Bandsplain - 24 Question Party People: Carrie Brownstein and Corin Tucker of Sleater-Kinney

Episode Date: January 16, 2024

Sleater-Kinney’s Carrie Brownstein and Corin Tucker drop by the show to chat about a variety of things, ranging from very on-brand to totally out of left field, including NPR heartthrob Kai Ryssdal, telling lies at the city dump, couples counseling, dining with Steven Spielberg, and the secret behind the band’s decades-long partnership. All this and more on this week’s episode of '24 Question Party People.' Host: Yasi SalekGuests: Carrie Brownstein and Corin TuckerProducer: Jesse Miller-GordonAssociate Producer: Chris SuttonAdditional Production Supervision: Justin SaylesTheme Song: Hether Fortune Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello and welcome to 24 question party people. I'm your host, Yossi Sonic. This is a show where I invite an interesting person on for a little talk. I ask the same 23 questions every time, more or less, plus one wildcard. The guest is allowed to skip one question. Sometimes the questions change a little. I don't think I have enough time or perspective on it to say anything worthy here. And I wasn't even going to do this today for this week.

But honestly, I know that I'll cry whenever I talk about. whether it's this week or next week or in a month or in three months. So here it is. As some of you know, the dog I adopted in early December got very sick and I was really wishing and hoping and praying for a different outcome. But it became really clear that she wasn't going to get better. And her life had become really joyless and unlivable. So even though I wasn't ready to let her, her go. I had to put her to sleep a few days ago. I thought we would have so much more time, you know? I had all these plans for us. We're going to go on hikes and road trips, and I was going to show her snow. I really wanted to show her snow. So, yeah, I don't understand this at all.

It's really hard for me to wrap my mind around. I do feel so lucky for every. I do feel so lucky for moment I got to spend with that beautiful, silly, goofy genius of a dog, even if it was so, so much shorter, then it should have been. I said this on Instagram, but it really is just insane how much you can love something, someone, a creature in such a short amount of time. And I think that that is maybe the closest thing we have to proof of God's existence. I'm trying to stay connected to that deep well of trust and faith and connection that I know that I have to the universe and to lose spirit, which I know is still around me. But right now, there's just this like really thick layer of pain and sadness and anger, unfairness on top of all of it.

And I don't know what to do with that. I couldn't even get out of my car today when I got home. from the gym because I didn't want to go inside because she wasn't going to be there. I don't know what to do with this stuff. I guess nothing, right? Like, you don't have to do anything with it. What do you do with it? I don't know.

Anyway, I won't go on much longer because I don't want to make this entire episode fully about my dead dog. But in a way, it does make sense to preface this interview with Slater Kinney. talking about grief, not only because I did cry several times during the interview with them, absolute professional, while my dog was still alive and very sick. Carrie and Corinne were incredibly nice to me about it, just so lovely. But also, because something we didn't talk about in the episode is how the Slater-Kinney album that is coming out was in like so many ways actually colored and textured by grief as well. because Carrie's mother and stepfather were tragically killed in a car accident while on vacation in Europe.

And as the story goes, the Italian embassy couldn't get a hold of her. So they contacted her emergency contact, which was Corin, to ask, you know, please urge Carrie to get in touch. And that subsequent news and the grief and the, you know, all of it really colored and altered the already in process recording of the, the 11th Slater Kinney album Little Rope. In small and large ways, I think, but maybe most noticeably in how Carrie asked Corin to take over the majority of singing duties when she didn't feel strong enough to sing. She basically was like, can you be my voice? That closeness, you know, that love in the face of incredible pain, to me, that's more proof

that something larger than ourselves exists. and if we let it, it'll bond and cement us together. Anyway, sorry for being a fucking downer. Here's my talk with Carrie Brownstein and Corinne Tucker of Slater Kinney. I hope you enjoy it. You guys, Slaterkenny has come on my show. Can you guys believe this? What a blessing.

What a New Year miracle. Hello, Corinne and Carrie. Welcome to 24 question party people. Hi. Thanks for having us. Yeah, thanks so much. I'm really excited. I must tell you I did listen to the new album because I'm a member of the journalism community. I did get an advanced listen.

And it is incredible. Thank you. So glad you like it. Yeah, thanks for saying that we're really proud of it. You guys should be transparent with my audience because, you know, you guys, I tell you stuff. I've already cried once in this interview because some of you listening, no, my dog is very sick. But then listening also to the album was very, really hit me in the feeling space in a way that I did more crying. Dress yourself? Goodbye. Untidy creature. Could you

love me if I was broken? Absolutely goodbye. I was just sobbing. Why did you guys do you guys? Why did you guys do that to me. That's rude. I mean, I think a lot of us need a good cry. I think it's been rough. Yeah. And this song, this album and these songs, they just sort of like showed up for us as a way to deal with things and put our feelings somewhere and be just exactly where we're at without like mitigating our feelings for anyone else, you know? It's not like we started out to write something super emotional.

It's just I just feel like that's sort of what happened when we started writing these songs, you know? Yeah, there was definitely a sense of urgency and the stakes felt very high. And I think you hear that throughout both the music and the lyrics on this record. I won't make you tell the story that I know has been told like 400 times already about the Italian embassy, and I'm really sorry to hear about your mother and your stepfather. But wow, it's a really emotionally powerful record. And I feel like even if I didn't know that, I would have felt that those emotional stakes in it. It's really just gripping how it hits you. Yeah. I mean, I think eventually the album will be separated.

from the providence, you know, the story of the making of it. And you have to hope that the songs have enough honesty and staying power that they will transcend the time in which they were written. So I think that that is often and always the task of a song. is to have a searing specificity, but also be speaking broadly enough that it can appeal across generations in the moment, but also years later and to meet people where they are at, but that might not be right now. And you sort of hope that it isn't always right now. Because if we're lucky we'll be around in 5, 10, 15 years and the music will still mean something to us then. Yeah. No, you guys always do an amazing job of like keeping the lyrics like opaque enough that

they're broadly applicable so people can like insert their own emotions into them. But also like you said, they have like enough just like nuanced detail that kind of sucks you in. So it's really great. Because I'm going to shift the tone of the interview because that's not my vibe. I just want to say, Carrie, a gorgeous detail that I learned about you from Wikipedia. You're one of the only other people I know who gave themselves shingles through anxiety as an adult, which I also did. A good, good vibe shift there. To something positive that we can remember in the past. Something very positive. And like, the listeners are like, oh, you went from one weird, dark topic to another less dark. But shingles are just funny for something.

Shingles are funny. They're also a little embarrassing. By the way, not a rarity anymore. Shingles are so prevalent amongst adults. It used to be sort of the province of the elderly. Old people, yeah. And then the rest of us just started to live in a constant state of stress and anxiety. And then shingles kind of proliferated, although there is a vaccine.

I got the vaccine. Corn has a vaccine. Corn was like, not you, bitch. Yeah, exactly. I'm not getting that. She literally said, not today, Satan. And then just, yeah. Yes, shingles, not fun, not fun.

Get that back. We're not promoting vaccines. No, this is, we don't have a dog in that. No. Yeah, not dying on that. But anyway, one to consider if you're open to science. At least you didn't get it at an influencer house at Coachella, because that's the most embarrassing.

Like, it really compounded the embarrassingness of getting shingles. Oh, that's how you got it. Gosh, you know, me personally. There's a social element to that, right? There's just, like, the idea is that you were doing something fun. That was the idea. Ended up. And listen, they love giving out gift bags and stuff there.

Like, why not just, you know, take that? I wasn't an, I wasn't an influencer. I was working. I certainly wasn't amongst the glitterati. I was simply getting shingles from my anxiety. So that was fun. Okay. I don't know if you guys know, but this show is called 24 question party people because we ask the same 24 questions every time.

