Badlands Media - Taking It Back Ep. 124: Media Burnout, Immigration Pressures, and Fixing America’s Broken Representation

Episode Date: March 12, 2026

Zak Paine, Adel Nero, and Frankie Val reunite for another episode of Taking It Back, opening with a candid discussion about life in independent media and the challenges of adapting long form content to the short form driven internet landscape. Frankie reflects on twenty years in broadcasting and the daunting process of organizing decades of archived material while navigating modern platforms that prioritize clips, shorts, and algorithm driven discovery. The conversation explores how independent creators are adjusting to evolving media ecosystems while maintaining meaningful long form discussion. From there, the hosts shift into a broader critique of the current political and cultural climate. They discuss the rising tension around immigration and demographic change in Western countries, touching on concerns about cultural assimilation, the pressures created by large scale migration, and how political systems incentivize the creation of dependent populations. Zak outlines his view that political elites benefit from maintaining a permanent underclass while consolidating power at the top. The episode closes with an in depth conversation about structural reforms that could restore accountability in American governance. The hosts examine ideas such as banning insider trading for members of Congress, eliminating lobbying influence, requiring public or military service for citizenship, and dramatically expanding the size of the House of Representatives according to the Constitution’s original apportionment clause. Throughout the discussion, they argue that decentralization and stronger local representation could break the cycle of elite political control and restore power to the American people.

of the badlands explain those badlands that's a hell of a name all right guys what's up happy thursday we got the whole crew today for taking it back zach frank how we doing but hello doing good how you guys doing excellent hanging in there man doing good doing good it's uh been another another interesting uh few weeks frank we haven't had you in a while what's new man anything you've been busy what's what's what's cooking you know you know it's it's it's as you guys know, it was, February 18th was my

officially the 20 year anniversary of my first broadcast. And since then, I have been, honestly, I'm just in the planning stages of how I can start metabolizing 20 years worth of material that I have on all my drives.

That are not necessarily quite frankly, but our other things, you know, shows that predated quite frankly and turned into it and all that stuff. So I have been, I mean, and it's all part of this major social media, you know, retooling and recalibration, just re, just learning how the internet is working these days so that I can get some kind of a leg up and, and at least reconnect with all of the subscribers that I have, forget about even introducing the show to new people. I'm sure you guys think about it all the time. So there is a few.

So on top of the challenges, everybody just shares if you are in the media space, I've been trying to think about how I can, as one person, create an organized effort for me to start slowly combing through 20 years worth of work in order to find greatest moments or entire episodes that would be clean enough to put out there. ruin my life. And, you know, so it's things like one way or another. It's going to be a year's

long project. But laying the groundwork for it has been pretty cumbersome so far. And I appreciate you guys, you know, giving me some leeway. Yeah, man, of course. Zach, you've been at this a little longer than me, I think, or about around the same amount of time. Do you see yourself go in 20 years? Like that seems wild to me. Easy. Yeah, yeah, definitely. But like, you know, if I took as much time off as Frank, I'd be making shorts and stuff like that, but no, that would be the direction that I would take it because that seems like where everything is, right? I mean, like, how you get in front of new audiences or how you get people to, like, even show you in their feeds is, uh, is by putting out shorts. And then YouTube is pushing

shorts. Uh, all rumble is now pushing shorts. Obviously, there's TikTok, Instagram. All of those platforms where I'm basically not on. They want shorts. And, uh, but it takes time, right? I mean, like, you guys know we're doing long form shows here, right? So in order to have somebody to do that kind of stuff, it's like you need someone, but that's really difficult if you're not like, you know, bringing in a ton of income if you're basically subsisting. And so, you know, I, 20 years, I don't know how much more evolution my show could go through. But, I mean, I suppose that there's always the possibility.

Well, I would say you're much more than a news guy. You're a curious mind. Yes. You have a good command of the language and you have a core audience. And if you have, the core audience is really the one thing that if you can establish that, you're, you're going to be able to have options going forward. And what I would say is this. As far as the, the shorts go, I write for a two-hour show every night as you guys have long form as well. I don't make any of my my clips.

I had to make sure I could bring on at least one or two strategic sponsors so that I can subsidize a video editing team that finds clips on my behalf, posted on my behalf. I don't do any of that shit because at the same time you need to. So I actually have, I have a person who does the shorts. I have a person who is now, I have, you know, kind of recalibrated their role to pick up on 12 to 15 minute long, medium length shorts. And that'll be on another. I started a whole clips channel on YouTube, things like that.

So you have to bring on staff. And it's not as expensive as you think. So if you need some prospects, you let me know. I have people you can talk to. I would really appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, because I've got, I have no idea where to go. I get like solicitations all the time in my emails, but. From AI.

Well, I don't know who, yeah, from AI or from people who, you know, I'll look at the domain name of the email, and it's obvious that they're not really affiliated with the company that they say they're affiliated with. So I just assume that they're scams, and I basically just don't answer them. I have human resources for you both if you guys want to get on a meaningful clipping game. Even if it's just three shorts a week, you don't have to think about it. You put them as editors of one channel or another, and you set it and forget it. It's done. And they're fantastic people.

