Bandsplain - 24 Question Party People: Joe Talbot of IDLES

Episode Date: February 13, 2024

Joe Talbot of IDLES joins us this week to discuss approaching things with love in a loveless time, sparring on an empty stomach, and the soothing properties of office jazz, as well as tapping in with bell hooks and the sensory memory of first hearing “Heard It Through the Grapevine” as a child. Be sure to check out IDLES’ new album ‘Tangk’—out everywhere Friday. Audio Producer: Olivia Crerie Guest: Joe Talbot Producer: Jesse Miller-Gordon Additional Production Supervision: Justin Sayles Theme Song: Hether Fortune Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello and welcome to 24 question party people I am your host Yossi Salick This is a show where I invite an interesting person on for a little talk I ask the same 23 questions every time more or less Plus one wild card The guest is allowed to skip one question Sometimes the questions change a little That is my right as a girl boss

You guys it's kind of perfect that this episode is airing the week of Valentine's Day. And I'll explain why. I am not one of those people who like bitterly hates Valentine's Day. Because honestly that's sort of like let's look deep within. Let's look in the mirror and see what's coming up for you, babe, situation. And that's really between you and God. Me personally, I love it.

I love the iconography, all the pink and red hearts and the inles and the cupids, all the cute shit. I love getting pink chrome nails to see. celebrate. I love those disgusting conversation hearts. Look, I'm not going to eat them, but I like looking at them. I love those stuffed bears holding hearts. Those are cute. The gorgeous

floral bouquets. And honestly, even the fucking cheap ones with the carnations, those are cute too. I just love romance. And you know what? I love love. I don't really think you need to be dating or in a relationship to experience romance. And you definitely don't

need that to experience love. That's a little secret. You can do a little romance in your life whenever you want, babe. Light a gorgeous little candle while you cook yourself a beautiful steak. Get yourself flowers and put them in your favorite vase and I can gaze upon them. Me? I went to the Sanrio store and I bought myself $100 of hello kitty shit. That's romance, babe. And love? Man, love is a whole other thing, bitch. Maybe like, honestly, loki. Maybe the main thing. Yeah, that's right. Ernest did go back to some sort of camp today. Sorry, he just can't stay away. I've been pulling tarot a lot.

That's right. This bitch, your friend Yossi, she is wayward. She has lost. And recently, in my tarot pulling, I've been pulling the lovers card a lot, which is always a nice one to see. But it's also such an interesting card because, look, on the surface, sure, like superficially, it's about romantic relationships or whatever. But actually, it's about way, way more than that. It's a major arcana, which means it's not just about something. earthly. It's about uniting, like, reason and rationality, which is represented by the man on the

card, and emotion and passion, which is represented by the woman, in order to connect with the divine. That's the angel at the top of the card. If you look at the card, I don't know if you have terror cards at home, fucking fire up Google. You can see that the man is looking at the woman, right? He's, like, gazing at her, but she's looking up at the angel. She's looking at God. That's it, right? Love is actually just ultimately a connection to the divine, babe. That's right. I can't get around that. It's not a dinner at an overpriced prefixed restaurant in your town or Olive Garden. Personally, I would prefer to go to like a Valentine's Day dinner at Olive Garden, like an endless breadstick situation is real romantic to me. It's an aphrodisiac. And love is not using other people to escape yourself.

it's not thinking another person will save you or make you happy when you can't make yourself happy. But you know what? You can make yourself happy, baby. You can do it. Have you tried the Sanrio store? Highly recommend. Anyway, I've been pulling taro a lot because I'm mentally ill, but also because I've been thinking again about maybe adopting another puppy. I don't know, man.

It's so emotionally complicated for me. I'm scared. I don't know. I know according to my best internet friend, Reddit, that many people adopt a new dog just shortly days after they lose their pup as a means to heal. And I totally get that. And some people wait a year or two or three. It's, I think it's just really hard to know when you're ready, right? Or when I'm ready. When people are, like, you know when you're ready. I'm like, I don't know what does ready mean? You say ready. Like it's like a fucking, you know, to paraphrase my so-called life. Like, a toaster or something. I was scared to fucking death before I adopted Lou because I was like, I don't know what it's going to be the type of a dog. I'm so scared of it. I'm so scared of it wrong.

Whatever I don't know. My life changes. And now once again, I am scared to death, except now I am scared to death on steroids. And I really kind of got to this place where I was like, no, that's okay.

I'm not doing it. I just won't get a dog. I'm fine. This life is fine. I'm actually the dog in the room on fire, sipping coffee in a fedora. This is fine. But then,

motherfucker, I realized fear is not the way to live your life. Fear is actually the opposite of love. Joe Talbot of idols says that to me on this episode. So he kind of helped push me in that direction. And it really landed for me. I know you guys enjoy this pod for entertainment purposes, but just know that I'm literally using it as my own form of therapy. And you know what?

It's working bitch. Joe talks a lot on this episode about the incredible bell hook. and her book All About Love, which I actually haven't read in many years, and I probably really need to revisit. I couldn't find my copy here amongst the piles of, you know, fucking music books. But I did peruse some of the choice bits on a quotations website. Don't judge me, bitch. I am doing my best. And here's one that really jumped out and slapped me in the fucking face. The practice of love offers no place of safety. We risk loss, hurt, pain. We risk being acted upon by forces outside our control. Okay, drag me to hell, babe. Drag me right the fuck to hell.

And then there's this other one that also really got me. Contrary to what we may have been taught to think, unnecessary and unchosen suffering wounds us, but need not scar us for life. It does mark us. What we allow the mark of our suffering to become is in our own hands. Brov. Bro. Bro. Bro. But you know what? She's right. We make ourselves happy, babe. And what we do with our pain, that's on us too. And only on us. That's kind of a both really scary concept and also kind of an amazing one. There's love available everywhere. But you have to be brave. You have to surrender control. Not my favorite thing, if we're being honest. And you have to transmute your pain into something more into growth. That's right. growth bitch even if you can't explain it or understand it so light a fancy candle babe put on this conversation with myself and joseph talbot which was honestly so fun and so also so healing you can send me a bill joe babe after this it was worth it here is my talk with joe talbot of idols hope you enjoy it of idols. Hi. Hi, how you doing? I'm great. How are you? Fantastic. You were sending off for some

coffee. Are you tired? No, I'm absolutely not tired. I've had 10 hours sleep. Wow. You're really getting your hours in. Do you wear like a wearable device that tracks your sleep? No, I just know what time it is when I sleep and when I wake up. You don't wear a wearable device then is what you're saying. No, no aura ring. No, no, no. I just, I think my body knows when I've got shit coming up the next day and I try and get an early night rather than, you know, not. Do you have one of those, like, really fun days where you have, like,

18 interviews in a row and you're like, yes, let me talk about myself. I have three months of that, not a day. A day would be fucking bliss, yeah. Is that why you started playing music? to do interviews yeah that's right as a child you were like I know what I want to do I was like there's not enough

middle aged white men in the world talking about themselves we need a voice and the quickest way there is I will learn guitar it's true honestly there's not enough white men playing guitars in the world there's fucking change this shit you know what I I think there could be more, and I think more of them need to show up at parties I'm at with an acoustic guitar and play a little Dave Matthews band.

And I'm being actually dead serious. I would love that. Fuck yeah. Not enough guys showing up at parties playing Dave Matthews band for my liking. Well, you should probably move to Tennessee. Yeah. Joe, you don't fuck with Dave Matthews band. Do you know how to play any Dave Matthews band on the acoustic guitar?

I couldn't tell you a single song of theirs. I don't know what they sound like. I just assume they're kind of, they're in Tennessee. Well, he's from Virginia, so you're close. Technically, actually, a South African. I guess it didn't really make it over to England. It's not really culturally. I think it did.

It's not like, you know, it's like an Americana vibe, right? No. Sure. Like Dave Matthews band is a thing. I just, um, I grew up on soul music and hip-hop. I didn't really. Yeah. Yeah. People assume I like no rock music, but I, you know, I've never listened to, like, Led Zeppelin, for instance.

Or, what's that fan? I think I can hear that in your music. Really annoy me. The Beatles. No, I love the Beatles. Dark side of the moon. What's that fucking touch? Oh, Pink Floyd. Also British. I'm that shit.

