Bandsplain - 24 Question Party People: DIIV

Episode Date: April 9, 2024

DIIV stop by the show to talk about their excellent new album, 'Frog in Boiling Water.' We also discuss the thoughtful use of AI, educational rap songs, fate, artisanal coffee, Hipster Runoff, and the ethics of egg bites. All that and more on another episode of '24 Question Party People.' Host: Yasi SalekGuest: DIIVProducer: Jesse Miller-GordonAudio Producer: Chris SuttonAdditional Production Supervision: Justin SaylesTheme Song: Hether Fortune Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Have you ever wondered about the meaning behind your favorite song lyric or why certain melodies make your skin tingle? I'm Cole Kushner and these are the kinds of questions I try to answer on Dissect, a podcast that dives deep into one album per season examining the music, lyrics, and meaning of one song per episode. I've dissected full albums by Kendrick Lamar, Radiohead, Tyro the Creator, Beyonce, Kanye, and more. Our latest season just launched all about MF Doom's Mad Villany. Listen to Dissect wherever you get your podcast because great art deserves more than a swipe. 24 question party people. Four question party people.

Hello and welcome to 24 question party people. I am your host, Yossi Salak. This is a show where I invite an interesting person or people on for a little talk. I ask the same 23 questions every time, more or less, plus one wild card. The guest is allowed to skip one question. Sometimes questions change a little. Go with the flow of the earth, babe. surrender to the energy of change.

You guys, I don't even know what I just said. I'm all brain dead right now. Well, more brain dead than usual, which is my baseline of brain dead dumb bitch. So unfortunately, or honestly, fortunately, I will keep this one short again today. I'm recording this on the day of the solar eclipse. And I am praying that some astrological kick in the fucking ass is coming to get me, off my bullshit, ma'am. My particular brand of bullshit being,

aside from the never-ending perfectionism that I talked about last week, thank you, immigrant parents. The other part of my brand of bullshit is just like the desire to do too many fucking things, like she wants too much, babe, with really little to no regard from my actual capacity, energy, health,

will to live. etc, etc. Today I told my therapist that I think I want to write a book and the way she quietly gasped, but like in a fully horrified way, like her face contorted into like, oh no.

And she did get herself together again because she's a professional on some, okay, tell me more about that. But I clocked it. She was just like, oh, babe, no. In fairness, I had just, told her that I almost crashed my car driving home the other day because I was like falling asleep at the wheel from just like being burnt out doing too much. Wouldn't that be the most fucking

embarrassing way to die? Like, oh, how did Yossi die? Oh, oh, she was so exhausted from reading about alternative rock music every day and night that she had a fatal car accident. We will play temple of the dog at her funeral. We'll play clips from headbanger's wall as you enter down the funeral procession. No, so embarrassing, I can't do it. Because I use this little intro monologue space, you know, as a little journal,

a place to be kept accountable, as well as a little space to dance like no one's watching, even though at least some dive fans are probably watching if they haven't skipped ahead. Sorry, hey, back to the accountability part. I'm going to take Sunday off, you guys. Okay, I'm taking Sunday off. Off the Google Doc, off of guitar rock music, off of whatever other fuck shit administrative life bullshit I have to attend to.

To simply rot on the couch. I'm just going to rot. I have many more episodes of The Rookie, my new copaganda show that I am enjoying to catch up on. I haven't even started season 20 of Graze, you guys. heaven awaits. I might even call upon my good friends at Domino's. Who knows? The rot is my oyster.

Maybe I'll even do something like absolutely fucking humiliating, like go live on Instagram, like from within the confines of my snuggy. Just so you guys know it's real. And then four to five, maybe seven men can come on the IG Live to either issue me some, you know, real-time corrections on past bandsplained episodes or like petition for the hum episode

or whatever. I don't know. Whatever you seven people that join the live want to do, I'm here for it. Anyway, this week I talked to the hardest working men in shoe gaze. You guys die. Just kidding. That's not true. They're not the hardest working men in shoe gaze. I mean, maybe they are. I don't want to besmirge their work ethic. I was just really reaching for a tie-in to the intro and sometimes there isn't one. But Cole, Bailey, Colin, and Ben were a super fucking fun hang. They're smart, funny, interesting. They're weird. They're just honestly the best. Their new album is excellent. And you know what? Once again, as tired as I am, I have the best fucking job in the whole world. And I am grateful. I'm going hungry. Here is our

Talk. Please enjoy. You guys, I'm here with the world famous dive. What a treat. How are you guys doing? Good. Pretty good. Okay, gorgeous. Every day it feels amazing to be world famous. Right? I mean, in some circles, you're famous. No? Yeah, you know, fame is such a funny concept now. Yeah, we'll get into it. It's one of the 24 questions.

Okay, I'll save my thoughts then. let's just get into it I don't think we've ever actually done one of these with all four band members so it's going to be a real Mr. Toad's wild ride. I love the album by the way I fucking love it. Dare I say peak YossiCorps. Wow.

That's a big compliment. Did you guys set out to make a YossiCorps album? Be honest. Were you like oh we heard about this thing called YossiCorps and we need to make sure that we get on that playlist? That was the goal. We didn't think we would ever attain it. Yeah, that was the first thing we said. Somber the drums, bro? Come on.

Yossi Corpatch Dream. This is like, to me, I was like a little like, okay, what if Elliot Smith, but also Catherine Wheel? Nice. Whoa. This is the first shoutout that song has gotten. Well, I, you know, as a member of the media and elite press, I was able to have an advance listen of the album.

It's not out. I don't know. I think that's maybe why people haven't been talking about it. I don't know. What can I? Or maybe the rest of the people you do interviews with, don't listen to the album before they interview you. It's totally possible.

What is it about that song? It is interesting that you chose that one to talk about. I think it's kind of what I said. Like, I really like, I think the vocals are a little more distinctive than the rest of the album. Not the rest of the vocals are bad, but just like they kind of hit me different. And it's really 90s,

which, as you know, is my absolute dream and sweet spot. I like the like, forgive me as a, everyone knows who listens to this podcast. I don't know anything about music, but the like textual... It's a B-flat minor. Thank you. Oh, my God. The chord progression.

No, the textual bits of like extra sound on it are really cool. I don't know. It has a little cure vibe to me also. It just hits me. It hits me in the right place. We use this like kind of like a toy, like this instrument called the Chaos Pad. People know it from the radio head. Kid A, like, first song, the like, everything, shit, shoo, shoo.

It's this like little screen thing. Yeah, that's it. It's a great song. I didn't know you're such a fan. I don't know if you've heard my four and a half hour long podcast about radio ad, but fan or not, I'm really familiar with the music. Well, yeah, we played with that a lot to get those kind of like sounds and then tape loops and stuff.

And like, we didn't reference a lot of other bands when we were making this, but I do remember we pulled up last call off the first Elliot Smith record for the vocal delivery because the vocal delivery

in that song is so like raw and cool did I not call it did not my brain not call it yeah no it's the whole album is fucking good listen I'm not picking favorites

I just that one really jumped out at me it was produced by Chris Cody right who did the Beach House albums that's right yeah very cool

if you'll allow me I'm going to read this little bit about the title if you drop a frog in a pot of boiling water, it will of course frantically try to clamber out. But if you place it gently in a pot of tepid water and turn the heat on low, the frog will sink into a tranquil stupor, exactly like one of us in a hot bath. And before long, with a smile on its face, it will unresistingly allow itself to be boiled to death. We understand the metaphor to be one about a slow, sick, and overwhelmingly banal collapse of society under end-stage capitalism.

The brutal realities we've maybe come to accept as normal. that's the boiling water and we are the frogs. So it's like a super like lighthearted vibe that you guys were going for just like a fun party album. Listen, can I just want to ask you a question? I'm with you. Late stage capitalism, so bad. However, can I still go to Starbucks on the other side of what? No.

Please. I just want to keep the one thing. I love the egg bites. You can still drink caffeine, but the profits will be, you know, given to the workers and not the owner of Starbucks. What if I take over Starbucks and make it into a collective organization business, but it stays the same? Yeah, yeah, you can keep the logo and all that. Okay, amazing. Egg bites for all.

Egg bites for all. Egg bites for everybody. It is interesting to think about whether or not egg bites is, like, uniquely a product of capitalism. I mean, there are plenty of unique products of capitalism that we would miss, maybe. Yeah, I feel like it's obviously... complex ideas that we're talking about. And it's funny because the press polls and the statements that we have to make.

It is like a statement about the album that's like inherently a serious thing. But I think that's cool. Yeah. Nobody stands for anything anymore. You know, it's kind of rare. It's honestly true. Especially not in music.

That ship sailed 20 years ago. Yeah, I remember there was this viral shoe gaze post is there tend to be a lot recently, but there's one about, from Toby Vale, who was talking about, like, like, shoegaze is, like,

inherently apolitical, and it felt kind of like, I don't know, maybe we wanted to prove that wrong. The challenge. You thought, bitch, watch us. You didn't say that. I'm putting words in, Tiram.

That speaks to one of the kind of distinctions that there is about dive, We're not expressly a shoegaze band. We get, like, lumped in, and we are in certain regards, but we're also, like, fundamentally different, even just, like, thematically or lyrically, like, the feeling that you have or the experience of listening to a dive song

is, like, fundamentally different. And it partially speaks to that Toby Vale quote. You guys stand for something. Yeah, which I feel like I don't even necessarily, like, I don't even listen to all music for that, you know? Oh, for, yeah, me neither. Of course, no. I listen to the counting crows every day,

of course not. We get different things out of different kinds of music. Is that your number one? No. I'm a big Dave Matthews band fan. I probably listen to that more. You guys are like, we have to go. I actually more fascinated. I feel like he's having kind of some sort of like meme resurgence. I see like clips of him dancing on stages and stuff. Dave Matthews? Yeah, I feel like people are like newly like fascinated by him. I don't know why, but I feel like Bailey would be like undercover Dave Matthews.

Matthews band fan. Like, it's giving a bit. It's giving, like, me and you would go and, like, play with the hacky sack. I'm not going to right. I had a girlfriend at high school who had me learn a bunch of Dave Matthews son. I was going to call you out. You know, me and Bailey were friends when we were kids. We'd go to a party. I definitely was not bumping Dave, though. But there would be a guitar, and Bailey would play crashing to me. Yeah. Fuck yeah, Billy would. I was playing John May. How much pussy are you going to get? You play fucking crashing to me on the acoustic guitar at the party?

It's over. There's a popular girl at my school who told me exactly that. She was like, yo, learn these John Mayer and like dispatch songs. Dispatch. Dispatch. Yeah. Gorgeous. Literally, 12 years ago that you slept over at my house.

I believe it was about 12 years ago. Yeah, what you mean? I think that was the first day I met you when I don't remember who was friends with you. was it Jen? I think it was Black Chris. A Black Chris. Oh. Yeah.

Black Chris. That was your house? That was my house. Yeah. And I remember, I don't even, I don't know if you guys played a show that night. I don't think I went. I just remember like. Yeah, we played the observatory.