That's exactly what I would like to do. Yeah, we'll have to talk about that because that could really be helpful. Speaking of which, I was on Rumble the other day, and I saw, I saw shorts from the show, like, me talking on Badly. It took me by surprise. I saw it. I was like, whoa, whoa, I didn't do that. That's kind of cool. Yeah, Badly, actually, Rumble is like, Rumble shorts is like, at this point, you know, I don't know what all the views come, where the views come from and whatever.

But as far as the views of the, they display for you, it's like shooting fish in a barrel right now. They really want the short section of Rumble to do well. And there's obviously a lot of, a lot of eyes on it. And I don't know, I don't know how much subscribership I can, I could, I could attest to it or I could attach to the shorts. But whatever I put up on Instagram and YouTube and Twitter and everywhere else now, I just reflexively put up over there. And for the hell of it, I just put it up on BitShute, too. You remember BitShoot? Yeah, I do.

Yeah, I still upload my videos to BitShoot, but, I mean, anybody who used to watch on BitShoot seems like they've come over to Rumble. Yeah. Have you noticed an uptick since the, you've been uploading the shorts to Rumble, Frank? Like, have you noticed any uptick in subscribers? Yeah, like followers. Well, I see the views, you know, but granted, it's bad lands that are posting mine. I don't see that make its way over to my channel very much, but I'd be curious to know if that kind of... I feel like, let me see here, I feel like I've gotten, I've picked, because I've been pretty consistent with it for the last week or two.

And I feel like there's been about 125 more people. I'm usually with Rumble. I don't know about you guys. Zach probably has way more growth than me. I only have 40,000 subscribers compared to some of our heavy hitter friends on Rumble. But I usually pick up a couple of dozen of people a day just along the way. But I feel like it's definitely helped. It has helped a bit.

So there is that. And yeah, I don't know. Just little things. You got to stay on top of. And it's been fun. It's actually been liberating because I think the news lately has, has also given, it's almost been like a blanket of a nice embrace from the news. I've seen so many people completely check out and get vicious with each other.

Yeah. That I have been so much more, all right, listen, the world is the way it is. And I'm not a news guy. And they certainly don't need people. They don't need, the world doesn't need me to tell my tribe. every day what's happening all around them. Anybody can see. We just got to be able to have some fun here.

And I think that we have a really interesting, there's an interesting jump-off point right here. I don't know if you guys see it. There's just so much, there's so many people who are thrown themselves into the mouth of a volcano right now. And just, I think that they believe that the way to cut through the white noise and differentiate themselves from the 400,000 shows out there that are talking about the same headlines.

is to get over the top for one thing or against one thing. Abandoning nuance and going to war with whoever they want to kind of virtue signal from their particular camps. And it's so fucking cringe. And I hate it all. I agree. I definitely agree. See it a lot. I don't watch a lot of other people's content.

And to be honest with you, what I do watch really has nothing to do with anything that we do. I mean, Everything that I consume outside of my own work is like a palate cleanser for all of that stuff, you know, because I'm like constantly reading or researching and, you know, looking for things and, you know, formulating my own opinions and really doing what I can to ensure that whatever takes I do have are not just going to be recycled from somebody else. And I've always felt that way about it. I tuned into your show the other night, Frank, and I saw you hang up on a way. one. Oh, then you tuned it on Rood Tuesday.

Yes, yes. Okay, so I'm, it was great. This is what I'm talking about. This is what I'm talking about. So I market tested this idea. I woke up out of a dead sleep about maybe four or five months ago. And I had this idea in my head.

It was called Rude Tuesday. I said, I just started writing it down. You give people a 10 second timer. They got to say something interesting or a complete statement before 10 seconds. They can't get it out. They're fucking gone. And I have to, and by rule, I have to say something disparaging.

No. So, so, but, but of course, if you say something interesting, like, I have a theory about South Pole Nazis. Right. Doing so and so, blah, blah, blah. And I can go, all right, go on. I want to hear more. And then we can, we'll go back to 10 seconds. But people are, like, in mid-scent, it's actually cathartic to say, boom, click.

And it's just, you're gone. It was pretty great. I mean, it looked like you were getting some enjoyment out of it. I was. It's kind of brilliant, too, because you scratch that itch of, like, you just mentioned, like, that confrontational nature that people are trying to, like, set themselves apart with it. I'm just kind of, like, scratches that itch a little bit, but, like, all in good fun and, like, a themed way that kind of people know what to expect and, and hopefully not take it personal.

So it's, it's kind of, that's kind of neat. I'll have to start. Yeah, I'll tune into a rude Tuesday. When did you start doing that? Actually, when Zach tuned in, and that was the first time I did it since the night that I tested it out. Because I had to find just like a 10 second timer that goes up on the screen. As soon as the caller starts talking, they have 10 seconds to get to a punchline. So a lot of people just called in with dad jokes that they can tell it in 10 seconds.

