Badlands Media - Why We Vote Ep. 166: Peter Ticktin on Constitutional Law, Executive Power, and Election Legitimacy

Episode Date: March 21, 2026

CannCon and Ashe in America are joined by attorney Peter Ticktin for a wide-ranging discussion on constitutional law, executive authority, and the legal frameworks surrounding election legitimacy. The conversation explores how the Constitution is interpreted in modern legal battles, the limits of federal power, and how legal strategies are being used to challenge or defend election outcomes. Peter breaks down complex constitutional arguments into plain terms, walking through the role of the executive branch, the judiciary, and the tension between state and federal authority. The discussion also touches on legal precedent, the importance of due process, and how courts approach politically sensitive cases. Throughout the episode, the panel examines how legal narratives shape public perception and why understanding constitutional structure is critical in evaluating election-related disputes. It is a deep dive into law, power, and the ongoing debate over how America governs itself.

That's a hell of it. All right. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to why we vote. Happy Friday to everybody, joined, of course, by the lovely Ash Epp. And we're going to jump right into our interview for this evening because we have a limited time. Go ahead, Ash.

All shows are why we vote now, but this one really is why we vote. So we're going to talk about all things voting and it's going to be great. Yes. And here to talk about a draft executive order that has caught a lot of folks' attention in the especially in the Magosphere, we have the one and only Peter Tickton attorney joining us for this evening show. Mr. Tickton, how are you doing, sir? I, fine, thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.

Absolutely. I'm happy to have you. Welcome. Yeah. Go ahead, Ash. I know. Yeah, no. So we're going to talk about this election integrity executive order.

It's a beast. We talk a lot on this show about fake voters, fake ballots, fake counts. There are different angles of election. fraud, different facets and all of these things work together in, to come together into kind of a modular way that elections are rigged. And so we're going to talk about the executive order. Maybe we'll get a little bit into Tina Peters, because you are one of the attorneys for Tina Peters. I particularly want to ask you about the appellate hearing. So since you gave me the go ahead to do that, we'll do that after we get through the executive order. But, you know, let's, let's jump

right in. Mr. Tickton, what was the impetus of this executive order? Your team sent it to Brian and I, and, you know, I think on the whole, it's great, but kind of the best piece of work we've seen on this front, I think, trying to do a comprehensive approach for election integrity. How did you get involved in this? Where does this come from? Okay. Well, you know, I don't know the exact source. We prepared our own executive order, and then this was sent to me. I don't, I've never gone back trying to figure out from where in the first place, because there's a group of people that are involved. So I can't tell you who the actual author is. I can just tell you I'm not. I wrote a preliminary one and then this thing emerged and

this was better than mine. So I figured, well, that mine was just a starter. This is the finisher pretty well. So the most important part of it, a lot of it's covered by the CARES Act, or the recent legislation that's the Save America Act. The Save America Act. But there's one major difference here, and there's something in here that's not in the Save America Act, which is that the ballots have to be counted by hand in public. This becomes really important at this point because we now know that the machines are involved We know that the machines can determine the outcome of the elections and that they're pervasive throughout the United States.

We know that they draw on extra names that are put into the voter rolls. And I'm not talking about a few. I'm talking about as many as up to $2 million potential voters in New York state alone, up to about a million in Florida. these numbers are given to me from Andrew Picquette, who was the one that basically found these extra voters. He originally called them clones. We now called them the modified duplicates because they are duplicates. So in other words, in the voter rolls of my county,

you might be able to find not just Peter Tickton, but you might find two, you might find four, five, seven, eight, any number of Peter Ticktons. and all of them, except for me, the original one, are kept in the archives. Now, it's what happens in our voter rolls is when we know that somebody can no longer be a voter,

let's because they died or because they moved out of the county or for whatever reason, they're never deleted. They're just put in the archives. The problem with the archives is that they can always come back into the general part of the computer, so they come back to life. These extra ones are in those archives and they can be brought out into the rest of the computer

made live basically and then put back into the archives. Each one of them has exactly the same Social Security number as my Social Security number. Each one has my home address. Each one has my telephone number. Each one has my driver's license number. My data. birth, although that might be changed slightly.

And also, my name might be just slightly off. So instead of my middle name, it may have my middle initial, but it's the same thing basically. The one thing that's always different is the voter identification number. If those weren't different, they wouldn't be able to vote for more than one of them.

And you might see at the end of the day that not only did I vote, but Peter, Peter took the number two, Peter took to number three, Peter took the number four. They all voted, but I didn't vote them. Someone or something else voted them. So that's where we get into the machines.

