Bandsplain - 24 Question Party People: Alison Mosshart and Jamie Hince of The Kills

Episode Date: October 17, 2023

This week on '24 Question Party People,' we have a first—two guests at the party. Together, Alison Mosshart and Jamie Hince of The Kills reflect on their long-standing friendship, making their first record in seven years, learning new things to make new music, and more. As always, important touchstones like protein shakes for tour prep, navigating a tabloid onslaught, and growing up a bit sensitive are discussed at length. Join The Ringer’s Rob Harvilla (‘60 Songs That Explain the ’90s’), Yasi Salek (‘Bandsplain’), and Chris Ryan (‘The Rewatchables’/‘The Watch’) at the Teragram Ballroom in L.A. on 11/16/23 to celebrate the release of Rob’s new book based on his hit Spotify podcast. Click here for details! Host: Yasi SalekGuests: Alison Mosshart and Jamie HinceProducer: Jesse Miller-GordonAssociate Producer: Chris SuttonAdditional Production Supervision: Justin SaylesTheme Song: Hether Fortune Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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24 question party people. Four question party people. Hello and welcome to 24 question party people. I am your host, Yossi Salak. This is a show where I invite an interesting person on for a little talk. I ask the same 23 questions every time, more or less, plus one wild card. The guest is allowed to skip one question. Sometimes the questions change a little.

I don't know, babe, go talk to God about it if it upsets you so much. You guys, I don't really feel like talking or being fun. funny today. I'm sorry. Sometimes, you know what? Sometimes I need to clock out of the podcast clown factory. Okay, I'm only human. Even podcast clowns need a day off. But I did have so much fun with the kills in this interview. I've never done two people on 24 question party people. So I don't know how I was going to go, but I think it went really well. We had a blast. And honestly, I'm so fucking grateful that this is somehow my actual job working at the podcast clown factory. I mean, I hope you're all well and that you enjoy my talk with Jamie Hintz and Allison Mosshart of The Kills.

Here it is. You guys, I'm here with the Kills. This is a real treat for me. I'm a big fan. You guys have a new album coming out, first one in seven years. What? I know. Can you believe?

what have you guys even been doing? What a surprise. We've been like learning. We've been trying to download Google. You've been watching YouTube tutorials about Pro Tools for seven years. You better be really good at it by now, honestly. I'm kind of, I'm an absolute wizard at about like 5% of it.

You could have become a doctor in seven years. You know what I mean? It's true. All right. Well, that's really around me at home. You could have been a fucking doctor. I could instead. became a podcaster and my parents are so proud. Let me tell you.

It's probably more money in it than being a doctor these days, potentially. Patently untrue. Simply. I mean, unless you're like, you know. Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan or perhaps one of those comedians who do smartless, but not over here, not your friend Yossi over here. She's getting paid the small to medium bucks. You guys, before we get started, I have to tell you, Allison, I'm sure you don't remember this, and that's totally fine. But I actually interviewed one time before, a decade ago.

I used to do a fashion week live stream program for Garage Magazine and Kenneth Capello brought you by. We love Kenneth Capello on this program. Shout out Kenneth Capello. I do not think he listens to my other podcast, which is called Bandsplain, where we explain bands. He likes that one, but he does not listen to this one. but maybe I'll be like, hey, we talked about you, throw in the headphones and listen. But anyways, you were very lovely,

and I just want to tell you that I remember. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Awesome. Okay. Are you guys ready to get started to this party? Do you know what the gist is of this show? I hear you're going to ask us some questions.

As interviews do tend to go. I'm very lazy, so I just have the same 24 questions for every person that comes on here. For you guys, some I will ask you individually and some I will combine. Okay. Okay, great. Let's fucking go. Why not waste any more time?

Also, I'll tell you the new album is very good. And waste or peace is my favorite song, just so you know that I did listen to. Yeah. I also like the last song quite a bit, better days. I really got in my head. Yeah, it's a banger. Good album. Seven years worth it.

Okay. Number one. sort of backhanded compliment there. So sorry. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to bring that up again. I was been seven years. Both of you, what is your astrological sign? Sagittarius. That's right. You're both Sagittarius.

Okay. So Sagittarius, first of all, are you guys astrology girlies? Not really, but sometimes I get in the mood to read about it. But no, I don't understand it at all. And I don't know about anyone else's sign but my own. Yeah, I think that's generally at that level. we know about Saj and I know like Capricorn because that was my ex-wife so I need to need to know who's a Capricorn. Sure.

My ex-boyfriend was a Capricorn and I stand with you in solidarity and we can have one of those like support groups if you like. I like Capricorn. Yeah. They love to work. They love to work all the time. Only working. Well, Sagittarius.

A gorgeous sign. Fire sign. Mutable sign. Adventurous, rebellious, independent. natural flirts. Do you guys relate to these qualities? Yeah. Perhaps. I mean, they're all very great qualities. So I'll just say I'll take them. I'd rather be a natural flirt than an unnatural flirt. So I'll take that. Yeah. Nobody wants to be an unnatural flirt. That's not going to get you very far.

Sounds really creepy. Well, they are also known for being blunt, having a short tongue, brutal honesty, and being noncommittal. So there are negative traits of of Sagittarius as well. Yeah, I can relate to that as well. Do you guys feel like being similar? Do you feel like you're similar, first of all? And if so, do you feel like being similar helps your working relationship? I think, well, I'm like the very first day of Sagittarius

and he's the very last day. So I think, yeah, I think we're quite different. I mean, we get along brilliantly, and we understand each other really well, but we're on the opposite ends of the spectrum. There's a core of difference about us, opposites really, in a lot of things. I'm the one like that dinner party telling a story and gesticulating and knocking glasses over. Alice is very kind of organized and regimented and not such a whirlwind.

Not clumsy, I see. Well, it makes sense to me, given that Sagittarius has loved to continuously change. And you guys have absolutely been evolving yourself. sound since day one. We try. Good segue. Good segue. You're like, that's good.

Oh, yeah. Small to medium. That's a small to medium level. I think it's gone up a bit after that. Let's write my boss and get me a raise. Okay. Number two, this question is for Jamie.

Jamie, Mr. Hens, what did you eat today? I had a vegan chocolate protein shake. And just now, I had some pan-fried salmon in these kind of bums that Allison recommended I got. They're made of like nothing, really. Are they like keto?

Are we having keto bread products? Which I miss thing because we're going on tour and I don't want to look like, you know, floppy, flabby, out of shape, idiot. So I'm doing things to prepare for the tour. and I had that with some salad that Allison made. We have a Grand Prix weekend where I go to Allison since she cooks amazing lunch. And she gives me they were a leftovers. So I had some of that salad with it.

It was phenomenal, I have to say. This is a really excellent day's eating. I feel you could get a little more protein, Jamie Hensom, if I'm being honest with you. You know, it's really, it would be good to get one gram of protein per pound of body weight if you're really trying to like up your game. Is that true? Yes.

I mean, if you listen to the newest science. Well, I'm also taking steroids. Yeah, have you, have you guys seen that meme where they're like, they don't have one song where they need to be doing all that? Like, I feel like you guys don't have like one song that you need to be taking steroids and doing all that for like before tomorrow. But I respect your commitment to doing that.

I am not. I'm not taking steroids, I promise. People will start thinking that and I'll get comments on my Instagram. I can tell you're doing steroids. Yeah, we're going to leak it here to... I have had steroids in my finger because it's been a problem. So, cortisone, I believe, is a steroid. It is, yeah.

I think that's pretty common. I've had that injected into a zit before at the dermatologist. That's how they get rid of it. Yeah. No, it's a beautiful thing. They just inject it right in. it goes away. Wow.

We should be allowed to do that ourselves. I believe so too. I think so too. Allison, are you a big cook? Do you love to cook? Are you vegan? No, I eat fish, but I am vegan otherwise. No dairy for me. But I really love cooking, but I don't really care about cooking for myself.

