Bandsplain - 24 Question Party People: Orville Peck

Episode Date: January 9, 2024

It's a new year, and we are back with a new episode of '24 Question Party People.' To kick things off, we are joined by the masked man himself, Orville Peck. Yasi and Orville discuss connecting to the song “Fast Car” at 9 years old, the importance of journaling for mental health, and Orville's strategies for eating with the mask on. All of that and more this week on a brand-new '24 Question Party People.' Host: Yasi SalekGuest: Orville PeckProducer: Jesse Miller-GordonAssociate Producer: Chris SuttonAdditional Production Supervision: Justin SaylesTheme Song: Hether Fortune Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Learn more about the albums you love with Dissect, a music analysis podcast hosted by me, Cole Kushna, a lifelong musician. Each season of Dysect dives deep into one album, examining the music, lyrics, and meaning of one song per episode. We've covered albums by Kendrick Lamar, Tyler the creator, Frank Ocean, just to name a few, and our brand new season just launched all about Radiohead's 2007 masterpiece in rainbows. Listen to Dysect on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast, because a great art deserves more than a swipe. Hello and welcome to 24 question party people. I am your host, Yassi Salek. This is a show where I invite an interesting person on for a little talk. I ask the same 23 questions every time, more or less, plus one wildcard. The guest is allowed to skip one question. Sometimes the questions change a little. New Year, same old me. Happy New Year, you guys. Happy New Year. I was going to say Bonge, but honestly, I'm not feeling very Bonge right now at this moment. in January. You know, sometimes I struggle

with how transparent to be in these intros. You guys are like, do you? But like in general, in life, whatever, some of us are old enough to have suffered the indignities of the live journal, blogger, prostitute your most personal feelings

on the internet and service of, in service of what, I don't know, getting an audience, feeling seen, likes. Sometimes I think we've partially course correct on that, but honestly, I really don't know. Maybe that's, like, very much still the vibe.

I've always been sort of an open booky type of person for better or for worse, whether that's admirable or pathological. I'm not sure. Maybe a little column A, a little column B. But anyway, as some of you guys know, I adopted a dog in the beginning of December. Lou Reed, Barlow Sallek. When I adopted her, she was recovering from pneumonia, but she was like very much on the men, totally healthy, a couple more days of meds, had a lingering cough and that's it. But without getting too in the weeds here and detailed Mark Maren, animal, you know, illness, violating HIPAA. Do dogs have hip, but I don't know. She's actually much sicker than anyone knew with something totally unrelated to the cough.

And it's unclear if she's going to get better or not. I'm hoping for the best, but it's been extremely hard. I don't know if I'm allowed to say that. I, yeah, I don't know. It's just been hard. Some of you are like, babe, what your chicken suit for the soul? That's bullshit are you on about. I came here to hear Orville Tech.

And you know what? I get it, Queen. Skip on ahead. Hit that fast forward. I know this is a monologue and not a pity party per se But you know also I already threw myself a pity rager in the first few days Just full woe is me hours why me terminal uniqueness the whole feck and shibang But the pity party is over babe

I'm still a little hungover from it But I'm just you know Real one day at a time one hour at a time time, one minute at a time over here and trying to just get on through, keep head up, keep positive. Yeah, it's a whole thing. That's not really what I want to talk about. What I really want to talk about here was like something much more buoyant and fun and

new year and like new you and let's inspire, but no, sorry, other plans. What I'm going to talk about is asking for help. I have a really, really, really hard time with this. Do you guys, do you guys know how to do this? Do you guys know how to ask for help? Can you bang my line with some tips? Like, what do you even do? Like, you just call someone and say, I need help.

That's what you do. My methods are more like ordering 35 things from the Amazon store of the Ohio-based Lebanese TikTok influencer. I follow, you know, like a cool water bottle, some hair oil. I got one of those, you know, hair massagers that's mechanical, like battery operated. I can't wait to use that bad boy. What else? Going on long, meandering manic walks, maybe patronizing Taco Bell too much. It's very much like that meme with the man and the butterfly. Like, is this coping? But asking for how, help. I don't know her. It's like advanced trigonometry for me. Like not only is it extremely difficult,

I literally don't even know like what I'm looking at here. I don't know where to begin. Like, again, so you just like pick up the phone and say, I need help. But like, what kind of help? Like, I don't really need physical help, right? I'm very strong, as some of you might know from my weightlifting. That's right. I lift, bro. Which makes caring and immobile 35. pound dog from room to room, much easier. Getting an extra workouts, my abs are going to be popping. Like, it's not that kind of help, right? I mean, some of my friends have just instinctively known that I needed, which sometimes I don't even know what I need, but, you know, I don't know, just being checked in on, right? Just like a text that says, is everything okay? Even if everything

is very much not okay. I am not crying. You guys are going to be like, like, oh, the fucking performativeness on this bitch. But the truth is, I wish I hung cry on command. I'd be out there acting, making the big bucks. I just absolutely have no other time to record this intro because as usual, I waited to the very last minute. And the editor is like, TikTok, bitch, get it in. But yeah, just being checked in on.

Or like, you know, a little bit advanced level. Like someone coming over and just sitting for a couple of hours is super fun. fucking nice. And, you know, some of my friends have just done that. And I'm so grateful for that. And also, I'm trying to learn how to ask for those kinds of things because I don't expect people to be literal fucking Miss Cleo Psychics or to like read my mind or to be like spending their whole day preoccupied with what I'm going through and feeling as everyone does have their own fucking bitch of a life to deal with. But yeah, I haven't quite gotten there yet. Also, I did just want to say that I am so moved and touched by your guys's messages and my DMs.

Even if I sometimes don't open them to respond, I do read them. And they really are so sweet and mean a lot to me. And I just wanted to say thank you for sending those. This was, again, supposed to be a very different kind of New Year intro, but you know what? Life? it is a highway and sometimes a real fucking bitch to be honest um so that was the intro we got this interview with orville peck was actually um is the first interview i ever did for this show was done in like april of 2023 it was the pilot episode of this show um orville is an old really close

really dear friend of mine and also my most famous close dear friend that i could ask to please do the pilot for me so I could really impress the big brass around here and get the show greenlit. Not only did he enthusiastically say yes, he was just awesome, he was a great interview, he said the loveliest things, he gave me his time. I feel really grateful. I mean, I guess I do. I do sometimes know how to ask for help. I'm just really lucky to have friends like him and all of my friends who show up. Anyway, here's my interview with Orville Peck. I hope you enjoy it.

24-war-1-14-Ga-Gat. Is masked cowboy country superstar Orbel Pack? Hello. Welcome to the show, Orville. Thank you for having me. I'm very excited. I'm so pleased that you're here. I'm very pleased to be here. Should we just fucking let's go? Let's fucking get into it.

Yeah, I'm ready. I'm planning on not skipping anything, by the way. Oh, you're like, you're like, oh, really? Don't threaten me with a fucking good time. I can answer every one of these. Yeah. I like a challenge. All right. Well, the first one is not hard. What is your sign? I am a Capricorn son. You know all your... The girls in the gays know all the places. I know like the basic three. No, I know the basic three.

