Bandsplain - 24 Question Party People: Anthony Anzaldo and Ross Farrar of Ceremony

Episode Date: February 27, 2024

his week, we come to you live from Brain Dead Studios in Los Angeles, California, for a very special episode of '24 Question Party People' with Ross Farrar and Anthony Anzaldo of Ceremony, on the eve of their front-to-back performance of Ceremony’s iconic album 'Rohnert Park.' Topics include Ross’s early Pearl Jam phase, Anthony’s last lie being seven months ago (which sounds like a lie), and a new take on the “never going to make it” question. All that and more this week on '24 Question Party People.' Host: Yasi SalekGuests: Ross Farrar and Anthony AnzaldoProducer: Jesse Miller-GordonAssociate Producer: Chris SuttonProduction Assistance: Julie OrlickAdditional Production Supervision: Justin SaylesTheme Song: Hether Fortune Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yossi Salek. This is a show where I invite an interesting person on for a little talk. I ask the same 23 questions every time more or less, plus one wild card. The guest is allowed to skip one question. Sometimes the questions change a little. I want you guys to remember that there was like a very early, I don't even know if we would call it a meme, but a computer internet graphic that was pickle and dark glasses and like ray bands would fall from the sky onto his face. It was a gift. And it would say dill with it. I just want you to picture that. You guys, today I don't have a lot for you. Just some light housekeeping. It's possible that I relapsed on the band's plain subreddit. Okay, I'm sorry, Huba Stank Voice. I'm not a perfect person. I only self-harmed

on there for like a few minutes, but I get it. It counts and I'm back at zero days. I am humbled. It's actually, I guess, four days now. Anyway, in those few minutes that I did happen to be poking around where I don't belong, I did read a thread from some people that seem to be very angry that I keep getting the parts of the UK and Britain and England wrong in how I refer to them, which is fair. They said I was being racist, babe. Babe, I barely know the geography of the United States, okay? I'm not racist.

I'm just dumb, babe. It's different. Anyway, one person did include a handy infographic that I did save for reference. I did not even know there was a place called Guernsey, Guernsey. Respect to Guernsey. But to be honest with you guys, because I try to keep an open dialogue with you here, I will probably not learn this and I will keep fucking it up. Just like A levels and O levels.

I'm sorry, it's none of my business. Apologies to the residents of the Isle of Man, though. Secondly, in our housekeeping, speaking of the UK, I think I'm getting that right here. If you listen to my episode with Joe Talbot of idols, you might have heard us, I think it was like two weeks ago, you might have heard us talk about a Catholic monk who emailed me and did manage to work into his email that he understands why I, I say people complain about my voice being annoying, but he did, in fact, charitably come around to it. Anyway, I was mostly joking because, you know what, I don't care if anyone, man of God or otherwise, babe, thinks my voice is annoying.

That's fine. But I guess he listened to that episode, and he sent me a very kind email to apologize and to ask my forgiveness. So it was really all worth it to have a literal Catholic monk ask me to forgive. and me being a godly person, you guys, of course. Sir, of course I forgive you, Sir Monk, Mr. Monk. Not to be confused with Mr. Monk, Tony Sheldon, on the television. I'm actually going to send you an email, Mr. Monk, because I have a lot of questions, actually, about monkhood, monks who listen to podcasts, how monks find podcasts, just general monk life questions. So keep it on your inbox, babe.

Anyway, that's it for the housekeeping to the sub. Keep on keeping on, babe. Tap away. I promise not to visit anymore. I am clean and sober. And also, I am very sorry. I talk about the same things on most episodes. You seem upset about that too. It's because I'm just a dumb bitch who lives in L.A. and loves raw milk and weightlifting and Grey's Anatomy and Gilmore Girls. And outside of whatever band I'm researching at any moment for work, I don't have any other interests. Okay. That's all I have. going on. And you know what? I'm not going to invent a new fucking personality every episode like a psycho just to keep it spicy. Tell it to a wall, bib, or tell it to God. Tell it to the Catholic monk. Today's episode was recorded live at Brain Dead Studios in Los Angeles with my guests Anthony Anzaldo and Ross Ferrar of the band's ceremony, just a few days for their historic show here where they played the entirety of their iconic album, Roner Park. The interview was super fun, super fun to have it in front of an audience. I hope you enjoy it.

Here it is. Hi, welcome to 24-question party people with Ceremony, Anthony Anzaldo and Ross Farrar of Ceremony. They told me to keep it short and sweet, so I won't go into the whole power violence. post-hardcore of it all. We'll save it for the pod. You guys want to come out here? Live podcast. Yeah.

Anthony's like, not until you fucking clap, bitch. I couldn't hear. Oh. Yeah, I'm soft-spoken. Ross was quite concerned with us having walk-on music. Yeah. So he brought his phone. You guys have really strayed from your roots.

What roots are those? Oh, Roanert Park. You ever heard of it? of it, babe, a city in Sonoma County. I'm going to tell you a little bit about it. Tell them a little bit about it. If I can read my notes. 50 miles north of San Francisco.

Sister City, do you know it? Yeah, it's Hashimoto, Japan. Strong. Yeah, that's right. What else did I learn about it? Do you know any of the Rohnerts of the Ronert family, the Ronert Seed Farm that the town is based on named after? Are the Rohnerts and the Burbank's of Luther Burbank?

Are they... Why would they be related? Then they would have the same last name. That's true. But Luther Burbank was... Like a legacy dynasty of city founders? Yeah. Founders.

Cedars. Yeah. Farmers. No, not according to my notes that I copied and pasted directly from Wikipedia. But I don't want to like firmly say no. Sure. Anything is possible. Anything is possible.

One thing I did want to... ask you about, do you know about sudden oak death fungus? Because that would have been a fucking sick name for an album that you guys really blew it on. No. Because that's a risk in the Ronaught Park area. It's never heard of it. Is this a disease that's specific to Roner Park? Yes.

Sudden Oak Death fungus. North Bay disease. Wow. Let's fucking go. I will say when I moved to Rona Park when I was eight years old, I developed very bad seasonal allergies that I never had before. So maybe. Okay. Okay. I don't remember it was like really the same. It's a little bit. Kind of a pussy. Maybe seasonal allergies are are a precursor to the sudden death. I have really bad allergies. Um, okay, so let's talk about the other owner part,

the third full-length ceremony album. Yeah. I gave it a spin the other day. Yeah? Yeah. Took it out for a ride. Um, we've been taking it for many spins the last few months, rehearsing it so we could play a show where we play. It's in its entirety on Saturday, I hope that all of you can be there and make it. Amazing inclusion of the plug right at the top. Yes. Seamless. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's our third album. It came out 14 years ago. Many think this is an anniversary show. It's not. That was kind of the appeal to do the show for me. I didn't want it. You wanted to do it on an off year.

Yeah. Like it doesn't, why does something need to be divisible by five? You're such a contrarian. You're so not like other girls. It's true. Ross. Ross, in 2010, you told punknews.org, and I'm so sorry to already bring punknews.org into this. But when we first started writing Rohnert Park, we wanted to do something different.

Our previous album, Still Nothing Moves You, was a little more thirms. trash or power violence. And this is more of a punk record. We also wanted to experiment a little more. And that's how the doldrums came about. Talk about the doldrums. The doldrums is a reference to a book called The Phantom Tollbooth. It's the first book that I read when I was a kid.

My sister gave it to me, Kristen Schallick, half sister. And I was in Oregon visiting my grandfather now deceased. He was a dirty rotten old bastard. We don't like him. And he never did. His name was Lull Ross. Fuck that guy. Loll.

Yeah. I'm in a real name. Yeah, he was bad. He was, you know, I won't go into it, but he was a bad man. And that's where I read the book, and it stuck with me forever in the doldrums is a place of inactivity. So it connected to the suburbs perfectly. The Rohner Park. Yeah.

Rohner Park. That's right. Do you remember this interview with punknews? No. No. I famously don't remember much. Big chunk. Big chunks of that.

It's a problem. That's a problem a lot of time. Tell you. Okay. Well, I want to say it's a problem. You just throw it, you throw it to me a lot. And that's fine. You remember everything.

What else do I have to do? Truly, what else do you have going on? Oh, yeah. Certainly not eating meat. God, no. Which is bad for your memory? Not mine, but that's what I think. I think maybe.

