Bandsplain - Solo Mailbag with Yasi. Plus, an interview with Elias Bender Rønnenfelt and Johan Suurballe of Iceage.

Episode Date: August 20, 2026

It's time for a loaded mailbag, and Yasi is handling this one solo. She’s tackling questions on skin-care routines, the importance of physical media, and the best venues for seeing a show. Plus: Learn whether 24 is too old. (Spoiler: It’s not.) Next, Iceage’s Elias Bender Ronnenfelt and Johan Suurballe Wieth join Yasi to discuss their new album, 'For Love of Grace & the Hereafter.' They talk about the Copenhagen music scene, the epiphany of direction, scoring films, and befriending crows.  Check out Iceage’s ‘For Love of Grace & the Hereafter’ here  Subscribe on YouTube CREDITS: Host: Yasi Salek @yasisalek Guest: Elias Bender Rønnenfelt and Johan Suurballe Wieth @iceage Producer: Rob Sundermann  Editor: Adrien Bridges  Additional Production Supervision: Justin Sayles Theme Song: Bethany Cosentino Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Wayfair, every style, every home. What's with this band anyway? I don't get it. Can you please explain? Wait, like Bansplaine. Hello and welcome to Bandsplaine. I am your host, Yossi Salek. This is usually a show where I invite an expert guest on to help me explain a cult band or iconic artist.

But today, you guys, today I am doing a mailbag. It's a Yossi Salik solo mailbag time. Thank you for joining me for this special episode. But before I get into the questions, I want to tell you that after the questions, please stick around. I did an interview with one of my favorite bands, Pinnacles of Danish Excellence, the band Ice Age, whose fantastic new album for Love of Grace and the Hereafter has been really heavily played in my AirPods corded recently. So definitely sing around for that. It was a good conversation.

All right, let's get into your guys. You guys sent in a lot of questions, so I'm really sorry in advance that I'm not going to get to all of them. but we'll save, you know, save some for the next one. And thank you for the diversity and the variety. I appreciate it. First question. To my dearest, Yossi-Solic, I'm writing in with a few questions in mind. Before I get to the questions, I want to preface by saying that recently,

I worked at a company where I wrote manuals for robots that made glass. The only thing that kept me from throwing myself onto the running conveyor belts, which at any given moment were handling sharp. glass shards that definitely would have cut up and made my face all sorts of whack was your podcast, which I consumed 40 hours of per week for all 10 weeks I was employed at that company. This is so much to unpack right now. Do you, sorry, I know we haven't gone on the question, but did you write the manuals like for the robots? Did the robots use the manuals or are these manuals for other people that use the robots?

while they were making glass. I know you can't answer this is one way all by myself. But it's just a question that came to mind. With that being said, I was wondering, what would you say were the most important decisions you made when you were a 24-year-old to propel you into your current beautiful, goddamn gorgeous profession within the arts?

The rest are about my favorite kinds of questions. I will not read on this podcast, which are. can you do this band? But I appreciate you. Okay. There's a couple of questions in this vein, and I'm more than happy to answer them. I love answering these kinds of questions. 24 years old, first of all, is very young. I think that we're living in some sort of new timeline where young people are like convinced that like once they hit 26, they're like a washed up old has been hag and need to be thrown into the garbage can.

can, like if they haven't become like an influencer entrepreneur or something by that point or like, you know, started an AI company or whatever. But I don't think that's the case. I think 24 is like you're really right at the beginning, the sweet spot. In fact, you have like a good six more years minimum to like fuck around and find out. What was I doing when I was 24? what decisions did I make? When I was 24, I was living in New York City. Absolutely not thinking about girl bossing.

I had a blog. Yeah, I had a blog. Blogspot. It was called killer camel. Dot blogspot.com. It's defunct, I believe. I've actually never tried to look at it at the wayback machine. I should try to look at it.