Yeah, yeah. But yeah, yeah, Dave Matthews band. I'll check them out. Like, don't get me wrong. Thank you. I like stuff. Jazz trained musicians. I think you might be surprised.

Listening to idols, I'm not sure that you would like it, but I think you're more than just idols. You're a complex human being. Yeah, I think one of the biggest mistakes people make is assuming what I like because of what idols sound like. The thing that we do as a band is right democratically, and we all like very different stuff. Right.

Gorge. Can you tell me a little bit about before we get into the part? party. What's Bristol like? I'm a known anglophile and I've never been to Bristol and I just like want to get a sense. It's like a little bit east, right? It's like the east of London near the water. You're far off. It's west of London. I'm that I didn't know. It's that I'm really bad with directions because I'm a woman. Don't say that. Come on. No, it's true. I'm also bad, bad with numbers and math and technology? Well, I can tell you that I'm also terrible at directions

and I have no ovaries. So we're in the same boat. I just happen to know where I live. So I live in the southwest of England, sadly. I would definitely not call yourself an anglophile until you listen to the people that lived there and hear what fucking stupid shit comes out of their mouth. But I love the accent.

It's so charming. Do you really, do you want to know why? Why I'm probably an anglophile? All of them. literally all of them. Like, the northern one is so good. What do they say? Ta is the northern,

Ta. I just, I'm obsessed. I really do think it's because I'm, I was, I'm an immigrant kid in America. And I think that like, the colonialism was so colonialisming,

babe, so deeply that not only was I like so obsessed with the idea of being American because I was other, that first it was the South. And then I was just like, fuck this. Let's go to the source,

babe. What is the most thing that you can be? It's English and I'm just obsessed. I'm obsessed. Yeah. I mean, it's like, yeah, the problem is, you know, a few problems. Our colonialism is still rife. You know, we killed half the Irish population and millions of Indian people not that long ago and then we're now murdering Palestinians and fucking. So you're a patriot is what you would say. I'm a straight up tourist wherever I am. Thank you for that. Fuck the king, as I say.

Well, he has cancer. He does, yeah. That's a very horrible thing. And I do not at all condone people celebrating that. It's a very sad thing. Nick is like losing his mind right now. He's like, can you move on to like, the fun questions.

With me, there's no fun questions, I'm afraid. No, I think we're going to have fun. You seem fun. Okay. All right. We'll get there. We'll get to talking about ice cream and shit. You seem pretty fun. No questions about ice cream today. I did, I'm sorry. We'll talk about raw milk though. Come back.

Yeah, we'll get into that. Because I love raw milk and it's one of my main platforms is like you know how we all have passions and things that we care about we feel that we need to influence in the world mine is raw milk raw milk actually um readily available in london anyway but you have to go to the farmer's market i actually look for raw milk recently because um i follow someone online who i can't remember his name i'm terrible with names as well as directions not because of my gender i think sure just because of your your brain damage maybe Yeah, probably because of the seven kilos of cocaine I did in my youth.

Same beef. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, all good. Raw milk. I looked for it. I couldn't find it anyway. I was like, because it is obviously much better for you, et cetera. But if you can't find raw milk, just have full fat, whole milk as fatty as you can get, kids.

Yeah, it's true. He's so right. I'm so, we're really honestly off to a great start. You're the first guest I've had that's immediately. been on the same page with me on raw milk and I feel I feel a connection with you. I feel like we are basically one now. Basically what I listened to the new album, Tangk, Tangguk. How do you say it?

Pronounced Tanagga. Oh yeah, you're Welsh. That would make sense. No, no, no. The spelling for Tank in Welsh. would have about seven L's in it somehow. And a silent... You know, I've been to Wales, surprisingly,

and I didn't understand one thing a person said for the entire week, but it was gorgeous. What a beautiful place. Honestly, it's really nice. I always say this. Welsh is a step too far for me, but I really want a Scottish boyfriend, if you know anybody,

because I think we would have a beautiful and long-lasting relationship, because I also can't understand anything they say, but I find it so charming. So it's like, what a beautiful... communication we could have. Okay. It would all be, it would all be nonverbal.

I'm telling you now, that would be a fruitful affair. So what you want to do is be more specific because there's a huge difference between Edinburgh and Glasgow. I want a Glasgow because Edinburgh seems a bit posh. Yeah, fuck the thing. Edinburgh's like the England of Scotland. There's going to be some Edinburgh people who will smash my fucking teeth in for saying that. Glasgow's.

Yeah. I mean, that's where all the, it's where all the good music came from. Let's, let's be real, babe. Teenage fan club, primal scream. I'm a head over here, so. Have you drank fuck fast abutonic wine yet? That's the one that like hobos drink, right?

That's the one that like, is that the one I'm thinking of where like that was like very popular because it was very cheap and they would like. Am I a fucking hobo? Are you showing me your rings, babe? I mean, I mean, you could have been if the guitar hadn't taken off for you. Who knows where you would have done? What's wrong with my ring?

I got rings on both hands. I just thought, I thought you were being like, do I look like a hobo, look at my bling? No, shit. No, no, no, no. I'm like Henry the fucking ape, babe, babe. No, no. It's not just hobos, no.

It's people that like fuel. To get fucked up. To get fucked up. And dancing and getting lost. But yeah, it's beautiful dream. Kind of like, it's kind of like sparks. Did you guys ever have sparks? Like is it like an alcohol that also has somehow like caffeine in it?

Yeah, it is caffeinated tonic wine made by Benedictine monks in Devon. Aren't monks supposed to be like sort of like pure? We don't, we don't we don't party like that. Isn't that a monk bad? I don't know. Have I spent time with monks? The answer is no. I'm Catholic, so I'm allowed to say this.

Catholics drink. that's like their thing, the blood of Christ. Interesting. Yeah, we like to fucking party. I got an insane email from a Catholic monk. This is absolute seriousness. I'm not pulling your leg about my other podcast. It was like ostensibly a fan email, but he started out being like, you know,

I know you say that people say your voice is annoying. And it's true. When I first started listening, I was like, why does she talk like this? can't take it. It's really annoying. But then it grew on me. And I was like, listen, thank you, I guess. But like, is this a godly email to send? Do you know what I mean? Like, are you not one, are you not right with God over here? Because I feel like God would be like, babe, don't send this email. You don't need to tell her that. You got negged by a monk. That's fucked up. By a fucking monk, a Catholic monk. I mean, though the monks have made Bucky or Bucfast, Abuttonic wine.

They're Benedictine. So they won't have access to any computers. They're like, they pray. So it wasn't one of them. They pray like 10 times a day. They dress in robes and shit. Like they're serious. Yeah, like the brown ones with like the little tie around like prior time.

Yeah. Yeah. Benedict Dean. They're like serious about their. And they sing. Yes, they chant. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. I'm moving. I'm moving to Glasgow. Allow me to just fluff you a little bit. Sorry. This is, I'm being honest. But.

gift horse babe that should go I was like okay let's fucking go I won't presume to stick your music in a genre because I know you hate that I read a bunch of interviews with you

I mean I'm not anti I just I won't do it because that would be weird if you're like I think you're like kind of like nuvo boring I'd be like sick

why would you say that about yourself newbo boring you said it you fucking animal I just I it really

I could hear so much of stuff that I like and I was like all right the streets bitch let's fucking go the fall I hear it really just really good

but also so dancing and then babe a gospel you really went fucking hard in the emotional paint there I did

that was a was that scary yeah if I'm honest yes a little bit It was the last song I sang on the album, as in like, so I didn't, I didn't have any, any vocals at all in before we went to the studio. So I wrote every song at the microphone. That was the last song I wrote because Bowen made it on his, he recorded it at home on his iPhone, you know, like that.

That's your work husband, your creative husband. Yeah, it's my babe. He recorded that at home. The thing you hear on the album is his iPhone. phone recording. So like it was just an intimate thing and it like obviously it sounds very intimate. So I just wanted to do it justice and I did I think. It's beautiful. It's very vulnerable. It really fucked me up. Thank you. I said I wouldn't talk about this anymore but I don't care. I can my show. I can talk about whatever I want. If I want to talk about my dead dog every week,

I'm going to talk about my dead dog every week. I lost it. I lost a puppy recently. A puppy. Yeah, it really sucked. I, like, got up all this courage to, like, adopt my first dog from the shelter, and I was, like, so excited, and she was, like, so wonderful. And then she got really sick, like, within, like, six weeks, and I had to put her down. So it was very traumatic. Savage. I'm sorry to her that.