Maybe there's some ties to Alzheimer's, dementia. My dirty rotten old grandfather had it and he ate a lot of meat. Babe, don't even open this fucking can of worms right now in front of these people because the Reddit is going to go nuts on this one. I eat meat. I love it. I'm not going to have to educate you guys about seed oils right now.

Nobody wants to hear about seed oils at the Ceremony Live podcast taping, but you're going to make me talk about it. So don't push me is what I'm saying. Tell me about the album cover. I must say sick as hell. Thank you. Ross took the photo. A little bit of a photo. It's a bit of a renaissance man.

Yeah. It was taken before we were a band, I think. Or maybe just when we had started. 2003. Yeah, I think it was taken about a year before probably. Yeah. So you guys were in high school when you took that photo. Yeah.

I just graduated. The photo was taken six or seven years before the album came out. We were just hanging out at my house with J.D. JD from Ceremony is on the cover. The house featured on the album cover was the house across the street from where I grew up. Taken by Ross of J.D. in our band. So it's a ceremony trifecta. Candidly.

I see what you did there. We were going to use this shitty old dilapidated barn, white, black and white art. there was nothing there I think there was maybe a little black paint somewhere said like shit or something stupid like that you know some suburban kind of situation mumford and sons of punk

yeah you know smudged and then I was flipping through the negatives and there it was spoke to me I think we made the right choice the barn sounds a little forgettable this is iconic you did a very good job thank you

I want to ask you about quotations departure from sound question mark. I told you, Anthony, the other day that I was on the Power Violence Wikipedia page, educating myself. What is that?

What is power violence? Yeah, I didn't, it didn't take a lot of away. It was confusing for me. What it's not, and I've always believed, is ceremony that people would project power violence onto us in our early in our early days.

And I guess there are there were a few elements that are present in power violence that applied to us. We had very stark tempo changes and short songs. But power violence was more of like a scene and a community more so than a genre music, like a Mad Chester. You know, you can't really be Mad Chester. You're either R or art. And you can have sonic elements or aesthetics that mirror or tribute.

that. But, you know, like Iron Lung would be a much better modern example of a power balance sound. Yeah, than the lineage more directed. Yeah, than Ceremony ever was. I think it was also too, like a zeitgeist, right? It was a specific time. And in those years when those bands were playing, that was the genre. Right. If it goes beyond that, it's fast music. It's like grunge. Yeah, sure. Yeah. It's weird when someone's like, oh, this is a grunge band.

I'm like in this year of our Lord 2024, is it? Are we calling it that? And even if you look back on what everybody was calling grunge in the early 90s, a lot of those bands sounded a lot of different. You know, they were from the same place. They looked similar, but musically and sonically, they brought a lot of different things to the table. Yeah, candle blocks, for example.

Yeah. Got something different to the table. I think personally, really overlooked in the candle. Candle blocks. Left you far behind. Really good name for a band, Candlebox. I like it. Do you think so?

I think it's a good name, yeah. I'm just kidding. No, it's, no. You think it's bad, yeah. I just think it's kind of mid. Like, candlebox? Okay. Candlebox.

I like it. Yeah. You think it's better than Allison Chains? Yes. Oh, I hate that name. What? I hate that name. Yeah.

At first it was Alice N-Chains, like an N with an apostrophe. That's worse. Terrible. They were hair metal adjacent, right? Yeah, a lot of those bands, we don't wait for the... Let's keep it on us. Just keep it. I have a whole Google Doc on this.

We'll discuss it later. Well, let's talk about this. Metroactive critic Gabe Maline wrote, whereas most hardcore bands push to extremes of speed, spectacle, and spas. Ceremony deal in the rare commodity of restraint and show that the original genius of punk rock. letting urgency and purpose carry technically unvarnished music is alive and well. What is your reaction?

Well, it's very kind. I'm quite flattered by that review. Do you feel like you put restraint into your music on purpose? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I feel like we use space and simplicity as a tool, especially starting at Rona Park. I have to say, the Dolgroom is very good.

And into the wayside part of the thing, I was like, okay, Anthony Santriott. Don't hurt them, babe. Guitar Center, solo. Let's fucking go. Did I say unvarnished? Did you call me Anthony Satriani? That's right. Very good.

Sometimes I just write things down and then I have to set them out. All right. Are you guys ready to party? Yeah. Let's party. All right. Party people. Party people.

Question number one. What is your astrological sign? Virgo. Cancer. Interesting. Are we, were we wooing for the cancer or the Virgo? Yes. Okay, gorgeous.

Cool. I was wondering what the like Venn diagram of like ceremony fans and astrology girlies was and it's that person. Yeah. We found that person. Can we go deeper into that though? Yeah. Well, Virgo's little known fact are actually like born artists. They have a, I know.

You wouldn't think that. They are many Virgoes make amazing artists. I've ever heard that one. Yeah. Keanu Reeves. a fellow Virgo. You know, you know all this stuff. Detail-oriented,

thorough, very helpful. Well, I'm simply here reporting the facts, okay? People have very multifaceted charts that might cause other problems. I don't know about. There's also lower expressions of Virgo. They can be kind of, you know, you know how you can be.

For sure. Yeah. Do you relate to, you don't relate to being helpful. helpful. You don't find yourself. Only in small minuscule instances, I think. Right. Okay.

All right. A bit self-serving, a bit self-obsessed. Like many of us, humans are, of course. Sure. You can relate. Not I. I'm getting old, in old age, I'm getting a little better. Yeah.

You're in a lull. Yeah. That's for sure. I was a bit teasing with my, with my, mm-hmm comment. It sounded like from your chest, though. I thought we're going to have some like a fill towel Metallica documentary moment right here on the stage. Ross and I have known each other since I was in the fifth grade and he was in the seventh grade. And it's hard for us to communicate with each other without constantly ribbing one another because we're just that comfortable.

That's your love. So it's, and prodding. Yeah. So anything positive that you could have said, I maybe would have had that reaction. And we have talked about this, Anthony. You're not an astrology girl. You don't know much about it.

I don't, I do not know much about it, no. Cancer is emotional, sensitive. It's nice. Yeah, I would say that a lot of most people are sensitive and emotional, but I can be both of those things. I'm probably less sensitive and emotional than you are. I don't know. That's true.

What? How dare you? This is not about me. Anyways, question number three. Did you guys listen to music today? And if so, what was it? I did listen to music. What were we listening to on the way here? Power violence.

Oh, yeah. We were listening to a prince-inspired playlist on the way here. There were some Prince. There were some Maxwell, Chate. Classic ceremony influences. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dig it. Dig it.

What about you, Ross? We had to drop a sword off to a fellow musician here. A sword? Yeah, sword. Is that we call it a guitar? Kind of, but it was a metal sword. It could hurt something. Oh, a literal sword.

So I don't like me you call a guitar an act. A real sword. I was just trying to think I would miss the lingo. Somebody in a band called Nice here in Los Angeles. Oh, sure. We love Nice. Shout out. Yeah, of Ryan.

Shout out. So we listened to a few of those tracks in homage. And then we listened to Velvet Underground VU, a couple of four songs. And then we listen to Gang of Four Anthrax. Love that song. Neda, what else do? Do we let us do something else? How long was this drive?

Neda? They drew back from Portland, Oregon. From Pasadena to here was 54 minutes. I know. Mine was the same. Yeah. It's rough. It's rough being in the suburbs.

I can't remember the rest. A lot of different songs of 50 minutes. I like that you guys jumped around like that. Was Neda DJing? No, but I was trying to do it, you know, and driving at the same time. She's like, let me do it. That's dangerous. Yeah, it was not helpful, actually.

You're right. It's very unhelpful. Yeah. Cause an accident. All right. Number four, you guys, what is the first song that made a meaningful impact on you as a child? Wow. Roner Park, California.

Sudden death oak fungus is all around you. A meaningful impact? I mean, I've said this. and maybe every single interview I've ever done in my life is when I first heard Prince when I was nine years old. My worldview changed forever. So nothing had quite the impact that that had on me. The first song I remember seeing on MTV

was The Wild Wild Wild West by... Is my dad... Who? It's Scape Club. That's my dad. S.R.'s in the house? That's my dad who... Senior?

Mr. Enzalvo. The Wild Wild West. You remember that song? I was going to ask you to sing in Q bars, but you just went for. It was like a, it was like not, it was a sort of hit. It sounded a lot like pump it up by Elvis Costello. It was like a full pump it up rip. No, I don't remember.

