Badlands Media - Tuckabee & The Jews Part 3: War, Gaza, and the Limits of the Israel Debate

Episode Date: March 11, 2026

Ashe in America and Ghost return for the final installment of their breakdown of the Tucker Carlson and Mike Huckabee interview, continuing their analysis of the political, theological, and geopolitical claims surrounding Israel. In this episode, the conversation turns toward the most explosive portions of the interview, including the debate over Gaza, civilian casualties, and the competing narratives around Hamas and Israeli military actions. Ashe and Ghost examine the exchange where Tucker presses Huckabee on civilian deaths and the reliability of casualty figures, highlighting the difficulty of separating propaganda from fact in wartime. The hosts also reflect on how the geopolitical landscape has shifted since they began the series, noting the sudden escalation involving Iran and how quickly the global conversation can change. Throughout the discussion, they return to Badlands’ core principle of pursuing truth through open debate, even when the subject is controversial or uncomfortable. As the series concludes, Ashe and Ghost emphasize the importance of examining political narratives, questioning assumptions, and continuing to wrestle with difficult questions surrounding faith, foreign policy, and the modern state of Israel.

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Fucking rookie. I don't know. But this is our dramatic conclusion. We're here on our dramatic conclusion of Chuckabee and the Jews. This is the final episode. And so we're going to go through it relatively, we're going to go through it relatively quickly because we are not going to end up with more to cover. And we have to get to the end because the end is where they talk about the Abraham Family House.

And I definitely want to rant about that a little bit. Until skeptical says until part four. No. Yeah. But man, man had things evolved since we started doing this whatever two weeks ago. Yeah, talk about that while I pulled this up.

Yeah, I mean, it's crazy how when we started this, which was only going to be a one-off show, we didn't plan on doing multiple parts, but kind of realized quickly we were going to need to. There was no war with Iran, right? the war with Iran started after we did part one. So who knows? Maybe if we do end up doing a part four next week,

the war with the Ron will be concluded by them. We'll see. Knock it off with this part four stuff. This special has added like an extra three hours each week for the past three weeks. Okay, here we go. I found it. I want to go back to where he's like, permit me or, moment of outrage, right? That part, I think is kind of where we left off for the most part.

And so I'm going to get us, okay, I think it's great about here. So we'll play this. You tell me if you want me to pause as per usual. And then we've got, you know, obviously we've got notes and stuff throughout. But we're going to try and keep it more concise than we usually do because we don't have three hours today. We only have two. Yeah. that are larger than the London underground, over 500 miles of tunnels. They didn't build it to move people from one hospital to the other, one marketplace to the other, but to hide terrorist, to hide weaponry.

And on October the 7th, they went over there and they massacred 1,200 civilians, massacred, mutilated, humiliated them. You're never going to get me to defend Hamas. Sorry. Please don't. I'm not going to. But I'm telling you. I'm appalled by it.

How many civilians have been killed by the IDF in Gaza? We don't know. You know why we don't know? What's your guess? Well, the only numbers we have come from this dubious entity called the Gaza Health Ministry. You know who that is? Well, why does Israel have some kind of count on it? We also know that a lot of the people who were killed were in fact warriors, sadly.

How many kids were killed? We don't know. What's your guess? I don't know. I'm sure it was thousands. And it's thousands of many. That was because the kids were killed. Some of the kids who were killed had been recruited to be in.

the military. Kids as young as 14 years old. They were terrible. I'm just going to pause there for a second. We are going to say goodbye. Thank you Babbage. We are going to say goodbye to YouTube. So if you're watching on YouTube, please hit the like button and head over to Rumble or X or Pilled and join us or just Rumble or X, it looks like, just Rumble or X and join us in the chat. We'd love to see you.

But until we do, goodbye to YouTube. All right. Back to Terror Kids. Do you hear yourself? i just said that there were kids as young as 14 that were recruited to be hamas soldiers who were given arms how do you feel about the kids being killed i think it's horrible you know what i also think it's horrible i think it's horrible that 1200 people were slaughtered by people across the border and 252 people were taken hostage 48 of the 1200 were americans and then when our lives equal when hamas could have ended this on october the 8 and given all the hostages up they didn't

leaving no choice. You're never going to get me to defend Hamas. I'm not pro Hamas. I'm totally opposed to slaughtering innocence whether Hamas does it or whether the government of Israel does it in much larger numbers. And the reason I'm opposed to it is because I believe all souls. I just got to say like that's that's the move there because what Huckabee was doing there is he was trying to pivot to the controlled opposition dynamic where it's like you are

forced to choose a side, right? And they don't really care which side you choose as long as you choose one, red or blue, Republican or Democrat, whatever it is. And the only way to win the game is to not play it, is to step, it's to sidestep the whole thing. And I think that's the move. So I just wanted to point that out. Sorry, it's the, um, the, the false equivalency, right? And the, um, the very pro-Israel people will say this.

I remember that rabbi. I can't think of his name. He did the Candice Owens show before she became, you know, the worst person on the planet, according to everybody out there. This rabbi went on and they talked about her spat with Rabbi Shmuli and all of these other things. But he basically said, you cannot draw an equivalency between the Jews and the Palestinians. But they do it all the time to say why their response needs to be so much worse. And here, Huckabee is trying to drag Tucker into that dynamic, as you said.

And as we discussed last weekend, I stand by my position, it's Lucifer's binary. Whether you love Israel or you hate Israel, if all of your time-focused attention and treasure is focused on Israel, you are doing what the devil wants you to do because that's not what God tells us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, what I said after October 7th, I stand by that as well, which is before we just dive head first into a war. in the Middle East, which I'm still not quite certain that's what that's what we've done, but we'll wait and see. We should make sure that we understand what actually happened on October 7th because,

you know, Huckabee is using this as, as every other commentator is using this as like the moral test, right? Like the moral litmus test for everybody. Well, you have to basically accept everything I'm saying because of what happened October 7th. Well, why did it happen? Who allowed it to happen? Was it a false flag?

Was it actually Hamas? These are very, very reasonable questions because they have compared it to 9-11, and we know what 9-11 wasn't. It wasn't what the official narrative told us it was. So we need to question the official narrative of October 7th as well. Well, we're also not allowed to question whether 9-11 was an inside job. You'll get, you know, I think still to this day, you'll get smacked down by the authorities if you do that. But more people than ever do anyway, right? More people than ever now question whether our government did 9-11.

Was it our government? And I think the need look no further than the behavior of Dick Cheney on that day to understand what was going on there. Maybe Ghost in like 25 years will be able to question October 7. Yeah, right. They're created by God. I do not disagree with that wholeheartedly. But I said how many children have been killed? War is a horrible thing, period.

And we don't know. We know that a lot of the numbers were reported by Hamas. But you said you think thousands of children have been killed. Yeah, and a lot of times, you know why they got killed? Because Hamas would gather up the children and put them in the targets. Do you know what Israel does? They send page messages and they send texts to every cell phone in Gaza and they say, we're going to hit this particular target.

They drop leaflets and they announce where they're going to hit. nobody does that the u.s doesn't do that israel does that in order to prevent are you saying this they do this in order to prevent civilian casualties what hamas does they say oh this is the target and by gunpoint they push people into those various places and then when people get killed they say look israel just slaughter these people even though it was hamas who moved them into harm's way knowing that it was going to put them in a place of danger and death and destruction and they do that because they don't care you say you care about life i care about life it's interesting that they don't care about life not saying that amos does you're never going to get me to defend hummus i'm good i'm anti himmon

said that three times and i i believe your dig at the united states is very revealing why is it revealing because your priorities are very clear no no no yes they are no yes they are and is an american permit me a moment Okay. Of outrage. Because I said many civilians have been killed. You said right in the middle of your elaborate defense of the IDF's killing of civilians, including children, you said they do a better job than the United States does. That's my country and my government.

It's my country. What flag am I wearing here? Well, I'm asking why is it? What flag am I wearing? Well, that's, of course, my flag as well. And it's my flag. It's who I serve. So why the dig at the United States in the middle?

It's not a dig at them. No, no, no, no, no, you've totally misrepresented that. What did you mean by that? I did not take a dig at the U.S. What I'm saying is... So the IDF is more humane than the U.S. I'm saying, military. No, I'm just saying that Israel takes steps that we don't take

and no other country that I'm aware of takes to try to prevent. Because no matter... And that step, just in case you guys missed it, that step is sending the leaflets and the page messages and the text messages to everybody in the region to tell them, what the target is. That's the steps that Israel takes, that America doesn't take that Huckabee is claiming is more humane. What Israel does, they're going to get accused of genocide. That may be right. And I'm, I'm just telling you that they, but then let me ask you on that question.

Okay. That's such a politically loaded. But I resent the idea that you think that I'm not loyal to the U.S. You just said, look, I'm not saying you're not loyal. I'm merely noting what you just said, which was that the IDF takes greater pains in the U.S., our military does, to spare civilian lives. And I guess my question is, when was the last time the U.S. military killed this many civilians? Do you know? Well, it could have been Nagasaki, Hiroshima. Could have been Iraq, Afghanistan. We don't know the full number.

And I think most Christians would say all of those things were atrocities, because innocence were killed in large numbers. and we don't believe in that and so that's not really a defense is it more is a horrible thing Tucker and there are people who end up unfortunately being killed that shouldn't have been i would tell you that i wish that none of those people in gaza had been killed after october the 8th well i say not none of them i'm glad mohammed sinwar was killed i'm glad that some of those warriors that people who masterminded and carried out the atrocities like 14 year old hamas operatives how do you feel at their deaths. If they participated in that, then God help them. I'm telling you, Tucker, I don't know that they were 14 years. No, but I'm telling you that when someone commits the acts

of atrocity and then they hold hostages, if these were your children being held hostage in Gaza, what would you do to get them out? I wouldn't want to kill 14-year-olds. I'll tell you that. Let me ask you something. Would you do whatever it took to get your kids back if they were being tortured, raped, starved, and beaten? I would not kill children, period. Well, I'm just telling you, And I would never make excuses for killing children either. And I'm not talking about targeting children. I'm talking about... You told me that 14-year-olds deserve to die because they're working for...

So, again, struggle session. This is a communist tactic. This is like a Saul-Linsky tactic. But again, all of it is predicated what happened on October 7th. And the question, why did it happen? Why did it take seven hours? Would all these people have been taken hostage if it had taken... if the IDF had responded immediately instead of waiting seven hours to deploy.

That was an order that was given. Who gave the order? No one's been really held accountable other than a few people have been dismissed from their post. So, again, like, the attention is just in the wrong. And if you question that, if you raise that point, you get this, are you saying that Israel delayed intentionally while people were being? being harmed. You're like, well, you know, that's exactly what I'm saying. That's kind of what it is like, you know, can we talk about, oh my gosh, Israel is the most moral, the most humane military

in the world. And if you question that assertion, you're anti-Semitic. Yeah. Telling you, my question is, can you hear yourself? I do hear myself. So do you think a 14-year-old child has agency? Do you think that he deserves to die because he's being used by adults? Isn't his death a crushing tragedy? If he's holding a gun, he's holding a gun? done and he's pointing it at someone who's trying to save a hostage and the only way to save that hostage I'm telling you it war is a horrible thing it's a horrible thing and a lot of innocent people die I think I'm the one who thinks war is a no no no no I think what you don't I'm trying to explain how horrible it is and you're saying that the 14 year old deserve to

die we don't execute 14 year olds in my mouth that I don't know what you're saying never said deserve to die okay I say there are people who die that is unfortunate you actually But I'm saying that you are not giving Israel credit for having them. God helped them. God helped them. I think was his end like, yeah, saying that,

you know, that that's between them and God. There's also the question, right? I mean, we have, when you look at now, like in this Iran war,

the level of weaponry, the level of special operations functions that we have, the ability to do targeted surgical kind of military actions exists, right? So when we hear that, Israel's approach is to paper the place with here's where we're going to strike next knowing full well

that that is going to cause Hamas to bring a bunch of civilians into those target areas ostensibly thinking that would prevent them that would prevent Israel from hitting the target if it's packed with children the answer is it appears to be from Huckabee

well, you know, we told them that's where we're going to hit. They packed it with kids, but of course we have to hit it anyway. Why? The one thing that's always bothered me about this is they know the tunnels, right? They know the landscape and the infrastructure. This is this conflict has been going on for decades. Why is it, why is it kind of this generalized strikes for lack of a better? term why why is it why is it always so well you know Hamas put the kids there but we had to

bomb them that that doesn't make sense to me yeah yeah and I see uh you know new case in the chat says you know but if a 14 year old picks up a rifle on the battlefield then you know they're combatant and you're not wrong when you say that uh and I understand that you know the the horror of war fortunately I don't personally understand it but I understand it from a theoretical standpoint hypothetical standpoint. But again, we kind of have to step back and be like, what are the conditions, the societal conditions that lead to a 14-year-old picking up a rifle on a battlefield and fighting? And when you consider the fact that this place, Gaza, which is five miles by 25 miles, it's a very tiny, Trenchard land, is literally like a concentration camp.

You know, that sort, it begs the question that a line of logic that needs to be followed, that needs to be applied to it of like the, conditions that these people live in and live under that radicalizes them and creates this kind of false binary, this controlled opposition dynamic. And none of that is even entertained by people like Mike Huckabee of like, how could we actually detangle this and like deradicalize these people and de-escalate the whole thing? And the idea of, I don't know, not making it a concentration camp that has never even been considered. Yeah.

