Bandsplain - 24 Question Party People: Kat Moss of Scowl

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

Despite being raised with the belief that nobody is special, Kat Moss is a special frontperson for a special band. Since their inception, Scowl have become one of the hardest-working bands out there, constantly touring and releasing challenging, catchy, aggressive music. Kat joins us this week to dive deep with Yasi into having a potentially wild astrological chart, how pivotal your first favorite band can be, and the power of vulnerability. Also, Radiohead is very good. Tune in for all that and more this week on '24 Question Party People.' Host: Yasi SalekGuest: Kat MossProducer: Jesse Miller-GordonAssociate Producer: Chris SuttonAdditional Production Supervision: Justin SaylesTheme Song: Hether Fortune Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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24 question party people Hello and welcome to 24 question party people. I am your host, Yossi Salick. This is a show where I invite an interesting person on for a little talk. I ask the same 23 questions every time, more or less, plus one wild card. The guest is allowed to skip one question if they want. Sometimes the questions change a little. Listen, you guys, I've been thinking again.

I'm not fucked up. I keep trying to not be doing that. And then off, off I go, pondering, thinking about stuff. What I've been thinking about a lot lately is how broken communication has gotten. That's right. Some light vibes for you right now. I just, yeah, I just like, I can't stop thinking about how broken communication has gotten, how bad most of us have gotten at talking to each other in any meaningful or even just like,

I hate to use the word normal, but like normal way. Like just how difficult it's become for people to connect. I'm guilty of this also. I think part of it is, and insert picture of old man shaking fist at sky here, but part of it is obviously the internet and social media, of course. Like we're so used to just unilaterally or unidirectionally or whatever, like sending out missives about ourselves. in a way that's not about exchange or yeah, I don't know.

It's not about really learning about another in discourse or dialogue. Obviously part of it is like our attention span has been diminished related back to the internet. Dopamine centers fried, mind overloaded, taking in 60 million pieces of information and news and memes and political stances and images of war. from all over the fucking world, every single day of our lives, which I don't think our feeble human minds are built for. But yeah, like I said, I'm just as guilty of it as anyone else, maybe even more, even though obviously in some ways it is my job to have a conversation with people. But I catch myself on these episodes, babe, waiting for my turn to say my thing,

right instead of like really taking in what the other person is saying like y'all if you're sitting in the car mean like i don't do that yeah fucking right bitch you know you do that you know you did that already today you know you sat there while someone was saying something you're like mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm when you're to stop talking so i can say my thing here's my thing isn't it brilliant how clever am i aren't i cool and that's just i think fine it's normal um we want to be loved we want to be loved we want to want to be accepted. But yeah, it's just like I catch myself doing that in these conversations or even like missing opportunities to ask like really good follow up questions, right, that might open up some other level of conversation. Sometimes that's because my enemy time is

breathing down my throat. Do we say that? Is someone, is time breathing down my throat? My neck, I guess. They're connected. Anyways, it's because I feel the pressure of time. I don't want to take up someone's time too much. I've been told by a very stern publicist. We don't have that much time. I myself have a very fraught relationship with time. But also sometimes it's because I'm thinking, you know, more about how am I coming across than the actual exchange and the conversation. There you go.

It do be playing tricks. I stop making New Year's resolutions more or less because what's the point? But I guess if I were to make one now, as we're like, you know, a month out from 2024, I think I'd say I really want to, this is Ernest goes to camp, here I go again. But I would say I really want to get better at connecting. I had dinner with a friend the other day, okay? Because I'm already sort of like on my connecting shit. I'm reading a book about how to know people. I'm researching as I do. But anyways, I had dinner with this friend. And I was like, okay. I'm going to do this. I'm really going to focus on like asking a lot of questions and like really trying to dig down, get to know her more, learn more about her life. And it's so strange, right? Because I think what we don't even realize besides the fact that we've gotten bad at this is that sometimes now people don't even want that anymore because we're also used to the way it is now where we're just like texting memes and perfunctory how are you and then performing information to each other. And that's just like

the normal way of conversation, that anything outside of that becomes like kind of uncomfortable and off-putting, right? Like, you're weird if you don't do that. I got, you know, more than usual out of that dinner conversation. But at the same time, like, it's funny because I'm not really sure she asked me more than one single question in the entire 90 minutes. And I don't hold that against her. It's just how it is now, right? I think, like I said, people are not in the practice or habit of this sort of connection. But like, I don't want it to be like that in my life anymore as much as I can help it. I mean, I think that's a lofty goal, right? But it's even if it gets 10% better, it's probably worth it. This is like real New York Times op-ed hours. But like the

amount of people whose self-report is lonely is so fucking high lately. Like it's higher than it's ever been. Don't quote me on that, but I'm almost positive. It's true. And it's way more than 50%. And I think, I think that's A, really sad. But also, it's not because people don't have other people in their lives, right? Most people do have other people in their lives. They have friends. They have colleagues. It's because people don't know how to connect anymore. But I think we can learn again. Fucking Ernest goes on the soapbox over here. Like, I'm sorry. Like, I really I think it's so necessary. It's primal. Like we, this is a thing that humans, and we tell stories, we connect with each other. Do I think we should still send memes? Ab's the fucking lootly, babe.

Of course, you'll have to pry memes out of my cold dead hands. Never take the memes away. I'm just saying in addition to the memes, maybe we ask a few probing questions here and there. Maybe instead of waiting for our turn to talk, we lean in and listen to what someone is telling us about their life. and think about our response. That's all just fucking, you know, real didactic hours over here. Sorry, I don't know, I woke up. This is what happens when my mind gets to thinking I need to go back to lobotomy. But I am so glad that while I'm embarking on this good vibes, prayer flags, we are the

World Connection mission, that my guest for this week's episode happened to just end up being one of the most open, thoughtful and present subjects I've had on the show to date. Cat Moss, Miss Catmoss, the front woman of the hardcore band Scowl. She's only in her early 20s, but man, if I had that kind of wisdom and perspective at that age, far beyond a lot of old bags I know, you know what I'm saying. I guess screaming your feelings on stage while people stare at you, Foster's growth. I don't know. I still need to try it.

these hardcore band coming 2024. Anyway, here's my talk with Cat Moss. 24. You guys, welcome to the program, Cat Moss of the gorgeous band Scout. Kat, I'm so happy to be talking to you. I'm so happy to be here. This is an audio-only podcast, but I must tell you guys that her hair is just giving. Like, it is, it is lustrous, it is vibrant. It looks like it was literally manic-panicked this month.

morning, not a fade in sight, a beautiful little black trim at the bottom. I'm loving it. I just got it done yesterday. So, like, there's no root in sight. It's so good. I feel very refreshed. I feel like new. It makes you feel, it makes you feel like you're on top of the world. Yeah, absolutely. That's how I feel when I die my graze, which you'll know about much later in life, bib, and I don't wish it upon my worst enemy. But that's now, now that's my fun manic panic moment when I go and pay my hair lady to please cover up my grays every two to three weeks. Yeah, love it. It's gorge.

It's gorge. Okay, a few things before we jump into these questions. Number one, obviously, Scal put out a beautiful EP this year, psychic dance routine. Just a perfect little compilation of several songs. I, of course, love opening night because I'm basic. But my favorite is sold out because you sound so fucking sick on that song. That's so cool. I'm glad you love that song because I kind of fought with the song like lyrically and vocally.

And I'm I love performing it now because it's so bouncy and fun and like it's punchy. Totally. But we, that was like the last song we wrote in that EP and I just, I was like, how do I Frankenstein this song together? How do I come up with like a concept here? And you did. You did it beautifully. Yeah, it does have, it does have like a very strong sense of ten. in it, which maybe is what I like relate to or or that resonates with me. Long time listeners of

this pot or the other pod might know that it, I was going to say was, but I still hold the candle of my dream to be a hardcore band front woman. So I'm very jealous of you. I don't have any of the necessary talents or skills to do this besides like an extreme amount of charisma, but no vocal skills to speak of. I mean, I think anyone can do it. You just have to like, I can train. It's kind of like, I mean, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, but I feel like having the charisma is like a big part of it. I had none of that when we started. I really didn't. I was so. I don't believe you. I was scared of the world. You couldn't have been that scared if you were like, oh, yes, I'm very shy and scared. I know what I'll do. I'm going to put together a band in which I go

stand on stage and scream and everyone looks at me. There was definitely like a like a sissy fist. Like am I able? Am I really able to do this? Right. Every show in the beginning, like the first year I was like, I don't know. I don't know about this one. Guys, I think I'm going to quit. And then of course, they'd be fine.

I would do it. That's a terrible metaphor, babe, because that means you're just going to keep drop. The ball is going to keep rolling down the hill. Like you're never going to achieve what you set out to achieve. Perhaps maybe not the best metaphor. Not like that in the best. beginning. It absolutely felt like that. Like I was like,

I just, I don't know, I don't know. And then something kind of of maybe perhaps clicked and these days I feel a little bit like I can tap into this like character on stage where I got this. Like it's a bit more rocky, you know? Yeah. What an incredible thing to

overcome. And like how cool to know yourself well enough to be like I don't know what put words in your mouth but like this is my interpretation. like I really want to do this thing, but I'm the most scared in the whole world. But I know that if I make myself, at the very least, I'll like grow. No, that's exactly it. You nail on the head.

