Bandsplain - Bandsplain x 60 Songs That Explain the 90’s LIVE

Episode Date: December 7, 2023

Rob Harvilla, Chris Ryan, and our intrepid host Yasi Salek converge onstage at the Teragram Ballroom in Los Angeles, California to do a live draft episode in honor of Rob’s fantastic new book 60 Songs That Explain the 90’s. A heartwarming and funny evening from start to finish that we are so happy to share with all of you.  Follow Rob on Twitter at @Harvilla Follow Chris on Twitter @ChrisRyan77 Host: Yasi Salek Guests: Rob Harvilla, Chris Ryan, and Rob's Mom Producers: Jesse Miller-Gordon, Jonathan Kermah, and Justin Sayles Audio Editor: Adrian Bridges Theme Song: Bethany Cosentino Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Wait, like, Bandsplain? Hello and welcome to Bandsplain. This is usually a show where I invite a guest on to explain a cult band or iconic artist. You know the drill. But today, we have a special episode for you, a live taping of the event I recently did with Rob Harvilla and Chris Ryan to celebrate the release of Rob's brand new book, 60 songs that explain the 90s at the Tehran

ballroom here in LA on November 16th. Make sure you get a copy of that book. It's gorgeous. Heartfelt hilarious, all the things that you would expect from Robert Motherfucking Harvilla. We did a draft of the songs in Rob's book and it was super fucking fun and not just because I'm pretty sure I won. It was just fun in general. We also got a special guest appearance from the legend, the icon Rob's mother, Barb Harvilla. Thank you so much to everyone who came out to see the event, especially the brough who flew from literal England, you guys, to see the show across the pond, and also to the guy who somehow snuck in a jar, a glass jar, of homemade pickled beets to present to me as a gift. I did not eat them for safety reasons, but I appreciate the effort.

I think I'm not trying to encourage this, but you know what? A lot of determination went into that. Also, before we get into it, the draft, I have to tell you guys, I'm very sorry, but it is that time of year. Bansplain will be taking a hiatus until probably, I don't know, early spring of 2024 so that your intrepid host, I can winter in the Google Doc of my discontent and emerge victorious in the spring with a bunch of new, extremely long, extremely thorough. some would say too long. Those people don't have to listen. Episodes for you and yours. So Bonge till then, babe. Here is the live draft. Actually, I'm so sorry, we tricked you. This is a live taping of Bansplain guided by voices and you guys can't leave until it's over. So that's going to be like Saturday or Sunday. Get comfy. Just kidding. Imagine. You guys, before we really get into

it, like the nitty-gritty of it. I want to paint a little picture for you. If you've read the book, you know this. When young Rob Harvilla was writing at Scene Magazine in 2001, he wrote something bad, and it was a bad review of the band, You Two.

Can you believe? Hater. He got some feedback, babe. Got a little bit of hate mail, if you will. And we've brought one of those haters here to read her letter to the editor out loud. Please welcome to the stage, Barb Harvilla.

You can just call me mom. Okay, so, yeah, I wrote a letter to the editor, uh-huh. And I love how they entitled it, Harvilla, call your mom. So what I wrote is, I have to question your criteria for hiring music writers. It seems that you have one too many young punks whose heads are still stuck in the Seattle grunge phase and who apparently know squat about good rock music. As a longtime YouTube fan, I have to take issue with Rob Harvilla's short-sighted preview of the Elevation Tour. I was at that concert.

It was one of several U-2 concerts I've attended, and I can assure you that the band is better than ever, and Bono is still a rock and roll god. But I suppose we can't expect much from a writer whose favorite bands growing up included Hall and Oates, MC Hammer, and yes, even Vanilla Ice. But it's particularly disturbing to me

since I bought Rob's very first concert ticket. At the age of 14, he went to see you two and thought they were the bomb. As parents, we do the best we can, but we can't control the direction our kids take when they grow up. This two shall pass. We'll still set a place for Rob at Thanksgiving dinner. Rob's mom.

Thank you. Thank you. And, you know, I did want to say that while I was genuinely irritated with Rob, this wasn't his first bad YouTube review either. so I was genuinely irritated again. But, you know, I tried to forgive him. But I, you know, I mean, it just to me, you two is one of the best, if not the best,

rock band in history, you know? And so, again, I was so frustrated. It's like, what is it with this kid already? You know, so I felt like I had to do what I had to do. But my primary purpose for writing that letter was to make Rob laugh. Because that is what he does for me. He makes me laugh. He always has and he still does.

And I so appreciate that from him because, you know, life is hard. And we all need to laugh as much as we can. So I love him. Have you guys ever fucked up that bad that your mom wrote a letter to your boss, a public letter to your boss. Like nobody in history has ever fucked up that bad. It's so gorgeous. You think he would learn his lesson, right?

I know. You try to raise a nice son and look, no respect. You guys, I was going to go off into like a total side tangent about a piece of hate mail I received writing it all weekly, but we don't have time for that. It is my great honor and pleasure, you guys, to welcome the author and host of 60 songs

that explain the 90s. The man of the hour. Barb's son. My father. Barb is not my mother, though. Or my grandmother. I need to understand that it's complicated. Like, she's not my grandmother, but he is my father. You guys just wouldn't really understand. The myth, the legend. Mr. Robbie Harvilla.

Hi, Mom. How have you been? Can I get another round of applause for my mom? Isn't she incredible? It's my mom. She's amazing. Thank you. Please for Yasi as well.

I've been talking to Yassi for three years. I just met her. Yassi Sala. Wow. Here we are. Here we are. This many years later. Okay, that was over 22, 23 years ago that we...

Who would have thought we would still be talking about it? I know. Seriously. It's amazing. People ask me why I'm so self-deprecated. I know, right? It's because I was ethered by my mom in print when I was 21 years old. I am egos.

I am the bad kind of egos. So thank you, Mom. You're welcome. You are so welcome. I needed that. But listen, hey, I just want to tell you your dad and I are so excited for your success. No, we are. I'm not kidding now.

This is serious. We are so happy for you. for your success with the podcast. And now the book, which if you don't have that book, you need to go out and get it right away. And don't skim over the footnotes. I'm just telling you, there's some gems in there.

Actually, get out your phone right now. I can't believe you came here. You didn't party by the book. Get it out right now. And I want to see it. Thank you. Good. So, yeah, we are just so very proud of you.

Rob, you're so talented and we love you. And I have a little gift for you, okay? Thank you. You are. I said it was little. It's a blue canary for the outlet by your light switch. Birdhouse in your soul. Who watches over you?

That was great. Thank you. That was great. So, you know, when you're sitting downstairs late at night and you're listening to some scary last tracks on an album or whatever. A lot of music scares me, Mom. I know it does. I know it does.

I listen to that episode. And so just, just, lift your bird night light on and you'll feel so much better. This is beautiful. Thank you so much. You're welcome. For when you take that corn album out. Yeah, I can't even do it.

I still can't listen to corn. I'm sorry. So can I go now? You can absolutely go. You can stay if you want. Oh, no. You can sit here and I, okay. I'm out of here. I want to watch the rest of the show.

You guys, I want to watch the rest of the show. You want you to know that there's like 16 members of Rob's family here. Like literally flew in from... We took over the green room. Yeah. We had sandwiches. Yeah. It was a whole thing.

This is actually a Harvilla family reunion and we are just the entertainment. I want you to know my parents live in Los Angeles and they did not attend. They are not here. I mean, they live on the west side, so it's like understandable. There was a freeway on fire earlier, I understand. They don't know what I do for a living still. It's fine. It's probably for the best.

Yes. You guys, now it's my absolute. delight and pleasure to welcome, would we say, America's favorite podcaster? Absolutely. Yeah. That's true. Christopher Ryan. Do I have to stand?

Why did you do that? I don't know. I'm from the Midwest, as I've mentioned many, many times. What's up? Hey. How are you guys? How is everybody? Thanks for coming out.

I know my name's not on the marquee. It's not a big deal. No, it should be. You have done this before, and we are relying on you tremendously to make this. I want you guys to shine tonight. This is, well, you're in luck. Thank you so much for coming out. These are two of my favorite podcasts.

Bandsplaying in 60 songs, well, however many songs it is. And we couldn't be more proud of them. Oh, my God, thank you. It's amazing to be here tonight. All that sincerity out the window. So should we start talking about what we're doing here tonight? Yeah, so I'm not sure if you guys are aware, but we are doing a draft of the songs.

in Rob's book. Chris Ryan, as his tradition, do you want to explain to the fine folks in the audience what a draft is and how it works? On this show,

I get to be the straight man, so it's like, yeah, I know the rules of the draft. It's kind of dungeon mastery, but basically we're picking from a couple of different categories. They're all songs from Rob's book. We're doing rock song,

rap song, pop song, music video, and then a couple of wrinkles, spiritually 90s artifact and song of deep personal resonance, which still has to come from Rob's book, which was... No, I said it could be any song. No, but I know, but I think Rasi and I both wanted to...

It's too broad. Yeah, we need the restraints. Okay. We got to get those numbers up, too. Yeah, please, please. So, yeah, it's pretty simple that way. You can't... I mean, ordinarily, you would not be able to repeat, like, a band, but we won't have that problem because we're just taking the songs from the record

from the book and you only have one song per band and one song per band in the book. That's right. So we just need to pick out an order. Any opening remarks that you'd like to share with people, Yassi? Well, backstage CR was like, what's your strategy? And I was like, oh, no, like, is this? Oh, I'm not coming to the draft of the same energy,

I guess, is everyone else. I'm scared. I don't think anyone, I think if 10 people were drafting, no one would draft my pay. or mine. I have zero concern about overlap. I feel the same way. I feel the same way. I think that you do this every time we've drafted anything where you start out and just

being like listing and drafting is like patriarchal. That's right. That's your line. You turn into the demon from the exorcist and you're like, victory is the only way out. No, I think what you're seeing is that I follow my authentic heart. Okay. And that will always triumph, you guys. So just know that if you're just, be yourself, follow your heart.

heart, the spoils of victory will come to you. How are we determining who wins? Have we determined? Well, I mean, you could probably say you win. I think you're going to win regardless. It's like we're all playing for you here, but if anyone has strong opinions. We could also just take it democratically, like it's in terms of like audience response.