It's horrible. Thank you. But this, I've really, it's, like, every episode of this show since, in some ways that have, has brought me something, like, to console my... I don't know how to say it. Like, I've, like, found something. profound in each one. And for this one, a gospel really. And grace, too. I don't know, your voice is very lovely and it made me feel very hopeful in a way that I think I really needed. It was very

nice. Good. Well, thank you. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing with grieving is that it puts things in perspective and you start seeing things, you know, like you hear lyrics that seem cliched and then you realize that person wrote those lyrics for a fucking purpose. That, That was a purposeful act that they needed to connect to the world. And then when you hear it in a place where you need connection and a sense of being carried, then you hear it. You know, suddenly like, into my arms by Nick Cave isn't just like, you know, it's more than that.

And it carries you. And I think it's really beautiful. And it's something that I needed at the time for myself. I needed to be carried. And then that's how you kind of manifest that is by giving it to the world. Do you know what I mean? No, totally. You get back what you give for sure.

And you just gave me that. You talked to me about your dog and that is part of it. That's you offering something to me and then I feel more connected and I also feel less alone in my grieving when that happens. So that's what we do. We gift each other with pain. Yeah. You gift each other with pain. Man, you're good at this.

You see, that's how you, that is literally the bartering of cancer. connection and grief is that you, if you internalize trauma, you become heavier. And then when you share your grief, you feel like you might be a burden. But as soon as you share it, you realize you're not alone. And that's a beautiful feeling. You feel connected to the world. And you feel like, you know, you're lighter because you're being carried. Just sharing information is way harder and more productive than people that

think. Yeah, you nailed it. The burden thing is so real. Like, you're just like, ugh, they don't care. I'm like, especially, I'm, it's probably different with losing people, people. I imagine it's a different, but I'm, but I'm like, I was like, okay, nobody wants to hear about my fucking dog anymore. The truth is, A, grief, there's no taxonomy of grief.

Grief is grief. Like, you feel it on, sometimes on the same level, and it's as profound in any department. Also, I said this on a podcast before, but like, I don't know if you've experienced this, but like I feel like you have one grief and it comes in and it's like, hey, hey, bitch, the door is open. All the other grief that you haven't dealt with. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

Yeah. I mean, always the more grief you feel, the better equipped you are to understand it and deal with it, process. I say deal with it sounds like a burden in itself. But even then, you know, you had a caveat before you mentioned your dog's passing. You were like, oh, no, I will say, oh, no, I will. You know, and over time, you will be empowered by the fact that when you share, it empowers and you and the other person. So there will be no caveats in years to come and you'll be more equipped to deal with grief

if you share more now because grief is inevitable. So the more you kind of build up that foundations of how to deal with shit, the better it fucking feels. Damn, I feel like I should pay you for this therapy session. Well, it's free because I've paid for the therapy myself. Same, babe, 11 years. I've been in the same therapist for 11 years. I feel like we're married. I know.

That's cool. My Jungian therapist, God bless her. She's really helped me. Shout out. Shout out. All right, Joe Talbot. We do 24 questions here. It's a party.

Let's start. Gloves are on. I'm fucking ready. Number one, Joe Talbot. What is your astrological sign? Leo Virgo Cusp. That's right. I knew that because I looked it up.

It's interesting. Okay. I want to ask you. That's right. I knew it from our conversation. From already. I wanted to know, are you an astrology girlie? Yes, I mean, I was going to come with caveats.

I have no sense of authority on anyone else's belief system. And I believe that mysticism is the language of us understanding our place in the universe, no more. So if someone wants to judge me on the fact that I find some solace and correlation, there's a lot of correlation between my other astrologer friend, one of my best friends and she's like, tells me shit and I know it. I'm like, that's insane. But you don't have to, you know, it's not magic. It's just a form of therapy.

And if anyone wants to tell me otherwise, they can go get fucked. Joe, I really feel like we're the same person. I've literally said this on many episodes. Same with tarot. Like I'm like, you guys can say whatever you want. It's just a system for self-awareness. That's all it is. It's another practice to reflect yourself back to yourself

and have an experience of, understanding your, like you said, like your place within the world, which is like the greatest thing I think we can do. That's why we're here. We're here to process our place in the world. Yeah. I also think the people that are like vocally aggressive about their disdain for astrology are terrified of the lightness of the people that can articulate themselves within the universe. They're just fucking, they're fearful. The fact that, they haven't got a fucking clue. And also, you know, it's just that that is it.

They envy the articulation and their, like, ability to be able to just talk about themselves and how they feel and where their place is. Like, you don't see Virgo's beheading fucking Aquarius is. Like, if you're going to be vocal, why don't you talk about theology and the bastardization of all these books written by men that fucking castrate freedom so often? I still think faith is a beautiful thing. You know, like I said, I've come from Catholic background. I have friends from all religions.

I do. Like, not all. I'm not like fucking united colors of benefit. You know, Zara Astro. Yeah. My point being, like, I don't judge to them, but I think, you know, any belief system in the wrong hands turns into the wrong teachings.

That's it. Like, I'm just fucking respect each other. love is the most fucked up thing that has happened i feel in anyway my lifetime is that organized religion poisoned faith for people so hard that that we've become godless because of it and it's so fucking sad because that's what they took away from us because people now link faith and spirituality in God with with what organized religion did in the wrong ways. And instead of like a new thing kind of being formed, in most cases, people just turned away from it. And people are miserable because you need something.

You need faith. You need to feel connected to something bigger than you. And it's, I'm, I always feel that I keep predicting that church is going to come back. in a new way, but it hasn't happened yet. But I still think it might happen because we're so alone and so devoid of community. And churches did provide community. And if there could be like a new form of church that is like a little bit different than. Yeah.

I don't know. I'm still workshopping this. Maybe I'll start one. I mean, if you think about what you just said, if you replace godless with loveless and church with communion, then you realize that there are like, The world at the moment is a very loveless place. People are making loveless choices. Leaving the European Union was a lot of miseducated as in people were lied to by our government

in order to set a sense of fear of the other, the other being immigrants in our country, which is a complete lie. And there's so much evidence of the lies that, like, you know, there's a book called James O'Brien, by James O'Brien called How They Broke Britain. And it's infuriating to read, but also enlightening. But the basic premises are countries fucked because of lies and fear. Fear is the opposition of love and loveless choices come from people who just want to survive something. I think we are in a loveless time.

But behind the populace and the main narratives of all the shit, written by very greedy 1% people, there's a lot of love and there's a lot of communion. The problem is that those communions are separatist because they're all trying to protect their people. I think there is a time that will come where we realize that we're being lied to and the communion will grow. There's, you know, there's multiculturalism in many places and it's a beautiful thing, but it will grow with a sense of education. The information that we have at the moment on the internet basically is a cluster fuck. but underneath it all the human condition is a very simple thing and that is like love

it's just love is the energy there's a power source there and if you make choices with love love is a faceted thing it's patience it's grace it's commitment it's honesty it's empathy and all those things are empowering and when you go and you attack the world and you make relationships based on those things and you work hard at them, you can only come out with something far from this neoliberal capitalist nightmare we're in.

Yeah. Basically. But that, you know, that you can attach that with faith. Faith is the practice of unconditional love. And I think we're capable of it, absolutely. There's a really good book I just read called All About Love by Bell. Hooks. Bell hooks. I'm familiar. Yeah. No, I don't know.

Like this is, because we're being listened to as well. No, sure. Yes. And Bell Hooks, that is, she's the goat, if you will. Absolutely. She is. And, you know, so the book is about the idea that it's not just this abstract, waify noun. It's a fucking powerful verb and something you have to work towards and work with. So, you know, just go out. and read it, fuck the king. Yeah, I think one of the things

to bear in mind with the, like, people that will attack on that narrative of like love is the thing, for instance, that's in our new album. It's like, people are like, fuck you, you're fucking, all their stuff. And I get that. That's completely fine. But that's their insecurities coming out. And a loveless,

a loveless perspective that's just like cynical because they're not treated with respect and heard and loved and caressed and nurtured in their own realms. So fuck them, but also if you're open to conversation, not fuck them. Yeah, that's not their fault. No, I mean, it is and it isn't. You know, you've got to have accountability. If you're going to be an abuse and hunt online, then, you know.