It was kind of like one of those early party photo style blogs, although the party photos were not of like everyone at a party. They were just of my party escapades. And I was working at Nike ID, which was a, Nike had opened like a concept shop. I think it was on Elizabeth Street. I didn't truly. It's so long ago where people, in the beginning, most of the first. Obviously, celebrities and VIPs could come in to customized shoes with the help of a Nike employee who sat with you and helped you pick out all your special little fabrics and colors and stuff. I was not one of those front of house people. They shoved me right in the back. I was doing administrative work. And also, like, kind of constantly getting in trouble because I would come in every day and, like, beat up Chuck Taylor Converse and not nice. And I was drinking quite heavily probably because I was 24. This was like real max fish hours. And I think I was doing a bit of music writing, like very early music writing. Yeah, I guess like at that time I would have been the editor, the music editor of Vapers magazine, the graffiti and lifestyle magazine out of Sacramento.

Mind you, that paid about $200 a month. So it wasn't exactly living large. on that paycheck. What decisions did I make then? I mean, those are some of the decisions, right, that I didn't realize were sort of pertinent, but I was already following my interests. You know, I was really interested in music, and I had always wanted to be a music journalist,

and I kind of did what I could to achieve that, although I actually didn't achieve it. You know, I don't, while I did write for various publications over the course of a couple of years, mass appeal, I was interning at Complex at the time, misbehave, may it rest in peace, inked, it was a tattoo magazine. I didn't ever like really get any success. I never got a job in a magazine that like had a salary and healthcare and stuff.

But I was doing it as much as I could. I was going to shows. I was doing my blog, which is a form of self-expression, I guess. But I guess maybe the important decision I made at 24 was I moved back to L.A. I just like I was maybe the skills of partying versus like living life and pursuing goals had tipped in the wrong direction. And, you know, I thought I would go back and then return one day. going back to LA ended up being a really good decision for me. I don't think this is necessarily broadly applicable. But I guess maybe like if I was to phrase it in an advice sense, if that's

what you're asking, I would say like number one follow what interests you and do what you can within that space, you know, time and employment permitting. And also, maybe make a decision or two that is good for you, if that makes sense. Good for your, good for the longevity of your health and well-being. That being said, yours 24. So like, be out in the streets, you know, have fun, make mistakes. The most important thing I think in my 20s was that I was unknowingly building the scaffolding of what would become, what I would eventually build my career on, which was the people that I formed relationships with and knew the knowledge I gained from just being around, being at places, being at shows,

being at parties. Yeah, it all didn't feel like it was building towards something, but it ultimately was. I hope that's helpful. You're very young. I know it's rough right now and kind of always and making money in a mindless, mind-numbing job, like writing manuals for robots sucks. But I think, like, you have so much time and you're going to be okay. As long as, like, as long as you follow, I don't want to say follow your dreams, that's so hack and cheesy,

but yeah, follow your interests. Like, what lights you up and figure out ways to involve yourself in that? Paid or not, you know, like as much as you have the bandwidth for? That question was from Maddie. Thank you, Maddie. These questions are kind of in the same vein. This one is from A-E. First of all, have Patrick on as much as fucking possible, please.

done and done. I'm pretty sure he is absolutely sick of me calling him and being like, can you please come down to the studio. But he is welcome anytime. He is a wonderful guest and a brilliant mind and sort of unmatched in many ways. Okay. Second, I am 27 and sort of lost. Were you lost at 27? Did you start new things at 27? Make new friends. Are there any artists that had some sort of turning point at 27 that I could look into? It's not funny, but yes, There are several artists that had a very crucial turning point at 27 that we could look into. The Madonna Month really taught me to pursue my interest without shame, but I'm still concerned about doing so alone. I relate to Nikki and Times Square.

Please look back to our Times Square episode with Patrick, a bit more than I'd like to admit being 10 years or senior. Anyway, what do you listen to when you feel lost, alone, spiritually adrift? What brings you back to Earth or helps you transcend it? Okay. was I lost at 27. I kind of feel like if you're doing it right, you should be lost at 27. I mean, 27 again, is still quite young. I don't want to infantilize.

Like, I don't think, like, you're a little baby at 27, and you can't be responsible for yourself and, you know, make good decisions, et cetera, et cetera. But at the same time, I do think you should be, like, still getting into fuck shit. And I, and yeah, I mean, my life from when I was 27 to now has changed vastly. When I was 27, what was I even doing it, 27? Honestly, I barely remember. I think it was not to retread, but it was merely three years after I moved back from New York. So I was doing kind of the same stuff. Oh, I know.