But I remember seeing that video on it on MTV, probably 89. Yeah? Yeah, 89. So I was three. I like blocked this song out. It's, I don't, yeah, that's fair. My dad knows it. clearly what was the first print song you heard do you remember yeah it was

1999 yeah that was the first record I had heard that starts the album yeah I can't believe you would come here onto my podcast and tell me the same story you told punk news dot org I just can't believe I'll we were friends the the wild wild West that's a that's a that's a that's a that's Yossi branded right there what about you ross farrar uh the first thing that came to mind this This wasn't the first meaningful song, but I immediately shot to Pearl Jam, Jeremy. I really liked that one. I think it was because there was violence in the music video, the kids killing and stuff.

I had it really. Okay, that's a complete misinterpretation of the music video. You know that, right? The kid kills himself. All that blood is the splatter of his suicide. Okay. It's very commonly mistaken. Still violent.

I understand. But it was not like a school shooting that everyone thought it was, I guess. But, like, you know, sorry to get worked up. Yeah. Yeah. Pearl Jam's Jeremy. I wanted, I was obsessed with guns and knives and swords and everything else. Uh-huh.

And axes. There's, uh, I didn't do anything weird when I was a kid. I just love the weapons. You know what I'm saying? I don't know why. I don't like them anymore. I don't dig them at all. Did they send you to the guidance counselor a lot?

I mean, there's, there's other problems, but for sure. We don't have time for the half. Yeah. That's another podcast. actually. Okay. Brett Jeremy's spoken. That's a great.

It's a good one. I remember seeing it. I told the story too all the time. I remember seeing OJ going down the 405, zooming down. I was at the pizza parlor and Katati Flower Power Pizza. And Jeremy's on the stereo system. I'm watching. Most 90s.

It's just like a clip from a 90s flashback in a film. Flower Power Pizza had a huge yellow submarine beetles carved out wooden. panel in the back of the pizza parlor and the guys were hippies that owned it, it was cool. Yeah, we used to be a proper country. Can't buy that shit anymore. Anyway, we're not. We're improper. We're an improper.

Did I? No, that was. Oh, I did skip number two. You're so right. Oh, my God. Okay, you guys, you know why? Can I just be real with you guys? We're all friends here.

It is so bright this light. I can barely see the paper. I can't see anyone out there. But you know what? Let's go back. You're so right. It's important to know. Number two. What did you guys eat today?

I can't be skipping. That's an important question. I had a blueberry smoothie. Vegan? Of course. Yeah. What milk were we using as a base? I did almond milk and I cut it with some water. Are you cutting calories? I got a big show. I got an outfit on Saturday that I have to have to fit into.

That's a technique. Yeah, because you've only been up for like three hours. Yes, yeah. I have not been up very long. He's a late riser. Yeah, I had a smoothie, blueberries, bananas, little protein powder, little peanut butter, water, little almond milk. Lovely. Oat milk, cappuccino as well. No. Anthony, do you not listen to anything I say on this podcast or not? I listen to it. I just don't. Thank you. I accidentally went on the Reddit again, you guys the other day to self-harm. And they were really dragging my ass about the raw milk. We're like, much like, you know, I guess other podcasts do this, but she always talks about the same things.

And I'm like, okay, bitch, you try to have a fucking new conversation every single week. And I'm only one person. I have seven interests. What do you want me to do? Invent a new personality every week, like a psycho? You like us are all just doing our best. We're all doing our best. And yeah, oat milk is bad for you.

That's my platform that I'm going to run for president on and you should not drink it. Yeah. I'm happy to have this conversation off air. About. Okay. I mean, you did it to yourself. Don't drink, don't drink oat milk.

Don't drink. Highlycemic index. Very bad for you. Ross Barre, what did you eat today? All right, bear with me here. Don't judge me, please. I was like, I had an oat milk. A banana.

I had a little tiny bag of Doritos, the purple one. What's the purple one? Like extreme or something? It's like a spicy something or other. What is it? Sweet spicy thing. I had two, at my job, they have a lot of snacks. Okay, so hold on tight here.

I had two slim gym little tiny beef jerkeys. Oh, my God. I had a fruit snack. I had two pieces of pizza. Okay. I had a protein drink. I got your health. What else did I have for lunch?

Salad. I had one other thing. I had, oh, yeah, I had some leftovers in the fridge. I ate. It was like a piece of mahi mahi. I won't go further, but I think that's, it's getting there, you know, and two cups of coffee and green tea and some water. Our man is a teenage mutant nature turtle. This is deeply concerning.

I've been trying to cut back, though, for the gig, you know, but today I just went off. I couldn't help myself. I mean, I don't want to talk about it. I'm not even, you know what, Reddit, you win. I'm not even saying anything. Live and let live. Drink your fucking out milk. Okay.

So then now are we? Oh, number five. What is the first album you bought with your own money or shoplifted with your own two hands? I was lucky enough to grow up in a household with a lot of music. Hi, dad. Hi, dad. My dad worked in the radio business. So most everything I thought of or wanted to consume we had access to. and I was lucky enough to have a dad who knew, who knew a lot of people had a lot of labels. So if I wanted a CD, he would be able to.

So you're a Nepo baby is what you're telling us right now. I wish. Wow. I wish his radio, his radio influence impacted our career at all. That's how you got that punk news on the work feature. Yeah. But I do remember when Hello Nasty by the BC Boys came out. I had some allowance money and I was in San Francisco at the Virgin Megastore.

And I did not want to ask my dad to ask whatever label rep for it. And so I purchased that with my own allowance money. But that was not the first record. Right. But that's when I was you put your cold hard earned cash. Exactly. Yeah. Great. It's a good album. It's a good album. It's good album. It still goes. Yeah, for real. What about you, Ross? I bought a lot of tapes when I was a kid. I remember it was in the 90s. So it was one of those Pearl Jam.

Allison Chains, unfortunately, something like that. I didn't know you loved Pearl Jam so much. Is this like a secret influence on ceremony? There was a moment. There was a moment for sure. But I don't know any of their songs or any of the B-Sides.

I don't know. I'm really big on it. But I know hits. And then I got really into hip-hop. So I think I bought like Ghostface Kill tape. Oh, yeah. Iron Man. Sure.

Great. And then, you know, it goes on and on. About a lot of tapes. I might have one on it. No, that's Supreme Clientel. What song? One. That's my favorite goes to the song.

I can't say. Because singles were big for us, old. You don't remember 99 cents. Chris Cross. Jump Jump. I remember that one for sure. Germain DePree. Germain DePree for sure.

Chris Cross fucking slaps, good. And I'll bring it up again on the show. The coolest tuit I ever had, Bugs Bunny and Taz. dressed as crisscross, backwards clothes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a bootleg because my parents

only bought bootleg things five for, you know, for 10 dollars from downtown LA. Persian style. It was great. I wish I still had it. Do we still have that shirt? No. And it's on eBay for like $100.

I guess that's, I guess, the real one. Birthday gift ideas. Yeah, if you guys, if you redditors are looking as a way to apologize to me for the psychological trauma. Green Day, Duky, the blue tape. That's real big. Yeah, real.

And that's sort of your neighbors. Kept that going. I don't totally understand where Rona Park is still, but pretty close. It's Bay Area. Yeah. Yeah. Where are they from, like, El Dorado? What is the place they're called?

El Cerrito or Albany. No, it's, oh, producer Jesse's going to kill me. It has like a rodeo. Rodeo, is that a place? Never mind. Do you guys cut this out? East Bay. They already really come for me for not knowing geography of, like, England and

which one's Britain and which one's not, and they say I'm racist. And I'm like, babe, I'm just dumb. I don't know the geography of America either. It's not racism. It's stupidity. Come on. Come on now. 24.

Where are we now? We are on the good one. Number six. Did anyone in your child to never tell you, you're never going to make it or something like that, like they do in the movies? And if so, who wasn't? What did you say back?

I don't think so. I don't think. think I've ever gotten that before. Everyone was pretty confident in me making it. Wow. I'm kidding. But no, I don't think I was lucky enough to have a very supportive family and be surrounded by supportive people who supported my journey into playing and writing music. That sounds nice.

Yep. In terms of making it like, you know, show biz or whatever, that wasn't even anyone's purview, I don't think. But like don't, you're not going to make it alive. Sure. Like you're not going to make it out of it. You're fucked up basically. Yeah. You're a bad kid.