That's where we get into the tabulators that have, some of them have actually phone chips that communicate to the central computers. Other ones of them are able to be communicated with, with voice over internet. So, and with Wi-Fi, you can get into these machines. So, you know, they talk about them being air-gapped, but what difference does it make if it's air-gapped?

If it's like a cell phone, your cell phone doesn't need to be plugged into the internet in order for it to work, neither to the machines that are like cell phones. So we know that these machines are not safe. Yeah, air-gaping is a myth, and we know that one of my friends and legal battle partners.

Her entry point into election integrity was that she was told she was in an air gap when she was working in an air gap when she was working in an election in Boulder, and then they had her download Zoom from the Internet. So it's a myth, what they do. And the clerks all laugh about the air gap. It's not real. Yeah. Of course not.

Not if they've got what, if they have phone chips or you can communicate it through wireless or, you know, then for sure it's not real. We know it's not real. But meanwhile, these machines are very dangerous. They can determine the outcome of the elections. And right now, you know, we've only have, what do we have, 53 senators. And the 22 of them are up for reelection this year.

So this is a major, major year in terms of what could go wrong. if the machines can dictate the votes and the people in charge of the machines can decide that they should go to Democrats, they could pick up 18 new senators and not lose one Democrat one. So in other words, they can get, it's easily within their grasp to get a two-thirds majority in the Senate. That is the end of the world as we know it, if that happens. because they will then have a majority in the House. They'll be able to impeach not just Donald Trump, but J.D. Vance at the same time.

And if they did that, and then they've got two-thirds votes in the Senate, they'd be able to actually remove them from office. So Donald Trump and J.D. Vance could be removed in that way. And if they are, then golly gee, who gets to be the president? have you hear of Joaquin Jeffries? Oh, right. Yeah. Oh, no, Johnson would be gone because.

Yeah. There's a little bit of a delay, I think. Right, right. Thank you for that reaction because that's what I say to myself every time I have this thought. Even if that didn't want to go. Because if that happens. Oh, yeah, there's a slight.

If that happens, it's all over. Yeah. So even if they didn't want to go, the, you know, the toxic route of impeachment and removal, which there's no question that if they ever did get a super majority, they would. They could still pass legislation at will because they could override any veto that President Trump would put on legislation. So do I personally think they would go drastic enough with the steel to get a super majority?

Me personally, I still think the status quo needs to be maintained and they understand that as well as the Republicans do. So they would get a majority, but I don't know the super, but it is a possibility. and it's because it's enabled by the machines and eliminating them has to be the number one issue right now. I don't think you realize how, you know, evil works. I mean, nothing personal here. I mean, because any decent-minded person, you know, look, you know,

there's an old saying I use from time to time that George Bernard Shaw said that the punishment of a liar is not in the least that he cannot be, believed, but rather that he cannot believe others. You know, if you are a liar, you think everybody else is a liar, you look through the world through your own prism in front of your eyes and that's the way you see other people because that's the way you are. So you're a decent, honest guy, so you figure, well, these guys can't be as corrupt as I'm thinking that they are.

But take a look at the history. We had four swing states that decided it all of a sudden, for the first time in history, during war, during the depression, during anything, the count never stopped in any state period. All of a sudden, you have four swing states that stopped the count at the same time without communicating to each other. And what happened in that period of time when the count was stopped, the numbers were 97 in each one of these jurisdictions,

97% in favor of Joe Biden zip, zip, right? Four times, four state, same time. And it was in favor of Joe Biden. We all knew that the fix was in. And if that didn't convince you, we actually at that point in time also had the videotape from the ceiling of the counting room in Fulton County where they lied and said that there was a main line,

whatever, whatever, water, Water main, a water main break, yes, is what you're referring to. Water main break, right? Yeah. And which was a lie that never happened. But that caused them to take everybody out of the room. It's the four people that stayed in. And in that room, there were tables, you know, like at, you see, in conference rooms and so on.

And, you know, in hotels, they set up the meeting rooms. And they, but these had, they were fully surrounded by aprons. So you couldn't see what was under those. which is a very odd thing for a room you're counting ballots. And, and, and, and, but it was, it was, it was all thought through by these bold people that are not limited by any decency in their mind at all because there is none. They reach under the tables. They pull out all these, these, these suitcases filled with ballots and then they start putting them through the tabulators over and over and over again. So we, we, we, we know that the election was stolen. They were brazen and bold. But how do they cover it up?

How do they deal with it? They plan January 6 in advance. Oh, 100%. And videotapes showing these people. Yeah, I agree with you on that. I think that November 3rd was the coup. January 6th was the cover up the coup. And the January 6th committee was the cover up of the cover up.