Oh, that's probably why because it was Orange County. And then I was just like at home. Then I was like, who are these guys in my living room? And we had a big sleepover. And you guys stayed for like two days. Sounds about right. Yeah. My memories of those days are kind of hazy.

Same bib. Like, I can't picture the house. house, but I don't remember you, and yeah, we have fun. There was like a pool or something. Yeah, I didn't have a pool, but it had, it had like decks. It was like, oh, then we're thinking of a different place then. I think I'm confusing it with Colby's grandmother's house because we hung out with you there, too. Oh my God.

I forgot about that until just now. Colby's grandmother had a house that had a hot tub, like on the beach in Orange County. Yeah, that's what I was thinking of two. Oh, yeah, we stayed at your house. I stayed on like a, you had like one of those like weird, like mid-century, couches that are small and uncomfortable with like it's made of like metal bars. I slept on it upstairs.

You had like balloons. Oh yeah. Why did we have balloons? I don't know. This is so long ago and also all of us were in a different mindset at the time. But what a beautiful thing that brought us together. Black, Chris, and the love of music. Yeah, totally. Happy to know you guys. Let's do this party. Let's do this 24 question party

people. Do you guys get the reference? Yeah. We've seen the doc. You never seen a 24-hour party people, Bailey. No, I never heard of it. Oh my god, Bailey. It's one of the, honestly, it's one of the best movies of all time. It's, it's a biopic, but it's... What's it about? It's about factory records, like, um, and like the whole scene around it, but it's like, it's Steve Coogan and it's told, it's like the only good music biopic in my opinion, because it's funny and self-aware and like not like trying to be super serious. It's so good. Damn, I've literally

never heard of this movie. Really? I love Steve Coogan too. I don't know how... Do you like Joy Division? You'll love it. It's so good. good. I feel like I should have seen this movie. Yeah. Get with it, Ben. I've never even seen the cover or anything. All right, cool. Now I get the reference. All right. Question number one, you guys, each individual person, what is your sign? I actually know Coles. Coles of Scorpio. What about the rest of you?

The answer. All right, Ben. I'm a Leo. I'm in Aries. Wow, you guys, is that every... No, me and Bailey are both water. You don't have Earth. No grounding. No grounding.

Sounds about right? You can really tell. Floating off in the air. Yeah, I always forget Scorpio and my mind is for some reason in Earth time, but it's not. I'm not going to get into astrology with you guys. There's too many of you. And I don't know if you guys actually care. Maybe Bailey.

Wow. Your read of Bailey is so funny. Bailey to you is like an astrology, Dave Matthews Finn. Yeah, I know. I want to meet this version of myself, but you know. I'm just projecting and allow me to have this version of Bailey for myself. He's a riddle wrapped in an enigma wrapped into mystery. and the bestly I can project.

Repped in a cookie monster hoodie. Baby, no capitalism, no cookie monster hoodie. That's true. That's PBS, bro. Are you crazy? Yeah, that's obvious. Is PBS making them? Actually, I would have to look into this.

Publicly owned it. Who owns the rights. Cookie Monster is of the people for the people. Exactly. Okay, number two, members of dive. It's noon on Pacific Standard Time. What have you guys eaten today? Ben, you go first. Nothing. And I'm starving right now. Are you intermittent fasting? No, I just, I'm not a breakfast person. So I've had two cups of coffee and no solid food.

It's not good for your cortisol levels. Okay, Andrew, Bailey. I made some tortellinis earlier, but I haven't had time to eat them yet during my backpack. I had like five or six of them. Okay, so my reed's not like so off. Like, Bailey's like, I just made some like homemade, first of all, like from scratch. Or are we talking like one of those bags you get at the fridge? No, yeah. Like, yeah, one of those. Not the freezer ones, but, but yeah, they cook for like four minutes and then they're good to go. So raw dog, no sauce?

No sauce. It's in a Tupperware in my backpack. A little Tupperware in the backpack. Is it Tupperware plastic? Yeah, it's a, it used to hold deli meat. Oh, it's not even like a Tupperware. It's like a repurposed. Yeah, exactly.

Gorgeous. A lot of microplastics in that. Yeah, yeah. We can talk about that different day. People don't like it when I schooled the guests. about their nutritional choices. I accidentally went on the Reddit recently, and they were saying that I was a real bitch about that.

And I was like, well, okay. Really, it's not legally mandated that you listen to those pockets. All right, Cole, what have you eaten today? I'm sorry, nothing also. Skinny legend. All right, Colin, what about you? I've had, normally I would have eaten a lot more, but I like woke up late and went right into stuff,

but I've had a protein bar and an oral steroid because I had bronchitis. Here's the thing. I asked you what you ate, so I think that the like qualifier of oral on the steroid was just sort of implied. Like I don't think an anal steroid wouldn't be counting as things that you... You consume it, you know? In one way or the other. It goes in. Right.

Are drugs eating? I'm not sure. I had two Advil. Yeah. Some of you guys don't know. that Cole is an incredible barista. I don't know if it's called being a barista if it's at your own home. Do you think it's still called being a barista?

Cole's Cafe. Yeah. Coles Cafe. Absolutely incredible work that you do in your house. Glad to finally be recognized. Yeah, I've been roasting my own coffee beans for a couple of years and making espressos. I mean, you live down the street for me, right? Just come over and drink coffee.

Yeah, I would love to. You made a really good macho latte that I really enjoyed. I have recently gotten into my macho journey with coffee. I'm kind of a basic bitch, as you heard me, talk about Starbucks and also at home, I just used the Mr. Coffee. I don't know if you're familiar. I know him, yeah.

And a little cafe Bastello from the jar, toss that in there, does me right. Can we scold you for your consumption? Yes, is it about my coffee? I know, it's really, it's not free trade. It's probably has full of poison in it. I think about that all the time that I should, like, upgrade to some sort of like,

I'm so healthy in every other regard, but then I'm like, can I have the most writing sold coffee on the planet. What should I get? I'm not going to roast my own coffee beans. I'll be real with you. You should get like Canyon or something. Or come to my house, I'll roast you beans.

That's like a cool idea, actually. Just get all your coffee from Cole from Dive. Okay. Cole, I'll barter something with you. I don't make or do anything, but I'll make you a little... My trade is my words. I will make you a voice memo.

Live 15-minute podcast. Personal podcast. Yeah. Okay, number three, you guys. Have you listened to music today? And if so, what was it? Colin, you go first this time. Today I woke up and within 90 seconds I was teaching a base lesson because I overslept. I got an Apple watch for my birthday and the... Capitalism. The alarm just didn't work. So I woke up and instantly went into teaching, which was like a really honestly kind of fucked up like borderline psychedelic experience. You need some time to adjust to the waking world. Are you a night owl? Do you stay up late? Is that why you woke up late?

It was Colin's birthday yesterday. Oh my God, happy birthday, Colin. Thank you very much. Aries, topically Aries. That's right. Yeah, I was in L.A. I went, got dinner at Rafi's place in Glendale. That's my people, then. Wait, are you Persian too? I'm Lebanese.

Oh, right. Close enough. Cousins. Yeah, similar. That place is so good. Colin, you look so much more Middle Eastern than I do. You have it, though. I can see it. You guys kind of look similar. Like related? A little bit, cousins.

Cousins. No, so I haven't listened to music, but I taught a lesson, which for me is actually a really like, it's also a very rewarding musical experience. So I feel like I did something. You did something. All right. What about you, Ben? Have you listened to music? I usually try to put on a record when I'm like getting ready in the morning.

A vinyl record. Yes. a disc. You spend the black circle the moment you wake up. My record player's in the shop getting repaired. So I listened to a tape of dandelion gum by Black Moth Super Rainbow.

Ooh, nice. Okay. Underrated. It's real showing your deep and interesting taste and I appreciate it. That's what this is for, right? It's for me to show off. Of course. I love when men

do the thing that they're supposed to biologically, which is listen to vinyl records on a record player in their home. I'm serious. I always say this because I don't know if you guys know, but I'm a mid-level famous music podcaster.

And so I get sent boxes of vinyl records, which I so appreciate because I love them. I do not own a record player. And I just always say that I just wait for my next boyfriend because they will 100% come equipped with one with like really nice speakers and the whole thing. So what am I going to do? Like go buy one?

I don't need to do that. I'm challenging gender norms because my girlfriend has a record player. I don't have one. Hell yeah. Think about that. Okay, Bailey, what music did you listen today? Creshing to me on repeat. I didn't listen to any music today.

I listened to a podcast. What podcast was it? Not this one, clearly. No, it was a conspiracy theory podcast about Princess Diana and stuff. Oh, topically relevant given the Kate Middleton stuff. Yeah, exactly. I think I was talking about she. girlfriend's into that whole situation.

And I was trying to tell her, like, you know that the royal family is just a bunch of arms dealers, right? But then I, I like, forgot the details of the Diana thing. And so I was just giving myself a little free refresher. You know, it's astrologically predicted all this stuff that's happening that's, like, huge reveals of, like, downfalls of people, like, Huberman and what's probably going to happen soon with the Cape Middleton stuff. and I think it happened with Jay Shetty.

It's like all like supposed to be happening right now. I find out very interesting. Something about, don't ask me. That's good news. Don't ask me the details. What about diddy? Oh yeah, and Diddy. That's the one I forgot about.

Yeah. It's all, I mean, it's all happening. I don't care about the royal family at all because I'm a normal person. But with the Kate Middleton stuff, I did start to care because it's so fucking bananas. Like I can't. And the internet memes are so good. Anything that has good memes, like I'm on board. I'll learn about it.

So I really can't wait to see what happens next. It was pretty irresistible. Ben, wasn't it Katrina? Was like, I don't give a fuck about that. And then, like, half a day, she was, like, hooked because... Well, she didn't know any of the conspiracy theories. All of that stuff fell away now because she does have... No, then somebody came out and was, like, this video of her saying she has cancer is AI.

A lot of people said that. I was, like, showing why his, like, eyeballs or not, and the wind's not moving or something. I mean, again, I'm not a woman in STEM, so I can't corroborate that. But I was like, oh, it's getting spicy. My favorite comment on the Solnet video that we put out where there's like AI versions of us like singing the parts of the song. My favorite comment was just the shadows do not move.

And it was their way of saying like it's AI because you could see the shadows behind us don't animate at all. And there's probably something like that with the Kate Middleton one. How come you guys didn't get in trouble for using AI in your video and Manicin Pussy did? Because we did it in a cool, interesting, dystopian way. I thought theirs was cool and interesting and dystopian, too. Yeah, I was surprised.

I wasn't that mad at what they did it either. I thought it was cool. It was like they used it as an art tool, the way, like, I would think that people should and would use this thing that you can't pretend doesn't exist. I guess why we got away with it is because we were sort of like tongue-in-cheek doing that, like sort of satirizing the use of AI as a tool. And it was like a small piece of the, you know,

I think AI is a, really like cool tool if it's used by artists as like a you know totally like any kind of like technological advance people in art people resist at first well some people lean into it way too hard some people yeah resist it um but i think we were really conscious of that uh when we were making the video so didn't want to make something that was just all AI it was just a little like tip of the hat. Sure. I'm a lady.