And that was pretty funny. but there were others that I had an Elvis impersonator guy, a guy who spent a lot of time as an Elvis impersonator call in Aaron. Aaron Moriarty. Yeah, Aaron Moriarty. Yeah. Aaron called in because

I told a story about my buddies who what was it? That I had a friend who we found out that a friend of mine had bought a pair of leather pants. And because and he had bought a pair of leather pants

specifically to be able to wear to Creed concerts. He loved going to Creed. I guess he liked the way that leather pants looked on Scott Stap. And this particular friend would never invite us to Creed concerts, even though we wouldn't mind going, but he would always go with our buddy K.J. So we're like, okay, well, Vinnie and K.J. going to Creed again. And then K.J. narked on him one day and said, yo, I got to say,

this last time we went, we went to a Hammerstein ballroom or something like that. he said this last time we went he showed up in these these leather pants and i don't i don't know man i don't what the hell you was thinking so but the aaron called in because he had a story about being like the top impersonator of elvis presley in minneapolis minnesota in the 90s he said that he if you were in minneapolis he night if you went to any place with an elvis impersonator that night 90% chance it was him he had the whole market cornered he did i've heard this story yeah The strangest monopoly ever. I know.

I know. Oh, that was the other thing he told me. He said that even though he had dominated 90% of the demand for Elvis impersonators in Minneapolis, Minnesota, the one time that Prince, the Prince, Purple Rain Prince, was looking, he was throwing a party, looking for an Elvis impersonator in Minneapolis. and Aaron was passed over because Prince specifically wanted a fat Elvis. Oh, no. I was going to ask, does Vinny have the body for the leather pants?

Or was that part of the problem? No. He wasn't. He was built a little bit like a broccoli. You know, he was a little pudgy up top and he had, you know, he had legs and no, yeah. I don't know. I don't know. There's not a lot of give in leather.

I think he only wore those pants once. Yeah, leather pants muffin top combo. Oh, horrible. It's an interesting. Just tuck in the shirt, hope nobody notices, leave it unbuttoned up top. Seriously, man. Leather pants to a creed concert. Well, you never know we're taking it back is going to go.

But, man. Well, they're back now. I mean, there's actually some really great 1990s revival tour. going on out there. Creed's one of them. They've been hitting the circuit for the last two years and apparently they sound fantastic. I haven't seen them, but I've gotten some friends of mine, give me some reviews

I trust. Okay. I'd go see Creed for sure. I would. Yeah. Everclear is coming to a bar in Pittsburgh here at the end of June, I think, or beginning of June. I want to go see Everclear. I love those, like, 90s alt-rock bands. Yeah. That's what I'm definitely looking forward to.

Well, I guess we should get into some stuff news related at some point here. I don't know. I got a bunch of things written down here. Well, Frank, since you're kind of close to the scene. You have these like terror attacks in New York, man. Has that gotten like anywhere near you? No. No, no.

The closest it's gotten to me is when I go to Playland and Rye over the, over the summer time. They have a very famous quad right down the middle. It's a wonderful ancient. It's almost 100 years old as this park. But there's so many Muslims around here now. And all of them, you know, wrapped up in their burkas and whatever,

their scarves and all that stuff. They like break. I can't tell you how many of them just set up shop in the middle of the quad where you can't be there. Like they're sitting and laying among the flowers. and they look at you like you're I just there's so many things around here that are just starting to be very weird

very weird how big of a problem is like this like muzzlification you know yeah I guess that's the right word Islamification yeah yeah I guess that's probably the better way of saying it like if like I mean obviously I come from a Middle Eastern background half my family

practices Islam but like I want them to practice it over there like that's great for you guys ever there, every here. We like, you know, we like our Western culture. It's a lot more, it's a lot more, you feel it a lot more in the, in the city, depending on where you're going.

But it's not at the point just yet where it's everywhere you turn. I mean, but aren't they doing the, the music? Hold on just a second. In certain parts, I've heard that, that they have, like, they're called to prayer at five o'clock in the morning and, and whatever. And there's definitely those time square demonstrations, which is a complete flex. Yeah.

There's no, even, I mean, I've read even from a, you know, a very Americanized pro-American, you know, Islam standpoint, like people in in America who are Islamic, who are not here for some sort of, you know, some sort of, you know, I don't know, mission to conquer the land or something like that. they put out they say very clearly that these kind of these public displays of massive praying in public areas is really just it's nothing that's prescribed by Islamic law or anything like that this is this is political militarism yeah in uh in in in a in a great sense yeah yeah it's terrifying to me because they're they're reproducing at a much greater rate than you know your your average american and it's going to cause major demographic issues, like when we talk about the way this country, the culture, is going to be in the future.

I mean, Zach, what do you think, man? Is this something that needs to be dealt with? Or can we deal with it? Do we have it within our legal framework to deal with it? I don't know. Yeah, I think it is something that should be dealt with. However, we do have freedom of religion here. But the problem is that under the guise of freedom of religion, they engage in repressive

tactics like what we were just discussing. I mean, I totally agree. It is just a flex. I mean, like they're just trying to impose themselves and to use that as an opportunity to say that if you have a problem with it, well, then, you know, you're anti-Islamic or something like that, or you're muslophobic, whatever they want to call it. And you just look at a place like the UK and what's happened over there. I mean, look at all of the mass Muslim migration that's happened throughout Europe. We're a hop-skipping a jump away from that. It's just, that we have like 10 other third world shitholes that are also sending their people here. I mean, we don't have the market on any one particular shithole country.

All of them have been loading up into the United States. And the Muslim infiltration from my perspective, I mean, this has been going on for a long time, but it is particularly disturbing to see it taking root in New York City. I mean, regardless of whatever you believe about 9-11, can you imagine, like, on September 13th of 2001, if they would have been playing the Muslim call to prayer throughout New York City or if they would have had, you know, Central Park with, you know, hundreds of men with their prayer blankets laid out and, you know, bowing and stuff. And people would have been losing their shit.