Totally. We were going to ask Justin Sales, who works on both of these shows and obviously does the wedding scammer podcast. Wait, wait, wait, we didn't do your pronunciation. Do you want to do that? Yes, real quick. Okay, I was going to do a PowerPoint presentation because I just always wanted to do that

and I figured this was a bad environment to try in front of 300 people in Los Angeles. And so instead we have cue cards that Justin's girlfriend Nicole was kind enough to make for us. One of my greatest skills is pronunciation. I think I'm sort of internationally known as just a great pronunciator of words. I specialize in English town

like dreary seaside English towns. I like, I pronounce the names of those very well. I've mispronounce words all the time. People yell at me on the internet, and here we have about 20 words, names, towns in England that I have mispronounced, and I'm going to attempt here

for you now to pronounce them correctly. I am hoping to get 50 to 60% of them right this time. It's a process. You know, I'm learning. But, okay, this is the one I've gotten the most feedback on. It's a hard G and Vangelis.

Big fans of Blade Runner, et cetera, are very angry at me. I pronounced it Vangelis. I had to go private on Twitter for several days. It was horrible. So it's not Vangelis. That's how I've been saying it. Okay.

It's actually Vangelis, actually. See, this is why this bit works so well that there is no right answer. It's just such a fluid. Okay. I don't even remember the context to this guy. I think DJ Shadow sampled him. He's from either Finland or

Sweden. I forget he's like a Prague rock dude and I just assume that I miss. It's Peha pohula, I think. That is as close as I'm going to get to that. Okay. Fantastic. This is the worst one. I'm actually relieved to get this one out of the way. During the offspring episode while discussing an early member of the offspring who became one of these types of doctors, While recording the episode, I said that he was an objinn. Objin. Objin. In my defense...

He has three children. It is shorter. I have three children. Two of them are here. The third is asleep in the hotel. I have three children. All delivered by Objans. That's correct.

I have heard this word. I have met many of these people. Objin is shorter to say. Ob-G-Y-N is the correct way. to pronounce that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's horrible. I'm so glad that one's out of the way. This is a band from whales, I think. Sorry, is that right? Yeah. I got it. Okay. Super furry animals adjacent. That's right. Yeah, but that's easier to pronounce it. People were very angry. I think it's gorky-zygotic monkey, right? I don't even know if that's correct. I said mincy, and that was wrong.

That's all I know. The same people I think who were mad about evangelist or vangelis or whatever it is. We're also mad about those people. It's fine. This is the other worst one. The first time that the three of us drafted together was, of course, on the internet. And unfortunately, we attempted to mansplain to Yasi the incorrect pronunciation of this. You don't understand.

You guys. I was like, yeah, incesticide. And they were like, that's not how you say. It's insecticide. And I was like, oh. And then I was like, so like, I was like, is it? Have I been saying it wrong? I'm pretty, okay.

If you guys are right, and then afterwards, I looked it up and I was like, Motherfuckers. I'm going to take the hell on this one. You were so sure, with your whole chest, we did. We were very, in secticide. We were very agro about it. This was my bad, and I have to be better, and Rob was just being a G, and I was like, no way,

it's insecticide, and he just was like, sounds right. I'm sorry about that. That's on me. Okay, Chris took the fall for that. That's fantastic. This is a town in England, I think. I think this is where Depeche Mode is from. people were very angry.

It's Basilden. Basilden. That's easy. I think I said Basilden. I said it in the most Ohio way. Oh, Christ. This is like the word, it's like a French-Canadian word for corny, and this is the word that people called Celine Dion early in her career. When she was still a teenager, and it's, I,

Catan, that can't be right. It's got to be way weirder than that. Unfortunately, I'm going to pass on. that one. I don't know what I pronounced that. There's no chance. This is Trisha Yearwood's hometown, which I decided Monticello, Georgia, and people were like, that is very wrong, that's terrible. Don't say the name of it again, and I haven't until just now.

Also, isn't that, like, Thomas Jefferson's house? It's been a word that you've probably learned since you were in the first grade. Yes, thank you. That's very helpful, Yassi. I appreciate, yes, I should know that one, but I'm still not clear on this one. Skife, it's not skythe, it's sithe. Seith. Seith?

Seith. That was easy. See how easy that was? Okay. This is too long. This word is too long. You almost couldn't write it on the cardist, so it's veris militude. How did you say? I think I said versmilitude in all seriousness.

That's terrible. Somebody tweeted this name at me and just said, Harvilla, this SMH. that's all they tweeted to me. It's Jean-Shaping, Sweden. That's probably not right.

I don't think so. That's where the cardigans are from. That's not right? No, what did the umlauts do to that? It's confounding. Daniel Eck is going to fire you. I work, yes, that's right. That's right.

I've never been proud of her to work for a Swedish company. What did you say? I pretended like she was born in Monticello, Georgia. I said Wynona. Okay. Like she was one of the Judds. She is, it's Winona. It's just Winona.

It's very simple. Very simple. I'm sorry. Oh, this poor guy. This was very early. I said Mutt Lange repeatedly. It is Mutt Lang. The E is extraneous.

He cheated on Shania Twain, but he also produced deaf leopards hysteria. I should give him more respect than I do. Mutt Lang. Sorry about that. This, I had no idea that this was such a

hallowed institution that it's just ridiculous it's jamba it is not jamba juice I think that's a better name you also argued with me about this one I mansplained this to you as well no it's jamba and I was like not in any other city I've ever been

I did try and blame this on Ohio and then people from Ohio started tweeting me being like leave us out of this so many messages they were like I just want you to know I'm from Ohio and that we don't say that so don't mess us us in with that. This might be the second worst one after Abjin. Okay. I think this was just in advance, my editor was concerned that I was going to mispronounce it. It's legume. Legume is the

English, is the proper way to say. I got that one right. Oh, no. I called her Tanya Tucker repeatedly. It is Tanya Tucker because she is actually, yeah, okay. After the Jamba Juice thing. That's right. Yeah. See, I have very strong feelings about this. I pronounce this word the way Bugs Bunny pronounces it. The cartoon where he's a Matador where he like tunnels into the bullfight and he asks, and the Matador is running by, he's like, can you tell me the way to get to the Coachella Valley?

That's the way I say this word Coichella, and I know it's wrong. It's been a festival for over two decades. You're a music journalist. I wrote 8,000 words. I wrote 8,000 words once about the first Coachella, and I am still going to pronounce it. that because that's what Bugs Bunny did. That's how strong I feel. This is always screwed. Yeah, it's not detritus, right? It's detritus, detritus. That's easy. See?

Ooh, this is another one of those English-towned. Bournemouth. Did I really say Bournemouth? I really hope I didn't. That doesn't sound like me at all. I probably did that right. Glastonbury, did I mispronounce this? I don't know why I wrote that down, but I think I got down I'm going to write too. Okay. Is this the last one? Thank God. I put an N in this word for no particular. I said municipal. And my dad, who is in the crowd tonight, took me to see a Brown's game at Cleveland Municipal Stadium. I watched a guy drink whiskey out of a chocolate syrup bottle. And I was like, there was like a distance between the bottle and his face. I remember the arc of the liquid going into his mouth. It was freezing. It was awesome. I'm sorry that I'm as pronounce that word as municipal. All right, we survived that. Thank you very much, Jossi.

So sorry that I completely derailed the draft by forgetting to do it. That's fine. That's fine. Okay. I thought that went really well. I have to look inside and I think I mispronounce like half of those words myself. Okay, thank you. I mispronounce words every third one on the show. I'm like,

and what? Go tell it to a wall. I don't care. So I was going to say maybe since Robb's book, 60 songs that explain the 90s. but there's more than that. It's out this week, and you should all please purchase this at your favorite book

depository. That was not a jam for joke. Sorry. Quite an image. You should get first pick. You should get first pick because you're the visitor. He's already going to win. Well, that's the thing is I think we all have very different.

I get so competitive, right? I get so competitive, right? We didn't even start yet. I think we are very different. Why should Rob get the first? We have different kind of visions of the 90s. No, you're right, you're right. And so we'll probably come up with some pretty different collections of songs.

Again, I can probably start with the only one that you might even conceivably pick instead. Okay. I'm going to do music video. Okay. And I am going to pick Missy Elliott's The Rain, Superdames. I think I've been living in the 90s. spiritually for like three years now, and I think the more time I spend there, the more

missy in the blow-up black suit in the hype Williams video is the image of the 90s. Like that's the best case scenario for the future that the 90s imagined for me. I think it was Clover Hope's book on female rappers she talks about is the June Ambrose suit and they had to blow it up. They went to a gas station next door to the studio in Queens and they used the air hose that you use on your tires and they had to manually inflate. Missy's suit. And I just love that image of her walking off a soundstage where she's about to be a superstar and walking into a shell station, you know, next to people filling up their cars and blowing

up the suit and walking back and, you know, changing the course of music history. I just, I love the fact of an alien just walking among us just for a few seconds there. I think there are some musicians, artists who are ahead of their time, like nine inch nails. It was what if like Depeche mode, but you could like pump iron to it? And everyone was like, that's a great. great idea. And then bands sort of caught up to that idea. And within three years, we had stabbing westward and gravity

kills and all these bands that I loved when I was 18 who were just ripping off nine-inch nails. But I think Missy Elliott was ahead of her time and her time still has not arrived. You know, like beyond her own career, there's just nobody like her, nobody doing anything like what she does. And so I

just think that she seemed like the future in 1997. And it's amazing to me that she still seems like the future in 2023. It's amazing that you made up for your mispronism in misproncing Obgen and Jomba Juice, which by the way, that I know that that's misogynism.

That's... Because Jomba juice is for girls. Is that... Okay. All right. I'll take your... But you're forgiven now. Where to go. That's a great choice. You should go second. Yes.

