Bandsplain - 24 Question Party People: Justice

Episode Date: March 26, 2024

This week on '24 Question Party People,' Gaspard and Xavier of Justice drop by to discuss their new album, 'Hyperdrama'; what they’ve been up to for the past eight years; and why making music is self-indulgent and that’s OK. Plus, the joys of walking around without headphones and their take on the Jack Matthews Band. All that and more this week on '24 Question Party People.' Host: Yasi SalekGuests: Xavier de Rosnay and Gaspard Augé of JusticeProducer: Jesse Miller-GordonAssociate Producer: Chris SuttonAdditional Production Supervision: Justin SaylesTheme Song: Hether Fortune Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Have you ever wondered about the meaning behind your favorite song lyric or why certain melodies make your skin tingle? I'm Cole Kushner and these are the kinds of questions I try to answer on Dissect, a podcast that dives deep into one album per season examining the music, lyrics, and meaning of one song per episode. I've dissected full albums by Kendrick Lamar, Radiohead, Tyro the Creator, Beyonce, Kanye, and more. Our latest season just launched all about MF Doom's Mad Villany. Listen to Dissect wherever you get your podcast because great art deserves more than a swipe. 24 question party people Hello and welcome to 24 question party people

I am your host Yossi Salick This is a show where I invite an interesting person or people on for a little talk I ask the same 23 questions every time more or less plus one wild card I guess is allowed to skip one question Sometimes the questions change a little Say love you babe Okay so do you guys remember my quest to repair my broken brain

via gaining control of my use of social media and email that I only briefly mentioned several weeks ago and then never followed up on. Yeah, well, I failed at that. I failed miserably, actually, if you must know. And I'm here to be accountable to you guys and to myself. Listen, the intention was pure and good, okay? I just lacked a plan.

I didn't have a plan. I did not have an actionable, whatever the fuck. So I am back to try again. I just literally cannot live anymore with my fucking pinball brain all day pinging back and forth from Instagram to email to Twitter to Google Doc to email to Twitter to Google dot to Instagram, et cetera, et cetera until I fucking die. Or until, you know, I'm like, oh, look at that. The work day is over and I've done like 25% of what I needed to do that day. I heard on a recent Andy Hube's pod about deep work that it takes 15 minutes to like get really into any type of work that you're trying to do and every time you like task switch like I don't know maybe like opening

Instagram for like the 50th fucking time like a fucked up dopamine-seeking rat the clock starts over I can't fucking take it anymore I can't take it anymore I can't even believe I get as much as I do with my current method, TBQH. Imagine if I had discipline. I could be like call her daddy or something. Well, Gal Godot voice, babe. It's time to imagine, okay? It's time to imagine.

Imagine there's no Instagram on my phone because I deleted that bitch. It's easy if you try, babe. It's actually only easy now because I did delete that bitch. And my new life, here's the actionable plan. My new life involves downloading it once, maybe twice a day to go ahead and post, do a little peruse, perhaps fire off a DM or two, then off it fucking goes again. Obviously, I still need to tap in here and there to remind you guys

about obscure 90s alternative rock songs to post selfies of my outfits and, you know, a few memes here and there. But I think twice a day is more than enough. I don't care what you do, okay? This is not about you. This is about me. I've been doing this about a week now. And for the first few days, I kept picking up my phone, just over and over, like a fucking zombie, to open Instagram. It's not even there. It's so dark. And I deleted Twitter now, too.

So now I, like, even, you know, barely even pick up my phone because it's fucking boring. What am I going to do? Look at Venmo. I did look at Venmo for a while. Check my fucking email. Who cares? I did keep TikTok on there because I'm a very focused TikTok user.

You guys, I have my special TikTok time, like once a day where I just really get in there. Okay, sound on, like not sound off. I am immersing myself for 30 to 40 minutes. And that's very precious to me. That's really a spiritual practice. I'm actually literally moments away from strapping that fucking ringlight to my iPhone and filming some sort of dumb, like, unboxing or like, here's what supplements I take in a day type shit. But I have been holding myself back. actually this impulse and the psychology behind why I have not done this, I'm going to save that for next week's monologue because this is getting kind of long and I do have a lot to say about that. I have no way to tie this intro into today's interview, except maybe by saying that I have long been familiar with social media. This isn't new. I'm not new at this, okay? I was one of the first 2,000 people on my space. is that. My guests today were probably on there too back then, although I forgot to ask them about that. They were definitely up in Cinnis space with me though, babe, with my Janet from Threys Company,

Mollett haircut, my American Apparel Legings, and of course DJ Them jeans, shout out, my elite podcasting brethren. Anyway, we've all grown and matured since then. We've gotten better haircuts. My interview today is with Gaspar and Xavier of Justice, Babe, Justice. They have an incredible new album out soon with collaborations with Conan Mockazin, Miguel, and fucking Tame and Paula, babe, because they've grown and matured also. And because I guess I'm a robot was busy. I'm just kidding. The album rules, they rule, they were even lightly tolerant of Bonge, which was honestly kind of surprising. Here is our talk. You guys, Bonge.

This is a Bonge episode because we have with us just. I saw in an interview that you named it justice so that American people can say it justice, and we don't have to be like, justice, like, we're like pretending to be French. But I know in France, they say justice. So I'm just trying to be bilingual here. Yeah, in France, they even say justice. What? How dare they? Yeah.

You know, in France, who are not very advanced in English, I hope it's going to be okay for the podcast, by the way. No, I'm a big fan of non-advanced French ESL English. You guys, before we start, I just have to show you something really funny. Who's that? You guys can't see because this is an audio-only podcast. Sarah Nataf took this picture of us because she said she thought we looked like twins. This is at Halle's House.

It's true. It's true. You should make a band together. Yeah, me and Gaspar have like, there's a certain Geneseecois about our faces, I think, that is a similarity. I'm really excited to talk to you guys. The new album, Babe. Hyperdrama, fourth album, out April 26. I listen to it. It's very good. Thank you.

Thank you. You have Tame and Paula on there, which I'm going to be honest with you guys, and I know this is, well, for my listeners, you don't know me, but it's out of character. I don't know much about Tame and Paul. For some reason, like, that's a band I've completely, and I'm a guitar rock girl. Like, that's my thing.

But I don't know why I've missed it, but you guys have made me want to check out this little indie band, Tame and Paula. Yeah, you should. That's a couple of good songs, yeah. We have a couple of good songs. I'll give it it. give it a go. All, because I must tell you, all the songs are good, and I like that it's like a one,

I listen to it in the car on like a drive start to finish because I feel like that's how you should listen to albums. And it's very nice as like a piece. But that song Incognito, that's my jam. That's the one I really got me. I like put that one on like three or four times. Not cruey? Real bop.

Okay. What did I want to ask you? Well, two things. One is, what have you guys been doing? for the last eight years. We, yeah, okay, eight years ago, so we released our previous album that was called Woman. Yes.

And 2016 to 2018, 19, we toured. Then we worked on a woman worldwide that was kind of the live album of this tour. Then after that, we made a film that was called Iris, that was a document. I was not a film about the tour, about our stage setup at the time. That pushed us to like 2019. Then Gaspar made a solo album. Very good. I listened to it this morning.

And after that, there was like a quick pandemic, a quick world pandemic. And then we started working on our album. It was a small pandemic. Yeah, a small. Tiny. I read in an interview that you guys said, something that I'm so fucking obsessed with, which is that you only work every other week. Can you tell me more about this? I want to get on this program. It's so sick. How did you

decide this schedule? We decided that after having kids. Oh, sure. Your dad's. Yeah. And yeah, that's like, that's a good rule. So we know that whatever happens, we still like spend time with the kids and not indulge completely. in music, which is like the most self-indulgent activity that we know of. You think making music is self-indulgent. It is completely self-indulgent. It's like the act of making music and releasing an album is indulging into yourself so much that you think, oh, that's what I think about music.