And I think that there is something to be said for a healthy amount of Islamophobia. I think that there is nothing wrong with that because you look at Muslim. nations and like there are there are secular Muslim nations and there are the you know hardline religious Muslim nations and the hardline religious ones are the ones that you know I I do not want to replicate here in the United States even Turkey which is pretty secular I mean it's still kind of oppressive and it's not something that I think is concurrent with what we believe here and certainly not our founding documents I mean if you were to go in a in front of a Muslim mosque.

And you were to get on your knees and pray, you know, thank you Jesus for saving me. And if you were to proclaim your faith, then you'd probably get your ass beat. You know, I mean, like they preach this sort of message of tolerance for them. And then they are totally intolerant of anything else. And they're perfectly fine telling people,

I mean, first of all, part of their religion is to lie. to people who are not Muslims. I mean, like, that's like totally cool. I mean, and, you know, let's be honest. I mean, Jews do it too. I mean, it's, there's, there's, there's certain Abrahamic religions where that's like baked into, into the theology.

And that isn't baked into the theology with Christianity. Not saying that everybody has to be a Christian, but I think that Christian is, Christianity is far more, far more, uh, far more, uh, capable of existing within structures that are not fully based upon those ethics. Well, you know, that's the whole thing. That is, that's where we get the structure for the United States, for the most part. We're talking about, we're talking about European democratic experimentation over hundreds of years that was stabilized and allowed to thrive through Christian moral codes is what led us to

the United States of America. And, you know, I know, I'm sure you haven't been watching it at all, but, and I would expect you to watch it, if you, if anybody was more than Zach would. But the World Baseball Classic is being played right now. It's this, Zach, if you don't know, about 20 years ago in 2006, they came up with this idea, hey, let's start a World Baseball Classic. It'll essentially be like what it was like when baseball was a summer Olympic sport. And, you know, there's America.

There's, you have the pools from all the international pools and everybody plays each other. And then you get to see who wins, you know, the American team versus Japan, Japan versus the Dominican Republic, whatever. And, you know, it was always just kind of like a glorified, glitzy exhibition game, no matter how many more people out there take it seriously than Americans do who don't. really need it because we're are the epicenter of the baseball world. It's actually a big part of our culture. This is the thing I don't get. And the reason why I bring this up is because this year, because everything is just so fucked, everything is just so fucked.

Like clockwork, the commentary, especially on Twitter, is all about just heaping, it's about heaping unbelievable amounts of praise. and tonguing the asses of Dominican and Puerto Rican teams and all that stuff because of the way they, they twerk around the bases and they're so fun to watch and they just, there's just no enthusiasm with America. There's no, oh, Americans don't even look like they want to be there. Oh, and loving, loving, and this is what it comes down to. If the Americans have a good moment and they cheer and they, then it's always about, oh, these are these are some fucking white-ass honkies that need to be that need to be humbled.

Yeah. If they don't cheer and if they just take care of business and they seem like, I don't know, they exist about 10 decibel levels lower than the average Dominican player who, you know, throws a Kintaniera every time they fart. Then it becomes one of those things where, huh, America's got no culture, they're dead inside, all that other stuff. It's like, you know, pick it one way or another. This is the whole thing that has been really drilled into people these days, that America has no culture.

There is nothing that is identifiably American, even though the irony of the thing is that you're all playing an American sport that actually was born just before the Civil War. That spread throughout the country during the Civil War has been there running parallel throughout every phase of our existence over here. It has been so culturally important, whether you watch it or not. Baseball is a huge part of our development as a nation and as a culture. That's number one. But of course, here are these people, their starting position is always America has no culture. They've got nothing because it's made of, and they don't always put it out there. But the messaging, the dog whistle messaging is it was white European colonizers who don't know how to build.

that they only know how to steal. And therefore, there's nothing to take from you guys. There's nothing here for you, so we're just going to take it. And because of the way that we have been completely destroyed in schools for generations, far more people than we probably like to admit

have actually accepted that line of thinking. That well, this, you know, we did really take it all, you know, think about the Indians and all that other shit. And every culture on earth has been subjugated or conquered at some point in history. And that goes for European cultures, you know, the Celtic tribes, Germanic tribes, you just go back and back and back. And you're never going to find, you cannot identify the original culture that first, for the very first time, came in and took over somebody else. I mean, we're just like the easiest to point out because we're the most successful in terms of.

of what you see on planet earth right now. So, you know, that argument is obviously fallacious. And the people who buy into it, they have sadly not had the opportunity or not or the interest or perhaps since they were born. They had it drilled into their heads that white people have no culture. And so they've never gone back and tried to, you know, identify with their own culture. Like, I mean, what countries do you come from? Obviously, we've spoken about this amongst all three of us.