But that's the thing is like in L.A. especially. Now everyone's like, what's your Mercury. I'm like, I have no fucking idea, girl. I'm like, I'm a Capricorn sun. I'm a Leo moon. Surprise, surprise. And I'm a Pisces rising. I mean, that's a crazy combo because you're like, Mr. Hardworking, but then you're like, Ms. look at me. And then you're like, I'm really emotional in between the two of that. Yeah. And I think it makes for a very, very, very, beautiful person. I think it makes for a gorgeous and perfect person. I mean, it does, it is kind of like an ideal set of placement for a successful entertainer, an artist. Yeah, I mean, I, well, wait, you're a tourist. What are your, what's your moon and rising? I'm a Taurus rising and a Ares moon,

which is why I'm mentally ill. That's my mentally ill place. So you're double Taurus? Double Taurus. That's called it. We don't, we don't leave the house, babe. That's the shut-in. That's the shut-in. That's the shut-in placement. That's the sweatpants. The sweatpants placement. So it's like when the sun part of your tourist is like, maybe we'll go out. Then the next one's like, no, we're not going to. Absolutely not, bitch.

If I can fire up the Netflix. We're not going anywhere. And then my Ares moon is like, text him. It's not good. Okay. Question number two. What did you eat today? I haven't eaten anything yet today.

I had iced coffee. Are you an intermittent fasting, girly? I'm not, but when I have something work related to do, you know, like sort of in the morning or the first half of the day. I mean, now that I'm saying it, it sounds like something like I should eat. Like, don't you need like some brain power? Yeah, like to get my brain working. But I usually, I'm like just focused on doing that. And I mean, especially this morning, it's like, you know, technical stuff, like that kind of thing.

So I haven't eaten yet. But I'll eat right after. I don't know what I'll happen. You had the gay Gatorade, which is actually. ice coffee. Yes, exactly. I drink a big thing of ice coffee just to help my nerves feel completely shredded. Just to completely actually like shred out your adrenal so you come here fully ready to party. Yeah, exactly. You were nervous about this interview. As you know, I'm a tough, I'm a tough journalist. I know. It's like Barbara Walters.

Okay. Have you listened to any music today? And if so, what was it? I haven't listened to any music yet today. So you've just been sitting. in silence, chugging iced coffee, eating nothing, stressing yourself out. I'm really, I'm really bringing the picture. Well, I think the first time I listen to music in the day generally is like when I'm like getting my car for the first time, I think. Okay, okay. Like I'm not really like I'm put on music at my, and when I wake up kind of person. I would, I think that would be cute though. I used to be that way. I used to be very like Sher Horowitz, like, you know, put on like perfect day.

Yeah. You know what mine was for years, honestly to the point that when the Spotify wrapped for like the decade came out, my number one miss listened to Song of the Decade was Call Me Maybe for Carly Ray Jepson. And I was like absolute, absolute wellness check, babe. I'm surprised the mental health authorities weren't alerted by Rapped to come to my home and take me away. You know the crazy thing about Carly Ragebson fans. I don't know if they're going to come from me for this, but I feel like their fandom is about dragging her. Oh, that's what that's interesting. My fandom's a little bit like that. Yeah. Like there's sort of like a no, no, or like Trixie's fandom is like that too. Like, you know, like Trixie Mattel,

like her fans would be like, shut up, you bald bitch. And I'm like, whoa, like, but that's like her biggest fan saying that. Does she love that or she hates it? Oh, she loves it. Okay. It couldn't be me. I'm so sensitive. Absolutely. If someone says literally like something slightly critical. It's not even, like, not even actually critical, but something like that maybe misinterpreted by me is critical, I'll probably cry. But then it depends. Some days, some days I'm like fully in my like, who the fuck cares bitch. And I'm like, you know what? You don't want to fucking, I don't care. Don't listen then. Fuck off. It doesn't come on often, but I have the capacity to make very, you know, witty, hurtful comebacks.

Sure. You might have experienced some of my more witty and hurtful comebacks. But like, sometimes online, there have been moments where I've been, like, kind of dying to clap back with one. And then I hold back and I don't. So, again, to recap, you've sat in silence. You've drank a gallon of ice coffee. You are ready to go into more questions. Next question. What is the first song that made an impact on you as a child?

There's sort of a few I can think of. like it's a South African national anthem. I mean, perhaps. No, you know what? Honestly, the one that I think comes to mind and it's so funny because all the ones like I can think of, they're very like emo or into. But like Tracy Chapman Fast Car. Oh, fuck yeah. I used to listen to that so much.

You know, there was a there was like a tweet or a meme or something I saw going around like a while back that said like, you know, rewinding to the sad part of the song because it didn't make me feel hurt. for whatever. Like, that is me as a kid, like, listening to Tracy Chapman Fascar, like, embodying the life of that character that I work at the market as a checkout girl. You literally, absolutely, the most dramatic nine-year-old child, like, kneeling next to a window, staring out, being like, yes, I know exactly what it is to work at the market as a checkout girl, try to save just a little bit of money.

We don't have to go too far. just cross the border and into the city we can both get jobs finally see what it means to be living no that was definitely one of them and I mean I'll re-surprise though not even a little bit but you literally were like

I know exactly what this woman is going through yeah I was like in fact maybe I've been through worse probably is what I thought it is kind of insane when you think of how much we were molded and listening to to these songs through our like preteen and teenage years that absolutely we didn't have the fucking first foggiest clue what they were about or had any experience in that.

I mean, I feel like I absolutely did a talent show like performance in middle school to the song Uchi Walla Walla by Kube's finest, which what administration and teacher allowed that to happen for like 12-year-old girls. And it was just like, Uchi Walla-Wala, Uchi Big Mac. I'm 12, babe. I haven't had my first kiss yet. What are we even talking about here?

That is kind of the beautiful thing, though. Like, that's like I look at my niece, Daisy who's six. I'm like, she likes the craziest music, which is, she likes really cool music and stuff. But she'll be like singing Guns and Roses lyrics. And I'm like, this is nuts. This is not. I went to a bar mitzvah years ago,

which are really a good time. If you ever have the opportunity, for my boy. I've been to, I mean, I'm not serious, but I grew up with a lot of Jewish people. I went to so many bar mitzvizs and budmitzv. There's a specific kind of DJ that seems to only DJ the bar mitzvah circuit. And this man literally put on from the window to the wall. On the window.

To the level. Oh, yeah, yeah. Not the clean version, babe. The full unedited, explicit version. And there's just a sea of 12 and 13 year olds being like, to the sweat. drip down my balls. Oh, and I was like,

what the, I feel like I'm in drugs. This is crazy. Yeah, but I mean, like, like kids today. Do you feel like fast car besides giving you the opportunity

to like live the drama impacted you musically in any way? Like in your like love of any sort of like musical part of that song? Definitely. I think that whole era of like Lilith Faircore. Yeah. And just like, I mean, you know, I have very, like you, I've got very varied wild musical tastes.

And I think there's like, there was a sort of drama and like almost like a kind of like specific structure to that sort of era of 90s alternative-esque big power balladty kind of music or whatever. I mean, I'm even thinking about like moments and like, you know, melancholy era. Smashing Pumpkins, even though that's like totally different. But like the structure of that sort of like... Another messy bitch who lives for drama. Fully. I mean, I can remember being little like... Another song I was going to say was literally like, um, Tonight Tonight, which is not even one of my favorite Smashing Pumpkin songs now,

but as a kid, like the drama of the strings and like the, you know, there's kind of like the breakdown in the middle and then it's even bigger. Like that sort of structure was sort of big in a lot of 90s dramatic music. And I mean, I definitely do that in a lot of my songs. That sort of structure for sure. That was imprinted in your DNA. This is what people don't know about you, that you've always been a theater kid since day. Yeah, 100%.

The theater. You know, but I'm always honest about that. I feel like people are always thinking that they are catching. It's like I was, I talked about in every interview. I'm like, I was a dancer. I was an actor. I played in punk bands. I'm like, I don't know.