But if there's any excuse, even one, just one more person, I love to cook. Yeah. You're nurturing. Alice, she's the lunch. She's the lunch duty. I'm the dinner, juicy. What kind of cooking are you doing, Jamie Hens? I make a lot of things.

My favorite thing is this fish pie I make. It's kind of a Jay Shiki, fish pie. Jay Shiki? London reference. It's our favorite restaurant. It's a restaurant in London we love. Yeah. Your people do love to make pies of various meat products.

Yeah, it's not a pastry pie. Okay. It's not a pastry pie. Are we like a crab cake, but a fish? No, it's more like potato-based. I think that there are people love to call things that are not pies pies. And I think that's where the confusion is. So there's a lot of different kinds of pies that don't resemble a pie.

That's true. In anyway, I did have a trout and potato paddy type thing when I was in London. I purchased it at the farmer's market. Was the potato all built in? Yeah, all built it. No, no, built in. For it to be a pie, the potato would be on like mashed on the top. like so there's layers and it'd be served in a pie dish hence pie I hear you and I say this with

love and respect your people are not known particularly for their cuisine but that does sound really good it's good yeah yeah the food there's got got a lot better I agree I think as the more multicultural we get the better the food yeah that's good and also I love that you can buy raw milk in London at the farmer's market. I'm a raw milk girl. That sounds so gross. Did not know that. From what? From human milk? No, I don't think anywhere has currently made available human milk byproducts, but I wouldn't not be interested. I do take a powdered colostrum and people are always like, is that human colostrum? And I'm like, do you think that they let you sell human colostrum? No, it's from cows.

Raw milk is very good for you. Allison, I understand that you don't eat dairy, but it is very good for you. It's packed with vitamins and nutrients. And pasteurization kills all the vitamins and also the enzymes that help you digest it. Actually, I've brought you here to talk about raw milk for the duration of this podcast. We're like, cool. Okay, number three, this question is for Allison. Allison Mossart. Did you listen to music today? And if so, what was it? I did. I listened to the kills. because I need to remember we're going to do some radio shows later this week and there's a couple of songs you were playing and last night we were messing around on a acoustic guitar and I'd forgotten all the words. So I'm just still a little bit of studying. It was stunning. Like songs I've sing every day for years. I don't know what my brain is like.

It's just like that's not important information today. So that is unavailable to me. Wow. So I have to listen to it. Two follow up questions. Is it weird to listen to your own music or are you just? kind of used to it because it's been a thing that you've had to do forever. I don't really do it. I don't think it's weird, but I don't really do it unless, you know, I'm checking a mix or recording something

or, you know, checking a pressing vinyl or studying to play a gig. And second question, do you have other people's songs memorized that don't leave your brain for some reason and yet your own, sometimes you can't access? Sort of, but not really. I'm not one of those people that remembers every lyric to every song. I have friends like that. It's a very impressive. that's not true. That's not true. It just depends what I'm listening to. Because I have that habit of like when I really love a record,

I'll listen to that record only for six months. Sure. It's the only thing I'll listen to. Yeah, and because I just love it so much. So when I'm in that phase with a record, I'll know all the words to it. And then I'll get in that phase with a different record and I'll forget all the words to that other one.

Right. I'll know. Jamie, do you sit around and listen to your own records? I want to say I don't. You do. I do. I think it's, I tell you why, I mean, I don't feel like I have previously. Obviously, I have to listen to mixes over and over and over and over again.

So my records are always, I probably listen to them more than any way else. I'm going to say, you have to listen to the song millions of times to approve mixes and change things. But I find that this record, I actually listened to this record last night. And it's the first record I can remember that we've done. I think maybe our first one, but this one, I just don't feel like it's, I feel like I can listen to it as if it's someone else's record.

I don't know why. And I'm enjoying it. I think it's because it was like such a whirlwind making it. Like in the end, it took a while, not seven years, but it took, you know, a couple of years to write it. And then we went, but the actual time in the studio was really short. Like, the entire thing took probably three weeks in the studio. And so it's kind of like I'm listening to the new, it feels like new versions to me.

Yeah, so I feel kind of, I can listen to it as if it's not my own. I've not had that before. Part of it maybe is that we finished it a year ago. Yeah. And so the anticipation for me, I'm sort of over it now. Like, I just want it, I'd want it out. I don't want it to be mine anymore. I want it to be out there on your steroids,

fresh off your protein shake, and perform it for the masses. Exactly. Give the people. Roid rage. Give the people what they want. I think that's a very good sign that you like to sit around listening to the record, it must mean it's, it must mean it's really good. But it is.

Well, it is. I'm in part of, so much of my job is listening to our songs over and over again anyway. So it's hard. I'm just, I've finally just, you know, differentiated the work. Like, this feels like I'm listening for pleasure. I didn't have to listen to it last night. You just wanted to. It must be really cool.

I had to listen to my own podcast for the first two years and every episode is three or four hours long. Not this podcast. Don't worry. You'll be out of your own time. And I think I experienced like complete ego death by the end because like at first I was like, wow, your voice is annoying. Classic, normal. My voice is annoying. And then it started to go to, wow, all of your thoughts and feelings are annoying. That's interesting. Just everything you say and think is so annoying. And then I got to this other place where I was like, and so it is. And so you're annoying. And then what? Oh, I thought you were going to say, so I, so I changed. No. Then I was like, and then don't listen, bitch. The police don't make you. It's not, it's not illegal to not

listen to my podcast. If you don't like it, keep it moving. So anyways, I have, I think you're very energetic and refreshing. Oh my God. Thank you. Right. More money. More money. Thank you. You almost at the big bucks. I mean, look, somehow, some people listen to me talk for five hours a week and got literally, God bless them. Couldn't be me anymore because I don't have to, but I wish them to the best. I think that's a little weirder listening to podcasts. It's super weird.

I can't stand listening to myself talking. Because I would be unable to that. I'd hear every little. No, it makes you want to kill yourself. You're like, oh, my nervous laugh is that frequent? Fantastic. It's not aware. That's so cool.

That's really cool. But now I don't listen anymore because it's none of my business and everyone else can do what they want with it. All right. Number four, Jamie, this question is for you. Jamie Hintz, what is the first song that made a meaningful impact on you as a we lad? How we. I mean, it's the first, so I don't know how old you were, whatever age it was,

where the first song made the meaning. Really like 22. My mom finally let me listen to rock and roll music when I was 18. Yeah. I heard of the Beatles. Well, I grew up as a wee lad in Africa. And I had no friends. It was just me and my sister and the animals.

I know it sounds like I've made this backstory up. Yeah, this feels big. We just used that. I'm sorry, but Billy could continue. And my mom and dad would drive me and my sister around and play things on the radio, and we would just sing along. And one of those things was Obla D, Obla D, Obla D. I knew you were going to say the Beatles.

knew it. I literally, I was going to make a joke about it because I was like, surely he's not going to say a Beatles song, but then you did say a Beatles song. There was that and there was another one which I really liked it, which I can't, I can't remember the name of, but it was like something like, it was Simon and Garfong. I was going to say is it. Grace Land by Paul Simon. I literally was. Well, that's a kind of a joke about Paul Simon stealing African music to make Graceland, but you, I was. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So a Simon and Garfuckle song. What song was it? Yeah, there was that whatever, it's like 76th Bridge Street song or something, whatever that, like feeling groovy, that one.

So we were kind of like a mini-partage family, expats that would drive around, you know, Africa's theme white songs. I'm obsessed that you just say Africa, because it's like an entire continent. And there's absolutely no specification of what part you were a child in. Because it was Swaziland, which is now called Eswatini. Swaziland and South Africa.