Actually, the same 23 questions. There's one wild card. You guys are allowed to skip one if you want, if you feel like I don't want to answer that one. And also, if you both don't want to answer every question, that's fine too. You can tag team. I'm chill vibes. Let's go. Number one, what is your sign?

This one, you do both have to answer. I'm a Libra. I'm a Scorpio. Love it. Okay, you guys, I'm just going to, I'm just going to rattle off a few things. I want you guys to tell me if you relate. I don't know how deep into astrology you are. I mean, you are from the Pacific Northwest and that feels that's sort of just like ingrained in you and like when you're there. Like, okay, we're going to health food, astrology, all the things. Scorpio's fixed water signs ruled by Pluto, the planet that, governs destruction and transformation.

Secretive, ambitious, brave, loyal, passionate, intense, mysterious. Can be calculating, can desire control too much, but also can be a borderline psychic. Slow clapping for this very apt description of Corinne. Do you feel kind of witchy, Corrin? Scorpios can tend to be kind of witchy. They're deep waters. I think I sometimes am. I think I'm a pretty practical Scorpio, but I'm definitely intense, definitely loyal. Like, you can see it coming. Like, I have a long fuse, but when it goes off, it's kind of a big boom.

Danzo. Yeah. Love that. Libra's. I find Libra's very interesting. Cardinal sign, which are the beginnings of things, the beginnings of seasons. and an air sign, so very cerebral, intellectual, ruled by Venus, the planet of obviously love and beauty. Libros are very diplomatic, fair, just, charming, artistic, romantic, also indecisive, can be prone to gossip. This is my favorite quality about Libros. I'm like, bring all the Libras to me. All prone to gossip with you. Aesthetically oriented, love relationships and being in love.

Like, I feel like, like, I should have looked this up. I wonder if Elizabeth Taylor was a Libra. I feel like Libra is the one that's like, I'm going to get married 12 times because I just love it so much. And they tend to avoid conflict and can be prone to people pleasing. Okay. Well, I think some of that is true. Some of that, just so, you know, I don't necessarily like subscribe to all of the astrological stuff. I feel like it's just one way of examining phenomena.

Yeah. But the part of me that is willing to go down this path knows that I have a Virgo rising. And I think that that can sometimes kind of overshadow some of those classic Libra traits. That's true. I do think people are more they're rising than their sunsign, but most of the times people don't know they're rising.

So I don't ask it. I even know my moon sign too. What is Aquarius? So super intellectually driven. Also Aquarius is a very, Aquarius moon is a really cool placement because the moon is sort of like your secret self. And it's also Aquarius is like absolute weirdo hours. Like we'll do whatever they want. Do you not care what other people think like march to the beat of their own drum.

Like Aquarius is a really cool sign. And to have it in your moon is like an amazing placement. I appreciate you saying that. I didn't know that, but I just happened to know that I am. Corinne, do you know your... I don't, unfortunately, have that information as my mother was like, I don't know. I don't know what time you were born in. Yeah, it was in the 70s. It was the middle. She just says it was the middle of the night. It was nighttime. Nobody wrote that down. It was just suffering. And then... It's also a beneficial thing to know that you were born at night because it means you have a night chart so that like the planets that are night planets,

are better placed in your turn. I know a little too much about this because I'm mentally ill and lost, so I will easily fall into things like astrology to just help me get through life. So any questions you have. But it's a good creative partnership, I think, because it's two different elements, like the water and the air and then having the sort of like depth of the water and then the like movement of the air. It makes sense why you guys have made so many albums.

Well, at least someone can explain it. Thank you, finally. All right. Number two, you guys, it is 10.45 a.m. Pacific time. What have you eaten today? I had like a homemade mini blueberry muffin and a scrambled egg this morning. Who home made it yourself? Me with almond flour.

Yes, I know. It sounds pretty healthy. And it is. I feel like I need it. a good breakfast in order to get through my day. One of those people that are like, breakfast is the most important meal. It still is. I suddenly realized you were literally talking about today, not just like it's 1045 on a day. You don't mean today. Today I had, this is such, that makes the question easier. I appreciate that. Today I had a smoothie. I can tell you the ingredients. Yeah, what are we

working with? Are we going with some protein powder? No, I did flax seed today, almond milk. juice. Blueberry, banana, blackberry. I like to add a little peanut butter to thicken it up. Sure. That's it. I mean, really, it's not, it's not the healthiest smoothie. There's protein in there, though, and flax. And then I had coffee, which is not a meal, but I consider it crucial in the morning. I've been trying to wait an hour to an hour and a half after I wake up to have my coffee, and it's been challenging, but it does really change the game. I must tell you. Oh, what science is that based on? It's something about your cortisol levels. Like, so they even out don't, this is my worst quality is that I will research things, learn the end point of it. Makes sense because the science makes sense will not retain any of it to explain to other people.

I've started like saving infographics because I'll be like, oat milk is bad for you. And they'll be like, why? And I'll be like, I'm going to consult my infographics. It's the sugar. Yeah, glycemic index is, it goes crazy on oatmeal. Anyways, but yes, apparently if you wait for your cortisol levels to even out, I think, is what it is or something, they get to a different level. You avoid a crash later in the afternoon if you wait an hour, 90 minutes, two hours. Listener advisory, none of us are doctors.

I've watched all of Gray's Anatomy, though, like multiple times. So I'm not not a doctor. Do you know what I mean? I have some credentials. No, not not being something is basically the society we're living in. I'm a podcaster, which, as you know, we're all imbued with the, you know, agency and the authority to tell people what to do. Here something for me, sell me something. Exactly.

Absolutely. Okay. Number three, did you guys listen to music today? And if so, what was it? I have not. I have not listened to music at today. Wow. Both Corin and Carrie just sitting in absolute silence with their thoughts all morning.

I listened to NPR. So whatever interstitial music they've been playing. That's too on brand, Carrie. I can't deal with it. I'm sorry. If there was a little cane that could come and just eject me from this podcast right now, go ahead. She woke up, made my beautiful smoothie, put on a jazz record, listen to some NPR. I also listened to NPR. Oh, wow. Well, I had to drive a young person to their educational facility. So I feel like the penance that needs to happen is that there needs to be somebody talking like an adult while I'm doing it. So I just stay away. The young person was like put on Taylor Swift.

And you were like, no. Oh, she does. But I'm like, I'm driving. It's 8 a.m. And we're going to listen to the news. Like it's a little bit early if I'm the problem. It's me. Okay, great.

Love that. Do you guys get, is it, I think it's the most. money program, Kyris at all. I've done it. Marketplace. I've been a guest in the same room as Kyrisdahl. Oh my God. I'm obsessed with him. Can you tell me what does he smell like? In a respectful way, I would say he is quite a handsome man. I think my friend at the time was like, doesn't he have like four kids? And I was like, I can see that. Wow, Virile. Yeah. He's just, He's very gentlemanly and he'd never heard my music. He didn't know who it was.

I could tell it's one of those things. Why were you on the show? Why were you on the show? I don't know, because there was a fan in Marketplace, a huge Slater Cunning fan. This is like my first solo album, my first solo album tour. Huge Slater Cunning fan was like outside the door like, oh my God, I got you in the show. Like literally no one else on the show had ever heard of me. But somebody, the booker was like, love Slater Kenny.