And the, so I was just looking for this charity. If you go to like, you know, I don't know if you've ever been to like a Christian concert or a Christian, um, uh, conference.

But there's like world vision and, and these other NGOs that are like child sponsorship kind of things, right? And one of them is called invisible children. And it was a 2006 documentary activist organization called Invisible Invisible Children, aiming to end the abduction and force conscription of children into the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda. This is taking kids, conscripting them into your military conflict, and turning them into soldiers. Like what Huckabee is claiming outrage over.

But we don't have organizations like this focused on the children in Gaza. we don't have that that's it's really just in africa as far as i understand it um where where this is this is happening and um like why are why are these children different because that invisible children thing was shown to in the first decade of this century shown to ever at every christian conference and concert that existed yeah yeah yeah and yeah and i played a clip of this woman Daniela Weiss on Breaking History just now interview she just did with Pierce Morgan. She was the person who kind of red-pilled me like four years ago as like the reality of this situation when I saw an interview that she did back in 2022 where she was straight up asked

like what do you think about like two-year-old Palestinian children die? And she said they're terrorists. Who cares? Like yes, of course they deserve to die. And the person gave her like every opportunity to like revise that statement. like are you really saying yes i'm saying this like basically saying they're all animals they aren't real people um they should all just die and this woman was a mayor of a town in israel for 10 years like she's a politician she has political power um she's obviously so active because she's going on

pierce morgan and you know it really just begs the question like what are we doing and you know why like the ethos that is behind this yeah that's behind the whole thing and yeah and these people aren't Christian. She actually has some pretty nasty things to say about Christianity herself, as do a number of these other rabbi rabbis in Israel. I can sit here and play clips all day of rabbis saying nasty things about Jesus, nasty things about Christians. And it just begs the question. Like for a guy like Mike Huckabee, why are you not questioning those things? Why are those conversations not a part of the diplomacy between Israel and the Christian nation of the United States? Yeah.

And I mean, that is, we're talking specifically about the children being conscripted. You have to ask yourself if you're a Christian, what would Jesus do? Yeah. And I'm pretty sure it's not call for the killing of children. And we've heard this, not just, I didn't hear the video played on. breaking history, but it's a common refrain that while they're terrorists, they're raised from the moment they're born to hate us, right? This is the premise of the war on terror generally. Yes.

Right. These people are, they hate our freedom and they're raised to hate us and they hate Jesus. And so we have to kill them. But the people that are killing them also hate Jesus. They say he's boiling in excrement. And there's there's a real question of what is the Christian principle that should be at play. There is orphans. There are orphans. There is mass poverty. There is a ton of opportunity to be the hands and feet of Jesus.

And you have to ask yourself the question. Does Jesus want those kids to? Does Jesus want, does Jesus have a path and a way and a door for the people in Gaza? Or is he just waiting for the Jews? And it's all just about the Jews. And as long as, you know, every last Jew eventually comes into reconciliation, the ones in Gaza, those are like, they're NPCs. They don't matter because the only thing that matters is the Jews, as Huckabee has been saying this week, they're the foundation of all morality.

Yeah. Foundation of all morality. And we have a moral debt. We have a moral debt to them. So we have to go commit genocide. And don't tell me it's not genocide when it is. the mass killing of one people group in one targeted region. So Jesus wants us to commit genocide over these people because he loves these other people the most.

That is not Christianity. That is using the name of the most high God to build your own kingdom. And it's effectively the original sin of Lucifer. It's jihadism, honestly. You are a jihadi at that point. Like everything that you accuse the other side of being, you actually are. And what this woman says in this clip,

for the sake of time, I'll spare you the three and a half minutes. But she confesses that she says, I want the land between the Euphrates and the Nile, which is the entire Middle East. That's from Egypt to Iraq. And Pierce Morgan presses her and says,

well, what are you going to do to the millions of people that live in that land? And she said, well, and she finally admits, she says, well, what did what did Joshua do when he, he arrived there. That's what I want to do. Oh, that's the next part. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The Amalekites, right? Yes, yes, the Malichites. That's the next part of the interview. But I would say, like, Jesus was of Jewish descent. He walked the earth with Jewish followers. And he irritated them all the time because he welcomed the people that they hated. He welcomed into the fold, the people that they had elevated themselves above. and thought they were better than, and Jesus equalized it.

And he's still, Jesus still equalizes it. And anybody that's telling you that Jesus loves one people, people, group more than another people group is lying to you. And it's a lie from the pit of hell because it's the grand deception that you can somehow, you can somehow get there without the blood of Jesus. You cannot. You cannot be reconciled to God without the blood of Jesus. And I don't care who you are.

I don't care what bloodline you're from. I don't care how many titles and trappings you put on yourself. You cannot be reconciled to God without the blood of Jesus. On everything they possibly could, to a level that, quite frankly, in urban warfare, there has never been a war. He means to criticize Israel, but it's a foreign country, and I would much rather criticize a foreign country than my own. Feel free to do that. They can pamphlet it. But you pivoted against our country.

No, I said a better job than our military has. I simply gave you the illustration, and I helped you understand that Israel goes to links that no other country, including ours, goes to, in the middle of an urban war. And yet, Israel ended up with fewer civilian deaths in an urban war than any urban war of record. You said you didn't know how many civilian deaths there were. So how can you say that? If you took Gaza's numbers, Hamas's numbers, you said you didn't know what the numbers are. We don't. You just told me that. Then how can you say it's a lower number?

But if you took the numbers that they reported, which is like 50,000, 24, 25,000 of those were actual warriors, how many civilians? If you took all the numbers range from 120 to 78, those ones I just read, I don't know if that's real. I don't know either. Those are you. Yeah, and I'm telling you those numbers I've not heard, have not read.

The numbers that I think are more reportable are somewhere in the 60,000 range. Where do those come from? From the Gaza Health Ministry. But you said those were valid numbers. I think they are. I don't think that they're accurate, but I'm saying, let's just assume. You're inaccurate, but they prove that Israel's done doing a great job. Let's assume that the most widespread numbers, the largest numbers that have been reported out of Gaza by Hamas.

Yes. Let's assume they're true. That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying they are true, but assume they're true. Let's just take them at their word. Then you still have a lower number of civilians killed in an end. any urban warfare environment in modern history fact is that a fact yes what are you comparing it to to any urban war name one iraq where in iraq we're in afghanistan we're in iraq we're in

afghanistan there aren't many urban areas in afghanistan i don't think it was any fighting in urban areas in afghanistan i don't know was there was there were there pitched battles in cobble over long periods of time i i don't think 20 years in kubble i don't throughout all of afghanistan but what was so what were those rates you're talking about what are the rates there The number of people who were killed into the tens of thousands. I'm asking you to... I don't know the answer. I've never heard of any of this.

You brought it up. You said the IDF has killed a lower proportion of civilians in urban warfare than in any urban conflict in modern history. I'd never heard that before. I don't know what are the controls for that. And you said, well, America, the U.S. military killed more civilians. Would you agree that the real tragedy was that Hamas continued to force this war? Hold on. You just once again said that the IDF is more humane than the United States military.

You just said that. You said in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. military killed more civilians than the IDF did in Gaza. You just told me, I never heard that before. And my question is, how do you know that? What are those numbers? And I'm trying to tell you that there were extraordinary efforts to keep the number of flag. I think they were tens of thousands. I'll get them for you. That's the only reason I'm pushing you. But you, I'm wearing the flag.

Did you want me to pause it? Yeah, yeah, sorry. You probably couldn't hear me. Yeah, so real quick, I just want to address the fact that, Huckabee is like playing semantics once again with like this numbers thing again this is a war of annihilation they've made that very clear

I mean just look at the pictures look at the pictures of what the places look like where the cities are just the towns are just completely gone it's just rubble and the war of annihilation you know the idea that every able-bodied man wouldn't get up and try to resist the war of annihilation

any of you sitting in this audience right now as red-blooded Americans, if there were tanks in your neighborhood, leveling your neighborhood and killing everybody that you knew, including your family, the idea that you wouldn't resist them in some kinetic capacity is pretty insane. Like, you're a coward. I'm sorry, but I will go ahead and say it, you're a coward.

So, again, I said this at the very beginning of the conflict, the more bombs you drop, the more quote unquote terrorist you create. So it seems to me the intention of the campaign was, one, to annihilate the Palestinian people, or the Ghazan people. And then two, to swell the ranks of Hamas and make Hamas as popular as it has ever been among the local population. Because every bomb that was dropped, every home that was destroyed, every neighborhood that was leveled,

created new Hamas fighters, people who were resisting the people, the people, the army engage in a extermination campaign against them, a genocide. Yeah. And in the next minute, we're going to talk specifically about the moral, quote-unquote, moral justification for that. I work for a country, and you pretended or alleged that somehow I'm not loyal to this and I'm criticizing your own country and I'm not. You just said, they did a better job than the U.S. military in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And I said, what are the numbers? And you said, I don't know. So on what basis are you making the claim that the IDF in Gaza spared more civilians than the U.S. Army and Marine Corps did in Afghanistan and Iraq. Why are you saying? He didn't make that claim, actually. He said they tried to. They take more steps to spare more civilians,

but he did not actually say they spare more civilians. Like, on what basis are you saying that? From the conversations that I've had with the people who fought there, and I don't have the exact numbers for you. But what I'm trying to help you to understand, and I don't think you're willing to go there, is that there was no desire to kill people indiscriminately in Gaza. I don't think there was any desire to kill people indiscriminately in Iraq, Afghanistan.

So here's my question. Let me just say, I think I know a bunch of people served in the IDF, and I don't believe your average IDF soldier wants to kill innocence. I just want to be really clear about that. I don't think most soldiers want to do that. I think a lot of them in our country, in Israel, wind up doing that because that's what war is about and it really hurts them. I know people who've done it personally know them really well, and it wrecks their lives. But I don't think your average soldier wants that in this country or any other. The leadership is a different question. And I want to refer you very specifically to a number of speeches, the prime minister, your friend Benjamin Netanyahu gave in the aftermath of our

October 7th, including one in November of that year, when he referred to Amalek. Now, Amalek is a reference, a biblical reference of course, you'll be very familiar with that. The Amalekites were a tribe described throughout the Bible, particularly in First Samuel, that obstructed the Jews as they fled Egypt. And God tells Samuel to give the instructions to Saul to kill the Amalekites. And he says, and I'm sure you remember this, this is in 1st Samuel 15. Of course, I'm sure, I know you know it. He says, kill the men, kill the women, kill the children, kill the infants, kill the donkeys, kill the camels, kill everything.

And Saul spares the king, and he spares the animals. And for that, he is punished by God. That is genocide. God is calling for genocide of the Amalekites, of Amalek. And the prime minister of Israel, at least once, I believe, on other occasions, described the Palestinians in Gaza as Amalek. That's calling for genocide. And you know that. I totally disagree. Tell me then what it means.

Because to say that Israel was attempting to commit genocide, first of all, that's simply not true. I'm saying, what is the prime minister talking about? Why would he refer to the Palestinians as Amalai? What is Amalek? You would have to ask him. I don't know. I know what I'm going. He is a Christian pastor.

He is not just the ambassador to Israel. And he is not just a Christian Zionist. He is a Christian, allegedly Christian pastor. So I don't know what Benjamin did. Mittenyahu was talking about when he referred to them as Amalek. Really? Yeah. It's a cowardly.

Sorry. I was just saying it's cowardly. It's cowardly. It's cowardly. Yeah. It's cowardly that he won't answer the question. Yeah. It's outrageous.

I do understand first Samuel 16. I get all that. First Samuel 15. But I do understand. It varies and it's widely known. So if you say our enemy is Amalek and we are proceeding on the basis of God's commands to us, you are calling for genocide. Tell me how I.

I'm missing something. Because if Israel wanted to commit genocide, they could have done it in two and a half hours. We can debate what's happened in Gaza. I'm asking you why the least. So that's not an answer to the question except to say, well, it's obviously not genocide because there's still people left. Is that what he's saying? It's kind of what it sounds like. And I've heard that argument made before. So it's not genocide because they didn't go all the way. Because they didn't succeed. But they can. but they can. Don't you question us. You better fear it. You better not walk too far over this line because we can genocide you in two hours if we want to. U.S. ambassador to Israel. Yeah.

Of this country. Just look at the pictures. Just look at the pictures like the before and after of the towns. It's like before their towns, clearly like multi, multi-story buildings all over the place. And after it's literally just a field of rubble. And when I showed those pictures to Cancon, who was in the military, who served in Afghanistan, his jaw dropped. And these were pictures that they weren't, you know, they were pictures that were coming from like the U.S. government. His jaw dropped because he's like the munitions that you would have to drop to achieve that level of destruction, to him was inconceivable.

Yeah, I just want to take a quick side quest really quickly and play this. This came out a couple days ago. It's only 43 seconds. But listening to the Christian pastor talk about genocide. Now listen to what he says here. I get asked all the time because I'm a Christian and they say, well, why are you so supportive to the Jewish people? I said, you can be Jewish. You don't have to have anything to do with Christians.