Wow. Magnanimous. Well, I also get... Sheivalrous. We're still trying to make up... I get to turn so I get to do too. You guys are still sad about insecticide. You're still trying to make a... mens culturally.

Okay. Great. I will go. You guys, I'm going to do something fucking crazy. I'm going to do rock song. That's great. And I'm doing

a mosquito. My libido. Nirvana smells like teen spirit, bitch. That's right. Yeah, you thought I wouldn't. I thought you would. I'm sorry.

I don't know if it's insane to draft this, but this was like the most, I really thought about it, And I was like this was the most radicalizing rock song of my, like, youth, I think, in every way. Not just mine, obviously, everyone's. But like, I put it on again and I was watching the video and it still hits so hard. I listened to it today. It still fucking goes.

Still fucking goes. Did it ever not go for you? Did you ever have years where you're like, I can't listen to this? Because I listen to it, like, every day for like, you know, six years or something, like on repeat. But yeah, I mean, there was a while where it kind of like faded out. And, like, you've heard me talk about this. I think the Nirvana songs is upon us. It's happening.

Do you get mad when you see children now wearing the Nirvana shirts? They bought it Target. Do you want to, like, confront them and be like, name three songs. Do you get mad, Rob? No, not at all. I only get mad if, like, the shirt is ugly. Okay, so it's more of a fashion issue. Yeah.

Like, that's fine. Buy your normal. Get that money, Courtney. Like, you know, it's fine. David Roll, like, cash the checks. Like, whatever. But no, I just, I think it's weird to say this. And I just, I think you can't overestimate the impact of this song.

It's impossible. This is the part where I wanted to read a passage from your book, if you'll allow me. Oh, God. Okay. I'm so sorry with this. Most of Rob's book, I was like laughing alone, like an absolute like lunatic by myself and my bed. Just like, ha ha. But this part, I cried.

Yeah, I really fucking felt it in my bones. Okay. So Rob's like to set it up. He's talking about the Nirvana Unplugged, which obviously came out like six months after Kurt died. And he's specifically talking about the end of the song, Where Did You Sleep Last, or Where Did You Sleep Tonight? Where Did You Sleep Tonight?

Where did you sleep last night? I'm afraid to give you any cues. I know, I know. Where did you sleep last night? And it's the last song on MTV Unplugged. And he's talking about where he delivers the last line. I'll shiver the whole night through. So he says, we have to stop.

We have to stop at the hole. He can't ever take the breath. If he takes the breath, the song keeps going, and the song ends, and the CD ends, and we leave the room. And everyone keeps getting older all the time. And we're older now, too. And then suddenly we're on the school bus at the corner of East Union and North Harmony, right in front of our old junior high, when the radio tells us that he's gone. What do you mean he's already gone by the time the unplugged CD comes out before he shuts us all up, before he takes the breath, before he keeps going after he takes the breath? No, fuck no. He never takes the breath. We never leave the room. Nobody gets older. Nobody dies.

Like my arm hair is standing up. I'm serious. It was, that really, it was such a beautiful, it's exactly, you really nailed the sentiment of how important. I don't know about to you guys, but to me it was like my whole world crumbled, you know, and it brought it real back. So, yeah, that's my pick. Thank you. Not to John Caramonica, but my pick is how I felt when I read it. that paragraph about Smells Like Teen Spirit that Rob wrote in his book. I have nothing that matches the emotional content of what you just did.

So for rap song, and I think when Jesse plays this, it'll be pretty self-explanatory. I'm going to take Bob Deep shook ones. Yes. So, I guess from like most of the first half of the 90s, like this was pretty much

rap is pretty much all I listened to. And Mob Deep, I remember just, like, sounded incredibly resonant and real and palpable to me, but also felt, like, very far away and almost, like, otherworldly. There's something about, like, the way that the drum break plays at the beginning of the song that sounds like it's happening in the bottom of a stairwell. And these guys just have, like, the quality of havoc and prodigies voices were just so fucking, like, mesmerizing to me. were so flat, but they were so knowing and they were so, like, there was so much, like,

life in these young voices. And I just, I never, ever left this song behind. Like, I still, I still will play this, like, like, like, once or twice a month, like, just, just to feel something. Just sort of pump yourself up. Yeah, I mean, like, it's one of those things that just doesn't feel like a time capsule at all. It just feels like it came out yesterday. Even though, like, I don't know how much, like, gets made that sounds like this anymore. I mean, like, there's, like the Griselda stuff. Right, right. But there's not, like, there's something about the break

and the way that it comes in with the guitar that I just have always just like, I'll listen to the first 30 seconds of this just right now. I really love that we didn't know what the sample was for like a couple decades. And then somebody on the internet finally figured it out. And I was sort of torn between it's cool that we know, but it's cooler that we didn't know for so long.

There was also like this period in the early 2000s where there was a lot of CD compilations that were all the samples of like a lot of East Coast hip-hop and it would always be like oh my god this is the thing from cream and then you're just like oh right well like now i'm going to listen to like four more minutes of this but it was it was that happened in my workout class the other day i was like oh here it is like mace be the one that'll pay for your phone and it was not that it was the whatever the song was from the same and i was like oops you're what class what class what oh do you know that i work out i will i lift

weights yeah i'm i am aware of training and conditioning okay every morning at 8 a ms did you say warcraft class that's what i work out oh Oh, okay. Never mind. Never mind. Jamba juice. Excuse me. Okay.

That's, that segment is over. So yeah, Bob Deep Shook Ones part two off of infamous from a rap song. And then, yeah, so just so you guys know, the way the draft works is it goes into snake. So Chris gets to pick again. Yeah, I do. Anyone who's done a Yahoo fantasy online draft, no as well. That's right. Also, if you're not a man.

Here, let me explain it to you real quick. Sorry, I didn't. I'm born with that knowledge. My mother is here. You know, I'm just trying to be, okay. I feel like I want to do pop song. Okay. And I will go with

common people by Pult. Controversh, babe. That's pop. Controvers. So let's talk it out. Let's talk about this. Yes. I'm a little, not that I'm like pulling a flag.

Is that a sports reference? Totally. You're just throwing the flag. Yeah. I'm not to call it jambages, honey, but what I, I'm just, I think most objins would disprove. Oh, go ahead, yeah. I regret doing that bit so much.

It went better than I thought it would, but its resonance in the rest of the draft is very upsetting to me. So a pop song. Pop song, right? Do you think it's a rock song? I can, I went back and forth between rock and pop. So I just define it with the primacy of guitars. That'll just be the way that I'll say, I guess you could say, I don't

I think the guitar is like the primary mainstream on this. That's your taxonomy for... I have to... The guy has to have a code, you know? Sure. Live by the code, die by the code. What would your definition of a pop song? Is it only based on its charting? I would just... I mean... Because this was a fucking smash, baby? Was it? It was a big hit in the UK.

Oh my guys over there. It was a big hit. Dot, dot, dot. In the UK. I think it crossed over too. It blew up like early aughts, Don Hills. I just... Girls were going crazy. for the song. Don't you dare invoke early aughts,

Don Hills, in front of my face right now on this here stage, okay? I feel like I should leave it. Not today's safe. Okay, but I just think that honestly also like Jarvis Cocker's performance and this is central, which is usually what I think of like, if the vocalist is like the thing that's highest in the mix and the most up front.

Interesting. So there's a couple, it's funny that you should have a problem with this because... I don't have a problem per se. It seems like you have a problem. You're asking you to defend your choice. Yeah. I think that.

this is a pop song. Just like light audience support for me. Do you think that common people is a pop song? That's actually not as much support. That was light. That was, that was charted in the UK. You guys can't hear it, but in Glasgow, they're like, fucking A, right, mom. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot. I'll allow it. I'm just saying. Great pick, man. Great pick. Unanimous. Thank you. And, I'll hear the cockroaches on the wall.

Maybe like honestly the best set of lyrics in a pop song. Yeah, pop songs. I agree. Just drag that bitch to hell. So, yeah, I come out of this with Bob Deep and rap song and away and, and, uh, comic people. Wow. And then you went in, my head was, in Jarvis Cocker's face, you called him Oasis.

No. That man, slaved for years to get to where he is, to not be OASIS. Um, okay. Goes back to you now. Goes back to you. I'm going to do rap song. I'm going to do, much like Chris, because when you asked me backstage, what's my strategy?

Like, if I was going to be a little bitch, I would have been like, surely I'm going to pick rap song first and take Mob Deeptich ones, part two. But with my actual growing up, I did not know about that song until much later. But this song, my delusional 10-year-old little white girl ass did have the Kisingle, babe, and I was feeling it. Like, I was like, yes, it me.

And it was Dr. Dre, nothing but a j-thing. I was like, give me the microphone first so I can bust like a bubble. That was me, like 10 years old, just like Compton and Long Beach together. You know, like, so like fully wearing my t-shirt that had bugs and taz dressed as Chris Cross. You know what I'm talking about? Did you guys have that t-shirt? I did. It was so sick.

My parents being immigrants would not buy me the real one. So there's Santi Alley. they would sell five t-shirts for like $10, and I got to get that one from the... It fell apart. Do you still have it? I wish. Is that your most 90s object?

Because that's a really good candidate. Literally, Bugs and Taz dressed as Chris Cross. That's beautiful. I was so cool. You were. It sounds like it. Stozy shorts and Vans.

Stushy is how that's pronounced. Yes. Jamba. Do you think the Bugs and Taz shirt is just, what's the limit on D-Pop for that right now? Oh, that's got to be like five, six hundred bones, babe. That is a collector's item. But yeah, I would, the video, Snoop Dog,

I'm just everything about this song is so, and it's like, this is, okay, not my culture per se, you know, but it was adjacent next door. I grew up in Torrance, it's nearby, you know. That's where Den of Fees are set, so that's good. That's what? Dead of Thieves is set in Torrance. Oh, thank you for that.