I mean, look at me. Like obviously, hello. But I just like performing. And I, you know, I've just always liked performing. So sue me too. I just like attention, actually. If we're being honest, I don't want to do the hard part, which is like the performance part. I just want the attention, which is why I'm a podcaster.

It's the lowest form of entertainment. I think I like attention. And then when I crave it and then when I get it, I hate it. Yeah, you're like the classic. Like, look at me. Don't look at me. Yeah. Like I literally will have to post something on social media and I'll be so disgusted to having to look at myself on camera.

I'm like, why did I even do this? That's why you're brilliant, the most brilliant person that you, instituted this mask policy from day one. Absolute visionary, babe. Visionary behavior. Yep. Thank you. The thing is, though, I must say, the mask, it's a double-edged sword because,

and it might work for an ugo, honestly, in a really better way, but you're like a gorgeous person. And it's actually the amount of, like, strength that it would take me to be as hot as you are and then hide that under a mask. Like, you're, like, you should win some sort of, like, Nobel Peace Prize. It's like, you're like Nelson Mandela. You're stupid.

Yeah. I'm going to not comment on that. But thank you. Next question. I will, yeah, next question. But I will accept a Nobel Peace Prize if they're giving. If they're handing those out, babe. I'll take it out.

Okay. What's the first album you bought with your own money or shoplifted with your own two hands? It was bought with my own money And it was Patty Smith horses Fuck, that's such a cool answer It was, I mean, yeah, it's a pretty cool answer It was on it was a CD I can't remember what the store was

It must have been like an HMV or something But yeah, it was a CD of horses Who, okay, I'm sorry, not to be rude And I'm not going to out your age Because if we're being frank, I don't remember How old you are I know that you're younger than me I'm 23

Damn, not that big of a laugh. Anyway, yeah, okay. But regardless, like, in no universe were you, the horses came out in this, like, late 70s. So, like, how did you get, how did you find, like, who told you about Patty Smith? Like, what was your journey to getting, to go by this CD?

So I grew up with two older brothers. Yeah. and who you know. And they were sort of my, a lot of my music inspiration. And kind of like, you know, when I was little, I would, I would come home first. My mom would like pick me up and my brothers were obviously being like, you know, high school or whatever it is. So they'd come home later. So I'd go in their rooms and I'd like take CDs from their room and I'd like just listen to whatever they had.

And I didn't really have a reference for what it was or whatever. So I grew up very young listening to so much all kinds of stuff. And you know, like I would take like my brothers, my one, One brother's like white zombie CD and then my other brother's like, you know, there was a lot of alternative and that kind of stuff. And then so I always loved and in my house always had an appreciation for like punk and alternative and grunge and that whole side of things. And then of course I had like the kind of like more country music side of things from my mom and like, you know, Dolly Parton and more sort of like South African folk music and that kind of stuff.

And then from my dad it was more like 70s like glam rock and, you know, kind of classic rock. So I grew up with all of these interests And then when I was about 14 Andrea who is a friend of mine Who you also know We were friends since we were very young And she I think she sort of introduced me to Patty Smith

And I just I was like a big fan of poetry When I was a kid too Just just just gazing wistfully out of the window Listening to Fast Car Writing in your little journal your poems 100% I think when I first heard

Patty Smith, I remember thinking, like, I'd never really heard an artist. You know, like, I think of like the song Babelog or like something. It's like I'd never heard someone do sort of like this train of conscious sort of like Rimbaud-esque poetry as a singer. I just didn't know you could really mix those two things. And so I was really intrigued by it. So yeah, I bought horses, which is still one of my all-time favorite album. I think free money is got to be like one of my top ten favorite songs in all-time.

did you name your album Bronco because of horses? Well, this is what is so funny is actually, because I always, I always like kind of, whenever I get asked about my top favorite albums, I always say horses as one of them. And then someone pointed out to me, they're like, is that why all your albums are horse titles? Are named after horses?

And I was like, fuck, I didn't really think of that, but maybe, I didn't, it's not purposeful. Your next album is Secretariat or whatever wasn't. That one's free, maybe you can have it. I won't even charge. That's always our joke with my band. is we're like, because I mean, I've pretty much solidified the theme now with like three in a row, right?

So then we joke, I'm and do like a gospel album and call it Pegasus. I'll do like a Gregorian chant album and call it like Equus. Not equis. I'm like fucking passed away. Equus. Bye. Goodbye. Okay.

Speaking of your wistful, dramatic, difficult emotional childhood, did anyone in your childhood ever tell you something like, oh, really? You're never going to fucking make it in showbiz, babe. So just lose that dream like they do in the movies. And if so, who was it? And what did you say to them? Like, this is my chance for like calling them out. Like, that's right.

Well, Mr. fucking Brown, bitch, look at me. Yeah. I mean, not to get like, I mean, but I think as a queer person, as a gay child, like you kind of encounter that a lot. even if it's sort of in a microaggression sort of way, I think, I think a lot of times, not with,

not my family was always like very supportive and very encouraging. So I had that, like they kind of made me feel like I could do anything and I wouldn't like there was no limit. But yeah, 100%. I mean, people in school, uh, teachers even, this kind of, I think when you're sort of a gay kid and especially me, like I was always sort of like myself. I was never like closeted really or anything like that. I think a lot of those figures sort of write you off because they've already decided who you are and what you're going to be. And they almost decide that in their head. So I think, and I was the kind of person and I'm still that kind of person where, you know,

I'm like, if I'm going to do something, if you tell me I can't do it, not only does that make me want to do it more, but now I want to do it like better than anybody else. And so I think in a way, like that sort of general attitude towards me as a gay kid, like definitely fueled my ambition for sure. But yeah, I definitely, I can't think of specific. I mean, multiple. I think as a gay kid or someone that's sort of marginalized you encounter that a lot, even if people don't realize that they're doing it like maliciously. I think people write you off because they've decided like why your path is already. Wow, that's, that's actually like a really profound answer. I wasn't expecting. Well, that's what listening to fast car when you're

nine years old. It's more than I was just like, he's, he's so hot. He can't possibly have smart or profound things to say. But here are you. are proving people wrong. Well, that's what I'm here to do. I'm breaking down, I'm breaking down the very presumptuous barriers of beautiful people. Okay, that's funny. Beautiful people. They've been othered for too long.

You showed that bitch. You were like, I was hot and gay. And look what I did. I achieved something. Okay. When was the last time that you lied? I don't, I mean, I will say this. I mean, don't fucking tell me I don't lie.

Owl. No, I don't, it's not that I don't lie. Okay, I think I think about lying more than I end up lying, if that makes sense. Because my problem is, I am a bad liar. I thought you were an actor. But like, my problem is, like, I don't, I'm someone who, I don't think I could live with the guilt of telling like a proper lie. I mean, if you're talking like a lie where I'm just like, you know, make up an excuse for not wanting to like go to someone's event or something. something like, I don't know, that's like every now and then for sure. If you're talking about like a proper love, but I don't think of that as a lie really. You know, if that's where you're, if we're talking that, I would say like, you know, probably recently. Now we're parsing into your morality.

Like what, what is a lie? Well, just because you know, like sometimes you wake up and it's like, you're tired and you're feeling like not your best and you don't want to. And you just want to say to someone like, yeah, you know, sorry, I actually can't make it because of blah, blah, blah, not because you want to say like, look, I've been hung over for two days in a row and whatever. There's only certain people that you can just be like, I'm so sorry, I just don't want to come. And they're like saying no more. 100%. And like most, that's like your inner circle close people.