But you can't be a Christian and not understand that your entire faith is built on the foundation of Judaism. So for Christians, we look at this as an obligation, a moral, debt that we must, we must repay. And therefore, I don't understand anyone who says, I'm a Christian, but I don't really want to support the Jews. How can you do that? But it is not the view of those of us who are, I would call biblical believers that accept that what the scripture says about the Jewish people. And Genesis 12, those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. It gets pretty simple. I say there's a miracle every day in this country. I get asked. It's one of the most repulsive things I've ever heard somebody said. In the beginning was the word

and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The foundation of Christianity is the foundation of the world. It is Jesus. It is the Word of God. And Judaism came much later. And you can't practice biblical Judaism today. Nobody can because they don't have the instruments. They don't have the temple and the Holy of Holies and the Ark of the Covenant and the Mercy Seat on which to practice biblical Judaism.

So what he's talking about is the foundation. of our faith. It's not Judaism. That's a lie. And again, Christian pastor, allegedly. A moral debt? Does the Bible say that we have a moral debt? Yeah.

To the people that are Jewish? To whom specifically, though? Like specifically to whom? And, you know, I think if you ran the logic down to the government of Israel, I think because, you know, he would contain, he would focus it to that. And again, this is idolatry because you have a moral debt to serve a earthly master rather than to serve God, even when that earthly master opposes God through his actions and engages in horrifying sin. And I didn't want to engage in this discussion at all from a geopolitical standpoint, right? But the ambassador to Israel is not making a geopolitical argument.

He's making a moral and biblical argument. So I'm going to take a moment of personal privilege. Just read a few Bible verses. John 219, Jesus answered, destroy this temple and in three days, I will raise it up again. He did that. Right? If you are a follower of Jesus, you believe that he did that. When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, it is finished.

And bowing his head, he yielded up his spirit. John 1930. We talk about this one all the time. ghost, Matthew 16, 5. But what about you? Jesus asked, who do you say that I am? That's Jesus asking Peter. And Peter says, you are the Christ.

You are the son of God. And Jesus says, on this rock, I will build my church. The confession of who do you say that I am? And then Colossians 2.8, I think this one is really important for people to cling to in these times. See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world

rather than on Christ. We have a moral debt to some other people group is that. It's human tradition and it's spiritual deception. Yeah. Thank you for that. Terrible. It makes me very angry because I don't, there is, you know,

Lucifer's false binary, right? There's people worshipping Israel. There's people thinking, that, you know, we have to devote all of our time to the worship of Israel time resources. Lindsay Graham said the other day, we should send all our stuff to Israel. Do you see that one? Yes, I did. That and that guy. But then there's also the people that believe that all of our time, focus, and attention should be to destroy Israel, right? We have to, we have to rip them out. We have to

stop a river to the sea, all of that kind of stuff. Either one of those things, you're participating in the false binary, and your heart and your focus and your treasure in time is not where it's intended to be, not from God's perspective. I think. I don't know. Does it bother you at all? People, I don't know what he meant. I don't know if it was an illustrative metaphor. I think what he was saying was that we're not going to let anything keep us from getting our hostages back. Their sons. He didn't really mean it. He didn't really mean it when he called for genocide. Their daughters who were being brutalized, raped, tortured, starved, beaten. Come on,

Mr. Miss. There are many examples of justice in the Bible. But they're very few. it's accused of genocide regularly. I'm not accusing Israel of anything. I'm saying that the prime minister of Israel described the Palestinians as Amelag. Do you think he attempted to do genocide? I'm asking why of all the references in the Bible and there are many to justice and there are many to reconciliation that is a reference to genocide as you know killing every man, woman, child and infant. I'm quoting and their animals wiping them from the earth. And when they don't do that, they're punished. When you say that at the outset of a war and then you wind up with massive civilian casualties, maybe not as big as they were in Iraq, then I have to ask you what,

what is that? And is that kind of thinking consistent with Western values and with Christianity? Do we as Christians believe it's okay to kill people's children? No, we don't. And neither do the Israelis, because they didn't go after their children. If they'd have wanted to kill all their children, Tucker, they've got the military capacity. They could have done it in less than a day. I've heard you say that. I know. I mean, I guess they could have done. Why didn't they? Why didn't they? I think there are a lot of decent people in Israel who don't want that. But I'm talking to. Do you think that the prime minister wanted to wipe out every single person in Gaza?

Do you think that you think is the U.S. representative of our government? I don't think that that's what he wanted to do. Why are you referring? Christian Zionists regularly talk about turning Gaza into a parking lot. So this is a dodge. This is a dodge off of a long held position because it's politically unfortunate. I can literally play videos of Christian pastors on stage draped an Israeli flag saying, Yeah, saying carpet bomb them all, kill them all, turn it into a parking lot.

I mean, literally when I see that, all I see, that is almost more, I actually view that as more satanic than like when the musicians have like demons dancing around on stage and are like, you know, like overtly doing the cartoon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the cartoonish version of Satan because they are actually, like the pastor on on stage is preaching to Christians and basically leading them away from Jesus. and into something very different. Which is biblical, whole for processing. Jude 4. And again, I think I've mentioned this before, but Jude is one chapter. So it's verse 4 of the one chapter.

For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you, these are ungodly people who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ, our only sovereign and Lord. our only sovereign and Lord. Our moral debt is to God and God alone. And our moral debt was paid on the cross with the blood of Jesus Christ.

And for anybody to suggest that there is some other debt, that we have to pay some other way through some other works in order to not have God curse us, that's Jude 4 apostasy. I think Nikki Haley's quote was, finished them. And then do you remember how many people? people went and signed the bombs. Like, how dark was that? There's nothing Christian.

That was so dark. I skim that. Why? Because I never saw any evidence, any evidence that Israel tried to wipe out every single person. I just gave you examples that they tried to save civilian lives. But I'm not, wait, I'm not, as I've said, and I meanness, I think most soldiers in most armies, including the Israel Defense Force, don't want to kill civilians. I just don't believe that. I think there are some lunatics.

Can I ask you something? You platformed a guy. You had him on your show, Tony Aguilar. Don't platform anymore. Well, you interviewed. Now we're moving the goalposts. Yep. So we can't ask questions about why Netanyahu said what he said.

I've never asked him that, but I can tell you he didn't mean it. Right. That was the answer. I've never asked him. I wouldn't ask him. Well, right, because you'd be thrown out of the country probably. But you, you know, I haven't asked him. But I can tell you he didn't mean that.

Now let's talk about this guy that you platformed on your show and you're going to have to have a struggle session with me about why you talk to somebody who's so super anti-semitic. So I don't platform. Okay. You, you interviewed Tony Aguilar, who claimed that IDF soldiers killed a little boy in his presence. That didn't happen. Okay. It did not happen.

I don't know if you know whether it happened or not. Well, I can tell you why I know it didn't happen. Because we found that little boy less than a week later. All right. I was involved, heavily involved in helping to extricate him from God. four different countries were involved in getting he and his mother to safety get them out of there. Tony Aguilar is a liar. Tony Aguilar claimed that he saw an IDF soldier shoot the little boy.

He was fired from the GHF for cause and he begged for his job back and they wouldn't give it back because they didn't want him. Was that the cause that he was fired for? Was the cause that he reported on an IDF soldier shooting a little boy and he was fired for that? And that's why they say like is that, you know, that kind of circular thing? I don't know the background. And I didn't watch that Tucker interview with Tony Aguilar. Have you? Yeah, I saw.

And I don't, I mean, he was reporting, relaying his anecdotal experience. You know, who's to say that whether he was telling the truth or not? But do you know why he was fired? That's the question. He said he was fired for cause. Do we know what the cause was? Yeah. My understanding is he was fired right after that.

And yeah, I think it was related to that reporting. It was related to him making those statements. That's my understanding. That's what it sounds like, right? It sounds like he's saying that he was fired for that cause, which would support why Huckabee would never have asked Netanyahu about his statements about Amalek. Yeah, and it's worth pointing out that in Israel, they consider reporting information that damages the reputation of the government of Israel

to be a national security issue, which is how they, that's how they justify censoring newspapers, shutting down newspapers, arresting journalists, which they have done. So, you know, they don't have a First Amendment in Israel. And he told him that if they didn't give his job back, that he would burn him down. Okay. So he goes out. No, let me finish this because it's important for you to understand.

Right. So this guy then goes out and makes up this story that he witnessed IDF soldiers shooting a little boy. I don't know that he made it up. He seemed to believe it to me. It's possible he's wrong. I've been wrong many times. Well, this is a little bit more than just missing a fact. He claimed to be an eyewitness to the murder of a little boy.

A little boy that a week later, we found. And you're sure it's the same little boy? We are absolutely sure. How do you know that? Because we have pictures of him. We had descriptions of him. We know his name. We know his mother.

He was extricated out of Gaza. It was a very delicate situation to get him out because if Hamas had found out that he was still alive, they would have killed him in order to validate Aguilar's story. How do you know that? So he gets out. How do you know Hamas would have killed him? Why wouldn't they? Wouldn't they have wanted to kill him? Because that way they could have said that this story was true.

I'm just telling you that this kid is alive today. I have no basis of knowing. I'm really glad because I don't want little kids to get killed even 14-year-olds. You shouldn't want anyone to get killed. But let me ask you, is it true? He also made the claim, and he had audio of it in video, too, that U.S. contractors were using live ammunition to disperse crowds. And he had video of that. Do you know, did he make up that video?

There were times. Here's what happened. Crowds would come toward the sites. They were given verbal warnings. And then they were given additional verbal warnings. warnings and there were shots were fired either in the air sometimes in the ground and if they continue to come and threaten there were times when there were people who were engaged in in firefights that happened oh they were armed sometimes they were they were can you know of

specific instances where they were armed i can probably get you some specific information about that i think i know the answer to that yeah i also know that i recall this and basically the the guy showed video and the video was very compelling uh and it was like there was this long walkway that had like some sort of fencing on either side there were IDF people every IDF guys everywhere I mean the whole thing like and then you see these crowds walk up uh and basically these contractors I guess there are contractors or IDF like whatever whatever they were it's hard to distinguish started just firing the guns in the air and people just started running and you know people were getting run over like the food was just you know there you know there's like grains of

grains whatever they were they were being given were just spilling all over the ground And then, and the aftermath of all of that, I mean, the idea that somebody would be able to walk down this very long path they had, they had, they had roped off to get to where the food was that you could walk down there with a weapon in your hand. I tend to very much doubt that. And then the, and then like afterwards, this kid that Aguilar was saying was killed was walking around like barefoot, like picking up the grains of sand like out of like the mud and like collecting them to eat them. Like it was horrifying to like watch like it was sad never mind whether or not he was actually killed just watching this little kid with no shoes on and like completely covered in filth walking around picking up like grains of rice out of the dirt to eat them. It's like what the fuck are we doing man? Excuse my language but like what are we doing? Atrocities.

Yeah. When when when if someone can make you believe absurdities like there is some other moral debt that we have to pay then you will justify. atrocities. Like, well, we told them we were going to kill them. We were going to bomb that place and they put a bunch of kids there and we had to bomb it. Okay with using live ammunition at aid distribution sites for families, women and children? Very rarely did this happen here. How about at all? Are you okay with that? No, I'll tell you what I'm not okay. No, no, no. I think you are so trying to put words in my mouth. You said that they were firing back, but then there's no evidence that they were.

On a Sunday afternoon, I can remember when there was widespread reports on BBC, CNN and the New York Times and they They said that 27 people were killed at a feeding site. We had video extensively over that site. Not one single person, not only were they not shot, nobody was shot at. There was not one bit of violence that happened at that feeding site. Trying to get me to defend BBC? I'm not going to do that. It's like defending Hamas.

I agree with you. I don't believe anything I see in the media. It's just that it's really simple. If people are using, and these were American contractors. That's also just quick side quest. That's also something that is like a one-sidism kind of thing. Right. Well, I don't see anything I believe.

I don't believe anything I see in the media. Well, it's, I don't believe anything I see in what I believe to be the propaganda media, right? Yeah. But it's all propaganda. All war is deception. All sides engage in propaganda. And one of the things that I think is great about Badlands is pretty much none of us have believed the stories coming out of this conflict from that wretched desert since it began. And we've questioned.

And we've gotten attacked from every single side of this thing for not buying into the most sensational. war narratives coming out of the war region during the fog of war. Yes, exactly. And that's why all my analysis, I try to focus more on how the leaders are engaging with the narratives more so than what the narratives are actually, like whether or not they're true and, you know, like, I don't indulge any of like the horrifying war porn that's on social media.

I think it's rots your soul anyway. But, yeah, I mean, it's all awful. But these are not Israelis. Yeah, I'm aware of. American contractors run by some crypto minister or something was running the group, if they're using a live ammunition at an aid distribution site, that strikes me as totally unacceptable. They were not firing. Does it seem acceptable to you?

They were not firing if people got killed. There's a way to some of those people got killed because Hamas were trying to keep them from getting to the aid distribution sites because Hamas was controlling the food. Hamas made $500 million selling the food that was supposed to be given away for free. I can defend Hamas. And what they were trying to do is to keep people from going to the sites where they were getting food for free when we said CHF up. Hamas Fad. I know, but I'm telling you the first thing that people said was, wow,

this is the first time we've had food that we got for free. Is it okay to buy it? Unarmed people? I just told you it wasn't. That's awful. Yeah, it's awful. Of course it's awful. Are all lives equal, do you think?