I think too, when it's like an effect that is used consistently throughout an entire video, because it's not just them. I've seen a bunch of videos. And I have the same experience with all of them where it just kind of like flattens my experience. Like I watch and I stop having like an emotional reaction of any kind to the medium because it's just like when it's like all generated, it's just like there's nothing for me to like latch on to because it's just like some sort of like visual

regurgitated soup. And it lacked, for me, it just lacked intentionality not to like rag on them or whatever. I like their album. Album's really good. Yeah, I didn't see the their video, but for hours it was like kind of this like scary rabbit hole

that we fell in where you know, all it took was just a short clip from our podcast. You know, we have a podcast too. Yeah, I remember you guys made a podcast. That's called bandsplain, but it's not Bands. That's also where you explain bands. It's called

divespan. But all it took was like a 15 second clip of us talking from our podcast and a photo of us and then you can like make yourself say anything in any language. So creepy. And so that was like a cool like dead internet like post truth kind of

idea that we just wanted to like signal at and not fix it on too hard or whatever. But yeah, we deep faked ourselves. It feels like because of that too, like, and for other reasons, like, very conceptually connected to the music and the lyrical ideas and the late stage capitalism themes, all that stuff, like, this kind of like really scary future where like all of our identities

are just like used for profit, very like increasingly easy. I don't know what the mannequin pussy song is about. so maybe it is a commentary on AI. Maybe that's what people weren't getting was that it was a song about AI somehow. I think what people just weren't getting where they were using it with artists, again, like as a tool to just see what it might be able to do

just like anyone would use like autotune to see what it could do or whatever. Like it's not, it's a neutral, in my opinion, it's a neutral tool depending on what you do with it, right? Just like the internet or whatever. Yeah, for sure. It can be used extremely nefariously. It has those capabilities,

and it has capabilities to be used completely benignly or in a cool way or whatever. And because human nature curves towards evil, it probably will be used primarily for evil purposes, and maybe it will collapse all identity and truth, and then we get to start over. I think, too, with new tech, like, there's no, there isn't really much rhyme or reason

for who gets, like, the short end, Or the, what am I trying to say? Like when Stevie Wonder kind of pioneered using synths and music, people loved that album. And then after that, there was backlash against synthesizers. Yeah. And there's no, like, it doesn't make sense why Stevie Wonder didn't get shit for it, you know, other than that record just being really good.

But I feel like we're just in a phase where like certain bands, people are going to hop aboard and just get mad at them for using AI. Well, I think the punk community is known for being pretty finger-wacking, ultimately, unfortunately, even though that's not really supposed to be the vibe. We won't get down that rabbit hole. Cole, you're the last one.

Yeah, I mean, you know, I got a one-year-old. We wake up real early. We watch Sesame Street in the mornings. There's a lot of good songs on there. Number of the day is good. Letter of the day is good. The theme song is good. You know what my favorite was?

The Count had this song that was like Gilbert and Sue are one and two I don't remember the rest of it But like that's always really been This is permanently burned in my brain Really like the count The Count had the best songs He had the best songs

He's the best musician I'm a Grover girl like through and through Till the end, ride or die bitch for Grover He's like the most compelling character Because he's like the most flawed Exactly he has the most pathos He's totally Yeah

He's a liar Because he's the most human He's the most like humans. The rest of them are sort of like really one dimensional to teach children about like different things. But Grover is the most like what people are actually like. He has insecurities. He's trying to impress people. I love him.

What does he lie about? Everything. It's awesome. Yeah, I think he's, you know, he's just, he's trying to, he's like a people pleaser who like wants to be accepted and just sort of goes about it sometimes in a very human and wrong way. Exactly. Yeah, so that's part of the listening. Then went to buy cigarettes, listen to the Christian rock station, which I think is amazing. What are we talking?

Like, Lifehouse? I love Lifehouse. What else is on there? Yeah, Life FM is crazy. The lyrics are just, like, so much more, like, profound. They're about, like, tribulations and these, like, massive obstacles to overcome. And then pop radio lyrics are, like, trite in comparison. It's, like, really interesting.

world to like immerse yourself in because I don't have like a tape player or anything. I feel like soul net could be on the Christian rock station lyrically. Whoa. Yeah, I struggled with my faith. I hear that.

No, do you think? I've raped and been insane. We're harvesting your suffering, turn from the light. I feel like this is very, yeah, I have access to genius.com. Nice. So, okay.

Love. I fuck heavily with Christian rock because I think it's really good. there's really good Christian rock bands. I can't explain why. It's just, it's a genre that speaks to me. It has a real, it's Yossi chord. It has a 90s energy.

Always. It's stuck, it's perpetually in the 90s. Ben was saying yesterday, too, how there's this thing with Christian rock where you can, like, you can spot it in, like, one second. You know, even though it's like, genre-wise, it's kind of all over the map.

Is it the production? Someone explained it to me as. It's God's touch. They're trying to make you feel every emotion at once. It's just like so like, like wrought, you know, with emotion. That makes sense. That's why I like why I like it.

That's like the kind of TV I watch too. Like I really like like the most lowest common denominator, like holds your hand emotionally, like guides you through the emotion, like Gray's Anatomy core shows because like, I love it. Sue me. This is relaxation time. Suits. Do you watch suits?

Surprisingly, no, but it's completely in my wheelhouse. Like, I watched Burn Notice, I watched Sike, Monk. Monk, I like Monk. But it is a handholding show for sure, yeah. You should check out reality TV. I don't like it. Reality TV doesn't do the same thing. Reality TV is all one, it's all dopamine.

It's all just like to get you kind of like the same as social media. It's all designed to hit like the dopamine center of your brain, but it doesn't have like nuance. And it's like emotional things. Don't get Cole started on. reality TV. Everyone loves it. And it's so funny because everyone's like, I know it's crazy, but I watch reality TV. I know it's trash. And it's like actually everyone watches it. It's like the most popular stuff. If you want to get real crazy babe, you watch Will Trent on ABC, which is about a detective from Atlanta who can't read. That's the kind of shit that I'm on.

That's the type of beat that I'm on. And you guys don't even know about this shit. Copaganda show called The Rookie, about a 41-year-old cop rookie. Love. Amazing. I actually, I actually totally agree with Cole about how reality TV is really deep and even Ben too Ben's a reality TV hater but you get sucked into certain shows but my thing is that it's just way too much of a time commitment yeah I'm probably wrong I don't think it's one note you're right you're right they do a really good job of storytelling it's very like Greek mythology like real like heroes journey shit and it's very crazy like social commentary weird social experiments and like yeah people are acting but it is like a metaphor

for how people go through life because life is acting and I'm sure Cole could say more. It's real allegory of the cave type shit. It's like it just showed people can't help but be themselves. You know, all the all the therapy speak and all the like shit they learn, the tools they learn to kind of like pretend to be this like benevolent like human, you know, they fall away. And you just learn about people. You know, they're just people, and they can't help but expose themselves. What are you fucking with the most heavily, Cole? Like Vanderpump, housewives, love is blind.

I dabble around, but this season of The Bachelor, I thought was great. Cole's Bachelor fanatic. I think you've seen everything. You're a historian of The Bachelor. Yeah. I watched a couple of seasons of Married at First Sight, which I actually did find profoundly interesting. Because those people are not the same as regular reality show people.

They're not trying to be famous. They want to get married. You can tell. They're so earnest. Cole, you really want to get down to the nindigrity of reality TV. I've talked about on this show several times. You go back to like the early 2000s when it was the fucking Wild West. I've done it.

Babe. Sex box. Do you remember sex box? They would have people have sex in a box on stage. That's a real show. That existed. The Swan. Do you remember?

fucking swan. Oh yeah, definitely. I mean, even old Bachelor, you know, now everybody's like on the Bachelor, they want to be like the president or, you know, I think they really want to be just like influencers or whatever, but, you know, they go on with this kind of like benevolent therapy speak. The Nick Vile vibe. I know, I know who that is because of TikTok. Nick Files is the archetype. He sends a, he sends a fucking chill up my goddamn spine, I'll tell you. I'm sure he's a nice man. But back then, it was just like, this chick is hot or whatever. Right. I miss smoothbrain old reality TV

It's kind of the same as why Do you guys know who Brad Tremel is? Oh yeah, we're obsessed Okay, did you watch the hipster documentary? I haven't watched it yet The hipster report I watched half of it, yeah Were you, Cole?

Were you like me like praying and praying to God that you're not in it? I was the whole time I was like, please God kids don't let any one photo of me be in here, please and I made it through there was not one. No, it like predates my era a little bit, you know what I mean? A little bit, but they get into like hipster runoff I was like there's totally possible that you could have made it

to like the latter stage. Because like the black lips are all over it, you know? Like I, but I was like, oh, interesting. You're, you didn't make it. But it was the coolest. Yeah, I think we got one mention on hipster runoff. It was, it was, we were flattered. He was absolutely unwaveringly cruel, but he also was some sort of visionary.

Oh, yeah. Like the way he satirized what was happening was so brilliant. And back then he was like anonymous. So we had all these theories about. about we thought like multiple people we knew were Carl's. There was like this like, yeah, real like mythology around, around Carl's and around Hips to runoff because he just knew too much to not be like in, in it, you know? Yeah.

Like gossip girl. Exactly. Like gossip girl. I brought it up though because he makes a good point about why modern day young people are enamored by like what they call Indiesleys. And it's like because everyone has become so. therapy speak activism that like they don't have fun anymore like it's not it's not supposed to be fun like you're not supposed to it sounds to be fun at a protest you're not just like the fun has

sort of been like suction away from the way life is supposed to be lived so they sort of like lionize this time when all we did was like fucking to be honest drink sparks and do cocaine and wear like lemay pants from American apparel and like actually socialize with other people because we didn't have as much social media we were like in person and I that made so much sense I was like oh that's really, he fucking nailed it. It's so true. Yeah, he's a real, a genius. I'm on board, and I didn't, I didn't know about him before that, hipster doc, but I'm sold. Oh, you got to go back and watch all of them. All of his reports paid for the Patreon. They're, like, they're heavy. You really have to, like, pay attention. But even just following his Instagram, like, even just, like,

his stories and, like, his posts are just, like, it's like the best content on, on Instagram, I think. I put myself in Instagram jail for like seven hours a day now because not to bring up disgraced podcaster Andrew Huberman, but I listened to one of his podcast about focused deep work. And the guy was like, every time you task switch, it takes 15 full minutes to get back into what you're doing. And I was like, well, I have to learn about the entire history of Pearl Jam, sir, so I can't keep looking at Instagram like a fucking rat to get dopamine because I'll never get through. And so I don't, I try not to look at it except for while I'm watching. my copaganda show at night. Can task wish between those too.