many different occasions. But, you know, as a consequence of America being the melting pot, people kind of allowed that to go away. And then they had this sort of communist training throughout public school where they're told that America is a culturalist society because it's a melting pot. But it couldn't be further from the truth, obviously. Yeah. And if I can just throw one more thing in there, it is, oh, man, did I just lose it? I think I just lost it. I'm sorry. good. No, no, no, no. It was something that you had said that brought it. That got me thinking about it. The conquering? Yeah, yeah, that's it. Think about this. Think about how crazy it is, because of course, most people don't understand. You know, you have these little fat torta, you know, women down in Los Angeles who show up to ice raids and their, you know, their bellies are spilling over their pants. And they're all like, we, they're all like, we, they're, you know, these are the archons. country and they're taking it from us and you go do go and then you think you say to yourself

motherfully and they're like we're taking it back like you fucking do you really think that you and your jelly rolls are are con you you think that you you can crawl over the border with your flip flops on and conquer America bitch you were let in yeah yeah same thing over there in in in Europe. There is no Islamic force in the world that could invade the United States and Europe and not be completely like what are you

going to do? Get on your horses and your scimitars again. There is nothing like you are a weapon. You are being used by someone who thinks that your disruptive presence here is useful. You are not you that you don't have any power in this situation

and of course they're so fucking stupid they can't see that number one but two to think to be so disconnected from the nature and the history of america and what this actually is to think that you can show up here as part of a reconquista or an invading force to replace the the colonizers if you will and you it's so stupid to think that we win when we they win when we disappear when we disappear everything falls apart. Like the fact that they don't even understand that if they really wanted to come over here and live lavishly,

they should come over here and make sure that, you know, white European Americans actually, you know, breed a little bit more. Find a way to keep us alive and enslave us because we're the only ones that are, I mean, that's what all of this was built on. That's where all this wealth was created

so that now it could be squandered and given away to everybody to kind of like barter. to make this invasion happen. It's so crazy that people can't see the writing on the wall, but I guess while the checks are still being sent out, they feel like there is an upside that is exclusively theirs. And I guess from that standpoint, I can understand why they keep taking it,

but it's mind-boggling. It's mind-boggling. It's also incredibly ignorant, because the people who are saying that, I would hazard a guess and say that they're not entirely indigenous peoples from central Mexico, from Mexico or from Central or South America, they are probably originating, at least in part, from the Spanish conquistadors that originally ruled the land that is now Mexico and that was at one time part of Mexico, now the United States.

And when they took their freedom and sovereignty back from the Spaniards, they sold us all of that land that's California and, you know, out there in the Southwest, because they basically needed to be able to survive and they knew that they couldn't control all of that land. So they were compensated for all of that land. None of that land was stolen. All right, it was a deal. It was two different deals. It was the Guadalupe Hidalgo and the Gadsden purchase, okay? Two separate deals and they made tons of money, many, many, many, many millions of dollars. And they used that money to build up their own infrastructure in the land south of the border. And they've been relatively successful but for them to come up here and act like they're not part of an invading

force as well it's incredibly ignorant yeah the funny the funny part is is and frank you kind of alluded to it but what i heard you say is basically they don't realize that the reason they're being brought in is because the the the forces that wish to kind of enslave or or subjugate see them as an easier target than you know your your your typical white european americans Like we are, Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They're useful?

Yeah, this is our land. No, you're just, they look at you as easier to manipulate. Like, you're, you're, you're going to put up less resistance than, you know, the, the American people as it stands right now. So we need to replace them with you so we can complete our plans of complete and total domination of humanity. Yeah. The white European American is the strongest force of resistance.

Really, the thing holding back. a new world order, one world government is that particular demographic. The white Christian male is honestly the strongest line of defense. The one demographic that looks at individual liberty and sovereignty and is skeptical of centralized power structures more than anybody else. So they look at, yeah, they don't even see the bigger pictures. No, they don't. They don't. And that's not to say that that Hispanic men can't and aren't totally based at times because we have that shared Christian background most of the time.

Yes. The only thing is that Central and South Americans over the course of many generations have also been groomed into dependence on left-wing government. Yep, right. And that the prioritization of family and faith and service to God above government has been displaced. Like it happens anywhere that that kind of a balance has been struck. So that's why I always say, yeah, we have been attacked in a very big way. and our national identity has changed significantly over the last however many decades because of that dinner bell being rung and the southern border being open. But if we're going to compare our plight to the plight of the eastern hemisphere and what they're taking in by the tens of millions from North Africa and the Middle East,

we have a lot more of a foundation to work on with all the Catholics, mostly Catholics, that are coming up from, you know, Guatemala. Then we have people coming in from Syria and Morocco and all that stuff. So there is that. And no, what, go ahead. I'll just say what's ultra frustrating about it is it's our tax dollars that go to these countries that allow them to have these. left-wing governments with all these social programs and allow the people to be dependent it's our tax dollars an aid that makes that even viable to begin with you know when you look at places like Venezuela or Cuba that have gone like full-out communist and collapsed like

they come here they're they become conservative pretty quick because they don't want to replicate what happened over there but we we hold these countries up allow them allow those politics to see somewhat reasonable and they come here and they don't they don't see like the really what would happen if they didn't have the United States working class subsidizing their country back home. I feel like there's like a major scam there. So I didn't mean to cut in on you there. No,

no, and Zach, you, coming on this here too, the bigger thing to consider there, when you're making projections as to, you know, where this is all going, you think about the people who are being brought in here. Are they being brought in here to be?

