Badlands Media - The Book of Trump - Chapter 48: Mel Gibson

Episode Date: March 24, 2026

Ghost is joined by Zak Paine to dig into the cultural and media firestorm surrounding Mel Gibson, focusing on how his career, controversies, and public image intersect with broader narratives about Hollywood, power, and redemption. The conversation walks through Gibson’s rise, the backlash that followed his personal scandals, and the way media coverage shaped public perception over time. Ghost and Zak examine whether Gibson’s treatment reflects a larger pattern within the entertainment industry, where certain voices are elevated or sidelined depending on alignment with prevailing narratives. Throughout the episode, they explore themes of cancellation, forgiveness, faith, and the tension between personal failure and professional legacy, framing Gibson’s story as a case study in how cultural figures are built up, torn down, and sometimes re-emerge.

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What is happening here? There we go. There we go. Good evening, everybody. Welcome to the book of Trump. I am your host, Gordon McCormick, the ghost of base Patrick Henry. This is Badlands Media.

This is Chapter 48, Mel Gibson. And I have a special treat for y'all because we are joined this time by our good friend, Zach Payne, Red Pill 78. Zach, how are you this evening? I'm doing well, Gordon. Thank you very much for having me. Always a pleasure to join you. And I say evening, but it's Saturday afternoon.

we're recording yeah hence the light coming through the window yeah yeah i'm just trying to set the mood though set the mood obviously zach has his show at five o'clock on basis conspiracies so it's a lot to i certainly understand that so appreciate you making the time to pre-record this um absolutely but what a like what what what timing for this because i feel i think we scheduled this over a month ago and we were talking and i was talking about doing this even before then and i gave you a few different subjects to choose from. I mentioned this at the end of the show last week, and you chose Mel Gibson, just because I think you said you had done the other ones several times, so it would be interesting to be Mel Gibson. And just given, like, the really big focus of it's been involved in and where

the current zeitgeist is in the Overton window with politics right now, it's just a very timely episode, far more timely than I would have ever expected to be. Yeah, you can say that again. Yeah, it certainly is interesting. You know, I mean, Mel Gibson has had his fair share of controversies. And over the years, it's seemed to focus overwhelmingly, or at least the attention has been overwhelmingly focused on his opinions on Israel and Judaism. And, you know, I am not a person who ever in a blanket sense, like judges anybody. I take every single individual on a case-by-case basis. But there are patterns, obviously, right?

I mean, it's undeniable. And the question always is, you know, is it the people or is it the government? You've got a lot of people who look at the United States of America and they'll say, Americans are fat, Americans are lazy, Americans are loud, Americans are rude. but a lot of that, I would imagine, is probably coming as a result of what the government of the United States has done throughout the world over the years, or probably more specifically what the intelligence community has done in foreign nations around the world. And so, you know, I understand when other people will have opinions about the United States of America. And likewise, people have opinions about other people's around the world.

world and other governments around the world and certainly right now as a result of what's happening in the middle east a lot of people are voicing their opinions about what's going on in israel and you know not only what's happening in israel but you know in a general sense what's happening with with with with muslims and with in islam around the world i mean it's it's unavoidable when you go out there on the internet right now it's basically uh all consuming yeah i was uh we just we recorded the Badlands Blitz Friday morning with Burning Bright. And then since then, I was sharing this morning in the Badlands Private Chat text messages I'd received from my Normie cousin who watches Fox News. And she's, that was pretty great. Yeah, pretty great. Like,

the conclusion she had reached on her own about a lot of this stuff. And it seems like, all right, well, the joking resignation seemed to be effective in shifting the Overton window. But as I said on that show, you know, I had just seen, like right before we recorded that Friday morning a clip on X of i guess it was lindsay graham on bill o'Reilly's podcast they were arguing on whether or not the relationship between the u.s and israel was actually a good thing and i never in my life thought i would ever see those two people bill o'reilly and lindsayam arguing about that me either that was a bit of a shocker that's like that's how far things have come and i think that's a that's a good sign that we're having that these conversations are being normalized to the extent that

those two television absolutely you know i mean it's always it obviously there's been a sort of well spoken and unspoken rule that you are not allowed to question that relationship you're not allowed to question anything related to it and and if you do then automatically you're branded as an anti-Semite or you know some type of a racist or something like that and I was actually this is totally unrelated in most sense in terms of political. Do you know who Aidan Ross is? Aidan Ross,

he's like, he's the degenerate live streamer who started kick. Okay. All right. And I don't know anything about Aiden Ross, but he's had like a series of events with like, you know, fights between different streamers and stuff.

And he had, he had planned an event with this black guy who was, you know, his own event coordinator. and Aiden brought a fighter, this guy brought a fighter, they had the event, and then Aiden didn't pay him. And so the guy was texting him and he was like, you know, listen, I just want you to honor your contract. I just want you to pay me. And Aiden was like, oh, come on, man, we should just kiss and make up. You're so cute.

And he was like, you know, I'm straight. What are you talking about? He was like, that has nothing to do with you and I signing a contract. And he was like, come on, man, I'm gay and I'm Jewish. what are you a homophobe like because because you don't want to make out with me because you don't want to sleep with me and and it reminded me of the conversation that we are oftentimes told we're not allowed to have because this is this is something I've experienced in my life as well and it's it's pretty annoying when someone will use their immutable status against

you as an argument for something that has nothing to do with the conversation that you're trying to have. Like, oh, you don't want to allow me to gaslight you. So I'm just going to gaslight you harder. Yeah, I ripped you off for $20,000. And you're saying that you want me to make good on that. Well, that it must be because I'm gay and I'm a Jew. And the truth of the matter is that it has nothing to do with either of those things.

And this guy kept his composure. And Aidan just kept pushing. It was like, wow, a racist homophobic. I can't believe it. And he was like, no, no, no, you're a crook. Like, you haven't paid me. And that's the only thing that I care about. So when we're having conversations about the morality of large-scale war or indiscriminate killing,

that has nothing to do necessarily with someone's religion or sexuality. But it would be as if we mentioned instead of saying, well, we don't want people to just, get bombed. We don't want people to be killed. There are ways to go about things that perhaps involve diplomacy. And we say, you know, Israel, you know, not a good thing. You know, probably just, you know, stop bombing people and let's just get to the table and have a conversation. But instead of saying, well, you don't want us to do this because we're Jewish, they'd say, well, you don't want us to do this because we're gay. You're a homophobe. Like, it doesn't matter which one it is, but each one is, silly. It's just as silly. And it's also worth pointing out that the groups that are like merging those two identities, like Israel and being Israeli, like Zionism and being Jewish are like the ADL and the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance. So it is like Southern Poverty Law Center. Yeah. So it is like those Jewish diaspora groups that are the ones that were saying, wait a minute, you can't you can't take those two things apart. They're inextricably linked.

Like the political national identity of Israel is the same thing as the spiritual religion of Judaism. So, you know, it's all narrative shielding, like contrive narrative shielding. And it has been since the beginning, Gordon. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Of course. Of course. Before we go there, well, before we get started, let's hit an ad and read real quick.

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That's badlandsmedia.tv slash van man. All right. And thank you to Van Man. So please go to badlandsmedia.tv slash Van Man to pick up your Van Man products today. Okay, so before we go to, you know, all the Israel stuff and get into the history of Mel Gibson's life, I just wanted to point this out. One of the first things I published working at Badlands three years ago was an article, The Patriot Chronicles, Francis Mary. And I do plan on picking this series back up. It's just the geopolitic stuff really took off.

That's been all my focus. This will be a fun thing to go back to and revisit as we build the Golden Age. so important to remember these stories. But I start this because this is the story of Francis Marion, the Swamp Fox from South Carolina, and how he single-handedly held the British Army back in the Southern Theater for months. And had he not done that by himself, totally cut off from the rest of the Continental Army. He was receiving a correspondence, but on a very big delay. And basically, everyone else had fled. Everyone else had pulled back and retreated after the British captured in Charleston. And this guy by himself with no resources, with no support, with no, with no

logistic line back to the army. Like, he wasn't receiving supplies or food or anything, by himself, just running an asymmetric guerrilla campaign held back the British Army long enough for George Washington and Nathaniel Green to rally and regroup and be able to fight the British in the north and then come down to Virginia to hold them off. And that's what led to the victory. Had that not happened, though, they would have rolled through North Carolina, Virginia, and the revolution would have been over. So one of the most important and undersung heroes of the revolution, Francis Marion, famously chronicled in the film The Patriot, portrayed by Mel Gibson. And as I explained in this opening, this opening prologue of this

article, because of outside forces, mostly British scholars, they had to revise the script and revise the film to remove the fact, like telling the audience that this was based on a true story. And I actually have the, here's the original script that was leaked in 1998, the Patriot, written by Robert Rodat. And so it fade in credits, you know, South Carolina scenery streams, the Santee River, that's where it takes place. It tells you South Carolina, April 1776. And then right here, superimposed on the screen, the following is based on a true story. That's the original script. Wow.