I'm going to propose it to the world to see if they agree with me or not, you know, that's, this is what it is. It's an interesting way to think about art. I mean, I respect that. I think podcasting is way more self-indulgent because it's not even making a piece of art. It's being like, hey, every week, here's my thoughts. And I would like you to listen to them. That's exactly the same.

Like a podcast or painting, a book, a film, a piece of music. Here is my thoughts. Guys, let me know what you think of it, you know? What do you think is the difference between making like an art? in terms of self-indulgence and like posting on social media. Because that's obviously like the peak of self-indulgence, but it has very little value. Yeah, actually this is also why we like to take time to do things. Because like now that today everybody is obsessed with content.

Yeah. And the content, it can be interesting. I'm not like anti-social media. But it's just important, like, to let things rest a bit before you propose them to the world. Because today we are so surrounded by like disposable amateur content. Yeah, totally. Then it's kind of interesting to do things and then reassess them like two days or two years after and see if they're still relevant. But mind you, we love also some.

amateur content. Not for real. There's like especially in pictorial art. And there's a lot of things that we are attracted to that are very, very brute and amateur. Sure.

I mean, we love the, we love punk music. We love the punk aesthetics. We love the gesture of amateur artists. Yeah. With no irony at all. Yeah. No. I mean,

I think there's like a different kind of value to that. I have another podcast called Bansplane where we explain bands. And I always love to talk about the first albums of a lot of rock bands because sometimes they're the best ones because they don't know what they're doing. And there's like magic in that because they don't overthink it. They're not like, oh, we need to add violins here. Like there needs to be, you know, 10 different guitar tones. It's just like really pure. So it has like an immediacy that you can't replicate when you know more. Yeah, that's completely true.

It happened to us, obviously, on the first record. Like people spend their lives chasing like the ignorance and the innocence of childhood. Totally. Where you like get into things with no preconceptions. Like when you're a kid, a lot of the tests you build at the time with no conception about what's cool, what's uncool. Like, what is the critical consensus declaring is good or bad taste or good taste? You have no idea. And you just like things for what they are.

And that's the truth. That's the only truth. Like all the stuff I loved when I was a kid, I still love them and they are like our main influences. I think you guys are like in your 40s, right? I don't mean to. Wow. Out. Yeah. Me too. I think it's like, but I don't know about you, but for me, like, getting here is like back,

I'm back to being a dumb bitch, babe. Full dumb bitch hours. I'm never going back to knowing things or caring what's cool. I'm right back to like what I liked as a kid. I don't care. Like, it gets really free when you're a little bit older because like it's important socially to like fit in in your 20s and 30s because there's a, there's a value and a capital to that. safety and you build a career or whatever.

And then you go to the other side of it and you're like, you know what, I'm really into knitting. And I would like to spend more time knitting. And I don't really need to know about whatever you guys are doing at night time outside in the club or whatever. To me, like the perfect balance is like to manage like to find back your side innocence in terms of like making things. And at the same time, you use all the skills that you learned in the meantime. And if when you find a balance like this of like approaching things in a fresh way and using technical skills to improve these ideas and refine them, then then you get the good thing. Like hyperdrama.

And especially today because like for a lot of artists that are super present on social media, it's definitely the end of art, you know, like because when you're being very honest with yourself, you know when it fits your criteria. But when you ask people for feedback on something that is meant to be personal and

creative, it's already you know, like a very, very wrong turn of events. Yeah, it's a little bit poisoned. I'm not sure I agree about that and I think of that really often because there's one way of me that thinks that

a piece of art should be absolutely. and can't be tainted by the opinions of other people and at the same time in cinema they do it all the time you do like screenings and then you adapt and a lot of films that we love

and that we consider to be a piece of art they've been through those like screenings they made adjustments based on the screenings and the responses and that makes for a good theme so I think this is like a process can apply to some to some forms of

art and entertainment and sometimes for the for the best like even Stanley Kubrick he had like to deliver to the to the Warner a bros and I had like to

because at the point is also that you want as many people as possible to see or hear or enjoy what you're doing with minimum compromise but for cinema it cannot work to make screenings

I think also there's like, if the artist has enough character, character's not the right word, but self-possession, like, knows themselves in their art, you can take the feedback and then the one that you agree with, you're like, oh yeah, that, okay, yes, let me put that in. And then the ones that you're like, I don't agree with that, sorry. Like, you're like, that's cool. Thank you for letting me know, but that's not going to change my art. Then it can be really valuable, but it doesn't compromise the piece because you can't please everybody. Everyone's going to have a different opinion. and you're going to end up with some trash, boring-ass, you know, mainstream movie that nobody likes. Yeah, of course, of course. And whenever we make an album, we have a few beta testers. There's just a handful of them. And we take their opinion very much in consideration.

That doesn't mean we do everything they tell us. But it's always good to have someone that disagrees with you because then it makes you think a bit about your ways of doing. and it's always good to be challenged at some point. Yeah. Okay, shifting gears before we get into the questions. So I read, I saw a, I did a little, I did some homework. I read an interviewer, I saw it, I can't remember.

Also, I read the funniest, like a 2007 pitchfork interview with you guys. The interviewer was like, so do you know the Jonas brothers? And Zob was like, no. That's the entire part of the interview. I laughed so hard. Sarah Natap is one of my best friends. So we always talk about music. And she's like, that band did not come to France.

Like this band that you're talking about that was so important to you when you were a teenager, we didn't have that. And I'm like, oh, it's so, like, we'll get into it. We're going to talk about Dave Matthews band later because it's a question. And I know that didn't make it to France. I know you guys didn't fuck with Dave Matthews band. Who has no idea what it's easy. You know what? Maybe soon, Justice Dave Matthews band remix.

You never know. Life is long. There's so much to do. Well, I was going to ask you about nostalgia because you said you guys are not into nostalgia, but do you know who Brad Tremel is, the artist, and he makes short documentaries? No. He's very interesting. So he makes these, like, hour-long documentaries about, like, things that are, like, crypto or clout chasing.

And he just made one about hipsters. And I was like, oh, no, I can't watch this. I was there. I can't want it. Is it going to be a picture of me at Cinespace? But, thank God, no picture of me in it. But it's an hour long. It's very interesting.

I mean, he's very, like, serious about it. He goes into like the socio-political things and why it shifted and the Iraq war happened. So then it shifted from like the party one to like kind of being more, you know, bikes and whole foods. And obviously you guys are in a bunch. But he makes an interesting point at the end, which is basically that the reason that this like indie slees, I'm putting heavy air quotes for you guys that can't see because nobody, we never called it that. I don't know where that came from. But the thing is coming back is because people don't have fun. anymore. Like young people are not, they're not really having fun. They're just like super on their phones or doing like kind of like activism. And they're not like, they're looking back to like, oh my God, these people had fun. They just drank sparks and like wore insane American apparel clothes and like partied and made out in person. And I was like, oh, that made sense to me. Because I was like, I don't understand why it's coming back now. Like what is the deal? I mean, that made sense to me. Like we did have fun. We had a lot of fun in our headbands and our lame leggings.

Yeah, like I'm always very cautious about this idea that people were having more fun 20 years ago than now. Sure, sure. Because I think at the same time, we used to think that it used to be more fun at the Studio 54. Right. And then, yeah. Yeah, I think Studio 54 was probably a little bit more fun than Sinouspace. No one was like riding a horse in Sinouspace. Got respect to Steve Ayoki and the Cobra Snake and Frankie Chan.

We had a good time. DJed them jeans. Shout out, babe. We were all there, but no horse. I'm pretty sure people, like young people right now, they're having a lot of fun, but we're not part of it because we're not young people anymore and were like maybe ignorant of the fact that they're having fun in another way, maybe? I don't know.