independent and self-serving and and not needing any assistance and therefore not needing somebody to feed them so that there is no real reason to have to continue to vote to be fed you know no we have we have people who are being brought in because it is obvious that there is the construction going on of a permanent dependent underclass of people that are hopefully going to not want to bite the hand that feeds them. Well, if you continue on that trajectory, who's going to be the one that does the feeding? Like, you know, you can't bring people in who yearn for independence

because naturally, in short order, they are going to be repulsed by Democrats, and in many respects, repulsed by your average GOP nut job. So it's just like when you think about that, how much more can you even go with bringing in all of the people who need you to get them everything from, you know, baby diapers to EBT cards because at one point,

they're not going to need, they're not going to need the consent of the voter anymore. And then what? Then what? Then they're going to find a way to reduce the population across the board. Yes, yes, exactly. I mean, the plan from my perspective for years, I have said that, you know,

their goal was to create a permanent third world mulatto class. of Americans. They want to bring in all of these different people from different places around the world who are used to living at a lower level of subsistence. Those people come in. They are provided for. They lower the average wage. They put Americans out of work. They push us into the welfare state, reducing opportunity, you know, soaking up the housing market. And through the creation of that permanent underclass, then they solidify their own permanent elite class, which is essentially American politicians and executives, you know, I mean, like, whomever they are. But these people, they, you know, they're very loyal within their own social groups.

They're very loyal within their own bloodlines. And they look at pretty much all of us in the same way that they look at all of these third world individuals that they're importing. And that was, that was on a good trajectory for them. for quite a while. And I think that the spell has been broken on that. And in order to reverse that, we're doing a number of those things right now. I think that we need, I understand that there are logistical considerations to deporting people on a mass scale. All right. And of course, you have to, you have to round these people up. But we've got problems in the court. I think that number of

those have just recently been adjudicated. Temporary protected status is going to be ending for a number of different groups that were basically given carte blanche to come here and stay for as long as they wanted. They won't be sucking off the teat of the welfare system any longer. They are working on ensuring that people who come to this country, if they come, then they've got to be self-sufficient. We don't need to import people who are not going to be adding to society or not going to be creating opportunities for Americans or, you know, otherwise, anybody else who's here. And we also need to have a pretty massive awakening among the general population so that they can see what we've been talking about.

You know, it wasn't that long ago, guys. Think about this. I mean, think how many changes the United States has gone through since President Trump came onto the scene in 2015. I mean, really came onto the scene in 2015. Before that, you know, I mean, he was, people kind of looked at him with, you know, a bit of a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, poisoned eye. I mean, they didn't really know whether or not they were going to be able to trust him. Of course, he was kind of developing this persona politically that he was going to use on the stage. When he campaigned in 2015, it was like he said everything that the Republicans didn't have the

balls to say. And the farthest right that you could get in the Republican Party was like Ted Cruz. All right. I mean, like, he started out as a Tea Party Republican, but he got soft real quick. And Donald Trump, for me, created this fairly stark distinction between not just Republicans and Democrats, but a distinction within the party of, you know, people who actually care about the same things we do. And then the people who just pay lip service and are going to be very comfortable as that permanent upper class, which most of the politicians are. And, and look at the the the amount of awakening that we've had since President Trump came onto the scene. Look at the changes that he was able to implement initially in his first term.

And then the effect that that left upon America when Joe Biden swept in for four years, it was obvious to everybody what he was doing, the way that he was trying to sort of backslide America and write the wrongs, so to speak, that the deep state thought President Trump had committed against them. And then now that President Trump is back, the movement that we've had forward has, it's significant. And it's unlike any administration that we've had at any point in the past. And I know that a lot of people are dissatisfied with the amount of things that have happened because they just want everything to be fixed right now. But, you know, I mean, this country was effed.

Okay. Like, we were screwed. And the, and the trajectory that we were on was toward. this sort of third world hellscape that we're talking about here. And to have that reversed and to have it, you know, move back towards where I think most of us believe that we need to be, I feel like that has been so significant. And it's also more than that empowered a new generation of political and political voices and leaders.

People that I hope are not just going to seize the opportunity to gain political power so that they can become the next Ted Cruz or the next Lindsey Graham or something like that, but so that they can be the next Donald Trump. We need people who are hardline. We need people to be very, very, very far to the right, okay? Like you cannot be moving towards the left. If you are moving towards the left, then you are essentially abdicating your position to communism. And that's not what I want for this country.

And I don't think that's what anybody wants. I think there's two major things that, and I don't know how to, I don't know how to fix these with, you know, the people that are currently in charge and the way our system currently is. I don't know how you roll these things back. Because essentially you would need the people who benefit from the problems to vote against allowing the problems to continue happening. So one is how do you make it really not financially beneficial to run for office? Like how do you, how do you ensure that it's not, again, just like a way to pad your pockets and whatnot. You know, how do you attach the success of the people that you represent to your own personal success rather than, you know, make them adverse to each other? Because right now, like these people, they get, you know, take, they get the lobbyist treatment. They insider information. They make millions and millions of dollars.