My basketball team in high school did play Compton in high school, so again, we had some comings and goings with Morningside High. Were you still, were you the center at that point? Were you still playing? I was, what's four? Power forward? Power forward. I had stopped being tall enough to be the center and was now expected to do some ball handling,

which I was suffering badly at. Okay. Yeah. Did you beat Compton? Absolutely not, baby. You know that very famous. That's not shocking. I don't know, I know like six things about sports,

but you know that very famous game where Lisa Leslie scored like 101 points in one half? Were you playing in that game? No, but that was against my high school. Okay. I'm a little bit younger than her babe. Thanks so much. I couldn't do the math that fast. But anyways, yes, that's my pick rap song, nothing but a G-y thing.

So you're picking largely from, like, who you were at the time rather than the rear-view mirror, like, what you think now. Or is that still your number one rap song of the decade? I mean, I know it's, like, cool music critic to be, like, shook ones, which is a great song. But I still think this is one of the best rap songs of all time. That's right. I mean,

I won't see. West Coast bias from this crowd right now. Did I a little bit want on draft tag team, Womthera it is? If I was being really honest. Is that a pop song? I can see that with a pop song. Yeah, maybe.

I mean, in my definition it would be. I think the vocal performance is right. The guitars are not as prominent. There it is. Yeah. The Albini mix of it is different, you know, if you're right. I think you're really disrespecting

D.C. the Brain Supreme and his rapping on this one. It's not fair. you also get to do a wump there it is a date. I'm sorry. You know I always do this though. This is my strategy. It's to like work in as many bits as possible. Okay, Rob, it's your turn. Okay, nobody is going to pick any of mine from this point forward and that's very liberating for me. You think so? I hope so. Jesus, I didn't prepare if somebody does take one of mine. You only picked one per category in your mind? I think so, yes. I'm pretty confident in this being

random and insane. Okay. Well, I guess you've spent the most amount of time with these songs. That's true. Chris and I did this yesterday. That's, yeah. I'm going to pick rock song.

My Spotify rapped from 2022, my most played song was a tool song. I'm not going to tell you the title of that song. My mother is here. My children are here.

Three generations of my family, including me, are here. I'm not saying the name of that song. But I am going to say the name Stinkfist. My rock song is Sting. Such a complicated man.

What I didn't anticipate is how ridiculous I would feel with that song playing in a room full of 300 people while I sat in a chair and they watched me. You know what it's giving? Like, remember the guy in office space where he's like driving to work and listening to that like hardcore rap song? Like you and the hoodie and the jeans and the trainers like within this is my fucking song, bitch. Yeah, we're back in the charting in the UK. Okay, okay. I can't confirm that this song sounds amazing playing in a minivan going to curbside pickup and Target. This is my song.

This is my me time. This is dad's little reverie. I'm picking up diapers or wipes. Maybe getting Starbucks, you know, if I want to treat myself. But I sit in the curbside lane with the windows rolled up and there are Target employees like servicing the other cars. And I am blasting stink fist by tour. and I feel invincible. It is very strange to me

that this is the 90s band that I listen to the most for like pleasure in 2023. I cannot explain that. It is the most sophomoric and yet profound music that I listened to when I was 16 and it only speaks to me more profoundly

now that I am the age that I am. Do you think your wife, Nicole, knew this before now, or now she knows it and then we're going to have like a talk about it later. We're going to discuss this in the green room after the show. She's going to call something.

Do you guys share a Spotify account? So does she see your listening history? She does not see that, but my boys, my children, destroy my Spotify rap every year. I had a Kirby year, Kirby the Nintendo character. There was Kirby music. There was a game called Friday Night Funkin, where they were obsessed with that.

And so that was my, there was a Sandra Boynton year when they were younger, like just kids' music. And so it's like, so it's like, so it's a bunch of kids music and then at the top a tool song which again I will not say the name of it's the most amazing and deranged Spotify rapped in the history of this company

and I'm so proud. C.R., does yours get affected by your job? You're a Spotify rap Just like, do they come and tinker with it? You mean from Sweden? No, but like me and Rob, for example, I have to imagine, like my rap doesn't make any sense because it's just like whatever episodes of Bansplan I did that year. They're like, oh, you're

the top listener of Incubis and I'm like, well, that wasn't, like on purpose per se. You did not enjoy that episode at all. I love Inchubis, but I mean, once again, two good albums. Four that I should get hazard pay for having to listen to. My wife and I shared a Spotify account for several years, and then we needed to have a conscious unpoppling of that.

Just because of rap. No, just because she would be like, I'm using it and I'd be like, I actually need it to listen to, you know, the ringer after NFL show or something. And she would be like, no, I'm listening to Kesha. Yeah. Or whatever. You know, and so we decided to go our separate ways. I will tell you, before I did bandsplains,

there's no excuse for this when they did this decade rap. Do you remember that? It was like 2020 maybe? 2020, I don't remember. Anyways, they're like, this is your whole decade route. This is the song you've listened to the most in a decade. And I was like, ooh, what could it be? You know what it was?

Call me maybe. And I was like, oh my God, did they alert the authorities right when they got this information? Are they coming to my home to put me in a straight jacket and take me away where I belong because what the fuck is wrong with me? Do you listen to that while you're working out? Is that a Warcraft type activity? I think there was like a period of time

where I was like, I had a morning playlist that only had like four songs on it. They were all call me maybe. No, it was like blues traveler. You know, give me a little round around that one and if I can call me maybe and just every day, I would call it a little call me maybe as a treat

every day, it really adds up in the end. That's neither here nor there. Did you ever have a period of time where you stepped away from Tool? Or has Tool been a constant in your life? Because I don't feel like when I met you in the early 2000s, I don't feel like Rob. I didn't strike you as a tool guy.

Or I'd like accidentally walk into your office at the Village Voice and Tool was playing. I would not play that in public. Surrounded by coworkers. No, I was actually playing Kesha now that I think about it. I think I did get into them more recently. Maybe it was the pandemic, right? When I was suddenly like, we all went to dark places.

Exactly. So there's a couple different ways I can go. And for me, it was Tool. I got into puzzles. Very cool. Rob, you actually, so you did rock song for, you did Tool. I did Rock Song for Tool. And it's me.

A song to be named later. And now you get to go again. Okay. I'm going to do rap songs. and I'm going to do I Got Five on it. Oh, very good. I have had one successful marijuana experience in my entire life. I have tried a few times that I'm impervious to it,

but my wife and I were at the hardly strictly bluegrass festival, watching Gillian Welch cover girls just want to have fun. Yeah, that seems more appropriate for your vibe. Thank you. I'm aware of that. I am aware of that. And I looked over into the tree. and a man emerged from the mist with like a tray of marijuana chocolates of truffles.

A tray? Yeah, it's like he had like the thing with like. Oh, like take me out to the cracker jacks like that. Yes. That's like a vendor, like a stadium vendor. And he threw me a chocolate truffle and I ate it and I was like, this didn't do anything. And so I ate another one. And my wife did the same.

And I don't remember how we got home. But I got home and I put a jazz CD in my laptop. I put a Lester Young CD in my laptop. Does your laptop have a CD? This was in like 2004. So it had a CD. And I put it on the coffee table next to the couch. And I laid on the couch with a laptop playing jazz next to my head.

It's a little on the nose. And I would not speak to my wife for several hours. But it was probably actually like 22 minutes. Yeah, probably. Yeah, time had collapsed at that point. I have not had much successful marijuana experiences. but I lived in the Bay Area in the mid-2000s, and I would drive around listening to KMEL,

rap radio, and I would just be astounded that I got to hear Looney's E-40, Mac Dre, you know, and I'm like, I'm a guy from Ohio. I'm from Jamba Juice country, right? And so it's not like, oh, this is my music now. Like, I'm not from Oakland. I'm not of Oakland. Like, I always had this very healthy sense of, like,

I still can't get too close to this music, but just even that proximity. I just, that's the most perfect time in my life when like where I was physically and what I was listening to just seemed to be in such a beautiful harmony. And like the few times I've gone back to the bay now, I get out of the airport, I turn on KMEL

and it's like my soul just lifts up into the sky. It's just a rad feeling. That's a beautiful story about the power of California. Listening to rap music, unlike myself, it was like, I am from Compton, actually. These are my people. I'm 10. This is

this is who I am. It's Yossi's term. Oh, it's me. Okay. I'm not going to do that one, but really it was in my head when I was thinking about it. I miss my uncle Charles, y'all.

I'm going to do should I do music video? Okay. Listen, it's Guns and Rose is November rain. This one I didn't go I think it was like spiritually speaks to me but like maybe not as much as another one and the thing but like in the end

I like watched them all today and I was like can't fucking top it you can't what is it there at the rainbow room there's a wedding there's a funeral there's a guitar solo in front of the church do you know that apparently slash that scene where he just like walks out of the church was not planned like he was just leaving to go he just left he was leaving to go sick

and they just happened to film it and then the guy was like it would be amazing because now we can have place where he went and that place will be New Mexico. They literally flew to New Mexico so this insane ranch to film that which is by the way it's for sale which I couldn't get a price on it. How much?

It's called the Silver Auto. Tom Ford owns it if you guys want to if you guys want to buy it from him. Also ever since then I really wanted a short wedding dress she looked so cool but did she did did he murder her? I have so many questions. There's a lot of unanswered questions opened up by November rain.

Is it Stephanie Seymour? Stephanie Seymour. Yeah. Right. And there's a dolphin. That's a, in the trilogy, babe. That's a strange.

These are all based on Del James like short stories that no one could find because they were not published. And they don't make any sense. The guy jumping in the wedding. It's raining. Have you ever hung out with him?

Every time I mentioned someone, you're like, oh, I've hung out with him. The guy that jumped in the wedding cake. No. But I did hang out with Ricky Rackman, who's also in the video. Yeah. Apparently, I loved this tid.

So the guy jumping in the wedding cake was not planned. Oh. And, yeah. And of course, the director, being of sane mind, did not include that in the cut. And then Axel was like, where's the guy jumping in the wedding cake? I'm going to put that shit back in. She was sick.

And the guy was like, oh, okay, it doesn't really make sense. Okay. It just started raining. The guy was like, no. That's what didn't make sense. Right? I'm like, it's so, there's a gun. It's just like, it's everything that a nine minute music video should be.