And so they removed that. That was forced to be removed. And the reason it was forced to be removed is primarily because of articles like this one, published in June 15, 2000, Mel Gibson's latest hero was a rapist who hunted Indians for fun. And so all these British academics came in and flooded the zone with all these fake articles, fake history about Francis Marion and how he, like, raped. raped Indians and did all this terrible stuff. And I went and looked at the actual source material when I was writing this article. And not only was that not true, but actually Francis Marion was the only militia leader in the

South. The South was a bloody, bloody theater. That was like brother versus brother where you had more people in South Carolina sign up to fight for the British Army than actually signed up to fight for the Continental Army, like the militias. And so it was really, really bad. Like you had a lot of quote unquote traitors, a lot of people who were fighting for the British in turning in their neighbors. And so you had churches that were burned. You had nothing like from the movie where they locked people in and burned the churches, but they did burn churches.

You did have women being raped by the British Army. Those officers were reprimandarups when they were caught. And the bad guy, but the bad guy in the film was based on a real person named Bonostra Tarleton, who was a ruthless, ruthless guy. just as ruthless as the guy portrayed in the film. And his Tet on Tet, you know, his Ted on Tet with Francis Marion and others, there were a few other characters that Mel Gibson's character was based on was all true. Like all that was like accurately portrayed the conflict between them. But not only was this, were these lies, but these other militia leaders that were fighting Benas for Charlton,

who eventually came to join the fight after Francis Marion was successful, they were ruthless. They were like, when we capture British, we cut their throats. We kill them because they're here to kill us. Francis Marion was the only one who was like, no, no, no. We capture them and then we show them that were better men, and we take care of them. And actually, there's a story of one of these guys being captured and being, and literally, he's like, they were serving me gross potatoes on bark plates while joking about it, like joking about

how, like, great their life is and how wonderful everything is, while they were living like absolute savages. He's like, but there are men braiding each other's hair and reading poetry and playing music while in the middle of this intense war. And that British officer, when he was released by Marion famously went retired. He resigned from the army. He said, these men can't be defeated. They can't be conquered because in their minds, they're all free.

And so that's a famous story. So the point is that this thing with the passion of the Christ, it wasn't the first time that Mel Gibson's movie was attacked. by people who didn't like the messaging, and the people who didn't like the messaging were the British, because the movie portrayed the British as kind of this ruthless empire that was going to, like if you step out of line,

here's how we're going to react. And it was all true, except for the church scene, that was a little bit of an embellishment. But all the other stuff was pretty accurate. And, you know, it just goes, I'm just trying to demonstrate that there's a precedent here that directly involves Mel Gibson. Oh, there definitely is.

You know, and Mel Gibson had a contentious relationship with Hollywood himself. You know, I mean, first of all, his upbringing was pretty interesting. I mean, he's American. I believe he has dual citizenship or perhaps he has given up his Australian citizenship. But his father was American, his mother was Australian. He was born here in the United States. And then they moved to Australia when he was 12.

And he knew he wanted to act like from a very young age. And so he studied while he was over there. And then he basically started acting at a young age and, you know, really made a name for himself with Mad Max and that's just an incredible film. I absolutely love that movie. But, from the very start, he had a reputation for as somebody who really didn't take any shit from anybody else. And he was always this sort of like brash and openly antagonistic force on sets. And so I think that because of that, people didn't like him. But they also didn't like the fact that he was a really good actor.

It was like not only was he not interested in doing what other people wanted him to do, but he was also getting all of these accolades from, um, uh, like from the critics and stuff. I mean, like, he, he's,

he's this actor who can kind of compromise between like, like, you know, like, ridiculous action movies, like the historical fiction and then also like art house type cinema. And there's not a lot of actors who can do that and do that successfully.

But, you know, he's had, like I said, a number of controversies. He was filming in Toronto, Canada in like 1983 or 1984. And he got drunk and he drove and he ended up rear-ending somebody. And they took his right to drive while he was in Canada. Didn't matter all that much. You know, I mean, he's filming a movie. He can just have somebody else drive him around. But the point is that at the same time that he was this brilliant actor and somebody who really like danced to the beat of his own drummer, he also seemed to have a lot of demons because I mean, you know, I mean, this, this accident, this drunk driving accident happened right after breakfast.

So he was drinking from a very young age. And I don't know if that was a consequence of growing up in Australia. They liked their beer in Australia. or if maybe it was a consequence of what happened in his home life. His father seems to be a fairly interesting character. Was that a picture of his dad that you showed? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And by the way, have you heard the story, like the story that he's told about how he got the Mad Max role?

No, tell me. Well, you know, so this is what I've read is that the narrative that he's put out there is that he was out drinking the night before and he got to do a bar fight and he got his ass kicked. And he was like all bloodied up and bruised. And he just went straight to the audition from there. And so he walked in and he was like all beat up and like bruised and beating. And he said that like that look when he walked in there and just acted like, you know, himself. That's what compelled them to cast him. He's like, all right, this guy is actually, this guy can pull it off.

So I can see that happening. That's what he says. That's the lore surrounding him. But yes, that was a picture of his father. And we should talk about his father for a minute. Yeah, definitely. So his dad has been written about in sort of the same way that Mel has. But, you know, his dad apparently was a rabid anti-Semite.

That's what they've written about him online. But really, he's a really traditional Roman Catholic. So is Mel Gibson. His faith is very important to him. I think anybody who knows that he made the passion of the Christ, and he's currently just finishing up the resurrection of the Christ, it's pretty obvious that his faith is something that has. informed his life. But there's a difference between like, you know, sort of like modern day

progressive Catholics and traditional ultra-Orthodox Catholicism. And his dad lived to be 101 years old. So he's a tough old bird just like Mel. And he was also, you know, because of the Orthodox Catholicism, that's like pre-Vatican 2. And apparently he was not too happy about the reference of the church that took place in the mid 20th century. So we're talking like Latin Mass, you know, adhering to, you know, every single step that you're supposed to do. And apparently, his father had actually attended seminary for a time. So I guess he was planning to become a priest at some point. But if you don't mind, indulge me for a second.

I'll just give his background real quick. So Hutton, Peter Gibson, born August 26th, 1918. He's considered an American writer, like a writer. That's the career label they give to him. And a set of van cantist, that's the term that is someone who is Catholic, but disagrees with like the fact that the Pope's the leader of the Christian world. He's a World War II veteran, so he fought in World War II. And then in 1968, he became a grand champion on Jeopardy and won a bunch of money.

Wow. And so he had 11 children, Mel Gibson, I believe, was like one of the middle children from six. He had a sixth kid. And so he took the money from his Jeopardy winnings and moved the family to Australia from New York. Okay. And so that's how the story goes.

And so he continued to be a writer in Australia. But he's an outspoken critic of the post-Vatican, the second Roman Catholic Church, and of those traditionalist Catholics like the Society of St. Pius the 10th, who reject set event cantism. In a 2003 interview, he questioned how the Nazis could have disposed of six million bodies during the Holocaust and claimed that the September 11th, 2001 attacks were perpetrated by remote control. That's interesting. That's based. I mean, that's like what Codex 9-11. explained, right? Yeah, yeah. He's also been quoted as saying the second Vatican Council was a

Masonic plot backed by the Jews. Now he's been, now he's been questioned about this, and he's clarified that his position on the Holocaust was that it didn't happen, but that it was grossly exaggerated. I think the famous quote is that he says is that, well, how, why is it that there were more Jews in the world based on census records after the war than before the war? And that's why they call him an anti-Semites because he says stuff like that. So anyway, he's published a bunch of books mostly about the Catholic Church, but those are some of the topics that come up. But you can understand how that would have influenced his son. And I think Mel Gibson has distanced himself from some of the comments of his dad, but he's also said his dad was a big influence on him and you see the pictures of them together, certainly when it comes to the passion.

Yeah. Yeah, I've never heard him specifically distance himself from his father. statements, but I've definitely seen him asked about his father in interviews. And because, I mean, obviously they want to, you know, your father's a famous Holocaust denialist. You know, what do you want to say about that? And he's like, I'm not going to talk about my dad, you know, like basically, don't go there. Don't go there. But I know that he had a newsletter as well that he published for like on an ongoing basis.

And his books were also self-published. So I don't know, like, how widely circulated they were or, you know, how many. people read them but i mean certainly the the influence of a man like that is definitely going to rub off on the children mel himself you know i mean big catholic families have even bigger catholic families so he was one of 11 mel has nine kids i've never really seen any of his kids um and uh and even though mel gibson has like skirted and courted all of this controversy over the years he's done an incredible job like with continuing to work and continue to work and continue to stay relevant, continuing to do just, you know, exactly what he wants to do.

His craft is trade and, and keeping his family. And to a large degree, his politics and his opinions out of the media has been incredible. You know, your average actor cannot wait to get in front of a camera and to just tell you what you should think and, you know, how their view is superior to yours. And when Mel, when I've heard Mel speak, you know, and he's done a number of interviews in the last couple of years, certainly more than I've seen him do over the years, generally tries to do just promotion on his films. But he has had a couple of really good ones over the years where he talks about, you know,

deeper things. And certainly his faith has been a big part of that. But I never, I could not find anything that he had said related to politics until probably 2021. Actually, no, 2016. In 2016, he was asked who he was going to vote for or what he thought about the 2016 presidential election. And he said, well, I can tell you one thing for certain. One of the two bad candidates will win. And I don't know at that point if both Hillary and Trump had been nominated for their respective roles or if this was earlier. But, you know, You know, that was the extent of it. But in 2021, you know, of course, after President Trump's first term, Mel Gibson was at a UFC event and President Trump walks in and everybody's gotten, you know, they stand up and they're like looking to shake his hand.