Yeah, Catholic monk who sent me that email. You fuck that guy. But, you know, but like, no, I just think it's the same. that fear of astrology is saying it's fear of love like love is this like weakness and it's like you don't fall into love it's a powerful thing you have to work at and I love that idea and it really inspires me to punch monks in the face you know punch monks in the face you know punch month no it's true it's the thing is like it's the difference between scarcity and abundance right I think people that believe cynical people believe that there's not enough and so at every their

clawing and you know they come at it from that place but if you come at it from love like you're saying and God is just like shorthand for love you believe that in abundance you believe there's enough for everybody and there's so you act accordingly you know and and

your entire experience of the world is subjective so you do get to choose just choose how you experience it yeah which sounds easy but it's not no it's super hard I remember the first day I like had a different reaction to something after like many years of therapy and I was able to sort of

like not be cynical and not be self-loathing and I was like wait what and my therapist was like yeah like it's very simple but it's not easy it takes so much work to shift your perspective like incrementally over time yeah anyways joe you're a Virgo question number one since you're in astrology girly do you feel I can really see this because if Virgos are like obviously like very hardworking detail oriented high standards extremely attuned sense of taste but then leo's love attention this is a great placement for a front man of a rock band yeah also like you know when i found out that i was of more of ergo than a leo i always i grew up thinking i was a leo not that it really shaped anything but then when i was like oh shit i read the

fact like the facets of um vergo is like yeah that's definitely me people people mistake it but virgoes are incredible artists because they're it's ruled by mercury so it's a communicating a sign that's really good with communicating their um thoughts feelings intentions exactly all right number two joe talbot what have you eaten today it is uh 1140 a m where you are Nothing, just coffee. Joe, we just had this beautiful moment over raw milk. I was like, yes, this man is dedicated to his health. He slept 10 hours.

And it is 1140 and you haven't eaten one thing. Are you intermittent fasting? No. Well, I do that. I don't intermittent and fast. I just often wait until like lunchtime to eat because I feel that I have, I'm a very much a morning person. And I don't, I will, like if I'm doing a lot of. exercise or whatever.

Like, I cycle a lot and I do boxing. I do boxing. I box. If I'm sparring, I'll go in empty stomachs because you don't want, like, you don't get punched. Yeah. Yeah. But if I'm not sparring, I'll have like two eggs and an avocado.

But if I'm, yeah, I just, if I'm exercising, like cycling, I'll, I'll have a decent breakfast. Right. You need it for your carbs. You need to burn that. Not carbs. Cards slow me down, really. in the morning.

Let's have loads of fat. Not even fruit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's, I mean like, yeah. Even complex. Yeah. I'll have whole foods, basically. Joe, you and I really, on the same page.

Recently it was tracking my macros, if you will. And I was like, wow, I ate a lot of fat. And I was like kind of worried about it. But then I got, this is a humble brag and I'm really sorry. But it's just the truth. I got one of those scans where they like scan your body fat and your bone density and so like a body scan? I have a very low body fat.

I do not have a low body fat. I am fucking. That's surprising. You seem quite trim. I'm like one of those like kind of weird. Skinny, skinny fat? No, I'm not skinny that. I'm big.

I'm big. I'm just short. So I look like I'm not, but I am chubby at the moment. Okay. Well, you have gorge to me. Thanks, babe. I can only see you from the shoulders down, but you look great. Yeah, yeah, I'm a fucking mess with my boobs.

All right. Number three, Joe Talbot. Have you listened to music today? And if so, what was it? Yeah. These are parties and offices. They were playing some jazz. It sounded fucking great.

And I forgot to ask them what it was. That's it. Great. You're just in the office listening to the office jazz? I love that for you. I could have lied and said to me. really cool but I don't know no I appreciate the honesty number four Joe Talbot what is the first song that made a meaningful impact on you as a child heard it through the grapevine oh good what tell me

a little bit more what what like what did it activate in your child mind uh I remember it's like a sensory memory I was spinning on my I still have it in my house now my my my apartment so this big ass dining table that my mom and dad bought before I born. I was spinning on that. My mum had just polished it, so I was like, fucking going for it. My mum was cleaning the house and she listened to a lot of soul music. So I just remember the sensory memory is that I could hear. I mean, I always said it's the baseline. It is. It is. But I just remember that and feeling it. And that's something impactful for me. I feel music a lot. I visualized music as well. I visualized the music. That's, that's like,

synesthesia? Yeah. Or synesthesia as you see it as colors. No, no, no, no, no, no. Sinesthesia, you can, there's a million ways that basically your synapses have crossed. So you experience sensory things differently. So the, the channel. You feel like you have that maybe. I don't know. I spoke to someone about this. And if I said, say the name and sound like a cant. But it was someone famous. It was Rick Rubin. Yeah, yeah.

Why Rick Rubin? That's such a strange assumption. I literally don't know. I just came into my mind. Who, I don't know who's. Because I'm very like, it's because Nigel Godrich did your album. I feel like you're like in the upper echelon of like music tinseltown. You know what I mean?

And also Rick Rubin feels like someone who would talk about synesthesia. Like it's in his wheel. Yeah. It was Tom York. before we worked with even better even better not Thomas York

I love it okay yeah so we were at a festival in Portugal and it was Bowen's birthday and Tom York is Bowen's hero

very much the person that made him want to be a musician so obviously his birthday I was like you got to speak to him man this is crazy so we went over chat to him and he was lovely

and I remember something he just released and I was like, it just felt really synesthetic as an album. And he was like, that's really weird. I have synesthesia. And I was like, no shit. I was like, you write visually. And he was like, I don't know if he said he had synesthesia

or he definitely writes visually. And I was like, I write visually. That's crazy. And I don't have synesthesia though, no. I don't think, maybe I do like on a, you know, on the spectrum of synesthesia. On the, you're on the spectrum. I'm not going to start self-diagnosing and have like the synesthetic community fucking semilode.

Not the synesthesia community on TikTok. They're going to call you ablest. They're going to hit me with sounds. You should tell Bowen. This is a shameless self-promo, but again, it's my podcast. I did make a, I think it's eight hour long podcast about Radiohead if he's interested. He will be in one day, one day in the van. It's very good. It's called Bandsplayed. My other podcast, we explain bands. But the Radiohead episode, if I do say so, myself, is quite good.

Sick. I will also, I'm a fan as well, so I'll listen to that. Thank you. All right. Now we've gotten a Tom York in here. We're really cruising. No, wait, I wanted to tell you, you've heard obviously the Slits cover. Have I heard it through the Great Five? Oh, yeah, of course, yeah. Number one of the best cover. One of the best covers. Best cover. not best but like I kind of keep

like a list in my head all the time because I love covers because I think the ability to transform someone else's song into something new is so cool if I was a musician and wasn't tone deaf and could play the guitar which I can't do any of these things

I would just sit around all day and cover songs that's probably what I would do because it would be so fun but I love when people I get it's like what a good thing the problem with covering songs is this is the problem that I think it's the main problem is because it's so fun, it's often not good.

Oh, you mean your cover's not good because it's too fun. It's not hard enough. If a musician's having fun, it's often quite indulgent. Oh, I see. Okay, yeah. Like, it's a comfort. Obviously, I enjoy and have fun being uncomfortable,

writing, challenging, and playing live and all that shit. But there's a sense that like, it's like easy fun where you're like, but there are bands sick at it, like the Walkman, for example, they're really good at covers. Yeah, the Walkman.

I think my favorite cover I've been thinking about this while I was talking to about other shit. In the background. Well, I was not paying attention to you in the background. No, no, no, I was paying attention. You know, my back brain was like, good covers is the Wild Beast's singer. It might be Wild Beast,

but the singer of Wild Beast covering boy from school by Hot Chip. I've never heard that. It's fucking sick. Okay, I'm gonna look that up. You know what my favorite thing is? Not my favorite. That's a lie, but I'm just using a word to say a sentence.