We don't have to get into it, but the fall of Andrew Huberman is really funny to me. I don't even know who that is. He's like a wellness guru type podcaster, but he's also, he's like a Joe Roken regular. He falls into this weird cross section of like wellness and. I mean, we don't have to get super into it. I do think it's interesting though because of what you were saying, Cole, about The Bachelor. I genuinely, my biggest takeaway from that whole thing

was also being out here as a single woman, pray for Yossi, but there's a new brand of man that is like honestly the most insidious we've seen, which is the kind of man who like goes to therapy, maybe even isn't self-aware enough to know that this is what they're doing, but they like consider themselves kind of evolved. They weaponize that therapy speak

and they weaponize their own feigned vulnerability. to make women feel safe, but underneath it, there's still just completely like non-committal dirtbags who are like doing fuck shit. And it's fucking scary. That's like the core takeaway of that show for me,

which I think has been like stripped away in the newest season. But there was a season where there was like, you know, there was 30 guys like that, these kind of toxic, you know, guys who have been like, you know, received like media coaching

in like therapy speak and like, you know, sharing your truth and stuff. And then there was, this one guy, Braden, who was just like a regular guy, and he was like cast as the villain. And I was like, man, this guy is like the only normal person in the room. You guys, I literally like went on a couple of dates with a guy who, by the way, 47 years old.

So you're way too old to back like this. Okay, whatever. Fine. Absolutely did the like misleading like vulnerability thing. Whatever. Fine. Then he was like, I'm not, you know, fertile ground for a relationship. I was like, okay.

Then he goes, but I really want to be your. ally. And I was like, excuse the fuck out of me. Am I a marginalized community, sir? What are you even fucking saying to me? Get fucked. Like literally, like, kick rocks. Like, get, literally get real babe. Like, I was, like, shocked. I was like, you want to be my ally? Who taught you this? What are you saying? I'm actually kind of glad because it's so funny that I can reference it the rest of my life because it's the funniest thing anyone's ever said to me. Leave it to men to express it in the worst possible way in web, eponize it in the worst ways, but I do think that therapy speak is just like a true epidemic

that like everyone is. Hey, Colin, thanks for sharing your truth, man. Thanks for sure. Yeah, we're holding space for you to share. No, it's just like, for me, it's like, it makes me feel crazy sometimes when I talk to people and they use this language. And I'm just like, what are you even talking about? But like, years ago, it was like, someone would be like, oh, I'm just so energetically tapped. I'm sorry, I can't hang out. But now it's like, oh, I'm just so energetically tapped. And I have no responsibility in regards to bailing, bailing on you or anything like that. Like, it's your fault.

Exactly. Yeah. And if you get mad at me about this, then you're actually being fucked up. You're abusing me. And it's like, yeah, you're an abuser. No, it's true. It's people are, again, because I hate to say this. And I'm not, I'm not cynical.

I'm just simply observing, I'm observant. people do by and large tend to default to an evil or a way of being or more selfish is the right word. Evil is not really the white word. But like they will use whatever they can to be more selfish. So it's like the word boundaries, babe, meaningless now. Meaningless. Because all people have done is use it to do whatever they want. And then couch that within like I'm being healthy. I'm taking care of myself. And it's like actually like we need to take care of each other. Actually like we are. a collectivistic culture of people that needs more responsibility and care for other people. But like it is kind of late stage capitalism. This weaponizing of therapy to be more selfish is completely like fits in with light stage capitalism. New dive album. May 24th. Okay, number four.

What is the first song that made a meaningful impact on you as a child? Bailey. I mean, I probably don't even remember that song from when I was like two. But the first thing I remember playing over and over again was the first rap song I ever heard. I had a cassette tape of like the how to memorize the capital cities of the 50 states or whatever. In rap form? Yeah. And I was like, oh my God.

You can talk like that. You're like, this is lit. I'm seven. Yeah, exactly. Like four-year-old me knew all the capitals. Do you do a couple bars for us? right now? No, I have zero memory. Somebody asked me that recently, and I tried to find the song on the internet, and I can't find it anywhere. So, no, I have no memory of it at all, sorry. But you can

imagine. It's just the capitals. All right, great, Bailey. I can't wait to look that up later for myself. Ben, what about you? Man, I had the opposite experience where I had a tape. It was like addition and multiplication tables as rap songs, and I hated it so much. It was like torture. Whoa. But I don't know. Same. I probably don't really remember. like, I was only allowed to listen to Christian music back to Christian rock. So I had this tape called Carmen Riot, R-I-O-T was like an acronym for something. I don't really remember any of the songs, though.

It was like a similar kind of like white person rapping about Jesus. Hell yeah. With maybe some like rock influence in there too. Something pretty bad, probably. Basically early rap rock, but about Jesus. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So the impact it made on you was positive or negative?

Oh, I don't know specifically. You're like, I want to do this. I just liked it. Yeah, I was just like, this is cool. It's got like an edge to it, even though it was like a fake edge. Okay, cool. Love that. Colin, what about you?

I like try to think about it. I have like a, I don't have a really strong memory of my life before I was like 10 for whatever reason. Okay. Just it's all a blur. Hard drugs. Yeah, a lot of drugs. Yeah.

Not for like any sketchy reason. Just I, my memory is just weird. Especially with that, but I think it's probably like silent night or something. I think it's like a, it's like a church song. Because I was like raised Catholic.

Yeah. And I think that was like probably just like when I was like sitting in church when I was younger and just spacing out and being like so fucking bored. The music was always like where I would be like, oh, this is kind of, it was like early. stirrings of like actually thinking about what music was or like oh I like this song why do I like this one more than this other one and then kind of developing taste through that silent night does

go crazy I must say to this day anytime I hear it I'm like really I'm really affected so yeah it was probably it was probably church music not gospel but like actual proper like old sounding church music right okay what about you cool oh first song I mean I'm hell hell of distinctly remember hearing like over and over what is actually one of my karaoke go-toes is a heart of the matter by John Henley. It's a good one. Song is fucking good, man. I just heard it the other day actually randomly.

Was I singing karaoke somewhere? I don't know. I want to go to karaoke soon. We had that tape. I guess it was like one of the few tapes we had. It was like... Like your family had it? Mm-hmm.

Did it make you want to be a rock musician? No, I never wanted to be a rock. musician. I just randomly fell into it because some guy came up to me on the subway and said that he liked my shirt or something. I joined his band. Oh yeah, you were like a model, right? No. Did I read that? Is that wrong? It wasn't like, well, I guess, I don't know. Like after the band was a thing, I did. Okay, like Eddie Slaman era casting. Yeah, with a bunch of like 15-year-olds. Oh my God, so you got like street cast to be in a band because he was like, you look cool.

can you be in my band? Yeah. Amazing. That happened to me with the musician now known as Orville Peck. I could have really used Colin because he wanted me to be the bassist. He said I looked like a cool bassist,

which in fairness, I do look like a cool basis. However, I'm like absolutely musically incompetent and it was so hard for, but also he was like, you need to learn these like seven songs and we're going to go on tour with fucked up in two weeks. And I was like, sir, I've never played an instrument. And all of the bass lines were like swing rhythms. on top of it.

So I was just like, I can only do so much. And then it never happened. I was in one music video though. Okay, moving on. This is not about me and my bass career. This is about you guys.

It's in your music. My short, my short-lived base career. Okay. Number five. Thank you. What is the first album you bought with your own money

or shoplifted with your own two hands? Let's start with you, Colin. Take it away. Oh, I actually think it was the space jam soundtrack. Hell yeah. What drew you in particular to the space jam soundtrack? Was there a certain song you wanted?

Was it the R. Kelly song? I fucking loved that movie when it came out. I was obsessed, like a lot of people. Yeah, same. And the soundtrack is so good. Like, it has Fly Like an Eagle. And honestly, maybe Fly Like an Eagle was one of my first big time. Yeah, really movie.

But also, like, what's the other one? It's Basketball Jones. basketball Jones really good and Space Jam theme all that kind of stuff I remember getting that and then I also remember

getting a Lincoln Park like reanimation CD remember that I feel like Jay Z was on that or something that was a rough

rough album that's definitely rough I go back every now and then to listen to that if I think about it I'm like oh yeah that album I remember

I feel like That's like, that's late stage capitalism. That's like when they were like, Jay Z and Lincoln Park on the Sprite Presents Tour or whatever. I'm making that up, but I don't think I am making it up. I think it actually happened. That kind of branding or marketing campaign was really ahead of its time

because now like everything is like that. It's like Travis Scott Happy Meal and shit like that. Right. And Sion. Sion was really ahead. Sion was out here sponsoring every fucking music thing possible trying to get that fucking car off the ground. Nobody wanted it.

But yeah, Space Jam, 1996. Okay. What about you, Cole? first album you bought or shoplifted. I don't know. I feel like I would go to the CD stores with my friends, but I wouldn't have like 20 bucks for a CD. So I bought a lot of CD singles because you could

leave with something. And yeah, the first one I ever bought was the Bullet with Butterfly Wings. CD single. The art was really cool. How old were you? Like 11. You're a 11. Yeah, hell yeah. The world is a vampire. Still didn't want to be a rock musician, but just really

feeling that. It's a good song. All right, Andrew Bailey. The first album I bought with my own money, with my paper out money, was what's it called, Chris Cross, second album. Jump, Jump. No, the one after that. Wow, you guys are really getting into like the torched era of each Lincoln Park with Jay-Z second album, Chris Cross that no one has ever purchased or listened to. No, me and my friend in school used to rap it all the time.

It was called DeBomb, and it was really good. And the first CD I shoplifted was also smashing pumpkins. They had some bonus CD or some crap that came out in like 1999 or so. I don't know. I got caught stealing it so I didn't get to keep it. Oh, I'm sorry. That's okay. Where was it like a Sam Goody?

What are we talking? Warehouse music. No, it was Tower Records. I was pissed. I only went there to steal from them because they'd put out of business my favorite play, Disk and Dat because they had all the Nirvana, Blue Legs and all that. Disk and Dad? The best.

Yeah, disc and dat. Yeah, that place was the best story ever. They had like 50 Nirvana CDs. Hell, yeah. Can you guys help me settle a debate speaking Nirvana? You brought it up. Here we go. I don't consider Nirvana to be a grunge band.

I mean, I think that's... Interesting. Fair because that's like saying, you know, when, like, slow dive or whatever was being called a shoegaze band, like, that was invented and imposed upon them. They weren't like, I am a shoegaze band. Right. I mean, listen, I'm not like... I'm not a genre essentialist by any regard.

I don't, I think in general, it's a flimsy way to categorize music. But if we are going to use it, I would say like Allison Chains and Soundgarden and Pearl Jam are good. Yeah, totally. I agree. At least in that early 90s period, like, you know, whatever, 91 to 95 or 6 or whatever. But I don't think, I don't think Nirvana fits in. But even Alice and Chains, like, have, like, way more metal influence than other grunge bands. I feel like they stylistically distinct, yeah.

Yeah, I was going to say they're almost a metal band. Yeah, well, because they used to be a fucking hair metal band. Nirvana started as a grunge band. Like, Bleach is a grunge album and all the influence. Like, they were coming up in a grunge scene, you know, like with the Melvins and all then. Yeah, but I think it was like against their will. The Melvins are also not a grunt band. Well, a lot of bands do that.