Okay. Like maybe they said something like that to me. Maybe because of the, the fixation on the guns and knives and stuff. You're not going to make it. Like it being life. Right. You're not going to survive. Make it out alive.

Yes. Yeah. You're going to go to jail. And look, you showed them. Yeah. You're doing a live podcast at Branded Studios. Exactly. 14 year anniversary of your seminal album.

The old silent movie theater. R.P. Look at us now. You're at Pucknews.org, babe. You think you didn't make it? Go back and tell them. I live, bitch. And you sing them the Pearl Jam song.

I'm sure. You're going to make it. Yeah. You're going to make it. Number seven, you guys. When was the last time you lied? You told a lie. You told a lie.

A fib. I know exactly when it was. Heather, your mobs. No, never. A friend of mine asked me if we were the surprise band to play Soundin Fury. And I told him no. The last time you lied was like seven months ago. I don't know when the last time I lied.

I'm not, yeah, we don't, lying is not good. But I lied to Colin. He asked if we were going to play Sound in Fury. You didn't trust him with the information? Do you think he's going to listen to this podcast? He had to. He probably listens. Yeah.

I call him. He's grilled me a lot about it. He was very disappointed in me. And I get it because lying to your friends is bad and wrong. But we were determined to keep the secret and we did. So sorry, Colin. I don't know how, but he asked, I can't believe he asked me point blank. We were just hanging out.

And he goes, are you guys? He had a surprise band at Santa Fe. He had a hunch. And I really pulled out all the stops to curb that hunch. Are you a good liar? He believed me. But I will say, I told him this. I'm like, I thought you knew for a fact that it was us.

So I thought him and I were playing it. I thought we were doing a dance. You did a little bit together. Like he knows I can't say yes, but he knows we are. Like wink, wink. So I thought I was doing a very bad job and I wasn't trying very hard because I thought he already knew. But I did lie to him and I feel really bad about it. It's crazy because also you just lied right now because there's no possible way you haven't lied one other time since seven months.

But that's fine. Truly. On edge. On edge. I have not lied. Wow. Sure. Everyone asks you, how are you every day and you tell them the full fucking God honest truth?

Okay, exactly. Is that lying? Yes. If I say I'm good? If you're not good, then you're not good. And I think that falls under the definition. No, I'll tell you if I'm not good. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. What about you, Ross? Let's get away from this liar. I think I probably lied today at my job to one of my coworkers. To hear one of your coworkers? Yeah. Like a lie to get out of something, a lie just for funsies, just to amuse yourself.

It was a direct question if I had worked on something to my highest capabilities. Oh. Yeah. So hard. I worked so hard. this. Right. And it was like, I could have worked harder. It's all I'm trying to say. Okay. Which we can do. Yeah? We can be. Sure. We can be better. We can always be better. Me and this podcast could be better for sure. I could be doing a better job on this podcast.

I skipped the whole question. Someone had to tell the audience and tell me, where's number two? The whole thing is it's a numbered question. Numbered questions podcast couldn't even get the fucking order right. I should be fired. Okay. Number eight. What character in a book or film do you relate to the most and why this one's hard i know i'm sorry well i'll i'll start i guess can i do it in the moment momentarily we watched dune uh last night so i think i relate the most right now to um timothy shellam yeah for sure okay i have a for sure he's got all this power but it's uh latent you know and it's waiting to come out like he has like more more promise it's you know it's i'm almost ready. I'm almost there.

Okay. Just a few more bags of Doritos, few more fruit snacks. There's something. We're ready to come out soon. I'm going to show it to everyone. Yeah. Any.

Chanty. Yeah. Wow. The vote of confidence on that one. There are a number of books and media that touch on this. And anytime I consume this, anything with this sentiment,

and it resonates with me a lot. whether it be Purple Rain or Coco or Glee. The Disney film? Anything that is centered around where it's, where it's objective is showcasing characters who are- Our attention. Our artists. Not, not.

No, that's right. Please go on. No. The sentiment of, being an artist in the world telling you that you should move on and do something else, but there's something in you that drives you forward, and it's not necessarily based in logic, but based in emotion, that always really gets me, especially in, you know, Purple Rain. This is a really deep and profound way to answer the question.

Are you being sarcastic? No. I like you're, it's like so heartfelt. Yeah, no. That's that really... But you just told me, like, two questions ago that no one ever told you would never make it. Oh, no, it's in turn. Oh, yeah, no, my... Everyone who I keep around me are, are supportive, but I, you know, it's hard to be a creative, you know? Be a creative for sure.

Can I add a little some sentiment to your sentiment? Please. Two sentiments. I hope it's about Coco. Anthony wants to rock for a living. He wants that to be. Anthony's Etriani. Very passionate about doing all this.

That's one thing I know about you. You don't want to go and be a square. You want to be on stage. You want to play your guitar. That's all there is to it. I'm definitely not above other work. But there is something that's deep. You might be unfit, though.

Yeah. These don't work on the Home Depot. The floor of Home Depot. Yeah. We're the two-by-four with Anthony. Well, that's very beautiful. You know, in my own way, I am also an artist. So I really...

Yeah. The world's just not meant for us. We're not meant for us. We're not like other girls, but we're not like these other people. Okay. Number nine, you guys, what was your biggest sliding doors moment? Have we seen the film sliding doors Gwyneth Paltrow in the 90s vehicle?

I have not seen the movie but I have listened to enough of your podcast to know the reference. Ross, do you know the judge? I don't know what this is. Okay, so in the film, what happens is Guineatholdro's character

misses a train or gets on it and the timeline splits and you see what would happen. Now, this question is a little bit more about a choice you made less about like an accident that happens. So like what's a single choice that you made in the past

that completely, altered the course of your destiny. That's right. Told me they're going to get more complex. Yeah, it starts with like, what did you eat today? And we just sort of ramp it up from there. Yeah. Well, I feel like there was a moment with the band, at least,

where, you know, we started. It was very low stakes. It was just a thing that we were doing with our friends to sort of, not just pass a time, it was something that we were passionate about, but it was never something we could envision doing for, a long period of time. And I feel like around RONR park, we asked ourselves that there's something

that we wanted to continue doing. And since then, it's been, you know, this is, we've been doing the band for 20 years next year. More than half my life. And most people who are in my orbit now and most of the, you know, profound experiences I've had have been under the umbrella of ceremony. So I feel like if we were just another

many of our other bands where we just ended after six months and went on found a new batch of friends to make music with my life, our lives would be extremely different. So I feel like the choice of taking

the band more seriously and exploring the band that way was probably that moment for me. What means you want to take this band more seriously than the other ones that you had like you said, I've banned it out for six months. Like, why this one?

The rubber band. The rubber band was my first band in high school. The rubber band. The rubber band. Yeah. Not Bootsie Collins and his rubber band, just the rubber band. I think it's cool, especially if it got humongous, you know, like, the rubber band. It would be amazing.

Rubber band. Are there demos? on here on somewhere. I can hear on the internet. It's so utilitarian, you know what I mean? There is, there are demos somewhere. There are demos somewhere. Dad probably has some one in a box.

I feel like we just had, we just had a chemistry that we probably, I didn't have with other, with other people, with how long Ross and I knew each other. I feel we made, um, really, we collaborated really well.

We continued to collaborate really well. So, um, it just seems, seemed like there was, and I hate to use this word, but it's an opportunity to make something greater than what we had done before. Makes sense. What about you, Ross?

I mean, saying yes to having a child. I think that was my big moment probably so far. Huge. I wasn't planning on having a baby and kind of came upon us. and I'm so very glad I did it. You know, it's a beautiful thing. It's all the clichés, you know, and like you'll never understand it until you do it.

It's beautiful. All that stuff, but like tenfold, you know. All right. Number 10. What characteristic are you most drawn to in other people? The easy surface answer is sense of humor. Sure. Most people are that.

But probably in integrity, honesty. Yeah, that's a good answer. Do you get a lot of long silence? when they get harder questions? Yeah. It's more complex. It's usually not in front of an audience, so it's a little more comfortable.

You feel free to be long and silent. That's a hard question. I think some of the people who I really love and respect and gravitate towards in my life are distinctive people. People who do things a little differently, talk a little differently, have ideas that are a little out of whack. Just because I think it's more exciting, right? Subversion.

Than the tab. Yeah. You just find it more stimulating. Yeah, a little more stimulating. Stimulated. Yeah, yeah. Yes. No, yeah.