I hope that's true. I really, because it makes me sad to think the other alternative, which is that they are not in the world because they're on their phones because their brains formed differently than ours did. We had to be, we didn't, you couldn't. have a social life on your phone when we had a sidekick maybe and like, hello, see you at Sinusbath. There was a recent study. I don't know about the rest of the world, but in France, that French people, from French youngsters, like, had less and less sex. Yes, it's everywhere. America as well.

Same thing. They have way less sex and people are more lonely than they've ever been because they don't interact. They don't drink sparks, bitch at Sinuspace. Bring back drinking sparks at Sinispace is what we're saying. That's our platform. Okay, that's all. I just wanted to get your perspective as frontline soldiers in the Indiesle's war alongside myself. Okay. Oh, well, I'll ask you that later about Zov, if you still do paintings of celebrities, I'm really curious. No, I don't. No time because you're a dad and you're a world famous Grammy award-winning musician. Wow, that's really cool. You let go of your passions when you became famous. That's really interesting. I didn't totally let go because it transformed into something else that is getting amateur paintings of myself by artists.

Stop! I'm dead. Do you have like a room in your house that's like all just like paintings of yourself? I wish, but that would be a lie. Yeah, let's say he does. But that, but there's a couple. There's a couple. You should do an art show one day. You should really get enough and do like a full blown art show where you display all of these. That would be the best thing in the world. But actually I thought of that with like another guy that is putting books. And we thought about maybe doing a book about amateur portraits, amateur art and amateur portraits. So good.

And that would have included like the couple of paintings of myself that I have. I love this. I love that that's what it shifted too. hilarious. Okay, number one, you guys, what is your astrological signs? Do you know? It doesn't exist in France.

You don't have astrology in France. Yeah, we don't have that. What is it? This interview is going to go so great because, like, at any question, you could be like, we don't have that in France. And I'm just going to have to believe you because I don't know. I'm going to tell you because I'm curious of your astrological prediction. I'm cancer.

Okay. And what about you, Gaspar? I'm a tourist. Me too. That's why we look alike and we're twins and we have a real connection. I think that's a really good. creative partnership because cancer is a water sign very emotionally open. Both are creative but Taurus is grounding whereas cancer is more flowy and it makes a good

compliment. That's funny because it sounds like the opposite. Oh really? Yeah. Your Gaspar is the more watery one and you're the more grounding one. Yeah. Gaspar is definitely watery. Also you guys, I really wish you could see this because it's so

Bonge hours. I haven't talked to you about Bonge yet. Bonj is the thing I'm trying to make happen, which is obviously short for bonjour. French people don't like it, but American people love it. And I think I can eventually get it over to France. I'm going to work on this. You hate it. Bonjour. Why is it so cute, just bonge, bonj. But for us, bongue is a ham. No one has told me that that is why it's not catching on, because I'm just saying ham to everyone. Whenever we say bongue to each other, it means that we are talking about ham. Oh. Yeah.

Well, ham is good too. Ham is cute. People like ham. I don't see the problem. I prefer ham than a hello. Okay. Well, what I was going to say is that Gaspar is absolutely smoking a cigarette and Zov is drinking water out of a wine glass. And I'm sure in the background there's a platter of croissant.

Okay. So we're going to go to question number two. What did you guys eat today? It's night time there, right? It's like 6.30 p.m. Yes. we had some kind of Kurdish

sandwich you know it was kind of meat skewers in the middle and I started the day with a baguette like an average French person for real okay you're not just saying that to make a joke no no it was real at 8 a.m.

I went out, went to the bakery bought a baguette and a brioche and get back home And say it's bonge to the data. Bonsch. Bons. Bons. You're going to have a baguette, please.

I believe they call it a boulangerie. Thank you very much. Okay. Are you guys in France right now? Yes, we're in Paris. Oh, you're in Paris. Okay. Okay.

What about you? Just the kebab? No, no, a brioche or croissant or a baguette for you today. No, no, no. I didn't live up to the cliché, sadly. Okay. But I love a good baguettes every now and then. Sure.

Did you eat the whole things off? Like you ate the entire baguette, no butter, just raw dog dry? Would you believe me if I tell you that's the truth? And I was not alone. Oh, so you shared your baguette. Yeah, I shared my baguette with someone. And she has it with like butter and jam. One time my ex-boyfriend in the kitchen, I just watched him take a piece of toast.

Like just a shitty American sliced bread toast it, fully dry and just eat it standing up. And I was chilled to my bone, you guys. I was like, this is the most psychotic shit I've ever seen in my life. You just ate a dry ass piece of toast standing up in the kitchen. That's like you need to go find God, babe. Like what's happening? How joyless is your soul? But the more joyful your soul is, the less butter you need.

I think you have to put on your toast, right? I don't know, babe. Then I must be decrepit in my soul because I love butter. All right. Number three. Have you guys listened to music today? And if so, what was it? I didn't, personally.

Just sitting in silence all day, 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. Just alone with your thoughts. No, we listen to hours because we had to work on the live show. Got it. But that was it, yeah. What about you, Gaspar? Also, just alone with your thoughts? Yeah, I don't listen to music that much, actually.

I don't really go around with the headphones on. It's not really amazing. How about, like, were you work out? Jack Matthews band and the journal brother. Did you say Jack Matthews band? I'm deceased. Not Jack Matthews band. It's the French version.

It's the French version. Jack Matthew band. You guys listen to podcasts? Yeah, yeah. A lot. What kind of podcasts? Like French ones or American English one? Yeah, French ones.

Okay, cool. Cool. I read an interview that you guys really like Mac to Marco. Is that true? Yeah, we do. Yeah. Yes. He's a friend.

Shout out MacDamako, we like his music. I like that the rock music that you seem to say that you liked is like rock music that's really contemporary because it does like an old thing but in a new way. I was like, oh, that's a really cool distinction of what you like about it. Yeah, like he's a very funny character and person. But his music is not, he's very heartfelt and I really like the contrast because he's probably like the funniest guy in the industry and the last. serious and it doesn't take himself seriously and that's very refreshing. Yeah, he's great. He's truly one of the best people. Okay, number four, what is the first song that made a big impact on you as a child?

To me, it was either the theme song of a Japanese animation cartoon, like an anime. Yeah. So maybe like a Cobra Space Adventure, like a Charlotte House. Sherlock Hound, the Miyazaki adaptation, or some French pop tune from the time, like Michel Berger or Franz Gadsong. And to look back to what we were talking about at the beginning, like these two things still have a huge influence on me as of today. Like when we start making music, I always have this in mind.

Interesting. Because the anime music is like a little bit cinematic or obviously it's like a has like a gravitas or whatever because it's like this is the theme song of the show and then the French pop music is catchy but it's funny because yeah like they just had like great composers and even like maybe it was it was played in the US it was called once upon a time life and once upon a time space

I don't know if it got to the US and the guy who did the music was a very famous French composer called Michel Le Grand. And obviously when we were like six years old, we didn't know who he was. But there was something very emotional and

also a great mastery of how to write. And when you're a kid, you don't care if it's well written or whatever, if it's in that scale or whatever. But like the emotional effect it had on us

was very important. Yeah. these guys were genius because they managed to make pure perfection in terms of writing and even in terms of pop music in a frame that's like 90 seconds sometimes less and that's the almost like the most impressive form of contemporary music to pack like so many emotions and so many skills and so much writing in such a short piece of music yeah to really grab you so fast there was one I really loved also it was the theme of the Perth Raiders and then you find out that it was John Barry and something we also loved in the in the American TV shows was Gary Portnoy.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. He was doing the TVT, he was doing Silver Spoons. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. And this is like there's so much pop perfection in those songs. Yeah because you still remember it to this day like it's so such an earworm that like it's here forever. I recommend to everyone to listen to every time I turn around by Gary Portnoy. Okay. Every time I'll clip it here. So did hearing this stuff when you were kids make you be like, oh, I want to make music?

