Bandsplain - 24 Question Party People: Gavin Rossdale of Bush

Episode Date: November 7, 2023

As the frontman of the band Bush, Gavin Rossdale has written a ton of guitar-rock bangers and captured the hearts and minds of a generation of fans who, like Yasi, probably don't know what the song "Swallowed" is about. This week, he’s on '24 Question Party People' to talk about Bush’s newest release, 'Loaded: The Greatest Hits 1994-2023'; his infrared sauna and cold-plunge practice; why he finds actors so inspiring; and his passion for grilling meat. Host: Yasi SalekGuest: Gavin RossdaleProducer: Jesse Miller-GordonAssociate Producer: Chris SuttonAdditional Production Supervision: Justin SaylesTheme Song: Hether Fortune Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hi, I'm Erica Ramirez, founder of Ili, and host of What About Your Friends, a podcast dedicated to the many lives of friendship and how it's portrayed in pop culture. Every Wednesday on the ringer dish feed, I talk to my best friend Stephen Othello and your favorites from within the ringer and beyond about friendships on TV and movies, pop culture and our real lives. So join me every Wednesday on the ringer dish feed where we try to answer the question TLCS back in the day, what about your friends? 24 question party people.

Hello and welcome to 24 question party people. I am your host, Yossi Salak. This is a show where I invite an interesting person on for a little talk. I ask the same 23 questions every time, more or less, plus one wildcard. I guess it's allowed to skip one question. Sometimes the questions change a little. Just like the time, babe. That's right, twice a year.

Sorry to be controversial here on my little intro monologue, but you know what? I love the fallback time change. Okay, I love it. Fucking sue me. First of all, I wake up really early, so it's nice to not have to, like, you know, walk around in the pitch black dark for an hour in the morning. That pleases me. Because, you know, that's depressing.

Secondly, the earlier it gets dark, the earlier I can quit working and relegate myself to the couch with a hot steaming bowl of homemade soup and my little stories. I'm sorry for the rest of you that are so tethered to capitalism or alcoholism or whatever it is that makes you want to have light later. Just fucking surrender. Surrender to the darkness, babe. It's beautiful. What else is going on? I guess because of this time change and just the general gist of the season, my mind has really wandered into the slowness of winters, you know what I mean? even though it is 80 degrees in Los Angeles and I think not technically the season of winter yet

like I like man I just like I want to make a 12 hour broth and I want chickens in my yard so I can go get fresh eggs to make a quiche and I'd also like a robust herb garden so I can use those herbs in both the broth and the keesh And you know what? I'd really like to learn how to knit finally. Do I know where used light bulbs go? No, I don't and I'm never going to learn. But I would like to learn how to knit. Also, I want to go on like two hour long walks with like no music, just my beautiful thoughts. But also do them at a very quick pace. So they count as my zone two cardio. Real ones, no. Like I both want to retreat from the world, but I also still want to have access to new episodes of Bosch legacy. And also my lobotomy tic talks that really make my life worth living. You know what I'm talking about the one where like the girls like, what I eat in a day?

And it's just like, you know, clink, clink, ice, macho latte, chop, chop, red onion. Oh, that's so interesting. You use yogurt instead of mayonnaise and your tuna salad. Fascinating. Chop, chop, kale, put it in the pan. And it's always something sweet at the end. Like I could watch those for just hours, hours. It's like having your frontal lobe removed temporarily.

And also, you know what? While we're at it, I'd also like a cold plunge in case any, if we're just listening things that I would like, I would like a cold plunge, just in case any potential sponsors are listening. I think that's time for a new type of health influencer, okay? Like, it's time for a mentally old guitar rock-obsessed 41-year-old woman to be a health influencer.

Have your people call my people. And also athletic greens people. Please call my people. I love you, Athletic Crens. Speaking of anti-aging, which was the subtext there, I know this is an audio-only podcast, but I have to tell you that my guest and fellow Cold Punge aficionado, Gavin Rostale, just truly looks incredible. He just does. Also, I really wish I could go back in time and visit my 12-year-old self while she was standing in line at the Tower Records in Torrance, California, waiting to buy tickets to the Bush show, that one day I would have a slightly awkward conversation with the man who wrote, one of my top 10 crying alone in my

room songs. You already know, glycerin, don't let the days go by. But you know what? I think maybe deep down below her acne and her frizzy hair, that 12-year-old Yasu she knew in her heart. that this would one day happen. Anyway, here's my talk with Gavin Rostale. Gavin Rostell, welcome to the show.

What a treat. What a delight for me. Thank you so much. You're looking very youthful, I must say. Thank you. I'm taken aback. Really gorgeous skin. What are we doing? What's the skincare routine?

Are we getting facials? Do we use beautiful products? No. You know what I do love? I'm in love with now is the stupid infrared sauna. I just got one, Gavin Rostale. So good.

Go on. So I love to get a bit of a sweat doing something. You know, like, you know, whatever. Sure, me looking at TikTok. I don't know what you're doing there, but. So I think that is like,

so I'm sweating every day. That's good. So I think that's a lot of it. Living here as well, a little bit of, a little bit of sunlight. Sure. And irreverent living. Just a who cares attitude.

joie de vivre that you have that really just blooms in your skin. Yeah, I don't know. Thank you so much. It's a very, how nice start with it comes from that. It's true. Yeah, it's nefarious. It's how I make you feel safe and comfortable. And then we're going to, like, extract information.

Just kidding. I'm really happy you brought up the infrared sauna. Did you know that you could put it infrared sauna on a credit card? I did because I learned that impulsively a couple of weeks ago when I did that. I just one day was like sad and I was like, how but if I get on that? Someone worked at like some sound wave crazy thing. I was on tour and like in. but, you know, I heard this guy wheeled in this crazy unit.

And it's like a sandwich. And like, he just took care of a injury and really had a nagging injury that I'd had. You know, when you kind of massage your leg and a lump goes the other side, like, what is that in my leg? It's like a runaway piece of muscle. I don't know what was going on. That has not happened to me.

Anyhow, anyway, the guy, he had a machine. He totally zapped it. I was like, wow, the machine's rad. And I was like, I said, oh, my God. I had this pain for a while. Like, if I had that my house, I would just wouldn't leave. I was just be zapping myself all day long

to make sure I was like tip-top of condition. So when I came out, I looked one up, see if I could find someone who has that type of machine in California. But I did notice along the way that each machine was a $120,000. So then I went, I was on my phone.

I was on Amazon. I said, I'll have dinner with someone with my kids. And I was like, you can buy something about $20,000 on my money. phone within like minutes. Just like a click. I order. Are you ready to make an order?

Not yet. I'm just spending $120 grand. So I thought how much. So then I put it in the multiple out of 10. I thought, how amazing that I could spend $1.2 million by just pressing that button. And I did it on my PayPal to get up to 1.2. You bought 10 of them.

Well, yeah, yeah. I didn't press the button, but I was going to, I was showing you. I was like, look, this is so wild, right? I can totally spend $1.2 million. And before we've ordered a taco, we can't even order the taco. And we can spend one minute. I was like, you know, I'm playing that game, you know, but I canceled, but you got to be careful. You can buy a lot on your fucking.