So I got in there, Kyrisal looked at me and was like, right, girl, huh. And we proceeded to have like a very interesting conversation about the economics of being a musician and how that wasn't really going to work out anymore. And I was like, yep, I agree. I have a Kyra Sol story too. He was on Portlandia. Oh, my God, because of you. We invited him on the show. We asked him to be on the show an episode that required an NPR host.

public radio host and it was Kai and he, uh, he was great. He is nice. He is handsome. I don't know how many children he has. Subsequently, I actually was with Fred Armisen, who was my Portlandia co-star and we were having sushi in LA and Kai Risdahl came into the restaurant and I was still starstruck by him despite having had spent time with him in Portland. So he's a magical man. I didn't know what he looked like for like 10 years, to be honest. So it was just like a handsome voice. But I found I find it soothing. It's like Xanax. Like I used to like tape it and listen to it when I was stressed like that and I had CDs of fresh air. She also soothes me with her voice. Like there's one episode where she, Terry Gross where she interviewed Gene Wilder. It is absolutely better than Xanax. If you are having an anxious day, I recommend. Do you guys go look at it? I appreciate that tip. Thank you. Okay, cool. Do you like, do you prefer to go on an interview where the person is like, riot girl, interesting? I don't know anything about that or when they're like a diehard fan. I mean, I think it depends on the situation. Like someone like an intellectual, like Kyrisdahl was like immediately had like good follow up questions to that. You know, as long as the person has interesting questions, thoughtful questions.

comments of their own, I think it can be a good conversation. Usually it's better if they've listened to your music. As long as they're a handsome and virile man. That helps too. With gorgeous questions. What about you, Carrie? Which one do you prefer? Somewhere in the middle, I think.

Honestly. I mean, sure, now that this is a Kyrisdahl Stan podcast. Yeah, sorry, did you guys want to talk about your music? We're talking about Kyristall. No, that's what we do here. I actually like the random. the conversational aspect that's occurring right now. And I kind of appreciate, I guess what I'm saying by answering in the middle is that

I think someone that's coming in with a lot of preconceived ideas or has done like fastidious research about right girl, that can mean that our answers. It's not that they don't matter, but that they sort of have already formed an opinion of it. We're just kind of like slotting in like whatever fact, you know, facts or even just anecdotal things. And then someone who knows nothing, it feels like you're starting kind of at the beginning. So I like just having a conversation about it where we're open to exploring it, not don't already have the end result that we want in our minds.

I like that too. As a fan and I always appreciated any interview that showed me more of the personality of the artist because that's just what I was interested in. And so then I grew up and did that for a living. here we are, random questions. Don't give up kids. You can make your dreams come true. Maybe Kyrisal will have me on Marketplace. And then I can talk to him about I have an absolutely crippling shopping problem and can he help me with that? I'm on your show. Do you think you should invite him on? That's a good idea. I've not yet done non-musicians, but I'm thinking of branching out.

I have another show. He could be play. He could be a secret bass player. Like upright bass for sure. You know, like in one of those like portets. Yeah, for sure. It's giving that, absolutely. Okay. Number four, what is the first song that made a meaningful impact on you as a child? My dad was a hobby musician and he was always like playing guitar when I was like really little. We learned all the like Pete Seeger song. So I learned the lyrics to this land is your land when I was like two. Wow. patriotic but folksy yeah i mean that song is it's just it's really a protest song right it's really about like we actually all should have a say in this country yes you're correct not patriotic actually

more more rebellion yeah yeah what about you carry i would say mine is probably fleetwood mac don't stop thinking about tomorrow uh it is a song that I listened to a lot and I also listened to with other people. When I was a kid, my cousin came to visit and me and him and my sister would just listen to that song on repeat. So I kind of married a few things I love about music. One is just that kind of collective listening experience where you're sort of finding a way of interacting or being in a space with other people through art instead of just conversation. or activity. And it was very kind of a rare activity for the three of us because usually we were just playing around and hanging out. We were pretty young. So I just remember this kind of active

communal listening to a song that was very catchy. And we listened to it on repeat. So I think even though we listened to a lot of other songs in my house, that was kind of the first one I had this sort of interesting group experience with. And I just thought, oh, this is a great aspect that music brings to a situation. Did that, like, in your young mind, somehow plant the seed of, like, collectively making music with people? Not quite yet. I think a couple of years later, though, I did start to pretend to play keyboards.

Maybe it was actually around this time also to Flewitt Mac and just that Christine McVee way. But it came soon after that, but I don't know if it was that specific experience. But I did like the way that music could draw people in. I performed a lot as a kid just really holding my family hostage performances over and over again. And often it was music-based, yes. Corin, did you always know that you could sing? Like when you were two years old singing, my land is your land, you could feel like this feels good.

Yeah. I mean, I think that my dad was just like, go ahead, you know. And I was just a little ham, you know, just like, okay, you know, saying the whole. whole song and I just thought that was what people did like that was entertainment you know it was like 1974 that's showbiz that was showbiz baby yeah exactly I was like this is how people experience the world but yeah I was I was a total ham as a kid until puberty hit and then the anxiety and everything kicked in and I was like oh my god and I just I couldn't I didn't want to perform like ever again You didn't want to be perceived.

No, I didn't want to be judged. Teenagers are awful, as we know. And so I didn't really do anything until I got to Olympia. And then I was like, oh, this is like a whole other way of being in the world where it's punk rock. And so all of your flaws are actually assets in this situation, you know? So it just like opened the door in a different way. So cool. You know, this was really really.

crazy what you made me think of when you were talking there is that I literally remember the first exact time I felt uncomfortable in my body and I felt fat in front of other people at 12 years old. Like I remember everything about it. Like I remember where it was, the bikini. Like, isn't that insane? Yeah, it's horrible. It's horrible. It really is just like, it's so searing in your mind that it'll just stick there.

Yeah. I feel like we need to have like a preventative intervention for. people before we get to that stage. In elementary school, we should have like a teaching about you and your body that's like, you don't need to feel bad, you know? I think people try. It's so it's such a hard. Yeah. I hope now it's a little better. I don't think it's ever going to be completely fine because it's just kind of human nature, unfortunately. But like this was like the 90s. So it was like, oh, Kate Moss. I was like, interesting. Interesting. I don't look like that. Wait, did you say interesting or thin-testing? I didn't, but I really should have. There's that Aquarius moon firing on all cylinders. All right. Number five, what is the first album you bought with your own money or shoplifted with your own two hands? The first album I purchased, I believe, was Huey Lewis and the news. Sports. Now, I will reiterate this. Sports is a brilliant title.

for an album. I mean, just take a subject matter that already hundreds and millions of people love and you put name your album that and then have five or six number ones on there. Dang, you are, that's a multi-platinum selling album. And I was, I was there just lapping it up as a child. Not even a huge sports fan. I mean, athletic, but certainly not like rooting for a team. But anyway, yep, I purchased that. It's really just a bunch of guys from Jersey hanging out singing kind of like rock and roll slash barbershop quartet music. But I was a fan. Well, I want a new drug.

What really sucked you in there? I thought it was on four or the next album, but you might be right. No, it's number four. It's true. Okay. Well, then, yeah, that's an even bigger album than I thought. What led you to U.E. Lewis in the news? How old are we?

10 probably Well, what year did it come out? I can tell exactly how old it was. 83. I was nine. So I guess my memory is, that's decent that I wasn't like so far off. Yeah, I was nine.

Nine. Well, radio, MTV. I mean, that was steering us. I listened to pop music and there was an ubiquitous amount of pop music in 1983 and 84. Totally. You were like friendship with Fleetwood Mac and it.

my new boss friend is Hugh Louis. Wham, Dranderan, Madonna, Prince. It was an epic era for... It was a rich time. Yeah. What about you, Coren? I went and got Get Nervous by Pat Benatar, where she is in a straight jacket on the front cover.

And I was like, this woman is experiencing some of the social anxiety that I have just been introduced to. You're like, this image speaks to me. Yes, exactly. I feel like an outsider. No, I just loved her voice. And I loved her, like, you know, kind of like tough chick attitude.