Like were you taking piano lessons? Like, or you were just like, that's cool. I'll put it in the back of my pocket for later when I'm 20 years old. No, we didn't think of it. And actually we are both, our real job is to be graphic designers. Graphic designers, yeah. Yeah, and we really started making music by accident almost. And then left our day jobs to actually make music.

But making music was never a plan or even a dream. It's crazy. Graphic design also extremely hipster job, MSA, really fits in with the narrative. It's one of the peak jobs of hipsters. It was graphic design, don't you? Yeah. But at some point, all of our friends were either DJ or graphic designers.

Now they are directors or graphic designers. Exactly. Now they're creative directors. And, yeah, no, it was a big thing. It's in the documentary, it's very interesting because they talk about how because we started outsourcing all the manual jobs, like factories and everything, like a big portion of society went to these like knowledge-based jobs, art-based jobs. And that's why it's like everyone became.

this kind of graphic designer. It's very, it's very fast. I really recommend it. I really enjoyed the unpacking hipsterdom. Do you have a word for hipster in French? Yeah, it's hipster. It's the same thing. Everyone around the north of Paris and around Silver Lake went for these jobs.

Yeah, it's a certain, it's a certain economic subset of people, obviously. It wasn't everyone. I mean, it's not possible for it to be everyone, but the kind of people that might have done other kinds of jobs started to like shift towards this and then it was big to go to college and then people got in debt because actually

we don't need 60,000 graphic designers, we only, and also it was because the industry became selling each other lifestyle instead of like any other industry and so you needed graphic designers to sell lifestyle to other people. Yeah, but also

it's, to us it's a very like American thing like to build a a culture out something that is very not random, but for example, like probably started with a tattoo, then it got transferred to coffee, then got transferred to mixology. Don't forget fix gear bikes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Six gear bikes were really big in France. And Jerry, that was the same people that would become barista a couple of years later. 100%. It was a real pipeline. Actually, and that's part of the reason skinny jeans became popular was because before

hipsters were more like early, like very early 2000s, more like bellbottomy 70s vibe, but you couldn't ride the fix gear that way. So then they started to be skinny jeans. So interesting. That's a good analysis. Very good. It wasn't me. Brad Tremel.

My hat is off to him. Okay. Number five, you guys, what is the first album you bought with your own money or shoplifted with your own two hands? For me, that was doggie style. Hell yeah, bitch. That's right. Snoop Dog.

Yeah, Snoop doggie-doggy. Two doggie-dog, excuse me. Yeah, I was called at the time. For me, I think, like, yeah, it was probably a CD of Metallica called Killemol. Yeah, very good one. One of the best, honestly, Metallica Alamos. Maybe the best, Metallica Alamo, in my opinion. That I traded with some kind of drum and bass compilation I had found on the street.

Like just on the road? Yeah. I remember that there was a trade involved with my cousin that had this Cille Amola record. I love that. I had the doggy style CD as well. And I remember I had it on tape that I would listen to my Walkman in the car. I was probably 10. And I remember my dad being sick of me just listening to headphones in the car, like not talking to the family.

And he was like, give me that tape. I'm putting it on for the whole family. And I was like, no, dad. And he put on, it was right in the middle of Lauddy-Dotty, and I literally wanted to die. It was like, I think it literally came on and it was like, with your wrinkled pussy, I can't be your lover. And I'm like 10 years old and I was like, I wanted to pass away. He was not happy. It was not happy that I had this tape.

But it's iconic. Also, Kilimall, pretty iconic. Did the Killamall CD cover shape your young mind for art and graphic design? because I see a big parallel between the Kilimol album cover and the Justice cross. The music didn't influence Justice that much because we moved on from it quite swiftly. But obviously, like the whole heavy metal imagery. Yeah, yeah, totally. And even the name, you know, like there's something very metallic about it.

Yeah, you have a metal band symbolism and energy. But even the Snoop Dogg, like the Doggie style artwork, like this kind of like very, very amateur cartoon. Because it really looks like it has been done by like a 13 years old boy, like angry boy, you know? In class, yeah, totally. And still to this day, we really are fond of this type of stuff. We buy fanzines. Fenzines, how do you say in English? Fanzines, yeah, that's right.

Yeah, fanzins. and that are full of this kind of really amateur comics. Yeah. And I think that Doggy style artwork was my first contact with this type of drawings. It was very big in my middle school, like drawing like that or just doing like sketches or whatever. I remember I used to draw this like Playboy bunny. It was a literal bunny, but it was like a hot bunny. And I would sell the drawings to boys at school.

And they were like in the sixth grade. I wish I had them still. Because it was just like, that's what you did. You were bored in class and you would just draw shit. Okay. Number six, did anyone in your childhood ever tell you you're never going to make it or something like that? Like they do in the movies. And if so, who was it?

What did they say? When you were five years old and you were like, Mama, Papa, I want to be a graphic designer. Or they like, no. You cannot be a graphic designer. No, I think we're both very lucky to grow up with like very open-minded and supportive parents. Yeah, awesome. That's like in my case, but I think it was a bit like this for Gaspar too. My parents were always, they never mixed up academic success with intelligence.

Of course, they were happy if we were going in school, but they never told us like, oh, you got to be like a doctor or lawyer or whatever. And actually, when I finished like the high school, I got a subscription to like lawyers, like low university. And my father is the one who get me to do graphic design because he and my brother, they felt I would never make it to such like a real job. They're like, you don't have that in you, babe. Don't joke with yourself. Okay. You're not going to put on a suit and go do law.

Okay. No, absolutely. This is what they thought. And without telling me, they get me in the contest to enter one of these, like, a graphic school design in Paris. Wow. Yeah. So, no, no.

They were very, very supportive. Yeah. I mean, for me, like, they were a bit, they, they were not over supportive, you know. They were just like, okay, what are we going to do with him, you know? And after you, you graduate, like, you're a bit. lost and I guess like for me graphic design it was like the most painless thing you could do. Right because it's like art

but it's as a salary. So yeah but they were never even in the beginnings of our so-called success with justice they were never like they were a bit jaded already they were like okay whatever it's cool. Okay amazing.

Both both sound very French. imagine what that was like my parents were absolutely like you should be a lawyer or a doctor or if not a business woman and I was like okay and then I became a podcaster and it wasn't until literally like two years ago that my dad finally like was like oh okay like you're okay you have a job like he literally thought for the whole time like what are you doing and fair enough what is a podcaster it's not a real job he's right okay number seven you guys when was the last time you told a lie Maybe within the last 20 minutes. Yeah, it was about the baguette.

Don't be honest. This one, yeah, I lied. I'm sorry. I had a croissant. What I was about to say was absurd, but I was about to tell you, to be honest, we don't lie a lot. Well, I have to believe you.

And I think it's true. Do you lie to your kids? This is the one that I, like, never. Never. Even if they ask you like some crazy question that like they're too young to know the answer, you don't lie to them.

Yeah, I've always told my daughter. her, like the absolute raw truth about everything. That's cool. That's really cool. Including, like, the first time she asked me about reproduction, and she was very young. I told her exactly what it was. And she told me, no way, you're kidding me.

She was like, ew, dad. No, no, she was not even, like, she was more amazed by the system. She was not disgusted or whatever. And no, no, yeah, I, like, I've made it a rule to tell her, like, everything. And it's quite fruitful, I think. I do think that's the best approach, right? Like, I mean, within reason, right? Like, I mean, there's ways to tell the truth that you don't have to, like, go to ham, too bonge, if you will.