They don't even really care about their constituents. someone don't even live. You look at something like Maxine Waters, a total poverty pimp. She lives in like a Bel Air mansion while she's representing like Compton and Englewood or whatever. Like how do you

kind of make it so that like serving your country as a representative actually feels like service, something you do because you feel like it's necessary not something you do for personal gain. And the other one is how do you get people to who, benefit from the social services and the hammock of, you know, welfare living to vote against

the goodies that they're getting for free. Like, like to me, I want to see only, the only people that should vote in my opinion are those that are a net positive when it comes to what they contribute to society. If you don't have a job and you just, you know, stack an EBT credit line, you know, or balance to the sky and you literally are just surviving off the teat of everybody else like you should have no say in how things are run. Um, either there, there should be some level of, of service or contribution to earn the privilege to the, it shouldn't be a right. It should be a privilege that is earned with some kind of value add to what you're, what,

what you're voting on because people that are getting the free things and benefiting from off the work of others are never going to vote that stuff away. Like it's just going to, it's, it's, it's a fundamental issue. So those are the two things that I've got a laundry list. Yeah. But that's, yeah, go ahead. All right. So, first of all, get rid of Citizens United.

Second of all, a moratorium on movement from public life into private business that has anything to do with what you were dealing with in Washington, D.C. Get rid of lobbyists and lobbying money entirely. Also, I've said this before, but I think we need more representatives. And I think, you know, because it needs to be based upon the original. framework of the of the constitution. Thank you. I was waiting for my turn to talk about this one. Yeah. This has been one of my big points for a long time, Frank. So I won't spend too much time on it. But when you have that, and then you would give, then you force those people to live in the district that they represent.

So they don't live and work in Washington, D.C. That's also another incentive for them to not sell their souls, because now they don't have to pay for a mortgage back home and pay for an apartment in Washington, D.C. also because they're living in their district they're going to be surrounded 24-7 by the people that they represent and they're going to have a stake in their community you also obviously you mentioned the insider trading moratorium entirely not only for representatives and senators but also their family members their direct family members and anybody perhaps who might be in charge of like a trust or any accounts you cannot trade in any respect while you are serving in the House or the Senate. And I don't think that federal officials in, you know, there are plenty of different agencies that have access to information that I'm certain people are out there playing the market based upon that. And they're not getting, you know, caught. They're making a ton of money. So that would be another one. And then I also, frankly, if anybody here has ever read Starship Troopers, Robert Heinle,

you didn't become a citizen until you served. And I think that there should be mandatory, either military service or mandatory public service. So say, after people get out of high school, they've got to do a tour. It doesn't mean that you go to war, but you've got to join the military, a branch of the military. I think that it builds discipline. I think that it also is going to give you a structured environment to have a sense of patriotism about what this country is. I mean, it would be a foundational opportunity to teach people, the things that perhaps they missed when they were going to school. And let's say somebody doesn't want to go to the military.

You know, we could have public service organizations run by the government that puts people into, say, disadvantaged areas and then gives them a task such as, you know, cleaning up a city or, you know, taking care of the things that perhaps a city is, is unable to. even if it's just like civilian conservation court type crap, you know, like potholes in the road, fixing those, fixing curbs, making sure the sidewalks are beautiful, making sure there's no trash on the streets, there's no graffiti on the walls. And I think that all of those things right there would go together pretty well. Yeah. The first thing that I thought of was the apportionment clause. if you think about, it's just this one thing alone. You have 435 people

who call themselves United States representatives to the House in D.C. 435 people. And of course the Constitution has not been in any way, shape, or form amended and nothing repealed on this. So the standing prescription for how we should be

making up our Congress in the house is to make sure that there is no less or no more, I should say, than one representative for every 30,000 American citizens. Okay, one representative for 30,000 American citizens. If we are anywhere close to 331 million people actually being Americans, If that is true, let's just take that number, then we are looking at probably a smidge in over 11,000 representatives to the House. Wow. Okay. And that is what is constitutionally mandated, not a suggestion.

Our House of Representatives should have, we should have enough people in it to sell out over half of Madison Square Garden. Okay. So, yeah, perhaps they wouldn't be able to meet in that really fancy. marble building in the capital. They can do. But no, you can do a whole bunch of other stuff. We could start talking about regional, regional delegations.

We can start talking about actually using things like, you know, the, the blockchain for people to be able to vote for wherever the hell they are. But just think about that right there. Think about the premium that is set right now for somebody who wants to go to Washington, D.C., and lobby.

You think about the, the billions, hundreds of billions of dollars that could be so effectively spread amongst a mere 400 people. And then think about how those, the incredible influence or the log jamming that those 435 people can can be as far as promoting or denigrating what is an objective good for 333 million people. they disappear in they become a drop in the ocean compared to what we should actually have I mean you think about an oil company out there trying to grease the palms of 11,000 people now yeah good luck come on I mean I'm telling you and this is not something they're like well we got

to figure out how to do it it's prescribed by law it has not been repealed but nobody listens Well, then, of course, the party would not be able to support all of those candidates, which is also a great thing. It means that people would have to run on their own merits, and they would have to get out there and they would have to meet the people that they're asking to vote for them. There's a crazy fucking idea right there. Yeah, they're not just going to be able to rely upon some, you know, massive influx of cash. Yeah, that to me is like that concept in general of, I know it's a Senate, which is a different animal, but the Republican Party used. using $100 million of funds to protect an incumbent in a primary that nobody likes. Like just when you really think about what that is, it's disgusting.