Yeah. That costs 1.5 minutes. million dollars. I love it. That's it. Where can you go from there? That was always a tough music video to be like, hold on, mom, I just want to see the end of November I mean. Yeah.

Because usually you could just be like 45 seconds. But it was just like, no, no, no. This is the first guitar solo. There's seven minutes to go here. Okay. Just fucking fabulous. I'm going to keep the music videos train rolling. Okay. Okay. And I'm also going to keep the the relations across the pond going.

And I'm going to go with Bitter Sweet Symphony Verve for music videos. First of all, just a quick tidbit. A little anecdote about this. I've never been to Glastonbury, but I do watch YouTube videos of Glastonbury a lot. Same thing. Normal.

They reunited in 2008, and it must be pretty sick to know like no matter at what point in human history, you and your boys can get together and play Glastonbury and played this song. And people lose their minds. And he barely sings it. He just stands at the stage and goes like... With the cheekbones.

Yeah. And fucking sings Better Sweet Symphony like every other line. And people are just on ecstasy crying and waving flags. Like I wish I had that kind of pull. Do you think it was dulled that joy was dulled a bit by the fact that they didn't make like one single dollar off of it for like 50 years or whatever. Because the Rolling Stones were like, you tried it, bitch.

That's not happening. That's our money. You tried it. You tried it, comma, bitch. I feel like it all comes out in the wash. You know, like, yeah, because they had so many other hits that they're doing this time. This video is essentially just Richard Ashcroft,

walking down a London street. He almost gets hit by a cabriolet Volkswagen, which was a car that I kind of dug in the 90s. Sure. And then a rollerblader almost hits him. And then the rest of the video is essentially him knocking into many old women, which I had forgotten, like older women who are doing their shopping.

And he's just like fucking shoulder checks them. It's awesome. And then like a bunch of guys who work at a garage are kind of like, hey, none of that around here. And then the rest of the verb shows up and they just walk away. You know what it's like? It's like a Mentos commercial. Isn't it?

It has the energy of a Mentos commercial. It rolls on the bench. and stripes. I definitely thought it was the coolest thing I had ever seen in 1997 or whenever I dropped. It was just like, and I also really liked, he had like a very,

like, soft leather jacket with denim underneath. That was a lot of textures. Great style of that, man. Yeah, so I really loved, I love that video.

So I'll go with that for music video. Damn. You're really, you're really digging deep here and I appreciate it. I'm, well, I'm just looking at Melody Maker. And that's all right.

Okay, so I have rap song. I have pop song and I have music video. Gosh. For rock song. Yeah. I'm going to do Temple of the Dog Hunger Strike. Yes.

I'm going hungry. I think I was too much of a purist at the time to really appreciate this. You know what I mean? Like supergroups weren't really my thing. I didn't really understand the message. I didn't know the like biographical information into the song. This one still goes so hard. It goes so hard.

It's a great karaoke song. Like the two vocal, yeah, exactly. You and Andy should do this karaoke. We should change this to the watch theme music

but it's me and Andy to see me at each other. Every Monday and Thursday at 10 a and we have to sing this song. Which part would you want to do? Would you want to, you could do Chris Cornell.

I think I could. I think I could. I think I could nail it. Yeah, so this is just one of those songs that like I had no appreciation for at the time of its release and it's only grown in my estimation since then.

Do you remember the video? They're like in a field. Yes. One of the worst. videos of all time. There's so hot. There's a lot of slow dissolves between the two of them.

Yeah, it's just them being so hot. That's all. It doesn't matter. You're just standing in a field being hot. Like physically hot. Like gorgeous. It's like beautiful. No, it was overcast.

Yeah. So much hair. Just like shampoo commercial level hair. Just glistening. And they're all wearing shorts. What would the hunger strike of today be? Like what would be like the two people coming together to sing a song that would just blow your mind?

Is that okay? I don't know why the only thing that came in my mind, which is not at all where you're asking, is Fallout Boy redoing, fucking. We didn't start the fire. And I'm so sorry to invoke that right now. I don't know where it came from. That was amazing. Carly Ray Jepson and Kesha, I think, is the answer. That's a great answer.

There you go. Yeah. I don't know. My version is probably Tom DeLong and Tim Armstrong on the Boxcar Racer album doing cat-like thief because that's really, my temple of the dog. Okay. Also two gorgeous men. So those are my picks, music video

and rock song. What? Oh, just with your turn. With my turn. So now that's back to you. To me? Yeah. Oh. Unexpected. I haven't done pop song. I'm going to do gin blossoms. Hey, jealousy. See, by my

standards, while this is, of course, arguably a guitar forward song or whatever you were saying. this was on pop radio. Sure. It crossed over. It crossed over from rock radio to pop radio.

What did you call it, Rob, like grunge counter programming? Yes, yes. Yeah, it was definitely grunge counter programming. But to me, this, to me, you are perfect. Hey, jealousy. To me, you were perfect. It is just, what, show me something wrong with the song. There's nothing.

It's perfect. Perfect song, and I thought about taking it, but then remember that you went and saw the gym blossoms, within the last 12 months, right? That's correct. Yeah, so I would feel weird taking that from me. The drummer did give me a signed drum. Is it a small pen?

How did you do that? I think it's like a signature model, so perhaps it comes printed with this. But he like was excited to present me with it. And I was like, okay, I think we've had a misunderstanding about what level of fan I am. But thank you. Sorry if you're here tonight, sir.

This was also my friend of the pod, Bethany, we went to San Juan Capistrano to catch this hot show. It was like a dinner theater. And absolutely both had like five vodkas, which I never really drink anymore. So we were just hammered. And we were like going to call an Uber. And then there's just like fun Orange County mom who was arguably also hammered. I was like, I'll give you girls a ride.

Get in. And we were like, okay. And then Bethany was like, will you take us to Del Taco? And she was like, yes. And she took us and she paid for him. Best night of my fucking life. In Orange County? Did she drive you back to the, like... No, we were staying at a hotel, like, down the road in San Juan Capistrano, and the Del Tocco was on the way.

Best night of my life. Anyways. Jen Blossoms. Hey, jealousy is my pick for pop song. Travel around this town. I think you just won the draft with that story. That's amazing. I don't know how to work the crowd, Ben.

So when you... That guy gave you the drumstick, do you think you were like, actually, sir, like, I think of this is more of a pop group? Yeah, yeah, I had a quick talk. No, he listened to the episode, the Jim Blossom's Spans play an episode we did. He's not an original member, so perhaps he's far enough removed from the drums and the goss and the tea that it didn't bother him.

Yeah. It's a harrowing story. It is an extremely heroin song. For such like a confection level, like pop rock band, like the story is absolutely just rinsches your heart out. Yeah. They need to do one of those like made-for-TV movies about it. Like a behind the music or something?

About your trip to Del Taco? That's a movie I actually want to see. With Cat Von Sanchez, who I still follow on Instagram from that night. Thank you, Cat Von Sanchez. That's the name of the Orange County Mom who drove us. Cat Von Sanchez? Cat Von Sanchez? Are we allowed to, like, docks people on the pie?

I remember. Well, we just did. We're allowed to do that. I just wanted to know how grateful I am for the Del Taco. I think I was sitting like in between two car seats. It was like a mild drive. So, Mom, Dad, if you're listening, would you're not? you've never once heard one bar of this podcast,

but I'm so sorry. I can't believe that's not your personal residence. That is my item of personal residence. Yes. Okay, that's it. I don't go twice now, do I? No, Rob gets to. Can I say how proud of us I am that we have not

had to play the playoff music once? Oh, yeah, we forgot to tell you guys. They don't not trust us. I mean, arguably, understandably, given the length of my podcast, to keep it tight. So they were like, if you talk for too long on one individual song, we're going to play the Creed with arms wide open.

Which is like, threatened me with a good time, bitch. Yeah, that's right. Go on fucking play it. I'll be stoked. I feel like I've jinxed myself now, and now I'm going to get played off by Creed. I have two picks now. Is that my understanding?

Okay. Are these your last two, Rob? Well, we have, what I have left is pop song, personal resonance, and 90s object. So you're going to come back around you. None of us have done personal resonance. Right. Okay.

Or artifact. Yeah, this has all been personal resonance. I am going to once again test the boundaries of the pop song category and say, salt and pepper's shoup is my bad. I think that counts. Here I go. Here I go. Here I go again.

What's my weakness, man? Bange. I should have pointed, right? I just, I screwed that up. I'm sorry. That's my fault. Girls, what's my weakness? Listen to tool.

Stingfist Jambajuze What's my weakness? Abjinn, yes. This one's really about my wife, actually. I remember being in junior high at the mythic after school

junior high gymnasium dance, right? And I was a wallflower, right? So I'm sort of crowded up right next to the bleachers and I'm watching everybody dance and it's like there's no way I could ever dance with anybody. And they would all be line dancing to push it. They would all do the dance.

I forget how it goes and I'm not going to do it now. But I was just terrified just of the entire social environment. But I've always loved salt and pepper. And I loved Shoup, you know, even at the time. But now this is the song that my wife sings as she's going around our kitchen in the morning as we're getting our kids

ready for school. She sort of wraps this song and I just sort of sit back. I'm like up against the refrigerator sort of watching her and it's just such a beautiful full circle moment for me that I went from like this timid kid to this timid adults that my mom ethered when my career began but somehow I still got married

and now I get to watch somebody sing choup in my kitchen every morning and it's a beautiful thing. That's really tender. We get it, you're married. Every day with this in my face. What's a cat von Sanjay?

I told me, I shouldn't keep saying the name of a civilian. We're absolutely going to, the lawyers are going to get involved. It's going to be bleeped. So it's, you get another pick. Okay, it's song of deep personal reverence.

I want to get the title back. Who created this category? It was probably me. I think it was you. The title gives, it's giving you. It is giving me. I'm going to go with they might be giant's particle man.

There you go. It's a particle can. What's he like? It's not important. Particle man. This was my Beatles on He's just, it's funny because it's true.