Okay. I had another blog. I had a different blog called Cultist, which was like an online sort of more of like, it was less party fun here are my friends with my digital camera and more like an attempt at doing like a music magazine. There was like different contributors. I would interview bands. I had my friends interview bands. We would put up like photos from shows and festivals. We would talk about new music videos.

We did a lot of cool shit. like Charlie X-EX had an advice column, I think, for like one or two posts. I literally can't find it. It's the blog is defunct and I've poked her on the wayback machine. That's one I can't find. But we would go to South by Southwest and like interview new bands and it was super fun. And we had like personal essays and stuff. And I loved that.

So I was, you know, doing something. But it didn't feel like something because it didn't make money. You know, it wasn't like a. career thing at all. It was a thing I did on the side for the love of the game or whatever. And I had a job, I worked at BuzzNet, which was sort of like a pop punk and scene website. That was kind of woefully miscast, if you will, in that position. But it was a job. The answer is, yeah, like in a sense I was lost, but again, I think you should be lost. not so lost that you are

trending towards the artist that had the turning point at 27 which I don't know if you were making a joke but yes obviously there's the 27 club and it's a famous age to die or end your life and I think from my astrology girl is that ties in in my opinion to Saturn return

because Saturn return happens once every like what 27 or 28 years and depending on where you're where your chart falls exactly and it's an incredibly difficult time in your life it's like harrowing it's testing and you come out the other side hopefully more sure of yourself stronger um but it's fucking it's a rough it's a rough go for a little bit um i definitely think you can make new friends i mean lots of new friends when i was 27 um you can do anything at any age i know that sounds a little hack and it's kind of like when my therapist tells me that everybody is beautiful, which everybody is

beautiful. But you know what I mean? Like some days when you're like feeling ugly and disgusting, you're like, okay. Point being, you definitely can make new friends at 27. And if you're feeling lost, I know this is a little bit already in reruns from the first question, but like if you're feeling lost, do something that you love and enjoy and that brings you some sort of gratitude or there's a saying that goes around that's like you build self-esteem through esteemable actions and that gets really broad

but for me as stupid as it sounds like blogging about music and like writing about loving a new song felt you know gave me esteem because it was an esteemable action I think that the way to anchor yourself is to be close to yourself,

and the way to be close to yourself is to honor what you love and what lights you up. So again, sorry, I'm in reruns, but I do think there's kind of simple answers to most of these questions. Simple, but not easy. It's different. It might be simple to explain, but it's not easy to achieve. But you got this. A? A, I'm sorry if I'm not pronouncing your name, right?

About what I listen to when I feel lost alone and spiritually adrift. It kind of depends. Sometimes I just like, I'm like, okay, like let's try to turn this ship around. Like, let's boost your spirit. Let's trick yourself into being in a better mood. Kind of like, you know, when you fake smile and they say there's a scientific proof that if you make yourself smile, your mood improves. And so I have like a couple of playlists of just like more uplifting, like fun music. Yeah, maybe call me maybe is on most of those playlists.

It's none of your business. Or conversely, I sometimes take the only way out is through tactic and don't fight it. Because I think sometimes fighting it when you are feeling really deep. down spiritually adrift, if you will, only makes it worse. It's like if you're tangled up in a net and you are trying to fight out of it, you just get more tangled up. But if you just kind of like untense and lay down, you'll eventually be free of it. So I put on this totally normal playlist I have of two to three hours of crying songs. So I would give that a go. Okay, next question.

Hello, Yossi. Can you let us know what your bedtime routine is, please? Thank you, Dana Andrew Hernandez. Thank you so much, Dana Andrew Hernandez. I did sort of ask on Instagram if people could ask me more broader questions that reach into my other interests besides music because I am a complex and layered person. And I'm happy to talk to you about my bedtime. routine. I personally feel like the bedtime routine sort of starts at dinner. So, you know, I cook most nights. I try to make myself a reasonably nourishing and healthy meal. It gets a little jimbro

in the meals lately. It's, you know, a fish or shrimp, some sort of, you know, protein. I don't put the unquote. It's literally protein. We have like a really nice rice. cooker. I can't remember the name, but I think you guys won't. Real rice cooker heads will know. It plays a little song. Um, so there's always kind of rice going. So I usually have rice and the protein and some sort of vegetable, broccoli, asparagus. And, you know, we jizzed up, seasoning, sauces. Sometimes it's Mexican, sometimes it's Asian, depending on the seasonings and sauces. Sometimes I do a ground beef bowl. Again, Jimbrough hours, but I try to make it fun. Fun.