Wow. A place called Nelspray in South Africa. You and David Matthews were both raised in South Africa. Are you familiar with David Matthews and his music as band? It's like Dave Matthews. No, I'm not. I know who he is. Well, you obviously knew who he was because you corrected me.

So you're lying now, Jamie Hens. You know who Dave Matthews is. You asked me a two-part question. You asked me if I was familiar with him or his music, and I am not familiar with his music or him, actually, I'm not familiar with him. Well, I didn't really make it over the pond, okay? We don't get familiar.

You know, Europe isn't really big into jam bands. However, it's very good music, and Allison knows she's from Florida. She's aware. She's aware of Dave Matthews. I know, I know, I know there's, you know, the, who story. That's the only one I know about him. That's the only thing I know. It's very sad that that's the legacy.

It's like how you two, I went to go see you two at the sphere and on the, on the, play in the flight attendant was 22 years old. And she was like, who's you two? Is that the band that had put the album on everyone's phones? And I was like, that's such a bummer. Like, that's really just what it's, it's left at now. Like, you made. four perfect albums and

that's fine. You just put the one. That was something else. Oh my God. I'm remembering that whole thing. I didn't get it. I felt a bit left out because it didn't get on my phone. And I actually fucking know on it. So why wasn't it on my phone? You were still on Blackberry back then.

So was I. Yeah, maybe that's it. They didn't know how to put it on Blackberry. RIP BBM. They had to make, you know, new software to remember, because there's so many people, demanding it be removed from I think people were being

a little, like, hatery. Honestly, like, it was a kind gesture. It does, it's fine if it was on your phone. Like, it's not a big deal. Everyone really lost their whole minds. As if Bono, you know, is not a great humanitarian, never forget the Super Bowl after 9-11.

He brought the house down. He brought everyone to tears. You don't remember. Oh. I missed that. Now streets have done, yeah. I miss that. Beautiful. Tribute to 9-11. We've wandered far from God's light of the questions here. Okay, so did those songs make you want to be a musician? Obla di, obla da. I don't think so.

No, I didn't know. I just wanted to be like, I just wanted to stay out of trouble and have some friends. That's all I wanted at that age. I wanted to be a good boy. I just wanted friends. I was very sensitive, yeah. I just wanted some friends. Yeah, I did this.

I just stuck a tongue out of me, and I'd never had anyone be horrible to me before, and I just couldn't believe it quite my eyes out. And that was a Sunday school. That was at a Sunday school where they printed crosses on your fucking forehead, like the Manson family. And if you talked, they'd put cellar tape over, what do you call it, scotch tape over your mouth. Sounds so lovely.

Yeah, I feel like maybe I should be brave enough to tell this story now. Yeah. You know, people should be accountable, held accountable. I'm a little stuck on the fact that it was so traumatizing for you that a girl stuck her tongue out. Yeah, I know. That stuff sounds wonderful. I was like four. So perhaps three and a half.

Four. And I don't know. I remember it's one of the saddest things. Days of. Oh, honey. No, but there's something here. You know, you map your whole, you map your whole how you view the world from your experience. between the ages of like one and 10.

And this was clearly very formative for you. Is that true or is that, did you just make that up? It sounds true. It does sound true. And there's no way for you to disprove it. So. No, no, no. It does sound true.

I do think it is true. I really feel like it's true. I feel like you make subconscious, like, rule systems in your mind that are based on things that you learned before you were able to, like, parse meaning. And if you do enough, like, fair, and stuff, you'll, like, start to uncover, like, little ones where you're like, oh, wow, I do this because when I was, like, five, my dad taught me this thing that, like, I never forgot about. And it's been shepherding all of my decisions ever since. So I don't know if that

has something to do with your relationship with women, babe. It might be worth it to. I don't know. I'm not a, I'm not a licensed therapist. That's what I'm saying. What if it does? Perhaps you could do some work around it and really free yourself. I do like horrible girls. I do like girls that are a bit me, that are a bit horrible to me. I just feel like we've stumbled upon something profound here in your past. And I do like that little cross. In the bedroom, I like to do a little cross on them.

It looks cool as hell. I mean, who can who can who can who can, who can say what it's been doing to you. All right. Well, we've we've exhausted the end of that question, I think. Okay. Number five, this question is for Allison. Allison Mossart, what is the first album you bought with your own money or shoplifted with your own two hands? Oh, I wish I had that one. I'm sorry. I just, I mixed them. You can answer if you want. I think, because I was asked this question the other day and I wrote, because I do remember going to the Beero Beach shopping mall that no longer exists and going to the

little very 80s wood panel walled record store and buying a cassette tape of bleach, Nirvana's bleach. Fucking cool as hell answer. Pretty good answer, yeah. And I remember that. Before that, you know, I would ask for records for Christmas and stuff, but

all the earliest records I ever had, my dad would bring me home bags of cassette tapes because he's a used car dealer and he would buy cars and this is in the era of all cassettes and cars, you know, and he just find all these tapes when he was cleaning out the cars he was going to sell and just bring them back to me. So I discovered Led Zechlin that way and that was pretty huge. But you knew about Nirvana on your own. Yeah, this was later when I actually had money and I went to the store and I bought something.

Yeah. How did you know about Nirvana? That's a pretty, it's a pretty, bleach is a pretty like on the cutting edge thing to know about. Totally from the older boys. skateboarded next door. God's heroes, the angels of our lives. Me too. They taught me about punk. I was like, discharge.

What's this? This is cool as hell. Thank you. We owe them a great debt, I think. Jamie, do you want to answer that one? You seemed upset. Would you like to also answer that question? No, because I remember me and my sister went to the shop the same day. We must have been like 12 or something. I was 12, she was 13, 14.

and I bought Eat to the Beat by Blondie. And she bought Madness. I can't remember what it was cool. That's cool. It had like baggy trousers. No, it's not cooler. Blondy to the beat's cool. It had the hardest part on it.

Oh, yeah. She's an amazing song. We kind of did a little cover of that. And then I convinced my sister she didn't like madness and so she gave me that. So I got two for the price of one. It's also something to unpack their therapy. You can miss her. She didn't like her own record.

the manipulation that you employed to get what you wanted. Yeah, you're going to edit this first of me about my treatment of women. I don't have to edit it. Don't forget. She stuck her tongue out at me. She started it. I'm an ally. 24-11.

Number six, this question is for both of you. You can answer one at a time. Did anyone in your childhood ever tell you? you're never going to make it or something like that, like they do in the movies. And if so, who was it? And what did you say back? My dad told me that.

How old were you? Like, what, you had already decided I want to be a big rock star and your dad was like, get over. I mean, it was like later on. I was in my 20s, actually. And my band had been dropped by the, by a label. And I was doing this solo project.

And it was a miserable time. I was on antidepressants. I was like, really not. I was fucked up. and I was trying to make this record for free by working in the studio and this guy was an absolute cock, the guy who ran the studio and he would call me Toby, you know, like from roots, like Conso Kinti. It's horrible.

Honestly, I'd be so on the verge of crying that whole time, period of time. And my dad told him, said, you know, stop, just stop, just stop. just, you know, you're wasting your life. And what did you say? Do you make hands? I can't remember. I feel like I probably agreed with him. And I just, but it was determined to carry on.

You know, that kind of fork where I was like, wanted to make my dad proud, but also wanted to not fail myself. Totally. Do you ever, like, remind him of this time when you're like, Hey, babe, have you heard of the kills were iconic? People really like this band. He never saw any of my bands. He never ever came to see me, except one show.

He came to the Roundhouse, didn't he? Yeah. Him and my mum came to the Roundhouse, and he said he liked it. But that's the only show he came to. Did you tell him that you were friends with Bonner? That honestly, babe, that would not help my case. Wow. your dad, your dad also not a YouTube

also mad about the album on the iPhone I see. Yeah, no, I hear you. My dad made me go to business school, so I have a master's in business administration. And look at me, I'm a podcaster. So dads, they mean well. They mean well.