I mean, I've did that too. It's like, this is what is popular in the scene right now. So we'll, like, make our version of that and then use that as like a step and off point to make the music we have. actually what I'm made. I mean, yeah, though like original Nirvana second guitar player was wearing literally wearing a sound garden shirt on the cover of bleach. You know what I mean? Jason. Poor thing. He paid for the recording of that fucking album. $666.6 never was repaid. Kicked out of the band. Then join the military. Fascinating person. Yeah, he's like a badass, like sniper in the fucking...

Seriously. Okay, anyways. A little bit of a detour. Found the only people on Earth who know more about Nirvana than me, maybe. Ben. I don't know. It's hard because I had an older brother, so it was like... So you got a hand-me-down. Yeah. So the first one I bought, I think it was similar to Colin where it was a soundtrack to Batman Forever. That's one of the best soundtracks of all time. Top 10.

It's incredible. I just recently re-bought it. On vinyl. Yeah, it fucking rules. Is that the prince? The prince one? There might be a prince song, but it's got you know, kiss from a rose on a grave. It has that U-2 song.

Hold me. Yeah. Kiss me, kill me. Has a Mazy Star song. It has a PJ Harvey song. There's a Nick Cave song. Randomly smash it up by the offspers on there. There's a nine-inch nail song.

It goes pretty hard. Soundtracks are something we really lost. I feel sad about it all the time. They used to be so important and meaningful. I know. Not so much anymore. Okay. Number six.

Did anyone in your childhood ever tell you you're never going to make it or something like that, like they do in the movies. And if so, who was it? What did you say back? Maybe just like one of you answer this if you have a good story for it. I have a good story. Colin, take it away, babe. Middle Eastern parents, do you say?

Told you that you couldn't make it in the arts? No, no, no, no. No, my parents were cool. They're also like mostly Irish. So maybe that over. Yeah, Irish people. They love the arts. No, I had already been a music musician for a while,

but like the band that I was in when I was younger was like, kind of ending. And I had to get the, I had to get really random jobs. I was living in Chicago and I got a job at a startup selling hair loss restoration surgery at this startup called Med Intro. Uh-huh. And I would go and I was the only person that worked there with, uh... Hair.

With an edgy. With hair, no. With like an education. Okay. And that's just to say that like, the boss was like obsessed with me and like had me like write the scripts because I was like a English major and I could write and blah blah you know and so I wrote the script and like and then I had to go on tour and he Steve from that intro was sat me down in his office and was like you know

Colin like sometimes you just have to know when to give up on your dreams and he he offered to double my pay and was trying to convince me to stay at this thing that's doesn't even exist anymore, which is ironic because startups, similar to bands, often fail. You know? Steve, man. So, yeah, Steve told me, like, explicitly to give up on my dreams of being a musician. And I think about him all the time. And I Google, I Google him sometimes. Yeah, you got to, you should like, get back in touch and be like, hey, Steve, you ever heard of this website called pitch for it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm the king of that. They followed my every move, babe. You never thought I was going to make it four German interviews on this one European tour alone. And they were nice to us.

But yeah, it was funny to get, I feel like for when I was younger, younger, it was so novel that I was playing shows that people were like, well, that's cool. You get to go to Europe. And it wasn't until I got, I became like a quote adult that anyone was like, you should really think about your future, you know. I got voted most likely to be in a band in high school. So it's the whole opposite. So you got full support from your peers. Yeah, or whoever wrote the yearbook. That's because they weren't allowed to put a biggest loser kind of a group. Yeah, exactly. Ben, you're not supposed to agree with that. I don't just be like, yeah, exactly what is happening to you in this band. I'm starting to pick up on a relational dynamic in this band. Cole is abusing me by not holding space for my truth.

He's not holding space for your superlative of the biggest loser in your high school truth. Okay, number seven, you guys, when was the last time you told a lie? Like an hour ago. was it to me about Dave Matthew's man? You actually love them. You followed them on tour. No, I can't lie to the person that I'm meeting in the studio about why I can't go in right now. Are you embarrassed to be doing this interview, Bailey? That's kind of sad. I think it's pretty cool. No, no, no, no, no. I told him what I'm doing out here. Just that I double booked. And so I had to be like, oh, yeah, the time got changed. But that was not sure. Seems like an okay lie. Okay. And who else has lied recently? Come clean.

I was just in Ireland for a while and there was this tour guide we had. And he kept talking about how he never lets the truth get in the way of a good story. And I feel like every single time I tell a story, there's some element of lying. Although everything I said about my hair loss restoration surgery job was true. Yeah, it was too specific, I think, to make that up. What about you, Ben or Cole? I can't think of one. And the only one I could think of is a while ago and it's like,

Too intense. I'm not going to do it. It was like an actual bad lie. It was a dark and nefarious lie. Okay. All right, Ben. Worried about you a little bit. Okay.

I told my wife I switched the laundry. But it's actually not done with the cycle yet. But I just don't, you know. Okay. Hopefully she doesn't listen to this podcast. All right. Number eight, you guys. What character in a book or film do you relate to the most and why?

Ben, go first. There's probably like a word for this, but like you kind of relate to whatever it is that you're reading or looking at right now, you know? Some people do, not everyone. That's a way to be. Not everyone is like that. Well, and I'm not always like that,

but I'm reading this book called Solenoid that's this like Romanian guy. Is it sci-fi? It's kind of sci-fi. It's written as if it were. like a, um, they call it auto fiction. It's like an autobiography, but then it's embellished upon. Just like Collins' life stories. Yeah, exactly. He just feels weird all the time and he feels like an outsider and I can relate to that. I feel like an outsider of my own band. Everyone's mean to me.

No, the band is one of the few places I feel safe. Sometimes. They hold space for you. Here. Okay, what about you, Andrew Bailey? It's not really, well, I guess technically it's a character. It's autobiographical is this haiku poet named Bachel who he would just like travel around and go to like historical places or monuments or whatever and just kind of stand there and take it in and then like write a poem about it as a way of like taking a picture of it. And I really, really like doing that too. And so when I read his travel diaries from like centuries ago, it's really weird that I don't know, I experience the world in the exact same way as this dude does. You also write poems about the things that you see. Yeah.

What do you do with them? I read them sometimes. Just back to yourself. They're not for public consumption. No, I don't know. I have a couple ideas for like trying to get them published, but nothing really. For the most part, I just like, because I have really terrible memory, especially when I'm traveling, because I don't see. sleep on the road very well. And so like my, my brain doesn't store memory. And so I, you know,

I try to take pictures and videos of shit, but it doesn't really like capture what I was thinking or feeling in that moment. And so I would try to also write that stuff down. That's really cool. Okay. I love that. All right. What about you, cool? I don't know. I never really like read up. I never read. I never read. I never read. I never really like, like, I like, the observance. I'm a, I'm the observational nature of like reading a story about a person. I try to like distance myself from it. But I read a couple of years ago that Patty Schemel book hits so hard. Oh, hit so hard.

It's so good. And like obviously it was a different era. She's a different person than me. But there was like a lot of kind of stories about the like depravity of her existence that I was like, holy shit. I like I relate to this share. you know. Yeah, yeah. I relate to the share.

My name is Cole. And that is a good one. It's a fantastic book for those that have not read it. It's so hard. Colin? I also do the thing that Ben is talking about where, like, I inhabit the character kind of. It's a way of like, or if it's good. I inhabit them and I, my brain starts to, like, think like them or something.

But I feel like the last book that had like a crazy. emotional connection to is that book Searcy? You read that book? Searcy. It sounds so familiar. Who's the author? Madeline Campbell. Yes.

I read it a really long time ago. It's like the retelling of the myth of Searcy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Greek mythology. That book is fucking insanely good. And I was like sobbing at the end. You really, really good. Well, because she's like, she has eternal life and like watches the people.

around her that like come to this island that she's exiled in like she like falls in love with them or gets connected to them and they die and it's like it's just like a just like just like you yeah yeah no it's actually funny because it's like I empathize or saw myself in her but in her seeing of other people you know like she is looking out at humans and she's reflecting on like the temporary quality of the human experience and everything and that like got to me because it felt like the characters was like seeing me, if that makes sense. Right. Oh, that's...

That book is really good. That's one book that I would like 100% recommend. It's like pretty easy to read and like it's like fascinating. She has another one called A Song of Achilles. That's like a retelling of Battle of Troy and Achilles. But seriously is better. Seriously, I'll read it. I have like a deeper mental illness than both you guys,

which is like whatever I take in. Like, for example, I watched the Michael Jordan documentary and I was like, I wish I was on the 1993 Bulls team. Like, I'm like deeply saddened. Like it makes me like upset that I wasn't on. Like it happens to with every band that I always, I'm like, well, I want to be in Pearl Jam in 1991. It's really sucks that I wasn't in Pearl Jam in 191.

Like, why would you have been in Pearl Jam in 1991, babe? You were nine years old. You don't play any instruments. You didn't live in Seattle. But it like gets under my skin. I'm so jubes. That's like a really funny version of FOMO. Yes.

That's like the most extreme version of FOMO possible. You're like sad that you weren't on the greatest basketball team ever. It probably says something about like my own like Dululu levels and like what I think of myself. That I'm like, well, I could have done it. Clearly I was meant to be great in some sort of great capacity and it was on the 1993 Bulls. Anyways, moving on. I did play a little basketball. So I don't know if you guys.

Nice. Hey, with AI, you can be on the 1993 Bulls. So true. I have a lot of fun with AI because I'm really bad with it. And I will just have it like create scenarios. Like I imagined because both Dave Matthews and Mark Arm from Mudhoney performed with Dinosaur Jr. On the same night in Seattle. And I was like, I wonder if they hung out backstage.

And then I asked AI to generate some images of them hanging out backstage. Unfortunately, I think, and this is love and respect to Mark Arm, I think he's both. maybe not famous enough. And also his arm, because his name is last name is arm, the AI got really confused. And so there's like a picture of this like bizarro Dave Matthews with a tattoo on his arm.

And I was like, oh my God, it's a mark on his arm. But it's pretty great. The images that came out were chef's guess. Okay. Number nine, what is your biggest sliding doors moment? As in if you had made another choice, maybe you wouldn't be here right now. Colin,

And since you said the last one, take the first one here. I guess like, I mean, like, I don't even really believe in that premise necessarily. But if I am going to run with it, I think, like, we were just in Paris and I studied in Paris when I was like 20. Of course you done. It's giving. It's giving. It's giving. I went abroad and I sat in cafes and I read philosophy books.

Yeah, maybe not the philosophy books. but I definitely sat in cafes. But I started playing music there. That's when I like practically became a musician. Were you busking? No, no, no, I was playing like shows. I like put on an EP when I was there. But anyway, there was just this moment where I was like,

oh, I actually just don't want to be in school. I never wanted to be in school. And I should just drop out and stay in Paris. And I think that is like probably the biggest, what if moment. That probably would have shifted everything. Maybe I wouldn't have ever met these guys, you know? Because I went back to Chicago and then I met Cole in Chicago. Right.