And listen, Mr. Tickton, you don't have to convince us that elections are stolen. We, you know, we've been doing this show for three years. I thought in the 10th Circuit here, my case is currently before the 10th Circuit to uphold. hold our victory from July of 2024, suggesting that, we were attacked, saying that election denialism is akin to voter intimidation. And we were sued under the KKK Act and the Voting Rights Act, Section 11B. Brian has been up close and personal with evil, face to face with evil during his honorable service as a United States Marine. So we don't need to be convinced about the problem statement. What we want to talk about certainly is the solutions. And this

executive order, I think is one of the, we've gotten closest, one of the, like as I said before, seems to be the closest that we've gotten. Okay. So, so why do we need this? Because we have an emergency. And people say, well, what do you mean we have an emergency? I don't see any emergency out there. And the fact of the matter is that the president needs to sign an executive order that declares an emergency. But just the same as the governor of a state can't declare an an emergency for a storm that nobody can perceive, you know, what storm, right? Same thing here. There's a problem the president has in that this emergency must be perceived by the public.

And that's why I'm out there speaking and others are out there speaking and letting you know that this is an emergency. So you might ask, how is it an emergency? So I'll tell you, pretend that you're, you know, that you're, that you know, that you, that you're going down to two lane road. Okay. And, you know, one lane in each direction. And let me make this more to Brian, okay. But you can, you'll be able to understand why.

And so Brian, I don't know that you have a former wife or not, but let's pretend that you have a former, that you have an ex-wife who is not only hostile, but a bit crazy. Okay, let's just pretend for a moment. Okay. And if you do have one, what's that? I said the current one's that totally joking.

No, she is not. She's a badass, and I have her back, and I will cut you, Brian. You're going to hear about this tonight. But in any event, let's just pretend for a moment that you have an X that's this way, right? And you're driving down this highway at 70 miles an hour. The oncoming traffic that's coming in the other direction is 70 miles an hour. And the only thing that's separating you is a double yellow yellow. wine on the that's painted on the road between you no no barriers okay and you get a call

where from somebody you trust and they let you know by the way your former you know your ex was able to access the computer of your car and remotely she's going to be able to take over the steering at any time that she wants right now you tell me is that you tell me is Is that an emergency or not? I mean, are you going to waste any time pulling over to the shoulder? That's what we have. Preemptive action is what we're saying, that we have to do this. And I mean, I believe personally there's plenty of evidence out there that this happened and can be done.

Just yesterday, Tulsi Gabbard testified that they have the Puerto Rican machines, the machines from Puerto Rico in their possession. And this is something that they need to be able to. And I think they can, you know, prove that this. this has happened and so we can get out in front of this because you're right. I can prove to you that it happened three weeks ago. It in Bear County, it's pronounced Bear, but it's B. E.X.A.R. County in Texas, a friend of mine was running for the primaries for the Republican, the primary for the house.

Okay. And, uh, you know, it. His name is Weston Martinez. After the first day, he asked for a list of all the voters that voted that day, and he got a list of all the voters that voted that day, and what the I suppose was on that list. Modified duplicates, lots of them. They figure altogether it adds up to over 4,700 of them, and it was enough to steer that race so that the guy that got the Republican primary nomination

is a lefty who is very strong on DEI and wokeism, okay? That's who got the nomination for the Republican Party, and that was because the fix was in by the machines. Nothing else is able to reach into the archives of the voter rolls and pull out the modified duplicates. It had to be done by computer, and it was done by computer, and we actually have that list that was sent, which is a smoking gun in this regard,

showing us that this emergency is real, it's ongoing, and it needs to be stuck. Because, you know, if they do this, well, that's even better than anything else. It's better to change our candidates and put in left-wing candidates that are Republican. That way, it doesn't even matter who wins because they'll all impeach and remove. With the senators, though, you know, these are senators that are already in there, so it's not a matter of changing things in the primaries. It's more a matter of changing which party. wins in terms of those races. But meanwhile, we know it's happening. What more do we need?

Are we going to sit back and just say, do you really think that people are going to even go to the polls if they know what the fix is in? We need to have an emergency order that determines that is an emergency. That's an important question that you just raised. And it's one that on this network, we debate quite a bit. It's a pretty divisive issue. If we know that the elections are, I say fake, because the core of it is fake voter rolls, which you've gone into in great detail. The modified duplicates don't happen without corrupted voter rolls. You have to have the fake voters, fake voter rolls.