And then, depending on the heat level, like, sometimes I walk the dog before dinner, sometimes I walk after. It's probably good to walk after it because you get that, you know, digestion and walk popping. I watch TV or a movie, depending. I only like to watch, like, maybe max two hours a night, usually an hour. I'm tired. And then I take my supplements. some magnesium and some glycine and some vitamin D and some other stuff.

Then I go on down to the bedroom. I take off, you know, my makeup, my whatever, my face, brush my teeth, do my skincare. And then I lay in my bed with my legs up on the wall. It's a bit of a lymphatic drainage moment. You asked, okay? You asked and I'm telling you the full answer. And then I read while I'm doing that.

It's like five or ten minutes. And then I go ahead and turn back around normal position. position and keep reading about 30 minutes and then I put a little magnesium oil on my feet, a lip mask, lights out. Usually around, depends. 930, 10, if I'm really pushing at 10.30 last night went to bed at 9. Chris Ryan told me recently that I am an extremely unconvincing early riser. And I think that's a compliment, but I don't know if something happened where it's my whole awake time frame has shifted and it's quite difficult to stay up late. But that's it. That's the bedtime routine.

Really exciting. Okay, next question. Dear Yossi, do you fuck with creatine? I've been taking it pre-workout for a month now and I think it's making me stronger but like in a bulky way. I don't know. Also, I'm in the market for running shoes because I'm about to start. start marathon training? What are some actual cube of functional shoes that don't make me look like I have moon boots on? Love you, Lucy. Oh my God, hi Lucy. I'm really proud of your fitness journey.

I do fuck with creatine. I think creatine is really great. I think it's heavily studied. It's pretty known to benefit not just muscle mass, but also brain function. I think if I remember correctly, the brain function happens like at a little bit of a higher dose. like maybe 10 grams a day instead of five. But I do know that because of how, welcome to Heberman Lab. I know because of how creatine functions, which is it like brings,

I mean, I don't know about this, so I didn't sound like a fucking idiot. It pulls water from your body into your muscle cells. And so the bulk you're feeling isn't actually like weight gain or fat or anything, it is this fluid going to your muscle fibers. And that, in my experience, that goes away. Like, that's only kind of the beginning of when you're taking it. Usually, it should go away for you pretty soon. It's usually about two to four weeks. But I, yeah, I can't, I can't recommend it enough, especially for women. Because as we as women age,

we are rapidly losing muscle mass. So anything that can help. And also for my brain, which is increasingly becoming adult and filled with worms. Lucy, regarding running shoes, I literally have no idea. I don't really run. I would recommend going to one of those cool running shoe stores where they like measure your foot and have you run on a thing. And I'll tell you what, I think they probably should be ugly because it's more important than they're protecting your foot.

Sorry to sound like your mom. Okay, next question. Bongi, oh my God, banj. What are you reading outside of work? these days. Love Chelsea, a female listener. Thank you, Chelsea. Okay, in regard, like, kind of related to the creatine point. I genuinely feel like I'm getting stupider every day. I think that's probably a function of perimenopause. Real heads no. Real perimenopause heads, no. And, like, also, like, can we talk about, this is a very niche audience, but, like, it's chapping my ass right

know. Where is the estradi? Where is why every pharmacy is like, oh, sorry, we don't have that right now. Like, if men needed this, that would not be sold out. Like, why are we having a shortage of a drug that people need, I mean insulin, whatever, you can get into it. I just, it's causing me great stress atop other stresses that I don't need to deal with. But I've digressed, feeling stupider every day. And so I'm trying, because the books I read for work absolutely bless their hearts and souls are not, they're not doing any heavy lifting in terms of sharpening my mind because they're extremely poorly written. An exception, by the way, recently is Stephen Hayden's new Stroke's book, which is quite good. I'm not sure it's out yet. I think it comes out in September,

but pre-order that, bitch. It's good. Anyways, point being that I've been trying to actively work out my brain by reading more challenging books. Right now, I'm particularly interested in semiotics. Wow. This is like one of those episodes where it's like absolutely for the real heads. Like many people have been like, oh, you're not talking about Pearl Jam? Goodbye. Anyways, for the seven of you still here, semiotics is how.

words, it's like the study of how words and images and sounds and like all sorts of gestures, objects, stand in for, and represent ideas in communication and media and culture. It's like the study of signs. So I am reading, I brought them actually to show you guys, I'm reading this book, which is Semiotics, The Basics by Daniel Chandler, which is kind of just like a straight, academic, but explanatory book about semiotics. So far, it's very good. I'm also reading Roland Bart Mythologies.