What about you, Alison Mossart? I'm trying to think it wasn't, my parents never said to me I would amount to nothing. I feel like I was constantly confronted with energy from family and teachers. to that degree, but no one said it. I definitely had a couple of teachers in school, who music teacher actually,

I remember just being so awful to me. And bizarrely, I was always first chair in percussion. I was definitely the best player and it was always like, he's always giving me shit, like not in a cool way. And that really made me not want to play, you know, do that anymore. So, and I stopped. But I didn't, you know, I don't think it was particularly my path in the first place.

I didn't want to be a percussionist in the symphonic band. It just wasn't my thing. But I like music. You know, maybe the only time of my life that kind of really made me sad was when in my very first band when I was like 14. I was in the band for about two weeks and then I got fired from the band on the school bus. And they tell me, you know, it's not going to work.

You're too shy to be a singer. We'd just like. Oh. Yeah. And I was true. And I was really just like. So shy. And so.

I was very shy. I mean, it's true. So I understood, but I just kind of kept on like making my little songs and things. And then they got this older guy named Eric, who's lovely, to sing in the band. And they did a few shows. And then I don't know. They just decided, no, we want it to be a girl. He wanted to be Allison. So they got me back in. And then I just worked out my shyness a bit. And then did that band for like six years, you know, and that's how I met Jamie. She wouldn't, she wouldn't, um, rehearse in the same room as there. She would like take the microphone with the long cable and go in the house while they rehearsing the garage.

That's very shy. Very shy. Very horrible. It brings tears in my eye. It's very sweet. Those boys threw you out of band. I know. Thank God they had you back in or else I would say you should just like mail a palette of kills

records to their house every. every year on their birthday. Actually, I had Darius Rucker on, and he answered the question, and he was like, yeah, my uncle said I whatever. And I was like, do you ever just want to send him the hoody and the blowfish cracked rearview, which, by the way, is the 16th highest selling album of all time to this day? Do you ever want to just like literally send him every year, like 100 CDs just to his door with like a little note every year? Just, hey, 100 new cracked rearview CDs have appeared at your house. I did make it, babe, just so you know, no, baby. Well, I'm glad you both soldiered on for me and for the fans.

Okay. Number seven, Alison Mossart, when was the last time you lied? I literally can't remember. You're not a big liar. I don't know. I don't really feel, no, I'm not. I'm really not. I suck at it.

First of all, I really suck at it. It makes me feel bad and I'll immediately correct myself. I haven't been confronted with a reason in my life as of late for a long time where I feel like I need to lie. Are you the kind of person? Then like if I called you and I was like, Allison, it was so wonderful. I really felt like we connected.

Do you want to go to dinner with me? And then you would be like, no, because I don't want to. I don't know. I am not like that. I'm not like that. No, that's weird.

So maybe like white lies, but you know. Somewhere where they have fish cakes. Fish pies. Yeah. Fish pies. No, but if I couldn't do something and I mean,

I'm pretty good at letting people down gently for real reasons, you know. But like straight up lies, just like making shit up to get something or whatever. Like Jamie did to his sister to get the madness record. You hate madness. You have to give it to me. She did actually though because she ended up getting into like this like I can't remember Howard Jones.

You did that to her. She could have been so cool. She could have had a cool trajectory and then you took madness. She's not into music. She's not into music. We'll never know. That was a real turning. I lied earlier today.

Yeah. I'm lying now. Yeah, you seem like a liar. You seem like someone who is probably lied in this conversation. Never. That's my dad told me that. Never believe a liar. Yeah.

Smart. But how do you know? That's not really good advice. I'm lied about that. I'm not really good advice. Okay. Okay. All right.

Number eight, this question is for Jamie Hintz. What character in a book or film? do you relate to the most and why? Alison's like, book. You're like book, what is that? Bill, a movie.

I don't, I mean, I just don't know, really. I mean, there was a time, this sounds awfully pretentious, but there was a time when I was really quite,

well, I would say obsessed because that's an overused word, but I was really interested in Raskarunakov from crime and punishment. And I wrote a song, I wrote a song Last Day of Magic, was me as Raskarov in that book. It's like me. I'm playing him in that song.

And it's, I'm in my little dead apartment with all my guilt and all my fears. Yeah, what is it about the persecuted murder of the Russian, the Russian literature? What really spoke? Where did you see yourself in that character? I'm just curious. I know put it like that doesn't sound very good, does it? But I'm on the spot.

I didn't research the questions you were going to ask. I could have come up with something else. I also could have come up with something worse. That one sounded true because you did literally write a song from that perspective. So you're not lying. I'm not judging. I was simply looking for more context. I think that's a fine answer.

I think that's a relatable character. People love Dostoevsky for a reason. I'm more of a Tolstoy girlie myself, but... Okay. Fine by me. I was trying to think of a sort of Tolstoy joke. Or like I could think of what I was going to call you an idiot. Right.

Sure. I think that might be Dostoevsky. All happy podcasters are happy in the same way, but the unhappy ones are different, unhappy. At least you didn't say Catcher in the Rye. You'd be surprised how many men say Catcher in the Rye. It's a real go-to. It's either on the road,

Carowac Carowac or Holden Caulfill. Oh, that guy, that little Oscar from the tin drum. I love him. Yeah. I love him. Okay, maybe that's more your like your highest self. Yeah, because after that girl, after the girl stuck her tongue out, I refused to grow up after that moment when I was three, just like Oscar.

That started your hero's journey. Okay. Number nine, Alison Mossart. What was your biggest sliding doors moment? Have you seen the film sliding doors? I have but explained. Most people have not seen it. Most men have not seen it.

So you know how in the movie, either she gets on the train or doesn't get on the train and the timeline split. But for you, the question is more like if you had made another choice, you definitely wouldn't be where you are now. I really think it's that

coming to London and playing with discount and meeting Jamie and that kind of sparking me wanting to work with him and me just getting on a plane and coming here and doing that. It was that day of getting on that plane with like no money, no plan. And had I not done that, I don't have any idea where I don't know.

I don't know what life would have looked like. Do you think this count would not have continued? I don't think so. I think I was personally at that point in my life like really wanting something else, really wanting to play a different type of music or be creative in a different way. musically. So I was kind of actively like feeling that and thinking that towards the end of that six years. And I also knew I did not want to live in Florida at all. I never had even since I was like two, I would just complain about it all the time just like hate it. It's hot. It smells.

It's full of bugs. It smells like rotting oranges and dead fish. This place is all like literally. I always just such a little bitch about it. But I still am when I go down there like, oh my God. It's so oppressive to me. I just don't like it. So I think that's the point. I think that was the moment when I just took that chance from the age of like 15 into like 30, that sort of serious bravery you have and maybe lack of responsibility or certain things in your life or you know, you don't have like commitments in the same way quite yet. Maybe I'll take, bring that back to about 20. But you're, you know, the whole world is wide open. You can go. in any direction and that was the direction I went in.

Let me ask you a follow-up question. How did you go from being so shy that you wouldn't rehearse in the same room as your band to forcing a grown man to be in a band with you when you were 18 years old? I didn't force him. I didn't force him. No, and I was 20. I was 20. I was so shy though with him.

I mean, I was shy. I was very, very outgoing on stage. I kind of discovered this. about myself really early on when after I'd gotten kicked out of discount and they came back. It took like three or four shows before I realized that I was so safe in that. That was like my safety zone, just that stage. It was like my space. And I could be or do whatever I wanted there.