But it's also in the ballots, fake ballots and in the counts, as we talked about a little bit earlier with the machines. If we know, and we've known since 2020, we've watched the 2022 election, we've watched the midterms that was supposed to be a red wave and wasn't, right? That was Carrie Lake's election. And we've seen all of the stuff around Carrie Lake's election. You see that the 2024 election, which everybody says, oh, it was too big to rig. We overcame the steel. But the down ballot races are a mess across the country in 2024.

When we look at what actually happened, it is a real question for the electorate right now. Why should we vote if we know that elections are essentially fake? Okay. That's a great question. You know, almost everybody. when they're a child, you know, assuming that they had parents, I mean, I realize that there are children that don't have parents. But the children that have parents, it's kind of a universal thing.

Once you learn about death as a young child, then you start asking, well, is mommy and daddy, you know, are they going to check out? You know, are they going to die? And when you get a little bit older even, you know, you think about the fact that people you love, they may die. And you get maybe even a little tangy. of pain, you know, but basically it's not so bad because it's not real. And so you don't go there.

You just go to the extent of knowing about it. And you and I now can talk about the death of our country as well. We can talk about the death of America, and we're not going to feel those pangs of pain. But let me tell you, when the parents die, when one parent dies or a brother and sister die and you lose somebody that's close to you, it's no longer a little pang. That's when you learn what misery really is. And when if we were ever to lose America, and I'll tell you, Canada doesn't even know it yet, but it's gone.

Australia is gone. New Europe is gone. These countries are arresting people that are against the vocableness or against DEI, whatever it is, arresting people. It's thought. And once we're arrested for thought like they do in Canada, then are then we're about to be done where then the next step is where it's complete control over the population and when that happens just the same as when all of a sudden the reality of a real death hits a child or hits a young adult

and they they they they then learn what misery is but even that you reach acceptance ultimately and you're okay but when your country goes down to communism or your country goes down to communism or your country goes down to globalism, whatever it's going to cause the demise of America. If that happens, it's the same kind of misery, but it never ends. And that's why you need to get out and vote because God help us if there's a chance to get this thing straightened out. Look, if this happens, let's just say that Donald Trump does not enter an emergency order and we end up knowing that the races are fixed and there's a majority, believe me,

there's going to be martial law in America if that happens. and then, you know, but if there is, there's going to be some agencies and some people that are then going to be looking into who voted and finding out what the actual votes were. If you don't go and vote, you're not giving us a chance. And that misery that you're going to be living in is going to be partially caused by you. So there's no option here. We don't have the choice to sit back and just say, oh, well, it's fixed anyway. I'm going to be lazy today. It's not about being lazy.

It's not about being lazy. It's about legitimizing a system that is by definition illegitimate. And you gave a bunch of examples around the world about democracies that have devolved into despotism, right? And if they start locking people up over thought crimes, Tina Peters is in prison for nine years. And I know you're familiar because you're one of her attorneys, right? I've covered her case since her office was rated in August of 2021. It has been despotism since the beginning. They made up the premise, the predicate to go raid her office and they convinced everybody here that she was trying to steal elections.

People still believe it. She is being held because of what she might say. So I would say we're already there. How is voting going to get us? And I vote. And I'm not telling anybody not to vote. But I am questioning the logic of why we're continuing to legitimize an illegitimate system. Okay.

First of all, this three reasons why Tina Peters is in prison. One reason is to shut her up, just like you said. Keep her silent. Yours is a nicer way of saying it. I don't mind using the coarser language because it's a horrible, horrible thing. It is. Number two, it's because Jenna Griswold, it's a criminal who needs to cover up her own criminal activity. And she's running the election.

that's being that's paying she's running the election and she's running to be the the the the law the highest law official in the state okay of all things but we know she's a criminal and i'm not i mean from her own words we know she's a criminal she admits that she went to 60 she didn't go herself she sent people to 62 counties to wipe out and rewrite on those hard drives of 62 different machines the heart you know, the Dominion machines. That's a crime, worthy of imprisonment for up to a year for each one of them under the federal law. Why the DOJ, when she's, it hasn't acted when she's out there admitting that this is what she did is beyond me.

But let's just see where the DOJ goes in the future. But the, and the third reason of all, and the worst of all is to, act as a deterrence so that no clerk in the whole United States would hard drive or dare to preserve evidence or dare to make accusations or dare to even question because God help them they don't want to end up like Tina Peters. That's why Tina Peters is for three reasons, three wrong reasons, not because she's guilty, she's guilty of nothing. But anyway, that's a whole other discussion.