The moral of the story is watch out. Your phone is unlimited. That's true. I should have been more careful, but now I own a sauna. And that's fine. It was worth every penny that I will one day pay off. Well, I'm glad that we're both on the infrared sauna train and taking good care of our. health. I'm very excited to have you here. I'm a big Bush fan. I know that you have the greatest

hits album coming out November 10th. It's called Loaded. That's why you're here to do it. You didn't just come to talk to me for fun. Um, am I excited? Well, that's not a really good question. But like, what, I guess the question is more like, you know, 94 to 2023, that's quite a lot of years. what made you feel like this was the time to put out the greatest hits album? It just was another way of just keeping the... I work on new music now, but I think that from my management point of view, they've been really excited about the last few years and the records,

and they've asked us to be more consistent. Like I'm lazy, you know, lazy bones, Jones. So it's like, now it's times the greatest hits, and I was just like, God damn, we just came off of tour, right? Right. Until we just finished the summer. They were like, hey, by the way, don't worry. You're kind of having the summer to yourself.

So we're just playing a few weekends, you know. Cut to every weekend and, you know, delays and planes. Well, you're out for two shows. You might say out for like three weeks. It's like, really like, I was like, what's happening? But I'm so ambitious still that I love it so much that I just do it, even if I sort of think it's too much, you know. I complain a lot because I,

kids, so I have to keep coming home for them. So if I didn't come home for my kids, they just would, I think, having on the road a lot. So it's always a bit of a balancing act. But the thing is I love it, you know, I like, I guess I like talking about myself and the band. I hear you. I'm a piece of that.

No, I just, it's just, it's weird because having, they had the idea we've been told that we should do it now. On reflection, by doing the interviews, it's kind of pretty fun. And I guess what it is, I'm just so. I like my job so much and I keep moving forward and I keep doing new things because I don't want to have to stop

and somehow I always thought this great sis was a bit like, well... Yeah, it's over, bitch. Wrap it up. Yeah. You're retired out to the pasture. Yeah. So I just didn't, I didn't like that.

So is this your final tour, you know? Right. I mean, I don't know how those guys, like, I don't know if bring, I want to bring it out of 80, but I love the Rolling Stones for doing that because it's just wild. They're still the biggest band of the world

because they play in stadiums. They bring out a record. It's still the biggest news. They're fucking 80 years old and still bigger than everyone. It's really funny. I mean, fair place, that means. That's great.

I have another podcast called Bandsplain where we explain bands. And what we tend to notice is, and not always, but there is like a point of diminishing returns at some point. But I also always make the argument that like, who cares? Like, if you're an artist, you make art your whole life. It doesn't, it's maybe not going to hit the same way as it did when you were 27 or 32, but it's going to be more mature and different and interesting and reflective of

a different part of someone's life. And like, there's no reason to stop just because you're not young. You nailed it there because what it is, it's like, that's all it is, is a snapshot of someone's life wherever the author is, you know? That's what's incredible about it. I am of the school, the Benjamin Button School of Music. And a face, apparently. The infrared sauna is fucking working. I just really feel great about the songs I'm doing and the songs I'm writing.

And I know they're still super vital. And like, totally accept. There's no way I could be remotely as successful as I was. So I don't have any illusions of delusions of delusions. of grandeur about that. That's reasonable, but that's not to mean that isn't that ironic that I'm

getting better even if you know, I just have my specialist audience more than like the culture that's sort of, you know, massive young bands people do something. You know, you can't, it'd be kind of gross. When bands get at some point

they have to turn their own island, you know, if you want to go to that dialing. There was happening there. Them sort of us justly with brand, brand new bands and that just feels weird. So we have, I mean, that's established working

musician with infrared skin mode. You won the lottery, babe, I'm telling you. I mean, I'm sure you know it, but if I have your band hit in the 90s, bye. That's it. The best time possible. We still had a gorgeous monoculture. You could still sell millions of records. you can be on the cover of magazines.

Those ships have sailed. They are off in the horizon, babe. They're gone. I miss it. I miss it every day. What was fun about it, right? People, I don't like that thing of, oh, it was better there. And I think that the incredible was happening now.

The madness of being in my studio and its potentials and the way things sound. It's just magical. It's just like a most magical time. Technology is unbelievable. what I do miss is that centralized culture that was a bit more of interesting and that's what I miss

when magazines mattered and you know what people said mattered and if you know so and so from the hairy frogs says something mean about you was like oh you know guns at dawn

lyrics at dawn you know like interviews it just was like really pathetic but yet it was sort of you know, you have to be accountable within the culture, you know, and you couldn't help play the game a little bit, be upset by someone who said this or something that was a shilly review of my record.

Fuck, fucking, so good. So good. That's the best. Now you just have to go on 200 podcasts, and I apologize, but... I don't mind this podcast thing. It's kind of fun. You know what it is? It's like, literally doing interviews with people, obviously some journalists, but it's literally what we would do with the

journalists and they would cull and edit what they thought everyone else should hear. Whereas with this, people just say they can be bothered to tune in and listen to being groaning. And I like that. That's cool. It's much more interesting. I think it's more candid and people sort of live or die by the words that you come out, your mouth, right?

Sure. Well, let's get started with the actual questions. I don't know if they've told you about what this podcast is or they just gave you a time and you showed up. Either way, it's fine, but that's here like that one, and I have 10 more after this. Well, this podcast is called 24 question party people. Why? Because I ask you 24 questions.

And let's just begin with number one. You can skip one if you want. You don't have to, but you have the option to skip, but only one. Option to do that be no fun. Exactly. I mean, be brave. Why skip that question? Okay.

Number one, Gavin Rostale, what is your sign astrologically? Scorpio. That's right. I could have, even if I hadn't Googled that, I would have 100% known that you were a Scorpio. You are absolutely exuding the most Scorpio energy of any person I've probably ever

encountered. I don't know, are you an astrology early? Do we check the horoscopes? A lot of people talk to about astrology, and I've like apparently four houses. Four houses, Scorpio houses. It's extremely Scorpio.

Very Scorpio. So it's just I don't know that much about it. I just like it because my favorite thing about it is how everyone thinks their signs the best. That's my favorite thing about horoscopes. Yeah. People like their own signs the most. Reflective of human nature.

Yeah. Of course. You know, just find themselves definitely the most interesting sign. It's fucking classic. And I like it. And anything that goes wrong, it's like, you know, your eclipse, the lunar is, you know, your moon is really fucking with your something.

rather. So I like all those random explanations that people pour over. Let us have this. Let us have this, Gavin. Albert Camus and Sylvia Plath were both Scorpios, which is pretty cool. I think Scorpio is one of the best signs, honestly.

Me personally, I'm a tourist, Torres and Scorpios are iconic best friends, but I'll tell you about a little bit about Scorpio. You can tell me if you relate. So people think they're very fiery and actually think they're a fire sign, but in reality, they're deeply. emotional and sensitive, intensely private, actually to the point of being kind of secretive.

However, they naturally draw attention to themselves. It's like a very like, look at me. No, please don't look at me. No, but look at me. Are you looking at me? Don't look at me. And then it's also a very love me. Please love me.

No, leave me alone. But do you still love me? Don't leave me alone. Does any of this feel resonant to you? Very true. Also known as the most sexual sign and they're the most related to the shadow side of things, like the depths of the subconscious. well I do

okay I mean it sounds like a good sign to be if you got to be one so far so good well they can also be very mistrustful and suspicious oh weird

I wrote this lyric just now about the violence between us it's the violence that I can trust so it was interesting lyric I think it's a violence I can trust that's very Scorpio yeah yeah

yeah um anyway weird there you go yeah well that's classic Scorpia they are mistrustful until they do trust you

and then they'll accept whatever. And violence is within that sort of dark, underbelly, shadow side of things. Okay, Gavin Rostell, one of the most scuba. Also, it was your birthday two days ago. Happy birthday to you. Belated. Number two, Gavin Rostale, what did you eat today? Oh, my gosh.