My cool Uncle Nick played this for me when I was maybe 12 years old. And I think he just kind of looked at me as like, I think you need to hear a particle man, but they might be giant. And he was absolutely right. Like this is my band. This is my mother's band, besides you two. But this is my mother's band. This is now

my kids' band as well. We play the kids' music around now. This is my wife's band. This is my brother-in-law, my sister-in-law's band. This is is my legacy, this band. I've seen them live probably 15, 20 times. You know, I've interviewed them and just, it's just been so intimidated that I couldn't even ask them a question, but this, I don't know what it was about this song specifically that spoke to me. I think the accordion helped. Like, I'm Slovak, you know, like, there's a picture of my grandpa playing an accordion

at a wedding and looking like tremendously pleased with himself, and I always loved that picture. And that's the vibe I got from Particle Man, apparently. I don't know how it works in my head. But this is the song that just I think showed me what my life was going to be like. And it's like 25 years later, you're going to be up on a stage telling people about the time that you heard this song when Uncle Nick played it for you when you were 12. And I was right. Is there someone in the audience who can like work Ableton and like make a mashup of Particle Man and Stinkfish for Rob? So he can like really like live. So it can be played in his funeral?

Yeah. Yes. Yes. You should do a Brian Eno installation where it's like StinkFist is playing on one side of this room and Particle Man is on the other. That's just my brain. Yeah. Becoming Rob. Yeah.

Awesome. All right. Yassie. It's really beautiful. Rob, can you recap briefly which songs you've picked so far? Okay. Yes. Music video was Missy Elliott, Super Dupa Fly.

Rock song was Tool. Stinkfish is a very cool choice. rap song was Looney's I got five on it. Pop song was Salt and Pepper Shoup and Deep personal reverence Resonance, excuse me.

It was your idea. Was Particle May, it was my idea. That's a very me phrase, unfortunately, yes, that's it. Okay. Gorge. I just want to remind everybody that when Rob first came on bands play and I gave him the option

to choose what artists he wanted to do and he talked for 10 minutes just now about they might be giants and he was like, I will do the dream. And then nobody ever listened to it. It is the least Listen to.

Popular podcast episode in world history. In world history, yeah. Well done. Here we are. Okay. I guess all I have left is also Song of Deep Personal Residence. Did you do Artifact?

No. I feel like we should all do that at the end. Okay. Right. Yeah. You guys, this is really hard for me. I want you to know this is a really hard choice. It's like a Sophie's choice situation. and I have to apologize to my...

You also cheated by telling four other anecdotes. I always cheat. You know that. I don't know why you're acting surprised. You also said common people was a pop song. So we're all playing by our own rules. Because of the sick guitar solo and common people? It was not charted in the UK. It was not played on pop radio. It's not a pop song. But again, I'll let you have it. I need to apologize sincerely to my king, David Matthews.

But it's not... It's not deep upset for David Matthews. I'm upset. I know. My song of deep personal resonance is doll parts by whole. While Nirvana obviously broke open the world for me, what I found in that world. Actually, in a trash can.

Isn't this the most insane story? I was literally, I was like, when does come on? 94? Yeah. So I was like 12 years old, and I'm just passing a trash can by the locker bay. And I look in and the fucking lived. through this CD is just sitting in the trash can. Unopened?

God dropped it there. I don't know what, like something about, no, I think it was opened. But it's like, I don't, I can't even explain what hearing whole for the first time. It was like seeing like Jesus's face in a piece of toast. Do you know what I mean? Like it was like. I know exactly what you're doing. Like for like me 12 years old just like so angry and so like ugly feelings and felt ugly looking and just like everything like.

And then to hear a woman be angry like that. And then also then see her at the same time be like glamorous but messy, but like just it was like all the things. Like it like my whole world changed that day. Like this is truly that I can't. The fact that this album existed is just I wouldn't be here. I'm like shaking. I really, I have so much.

So much respect for Courtney Love, I think the universes of being a woman that she holds within herself that are not perfect and that are controversial and don't fit into a nice bucket of feminism are the most relatable thing in the world. And trying to be some sort of like perfect presentation of a girl was so soul crushing. It just like it just opened things up. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. And the feminism has reentered my body, and it will now leave once again. That is, do I go twice now? No. I have to follow that.

I don't want to follow it either. That's the end of the draft. It's no they might be giant's Uncle Nick. Okay. All right. Okay. Jam, yeah, I get it. These stories have gotten increasingly tender.

My strategy was being sincere, babe. Before he did, they might be giants. I was like, I think I'm going to tell this story. and then I was like, maybe it's a bad idea. Now I think it's a terrible idea, but I'm going to do it anyway. So my song of Deep Personal Residence,

to stick with the picking songs from Rob's book is Cream by Wu Tang. It's casuals everything in money. But the reason I'm doing it is the umbrella Wu Tang clan from 93 to 98 pick of that's the only thing that was on. And here's a little piece of personal residence. When I graduated high school, I didn't really party very much.

this kid, Jeff, drank two 40s and went temporarily blind and I was just like, I'll designate drive at school, like, you know, like. Was it Edward Fortyham? That was such a bad game. I just think it was like, we just got too ahead of ourselves like Rob at the Gillian.

Defined temporary. How long was this person blind? Like 20 minutes? Yeah, that's fine. And it's like pussy. Pussy. Wasn't even a day? Who cares?

So after that, I led a pretty, chased and didn't really experience like party culture in high school too much. Went to school college. I went to Temple University for my freshman year in Philadelphia. Everybody kind of comes back for Thanksgiving. We had gone to this like Quaker school.

It was pretty chill. But there was something about the vibe of the parties around Thanksgiving in 95 once everybody came back from freshman year that was like pure safeties. It was just like all of a sudden guys in a house watching faces of death. Oh, sure. Smoking blunt.

And, like, I hadn't really smoked before it. And I think I took a hit off one, and I was like, pot. And they were like, it's not pot. I don't even know what it was, but I was just like, oh, shit. You don't know what it was or you don't want to tell us. I had a friend like that, yeah. Well, I mean... Because I have a story like this about crack.

It wasn't that. Someone wrapped it up, and it was like, you know, it had all the hallmarks of... PCP. ...of that. And just like the entire night, I remember spending listening to, honestly, liquid swords, but for the sake of the story, we'll say, we'll say, Wu-Teng Clan. And the entire night, we were listening to that. And at one point, some guy was like, well, let's go home or let's drive back to another part of Philadelphia. And I got in his car, and we got like two or three blocks,

I thought, and he was just like, wait a second, this is not my car. And I was like, but do you have the keys? Like, a lot of it is just really like, hit or miss in terms of like the, there's some plot holes. But, um, but, um, but, um, but, um, you know, but, um, you have, um, but, um, but, you have, Yeah, I mean, your story about Dallparts really inspired me to share this. Yeah, it's a different vibe. Yeah. For sure.

But I appreciate the... So 40 blindness and Angel Dust and Wu-Tang Clan. It's a shame there are no Del Tacos in Philadelphia. I know. In your story. Oh, perfect. Taking the stolen car. They blew up the chicken man, Rob. There's no Del tacos there.

So that's my personal residence. So I have rock song, rap song, pop song, music. video personal resonance. I'm down for artifact. For artifact. And just to keep it real corny, I thought I would do the CMJ New Music Monthly. The CD that used to be in CMJ

and then would also just litter CD stores, record stores in the 90s. And often, candidly, a lot of filler. But honestly felt like the arc of the covenant had been opened up every month because I was like, Lush is Jackson, remix. Got it, yes.

So there was always like, two or three songs. I was looking back at a couple from 96 that were actually like, there's like a Johnny Cash Rusty Cage, Luscious Jackson remix into, I think at like a space hog song or something like that.

In the meantime. Yeah, they used to really put together some incredible assemblage of music. So the CMJ CD used to get it in CMJ magazine. They just gave that shit away. It was great. We used to be a proper society. My artifact is the Columbia House music service or whatever that I personally defrauded and grifted out of just

thousands and thousands of dollars of CDs. How many physical CDs do you think you receive from easily 48? Okay. I at least did it four times. I thought you were going to say 200. No, but just like take like how did they allow this? And there was never any social security number exchange. Okay. Maybe I'm lying because I don't remember but how could they do that? How could they just let me tape a penny to a postcard right in 12 CDs that I wanted? Go ahead

and send me the box and then that was that. And then I put a different address and name. Handled it. Did you like go next door and be like I believe you have a package for me? Do you think, well it would be like different friends and stuff. Do you think I ruined my parents' credit? No, they would have told me. That's why they don't listen to this. I'm not going to this show.

They're like, actually, we don't want to hear you talk about Columbia house music anymore because we had to re-mortgage our home because of that. But yeah, what, again, we used to be a proper society, what a dream. Yeah, it's crazy that the big short happened. Yeah, I'm just giving that shit away. They're like,

CDs, the worthless. Take them. Who cares? We don't need them. I'm going to go, my object. What is this, the 90s object? The object of the Magi. The curse of the Magi. Spiritally 90s.

Spiritually 90s artifact. That would be my Pearl Jam Stickman T-shirt. Nice. Honestly, that was my armor. That was my superhero costume when I was in junior high. Do you still have it? I do not. Nor would I fit into it.

Me, I say now something controversial. One of the worst T-shirt designs of all time. You guys, do you not agree? Of all the cool T-shirt designs in the 90s, the Pearl Jam Stickman? No, this guy's giving me a thumbs up. He loved it. This is not a personal. this to you. Oh, no. You're taking it very

personally. You feel like, because he seemed wounded. My 90s object is my U-2 tour T-shirt from the Zoo TV tour. It's the face, the star, and the car. There you go. In the way, yes. Or the Green Day t-shirt. I went out with the Green Day concert at Blossom Music Center in September of 1994.

Yeah. That's right. I got the Duky T-shirt and I went to school the next day and literally everyone in high school was wearing that t-shirt. You'd be wealthy right now if you still had it. I would totally be. All of my money is tied up in T-shirts. Do you still have the Tasmanian devil t-shirt? Because that's the real.