Like I couldn't have put it better because I feel like I've tried to over-explain it so many times. It absolutely is just kind of like I've lived in a lot of fear and anxiety as most young people do. And it was like, I need to like actually jump. for once. I need to like get, get on the ride and not, not like, whuss out, you know, like, just need to commit. Well, it's like a very vulnerable thing. And the thing that I think, you know, can be extrapolated to anyone who is also, is not maybe starting a hardcore band, but is just dealing with vulnerability in their life is that vulnerability is the scariest thing in the world, but it also, every time you do it and you don't die, it gets stronger and you learn,

like, okay, wait, I can do this a little bit more. I didn't die. Exactly. Maybe I didn't like crush. Maybe I wasn't the best thing in the entire world, but I didn't die. Yeah, I got a real sneak peek into your psyche while reading some of the interviews, specifically one in which that you said your favorite tarot card was the three of swords, which literally sent me to the moon because arguably that is one of the worst one. There's no bad tarot cards, right? Like, obviously you're a tarot girlie. none of them are bad per se. But the one that is closest to being bad is the three of swords. If you guys aren't familiar, it's the one that's like a heart being pierced by three swords. Sicavitry. I just relate to the constant like kind of like the trials.

And I relate to the like experience. I would say that card and the death card, like both being like constant like renewal of like self. like constant healing of the skin, you know, experience through pain and like something I'm relatively kind of like new to recently actually is like, oh, like healing doesn't have to be painful. Right. But to be fair, like my, I feel like my whole life, it's always been this kind of like really ultimate painful experience.

And I found to be very like to embrace that a lot. And like now it's at a point where I'm like, oh, like peace is like kind of more scary. And then I actually like put myself in a peaceful lifestyle or like, you know, make life changes and start to experience that like and get used to that change of pace. It's like, whoa, wait, what was, what have I been doing? Like, what is this?

But I mean, it's also like an artist's trope to be like, I need pain and I need these like painful experiences and this like deep anxiety or depression or whatever to create art and like recognizing that that isn't necessarily like true. Right. We talk about this a lot on the show

because I'm like it's very funny to me that people think that they need to manufacture that where it's like just being alive bitch, you're going to have it all the time. There's no escaping it. There's no escaping it. There's no escaping. Not you, but yeah, no, like, it's, there's no, that's exactly it, though. I feel like I've, like, recently been, like, tucking myself into bed with the thought of, like, you're just getting up every day and wanting to experience your utmost joy.

Whatever happens, happens. Like, it's, like, you're here for God knows why. Like, just have fun with it. Like, party while you're here. Like, yeah, because bad feelings will definitely come. like regardless of like what your attentions are that's because like you said that's the cycle like I mean that is ultimately like you were saying the three of swords is about and the death card too and to an more extreme uh version but like it's really just about how severe pain and heartbreak

are our best teachers and like the transformation that you experience through them is like priceless. And so you don't need to have pain to heal, but when you do have pain, there's such an opportunity for healing. Yeah. And I think that's why those are like cards I really like embrace now is because I embrace the, the process of learning. I think I spent a long time in my life when I was younger. I mean, I'm still young. But like I, like when I was, I felt like I was fighting it so much. I was fighting the pain and kind of like trying to like, well, like, in certain ways wallowing in the sadness, I was kind of like fighting the learning side of it. And now I like really heavily embrace it. I'm like, no, it's beautiful. Like it hurts, but it's beautiful.

Yeah. My therapist always has something that really helps me, which is always like, you can't, I mean, we have like core wounds and stuff, right? And they don't ever, they don't ever heal for like, it's not like, oh, fix that. But the like time span in between when you're like sort of triggered, excuse me. the fucking therapy language, but like you, y'all know what you got into with this here podcast. Yeah, when you're like activated or trigger or whatever and not fighting it and sort of like letting it take its course becomes shorter and shorter. And then you're not living in that space of fighting the learning, which can last so much longer if you do fight it. I love what you're saying because it's so relatable to everything. Like in right now, like all the little lessons I feel like I'm learning, like, going through my life right now. Like, every time I feel triggered or emotionally deregulated, I've been making an

effort to just be like, no judgments, no judging the feelings, just letting them happen, like paying attention to how they manifest in my body and like what makes me feel these ways and like just letting it kind of happen. And then it's like, oh my God, like I'm not having a panic attack anymore. having, I just had a little moment. Yeah, a little moment. Wasn't it cool before when we were like the biggest sponsors to ourselves? We were like, I feel bad.

And on top of it, I'm going to be mad at myself and yell at myself for feeling bad to make myself feel double bad. What was the reason? What was the reason? No, we were not thinking about it. A second thing I learned about you that really made me feel close to you was that like myself, although quite a bit younger, you are a pavement stand. I love pavement. I have two pavement tattoos, babe. That's so cool. I love them more with my whole heart and soul.

And I love that, I love that you love them. You came to them via harness your hopes. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, being... I'm not a name three songs kind of bitch, babe. I don't care. I think an ex-boyfriend taught me about him, like many of my musical things.

And thank you to the men who have mansplained bands to me. I actually respect and admire you, and I'm thankful for the taste. that you preferred on to me. No, I definitely have had men show me a lot of really good music. They have a purpose. They hang art. They show you music.

But no, yeah, Pavement, Harness Your Hopes. I think I've heard it maybe on like a TikTok or something. It's very big on TikTok. Real shit. I feel like I walk in between the like Gen Zian millennial like life. I was born in 1997. So like I, this was like in 2020, maybe before the pandemic hit though. like early 2020 and I found that song and I was like wow this song fucking hits yeah it was such a

random one to hit because we were all like damn of all the pavement songs that is the one that got TikTok famous but like god god speed it's a good song but it's crazy that that's a B side like that's the shocking part to me is like when I went and like kind of was like okay what's with this band yeah I thought I was like a music person I didn't really have like a 90s I don't know I had to like really get into it around that time. And pavement was kind of the beginning. It was like pavement, Sonic Youth, and then I just started like...

You opened to Pandora's Box. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And so much angsty, feedbacky guitar flew right out. I mean, I was, I'd been listening to hardcore for years, but like punk and hardcore, but I didn't pop punk and all that fun stuff. But like, I don't know, the 90s stuff really hit me. And it started, it opened, yeah,

The Pandora's box just like smacked me in the face. And it was like, you thought you were a music fan. You thought you were a music listener? Like, uh-uh. I mean, you were born in 1997. I think you could have a little grace for yourself. That's a lot to go back and you didn't live through it, you know, which doesn't mean you can't love bands that you didn't live through it.

But like there's a, and they weren't, they were barely on MTV. You know, that's a deep dive. Yeah, absolutely. I, my music or punk elitism has just, just slowly drained out of my body. Like my feminism. Yeah. Oh my God.

You know how on Lilo and Stitch? She draws like his bad meter. I don't bet because I'm 41 years old, but please explain it to me. Like I don't care about Disney that much, to be honest. But like it's a feel good movie. He like does a drawing of this little alien creature stitch. And he has like a badness,

like a little meter of how bad he is. And it's slowly going down as they, like, expose him to more, like, human kindness. I don't know. Yeah, compassion. Well, my music, my punk elitism has just slowly drained out of me over the years as I've, like, exposed myself to more, like, music history and pop music. And also, like, weird niche, like, subgenres of things. And, like, kind of going through these phases where, like, I can't listen to anything,

but like ambient music drone and I'm just like what has become of me? Give me a couple months and I'll get you I'll get you on Dave Matthews band train as well it seems like you're you're almost primed for that you've almost gotten to the place where I can get you on board with Dave Matthews band.

I'm embracing all of these moments. Dave Matthews is punk spiritually I would make that argument he really he dances like no one's watching just that that spoke to me that's what I'm saying Okay, Kat, should we get into the questions? Let's get into it.

Okay, number one, Cat Moss, what is your astrological sign? I'm a Virgo. Okay, but I know you're not to be a misogynist, but I know you know you're a big three, so let's hear the rest. Okay, thank you. She's like, I will not be defined by my sun sign. Okay, so here's the deal. I'm a Virgo sun. I am an Aquarius moon.

Oh, wow. I'm really, really quirky and I'm so different. No, but it's amazing. So of course you're a front woman for a hardcore band. You had it in you the whole time. That's inside you. You just had to like get it to come on onto the stage. And I have a Gemini rising. I'm not judging, babe. I always feel like when I tell people my big three, they're either like kind of excited because they are, they're realizing the chaos that might begin to ensue. Oh, yeah. Or they're like, oh, you're crazy a little. Well, you literally narrowly avoided becoming a serial killer because I will say this is absolutely the big three of a serial killer. But it doesn't mean that you have to be a serial killer. There's many. Aquarius is one of my favorite signs because I think it's so far away from my understanding of my signs.

But I'm so obsessed with it because Aquarius quintessentially does not care what anyone else thinks. Like this is this is in. But so in your deepest, most true. truthful self. You don't care what the people think. But there's a tension. Yes. To be fair, the rest of my chart, like I have quite a bit of Scorpio going on, which just really creates this like, I'm so different. I'm so quirky. Nobody. Nobody understands me. I love the death card. Yeah, yeah. It's like, okay, we get it, bitch. But at the same time, the Virgo is very humbling, I feel like, because she just overthinks. She's hard on her.

herself. She's hard on everyone. Perfectionist for sure. I'm working on that one. Hard on not only myself, but everyone around me. The standards are way too high. So definitely working through that aspect. But I think the other sides of it,

the Aquarius and Gemini, like, kind of help bring the charisma instead of being like stiff, you know? Well, even Virgo, honestly, Virgo's are pretty charismatic. Virgo and Gemini are both ruled by Mercury. So like that communication,

and like, you know, able to like communicate your message is very strong. And many musicians are Virgo's. Keanu Reeves. Uh. Recently on this podcast. Also a Virgo. Also Virgo. Just mentioning who loves discharge, by the way.