Of course they are. So the death of Palestinian is every bit as important significance as the death of it is over time. I don't know. There's a- Candice Owen's got in trouble with that rabbi for saying that. She was accused of drawing a false equivalency between the lives of a Jew and the lives of Palestinian. I can literally play you a clip of that woman I was referring to earlier, Daniel

O'Ise saying that, saying that a two-year-old Palestinian being killed and a two-year-old Israeli being killed are two totally different things. Yeah. Such thing as a human soul that God made that is less valuable than another. I'm pro-life. Me too. I believe that every life has intrinsic worth and value. There's no such thing as a worthless or a completely disposable life. That's what makes me pro-life, Tucker. I totally agree. And I believe that from the conception until the end of natural life. never say when confronted with the death of children, war is terrible because it minimizes the deaths of those children. It's awful. I don't think it minimizes. I think it's outrageous. It's a terrible thing. I wish we never had war. Why do we have war? We're about to have one with

Iran, it looks like. How many Americans... You and your buddies can't stop. You're drunk and addicted to it. Perkins, do you think we'll die in that war? I hope none. None died last year when we participated in the 12-day war, not one. You said 20,000 would die and they didn't. I said could. And they could have. And they could die now. that's a real risk. How many boots on the ground do you think the U.S. is supplied for Israel over the course of its life? How many times have we put soldiers on the... In which region. Ground for Israel? Well, we had the Iraq War, which was for Israel.

No, it was for Israel? How was it for us? Well, because it was a retribution against 9-11. Now, was it the best idea? Was Iraq involved in 9-1? Our government thought so. No. Why are 9-11 documents still classified? I have no idea. Should they be unclassified? I think so. All of them, right?

I have no problem with that. Me too. I like transparency. I like sunlight. I do. I hope you'll call. I like free press. I like free speech. I totally agree. I really, I like all of that. He just said that Iraq was involved in 9-11 and that our government thought so. I don't remember it that way.

Do you? That Iraq was involved in 9-11? That the reason we, the implication of what he's saying is that the reason that we went into Iraq is because of their involvement in 9-11 is for 9-11. Yeah, that's exactly what he's saying. That's not, it was weapons of mass destruction. It was weapons of mass destruction. It was weapons of mass destruction for sure.

We might get another 9-11, right? That was partial justification. But it was weapons of mass destruction. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Afghanistan, I think, was like the accusation was that there were al-Qaeda was hiding out in Afghanistan. Yeah.

Because we went to get Osama bin Laden, right? Yeah, we went into Afghanistan immediately. We didn't go into Iraq for like a year and a half. It was March of 2003. Yeah, they said that at first they said it was nukes, then they said it was chemical weapons. And then come to find out that we actually, Donald Rumsfeld sold them the chemical weapons, Saddam Hussein, in 1980, violating an international treaty that said you can't sell chemical weapons or transfer them. And Donald Rumsfeld sold them all of our chemical weapons from World War I.

Yeah. So again, rewriting history, projection. We apparently went into Iraq for retribution for 9-11, that they have never alleged. to have been a part of. Everybody should watch Codex 9-11, by the way. Brad's movie about this. And specifically drone warfare and drone operations, drone innovation in Afghanistan, big part of that story.

So you can check that out on the Badlands Rumble Codex 9-11. But if no, if there was no connection, I've never seen, I'm open to anything, but I've never seen any connection between the government of Saddam Hussein, the secular bathist government of Saddam Hussein and the terror attacks of 9-11. I don't know that there were. I don't know. So I'm not sure, but I don't know how that that did we spend. that Israel's fault well Benjamin Netanyahu now prime minister of course exerted lots of pressure

openly on the US government to take out to regime change the Saddam government I was there was in Washington and and they complied I don't think there's any way to read it I don't you think Israel leads the US and pushes them and tells them what to do not everything of course you think what I think what I think let me be specific I think the Israeli government strongly pushed the United States to take out Saddam Hussein but there's no question about that I think the Israeli government right now on Bibi Netanyahu who's been in the White House seven times in one year pushing for regime change in Iran. I think they're on the verge of convincing this administration to affect regime. Do you think the president is weak and is being pushed? You're not saying that. I know,

I know the president's being pushed. Why do you think a foreign leader was in the White House seven times in one year? Are you okay with that? That's a lot. You know, Israel is not just a friend or an ally. It is a real partner. We have an incredible relationship with Israel in intelligence and in military, in culture, in values, you know, to be a shock that the Israeli prime minister would have that many meetings. It's a lot. But I want to ask you the question. Do you think President Trump is weak enough to let Bibi Netanyahu push him into something that he doesn't want to do? I don't.

Look, I think, and I don't know, of course, the answer to every question, including this one. But I think the president, President Trump really doesn't like nuclear proliferation. And I don't think he wants Iran to have a bomb. I think he really sincerely wants that. I hope you don't want them to have a bomb. Want them to have a bomb? I don't want anyone to have a bomb, including Israel. I don't know why we're okay with Israel having nuclear weapons.

I'm not. I'm not okay with Pakistan having them. I'm not okay with Saudi having them. Israel's nuclear weapons were created, of course, with nuclear material stolen from the United States, from a nuclear plant in Pennsylvania. As I know you know, I'm opposed to all of it. I don't like nuclear weapons. It's mass murder as far as I'm concerned. So, no, I don't want Iran to have a bomb, obviously.

The question is, what are the potential costs? Do they get to have a civilian nuclear energy program? No, apparently. Or we get to decide who gets. access to clean accessible energy in different parts of the world because of the narrative that there's going to be a nuclear weapon and, you know, it's the, this is a bridge issue. The AI threat and all of that kind of stuff. But it's, it falls apart, one question. Never mind the fact that Israel stole nuclear material from the United States and then France

helped them develop an illegal nuclear program. And you have to factor that into any decision. And what are the cost if they were to get a nuclear bomb? They've said for 47 years death to America, they target us. They targeted President Trump specifically. Yeah, I mean, I'm not for Iraq. Iran, BBC and Hamas, not defending them. Good.

All I'm seeing is, our country is not thriving. And we're spending, you know, tens and tens and tens of billions of dollars over time defending Israel and helping it prosecute all this. You know where that money goes. goes to a lot of places. But let's talk about that a minute. $3.8 billion a year. That money goes right back to the U.S. to purchase weapon systems.

For example, every round of ammo that the ID shoots The military industry is outside. The defense contractors, Raytheon. Let's let him get through the point, and then we'll talk about it. Where I live in Little Rock, Arkansas. The components, a lot of them for the Iron Dome and the Arrow 3 missile defense systems

are manufactured near Camden, Arkansas. Which needs it. By the way, It came to the economically depressed. You know the area. I do. And there are thousands and thousands of American jobs, and there are billions and billions of dollars of expenditures that Israel makes in the U.S. and buys the things that we

have to sell them. Contracting works. I'm from Washington. No, I know this. I guess what I'm saying is America's not thriving at all. And America's Israel's fault? I don't think it's Israel. Okay.

Well, good. I just think that what we're doing isn't working at all. And America is not rich. I think the president is doing some amazing things to get a special. Okay. pause there so um war good because the people at war buy stuff from american defense contractors and it creates american jobs war is a racket smedley bother yeah i mean he literally yeah yeah yeah yeah forward by mike hugby he literally just explained the incentive structure for starting wars because it's like

who benefits the most from wars oh the guys who sell the weapons uh uh Do you know where all the money goes that we give to Israel? It goes to the guys who make the weapons. It's like, yeah, dumbass. Like, we get that. And we're like, stop. And they're like, no, wait, we can make even more jobs. It's like, but can't we?

This is one of the things. Like, if you think about the whole Gaza Riviera thing and like the Riviera in North Korea that you've, you've talked about before that, that Oon is building, we can imagine and build a better world. But we can't do it while we have these millstones continuing to drag us into the same conflicts. And if we continue to incentivize those players, we're always, if you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got. And that's what we're looking at. I think President Trump is trying to do something new. And, you know, when we see the negotiations happening in the region, strategic alliance, sovereign alliance, the realignment of incentives.

in different things. There's not a place for war. Not like this. There's not a place for forever wars. I think President Trump is showing us that the big stick of military strikes, right? We can come in there and level you. But we're not going to do that unless it's a last resort. And when it happens, it's going to be surgical and quick.

It's not going to be 25 years long. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, real quick, before you hit play, just share my screen. Just look at the headline here. Yeah. I mean, that's his guy is drooling. He's drooling and he's walking around with a permanent erection at the idea of sending my, you know, men and women, my children's age to go fight in this conflict that he wants to be prolonged for the next several decades.

Because that piece of guy is. For those just listening, the headline is GOP Senator Lindsey Graham Braggs, quote, we are going to make a ton of money on Iran war. Yeah. And they use the name of the most high God to justify it. Yes. There is, everybody should be offended by this. If you are a follower of Jesus, you should be offended by this. Yes.

And I want to be very clear. I am so grateful to President Trump for pushing this out into the center of the stage, putting the spotlight on it, handing them a microphone, and making this absolutely undeniably known. Yeah, I need to apologize. I'm sorry for making everybody think about Lindsay Graham's erection. It's my fault. I apologize.

I shouldn't have done that. Guys in the chat, mad at me. Sorry, I won't do it again. Back on Trump. Not attacking Trump. Okay. I'm merely saying that over, say, the last 20 years, America's not gotten richer or fair at all. And I come to Israel and the infrastructure, we were flying in.

And I said to my buddy, I was like, man, first of all, it looks great. I love the agriculture in Israel because it's beautiful. I love green. I love plants. I remember when it didn't look like that. Yeah, yeah. First time I came in 53 years ago. It's great.

It did not look like that. Great. Looks a lot nicer than our country. And it has higher standard of living. It has nicer roads than the United States. And so it's like, okay, why are we sending all this money to a country that is a higher standard of living than ours? I don't know that they have a higher standard of living. They do actually.

They have free health care. They also have free abortion. Are you okay with that? I personally don't like that. Why would we be subsidized? Why would we send any money? We're not. Why would we send any money to a country that provides free abortion?

because the money that we send does not pay for health care, it does not pay for abortion. It pays for military. Money is fungible. Don't spend it on this. I'll spend it on that. They do spend it on that. And then we get many more times back in the return of the investment. Why don't we say we're not sending you any more money as long as you have free abortion?

Well, that would be a policy decision. I would be okay with it because I hate abortion. I think it's horrible. How much do you hate it? I hate it. Why are we sending the money if they're paying for free abortion? Because they're not paying for abortions with the money. And because you know what would be cool, ghost is to actually test that, have President Trump say,

listen, we're not going to send you any more money as long as you have taxpayer funded, you know, funded abortion. You have to get rid of that in your country because it's inconsistent with our values. Do you think that Mike Huckabee would be arguing the same point he's arguing right now? Or would he be on the other side? That would be a phenomenal litmus test. President Trump, if you're watching. Yes, if you're watching, please do this.

I want to see what Mike Huckabee. Yes, just to see what Huckabee would do. Just to see what happens. Yeah, because I think he'd be on the other side of the argument. We don't have the right to tell them morally how to run their society. We don't have the right to tell them this or that, but they're our greatest, they're our greatest partner in the region. So we have to continue to give them defense funding.

But don't worry, it's not going to be abortions, even though money is fungible. We, in turn, get billions of dollars. The return of investment is estimated somewhere between 400 and 1,200 December. I just live there and I know, and I'm, by the way, I'm for American manufacturing, the defense industry is totally corrupted. in CD, as you know. However, I like to see American companies thrive. Like, it's complicated. I'm not an extremist or an absoluteist on really anything other than abortion. However, net net, as we say, our country's not really thriving. And we're also totally broke. Is that the

case? Is it because we've done a lousy job controlling our borders, a lousy job of controlling lots of things? It's a lot of things. But we own that. I think President Trump is doing remarkable things to turn it around. I cannot imagine any president. I know, but if you're saying the country is in trouble, let's say we're out of money. Let's get credit to what the president is doing to get us out of debt because I think that what he's doing economically I'm not supporting him and I'm not attacking Trump okay just with those baseline agreements it's also true that like our debt is not sustainable and so given that like what do you think it will cost what what did it cost to move all these to move the fleet off Iran into the Persian Gulf a lot less than it would to bury a lot

of Americans if they ever got a long range ballistic missile a lot fear fear fear not less yeah I don't want you to understand that when Iran has told us for 47 years they're going to kill us do you think they would do it if they had the capacity militarily? What would happen if Iran took out any of the energy facilities in the Gulf, took out a bunch of them? What would happen to the United States economy, do you think? Well, our economy probably would survive because we have energy independence, thanks to President Trump. We would survive. Our economy is based on our market.

We currently do not have energy and independence. We currently are still dependent on foreign countries because a lot of that production was shut down. during the Biden administration. Yeah, and the, but we are resilient during this conflict because we just seized Venezuela. Yes, correct, correct. What do you think?

It would be a terrible thing to happen globally. It's why Iran is a global threat. It's why Iran through its proxies, Tucker, this is another thing. They're not blowing up energy infrastructure right now, but if we try to regime change them. Someone is in Saudi, right? The oil fields bombed in Saudi.