It was Bugs and Tazia. It was disintegrated. It was from Santialli and it cost $2. Again, my parents were not buying me the real deal here. This was bootleg. Also, my dad would randomly always give me fake watches too. That's because he lost all his money to Columbia. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah. My cousin is here. I wonder if she ever got fake watches as all. So there you go. Hey, Michelle. My dad would just show up with these like weird immigrant shit. You guys want to understand. Just like, here's like three fake Gucci watches.

And I'm like, where did these come from? I'm 10. Like, I don't know. Let's review. Please. I'll go first. For rock song, I had Temple of the Dog. Hunger Strike for rap song.

Mob Deep Shook One's Part 2. For pop song. Pulp Common People. for music video, another huge band out of the United Kingdom, for Pitter's Weep Symphony, for Spiritually 90s Artifact,

the CMJ New Music Monthly, and for Song of Deep Personal Residence, the collected works of early Woutang claim. I can't believe no one picked under the bridge. I thought the dilemma was going to be between Dave Matthews band. I know. Rob, what did you pick?

Red Hot Chili Peppers. Rock song was Tule. rap song was loonies i got five on it pop song was uh salt and pepper schoop music video is missy elli at the rain deep personal resonance was they might be giant's particle man and 90s object is my t-shirt collection um thank you i did not win this but thank you i think you that you won rock song for me smells like teen spirit by nirvana pop song Hey Jealousy The Gin Blossoms Rap song

It was something Dr. Dre and Snoop Dog Nothing but a G thing What is left? Music video November rain Guns and Roses Item

Or Song of Deep Personal Resonance Whole Doll Parts and Spiritually 90s Object The Columbia House Music Subscription Service I feeling I know who won.

I think we figured out who won. We were going to do that. What did I say? When you speak from your heart. Yeah. When you are tender and in touch. So when you don't draft pulp common people as the pop song. Because it charted in the UK.

No one's ever been like, oh my God, this song rocks. They're like, this song is so pop. Pops. Yes. Yeah. What a melody. Yeah. Yeah, okay.

Rob, would you like to answer any questions? Do I want to answer? any questions. Q&A moment? How much, do we have time? We have like, producer Jesse? 15 minutes, 10 minutes?

Yeah, let's do it. Do you guys want, do you guys have, I already know the answer. You guys have questions. Also, quick shout out to Nicole, who made our beautiful cards. She just want to say she worked. Municipal.

Municipal. That's right. Objinn. That was her. So thank you, Nicole. So does anyone have any questions for Robber Yossi? Or Chris Ryan. That's all right.

You want to step up to the, Thank you. Yeah, just step right up. No slam poetry. Thanks so much for an awesome night. This has been a total blast. You're welcome. Who of the 90s that's still making music today are your guys' favorite recording artists?

Tool. I love tool. Do you think he means like we appreciate their output? Their modern day output? You don't have to like fully other him while he's just walking away. I'm just sitting right there. That's right, yes. You can go back to your seat if you'd like.

You can stay there if you, it's up to you. You know, like the bands in this book. That are still making music, but I don't have to like the music they make today. I just like them as my favorite. Like Tool and Radiohead are still putting out your music. Bands that still put out music new albums now. Right. Favorite bands, yeah.

PJ Harvey. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Not the red hot chili peppers? Damn, you don't throw me out of the bus like that. I'm sorry. You've thrown.

I've thrown me under the bus like 50 times. That's what I'm here to do. That is true. Okay. And next? Hello, this is amazing. Thank you. I grew up in Australia and I live here.

I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. That's just fine. I was just kidding. You were on a roll. I'm so sorry. As everyone knows, I love and appreciate Australian people. Please go ahead.

Thank you. How much of kind of other countries and I grew up in the 90s in Australia. How much were you thinking about other people's experience of music around the world when you were doing the podcast? I primarily thought of the English, but

that's right. You really did. You answered a question. Did you think about Australian people? I thought about Australian people all the time while making the show. I think I'd try and be honest about the singularity of my experience. Did you even think about people outside of Ohio? No, I did not.

Maybe Pennsylvania sometimes. The Pennsylvania turnpike is a very, Kentucky maybe. Northern Kentucky. I tried to, but I think what pop music did for me in the 90s is sort of opening me up to the possibility of other countries, other worlds, right? And so it was a mixture

for me of a very narrow experience. Like I was an alt-rock kid, like I didn't know shit about shit, you know, and I still don't, but I think that music sort of opened the world up to me and showed me everything that I would never know, you know, and that was a very freeing thought that, you know, there would

always be new music to discover and like new places to discover, but like I would always just be a kid from Ohio who was sort of awed by it all. You didn't have a midnight oil song in there. I did see midnight oil live when I was in high school and they were fantastic. You were aware then. Absolutely. Next. Hi, I listened to you guys' podcasts with my dad in the car. And this question needs a little bit of a backstory. But last year, my friend and I for my school's talent show played played Never Gonna Give You Up by Rick Astley using a musical calculator bass guitar and vocals

and I was curious what song should I torture my school with this year? Wow. Ooh. I mean I have so many, Meet Virginia by Train. She loves babies and surprises. She wears high heels when she exercises.

I was just going to say the macarena. That's probably hard to play though, thank you. And sorry to your dad for corrupting the youth. This is for CR. What would Wayne Jenkins' 90s pop song? I think Wayne Jenkins would be a Fugazi guy, you know? DMV, I think I can't really bring myself to do Wayne Jenkins about Fugazi.

I think that there's some sort of like... I do not know who Wayne Jenkins is. I don't even look in my direction. It's part of its charm. So, yeah, I think Wayne Jenkins would be a Fugazi fan. Bonge. Bonge. This is more of a technical question,

but you mentioned that the dream was the least listen to episode. I was running for the stats for both of you. To your knowledge, most listen, least listen. Are we allowed to do this? Or is this like, do it? Justin, are we allowed to do this?

I think it's probably smells like teen spirit for me, but that's the corny love of it all, right? I think people go back to the very beginning. I think Alanis Morissets, you ought to know just because that was the first episode. I think there are weird ones

that sort of over indexed, like Chumba Wamba did very well. Sure. Bizarly. That makes sense. Does it though? I think so, yeah, I don't think there's any rhyme or reason for me. What is the most listen to bands band's music?

Radiohead. Really? Yeah, Radiohead part one and two. Lease listened to is the dream. Literally there's like coming soon on Bandsplain preview that has more streams than the in the dream episode. To deep cut. Yeah.

I gave you a list of like eight possibilities. I actually need you guys to fucking step it up because sometimes I'll do a gorgeous little episode on like the Sundays, which is amazing. And not enough people listen to it. And then my boss, Sean Fennacy, is like, you can't do any more episodes like that. Does you really say that? Not really. You're starting to get salty. Yeah.

Salty. I can't. He's like the national got three times more. I'm like, like, cool. I want to hear that. episode just for the contempt of your voice. All right. So your latest episode on I'll be missing you made me feel more emotions about Puffy than I ever thought I could.

And you said you made a mixtape that was sadness. So if you three were to make a mixtape of the 90s, what would your mood be? What would you classify it as? Well, obviously Chris's would be an anglofile. His would be chuffed, isn't it? My mood was Cheerio. Guy, what would mine be? I don't know.

You go first. Mine would probably be like angst. I know it's a low-hanging fruit, but mine would just be like, I fake it's so real. I am beyond fake. I'm going hungry. Desperation, angst. Yeah, why not?

I would go angle file. That's not an emotion, but in some ways it is. Yeah. Stip upper lip. Yeah. No one asked me to the homecoming dance. I think that would probably be. That's kind of the same is what I'm saying.

Like I'm ugly. No one's ever going to love me. Three guys said no to me to the Sadie Hawkins dance. Three, you guys. Can you believe I even asked the second and third one? I deserve a fucking Nobel Prize for that. Purple heart of bravery. Okay, next.

Hi, I am sad that none of your artifacts tonight were about 90s movie soundtracks, one of my favorites. But I also wanted to open it up because, Rob, I've never felt more seen them when I realized someone else had that same weird Depeche mode. compilation album. So if you could name a favorite compilation or soundtrack, that would be delightful. That's so hard. I mean, that is a good one.

Ironically, the Dazed and Confused soundtrack, which is not actually 90s music, but came out in the 90s would probably be mine. Yeah. This is hard. No alternative is pretty good. Yeah, no alternative would probably be mine too. I like soul asylum's cover of sexual healing. I think it's great. I think it's funky. The kids soundtrack? Is that what you just did? It's a little It's a little avant-garde. Natural one? It's mostly folk implosion songs. Chris just got to be, he's just got to be the weird one.

He's like, I'll see your single soundtrack, which just has iconic banger. Maybe singles because it has drown by smashing Frankenstein. Hey, you mentioned you have kids. Are there any, like, songs or bands or albums from the 90s that have latched on, kids have latched a lot too. It really is, they might be giants, and it wasn't me. You know, I didn't want to be the kid who was like baby is in a sonic youth onesie. Like, I was just really, I was intent that I would not try and indoctrinate them as a rock critic, right?

But the statue got me high came on on the radio one day as I was driving them to preschool. And my sons just slashed onto that song. And then we listened to nothing but flood in Apollo 18. my three-year-old, my daughter, now does a dance to fingertips. If you know that song, it's a series of like 10-second snippets, and it's the who's that standing out my window,

parchedy, like, froze her arms up in the air like this. It really is they might be giants, and basically only they might be giants, that they'll even tolerate for me as far as 90s music. I bet you they would like tub-thumping. They totally would, yeah. Getting off down. Next up.

Hi, Rob. I wanted to ask, you about your process putting together your podcast. I think one of my favorite things about 60 songs that explain in the 90s is how your narration sounds like a stream of consciousness, like just whatever is going on in your mind. And when I write my own VO, when I listen to VO from other podcasters, it sounds very written. And I just love how yours really just sounds like whatever you're thinking about what's on your mind. And I find it so entertaining. And I just want to know about your process. And Rob Yossi, if you could pick a rewatchable's episode to be on,

which one? I have to know. Finally, we can lobby to get on. I tried, dude. Honestly, I did. Thank you, man. What rewatchables should we? Did they do, they did reality bites already? Did they do clueless?