I don't know if you know that. We have so much in common. That's what I'm saying. That's what I said. I was like, he just like me for real. Yeah. That's crazy. I love this chart.

This is very far away from me. Mine is mostly earth and fire. so I don't have any Oh, I'm a Gemini Mercury which is why I have this job because it's like the literal talking communicating placement What's your sun sign really quick?

I'm just curious. Torres, also my rising. I'm like a deeply tourist person but then I have an Ares moon so I'm also Mentailio. I love all of that. My sister, who's my best friend, is also a tourist.

I love it. And one of my other best friends like lifelong best friend is also a tourist. and then I have a Taurus in the band. Our drummer, Cole, is a Taurus. I'm biased, but I think Taurus is the best sign. I love you guys.

You've taught me so much. We love to buy things. We love to eat things. We love to relax, but we're very hardworking. It's a loyal. It's a good mix. I do have my Aries Moon and an Ares Venus, absolute worst possible fucking placement for your Venus,

both in the 12th house, cursed, which, but cursed, like which that lives alone on the hill. But, but you know who else has an Aries moon and an Ares Venus? Miss Rihanna. Oh, I would run away with her. That's what I'm saying. So like, I'll take it. If she knocked on my door and was like, yeah, drop everything.

Come with me. I would say, okay. Yeah, whatever, I'll clean your makeup brushes, whatever you want me. Literally, I, whatever you want. I love that. I don't know. I think tourists have taught me so much about myself, like, taught me how to slow down. taught me how to enjoy the little things

and not without me being stubborn about it but like it's because Taurusas are more stubborn than I am and that's a feat 100%. My dad is a Virgo so I have this Torres Virgo my whole life. My dad was like this needs to be perfect and I'd be like no it doesn't

No baby it's okay no I did okay All right number two Cat Moss what did you eat today for those of you listening, it is 11, 28 a.m. I took a picture of what I ate this morning because... For the gram.

Private Graham. Like, I'm a really big fan of taking a picture of things and then not posting it because it makes me feel like, I don't know what it is in my solitude. Right, you're like, this is just for me to refer back to later. I love my privacy. I love my like little scroll through my camera roll and be like, wow. I did so much, but like it's only for me. And every now and again, I'll like post some things on my story, whatever.

But like, anyways, food. I had, I made myself a bagel, but I only had, this is going to be a long story. I'm sorry. Please, I have all the time in the world. To talk about food? Yeah. I had, I only had one everything bagel left. I made a fried egg.

I had some microgreens. Gorgeous. And some avocado on one side of the bagel. So fried egg, micro greens, avocado, right? Other side of the bagel was cream cheese, spinach, and lox. And I went hard on it. And I'm getting over like a cold. So I had my elderberry shot, like juice shot, banana.

I was covering all my food groups. I'm so proud of myself. I love this. You got plenty of protein. This is a really balanced meal. I'm so proud of myself because it's really hard for me. A lot of times I'm just going to like maybe eat a banana and drink my cup of coffee. No, babe, don't do that.

You need to get protein. You need to get 30 grams of protein in the morning. I need you to get on this train. You are an athlete, basically. Yeah, I've realized that recently. I don't supplement like an athlete. But you should. Yeah, I've been sick like literally every month this year.

I've gotten sick so much because I'm exposed to so much and I travel so much. but I'm so tired. Here's what we're going to get you. We're going to get you beekeepers naturals. Propilus throat spray. You're going to get like 10 bottles of that. Make sure you have one in every bag. And while you're on tour,

you spray that bitch like four times a day. I'm telling you it's going to save your life. There's also a nasal spray. If you do end up getting a little sick, that helps. But you can use the throat spray. We'll prevent it. Then get yourself some athletic greens.

Okay. I'm telling you, I'm not sponsored by them, though I have begged shamelessly over and over. Not the feminism reentering my body, but perhaps it's because I'm a bit of a vocal, fried dumb bitch podcaster and maybe not, you know, like a doctor of neuroscience podcaster, but whatever. It changed my life. And it comes with a cute little shaker. They have travel packets, so you can just take it on the road every morning, gets all your nutrients,

has probiotics, could not be healthier for you. Oh my gosh. Well, now I know. For next year, babe. I'm going to need a link. I will send you all the links. Because you tour a lot. Yeah. I know you're a young woman, but it's never too early to start focusing on your health.

Yeah. I recently said I put my foot down and I was like, you know what? I need to take my vitamins, but I will stare at the bottle and just not take them every day. So I was like, I'm going to make myself feel guilty. I'm going to spend a little extra. I'm going to get like personalized vitamins. Yeah. And they're like getting delivered.

So I think I'm going to feel perhaps a bit more inclined. Right. Virgo's don't like to waste money. I'm so sick of being sick. Yeah. We're going to get in front of this for you because again, you're doing athletics. So another reason I feel like I would be a good hardcore front woman because I'm in really good shape.

Yeah. Okay. Let's go. Oh, yeah. No, that's not a problem. Truly lift weights. I do at all. I'm ready to get on stage.

front flip, whatever needs to be done. So you're just like Henry Rollins, but a girl. Basically, honestly, pretty much. I'm taller. But other than that, yeah, I think we're very similar. Okay. Number three, Kat, did you listen to music today? And if so, what was it?

I feel like some of that ambient drone noise music that you were talking about earlier. Here's what happened. I fell asleep listening to music. And I woke up listening to the, music that I felt like in headphones. I have a thing where I like to just put it on my phone like just play it and like turned down the volume enough on like a maybe like a like a low key playlist like I actually just started I made a new

playlist and it's it's all kind of like I've got like duster on here and Mojave 3 and yeah so the song I woke up to was space 8 by Nala Sinephro Okay, Nala Sinephra. I mean, I have no idea how to pronounce it. Either apologies to this man or woman or group of people. I really am not sure. I'm such a music listener and I just, I don't know much about, who am I kidding?

I don't know. She is a, I'm like looking at the Spotify thing. Reading the Spotify, Maya. Burian Belgian composer, musician living in London. So this record, it's called space 1.8 it's a beautiful record and it's very like

ambient deep listening like it has like some jazzyish moments I don't know it's gorgeous it's great to fall asleep too I love always sleep to music not always but I really like to

this last year specifically because I've traveled so much and I've flown a lot I've found that like when I'm on a plane I get a lot of anxiety on planes I put my headphones on and I put on some music, some ambient kind of stuff or maybe like a

good record that I like to fall asleep to is like amnesiac by Radiohead. Oh, such a fucking good one. I don't know about falling asleep to it because I need absolute silence and pitch darkness or I can't sleep and it's a difficult thing. I have weird sleeping tendencies. I don't know. I started mouth taping recently. Have you done this? No, but I want to. I'm telling you.

nose again. Yes, I fuck with it heavily. I would really recommend it. At first, it's like a little strange, but then you get so used to it and you feel so good when you wake up, especially in the winter because you know how your wake up and your throat is like, like you like inhaled sand all night. And this stops that because you're not breathing through your mouth. I hate mouth breathing. Me too, but I can't help it when I fall asleep. It's just I'm not in control anymore. No, I wake up with like a pool of drool by my face almost every day. Yeah, same. If I don't mouth tip, I do know. Yeah. Yeah. What kind of tape do you use? I found this kind on Amazon. There's two kinds. So there's one that's like a little X that goes over your mouth. I thought it wouldn't work, but that one works totally fine. But I had this other one that's more of like a rectangle that goes around your mouth but is open in the middle. That one also works really well. That one's called myotape. They don't have it on Amazon.com. I had to order it from their website. That's absolutely nuts. I love it. Look at me out here doing free plugs for everyone listening. Send me a box, myotap. I believe they're German.

You know what? Okay. You know what? Okay. Sure. Go off. All right. Number four, Catmoss. What is the first song that made a meaningful impact on you as a child? That's a real. Oh man, we're getting... You're going to have to out yourself because you were born in 1997. Probably be something like kind of... I mean, I don't know if this is basic, but like, I feel like it would be like, we are the champions by Queen or something. Like, you know what I mean?

Okay, I needed you to talk more about where are you going to sports events with your family? Yeah. Like driving in the car like, oh, you might like this song. I feel like it was something like that or like, I mean, my first favorite band was the Beatles when I was real.

Well, okay. Are your parents like hip? No. Okay. But they're like Jenach. My mom and dad, so they had me trying to think of what generation they are. Are they older than 42 or 43? Yes.

My parents are in their 60s. Oh, so they're boomers maybe. Oh, they might be Gen X still. They may be the very tail end of Gen X. So my mom, though, she's German. She's like, she grew up in Germany. Like the mouth tape people. Exactly.

So she has like a kind of different, like I mean, obviously music is. that different. It's just German pop music and like the things that were popular there were like 90 and Luft balloons. Yeah. Namely. But so like the Beatles was like a big band obviously everywhere. You know, like lemonade is a popular drink and always has been. But my parents weren't really like music people when I was a kid. I mean they liked music before they had kids but but I think they just stopped being interested in that stuff when when their lives were overtaken by jobs. Sure. Yeah. Like normal people unlike people like us who unfortunately make it our entire life.

Yeah, like totally normal people. Like, I don't know. Left field for me to be like such a annoying music person. But yeah, I remember my mom showed me I feel like it could have been you know what, I know exactly what it is, on my own accord without anyone showing me.

There you go. That's what I want to hear. I loved Hillary Duff. Yes, bitch. Now you're speaking my fucking language. That or... Perfect. Didn't feel so perfect, babe. I'm with you, but I fall down and wake my dreams. Okay, so punk adjacent.