I thought that was just super cool. That's a very cool first album. Also, I can see it sort of carrying with you. Yeah. I mean, what a great inspiration. for a vocalist. She is, like, incredible, you know? So cool.

Number six. Did anyone in your childhood ever tell you, you're never going to make it or something like that, like they do in the movies, and if so, who was it, and what did you say back? I don't have that exact phrase, but the sort of equivalent to that. And granted, it's an embarrassing story, but...

That's what we traffic in embarrassing stories here, please. Every Friday, I think in music class, in elementary school, we, at least for a time, our music teacher would have students bring in albums. We would kind of do like a listening party. I don't know why, but probably because I was a rabid performer. And again, pre-puberty had an overinflated confidence that was soon to be cut down to nothing. I brought in a completely anachronistic album for this era. The McCoy's Hang-on Sloopy. Oh, sure. Yeah, a real weird song. And decided to do a dance, not just to have people listen, but to dance. And anyway, the teacher, as I put the record on,

I heard the teacher say to this boy, try not to laugh. and it was pretty wounding, I have to say. So that was my version of, you're never going to make it. Is this music teacher still around? Have you considered, this is my favorite part of this, have you considered perhaps having some brochures printed? Maybe the front cover is Rolling Stones 250 greatest guitarists of all time. Carrie Brownstein.

And just mail it to her house. Like maybe like every couple of months. Just to remind her that actually bitch, I did make it. I will consider that. Thank you. Maybe you'd do a little cover of Hang on Sloopy, publicly dedicated to your music nature. That's also a good idea. Corin, do you have a story like this?

I definitely do have a story like this. I believe I was in the eighth grade. This is the 1980s. had a pair of overalls that I thought were super cool. Oh, yeah. Because it was the 80s. And I was in chorus. I sang in the chorus in school.

And I just remember the teacher was, we were trying to do a song. You know, trying to get everyone to like sing together. And I just remember, and it was, you know what it was? It was I had joined some sort of play that was going to be in the, at the Holt Center in Eugene. It was like a musical that I was like, I'm going to try. I think I can sing.

I'm going to try it for this musical. Again, pre-pre-real puberty, anxiety hitting. I remember him. He didn't even learn my name, but he was like, girl in the back, stop yelling. Girl in the overalls. Stop yelling. That's not singing.

I feel the same for you could apply her with the brochure. Probably like a framed thing, you know, greatest vocalists, rock vocalists. I saw you on a couple of those lists. Just to be like, girl in the back did okay, bitch. I just want you to know. Girl in the back. Curious.

Yeah. The overall's girl. Girl in the back would be a great riot girl band name. Yeah. Or from girl to the back to girl in the front. To girl in the front. That's the documentary I'm going to make about Corinne. I'll see you guys.

I just want to know. I don't know if you've done it yet, but I'm very good friends with blonde and she messaged me and she was like, I'm interviewing Slater, Kimmy. Oh, yeah, for interview. Interviewing for interview. Yeah. Oh, we're so excited. She's like, do you have any advice? And I was like, just be yourself.

And I don't know if it helped, but I think she's going to do a great job. So I'm rooting for her. Okay. Number, oh, seven. When was the last time you lost? lied. You're like 10 minutes ago in this interview. I make that joke every time, but you guys haven't heard it, so it's funny to you. But the listeners are like, oh, shut up. I think it probably was in the last week to get out of hanging out with someone. It's a common deception. I think it's born from politeness. Yeah, it's a mercy. It's a mercy lie. It's a mercy lie. I think what bothers

me about it is not the dishonesty, but just it speaks to my lack of self-awareness to know, like, I am not going to want to want to do this. Why am I being polite up front only to then be impolite by canceling or being dishonest? Like, that's, that's the cycle that I, that I don't like in myself. I should know by now. There's two things. I should know by now. One is friends are important, I need to see them. The other is know that sometimes I should just say no in advance and not try to be the people pleaser that apparently many Libras are.

Libras, yeah. Yeah, it all comes back to that. No, but this is very common, the amount of times that I've absolutely cursed my past self. I was like, this bitch was flying high. This bitch was optimistic about her energy levels. And she was like, absolutely, I would love to do that in a week. And then the day comes and I'm like, I don't do not want to do this at all. Why did she say yes?

Pass me. Pass me sucks. That's rough. Corrin? I think that I might have told a lie when I went to the dump this weekend and was. Well, this is such an out-of-the-box answer. I'm intrigued. Please.

Please go on. Yeah, I was asked about the items I was bringing in. I was maybe slightly less than truthful about. what they were and how they were, what the state they were in. You were dumping bodies and paint and like toxic chemicals. Batteries, light bulbs. No, it was just, it was like one of those things where it was like, oh, yeah, I, you know, I think this chair is fine when it really was not fine.

I'm sorry, but it's not goodwill, right? A dump, you don't have to have quality items for a dump, do you? That was my understanding of the dump. This is like the last ditch. Were you afraid you were going to get in trouble? Yes. Broken things? I feel like when you go into an environment like that where there's like trucks and there's regulations and there's forms.

It's the patriarchy. That's really a peak patriarchy. Trucks, men. I was like, I don't know what's happening here, but I'm going to just say what I think they're on here. I just feel like if you had said I was at goodwill and I was lying about the status or like status or. of an item, like the quality of an item. But at the dump, it's like, this is garbage. If it's not garbage, you're failing.

The chair should have been, I hope the chair was in terrible, you know, like, a terrible state. I don't know why it's so funny. It's me picturing you. Me too. This is funny for me too. Was it just you, too? To the intake people. It was just me.

It was just me. The car is full of garbage. It's so. What a weird thing. The whole thing about garbage in Portland is it's rough. It's rough. We get our garbage picked up twice a month. Excuse me?

And it's just, that's every other week. It's not enough. It sounds less severe when you just say the garbage gets picked up every other week. But it's twice a month and I have so much garbage. It's to encourage composting. Composting and recycling. Portlandia, yeah.

Yeah. Anyway, Corrin, I just love that you started off 2024 with a trip to the dump. And then then, and now you're feeling. But deceitful. And then you were deceitful. Deceitful. Lying that the chair was in worse condition, even though you were taking it to throw it out.

You might have a bit of a Libre placement as well. Kudos to you for not just putting it on the curb with a free sign. Totally. You know what? That is such a garbage move to do that. I hate when people clearly have a trip to goodwill or the dump that they're avoiding by putting garbage on their curb and couching it as a gift. It is really rude.

It is really rude. When I was in college, I got my first ever bikini wax. And I was really nervous. And I remember the lady, there was like crystals. And she was a bit of a hippie. But she was like, so do you have a boyfriend? And I did not have a boyfriend. But I absolutely fucking panicked and made up an elaborate lie about a boyfriend named Chris who lived in San Francisco.

And then I had to keep it up because I would go back every month and it was just be like, Valentine's Day, it was gorgeous. Here's what he did. And I finally just stopped going to her because I could not keep the ruse going about Chris in San Francisco. That's such a Kirby Enthusiasm episode. I love it. I can't watch Kirby Enthusiasm for that very reason. I'm like, okay, this is a documentary about myself.

And one time you guys, you were really reminding me. I was at the gym. in the locker room. And there was a woman sitting eating a potato on a Ziploc bag. I don't know. And I just happened to be looking at her because why wouldn't you look at the woman

eating the potato? She's naked. And she looked at me and she goes, oh yeah, it's a Japanese mountain potato. Do you want to try it? And again, I panicked. And I said, yes. I do.

And then I had to have a bite. of the naked gym woman's gym locker potato. That's on her for offering. That is... Why did you offer? I didn't... I wasn't like, that looks delicious. That's an aggressive share.