Oh, yeah, Ramco, the largest refinery in the world was bombed. And the Iranians said they didn't do it. They admitted to bombing other places in Saudi, but they said we didn't do that one. They have said that they will. I don't know if they will or not. I don't either. Is that a risk that they have their own problems to defend if they try to do that and they lose their own energy capacity? So if they took out, and again, I don't know what's going to happen.

And I guess we're not supposed to think about worst case because that makes us pro-Islamic or something. But I'm an American and I don't want a depression in our country. It's too fractured and the stable right now. I don't think we want that at all. None of us want that. Not right now. We don't. Not at all.

I don't want it next year, next week. 10 years from now. All these states are basically in a state of insurrection against the federal government. They're not enforcing the most basic law of the land, which is immigration. And thank goodness President Trump is pushing back. And he's agreeing to force. If all of a sudden. Compliance.

Markets just tanked and gas tripled or whatever. And you had, you know, like a severe recession or something worse. That's a massive cost. And I don't see anybody factory. in that possibility iran has said it will do it you've said 10 times they're evil okay i believe you then why wouldn't they take out the kutari gas fields they share with kutkir were refining petrochemicals extraction in any of the gulf countries that that would cripple us let's well are you worried about that again we have independence because president trump put measures in place that gave us the capacity

we set international energy prices in the united states in some ways we do because our own market and our own production has a whole lot to do with what those world costs are going to be you took Saudi energy production or Katari energy production or Emirati energy production offline. That is making an assumption that if there were regime change, that they would be more effective at attacking than we would be defending. And that's a pretty... Can we defend the straightsform moves? Can we defend all of that energy infrastructure? Is anyone even asking these questions or it's all like a Markle event episode? They're bad. They are certainly asking the questions. That's part of the whole process.

I'm just saying, is it... I've raised this before and it's like, shut up, Katarlson. You're taking money from the jihadis. I've never taken a dime from anybody, obviously. I just care about the United States and it freaks me out. And no one else seems worried about this. And caring about the U.S., you should care about the fact that the proxies of Iran have moved globally. Twelve central and South American countries have Hezbollah, deeply embedded. Venezuela, one of the worst. They're in the Western Hemisphere already.

Do we know how many... Where would you rank that on the list of concerns for the average American, Hezbollah? I doubt that most Americans think about it. I think about it because I know what they do. I know that if it weren't for Iran, there wouldn't be Hamas, there wouldn't be the Houthis. There wouldn't be Hezvah. We wouldn't have the problem on the border with Lebanon. We wouldn't have the problem with Yemen.

We wouldn't have the difference. It's actually not true. I'm an American. I'm not having. Hesbelot was the political movement founded in, I believe, 1982. That then became a militant movement later. And the movement was formed. The sole purpose of the political party was to expel the IDF from southern Lebanon

after they were invited in to chase down Yasser Arafat and the Palestinians who were operating in Beirut. So once that mission was achieved, they said, please leave now. And the idea of said, I think we're going to stay. And it took them 18 years to get them out. So just wanted to clarify that point. Thank you for that. And I love the fact that he says, where do these geopolitical issues rank in the mind of the average American? And he starts talking about the conflict on the border with Lebanon.

Like, no, we don't actually. I mean, I think most Americans are as xenophobic as I am. any problems on the border with Lebanon right now. I live in Maine. We don't have problems on the border of Lebanon. Like, what are you even talking about? No offense. There's 700,000 Americans who live in Israel, for one thing. Does that matter to you? Of course. Every American life matters matters. Okay, well, good. Every life you say matters the same.

So that should matter. When they start... My country, like, I'm just saying like, shelling civilians and civilians get killed in this place. That should matter to all of us. I mean, there's a genocide going on, like, in all kinds of different countries. There's a lot that's sad and broken about the world. We know that as Christians. Satan rules the world.

But our job as like members of a nation state to look after our community, our families, right? So I don't think any of the concerns that you've just raised, which I think are all real. I'm not disputing them at all. Or even in like the top hundred for Americans. So how can the US government be spending this much time and money worrying about

things that are not on the list of Americans' concerns? Do we have self-government? Does it matter what Americans actually think or it doesn't it? Of course it does, but it also matters. How much does it matter? What the threat is to Americans? Do you think there's a threat to Americans because of the proliferation of the proxies and Iraq? Conceivably there is. I'm not pro- Iran.

But beyond conceivably, do you think that they mean it when they say for 47 years? We've got a threat from drug cartels like in my town and no one's doing anything about it at all. And I'm hearing a lot about- And I'm hearing a lot about- No one's doing anything about it at all. Okay, that's a fact. We have a huge country. This is a country the size of New Jersey with no resources.

You know, it's just a tiny little country. We're from a huge continental-sized country that's totally diverse, very, very hard to manage and police. And we have a lot of problems. And I just think if you ask Americans, what do they want to say? spend their time and money worrying about fixing, proving. No one's going to mention the board with Lebanon that I know. Do you think? I doubt they will. But I would like to think that there are people that the U.S. government has monitoring what

the threats are to Americans long term. Sure. Do you think there's a threat? The question is, I mean, the CIA, right? And the Five Eyes intelligence and Mossad, they're monitoring the threats. And they come up with things like, oh, my God, Iraq is such a threat because of weapons of mass destruction, then we go into 20 fucking years of war. So the people monitoring the threats to America that keep trying to keep Americans

pinned in fear about all these foreign threats that never really materialize except in war. And usually when we're striking first. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like now, right now the big sci up that's spinning up is there are sleeper cells, Iranian sleeper cells in the country that are going to start attacking, like engaging in terrorist.

that tax against Americans. And it's like, oh, are they doing that? Like, let's just assume that's actually true. Are they doing that because we're like currently bombing their country right now? Is that, is that why that would be happening? And would they be doing it otherwise? I mean, of course, I think this is just the CIA Mossad telling us that they're about to start killing Americans, but I digress. Yeah. And folks in the chat are asking how many of those 700,000 Americans in Israel are fleeing justice. Yeah. Which is a fair question.

That's an anti-semitic actually. It's very anti-semitic. You can't ask that. Yeah. No, they're all just settlers. It was 37 years. Well, but I don't know that Saddam ever said he was going to take down America. But the Iranian regime has said for 47 years they are.

But you just, if they had to capacity. I mean, they're really bad at it, though, because it's been 47 years. You have a long-range ballistic missile and nuclear capability. Do you think they'd light that puppy up and send it to us? I don't know. But I know this from sitting here last year for wars that I went through in less than a year. The Iranians rained down ballistic missiles. Can I ask you a question? How much does it matter what Americans think? Well, it matters every bit what Americans think. That's why Americans vote. It's why Americans have the opportunity to have free speech. We wanted to have that. Okay. So what percentage of Americans support a war with Iran? I don't know. Do you know? I do it. I think it's run. I saw the numbers yesterday. I think it was like 21%. Okay.

we want them to have that he said did you hear that and I just back that up just a slight yeah back it up again I went too far sorry at the world

we know that as Christians Satan rules the world we're from a huge continentalized country from sitting here last year four wars that I went through in less than a year the Iranians rained down ballistic missiles can I ask you a question how much does it matter what Americans think

well it matters every bit what Americans think That's why Americans vote. It's why Americans have the opportunity to have free speech. We want them to have that. Okay. So we want them to have that. Who are we and who are them? Because he keeps telling us that he's wearing the American flag.

That's my country. This is my flag. This is my flag. But he talks about Americans as them. Weird. Yeah. He's about to contradict himself, though. So just give him a second.

We want him to have free speech. We want them to feel. That's why we have them vote. We have them vote so that they can feel like they can have a voice. But it doesn't actually. really matter. What percentage of Americans support a war with Iran? I don't know. Do you know? I do it. I think it's run. I saw the numbers yesterday. I think it was like 21%. Okay. Is that enough to have a war with Iran? We don't live in a world where you have a poll taken to find out whether our policy

should be a particular direction. I thought you just said that we vote. No, we care deeply about it. But on the other hand, do we make the decisions of foreign policy and even domestic policy based on what the latest about it in what sense how if we're ignoring it then in what sense do we quote care deeply about it well i think we care deeply when we see there's a threat no but about americans opinions so you've got 350 million americans um they vote they voted in this last election on the basis in part of the promise no more wars okay so now we're about to have a war looks like 80% of people are against it in that range let's say 70 but nowhere near majority support for this war and it's not direct democracy but it is a form of democracy it's representative democracy

The ultimate form of democracy in our system in a republic because we're not a true democracy. Exactly. Right. It's a mediated democracy. It'll be an opportunity for Americans to vote. If they think that we've made the wrong policy decisions, I personally think the president is making the right policy decisions. But I guess, but you just said it matters deeply what Americans think. And if the overall majority are against it, in what sense does it matter? Because what I hear is, it matters what they think, but it really doesn't matter what they think because. No, you take it in. You certainly ingest that. And then what you do wants to ingest it. Then you make sure that you have. Then you poop it out. And, you know, maybe there's some nutrients that remain in your body that might shape some bit. But great, great metaphor. No, it just got to. It goes out the other end, obviously.

No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't, Tucker. But you also have information that the average American may not have. They may not know what the threat is. How many Americans know that Hezbollah is in 12 Western Hemisphere countries? How many Americans care? Well, I would hope they would all care. How many Americans know how many people from Iran from terrorist cells have come across Joe Biden's open border?

I can just say as a geopolitical nerd of badlands, I don't care. As someone who actually tracks this stuff on a daily basis, I don't give a shit. Couldn't care less about what he just suggested. Yeah, but to the extent that he's accurate and that there are all these foreign terrorists that are coming here because they want to kill us because they hate our freedom and they hate Jesus and all of the things that these people say,

to the extent that that is true, have we not earned that through pursuing exactly the same policies that he's advocating, we continue in the region that have led to the world being what it is today. But didn't he, but I may have misheard of what he just said, but didn't he, wouldn't he talking about Hezbollah operating in other countries? 12 countries in South and Central America, the implication being their way closer to the U.S. homeland. Okay, okay. But, but again, like, we, we give our government trillions of dollars every year to protect us.

So, and he just talked about how significant the, like, intelligence, you know, security, surveillance apparatus so surely those people would would know these these entities are and prevent them from entering our country right like surely they wouldn't allow them into our country to conduct these operations right well i don't think that's true and don't call me surely about that okay you why haven't they been by the way we've moved now to 1.5 speed because we are finishing this thing in three parts yeah round it up but they're trying but you got all these blue state mayors and governor's making it very difficult. I get it.

I get it. But thank God, President Trump is trying to get it done. Look, I'm totally off for that completely. I guess what I'm saying is that most Americans, over, I've never met American who thinks other than like the people who have ideological reasons to pretend they think it, that the imminent threat to America is anything having to do with Iran. The imminent threats to America include like bankruptcy from too much debt, your son ODING on fentanyl, your neighborhood completely changing because unlike Israel, Americans

don't have a right to their country. It can just be completely changed by their legislature. New people can show up from foreign countries and not speak your language and there's nothing you can do about because you don't have a right because you're not BB. Can you feel resentment because it's real? I'm not against Israel. I'm against the total destruction. You hide that very well.

I'm mad at my lawmakers for not protecting my country with the care they've protected Israel. Yes. I don't think that your country, my country, our country, has spent that much time protecting yours. I'll ask you a little bit of go. They've had no time protecting my country. No, I ask you. Well, actually, they do. Excuse me.

They're the tip of the sphere of the sphere. There's a secure border in the world, sir, the most surveilled border in the world, sir. Charlie Kirk pointed out that every 15 feet along the border of Israel, there's a 19-year-old with an AR-15. Excuse me, sir. why don't we have that at our southern border, sir? They have in our country? Things that are targeted toward us often go through them. How do we have 60 million illegal aliens if they protected my country?

Well, we didn't protect our country because we had a president that opened up the borders and didn't give a rip. This is what's been going on since we're coming in. It's Democrats fault. We just blame the Democrats. It's the Democrat. So our country sucks because of Democrats, not because of the whole of institutional support for globalism and the expansion of democracy. democracy around the world. And it's not, I don't think that our country sucks because of Israel.

I think that our country sucks because of globalism. And all of the, the expansionist policies that have gone to that, the premise of globalism is that Americans have to have to take a knee. Americans need to need to take a seat so the rest of the world can rise. And our lawmakers, to Tucker's point, I'm angry at my own lawmakers, absolutely I am. And it's the same issue I have with the election narratives. Everybody wants us looking at Venezuela and mad at Venezuela for stealing elections.

No, the Americans don't get to get off the hook because the Americans are the ones who are supposed to be watching the store. The Americans are the ones who put their hand on their holy book and they swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution and then immediately set out to overturn it, to change it, to expand it, to progressive reading of it. He's spot on. Yes. It's Reagan, 1986. That's 40 years. President Trump, the credit for having closed the border. I'm giving me, I love the fact.

I campaigned for Trump because he said he closed the board. He did. Amen, thank you, Trump. But we had Reagan. Then we had Bush. Then we had Clinton. Then we had Bush again. Then we had that guy, Obama.

And then you know the presidents. Yeah. And they all presided over my country's total transformation from a nice, clean, affluent, orderly society into like a pretty confident world, actually. That's not protecting us. That's behaving with total contempt for my country. You said a moment ago that we do more, are you inferred, that we do more for Israel than we do for ourselves.