I think that's like a, that's like a, I have a similar, I think that's like, you know, everyone has different priorities or whatever values in their life. And like, that's not everyone has that one, but I get it. Like sometimes you're just like, I just don't want to be bored. Boring friends are great too, though. We love them too. Sure. They come over, you, I don't know.

You go to their house. They got a fireplace. You just hang out there, you know. Oh, my God. Am I the boring friends? You have some tea or something. I don't know. I'm the boring friends.

That's cool. I have a fireplace. Do you? Yeah. Dang. You got a fireplace? That's right. Come on over.

Boring friend. Iron disposal. That's right. Number 11. Who is the last person that you met that you were starstruck by? How dare you with your phone, not on silent? I think that was my phone. I'm not going to lie.

I didn't meet this person. And I hope that you, Angelinos, feel me on this. I saw Chaz Dean in real life. Where? I saw him at DragCon. I would pass away. It was everything. It was everything.

So I saw Chaz D if you don't know who Chaz Dine is. Chaz Dine is a hairstylist who has billboards all over Los Angeles. He's a sile, babe. Nobody has ever once used one of those products. No. And I saw, he, I didn't like sprint up to him. I could. I didn't have it.

You could have been like, hey, I was starstruck. Nothing? I was starstruck. Wow. Is he tall? He's tall. Interesting. He's a big guy.

I was also slightly starstruck. I was walking into this party at a, at a pizzeria and Altadena at the same time as this other person. And I introduced myself and they said, oh, hi, my name is Dylan. And I said, are you producer Dylan? And she said, yes. And I said, I am starstruck. Biggest celebrity of all. Producer Dylan used to produce Yassi's podcasts.

She was, makes your rest in peace. She was very good at her job and funny and insightful. She was alive and thriving, simply not here with me. Ross. I'm trying to think, man. You're in Tinseltown.

You're Tinseltown adjacent. You're rubbing elbows here and there. I saw the woman from the Seattle Real World who got slapped once in San Francisco. Wait, Irene? Is that her name? Was that Irene? And I said something kind of mean.

I think I said I was younger. You know, I said something kind of mean about slapping. Wait, am I wrong, though? Was it? Irene was the cop. It was Irene. Yeah, yeah. God, my memory absolutely fucking Wonderland.

You guys, that was 100 years ago. How do I remember that? She was on Fillmore Street at one of those fancy boutiques, et cetera. And I said something to her. I don't know why I was there. I would have totally said something. These are the only kind of people that I get star-struck by, too. Like, like, actual, like, ill-as famous people.

It's like, who cares. Yeah, it's cool. But, like, people from, like, people from, like, shows that I watch on, like, like, like character-driven dramas on TNT, do you know what I'm talking about? Like leverage or whatever, suits, stuff like that. I lose my goddamn mind when I see these people in my life. Oh my God. If I ever saw Tony Shaloolew.

Burn notice is a fantastic show. In Miami. These are shows I know are popular. He's a spy that was burned. Yeah. Great job. I saw another real world character at a house party in Chico. Was it a punk? It was a girl who had this look.

kind of long curly red hair. People liked her a lot. What season? Was it Trichel? Yeah? From Las Vegas, right? It was weird, man, because we were smoking weed. We had smoked this bunch of weed on the car.

We pulled up to this party, Derek Deltori. And we go into this party first thing. And there's like 20 dudes surrounding this woman just like, blah, talking to her. And it was the girl from real world. We just dipped. It was too weird. When I lived in San Francisco, we moved in. landlord was like, oh, Pedro from the real world died in your apartment.

And I was like, okay. Pedro. I know. Amazing character. I should have laughed for us. Also, not just a character, a real, a real live person. And Pedro was amazing. But yeah, he died.

I shouldn't laugh, but something struck me as like crazy. No, because it's an insane thing to say to someone when they move in an apartment. Why would you tell me? Now, I think Pedro's ghost is going to haunt me in the lower hate. Don't even tell me about that. That was fun. I want to see something from the real world now. They keep making seasons, right?

There's like current contemporary real. I would never, couldn't tell you. All right. Number 12. When was the last time you slid into anyone's DMs? I know you were both happily married men, so I don't, doesn't have to be suckfully, simply. I've slid into DMs one time ever. Okay.

And it was after I saw. Chaz Dean. I saw who yesterday. I'm obsessed. with you. Where are you right now? I saw Orville Peck at the Moroccan Lounge. I guess it was four years ago now. His record had just come out and blew me away. I couldn't believe it. I just, I heard Dead of Night. I believe that's the song title. Went to the show with a friend and floored.

And I fired up the old ceremony Instagram. Sure, you went to the big... Yeah, I wanted... Yeah, I needed it to be verified. And I just wrote to him and said, I saw your show last night. It blew me away. It was your amazing.

Thank you. Did you write you back? And he wrote back and he... Good, because I would have slapped him. Yeah, they were very kind, recounted a ceremony show that they attended in Portland. It was a very pleasant exchange.

He was very kind back. That's the only time I've ever done it. My old roommate. This I know. Matching goofy tattoos. This I know. Ross's looking through his DMs. Is that cheating?

Is that? No, no. I think that's so authentic. Now, somebody in DMs, if they don't respond, you don't know them? Is that? Or responding? How does this work? I think it's just when you message someone who doesn't follow you.

Okay. Right? you guys? I don't know. Like an unsolicited unfollowed message. Of someone who probably doesn't know you. Yeah.

Or maybe, I don't know. Well, my wife and I do talk about this, of course, you know. You being the front band of a popular band. I don't know. That's one of my things. Oh, yeah.

So. Not even celebs. I'm not a celebrity. I'm not a celebrity guy. Not into celebs. Frischal. No. I,

before I knew Atiba Jeffers, I DMed him once. Shout out of Tiba. Jefferson. We love my TIPA on this here program. He does not listen, but we can give him a shout-out anyway. Tim Presley. We love Tim Presley. Have you ever heard the fucking white fence cover of Gin Blossoms Allison Road? No. One of the best covers of all times. Sounds great. Blow your socks off. I have heard Days of the White Owl by the nerve agents a thousand times. It's very good. It's good. It's his other band. Yeah. Very good. Interesting, I know.

It's a music pod. I don't know. Okay, you don't do that. You don't follow Kylie Jenner and you don't DM strangers. And that's totally fine. Kylie Jenner. I think that's probably healthy. Kylie Jenner is one of the Kardashians. Kim Kardashian's sister.

Correct. All right, cool. Gorgeous. Tinsel town. I think I follow some slabs, right? I'm not immune. I'm only a red blooded an American. But I think I would never do, which I've never understood, is comment on someone's, like, thing.

like as if my opinion needs to be known of a person I don't know. Yes. Offer an unsolicited opinion as if it were solicited. It's my favorite thing. I get it often.

You probably get it more than most. I get some great messages. Like, oh my God, love your podcast, just found it. Anyways, do you know that in this episode

you got the last name of like the third drummer of this band wrong? And I'd be like, I mean, babe, first of all, who fucking cares.

org is what I need to tell you. right now. Like, what do you want me to do about it? That was a year and a half ago. Yeah. Like, are you my factor? Do you think this is going to endear me to you? Like, I'm going to open this back up and be like, oh my God, thank you so much. Let me fix it. Let me re-record the podcast. Nobody caught this, but you're the most special personal life. Anyways, we've digressed. Suckie.

Okay, number 13. What is the horniest song ever in your personal opinion? There are many... Your dad just do a deep sigh. Someone did a deep sigh. Oh, no, he's okay. He's okay. Maybe lady cab driver by Prince, maybe head by Prince,

maybe Erotic City by Prince. Oh, you know what? It's not necessarily... It's not not horny in its sentiment, but the sonic element and the just the vibe of the song if I was your girlfriend

by Prince. It's not, again, it's not, he has far more... No, but there's the cadence. There's something... The cadence and the performance and, like,

the subtlety of it is like... It's very like the movie secretary. Yeah. You guys don't know what I'm talking about. You got it. That's it makes sense. That's Gatskill, yeah? Mary Gatskill?

Yeah. Well, so, look at this. Literary. She's the... She's the... She doesn't know who Kylie Jener. Greatest.

Mary Getskull. She's the greatest. She has on the greatest. Veronica, babe. Bye. One of the best books. You know, she had a short stint at Syracuse University and I spoke to somebody who worked there while she was working there.