And Mel Gibson is the lone person in the arena who's standing there saluting the president. And he like stood at attention until President Trump came up to him. And then they shook hands and he smiled. And obviously, you know, since then, he's made a couple of other statements in, in 2024. I've actually got a clip of this where is this the TMZ clip? Do you have the clip of the salute? Because I was about to pull back. Yeah, go ahead.

There we go. Yep. And he was maligned for that. Yeah, they went after him hard for that. Because in 2021, obviously, during the Biden administration, anybody who supported president, and Trump, they were, you know, basically trying to crucify. But the thing is, they already crucified Mel Gibson. They had already done it numerous times. After his drunk driving incident in Toronto, he took like a year, a year and a half off and he went and bought a farm. And he basically withdrew

from the Hollywood scene. And he just tried his hand at farming. He tried to get sober. And then he came back. and there's a lot of actors. You take time off like that and you lose your relevancy. And yeah, and people don't want to work with you. But he came back and he just kept on working and he continued to do great things. But I don't think it was until the last maybe within the last 10 years or so that he really got sober because he had his famous drunk driving arrest in I think it was 2006. the Pacific Coast Highway got pulled over.

Famous, famous, famous body cam audio was released of that. And they, you know, they obviously went after him hard. And that was particularly notable because he had, he had already been attacked for even creating the Passion of the Christ. And, you know, and have you ever seen The Passion of the Christ? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, it's, it's literally a historical depiction of the last. like 29 hours or something like that of Christ's life you know i mean like it's it's just the tail end of

his life and it's exactly as depicted in the bible and um and much like the uh the conversation we started with you know like any sort of direct or indirect uh commentary on something that you actually see happening it's immediately maligned as some type of an um uh an anti-jewish you know, like, oh my God, Mel Gibson made a movie where he says that the Jews killed Christ. Okay, well, some Jews killed Christ. I mean, it's in the Bible. But really, if you know anything about Christianity, it says Jesus died for our sins. Okay. It was the collective of humanity that killed Christ. Okay. And Christ willingly gave his life so that we might live. So, you know, I'm sorry, nobody gets to, in my book, Nobody gets to have the market on that. And whether or not you believe in Jesus, whether or not you believe that he died and three days later, he was risen, he still died for your sins too.

So, you know, it is what it is. Yeah. And Ash and I have been doing the choice on Badlands, which is we go through episode by episode of The Chosen, which is such a great show. I recommend it to anyone who is less familiar with the New Testament. And it, I think it very accurate. I think the passion of the Christ paved the way for the chosen to be made. Oh, sure. Because it definitely accurately produced, like, shows these relationships.

And as Ash and I have said so many times, it's the Jewish elite. It's like the Sanhedron. Like, these are absolutely gatekeepers, and they were very ruthless, and they were very unscrupulous, and how they would use, like, Jewish law to oppress. the people. And it was very clear like that was that was happening like as it's portrayed in the in the show. So anyway, uh, those are not new, new subject, new subjects or ideas or themes for, for this audience. But let's go back. I just want to run through a few things. I actually have two other quotes from his dad that I want to read real quick. Okay. Cool. One of them from his old writings.

One of them is tolerance is the last virtue of a depraved society. It's very, very, I mean, these are apparently this is from like decades and decades ago. Yeah. He says they're after one world religion and one world government. That's another quote from one of his books. Wow. I love it. Yes, this guy sounds pretty base.

I mean, this guy sounds like he has a pretty open mind about things. Now, let's run, I just want to run through some of Mel Gibson's career before we get to the passion because I think that's kind of a big, a big discussion point here. Yeah.

He, uh, his breakout role was obviously, uh, uh, uh, Mad Max, I think that was 83. Two years before that, he was in a film called Gallipoli about the battle,

Gallipoli from World War I. He then was in the sequels to Mad Max in the 80s. And then was in Lethal Weapon, lethal weapon, which became like a huge movie and a huge series, because there were other movies that were made of it. And then that all kind of culminated. There were obviously other films he was in the 80s and 90s, but that kind of culminated in Braveheart in 1995.

I believe Braveheart won like a number of Academy Awards, right? And back then that was, I think the Academy Awards haven't mattered for a very long time. But back then that was like once you won an Academy Award, then you're kind of a made man in Hollywood, right? You can kind of just make movies after that. And that's probably what gave him a lot of the, I mean, he self-funded the passion. I think it was a $30 million budget. Yeah. Created a film studio to do that as well.

icon films he wanted to make well because i mean he was sick of working within the studio complex and there was nobody that was going to touch the passion of the christ and you know prior to that any film that was about god i mean you can go back to like charlton heston and stuff like you know i mean like you know those those original movies from the original like you know hollywood studio scene there was a number of of films that were based on stories of the bible and they were big releases. But in terms of like modern films, anything that was about Christianity or about Christ or about God, they were all like very small scale like independent films. And like, you know, like movies about God at that point had kind of developed a like the, the assumption was that if it

was a movie about, you know, about Christ or if it was about God or it was about the Bible, it was basically going to be produced by like CBN or something like that. It was going to be low budget and there wasn't going to be any big actors in it. And it wasn't necessarily going to be good. It wasn't going to be like a Hollywood blockbuster. And the Passion of the Christ completely turned that on its head. It showed that you could tell a compelling story that was produced really, really well, that was written well. Like, I mean, the amount of research that went into that.

You know, I mean, like, it was in like Aramaic, Latin, and Hebrew, you know, two dead languages and one that's, you know, very limitedly spoken, you know, basically in religious circles. And, and that had never been done before, as far as I know. I mean, it was a massive undertaking. And, and overall, I mean, the film, I want to say it gross like, like, $370 million here in the United States. And then about like $600 or so million worldwide. It did incredibly well. And I remember the conversation, like, you know, when it came out and so many people were just like, oh, you know, have you seen The Passion on the Christ? Yeah. You know, I mean, like my entire family went out and saw it. And, and it was, it was a cultural

phenomenon at the time. Because, you know, for there to be a movie in this like depraved satanic Hollywood system, there's a movie about the life and the death of Christ. And it was just something that you had never seen before. Yes, absolutely, absolutely right. And, yeah, and again, like, I think that the experience of the Patriot probably, like, fed into him kind of just, like, bucking, like, I don't care what y'all think or say. Because he, like, the Patriot was obviously much more of a political, political thing, far more, like, than religious or whatever.

and to have like American history censored by British, British academics who were threatening to, basically they contacted the producers as I understand it, and they threatened the producers that we are going to slander all of you and we'll make sure that like your lives are destroyed if you don't do this. And so the producers are like, all right, we're still going to release the film. We're just going to make it like a work of fiction, basically.

Wow. So anyway. So let's go. I know you have some clips. I want to play those before we do. I just want to tie this all together. So everyone keeps us in mind as we're moving forward. Mel Gibson is very relevant right now because he has been appointed as one of three people to be considered Trump's liaison to Hollywood.

I think the other one, the other two were Sylvester Stallone and then what's his name? John Void. John Void, who I think passed away. Did he? Did he? Maybe not. I don't know. I don't know.

I was for fake news, but I thought I saw he had passed away. Maybe not. But yes, it was John Voigt, Semester Stallone, and Mel Gibson. And so... Yeah, he's still alive. 87 years old. Okay. Okay.

Okay. John Void, breaking news. John Void's still alive. All right. All right. So just running through like the interactions between Trump and Mel Gibson. The first one was in 2021. We saw the salute.

The next one was in 2023 in Las Vegas. There was another MMA fight. Mel Gibson and Mark Wahlberg were there. And they were hanging out with Trump. And then they were basically. the two of them, Walberg and Gibson, were like destroyed in the media. They were tagged as disgusting for normalizing Trump. Because at that point, like the media thought Trump was done and he was never coming back.

And how could you possibly even speak to somebody like that? He is persona non grata. And then in 2024, Mel Gibson publicly and before Mel Gibson endorsed Trump, Trump actually came out and posted on social media on true social. and said, Mel Gibson is great, like in all caps. I'm talking about how great Mel Gibson is. And then Mel Gibson, of course, came out and endorsed him for president. And then he became Trump's official liaison for Hollywood.

And then this actually says right here in this 2024 article from Newsweek. It says Trump posted to a social media platform true social on Tuesday about the upcoming election. He shared a meme to his account that had a photo of a clean cut. Gibson, the text, me voting for Trump in 2016, alongside a photo of Gibson from the film Braveheart. Okay, yeah, yeah, I thought that was about going to say something else. Yeah, we've all seen that. So anyway, now let's go back, though, and watch some these clips because I think that this controversy around this film is so relevant to like the political discourse right now.

Yeah. And I played that opening clip of the AP, like interviewing that rabbi who said this film, cannot be released because if it does, it's going to fom it anti-Semitism. So ridiculous. Yeah. So if you have that three-minute clip that I know you said you had. Yeah. So this is a three-minute clip.