That's a really aggressive way of sharing. I've had like 10 years of therapy since then, so I'm hoping if I was put in the same situation, I would have the like self-possession to be like, no, thank you. I already ate. Okay, number eight. What character is?

in a book or film, do you guys relate to the most and why? Character they relate to most. I wonder what people are expecting, like, while they're like, Kathy Acker's protagonist in Blood and Guts in High School. I know you said book or film, but I usually do answer Larry David to questions like this because people call me Carrie David. The character. It is a character.

Or like an Albert Brooks character, you know, from like, lost in America. those kinds of befuddled, irascible, often male characters, really, to me, feel, I understand them deeply. Someone too much in their own head, like getting tripped up on their own logic or sort of trying to do good but failing, not. morally, but just sort of by not wanting to understand the rules for something and then realizing there aren't rules for this, just do this, you know, and just, yeah, kind of making things more difficult for themselves than they should be. Those kinds of characters, I think I do understand, like, and relate to just neurotic. It's weird. There's not a ton of female characters. In novels, sometimes there are, but less so in like movies and in TV shows.

Because they're unlikable. They are unlikable. And I think, yeah. So often it's like a female friend maybe that has that trait, but they're not going to be the sidekick. The protagonist. But there are a lot of male characters like that. And I do relate to them. Anyway.

Do you feel like you were like raised with like a like a. like a really strong value system placed on being right or having the right answer? Well, my father was a lawyer, so there is that sense of rectitude and, you know, that there's a sort of right and wrong and certainly a right way to do things. My dad was a little militaristic about certain things. And unfortunately, I have picked up on that and like, well, there's, if we're going on a road, trip. It's not things that are important, by the way. But, you know, there's a time to leave, a right way to pack, and, you know, that kind of stuff. I can be a little exacting and maybe

pedantic about certain things. But I'm able to make fun of my... I'm aware of it, and I will acknowledge it, but I, sometimes it's reflexive and I can't help it. Corrin's, like, flashing back to, like, packing the van and you being like, no, the bass drum goes here. I feel like, I feel like, It didn't come up in our 20s very much. She was so cool and like, she was just like, I'm just going to play guitar. That's because I was the baby of the band. Here's the thing. I'm so, so, you know, there's all these different dynamics that come into play and some of them override other dynamics.

You got to fork over the responsibility to. I was the, I'm the oldest of two siblings. I mean, I'm the older child, I guess. And then, but in the band, I've always been in sort of the classic iterations of Slater Kinney or just with even now just with Corinne and I, I am the youngest. I'm the baby. So I abdicate a lot of responsibility. I just, you know, Corinne is so pragmatic. Corrin's pragmatism sometimes absolutely overrides any ideas that I have about how to do something. I do speak up about things. I'll say I, you know, but, but Corinne is very organized. You know, Jessica Hopper,

tell me that you and I would get along because she thinks that we are similar. And I'm really hearing that in what years. I've done 10, almost 11. Oh my God. In June, I celebrate 11 years with my therapist. I should get her a gift. Literally undoing that there's a right way and a wrong way to do everything. And she's always like, we're not applying that paradigm here. And I'm like, yes, we are. There's a right. I'm doing therapy wrong today. And she's like, it's not possible to do therapy wrong. And I'm like, but I am, I'm doing it. It's possible for me to do it wrong. And I'm doing it right now. Yeah, it is hard to get out of that mindset. It's so binary. And it's very restrictive. And it's hard for other people. It's not only hard for yourself. It's hard for other people. Oh, yeah, because you apply it to them too. You're like, oh, you're doing it wrong also. There's a right and wrong way. And you're doing the wrong way. I need you to do it the right way.

No one wants to hear that. I don't think that with art and creativity, though. I try and I. I try and. try to circumvent that thinking. It feels very freeing when you're able to be like, actually, you know what? One step at a time? Going with God, flow, all that stuff. Mushrooms. That helps me. I'll just say no one, no one's ever called me chill.

Not once. You also have a very unchill big three in astrology. Like Libra Aquarius Virgo is not a chill astrological placements. Good to know. I love being able to blame it on something. Yeah, blame it on something, exactly. You were, you know, destined to be this way. Corinne. I was definitely called Lisa Simpson in high school by my friends. That's incredible. Now you have like the Pete Seeger in the background and the like, you know, just the way of like standing up and saying like, that's, that's unjust, that's unfair. I was that, I was that kid. I was that girl.

that's sort of like, I, this is the right thing. And yeah, it can be very, very annoying. I wasn't exactly a popular kid in high school. Let's put it that way. Do you still, do you still relate to that vibe of person? I do. I mean, when I look at just being in Portland and seeing what's happening with, you know, the way our city is like failing to like take care of people that. are homeless, that are experiencing huge crises. And, you know, it just, yeah, the Lisa Simpson comes out. And I was like, I would like to say, there's definitely a better way to be handling this. You should definitely have more money for homeless people.

You know, it's just like a vibe that comes up. Yeah, it's not bad. I don't, I try to mitigate that voice now that I'm a little older. Like when you go to the dump and you lie. Exactly. Yeah. I appreciate that you thought we might give an answer from Kathy Acker, but we chose Lisa Simpson and Larry D. I didn't actually think.

That would have been like, again, the NPR answer. I'm like, you guys can't be that on the nose. I like the Lisa Simpson and Larry David. It's very good. Okay. Number nine. What was your guys' biggest sliding doors moment? Sliding Doors is a Gwyneth Paltrow romantic.

comedy. Have you seen it? Yes. Yes. Thank God. All the men that come on here, I haven't seen that. And I'm like, you're failing at watching gorgeous cinema because it's one of the best movies of all time. But yes. So the question more being not like a chance situation, but if you had made another choice,

you wouldn't be here now. I definitely have that. So when I was applying for colleges, I got into a college called Lewis and Clark. It's in Portland. but I ended up because of financial reasons going to a state school up in Washington in Bellingham.

And it was at that school that I met Corinne. She came with her band Heavens to Betsy and played a show. And when she was there, I said, I think I'm going to drop out of this school and transfer to the Evergreen State College in Olympia, Washington. And I did. And we formed Slater Hini. and if I had gone to Lewis and Clark, I never would have met Corin or unlikely, and I probably would have stayed there and not transfer to Olympia.

That's a huge one. Perfect. I don't know if I have like an early one because I was so stubborn. Like there wasn't even, I didn't even apply to anywhere else than Evergreen. Like I was just like, I am, this is it. I am out. I am going to do this. When I was young, I was like really, really stubborn. I think, you know, I think that probably for me, the moment when I became a mom, that was like, for me, I was like, oh, I'm not doing music.

There's no way I can do music anymore. This is too hard. It's too, I felt like I had given up my identity. and there was just no way I was going to be able to do that. But, you know, Carrie, like, came to my house when my son was little and we wrote one beat, like, in my basement. So that was probably my moment where I was like, oh, I guess there's more than one way to sort of keep doing this. That's very sweet. Carrie was like, I bring the music to you, ma'am. I'm here. I brought an amp.

Let's go. that'll go in my documentary from girl in the back to girls to the front. Number 10, what characteristic are you most drawn to in other people? It's like, I want to say intelligence, but honestly, it's humor, which I think is, if I just call it wit, is actually a marriage of humor and intelligence. I'm definitely drawn to wittiness. I think it's so attractive. I think it's such an interesting way of being able to quickly, cohere information and to have an observation and make it trenchant and funny. And yeah, I just, I could follow a witty person around for my whole life and be happy. Do you consider yourself a witty person? Sometimes. That's not a very witty answer, but it's a true one. It's okay. Often, well,

I don't know, truth and wit do tend to go together. But, I do think wit and intelligence are obviously linked or humor and intelligence are linked, but I said this before on the show, humor and goodness are not linked, which I think is very interesting. Corin, what about you? I think humility is a really good one. I think it really tracks with wit is like people who are able to be funny, but in a way that can be make fun of themselves. like that to me is super important that they're not just funny but they're able to do it in a way that's that's humbling to themselves.