I hope I'm pronouncing that, right? My king, my French king. Everyone knows I love, what is the Roland Bart book I love? A lover's discourse. That's like my favorite Roland Barth book, which I always really recommend because I think it's so incredible. But yes, I'm reading mythologies. And then the third book is not a semiotics book.

it is Hannah Arendt the life of the mind which is basically like a meditation on thinking I know that sounds maybe boring but it's really not boring

it's super fucking interesting I like have to stop every like two pages and jot down something she says an idea she has it's like everything's like phrased really beautifully

um I want to wonder if it's like a little overkill to read about thinking in order to make yourself think better, but like I'll do what I'm doing what I can, but we're trying to preserve the mind. So that's, you just, you caught me at a very intellectually annoying time in my life and that's what I'm reading. But I also, you know, sometimes when I want a secret third thing between a workbook and challenging intellectual book, I do like a non-lawful. I just haven't read one in a while.

I'm open to, I'm open to suggestions. Willing to take any of your suggestions? Oh, you know another book I read recently that I really liked was Megan Garvey's book, Midwestern Death Trip. It's her first book. Megan Garvey's one of my favorite writers. She's brilliant. Her substack is brilliant.

I mean, she's truly like. like the Hunter S. Thompson of, I don't, meets Eve Babitz of the Midwest. She, it's, this is a coming of age memoir that's like kind of set around a road trip through the American Midwest. And I say 100% yes, you should get it. You guys, surprisingly, there weren't that many music questions, except for can you do this band, which yes. Just let's say yes, for whatever. band you ask for let's say yes um so if you you know don't be mad at me about these questions not being music related okay next question um hi assy i've been listening to and loving bandslan you always do a great job of doing deep dives into my favorite bands and genres has really

inspired me to learn even more about music and music history you're welcome how did you become such a good music historian dumb bench ken burns babe can you suggest how someone like me could go about learning to become a music historian? How did you get started? What are some resources you use? I'm always impressed by the level of detail you have when you talk about some of these bands and wonder how you found that info.

Always, anyway, love the show. Thanks. This is from Andy. Thank you, Andy. I love that you call me a music historian. I will take it. I don't, how did I become such a good music historian? I'm going to try to answer this sincerely.

I think if you have a deep level of interest in something, you are naturally going to be prone to learning more about it. And this started, for me, very young, pre there being the internet at our fingertips. And so what it looked like back then was buying as many music magazines as possible, reading them cover to cover, reading liner notes to find out more about the artists and bands that I loved and maybe who they were thinking in the notes. So I could sort of go and look into those artists, buying books. that were about music or scenes or specific bands.

I mean, I've talked at length on this show, and I will continue to talk about Route 666 on the Road to Nirvana by Gina Arnold, which is a book that really opened my eyes and also showed me that you could do music history, but make it personal and voicey and be a woman. I highly recommend that book. So I guess those are some of the first things I would recommend is like if whatever it is you're interested in. I mean, you're saying music it's 10 times easier now. You know, you have the internet.

So like I would say read whatever you can get your hands on. I do recommend and I've said it a lot on this show out of print books. Again, not because they're particularly well written and I presume if they were they might still be in print. also some of them are. It's just maybe they're kind of niche. But there's tons of out-of-print music books about almost anything you could think of. And great places to get those are like thriftbooks.com, eBay. I use in particular, I mean, I know it's like kind of basic bitchship, but like Wikipedia is kind of a great starting point because the citations will take you to interesting places. So I definitely use Wikipedia. I use Wikipedia. I use,

the wayback machine quite a bit for broken links or things like that. Fan sites. Again, I don't know how much people are keeping up dedicated fan sites like they used to like Angel Fire style. But even the ones that are somehow still on the internet and even if they're not being updated are like wealth of information. Like a lot of them have entire sections of press where you can find like scanned or transcribed bits of press that aren't findable anymore online. I do also buy old magazines from those

eras like on again on eBay. A, I just love them as pieces of physical media. I love magazines. I always love them. It was like my dream to work in magazines. But there's lots of pieces and interviews and stuff from magazines that never made their way online. And so you can find those and buy them on eBay, I mean, depending how expensive they are. But those are sort of my resources. I think it kind of boils just down to interest.