Raw milk. Raw milk is my number one favorite thing. No, when you find out, when you like years later find out that a song that you love is a cover and you never know. Trilinga one Oh Kim Kim the Waitress

by Material Issue I did not know that was a cover I don't know what that is You don't know material issue I'll send it to Thank you

It's good All right Number 5 5 What is the first album You bought with your own Money Joe Talbot Or shoplifted

With your own two hands Uh Shoplifted was It was like a sheet It was like a sheet of like they're like blister packs

of jelly sweets shaped like monsters and I shoved it up my t-shirt An album but that's cool that you shoplifted candy my first album

was the Simpsons sing the blues on cassette on my fifth birthday on my fifth birthday I went to the shop on my own my mom let me go to the shop on my own and I mean like I walked for like five minutes on my own.

Is Bristol a safe place? I mean, not for a fucking five-year-old. That's crazy. She was like, okay, bye, see soon. It's the 80s, though. Everyone was fucking letting their kids run riot, man. Like, I was literally hanging out with kids sniffing glue at the back of my house. And so, like, five hours as a five-year-old, like, hey, let's hang out.

So, yeah, my mom was very amazing as a mother, by the way. It's just what you did in the 80s in Bristol. Yeah, no, it was different. It was a different. I used to like go to beavers on my own machine. It's so weird. Anyway, I went to the shop. I might have been with my mum, actually. She would have come with me because it was my birthday. I remember it being a lonely affair. No, I'm joking. So I went to the shop anyway on Sandy Park Row. And I bought Simpsons Sing the Blues because the Bartman was smashing the charts at the time. I listened to it very much. The first album I bought after that, was probably like Michael Jackson bad. Sure.

You're a little bit younger than me, I think. There's no way I'm younger than you. I think you are. I'm 30. Oh, yeah, I'm 41. Are you? That's right. Raw milk, babe.

Raw, fucking milk. I am on that. I mean, I also put, like, you know, smoke crack and... I did meth, babe. Okay, you can always turn it around. Not like, not regularly, just like once or twice in my youth. Okay, like let's not get it twice. Dad, if you're listening, I'm so sorry.

But like, just once or twice. And then I was like, let's not do that again. I get why people develop an entire second life. There's no caveats here. People I'm going to watch you think, hmm, now I don't trust her. Well, I've mentioned it several times on this podcast. Okay, sick. I'm looking forward to listening.

to more of your stuff. I've only just started a podcast last week. What are you listening to? The Rick Rubin podcast. That would be fucking funny if that was true, actually. I haven't yet, but I will. I will because, like, I also kind of, I'd love to work with him. Because his, like, this sounds like, no, it doesn't matter, caveats again.

So I say shit that he says a lot. And my friends are like, have you read Rick Ruben's book? And I'm like, no. It's just, it's the obvious shit, though. But it's like, if you're from that philosophy, it is like, clean shape, leave things behind, be yourself, like all this shit, whatever it is. So I'd love to work with him. But I don't know if that would work with the band because the other guys are so different to me.

You mean like, Bone would be like, get this fucking shit out of my face, bitch. I don't want a namaste. You know that what you mean? Exactly. He's about chaos. And like, he also, like, he also is about clean slates. Like he never wants to record in the same studio twice and stuff like that. So anyway, I'd love to work with Rick Rubin.

But anyway, if you're listening, Rick Rubin, which I know you listen to this podcast. I know you do, Rick. Richard. We see you, Rick. We see you, Rick. Lurking, babe. No, what? You're a Virgo, so you must listen to podcasts now.

You should because there's so much available, wonderful information for your information-seeking mind. Yeah. So I listen to Song Exploder because I. We were going to do one. You're going to love Bansplaine, babe. I must say no shade to Song Exploder, which is a great podcast. Too short. And how I learned that the Lumineers, it's too short.

Oh, yeah, it's too short. You want longer, babe? Yeah, yeah. Four hour episodes. We got you. Also, I have to say, I have a little Geneseecois that you won't find on many podcasts. You're very out of cool. Thank you.

I think you've got, you're like, you're the right amount of spice. Oh, my God. Thank you so much. much. You know, like, I'm not going to be like, you know, people, I think your mannerism is good for a first encounter is what I mean. The amount of spice you have is like, I'm not going to underestimate this person. They clearly are not to be fucked with, but are if you let them in, open and vulnerable.

It's, it's, you really nailed me. It's true. Charisma is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have, but I have it. Lana Delme. It seems to be working, my friend. Thank you, Joe Talbot. Okay, let's keep going because I know you have a short amount of time. It's a three months.

Blind boy. Blind boy. What's Blind boy? Should I listen to that? Yes. I don't know about it. Fucking hell. Fucking hell.

Is it a music podcast? It's a everything podcast. He's just fucking do it. It's insane. Is he English? Irish. I'm in, babe. Done. Say no more, fam. Like I said, I love the accents.

We'll listen all day long. It's magic. He's mind-blowing. It's just, he's very intuitive. He's a genius. He's also diagnosed autistic. So he has this incredible way of connecting things and telling you a narrative of information. And like, he's also fucking hilarious.

But it's all insightful and brilliant. Obsessed. He sounds amazing. Yeah, it's incredible. Okay. All right. Blind boy, on my way. Right after this podcast.

Number six, did anyone in your childhood ever tell you, you're never going to make it? No. No. Or something like that. No, wow. Okay, just hard no. Never.

What? No. They weren't like, don't do music. You need to be an engineer. For one reason and one reason I knew. I came into this world. my feet were backwards. I had 11 surgeries on my feet.

I was heavily overweight, but not once did I come at any... As a baby. Yeah, till I was eight. I had like 11 surgeries till I was eight years old. My feet were literally backwards. And it was the 80s. It took a while straight in the mouth.

But my mother brought me up and she's a fierce Welsh woman. She was. RIP to go. And, no, it's all good. She brought me up with fierce self-belief and an affectation for love and the power of love. She taught me that love will get you anything you fucking want if you manifest it correctly. And I never ever questioned or allowed people to question.

I was just me, fiercely me, and I was there with love. So I listened and I made people laugh and I made people enjoy themselves. to know. I was never talking to do shit. Fuck. This was me. I was like this when I was eight. You were like this when you were five and you were waddling down the street to buy the Simpsons

Dave. I was like cloring with my hands. Just ripping jokes. Yeah. That was me. Damn, that's so sick. Sometimes I wonder, because, you know, I'm a middling podcaster. I have some decent podcast success.

but I'm like, what could I have been? But as my grandfather loves to say, or he'd love to say he passed away many years ago, don't look back, you'll fall down. Exactly. That's a great one. My grandfather was the most interesting person alive, not the Dosakis man.

It was my grandfather. He left Tehran at, I think, like, 18 years old, didn't come back until he was 40. A lot of time where no one knows where he was, joined the merchant marine and moved to Africa. started a religion because he was a vegetarian not on purpose. People just followed him.

He had followers. He had a pet monkey. He got kicked out of the merchant marine for sleeping with the captain's wife. He was jailed for communism in Iran. Like, the coolest person that's ever existed. And then at 40, he just came back and was like, time to get married. Got married, had five kids.

Fuck. He sounds incredible. Dude. Like, one of my, not even dream. but I think my obligations in this life is to write a book about him because like that neat that like story needs to be told but it's like so hard to piece together because he lived to be 90 oh my god was he 98 yeah and but he died when I was 18 so like it's been a long time you know I fucking I love that that's incredible also fucking shout out to all the Persians in the world you have the best food and often the best

Well, I don't know. I think all people have good and bad people amongst them, but... Yeah, but, you know, I fucking... What's that, what's the rice dish? The crispy rice dish. Which one? Tadig. Tadig. Yeah. It literally means the bottom of the pot is what it translates to.

Yeah, it's the best. It's like our French rice. It's the best thing in the world. And what's that chicken and egg salad? Oh, Salad de Lviet. That's actually Russian, I believe, that we stole it. I think so, yeah. Fuck it. All the best stuff is, Sala.

Really good. Okay. Number seven, Joe Talbot. When is the last time you lied? Yesterday. Who did you lie to? And what did you say? Well, you have a child.

I feel like people have children just lie all the time because you have to. No, no, no. That's a complete falsity. And you are... You don't lie to your child. No, fuck no. Do you know why? Because it just continuously bites you in the ass. I read a bunch. I read like three books on parenting. And like if you build them up with falsities, you're even making them vulnerable or yourself vulnerable. You like dishonesty is fucking bullshit with your children. You need them to know and trust you completely. That's how.

when something bad happens to them when they're 20 years old they will come back to you. They know you are fucking the truth. If you lie to your children at any age, you're setting yourself up for the wrong foundations, man. It's important.