Part of a 24-minute interview, the entire interview is gangbusters. I'd recommend anybody watch it. But this is sort of like a highlight reel. But this is during the 1998 press tour for conspiracy theory. And, you know, it puts a whole different spin on that film. now knowing what we know about his father and likely what Mel Gibson grew up with and what he was taught. And so in this in this interview, Mel Gibson essentially talks about his relationship with Hollywood. And let me just get this pulled up.

Okay. And if you want to go ahead and add that to the screen, I don't think I have the ability to. There we go. Okay, here we go. You know, I had a whole bunch of weird paranoid suspicions. about what the hell was going on because there was a lot of stuff I couldn't understand. Right. And nobody was really bothering to explain it to me. They don't.

And I formed a bunch of opinions about the town and about the people in it that were like, surely that couldn't be. Because a whole place can't be like, you know, weird town, you know, where the story. stranger wanders in and all the people are in the bar and they all shut up when he looks at him. And they tell you don't go out of the house on the hill. It's like that. And then you go away and you think, no, I was wrong. I mean, that's insane thinking. I'm paranoid.

I imagined that stuff that couldn't be the reason for why so-and-so was acting like, could it? And then you find out later on the track that you are exactly on track. With a lot of this stuff, not specifically on track. but that you could that some of your worst nightmares were real at the time and you think no he came to see me on a rooftop in New York I said hey can I can I talk to you and he said sure he floated in sideways through a crowd of people he was wearing black and it was like one of those old vampire movies where they don't walk but they glide and he was a dancer you know so he has very he's very you know graceful yeah and he moves sideways and he just sat down in a chair next to me and it kind of frightened me and he's a very smart guy and we started talking and i didn't you know say much of anything about reading the script nothing i just started talking about the middle ages and he and he began to talk tortures and we swapped tortures because i'd read this book on torture and and i i tried to recall some of the most

heinous things i'd ever read in this book and And he was like, oh, oh, and he'd try and top it. And my assistant was there and he left because he couldn't stand it anymore. The air had turned cold. And then he left and I wanted to leave. And because I knew that I didn't want to work with him. And he was getting scary. There's a producer I know, successful producer.

I will not mention names. but his whole opinion about women on film from beginning to end is very brief he says women on film either naked or dead both is better and it's like

whoa the man has got a spiritual malady for a start the scary thing is that I think a lot of people think that dark very dark extremely dark you know and another thing that strikes me about mel gibson is that um the fact that he wouldn't mention names like he never said you know who that producer was that he was that he was talking about

there you know the vampire gliding through the crowd um and you know there's a lot of people uh wasn't he talking about what's his name he was talking about um um the father the father from uh uh wedding crashers what I don't know why I can't think of his name but it'll come to keep going I'm sorry okay well I don't know who was if that's who it was then we got to find out now who was the father and wedding crashers it's um you know it's a famous actor it's uh because I've seen that that extended clip it's someone someone in the chat's yelling at me right now if it is I'm sure but anyway continue your point and I will uh Christopher Walkin that's who he's talking about oh that's it he was talking about Christopher walking

in that like in the extended clip that's crazy because i can i can i can imagine christopher walkin just being like one of the creepiest people in the world in person but it's like you don't know is he is he really that dark of a soul or is it just like he enjoys making people uncomfortable i'm not certain that's kind of what it sounds like no guess no speculating too is like maybe that he was just messed with me but yeah but he's like the air turned cold and i wanted to leave but i couldn't like yeah Yeah, but Christopher walking is who he was talking about. But yeah. You know, I mean, but, you know, mentioning the, the producer and his, his thoughts on women, you know, he was also asked at a certain point, like, after all of the Me Too stuff and after people were being exposed, like the Harvey Weinsteins and stuff.

And he was like, you know, what's it matter now? You know, I mean, like, it's already happened. It happened for years and nobody cared about it, right? You know, I mean, like, this is how it happens in Hollywood. And for people to basically be up in arms about it at this point, it's kind of ridiculous. Because this is the world that they lived in. And this is one of the reasons why he was disturbed enough to leave Hollywood for a period of time and then come back. And it's also one of the reasons why he felt the need to make his own production company.

Because obviously the influence of money and producers and all of these external factors, It creates a situation where you can't tell the story that you want to tell, where they force you into producing something that maybe is commercially consumable, but not necessarily artistically gratifying. And another film that Mel Gibson was involved with that, of course, never would have been made under the regular modern Hollywood system was the Sound of Freedom, you know. And, yes, you're right. Yeah. And,

you know, Mel Gibson produced that. And I believe that was his production company, um, uh,

that, uh, you know, that was behind it. And, um, you know, and similar to,

um, the, uh, the story about, uh, the Patriot. Um, after that came out,

they tried to destroy, uh, the subject of that movie. Um, I'm drawing a blank on his name right now. Um, they said that he was like a rapist and a trafficker. You're talking about the subject of the Patriot?

No, no, the subject of Tim Ballard. Tim Ballard. When the Sound of Freedom came out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because, I mean, obviously the whole movie is about, you know, stopping child trafficking. And so there were a lot of articles that were written, you know, suggesting that, you know, Tim Ballard and his group of people had actually not done the things that they claimed they did. And then more than that, when they, he was, you know, in this situation where a woman is supposed to be in a relationship with him.

And they suggested that Tim Ballard was a little too handsy or something like that or like basically he had sexually assaulted this woman. But, you know, I mean, they're, they're in theater. Okay. I mean, like, they're supposed to be pretending like they're in a relationship. And if people don't believe that they're in a relationship, then they're not going to perhaps make it out alive, right? You know, I mean, so it just, it felt really disingenuous to me. And I, I really perceived that entire thing as another attempt to just destroy Ballard and the movie in the minds of the people who would want to go see it. because, you know, they, they take the subject of the Patriot and they say, oh, he's a, he's a rapist and he's a misogynist and he's, you know, this, you know, killed Indians for fun.

So then the people who might go see that movie where they're like, oh, gosh, you know, maybe I don't want to see this movie now. And the same with the sound of freedom. They're saying, oh, my gosh, well, Tim Ballard, he's a trafficker, he's a rapist, he's a misogynist, maybe I don't want to go see that movie. And you never heard about that. for things with the Hollywood studios. You know, I mean, think about, like, how many times have you seen since Woody Allen was exposed for grooming his adopted daughter? I know he wasn't officially the adopted father, but he raised that little girl, Sunye Previn.

He raised Sunye Previn from, like, you know, she was, you know, an adolescent. As soon as she turned 18, he left me a pharaoh and he and Sunyee Previn got married. Like, that is as classic a grooming situation as I can imagine. He was also accused of molesting the children that he had with Mia Farrow or, no, no, I'm sorry. Ronan Farrow, I believe, was Frank Sinatra's son. And the other child, that was actually his daughter with Mia Farrow. But he was accused of molesting her. And I mean, I say accused because he hasn't gone to court.

But I've heard some phone calls between Mia Farrow and Woody Allen. and it seems pretty obvious that he knows he did something wrong, whatever that was. But Woody Allen has had a number of films come out since then. I mean, like, some major Hollywood icons have continued to work with Woody Allen. And they talk about Mel Gibson. Oh, my God, Mel Gibson said some stuff when he was drunk about the way Jews control Hollywood. And he's, that's unforgivable. But Woody Allen grooms a child for, you know, 10,000.

plus years molests another child and he's a he's a genius he's an auteur so why wouldn't we work with him who was the guy who got the standing ovation in the 2000s for uh at the academy awards after he was charged with pedophilia and fled i think he fled to his roman polanski roman polansky yeah roman polansky in the 1970s merrill street yeah yes yeah he groomed drugged and then anally raped a 13 year old girl in a hot tub and he was

and you know that child told her mother and Roman Polansky was arrested and then charged and he was charged with rape and the prosecutor allowed him to cut a plea deal and Roman Polansky thought he was going to cut a plea deal

and then just get probation and then it became obvious busy, I told you. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's wild. That is absolutely wild. And, yeah, and then, like, like, obviously, like Harvey Weinstein. I mean, there's, like, the list just goes on. Like, like, all, that was all an open secret.

All of the stuff was open secrets and people didn't care. No, no. And Roman, I mean, he fled to France and he was there for decades. And he continued to make movies. And, yeah, and people just, like, wrote it off. No big deal. But Mel Gibson, he's, like, the worst person you could possibly imagine. imagine when it comes to the Hollywood press core.

Yeah. So I actually do have a clip here because so Jim Jim Caviesel is who played, played both Jesus in The Passion and he also played Tim Ballard in The Sound of Freedom. He obviously has a really good relationship with Mel Gibson. And then, of course, the resurrection of the Christ, in one of the most anticipated films of all time because the passion was, I think the highest grossing R-rated film, maybe up until recently. But for a very long time, it was the highest,

rated or the highest grossing commercially successful R-rated film, which is a high watermark. And yeah, and they say that the resurrection film is going to be pretty great. And you know, it's going to be two parts. Is it? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And they both come out in 2027. Okay. Yeah. I'm excited about that. Here is Jim Caviesel, though, just explaining on, um, uh, uh, uh, Sean, uh, uh,

name escapes. Ryan. I was forget his name too. Sean Ryan. Thank you. Yeah, Sean Ryan explaining how he got picked by Mel Gibson. This is a one minute clip.