And that was okay. So that was completely liberating for a shy person, you know. And I knew I could do that. And I suppose it was getting to know Jamie over the years where I was when I started talking. I don't remember the day I started talking, but one day I just started and I didn't shut up. He was like, wait a minute. But it's true. There's that, I saw her, it was kind of those days of like DIY. So like when, when her bad was over here, when discount were over here in London, you know, they just, these people got got them a local show at the local pub. And that was the first time

I saw her perform. And I mean, I didn't think of consciously, but I couldn't really work out how the hell this girl who couldn't speak was going to be in the band, front person of the band. And it was absolutely unbelievable watching that. I said, honestly God said to my friend, I was standing next to him,

this was at the point when I was, like, my dad had told me to give up music. I said, like, if I'd do another project, I want to do it with her. And that was a, we hadn't really spoken to each other. That was also your sliding doors moment because you were there, despondent. Your father had told you give up.

Absolutely sure. Go work at the mail, what do you call it, the post office? No, he had bigger ambitions for me than that. Sorry, I just researched the Smiths and read Morrissey's book, and I remember them telling him to go work at the post office and they wouldn't hire him. He also didn't get hired at a Target in Colorado, which is the funniest thing I've ever read in my entire life. He applied to work at Target at 18 years old in Colorado, and they said no.

Why, because they could foresee he was going to be a big, bigot racist. I don't know. Yeah, I think he just didn't have your customer service skills required to work at the target in the 80s. Anyways, so yeah, that was your sliding doors moment, too, was Allison's band playing at the pub and you finding a new path forward. I'm so jealous of shy people. I'm like violently jealous of shy people and people who don't talk a lot. Because you cultivate this air of mystery that is just so beautiful that I'm absolutely incapable of doing. just simply cannot shut the fuck up. Yeah, she still uses it against me. It's a weapon shyness.

And if we disagree on something, I really know. She just stops talking because she knows I'm just going to talk myself out of it. Can you teach us how to do this? I'm literally constitutionally incapable. So now when I get those silent moments, I know what's going on and I will be silent. And it's just like we have these little standoffs. The Mexicans standoff. Like it seems like like 50 seconds of silence.

And then she'll go, are you still there? I'm just being shy. Like two can play at this game, bitch. Okay, I'm going to practice. This is my New Year's resolution for next year. I'll get started early. Be quiet. All right.

Number 10, Jamie Hens, Jemet. What characteristic are, you the most drawn to in other people? Well, I mistake insanity for excitement. So I think that kind of adventure, I mean, it's not like I could, I could say what I wish. I'm just taking it in. I say, yeah, I sort of, I like wildness. It's a very Sagittarian answer.

You like chaos. You thrive on chaos. Yeah. They do a little bit, yeah. Is this also, do you think, tied to the tongue sticking out, or perhaps there's another root cause of this? I would not never have ever put those two things together, but I'm putting a lot of things together after this podcast,

but to do all trace back to that girl. Can you believe that this is free? I don't even charge you for this. That's why you're only on the small bucks. That's why, because I am not, my master's in business administration did not pay off. Yeah, that's an interesting. quality to be drawn to?

Is it just that you don't like to be bored and you find it exciting and predictability sort of puts you off? Yeah, I mean, it's not just like, it's not like why, you know, it has to be sort of artistic and it has to be something kind of ambitious in that wildness, not just like someone, you know, flailing around on the ground. Okay, we've all dated men and bands. We know what you're talking about. The artistic wildness.

so chaotic. They're so mysterious. Who knows? What is what is behind all these decisions? I can't keep up. No, I feel like it's, well, cliches are cliches for a reason. I think it's totally okay. That's actually at least an interesting answer. Almost everybody says sense of humor. So I like it when someone says something different. Yeah. When someone's like, when someone's absolutely chaotic and off the fucking rails and like perhaps dangerous and maybe they have a gun, that's my thing. I've done that so many times when I'm just like, oh, I did. Yeah, so I've had to be rescued for some. Your memoirs will be titillating.

You're titillating. Okay. Number 11, Alison Mossart, who is the last person you met that you were star-struck by? I know, I know you guys be hobnobbing in Tintletown. I know you'd be rubbing elbows. So who was it? It was, is it Brian Fox? is that his name?

Brian Cox. Brian Cox. Oh, Brian Cox from Succession. Yeah. That's a good one. I ran into him at a at a Vogue party in London a couple weeks ago

and I just was mesmerized. Trying to have a conversation, but his voice is the same and he is that character. He's exactly that person. It's so wild that I felt like I was just like inside of an episode of Succession and I was pumped.

Do you remember when I met Greg the Egg in McGoll? in the belly. He was not talking to me about salmon. And it was like, I don't know why we're starstruck by succession. But it was like, I was like, I really wanted to say, you're Greg the egg. You didn't say it. First of all, I feel like Greg is very easy to run into.

He's really tall. He's really tall. He's in these, he's in these streets. You know what I mean? He'd be out here in these streets. Did he recognize you? I don't think so. I pretend.

The longest conversation. You had enough time to run to your car to try to tell me that you ran into him and then run back inside the fish store and keep talking to him for a while. He thought he was not, he thought that there was a, he thought trout was just a sort of lower quality salmon. No, he's not familiar with his fishes. He's not British like you and fish pies and cakes are not his, his birthright. Did you call him Greg or did you learn his real name? I didn't call him anything. I very sort of politely.

Just explained. Explain Trout to him. I didn't recognize him because I thought that that was, you know, from my being brought up, I feel like it's kind of rude. If you're like, oh my God, I love you in this,

by the way. So I didn't make a scene. I just chat to him like he was a normal seven foot superstar. Sure. You were like, well, this is what Trout is. Also,

just curious, do you like indie sleys type music? I'm just wondering. Is that what? Indie slees? Do I like indie slees? No, I'm saying, is that what you said to cousin Greg in the deli? I was going to say, I think we kind of are indie sleaze to some people.

Well, I mean, that's what I'm saying. That's why you ask him. I would say like I realized. I wasn't, I wasn't in. Yeah. Not all of my jokes land. Not all of my jokes land. I'm not a perfect person.

Okay, Huba Stank voice. Let's move on. I'm doing my best here. You did great. Thank you so much. Hymie Hintz. Okay. Number 12, this is for you, Jamie Hintz. When was the last time you slid into someone's DMs? This is an audio-only podcast, but I'm just listening very attentively. I've leaned in to hear the answer. Well, the last time I'd DM someone who was Allison. No, no, that's, you,

you know that's not what I asked in Jamie Hins. You're skirting the issue. You did, and I haven't read it Yeah, let's see. I know. That is not sliding into someone's DMs when you DM your band member and friend. You know what I'm saying here. Lana Del Rey is in Witchcraft. Not Alison Mossart revealing her the link that Jamie Hans sent her is about Lana Delray being open about practicing witchcraft.

I'm dead. No, because the guys I run, I was like, oh, shall we go? Because there's a whole witchcraft before, like, the audience are completely under her spell. And I was like, oh, should we go? I would go. I would absolutely go. I honestly don't think I ever have. That's your life.

Now you're fully lying. It's absolutely a bold, based lie. What are we going to do? How long have you got? You're going to just sit here until I tell the truth? You're going to use the silence trick on me because you don't want to answer when you slid in someone to be in.

Wow. Okay. Well, you guys, just for the record, Jamie Hince will not. He's ashamed to answer the question about him to slend to someone. I mean, it doesn't have to be sexually. It could be like, oh, I loved this artist's music and I wanted to tell them. So I used my blue check to get their attention. No, you don't do that.

Warren Ellis. Warren Ellis. That's a good one. That's a good person to text. Did he answer? Yeah. I asked him if he would produce some songs on our record. And he said yes.

No, he said no. You said, Warren Ellis. Do you like Indiesley's music? And he said, no, heart. He actually said this was like, I mean, this was a while ago before we started recording our record. But he said, you know what you're doing. You don't need a producer.