But still tell the truth, like, appropriate to what they can understand, but without ever lying. What about you, Gaspar? You seem like a big liar, Timona. It's giving liar. It's giving a liar. It's the glasses. It's the glasses, the mustache. It's just, it's not trustworthy.

A lot of space concealing. Yeah, you look like a Unabomber a little bit. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's just, I don't trust you. No, actually, I did already lie to you because my first, the first album I ever bought was a tape. So it says like how old I am. And it was a Artung Baby by You Two. The best You Two album, in my opinion.

I went and saw the whole Octune Baby thing at the sphere. You know, you guys heard about this. You guys should do the sphere. You know what? We're always trying to think of who would make sense to be at the sphere. And it's very few people, but you guys would make total sense. Because you have a visual identity that could translate. It's the craziest should have ever seen.

I was on mushrooms. I won't lie to you. But even without them, it would have. It was wild. It was so cool. I have no difficulty imagining that being on mushrooms and the sphere must be really cool, depending on what is being shown on the screens. Yeah.

There was one bad part. like, where like, you know how these like kind of old rock bands are just committed to that thing of just random words that they think is making a statement where it's like, victim, racism. You know what I mean? Like that part, I was like, I don't want to look at this. This is so corny. I can't look at this. That sounds like Mobis tattoos, yeah. Yes, exactly.

Vegan or whatever. And I was like, get me out of it. But some of the other stuff was so insanely well done. And like you felt like you were all of a sudden outside. There was like a sky. Then there was like birds. And it was just, it was really cool. And I love that all of them.

Sounds cool. Yeah. So we'll see. Just Justis sphere 2025. Let's make it happen. After, after fish is done. You guys fuck with fish? That probably also didn't make it over to France.

Same thing. Like, we know the name. Is it like P-H-I-S-H, right? Yeah, I've never heard one song of fish. We know it's big into you. Yeah. Don't, don't do that to yourself. Don't bother with that.

It's, you don't need to hear that. That's not good. Okay. Number eight, what character in a book or film do you relate to the most and why? Are we really into the most or hating the most? Like you see yourself in it the most. You're like, Marcel Proust, Swan's Way. Personally, that would be Kinu Reeves in speed.

Oh, you're good under pressure and you know how to drive a bus. And we look alike a bit. You know, Keanu Reeves was on this podcast before you guys. that he was on his vodka. That's right. And he was great. He loves punk music. No, he looks, it seems like to be a great person.

Yeah. I have no idea, like you go first what I'm thinking. Yeah, I'm thinking as well. You guys seem like you read a lot of books. Not enough. We could do more. That week off, babe, you've got to fill it with a few more books. Actually, there's a book we talked about it before,

and that's the first thing that comes to my mind. And the name in English, I can never read. remember it? You know, you know, you never live well enough? In French, it's called La Lederse Vand Mal. It's a book by Raymond Louis. Raymond Louis is basically the guy who invented the job of a designer, like an industrial designer.

Okay. And this book is his own story. So he wrote his story of how he moved to the US and started like noticing that there was a need to actually yeah, so it's never live good enough alone. Well done. Well enough alone. And he talks about like how all these ideas occur to him

and where he like noticed the necessity of actually designing things so they would sell better. Right. And they would be like just more pleasant to live with, for people to live with. And he's the kind of guy like when you read the book. I really felt like I was agreeing with whatever he was saying. And there are these people that they have these.

this kind of aura and magnetism. David Hockney is like another person. Every time I see, I hear him talking. I find that all these statements are very true and are definitive. Yeah. Like you're just like nodding your head aggressively. You're like, yes, yes. You know, you're thinking exactly.

That's what I've always thought. Sorry, I lost you. Okay. Great answer. Informative. What about you, Gaspar? Liar, man. I don't know why I'm thinking about the biography of Eric Satti, which is a French composer that I really love.

Yeah, amazing. And for some reason, when I was a kid, I always thought he was coming from Eastern Europe because there's something very weird in his melodies. Yeah, something very Czechoslovakian about his music for sure. No, I agree. And there's something so weird about his life story. Like he, at some point, he decided that he had to walk everywhere. He was walking, I don't know, like 30 miles per day. And he had a very weird love story with Suzanne Valadon. She was also a painter.

But also an acrobat, which is important. because at some point Eric Sarty freaked out and he pushed her out of the window and she didn't die because she was an

acrobat but yeah I don't really You don't relate to the part where he were like hell yeah I'd love to push a bitch out of window

I'm not online I know Gaspar G is you're freaking me out man that's cool though I really want to read that I'm really obsessed

with lately just living life differently. I don't know how to say it. I deleted all the social media off my phone the other day. I just like had a fit and I was like, enough, enough. Not because like, I'm not going to ever be able to get fully off of it. Like for my kind of job, I still have to like get on and post the episode. I'm like, hey, listen to this list or whatever. But like, I listened to this really interesting podcast about focus and like making any kind of work where like whenever you switch

tasks, like look at your phone or open email. It takes 15 full minutes to get back into whatever it was you were doing. And my job is research, right? And writing. So I'm like, but all day I'm like a fucking pinball machine, Instagram, email, this. And I'm like, I lose the whole day. And it made me really sad. And I was like, I need to live my life totally differently. I need to like not have this, no phone. Go on long walks like you said, Gaspar with no music. Like actually like allow your thoughts to ripen, allow yourself to feel uncomfortable. We just got into a place where nobody knows how to feel alone or uncomfortable enough for good things to come out of your mind.

And you could really get ahead of people if you would just me. I'm talking to myself. You guys probably do that. You made a whole album and it's very good and you probably work very well in focusing. But I need to focus. That's exactly the same reason why also I completely stopped going on the internet. Yeah, the whole internet. Yeah, the whole internet.

Unless I have something very specific to make a research on. Right, right, right. That I do, of course. But I stopped just like zoning out on things a while ago for exactly the same reason. It's just it takes like too much time in a day. And time is by far the most precious resource that we have. And so yeah, for the same reason I quit that. And it's all benefits, you know, I can't see one.

things that is good now than it used to be. No, I agree. And people are always like, well, what about like connection and socialize? And I'm like, that's not connection, babe. Sending me a DM to say, ha ha, or cool outfit. Like, that's not connection. Like, call me on the phone. Like, let's go to dinner.

Like, remember how we used to have friends, like in real life where we like talked and went places? So this is my new goal as of you listeners, mark my words. If you see my ass on fucking Instagram posting's bullshit, memes all day, I need you to call the police because I need to change my life. All right. Number nine, what was your biggest sliding doors moment? You guys probably have not seen this film.

It's a Gwyneth Paltrow, romantic comedy. But the meaning of it is if you had made a different choice, you wouldn't be where you are today in life. Like, every decision is like that, but like what's like a really big one? Yeah, look, I have like an already made the answer to that. That works for both of us. We stopped being graphic designers and made. We made this song you might have heard of called D-A-N-C.

Do you have like two minutes? Because it's quite a long story. Let's go, Ben. So I'm going to try to make it as short as possible, but it's going to be long. In 1999, I entered this graphic design university. Fell in love with a girl. White Stripes voice. I'm just on the looks.

It's all going to be a song title. no. Dead leaves another round. Jolene. It was called Jolene. Anyway, I pretty short. Didn't get with that girl, but with her friend. Her friend was the best friend of Gaspard's best friend's girlfriend at the time.

And that's how I met on the same day in 2001. 1 or 2002, Gaspard and my girlfriend in the same place more than 20 years ago. But she was not my girlfriend at the time, but that's how I first saw them and it was at the same place, same day. And

all of that, because I went to a student party at the beginning of the year when I was at the university. And had I not made it to this party or even go, if I went to lawyer school instead of going to graphic design or whatever, we would have never met.