How did you get word about that film? I knew Mel Gibson was, but I did not know with Steve McAvody. That was his key producer. They invited me to a film. I think it was Tom Hanks and Mel Gibson were going to do this together. It was on Mavericks.

We were talking about the movie. I didn't think the script was there yet. And then all of a sudden, Mel pivot to something. And I said, oh my God. And I said, you want me to play Jesus, don't you? And he looked at me. He was smoking a cigarette. He just, yeah, put his head down. Two days later, he called me. And he goes, hey, Jim is Mel. I said, Mel, who? He goes, I don't know, Mel Brooks. Hey, he's smoking a cigarette. And he goes, do you still want to play this Jesus guy? If you do, you may never work in this town again. We're all called to carry our cross.

If you don't pick up and carry your cross, you will be crushed by the weight of it. God, really quiet on the phone. I said, I just realized my initials are JC and I'm 33 years old. And he goes, God, you're freaking me out. He hung up the phone. That's so good. Yeah, he's such a legend. Yeah, but, and he was right.

I mean, Jim Cavizal's career was like, like ruined because of that. Very true. Yeah, he didn't work in mainstream Hollywood after that. Yeah. So it's, it's, you know, good point by him. But yeah. And so this, it's funny because we've done Kanye West on this show. I did that with Cam pretty early on.

Because Kanye, I kind of consider Kanye and Mel to be like in this pantheon of, whatever you want to call this, but truth of them at the Great Awakening is probably a good moniker. But I consider both them in the like the pantheon. of the Great Awakening, regardless of what they do, like what are their sins and flaws they have in their life for this reason, because the two of them have taken the subject matter of Jesus, brought it to the mainstream and made it commercially successful in the most like mainstream way possible. That would be Mel Gibson with Passion of the Christ, Kanye West with Jesus King, the album. The Kanye episode we did didn't get into the part two of Kanye.

which we're going to do eventually, but that's like during the Biden years. But you definitely see, I think, some parallels in like what happened to Kanye in 2022 after he went DefCon 3 on the Jews, right, following his stunt in Paris fashion week. All he did was just wear a shirt that said, white lives matter. And then he was viciously attacked. But obviously the knives were out for Mel Gibson with this passion film, as he alludes to there in that phone or in that anecdote by Jim Caviesel. And the pressures on him, I think, were enormous.

The pressures on the film were enormous. You mentioned his, you know, the drinking problem. And he's put commentary out. I've seen interviews where he's put commentary out about that. But that leads to some incidents where he's drunk. He's either engagement with the police or he's just engaged with people in Hollywood who didn't tell the stories later. And he gets arrested, I think, on a DUI one time.

And he's talking about that. But I think that was in 2006. And then he goes on Good Morning America and gives kind of this famous interview with Diane Sawyer. And it might be worth watching a few clips of that if you're prepared for that. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Well, do we want to actually hear some of the audio of the drunk driving?

first. If you have that, then yes. Yeah, I do have, I believe this is from TMZ. Hold on. Okay, I've got it over here. I've got to pull it from a different browser. Okay, so, oh gosh, hold on. This is just the transcript. Hold on. I could have sworn that I had actually heard a real recording from this. this drunk driving arrest, but I'm starting to think maybe it's not online or maybe Mel was successful in getting it taken offline, but there is some TMZ coverage from the time that it actually came out.

If you can pull that up, this is just the article, but there is the actual report from the arresting officer. And basically what happened is, you know, he was found to be driving on the Pacific Coast Highway. He had a bottle of tequila with him. And it was very early in the morning on, you know, Friday morning. So I guess like Thursday night, Friday morning. He's in Malibu.

And the officer pulls him over and he just starts kind of going off on her. And he says, my life is fucked. Probably because he got pulled over. But the actor, well, it gets out of his car. The officer tries to cuff him. and he didn't want to get cuffed. Eventually, he cooperates. And he tells the officer, I'm not going to get in your car.

And then he tries to run back to his own car. The officer has to subdue him, cuffs him and puts him away. And there is audio that exists out there. I know that there's audio that exists out there. But he's in the car with the officer, and he tells the officer, you motherfucker, I'm going to fuck you. and he just continues to threaten the police officer, and he says that he's going to spend all of his money to get even with him.

And then he goes into a series of anti-Semitic remarks, allegedly he says, the fucking Jews. The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world. And then he asks, are you a Jew? And the deputy is like, whoa, hold on, hold on. where this come from. And so then another cop shows up and they start filming Mel Gibson. And Gibson is like, you know, what the fuck do you think you're doing?

And then he looks at a female officer and he says, what do you think you're looking at sugar tits? It's so funny because I said sugar tits on my show the other night. Like just like a couple of days ago, I was making fun of a cat Abagazela. that Antifa candidate for a representative in Illinois who just lost her race. Anyways, I forgot that this is where I got it from. But anyways, so he ended up taking a couple of different alcohol tests. And he kept saying, you know, how he was so screwed. And basically, I think that's like the long and the short of it.

But he said that, you know, or the police, when they wrote up the report, they said that his comments were, if they were to come out, you know, they were going to incite Jewish hatred and that it was just way too, um, uh, inflammatory. And obviously they knew at this point is this is a couple of years after the passion of the Christ and they were already going after him for saying that the film had created all of this anti-Jewish sentiment. And you know, it makes me wonder, like how much of this drunken tirade had something to do with oppression. that had already had been put on him for the last several years for the passion of the Christ right you know I mean like the idea that he was an anti-Semite for even making this film

rather than in my opinion I feel like he was a passionate about his faith that's the reason that he made the film he didn't set out to make the film because he's like I got to make sure everybody knows that the Jews killed Jesus like you know the Bible's been out for a couple of thousand years okay like if everybody has that as their as their takeaway, you know, then then you've already, you know, you've already come to that conclusion, like learning the historical facts about the death of Christ, I don't think that that's going to really change hearts and minds. And that's just my opinion. But I mean, yeah, well, and just raises a Protestant in the Anglican church, I can definitely say that, for what I've observed just in like the general media space, that in the Protestant world, that. in the Protestant world, that's definitely been revised so that it's the Romans who killed Jesus.

That's definitely like suffered under the Romans. I think that's how they changed the Lord's prayer. I was raised Catholic, and the same is true in Catholicism. You know, it was, you know. It's fully blamed on the Romans. Yeah. And, but as the film accurately shows, it was both the Romans and the Sanhedron. But the Pontius Pilate famously washed his hands in the situation and walked away because, you know, he often. he was like, this is so silly. And this is something that the chosen has indulged as well that like when the Romans all meet Jesus, they're like, oh, this guy's like not a threat at all. Like he's not going to do anything. Oh, wait. He's encouraging people to pay their taxes and be like dutiful, lawful law-abiding citizens. This is great. Just leave him alone. He's fine. Yeah. It wasn't until the Caiapists and the Sanhedron.

Pharisees. Yeah, they really twisted their arm and hit their arm and said, hey, we need this guy gone because he's causing real problems for us. you want us to be able to maintain control over the people. And that was the relationship between Rome and the Sanhedron was that the Sanhedron kept the people in line. Exactly. And Rome allowed the Sanhedron to remain the elite and King Herod as well for that matter. When you grew up, like, did you have you ever listened to Jesus Christ Superstar? I was going to say, I want to say I went to see a musical when I was a kid that was like, was it Joseph and the electric and the multicolored raincoat or something like that. That was another one.

But yeah. It was one of those two, but yeah, I think I remember the song, like the Jesus Christ Superstar song, because I remember my brothers and I would always kind of like sing that to make fun of each other. Like just to, you know, just to make fun of one another whenever we were trying to do that. But because I grew up with, I grew up listening to Jesus Christ Superstar. And it's honestly, I would, I would recommend that anybody who's a Christian, I think that you should listen to it. And like just it's powerful, Gordon. let me tell you like i mean i can't put that record on and not like get emotional uh i will cry every single time because it uh i mean it details everything and you know i mean it shows the

uh just like the the political intrigue and the subterfusion the sacrifice of jesus and you know that's not what i saw yeah i think i saw a joke color rancca i think that's what i saw a color dream coat but yes dream coat yeah which is like a like parliament funkadelic meets made the New Testament, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, this is, this is definitely like a modern rock opera, but it's,

I mean, it's, it's real, it's real. Like, I mean, it's like the way, like it just,

it's for me growing up as a Catholic. Is this it? Yeah. No, I've not seen this. So you don't need to necessarily watch, like, I mean,

you can watch the movie if you want to watch the movie, but I would suggest just sitting, down with the album and just, you know, because that's what I grew up with. So like, you know, like hearing it and, uh, and just, you know, I mean, the music is good, but like the message is really what got me. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's, it's funny. Um, like, I don't know how commercially successful this was, but that I was incredibly successful. That's what I was, I was incredibly successful. I was that. Okay. Like in the back of my mind, I was thinking like with Kanye West in his album and like, no gives him, passion the Christ.

versus Joseph in the multicolored dream coat. I don't know how commercially successful that is, but I think that was pretty successful, too. Maybe it was, but it wasn't $600 million worldwide in sales. Not at all. No, not that the money really matters is the message, but it just is a, the money is a metric for how many people consumed it, how many, you know, minds are reached. You know, I mean, I look at, I look at Jesus Christ Superstar. I mean, that's like that era's modern equivalent of, you know, like Kanye West's album. I don't think, yeah, yeah, I don't think I've ever seen that.