Do you believe that? I didn't say we do more for Israel. It's like, but where's the care? Where's the concern? Where's the, holy smokes. There are drug cartels in your neighborhood. You're telling me about the border with Lebanon and like Hezbollah or Hezbollah or whatever you call it in some Latin American country. I don't care.

They're drug hotels in my neighborhood. I know people who died of fentanyl from. Where the fentanyl come from? Probably from China. From China through Mexico. Yeah, the fingers or chemicals, they say come from China. I get it. And who's in that axis with China?

Iran. Larry Fink is in that access with, no, actually. Actually, the heads of our biggest corporations are in that access with China. I don't care about Iran at all. I care about America. And if blowing up Iran makes my country richer and safer, I'm for it. And if it doesn't, I'm totally opposed. It's that simple.

I think most Americans feel that way, no. I ask you a question a little bit ago you never got back to it. Because I think it's an important one. Because one of the things that I sense of tension with you, you feel like that we do too much for Israel. We're getting nothing from it. And I ask you how many, how many boots on the ground has the U.S. placed on behalf of Israel.

However many, went to Iraq. We did that for Israel. No, I don't think we did. You said we did it because of 9-11? That was the U.S. justification for it. But it wasn't for 9-11. So what was the actual reason? Well, the U.S. government told us it was for 9-11.

They told us that they were part of that. They had weapons of mass destruction. They had no evidence. So what was the actual reason? Israel was not in that component. Israel had no influence on our decision to invade Iraq. That's not what the people who made the decision. They say, they say Israel.

Let me get back to the point. gave us that information about the fake weapons of mass destruction. What did the question came from beating? How many Americans put their boots on the ground for Israel? The answer is zero. Everybody who served in Iraq put their boots on the ground for Israel. Did not. where did we get the information about the weapons of mass destruction that wasn't real?

I didn't get that from. You're saying we got that from Israel? Did Israel was one pushed us into that? Well, absolutely. You really believe that? I know that for a fact. Or so does every... Yes, this has been not widely written about and discussed.

And I'm not attacking Israel. They thought it was in their interest to take out a government that was paying the families of suicide bombers. I get it. I'm not mad at. I'm mad at the Bush administration and all the people who went along with this to the detriment of my country. That's who I'm mad at. Not Israel.

I want my leadership to do the same for my country. That's it. I think the president leadership is doing just that. I just want to address a comment, and I'm not picking on you, but I, but this is, this is important to bring up because Matt and I were just talking about this at the end of our show. Poison Pond, this argument is a waste of time and a distraction. Neither Tucker nor Huckabia are actually relevant and President Trump's plan to dismantle the new world order. This argument is actually extremely important because we are now, since this interview has taken place, in a war with Iran. and our foreign policy platform, our state department,

seems to be completely centered around what is in the best interest of Israel. And unfortunately, like, we have ignored this conversation, this dialogue for decades to our detriment. And if we were having this conversation 25 years ago, maybe we could have avoided everything that happened in the Middle East over the past 25 years. So we are going to have this conversation, and we're going to have it ad nauseum.

We're going to talk about religion. We're going to talk about all of it. The Jews, Israel, the diaspora, all of it. Jesus. Jesus is really important in this conversation. Yeah, Zion is the justification that is used for these people. They, I'm going to call Huckabee and his ilk, they, for their justification for war, they use Jesus. They use, well, your savior is a Jew.

So you have a moral debt to the Jews and we have to protect them till the end. We have to be the ones to wrap our arms around Israel and get her to the end so that she can have her separate path of redemption with God. That's apostasy, heresy. That is a false gospel.

And they're using the name of the Most High God to justify deception and death and destruction. And they're calling that good fruit. Woe to them who call good evil. evil and evil good. Why is it that Mike Huckabee bragged at the beginning of this thing as being the first Christian Zionist to ever sit in the seat? I haven't heard of mention Jesus at all.

Have you? No, never. Absolutely not. Truly do. And I don't think that it's at all accurate. To even intimate that tiny little Israel is pushing the U.S. into something it does not want to do. Our leaders appear to want to do it.

Our public does not want to do it at all. The public does not want war with Iran. Bibi does. He's gotten seven, seven trips to the White House. The average American question doesn't, hold on. The average American doesn't have that level of access. And a foreign leader does seven in one year. And now we're moving toward war with Iran.

The average American doesn't want that war. The average American is outraged. Don't you understand? I understand that we had the strongest president I've ever seen in my lifetime going back to Eisenhower for a second. No, no, no. Listen to me, Tucker, for God's sake. I'm not attacking Trump.

I know, but you're making it sound like that he is being pulled into something that he really doesn't want to do or pulled into something because he's persuaded. I'm neither saying that nor implanted. I was in the meeting last week. I was in the meetings last summer. I can assure you, President Trump is not being led into something at all by Prime Minister Netanyahu. To be clear, I'm neither saying that and we're implying it. What I am stating out loud is true.

And that's that Prime Minister Netanyahu, B.B. Netanyahu has way more influence over Americans foreign policy than Americans do. And we know this because he wants a war with Iran, the overwhelming majority of Americans don't want to war with Iran. And we're very likely to get a war with Iran. So who has more influence, Benjamin Netanyahu or 80% of Americans. I'm saying that's outrageous. That's all I'm saying. I would counter that. Bibi Netanyahu does not want a war with Iran.

To say that he wants a war, you know who's going to be at the very front of that? His people. And I don't agree with that. I'm with him enough to know he does not want a war. Does he think that there may be a necessity of taking a war in order to prevent an attack on not just Israel? I don't want to be argument. I think I know too much. I mean, let's be real.

Okay. So there was, you know, Steve Wickoff, in my opinion, that's just a sterling guy. He's a good guy. That's my view. And pro-American and just couldn't be nicer and wants the right thing. He and maybe Jared two are involved in negotiations. with Hamas. Are you mean with Iran?

With Iran. Yeah, I'm so sorry. And the Israeli government short-circiss it by hitting Iran. So like they- What do you mean they short-circuit about hitting Iran? They did everything they could to shut down the negotiations between the United States, the Trump administration, and Iran. And look, I wouldn't, they're acting again in their own interest,

but our country should also act in its own interest. That's all I'm saying. And so don't tell me that BD doesn't want a war with Iran. He doesn't. If Jared Kushner and Steve Whitkoff could be successful in getting the president's demands, and keep in mind, these are the presidents demands. No enrichment, no nuclear weapon. Man, that, that comment just aged like milk on a hot summer day. Bibi doesn't want to war with Iran.

Yeah. Ugh. Tens of thousands. You and I both agree that it's a horrible thing to kill your own citizens, which Iran is a horrible thing. It's not what Marco Rubio said and then walked back. To kill anybody's citizens. We agree on that, except that they're 14-year-olds working for Hamas. No, it's still a tragedy.

No, it is. Sorry, I'm being a jerk. You really are being a joke. I am, I know, I know, I'm such a jerk. I'm going to write down. You're right. You're right. I know. He's a jerk.

Oh, I am a jerk. Everyone knows that. I mean, I'm trying to. Okay, okay. No, but I agree with you 100%. Of course it's a trash. If that could be done. And I pray it can.

Yes. And you know why? Number one, because it would be wonderful for everybody. Number two, if there is a war, you're going to be six thousand miles from it. You know where I'm going to be a war? No. do Israelis want there to be a war? No. I'm sure. I'm sure the US

RASTA is like really going to be exposed. Like he doesn't have some like very super safe bunker that he's going to be hold up in that he's hold up in right now. I'm sure he's totally exposed like the average Israelis, you know, to missile attacks. By the way, like him saying that Tucker's a jerk, I'm going to write this down. This is literally the epitome of why we hate politicians because they can't,

they can't do this. They can't sit down and do have long form conversations where they're scrutinize and ask difficult questions. And he's actually being asked pretty easy questions for a Christian pastor. Very basic, like theological questions that he refuses to address. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think, I thought you were going a little bit of a different direction with that.

I thought you were going to say, we hate them because of this kind of fake outrage kind of dynamic thing happening. You're a jerk. Oh, I know. I'm such a jerk. Yeah. Yeah, well, that too. But I mean, but yeah, it's like.

He's, he, you can tell that there's, that, that there's real animus there behind Huckabee where he's like, he's like, he's like, damn you for, like, damn you for putting me in this position right now. Same kind of attitude that I think Ted Cruz had toward the end of their discussion. Yeah. It's not a good look. In front of war. Not a good look for the people that are allegedly claiming to have the right Jesus position in the exchange. Right now. What are those seven fronts?

Well, you got Lebanon. You have Egypt. Now, Egypt is not an active war. But you have the Muslim Brotherhood within Egypt. Oh, actually it is. Oh, but you're wrong because in the past five, ever since the Iran War started, Israel has now decided to restart the war with Lebanon.

So again, another comment that is aged like milk on a hot slender day. You've got Syria with the fighting war with Jordan with the Muslim brotherhood that is in Jordan, not directly to Jordan, not the government of Jordan. But are they, you've got Hezbollah, you've got Lebanon, Poutis in Yemen. You have Hamas in Gaza. You have the threats that come from Iran. and how many is that? That's seven.

That's seven. Okay. I'd give you an eighth one. You know, the eighth one? The media. No, I would tell you, there's an eighth front war. How many journalists is Israel killed in Gaza? I don't know.

Over 200. Are they real journalists? Because a lot of those people that were supposedly journalists were actually Hamas fighters. We have to be honest about this. Like, we did this back in the day with the Antifa, right? I was super annoyed that as a journalist, I was locked in my room on, on January 6th, 2021 in Washington, D.C. But the Antifa journalists were allowed to walk around where, you know,

it's just Antifa bros with a vest on that said press, you know? Well, they're a real journalist. Only makes me laugh. No, sure. Yeah, of course they were. I ask you, how many are actual journalists? You know, I don't know, but a lot of them were. I mean, they worked for big news organizations and they had press written on their chest.

Some of them had UNRRA cars, and they were also working for Hamas. So you can say, do you think that over 200 journalists killed and guys are all-faked journalists who deserve to be killed. I have no idea how many the total number is. I don't have their credentials, but I know that there were quite a few. There were actually Hamas fighters that protected Hamas. Ask the hostages. The hostages came back and they started telling about the number of people. I wonder if he would define a journalist who told positive stories about Hamas and Gaza as a combatant. Not that they were, they didn't have a weapon in their hands, right? But that he would call, like, they're, they're, because he just said they protected Hamas, right? That.

That to me says they're reporting. Yes. Yes. But again, First Amendment should matter to the U.S. ambassador, even though the country that he's the U.S. Ambassador too doesn't have one. The First Amendment still matter. And remember what I said before, that this is official Israeli national security policy,

that any time a journalist puts out information that is damaging to the reputation of Israel, that is a threat to the nation of Israel and treated as a national security threat. Yeah. That were doctors and hospitals that held them hostage in their homes. Are the number of people who are pretending to be journalists who are actually holding them hostage? As someone who's telling you that there's a lot more to. As someone whose tax dollars helped pay for killing all those civilians in Gaza, I feel like I have a right to know how many were killed.

And Israel won't let outside observers into figure it out. And I'm frustrated. My last question is about Christians, both Christians who visit and Christians who live here, particularly in the West Bank. I spoke to someone recently, a Christian minister who grew up in a town right outside Bethlehem, we would know it as Shepherds field in the New Testament where the shepherds were tending their flocks in Matthew. And of course, the angels come to announce the arrival of Jesus in nearby Bethlehem. His family's been Christian. He says for 2,000 years. He says his where he grew up is now surrounded by

settlements of people who are not from Israel at all, while them are from the United States, Jewish settlements. They have different roads that the native Christians are not allowed to use. I don't quite know how that works. And he described the story where his mother was shot outside their house by an IDF soldier for reasons no one ever explained. She survived, but no one was separate punished border even explained why they did it he basically described being terrorized by settlers uh and i wonder if that's a concern for you for the native population the indigenous population did you say this happened in bethlehem it happened in shepherdsfield so it's a christian village beths of where i think is its name outside bethlehem if it's in bethlehem it's not in bethsopur i believe

is the name of the village because there are no israelis in bethlehem none there are no jews in are there are there are new settlements outside bethlehem where he is from uh over in in area c but not in area a there are none. Well, he describes the town he grew up in, and I guess I wonder why a Christian whose family's been there for 2,000 years. There are Palestinian Christians throughout today and Samaria. That's true. I've been over to visit him. I know you have. I know you have and some have been, you know, I've advocated for some that are Muslim, but they're American citizens and we advocated because there was a- But why can't they just drive into Jerusalem to go to the Church of the Holy Sepulker? Why do they need a permit to do that if they're from there? Because of the acts of terrorism that

has made it impossible to do it? But they're not how many suicide? You know how many suicide? So what do we do? Just say you're a Christian? Oh yeah, I'm a Christian, but you're wearing a suicide bomb? do Christians do suicide bombs? They could. If all they have to do is just... What the fuck? Say, announce I'm a Christian. There were over a thousand...

Why don't just get a debt card? I'm Christian. Let me just finish this. Before Israel put the... To your knowledge, has that happened? A Christian has strapped on a suicide vest and said, oh, I'm a Christian. Let me in. And then they've gone and blown up either a holy site or wherever.