Both of those CDs I had and I would play them on my little hello kitty like boombox and in my room and like dance in front of the mirror. And I would have like my main character moment and just like feel like I was a performer. Sure. This is when you forgot the bug. Yeah. That is exactly it. I remember I think maybe I had like a slight, maybe like wish upon a falling star moment when I was really little where I was like, I want to be a pop star one day. Did you have a good singing voice? Like did you always know that you could sing? No. No. No. No. I was never like a singer type. Like I was never the like I was way too shy and like just didn't have the, uh, the uppers. bringing of like, like, my mom was very against the whole idea of like, yeah, it feels very

German what you're saying. I'm going to put her on black, but she did not fuck with the whole idea that like everybody's special. Right, totally. People that don't grow up with immigrant parents won't understand this, but I'm so right here with you, babe. Oh my gosh, thank you. And it's weird because like, I mean, that's a very American mentality to be like, everyone is special. Everyone's like, my parents are like, you go get straight days, bitch. And then maybe we'll see if you can be special, aka get a good job. We don't really care if you're special. No, exactly. And my mom was like, look, do your fucking chores. You provide and you set the table correctly, like sit at the table, like have good manners, like, you know, this, that. She loves

me and my sister, by the way. She loves us. Of course. Oh, my God. My parents would lay down in traffic for me. That's not at all what we're saying. And also, I'm sorry, I just want to say, now that I've become older and perhaps more like my parents than I'd like to admit, I do think it's damn. I think that everyone's special thing is damaging. Yeah, no, the whole idea that everyone's special can be damaging because I think you get plopped into the real world and you realize like, you got to do something to be even. I'm literally shaking, old man shaking my fist at the fucking Sky Simpsons meme, but I'm like every generation that comes up, I'm like, why are you like this? Like you think that like people are just supposed to hand you on a fucking silver platter.

Like what I don't know, you didn't even try. You didn't even work hard. I literally sound like a absolute 85 year old person. But I also think it's damaging because I think people misinterpret it as I'm better than other people. And that's not helpful. Like everyone's unique and different than other people, but no one's better than anyone else. Exactly. And I, yeah.

I think, I think. to my little rant there. No, it's okay. I agree. And I think, like, yeah, having, like, a mother who's, like, an immigrant, like, kind of, like, having that, like, family first, like, you have to prove yourself to the world. You're not just, like, born special, like, kind of mentality. And then my dad who is very American and, like, you know, but, like, they're both, my parents

are boomers. Like, my dad had to, he has the mindset of, like, you have to work very hard to provide. to provide and don't stop. And so most of my life, I don't think I really proved to them that I was doing much until the last two years where they kind of realized like, oh, okay, you're doing something.

We don't understand it, but we love that you're happy. That was a big moment. So they were never like, you know, cat's a star, cats a singer. Like my mom, she loves me and she felt like I was very special and she was always proud of me. you know, but like in a different way, you know, I don't know.

Sure. I mean, look, that's fine. That's not necessary. I don't think. And it probably helped you, honestly, because you didn't become a little bitch, you know? I think I think it can be a little bitch, but like. In a different way. Of certain type style, parenting styles.

Yeah. No, I mean, that's amazing. And also, I'm sure, listen, who knows, you know, if they understand what you do. and understand your success. But, like, you clearly are successful on what you set out to do, and you're still very young. I think I had made anything of myself

until, like, last year. And they still don't really understand what I do, per se, which is totally fine. Everyone's like, oh, do your parents listen to your podcast? I'm like, I hope not. Yeah, literally. We don't need that. We don't need them to be listening to this.

That's unnecessary. Do your parents come to Skowel shows? Yeah. actually, I'm trying to think about this. I think my mom and dad came to their first Scal show at the very tail end of last year or this year, if I'm remembering correctly. And I remember being so nervous

because I was like, well, I want to meet their standards of whatever they think. And I know that it's not their kind of music. Right, sure. Weirdly, oddly, I got my mom into like right when I was kind of starting to get out of, my little like warp tour phase,

I got my mom in to like stick to your guns and like bands like that, like metal core band. Your dad's like, I'm more of an earth crisis, girlie, so this is like not really giving for me, but I'm really proud of you. No, my dad's like a

he loves like country serious XM. Like he's really, he's a country guy through and through. But I have all his old like Bruce Springsteen records and stuff and like Neil Young and, you know, things like that. So I know there was, you know,

like, like Styx records in Boston and stuff. But yeah, no, I got my mom into it. So she, she fucks with it, actually. She's like, she's kind of into the punk stuff now, which is mind-blowing, because that was never the case when we were younger.

Like, she liked Metallica. That was cool. But she didn't really, like, show me that. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Totally. Music tastes just kind of like everywhere. But yeah, they came to a gig, a couple gigs. The most recent one was we played with Descendants and Circle Jerks. And that was so much fun.

But my mom was like, she like had a couple drinks and she saw me outside of the venue after our set. And she just starts screaming. And I'm like, Mom, chill. Like, it doesn't have to be like this. Like, Mom, chill. Like I was like, Oh my mom, stop. Like, you're rehearsing me in front of the descendants. But to be honest, like, I think if I told 13-year-old me that my life would be like this,

like she would have been like, fuck you, bitch, you're lying. Like, I hate my mom. Yeah, totally. Sometimes I do that in meditation or I'll literally go talk to my 13-year-old self. And I'll be like, don't worry. Like, everything that you were scared and, like, upset and self-hate, about, it all turns out okay, and it's all actually part of it. It was actually really good, and you're perfect. And it's very healing. I love speaking to my inner, not only my inner child,

but my inner preteen and my inner teenager. That's the one I talked to the most, that bitch with her frizzballs and her braces and her acne. Yeah, she was a nightmare. My teenage self was a nightmare, and I didn't realize it until really recently because I was kind of like, oh no, I was just really sad. I was pissed. Like, I was putting holes in the walls. I was pissed. Like, there was some stuff going on. There's, I think there's a lot of anger that comes up at that age, or at least it did for me, because it's like a really confusing time where you don't get to make adult decisions, but you feel like an adult in your mind. And this tension between the two is like really fucking stressful. And,

And also, like, the whole world is conspiring to make you feel bad about yourself all the time. Especially as a young woman, like, the feminine experience add in. Like, it's, the whole world is also conspiring to be like, to convince you that you need to change yourself, that you hate yourself, that you're not good enough, that you need to buy this or buy that. But you don't even have the means to buy those things. You know, like, you're not at a, I remember, like, wishing and begging and, like, hoping sometimes to wake up as, like, a different person. or like, you know, like, I would be so jealous of the girls in school who, like, clearly had money and clearly had, like, all the things they wanted, like, material things. I was like, oh, like, they get to go shop at Victoria's Secret Pink and Juicy Couture.

Like, I was, like, I remember buying, like, fake juicy Couture earrings at the flea market. Like, you know what I mean? Like, just, like, begging and hoping and wishing, like, to wake up with this, like, idea of like money or privilege or something because and like not being able to change that you know like yeah and feeling trapped by it yeah like and it's silly because it's all just it's just things yeah it's crazy like I I was so concerned with just things you know it's pretty common I feel really lucky in one sense because the 90s it was the best decade and part of that was that like at least the first half where I grew up in like that wasn't the thing like literally like

was like thrift store clothes were cool. And thrift store clothes back then were literally a quarter. And like that was the best. I just wanted to wake up and not be ugly. And that didn't happen for, oh, I don't know, 20 years. But that's fine. One day it happened. It happened one day, bitch. So don't you guys worry. I know this is audio only podcast, but I'm very hot. So don't waste your tears on me. It all worked out. But yeah, it did. It sucks being a teenager. It just my little, my cousins' daughters are like 16 and 13 or 16 and 14. And the shit that they're obsessed with, I'm like angry. Like I was like yelling at them at Thanksgiving because they're like spending their allowance money on like drunken elephant skincare products at Sephora. And I'm like, bitch, you're 16. You will never have better skin. This is the skin that people pay thousands of dollars

to the dermatologist to make it look like this. You're setting your money on fire. You don't need hyaluronic acid, you're 16. But they're just like, it's just like a, it's TikTok. It's like all the, you know, that's like the self-care industrial complex has made them feel like it's cool to like, and they mostly just collect it, which is so interesting to me. I'm like, oh, thank God

we didn't have that. Like, I mean, I, there was stuff I wanted to buy, but wasn't, it was like, I used Nogzema, you know? It was like lip smackers and stuff. I was kind of like right in the interview where like I was on YouTube and getting like influenced by like YouTube makeup artists and stuff. But I was still going outside and like riding my bike.