So I'll have to check it out and I'll have to listen to the album. But yeah, that doesn't look like, I mean, it's kind of like Joseph from the North Carolina Dreamcove. But the thing I saw live was all over the place. And it was definitely not, you know, theater kids. It definitely wasn't, it definitely wasn't scripture based in terms of what was happening on stage. Jesus Christ Superstar truly is. It's it's it's really good and you know I mean if I think I would hope that it would resonate with you. I mean like I like I can still sit down. We used to listen to it every year at Easter basically. You know, we'd go to church. We'd have um, well I mean, we'd we'd listen to it on Easter weekend, right? You know, I mean like because like the whole weekend was like devoted to it and like Lent every year. You know, I mean just like the holiday like leading up to the rest of the resurrection of Christ was always a like a big occasion yeah well the song that I referenced before my brothers and I would sing to one another when we were teasing each other was definitely not that

song it was definitely something different but it was Jesus Christ superstar who do you believe he really are yeah yeah yeah yeah like they're like taunting him like it's like the like it's you know like he has already you know perform miracles and he's he's like you know for a period of time he's accepted and then they start to sort of like delegitimize him And, and they're basically like, oh, you know, you think you're the son of God. And, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's really, it's crazy, man. It's good. Interesting.

Well, so here, so after that arrest happens, he goes, this is 2006, Mel Gibson goes on GMA and does the interview of dying story. So let's listen to a little bit of it. Okay. Um, it's here what he says. The same thing is like try and drive at high speed, even a couple of drinks, you lose all humility. Everything is just, you become a bragger and a blow hard. Yeah. Now one of the things you said was about owning Malibu.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Right. Yes. Owning, I own this place as I sat in the bank of the police car with my hands cut. And then as the officer arrested him, a tirade against Jews. Tell me back to that moment as you remember it then. Officer James Me, did you know him? Did you know he was Jewish?

No, I don't think so. I don't think so. I found out later, but that's. She was. Why would you have asked? Yes, he was. I don't know. It's, you see, it's all, I didn't know if he was or wasn't. I mean, I said horrible things to him. And he was pretty patient. These are the words. How horrible does he think they were. I read to him the officer's account of the words he used that night, expletive Jews. And to Officer Me, are you a Jew? And the Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world. Are those anti-Semitic words? Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Sounds horrible. And I'm ashamed of that. That came out of my mouth. That I'm not that. That's not who I am, you know. We have a world in which alcohol is used to excuse behavior. It's always, well, alcohol is used to kill pain. And it is no excuse, by the way. It's not a good enough excuse. If the police officer had been black. Mm-hmm.

Maybe. I don't know. What would you have said? Who knows? I would have to get loaded again and tell you. And then be in those conditions again. Because it's unpredictable. What's going to come flying out?

At the police station still. Yeah, I mean, you got to have to give him credit that he's pretty like to live with his, you know, he's pretty, it feels like he's being genuine when he's. respond to that because he's being a little self deprecating and all of that oh you have to be i mean he put out a public statement before he went on good morning america he said um after drinking alcohol on thursday night i did a number of things that were very wrong and for which i am ashamed i drove a car one i should not have and was stopped by the la county sheriffs the arresting officer was just doing his job and i feel fortunate that i was apprehended before i caused injury to any other person

I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested, and I said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable. I am deeply ashamed of everything I said. Also, I take this opportunity to apologize to the deputies involved for my belligerent behavior. They have always been there for me in my community, and indeed probably saved me for myself. I disgrace myself and my family with my behavior, and for that I am truly sorry. I have battled with the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and, profoundly regret my horrific relapse. I apologize for any behavior.

I'm becoming of me in my inebriated state, and I've taken necessary steps to ensure my return to health. You know, for all of the aspects of Mel Gibson, you know, the fact that he's an alcoholic and he's in long-term recovery, that is honestly something that truly resonates with me. Because for years, I, too, battled alcoholism and drug abuse. And much like Mel Gibson, loved alcohol, loved whispers, love beer, loved cocaine. And he's absolutely right. You know, all of those things are symptoms

of pain that you're trying to alleviate inside yourself. And for a lot of people, certainly for myself, probably for Mel, it sounds like it's when those things are available and you are not equipped with the necessary tools to confront and deal with those things, those demons that are, you know, plaguing your mind on a daily basis. It is very easy to slip into those behaviors. And, you know, in a world like Hollywood, I would say that it's, you know, far too easy. You know, those things are around all the time and you're surrounded by people who are more than happy to help you debase yourself. I mean, it's, you know, what a better story than for the Hollywood elites, whomever controls it.

to take the man who created one of the most consequential films about the life of Christ, probably the most consequential film, until the release of the resurrection of the Christ, and ensure that they debase themselves in such a horrific and public way. And, you know, I mean, it's not easy to get sober. And especially not when you find yourself in a situation. like this. I mean, the last thing you want to do after you have completely humiliated yourself in this way is to confront it, to talk about it, and then to stay sober so that you have to

keep thinking about it. But truly, that's the only way that you can ever move past any of this stuff. And I heard an interview with Mel in the last couple of years. And they, you know, they had asked him, you know, you know, how do you, like, like, basically like, how do you like, you know, just like operate in the way that you do because you just seem like everything is great. And, and he said, you know, I just, I wake up every morning and I remind myself that, um, I'm not in control of any of this. And that's honestly the same way that I live. And it's probably because I learned that in Alcoholics Anonymous, you know, in Hollywood, you're basically, you're basically, taught that you are the center of the universe and all of these people uh you know it's it's a it's a it's a an it's an it's an industry and a career that's based on narcissism and you have to sell yourself

and you know barring being able to sell yourself you have to sell pieces of yourself or be willing to give them away so that you will be cast in uh in in in a film or um you know you're going to do things that perhaps you would never do. And in that same way, you know, I mean, like, I have to remind myself every single day that I am, like, I'm insignificant in the grand scheme of things. The world does not revolve around me. I am not in control of 99% of what's happening around me. The only thing that I can control is my own behavior and my reaction to the things that happen around me. And having that foundation on which I live my life is it allows me to have tremendous peace and to not be consumed with all of these things that are happening around me. I see a lot of people in the chat,

you know, out there on social media and people are obsessed with the idea of molding the world around them. If only I could make the world be this way. Like that's, you know, It's a great thought. I mean, I wish that, you know, certainly I could make the world do certain things around me. If I could have the power of God to mold the thoughts and the opinions of every single person around me or the actions of world leaders, then would probably be a much easier world because it be exactly the way that I wanted to be. But that's impossible. So why do I need to consume myself with that? Why do I need to give myself the anxiety that comes along with that?

I am not in control. And if I obsess about trying to have control, I'm going to go right back to drinking. I'm going to go right back to using drugs. And that's essentially, you know, what it's like living in the mind of an alcoholic. And so I feel like I understand Mel Gibson in a way that perhaps maybe I wouldn't understand other people. Yeah, that's all well said. Thank you. Thank you for saying all that.

That's, yeah, because there's certainly plenty of. anecdotes out there that I'm sure Mel Gibson would like to have back and it seems like all of them are probably alcohol-fueled or alcohol-related or whatever. So anyway, that's that that is what it is. And so I think before we get to kind of like wrap like winding down, first let's hit an ad and then we'll come back and kind of reset and kind of do a final segment and closing and thoughts. And so our next ad is from our friends over at Tamarack Garden. Spring has sprung at Tamarack Garden. Time for your body to bloom with plant-powered magic. Kick off your spring glow

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Use promo code Badlands for $10 off a $50 order. So thank you to our friends at Tamarack Garden. And yes, and I appreciate you sharing all that because I think that's an important theme here with some of the with this heavier stuff because, you know, with demons kind of being, being in all this. And we see, by the way, a lot of these similar parallels with a figure like Kanye West, right? He struggles with these demons and the pressures from Hollywood and elsewhere. Yeah, and so I think this upcoming film Resurrection of the Christ is really going to be something special from what I've heard about it and from what Mel Gibson has said about it.

And we'll close out the show. The closing outro video will be like it's like a seven-minute clip I have of him and Joe Rogan talking about him describing it. Yes. It's probably a good place to land it. But before that, a few other things I wanted to hit on him. These are just kind of like fast facts. One thing I did not know about Mel Gibson, because I have young kids. So my daughter recently watched that Disney movie Pocahontas, which came out when I was a kid.

Yeah, I remember it. Sometimes in the 90s. I didn't know that Mel Gibson was the main character in that. Oh, I guess I didn't either. Well, like, I started hearing like the, you know, because I'm sitting there watching the movie with my kids. And I hear the voice. And I'm like, that sounds like Mel Gibson. And then like at the end of the movie, I went and checked the, like, I was checking the

credits and it's like that is Mel Gibson like he plays uh what is it John Smith and that yeah and then the second lead the second male lead in that is um what's his name Patrick Bateman oh Christian Bale Christian Bale yeah he's I was like Christian Bale and Mel Gibson were like in an animated Disney movie that's weird um very random like did not know that at all about that movie but I mean not that I would you know I don't know much about Disney lore but I thought that was very random So that was like kind of a recent revelation for me. Have you ever seen Chicken Run? Is that like the Claymation?