Is that happened? I've never once heard of that. I've never heard of it either. Yeah, never. Not one time. Yeah. the green line up which by the way that kind of begs the question of tequila like people like to bring play the tequila card it's like whoa then why hasn't that yeah why hasn't that happened uh you know why haven't they pretended to be christians same shit different luciferian religion great care to put checkpoints in place there were over a thousand suicide bombers in one year it was often i remember it but i don't think any of them were christians and they might not have been okay but my point is we can find out if they were so you're saying we just trust somebody if they come up and say i'm a christian i just want to go to the holy sepulner let me in what i'm saying is that Christian Jesus tells us to test everything in the spirit.

Christians have a right to go to the Holy Sepulchre? Israel does not own it. They've had possession of it since 1967. It doesn't belong to BB. It belongs to me and you and every other Christian. Baby was probably a young person. I'm not even sure he was. No Christians should ever be barred from the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.

Should Christians be barred from Joseph? I don't know. Let's just start with the Church of the Holy Sepul. And I don't understand what grounds they are. Well, they can't if they're Christians, it bets so hoar. So I don't understand why they're a threat? They're not a threat. And why won't you as the Christian minister,

U.S. ambassador to the state of Israel say to the Prime Minister, You can't allow this. Your country exists in part because American Christians support you, so you have to treat us well. Part of the problem, Tucker, is that in the Palestinian Authority, and that's what we're talking about, there are Christians. Look, I know some of some Christians who live in Bethlehem, and that is area, and that is 80-plus percent Christian, and some of the Christian that I personally know and know well are Zionists. Let that surprise you. They're Zionists. And some are really anti-ohist. Okay. So in the Palestinian Authority, they still teach children from the time they're five, years old that the greatest thing in the world is to kill Jews and if they end up being a martyr and if they kill Jews they will get a pension for life if they die and if they don't they'll get a paycheck for life and their families will and it's called the prisoners and martyrs fund it's we call it pay for slay in the u.s it is against our law a lot of christians collecting on that i don't know zero

so my question remains and i'm a little bit frustrated at this point because i'm not defending him as i hate suicide bomb i hate suicide i hate violence i hate the killing children period why can't a christian who was born there whose family's been there for two thousand years following Jesus for 2,000 years, drive because it's really close to the Church of the Holy Supplifer. He poses no threat. And why can't the United States government advocate for him to do that? We do advocate for Americans because that's our job. And it doesn't matter whether Palestinian or Israeli. We do that. But as far as when they... How many Americans are being held in Israeli prisons right now?

Total. I don't have an exact number on that. I don't know. How can you advocate? What does he know? Like this is so every time he's asked a pointed question, you would think that knowing the data of Americans in the country is one of the things that. that you would know if you were the ambassador to the country sitting down to do an interview about the country. But anytime he's asked a question that gets into actual factual landscape on the ground, he says he doesn't know. And he asks like it, he acts like it's some kind of gotcha kind of thing.

Right? I don't know those numbers. What numbers do you know? Especially like since the moments that went viral that kind of made Ted Cruz look bad was that he didn't know like the demography, like the demographics of Iran. So you would think you would at least like hit up Wikipedia as you're walking in the interview and be like, you know, it's like, I think they said it was an hour long drive from the embassy to this airport. It's like, hey, maybe like pull up Wikipedia on the phone and just be like, oh yeah, like let's see how many Americans we have living here right now.

Yeah, maybe. Okay, for them if you don't know how many there are. Well, everyone that we know, we go visit. Our consular goes there almost every week and visits the Americans. It's not a large number as far as Americans. But when we have them, we go, we go to their trials when they're on trial. So yeah, we do a lot more than you've given us credit. Oh, I'm giving you credit.

No, no. Okay, please. I'm thinking you doing that because we don't get much. We don't get much. By the way, not every embassy does that. I happen to know for a fact. They don't advocate for Americans in jail. We take our consular services across into the Palestinian Authority and help people over there.

Some of those are Christians. Some are not. Some are Muslim. But if they're Americans and they have American citizens, but they're an American passport, we help them. That makes me so happy to hear. I go to Ramallah. I sit down with the vice president and the prime minister of the Palestinian Authority.

We try to work ways to make things better. But the reason that sometimes it's not just a absolute free passage I'll tell you why, because there are too many incidences of terrorist acts, and Israel is not going to allow themselves. But the Christians didn't do it, and they're not going to do it, and Christians pay for all of this. They pay for a lot of this. It's very, you can say it's unfair, but here's... You can't punish the innocent. How's that? But you got to somehow make sure that you screen people, and that's why the checkpoints.

Let me tell you what happened not too very long ago. We had a humanitarian aid truck that came across from Jordan. The driver was supposedly vetted. He was a former Jordanian military person. He came across the checkpoint. Everything should be fine, right? He gets out of his truck, he takes a gun, and he shoots two of the people. I believe it.

who are the Israelis at the checkpoint, one of whom was a young person less than a year in the job, his mother teaches in the American school where our embassy people go in Herziliah, I get to make the phone call to the mother. I'm going to tell you something. It was not the most pleasant day of my life. It sounds awful. It is awful. And so those kind of incidences are the reason that it is difficult to go from Judea,

Samaria, or West Bank, call it whatever you want. But if you're in Area A, which is under the control of the Palestinian Authority, and your education has been that killing Jews is a wonderful thing. I'm talking about the Christians. And I'm talking about the Christians. If they go to those schools, I'm still going to get that education. When was the last time there was a suicide bomb dead and invite Christian? I don't know. Never. Let me ask this. Look, I'm not trying to defend, but I'm saying to you

that if the curriculum doesn't get changed, if the pay for Slay doesn't get changed, that doesn't you have a culture. Well, you say it doesn't apply. Maybe it never has happened. I don't know whether it has ever happened. When will Palestinians in the West Bank have the same rights as Israelis in the West Bank? Are you talking about the ones that live in the Palestinian Authority Authority? I'm talking about people who live in the villages they grew up in. You changed hands. Whether it makes a difference. Whether they live under the Palestinian Authority government, whether they live under Israeli government. If they live under the Palestinian Authority government, they don't live under Israeli government. But it's controlled by the Israeli government.

completely. There's no airport. They control utilities. I mean, this is, it's silly. I understand there's a form of self-government, but the big decisions are made by the Israeli government. Like, this is, this is, again, most Americans are ignorant of this fact, but the streets of the West Bank. And I'm not talking about Gaza, the West Bank, are policed by the IDF. They walk the streets. And when a kid throws a rocket, one of their armored vehicles, they hop out and they arrest the kid. Like, that's the reality. When I say a concentration camp, it's literally a concentration camp. And the only reason they're on Gaza is because they were expelled by Hamas when they came into power in 2006 after Hamas expelled the Palestinian Authority security forces. So how long does this go on?

You say that God gave the nation of Israel the right to this land. Why not just take it declared Israel and make everyone a citizen? I don't understand why that's not happening. Well, you know what? There are people who think that that would be a much better future. I think it very well could be. And if you ask certain people living in the PA under their very corrupt government where 91% of the people think the government is hopelessly corrupt, that's what the numbers are, they would tell you that they would be better off. If the Israelis were the governing authority.

Everyone gets voting rights. Would that be the case? If they were all under Israeli authority, you know, you realize there are lots of Arab Israelis. I know. And they vote. Do you know they serve in the Knesset? I'm very aware of that. And I just wonder.

And they serve on the Supreme Court. And did you know that it was an Arab who sentenced to former president and prime minister to prison? I know all this. I just wanted to know what's going to happen. Do you know how many Jews get to help govern Saudi Arabia or Qatar or Syria? I'm not. But what I'm not attacking. Jews is a much more open government in society.

And you make it sound like that the Israelis. I don't sound that way. I'm just asking. I don't know what I'm not attacking the nation of Israel. I'm just wondering what the plan is. So I've been hearing my whole life how bad the PA is. Okay, great. But what's the plan here?

So they're moving all these Americans people from around the world into settlements subsidized by Americans in the West Bank. Now they're not moving them from around the world to the settlements. They're people who make Aliyah they come. And these are Israelis who live in Israel. Well, there are a lot of people. And area sea is Israel. Okay.

But does it remain a territory under military control forever? Does it just become part of the state? The Palestinian Authority? That's the big question. Do you believe in a two-state solution? And if you do, I would show you on that. And I would ask you, because this is, I don't know. I don't know what I think.

I just think you need to treat people like human beings, and that's not happening. And that would be you don't glorify their killing. Yeah, let them go to the church if they want. See the yellow parts? Yeah. That's Palestinian authority. The tan parts, that's area B. That's the area that is mixed.

Israel has military authority, but the Palestinians can live anywhere they want to in there. And the blue area, that's area C. Area C is Israel. And Israelis can live in Israel. That's what it is. Now, when people say they want a two-state solution, I love to show them a map like this. And I ask them, where does that state line? I know. There is no continuous way in which it works.

You know, we've got a lot of states in the United States that need help, so I'm not going to weigh in other people's states. To be legally honest, I just don't want to pay for it anymore and just want to fix our own country. But let me ask you one last question, which is how Christians are treated in Jerusalem. I've talked to so many who have been spit on. Really? So many? How many? Well, two yesterday. Two? Okay. Both Catholic clergy and both told me the same thing. Anglican clergy, I interviewed.

I just had dinner recently with a Greek patriarch. A million stories about this. Yeah, I know. There are instances where Christians get heckled. Usually it's people who are wearing clerical robes and they're wearing crosses and it shouldn't happen. It's horrible. It's as bad for that to happen as it is to spit on somebody in a Kippa in New York City. It's terrible. And actually, I should to be fair, there is, and I just learned this, a Jewish-Israeli group that keeps track of Christians being spit on in Jerusalem because they're offended by it. And God bless them for keeping track and for being offended by it.

But there are an awful lot of examples of that. And my question to you, you're against it, of course, you're a Christian clergy. Horrible against it. So is the prime minister, the president, the foreign minister. So is, I get it. I think every, no one would defend that. But what is it? It's very limited.

It's very, very isolated. Where is it comfort? For the most part, you know what, as Christians, we have freedom of movement here. Parker, I go to church every sonny. I played bass guitar in my church band. I get it. I don't get hassled being a Christian. Everyone here knows I'm the first evangelical to be ambassador to Israel. Do you think they hate me here? No. Are evangelicals recognized by the state of Israel? Yeah. Don't evangelicals recognized? Yeah. My gosh, yes. There's 184,000 Christians. I know, I know. And I'm much larger than. But there are evangelicals. Yeah. All right. I'm just teasing. I'm just teasing. I'm just teasing. I'm just teasing. I'm just teasing. My gosh, yes. There's 184,000 Christians in Israel. I know. I know. I know. I know. And much larger than. But there are churches that are non- But there are non-chers.

denominational evangelical here. Of course. There are, and it ranges from when you say non-denominational. Some of them are affiliated Baptist Assembly of God. Some of them are truly non-denominational, Pentecostal. Some are messianic. Some are messianic. Right. Where, um, there are non-denominational. Some of the in Israel, by the way, yes. And as I said, I really hope I can come back and talk to more. And come to church with me. Oh, I definitely would like that. Why, and I mean it too, why would people spit on, where does that come from? I think it's from an evil heart. Yeah. What else would it be? I agree. I mean, I don't think anybody would ever spit on another person, even if it was, you know, I don't care what a person's religion is or what a person's nationality is. I don't hate anybody. I wouldn't spit on anybody. I wouldn't heckle anyone. And I find it repulsive. Nothing about it is defensible. I will say that the one, this was off

camera, but I interviewed this Christian leader here. And I said, oh, that's so awful. And he goes, you know, I feel blessed because Jesus was spit on. And it's an opportunity for humility for me. I thought, wow, that's a Christian. Let me say this. I've been coming in and out of Jerusalem and Israel for 50, well, soon to be 53 years. Before I came as ambassador, I made over 100 trips here. I've never been spat on.

I've never had someone yell at me. I've never had an experience where I felt uncomfortable or that I was unwelcome. If you spit on someone wearing a yarmic in New York City, you go right to jail. They would not put up with that for one second. And they do put up there because it still happens. I'm not sure they do go to jail in New York City. They should. And they should go to jail here.

I'm against it. They should go to jail here. Amen. So there were all these Christian ministers who were brought over here evangelicals in December. And I think mostly to attack me, but also probably the other. Oh, they weren't here to attack you. They were attacking. But whatever. But they were flown over by the state. The state paid for it. And they had a conference here. I got one of the guides that they received when they arrived. And I think it's real. And it says, don't preach about Jesus when you're in Israel. We don't allow that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Really? Yeah. Why would a Christian minister agree not to preach about Jesus? I'm not sure. Because I've never heard someone tell another Christian minister not to do that. Interesting. Good. Well, I was totally baffled. What would be the purpose of going to church as a Christian if you didn't talk about Jesus here? I wouldn't agree more. Thank you.