I hope that helps. I love that you want to become a music historian. It's really cool. The Internet made everything a lot easier. I could never, I don't think have done, I mean, I could do this job without the internet, but you would get like one podcast every six months probably because it would just take me so long. We'd be up in the library looking at Mike Grofiche. Good luck, Andy.

I hope that you are the next dumb bitch, Ken Burns, in the lineage. Next question. Oh. She's stoked. She's excited because. You guys did ask some makeup and skin care questions. And again, I have layers. And I love to talk about some other things.

So here we go. Hi, Asi. Greetings from Brooklyn, New York. You've probably been asked this before. So my apologies, if this is a repeat question. But what is your most recommended eyeliner and mascara? Thank you so much, Carolina. Actually, I have not been asked this before.

I use the Westman Atelier I Love You, Coal, eyeliner. I also use this other eyeliner. Oh my God, I really should have taken a picture of this. I thought I would remember, but the name has escaped me. I use this other eyeliner that's like my roommate got me. Thank you, Bree, because her makeup always looks so perfect. That's like a little more for smudging. I want to say it's one size. So those are my eyeliners. And that's for pencils. For liquid, I use Steela. I kind of think steel is the best liquid liner. I've used a bunch of them and, you know, famously people have pointed out that my cat eye is unusual or some people have said bad. They have said it and I don't care. I like how it is, but that's my favorite one to use. And then for mascara,

I use the YSL lash clash extreme volume. If you like like a, you know, kind of extra over the top mascara. It's kind of smudgy rock chick look, if you will. That's a good one. I used to be a Dior show girly, but I really hate the fragrance. It's like kind of heavily fragrance and honestly why I sell is better. So thank you for asking that question. I feel validated. Another question that asked about the mascara, but also folded in a music question, so I'll ask the music question was, what is your dream singer band group to show out at sphere in Las Vegas? I heard it wasn't called the sphere.

Is that true? Have I been saying it wrong this whole time? Why would you just call it sphere? Why wouldn't it be the sphere? It's so annoying. That's actually really annoying of you, sphere. My dream band to play at the sphere. This is such a good question.

I know the one that I think would make the most sense. And in a way it might be a dream of mine, but I wouldn't say it's my number one dream, but that would be nine-inch nails. I just think they have like such an intensely awesome visual world and I think it really would lend itself to like the

insanity of the sphere what would be like my dream band to experience there I mean loki I just want David Matthews in his band to play there and I have a bit of mushrooms and some suns there and like get my whole life

but I understand that that's not probably a very satisfying answer um Okay, next one. Also asks about the mascara. Claudia, I turn 40 in a few weeks and I am weirdly not freaking out about it. Good, nothing to freak out about. Do you have any makeup tips to step into this new decade in glamour and pizzazz?

Thanks. Glamour and pizzazz. I love it. I was like a very late bloomer when it comes to makeup. I just didn't know how to put it on. And I still, you know, again, some people would say I still don't know how to put it on. And that's okay. But I got really into watching TikTok tutorials or Instagram Real tutorials.

I really like Katie Jane Hughes. That's Duelipa's makeup artist. I feel like I learned a lot from her. But a specific makeup tip for glamour and pizzazz. I love highlighter if you guys. You guys can probably get to tell you're like your shiny as hell bitch. And I love a lavender highlighter. I feel like sometimes all I feel like I really need is a lip and a highlighter and I'm like good to go.