Yeah. If you're ugly when you're young like myself, it's really just what happens because you have to develop some sort of skill to get through life. That's whenever I meet funny people, I'm like knowing glance and like something something happened and you had to become this way. Because you know, like, people that were really gorgeous and well-adjusted, they tend to not be funny. Yeah, it's very surprising. And I think people are really skeptical, especially of like stand-up comics. And I think with the internet, there's kind of a crop of like sort of hot stand-ups. Hot standups. And I think they've been met with a lot of skepticism because of that.

Everyone knows that they were popular in high school. That's a strange place to start. Yeah. I mean, I guess you can have trauma in multiple different ways. I was popular in high school, but only because I was funny. There you go. It wasn't popular with the boys. Right.

That wasn't prom queen. Right. But people liked you because you were funny. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. But whatever, this is a... I've digressed.

I'll keep it on track. We have 25 questions to get through. Number 11. Who is the last person you met that you were star-struck by? I know you guys be in Tinseltown at parties, hop-knobbing. I would say J. Smith Cameron came to be in our video,

and that was a real moment of meeting someone that was like very much has star power. Like, I loved being able to watch Carrie direct her for that video. and they would have these discussions about what the character was doing. Why was she singing? Why was she moving around the room?

What was her motivation? What was happening? And then to use her whole body to do that during the song was so gratifying to watch. It was really amazing. It's a very cool. It's a very cool video.

For me, it was Stephen Spielberg. Just a small, just a small, lightly famous person. A lightly famous person who I was shockingly sat next to last year at an event in Los Angeles. I was just there as a guest of a person who was being honored. And we were sat next to Stevens Bilbrook, but he was right next to me. And I was like, what am I going to talk to this man about? I have... Was he like, Riot Girl? Interesting.

Yeah, we didn't get to record. We did talk about the literal, like, regal size AMC size theater he had built. Actually, it was a gift from his wife. I'm sure he paid for it, but it was her idea that they build this, this beautiful theater on their property in Malibu. Anyway, it's hard to have a conversation like that and just nod along as if it's like something we've all done. Yeah. When I installed my 500-seat capacity movie theater in my yard, oh, the neighbors were so annoyed. You know, it's like I finally have like a wall-mounted TV. But, you know, that just was like one guy and a and some tools. That's a really great one. I tend to find the like more famous broadly someone is, the less starstruck I am because they're like avatars almost at a certain point where I'm just like,

this is funny. But I get really starstruck when it's like someone that's on one of my programs. Do you know what I mean? Like that maybe other people. would not recognize in the wild. Like, I saw a woman from one of my stories at the coffee shop the other day, and I absolutely was paralyzed. Yeah, I hear you. For me, it is usually someone that's not an actor.

Like, often it's someone that's like, yeah, a writer, like a novelist. Sure. A journalist sometimes. But I think because... Kyrizzell. Yeah, Kyrizzell. But I think because Spielberg,

as someone I knew from my childhood, that's just a... Yeah. That starts to get a little surreal. Totally. Those are good ones. I'm satisfied. I like them both. Number 12. What was the last time you slid into someone's DMs? It does not obviously have to be sexually simply to say something. J. Smith Cameron, I absolutely slid into her DMs, and I noticed she was following me on my personal account, and I said, would you like to be in a music video?

And she said, perfect use of blue check. Yes. It was how the internet is supposed to work. It was very seamless. She wrote back yes And then we took it offline It was like An instructional how to video Of sliding into DMs Exquisite

That's what that's what it's for It's for Blue Checks to talk to other Blue Checks About creative projects And for Drake to get hose That's what the audience wants to hear They're like, oh god, how annoying No, they love it I think I literally have to ask Carrie

How that works when I'm like, wait What? How do we reach this person? and she has to like talk me through it. So you're not really sliding into DMs is what you're saying. I'm not really, no. But that's what we're going to work on in 2024. It's my goal sliding super hard. I'm going to be sliding super hard.

I'm getting some instructional help. And that's one of my goals. Life goals. I love this resolution. It's really good. No more lying to the man at the dump and more sliding into people's DMs. Yeah. Corrin's answers are so out of left field here that I just think they delight me every time.

It's really good. The dump one, it's staying with me. I laugh for quite a long time actually about that. Because I know that's the only time on this podcast that someone answered about going to the dump. 100%. Not to burst your guys as bubbles, but Slater Kinney, stars are just like us. Okay? They take their own trash to the dump. There's no assistant coming to haul the stuff to the dump. I personally have never been to a dump, but now I would like to. I'm a hoarder, so that's probably why. We get a little kickback from the dump lobby when we talk about them. Yeah. Sponsored by Portland Metro.

24. 24.4.1. Okay. Number 13. What is the horniest song in your opinion? Oh, it's let's pretend we're married by Prince for sure. It's crazy. And I was like, you know, its song probably came out when I was like, before I hit puberty.

And I was like, this is, I don't know what's happening here, but this sounds really crazy. I don't know what's happening here, but this man I was talking about, let's pretend we're married. And yeah, it was a lot. It blew my mind. Prince is always the right answer. I would not have answered this song because I had not listened to it for a long time. But as Korn knows, I hosted a little holiday gathering and I was making a playlist. And I brought, put the song, divinels.

I touched myself on it for one second and I was listening to it. And I actually was embarrassed. And I was imagining people stopping what they were doing in the party to have this moment of like abject, like shame and horror that we were sitting around listening to a song. about a woman touching herself. And that's all, first of all, no shame in that. She's just singing about getting off or whatever. But I, for some reason, was like, this is a very horny song. And it's sung in a really horny way.

And again, I would not have thought of that song in a while, but I was like, well, this is pretty horny. They played that song on the radio. Like, I was a child. Yes. And I'd be like, yes, the song rules. Yeah. She's sort of winding her way through it.

Like, I mean, she's, it's like an monopoeic vibe. You know, it's, she's there. It's intense. Take a listen if you are doubting me. Yeah, I wonder if young people know about that song. Yeah, listen with your parents. In the car. Yeah, Corin, you should put that on the, instead of NPR next ride to school.

And she's like, I want to listen to Taylor Swift. You're like, no, I see her, Taylor Swift. L.1.1.U. Divininals. You should do that. That would be, she would die. She would be so embarrassed. And then she'd be like, please, Mom, put NPR back.

Exactly. You'll never have to convince her to listen to NPR again. Okay. Number 14. What is the biggest money you ever turned down? Well, okay, I do have an answer to this one. I did actually, I mean, in my brief moment there when I did a solo album, we did get a McDonald's commercial offer in France. And I was like, no, thank you.

But French McDonald's is so good. Royal with cheese is so delicious. They have different standards there. Exactly. But I was like, you know, Lisa Simpson would say that's wrong. They are depleting the rainforest. Sure. Yeah.

So I guess that was my moment of like, this is not what I was meant to do here on this earth. It's not sell Big Macs. Principal, I appreciate it. Carrie? I had a decent offer to rewrite. I won't mention the movie, but like, you know how there's a lot of like reboots 2.0 vibes? Oh my God, was it legally blonde? No.

And we know, and we both know, we happen to know the writer for that. That movie is untouchable, so great. I know. So I'm saying if anyone's going to rewrite it, they have to be perfect. It wasn't, it was another iconic movie. And I just thought, and the paycheck was good. And I just can't get on board with those. It felt cheap.

The money was good, but the prospect of it felt cheap. It felt sort of like a degradation of film and art and just like letting things be. Letting things be flawed because they were made at a different time. Letting things have actors that no longer are around or look good, just be in it. You know, like I just. Sure. Yeah. parading them out, elder abuse.