Yeah. You know? Like for me it was like I was reading like 17 magazine and it was like, oh my God, like get this like L'orell like fucking eye shadow compact like and get the perfect look for prom. And like I mean, I didn't, I went to one prom. It wasn't even my own high school's prom. I was so like in between wanting to like be this like idea of like, what a teenage girl was

but also was so so like anti like I was I still had like kind of a punk bone where I was like I have to be different I wanted to be like

against like I was always just struggling with that like and that's something that I've like come to terms with as an adult now I'm like oh like I can I can be both as a preteen I was like

so like am I allowed to shop at Hot Topic or am I allowed to shop at Claire's. I used to shoplift from both. So I am right there. Exactly. And like if you realize, oh, you can just shoplift from both. And then like, yeah, like my teenage years was kind of like realizing like I have a better time at the thrift store than I do H&M. Like, okay. Like, yeah, sure. I feel like I want to ask you this because I know for me it was Courtney Love like seeing a hole at like 13, 12, 13 years old and realizing that, like, it was possible to be angry and, like, punk or whatever,

but also really glam and, like, high femme. Like, I hadn't seen those things exist in one package before, and it was, like, very mind-blowing and expanding for me. Like, and that, like, kind of set my mind free of, like, what was possible to be as a woman. Like, did you have a... experience like that with like any artist when you were younger? It took me so, so long to come across an artist who did that for me. I think that I started to expand on that myself by the time I finally found like a punk band

that did that. And that was like bikini kill for me. It was like, here's someone who's like unapologetically outspoken about being like about feminism and about like it is full of rage about it but enough to where it's not it's not always pretty you know like being pretty is you can be pretty and you can yell about these things but you can also be like fuck you and sound like like you know like there's certain songs where Kathleen Hannah

is literally like growling and gurgling and just sounds like demonic right yes but she's literally saying fuck you boy you know like like white and like that that was so that just felt like finally I have something to explain that feeling like to be honest

I feel like the thing that personally hit closest at a young age before that was like Girard Way because Girard Way is very femme totally in the performance but you don't it's very like coded. And I didn't, that like connected with me in a way that I could not understand and that was

like a very subconscious for a long time until I got older and started to experience my high femme and my queer sides. And it clicked. I was like, oh my gosh, no wonder. You know, but yeah, like I would say Kathleen Hannah was maybe that experience. And I started to kind of come into that myself, like with Scal I'll say like kind of like doing that like rage fueled high femme moments and and it's a very euphoric

feeling like nobody really tells you like oh by the way when you start straddling these things and really pushing the envelope how special of a feeling it is as like as a femme person you know? Totally. Yeah. But it's a cool experience. I think like some of like

the most holistic way to be alive is to embody both, you know, divine feminine and divine masculine qualities. And like, anger is definitely a divine masculine quality. But to sort of hold that within a divine feminine space is such like a whole experience, like a encompassing experience. Yeah. It's, it's hard to put words too. It's, it feels very euphoric. It feels like maybe like there's kind of a nirvana there for me personally. No, Kurt Cobain. You know. Totally. Yeah. Like.

I think maybe that's a little bit like what I'm chasing when I'm performing too is just that like divine masculine, divine feminine, like balance and kind of pushing them both to their extreme. I fucking love that. Number five, Cat, what is the first album you bought with your own money or shoplifted with your own two hands? I think it's my chemical romance, revenge. You were a Mike Em girlie.

That was the band that, oh wait, no, no, it was three cheers. it was three cheers for sweet revenge yeah revenge um we used to have this thing in this place in in Sacramento where I grew up like this like record store chain I can't remember what they're called

but there was a chain of like the music stores in Sacramento and yeah it was three cheers for sweet revenge in middle school I remember buying that and being like this is my holy grill before we did the bands play an episode on my chemical man's just one of the early ones I legitimately only knew

to Mike and Michael Romance songs just because, I think because of my age, I just missed them, you know? Like, they were like, they were for teenagers who were about 10 years younger than me and I just had like completely somehow didn't ever hear them.

And they're so good. There's literally that this is not a criticism or a judgment. I was like, oh, this is sick. Like, I'm not okay. It was a song I knew and I really fucked with that. But I was like, wow, like, this is such a new, because I grew up going to the Warp Tour also, but it was a very different warp tour. You know, that was like very like fat records, you know, unwritten law, like, no effects.

It was the, it was like sort of that, the very beginnings of pop punk, because it was like, you know, 94, but it had a very different vibe. And then by the time I stopped going is kind of when this thing I term is like more like punk for theater kids, but not in a bad way. Just like it's a more performance-based, more like gothic theater punk came onto the scene. And I really love it

because it has such an element of performance in it. It's funny because like that came around and I was really little. Like I was still pretty young. Like when I got into MyCem, I was 10. Like that was like the first band for me besides the Beatles.

Kind of an interesting progression. We want Beatles, my chemical romance. Completely. Everyone listens to both of those bands, most people. But like, I, the warp tours I started going to were very much the metal core, like, 2010. Like, are we talking like Blackvale Brides? Enter Shikari. Yeah, my first band shirt ever was Blackville Bride's shirt from Hot Topic.

That was, yeah, I remember going, yeah, and like seeing like, gosh, who was I seeing at Warp Tour? It was like... Paramour? No, I wish. I wish, God. I wasn't... See, I didn't start going to, like, concerts

until I was in my, like, later teens. So, like... Oh, my God, this is like... I was working at BuzzNet. This is, like, 2012, and I was a whole ass 30 years old. And I was learning about these bands because I never...

I was, like, embroiled in the culture. And I was like, who are these bands? The whole sentence names. They're wearing makeup. I don't know anything about this culture. I learned panic at the disco with an exclamation point. Seen kids.

Didn't know about that. Didn't know about it. I was like a self-recllaimed scene kid. Did you have like the raccoon, the raccoon tail or like the piece of hair that was like striped? I would part my hair like all the way on like the right of my head. and my whole left eye was covered with hair. And I remember giving myself layers with a shaving razor. And I remember I made my own raccoon tails

out of these like paint hair extensions from Hot Topic. And I also made my own fake snake bite piercings that I would wear to school. Like it was really crafty. love this. I dressed up as this for Halloween. I want to say like two years ago, like I went hard. Half the hair pieces, the raccoon, like I think I wore a Sanrio huge necklace. I like the whole thing. It was Paramore was playing on Halloween. I don't remember there or the Wiltern or something. And that's what I was, that was like my plans for the evening. Not one single person, babe, knew I was in a costume.

That costume did not register there. They were like, yes, there's. There's our fellow sis. She's here to party. Absolutely. Oh my gosh. I, yeah, that was a time. Sometimes I miss it. Every now and again, I'm like, maybe I'll go back. Don't do that severe side part, babe. I'm sorry, but it doesn't look good on anyone. I don't know who told those girls. It's just unflattering. My mom would get so mad at me because I'd always touch my bed, like, your hair's going to get greasy. Like, your hair's dirty. And I was like, I don't care, mom. Like, it's just so sorry. Whatever, mom. You can't tell me what to do.

Okay, number six, Cat, Ma, speaking of moms telling you what to do, did anyone in your childhood ever tell you, you're never going to make it or something like that like they'd do in the movies? And if so, who was it? And what did you say back? I feel like I'm about to put my family on blast here.

That's totally okay. My parents wanted me to be a CEO, so. Okay. My mom was my biggest hater and biggest supporter. So she was on a daily basis, weekly daily basis, there would be like a moment where she would check my grades. And she would be like, you're a failure. You're not going to go anywhere in life. You're just going to end up, you know, going to continuation high school.

You're going to get pregnant. You're going to be a drug addict. She was scaring you straight. You know, I don't know what was going on. I was just, I was sad. I was like, damn mom. I'm like, I just don't know how to do school. Yeah, I mean, some people are just not good at school.

It's not a measurement of the success you'll have in life. That's one of the worst things about our society is that we use that as some sort of like demarcation of how successful someone's going to be. When some people are just good at taking tests myself, I'm not good at anything actually, but I'm quite good at taking tests. I thrived in the school environment. You are so lucky. I just had, I didn't do my homework.

I just didn't do homework. I would sleep in class. I really, I love education, I love learning, but like, I didn't have that mindset about school at all when I was in it. I was like, I'm wasting my time. Yeah. I, like, convinced my soul I was wasting my time. I had no interest at all, no motivation. And my mom was pissed with my grades at all times. So she was, she was convinced I was a failure. And she told me, so proved her wrong a little bit. I did get really good grades and I still was told they were like, Oh, really? Should we talk about this A-minus? What happened here? We needed to discuss it. So as good as you can be, it doesn't really matter. Also, a fucking double-edged sort about being good at school is when you're good at something, people expect that you will do it because they are like, oh, you're good at it, you should do it. But there's tons of things that you might be good at that you don't enjoy. I think that's what it was. I think like if I applied myself, there would have been, like, I think a lot of my teachers were just kind of like, what's going on here? Because like, she's smart.

she's bright you know she's she just doesn't apply herself and I was like yeah I don't really care well you don't have to show your mom because your mom is already proud and already came and embarrassed you at the descendants show so you've already shown her and she's happy to know that she was wrong as opposed to some other haters who might not be happy to know that they're wrong exactly um all right number seven when was the last time you lied cat oh and that's like How deeply do you want to tell on yourself? Yeah, no, realistically, that's what I'm thinking. Because, like, I'd be telling white lies, you know?

Sure. Oh, for sure. Social lubrication. I never make anything. Yeah. Yeah, I never make anything up. And I'm not necessarily an exaggerator. I like to kind of, like, sometimes I just... Play with the truth, love.

Go with it. I'm like doing, like, a weird wave hand movement here. God. Okay, I know I lied about something recently. Not necessarily lied. just like downplayed the fuck out of something. It was something where I, I was kind of like,

yeah, like all good best wishes. Like, you know, like being very, very positive where underneath, I don't know if that's lying or rather just being like, you know, being the bigger person. But underneath I was like, like I'm going to fucking blow. Like just like, you know,

kind of like feeling eye twitchy like, oh, I'm going to lose my fucking mind. nap. But underneath I was, but on the exterior, I was like, no, like, it's totally cool. Like, best wishes. But inside I'm like, I'm praying on your fucking downfall. I think that depends. Yeah. If it's a person that you have like a close relationship with that you're going to harbor a resentment towards, then it's lying. If it's a person who it's like not worth the fucking time or effort to have a fucking fight with or to like piss off, then like that's just fucking getting on with your life and being like, all right, best witches, bitch, that's fine. I'm not going to get into it

with you. I don't care. So I guess that's like a context. The context is I was getting on with my life. Not so bad. Because like what's the point in telling like a person like that you're like, who cares about that they like bothered you or hurt your feelings? Like you're not going to have a productive talk with them. Yeah, it's just ain't worth it. I mean, I've, yeah, I'm trying to think of anything else that I've lied about that I'm willing to like put myself on blast about recently, but I'm just like, you know, I think that counts. I'll accept that one. That counts. We'll protect you from any other admissions of guilt. Okay, number eight, Catmoss. What character in a book or film do you relate to the most and why?