And then everyone else, unfortunately, you do have to manufacture something that it's, that's like a white lie to not hurt people's feelings, obviously. Yeah. Like that's my thing is like I feel like I do sort of like that kind of lying, you know, when needed. Like when you were like, I'm so excited to come on your new podcast. No, that was the truth. But that's the thing is like. That was when I tapped into my, uh, theater school background.

No, but like big lying I'm not good at because, not that I've never done it, but I don't, I can't live with the guilt of it. I'm awful. It eats away with me. And I think I'm just bad at it. So I don't, I honestly prefer, I'm someone who like, even when it's scary for me, I do prefer to kind of be honest about those. I've learned for me, to me. Gorgeous, talented, ethical. What else do you fucking people want from this man? That's what I'm saying. Give me that Nobel Peace Prize. It's honestly coming to you for just for the...

At least a Pulitzer. What is the Pulitzer for? I think it's for writing a book. No, no, I think it's journalism. I don't know what it's for, but I want one of those to do. Me, I'm smooth-brained, as you know, so I couldn't tell you, babe. Couldn't tell you. None of my business, because I'm never getting one.

They're not going to give me a fucking Pulitzer for doing a five-hour podcast on The Cure. It's not happening. It might, you'd never say never. For me being like, this song fucks, Pulitzer. What character in a book or film, speaking of books and films, what character in a book or film do you relate to the most and why? I mean, well, there's like, I'm thinking so hard. I can sort of answer it generally.

I think the reason I liked cowboys when I was a kid, especially, like, you know, the Lone Ranger or Shoeuvres. Diane or, you know, cowboy figures like Indiana Jones is like, I think when I was little feeling that way we were kind of talking about before being sort of like marginalized as a gay kid. I think a lot of times, especially when I was younger, people who were sort of different and ostracized, like oftentimes were sort of the villain in things or maybe they were like, that was like their weakness in the storyline or whatever. And I think the thing that's cool about the sort of mythical figure of the cowboy, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, will, like, is that in those stories, they are sort of ostracized and sort of on the outside of things and sort of different, but they're also the hero of the story. And that actually is what kind of gives them their power in a way. And I think seeing that those sort of solitary, different

people would like roll into town and everyone's sort of like, but that was kind of like, I guess like the idea of the anti-hero, I suppose, or something. But like, you're the problem. It's you. it's me no but I think that I related to that because I always felt like I knew I was different not even just because I was gay but because I was like a weirdo and you were annoying

yeah because I was just like a creative you know I was just like a creative little weird kid and like I think I didn't even for many years I didn't even feel like it fit into the gay community you know what I mean and so like I think sort of relating to the cowboy figure in that way. I mean, I know it sounds sort of like wanky, but just subconsciously,

I think I liked those characters because I think they felt cool and safe to me. And I could relate that they were like different, but it was a positive sort of representation of someone who was different, I suppose. The positive representation of the outsider. That's a really good answer. Yeah, exactly.

It's a really good answer. Damn. Thank you. I would have said something stupid, like Winona Ryder in reality, and I would have had literally, literally nothing good to back it up except that like I too am seeking a creative life and I too have a proclivity towards dating guys who are underachievers and emotionally available.

Exactly. What if I was just like, oh, you know, like Parker Posey and party girl. Like I just said something like fully like I too would date the falafel guy. Like this is amazing. This is my journey. Okay. Who is the last person you met that you were star-struck by now that you're famous. Now that you're famous and you're hobnobbing with other famous. Well, there's just, there's so many.

No, honestly, the nice thing is, is it's like, I think most of the time I meet people I've been lucky where most of the time they're very, they exceed your expectations and you just feel, they make you feel comfortable. and so that you don't get that way. But honestly, when I met Willie Nelson last year, that was like... William, William. Yeah, it was such a crazy lead-up as well because I'd heard he was a fan of mine. And I think my sort of like lingering imposter syndrome is whenever anyone tells me, oh, like so-and-so is a fan and it's sort of like industry chat or whatever. Yeah.

My assumption is I'm like, well, like, I don't know how much truth there is to that. Like, what do you mean by fan? Like, they've heard of me or they're like sitting down listening to my music. I'm like, yeah, you know, I'm kind of like, I err on the side of not getting my hopes up about things like that. So I always just go like, okay, cool. Like, but in my back in my mind, I'm like, yeah, right. So I'd heard that about Willie and I sort of thought that. I was like, well, the person who's telling me this.

I'm like, I feel like maybe this is more about like you than the truth of that or something. So I'm like, I took it with a grain of soul. And then it sort of escalated with stuff where, you know, We ended up playing this festival together. And they were like, oh, you know, Willie, Willie's asking him for you to come hang on the tour bus. And I was like, oh. And I went back there and he's a genuine fan and was so, so cool.

Exceeded my expectations beyond anything. I mean, he's like... Was it when he, like, pulled out a bong? No, I don't think he's smoking anymore. I think he's doing edibles because I think he's... Well, no, he's definitely still high, but I don't think he's like smoking. He's just like...

Doing a healthier version? Yeah, I think so. Edibles make me go in the sunken place. So that was the last time I was Starstruck. And then right after that conversation, Luke Wilson walked on the bus. And I was like, this is getting too weird.

This is too much. Luke Wilson is so hot. It's so hot. Did you give him my phone number? So hot. No, but he didn't say, Orville. What is the point?

Literally, what is the point of having a famous friend? If you're not going to do, you're not doing any legwork on my behalf, honestly. I'll do. You know, so selfish. You don't think about me.

I know. It is true. It is true. could have done more. It is true. I'm going to have to move in with you, babe. You're welcome to. I need a roommate. Okay. Well, just so you know, me and Sarah, we're talking the other night, our mutual friend, Sarah, and we're supposed to go to some party of celebs or whatever, and we're just like, man, we're just like so over it. Like, not to be like whatever, but it's like, who cares ours now

about like starstruck stuff. But I was like, you know, I'd be really excited to see David Matthews. David Matthews. Of course she would. That's the really the only person. I would just be so happy. I kind of feel like it's attainable, Yossi. I think so too, babe. I think we can get them on this program.

Get him on the pod. You know, Dave, friend of the pod. David Matthews. Famous, a fellow South African. Not David. David Matthews. That's right. Fellow South African.

True, very true. Also should have a Pulitzer. Okay. Anyways, that's more about. Did he do Taylor Swift? Did I make that up? You absolutely made that up one million percent in your mind. Who's the one that did Taylor Smith?

John Mayer. Taylor Smith. John Mayer. Okay, never mind. They're kind of interchangeable a little bit in my brain. Speaking of finding husbands, have you ever slid into anyone's DMs? Yeah, of course. Who was it?

I think that's like one of the only benefits of sort of any form of what everyone to call it, like fame is like renownedness. Totally. Like it's more acceptable for you to slide into someone's DMs because they're more than likely to be like, oh, cool. Well, yeah, because I think also, like, they can, well, either they might already have a context for who you are, or they can sort of, like, quickly gain a context of who you are, so you don't, you're not just coming off as like a psycho in the DMs. Like, it's, like, hey, like, I think the obvious subtext is kind of like, I think you seem cool. Right.

Or whatever, if that makes sense. This is how famous friendships are built. Okay, well, whose dams did you slide into? Was it for friendship? Was it for collab? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, for that stuff, yeah, I do it all the time, I think. But I mean, not in like a creepy way. I mean, sometimes it's in a sexy like, hey. How do you open that? How do you open that convo, the sexy DM combo? Like, what's the first line?