Like, even just the power of pronouns. So like, I want you to get down from there because it's unsafe. If you say, that's not a toy, we don't play with that. bullshit, you're not accountable for your comment. You say, I want you to leave this thing because it's not yours. And if you break it, I'm going to have to pay for it. And that's not good for either of us.

Can I give you something else to play with? I can see your board. I can empathize with you. This is why I feel that you would be better off doing this, whatever. But take accountability. Don't fucking lie to them ever. It's pointless. They're like, they're not going to learn that way.

That's like. It's true. Be like, oh. And they'll resent you when they find out that you lied. They'll be like, yeah. Like, what's the point? It's weird. I'm a stupid bitch.

Yeah, yeah. But like, what would you lie to them about? Did you trade drugs when you were younger? I did, yes. But when you're old enough to understand the differences between these things, we talk about it. But for now, trust me, don't fucking touch drugs. Yeah, I think that depends. I don't have kids, but my cousins.

do and my cousin has two teenage daughters and then one of them just like what you're saying like she's me like I think she's 15 or 16 and she asked me she was like did you drink in high school and I was like I'm going to tell you the truth I did drink in high school but I wish I hadn't like and I'm being completely honest with you I did nothing good came of it I didn't make any good choices from it I was too young to be understanding what that did to you and if I had to do it over again, I wouldn't. I just didn't have the self-possession to know that. And so I'm going to tell you, you make your own choices, but that was my experience. I wish I would have waited longer because it's a challenging thing for someone young to like take that on. And I think like they appreciate

that because instead of being like, no, because I said so. Well, also no because I said so is a cancerous fucking comment. Because what you're doing is you're constantly. setting up the perspective of boundaries with your relationship, that they then carry on to other relationships. No, because I told you, if you then, your 13-year-old daughter's gone out with a 16-year-old man and it's not because I told you, you set up, if you respect your child to know,

and you give them the respect by giving them the correct and honest information, they know the boundaries and they carry those solid, proper boundaries with them through other relationships, they also respect other peoples, because they know what boundaries are. If you fucking create all these weird, like, archaic fucking, like, mysticism. And I'm not talking about faith.

I'm talking about solid rules that keep you safe until you're able to make your own decisions. You're setting them up for failure, for sure. Yeah. But you know what, Joe Talbot, no matter what you do. do you're going to fuck your kids up because that's the human experience. 100%. That's right.

But it's okay. You can do it the best way you know how. If I drop kick my child over a fucking fence, that's my choice. I don't have an opinion about that personally as a non-parent. Just so you know, all the listeners out there, I have not drop-kick my boots back yet. Yet. We'll see if she gets bad. 24.

Number eight, Joe Talbot. What character in a book or a film do you relate to the most and why? It's a hard one. Well, especially because I don't read. You just said you just read All About Love by Bell Hooks. It's really hard because I'm illiterate. But I did listen to Catcher in the Rye on audiobook. Well, yeah, audiobooks are great as well, isn't it?

that's still listening to a book. Oh, fuck. It's a really hard one. I understand. Well, I tell you what it's hard. It's because, like, I haven't really seen myself in any characters in a book that I've read. That's a good answer.

I mean, like. You haven't felt represented. Well, maybe that's because I'm so confident in my own narrative. I'm like, I'm like this fucking arrogant, self-obsessed narcissist. There's plenty of book characters like that as well. Yeah, it is. Okay, yeah, we'll go with that. Rabbit in Rabbit Run.

Thanks for asking. Oh, Rabbit Run. Damn, I haven't read that since high school. It's sick. I fucking love my book. That's good. You're right. I'm going to have to go back and revisit.

You know, a fragile ego of a child in a child in a man's body wanting to move right decisions. I dated him. Yeah. I dated him. Yeah.

So we got that. Rub it, rub it. Okay. That's good. All right. Number nine, Joe Talbot.

What is your biggest sliding doors moment? As in if you had made another choice, you wouldn't be here right now in the partisan office listening to jazz music. Well, I mean,

it probably would have been... Go on. Okay. No, go on. Are you going to say sobriety? No. Oh, because many people who get sober, which I totally understand, because that's a very, that's like probably the most obvious answer to it.

But like, let's put that one aside. What's another one? The problematic thing with that would be that you assume, one would assume or portray that sobriety is a single moment. It's fucking forever. Exactly. It's an endless choice over and over and over again, much like love. Yeah, I think there's a couple of near-death experiences with like,

drugs and alcohol but those weren't choices that you made right I mean I guess they were you chose oh yeah yeah no I mean the things I nearly did or didn't do or did you know but they didn't shoot me do you know what I don't know I don't

because I don't really think that I would have done anything I'll tell you what having the the vision I got very angry at a band that I watched in Camden

that made me just like, why is it that all these bands get the opportunity to be on stage and make music and have an audience and they look so fucking bored. I was sick of it. They're all just imitating the strokes who were fucking incredible.

But that was them. They were being them. Whereas so many other bands are like, I'm fucking sick. And you're like, no, you're not. You're boring. Go fuck yourselves and give me your guitar. And then I realized,

so I wanted to start a band, which I never would have, I don't know why I did it, but I did it. Other than I wanted to feel that magic that certain bands give. So starting a band would be the obvious one and kind of boring. What band made you so mad that you started a band? Are you allowed to name names? No, I think that's bullshit as well. Like, giving other people negative energy, it stays with you.

I agree. I just love gossip. I'm on a, yeah, anything. I'm on the racine, the end of it enough to know that, like, it's just pathetic. It's pathetic because it's also like, why are you so obsessed with me, babe? Why don't you think about something else? Yeah, yeah. And like, that's what I think.

It takes just as much energy. Yeah, exactly. Instead of me just going around, like, telling everyone what a shit band they were, I was like, fuck these guys. And then when I started a band, that's what you should do. If you think you can do better, go ahead. Go ahead. Go on fucking do something with your life.

instead of going on the internet, bitching, your pathetic worms. Correct. Get a life, core. Okay, gorgeous. Love that answer. Number 10. The worst one of the rat is the other bands. They're the worst.

You're like, make a better song. You fucking loses. Well, yeah, also, like, why do you care? But it's, it's an important self-reflective moment. When people annoy you, activate you, or you're envious, it's so much information for yourself about something about you. So they annoy you or they piss you off. That's your shadow.

What about them is representing something in yourself that you hate about yourself always? And if you're envious, it just means there's an unlived potential in you that you're not doing. And so you see someone else living it and it's making you want. It's just information. So just take all the information and go do something with it instead of like tapping on your fucking keyboard. that's not something. Okay, number 10,

do tell a bit, what characteristic are you most drawn to in other people? Okay, it would be a peaceful affection. Peaceful affection. You know, that sense of like a welcoming that's not in any way aggressive, but just like, hey, come in. Right, okay, so what you're saying.

Like, not a desperate wanting, but a simple, self-possessed openness. Yeah. Yeah. Love that. Gorge. Number 11, Joe Talbot.

Who is the last person you met that you were star-struck by? You're in a big rock band. You'd be hobnobbing, rubbing elbows. Mm-hmm. Other rock bands and celebrities probably. I mean... Probably a bunch of British celebrities. I don't know who they are.

No, no. The thing is, it's not, I'm not, like, we're not one of the, those bands that like welcome celebrity we're not interested. I genuinely am at home looking after my four-year-old daughter all working. That's what I do. I don't like I don't go out anymore. I don't like I'm not interested in any of that shit. But not to say I haven't met obviously because of our trade.

I meet loads of sick musicians. And the Walkman were the last band that I, you know, I started a band. I love the Walkman. That's very cool. Yeah, I love them. They're the reason I started a band. So like one of them, they weren't a band that were on stage. They're the band that I looked up to and gave me the hunger to make something great.

Yeah, so the Walkman. Often when you meet people that you were inspired by, it can be a letdown. So I'm really glad that meeting the Walkman was satisfying because you never know how it's going to go. People can make the most gorgeous art you've ever experienced in your life. And then you meet them and you're like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a disappointed by any musicians, though, but I have been disappointed, yeah.