It was a weird one because I worked out to the infrared. It's the fair to the ice bath. Look at you, cold plunging and everything. I'm loving it. I'm an idiot. because I've got up to four minutes. I'm like, well, does anyone know why I'm doing this?

Can anyone tell me? Yes, I can tell you. It's harmesis, babe. So you're shocking your system. I mean, I can't experience. I mean, that's the way I'm doing it for, but is it really working? Many, according to my parisocial best friend,

Andrew Huberman, and Dr. Andrew Huberman and his podcast, yeah, there's many, many peer-reviewed scientific studies that prove that it actually does do what it says it's supposed to do. I'm enjoying it. I feel great. That's probably my maximums of 42 degrees. I don't like that.

And I was like, the first was 15 seconds, you know, the first day. I was like, are you out of your mind? I can't stay in this. But anyhow, so I did an eight minute boiled two, I took two eggs, boiled it for eight minutes out of the fridge. They're called eight minutes. And that gives me a very soft, just runny, two eggs. And I had the most amazing. a Thai meal last night

and I kept over some like, you know, that lard that chicken lard and I just sprinkled that on the eggs and I thought well that's pretty healthy and that's pretty like kind of, you know, I had to be to be in the studio this morning. It was fantastic. You had a high protein breakfast. So that's what I had.

It was really good. It's a little diabolical to put the chicken atop its eggs. like if you really think about do you know what I mean like what you were doing it's like it's a little horrendous if you just let yourself think about it

but if you don't like yourself think about it it's just a beautiful high protein meal that gave you the energy to get to the studio it's not a combo you think of often it's a bit mean it's dark but I'm glad that you're getting enough protein and going back to the Scorpio exactly you were like what I did

was I took that bitch's mom slapped it right on top of the unborn children and I ate that for Brecky Brecky. Okay, well, I'm loving your approach to health and wellness. Often I'll berate people on here if it doesn't meet my standards, because I really feel like everyone could be healthier and take better care of themselves, but you seem to really, you're ahead of the game, sir.

Well, you know, balance, so not in all things. Do you have a sweet tooth? I do have a sweet tooth that's incredibly perceptive of you. And I try and really control it, and I had a really, good couple of days and now I'm back on like holding off the sugar. Although I will tell you that for like 16 years I followed this Korean eight constitution diet where they read your meridian lines. This is Dr. Kwan in Korea. Don't ask how I got there, but I got there. And they recommend to me that I would only should eat beef and pork and sugar. No vegetables, no fish, no salads, no seafood.

food and I did it for like 16 years. Did you feel good? Felt really good. But I don't believe, I still don't think the sugars, my body really loves sugar, but I think it's not, I can't believe it has any benefits. So I try and,

it's everywhere, right, the whole time. But I love, I'm a super sweet tooth. So I just like, just happy, I'm just like a pig every now and again. And then I thought, and it's like, just take it easy. But I feel good and like, you know, fit and strong. So

I did have a couple of great cookies. My kids got me these box and got after dinner like a you know there's like fancy pink box and I was like now I'm all good and my son's 17 so dad it's your birthday like you. Yeah it's your birthday they brought you birthday cookies for their dad and you need

to eat them. You know what I find is that I'm fine as long as I had nothing if I have no sugar. I have fruit or have nice fruit you know just doing that. I go on these grapes are just as good as chocolate. They're not. But they are really good. But I like those Sharon fruit or like papaya,

those things, you know, figs. They're really good. Yeah. But nothing beats shoving English chocolate in your mouth, the point where you have to work hard to lubricate it. But once you've lubricated that galaxy starts to really, you have to hold the sides. What's that purple, violet, crunchy, the one am I talking?

Do you know what? It's the English chocolate. There's Turkish delight. Maybe it's not purple. Maybe it just has violet in the name, so then in my head it's purple. Oh, right, right. The violet crumble one. Yeah, that's right.

That one's really good. I like that. I don't know why the chocolate's better in England. I don't know why. I find the crisps the best, to use the parlance of your country. I do find that they have superior crisp flavors than here. Yeah, they got it down. That's because we've got the pub culture, which, by the way, I sorely miss,

because I was in London last week. And it is annoying here. Like, the cinema I really missed, like in London, it just makes me laugh. Every corner, every other corner is a pub.

At 11 a. m. on a Tuesday, you'll just be strolling past and and be like, these people will just be outside having beers. It's Tuesday and it's 11 a... It's not even lunchtime,

yeah. It's part of the culture. Like, I look like I'm an alcoholic here. I mean, you know, we have food, there's a bit of fuel with it

or like to go for dinner. Like, I can't do the iced tea. at dinner. I can do ice tea at breakfast. Sure. I can't do it at lunch. It just feels like at lunch you're having a beer. You didn't respect the chef.

If I go to a restaurant, if I'd bother to go to a restaurant. It seems weird. You're English. What can you do? Can't shake it. It's like anyone English would do that. Every lunch is like bottles of wine or glasses of wine. A glass. I'm not like a sitting there all day and five bowls late. I mean, I have a glass of wine with some made some great food.

I have a lot of fun. I'm a lot of fun. I'm a huge anglophile, so I kind of support most of what they do culturally. Asbo behavior. I love it. I don't care with it. I love the accent.

I love the bizarre television programs, the crisp flavors, all of the cultural imports. Things like rose chicken, yeah, Paddington, my son was Paddington. Rose chicken chip crisps. That one is so good.

I brought back like four bags when I went last time. It's just science. They just like put chemicals and they go up a little meal. Yeah, like they're not known for their cuisine per se. Like, no offense, but like the crisp they really have on lock. Okay. Gavin Rossville.

Number three, did you listen to music today? And if so, what was it? I listened to the studio session I'm working on. So I worked on two songs I'm writing. I changed two verse intro. I was to two separate songs. It was bizarre overachievement before the engineer came. I had two hours from my students podcast or something.

So I had to give them stuff to do. So I had these little lists of things. And for some reason, I had to spruce up two songs that I had and do different things. And so there was only time to listen to those two songs. So that's where I trust the violence came in. You like that word violence and lyrics. I do. Yeah.

There's no sex and violence. I mean, because I was scared of it, you know. Like I grew up in quite a violent neighborhood. So it was just like you get punched in the face for like looking the wrong way of people. It's just volatile. It's just like young guys and kids. I'm playing football soccer. So I still had a pass.

I've actually played for a really tough youth club. They're called the Abbey Road, and they were like, really like, they're very into being strong and proud. Hooligans. Hooligans. So I like that word, violence, you know, because it's terrible violence. I see people like smacked around in pubs, you know, pubs on Kilburn Irode.

The only place you could go is Billy Mulligans, which is an IRA pub. The Cock Tavern, where he plays, like, a place a space a bit. It'd be like two drunk women fighting at the bar. They'd smack into the old boy, can be or any guineas. Does I mean no one had any teeth? This is fucking brilliant.

Sounds awesome. Wait, so you're not a good fighter? Oh, no, I can totally go after myself. Because I, so no, I just, I'm good at diffusion. Right. Or hit and run. But I hate it. I'm really good for hitting a run.

I just bop someone in the head and just run. Yeah. You can't do it anymore. I can't, you couldn't fight anyone. I mean, I can fight anyone if they attacked anyone with me. But nowadays, 2023, you can't, you just get sued.

Well, yeah, you're famous. I think your public system would be mad at you. You know, on my Instagram, and like, there's guys outside the club, and he's talking, and the bounce, there's big bounces to, like, twat, white kids, like, oh, just shut your mouth.