And he said, and I'm a terrible producer. So I don't really produce stuff, only my own stuff. Which is sounded like exactly what I would say. To a bad one I didn't really want to produce. Otherwise known as a lie. well he's he spared your feelings and that was kind of him so thank you Warren I love him I love him I know we're fans in this in this house we love the Nick Cave extended universe coincidentally and Nick Cave would not come on this program because he hates

questionnaire podcast he hates questionnaire formats and so he said no I understand I think we would have really gotten along and he would actually like it but I understand everyone should have their own bound to Yeah, because this is so, it's not really, it's, it's conversational. Well, next time you talk to your mate, Nick Cave, you tell them, that was fun. You should go on that podcast. Yeah, I will. I will.

Okay. Number 13, this is for Allison. Alison Mossar, what is the horniest song ever, in your opinion? Oh my God, I have no idea. You don't keep a playlist of horny songs on your computer? No. But it's probably that like Serge Gainsport, Jane Birkin's song. with all the breathing.

That would have to be, you know, I remember when I heard that, I was like, oh. Me too. Oh. What's happening here? You can do that. Yeah. You're allowed to do that.

You're allowed to simulate orgasm on recorded music? This is crazy. There was loads of things that came out on records. It was like this kind of learning curve of like, oh my God, you can do that. Oh, my God. You can have a song called. too drunk to fuck. Oh my God.

Dead Kennedys is a great band. Thank you for bringing them into the conversation. That's a good. I can't stop thinking about the Guns and Roses song. This is his name. I always forget where Axel Rose is actually having sex with a porn star, and they recorded it, and it's in the song. Really?

Yeah, my producer always remembers the name, but I always forget it. Is that horny? Do you think a horny song? I think for horny songs, like really the entire Prince catalog is acceptable as an answer. Whatever is acceptable to you you think that's a horny song. Crash into me by David Matthews.

Talking of Nick Cave, that is a version of Stagallee. That's amazing. Crawling over what is it, 50 fat boys assholes to get, no, what is it? Crawling over 50

good pussies to get on the bad boy's asshole. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of horny. you know, kind of. Very horny. I think all of us. That's the horniest you can be, is you?

Crawling over 50 good buses to get to one fat boy's asshole. Yeah. Nick Cave's entire, entire catalog is quite libidinal. That's also a good answer. All right. No one said Dave Matthews band, but I would offer that to me is a very horny song. Jamie's like, I don't want to talk about Dave Matthews band anymore. Well, too bad bitch. It's my podcast.

Okay. Number 14. This is for both of you. What is the biggest money you ever turned down? What was it for? Easy. 750,000. What was it for?

It's for a Carlsberg ad. It's the problem. Is Carlsberg related to ISIS? Like, what's the issue? It was for a song called Superstition. And it was for the European, it was during the European, It was during the European Cup or the World Cup, and they wanted to use our song. I thought it was a Super Bowl.

No, it was soccer. It was soccer. Because they wanted to use our song superstition. And then they were going to have all these like, you know, Dave Beckham doing his kind of lacing up his left boom first and his right. And then all these people doing their kind of ritual, superstitious rituals. And it was a, this would have been like 2003. we'd only just started our band. And I just, we were, we'd kind of started our band with being in love with like,

uh, Fagazi and that kind of thing. Sure, sure. And it was in a time when it was just like, you know, I'm obviously older than Allison, but I can't, I still find it hard to, I still feel like some of these commercial mainstream decisions are, do chip away your longevity and I didn't want to be known as that. We could both collectively agreed. It wasn't me that was saying no.

It was B. Anne Allison that said no. But yeah, I could do it if 750 grand, right? I was going to say, do you regret? Just a little bit, are you like, I mean, fuck you, Ian Mackay? In the end. Because, well, because at that time, it was like, it was imaginary.

It didn't mean anything. We used to live off like 50 quid a week. And we lived in squats. It was like 750 grand. It might as well have been like a trillion billion and a trillion and gazillion made up money. Sure. Now that we have mortgages and things,

it sort of seems a little bit more like important. And now that there's so few ways of making money in a bank. Not to pour like salt and 750. That's, you know, that's just shy of amazing. million dollars. That's a lot of money for not even a bad thing. We love your. Back there to 750 pounds, probably worth of a million. That's it. That is a million dollar. Yeah. And then you have David Beckham and it's a nice man, nice looking man. All seems really

great. Different times. I was hoping you guys would trump the top answer here. The top answer here is one million dollars and it was the band Thursday. Okay, fine. You called it. You're right. Okay, but their story is a little bit, it was a little bit funnier. It was the band Thursday, and they were offered an American Express print ad, and they said no. And then they put Huba Stank in it, which I don't know why I can't stop laughing at. He told me this story three months ago. I sometimes just have walking, and I think about Huba Stank being in the American Express ad for a million dollars, and it just makes me laugh. Wow.

In a print ad? In a print ad. That's wild to me. Wild, wild. Well, I'm sorry for your loss. And once again, Buckingian, okay? I don't regret it, but I know,

Arleson, but still holds a little bit of a grudge against people. Again, I don't see that. We love beer. We love European football. David Beckham. Gorgeous, beautiful face. What is the problem? It was a really different time.

It was. I would never make that, I would never make that decision now. just because I'm much more of a realist. 2003 is before, I believe it all changed when the shins put a song in a McDonald's commercial. And I want to say that was like 2004 or 2005. And then Modest Mouse very quickly also put something in like a minivan commercial.

And then it was like no holds barred. But like those, that was like kind of the turning point where people were like, oh, we can do this. Fuck it, bitch. We're doing ads. But yeah, you guys were a little bit before that. And I totally understand you were keeping it real.

You came from punk backgrounds, I understand. Okay, number 15, this is for both of you, or either one. What's the best live show you've ever seen? I would say the very best live show I've ever seen was Igie Pop playing for the Post Pop Depression record with the Queens of the Stone Age Boys in Paris for a television show. I don't remember the venue. Jamie was with me,

but we both, like, nearly cried. It was in Paris. Yeah, it was a TV studio. Yeah. Okay.

That's really good. Is that yours also, Jamie? Well, it was, it was pretty, it was pretty mad because, I remember sitting, going and sitting down outside.

I had to sit down. Not because I was exhausted, but because it was just overwhelming. Yeah. At that time, it was, and the guy that plays keyboards with us at that time, he said,

um, he's like, oh my God, that might have been the best sure I've ever been to. And I was like, I didn't want to say that. I felt stupid, but I think it was the same. It was fucking incredible. It's like he'd been away for a long time. And just, I don't know, I mean, just if you can start your set with a lust for life, song that you wrote and it's lust for life, it's pretty incredible.

Yeah. I thought you might say one of the shows that I played with Iggy. thought. Wow. It was pretty great. I only saw one though and it was really great. She was like that was number two but this was number one. No, that's definitely up there that show. That's very cool. Sometimes it just the best is just the emotional response to it and it really compounds when you think you're never going to see someone and then you get to see them you know like like that really like I got I saw pavement after they reunited in 2010 and for me it was like the biggest deal ever and I think I cried the whole time.

It was just like, to me, one of the best shows ever. I don't think you could say it's objectively one of the best shows ever. I mean, one of my best shows was this band The Mob, who I'd loved since I was 6, 14, 15, but I'd never got to see them because they'd broken up. And then I got married and Allison was my best man and she got the fucking band together. That's an incredible gift.

And I walked into a pub and they were playing. And it was honest to God my favorite. band in the world when I was a kid. I changed my life. And I was just crying my eyes out and dancing and singing every fucking word for an hour. Awesome. I was like, I just called them up and gave them $100. And it was not a big deal.

They weren't busy. Not a lot going on. That's very... It's like my tour manager debut. No, they were the sweetest. They were so cool. It was an amazing gig. It was awesome.