I usually start with hello. Just how, just how, just not hello, but like a form of absolute psychopathing hello. Hello. And then the, and then the, and then the, like, shocked emoji face, like. Like. And then a question mark just on its own. Hello. as a separate message.

Then next line. Question mark? Like, no answer? No, you know, I'll say, hey, you know, hey, love your art or love your music or whatever it is. Hey, love your art. I can't give away all my secrets. Hello, love your art. Down to collapse.

Yeah, I'll see, shut out. No, I play it cool. I'm usually just like genuine. I'm not trying to be like weird. you know. I'm going to try this. Hello. Hello. Maddie Healy, down to collab question? Maddie Healy.

What's obsessed with Maddie Healy? He's my short king, my short problematic king. I love that he likes to insist that he's tall and he's like, absolutely not. Okay. Hasn't you been kissing everybody? Is that a thing? I guess so. I don't follow too closely, to be honest. He checks their ID in the front row and then kisses them. That seems like I'm glad you're.

doing the legwork to make sure you're not, you know, breaking the law. But it doesn't make it any, any less like sort of strange to be, to just be like making out with fans in the front row. Guitar rock music is absolutely on life support. And like we need this shit to like, they're like, there's like four bands left that play guitar rock music that like anybody cares about on a big level. Like they've got to do some craze.

Who is it? The 1975. The Arctic monkeys. The Jonas brothers. Not the Jonas brothers. I mean, they do play guitar music. And they seem quite talented at the guitar. Yeah.

Not that I know Dick about, you know, whatever, chord progressions, but like they seem like they're doing the work. They're doing the heavy lifting. Yeah, I think so. I think so. I literally could only name Imagine Dragons. Like, I don't know. I know. Literally Oasis came into my mind and I was like, that's not right.

Yeah, they have not existed in 20-something years. But good work on that one. Okay. Thank you. What is the horniest song of all time, in your opinion? Oh, Chris Isaac, Wicked Game. Oh, yeah, dude, that one is good. And also the horniest music video accompanying that song.

It is... Is it Helena Christensen? I can't remember. I don't know who the girl is. But yeah, she's a famous model. I can't remember it's... Is it Helena Christian? Yeah, it was Helena.

Yeah, it was a wonderland. My mind is a wonderland. It's black and white, right? It's like a her Brits. Style and Perberts did it, but like, oh yeah, it's like on the beach. I mean, if that, if you grew up in that, she's so hot. She's so hot.

If you were around during that time as a youth, and that wasn't part of your sexual awakening, you're either a liar or you just, you never had a sexual awakening because it was impossible. That is like the horniest music video. And such a horny song, his voice. Oh, so good. Okay, I'm really going to disappoint you and bum me off.

But for me, the horniest song ever is crash into me by David Matthews. It's an undeniably hornyny song. Here's the thing about David Matthews is that man fucks, okay? Oh, I know. You will about him, but he absolutely fucks, and he will never let you forget it. You're upset.

I'm not upset. Listen, I'm not here to kinkshame. I just feel like you. I do believe this is your kink, though. David Matthews is your kink. He's so hot, dude. He's so hot to me. Okay, but it's not.

I wouldn't say this as a, like, a universally shared opinion. Not that he's not hot, but that, like, he's, like, horny and it's, like, this, like, beautiful horniness and, like, so I think it might be your kink, which I'm here for. What it is is is my beautiful mind, that people are just not on my fucking level, bitch. That's what it is, okay? But you think it's, like, beautiful mind, like, as in, like, like, the movie beautiful mind, where you're, like, you're writing. I'm in the room writing on the wall.

Like, all the windows are, like, covered in algorithms and. Yes, that's correct. Thank you for seeing me. And you're like, that's a serapulse in meme where you're like looking confused and all the like mathematics is around. Yes. Yeah. That's like literally me all the time. That's my beautiful.

I do love that about you. Next question. What's the biggest money you've ever turned down and what was it for? It was kind of recently actually. I don't know if I'm, I don't know if I should say exactly what it was for. Can you say like in a vague way what it was for? Yeah, it was a fashion related thing. Like they wanted to just sit at a show or like to be in a campaign or something?

It was to do a small performance at a fashion thing. But it required sort of like obviously to be... Racism. No. It required just a light bit of racism. And you were like, God, I'm sorry, it's a lot of money, but like I don't do racism. No, it just involved it involved the fact. of the brand.

And it's just like the fashion is so, how do I say this? Just not for me. Not my style. So much so that I was like, there's no amount of money that I could do to wear this and get away with this. Damn.

Do you feel like if this opportunity had come three years ago, you would have been able to turn it down? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Like it's that much not your style that even when you didn't have like the lavish cowboy lifestyle that you have now. And listen, you know, I do stuff like this all the time actually. Not like I'm some saint, but I joke that there might. Remember when a star is born with Gaga, when she does hair, body face?

Yes. I joke that I always have my hair body face moments where like someone's coming to me with like a song or like an offer of some sorts. And it's like sort of a big deal in a sense of like the lexicon of the world and whatever. and it's literally sometimes so bad that it would literally be me like on S&L going like

where are you going in them jeans like hair-boding face? I'm just not prepared to do honestly I'm not prepared to do anything that's going to like that I'm ever going to feel embarrassed about afterwards and in with regards to my career. I can't do it.

I just can't. I care too much about like what I do and like I'm too anxious of a person like there's no way I could just be like, oh, shit, yeah, whatever. I'm just not like that. Yeah. You've worked too hard to build this.

And actually, I really appreciate that about you because I'm going to, like aforementioned, move in with you and live off of you for the rest of my life. So I'm going to need you to protect the brand bib. Of course. It's for, I'm doing it for us. It's for our future. Okay. What's the best live show you've ever seen?

I think there's a few for different reasons. one of the best live performances I've ever seen was Rob Zombie. Oh, hell, yeah. And it wasn't that long ago. It was probably like six, Robert Zombie six or seven years ago. I'm actually a huge white zombie fan. And I also like, right, like, you know, a bit of Rob Zombie. You can hear it in your music.

It was like a circus. Like it was like, I mean literally like a circus. It was like people on stilts in like the crazy. You know he has that crazy artwork from white zombie era. Like everyone's sort of in that. It was so cool. It was so theatrical. It was such a performance.

I lived for that. It was amazing. I was like jaw on the floor. It was so good. I saw him. He was supposed to play with Marilyn Manson when they were doing that co-headline tour. This is like, I think like six or seven years ago or something. And Marilyn Manson at the last minute, of course, refused to go on stage.

But then Rob just did like his, the only set. And it was, oh, my God, it was so good. It was so good. It just hit me that Rob's on. is one of the only people that I can think of that's gone full Willy Wonka, but it works. Do you know what I mean? Like stilts, top hat, velvet, like whatever is happening. Because there's no whimsy.

There's no whimsy. No, it's just like horror core. I can't do, I can't do whimsy. That's like my kryptonite. I can't do that. But you can do like Tim Burton, which is like basically what's going on there. It's like old Tim Burton. Yeah.

You know? Because Tim Burton went a little whimsical. It's a good Tim Burton. Okay. What else besides Rob Zombie? Okay, well, one that you'll relate to as a fellow Smashing Pumpkins enthusiast. I played with Smashing Pumpkins at a festival.

Huge. I'm trying to remember where it was. I think we were in, we're somewhere on the East Coast, but. Yeah, I feel like you were in like Atlanta or something. I remember you being, like somewhere in the... Yeah, it was like shaky news or something like that. And it was so wild because I think now that I've gotten to sort of play with a lot of big artists or people.