The guy just goes, just knocks him out. I was like, it's like, can you do that in 2020? three and not get out an assault charge. You can't pay it and then you get to jail for like three years. Either way, it's not good look. Don't you feel like if people did more of that like good, clean brawling, we'd have maybe less problems and they could just stop sitting on the fucking internet

and saying cruel things to each other like cowards. Like, okay, just go get into a little tussle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just leave anonymity behind. Yeah. have like bouts of people within beefs. But the thing is that you'd see who's behind those beefs. So it might be well-suited physically.

That's what I'm saying. These people are telling us saying, my voice is annoying on the internet. Come catch me outside, bitch. I'm just going to. I mean, I will. I will fight you, but I don't want to. Number four, Gavin Rostow.

What is the first song that made a meaningful impact on you as a child? Well, there was a guy, Colin, Scott and he was the first person I met he made a record of my aunt knew him and so his name was Colin Scott but then he came out and he had an album, a whole vinyl thing

and that made a real impression on me and someone who a real person I met who made a record and she introduced me to Bowie and the Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars and that record

was just like because we're, you know, everyone else was listening to soul music and painting their cars, they're customising their cars. So it's all soul music, R&B and soul. Because it's like the 70s. Yeah, the 80s.

When you were a child, 80s. Yeah. And so having Bowie was like this secret garden that just definitely was, no one would tolerate that. He was two out there. So having all the

guys that, so we're doing all the kind of, the Ford Cortina's, the remakes and doing all that, and then dancing to Patrice Russian at the youth club. This music, Bowie was like this whole other world that kind of was a gateway

to, because at the top of my road where I lived, very, this is very gladwellian, the top of my road where I lived, it was a record store. So I could go there and every week I'd get a new record that was from when punk began mid-7, late 77, 78

when punk began I was like 12 years old and so it was a perfect age of all the single going there and they teach me stuff and it'd be like just you know Bowie and Dawes and Neil Young and television and Joe Mitchell so that was that all

that was at the top of my street, which gave me a really wide bass of music, you know? So that was your musical education popping up to the record store and just looking about things. It was called Vanseys. Right at top of my closest thing.

Now it's a weed store. Sure. It's more popular now, I think, than record physical copies of recorded music. I think weed sort of supplanted that in the economy. Did you look at David Bowie and be like, oh, I want to do that? Were you just like, oh, this is just fucking cool? I've never seen anything like it.

I never thought I could possibly think about it. Because you didn't play an instrument. You played soccer, football. Play football. Yeah, I played football. That was like a street kid hanging out with my friends. But I liked, I loved that secret world, you know, and then discovering Lou Reed.

And then, you know, I was trying to be in a band at school, but we couldn't really come up with a name. Oh, so Midnight did a night. come to you till later. A bolt out of the blue. I can bolt out of a chocolate box. Or the Little Dukes. What do you think your life would have been like if the Little Dukes had taken off

and that would have been your band name forever? Like you'd have to come on here and be like, I'm Gavin Rostale from the Little Dukes. Yeah. God smiled upon you by not letting that happen. Yeah, it's brilliant. You know, that's also funny. It's such an incredible life lesson because so many times in your life, you know, disappointment. Like, obviously, of course I'd be sad if like that band didn't work.

you know but it's horrific if it worked with that name do you mean it's like it never would have got far and we also called the band head head that was a good one then we found there's another bag called head so we just put another d on the end headd headd um but it's a pretty cool name

but um yeah so that would have been better but that band weirdly enough for example a very nice person I did it with emil sweetheart but I would not have got better at guitar. He didn't like my guitar playing. He didn't like me playing guitar. So I wouldn't have improved as a guitar player or I should have given up.

Yeah, or written all these gorgeous songs. See, this is God's plan. I have a story like this for you. A while ago, I went on a date with a man who was around 5, 6. It's relevant to the story and was maybe on a, he played in a band. We'll call it a lower to mid-tier. It was okay. The band was fine. He looked me in my eye face like this.

Eye contact. And when I asked him, oh, have you read any good books lately? He said, I do not read books without an ounce of shame. Look directly in my face, he said this. I know everything. Has he read the internet as well? I suppose so. And lived in a studio apartment and definitely had like a multicolour seascape tattoo.

Do you know what I'm talking about? Like very, yeah. Oh. And in a. bizarre twist of events, he rejected me. However, before this could happen, because we only went on like one or two dates, he did confide in me that he got his haircut because of you. He was like, oh yeah, I wanted to have the Gavin Rossdale haircut. I took the picture to my hairdresser. None of the books, none of the words. He doesn't know about books. And then I was like,

well, who knew that one day, many years later, that I would be able to come talk to Gavin Rossdale and tell him this story because life is beautiful that way. See, I dodged a bullet, and also I got to relay this to Gavin Rostow, who's haircut you copied. He sounds a character. Well, I wish him well. Yeah. It's really neither here nor there.

I always encourage my kids to read. I think books are fucking related. And I keep saying to them, listen, you're the greatest kids I know. Love you for a little, but let's face it, you don't know much. You don't know much. And I don't know much either. I'm so thirsty for information. I don't know why.

I think it's because I realized that he's going so fast, I need to know more. So I'm glad I would like to be so self-satisfied, like your friend, your ex-friend, who feels that not only are there no books to read, but clearly that he's read enough. Moreover, he's read enough in the past. Every book he's had in since before you met him was sufficient to reach the point where there's no need for any more. He was all taken, all done, all good and crazy, all taken up with crazy.

What's that a great line of Jack Nickerson? We're all stocked up on crazy here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He's all stuck up on crazy. Yeah. He's all stocked up on books. He's all stocked up on knowledge and information.

That's what I mean. I love that. I love that. That in a sense is he is probably the only enlightened person we know. Maybe that's why we didn't connect. Perhaps he rejected me because I was too stupid. Do you know Alan de Botton? Yes, of course.

Oh, my God. On Love is one of my favorite books. So I just like the idea that the compatible if he wasn't there because there was nothing in him that resonated that was broken. Because there was nothing in him at all because he was just a smooth shell of a brain. It just went, and then the wind swept off of it. You know, when people, it just didn't click because it's just, you need something familiar as an understanding of love.

There's nothing to do with love. just a familiarity of some kind of like delinquency. So that's what I mean. That's probably why you stayed in it beyond longer than he did because there was something so broken about that. You're like, oh, this feels good. This guy's a fucking morrow. I do think it was a rock bottom moment for me, but sure.

I think we've only gone up from there. Yeah, thanks, Gavin. All right, back to our questions. That was really just needed to take the opportunity. opportunity. Number five, what is the first album you bought with your own money or shoplifted with your own two hands? I guess you wouldn't have shoplifted from your beautiful local record store that took care of you. Or maybe you did. I did have a thievery problem aged 12 to 14. You do seem like it. I never stole ever again. I spent two years and two of everything,

mainly candy. The biggest one was like ending with a Christmas spree for my dad and my sister. You were just shoplifting candy? At first. Okay. Did we get up to like large electronics? Like where did we end at 14? We got to Christmas gifts from Phoenix like perfumes and aftershades and things like that. And I got a bit of a thrill out of it, but I never stole ever again from that Christmas. I never stole a pen from abyss. So nothing, it's been a long time. So today when you go into Arawon, you don't just have like a little urge to be like, I'm just going to take a little. Well, that was like, so that pump thing, so.

Manzies that would have showed me the records and I had a great collection going so it would have been something like the first record I bought on my own would be X-ray specs. Oh hell yeah. Germ-free adolescents. Yeah. They had a

most ahead of the time genetic engineering could create the perfect race, create a non-known life force that could exterminate. It's so good. I met genetic engineering in like 78. It's unbelievable. Holly Styry.

She was so cool. He's a germ free out of No bondage up yours. Yeah. Brilliant. So that was one of my favorite bands. I bought that record. Let's call that the first one.