But let's just say in answer to your question, which I thought was really a good question. And you're bringing it to the forefront where other people are just thinking it, which is more dangerous because I don't get a chance to deal with it or answer it. Because we're under attack. The president knows we're under attack. He's not going to allow this to happen again, where he's just going to lose power and be put out. the pasture. He knows that his life is itself is in danger. He knows the lives of his children are in danger. He knows the losing this country is, is losing everything he stands for everything

he believes in. I mean, I'll tell you when, when, you know, they ask people my age, where were you when John Kennedy was shot, right? They don't ask people your age because you weren't born. But they ask us where I know where I was. I was in American history class. and we had 12 students in our class, two rows of six. And a guy came into our American history class of all classes to be in when you get this dues and said that John Kennedy was shot. The guy right in front of me, I won't mention his name, but he stood up and he said, oh good, I hope he dies. So I'm not making it up. That's what happened. Oh, I believe that. I have no trouble believing that.

One guy to his left, through his right, stood up, took him, and threw him down into his seat. And my memory's a little hazy, but I could swear that the guy, two seats over from him in the front row, that was Donald Trump.

And that was our commander in chief, and you can't say that about our commander-in-chief. Donald Trump has been a patriotic human, you know, citizen of America from the, from all the time I've known him and I've known him since we were 15 years old and he will

protect this country. He will do whatever is necessary to protect it and if you don't bother to get out there and vote and we get away of basically making sure your votes count, they won't be there to vote. So you need to be there to do

what you need to do to help us preserve and keep democracy. If you don't do it and we lose it, it's on you. If you go out there and vote and we lose it, well, then you've done everything you could do. But don't you dare not go out and vote

and think that that's okay by any stretch of the imagination because why should you preserve or show your approval by participating in what we have? Okay, yes, we're under attack. That's not the time to, to stick your head in the sand and rationalize inactivity? I'm with you, Mr. Tick. And I, so I, we, I, we engage in this conversation, the legitimization of, of, you know,

the process of voting. And I'm, I'm of the field that even if it is, you know, fake and our elections have predetermined outcomes, you still have to continue to participate in that system to allow those that are looking into it to figure it out. Because if you just give up, you, you, you, you, you, ultimately capitulate to them and it goes away. But if you continue to participate in the process, eventually we'll get to the point where we can, and I think we have already, legitimize the fact that our elections are in fact, you know, illegitimate and that we need to do

something about it. The executive order that we were, you know, presented with before this show, and we'll go through it a little more in depth as well. It is an excellent, excellent step in that direction. You couple that, you know, the Save America Act, if we somehow get that through. And we are moving in the right direction. I have the full confidence in President Trump that this is, you know, one of the top objectives for him in this term right here. Yeah, there's no question. There's no question about it. And the reason that I'm so angry about this is because I believe in it so much. I believe in this nation with everything I've got. And I've watched as the whole, whole of a whole of government obstruction to the will of the people being recognized.

We do not have verifiably accurate elections. I don't think we have real elections. I think we have the, what did Mark Elias call it, Brian, the pageantry of democracy. That's his new talking point, that local people involved in their elections are the pageantry of democracy. It is beyond offensive that Jenna Griswold is going to run the election, that I'm going to, that that's how I give my consent to be governed in this state and nationally. I have to go into an ecosystem.

And pinky promise, pinky promise of trust. This time it's going to be different. We've done this a bunch of times. It's becoming, you know, it reminds me of the end of the Tea Party when the Republican Party really went all in and just body slam the rest of the Tea Party and killed it entirely. And that's where, I feel like we're, I feel like that's the crossroads. that we're at. And we, as I've said on this show, a hundred times if I've said it once,

we cannot have real elections until we are honest about how fake they are. We need accountability for what has happened to the American people, to the voice of the people, and we need, we need to demand real elections. I would never tell anybody not to vote, but I think that voting is a sovereign choice, and I respect anybody's decision on that. All right, Mr. Tickton, I'll give you the last word here. I do want to say before we, before we let you go with respect to your time. Thank you so much for what you guys are doing. Thank you for continuing to fight for Tina Peters.

And hopefully, I pray every day that we get this all resolved. But I'll give you the final word here, sir. Well, you're in Colorado, right? I'm in Florida. I am. He's in Florida. Okay, Florida's a free state. Colorado is what we call a captured state. Yeah.