I have been. I sure have. But I don't care. It doesn't make me experience their art any differently. Okay, number 12. When was the last time Joe Talbot that you slid into someone's DMs? Do you do that? Do you have Instagram?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I don't know if I ever have. I've had my DM slipped into, obviously. Well, I mean, it doesn't, sure. That's the other reason you started a band besides to do interviews for three months was to get your DM slid into. No, I'm joking. I know that that's not why you started a band, although I do think that's why everyone's why everyone's.

Literally why anyone does anything. Yeah, exactly. This is all part of it. Maybe like. I don't even have, it doesn't even have to be sexually. It could be like, hey, I love your music, XYZ. Let's make a build or whatever. I don't do any of that.

You don't do network. Yeah, I hate all that. I hate messaging. I don't read texts. I don't do WhatsApp messages. I'm terrible all that. I'm so bad. But yeah.

You don't use text messages? You don't do text messages? I'm not really. You get hold of me. He just called me. I'll answer. That's the thing. I'm reliable.

Just don't text. But all my good people know that. Maybe two years ago. King shit. Who was it? A girl. I won't get into it, but I do believe Instagram is the only acceptable dating app. Yes.

Yeah, it really is. Yeah. Okay. Gorge. Number 13. What's the horniest song ever in your personal opinion? Honey, genuine. You're not the first person to say that.

And it is a really, it's an extremely horny song. You're so right. It's in the pantheon. He's fucking sexy. The lyrics are sexy. The song's fucking awesome. It's the cadence of it or it's a fucking song. It's just what it is.

It's the cadence. It is like it has the cadence of fucking. Some songs are horny because of the like lyrical composition. And some songs are horny literally on every level. And that one really is more. It's a four play song. I'm going to take time to think about that. Me too.

Okay. Number 14. Joe Talbot. What is the biggest money you've ever turned down? Man, this is going to be a good answer. Idols be principled. There's probably like a laundry list of things you guys said no to. Well, here's the thing, though, because of our forthright messaging, we don't get offers of shit.

You know, we're not like, no, we're not doing that. They don't want to put you in the Carls or commercial or whatever. We don't get those offers, so we haven't. You guys should do an ad for the hobo. juice. What was it called again? But fast-a-timey-time. Yes. You should approach it them. Yeah, we'd have to.

Like, buy a pigeon because we don't have the internet. Okay, number 15. Joe Talbot, what is the best live music concert that you've ever been to or seen? I believe there's two categories here. Okay. Hit me. There's festival and there's venue. I agree. Festival Blur at Glastonbury.

I wasn't like a massive fan of Blur. I love Blur, but like I didn't realize how much of a massive fan I was until that show. But it was, it was, it was transcendent. It was insane. It's just the best show I've ever seen. Because of the people, the people, you were just in this thing. I was, you know, I was on ecstasy. I want to go to Glastonbury.

I was supposed to go last year, but. And can I just say this is if I had, we'll cut this out later if they say I can't say it. But I had a full, all access. I was supposed to go with the Arctic Monkeys because I'm friends with Matt Helders, the gorgeous drummer. And I couldn't, it was too complicated to get there. I was like, I'm sorry, babe, I can't do this. I don't know, what am I supposed to do, hire a fucking, I don't have it like that.

Like, I have to take a bus and a train and then there's a camping. I'm, this is not happening. So I didn't go. But I do really want to go. It's a dream of mine. it's one of these things that people are quite sanctimonious about but like they judge it like the people like judge Coachella no they're like no no no no it's the opposite of Coachella but because of that it has people are like what you haven't been to glass for my god it's like oh my god it's so good and you're like yeah it is it's the best place on earth if you do it right 100% right okay I'll go with idols next time you guys but we're very twisted there are a lot of people there that are like they're to be seen and ruining it in a way, but you can find the

best place on it. Easily. It's the best place on it. When you guys play, I'm going to need you to take me with you on the bus, though, because I can't figure out how to get there. So just promise me I can come in the bus. Make it so.

Gorgeous. Okay, second category, club show. The OCs at the Apollo in Barcelona. Yes, bitch. That's my guys. John Dwight. I've seen the OCs play a hundred times. Those are my dogs. Dan Ringcon, shout out guys.

They're the, in my opinion, one of the best live acts of my lifetime. They're a fucking insane live. Yeah. They are also transcendent for very different reasons. And are everything I wish I could emulate and embody as a live artist. They are incredible. They're so good. They're violent.

Remember they played cello one year? and John being John God bless him like refused all of their like instructions for the stage and insisted that they play in like a very small area in the middle of this age it was when Bridget was still in the band playing keys it was so sick

that's right Ted help it you fucking get it they are without one of the best to ever do it so if you have the opportunity fucking two drummers bitch bye it's it'll It'll get you. They do it because it's

fucking better. No, it's better. It is. It's totally better. We couldn't do it. Well, don't underestimate yourself in the future. Perhaps you'll write some music that requires two drummers. You never know. Delta 5 had two bassists. That really worked.

We got two bassists. Oh, great. We didn't. Not all the time. We have a song on the new album that's two bass. Hell yeah. Is it the one that? I like that I said it fucking goes. Is it a gift horse? No. Whoops.

Famously, I don't know much about music, despite being a literal podcaster about music. Well, that's why you're a fan. Why you're a good fan is because you're not lumbered or anchored with... Literally. I don't want to know what a chord progression is. What the fuck does that have to do with me? It's none of my business. I just want to experience the music. Okay. Number 16, Joe Talbot. What is your greatest vice? Greatest vice Yeah, currently Greatest vice

Is in the best vice or the worst vice The most vice After addiction Yes, after currently Because you're not partaking though Yeah, but I'm always addicted But yeah, no, that's another boring one Like jealousy

Jealousy Jealousy That's not a vice jealousy. Now jealousy is a reaction to vices. Insecurity. Yeah, good one. But again, it's, insecurity is also just information, right? I think if we're able to have grace and like self-love enough to not judge ourselves for being insecure, then we can be like, okay, where is this coming from? How can I meet myself where I'm at so that I can feel secure? Okay, then selfishness, because that comes from selfishness, right? I'm just, I need to be more aware of the people around me and care more about

others. It's a selfish. I've only talked to you for 90 minutes, but you seem, you seem like you care about other people. Oh yeah, I do. From the way that you are speaking. Completely. All right. Number 17 and 18, Joe Talbot, these are tandem questions. What do you love the most about being famous and what do you hate the most about being famous? I can't wait to hear the answers on this one. The most about being famous is the avenue to meet people. To slide into people's DMs. No, no, no, no.

I'm just kidding. What I mean by that, because people feel they know me, they are more open to themselves being honest for whatever reason. Actually, no, I'll tell you what, it's being able to tour the world with my mate. That's the honest answer. It's like, but really it's that sense of like fame, if it's not about the job, fame, the essence of fame that works for me

is that I get to meet people that I look up to and it gives me a platform to meet like people on a kind of even keel and people who are opening themselves up to me more. Maybe that's a narrative I created the art as well, but that's number one. The thing I hate the most is for the same, reason people think they know me so they tell everyone what my intentions are and that makes me want

to put my hand through their eye socket yeah but you know what joe told it what people think about you what people think about me none of our business no it's not no i'm just saying like my initial reaction put my hand through their eye socket second reaction is fucking it's my fault for putting stuff out there in the I can't make art and then be upset that people read it. That's stupid. I mean, that's the reason people don't make art. It's why people are so scared of being

both misunderstood and understood. I think people are equally scared of both. They're afraid of being seen. Part of putting things out there in the world is also making yourself open to being seen fully and that's scary as fuck, bitch. Yeah, yeah. can be. But after that, it's the most enlightening and beautiful thing ever.

Like, always go full tilt. I used to have to listen to my own episodes of the other podcast, four hours long of me being annoying. And I, and at first I was like, oh, like, my voice is so annoying. And then it got to be like, my thoughts and feelings are so annoying. Interesting. That's crazy. And then I just, like, that like, like, meme where you just like, galaxy brain. And then I was just like, who cares? It was like, I was like Guantanamo of like radical self-acceptance. Like listen to yourself for four hours every week. There was no, I was like, who cares, bitch?

You don't like it? Fucking goodbye. Have a gorgeous life. You like it? Amazing. Stay here with me. I don't care anymore. Number 19, Joe Talbot.