I had a show and that's how I ended up joining the band. Like, blah, blah, if I had just like committed to be in like a European, like, or like an expat over there, like probably would have been definitely more annoying. Yeah, I think so. I think you chose the right path. Yeah. Cole for you, was it the band coming up to you in the subway and saying you should be in my band? No, I don't know. I feel like maybe things would wind up the same. The first thing I thought of was

when I was like eight or something, I was on a hike with my mom and like my uncle or something. And I was really into like freestyle walking. And I was like jumping off of like. Like parkour? No, like just jumping. Jumping off stuff and like doing like a 180 or whatever. And I was like jumping off these stairs. And then I kept going and there was like a, it was hike. So it was like in nature. I don't remember where it was. And then there was like a this drop off. And I was like, I'm going to do like a 360 off this. And then my mom was like, don't go too far ahead. So I like went back and then we walked. And the thing I was going to jump off was actually like a 40 foot cliff. Oh, so you have a more intense one as then you would have died. I would not be here today because I would have been dead. Yeah, I feel like I would have. I think about

that all the time. I was like, well, that was crazy. All right. Ben. For me, it's probably moving to New York. living in Raleigh, North Carolina, and I was had this girl had broken my heart and I was like, fuck it. Because you wouldn't play crush in to me. Yeah, exactly. She's like, play it or we break up. And you were like, but I want to be your ally.

Okay, sorry, please go on. Play it on drums. The Dave Matthews' drummer is like the greatest drummer he really is so sick. He's incredible. That's right. Carter Beaufort, shout out. But anyway, I mean, it's a pretty like kind of obvious one. I was just like, you know what? Fuck this town.

I'm moving to New York, and I did that. And if I had stayed in Raleigh, I think my life would be completely different. You could have been in Waxahatchie. Yeah, I mean, a lot of good bands from the Triangle area. All right, what about you, Andrew Bailey? Well, I'm a recovering alcoholic, and I'm pretty sure if I hadn't quit drinking, I wouldn't be around, or at least, like, functioning properly. I mean, yeah, you knew back when I was drinking.

drinking. I sure did. Yeah, when we were hanging out at that grandmother's house, that was right before I quit drinking, I think. But anyway, so there's, like, a couple of small things that happened that got me to actually stop. One is, I was having an affair, and I left my email open and then left the apartment. And if I hadn't left that email open, my girlfriend wouldn't have seen it, and I wouldn't have gotten caught. Or, like, I don't know. It's hard to imagine what would have happened. But if I had just, kept drinking, then yeah, I wouldn't be talking here right now, that's for sure. A sultry email affair? Well, it was like a real life affair, but we were emailing as well, yeah. And, yeah, it was shitty. As my yoga teacher on Saturday said, not a grain of sand is out of place in this universe. Yeah, exactly. I'm a determinist, so I like, I do kind of, like, I don't believe in free will and stuff like that.

And so it's kind of hard to answer questions like this because, like, I do. Not you opening this can of worms. Yeah, my fault. Not you opening the free will can. I'm just kidding. We won't get into it. I'm like a, I'm a halfway. I think, I think it's a mixture. I think it's like really like the justice card and taro. I think you reap what you sow, but that you, but that continuously brings you to places where you can make new decisions. It's like, choose your own adventure. Whereas like it keeps branching off into these like little places. But like all of wherever you are now is still based on like the tree of things that you did in the past. Yeah, totally. It's the choice is. we make, but the reason that we choose one way or another is determined by physics, I think. I'm a God's plan, girlie. Yeah.

I mean, me too. Or I just like saying God's plan. If you get to choose how you experience the world, why not choose to experience it God's plan way? Why not? That's interesting. I never thought like that. I do believe human experience is 100% subjective.

So like, pick your fucking, pick your poison. Pick the way you want to see the world. Do you want to see it glass half full? Fucking fill the last. I definitely don't argue with people who. believe in free will because like we don't know like we don't even know what consciousness is yet and so like it's ignorant to say for sure either way sometimes when I do mushrooms I do think I know what consciousness is and I'm like I'm going to explain it to you I have a map and then after it's down I'm like I don't remember sorry I don't

remember but I did know 24 number number number number 10 what characteristic are you most drawn to in other people. Cole, go first. You know, I love a sense of humor. Sometimes my wife watches TikTok and I'll like watch over her shoulder, just like kind of. And there was this thing that was like four faces. And it was like, which face would you go on a date with? And I was like, be. And it was like about how certain facial features represent certain like characteristics

or whatever. It kind of sounds like skull shape, like like what's it called? Phenology. Just like borderline racist. Not borderline. Actually, I think fully racist. Like literally a tool of racism. But anyway, the person I picked B,

the characteristic that they embodied supposedly was easygoing nature. So that's what I learned about myself. Okay. You're drawn to an easygoing. Danny has an easygoing nature. She kind of exudes an easygoing nature. So that makes a lot of sense.

Yep. Through and through. Also a forest nymph. What about you, Ben? I'm always drawn to people that are really, like, kind and gentle. That's, like, my favorite type of person. I'm like, wow, you're so nice. I love that.

Nobody says that. I think that's really sweet. That's a very rare answer. That's very nice. What about you, Andrew Bailey? I'm the opposite. Ever since I was, like, a young kid. Like, dicks.

Yeah, yeah, for real. And I don't fully understand why. I just know that it's true about myself and always has, like, my first friends in nursery school were the troublemakers. and I think it's just that life is more exciting when you like hang around people like that because you never know what you're going to get into or what they're going to do and like yeah I don't I don't fully understand what it is but I've always been drawn to like somebody more badass and not giving a fuck than I am in a way you know and I guess specifically they're not giving a fuck because I like I sometimes don't know if I should give a fuck

about something or not. And so if I have this like devil on my shoulder being like, no, bro, we can do this and get away with it. Then like it pushes me to experience life more. Is that what drew you to Cole, his not giving a fuck goodness when you were children? Yeah, in a way. Yeah.

I mean, I didn't like Cole when we first met, but. I understand. I don't mean either. But it's just because I didn't know him yet. I had like a false first impression of him. But then, yeah, once we got to know each other, I was like, oh, this guy doesn't give a fuck and breaks. more rules than I do than I wanted to be friends with them.

Interesting. All right. What about you, Colin? Definitely says of humor. I feel like sense of humor means that you don't take yourself too seriously, but like someone being actually funny. Like witty? There's different kinds of funny.

Like fall down Benny Hill funny or like sharp wit funny. More like ability to make people or me laugh. I definitely enjoy being around people who can make like a room light up, You know? Right. I think my dad is very much like that. So it maybe has something to do with that. But definitely in like romantic partners,

like I can't even entertain the idea of a long-term relationship unless the person's making me laugh. There's like no possibility. I like it. Sense of humor is the most common answer. Although not typically that people like funny women, TBQH. I love, I definitely. like that.

Just not speaking from personal experience or anything about everyone's favorite thing. Also I just before we move

and I I want to 100% confirm whatever like behavioral science idea we were talking about before just that

I feel like it's not even face shape necessarily because there's also like other physical there's other physical

attributes where like I'll see someone that looks like someone I know really well and they will behave the same.

Oh, I think that stuff is true. I believe in facial determinism and also nominative determinism, which is that people mold to their own names. Oh, wow, interesting. Yeah, I think that's a really slept-on science. Yeah, true. Science is maybe not the right word,

but I do think people tend to like morph into things that kind of like reflect what their name is. It's kind of funny that idea, like, you know, we got a kid where you talk about baby names right and so often it's like this is such a cool name and like one of us will be like oh this kid from middle school was named that it's out and it's like why is it out but your idea of nominative determinism determinism uh like confirms that that yeah you shouldn't name your kid the same thing as the someone you hate it the weird weird bully from middle school yeah it's true um okay number 11 who is the last person you met that you were starstruck by? I think for all of us, it's got to be Fred Darius, huh?

Wow, they all left you hanging. They were like, maybe you. I'm trying to think if there was anyone since then. He was just so nice and easygoing that like whatever feeling I had of being starstruck just evaporated really quickly because I was like, oh, this guy is so chill. Oh, tell your man bun story. Oh, my man bun story. Who's man bun?

Okay, I guess this isn't really, I mean, I was kind of starstruck to see him, but Jeff Garland, you know, from Caribbean Enthusiasm fame. From Kirby Enthusiasm, which I don't watch, but I know who he is. I went to my friend Conn's going away party at this guy. I can't remember his name, but another comedian's house. He hosted the party. Yeah, it was Jeff Ross. So Jeff Ross's house.

He was very funny. I went and Jeff Garland was there. And I had a like a man bun. Again, of course, you did. To my credit, even though I've at times gone way too long without a haircut and then it becomes so unruly that you just have to. But at the time, I had it up because I was going swimming in the pool and I was chilling in the hot tub. And Jeff Garland walked past the hot tub and saw me sitting and I looked at him. May I contact?

And I like, smile. And I was like, whoa, Jeff Garland's here. That's fucking crazy because I love career enthusiasm. And months go by, and then he went, I think, on Joe Rogan. I'm pretty sure it was Joe Rogan. And he told a story about Joe Rogan was like, do you go out in L.A. at all? And he's like, no, I don't go out. I don't like to do it.

Recently, I went to my friends going away party because I love her and her boyfriend and wanted to support. But then I was there and it was just, you know, there's this guy with like a manned sitting in a hot tub. And I was just like, what the fuck am I doing here? He dragged your ass on Joe Rogan. Yeah, he dragged the fuck out of me. He was so cruel about it too.

He like, it was kind of twisted. I mean, I was laughing and it felt like really surreal and funny. But I was like, damn, dude, like I was in the hot tub. I didn't want my hair to get wet, you know? Listen, he took the material that was available to him and he used it for comedic effect. You can't blame him. That's what he does. It's a good story.

That's true. Yeah. But that was, I was definitely starstruck when I saw him. I get most Starstruck when it's a kind of like niche person. I'm the exact same. Like if you're on my TV show that's on like my character driven drama on TPS, I will freak the fuck out if I see you. But if I see like Brad Pitt, I'm like, okay, can you move on a coffee? I mean, it's exciting, but it's not that.

Like, it's just, it's different. I think the like the niche interest because you spend so much time with your niche interests. Like those are my friends. Those people are my close personal parasocial friends. So when I see them in life, I'm like, oh my God. My friend is here. That being said, I went and saw that movie Bottoms, and Colin Farrell was standing right in front of me in the concession line, and he was really amazing looking. And I was definitely struck.

It's really strikingly gorgeous in real life that really blew my socks off. Me? Cool. Yes. Of course you. A model. But secondly, Rob Thomas of Matchbox 20. Whoa, yeah, he's beautiful.

He's beautiful. I was not prepared. Always has been. But still, he's held up well. What about you, Ben? I don't know. I feel like there was, like, did we, like, meet anybody in Europe recently? That's what I'm trying to remember.

I feel like we met somebody in Europe. I think there's someone. Bailey doesn't get enough REM sleep to have any memory. So you're... That's true, but I wrote it down. Oh, God damn. You're not really a Tinseltown kind of band. I hear you. You're more as fault of the earth.

Pasadena, Pasadena base. Well, you're also saying, like, most recently, so there's been other times. Sure. I've met famous people, okay? I promise. Yeah. Okay, number 12. When was the last time you slid into someone's DMs? Oh, my God.