And you wouldn't have this haircut. I'll tell you that much. Yeah. No, but everything would be different. Maybe we would have been on other bands that would be more successful or maybe we would have done other things. How many Grammys did you have you guys won? Yeah, but you think you would have been more successful on your other bands?

Maybe you're holding each other back, actually. But, uh, it's crazy. And I often think of this to remind like myself how circumstantial everything is. Totally. And you take one turn, you meet one person, and it can change your whole life. So it's kind of crazy. No, but actually, it's kind of fun because I think if we hadn't met, I guess I wouldn't be doing music today. Like I might be doing it for fun, but not like.

Yeah, neither would I. I'm kind of like a dumb bitch, like I said. So in my mind, there's no universe where you guys didn't meet. Like I just think it's like it was always going to happen. It's just maybe the circumstances would have changed, but you're always, that was always going to happen because that was the plan for your life, you know? Sometimes I want to believe this way too,

but hey, who knows? Nobody knows, so that's why I like it because it's a choice to believe it that way, and if life is better in your mind if you believe something, why wouldn't you choose to believe it? You know what I mean? Because you'll never know. No possible way to know one way or the other.

I just choose the good way. Makes sense. Makes a lot of sense. Thank you. That's the bondage lifestyle over here. Number 10. What characteristic are you guys most drawn to in another person? I would say kindness and wittiness.

Yeah, whittiness, totally. Yeah. But I guess something we are really fond of when we meet someone is like precision. because precision is what makes you funny or not, you know, like. Like sharpness? Yeah, sharpness, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, it's true.

Well, that's wit, right? Like, wit is not the same exact thing as being funny. It's like a more fine pointed funniness because you can be funny and be like goofy or stupid or fall down or whatever. But to be, to be witty, you have to be sharp. Totally. But also, like for us, there's, and some something. that we can't really communicate in English, but like the linguistic precision in French is like the most funny thing for us. Yeah, I'm having a really good time with you guys and I do actually

find you quite funny, but I'm always like so hard to connect with French people. And I think it's because our sense, well, it's also the language barrier obviously, but I think because our sense of humors are just slightly different. Like there's just, even though again, my best friend is French and she's very funny, I think. But sometimes I'm just like, oh, like, it's just slightly different enough that, like, we miss the connection of, like, what we think is funny

and what the other person thinks is funny. There's that, and there's also the fact that speaking another language, we lose maybe 70% of our personality. Totally. It's so impressive. Like, it's so impressive. Your guys' English is so amazing. And the fact that you can communicate

like this, with this much personality, with a second language is amazing. Oh, thanks. No, it's true. Because I'm, I don't know, I speak one other language and nobody hears me do it except for my parents. And so they don't need to have personality in it.

But it's like, it's got to be so hard. And then everyone just like makes, you know, like, American people are the worst. You'll be like, oh, it's really funny. Do you speak another language? And they'll be like, no. And then French people are like, I speak German and also Spanish, a little bit of Czech. Okay. Number 11.

Who is the last? person you guys met that you were star-struck by. Because I know you'll be hobnobbing. You guys are a Grammy Award winning. Oh, yeah. Oh, you already have one. You're like, I know, Brad Pitt. David, no.

Oh, no. I'm not doing this Star Trek. Yeah, a little bit. You know some people listening to this podcast will speak French. So even if I can't understand it, babe, someone else will. No, no, we are debating. Like, I think the last time we were both starstruck at the same time was when we met Roger Manning Jr.

Oh, yes. He's great. I'm friends with his girlfriend. Laurel Stearns, yeah. Or I'm married, actually. Yeah, he's an incredible musician. Wow, I love that you guys were star-struck by him. How cool. Yeah, because we were huge fans of the Mukoubukubu albums. Yeah, yeah. It was, yeah, really meeting an icon. And actually, I was also a bit Star Trek by Nardwar. Nardwar. Hell yeah. Did he interview you guys? Yes, a long time ago, yeah.

And yeah, so we went to Roger Joseph Manning, Jr. Ask him if he would be okay taking a picture with us. And we never asked that to anyone. And actually he plays on Incognito on our album. Oh, my favorite song. Yeah. He plays like the

volitzer on the disco parts. And he also made like the big noise, like the big end noise that's doing like the last sort of the song. Yeah. Yeah. That's him like tweaking a synthesizer doing this big like, like this. So you turned your Starstruck into a collaboration,

into a collaborative partner. Yeah, we went to him and said, like, can you do something, whatever you want? We would like to have you on the album. So cool. Do you guys have a lot of random celebrity fans? Not that we know. Gotta be, no, you're very popular.

Maybe, but we are not aware of. Is Alondalon dead? Yes. Oops. No, it's like, it's like, it's, He's in a big lawsuit with his sons, I guess, at the moment. I wonder if he likes Justis. Alain, Alon, do you like Justice?

Okay, there's a very cool answer, very, honestly, very cool answer. Number 12, when was the last time? Well, it sounds like you're not using the internet, so I don't know, but when was the last time you slid into someone's DMs? And I can't tell you, it's not a lie. You just can't, because you're not really fucking with the Instagram

or the internet anymore. No. And I think the last time we did it was maybe to ask someone to do a custom graphic design for a t-shirt. That's probably the only usage of DMs that we do.

Yeah, yeah, to link and build with other artists. From the Justice account. Yeah, yeah. I know it was photographers. Like it was Julia Evansant, the photographers who did the inner sleeve of the album.

We had to slide in their DMs. To ask them if they would be up for making a picture for our album. Were they like, it would be my honor, sir. No, they just said, okay, why not? Let's meet and talk about. I mean, okay, good, good answer. Linking and building using that blue check. All right, number 13, what is the horniest song ever in your opinion?

And this is going to be big coming from French people. Closer by a nine inch needs. Yeah, it's pretty. I mean, is that song horny or is that song like violent? It's a bit mechanical like it's only for mechanical sex purposes. I would say no comment by Serge Gansburg. That's the famous one with the orgasming in or no, that's a different one. No, this one is Love on the Beat.

Oh, got it, got, got, okay. And no comment is like he says like awful things answering with like, you know, like affirmative. or no comment, which is more like a kind of like military intelligence type of answers. Right, right, right. And yeah, I'm not going to into translations, but it's quite, it goes quite far. You guys can look it up on the internet on your own free time. Okay, really interesting answers. Usually people say Prince, so the French people came through.

And if any other, I would say the Valley by Miguel. Oh, yeah, Miguel makes some real horny music, and he isn't a gorgeous man. And so it all works together as far as it. You can tell him, I said that. I know he's your friend. We will. All right. Number 14.

What is the biggest money you guys have ever turned down? You want like real figures? Yeah, real figure and what was it? We're partying on this podcast. It's a bit embarrassing to talk about real figures, but yeah, a lot. Okay, without the, you don't have to say the dollar amount, but can you say what it was? And so you were like, we're not going to do that because it's too embarrassing or it's a war criminal or it's racist? mostly like DJing in countries

with which we don't really agree with like the general politics. Right. Okay. Gorgeous. Principled. Beautiful. You're not going to pop up in the United Arab Emirates, DJing a sheikh's 13-year-old son's birthday.

You say it. He's like, I do have kids though, so maybe in two years, we might be there. You bring the huge cross. They're like, no, no cross for us.

Please leave that home. You can never say ever, but as far as we're concerned, yes. Okay. Number 15, what is the best live music show you've ever seen? There's a couple, like two that we showed that we saw, like maybe more than 10 years ago, was ESG. Oh, my God, I love ESG. Yeah, it was so good. ESG was really good.

Zongamin, like a Japanese, British disco band. Okay. That was on Excel, like in the thousands. That was great. Recently, this, maybe we're not going to agree, but we saw the strokes, and I love the strokes, and I found them to be really good. They sound great.