Okay. And I'm sorry that your life is. going on the way it is there with with these these people that are in power once people are in power because the elections are fixed then everything else starts going downhill and the we right now are the peg that's holding the rest of the world up okay because they haven't gone to the depths where this thing is going to go it's not going to be a situation where if they were to win and get allowed you know they could actually win this race that

that it would be same-o, same-o, just a different party running it. It doesn't work that way. Within a matter of months of them taking over full power, and maybe more than a few months, but within a matter of months, not years, they would be picking us up in truckloads. You know, this is the end of the society as we know it. This is not something which is just a difference between one party or another,

and this is why it's just so important that we fix this, we either get the executive order or I'm telling you it's going to end up being martial law and the the election is not going to be trusted if the results come out the way I'm suggesting and if it's not trusted I mean Donald Trump was close to doing something

about it last time he just didn't quite have the power and especially didn't have the time this time before anybody's put in sworn in on any new positions that this all is going to get stopped. Everything's going to be martial law because we weren't able to stop it in a civil way. But there's no way in the world that Donald Trump

is just going to sit there and say, oh, well, golly gee, I guess that we lost again because we let them cheat. It's not going to be that way this time. Because if it is that way this time, we're all dead meat. I mean, it's just not going to have.

There'll be no coming back from it again. Amen. Mr. Tickton, thank you for joining us. We deeply appreciate it. Yeah, we'd love to have you back and talk about, especially when the,

even if you feel your vote isn't. Yeah, when the litigation is over and we can talk more freely about some of these cases that you're working on, we'd love to have you back. Thanks so much. Thank you. All right.

There was Peter Tickton. That was awesome. It was awesome. And I appreciate his candor. So the emergency, the executive order is intended to create a national emergency so we can actually make these structural changes. That's a good thing all day long. All around, that's a good thing. It's what we need.

I think that, as I said in the interview, that the substance of this executive order is the best that we've seen in terms of getting us to eliminating fake voters, fake ballots, fake counts. We should be pushing for this. It should be enshrined in legislation, right? We need the Save America Act. We need Clay Higgins, mail-in ballot act. We need to ban the machines. And we need to tell the truth about elections. We need to be honest about this.

We cannot have real elections until we're honest about how fake they are. Yep, I agree. I agree. But, you know, and this is something we talked about on the GART panel a little bit yesterday. You know, setting it up for a Gart panel, I should say, not so much. But yeah, look at, you know, and I've checked out, not checked out, but I've believed that the elections were fake since the 2020 election. I've still voted in every single election, including, primaries, you know, since then. But even if the, even if the outcomes are predetermined, you still

have to continue on voting. Because if you stop voting, you basically, you, you have no body of work, you know, to continue doing the kind of stuff that we're doing, right? There's no way to, you know, to do any of this research. You don't have any, anything to go off of. So the Bayer County thing, I hadn't heard about the duplicates yet. I've been, you know, kind of tracking Bear County. I'm working on getting a guess for why we vote on Bear County in the primary there. But, you know, there's a lot of concern about stuff that happened there. Well, guess what? If people checked out and they didn't vote in that, we would never know. And so, you know, I think we do need to continue to vote, but I can also understand your point there. And I know you don't

discourage people. I know. I don't, but I think we have to be honest about it. The reason that I still vote is because elections are a battlefield, which is kind of what you're saying, right? You need the standing. You need the research. You need the information. But there is a point. How long do we do that, right? How long do we operate in that in between to where we actually get to the point of real elections? Because that is unsustainable. And I feel like we've done that several times now, right? We've done it two major national federal elections, the 22 midterms and the 2024 general election. But we've also had the municipal elections around the country that have been run on the same ecosystem. And we have not seen meaningful change. We've seen attempts. We've seen people try to change it. But the

the draw, the mental grip of people on, we're going to lose the midterms. It makes them turn their brains off and they can't, they, they can't question or, or demand, you know, logical consistency. And that's the thing, like, I got a little hot there. I know, but saying that people that are considering not voting are lazy, that is a problem for me. Because nobody that I know that is considering not voting is approaching it from a lazy standpoint. It's not like, oh, screw it. I just don't want the country anymore. It's am I

perpetuating the problem? Am I continuing and enabling the problem by continuing to participate in something that is obviously fake? And people get really triggered about it. It is a conversation, in my opinion, we need to have because it's so divisive, but also because it's so important. It is that this is the entire thing runs on consent. The whole the whole corrupt temple runs on the idea of consent. And the way that they secure our consent, secure our consent is fake. And we can't say that because we might lose the, this is getting harder to argue. It's getting harder to argue.