I feel kind of put together and like glamorous and pizzazzi. And then lastly in this grouping of questions, hi, Aussie. I'm Erica 27 writing from the OC. I must ask what is your skincare routine products you are loving right now. Also bonus question. Can you let us know your all-time favorite music venues? Thank you. I sure can, Erica. Okay, skincare products. I have been using a lot of stuff. I've found this brand when I was in Paris at the French pharmacy. So annoying. Isn't French pharmacy content so annoying. But it's called Ciblay. And they actually do, they sell it online. And I think they sell it at some dermatologist's office. They have a skin booster serum that I have. I'm really into. I use mandelic acid and azaleic acid for like, you know, brightness and turnover. I don't

do really well with Tretano, and I know that they say online, they put a gun to your head and say if you don't use Treadnone and you might as well just kill yourself, but I don't do well with Tritone. And I have recently gone to an old fave, a classic, which is the clinic dramatically different moisturizing gel. It's nice and light, especially for summer. And this is annoying, but I'm just going to really honest with you, Erica. I'm a biologi-gri-grily. It's expensive, but it works, and I love their products. Not all of them. Some of them, they work to differing effects, but I use the elastin serum, the cream MSR-H, and the Mask VIP O2 pretty religiously. Also, just sort of related, if you're into

skincare, I cannot recommend enough. My friend Alexis Page has an amazing substack. She's like, probably the only person I would really listen to about skincare because she's like such a ball knower.

And her substack is called self-involved. So if you're into skincare, I highly recommend a subscription to that. She's a genius. Oh, sorry, my favorite music venue is. I'll just, I'll I guess I'll just say in L.A. I love the Hollywood Bowl. I love the Hollywood Bowl. I love the outdoor ones. I love the Greek. I love the Hollywood Bowl. I really love the Ford, which you don't actually get to see shows at very much, because they just don't have very many shows there. It's like a mini Hollywood Bowl, and it's right up against, like, this cliffside, and there's all this, like, beautiful vegetation that, like, you're looking at. Those are kind of my three favorites in L.A. I guess I have, like, kind of a soft. spot for the Echo, even though it's not exactly the greatest music venue. I just like went there so much and had so many fun experiences there. I also really like the L. Ray. What else? What else do I like? Oh, I really like the gorge. I've only been there a couple of times up in Washington, but it's so beautiful. Like seeing a band play there, like as the sun sets behind them into this giant, like beautiful, natural.

setting is amazing. Oh, and last but not least, in the makeup skincare corner, we have a question from the artist formerly known as producer Dylan, Dylan Tupper Rupert, Dylan Wrightson. Okay, so I have a list of things I want to do regarding house, life, car, once I have spending money again. On that list is microneedling. But then, recently I heard laser treatments get better results. What's the difference and what is better to spend money on between those two options? Dylan, I'm so glad you asked this question. How many people you think have turned this podcast off right now? They're like, okay.

I want to really, I want to take the time to answer this question properly. This is my broad top level understanding as sort of a student of skin care treatments. So lasers are basically a light concentration on the skin. There's two types. There's ablative and non-oblative. Ablative are the more intense one. They sort of like vaporize the top layers of the skin. A CO2 laser is an ablative laser.

They're apparently really, I haven't done lasers. So I'm just, this is from what I understand. They're good for surface level wrinkles, sun damage. They cause fibroblasts, which cause new collagen. I might not be saying that right, that they cause it, but you know what I'm saying? Ablative lasers have a lot of downtime because they're really intense. like maybe two weeks of looking creola bananas. There is a one thing that's part of the reason maybe that I avoid them.

And again, this could just be my takeaway. But because they use heat often, it can melt fat in your face. And melting fat in your face, in my opinion, makes you look old. So that's not my vibe. Non-oblative ones, I know are very popular. And I have a lot of friends that do them. They use more like infrared or fiber wavelengths. and like Fraxel is a really intense version.

Moxie and BBL are like lighter versions. They have basically no downtime from what I understand. They're like really good for, like BBL is really good for pigmentation and like sun spots and broken capillaries, like kind of pigment stuff. And Moxie is really good for like bad texture. But I think I think they both encourage like cellular turnover. and you probably need multiple treatments. I mean, all of these things, you are not one and done. Like, the only one and done, there's nothing that's one and done.

Like, even a facelift, you're going to have to eventually go get another one. It's just you buy yourself, like, probably, I don't know, a decade or two. Maybe two. As for microneedling, that's this one I'm more familiar with. Microneedling is, like, using tiny needles to create microinjuries on your skin. And these micro injuries, like, trigger your skin. Like, oh, my God, I'm wounded. Help!