Oh, that's really cool. Okay, the rest of these are for both of you until we get to a place where I say it's not. Okay, number 16. When in your life were you the most fucked up, wasted, hammered trashed? Most people seem to answer this with a time period, and I understand you guys are rock stars. Oh, goodness, like 2007 to 2012.

Which is very funny to me. Maybe I need to reword the question. I'm really looking for like an instance, not like a 10 decade period, but that does seem to be people's answers. I'm just like, wow, praying for you guys and you're a fucking, you know, organs, but, you know, like, when did you wear the lamb show? No crazy story. Maybe, maybe the Primal Scream tour was.

Oh, boy. Probably. Yeah, probably. First time I've sort of been like dared to do stuff. Like, if you don't do this, you're fucking not, you know, you shouldn't even be on this tour. Yeah. But in a brilliant way. You know, like, in a pretty brilliant way.

They're amazing people. But it was like non-stop. Non-stop. I need to like compile. Okay, so my other podcast, not selling you guys on it. You might enjoy it. Maybe you're on long flights. It's called bandsplain.

We explain bands. Anyways, primal scream comes up a lot. I haven't done primal scream yet, but exactly what you're talking about has come up in so many different episodes. Depeche Mode Dave Gahan, where he was literally the most fucked up of his entire. life, like on death's fucking door. And they go on tour with primal scream. He's crazy. And they interviewed Bobby Gillespie after. And he was like, yeah, man, I thought he'd have fucking

dude. He had like no drugs. Like it was like, it was like fucking like, they were lame. And I was like, this man was dying. He was so fucked up. He was dying. And Bobby Latsby was like, I don't know, it was kind of mid, honestly. Like, they didn't have any drugs. I'm like, this is crazy. And then the Afghan wigs, I don't know if you guys are Afghan wigs fans. I'm a huge Afghan wigs. During the recording of gentlemen, Primal Scream was. recording next door, and they all go out together, insane. And Greg Julie came back and did his vocals literally high off his ass on cocaine because he was partying with fucking Bobby Lasby and the rest of Primal Scream. And that's why the vocals are so awesome on gentlemen, because it's like,

like method vocals. You know what I mean? Anyways, there's a couple more stories like this too, but it always blows my mind. I mean, this is like, I can't imagine. No band has come and been like, oh, we blew primal scream out of the water. Oh my God. The guitar set. Tartek. He used to have this big wooden sort of spoon or like it was like a paddle and he'd just put lines on it and then he'd like sat behind an amp and he'd feed it out and then you know Bobby would do his stuff and then he'd come around and then I'd pay back it was just it was it was just out of control legend behavior honestly no one is like them and it was like not they were never not hungry is it just Scottish people do Scottish people have like a different like

they're like Australians do you know I mean, you know how they just have like some sort of Wolverine makeup DNA where they can just handle more than other people? Yeah. Scottish people. They're just like mutants to these people. Yeah. I don't know, they have just a different tolerance.

I suppose they're more Viking, aren't they? They're more closer to Iceland. Icelandic people are like that. Yeah. It's like, uh, just don't care of all of that. I'm going to have a little sleep on the street. you know, I'm just going to lay down here. Yeah.

How about what I'll sweet. It's like, I'll be up in a minute. It's just like fucking Vikings, man. Honestly, this is semi-related, but not totally. I really want a Scottish boyfriend. So if you guys know anyone, because I really, I'm really, I'm an anglofile, much like yourself, Allison.

And particularly I want a Scottish boyfriend because I think the not being able to totally understand what he's saying all the time would be really like helpful for like, a long-term union, you know Damien? So if you know anybody. They say what they mean, those people. How would I know, babe?

I can't understand a fucking word they say. Whatie from the exploited. I was always like, I had that live record. It always totally make me laugh. Like every song, it's like, Anya you's a lot like sniff and glue. This one's for you.

It's called sniffing glue. No men's words. Anya-us lot unemployed. This one's for you. It's called unemployed. And it's like every song was introduced like that. It was like,

that's a really good record. You and Tim Armstrong from Ransom sharing that. Have you read Alan McGee's book? Sorry, I've diverged fully into Scotland. No. Alan, I haven't read it.

Oh my God. I haven't finished it, but it is the fucking funniest thing I've ever read. I bet. The way he talks about Jesus and Mary Jane. Wow. He's just like,

they're the two most depressed cunts on earth. They would have won the fucking lottery and been sad about it. it. It's just so fucking I live for this shit. I literally love for this shit. Okay, sorry. That's so brilliant. It's really good. It's really good. Okay, moving

on. So, so sorry. Number 17. This is for both of you. It's a two-part question. They're in tandem. What do you love the most about being famous? And what do you hate the most about being famous? And don't say I'm not famous. That's a really hard doing because I really, I mean, I'm just going to say the thing you don't want me to say, but I don't feel like, I don't feel famous.

I don't know. What do I love or hate about it? Well, I mean, obviously, like that, the paparazzi thing, and like the British tabloids during that period of time was, when I was living in England was just horrible. I just, it was just, I couldn't look at anything. I couldn't open a newspaper. It was so mortifying and crudely.

And it was at that time and there was all those gossip magazines like Perez Hilton all that crap. It was just like, it would just be like, you know, picture of me and like he'd just draw like a fucking knife in my head and just being like

ugly cump. Just like, it was like, and I would not look at any of those things. But my friends not, didn't understand what was happening either. And they would just send me things like, oh, have you seen this? And it was all really cruel.

Yeah. And it just fucking absolutely horrible. Sometimes you wonder why, you know, people in the limelike like that live, you know, in a bubble. That's why you have to sometimes. I'm kind of the best thing is not being in that anymore, you know. That would be my biggest fear about being famous enough for that to be happening because I'm way too sensitive for that. I hate it. I mean, I really, really hate it.

I hated England for that kind of tabloid culture. Yeah. But I think maybe changing the word to successful, my favorite thing about being at this place that I am in my career is getting to see the whole world. It's by far the best thing to be able to go everywhere and have something to do when you get there. You know, have a reason for being there. And getting shit for free. Thank you. Be honest.

Okay, sorry. I'm out here begging for athletic greens with my modicum of podcast fame. I don't get anything free. I don't get anything free. Do you paid for that jumper? I use the parlance of England. It's a gorgeous jumper. I would really like it. Where did you get it? I'm sorry, this is an audio-only podcast, but I just need you guys to know that Jamie Hens is wearing really the loveliest sort of like, you know, mustard yellow-ish, beautiful mohair sweater. Can I have it? You know what? Yes, you can. This is the best podcast ever. Yes, I'm really sorry that you went through that. And that makes total sense of seeing the war. world.

Mid 2000. Oh, my God. It was one time, like, I had a, had a fight. We had a, me and my ex-wife had a fight, and she just left me with her driver, and I was left at this club, and I was outside, like, just with my head in my hands looking like, shit. And I stayed out all night, and then I got the train home. And I was, all these people had free, those kind of free newspapers. And I was on the front cover with my head in my hands, like, while I was on the tube.

In the same outfit. In the same outfit, because it was the same night. And to add insults or injury, no one even recognized me. I love how your answer is somehow both about being famous and not famous enough all in one. Yeah, English tabloid culture seems absolutely fucking unhinged. I just watched the Beckham four-part documentary and I was like, damn, these people are brutal. Brutal. They're brutal.

It's amazing. that people don't like... Phone hacking. So much hacking. All that shit. It's totally insane. Yeah. And you have a cottage industry,

a famous people I've literally never heard of. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All these people are like, I don't know who the fuck this bitch is, but like... I don't know. It's all these people on like... There's this rotor of people on like strictly come dancing, which is like start...

What do you call it? Dancing with the stars. Yeah. Yeah. We have strictly come dancing, which is all kind of lower echelon of celebrity. And then, you know, all these things like... I don't know who anybody is.