Oh, are you? And she would wear these bombastic clothes and real high heels and stuff. And she would go and wander into other departments and going to the fridges and eat people's food and shit. I love that. She's an actual weirdo in real life. She's so weird. What's the other one?

Two girls fat and thin. That one's really good. Amazing. You know what? You know what? She's the best. She's the best. Anyways, Ross, what about you?

What do you think is the horniest song? Song? I don't know. I talked to Andy about this once. Maybe it's like some Bell and Sebastian songs. Interesting. Unexpected answer. It's incognito, like, kind of like, you know, it's kind of sensual.

It's more making love. There's a lot more sexy songs on those. But I like that idea that they're overtly sexual, but you can't really tell, you know, sometimes. It's like the velvet under the black, under the dime. the black velvet under the diamond kind of thing. That's where the real sex lies. You know what you are. Okay.

Yeah. Poet. And that's why I think if I was your girlfriend is my prince pick. Because those others are very overt and their sentiment. And that one, he kind of flips it on you. Yeah. So not genuine my pony. Pony by genuine?

No. A little bit overt. Have you read the TLC cover of? So good. Girl. Girl. That's a girl. Honestly, that may be the first crazy, sexy, cool, if I can go back to question three, four, or five.

Maybe was the first album I requested my dad to get so I could consume. Formative for you. Yeah. That cover is so good. So good. One of the best covers of all time. Amanda Claus, Stars of Track and Field. Maybe that's the sexy one.

I don't know. Just think about it. Think about it. I don't want to think about it. It's weird. It's weird. You asked. Okay.

That's true. That's my bad. I should change that question. Number 14. What is the biggest money you guys have ever turned down? I'm sure we're not shock you. There hasn't been a lot of big money offers. We got an offer recently to be featured in a Walmart commercial.

You said no? You said no. Because anti-capitalism? No. Anti-Big Bucks store. Yeah, that's not what we're doing. You love capital. Have you ever been in a Walmart?

Have I been in a Walmart? Yeah. I don't know why I can't picture you there. I don't know. You know what? I don't think I've been in a Walmart in my adult life, but there was a Walmart in Runner Park. Okay.

There is still. I would do a few times. Yeah, I just haven't. Yes, I have not been there. Okay. But they're hell of times. Yeah. Listen, they have great deals.

I'm sure they do. Is it built on the back of the exploitation of people? Sure is. It's a crappy place. Are the sweatpants a $1.98? How do they do that? I don't know. I don't want to think about it.

Not of my business. They're in the carpet. They're paying me for these socks? What? You know, I was so wrapped up in riffing that I didn't even process that Walmart was like, we need a ceremony song for an advert. What the fuck? I didn't know about that. And fuck this.

It was just said. Ross was like, I would have said yes. What was the ticket on that? I don't remember. It wasn't. Here's what it wasn't. It was like two cases of the small Doritos. It was, it would not have changed our lives. Right. It wasn't life changing. It wasn't like Jeff Rickley saying no to the million dollars to be in the American Express ad.

Thursday, my favorite. Which is so rad. Every podcast, Reddit. Fuck you. Make your own podcast then. Cool. Yeah, so rad. So rad.

It wouldn't be as rad if Hoopistank didn't take their place. But that just really fucking cherry on top of that story. It just wraps it in a beautiful bow. We said no, don't worry. Hoobestink, step right in. Took the million dollars. Yeah. So good.

Yeah. That fucking rules that they did that or that they didn't do that. Mad respect. I'm sure there's some slight regret. you know what, you live and you learn. You laugh, you love. Puba snake, not a perfect person. Number 15, what is the best live music concert that you've ever seen?

Probably. That what they call them, not live music concerts? Yeah. Gig. This is gig you've seen. Yes, yes. my favorite live music performance maybe Prince of the DNA lounge in San Francisco

in front of like 600 people, seven, 800 people. He came out with a song a few days prior called I Like It There and it was very new Only a few people there knew it. I did And I swear to God, I'm singing along to it And there's a part where it stops and he just says the lyric and he looks at me and points at me and we say the lyric to each other.

And it was, it was the best. I was looking enough to see him in a few intimate settings and it's unreal. He's, I mean, he's the best. He's the goat. Without a doubt. I saw him at the forum in the 21 night stand. And due to friend of friend being his DJ, we were on the exact front row. Of the end of the symbol.

Like literally I was standing next to Magic Johnson. And Prince put the microphone down in my face during, um, nothing compares to you. And what did I do? I panicked. I froze. Thank God because I can't sense.

That's what it came to him. Lightly toned up. So it was spared everyone. Okay, Ross, what about you? Best live music gig concert? I don't go to a lot of shows. I'm sure in your life as a, I've been to a few.

But I don't like really seek. them out too often, which is a regret I have in life. I wish I would have gone to more shows or go to more shows. No, but like there's, why they, can't they, why are they started at 11 p.m.? I have to stand up the whole time. Like, can't we just? Yeah. I got a bed at 9.

Me too. I got a better at 9. Here's my pet peeve. Okay, let me just say it. Fine. We talk about this a lot lately. It's just annoying. I know.

It's just old, dude. If you're 23 years old and you're in a band, God bless, go on at 1 a.m. Fucking go off. I won't be there, but go off. If you're above 40 and your band is playing at 11 p.m., get fucked. Your fan base is also your age. None of us wants to be up at late.

Go on at eight. Wrap that shit up by 9.30 and we will all be happy. Also do it somewhere seated. Thank you. With snacks. Everything to be the way I wanted to be. Sometimes you go to these shows and I'm like peeling my eyeballs up and trying to stay up for this band.

You see all the other old two and they're just like, like no one's having a good time. We're all so tired. Our circadian rhythms are. getting completely messed up. And we don't deserve this. Ross is with me. Ceremony shows should start at 5 p.m.

We don't go on. Super late. Yeah. We're not bar. We're not bar rocking. But I will add this. In Control's last show. In Oxnard was incredible.

In control. In control. Nardcore. The truth hurts. That was amazing. And then I saw milk music at a little coffee shot at San Rosa. Love milk music. Yeah.

And they were locked in. And it was good. I was wondering when you were going to say the milk music show in Santa Rosa, because you've talked about that show for years. A great one. Milk music is incredible. That's just a really good couple of years where it was all like merchandise, milk music. I feel like I saw you guys play that during that time in a lot to like South by.

It was just a really good time for, and I could stay awake longer. When we saw merchandise for the first time in Miami, they opened for us. Yeah, before they had a drummer. It was unreal. Drum is so good. That was cool. Just a bunch of old folks talking about the good old days. 1975.

2013. Okay, number 16. When in your life, and I'm sorry, well, this is going to be hilarious. When in your life were you the most fucked up wasted hammered trash? Anthony, please go first. I've never had a sip of alcohol or a take of any. sort of drug. A take?

Yeah. That's what we call them, right? Never had a toke. Yeah, never had a, no toot. No, no ingestion of any substance or drug ever in my life. You've been high on life, though. That's right. That's right.

Okay. Boring. Ross. I think I'm a better person to ask this question. Ross is like the years of, you know, Is this like, you know, you black out and you find yourself in a strange place? It's kind of up to you. Like, you can tell a dark version.

You can tell a funny version and a lamb shade on the head. It's like, you know, whatever you want. I took some C2B. 2C. 2C. Best drug ever. You don't mind me saying. In Berlin once after a gig and went around to some like some kind of underground nightclub,

speak easy, locals only thing with the promoter of the show. He said Berlin. Yeah, in Berlin. He took me there. And I get to this underground place and it's really starting to kick in. On the subway, it was like my cells were coming off on my hand. People's faces were coming off. For you guys listening, it's like a synthetic psychedelic.

It's awesome. But it's like trippy. Very intense. And then I get down there. I don't know what this was the drugs or what have you, but the bartender, he looked like he was in Sergeant Pepper, Lonely Harst Club band, right? With the whole thing, boom, boom.

It's 20 a year, I got on a day. And he looks to me straight in the eyes and goes, Welcome to Berlin, Ross. He said your name? Yeah, he was a part of the club too. So we went from club to this other club, secret underground club. Oh, so he knew you were coming. And then he gives me the drink and then, you know,

two CB things happen all night longs. I do think sometimes when you just necadalics, like weird. things just happen to you. They're real. They just happen. I feel like a long time ago I took a bunch of Chesaby in San Francisco. We had to get a hotel. And I somehow, I just like booked one on Hotels.com on my phone. We get there. And it's literally one of those like Alice in Wonderland-ass hotels where like all the furniture

just like, bro, like that's just how it was. And I was like, okay. And then I check into the room. The entire wallpaper is tiny handwriting. And I'm like, what the fuck? And I go read it. And it's Howl by Allen Ginsberg. And I was like, come on. Come on. Stop. A little on the nose.