This one is a hard question. They're all hard questions. You got me good. That's what I do. That's what I do here, babe. We're getting deep. A recent one that, like, I got called out on actually recently. Someone was like, you're a Ramona type. Oh my god, Ramona Quimby? Wait, Ramona Flowers. Oh my God, I'm so old. You guys, I don't know how to have the references of someone that was born in 1997.

I'm going to kill myself. Okay, hold on. I have to Google Ramona Flowers. That's so funny. Oh, yes. I've not seen this film, but I should. The Scott Pilgrim. Yeah, it's so bad, but it's so good.

It's a comfort movie for me. Yeah, I definitely got called out for being the Ramona Flowers type. Like, she's just the, the classic. manic pixie dream girl like she dyes her hair every week like she's so freaky and different she's not like other girls like very i'm not like other girls i'm a remote flowers type like and and i really have like gone my whole life like trying to avoid showing that i take a little bit of a tiny little bit of pride and and being like a weird girl uh but but this last year i've i've like really recently been like, no, I'm fucking weird. I love it. And you know what? That actually doesn't

make me different at all. I'm just like the rest of them. And I love it because I love women. I love girls. I love the girlies. Like we're all quirky. I'm sure that that is probably like partially, I would imagine a reaction to being raised, being told all the time that you're not special. I'm like, it's just classic psychology, right? Then like you develop this desire to be a little different and special. And then ultimately you just, yeah, you just land in a place where you're like, I want to express myself authentically.

And if that is quirkier, different or whatever, that's fine. And if it's not, it's not. But like, that's what matters. And like, it's fine to, like, take pride in the fact that your self-expression is unique to you. I've just, like, finally taken pride and, like, not felt, I think,

insecure with my sincerity. I think that's what it is. I think I finally just started to be like, you know what? This is me. Take it or leave it. I like it this way, though. Good. I love it. That's the best way to be. And also, like, people that are like allergic to sincerity, like, get a fucking life, bitch. Like, what are you doing? Embrace the cringe. Yeah, I am cringe, but I am free, as we like to say. Number nine, Cat, what was your biggest sliding doors moment? As in if you had made another choice, maybe you wouldn't be here right now. Damn.

Probably, I feel like there's certain tour offers we've got as a band. That kind of changed our life a little bit that maybe in the moment we didn't realize. But looking back now, it's like, Wow, yeah, like that kind of set the precedent. Right. This is going to sound really hilarious, but we took an offer to tour with Limp Biscuit a year and a half ago. Hell yeah.

And I feel like the Limp Biscuit tour kind of changed our lives, kind of changed my life. Like it exposed us to like a way of touring that was totally out of the box for us as a DIY band. But also like for me personally, I remember like kind of being like, oh, I'm going to be on the biggest stages I've ever played, playing to a completely new crowd, I really have to like prove myself. I feel like I have to prove myself to these people

and really step into being a performer. Because if I want to do this, I'm going to do it right. So I remember kind of having that moment and before the first show being like, yeah, I'm going to turn it on. I'm going to turn it on extreme. I'm not going to hold back.

And that kind of felt like if I didn't decide to do those things, if we didn't say yes to that tour, if I didn't decide to take it to that level psychologically, I think things would be very different for me right now. You mean not even necessarily about the band status, but more about what you were able to push yourself to do and to like desire and to embody that helped you become a different kind of performer. Yeah, and like the reality I wanted to manifest.

I think if I wasn't so serious and committed, within myself. I think that things would be very different for me. I think things would be very, very different. And not bad, but just it would be different. And I'm just, I have no chill. Like, that's the reality. Like, I have no chill.

So I got, I got to be, I got to go full, full 100%. You're going harder. You're going home, babe. That's like the cat moss mantra. I love that. That's a fucking, I mean, you articulated it really well and with like a wisdom beyond your ears. I'm very inspired by that. That it wasn't even about the perception of other people. It was about like how you see yourself

and how you're able to like move through your job basically, your craft. And at the time, it wasn't my, it wasn't full time yet, but I was like, I want this to be full time. I want this to be my job. So like, you better work, bitch. As everyone knows, you're an industry plan. You know, everyone knows that. Right, right. This was my favorite, this was my favorite conversation because I was like, not to be like whatever, because again, the feminism, you know, in and out of my body. But more like, is the industry that you speak of in the room with us right now? Like, what are you even talking about? That doesn't exist anymore. We don't have industry plans because we don't have an industry that gives, needs to do that. Like, that's not a thing. You guys are fucking insane. It's shocking to me. Actually, that, like, Not to bring up the gossip. No, it's okay. Like, I mean, I just think it's shocking because like that's exactly how I felt where I was like,

hey, if you know anything about the music industry, you know that there's, they don't really got time or the money. You don't need to. They'll just find some person that goes viral on TikTok and that's fine. That's all they need to. People are constantly doing their thing just out in the world. Like, there's no need to produce it anymore. people are talented on their own.

So why do we have to cut down or not believe in talent just because one reason or another? The pesky feminism back in my body. I'm just saying they didn't say it to drug church. That's all I'm saying. No one was, no, no, no one was like drug church as an industry plant.

But that's fine. It's fine. It's because he's not as pretty as you. And you know what? I've said this before and I'll say it again and I believe in and it's controversial. I think part of the negative about being a woman in this space is wrapped up in the positive as well, which is like you also get more attention and that's sick as hell and good, you deserve it.

You know, like it's the fucking Gwen Stefani syndrome. And I love it. Good. You should get more attention because life is harder for you. So on the flip side, you should have more benefit too. Yeah. No, that's exactly. I struggle.

That's my like little demon angel, my shoulder every. day is like, oh, like, I can flex that I have this uniqueness and like I get our garner more attention maybe, you know, but I also like, it's my fucking downfall sometimes, bro. Like, this shit's hard. Like, look at me. Look at me. Don't look at me. Literally. Um, okay. Number 10, cat, what characteristic are you most drawn to in other people? Ooh, I'm just like, I could, There's two answers I could pick. One is kind of selfish. But it's the ability to, like, listen

and carry a conversation in the way that's, like, actually intended, like, or with intention. Yeah. But, like, having, like, intentional listening, I focus on it a lot personally. Of course, like, we're in the space where we're, like, you know, this is a podcast writer, like, you're asking questions and stuff.

So of course, like, your job is intentional listening, right? Like, it's easy for you. And you're natural at it. And I love it. I try. But it's not about me being the source of the attention. It's just about being able to have, like, an intentional conversation and feeling like I learned something from it.

So whether I'm challenged or whether I'm just learning about the person and their history, their lore, you know? Yeah. Or just learning about a subject that we're talking about. But like, intentional listening is a big one, I would say. And then I just love a weird person. That's so huge. Yeah.

Yeah. You love a weird person. Yeah, I love a weirdo. So, like, that's also, like, a quality or character trait. Like, I look for in people. I'm like, oh, like, you have a different perspective. Like, you're a little weird. You're a little different.

Let's pick your brain. Like, I'm going to intentionally listen to you. because I'm interested. Yeah, that makes sense. The two seem really tied together because both are like sort of that you're like interested in learning something. That is something that you might not know

or have thought of before. I think you're saying something so important because I'm actually reading a book about it right now if you have people in your life that you feel don't know how to listen. And everyone, I think everyone could get better. It's called how to know a person,

the art of seeing others deeply and being deeply seen. It's really good. But it's true. It's not about being the focus of the attention. Yep. I'll send in to you with the athletic greenslings and all girls. I think we're just, we've been so inundated by like the me, me, me, project outward social media-ness of everything that we can get into conversations and just wait for our turn to talk.

Both people, right? And then it becomes less of an exchange of energy. and less of a connection and more of a volleying back and forth of like, it's almost like IRL social media, you know what I mean? Where like what you're talking about is like, it's very difficult, right? Because I think you have to be genuinely curious about another person and people have sort of lost that ability, even though it's so rewarding because everyone is so interesting. And you have to like, I don't know, like try to think about what,

actual questions that might bring, that might help someone bring themselves out. Because how are you isn't going to do it. No. I think like a large part of it to me is like having to forfeit a lot of ego. And like for me personally, I feel like a sense of confidence that I like, I don't need to provide any sense of coolness, quote unquote, like or like ego or pride to a confidence. in most rooms. Like, yes, I have anxieties, yes, I go to a show or I go and hang out in a social setting and I'm like insecure about myself.

But when I'm having a conversation with a friend or a new person, most of the time I'm not, I try to practice not being concerned with like, who do they think I am? I'm concerned with like, I just want to get to know them. And whether they want to get to know me or not, I get to figure out based on the conversation. but the reality is like that's not about me.

That's not my business. Yeah, totally. So like whatever I get to take from the experience is really important. So I can't waste that time being concerned with what I'm going to say next or how I'm going to portray or what name I might drop or this or that or whatever. Like I'm just like, I just want to get to know you guys. Like I just seek genuine connection. And not to say that, not to flex that, not to be like, I'm better because of that.

I'm just trying to have a good time, you know? Yeah. Do you have like go-to questions that you find work broadly on anyone that can sort of like open up a conversation and get to like a bit of a deeper level? Damn, I've never got that far. I always just kind of like let it lead by the context of the conversation because I can be pretty awkward. Like I can be super stiff and awkward sometimes and like kind of have the red alert going on in my brain. like, what do I talk about? Right, right.