I saw them like two years ago, and they actually sounded amazing. I was like, wow, you guys sound just like kind of the you used to. Pretty good. And that was a rare occurrence of, like, it made me something to actually see them. in flesh playing their songs. I'm not too sensitive about that usually. But singing them was like I was really, really happy. What else?

Yeah, I remember going to John Spencer, Blue Explosion. Oh, you guys have great taste. It was so good. Yeah, I don't know what they're up to these days, but really, really cool, yeah. So cool. I was really into John.

Oh, no, I know. Like one of my favorite life shows ever was Cornelius, the Japanese outfit, and it was really like a debatery of skills and and great timing because they had all these

synced videos to the music, but they were playing everything live. And yeah, it was really, really fascinating. Okay, what a range. I want to see ESG, one of my favorites. I really think that we need to bring that kind of music. Yes, G, Delta 5. A lot of baselines. Did you guys go to the Ares Tour? The what?

Taylor Swift. Did you go to the big Ares show? And the same thing. I know one song by her. I think I just know the intro and I have no idea what she's doing as a musician. And I know exactly who she is, of course. And I know what she looks like and everything. Yeah, not possible to not know that.

But the music, I know the song that was like, Tadda-da-d-da-da-da-da-da. Something like this. No? I'll make it not even hurt, and I'm making a fool of myself. I mean, I'm not familiar with the one that you're talking about, but perhaps I'm just not hearing it properly. But it was worth asking the question.

Oh, producer Jesse says, shake it off. Yeah, he's right. And I say, yeah, too late. That sounds like what you're singing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, Gorge.

Thank you, producer, Jesse, for bridging the gap here. Thank you. Okay, number 16. When in your life were you guys the most fucked up, wasted, hammered trashed? Gaspar, I did hang out with you at Hala's house. Also, Sarah said that you had a real reputation for always bringing gingers and bald men to the after parties. Can you comment on this? Ginger's and bold men

What is it Reference to Hasn't know About ginger Maybe ginger, bold man Yeah, I don't know No,

yeah, I don't really remember that era To be fair Many of them But no, I guess We had a great

Like a mushroom experience Like a while ago Ah yeah, Los Angeles And you can see Part of it In the documentary

Is it hard To get Mushims in France? No, I think it's getting more more than March of July. I haven't done in like years and maybe 10 years. Oh, really? Yeah. Why? Yeah. I've never been into drugs. That's really like the only thing that I can

entertain the idea. Yeah. Mushrooms is not really drugs. I find mushrooms to be like it's like a healing experience. It's a journey. Yeah. Anything that alter your way of thinking is like it's not to be a drug, but casual drugs I have absolutely. no interest in. So yeah, that would be mushrooms and that would be that one time in Los Angeles where they were looking like asparagus. Oh, yeah, yeah. And it took us like quite far.

Yeah, that was good. But, no, but we're quite far. And that's like, I don't know, but like we can't be advocating like the usage of psyched elites on a podcast. Why? Someone's going to arrest you. But yeah, the thing is that everything, it's not like being drunk and then regretting everything you said like the day after.

like everything you think or you say or we said while on that night it still remains true to this day and very sharp, very precise and it's like we discover we found out so a lot of truths on that night. I love it. I try to do it like three times a year like a big by myself

and I just go on like a long walk and sometimes I listen to music, sometimes I don't just because it's just like you get back you get back to these parts of your brain that like are buried and like things come out and you understand things that you've been like like maybe chewing on emotionally or I don't know I just you guys don't have to advocate I'll advocate I think everyone should do it I do think it's it's you should do it with a safe environment and make

sure if you've never done it you know you have someone watching you and it's you're not just being crazy but like I think it's so helpful and I think we're getting closer and closer to it being more of a therapeutic thing that is like doctors prescribe it and people use it for their mental health Yeah, yeah. No, it's a good reset. Yeah. Okay. Well, I guess you guys weren't at the same sin of space I was at because I was doing casual drugs.

All right. Number 17 and number 18. This is a tandem question. What do you love the most about being famous and what do you hate the most about being famous? And before you say we're not famous, I'm just going to stop you right there because you're justice. Well, to me, like the best side of it, is the absolute freedom in everything that it provided us with

like artistically but also in terms of lifestyle and the way we organize our time and everything so that to me that's the absolute absolute best thing it brought us and the worst is just like the the side effects of it

that has like that to be scrutinized and not scrutinized to the level of like Brad Pitt or whatever, not being able to go to restaurants without having people following him but just that everyone that knows us

has an opinion and some people are more relaxed and some people are more like dedicated to have an opinion about everything and anything, you know? Don't we know it? And that makes you sometimes feel that you're walking on.

on eggs. I think that would be it. Yeah. How about you? Yeah, there's nothing really enjoyable about being recognized or whatever. Do you guys get recognized a lot? Do you get recognized more in Paris than in America or more in America than America? No, but only when we are together. Contextually, it doesn't click until you guys are together. No, but for real, it's true. Like, if we go on the street right now together, there's going to be someone. If we walk alone, that's going to be nobody. That kind of makes a lot of sense, though. I mean, people's minds, they're used to, they need contacts.

What do people, I feel like in Paris, it's like not the vibe to go up to somebody and say, oh, are you so-and-so and, like, can I have a picture? No, in Paris, they would do the same, but they would do it differently. They would tell you, hey, we know each other, no? Oh, sure. until you you know what I mean? Like, hey, I've seen you somewhere pretending.

I did that once, not pretending. I've told this story at the Chateau Marmadda party, and I woke up at three in the morning. And the guy was so nice about it. He was like, I know, you're looking familiar too. What an angel. And it was a man from the TV show, Grey's Anatomy. And I was so embarrassed.

I was like, oh, no. I didn't know you. We were not friends. You were famous on TV. But in my mind, because I couldn't quite place him. That's a weird move. I personally, because I'm only like, this much famous still kind of enjoy getting recognized because I'm like, oh, me, Ma? Thank you.

Thank you so much. But I can see it could be annoying. The opinions thing really makes me want to kill myself. Not just about myself, because I don't really, at this point, I don't care anymore. Like, oh, you think my voice is annoying? Gorgeous, thank you for sharing. I don't care. But the fact that everyone thinks, like it's a full-time job to just have an opinion on everything. And they don't realize is that you don't have, you can just sit these ones out. Like, you're wasting your one precious life weighing in on everything that's happening when it has nothing to fucking do with you, babe. Focus on your own life.

You don't have to do this. No one is making you. Yeah, I mean, you don't have to like everything we do, you know, like it's just. Just ignore it. Yeah, it's a bit, it's getting a bit crazy. Like, I guess it's a worldwide phenomenon, but. Just the fact that people are taking so much time and dedication to comment stuff and saying that they don't like it or that you look like shit or it's a weird energy on social.

They need to go touch grass as people say. This is why I delete the apps off my phone. I go touch grass and not talk. I've never once in my life left to comment on a stranger's thing saying, I hate this. Or even I like this. It's just not my personality. I'm like, okay. We don't know each other.

None of my business. Have a wonderful day. Okay, number 19 is the wild card. Tell me a couple of artists that you guys really love, that people would be really surprised maybe by that that's your taste. I don't know if people can even be surprised that would feel like. Because your chase is already so all over the place. Like the first thing at comes to moment,

I love Lana Del Rey and I'm very excited that I might be able to see a show in Coachella, because of playing on the same day. Oh, hell yeah. To me, she's really one of the best. I listen to her music the same way I listen to like Neil Young or Jenny Mitchell. I agree. The same level of excellence.