On any of it. It's all like that, you know, celebrity, love island or whatever. Celebrity, big brother. I totally left out of the conversation. I don't watch that stuff. I did watch Naked and Afraid, and I got really obsessed with that.

That's an excellent British export. Not Naked and Afraid, sorry, naked attraction. Have you guys seen this one? Naked attraction, yeah. I've seen it in England. I saw it years ago in England. I was just like,

only the English would want to do something like, like this. Allison, literally, this is the craziest show you'll ever see in your entire life. It's like a dating program where the people, the contestants are behind these boxes that they slowly lift up one segment at a time and they're completely fucking naked. So the first thing you see of everybody is a close-up shot of their like entire cock and balls or vagina, like close up. And it's like normal people. It's insane, bro. It is so fucking insane. I was screaming. I was like. It's actually very un-English. It's very not English. Apparently it was on at like 10 p.m. I talk about, this is like the third episode I've talked about it because I haven't gotten over the trauma of this show. It's just like so crazy. Okay. I was going to say something about the mid-2000s also being my least favorite and

ugliest time and that having a lot to do with hipster runoff and Perez Hilton, but you guys know you were there an American apparel and we won't even get into it. I don't want to think about it. Okay, number 19, this is a wild card. I feel like Allison is, I can guess that she's, doesn't have this, but do you have a nemesis? No. I don't think I do.

Do I? I feel like you might suggest one. I think you might have someone in mind. Me, I don't have someone in mind. No, I have no nemesis. No. Okay, I have a better wild card. Are you still going to give me the jumper? Yeah.

Oh, am I going to get the jumper? That's all I really care about. Okay, great. Number 20, Jamie Hens, when was the last time you cried? I mean, the last time I cried properly, because I've had a couple of those. But the last time I cried properly was absolutely uncontrollable, was after that first Iggy pop show. And everything had been building up.

I was really worried financially and rehearsing for Iggy and that kind of stress fit and what was expected was so great. And I was really, I was just rehearsing all day and then coming home and staying up to three and four trying to learn more songs. And oh my God, it was just, and then we did the first show. And I woke up in the morning

and I got all these texts from Allison that I hadn't seen. I hadn't dared to look at my phone. And they were all like these texts of encouragement. And then after the show, texts of like how brilliant the show was. And I just called her up and I couldn't, I was uncontrolled.

of it was like, oh, good, that's so sweet. So that was earlier this year. I've had a couple of blubbers, you know, like The Simpsons.

The Simpsons? Cartoon program? No. That kind of thing. Did you play with Matt Halders with Iggy Pop, or was that a different time? No, it was Chad Smith.

Oh, of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, one of my favorite bands. And, no big deal. And Duff McKee. We love death McGagan. Guns and Roses also of the punk band The Farts. No one remembers this.

Seriously? Yes. He was from Seattle. That's real. He was in a Seattle. Why were the Farts bigger? Why didn't they not make it? Why did they not make it? Farts with a Z, gorgeous. Okay. In case you thought we were punk and we thought it might be serious.

You're going to have to do the Z. Well, you know. Jeff McGagan did okay in the end. He did. Okay, number 21, Alison, what is your greatest regret? Oh, my God. You're like coming on this podcast. No.

Oh, my God, I got a second minute. I'm far of mine. I have, like, a lot of, like, guilt about not being around my brother or my niece or my parents more because of my work, but it's not really, like, I worry when that will turn into a regret. I think I worry about that. that. But like in my life made plenty of mistakes, but I don't really, I don't really try to, I don't really regret that much. I don't know. I don't know what it would be. It's a big, big one.

I think that's okay. Some people just don't believe in regretting. Well, I mean, I do believe in it. You know, it's like if I really, really hurt a person or really fuck something up, I have to think about that for a while. Right. Okay. Well, I'm so, pretty big question. I'm really sorry that I've now for the next like five days. This is just going to be on your mind in the shower and stuff. I'm just going to make a list of every regret and try to figure out which one is the biggest. James is going to be like, awesome, what are you doing? You're like, I'm just thinking about that regret question.

I'm making a couple of lists. Okay. This is for both of you. Number 22. What song would you like to hear just before you die? Just before I die. You thought this was fun, huh, bitch? No, we've turned it around.

No, it's very serious. Now you have to think about stuff. Wow I always think like at your funeral just before you dies and so you're last You have to hear I have to listen to it

and then it's lights out That's right Exactly I wonder if I'd want something Really kind of Fun like family affair Mary J. Blige You know

That's sort of like groovy Or would I want It's got it's kind of A little bit lighthearted Isn't it? I don't want to do anything Too heavy to pair Do you?

I see a darkness No. Nothing depressing. Nothing depressing. Something happy. Maybe something that makes you, reminds you of like a really happy time. Well, I would say God games. Wow. The whole album. Yeah. The whole album. Oh no, we could stretch the time out. Can we do a box set? So it lasts a bit longer. I think I would honestly like to hear like a song off our first record that would just make me feel really, I don't know. know, like kind of see like the trajectory of my life, like hear, hear my voice as a young person, hear Jamie's voice, hear us like the moment when I'm like the most alive, maybe like kissy kissy or something.

Yeah. It'd be really great. It's such a nice. I don't know. I think that's what I would like. If we die together, we can request that. Jamie was like, I want to hear Mary Dea Blige and you're like, I'd love to hear the artifact of our time together and this beautiful when I was young.

It's a much better answer. Okay, number 23. This is for both of you. What do you think about me? About you? That's right. We quite like you, I think. I love you.

I don't have a gun, Jamie, or a drug problem or anything, so I don't know if I'm like totally your type. I'm quite worrying, actually. I'm just a podcaster. I go to bed at 9.30. That's okay. I've got a gun. I used to be too fun if we're being. honest. I've said on this program before

that I've done meth and stuff, but we don't need to talk about that. I'm a different person now and... I think you're very witty and I think you're fun to talk to. I've had a rip properly this is not me lying.

I've had a really good one. I've loved this. I think you're smart, clever, witty, hight. Oh my god you guys. Stop it. Oh my God. stop it. You're really praying.

By the way, you guys can't see this. I'm like literally sitting in the dark. You can make out the shadowy contours of my face. And he's like, you're really pretty. Thank you. And the bright light of day, maybe not so much. But, you know, time marches on. Thanks, guys.

I really like you too. And the last question, number 24. What do you want to plug? Plug, like as in do our own little commercial right now. Well, we all know why you came here. We all know you didn't come here today just to talk to me out of curiosity and admiration for my work. So what would you like to plug? Well, I would really love people to listen to and especially buy, please buy our album.

It's the right thing to do. Yeah, think about that. Think about that Carlsberg money that they said no to. They need it. Yeah. Help us out now for maybe. my biggest regret. That was my thought.

If we plug, if we plugged Carlsberg, maybe they'll come crawling back. Yeah, it's out on the October the 27th.

It's called God Games and it's by us, the kills. Yeah. And that's as as plug as I can be. It's a great album. I listen to.

Please buy it. Just buy it. You know, I'm only saying please because I want you always to be in the cool gang. If you don't want to buy it, it's fine.

That's just like me. Stay out. Stay out there. you're not legally obligated by it, but you should buy it because Jamie Hens is giving me this really expensive sweater. And Tom Ford is not cheap, you guys, and he's going to need to purchase a new one. So I think you should buy the album. Thank you for coming on, Jamie and Allison of the kills. Thank you.

Thank you so much. Come back next week for a new episode of 24-question party people. Hi. Thanks for listening to 24-question party people, and thanks to my guests, Alison Mossheart. and Jamie Hens. The Kill's gorgeous new album, God Games, is out everywhere October 27. This episode was produced by Chris Sutton and Jesse Miller Gordon with help from Justin Sales. Our gorgeous theme song was composed by Heather Fortune. Special thanks to Allison Smith, Sean Fennessey, Rob Harvilla, and Athletic Greens.

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