This is the wild card. We're so close. We only have five more questions. I asked this on the last episode, so I'm going to ask it again. I think I'm using this for my own. Speaking of being selfish. given what you've gleaned from this conversation, what kind of man do you think I should date? A confident one.

You're like, because you're a lot. No, because the same thing you said earlier, a lot of men have fragile egos and someone who is driven, who works hard, who is intelligent and outspoken can threaten someone. of a small ego or a huge ego, depending on how you look at it. But my thing is if you are with someone who has their own narrative and is confident, they're not going to be threatened by yours and will in fact challenge you in a good way, in a productive way, because they love you, because they actually want you to flourish, not because they want to keep you as you are, but because they want to see you move. So confident.

I love that. It is funny because I think people misunderstand the point of relationships, which is like they get too much into the like desperation of like, oh, it's going to fix my life, which is like nobody's going to fix your life. You fix your own life. But there is a value of relationships that you can't get on your own, which is exactly what you said. It's self, it's growth. It's self-actualization. You can only self-actualize so far on your own. You need to push up against another person. It's like two coins rubbing against. other. Yeah. Right at my pony. Okay, anyways, moving on. Number 20, Joe Talbot, when was the last time you cried? Yesterday. Are you going to tell me what it was about or this is

private? No, crying is not a private affair. I cried because I was singing a gospel on Sirius X FM or something. You cried while you were performing? Wow. Yeah, I always cry when I'm performing. Babe, I've never, okay, can we be honest now that we're friends? I've never gone to an idol's show. To be quite honest, this is the first album I've heard. I don't know what happened to me. I just never heard any idols music. Now I'm a huge fan. This album is incredible. I'm going to go back and listen to the rest of them. But I didn't, I knew, did this ever happen to you or like, you hear about something and you're like, that's cool. That's none of my business. And I don't know why. For whatever reason. I was like, what are the idols? That sounds cool. None of my business.

never got into it. And now I'm so into it. Biggest fan. We're going to Glastonbury together. We're best friends. Look at that. Life really comes at you so fast. You really Trojan horse me.

I know. I'm sorry. Here's the thing. I couldn't start out telling you. I wasn't that from like, I did read a bunch of interviews and listen to a bunch of music. And I listened to the singles off the old albums because I do my research. But I didn't come in being like your biggest fan.

No, no, no. I like, I'm not interested in that. I know you're not. But I just wanted to be honest. As in like, we're having a conversation because you're good at your job and I'm good at mine. But I make very, you know, it's not cornflakes. It's, oh, you're saying it's like not for everybody. Yeah.

But, you know, but I love guitar rock music and I'm very committed to the cause of guitar rock music being furthered in the world. And honestly, Idles is one of the last bands that has reached a certain level in the recent past of guitar rock music. Because it doesn't really happen that much anymore with guitar rock music. It seems to be actually mostly focused in England. You guys still really love guitar rock music. So it elevates to a more level. No, no, no, no, no, no. Think about it.

You guys, Arctic Monkeys, Fontaine's D.C. I can't even think of an American rock band that is as contemporary. that has reached that level. Killers, I guess. Fontaine's in Ireland, there's a really good movement of guitar music in Ireland. But in England, we're kind of, there's not much, there's loads of great guitar bands. There's not much in the populace. We wouldn't get on Radio 1, for instance, and stuff like that. So, yeah, it's like, I think we're understood and accepted more in Europe, mainland Europe, and the States.

But we're never going to be like on the same level as like Taylor's love at the moment. Cizza. Oh God, Siza, babe. I was so happy. I was so happy with watching her win her Grammy. I didn't know that, but I'm just so happy listening to that fucking those two records.

She's incredible. Okay. Home stretch. Number 21. Joe Talbot. This question is usually what is your greatest regret, but actually I stopped asking that because most people don't have regrets. and I can tell you're a person that doesn't have regrets so that I've changed the question.

I can tell you one. Tell me. I'll do both. I'll do both. The biggest regret is doing cocaine. This is what you'll tell your children. 100%. It's a fucking stupid shit drug.

Next. It really is a stupid shit drug. And it's crazy how much we were like, no, let's do it again. But it's like, it lasts 10 minutes. It sucks. It makes you feel like fucking death. It's not even fun like the other drug. It's not even like,

mushrooms or like my favorite 2CB that doesn't really exist anymore. Like fun psychedelics, best drug on the fucking. Yeah, it's the best. Number one best drug on. No one will ever understand that it was literally. Just what a dream. It's kind of like acid and ecstasy. Exactly.

It was like ecstasy mixed with like, it was like if psychedelic was a cocaine. But none of the cocaine bad and no come down. And just like you love everybody and you laugh and dance. It was the best. Sorry to be triggering to the whole facts. addicts we don't do that anymore no we're sober because it's well i'm not sober you're sober no i still i still um ecstasy and mushrooms and acid uh and obviously psychedelics that i haven't done i'm not going to say no to in the future maybe ecstasy just because it could be a bad pill and

i've got a kid i don't know if i did so much ecstasy and high school i just sell it in single like full broke down palace the fact that i didn't go to jail set 17 years old. I'm dealing ecstasy. I actually just, just for the sake of anticsia, I'd say all drugs are bad. All drugs are bad, right? Except for excee, which is so fun

because then you have like these heartfelt conversations for like hours while you like drink orange juice and like rub Vicks vapo rub on your chest. Anyways, I think mushroom is a better alternative to what we're talking about. I agree. I agree. That's really the only drug I still do is mushrooms because I think it's like It's not even a drug. That's like a spiritual practice.

Well, the alternate question, but we already talked about it, was Dave Matthews band. It's what's your relationship to Dave Matthews band? You already expressed me that you don't really have one, but you're going to do, you're going to look into it and you're going to perhaps develop one. I'm an excited tourist. That's what I am with David. All right. Number 22, Joe Talbot, what song would you like to hear just before you die?

Oh, that's a good. Good one. Thank you. Today, it might be different to others, you know. Okay, let's say you're going to die tonight. What are we putting on the fucking sonos? There's a track that I rediscovered that I love. Try a little tenderness by Otis Redden would probably be

or Bad Girl by Lee Moses. I mean, I'm not going to look for you, Spotify. That's weird. Well, you had two good answers. We'll take them. Try a little tenderness by Lee Moses. By, Oh.

No, it would be a theme for picnic, the film, by 101 Strings Orchestra. Okay. And I'm not familiar with this, so I'll have to look it up afterwards. About that. Okay. To See More Light by Colin Stetson. That's my fond. Oh, my God.

I love Colin Stetson. That's a good one. Damn, that guy is. That guy is yoked. I wonder if he drinks raw milk. All right. Number 23. Yeah, he's so buff.

I interviewed him at Pitchfork Fest like many years ago and I was like, Jesus Christ, these guns. Okay. Number 23, Joe Talbot. What do you think about me? A lot. Go on. Do go on.

I think you're a very funny, dynamic, insightful person that makes you a good interviewer. yeah, I think your bright is the best adjective I could use. Thank you so much, Joe Talbot. Do you like that I use my platform to interview musicians to somehow figure out what they think about me? Yeah, smart.

Thanks. Yeah, when else am I going to have this opportunity? All right, last question. Number 24, Joe Talbot, what do you want to plug? She's fine now. Hell yeah, Joe Talbot. Let's fucking go. That's right. That's my guy. Also, since he's not going to say it, new idols album. Check it out.

It's so fucking good. It's called it. That's right now. That's right. Hank album's out now, yeah. No, it's not. He's out soon. When is it actually out?

I think it's next week, right? Yeah, soon. Yeah, it'll be out. It'll be out by the time this comes out. On Platon's on Records. All right. Out soon. Partisan Records.

Thank you, Joe Talbot. I had a real great time with you. Good luck with the rest of it. What? That was really funny. Those listening, fireworks appeared. Yeah, Joe Talbot did a double thumbs up and fireworks appeared on the screen. All right, come back next week for a new episode of 24 question party people.

Much luck. Thanks for listening to 24 question party. Thanks to my guest, Joe Talbot. Idol's new album, Tink, is available everywhere this Friday, February 16. Visit idols band.com for upcoming portals. This episode is produced by Jesse Miller-Gordon and Olivia Prairie with help from Justin Sails. Our gorgeous theme song was composed by Heather Fortune. Special thanks to Nicholas Sultor, Sean Fennessee, Rob Parvilla, and Bad Bats Maroo.

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