I don't know if exactly was, but definitely was my favorite. Ian Dury, new boots and panties. That's kind of forgotten to time. It was a really important record at that time. And I was so like, yeah. People don't really talk about you in Diori.

Blockhead's really kind of forgotten. I'm amazing now. I'm a scholar. of music, sir, I literally have an entire podcast where I explain bands. This is my... You are, actually. This is my job. Oh, man. Yeah, Gavin. You don't know me.

Just kidding. I didn't honor to respect you, but it is impressive. Just because I went on two dates with a moron who got your haircut doesn't mean that I am someone to be underestimated. Okay? Sometimes we make bad choices. I'm sure you can relate. Awesome. Yeah, we've all done it.

Okay. Number six. Did anyone in your childhood ever tell you listen Gavin you're never going to make it give it up or something like that like they do in the movies and if so what did you say back to them yeah my my grandmother my Scottish side she was a bit she was a bit harsh and I said to one day I want to sing a ballad she was oh you'll never sing balance I was thought well grandma great now definitely not typical grandma comment I was like it won't be up it was like a it was like my eyes bar it was Scottish tough yeah they're tough they just want you to have a good job well just went over two

200 millions. So there's 200 millions of reasons why my nan was wrong. You should go every year to her grave and bring the printout of the current streams of glycerine with a wrap it around a bouquet of flowers and just be like, miss you, Nan. Or a boombox. You should bring a boombox and play glycery. What's not funny about now is that we are like with such, you know, armchair, academic, sort of psychotherapeutic slits. So for me, she had a really hard time with closeness and intimacy. Intimacy.

Intimacy issues. It's like you realize that just what a crappy way to live. It's like when you see animals in the wild, any great animal, they're just all over each other. And so I'm very, very physical with my boys because I think it makes them for better people, makes them for better lovers.

They can love better if they're, And so I always thought that she was like a bit Scottish like that. And so it's sort of this reflection of her. I mean, she never got the right sort of hugs when she was more than being annoyed at her. Oh, you know, dancing on her grave. Oh, sing glycerine. I didn't say dance on her grave. I just said bring an acoustic guitar and sit cross-legged at her grave and sing her glycerin.

My favorite memory of her is actually before she died, she really had bad Alzheimer's and I went to visit her in a hospital. She was really annoyed at me that I was late and she was all packed and ready to go with a bag and a bag and really pissed off for me. Like she wasn't not meant to be leaving. So while even

let her get ready was just like a beanness from the staff. So I came in there and she was really mad I was late. Again, I wasn't late. I was visiting her. So she could sit over there, sit at the other side of the room and then when she forget

me for being late. I had nothing to do for her. I couldn't take her out. So I put her in a wheelchair and it was a bit like one for the Cooca's Nest and I whizzed around this old Edinburgh infirmary big hospital.

And you can go for miles around all the thing and I just was bashing around, going really fast down the corridors running with her. And then I stopped so I remember on a bridge, a walkway between, and we're talking and she's smiling and laughing and I took in the kitchen.

There's all the kitchen porters going, excuse me, excuse me, it's getting around with her. So there's a brilliant memory of her. So I don't want to leave it with a memory of which she was a bit meany. But that was a bit of a meaning comment. But I guess I decided sort of just shrugged it off and let it help that inspire me. Yeah, it didn't bother you. Well, that's a beautiful memory. Did you know that you always know you could sing?

No, it was a terrible singer. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, you developed that skill, glist. No, I didn't. You're still a terrible singer is what you're saying. No, I'm all right. I found my way. I found a cell.

I mean, it seems, it seemed to have worked out fine for you. I listen to glycerin. Still, I listen to swallowed. Maybe once a week, not to trigger you. But I do. I quite enjoy that song. It's a lovely song. I don't know what it's about.

Not a foggiest clue. No idea. But I really enjoy it. I don't want you to tell me. Number seven. When was the last time you lied, Gavin Rostale? was it 15 minutes ago in this interview?

No, no. I mean, it's impossible not to lie. A Scorpio would say that. I'm trying to minimize my lies, but I invite someone to come from my birthday and they said they couldn't make it. And I said it didn't matter. Oh, that's so sad.

It was something like when I lied. That was my last. Speaking of your granny and her fear of intimacy, why didn't you just say, okay, I understand, but just so you know, that does hurt my feelings? Because I wasn't so fucking woke and involved. I was a regular person. This was three days ago. You said I'm reading Alain de Paton. My granny had intimacy issues.

You were talking the big talk here, okay? Is all I'm saying. I've got smarter recently. In the last two days since you were there. Yeah. I've only been smart. I've only had an insight for the last three days. Prior to that, I was like, I was in a fog.

There's all those beers you had at lunch. Okay, well, I mean, you can still do it after the fact, if you felt like expressing yourself. I have three kids. I've grown, it's like there's so many issues with them. I don't, I'm fine. Are we in therapy, Gavin Rosnell? There was a therapeutically oriented response.

So I felt like it was part of the framework of my response. Sure. You're like right now I'm in therapy, but not in any sort of active practice. If that's what you're asking. Okay. Well, that's fine. That's personal choice.

You're like the guy with the books. You're like, I'm all stocked up on sanity here. We're all stocked up on self-development over here. We don't need it anymore. You guys can't see this as an audio-only podcast, but Gavin Rostale is smiling at me in a way that's sort of menacing. I'm going to move on to the next question. Okay, number eight, Gavin Rostell.

What character in a book or film do you relate to the most and why? One of my favorite I've always most connected to is Moon Palace by Paul Orster. and his main character who it's just this journey through life in the way he sees people and I don't know if I sort of aspire to have that insight

or whether his insights and various things he tries to do just resonates with me and that was always like a character I really loved it's the reporter's like it's filious, it's uncle Victor, but he, my character is

Marco Fogg. Marco Fogg. Yeah, just one of those just one of those things like Silence of Lambs is my favorite film, just certain things just sort of edified into your reason that's my favorite, I can't get away from it. And so that's a character, you know,

that's who I relate to. Okay, that's a good answer. I was actually kind of half expecting you to say like a William Burroughs or like a caroac book. But you'd be surprised how often men do say that one. Oh, well, it's just too stream of conscious to know what he's been, was going on about. So there's nothing to grab onto. It's so true.

It's so true. What is that man on about? Who knows? I've read that book several times, and I still don't know what that man is on about. But men do love that book. Okay. Paul Oster, Moon Paul's. I've never read it.

I'll read it. Number nine, what was your biggest sliding doors moment? Have you seen the Guineath-Paltrow film Sliding Doors? Yeah, where I missed it or where I got it. Basically that if you had made a different choice, so instead of like missing or catching the train, more of a choice that if you had made a different one, you would definitely not be here today.

Yeah, well, I think I was, when I just did Constantine, and I was poised to do a lot more movies than I had it. very big agent, Brian Lord at CIA. I saw him have these acting managers, an acting manager. And I just got a bit frustrated. I thought I'd be doing more. And they had a conversation and ended up not working with Brian anymore. And I always think if I'd stayed doing that,

I would end up doing more movies. So that was a musical, that was a career choice that led me back to music more than careering down, doing more movies. you regret it or do you feel like it was the great choice? Well, I don't regret the music because I'm so in love with music and I'm so in love with my life. I'm really grateful for it and how much can one a person have. But I do

have really enjoyed and I'm not dead so I can do it. I really enjoyed in movies. So I hope I get the chance to do more and I hope that choice didn't forfeit the opportunity to do more movies, you know?