Like, I think it was a convergence for the first time of, like, the realization that I was opening for a band like Smash and Pumpkins, which is like its own thing, even if I wasn't a fan, you're like, whoa, this is sort of like surreal and wild, right? And then the convergence of that feeling with the realization of, like, me being such a, like, huge fan of Smash and Pumpkins growing up and how kind of important they were to me when I was, especially, like, quite little. I think the meeting of those feelings, it was so wild because we were watching me and my band and all of us were just like going crazy.

I remember I was walking back to the bus after, to the back through the backstage. I was with my drummer, Chris. And I was like laughing hysterically, like full hysterical laughter, just pure happiness. Because I was like, we just fight with smashing popcorn. It's like, what the fuck? And I was like laughing. And then I'd be like, and then I started like sobbing uncontrollably. and everyone was like, are you okay?

And I was like, I'm fine. And then I'd start laughing again. And it went basically between, I think something broke in my brain. It was just like too, it was like overload, you know? So yeah, I had to sit in the back of the bus for like 20 minutes and compose myself because I was just like laughing and crying hysterically because it was just such a full circle moment for me as an artist and as a person. It was just very bizarre. So definitely that one's memorable.

There's so many. I mean, there's so, so many. But yeah, those are two that come to mind right now. Was Billy Corg's, like, full Gantal on stage in the line? Yeah, he was like, I don't know, yeah. He looked sort of like a, like a satanistic priest, like cultist leader with like a long, yeah.

Flowing rows. That vibes. Definitely like a dress. He brought his kids out on stage or is his kid, maybe one kid? I think there's a couple of kids. Yeah, there's like a whole thing. We stand. We stand, Billy Corp's on this program.

Okay, great answer. Friend of the pod. Friend of the pod, actually probably, probably enemy of the pod if he's ever listened to me talk about. To Van Splain. And that's okay. That's okay. We're not here to make friends, babe. We're here to win the Pulitzer for Best Podcast.

If anyone can understand the dichotomy of being equally loved and hated, it's Billy Corgan. It's Billy Corgs, babe. Maybe related to the last answer from the laughing and crying. When were you the most fucked up wasted hands? hammered, trashed off your whole asshole in your whole life. I mean, I feel like you've probably seen it because it was definitely the era. I mean, people probably don't know, but, you know, we lived together many years back in Los Angeles. And I definitely can think of like a photograph stands out to me.

Like anyone who, anyone in the L.A. area who knew about or maybe still knows about Futsis. Shout out to Futsis. Oh, shoot. Futsis. And shout out to O'Footzies. Shout out to Overpass for R-I-D. Not shout-out. What is the opposite of a shout-out?

Like, block from my memory, men-in-black wand overpass away from my life. Do you remember how much stuff I lost at Overpass? Yes. Do you know how much of my soul I lost at Overpass that I'll never get back? It is like absolutely gone. No, I mean, you've seen, though. You've seen me at that moment. It's definitely in that era of Los Angeles when we were living together.

So just, you know, sometime around that. But that was like the scene. It was like Overpass, Futsis, Chacha Lounge, kind of. era. My two thoughts are twerking on the cemetery and the chocolate cake incident and for whatever reason there was

like a chocolate cake and we got home like so fucking wasted that we decided to like have a cake fight and there's just pictures of us covered in chocolate cake. Why? It actually sounds really tame and gorgeous compared to like if we ever get like no galgar on here.

Like someone who's like I spent 17 days in the chateau doing heroin. It actually sounds quite, it actually sounds quite, like, cute and endearing. Because actually, I'm thinking about it, I'm like, we would get, like, we'd get, like, drunk, and then we'd go to, like, Del Taco and get Carnia's sot of fries and just, like, go home and, like, dance around in your living room. It was actually quite cute. Listen, we know, we didn't ever have to, we didn't have to call the dealer on the seventh day to bring us the speedball at the chateau. Yeah, no, no, no. It was all very, very cute.

And there was, like, yeah, there was a lot of laughing. Lots of laughing. Lots of laughing. Okay. 24. What was your biggest as in if you had made another choice that you wouldn't be here right now?

God, there's been a couple that I actually get kind of freaked out about sometimes if I get too existential about it. But one for sure in particular was I tore my ACL when I was a dancer when I was young. And at that time, I was making music, but my big passion was I wanted to pursue dance. And I did ballet.

And I fucked up my knees so badly that it basically ended any possibility of a serious career as a dancer. And so I think that sort of pivoted me to focus on music a bit more seriously. Huge. And then I think my old band that I was very serious about when I was younger, breaking up, that kind of motivated me. Yeah, forced me to go and do my own thing, which eventually led to me doing what I do now, essentially. So those are two moments for sure that I don't know, like, would have been in a completely different world, for sure. You guys will never find it, but also briefly, me and Orville were in a band together.

And I was like absolutely Sidviciousing because I cannot to this day play. instrument. And it was like, no, we'll just unplug you. You were doing good. I was starting to learn one of the songs, half of it, after like six to ten weeks of practicing. Gorgeous answer. What do you love the most about being famous? And don't you fucking lie to me that you don't sometimes love? No, I'll tell you the truth. I'll tell you the truth. My favorite thing about it is being able to get a reservation at a restaurant easily. That's like a weird old man ass, like New York answer. Like,

I love to be able to hit up Keith McNally and get a boss as art table whenever I want. Oh, damn. That was like so hard hitting accurate. You're like, yeah, actually. You know, I'm not trying to like, you know, you know me. I'm not like going out to like the club or anything. So like my idea of like a fun night out is to like go with friends to a good restaurant and I love to eat.

So for me, it's it's wonderful to be able to like sometimes name drop. yourself in a way that you're like, hey, it's me and, you know, I have some friends we're hoping to get a table on set. It's like an hour from now on a Saturday night and they'll accommodate. No, this is like so real, honestly, and not to like meander into how long gone territory, but like getting a fucking table at a restaurant

in Los Angeles, it's like a long gone territory. That's right, babe. We're like overlap and cringing. Shout out to how long gone. Friends of the pod. Friends of the pod, H-LG. But like, you know, they love to talk about shit. getting a fucking reservation at the San Vicentee bungles or whatever, which... That is like the most toxic podcast in a way.

Because I'm like, I joke about the... It's aspirational. It's aspirational. When I went on their pod, I was like, I'm sure of what I'd never listen to it and I didn't really know what it was. And people were trying to describe it to me. And I was like, I was like, okay, wait, so it's like two straight men. It's two straight white men talking about fashion. Working out. Working out.

being kind of being rich like sort of like interior stuff like sort of just like you know entourage lifestyle I was like is this and so that's why I went on and I just dragged them for like an hour and an hour long interview and I said to Chris recently I was like I was like when are you guys going to hand me back because I'm I'm dying

to roast you again because I just think they're so funny that's why it's so fun though it's because they're so funny they like it they like to drag yeah yeah they're like those kind of like there's kind of here we love them friends of the pod Shut up. Friends of the pod.

But yeah, this is their, this is their milieu is talking about restaurant reservations. But, like, yeah, man, I'll tell you, getting a fucking table at a restaurant in Los Angeles, it's like you have to, like, give a blood sample, like, put a deposit down, offer up your firstborn. Fully. And even then you'll show up once you go through all of that and have the reservation. They're like, they're like, hey, yeah, we're a little busy right now. So you're probably going to be about 45 minutes. It's like, girl.