But that's not really surprising because half of the planet loves her movies. So we decided definitely not Jack Matthew's band. No, but I'm curious. I'm going to check what it is after. Okay, let me refer. What about it? different question. You each get to pick one. You could collaborate with one artist. Who would you

do with? Dream. Dead or alive. No object. But that's the thing is that with their people we love and we don't necessarily want to collaborate with them because, but Lana there is a good example. Like, she's great. But I don't see like the common ground that would make something good happen. And it's going to sound like very consensual. But actually, like, like the people where we have on our album were our dream collaborators. I'm not cheating you. You know, I'm not saying that to say like something. A little promo.

It's not been a promo thing, but they were like very important to us and were so happy that they are here on the album. So cool. Yeah. Tame and Paul is kind of a big deal. So it makes sense that it was a dream. They all are a big deal to us. It's interesting because I do think that Australian sensibility and French.

sensibility could not be further apart from each other. Like, it's like French, American, Australian. Like on the other side. Yeah, like I would say the opposite because we... Oh, you think they're more close to you. It's always been really... I mean, there's a lot of Australian acts that we love. And that's always been the case.

Like, there's a match in our taste with the Australian scene, definitely. Oh, really? Okay. let me read you a little pitchfork interview question that you did in 2007. When you're traveling on these endless tours, do you see any of the cities? Gaspar, no. When we are back home, everyone's asking us, how was Australia? Because it's very exotic for everyone in France. We were just like, it's cool.

No, no, but to be fair, I really like to get out when I'm on tour just to see what's what, you know? and I don't know like if there's a good museum I will go but that's the problem with touring is that we we've been traveling

almost everywhere in the in the so-called civilized world but we never really have time to get a proper experience but I'm Xavier can tell you about

his touring experiences in cities yeah I put the don't disturb sign on my hotel door And I stay alone in my room for like four days in a row. And what do you'd be like watch TV? Because you're not on the internet. No, I don't watch TV.

At all, ever. I just look at the ceiling. I just alone with my thoughts. I stare at the ceiling. It's like a hyperbaric chamber. And then I emerge to drop the needle on the, actually, you guys probably use CDJs. I'm not really familiar with the equipment you guys use. Okay.

Well, Gorge, let's move on. Number 20. We're almost done. When was the last time you guys cried? Yeah, that was such a long time ago. And I think I might have like a psychiatric trouble with that. Because at some point, I sometimes felt guilty not to cry. At moments, I was supposed to be crying.

So I think it was around the age of like 10 something. What? Yeah, I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding you. You need to do more mushrooms for sure, because there's something that needs to be expressed there. You should be crying regularly. No, no, I'm 200% sure of that.

And I need to see someone, like, you know, to know what's happening. But yeah, there was some, like, really tragic moments. And I was really sad and really not well. And I was thinking, okay, maybe like that would be a good moment to cry and it's not coming. If my Thai food order comes wrong, I cry. Like, full on. Like, if I'm having a special kind of day, like, It'll come and I'll be like, no, I said Pad CU, not Pad Thai.

I'll fully cry. But the last time I felt it coming like very strong, but he didn't come, but it was on the verge. It was when I was watching cars on a plane. The cartoon film. Yeah. You know, there's a whole thing on the plane. You just, there's more, you'll cry it.

Well, you won't because you're a freak, but most people will cry at every movie on a plane, no matter what it is, because there's just some thinness of the veil of your emotions when you're like in the sky. Yeah, yeah, I don't know if it's related to pressure, but it's probably the last time. I cried too, like probably like a dog died in a movie and then I cried. Oh my God, how dare they? Number 21, you guys already kind of answered, which is what is your relationship to the day of Matthews' behalf? So you're saying, but you know that you know what that is.

Maybe you've not listened, but you're familiar with the name. I am, but apparently Xavier is done. He's calling it Jack Madeline. shoes band. But yeah, yeah, I just heard the name. I don't really, I don't really know how they look and what kind of music they're doing. Do you know that in the decade of 2000 to 2010 in America, they were the number one highest selling touring band? Yeah, okay. Wow. Yeah, they're, they're kind of a big deal, babe. But I understand. It's very much the kind of music that doesn't make it over to Europe, which is really American jam music. Europeans do not fuck with that. That is not

their thing. Like Grateful Dead fish, Dave Matthews band. Exactly. For example, like the what you guys call the dead. We have absolutely no interest in it. Not interest, but no knowledge about.

I'm pretty French about the Dead as well. I have no interest in the dead. Me personally. Sorry, I said you guys, but I don't consider you part of the... Oh, thank you. I'm honorary French. Bange. Honorary Bonge. Wow, number 22.

What song would you like to hear just before you die? What if it's bump, b, b, b, bong, b, bha. Do you want D-A-N-C? What if you, that's what you have to hear before you die? I would say, don't stop me now to give me a bit of strength and maybe avoid the fate. That's something that someone who doesn't cry would say. Can't avoid death, babe.

It comes for us all. Yeah, or maybe requiem. for a con from Serge Gansboor. It's pretty on the nose, but I like it. It makes sense. All right. Last question. Well, second to last question.

Number 23. What do you guys think about me? It was really fun. We had a lot of fun talking with you. A couple of days ago, we talked to Gaspar and we thought, ah, sometimes it's like a dangerous exercise, like to do a long interviews, because then you get to talk about things that were. men, we're not meant to talk about as justice.

Right, right, right. Like more in your own personal. Yeah. And we did an interview just before. And we were, it was very serious. And I was just thinking, that's nice because like you manage like to make us talk about things. And not that don't make us come across as like being like too self-serious and hopefully. So yeah, a lot of good things.

Thanks, guys. So we know it shows. Yeah, we're friends. You're friends with Taranatha? That's right. Saranatov. Okay, cool. I'm basically French, except for the part that I don't speak French.

And I love Jack Matthews band. That's nothing. Just those two things are the only thing stopping. Well, thanks. I had a really good time with you guys, too. I think you're really fun and funny, and people should know more about that. I listened to the BBC interview with you. It was very serious.

And I was like, let these guys have a joke, babe. like they're fun, come on. Okay, last question. What do you guys want to plug, number 24? What does it mean? What do we want to plug? Like, what do you want people? Like, you came, the reason you're here is not because we're good friends

and you wanted to talk to me for an hour, but it's because you have a new album probably. It doesn't matter. Then look it up. No, one thing that everybody should know about, and I think the translation from French or English is quite good. is Challengers of the Mephithic. It's a comic book

and I think you can find it on like Apple books Challengers of the Mephitic by Pierre LaPolice. Go check that. We want to plug this. Is that your friend or you just really like that book? No, we don't know him. No, but actually like it's very precise, at least in French.

I don't know how it sounds in English, how it reads in English. Challenges of the metaphysics? of the mephitic. Methetic. Yeah, the evil, you know, like the... Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. Okay.

And actually the way they... I mean, like, it all relies on the language sharpness. And in French, it's amazing. But the way they translated like the title, because in French it's called Les Practician de L infernal makes me have faith that it... That the translation is good. Yeah, that we work in English.

Wow, I love this. So you guys were like, album, shmalbo. I needed you to read this extremely highbrow, thoughtful, philosophical book. And that is on France. Okay, well, thanks, you guys. This was so fun. I had a really good time with you.

I think we bonjed. I know you're not going to take that and put it into your world because it's ham, but I'm still going to ride with it. And good luck with everything this year, Bib. Thank you, syn to notes. Thanks for listening to 24-4-1. and thanks to my guests, Zavier and Gaspar of Justice.

Justice is a new album Hyperdrama is out everywhere April 26th. Go to Justice.com. That's right, dot church, for tour dates and more. This episode is produced by Jesse Miller Gordon and Chris Sutton with help from Justin Sales. Our gorgeous theme song was composed by Heather Fortune. Special thanks to Trevor DeBraw, Sean Fennessee, Rob Harvilla, and my television program, The Rookie. come back every Tuesday for a new episode of 24 question party people on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. 24 question party people.