Yeah. That's the only thing. But, you know, I'm a greedy fucker and I've got a great life and so it's like just how it goes. Does acting stimulate a different part of your mind than music does or fulfill you in a different way? Yes, 100%. That's why. What's cool, these are music, I have to effectively improve the silence and fill the space and with acting, I've just got the benefit or the lack of of whatever somebody wrote the words someone wrote

and you know when you read someone's word on you know Kieva Goldsman who's a really good writer wrote constantly just words that flow and roll and I just love it when you work with actors that's really inspiring with it

is bringing words off the page something like I studied with this guy Harold Gusskin would be like what do you just do that what's that when you said that because I ain't going to shit and it gives it all this So when you live in the moment, you make it like that.

And so I've been lucky enough to work with really good actors, even though I've only done about seven films. I've generally worked with really good people. So it's been really fun to kind of bounce off on them. So it'd be nice to do more films. Also, don't forget my favorite appearance of yours, which was on the beautiful television program, Criminal Minds, where you played Dante.

I love criminal minds. I've watched that episode many times. I love that, and I love Joe Mentione. He's helped me a lot. He's incredible. He's a great friend of him. He's so good on the show. I really, I was like a deep, I went through a really dark period where I was kind of a shut-in

and all I did was watch Criminal Minds reruns. So you're really part of that story, that narrative for me, that time of my life as Dante. You know what I mean? I cried in my underwear, there. You sure did. The range. I went for it. Was there an artist in the world that you were basing that character off of in your mind?

No, I mean, there's sort of a, had a bit of Robert Smith about it. Sure. white and the rent. So, the funny thing is they did a, because we've got you a carbocanout.

They did a life-size couple cars. Which I was horrified by, but I made sure I took both of them so I didn't want anyone else to have them. I read this and I was so upset

because I was like, I could have owned that. I could have somehow found that on eBay one day. You really promised to to go out to it. It's literally life size of me. It's odd. Odd.

Odd looking. Anyway, anyway, I just can't stop thinking about the life size cut out. But okay, well, that's yours to do with it what you will. Number 10, Gavin Rostell, what characteristic are you most drawn to in other people? Talent. Oh, interesting. Go on. When you see someone excel in their endeavor, you know, their chosen interest and they do something

that's really elevated, I think that's mesmerizing. No, I'm simply, sorry, not, I do go to therapy and I'm definitely like, wow, absolutely, Gavin Rostell was sent here to challenge my psyche because I've for many years tried to be like, okay, actually, no matter how good you are at what you do, that's not your value and your value is separate from that. And then here you waltz in being like, there's other characteristics. Because when I said it's not to the exclusion of other qualities, you know, to be listener, to be sort of kind. There's loads of things that make somebody appealing and something.

But, you know, it's not achievements. It's just as somebody who can, I had a girlfriend. She was a terrible person. But she could draw really well. Yeah. really good because her grandfather made her draw. He was an artist and, you know, he was an instructor to draw as a kid. I just, when she would just sit and do something,

I just found that really made me like her. It showed me a patience, a dedication or something. So it's nothing to, it's not like, well, you know, five Grammys, and I'm thinking of the greatest thing, it's nothing to do with achievements. It's an ability at something that separates that person from other people. You know, when somebody does something,

you're like, oh, wow, you know, it's nice, I didn't know you could cook like that. Right. I didn't know if you could. I don't know, that's funny. Yeah. That's what I mean.

So it could go on for anything. It's just sort of an elevating quality. Something sort of exceptional. Yeah. That makes sense. 24. Number 11, Gavin Rostow. Who is the last person?

Oh, this is a good one. Who is the last person you met that you were star-struck by? And I know that you be hobnobbing and rubbing elbows out in the world of Tintill Town. Well, I bumped into, I heard his voice. And there's a bookstore. And it's Fon Swelmaelman, the chef. Oh, my God. What's that TV show that was so good?

that his episode Chef Table I think about his episode all the time I heard his voice he's not like he's now and yes chef so I love

I watch everything I'm obsessed with food so I watched him and I heard his voice and I turned around I was like chef how incredible thank you so much

for your episode of The Chess Table and what brings you to New York and he's in New York is you know I'm cooking I never know where I am. I said, where do you live?

Because I never know. The bag is often packed. The bag is often packed. And then he was like, I love everything Zen. It's such an honor to me, Gavin Ross. So, yeah, so him. What do you like to cook? I like flame.

I like fire. I'm really kind of getting to grips with, I cook everything. But I'm really fascinated by, if cooking is temperature and time, and I like all styles of cooking, you know, suede, braise, saute, poge, whatever, right? But I'm digging, like, I just,

getting to no fire, I'm just getting fire to kiss it, to lick meat, to not be too much, pull it away, to just cook things perfectly, fucking perfect grill marks, perfect my art reaction

you know like really good caramization on whatever you cook anything like I'm on one side really just just vaguely cooked

or steamed the other side fucking like a you know I mean somehow everything you say sounds sexual does people tell you this

well yeah there you go it's very it does all leap back it does all leap back back to the... Sure.

They're all carnal pleasures. You know, if you're going to survive, why not survive well? Survive. Well, did you watch the, as a former footballer yourself, nearly a professional footballer. Did you watch the Beckham documentary? I did. I really enjoyed it. And it was really fun.

It actually, weirdly enough, it's a bit like my greatest hits because you don't look back. But when you do look back with David, what a fucking sensational career. And he always did have a great career. But it's really interesting scene in chronology because he had a love-hate relationship in England. Sure. I learned that from the doctor. We don't think about it now. He's just sort of like David Beckham, great right-foot watch guy or any guy.

Like, he's the biggest model in the world. Yeah. Tequila brand or something. It's like advertising, advertising phenomenon. And she's incredible designer. Yeah. And I like them. They're good people.

It's really endearing. My favorite thing about it, the only thing I cared about, because I watched it, and I love the football because I love football, so it really enjoyed his highlights and the trials and tribulations he went through. And then I really love, they just fucking love each other. They're so cute. They're so cute together. They honestly love each other so much, and I love them for that.

And I knew them, they lived near us for a minute, and I was friendly with them for five minutes. and we had kids our friendly kids were friendly for five minutes we had a bit of a laugh and I like them and wish them well yeah it's great yeah I love that too my favorite part of it though I was most jealous

of was David Beckham's like kitchen thing that he had that was just for him to play around do you remember that yeah well I fucking I love that in my house because I'm very big on that you know like clean kitchen clean food

so I'm like I really am a bit up tight about that. I really try and cook clean because I think it really transfers the plate. And he's so clean and tidy. He could probably give an army of people that could clean

behind him. But he's the one doing it. Again, I loved him for that. So that was a thumbs up watch for me. I really enjoyed it. I just enjoyed it. It's easy watching. Easy watch. It was pleasant. Tell them the truth.

Tell them the truth. I'm down at a row. Or when she was like, I'm going to the fashion business. And he was like, where are you really going? She was like, facial. Love they. We were so cute together. Yeah, that was very inspiring.

I think their long-term romance is very, very inspiring. You don't see that very much. All right, number 12. When was the last time you slid into someone's DMs? A few weeks ago, I slid into Sean Brock, who's the chef from Audrey in Texas and Austin, and I've already written in before. And it turns out his wife really loves my band. It was a great dinner.

And I wrote him when I came home and I was like, I wanted to know that I really, it was real on a meeting you and I don't know if I expressed that. And I really want to come and learn more about cooking with fire. You're really into that right now. Yeah. You asked. I love it. That was expecting something a little different.