I made a reservation. It's in my calendar. You're like, what I thought that was the point. But that's just like the first step. So yes, that is helpful when you can just like, that's what I'm saying. It's not just like a bougie thing, but it's like traverse the landscape and the minefield that is trying to just go eat at a restaurant in like the city. So what you're saying is I can call and be like, I'm making this reservation for Orville

Peck and then I can just take the table. Yeah, 100%. I give you, I give you permission. And you can just take any, you can just take any man in a cowboy hat because they don't know what my face looks like. So they're just going to assume it's me. Exactly. You have my full permission. I will take a man once you DM, slide into Luke Wilson's DMs. Hello.

So it's going to be you showing up with Luke Wilson wearing a cowboy hat under my reservation. Yes, under your reservation after you DM him. I think Luke can get you his own reservation, frankly. Hello, question mark. Okay. What do you hate the most about being famous? I think for me, and this is like a wow-wab thing, but I think the thing that kind of like hurts me sometimes is maybe like, I think I've found myself in social atmospheres where,

or social in moments environments, where people sort of, I think, assume something about me, like, or like come at me with sort of like a chip on the shoulder attitude or sort of like, I'm not going to be impressed by you because of who you are or something, where it's like, you know, anyone who knows me, I'm like a very, you know, I have time for everyone. I'm like a friendly person. I'm have no.

You're literally the most charitable and generous. I don't bring any sort of ego into an environment where I'm like, think I'm, you know, so like I think the assumption that I'm going to be that way hurts my feelings because sometimes I have to, I have to like receive sort of aggression because I think people assume I'm going to be aggressive or something. And it's like a very weird mind fuck where you're like, well, you're only assuming this, this is your assumption. You know what I mean?

Like, anyway. That's their insecurity, though. That's, like, insecure people who are like, oh, I better, like, puff my chest so that this, like, famous person doesn't think that I'm trying to, like, be their friend. And it's like, we'll just be there, just be normal. Well, and I'm such an insecure, anxious attachment that, like, even when I get treated that way, I'm still, like, doing the legwork to make them feel better. So, you know, then there's that.

But, like, I think that's the thing I don't like about it is, like, I think sometimes there's an assumption, and maybe rightfully so for a lot of celebrities, because I've met a lot of assholes too. But I'm, you know, just putting it out there. I'm a nice person. You don't have to be hard with me because I'm very sensitive. Yeah, if you see him at a Los Angeles area restaurant in which he dropped his own name to get the table, just go right up and say hello, babe.

Frankly, you could probably join me. I might be there alone. You can come sit down. I do get a lot of questions about this when people find out we're friends. Honestly, often the first question is, how does he eat? Oh, girl, I get asked this all the time. Well, most times I'm not going to a restaurant. I do tie it up.

I put them in braids often. I have to go to an eating thing, which is very helpful. Tie, yeah. But I was at something recently. I was an Oscars thing. And I hadn't thought ahead that it was going to be like food served. And the food looked so good and I'd love to eat. And so I was trying to like find creative ways.

And I kept like putting it in my fringe. I'm like, fuck this, it's just crazy. And then everyone's already looking at me. You just had like mayonnaise dripping from the fridge. Like, it just starts to become like a full circus. And so, you know, it's like, like cue like the curb music underscoring. You know what I mean? Like.

So I'm just like, I gave up. I was like, again, I'm not eating tonight. It's a good diet plan. I mean, I didn't get myself on those masks. Right. Well, you kind of answered it, but I want you to expand on it. What's, because maybe there's a different answer, what's one thing that you wish people understood about you? Like, maybe people get wrong about you or that, like, they never seem to, like, understand this part of who you are?

That I am trying to cultivate some sort of fake character or, like, I don't know, like, that I'm somehow not being authentic. I think for me, yeah, like I obviously wear a mask. Like, is Orville the name I was born with? No, but that's most people in this industry. You know, Bob Dylan, sorry to break it to you. Everybody, like, you know, it's like. Yossie. Just kidding.

Unfortunately, that is my real name. Yeah. But like, I think that's the thing that sometimes aggravates me is I think. And then it's almost like what we talked about earlier, that there's this sort of like gotcha mentality of a lot of people that like, they're like, oh, he used to do theater. He's like, yeah, girl, I talk about all the time. I also grew up playing in punk bands, and I've been a performer my whole life since I was 10 years old.

I've been doing this forever. I've worked my ass off. I love music and especially country music with a real genuine passion. And every song I write is completely about my life and something very personal, in fact. And I just, I think sometimes people look at sort of the theatrical and performative element of what I do visually, and they want to write off. my sincerity, but the truth is, I write for a lot of pop stars and stuff like that. And it's like, I feel like those people show up with zero authenticity to like a recording session because they don't even, they haven't written the lyrics.

They have no input in the song. And like maybe they're not wearing a mask and all this stuff. But like, they're being pretty insincere. And it's like I'm showing up really trying to just be as authentic and sincere as possible. And I think not all the time, but I think sometimes people write me off in a way that isn't necessarily fair, I would say. First of all, people are just so narrow-minded. It's crazy because you're like, actually, do you remember a man called David Bowie?

That's what I'm saying. Did anyone, like, just because there's like an art and a theater to something doesn't negate its authenticity? I mean, we talked about this like early on. Remember when I was like, it makes absolute perfect sense, just knowing you and your whole like life story and interests and background, like this iteration is 100% makes sense to me and is 100% like the result of all of your like phases and inputs you know. And news flash, I'm actually very, very proud of everything I've accomplished.

I think people also think they're embarrassing me or catching me out about stuff. It's like I'm extremely proud of my when I was an actor, when I was a dancer, when I, my punk background, everything. I'm really proud of everything I've done because like I said, I worked fucking hard to get all of it. So it's like, you know. I mean, I just remembered seeing of your punk background, one of the drunkest times, is when we went and got our goofy tattoos

because speaking of things that we're proud of forever that are part of our authentic selves. You know when we really went into dangerous territory when at some point, because we used to get weird and get tattoos, there was some point where there was a tattoo gun like at your house. Oh my God, yeah, that was like when it was like code red, babe.

That was like absolutely removed this from the home. Yeah, that wasn't safe. That was like... That's right. Now we have goofy tattoo guns forever and that is. Part of who we are. Next question. What's your therapist's name?

Do you go to therapy? Oh my God. Do you think, girl, take a look at me. You don't think this needs therapy? You're like five times a week, bitch. It's a miracle that I make music that I have time to even go to the studio because my busy therapy schedule. I do go to therapy. I love therapy.

Therapy saved my life a lot of times. And I love my therapist. If he goes on vacation, I genuinely go into crisis because I just like miss talking to him. You're like, what about Bob? You show up on his vacation. I'm like, hey, oh my God, what are you doing here? I sit down with a journal. No, yeah, I practice a lot of mindfulness.

I'm very mental health positive. I work on my mental health a lot. I have to because I think my mental health would be in the toilet if I'd, didn't, especially traversing kind of a lot of the weird shit I have to, I don't know, see about myself and online or whatever it might be. Like, I think I would lose my mind if I wasn't in therapy for sure. What is one mental health tool that you swear by that you can share with the listeners that they can incorporate into their day-to-day lives?