Yes. Like, is it like claymate? Like, I remember it. I don't know if I ever saw it. It's from the people that made Wallace and Gromit. It's, anyways, or whatever.

You just watched that in school. I think they would show that in school. Yeah. Mel Gibson was the lead chicken and chicken run as well. Interesting. Okay. I didn't know he did like voice acting. Yeah.

Yeah, but by the way, like where I live, and I was explaining this to my daughter, because, you know, she's smart to pick up on this. Where that movie takes place is like right around where I live. Cool. Yeah, where like the Pocahontas movie would have taken place. So I tell my daughter that. But also Hacksaw Ridge, I didn't, like that's kind of a little bit relevant here. Oh, yeah. It's like war happening.

I didn't realize Mel Gibson made that movie. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, that's the movie about like the pacifist, medic, right? who was past this, but he still went ahead and served in World War II as a medic. And then I think he got a medal of honor for saving all those guys at Haxall Ridge. I think Mel Gibson won a couple of, there were, yeah, he won best director and best picture for that as well. And then is it, did Andrew Garfield?

I think he won best actor as well. Yeah, he was the star that I remember. Yeah, yeah. And then best film editing, best sound mixing and best sound editing and best sound editing as well. So yeah, that swept that year. That was huge because Mel Gibson had, you know, he had basically been forced to like, you know, take time away from Hollywood. And there was, you know, for a long time, there were people who were like Mel Gibson should never be allowed to make films ever again because of what he did. I mean, obviously the drunk driving arrest.

And I think like three years later, he also got into a drunken argument with his wife at the time. and she recorded it and then also released some of their text messages. And that came out. I think he might have gotten arrested for that as well. And, you know, but again, the same thing. It's the alcoholism. It's really the alcohol that's fueling all that. And so Mel was forced to take some time away.

I think that the next like film that he was in was called at edge of darkness. Have you ever seen that? Yes, yes. Yeah. As you imagine darkness, yeah. So let me, I want to, I've got a clip actually that I wanted to play from the press tour on that. He was being interviewed by CNN about this. And they were basically like, you know, what about people who say you shouldn't be allowed to make films?

And, and Mel confronts this guy as he's trying to basically catch him in some type of gotcha about doing this film. So here, if you can pull that up. Yes, yes. Some people are going to welcome you back and other people are going to be like, you should never come back. Why? Because of what happened before? What happened before?

The remarks that were attributed to you. That were attributed to me that I didn't necessarily make. Okay. But, and I gather you have a dog in this fight. Pardon me? You have a dog in this fight? Or are you being impartial? You tell me, I'm trying to be impartial, I guess.

Okay. Well, I'm back. well, I'm back. And I hope it works out. And I hope people will graciously accept me back. So there was another controversy. I love the way. I love, yeah. I mean, he basically just like took his balls out and put him on the table in front of that guy and said, look at them.

And he was like, he asked the guy, like, can you clarify what you mean? And the guy was like, uh, uh, uh, it's like, well, like, what, what remarks are you talking about? Like, no specificity. Was he talking about the one from 2006? He was talking about. So, so I think, what he was referring to. So Winona Ryder had come forward and done an interview

with like Vanity Fair or something like that. And she said that like, you know, back in the 90s, she was at a Hollywood party and she came upon Mel Gibson and she was with her friend. And Winona Ryder's Jewish. The friend was gay. And Mel Gibson allegedly made this drunken

joke about gay people. I think that like he realized the guy was gay and he was like, I'm not going to get AIDS, am I? That's what she said, he said, Mel Gibson denies it. And then she said that Mel Gibson, when she found out that she was Jewish, he allegedly called her an oven dodger. And so Mel Gibson, she did this interview.

Mel Gibson immediately came out and was like, that never happened. Like, you know, I have done and said things that I regret, but I deny having said those things. and then and I guess that his people tried to reach out to her people and she came out and said oh Mel tried to reach out to apologize to me and he was like I didn't try to apologize to her because I didn't say those things but I think that you know that was the Hollywood mafia trying to make sure that Mel Gibson couldn't come back and would be unable to continue making films in any respect certainly you know there was apocalyptic as well that he had made and that was controversial You know, great, excellent movie.

And similar to the passion of the Christ, because they used another dead language to make it. It's a great film, brutal. And, you know, definitely something I recommend everybody see. But, you know, I mean, it also received awards and accolades, but similarly controversial because it was Mel Gibson who wrote and directed it. And people were like, Mel Gibson shouldn't be allowed to do this. But the man is talented, right? You know, I mean, like, and here's the truth. everybody makes mistakes, right? I don't know a single person who hasn't done or said something that they regret because they were drunk. I mean, like, if you drink, we live on a long enough timeline where you're probably going to do something stupid. And it's just so happens to me that Mel Gibson is the kind of person who's going to have people around who are going to be recording or going to be at least talking about those things afterwards. And the best thing you can do in a situation like that is just choose to not drink. Don't put yourself in that position. If I personally,

as a recovering alcoholic, if I was to start drinking again, there's no way that I would be able to do what we're doing right now. Because I know that I would undoubtedly do something that I regret. I would probably make a fool out of myself. And I would hate myself and I would immediately go back into that spiral of abuse. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, of course, Jesus is the one who really promoted the idea of, like, grace and forgiveness and mercy. but those are not virtues that are widely accepted, I think, in modern society.

No. And they're certainly not, certainly don't seem to be a part of the foreign policy platform of governments like Israel. So that's, I think that's certainly notable. Desmond Doss, though, from that film, Haxel original has pulled it up, forgot that that, that he was from Lidgeburg, Virginia, so that's not too far for me. I forgot how good the cast was. I didn't like I was like Vince Fallam was in that who's allegedly you know quote unquote right wing right but the the what is interesting timing on this because that film came out in 2016 and so you kind of got there like you mentioned that was like the return of Mel Gibson to like the mainstream and then resulted in him making like his own studio and making films after that which resulted of course in the sound of free. him along with other other movies.

So it's just interesting that, like, he comes back, right when Trump comes back. And I'm not suggesting that that was like a planned. Yeah. Providence. But then, of course, Hollywood is trying to destroy him right in 2020. And then he comes out in 2021, salutes Trump, appears with him again in Vegas in 2023. And then, of course, endorses him after Trump says something nice about him in 2024. and then gets appointed in 2025 to be Trump's liaison.

And Trump got him his gun rights back in 2025. There was, yeah, there was a woman. I don't know if she worked at the Department of Justice or at the ATF. She must have been the Department of Justice. But President Trump essentially had directed that Mel Gibson's gun rights be given back. And hold on. Her name is Liz Oyer. She was the pardon attorney at the U.S. Department of Justice from April of 2022, so during Biden's administration until March of 2025.

And she was fired by Todd Blanche because she refused to return Mel Gibson's gun rights. On March 7th, Blanche sent me a three-sentence memo ending my tenure as the Justice Department's pardon attorney. and, you know, at this point, why not allow Mel Gibson to have his gun rights back? You know, I mean, he's being sober. He has, you know, put his life back together. Really, it was because he had at that point associated himself with Trump. And he was a notable anti-Semite. And because of that argument with his wife, you know, and they probably accused him of being a woman hater and, you know, just being the worst types of people that you could possibly be.

So she didn't want to do what the president had asked her to do. And it was because she said he had a history of violence against women. And if he was to receive his gun rights back, then he would undoubtedly shoot a woman, which is just totally stupid. Yeah, it's really stupid. And that's what the Haxall Ridge, like just looking at some of the commentary around it, was, I guess, perceived as like a big deal because not only was his first return to directing since directing, was. Was it the passion? It wasn't the Passion of the Christ. It was since Apocalyptic, which is 2006. So Apocalyptic comes out in 2006. So this was his first film that he directed 10 years later, Hexel Ridge. And it was a departure from all the other films he had done like Braveheart and Apocalyptic. Because the main, the protagonist did not, was not like violent. He was a pacifist. Now, obviously, the Passion of the Christ would also fall in that exception category. But, um, It's just an interesting, like, in the current context of like, we're at war right now, at least narratively. And then you have this guy who wins the Congressional Medal of Honor, but he was a pacifist who refused to fight, but still went and signed up.