We did. Oh, you know. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Mine would probably be beautiful girls. Chris Ryan talked about, but they'll never let me do that. They'll, they're silencing me.

Maybe a Hall Hartley movie if they would let me. Yeah. if you can get a Hellheartedly movie on the rewatchable. It's not going to happen. We can do like five or six more people just because we're running out of time. You didn't answer your process question. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah. I didn't know what, when I started this show, I didn't know what it would be

and how it would be different than just writing an article. But it just turned into me opening a Google Doc and just reading it out loud as I wrote. And so it's like written down to the word. Like I thought that by this point I would be able to riff, you know, and I wouldn't have to write down word for word, but I can't do it that way. And so I just read it out loud to myself like hundreds of times.

And so my children just think that I'm talking to myself all day. And they are correct, actually. But it's, yeah, it's just, I do think that this is a very pandemic era, like blasting tool while driving to Target sort of project where my world just narrowed down

to me in my office and just me talking to myself all the time, you know, and somehow it works out. both Rob and I created like the most intensely like prison type podcasts for ourselves that like now we can never be free of that's that's exactly right yeah okay I think I've listened to most if not all of the dream episode oh thank God there's like there you're there you're that's the guy

I'm the guy no comment just listen oh yeah that's fine that's fine he's like it's neither here nor there I said sex jams like 50 times of that episode super cut out of it. It was horrible. That wasn't what made people uncomfortable. Anyway, my question is, so Rob turned me on to your podcasts. Thank you, Rob.

Your podcasts are genius. That's what I think of you. And my question is, my question is, where did, you guys have this amazing mind meld? Where did you meet? Was it like a slow burn? I get that he's your dad, but. He's my father. That's right.

But you met your dad at some point, and was it a slow burner? Was it like a Led Zeppelin first notes boom kind of thing? You sent us an email. It was like to me and Justin. Did I ask to be on your podcast? Sounds like me. I don't know if you asked, but maybe you did ask. Did I insinuate that it would be a good idea if I should be on your podcast?

I was like, hey, have you guys thought about having me on your podcast? So it was email, and then it was Slack. Like most of our conversations are we found. We met for the first time like three hours ago now. It's true. Whatever it is. Yeah, I don't think it was a slow burn. I feel like we kind of hit it off.

Yeah, and that's Dave Matthews band. I think it's down to it. Yeah, it was down to my passion and fervor for Creschen to me that I think really sold you on me. Would you agree? I don't want to put words in your mouth. I completely agree. You just did, and they were the correct words, actually, so that worked out. So in some of the episodes, you, like, sound like you put it off and put it off, and I'm just curious, like, which one did you really have to push off?

And also, did anybody tell you which songs to pick? I think I did not want the macarena in my head for two weeks. And so I put that off for a very, very, very long time. But I was glad that I did it. Like, I actually enjoyed that episode. Like, I just found them so charming and so random. A little clapping for the macarena. I think that's like...

So there are quite a few... I put off Britney Spears forever because Britney Spears just terrified me. Just as like a present tense, you know, just a constantly moving thing. And then when we got into the thing of always making... documentaries like apologizing to her and then those got too intense now we have to apologize to her for how florid the apology document it's just i just didn't want to deal with it and finally i don't i got an email the other day from somebody saying hey i listened to your brittney spears episode but it appears to be a new kids on the block episode it seems to be mislabeled like where is the

actual brittany spears episode and i had to write back i'm sorry i just talk about new kids on the block for the first 20 minutes you just have to keep listening i'm sorry i'm like that take care, Rob. You actually write them back? Yes. Rob writes everybody back. Apologies, love and respect to all of you, but I do not do that.

You don't even write me back anymore, so, yeah. Hi, guys, big fan of both of you. Rob, thank you for giving me work in the early 2000s at the East Bay Express. Super appreciate that. Oh, my God. All right. To see you. Yasi, I just have like a question and ask,

could you please get somebody on who knows anything about Fish or Wilco and redo either of these. Either of those episodes, it's embarrassing to us. I knew, I knew one of these was coming. Here's the thing, you couldn't pay me enough money in the world to do fish again. The fish episode is awesome. I love it so much because you hate them so much. I will consider Wilco, but also probably it would have to be a really large sum of money.

I can give you my Venmo and then we can talk about it. I am happy to negotiate and would love to come on and talk about Wilco for 15 hours. I bet you would, babe. I bet you would. Thank you. All right, next. Oh, Leslie. Hi, Leslie.

Hi, Lassie. I'm so proud of you. Oh, thank you. First of all, the Mariah is very loud in this conversation. I know, I'm so sorry. But my question is, both Rob and Yossi,

what's been the crazy response you've gotten from an artist team about one of your shows? The guy from LFO got really mad at me. This actually predates the show. I wrote like 8,000. words about summer girls. And I interviewed, like, the producer

and, like, the dude from LFO, one of the dudes, and he did not, he was displeased with my discourse on Abercrombie and Fitch and everything. Like, I tried, I wanted it to be a celebration. I wasn't, like, making fun of it, or so I thought. But I think he took it very, which I can understand, frankly. But, like, I was pretty bummed to get that

voicemail, you know? But, like, otherwise, I think Courtney love reaching out to me as objectively the most bizarre thing that's ever happened to me in my entire. life. How about you? That's pretty high up there for you, huh? Yeah. I haven't gotten any mean feedback

from any of the bands. I'm supposing they just didn't listen. They don't care if I live or die. The dream is not. Yeah, this is a terrible episode. Yeah, like, what's his name? Trey Anastasio is not like putting on the fish episode to be like, what do you say, bitch? But I do, I worry

about that. I mean, Joni Mitchell's team like reposted the Joni. I was and I was like, oh my God, that was huge. I don't have many, like, come. I mean, yeah, the drummer of the gin blossoms gave me to the sign. Yeah, I don't know, nothing too crazy. Thanks, Leslie. We love Mariah.

Hey, guys. Big fan of everyone here. You guys all do really dope shit. Rob, was there anybody you feel like you left out? Because I just want another 30 songs. I just want another 30. If you just popped up like, hey, guys, it's Rob. I know I said it was 60, but now it's like 180.

Okay, I have, did you do 3-11? Rude, if you didn't. He didn't. I have not done 3-11. You didn't do down? I have not yet. I got like 10 left, man. Okay, I'm just like...

By the way, that band's playing for 3-11 was amazing. Thank you. I learned so much. Thank you so much. That is a good one. You're really playing to the base. It's unbelievable. I learned so much.

I can only be me. That's right. But yeah, did anybody get left out? Do you feel like I... There's like a hundred, hundreds of people. So you're saying there's a chance. I have... Is that what you're saying?

I probably should stop at some point but I'm going to keep doing this show forever I guess but I'm not going to leave anybody out that's all I wanted to do. This is bad as saying Catman Sanchez but yes I'm sorry.

Thank you guys. I just wanted to ask in the air of AI that we have the Beatles last song that just came out we're going to keep getting more and more mass-produced kind of things like that is there any artists that yes you would want to hear one more time from the 90s or absolute hard no their legacy should just live on the way that it's already gone there was a i i heard an ai version of what kirk cobain would have sounded like singing ever long the other day oh good uh that sounds phenomenal that person is going straight the fuck to hell look i was just they should be taken to the hay

who ever made that should be tried in front of the fucking hay War crime. I think AI has got a little room to grow there on the Cobain fronting food fighters side of things, but that's about the extent of my contribution here. I heard one good thing, which was Lana Del Rey singing Mazzi Star. Yeah, it actually is kind of good.

That's one. Are you sure it wasn't just Lana Del Rey singing Mazza? It definitely. I like labeled AI. But past that, I think it should not ever happen. It's unconscionable. I think the Tupac hologram. of it all. Like, I'm fine just to avoid

all that. That was a good coachella. Yes. That's how Bugs Bunny says it. I've made myself here. This is our last one. I know. I snuck into the line after you said that. That's okay. Hell yeah. We love that kind of attitude around here. Going

longer than we're supposed to. We love that. Yes, you're amazing. I love everything about you. Great hoodie, Chris. Shout out Anthony in the audience. The Charts of Ceremony. What up, Anthony? Yasi told me that a member of ceremony was going to be here. And I felt challenged that I'll wear the sweatshirt.

Yeah, I like that you did it still. Okay. Put it in his face. Sorry, please go on. I, well, I don't know, maybe you just a little bit answered this by saying that you're going to do this indefinitely. I regret saying that. Once again, I can't see the faces. Like, veins are like popping out of his neck right now.

He's like, you support? My actual question, possibly a good one to be the last person for is, What's next for you? You know, I really got to figure that out. This is why I keep extending the show because I can't think of anything. And so if I get to the end of the show and I can't think of anything, then I'll just keep doing this, I guess. I really need to figure that out, but I don't know yet.

I thought that my career would end with me writing a book, actually. So this is a very strange moment for me. It's like I feel like I'm just going to keel over now and be happy. But I'll figure out something. And if I don't, then I'll just keep doing the show and I'll just deal with Justin Beck's. And your wife, don't forget. Yes, my wife. A lot of people need to have a strong word with you.

The curbside service attendance at Target. Yeah. All right, you guys. Thank you so much for coming out to see us. Did we make it? Make sure to buy Rob's book if you have it. Stream the Dream Bansplain. And we'll see you next time.

If you liked what you heard today, subscribe for more episodes of Bansplain. Our guests today were Rob Harv, and Chris Ryan. This episode was produced by Jesse Miller Gordon, edited by Jonathan Kerma with help from Justin Sales. Executive producers for Bandspland are Gina Delvac and me, Yossi Salic. Huge, huge, heartfelt thank you to everyone who came out and made this night so special. I really appreciate it. Our gorgeous and catchy theme song was composed and performed by Bethany Costantino and Jennifer Clavent and graciously recorded by Carlos Delagarza in Los Angeles, California. Special thanks to our Producer Emeritus, Producer Dylan, aka Dylan Tupper Rupert, and also Casey.

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