And I love that it's still led back. to cooking with fire. Number 13. What is the horniest song ever, in your personal opinion? I love bad bitches. That's my fucking problem. Asap, Asap, Rocky. That feels pretty fun. But I think it's a bit much, but good, but like, moments in love by art of noise is definitely, like, I can have that on repeat. But like, that's an amorous. That's an amorous song. I don't think I know that one. I'm going to have to look it up.

It comes from a cultural summer of love whenever I was like staying up for three days at a time. So it has a different. I don't know if it's, but it's really good. Okay. We'll clip it here. Very,

that's more sensual. When you said, just say horniness soul. I think, I think horniness is a broad term that you can apply, however. Put that or repeat and like, you know,

kiss you love it. Be nice to your love. Or let the flame lick your meat. if you're cooking. I can always use that song for that. Okay. Number 14. So tourist of you.

So, that's true. Honestly, tourists are very sensual. Tauruses love food. They love comfort and they love sensuality. They love touch. Number 14, Gavin Rossdale.

What is the biggest money that you ever turned down? Probably something like, oh, okay, doing the second season of her voice in England, because it was more than five months of traveling and I just couldn't justify it with my kids.

And of course, now it doesn't fucking matter because it would have been and done and I would have made it up to them. But I just thought I couldn't do it and it didn't do it. And it was so much fun. It was actually one of the worst things for my career, I think. I was the end of person that had worn on The Voice and it didn't help my record sales in England

and it confused my audience because I was like, why is he going on that? So that was like one my typical situation where I think it didn't work out for me how it should. I've had loads of things that have gone my way. So one of the things that got my way is being on there because I really enjoyed it. I had a lot of fun. And God, it's massive to be in that. You're in this massive machine.

But I didn't do the second season. So I'd like to do it again somehow, but maybe not where I have to leave my boys for solo. Yeah. You have to live in England to be on the English voice, I imagine. Yeah. Yeah. To be there. All right.

That's a pretty good one. Number 15. What is the best live music concert you've ever seen? Live music show. I've got to say, I saw 9-inch nails, maybe a little somewhere a few years ago, and it's pretty fucking good. Yeah.

This is a full-on, proper show, and really going for it, and basically everything, double-time. Sort of like a drama-based show. Yeah. intense. It's pretty intense. In 1995, I saw Bush play at the

K. Rockweeney roast with my dad. Nice. Yeah, he took me. He got secondhand high from the grass smoke, as he put it, because we were in the lawn and he fell asleep. And then there was bonfires because during rage

against the machine and he slept through the whole thing. Are we sure that it was secondhand smoke that was sending to sleep? I know. Maybe he was just on drugs. Maybe my dad was on drugs. I doubt it. My dad is a very straightliest man. And I was 12, so I needed a chaperone and my dad took me. That's a core memory for me in 1990. Sublime also played and Rancid. It was a great year. Great year. Great year for alt rock music festival. All right. Number 16, Gavin Rostale. When in your life were you the most fucked up wasted, hammered trashed? London Town between 1980. to 92. I keep meaning to reword this question

because every person interprets it as a time period instead of just one occasion. I was being facetious, so I was rolling with it. I was improvising. You were like, it was not one night, it was five years.

Over that time in London, a club kid. So any night of the week, we were going out and getting super, super club-oriented. And so... What kind of music was

Well, that's the only thing that was disconnected for me because that was the beginning of Acid House. Sure, acid house. I wasn't really into the Acid House. I liked more, you know, I like Bowie and Prince and the Sex Pistols and The Th and Talk Talk. Oh, the The is so good. PJ Harvey. I liked, this is stuff I liked throwing muses. I don't know.

Don't forget Pixie is your favorite band. Pixies, but the music, but that was like music that I listened to in the day. When we go out to clubs and stuff like that, that's what they play club music. There's an acid house. So some bands would go into that whole acid house and they're happy Mondays. Sure. I was doing all that, but then I was listening to Hendrix and Steve Ray Vaughan in a day. You know, a gang of four in public image.

I liked guitar bands. My Bloody Valentine. My Blatine Valentine, Great Scottish in the lineage of your grandma. Those bands that I listen to. So my music tastes were nothing to do with my being wasted. to be my friends. What was the, what was like the fun club drug in 1989 in London? Hell yeah. That was fun. We lost something as a society. That was what no one drank. Yeah. Everyone was listed and that was it. Yeah, you don't need to drink

with X-City. That was why it was a beautiful and miracle drug. You don't need to drink. You don't need to have a coffee. Everyone got along. Everyone was happy. Deep conversations. Yeah. And you wake up the next day and drink beer to chase the where you feel. Sure, you have depleted all of your serotonin and you're miserable, but hey, we had a good time. Okay, number 17 and number 18, these are tandem questions.

What do you love the most about being famous and what do you hate the most about being famous? Love most about being famous. There's a sort of shorthand where people trust you and reveal themselves pretty quick. You know, you can get to people quicker because, you know what I mean? Right?

Is that? Worst thing about being famous, just everyone's a judge and everyone knows the story and everyone knows you're a piece of shit. Or thinks that, right? Those things are frustrating. I think the most frustrating thing in life used to be being misunderstood.

And the older I get, the more I realize it doesn't matter. Yeah, I was going to say, do you care what people think about you? No. No. But when you start, when I started, I did. When you've been through stuff and I've been through some stuff, that was a bit challenging to have to sort of be forced a narrative.

Because that's the thing that the life is now, narratives. I try to get that in the lyric, narrative drones, why can't we get in there? But it's right a song about narrative, because people live off narratives. Totally. Versus any reality, no one cares, no one needs any more than narratives. So fuck you. No, they just want to start.

That's what I don't like I'm going to be famous, but that's it. Jack Nicholson said it even better. He said the best thing about being famous is that you can get a restaurant reservation 8 o'clock, any Saturday night, 6 o'clock can get a reservation 8 o'clock.

The bad news is that everyone's going to watch you eat. Actually, several people on here have said the restaurant reservation thing as the answer. I think Stephen Jenkins from third eye blind said that. He was the best part is I can get a restaurant reservation. Okay, cool. Hi, I'm Stephen Jenkins. You are also, Stephen. This is actually a second interview with Stephen Jenkins.

Yeah, I'm glad you don't care anymore. I've never, obviously, I'm a lower to mid-tier podcaster, and I have not been covered by TMZ for the comings and goings of my life. But the one thing I did internalize pretty quickly of having like any level of internet fame was that what people don't like about me is none of my business. And what people do like about me is also none of my business because it's none of my business. that's not who I am. That's who they think I am. Right. Okay. Number 19, this is the wild card, Gavin Rostale. Gun to your head. You're at a big party. All your friends and family are there. Someone hands you an acoustic guitar and you have to play a pixie's song. You have to cover it.

What song are you covering? What is my mom? Interesting. Back to a little ballady moment. Prove it to Granny once again. I can do this. It was ballad, yeah. Anyway, I'll do that. Is that your favorite pixie song, or that's just the one that you would do on the acoustic guitar? No, I've loads.

I mean, I have so many pixie songs. I just adore some, just another one of the pixie songs. Okay. It's a good song. Okay, number 20, Gavin Rostell. When was the last time you cried? I cried about 10 days ago. What was it about?

What happened? My mom fell over. She was 84. felt like I've broken. So I had to fly back to London. She's doing really poorly because she's being really sick for three years. I'm sorry. Like it literally,

I was funny because I thought there's an interesting response because it made me cry. Yeah. Like I just was like, I suddenly caught myself outside of myself within five minutes of crying. It was like, how weird you're just crying? Like, because crying is such a sort of a,

it's terrible because crying is there when there's nothing left. There's words. You just give up on words. You just like, oh, it's just this roar. emotion. Yeah. And I was like,

I found myself stepping outside of myself and going, oh, interesting, really are like, learning out like human gripped and it's not being crying.