Interesting story, very, very interesting story, to say the least. So all that I think is, and then, of course, with that backstory that you just gave, it just kind of makes it more dynamic. And so he's certainly a dynamic character in real life, Mel Gibson. And the fact that Trump has picked him to be his liaison in the Hollywood, while I think ostensibly kind of tearing down Hollywood, because I think Hollywood has become largely irrelevant. Oh, certainly. I mean, the idea is very similar to what Trump is doing to, you know, the United States government and to the global order. You know, and this has always been the question that I've posed to the audience, you know, how do you destroy? the mechanism of your enslavement when that mechanism is the all-controlling hand of everything

around you, right? I mean, it's like you, like, in order to uproot that evil, is it possible to do it without completely destroying everything that holds up society? I mean, a lot of people would say, you know, tear it all down, sort it out in the end, but like nobody among us has ever lived in absolute anarchy right i mean like people if they want that they don't know what they're really asking for and what president trump would like to see happen is to bring hollywood back to a position of um financial solvency uh so how do you do that well you create you recreate a system that tells good stories provides entertainment uh doesn't inject uh

propaganda doesn't try to indoctrinate you, but instead just entertains you. I mean, for years, that's what Hollywood was. I would suggest that the indoctrination and the propaganda was always there in a subtle way, but it wasn't so obviously in your face. You know, it's like now there's something called the Bechtel test. You know, how many gay trans, you know, lesbian activists are in the project? And if it doesn't have enough of them, if it's just, you know, straight white men doing straight white men things, then the film isn't going to get made. I think that, you know, Mel Gibson,

Sylvester Stallone, John Voight, as ambassadors to Hollywood, it's about bringing Hollywood back to a place where it can just be about the storytelling and not be about the indoctrination. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And storytelling, of course, is a big theme here at Badlands and certainly when you're talking to Burning Bright and how important it is. And of course, you know, the choice I mentioned earlier, one of the greatest stories ever told the New Testament, the story of Jesus. And again, Zach, I don't know if you've seen the show, but like not our show, but the show of the chosen,

the parallels between like what is presented in the show because there's a little bit of embellishment with fiction, you know, to fill in, like give some of the apostles' backstory, which is not part of scripture, that sort of thing. But Ash and I agree that all those decisions, they don't create new narratives. They basically are just enriching the material that's already there. I mean, we were just talking the other day on this most recent episode about Judas, when Judas is introduced,

because all the other apostles who are given a backstory, not all of them are. They all go through ego death. And we spent like the whole second season talking about ego death and how important that is for the humility to like kind of be able to accept Christ and accept the teachings and understand them. And Judas doesn't have that in the context of the show, the telling of this fictionalized version of the gospel. And I thought that was interesting because the parallels that we were talking about between like what's happening now with the movement of people crashing out because their expectations aren't meeting reality. And that maybe is like kind of what happened with Judas was because all of them were convinced that that he was going to believe like a violent revolution against Rome and he was going to create the kingdom. that was what was written in the scriptures and all of the pharisees were saying that right they're all saying that that's the messiah's role and uh so that's just that's just one example but there's a

lot of other examples that uh it's just such a great story and there's so many parallels and analogies you can draw from it so um again i just love that meld gibson is doing this really look forward to the resurrection of the christ um before we play the outro um and get out of here i am going to i just I'm going to pull this up and remind everybody that we are doing GART 11 in Nashville. Now in a couple of weeks, we're not very far out. April 9th through 12th, join us in Nashville, Tennessee for Gart 11, the Great American Restoration Tour. Zach and myself and many others will be there. And you can go to Badlandsmedia.tv slash events to get your in-person ticket or your virtual ticket.

And I would encourage you to get a virtual ticket if you can't join us there. We do do a special exclusive live stream every Thursday at 2 leading up to the event for ticket holders. But you can also join the telegram chat, which is always very lively. We already have, I think, like 400 people in there. It looks like 300, 400 people in there. Yeah, so it's already popping. So again, join us in Nashville, April 9th through 12th. That is balancemedia.tv slash events.

Yes, Zach, so again, appreciate your brother for being here. As I mentioned before, I really would love to get you back here for some of these other great topics because there are a few other of these characters who I think are tied to Trump and tied to this story and very relevant to the general story of like this 30-year history, 40-year history that we kind of examine here on the show of like explaining what's happening or trying to understand it. So thank you again, man. You're such a deep well of knowledge. Thank you for having me. You know, one thing that we didn't get a chance to talk about that I was hoping we could bring up, so I'll just do it as a non-sequitur at the end. Please do it. In 2019, it was reported that Mel Gibson and Shial LeBuff, two Orthodox Christians, Catholics, rather, were set to make a film about the Rothschild family.

Really? Yes. And that film never came to fruition. and I've never seen a script that leaked online, but Gibson was going to play like the patriarch of the Rothschild family, and then Shia LeBuff was supposed to be, I guess, like, you know, the younger heir to the fortune. And I don't know what time frame it was going to happen in. Don't know much about it, only that it was just going to be this film.

And I just couldn't think of nothing more interesting than to see a Rothschild movie made by Mel Gibson and starring Shilabuff both. I just, I'm sad that that project never happened. And I would hope maybe at some point in the future it does. Maybe it still will. That would be amazing. I would love to see that happen. So here's open.

Here's open. So once again, we are going to wrap up with, it's like a seven-minute clip of Mel talking about the resurrection of the Christ on Joe Rogan. again this is chapter 48 of the book of trump uh wrapping up please join us next week for another chapter of the show and zach we will see you next time we get you on here brother absolutely thanks for having me making this resurrection movie now um you also have this obligation there's this you're doing a very similar thing that you were doing with the passion of the christ where this is this is a profound story yes

when you put something like that together how do you choose who's going to be the next jesus you use him again cavizal yeah i know it's 20 years later it's 20 years later but yeah but it's the right guy yeah but it's supposed to be three days later but he got 20 years older and i think um i have to use a few techniques that they've started to get really good with the cg i and yeah oh they can do amazing things now. You can actually get some of the same people. By the time you film it, it'll be even better. When are you going to start filming?

I'm hoping next year sometime. There's a lot required because it is, I'll just tell you this, it's an acid trip when we wrote it. It is like I've never read anything

like it. And my brother and I and Randall all sort of congregate. on this so there's some good heads put together but there's some crazy stuff um and i think in order to really tell the story properly you have to start with the fall of the angels right yeah which is you're in another place you're in another realm you know you need to go to hell you need to go to shiel so you're going to have hell you're going to have satan all that yeah whoa Are you got to have his origin?

How do you depict that? This is a good question. And I think I have ideas about how to do that. And ideas about how to evoke things and emotions in people from the way you depict it and the way you shoot it. So I've been thinking about it for a long time. So it's not going to be easy and it's going to require. a lot of planning and and I'm not wholly sure I can pull it off to tell you the truth it's really super ambitious but I'll take a crack at it because that's what you got to do

right walk up to the plate right so I think I can get it but it's not about me you know right about something else well if anybody can do it you can do it well I hope so yeah it's it's it's trying to find the way in that's not like cheesy or obvious but that actually it's almost like a magic trick in a sense it's diversion it's obfuscate this show that look over here you know yeah it's uh do you have a title uh yeah it's just like the resurrection of the christ yeah it's like uh So that's a title. And yeah, it's very ambitious.

That's all I'll say. It took a long time to write. It's really ambitious. And it goes from like the fall of the angels to the death of the last apostle. Do you have a start date? I don't have a start date. I just have to begin pre-production and see what happens. And it's just going to roll in its own time.

It's taken its own time. I thought it was late. I thought, well, taking too long. It's taken too long. but it's probably just right. Yeah. It's when it's supposed to be. Yeah. Well, if you believe that, that's true. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. I hope you're right. I think I'm right. My instincts are that I'm right. Yeah, yeah. And if I was going to trust anybody with that story, it would be you. Yeah. I don't know. It's a massive thing. And theoretically, it's something that you have to really look at.

and make correlations that that ring true because it's not all written. Do you consult with someone like a biblical scholar? Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And of course, you know, there's your own thing that comes into it from having read the book a few times. You read the book a few times and it's amazing.

how your memory how there's these recessive files somewhere in the background how you can correlate this piece to that piece over there and that's important because juxtaposition is everything with this story and um what it means in a bigger picture yeah so it's it's hard to explain but it's it's quite involved yeah well i can only imagine yeah and i don't know that you can do it in a foreign language because the concepts are too difficult now so that you may have to um resort to the vernacular so that that at least is clear is that up for a debate right now with you yeah it is i'm thinking like but look have you seen these apps now where they have this AI stuff where the guy's talking german and then he switches to french and then spanish and then chinese and yeah have you seen that yeah and his

mouth moods and it's the same voice i mean it's crazy what they do so So are you going to use that kind of a tool, do you think? You could. Will you begin it in Aramaic or in Hebrew? Maybe. Yeah. Aramaic is really the kick, isn't it? But, you know, I think I've written it in English, but I wrote the last one in English, too, and translated it.

And then the people had to learn to speak it because I think there's only about 400 people that actually speak Aramaic still. Wow. And apparently they understood it, so I was happy about that. Wow. So that was good. Yeah, 400,000 people, sorry. Oh, in the world. That makes more sense.

Yeah, yeah, sorry, 400 people. I've, like, preserve those 400 people. Yeah, not many people speaking Latin still, but that's quite well known. Well, I can't wait to see it, man. And I just want to say, I appreciate you very much. All the stuff that you've done, you've made some really awesome pieces in your life. You really have. Thank you.

Yeah. Yeah. Thanks a lot. Yeah. I'm blown away by where you got to with this, which is like, didn't you start off just smoking a spliff on a couch with a guy? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah, it's pretty bizarre. Yeah.

I'm not exactly sure how it happened. No. That's good. I just kind of kept doing it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a fan.

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