And the more that, you know, the more we do argue it, the more we do argue it, the more it's like what the idea that we can't we can't do something else right we can't have consent i think that this um eo and i uh i met with the mountain state badlanders last night we had a zoom call and those guys like at the end of the zoom call we're all agreed to do hand counting training here in colorado and that's great citizen grand juries and the tactical civics guys those guys have great ideas we can do hard things americans the american people are amazing what we need to stop doing is begging a corrupted system to unfuck itself because that's not going to happen. That's not how that works. And we need to be honest about that. And yeah, I mean, don't like I got, I had the same

reaction to that lazy comment as I have when people blame voters for the outcomes of fake elections. We say, well, the people of Colorado voted for this. Eat every last dick. You have no idea how the American people voted, how the people of Colorado voted, because we've been obstructed. in every attempt to get transparency on that. Yeah, and while I have a lot of confidence that President Trump, this is a front of mind issue for him and one of his top issues, if not the top issue, it's the one thing he's been hammering on for the last six years,

going all the way back to just before the 2020 election, quite a bit before the 2020 election. The only concern I have, and this is kind of, you know, I'm kind of throwing a little cold water on the, you know, the momentum of the idea of him doing something right before. is we just watched the primaries go by the wayside. And, you know, Peter Tickton was on here saying that in Bear County, they got a complete leftist that won the GOP primary. And so sure, that person is now going to be on the ballot for the 2024, 2026 midterms, excuse me.

But even if we get it corrected by then, guess what? We've got the same, you know, we've got their predetermined candidates for each particular party, whether it's the Democrats. And there are Democrats that are going to be more favorable to your populist Democrats than what they're getting now, the establishment and the status quo. And that, you know, I don't, you know, we couldn't really debate or not debate, but we couldn't talk really because there was like a delay issue with the, with the mic. And so it was, it was unfortunate because we couldn't get anything and you get dead air. But, you know, when he was saying that we could get a super majority for the Democrats, if we don't get this fixed, I don't think we do that. I don't, I really don't think that they would get a super majority because a super majority would pivot this country too far in one direction either to the left or to the right, the quote unquote left or the quote unquote right. And that's not what they want.

They want to keep going the way that it is right now. Well, maybe not so much right now. Pageantry. You need to keep the pageantry because you need to, you need the people to believe that they actually have a say. What you're describing and the kind of two kids, it's Pam Anderson and Janet Griswell. Yes. It's the Republican and Democrat version of the same exact platform. And the system continues. The system stays entrenched and in place and globalism expands every single time, no matter who wins. Yes. Did you, did you, I saw you were watching daily today. Did you see the clip of Tulsi Gabbard about the machines from Puerto Rico? We covered that when it happened. I know, but we didn't, we didn't know that they still had them secured up. I mean, we knew they went in there. Yeah. We knew they went in there and took them from a took them to a. It took them to a. secure location. We knew it was at the request of Puerto Rico because we debunked that back when it happened. Yep. We sure did. And the crazy part about it, they've still got them and it's got

Democrats freaking out. Mark Warner freaking out yesterday about the Fulton County rate or two days ago. Was it two days ago? About the Fulton County raid to Tulsi to D&I Gabbard. Let me be professional here. And then of course, the House hearing that they had freaking out about the machine. So we shall see. A lot of things should be coming down the pipes. But before we land this, anything else? Not on this topic. Well, do we put the EO somewhere?

I don't know if we have, do we have the permission to publish it? I'll send an email and find out. The date on this thing is April 12th, 2025, the EO. So I wonder if this is something that's coming. We've heard a bunch of that you and I both have sources, you know, some of the same sources, some different sources. close to the matter in the White House. And there's been rumblings, you know, unconfirmed rumblings that something big is coming.

I was asked. A lot of the source familiar with the matter. Yeah. I was asked last night in that Mountain States Badlanders Group meeting, what is the likelihood that we can have no, all, this was all mail and ballot question, but like no all mail and ballots in Colorado for the November election. What would, what would, what would, what would need to happen to make that happen? Somebody asked me. My initial response was an act of God. I mean, you would need, you would need

a major disruptive event to take place for anything, I think, to happen changing how elections are conducted in November. Because we're so close. right once you're in the election year it's it's it's a failed you know it's it's a doomed endeavor to attempt to yeah yeah there's no time they tell you there's no time we can't change it this year it's election rigging if you try to change the election system in an election year except i think if there's some sort you know you think about like um that at that philippines hearing remember the philippines hearing with a sons of bitches like that guy like if we had something potentially ostensibly in the trial or in the primary that leads to an awareness,

then you could potentially have change that would impact how elections are done in November. But I mean, I think that's crazy far outside chance that anything changes to elections before November. It would be a proof point for some sort of plan if we did get a change to how elections are done in November. I don't, you know, I don't doom out on it. people can hope for it. I think it's a good thing to hope for. I think that it's not impossible, but I think that it would take significant revelation. No, we have people. We know O'D and I, Gabbard is a good example. Laura Lumer's out there saying she's going to resign soon, that Tulsi Gabbard is going to resign soon. But we have, we know that in the,

in the hands of the people who are empowered with statutory authority to make change, that they have the information. We don't need to conduct another election to get more fraud evidence, right? There is enough evidence of fraud to solve this problem, in my opinion. I'd be interested in what you think about that. Do you think we need more evidence, you know, another rigged election for more evidence of fraud? No, and I, and what I think we could potentially see. You know, you bring up, we need the Philippines, Tiodoro,