This is my friend. We've had multiple conversations. Why am I having anxiety? But like, the reality is like, whatever the context of the situation is, like, I just found that asking people questions about themselves makes people feel really, like, comfortable.

So like, say we're talking about music and sometimes I'm like, oh, well, like, how old were you when you got into this band? Or what was the band that did it for you? What was this or that? like kind of almost like I just like

knowing people's lore like just just asking them questions about themselves is really fun that's really a great answer that's one of the better ones that I feel like I've gotten in a while and I really appreciate it yeah it wasn't sense of humor so you already beat a lot of people

who is the last person you met that you were starstruck by I met someone recently who oh god I feel like it was probably like Julian Baker at Coachella. And I just, she is just so talented and so cool. And I totally felt like a weirdo in the moment.

And I was just like, I'm just such a big fan. I'm such a fan. I'm just like no level of like, no stage, no experience, no music playing experience, touring experience will ever relinquish me from being a fan. you know and and like in that moment I was a fan and I totally feel like I was just like hi um I'm cat like I really like your music and she was like okay cool and I was like you know like but yeah I just I admire her work so much I'm very grateful for it this is how I always think of it and tell me what you think is like regardless of how someone responds or I mean some people are just

uncomfortable with it. But anytime you think something nice about anyone, whether it's I'm a fan of your work, I love your hair. I mean, girls tend to be good at this. But like, those are beautiful earrings. I thought what you said was really smart. I think so often people just don't say it out of some sort of like fear of being like we just said sincere, cringe, vulnerable, putting themselves out there. And it's like robbing the world of this like good emotion and good energy that. would only spread and like not to be like a full like fucking head shop hippie but like I do think it's like it's always a good thing to tell someone that you are a fan of the work that they so like carefully put their heart and soul into yeah I could not have put that better by the way that's exactly

how I feel and like I agree like I feel like kind of like a hippie or something I feel corny saying it but like it's why we're all artists here like we're all trying to like project this vulnerability and this like profoundness of ourselves in a very special curated way and it's very fragile you know what there's nothing wrong with saying you appreciate it you know and embracing that no i think it i think it's great i love her cover of accident prone by jawbreaker it's like that's that's the that's the first introduction i had into her and her music and i was just so blown away by that cover that like i kind of was more interested to get deeper into her music a couple years ago she's very talented. It's incredible. She's very talented and her inspirations are just like

really cool. Like a lot of, it draws from a lot of different places and I'm very, very interested in her story. Yeah, she got great taste. Okay, number 12, when was the last time you slid into someone's DMs? It doesn't have obviously romantic or sexual, just more of a, more of a, you know, any kind of DM slide. You have a blue check. You know, I would you, you can use that to talk to people. I don't think I have a blue check. I made that up. I don't know. I just, I just presumed. What the hell, Instagram. I don't have one to there if it makes you feel better. No, I, I was like, do I have a blue check? Like, did I, did I don't realize this? No, I, I purposely have been like, I'm like trying, I'm trying to like anti-blue check.

If that makes sense. Me too. I think it's cool that we don't have blue checks. I like that we don't have them, both of us. known famous women me and you, John Havlicek, so. Yeah, yeah. That's so funny. Probably, like, I think like two months ago.

Who was it? That is not getting disclosed. Oh, okay. So it was a spicy one. It was for spicy context. No, not spicy. I'm not a spicy girl. Like, I'm spicy very privately.

So that, like, I'm not going to be like really outwardly spicy, but I did give someone my number. Yeah. Can you reveal what your line was, what your opening line was, even if we don't know who it was to? How did you shoot your shot? This is so cool. No, it's cool.

I feel like, I feel truly. The vulnerability, the bravery? No, I really feel vulnerable right now. I don't know if I can, I don't know if I can. You don't have, you don't have to tell me. I gave someone my number. That's as far as I'll go. Okay. All right. I love it. You, you use the DM slide for the, its intended purposes.

I put myself on blast. I think that's, I mean, people do this all the time and it's, it really is one of the last ways to connect with people that isn't like a dating app, which, you know, again, no shade to people that use dating apps, but for me, it's a little bit, a line, a bridge too far that's difficult for me to deal with. But like, for whatever reason, Instagram feels like this like safe middle ground of like, okay, like, it's not a dating app, but it's not the real world, which we barely are anymore. So, like, yeah, I think, I think that's cool. To be fair, I don't give any, like, I really

don't give my number out. Like, I, I'm very, very particular about it. Um, because I don't want a bunch of, like, I just don't, I just don't trust people. Like, that's, my number, that's, like, that's personal, you know? Yeah. They can just invade your phone at any time. So it felt, like a big deal for me. I was like, here's my number. I love that. Another, overcoming another fear. Absolutely, absolutely. Maybe I will use this as an inspiration to slide into someone's DMs. Probably not, but maybe. I should definitely be the inspiration for that.

Okay, number 13, Cat, Moss. What is the horniest song ever, in your opinion? I'm so sorry, you know, this is just the next question. It's unrelated, really. No, that's actually like such a good question. recently I feel like one of the hornier songs that's been in my rotation has been

okay bear with me because it's a radiohead song and it's a lyric and radiohead songs aren't very horny they can be though they have a libidinal energy radio my most recent horny song is Sulk by Radiohead and the lyric specifically that like kind of

hits me, I'm like, whoa. Is you're so pretty when you're on your knees, disinfected and eager to please? It's like, whoa, Tom. Like, that was crazy. I mean, that's straight up. That's horny. Wow.

Like, that's crazy. So, yeah. Tom York was like, don't underestimate me, bitch, I have this in me. Yeah. Crazy. I think you're the first person to invoke radio head in the horny song category.

so that's pretty cool. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing because I feel like the general answers are going to be like deaf tones, maybe Alice and Chalins.

Def tones is a really good answer. Yeah. Well, I mean, a lot of people say Prince. Oh, Prince. Sure. I mean, there's a lot of, there's a lot of horny songs

out there. Yeah, true. I love Radiohead. Yeah, me too. I mean, at least up through, you know, in rainbows. It gets a little questionable a lot after that for me personally.

Yeah. I could talk about Radiohead for a long time, unfortunately. I did talk about Radiohead for a long time. I think it was about eight hours. We did a two-part band explaining about it. I'm pretty sure I have that downloaded in my Spotify for my next flight, my next long flight, to listen, really just to get in and be like, what do they know?

As a Radiohead fan, you might be into it. And then also Cole, Kuchner, who is my guest, just did a whole season of his podcast dissect. about in rainbows. So like every episode is about a different song. Yeah, and that's really good. I'm in. There you go. Your next, all your next like long flights are covered by these, these two, these two things. Okay, number 14. What is the biggest money you've ever turned down? Oh. I'm trying to remember exactly what it was. I feel like we turned down like 50 grand for a deal, but I really didn't I didn't fuck with the deal.

Is it too? I feel like you're too contemporary of a band to actually out what the deal was. No, no, I would never. I would never. I'll tell you the best answer we've had on this podcast, which I say every time because I'm so obsessed with it was Thursday, Jeff Rickley. I love it. He's the best.

We stand a king, Jeff Rickley. But he was like, yeah, Thursday was offered one million dollars to be in an American Express ad. One million dollars. And they said no. and they gave it to Hubba Stank. There's no better story in life than that story. It's the best story that's ever happened. Hubistank?

Yes, because they were on the same label. I'm really sorry to Jeff Rickley that that story comes with the loss of a million dollars for him personally, but it is such a good story that I have gotten endless joy out of it. That's amazing. Yeah, I can't disclose the brand deal,

but we did turn down like a 50, I think it was like 50 grand. And that's a lot of fucking money for a band like us. Like that's... That's crazy. But it was, we stand by our laurels, you know? Like, we did Taco Bell because I fuck with Taco Bell.

Like, I, I fuck with Taco Bell. There's no part of me that felt like I was like relinquishing anything by like working with Taco Bell. I've given them so much money. I've eaten there so many times in my life. We stand Taco Bell. I would be in a Taco Bell ad for free. Yeah. Because I love them so much.

Same. I fuck with it. If they would just give me lifetime Mexican pizzas, it's a done deal. So Taco Bell, bang my line. Number 15. Catmoss, what's the best live show you've ever seen? Okay. The one that I want to say, that like kind of feel like it felt like it changed my life at

like age 18 is a canceled band. You're still allowed to say it. They weren't canceled then. No, no. But pretty soon after. It was brand new. Oh, which I don't know anything about brand new. So my O is absolutely neutral.

Cool. Yeah, I was... But the show was amazing. It was like inspiring to you. They were like a great, it was just like a really great live performance. It was a great live performance. They played their whole record titled A Devil and God, Raging Inside Me, something, whatever.

They played that record front to back on Halloween in 2016. and it was incredible. It was in San Jose and I just felt like, wow, I didn't know live music could make me feel this way and it felt like it changed my life. This was before you started your band. Yeah, way before. But then also, like, most recently I saw gorillas at Coachella

and I was really fucking high and it felt like just this really special, like, moment of live music just like kind of hitting me like I don't know classic Coachella bullshit like I am I am not immune to that experience so no it's the best I mean I haven't been to Coachella in a while but I used to go every year yeah and I had many incredible experiences it's fun just being bathed in the like I cried I did cry at um boni Vair at one Coachella I also cried at the luminaires at one Coachella. I love the Lumineers.

Like that one record. Me too a bitch. They're good. They're really good. They're several bangers. Several bangers. Ophelia? Oh my God.

Bangor. Hey, ho-hey. It's a great song. Barnclap, stomp. I love it. I don't care about anyone's. Boom clap, stomp. Reserve your judgment, babe.