It doesn't have to be sexually. It can just be sliding into someone's DMs. Just the only criteria is that the person you don't know them and they don't follow you. I don't think I've ever. done that. Correct. Correct answer. The only acceptable way to do it is to tell someone like, hey, I love your work or I'd love to link and build with you. Oh, wait. I have done it. Who was it? It was a long time ago. Dave Matthews. Back in the day, I would go on tour and we had the, or it was when we went to Australia and I was trying to get the tour manager to find me some weed.

And he was like, all right, here's what we're going to do. Just search the name of the city we're in, you know, like hashtag Sydney 420 and then like people will just post pictures on themselves smoking weed and then DM them and offer them tickets to the festival for weed. Did it work? Yeah, it worked. It was crazy.

We were in Adelaide and like went over to this dude's house and like sat on his couch and smoked a bong. It was really weird. And I've used that trick a couple of times since then. We slid into Brad Tremel's DMs when we were making this record. We wanted to collaborate with him

Did he respond? And he did respond. Yeah, he, I talked to him on Zoom for like a half, or no, I gave him my phone number to call me and he FaceTime me. Hell yeah. I love a raw dog FaceTime. It's so sick. It's like a so specifically sociopathic.

Do you know what I mean? That I'm like so impressed by it. I'm like, yes, do this. So cool. It was really like confrontational and direct. And then he's just sitting there. I felt like our, we were getting like, like, open studio. critiqued, you know, and we just talked to him about kind of what we were working on.

And he had like incredible insights. And then, yeah, we might do something with him in the future. But yeah, we just like straight up, just cold, slid into his DMs. I love it. I just look through all my DMs. I can't find one. My partner is like, internet friends with so many people. I'm going to like run into someone and she'll be like, oh my God, I've known that. I've been friends with that person for so long, but I just met them for the first time.

Is she an influencer? No, she's just like a cool person. She's a cool girl. She's a cool girl. She's a cool girl. A lot of cool scenes and is like charming. And I've been really inspired by like, oh, you can just like, you can just DM people who are like loosely connected to you, especially like other bands or people.

Yeah, yeah. And you develop a rapport like that. And then when you run into them, if they come to a show or something, you really are kind of like friends with them. It doesn't take all. that much. It's one of the only benefits of being marginally famous is that you can like sort of like non-creeply establish relationships with like other people. And I really enjoy that. I'm just scared. I think that they'll not respond and so I don't try. Well, you are the drummer. Yeah, exactly. My 2,000 followers on Instagram doesn't hold much weight. Yeah, but if they don't respond, like nothing's lost.

It's not that they look at and they're like, wow, pathetic. Yeah. What a loser. Yeah. But then what? Then they're just like kind of an asshole. And then you don't want to be friends them anyway. Exactly. Then it's like a reflection on them. I always say on this show, like I get a lot of DMs that I don't respond to, but I do read them all. And like when they're nice things, I'm really touched and moved. I just don't respond. But it doesn't

mean that I'm not like grateful for the sentiment, you know? Fuck it, I'm doing it. Go talk to Dave Matthews and tell him to go talk to Carter Borfover, the drummer of Dave Matthews. You know how sick you think he is? Do you think if we DM Dave Matthews account right now, he would respond? Sure, we do that.

I bet he doesn't run his own. I'm going to do it. I don't think he runs his own account. But maybe the social media people would... Yasi, come up with a DM. I'll send it right now. Ask him if he really shits on the bus. Apparently someone made a documentary about that.

Is that a five-minute-long documentary? No, I think it's like a feature film. And it like... It kind of hints at the fact that it actually wasn't them. It was another artist, but they took the heat for it. But I didn't have time in my world to go to go investigate. but I will later. Should I just say, hey guys, big fans here.

Link and build, question mark. Collabor. Lunch tomorrow. You have to say something earnest and real, authentic. Or it has to be like something offhand. I mean, it's harder with Dave Matthews, but it's better to just like respond to a story and be like, oh, I love that album.

Colin has some interesting theories. He doesn't have a story up. He's got 742,000 followers. We don't. follow each other. Type in a message right now. What's to say? Hey, Dave.

This is Cole from Dive. Just wanted to say, I really respect you and your work. Hope to run into you on tour sometime. Beautiful. Hope to run into you. Hope to crash into you. He's not.

He's got, yeah, you can't make it a joke. It's going to be upset with you. All right. Could you imagine if someone DM'd you, Cole and were like, hey, I really love your music. I would love to dive into a friendship with you.

So annoying. Okay. Well, I'm really happy that we got made that happen. I'm getting closer and closer to getting him either on this podcast or a restraining order. And who knows which way that turned the needle? We don't know. Number 13. What's the horniest song ever in your opinion?

Ben. Okay. There's this love album, DeCapo, where side A is a bunch of really good songs. then side beat is one like 18 minute long song of him just being like, oh, oh. That's the one with the drum solo for like five minutes? Yeah, it's like way too long and it's mostly like orgasm sounds. And I have only listened to it once, I think, because it makes me so uncomfortable. Okay, that's an interesting choice.

That suicide song, Frankie Teardrop is like the same thing. I used to fall asleep to that record and I'd wake up to him being like, with like delay. I'm not sure you guys are understanding what horny means. or how it's expressed. But okay, you guys are like, I was upset. It scared me. I didn't like it.

Well, I don't like horny music. That's the thing. Really? I don't like Prince. I don't like Prince. No. Really? Oh.

Whoa. Really. I've tried many times. You guys, in real time, Colin is like going to hatch a plan to kick you out of it. I know. I just thought it happened in his mind. No, I just, I feel like I've never even heard that take before.

It's because I hold it pretty close. No, not from you. It's unpopular. Because you know people will come for you. No, yeah, nobody says that. I'm just being, I'm speaking my truth. You've dug in. We're holding space for me.

You've dug into self-titles. Yeah, I've listened to the first record. Yeah. You'd love the first record. What? I've tried. It's so cool sounding. It's fine.

It's kind of like, you know, people say the same thing about Kiss where they're like, listen to the first record and it's like, I get it. I get why I would like that. Don't compare them, Ben. Don't you dare. I'm not comparing them. I'm just saying the first record is like,

like the raw, like punk one. But it just, I don't, it's, it's, it's, it's not bad. But then the rest, the later stuff, the, the, the, the horny stuff, just, I don't, I don't like horny music. You don't like the song, Controversy? I don't know, how does it go? If I was your girlfriend. That song is so fucking cool.

That songs of all time. That song's sister on the first record is so fucked up and horny. I'll keep trying. Yeah, it's so subversy. Okay, you guys, we don't have time to litigate Prince's legacy on this podcast. Ben, thanks for fucking blowing. that shit up. Okay, what about you, Andrew Bailey

horniest song in your opinion? I can't remember what it's called, but it's that DeAngelo song wearing the video, it looks like he's getting taught. It's untitled. No, I thought untitled was later. Untitled is the one where he's shirtless in the video. Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, that one. That's a funny

one, though, because he didn't want to do that, and he resented it forever. So it's like a weirdly, like, asexual song to me. Or it's more like spiritually horny or something. Best kind of horny. I mean, I always just think of that pony song.

I knew somebody's going to say that. Because it's both overtly lyrically horny and also like musically horny. Like it mimics the cadence of sex. So it's like it gives it on all fronts, really. There's also that Arkelli album that's like every single song is explicitly. Yeah, like sex planet, sex weed, sex in the kitchen. like, dude, calm down. Truly calm down, yeah.

Number 14, you guys, what is the biggest money you've ever turned down? Dive. I don't think we've like ever turned down money like that. We're not offered money that often. Didn't Hardee's offer us something, but it wasn't that much money, so we turned it down? What? Hardee's is Carl's Jr., right? It's just called Hardee's in different states.

I think so. Yeah, it was some fast food. thing that we were going to do a live and it was when they made an impossible burger or something like that but it was not enough money. Carl's Jr. did make a Beyond Burger, I wonder if that was it. Were you going to do a live performance at a Carl's

Jr. at a Hardee's? I don't remember. It didn't pan out far enough to like get into the planning phases. Damn. That would have been sick. Okay. Dive will do anything. Yeah, they're line. Straight up. Hit us up. Slide in our DMs. Slide in our DMs. All right. Number 15, you guys, what is the best live show you've ever seen? Red Man and Method.

Maine for sure. Yeah, in Florida. Oh, yeah. I was there. That was sick. We did a show with them in Miami. So, yeah, three points festival. And oh my God, I was side stage four. I've never seen somebody perform that well ever in my life. Yeah, it was crazy. Do you know Andrew Bailey, since I feel like you're a fan, maybe all our fans. I was at one of the last ever full woo-tang shows before Old Dirty died on stage.

Yeah, rock the bells. It was, I don't remember where it was in the Inland Empire or something. I must have been like 21 or something. Yeah. So sick. It wasn't particularly like an amazing show per se as you would imagine eight rappers on stage being, but it was like just so cool to be there

especially knowing that like later there would never be another full Woteng show. Okay. Is that all everyone's answer? I mean the Cornelius show that we saw in where was that? In Thailand.

Thailand. That's cool. That was crazy. Someone else said a Cornelius on here as an answer to that but I can't remember who it was. Oh, I think it might have been justice. Cool. Yeah.

Just literally just last week. Cornelius. Yes, literally. It's a rough hang if you don't like French accents, but they were lovely and I really enjoyed them. Great thuns if you were. One of the horniest accents. Is it?

I find it to be absolute cotton pussy. Like nothing is more... You never heard the term cotton pussy? No. I think you could... I mean, I think it's like pretty self-explanatory. Yeah, I understand. I'm actually having a hard time understanding that one.

Like cotton mouth. Absorbent and powerful. okay yeah it's the opposite of being wet do I have to explain this come on guys worried about your relationship

to sex couldn't think of horny songs don't entertain what I'm busy means Colin's so uncomfortable he's like is this interview over you have a favorite

live show let's get through the rest of these questions I mean when we opened up for MBV that was like crazy that was

huge I felt like especially in the last song you made me realize or whatever they do this like long, I mean, it's like a much talked about thing now, but they do this like long noise jam and it just like hypnotizes the crowd. And it really did hypnotize me.

I was like, I like disassociated. I don't know. But then also I have like a, okay, I have two. One was a band I don't even really listen to that much, especially not now, but we played Pickathon Festival and I was on mushrooms. I watched Cloud Nothings. Cole was watching too from Side Stage. And it was like one of the most impressive like pummeling shows I've ever seen.

They were so locked in. And the drummer is like a like a lizard man or something. He was like playing so fast and hard. That was really cool. And then, but I think the biggest one is probably I saw a broadcast play. It's a good man. The Bottom Lounge in Chicago. And that was like a really psychedelic crazy show.

really moved me. That's probably my biggest one. All fantastic answers. All really good answers. Number 16. When in your life were you the most fucked up wasted hammered trash? Who do you guys think has the best story for this particular question? I think Colin's Burghain story is pretty good.

Okay, Colin. Let's hear it. That one's kind of sad, but... Almost every answer to this question ends up being sad or dark. Yeah, I got... I went to Bergheim. Once when I was like 22, I was on like a press tour for my old band. I was alone, I was hanging out with these Australian friends.