You know what I mean? Yeah, it was crazy. It was crazy, you guys. Okay. Number 17 and 18, tandem questions. Wait, time out. You might have gotten food poisoning or something once and it was puking. Yeah, there you go.

No, I never had food poisoning. Okay, right on. You can get psychologically high without ingesting substances. Or have you ever had, like, espresso? A salad could really mess you up. Yeah. Salads never missed me up before. You saw Chaz Dean.

I saw, yeah, Chaz, yeah. I would think. Yeah, the most fuck that I ever was when I saw Chas Dean. Blacked out. We're just jealous because you're better than us. That's all, to be honest. Frankly speaking. Kids out there, don't do it.

It's not worth it. You might end up in one of those hotels that was a howl by Allen & Gitzberg on the fucking wall paper. You don't want that. It will happen. It will happen. Okay. Number 17 and 18 are tandem questions.

What do you love of? the most about being famous? What do you hate the most about being famous? And before you say we're not famous, we'll scale it to the right size of you're famous enough that you're on this podcast and people came here to see you talk and we'll go to your show and pay money. So on some level, you are famous. I think being able to have a positive and impactful impression on people is pretty special. Yeah, totally. And being able to get into concerts for,

more easily is... Get on the list. Yeah, like, that's the surface level. Let me get on the list. Let me get into the festival. But, no, seriously. Being able to impact and people's lives in a positive way.

That's really beautiful. Coco ass answer. Coco ass wool right there. Who's the most famous person you've had on this thing? Oh, that's a good question. Jason Isbell, maybe? Liz Fair. Gavin Rossdale, pretty famous.

Thank you. Gavin Rossdale. Oh, Keanu Reeves. Keanu Reeves. I do have a theory about this question. All the people who you give the post, the, uh, Yeah.

Of the disclaimer are not famous. And like when I listen to the Darius Rucker episode, there was no. Oh, yeah, Darius Rucker. Who do you have motherfucket? Bullfish on the show. I forgot. That's right.

We've had a lot of famous people on the show, real famous. Keanu Reeves. Yeah, and Dogstar, his band. All three of them. I don't want to talk about more Hollywood cliches and things, but I've heard he's a really, he's a really great guy. It was so nice. Yeah.

That's true. All around, though. Great episode. Huh? It was a great episode. You did a good job. Thank you. I think fame is.

a sliding scale obviously. And, you know, not to Andy Warhol or whatever, but like, you know, there's just levels. There's someone that's going to see you at a Starbucks one day and punish you because you're in ceremony and that means you're in some level famous. You're not Keanu Reeves level famous and that's okay. There's for everyone. Being recognized. Yeah, rock-ignized.

I'm baby. Even I get recognized. So I'm sure you guys get rockedignized. I think there's someone on your, on 24 questions that claimed. to... Oh, I've invented the word. Yes. God, who was it?

We don't need to throw them out of the bus, but... They didn't say they invented. They said their friend invented it. Right, which I don't know. I believed it. Okay. Okay. But my memory right now, do I remember Trichelle and Irene from the real world?

Correct. Do you remember this podcast that I myself did like three months ago? Absolutely, no, it's gone in one year or the other. So, Ross, what about you? What do you love the most about being famous for being in ceremony? What do you hate? What do I like them? most.

Sounds like someone's doing their hair over there, huh? Jastine. He heard, he's like Beetlejuice. We said his name enough times. He's like, hello. I'm here. I don't know what I like the most. But,

and what I don't like about being famous? Yeah. I don't know how to answer that question, actually. I think that in this digital age we're living in, the social media era, people feeling that they have a direct access to you is the part that makes me feel the most uncomfortable. Yeah, that makes sense.

I'm down. You like to talk to strangers? Yeah, this is a known thing. Yeah. I'll just take it all on. Like, I'll just take the punishment. No big deal. Yeah.

No big deal. Kind of you. Yeah. I read them all. I love attention. Don't get me wrong. I just sometimes won't write back. I've set boundaries before.

I can do it. I don't like to do it, but I'll do it. Yeah. I'm going to work on that. Oh, number 19, that's the wild card. I'm curious about the dynamic between you guys and the band, given that you're so different. Also, you loving attention so much

and him being the front man. And also just all... I'm just Italian. Just all the difference. Like, how have you guys stayed together in this band this long? with clearly being such different over time people. What's the question? How have you,

how have we, how have we stayed connected to each other? Yeah, that's basically. I feel like because we're so different, no two people could have made the exact things that we have made with each other. Right.

So creatively, that's not lost on us. but we have known each other so long and we've experienced most of our lives with each other. We're from the same place. We're from blocks from each other. We went to elementary school together. And, you know, I consider Ross to be family. So it transcends having anything in common or having a similar lifestyle.

or I can't envision a life where he's not a part of it because I haven't, you know. That's so beautiful. It really is. It's so nice. So I feel like our connection and our relationship is so greater than just like than having a similar lifestyle or day-to-day, you know, like interests. Yeah, along with that, I think. I think acceptance is a huge part of it. We're all different people in the band, of course, like it is in an everyday life out there.

And we have to accept the things about each other that we might disagree with because that's simply what you have to do. Yeah. Especially to survive, you know. Acceptance is a huge part of that, I think. And giving up your ego and, you know, the bond. bondage of self. It's really, really big, right? So if you can, because what it is, a band is just collaborating with people. And if you can't do that, then you're going to be hosed, right?

So acceptance and giving of self sometimes in your opinions and all your little bullshit you have going on. That's really, really important. I think there's probably so much to be said for like having to work harder to collaborate together to make something beautiful. Because I think sometimes people get so self-satisfied that they don't want any friction or anything difficult. And then you kind of lose something because something really great comes from friction.

Yeah, I mean, how many things have you written or how many things have you performed or I performed that we wouldn't have if it weren't for the other person giving a certain type of input that no one else would have given them? you know, and there is a lot of, there is a lot of friction there. And our influences are very different. Our tastes often can be very different. And I think that was a very, very good way of putting it.

Well, thank you. I'm good at my job. That was a wild card. That was it came right on top of my fucking head, you guys. Okay, we're in the home stretch now. Everyone's like, can you, this is longer than a fucking feature? What is this? Dune 3.

Number, I have never seen. Is Dune long? I have no idea. Number 20. When was the last time you cried? Oh my goodness. I could probably think of every time I've cried in the last few years, which I don't know if that means I've cried a lot or a little.

I think it means I've cried a little. It means that you're insane. If I could think of all of them. You're just like, okay, June 16th. Stop my toe. Brief tears. September 18th, watched Grey's Anatomy and very sad this episode. You're done.

He's done. I got teary-eyed emotional recently when I read Davey Havoc has a new substack and he wrote a poem about growing up in the Bay Area and in the 90s. And it is so, so good. And really hit me. But the last time I cried, I watched a news story about Palestine a cold months ago. It did it to me.

Yeah. David Havix, poetry, and the news story about Palestine. Okay. Got it. I cried today. That's right. Real mad.

During the same person at work that I lied to, I teared up. I didn't, it was tear in drop, but I got teary. Because you were lying? No, it was something, ulterior to that, but the whole

situation was emotional. You were a real complicated workplace. You know, emotionally fraught workplace. Oh, yeah, big time. Big time. Big time. Bro. It was not that big of a deal.

You know, and we cried. Did he cry? She? We cry. You both cried together. He didn't cry. Were there a customer? What kind of is an office environment? Essentially.

I'm like picturing like fluorescent lights like cubicles crying. Yeah, yeah. Stuff like that's. Wow. It happens. That those places make me cry just off top, just being there. Yeah. Thank you for saving that question and making it affable because I feel like we really,

I really brought it down for a second. You did. I appreciate you. I've cried of those things too, though. I've cried of those things too. Men myriad times this year, last year. Also, I've written down on a notebook all the times. Okay.