Yeah. I saw the boy genius set at Coachella and also bawled my eyes out. Classic. and just had like what felt like the most like, I don't know, like just expulsion of emotions and it was beautiful and yeah, I love, I love crying. Live music can be very cathartic, yeah, same too. I love crying. Okay, number 16, Catmoss. When in your life were you the most fucked up wasted hammered trashed?

Probably when I was 18, I had just gotten my driver's license. like a month prior, and I was driving to this bonfire in the mountains. And I wasn't fucked up yet, but I crashed my car in the mountains. And I was like, fuck it, whatever, kept driving. Car was kind of wrecked. And I got blackout drunk, like, really just not a single memory. woke up next morning slept in the car with a bunch of

like there was a bunch of other people in my car sleeping it was just it was a mess and then my drone I mean you were yeah I was 18 but I was like having my I first that was when I first started doing the teen drinking thing right drove home and told my mom I crashed it

I like lied to her about how it happened it was the whole thing your muff's mom if you're listening yeah I love you so much I was a bad kid I didn't realize it until now. Last time I got blackout drunk was in Switzerland. We were playing a festival, like a punk rock festival. And I guess the elevation got me and the free wine got me and I was blackout drunk. And throwing food in the green room, having a food fight in our green room area

and feeling just so mortified the next day when I was told that I was doing these things because I would never be that. So that's the last time that's happening. I'm a good person. Like, I don't know. Now it's just athletic greens going forward. No more blacking out. That's very funny, though. I mean, whatever you're young, you should have these experiences. We're not condoning blacking out, but whatever. Yeah. You need to get out of your system. Number 17, cat moss. This is 17 and 18. They are a dual question. What do you love about being famous and what do you hate about being famous? And don't say you're not famous. Yeah, I wanted to, I don't, I don't really quite. You are. At the very least, some level of known by the world for what you do. Yes. Can we agree on that at least? And there are upsides and downsides to that. I think the thing that I hate the most is this is my people-pleasing tendencies.

The guilt I feel when I have to turn someone down on like a, hey, can I get a photo? Hey, cat. Wait, hey, cat. And I'm like, out of shit. show or something and I'm trying to get somewhere. And I'm like, hey, I'm so sorry. I hate that feeling so much because

I want to give that person their moment. You know? Like, I'm in this bitch 24-7. It's not special for me. But they want that moment with me in that night and they don't always,

they don't get to hang out with me all the time or whatever, their perception of who I am. And of course, it's not my responsibility, right? like wow um but i still i feel a lot of guilt because i'm just like oh like i want to give them that moment for sure um yeah maybe it's a little people pleasy of me and i'm trying to work on that but like yeah like i just i just hate that like that moment of like i hate i don't want to disappoint you know yeah i get that that's that's very sweet but yeah but you also like cannot do it all the time

you just can't you'll lose your mind yeah i i just can't and like sometimes i have anxiety i just like it just, it's a lot. I'm only little old me, so, you know, but the parts of it that I like enjoy it's like at the same time, it feels kind of cool. It's like, oh, like, people know me and people are inspired by me,

by the things I do. I've had girls come up to me and be like, oh, like I dyed my hair green because of you, or I, you know, I like, I wear dresses to shows. I wore this today, this outfit today, to the show because it was a scowl show. Like, that's so cool.

Like, that is so flattering. Or they might start a band because of you, you know, even better. That's so crazy. Not to take the full credit, because I would hope that I'm not the only inspiration there. But, like, it is cool that, like, where I had my, like, list of people who inspired me, like, I can fall on that list for other people.

Yeah, it's amazing. For young, like, queer kids, you know, like, That's really exciting. That feels cool. It's so cool. All right. Number 19, this is the wild card. Here we go.

Question where I get to ask whatever I want. Yay. Oh, God. You're bracing yourself? No, this is a nice time, not a hard time. What's a movie you would recommend for everyone to watch that was, like, important for you? I have a really basic answer like a really

really basic answer but this movie shaped a lot of who I was as a teenager and like it's like a comfort movie for me it's kind of a sad one but it's the perks of being a wallflower that's so basic but like I I really love it I don't know something about it that book like shaped a lot of who I was like

in my like high school years and it feels very like very basic like but like coming of age kind of you know I really still find a lot of comfort in it and a lot of comfort in the story and the characters and yeah me too you know it's crazy I read that in high school too isn't that nuts that's yeah because it came out in 99 I was double-checking I was like I definitely read that in high school but I was like you know a junior senior but it really stuck with me I didn't see the movie for years and years after and I love the I love the usage of the Smiths and it was really amazing.

Yeah. The book is incredible. The movie is really good too, but that book it's really timeless for those of you listening who haven't read it. Yeah, I love the book more than the movie. The movie just like, it really feels nostalgic to me too,

like in the sense of like when I saw that movie, I was a freshman in high school. When I read the book, I was a freshman in high school and it kind of set the tone for like what my understanding was of like kind of those next four years I guess and I don't know high school was a really weird time so yeah it was definitely something to claim to okay number 20 we're in the homestretch cat when was the last name you cried uh about a month ago when I got my hair touched up like my roots done so yesterday I got my roots done again but about a month ago um I cried in

the chair, like not sobbed, but just like started tearing up and like had like some streams, like anime tears. What happened? Because I, it was like a sweet cry, like a good cry, but I was telling my hair stylist, Kayla, how grateful I was for her because she always just makes me feel so much like myself and how grateful I am to know her. I was just being really sentimental about our friendship and our colleagues. elaboration, like super tender. I'm a very tender person. Yeah, like, to be honest with you,

I've been wanting to, like, I feel annoyed because I'm a cry baby. Like, I really like to get a good cry at least, like once a week. I haven't had one, like a good personal, like, expulsion of a cry in a while. And so I'm like kind of annoyed. That's okay. I mean, I think, you know, it was like what we were talking about like way earlier in the podcast. Like, it's not always through pain that you need to heal. And sometimes, takes longer for the tension to build up to get you to that place again. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right. Number 21, Cat, what is your greatest regret?

Oh. Those chill questions. Yeah, super normal and chill. I'm not like you're a regretful person. I have like very few regrets. Like I don't like to live that way. Right. But I do feel like there's some life change choices that I regret not making sooner.

But I think that's as far as I can go with that, with my details on the answer. But there's certain things where I was like, damn, I should have like pulled the trigger sooner, you know, like those kind of choices. Right, right. Where you live in fear of, you know, the consequences of something. But you're just like, oh, like, I'm scared. Like, no, like, bitch, do it. But then you see how much better it was on the other side and you're like, oh, I wish I had done it sooner. Yeah, that makes total sense.

Crazy. Crazy. Okay. Oh my God, so close. Number 22. What song would you like to hear just before you die? I could give a radio head song answer. Of course you can. It's up to you. This is your death. You should play in. I mean, you don't have to worry about annoying me on your own deathbed. This is for you.

To be honest, the song that lately has just in the last two years, is how to disappear completely off of Kidd A. Like I just, I love that song. It's so gorgeous and it's so like, I don't know. I would definitely be like, okay, I'm ready. Like me going to Canada to do the like the pay someone to like self-assisted suicide or whatever. I'd be like, okay, play this song. Here we go.

Okay, Kat, well, God forbid. We're talking about the end of your long, long life when you're 95 years old. And you're like, you're like put on radio ahead and your grandkids are like, what is radio ahead and you're like, don't worry about it, go to this track, how to disappear completely. Literally, exactly. That's how it's going to end. Okay, number 23, Catmoss. What do you think about me? I think you're so cool. I've been like a fan of your podcast work and I think like you're so fun and I like your style a lot, like your podcasting style. I don't know if that makes sense. Thank you. Sure. Yeah.

And so I'm just like really happy to be here. And I think, yeah, I think you're fun. Like, you're so fun. And I'm having a great time and you asked really good question. Oh, thank you. I think you're really fun and cool also. And I also like your style. Thanks. So all mutual. And then last question, number 24. What do you want to plug? Oh my gosh. Okay. Since I'm staring them down. warming, heated, sleeping eye masks. You can get them on Amazon online, but I'm obsessed.

They're like hand warmers, but they go over your eyes before bed. And it's so, like, I've never been more comfortable. I've never been more comfortable. I highly recommend them for people who like struggle with relaxing their eyes at night. I plug that also. bug

the scowl EP yeah the the music I make I guess yeah psychic dancer routine we

I mean oh my gosh it's coming up on a year since we like filmed all our music videos and did all of our creative stuff prior to putting out the EP

last or this last year and it's crazy like I feel so already like I've already lived through all the music and I'm already over it, but it's still kind of new to some people, new to new listeners.

Totally. Yeah, Psychic Dancer Teen on iTunes music, on Spotify, YouTube, whatever. The whole dang thing. Yeah, scowl rock band. Dude.

Scowl rock band. Check it out. Well, thank you so much, God. This was super fun. Thank you for taking the time. to come on. I had a really good time talking with you. Yeah, thanks for having me. Thanks for listening

to me babble. I love to run my mouth. So I had a great time. We loved listening to it. Come back next week for a new episode of 24-question party people. Thanks for listening to 24-question party people. And thanks to my guest, Catmoss.

Scowl's latest release, psychic dance routine is out everywhere now. This episode was produced by Chris Sutton and Jesse Miller Gordon with help from Justin Sales. Our gorgeous theme song was composed by Heather Fortune. Special thanks to Alexa Gallo, Sam Beldie, Sean Fennacy, Rob Harvilla, and maybe I got a new doc. Come back every Tuesday for a new episode of 24-question party people on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. 24-question party people.