And like I'm 99% positive that I got roofied at this like pre-hang. And then like it kicked in in Burghine within like five minutes of being there. Because I remember walking up to the iconic gate. And they let me in. So I must have been like, you know, cognizant. And I walked in and remember being like, wow, it looks like the Matrix. And then five minutes later, I don't remember anything. And then I woke up, like, outside, the sun was coming up, getting led into an ambulance by, like, a French man.

I was so, I felt so fucked up. And I was like, they were asking me where I lived. And I knew how to say one thing, which was the address of the place. And they just dropped me off where I was staying. And I rang the buzzer. and they were like, Colin, they called me a dirty dog, true Australians, because they thought I had gone home with someone. And then I walked up to the stairs and they opened the door

and all of their faces were so scared because I went to the bathroom. I was completely covered in blood and my nose was broken, just completely destroyed. I either got in a fight with someone or fell or something like that, and it was like... This is a really dark story. Yeah, this is bad.

It's like, it's like funny, but I also like more I think about it and the older I get, I'm like, man, I almost like die. Is it's funny? Well, it's just like, you know, it's such a funny like, you know, Berghine experience story because that place is just like, you know, cursed. Being a man is so awesome because you can get roofied at Berguine and Taylor's story. I know. I'm sorry. I'd be like, isn't that funny?

And any woman would be like, I'll, I will never recover from this. Like, no. I'll never know what happened, and this is the worst story of my life. I also think that it's like some sort of coping mechanism, me trying to laugh about it because it was really scary. And then I had to get on a plane ride two hours later. I do have one other one, though, that's really funny. In Chicago, I was a freshman in college,

and I used to make really big, crazy costumes for Halloween, and I went as Blinky the Red Ghosts from Pac-Man, and I built it, so I held it above me, and it was like, you know, we were going to this party, and I was tasked with holding the bottle of alcohol because I could conceal it on the train. And so the train ride to the party, I was just, like, drinking from the bottle, but I couldn't see it. And so, like, we got to the party, like, 45 minutes later, and I had drank, like, a full bottle of Captain Morgan's rum. And then I was so fucked up, and my friends found me, like, wandering in the middle of the streets, in my blinky red ghost Pac-Man completely blacked out,

like almost getting hit by a car. A car would have seen you, I think, cross the road. Yeah, that luckily, I think the cars were stopping, but I was fully gone. Which is, I think me telling my stories is funny because I just, like, really don't, I rarely, rarely get fucked up. I have like five stories.

But when you do it, it's with, you do it with flair. Yeah, I do it with some aplomb. Okay, number 17 and 18. what do you love the most about being famous and what do you hate the most about being famous? Tandem question. Don't say you're not famous. Just answer it based on whatever level of fame that you have. Cole, you answer this one. No offense to everyone else, but perhaps he is the most recognizable dive. When the band was like in our, you know, pitchfork prime or whatever, it had long hair. And big clothes. Now I've short hair. Don't forget your big clothes.

People, people like don't recognize me. Like even at our own shows, it's kind of tight. I don't know. You said don't say we're not famous, but I don't think I have any being famous stories. Sorry. Yeah, but at the same time, Cole, you have moved into your new house and the coffee spot

and the place where you buy cigarettes down the street are both, there's like dive fans working there. And you got clock at both of them. Oh, yeah, that's true. Like, I was walking with my one-year-old and my wife and I walk in the liquor store and the dude daps me up and is like, what's up, man? And then I walk in the coffee shop and same thing.

And Danny's like, we just moved here like a week ago. But I had been to both of those places. And yeah, this dude Mondo who works at the liquor store. And then this dude, I forget his name is like Ross or something at the coffee shop. Yeah, they're both fans. Makes sense. Dive has a high concentration of fans in the eastern Los Angeles, Pasadena area. Yeah.

So what are the odds? are high. True. Okay. Number 19 is the wild card. The wild card question is, you love being in dive. Dive is the best. However, what band living or dead could come to you right now and say,

leave Dive and join my band? And you would be like, absolutely no problem. Wouldn't even think about it twice. Raging against the machines. Thank you. Andrew Bailey with a succinct and quick answer and one I do not agree with, but I respect your opinions. I feel like any band that said you can be the bass player.

I would be like, hell yeah. I think a lot of bands would say that to you, like literally right now. Base is so fun. You control everything. It's so such a cool. It's so like low. Right, cool. That's a disappointing answer, but okay. Ben? Similar to Coles. I want to be like the front man of like a hardcore metal band. Me too. I also really want to be the front man woman, front woman of a hardcore band. That's like my dream.

Yeah. It's like the funnest job you could have probably. Totally. Okay. What about you, Colin? I don't even know. This is so stupid. really do. You want to be an earthwind? Yeah. No, I don't know. I feel like, I mean, I really do love being in dive.

So it's really hard to think of, like, I get, I get something specific out of playing in this band, especially live. And I don't think that many other bands would give that to me the same, like, feeling. But maybe. What if like 1995, my bloody Valentine is like, come be in my bloody Valentine, you wouldn't be like, okay, bye guys. I don't know. I feel like that would be cool. but like I think actually we were talking to George and Carrie from Def Heaven the other night

and I and they were telling they were telling us about the tour they did with Knock Loose and how insane those shows were and I think it would actually be really fun to be in like a completely buck wild hardcore band playing to like that's the people and they're all swirling around like. Right, a bit of a different energy. Yeah, or just like an elevated energy.

I think I would consider that if the money was right. I'm not sure it's a lucrative. Maybe now. Maybe you're joined turnstile. Okay, number 20. When was the last time you cried? Who cried recently?

Who has a good crying story? Yesterday. That's right. He's a cancer. Never forget, babe. What did you cry about yesterday? They didn't have your vape flavor at the 7-11. No, we're just, you know, having a serious talk with my girlfriend.

And we, like, kind of realized something about our relationship that was, like, pretty, you know, it wasn't like a bad thing. It was just like, oh, damn. And then we just like started crying about it. Wow. It's a really beautiful. It's a beautiful and emotional answer. I cried while watching Anatomy of a fall on the plane. Yeah, I did too. You watched it together? No, separately, but we cried at the same tears. The plane just makes you cry like extra at movies. Like I cry, you know, I don't think I've ever cried harder. This is a scientific phenomenon. I've cried at every film. Every film I've ever watched on a plane.

It doesn't matter what it is. I cried in shape of water and I was like, this movie sucks. Same. That movie is kind of tear fuel in general though. But Romeo and Juliet on the airplane is the hardest I've ever cried about anything in my life. That was insane.

I think for me it's Goodwill hunting because I do tend to always watch that on a plane. And then I'm like, oh, not his fault. Okay. Number 21, what is your relationship with the Dave Matthews band? We've touched on this, but if anyone has anything more specific to add. I've watched Dave play twice. That sounds fun. It is super fun.

Well, no. Because we like brought a bunch of weed, but we were like really young. I think I was 16 or something. And the security was like patting people down. But that was really just for weapons. But we were young and we're like, oh, no, they're going to find the weed. so we ran back to the car and put the weed back. And then we really regretted not having any weed when we were in there.

So I didn't enjoy it that much. In the second time, I don't really remember. Okay. Next question. What song would you like to hear just before you die? Something cheesy, like Adagio for strings or like Mozart's Requiem or something. Okay. Something on the nose.

Yeah. Andrew Bailey wants to hear Rage Against the Machine. He wants to hear killing in the name of right before he. I was talking about this Harold Bud record Pavilion of Dreams that there's a song called Bismila Rammani or something like that and it like it literally sounds like being dead to me

and it's like but in a very comforting way like in a way that it would like usher me in gently as I see the light and go towards it you know okay gorgeous I would say Requiem Mass okay again on the nose and I like it why not.

Cole, what about you? Like, I don't know. I don't care. Just surprise me. I have like a bit, I have a bit with my friend, me and my friend Lucas have this bit where we, like, if we stumble across like a song that is particularly like offensive to our sensibilities, I'll send it to him and I'll say, play this at my funeral.

And, like, imagining that actually happening is like really funny to me. I actually changed my answer. I would want to have someone click the I'm feeling lucky button on Netflix and just be carried out by the most random-ass episode of TV that they have. Okay. Gorge. And number 23, what do you guys think about me? You do your job so well.

We're just like chilling and chatting. This is the longest interview you've ever done by far. I'm just like vibing. Yeah, every time I hang out with you, I'm impressed by how nice you are. Thank you. You thought I would be a bigger bitch, is what you're saying. And then you're like, actually, I mean, I wouldn't use that word.

I just like, I don't know. It's rare to meet somebody who's like nice and asks about you and how like your family's doing and stuff. And you're good at that. So I appreciate it. That's cool. I think we met at Bethany's Dad's Beach Boys Cover Band show. At the park. What a gorgeous treat that was.

So I always think about that. Okay. Yeah. Sorry about that. I have a poor memory of people, honestly. Unless you were at Colby's grandma's house in 2012, baby. It's rough for me. I also think your hot takes about bands are really unpredictable and I enjoy it.

Or you'll just like matter-of-factly say that like rage against the machine is bad or something. And I'm just like, wow. I didn't say they were bad. I just simply, it's not whatever. It's cool that you have hot takes, but because of what you do, I trust that there's actual evidence that you have. There's a reason that you say it. It's not like you're just a hater or something. No, I'm actually a lover. Yeah, you've done like a deep dive and it's cool. A lot of music fans or commentators are like not really like that.

They just talk shit to talk shit. You guys are so nice to me. Thank you. I've deeply enjoyed this. It was really fun for me. talking for two hours is absolutely nothing to this bitch, as you might know, as my other podcast, this is amateur hour as far as I'm concerned for talking. I do have to say that it's extremely funny to ask a group of people, like, what do you like about me? And then after everyone says something, you're like, oh, my God, you guys are so nice. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

I set you up. But like I said, not everybody, I mean, I don't want people to feel pressured to say something nice. I feel that they should be honest. I'm waiting for the day. Someone's like, actually, I find you really annoying. Evan Dando. Well, he didn't say that exactly, but yes, Evan Dando did come in kind of hot with his answer of. Anyways, we've reached the end, you guys, we did it.

Number 24, what do you guys want to plug? We want to plug our first album, Ocean, from 2012. No. I want to plug my wife's music, Katrina Irton. That's cute. Listen to it on Spotify. And since they won't do it, I'll tell you, listen to the new dive album when it comes out.

It is called Frog in Boiling Water. It's out May 24th. It's a Gemini. In the meantime, you can listen to the three singles that are out now, all very good. Thank you, Dive, for coming on 24-question party people. Thank you very much. Thank you.

A pleasure. Thanks for listening to 24-question party people, and thanks to my guests, Dive. Dive's new record, Frog in Boiling Water, is out everywhere May 24th. You can visit Dive.net for tour info and more. This episode was produced by Justin Miller Gordon and Chris Sutton with help from Justin Sales. Our gorgeous theme song was composed by Heather Fortune. Special thanks to Steph Zolan, Sean Fennessey, Rob Harvilla, and the TV show The Rookie.

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