Number 21. What is your relationship with Dave Matthews band? Is this a new question? Yeah, it used to be what is your greatest regret, but the question is boring. So now it's what is your relationship with the Dave Matthews band? Better question on every level. I went to go see Dave Matthews Band, which is now Oracle Field, I think it's called in San Francisco, where the Giants play. It was Pack Bell Park.

my brother and I went to go see him in 2001. It's kind of unexpected, of your own volition. I have a brother who's a year and a half older than me, and he would take me. I would, I'd be his wing man. Okay. He was a Dave Matthews band fan, and I went with him. Shout out to him.

It was the only thing I remember about the show, the only things I remember, he did not play Crash. Sometimes he doesn't play it. It was so long. It was one of the longest concerts I've ever been to. And it was on the water. I don't know if you've ever been to that space. But it's on the water and it was so cold.

And I just wanted him to be done so bad. I was, I was, I wasn't the target age for, disrespectful. For a day Matthews band concert, live performance. Yeah. But he's a, he's a great singer and, and incredible. incredible guitarist. Correct.

Thank you for it. And anytime I've seen him speak, he's a man of integrity. He's pretty on the money. So it's the subjectively, it's not totally for me, but I throw no shade at David Matthews. Thank you. What about you, Ross? Two things come to mind. He's got one track that I think is really, really good.

It's called The Stone. Oh, my God. The Stone. So fucking good. It's kind of an epic. It's kind of an epic. It's long andering song. And then it has like a lighthearted chorus.

Yeah, it's a good. It's a good one. Maybe we'll listen to that. My wife probably won't like that, but maybe we could check that on the way home. Give it a go, babe. It's pretty good. And we saw somebody,

I was driving with somebody. Maybe. I saw it. A guy with four Dave Matthews band stickers on his car recently. I think I saw. that. Were we together? I think we were together. I think Anthony saw it. Oh, no. We were rehearsing in the bay and Andy was driving and we know there was a car in front of us that was daved out. I should have pulled him over and asked for his phone number. I thought it was you.

I thought it was you. Yossi? Who is the four stickers of the same band? I'm not putting the sticker on my car. And it was like a Prius or something. Not a sticker. It was like a Prius guy or something. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're legally obligated to have a Prius if you're going to put four. One of those Bay Area Stingers on it. You're not allowed to put

four Dave Matthews stickers on any other car besides a Prius. Maybe a Supero. Okay, great. Here we are.

Homestretch. Number 22, what song would you like to hear just before you die? Oh. I know I'm dying. Yeah.

I guess. I'm going to go with Scandalous by Prince. Okay. No surprise there that you chose Prince. Yeah. It's a,

there was a song that Heather and I had our first dance, too, at our wedding. And I would like to remember that moment as the last moment I remember. That's really sweet. Too much Prince, dude. Come on. Yeah. That's right. Ross is like, what is this?

The Prince podcast? Get over it, bitch. It's like he get it, dude. He's been dealing with this for longer than most. Many years. He's a lot. He's earned his annoyance. I heard I was in a story there today.

I was digging it a lot. Were they playing? Prince song? Yeah. A little red corvette. Sure. I haven't heard of it. Banks.

I think that was it. Yeah. The song before I die, I really like Biff Rose, fill your heart. It's fill your heart with love. But it's a song kind of out of key. And he's like old guy, old piano guy. You'd find him in one of the old piano bar somewhere. Oh, I like that.

Check it out. That's a cute. It's really good one. But it's kind of fun, light, hard. You know. Yeah. You want to go out on. We're having the funeral.

I want there to be a little bit of a little uplift. No, baby, you're not, this is not the funeral. This is just you before you die. Oh, so I hear before I met the funeral.

Yeah, before you leave this earth. Before you shuffle off. So before I'm out. Same song. Same song. Yeah. I'll take that one.

I'm like picturing take me out to the ball game. Because you know, you hear taps, right? That would be fucked up. Yeah. Yeah.

Nobody wants to hear that. So eerie. You're good at that. Yeah, you know how it goes. Seriously. You're being lowered into the grave, okay? You're awake. No, he's, he envisions that he's dying as he's being lowered.

Not one moment is his body being useless while above ground. When I was at Syracuse, there was a bar called Taps, and it was named after the song. Sure. Kind of dark, but, you know, in a good way, right? They had the, what is it? What do they play that with? A flute, trombone. No, what is it?

Trumpet? It's a trumpet, a little trumpet, right up there. And I would get, had some drinks. And I would talk to the owner. He was this Greek, this old Greek guy. I'd be like, you got it for last call, play taps. So when everyone's leaving the bar, you're playing the song, you're getting lower.

into the grave, right? You're dead. You're dying. You're fucked up. You're drunk, okay? And they're playing the thing. Go home to die. He stands up at the bar and he's an old, someone is playing the song and everyone

has to leave the bar. It's, there's not, it's, it's, it's cinematic. Yeah. But he was like, he'd be like, get our fuck out of here. I don't you talking about it. Because I would punish him about it. Like, you got to do it. It was a good idea.

I think it would be. I mean, I think it's breakthrough. Yeah. She'll open a bar just to do that. But it closes our bar, but it closed 8.45. He was a military guy. So he was like, you fucking liberal kid, get out of here. He had too much respect for the song.

Okay. Two more questions, you guys. We're almost out of here. We're going to play. I'm going to need you guys play taps on our way out. Number 23. What do you guys think about me? I know you through a cousin of mine.

So I've always felt very familial with you. You know what I mean? Like I feel like... Like I'm also your cousin somehow. Yeah, like I've had like a family-esque kind of comfort with you. So and as an Italian boy, family is quite important to us. I think you are hilarious. I think you're very good at your job.

I could go on and on and on. These people are tired, don't. Yeah, yeah. But no, I feel, I've always felt, given how we met, that, you know, I kind of skipped a few steps with you because I met you through family. Right. So you were, I've always had a feel like a family connection to you. I like how you're not even in a bunch of that you're also like a podcast mega stand. Well, that's part of it.

Sure. It's like I get to hear my friend. Yeah. You know, like that's part of, you know, the... Which I love for myself about that for you. Because the best is when you'll sometimes just send me a voice memo and it's just you laughing. And then I'm like, I don't know what you're listening. You often say something funny.

I don't know. But you never say what you're laughing. It's just you laughing. And then at the very end you'll be like, I'll give it to you. Cure episode. And I never stopped doing that. makes me so happy. I'm such low self-esteem. Okay, Robin about you, Ross. I think you're cool. Oh, thanks. Yeah. I just met you. Sure. And we had a pretty good rapport right away. We were nice. We smiled at each other.

There wasn't any weirdness. No. No shade or hate or nothing. No. You practiced your farce on me. Yeah, pronunciation could use some work, but I was very good. Peseram. Pesaram. Pesaram. Oh, yeah. my son. My boy. What else do I know? Kashish Kafkaadeh.

It's probably the pronunciation. It's so bad that I don't understand. Ashish Kafka Day. Netta, what is he saying? She's not going to talk. It's like bubbling piss. Like when you're behind the wheel of a car and you're like really pissed off and frustrated, the meaning is like the piss is boiling in your body or something.

Maybe I just don't know this term. It's possible. But they also tell me that I say it wrong and that it's a little twist. to her dad especially. Shoshish Kapgarter? Shoshish Kaftir. Yeah.

Yeah. Cap means foam and shoshes. I know. Duce et der Ram. I like you. That's nice. I know. You know a few other things.

Yeah. These people are tired. Thank you, Ross. That's nice. You seem very nice. You're great. You're great. You're great.

Last question, but I think you guys already talked about it. What do you want to plug? We are playing the Palladium on Saturday. This will have already happened when the podcast comes out. This will have already happened. And I believe it's a lot. sold out.

So you're not plugging anything really. Yeah, but thank you so much for being here. I can't believe we get we're, get to go somewhere and people will just go here us fucking ramble for an hour and a half. It's incredible. It doesn't make any

incredible. Thank you. It doesn't make any sense to us. Thank you so much for being here. We're so incredibly privileged and unfortunate to have people who care about what we do. sincerely thank you. Thanks guys for coming out. I have one more thing.

Yes, please. Well, we have these people captive. I'm releasing a book of photographs from the time of touring 2002 to 2008. Check it out, you guys. Check that out. Gassi, thank you so much. Thank you, it's awesome.

Thank you. Thanks for listening to 24-4-1. Thanks for listening to 24-question party people. And thanks to my guests, Ross Perard and Anthony Ansaldo. Ceremony's iconic album, Rohnert, has been available everywhere for 14 years now. They have beautiful material before and after that available for your listening pleasure as well.

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