Journaling, hands down, like, whatever that means for you, whether it's like, you know, Dear Diary, today I woke up and had a juice. or it's just like stream of conscious. Dear diary, today I slid into the DMs of someone and I said, hello, question mark. And they didn't answer. And it made me feel really bad. But like whatever style of,

I think writing and clearing your head of sort of narratives and thoughts, I think writing stuff down on paper every single day, no matter what it is, however it manifests itself, I think that's really helpful, is really helpful to me. Also, for me, a tool that's been sort of so helpful

because I'm someone who gets in my head a lot and I kind of like I said, I'm always on the side of assuming the worst and especially when it's to do with me or whatever is like to practice what someone once told me was referred to as positive misinterpretation. So, you know, if there's like a situation where you're at a crossroads, we're like,

I'm not sure about what the meaning is behind this. And I can either, as humans, we often negatively misinterpret where we're like, oh, well, this is because of me and because I'm like this and they don't like this or like, like, you know, yeah, like practicing positive misinterpretation where you just kind of delude yourself into going, oh, well, they probably were just, you know, maybe their, maybe their houses on fire. And that's why they're not answering the phone. Just like delude yourself and just detached from the idea that it's about you. You know, that's kind of a joke example. But I mean, like, detach from the idea that it has anything to do with you. And that can. After you start practicing that, it can be really freeing of, well, I found a really freeing of anxiety and sort of like ruminating about what's the meaning behind things. Positive reinterpretation. Yeah. I love it.

I love it. I'm going to start doing that. Be one of those people that's like, oh, it's not about me. Doesn't that sound nice? It's my dream. You know how you meet those people? I think they're called narcissists. But you just want like, you just want like 10% of what they have.

So that you're still normal and like, and like a good person, but you are not like constantly like, are they mad at me? They're mad at me. What did I do? They're mad at me. Well, I think also like, I think we grew up in like sort of like a time period of a scene where being like a jaded, sort of like negative curmudgeony person was kind of like cool. Sure.

And I think it like lended itself to all of our insecurities and traumas because we were already leaning that way. And now I'm like, oh my God, I want to just undo all of that and become and be this more positive, gentle person with myself because it didn't do me any favors, really, in a long term. Unlike your 23-year-old ass, I'm very open about my age because I like it when people look at me. I love it when they're like, no, you're not 40. And I'm like, yes, I am, it does. That's a compliment, though. Yeah, because I, you think I work hard on these podcasts, babe? No, 80% of all of my time, money, and energy is spent on being hot. It is a full fucking time job.

Do you know who Barbara Sternum is? Yes, babe. Dr. Barbara Sturm, she's German. Okay. Is that Sturm? Sturm. What did I say? Sturman?

Sternum. Yeah, that's a part of your body. I don't know what it is, but you know what I'm talking about. Barbara Strum. Strum, something like that. They brought me in, invited me for a full facial, and it was very, it was really nice. I think if you haven't been, you should go.

I think you don't even need it, bitch. You wear a mask. You should have gifted it to me. That's why I do need it. Can you imagine what this looks like under here? Yeah, it's true. It's probably some clogged pores, babe. How often are we cleaning the mask?

Do we like a little spray alcohol? Like, what's the deal? Yeah, they clean them. They clean them. Okay, next question. Wildcard. Speaking of the mask. Does the mask stay on during sex?

Not typically, but only once that I can think of. But it was sort of like a request. Hell yeah. No further questions on that one. When was the last time you cried? I mean, not yet today, but that's a miracle. You're like, 12 hours ago, myself to sleep last day. Yeah.

It's like, it's pretty much every day. But not in like a depressing way. Like in a lot, in a kind of like I have like a lot of, I do a lot of like cathartic. You're like every day at 4 p.m. I put on fast car, I stare out the window, and I cry. So 4 p.m. Literally. Drag me.

What is your biggest regret? I mean, it's not really a regret. There is literally only one that I can think of, but it's not a regret because I think it wouldn't have made me who I am now. But not finding my own self-confidence and like my own self-confidence and not believing in myself earlier. But that being said, I think that really shaped who I am now, having gone through that. But I, you know, like, I was so down on myself as a kid and, like, just believed so much of what other people were sort of putting on me. And I wish I had found my own sort of, like, light and power earlier. But I also think I'm at where I'm at now and I'm the kind of sensitive person I am now because I didn't, I went through that.

So it's not really a regret, but I'd say that. Okay. Non-answer. I'll take it. You've done well so far. How do you want to die? I think it should either be totally non-eventful, like in my sleep, or it should be like front page and you're something weird. Right. Like Princess Diana, like pushed off the road by paparazzi. Like drama. Right. Or like, you know, or something like something like, yeah, like trampled by elephant in like something really ridiculous. Right. In my home.

full circle. No, it should be like. While trying to eat a burger at an Oscars party. Fully. And like, you know, trying to be resuscitated by Cape Lanchette. Like, I want drama. Fast car was playing in the background. Tracy Jabbin literally was playing in the background.

Like on the piano. Autoerotic asphyxiation during sex is the mouse. That would be a page six slapper. Okay. What do you think about me? What do I think about you? This is more of a question of people who don't know me, so but go ahead. Well, I think you are in how many years have I known you now? Like 15?

Yeah, about 15. In the time I've known you, I've seen you do so many different things and ventures. And you've always been so passionate about music and passionate about what you love. eager to always talk and learn and like I think what you're doing now makes so much sense to me and why you're excelling at it so well because you've always been that person because you've always been such a fan of music and so learned about it and so passionate about it and so when I think of you I think of that and I think of someone who works really really hard and someone who's very, very kind and funny.

I'm crying. Okay, but am I better than Zainlo? Yeah, because Zainlo doesn't call me for interviews anymore. Zane Ho, bitch. She's here. Zane who? Watch out. The only Zane I know is...

I was trying to make a joke or I was going to say that Zane from... What's Harry Stiles band? Old band? Oh, sure. Zane... Wait, is his name also Zane Lowe? No. What is his?

I'm saying. Zane Malick. Zane Malick? Isn't Zane Malick the guy that was in the Queen movie, though? No, that man's name is not even Zane at all. The one, the Freddie Mercury? Yeah. Mr. Robot?

Yeah. What's that guy's name? No clue, actually. It's absolutely escaping my whole mind right now. If he was standing in front of me, I'd be like, hello, sir, but I couldn't tell you. So if you loved that joke, um, please come to my stand-up. I'm here all week, babe. No, you're good at a lot of things, but honestly, like, maybe comedy is like,

one that you should put on the side. I don't think that's true. I think I'm very funny. I just didn't have all my ducks in the row on that one. That was still, that was like out of town, out of town, um,

testing on that one. So we're going to cut that from the set, but. Okay. Last question. What do you want to plug? What do I have coming up? Well,

I put in an album of Broncos. If you haven't heard Bronco, uh, thanks very much for not being a fan and I hope you can become one. If you haven't heard Bronco yet, go, fuck yourself, but please, please listen to it. I'm on a country music singing competition called My Kind of Country.

It's me, Mickey Guyton, and Jimmy Allen. And it's a beautifully shot documentary-style competition show. It's not like, you know, the other ones you know. And that is premiering March this month. And yeah, I'm doing like a lot of TV stuff coming up. She's on the table, babe. Go to my Instagram or my website or something. I can't remember what I have to plug.

But there's stuff going on. She's busy. I'm booked. Thank you, Orville, for spending this time with me. Thank you, my darling. Thanks for listening to 24-question party people, and thanks to my guest, Orville Pack. This episode was produced by Chris Sutton,

Sasha Ashall, and Jesse Miller-Borden with help from Justin Sales. Our gorgeous theme song was composed by Heather Fortune, special thanks to Sean Fennessey, Rob Harvilla, and Dr. House, getting me through the rough times. come back every Tuesday for a new episode of 24 question party people on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. 24 question party people.