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I turned that down. Those are great answers. The best answer on this show is untouched yet. It is my friend Jeffrey from the band Thursday, who was offered $1 million to be their band in an American Express print ad. And they said no, because it was selling out.

Wow. And then Huba Stank did it. Wow, what a journey. What a journey to go all the way to Huba Stank after that. They must have asked, you assume there were 20 to 30 to a thousand other bands in between. Like, either that or it's like some suit at American Express that literally doesn't know the fucking difference and just went, because they were on the same label and just went to that

label and was like this one. Oh, no? Okay, that one. Oh, it probably was the label that just offered up. They were like, we've got a band for you. Yeah. Exactly. Which as me, not principal at all, drowning in vet bills, absolutely will take anything anyone wants to offer me at this point. If anyone is listening, French McDonald's. Donald's number 15. What's the best live show you've ever seen? I'm sure you've seen many. So it's going to be a tough one. That is a tough one. I'm sorry. No, I mean, in a good way. In a good way, I feel lucky to have seen. You know, sometimes I do think that probably seeing Fugazi at the Capitol Theater in Olympia, Washington was probably one of the best shows I've ever seen.

Corne's looking at me like, no. No, I'm mad because my answer was going to be Fugazi too, and now I have to change it. I thought you were looking at me. That only strengthens the answer. Honestly, like, and this is what sucks is that at the time, I just took for granted. There were so many great live. I mean, live was all you really had. If, you know, there was such a huge, like, differentiation between mainstream and underground and indie and, you know, major that most bands were just living or dying by their live show.

And so seeing Fugazi, even though they were incredible and incendiary, I don't think I knew how actually off the charts they were. But even at the time, I mean, I will say, like, you know, their shows just floored you. And now looking back for sure, any Fugazi show was probably one of the best shows I've ever seen. like it was absolute like just total perfection and chaos at the same time. Yeah. So I'm going to say, I'm going to go ahead and say Fugazi too because it was the show was mech normal, beat happening, and Fugazi. God, stop it.

This is fair. So this is at the Wow Hall and Eugene. This was the night of my high school prom, my senior prom. And I was like, I'm definitely not doing that. that's not who I am. This is who I'm going to be. This is who I want to be. I'm so upset right now.

I'm so jealous. It was incredible. It was really life-changing. It's hard not to cite them as one of the best live bands of all time. Well, I'm not jealous, and I'm really happy for you guys, actually. Okay. That's fine. Number 16.

When in your life were you the most fucked up wasted, hammered trashed? The sensor is probably, yeah. It's already out there. But I did get drunk and lose my passport on tour in Paris on, like, the first Slyner-Kinney tour, which was, I got to say, that tour was pretty insane. Yeah, our first European tour. Yeah, first European tour. No, that means you did it right. I did it right.

I did it. I went large. I had to go to the French police station still drunk the next day and give a police report. I, well, wasted, wasted. Like lamb shit on the head, you know. Yeah. It's a tough one when I ask musicians, a lot of times they're like 12 years sober and they're like, oh, do you want the answer?

It's incredibly dark. Oh, no, no, no. Mine's not like that. I actually, I mean, I definitely have some embarrassing moments, but nothing as sort of epic as losing my passport. But, yeah, I remember being pretty young. at a rap party for something I had been in early, early days. This is... Rap of a show.

Yeah, rap of a... Yeah, a movie. Very small indie film. This is like early years, not... And anyway, I hit on at the rap party. Very drunk. It was a director. was a woman and her wife was the producer,

and I propositioned them as a couple. Oh my God, you were literally like, I saw you guys from across the room, and I was wondering. No, they were the ones I had worked on the film with. It was so embarrassing. What a terrible way to go out. Like, this is the best part of it, though.

The next day, they came over to my house to process with me as a couple. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Now you're ruining it for me because now I'm not attracted to either of you. We have to process about this. Like, I have dodged the biggest bullet in the world. Like they, I was like, you guys process yourself. You can be mad at me. You can be, but I don't want to be part of this.

That is the most Portland out shit. It was still Olympia. This was still Olympia. Even more, right? Olympia is like Portland times seven. It's the most lesbian thing. It's the most Pacific Northwest thing. Yeah.

I was like. Also for you, most Carrie David thing, because you're like, I absolutely never. want to think about this again, and now you're at my home, and we were supposed to, like, hold hands and talk through it. Like, there's, like, a feeling stick we have to pass around. Yeah. I was... It was so embarrassing. And it also just... But yes, again, so relieved. Because what if something had happened? We'd have to process that, too.

Oh, man, that is... That's really funny. Those are good... Those are really good stories. So far, my favorite answer to this has been Lou Barlow came on and told me the most Yossi core story. We went to the Viper room and said, hi to Johnny Depp, and then I did heroin for the first time. And then I played a little song for Evan Dando. And then I wrote a song about it. And here it is. And I was like, yeah, that's jaw dropping. That's a good one. I was like, like, I want this played at my funeral. Like, no song, just this story from the podcast, like on a loop. Okay. Number 17 and 18, tandem questions. What do you love the most about being famous and what do you hate the most about

being famous? Don't say you're not famous. That's what everyone wants to say when you ask that. I'm like, why do you think you're on this podcast, babe, out of the goodness. of my heart. Go ahead, Corinne, go ahead. I was lucky enough to go out to dinner this weekend, and I did get a free dessert from the server who was like, you really, your songs really helped me. I'm going to give you a free dessert. It was so sweet. Yeah. So you love the most as getting free things. Yeah. That was really nice. What do you hate? I think feeling like people think they know me or like, oh, I have an example. There was a review.

Okay, this is bad. You're not supposed to read good or bad reviews, but of course we do. There was a view of me in England, and it was like, Corin Tucker is, she's like very studious on stage. She's like very taciturn and kind of unfriendly.

I was like, unfriendly. I'm nervous. I'm on stage. And you can't really classify me as unfriendly because I'm not talking about. I'm like trying to sing. I don't like that. Yeah.

That's not cool. I think the best thing, I guess, is feeling like, especially in our kind of fracture in an atomized society right now, it's nice to have human interactions. And sometimes I feel like there's just an in that people feel like they have with me that I don't mind, actually, that they just will approach me in any given situation. And once we get the sort of niceties out of the way or the reason why they're coming up to me, which is something I'm super grateful for that they've connected to my work in some way, I just feel like I get to meet people and have human interactions and I value those more than I think I ever have. And I don't really mind it. I don't find it intrusive.

I think it kind of opens up my world and I'm naturally curious. And so I really do like that, just kind of getting to meet people. And we have an entry point to a conversation. I think what I dislike is, especially online, people's assumption that we might be impervious to comments or criticism or just literal insults or like unasked for feedback. Yeah, and after feedback, vitriol. It's just, to me, it's, there's just such a fundamental rudeness to it. And it seems so inhumane to me. I find that very shocking.

And it's not the way I would want to, I guess, conduct myself. And I don't appreciate it having that behavior be conducted upon me. And so it's, yeah, it's just kind of bad. And it makes me feel cynical, whereas my answer to the first part is, fills me with optimism. So it's a nice counterpoint to have, I guess. Two sides of the humanity coin. I mean, listen, that's absolute loser behavior. I've never once in my life gone to a person I don't know on their little page and been like,

this sucks. Why? Nobody asked. Your opinion is not needed in this world. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, convincing a whole generation of people that, that they have to go tell their opinion to everybody. Babe, you don't. Inside.