Step outside of myself. And just sort of, you know, go back to being English uptight and get my shit together. Stip up a lot. Still up a lip. You know, I was just worried for her.

It's sort of like, it's like horrible. She's a horrible hospital and late on. You know, just being through. shit. Like, yeah,

terrible. Getting old, you know, being a burden for people. This must be awful. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sure it felt really overwhelming.

And I think with anything like that, it reminds us of our own mortality, which is also a little overwhelming. You know what? I'm just becoming a heroin addict, you know, because it's like...

I always say this. When he is, like, what, as long as you, the only problem is if you can't get heroin, but if you can get a lifetime supply, I mean, like, why don't bliss out?

Gavin Rostel, this is always, always my plan for when I'm very old is it's funny that you say this that's all I'm going to do is just I haven't chosen my drug of choice it's just so rubbish when people really get old and then when they're getting old and they're sort of

beating up like that in a hospital and the old ward was full of, I went back to London and surprised that and the whole water sort of people like broken bones and it's the orthopedic wing with these old people and just feel terrible because they're like quick get yourself better so you can well so you can sit in a chair

over there right a different chair yeah at home. It's rough. So that, involuntarily. And I also cry sometimes when I look at Instagram in the morning and I see dog rescue things and there's a dog that doesn't have a home and this thing.

I don't, it's not a boo-hoo cry. It makes me cry. It makes, definitely, I've got tears. I'm like, fuck. Because I just want to get, I want to get kennels. I need to have like 10 dogs. And every time I'm like, it's such a fake liar, I hate stuff, I'd see it, I go, you're a liar. You need to help these dogs really get.

There's this one I love rescue that I follow. I just want to get all these dogs and save them, but I'm always traveling and I can't have these dogs. And I'm like, so that really does a set before. See animal things. It will bring the tears to hers. Only you went to therapy. There would probably a lot to unpack here

about why the dogs are triggering this in you and your savior complex about the dogs, but we don't have time to get into that here. Just make a mental note for yourself for next time. The next time. Let go of it. Moses, let go. Number 21, what is your greatest regret?

They're getting more lighter and more lighthearted. Losing my first manager. Oh. Yeah. Losing my first manager. I went with a guy. that I deeply regret. Was it your first manager who said that you were a musician cursed with a model's face in Rolling Stone?

Possibly. I don't know. Dave Durrell? Dave Durrell, yeah. Yeah. I liked that quote in Rolling Stone. I loved him. I got rid of him. Got a terrible manager. I've got replaced him with a horrible guy. Oh, I'm sorry. Nobody is free of making mistakes.

I'm free of him now. I've got a great manager. That's right. And he said such nice things about your face in Rolling Swam magazine. I mean, you know, it just was, he didn't have the experience, and we got a bit seduced by it, and when uptown, the most of the time. The main thing is to always, you'll have these people, whether it's, you know, different, nefarious people that you meet in your life, you know, that aren't good people, you get through them,

and you outlive them, and you get through them, and it's a really good lesson. and people should know that every long career, there's loads of people you have to wade through, you know, beyond or labels. I went to terrible time at Atlantic. That's why I'm always, like, so impressed when I do my other podcast where I just study the careers of bands,

when bands come along and they, like, say no to, like, several major labels. They'll be, like, 22 years old. They'll be all living in one, place eating soup every day and they'll be like, we're not going to do that. And you're like, wow, the integrity that it must have taken or like just the like self knowledge. And I wouldn't have done that. I mean, it's it's not that it's the right or wrong thing to do. But it always really strikes me when they're like, we're not ready to do this. Like I think the Sundays did that. They were like, people were trying to sign them from like day one and they kept just being like,

we're not ready yet. We'll come back in a year. Yeah, fuck God. I've been fucking waiting around too long. I had that luxury. I was fucking starving. Spiritually, emotionally, and physically. The little dukes hadn't worked out, so you were... I had a chance of it never working out. It was always going to be fine for you. It worked out good because Dave Durel was in L.A. when I was trying to do that

and he took a portfolio to New York of that band when it was called Head. Beautiful portfolio, great pictures, big thing, this fucking thing. I started this thing, love rock and this whole thing. He lost the portfolio. I went on back to London. I just began these new demos, and that's when I began Bush, and he goes, he gave me advice. He said, you know what, I don't know if I can manage you.

This is great. So he managed me. And I love him and I miss him. And I do have a great manager now, but I deeply regret that. You guys are not in touch. You know, recently a couple years ago, I did write him and I found him again. But to be honest, I find it difficult. It makes me want to throw up because I deeply regret.

He was my favorite member of the band. He isn't better than all the other three to hang out. I preferred him. It was a really good friend of mine. And I thought I did the right thing. And I wasn't, I was just being an ass and being self-serving and thinking it would make the bad massive. And it was actually worked in the exact opposite. It's very self-aware of you to know that and to admit it.

And you know what? Who knows? Maybe one day you'll be able to tell all this to him and heal that wound. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The good news about the band is I'm actually back to where I was prior to that. So I've overtaken it now, so it's okay. But yeah, that was a, that was a cataclysmic move. It's all part of the plan, I believe it, so.

No accidents, right? No accidents. I don't see regret. I mean, I don't. I think it's okay to regret your own behavior because you learn, that's how you learn from it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I regret that decision. But I need, you know, there was logic to it, and it just, it all, it all, it was, you know, all, it was, you know, try.

All right. Thanks for bringing that up. I didn't. I mean, you brought it up. I simply asked the question. Although, again, it felt like we got somewhere there with you emotionally. So I think it was good. All right.

Number 22, we're so close. What song would you like to hear just before you die? Most of the time, but don't do it. That's a really good one. All right. Don't like two more questions, Gavin Ross. How are you feeling? Ready to close this out?

Sure. Number 23. what do you think about me? I think you're really smart and you have really good questions and you have a good sense of humor and yourself depraved

and that's why I've been able to answer them at length, possibly longer than you even wanted. Definitely never longer than I wanted, possibly slower than I wanted, but that's simply your cadence, you're English, you're... I'm trying to let the one. words speak and finish each one individually.

It's inspiring, but also I was like, is Gavin Rostale high? Maybe. That's also amazing for you. And I love, I would do that too. If I had to do 10 podcast interviews in a row, I would definitely get high. Number 24, what do you want to plug? What I want to plug? That's why you're here, babe. My black heart so that I can feel again. You're a tender softy and you've revealed that many times through this conversation.

And perhaps it's... I don't think there's all in my heart, as I'm saying. I think it needs filling and I think that once I fill it I will find everything that is a lucid. Is it a God-sized hole? That doesn't make sense for me

because I don't have measure of God. All right, Gavin Rossnell, this has been a real pleasure and a delight and I hope that you had an okay time. Thank you for coming on the podcast. I'm going to check out that book that you relate to the character of. And I'm going to think about your granny

when I play glycerian later. I'm going to light a candle. She did make great rock cakes. She made great rock cakes. What is a rock cake? People have all this food that I don't know about. Like this of a bum, but it's a soft crunch on the outside.

Soft as a flaky and then with raisins in it. Can you make it? I go up there. I drive up to see her. and she'd always go out of the tin, she'd make them for me. And like the bit that was crunching and burnt, the kind of like mild reaction, those crispy bits were the best.

And then you had a little bit of soft inside, and I can put away three or four of them that was. That sounds really good. I'm going to look into that. Rock cakes. Thanks for listening to 24-question party people, and thanks to my guest, Gavin Rostow. Be sure to look for Bush's greatest hits record,

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