I can assure you that the church I attend, we talk about Jesus. I mean, we pray in the name of Jesus. No, to anyone else outside the church. Are you allowed? Like, could I stand on the corner and just tell people about Jesus here? You could. I'm not saying you'd get applause or that people. Right, that's fine. But I'm saying there are people that there's no law against that, though. Not that I'm aware of. The only laws that I know of, you can't proselyize someone under the age of 18 and you cannot offer people things of value in order to cause them to listen to your presentation. For example, I can't say, hey, for $10, would you let me give you this gospel track and scream at you? Can you make them a meal? Can you give them clothes? Can you serve the poor in the ways that Jesus commands? Can't do that. I don't know if it's enforced. I'm not sure. I don't

hear anyone arrested for it. How do you not know as the ambassador, whether or not it's enforced? No, there's no law against just like preaching to people. Walk down to the old city. You'll hear people out there preaching on the street. Are they effective? I don't know. I'm not sure that people are stopping and falling on their knees and saying, this is what I've been waiting for. I don't know. But what I'm telling you is that the idea that you can't say it, I know that there are places in the rest of this region where you can't do that. For sure. Yeah. Cutter, you can't wear a cross in public.

For sure. You can't pray in public. I see. A lot of people wearing crosses in Qatar, but in Qatar? I have. I don't know what the laws are. Yeah. In Saudi Arabia? Don't think so. I doubt it. The one place is an exception is the Emirates. And I love those folks because they are so progressive and they're doing so many things to change the template of things. They have a Abraham House

that is, it is a combination synagogue. church and mosque. That's pretty amazing, isn't it? That they have the same building, and they use it for all three of the major religions of the world. And I think that's incredible. But they're really trying to do things

that are beyond what anyone else in the region. They change their textbooks. They teach that is... So that is the synagogue and the mosque and the church. They come together. You know what you won't find? You can go on just Google

the Abraham Family House in the Emirates. And you won't find anywhere on the website, Jesus. You won't find Jesus. You won't find Issa. You won't find Yeshua. You won't find the name of Jesus. Because what the Abrahamic family house seeks to do is unite the people of the book.

And Mike Huckabee called himself a people of the book when he started this. It seeks to unite the people of the book. So what do we have to do? Well, we have to set aside the things that we can't agree on. We'll come together on all the parts of the book that we can agree upon. And we'll set aside the things that we can't agree upon. You know what they can't agree upon? You know what is the only thing that is.

is offensive to these people, Jesus. It's amazing. It's the only thing that is offensive to them. So the ambassador to Israel who calls himself an evangelical, who is the first Christian Zionist to ever sit in the seat as the ambassador to Israel, calls the Abraham family house, Abrahamic family house, a beautiful thing. It is, it is grave apostasy. It calls it a beautiful thing.

tolerance here's last last minute is not a nation they should hate or seek to annihilate they've done some remarkable things following all this stuff in the

I agree that they have a Hindu temple in Abu Dhabi you've been following all this like hate the Muslim stuff going on in the United States on the right I hear some of it and it's unpleasant we shouldn't hate anybody amen yeah it's not a good thing hate is an evil thing

yeah I don't uh you know sometimes you say I don't support child killing okay I don't either but I don't support hate in any form I think it's a horrible thing that is such a great standard and I want to hold myself to that And thank you for saying that out loud. I don't hate you.

I hope not. Governor, Ambassador, thank you very much for spending all this time. I appreciate it. I'm glad you came. Please come back. I will go with me to some places and the church. I want you to see that as Christians, we're pretty free here. Amen.

Appreciate it. Thank you. And welcome. Pretty free. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I have to say, like having that, the first time I've ever read, like, seen Mike Huckabee in long form. And to be fair, I really haven't seen many political. figures ever in long form. Very unimpressive guy. Like, like, I'm actually very, like, left very unimpressed with his, like, grasp of knowledge, his, uh, even knowledge that I think he should have known in that moment. Like, he should have been able to answer some of those, like, like, demographic questions

that Tucker was throwing at him. Um, some of those, like the statistics. He should have had, like, some sense of that, uh, especially walking in this interview, understanding how many people were going to watch it and the, the potential for it to go viral. Um, but, you. Yeah, just like very, very unimpressed with him as a speaker, as a, as an ambassador, as a diplomat, as a leader. And I have to say that, you know, I will give credit where credits to do the fact that he agreed to do this is a testament. But I kind of think he was forced to do it.

I kind of think that like somebody was like, hey, we need to stop the hemorrhaging. Like we are hemorrhaging right now support publicly and we need somebody to go out there and stop Tucker and like make Tucker look like an asshole. And I think that was the, I think the plan here was to send Mike Huckabee in totally unprepared. I mean, he obviously was not prepared at all for the interview. And kind of let Tucker like froth at the mouth and like attack him and kind of look look like a jerk. And Mike Huckabee would just kind of sit back and be kind of the kind old grandfather figure. And that didn't really play out. I don't think at least.

And we saw what happened afterwards. Mike Huckabee immediately started posting nasty stuff about Tucker as soon as he walked out of that interview. That's how it goes. $50 rumber rent from one with Katz. I used to think that Huckabee was reasonable, even though boring, a reasonable, even though boring person. It makes me sad that he's been so brainwashed by and then she writes, Dajouez, D-A-G-U-E-Z. Thank you.

one with cats. Aussie Mix, 73. Just want to thank you both for this show and doing the chosen and Lightning. And Ash,

I call the Ukrainian. I work with the Nazi. He's such a douche. Anyway, YouTube Rockman. Yeah, so she was saying, he or she was saying

on Badlands Daily this morning that there's a Ukrainian that's a total dick that they work with. It gets really mad if you call him Russian. And I'm like, well,

I would just call him Russian all the time. All the time. I know everybody's shocked that that's my position on the matter. But, yeah,

I may publish my notes from this. I don't know. I haven't decided yet. I think you should. Yeah, I might. I might do it. I really do believe that if you love, if you, so

by the way, thank you, thank you for the generosity. Thank you to the ranters. Oh, yes. Thank you. Generous rants. Thank you. The, the, the, the, false binary of worship or call for the destruction of from a Christian standpoint, which is again, the only reason, like, I don't care about foreigners conflicts. I don't care about the, what's happening on the ground

inside of other nations and whether their people are effective or not at controlling their government. I think that ultimately comes down to their people, not us, not our government, telling their people what to do to their government. However, those things happen. And we have war and we have, you know, all manner of geopolitical engagement and conflict around the world from, you know, whether we're talking about just the very notion of an ambassador and why we have these people in all of these different regions to begin with.

The reason that I am engaged in this conversation is because my religion, my belief system the in my view of the world the name of the most high god is being used to justify very ungodly very unbiblical things and were being shamed and taunted and mocked by people who claim to know Jesus who claim to love Jesus who claim to evangelize the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ were being mocked for not worshiping their false idol for not participating in Israel's harlotry with her. If you read the Bible and you know the Bible, as Mike Huckabee claims to do, then you know that Israel's harlotry is when she relies on other nations for her protection and prosperity.

And we are putting ourselves in that exchange, placing ourselves between Israel and God and calling it good. And it is not good. It says in Ezekiel 16, what will happen both to her and to the nations that she, she engages in the harlotry with. We never talk about that. We read half of Genesis 12, 3, clip off the second half, which is the gospel message, and start cheering for destruction and death and decimation and deception in the name of Jesus. I find that to be deeply, deeply offensive.

And it is the only reason that I engage in this conversation at all. If you really feel that it is the Christian's job to protect the Jews, to be engaged in Israel in any way, shape, or form, then you must tell them about Jesus. If it is not on your list, it's not the number one priority, then what you're doing is not Christianity. What you're doing is not following Jesus. If you claim to love them and adore them and want to protect them and it's our imperative to do it, we just can't tell them about Jesus because it's offensive.

That's very offensive to me. That's all I have to say. Yeah, that's very well said. And again, like, lots of rabbis that will, that post their own videos of them giving sermons where they are openly mocking Christians, openly mocking Jesus in a very provocative manner. And I think it's intended to go viral. I think it's intended to be provocative. It's intended to be, you know, the shock value of it all. Yeah.

And it's, it's, you know, there's just a lot of contradictions and a lot of issues with, uh, the whole dynamic and the culture, um, that are never addressed. They're never discussed. They're never, uh, talked about. I'm glad that Tucker at least was able to hit on a few of them, like the, the, the protection of pedophiles by the, by the, by the, by the system, by the government of Israel is despicable. Um, that probably extends to America. We probably protect pedophiles here, too. I'm, I'm sure. Um, um, but the, um, but the, the, fact that it is a worldwide sanctuary for them is pretty awful, among other things. But again, as you heard Huckabee say toward the end of the interview, he is the first, he said I'm the first evangelical to be appointed as ambassador. And I hadn't even really dawned on me to like go looking at it. I went and looked into it. He's absolutely right. He's the first non-Jew to be appointed to this position.

And my personal opinion, going back to even the Trump first Trump administration, it was what was his name? It'll come to me in a minute, but it was a Jewish guy. I think Trump set this moment up. I think the whole point of appointing Mike Huckabee was for this moment to occur. Because what was exposed here in that moment, it wasn't just Mike Huckabee being a fraud, which he clearly is. Nice guy. Seems like a nice guy, maybe. I mean, you know, you make that assessment based on somebody's showing up.

on your television screen. Seems like a nice guy. But obviously a total fraud. Couldn't even answer the most basic questions about Christianity, about Israel, about demographics, about like anything. I mean,

he was totally oblivious to like all of it. It was really kind of sad to watch. But if he can't get up there and defend it, if he can't get up there and answer the questions that Tucker was asking, which I actually think Tucker kind of went easy on him, because they have a personal relationship. No, I don't think he...

anybody can. I'm not sure if there's anybody out there who's going to be able to get up there and defend some of the things that Tucker was addressing and bringing to the forefront. And ultimately, while religion is at the heart of this issue and this conversation, again, this is a geopolitical discussion because we are at war right now and we are at war on behalf of this government. Yeah, but I'm saying. And Jesus told us that. There will be wars and rumors of wars and all of these horrible things and they're all, you know,

they all have to come. There's always going to be war. The part where I can't, you know, I just, they're going to war is a racket. It's incredibly profitable and it's ultimately about power. So of course there's going to be wars.

When we start having Americans whose salary we're paying to be sitting in that chair in that region, representing the interests of Americans in that country. And he's justifying, taking Americans ultimately and eventually. And I can hear the Zionist push back in my head. There's no American boots on the ground, right? But our resources, our blood and treasure going in under the guise of a religious mantle, right? Chosen, right to be here.

It's theirs. God gave it to them. right that whole line well we're justifying now engaging in a war and going back to the whole thing about amylex god told saul god told saul to do the things and he didn't do it and he was punished for it but do we have any evidence that god is calling the shots of these men engaging in in this conduct in this theater whatsoever i don't see it i don't see i don't think that we see the fruit of christianity in this. I think we see something very different that is that is being done using the name of the most high God. And that is, as I said, the most defensive thing is.

One more Rumble Rant came in. Eleanor 2000. Thank you so much. She says, thank you both for recognizing that this interview needed to be carefully dissected. Eye opening for sure. By the way, Gordon, loving the emerging beard. Are you growing it back? Because I was worried after you showed it. Oh, I don't know. I haven't thought about it. And I haven't shaved in like two days. So this is like two, two or three days of growth.

Yeah, we like it. I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. Ultimately up to your wife, you have to keep her happy.

But I think the rest of us would like the beer. That's true. That's true. Shout out to skeptical, David Friedman. That was the name of the ambassador during the first Trump administration. And he's still like involved. Like he,

that band that Mike Huckabee says he plays. And David Friedman also plays in the band with him in Israel. So he's still very much involved in all. of this. But yeah, I mean, I, man, it's, it's concerning. Like, like, there are concerns here that we need to address as a country. And when Jonathan Pollard, one of the, the traitor that they were, the convicted traitor that they were talking about earlier in the interview, when he is getting on podcast right now in 2026 and advocating that Jewish Americans with security clearances should be stealing as much information as they can from the U.S. government and giving it to the Israeli government.

It's like, how do you, how do you not address that? Like, how do we not confront that reality? That this guy is a convicted traitor that our government let out of prison early, pardoned him by Obama, was allowed to go back to Israel. And now he is on podcasts advocating for Jewish Americans in the U.S. government to spy for the Israeli government. And he was hosted inside the embassy by the announcement. And he was hosted inside the embassy in a meeting that Mike Huckabee chose not to put on his official calendar so the White House wouldn't know again. And so as I've been saying for a while now, if you are a Jewish American listening

to this, my expectation is that you're going to side with me in this conversation, that you're going to look at that and say, this is totally unacceptable. We need to really reexamine our relationship with Israel. And again, a geopolitical conversation because we're talking about two nation states engaging in hostility against one another. Israel engaging in hostility against the United States. That's what that is when Jonathan Pollard is being met by B.B. Net and Yahoo on the tarmac when he arrives back at Israel on Sheldon Adelson's private plane and then is hosted at the U.S. Embassy and then goes and goes and goes and goes and calls Donald Trump a dirtbag and then advocates for a U.S. Embassy and then goes and goes to him. Jewish Americans in the American government to spy for Israel. Like, we need to address this situation.

This is out of control. So how do we get our arms around this? I don't know, but we need to continue having the conversation. Agreed. Yeah. And I think that's the key is that we need to continue having the conversation. Maybe there are satisfying answers for us, Ghost. Maybe somewhere they just haven't been identified yet and provided.

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