Number 19 is the wild card. How have you guys been friends for so long without murder, jail, like crazy soap opera falling out, Real Housewives of Portlandia? Like, this is a massive, and not only been friends, business and creative partners is crazy. I mean, we've definitely been on like a journey, you know, I think we've, we had some, like, pretty blowout fights on the Dig Me Out tour. And that was, it was really, like, painful, you know, like, not fun.

We did go to counseling. We've been to band counseling, like, more than once. Phil Towell? And it really... Do you know who Phil Toul? He's been some kind of monster or the Metallica. Documentary where they have the cover. Right.

Yes. No, this was literally, this was literally a. couples, a lesbian couples counseling stop it. I'm dead. In Olympia. I mean, we've both been to therapy on our own over the years. Very helpful.

But like, we reached out. We were like, okay, we need to get help on this because it's hard to do all this things. And I feel like we've gathered some better tools along the way. We've made mistakes. We've done some very unthoughtful things. But I think that we've kind of like

try to move past that and find our better selves along the way, find how we would like to be treated and treat the other person that way, you know, but it's a journey. It was not like we started out that way. We were both brats. I'm dead over you guys going to a lesbian couple's house. It's two, again, once again, it's just so perfect. I'm surprised that we also saw that guy Howard. Remember Howard? Oh, right. Really? Oh, I'm really. I love Tower. Is he a healer? Howard spent so much more time talking about his own sex life.

A shocking move for a therapist. Okay, true. Fair. Is that like a Freudian type therapy here? I don't want to blow his cover, but I also remember the name of his partner whose name was, who shared a name with an animal. Did you just say it out loud? Gray wolf.

Gray wolf? You were like shared a name with an animal, and I was like, oh, her name is, I'm trying to think of like a common. Gray Wolf. You guys, you have to stop with Portlandia. It is a documentary. It is not fiction. I mean, just trying to imagine how his sex life had any bearing on the dynamics in Slater, Kim. It's hard to make that stretch or analogy, right? The other thing is that we are friends, IRL. Like, we really spend time together. We do not have, it's more than that. We do not have an online mediated friendship. We do not text very much, except for sort of like perfunctory things.

We really communicate in person. And I know that's not the only way to maintain a friendship, but it's a rare way to maintain a friendship in this day and age. And I really value that. We just, yeah, we exist separate from our phones. We create together and spend time together. And all of my other close friends, unfortunately, they live in different cities and states. So I do have to maintain those friendships virtually. But with Corin, yeah, we just, we create worlds together and in person.

And I think that's really important to how we've maintained it. You could have gone to the dump with her. I know. That was probably a misstep on my point. part and I'll hear about it later. Number 20. When was the last time you guys cried? Corn's like at the dump.

What I felt very pressured by the man. I cried just the other day. Two people I love very much moved away and I was very sad. Yeah. It's not fun. And I'm not really used to that. I feel like that hasn't happened in a while. and I didn't want them to go.

I think I cry a lot when I'm like, I'm like weirdly, okay, this is so nerdy, but like, do you ever listen to StoryCorps from NPR? And it happens in the mornings. And for some reason, I get really emotional in the morning. And it will be like a story about like, my dad is my best friend and we recorded the story. and I'm like, I just, I can't. Scientifically engineered to make you cry. Story far. That's a brutal one.

It really is. It's the time it happens to. Yeah. I'll check that out. I know. I'm crying enough as is, so maybe I'll skip it, actually. Number 21. Sometimes this question is, what is your greatest regret?

But sometimes I change it up to be, what is your relationship with the Dave Matthews band? Well, if it's the latter one. It is the latter one. I don't have a huge relationship with the Dave Matthews band. But I saw a meme recently of Dave Matthews. He doesn't have one song that you need to be doing all that? Yeah, I got sent out like 600. It's as memes often are, very clever and also very funny.

And I thought, and also very true, there's just this sort of axiomatic quality to a great meme. And it's, if you haven't seen it, which you probably have, it's Dave Matthews doing crazy, goofy stage moves. joyful and bendy and and yeah and you're wondering what possible fucking song well they did him dirty because they put crash into me over it which is not obviously the song that he's playing when he's doing all that and to be fair most of us including myself no fucking three Dave Matthews songs and they probably have a catalog of 60 songs and there's probably 40 of them where he can do those moves there is I know all of them and there's many really fun so there's the meme is wrong. Corrin, do you have a relationship with the Dave Matthews' name? I feel like my relationship

is proxy through my partner's cousin, who is a huge Dave Matthews follower. Lance Bangs enters the chat. Yes. And his cousin, Sarah Banks, is a big Dave Matthews fan. Oh, like on the tour. Love that. Yeah, follows them around. It is, they have a name? Yes. Those fans? I don't know. I'm not like as deep as Sarah Bings, probably. But I do consider myself a pretty diehard Davehead is what I call it. I was quoted in a GQ interview about him being like kind of unnecessarily horny in print about him, which I'm not like totally proud of. But I just really love the music and the man. And he's my dream guest on this podcast.

So I just figure if I talk about him every episode, either I'll get a restraining order or he'll come on the show. Yeah. That's a fine line to walk. Yeah. Thank you. Number 22. What song would you like to hear just before you die?

Different from funeral song. because this is for you. I really love Love Goes On by the Go-Betweens. I think it's a beautiful song. Oh, yeah. I can listen to that. It's a good one.

In my final moments, it's a really good one. Hmm. I really like Atlantic City by Bruce Springsteen. Hell yeah. I mean, it's just, I like his voice. I feel like that would make me feel like I was in a good place. Yeah, Bruce.

Those are two solid. Solid, perfect answers. Number 23. What do you think about me? Well, right now, I feel a lot of empathy for you. And it's making my heart hurt. And I'm also trying to like send a lot of like positivity and hope towards you and towards your dog.

Yeah. Because I know how heartbreaking all that stuff is. And it's yeah, it's just going to be a journey. So I feel that in the moment. And more broadly, I think that you're smart and cool. and you seem like someone who would be fun to hang out with. Thank you. Same.

And also, I think you're very witty. And I've enjoyed talking to you. Thank you. Okay. Very last question. Number 24. What do you guys want to plug? Well, we'd like to plug our new album.

I think that would be the right thing to do. So strange, at the end of this, we were like, you got to check out in 1977s. Some people misunderstand the question and are like, oh, I really like this, like, documentary. And I'm like, no, why are you? Why are, their publicist is like, no, talk about the album. Yeah, we get a little, yeah, we get in trouble if we don't say, but we actually truly do want to promote and plug Little Rope, which is the album that is coming out January 19th. And so either has or will come out, depending when you've listened to this podcast.

And we are very proud of it, very excited about these 10 songs and really excited to take these. out on the road, we're also going on tour. So check out our website, Slatercanny.com, if you'd like to go to buy some tickets. No, it's really good, you guys. It has so many, like, it's so, like, how do I say? Just, like, interesting and textured and, like, goes from, like, sort of different sounds.

And there's, like, a pop, very pop song that I'm like, oh, yeah, we love Olivia Rodriguez in this house. And then there's, like, emotional songs. And there's, like, classic Slater Kinney vibes. Like, it's got something for everyone, if you will. Check it out. Thank you. I appreciate that.

It's really kind of you to say. Thank you for coming on the program. I'm sorry I cried multiple times. Slater Kinney, you're lovely people, and I appreciate you. And have a wonderful day. Thanks for listening to 24 question party people. And thanks to my guest Slater Kinney. Slater Kinney's new album Little Rope is available everywhere Friday, January 19th.

For upcoming tour dates, visit slater-kini.com. This episode was produced by Jesse Miller, Gordon and Chris Sutton with help from Justin Sales. Our gorgeous theme song was composed by Heather Fortune. Special thanks to Nick Soltor, Aloy, Sean Fennessee, Bob Harvilla, and my beautiful dog, Lou. I'll love you forever.

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