Loxin, whatever it is. You saw my bitch to Hyder Garcia. You said, you pulled us there could be fraud, but you would be a animal. But here, so here's the thing. We've got 2020 evidence from Fulton County in the possession of the FBI. We've got 2024 and potentially 2022 and 2020 evidence from Maricopa County for the previous election. We've got voting machines from the primary from Puerto Rico. All of this in the hands of our intelligence, our investigations agencies and essentially the executive branch. We've got some

great people. I mean, we know a lot of them that are working on this and working around the clock on this. And so, you know, if you do get that son of a bitch moment, it could come from not just the 2020 ballots, but also potentially the 2022 election and the 2024 election and a primary election. And when you put all of that together, you then at that point have, you know, the the impetus to put forward a national emergency to call a national emergency. So I think that could be, that could be what leads to this is putting all of this together. And for that, you do need, I think, a catalyzing event, right? Like you can't say because of the 2020 election,

we're declaring a national emergency right now in 2026. I would support it. You would support it. The majority of Badlanders would support it, I think. But the population at large will see that as election interference. The media apparatus will absolutely scream from the rooftops that it is election interference and it will create more problems. However, if they do what they do every single election,

particularly in the primaries, because as Brian mentioned when when the the best way to steal an election is it's in the primary because then it does sure you know both can yeah it doesn't matter who wins in in November right if you if you steal it in the primary it doesn't matter who wins in November because you've got both sides and we see that a lot a lot of different lobbyists a lot of different you know influences in our governance and are and the decision rights over Americans, we see that controlled opposition dynamic. They control both sides.

So the primary is really where people need to get out. You're, you know, if you're going to vote, and I am going to vote, I, you know, I've committed at least through this election to continue, as Mark Elias calls it, the pageantry of democracy. I'm going to say that every single show, by the way. I can't believe he said that. I cannot believe that the founder of democracy docket called local people being involved in elections, the pageantry of democracy.

He is wigging all the way out if he said that quiet part out loud. We need a stinger for any time we play Mark Elias clip where it leads in with a pageantry to democracy. Oh, yeah. We do a stinger for that, but also we should just pull that clip of him for the soundboard. Anytime that anybody's telling us to stop talking about election fraud because we might lose the midterms, we'll play Mark Elias calling it the pageantry of democracy. Yeah, I'm there. So what else do we got?

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and the latest on Tina Peters. and all of those, you know, all of the other storylines, because there's a bunch, there's a bunch of storylines and the primaries are, you know, now underway. We actually have elections happening. We have questions about the elections that are happening as we do every time that we have elections, which is our new normal. So, you know, that's kind of, kind of part of what we're trying to figure out is how, how is this going to work? Are we just going to keep having elections that we're not allowed to verify forever? He seemed, Peter Tickton seemed very confident that this election was going to be different. And I've talked to, as a gubernatorial candidate here in Colorado, that's a friend of mine.

And he has the exact same position. You know, he has spoken with the administration and the FBI and others. And he is a state legislator here and a local pastor, but he's also an election denier. Like, you know, like everybody who is intelligent and demands logical consistency is because elections are fake. But his position is that Jenna Griswold is going to attempt to do what she does and it's going to be a sting essentially because there's so many different eyes on and different, you know, law enforcement investigative apparatuses paying attention and involved in it. And that's, again, why, you know, this is my position and it's a, it's a tricky spot to dancing. but I think I think I'm going to stay right where I am. Elections are a battlefield.

It's the most important battlefield that we have. It is the fight to actually either legitimately give consent to be governed or to prove that that's not what's happening and it cannot be derived from this system. That's the most important battle that we have right now. And, you know, we've got, we've got a long ways to go because as happens in every election year, everyone shuts their brains off and joins a campaign team and starts cheering for their favorite candidates. I know for some folks, it's like, midterms, whatever. But in my state, it's the midterm election, the federal midterm election is when we get our governor and our AG and our secretary of state. And there's a ton of ballot measures and all sorts of things.

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