Zach, I know you've got to go. So I'll stop talking. Good, man. All good. Listen, I love you guys. Great conversation today. Really appreciate you. And Frank, definitely reach out, buddy.

Okay. Okay. You got it. Okay. See you guys. All right. Very good. Yeah.

But that's the other thing I would say there, Adel, is not only look into the, what the prescribed the portionment clause is really what that that means for the power that these 435 actors and actresses really have or should have

they should be completely destroyed they'd get swallowed up they'd be nobody there would be no celebrities there would be no celebrity house I mean first of all thinking about all the different types of caucuses yeah For 11,000 people, you think that they're all going to be either Republicans or Democrats?

Just think about the alliances, the caucuses. It would be incredible the kind of representation they would be in there because everything would be so hyper-local. And then the other thing, go ahead. I would say you got to use that and also have those be the people that elect the Senate. Get rid of this popular vote bullshit for the Senate and allow those representatives to do it because then I just feel like you have a way better chance of actually getting senators that match the actual. You have to go back. You have to go back.

The 17th Amendment needs to be repealed. Yeah. And the selection of senators need to be, they need to be done by the state legislatures again. Yeah. So I kind of conflated the state in the House of Rep. So that's my fault. But no, but your point about apportionment is spot on. I mean, the accountability.

the representatives would have to their actual people would i mean it would it would be a whole different dynamic uh a whole different dynamic and you're the the motivation to get into that position to like launch a career into higher office or whatever would be way down because you'd be such a small fish and a huge ocean of people like it's i feel like in a room of 435 like if you're noisy enough you can kind of like you said make a celebrity out of your yourself whereas if you're one of 11,000 good fucking luck like you're you're a minnow yeah yeah and that's the whole point I saw somebody in the chat room said hey we can't do anything get anything done now I can't imagine adding another 10,000 people to the mix nothing would get done that's the

whole point that's the whole entire fucking point nothing is supposed to get done too much has been done yeah well well first of all if suddenly we find the political will to honor that that that that little that clause that our our framers put in for us then we have we would have already done major things to course correct over here including making sure that 98% of the functions of the federal government as it is today which are illegal including your retirement including your medicare all illegal they're all illegal you can't keep some of it around because it suits you and wanted to correct all the rest. It all has to go.

You look at the enumerated powers for our federal government. It is jack shit. It's practically nothing. That's why the government could be floated on tariffs. Okay? So if that is the case, then the whole point of the House of Representatives and the Senate is to be able to keep us in a stalemate so that the wheels of, progress on a federal level are extremely slow to non-existent because where the progress

should be getting made is in your state governments. Everything that you can't do at the federal level, you can do and then some on the state level. And that is where the rubber meets the road. That's where the will of people is getting done because there's going to be localities of people doing exactly what they know is good for them with budgets that they know that they can maintain, that's it. This is the American constitutional tradition.

If you don't understand that, you're going to continue to advocate for things that are never actually going to make a change. That's such a good point. And also, when you have a more decentralized and more locally oriented representation in the federal government, you're let like when you have an 85 15 issue let's just say like the save act you're it's not going to have nearly as much trouble getting through because you're not going to be able to manipulate the 435 people or even like the senators like everyone's more accountable to the local level it's it's going to trickle upward so

when you have something that the people actually want it's way more likely to get done as opposed to the way it is right now where you have an 80 plus percent or 80 plus issue and you can't even get them to defend their opposition to it on the floor of the Senate. Right. It's such a disgusting state of affairs. You know, you have leadership in the Republican Party holding, you know, the president hostage for a bill that everybody wants over protecting an incumbent that nobody wants. They already spent $100 million defending against the president. their own party, a primary challenger from their own party that is more in line with the popular president that was elected.

Like, it's just the adversary or the confrontational nature of the people that supposedly represent us and the actual will of the people has never been more clearly on display as it is right now. And I just... Great point. You know, it's a fantastic point, especially when you, when you harped on the widespread 80% plus approval of the SAVE Act that is that's bipartisan approval that even even the the the the liberal news networks couldn't uh couldn't uh sidestep you know so this is so when you think about that when there is a popular will that very rarely crosses so-called party lines

and then you have 435 stick in the mug retards that just can't get their shit together that's a manual override. That's a manual override, okay, of people whose interests do not converge with those they represent. They rule. There's no representation. We're being ruled, Frank. Yes.

Absolutely. Their interests do not converge with ours. If they see that kind of approval ratings that crosses party lines, but they still drag their feet and they find a way to make it not. happen and there are those who will viciously oppose it and then there are those who are just like very suspiciously limp-risted in their they're fighting those who oppose like you know there are people who oppose it and then there are others who just like give up which are Republicans though that's the Republican role in this but anyway I got to go I love you sir I'll talk to you soon and if there's

anything else you need for me you let me know Frank you're the man I appreciate it buddy Do you want to tell whatever you're doing on your show night before you bounce out? Well, tonight is a badlands night. At 7 o'clock, I'll be live here on Rumble, also on Pilled, on YouTube, and God knows where else. And it's going to be a little bit of a weird kind of a night. We're just going, there's a rash of Bigfoot sightings in Ohio we got to talk about. We got to talk about a few other things, moon landing deathbed confessions. I want to know if people out there have ever been present for a death.

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