I'm going to create. collagen and elastin to like heal. So it's sort of, you know, you produce more of your own collagen elastin. You can also pair mycordine with like various like juices and potions on top that get sucked into those tiny holes. A really popular one is PRP, which is the plasma that they pull from your blood. That's super healing. I've done that one.

It's awesome. And then there's another one which I recently started doing called Wharton's Jelly, which is stem cells that they take from umbilical cords. Who's in Bill of Course? None of my business. Just kidding. It's all very up and up and legal and ethical.

But those are, I find them to be awesome. They have less downtime, maybe like a week. It really just, I guess, depends what your goals are and what you're looking for. There is also a secret third thing,

which is called Softwave, which is like a high-frequency ultrasound technology that is incredible for reducing fine lines, wrinkles, like plumping back out your skin because it gets to a deeper part, so you produce collagen from a deeper area. It is very expensive and very painful. So depends what your budget is. Depends what you're after. But if it's more, I would say if you're looking for more surface level, like texture, pigmentation, go with a laser. And if you're looking

for more like plumping, filling out lines, in my opinion, I would do micronealing. Look at that. dermatology corner um okay next question this question's about physical media sean fantasy corner are you a vinyl girly question mark cd's question mark because that's question mark if streaming only is there any party that longs for the bygone days of holding an album in your hands just curious Travis thank you so much Travis this is sort of a double answer the answer is yes to all three I love physical media I love holding a thing in my hands I love owning them they remind me of a better time in my life and in history I

you guys I brought it for you I did bring it because I knew it would come up Are you even ready What I brought for you? Tiny violin It's here Ever since my house burned down I guess a year and a half now

I've like had to sort of We've gone through many phases One was like Let go like God babe Okay, all that stuff, it's gone, who cares? Move on. Because I had quite a sizable physical media collection. I had a lot of vinyl. I had a lot of tapes. I had a lot of CDs. And I sort of just like, you know, like I said, moved on. We said, okay, you know, grateful to be alive, grateful to have everything have in my life. It's so fine. And I wasn't really going to start another collection.

It just felt kind of daunting and felt maybe a little bit unimportant. But then like A, so many of you guys, and thank you, I assume the kind of people that sent me stuff are the kind of people still here after an extensive explanation of lasers versus microneedaling. But so many of you guys sent me so much amazing stuff, vinyl CDs, tapes, T-shirts, like, I was so touched. I know I've talked about this on here before, but like I cried every day for like two months going to that PO box and seeing the incredible. thoughtfulness that you guys had and just like how you're my kind of people you know what that kind of stuff means so I have been slowly rebuilding my collections and if anyone has any whole seven inches I'm looking for those but that's one half of the answer but the other answer is I don't ever listen to them I don't have

famously. I don't have a record player. As I've said before, one of my maybe more controversial opinions is that record players come and go with boyfriends. So I currently don't have a boyfriend or a record player. I, you know, I have a CD player in my car, but it's just so much easier to plug in my phone. And it's already plugged in because I have no sense of direction, so I need to be firing that weighs up. And I love cassettes. And I do have a Walkman, but like I just, it doesn't come up. Like, when would I use that?

So I don't listen to music in physical form, but I love to have it anyways. Okay, next question. This question is about another physical object near and dear to my heart t-shirts. This is from Izzy. Please tell us your top five T-shirts. that you still have or used to have. I was thinking band teas would actually kind of open to any and also drop three holy grail beauty products

because you're so hot and cool. Oh my god, Izzy, what a perfect question. Well, I'll do you one better. I know you said five, but I'm so sorry. I couldn't limit myself. And I'm just going to show you my faves. Actually, some of them I couldn't even find. Okay, this is not in any order,

but this is a dinosaur junior t-shirt. It's obviously a reprint, but I had one almost 99% exactly like this that my friend Albertina got me for my birthday that I loved so much. It fit perfect. It was thin. I love this album, Green Mind. And it was one of the greatest sadnesses in my house burning down. And then I somehow magically found almost the exact same vibe of a T-shirt at Jerks, which is. one of my favorite, favorite vintage band t-shirt and vintage t-shirt shops and online situations.

They're based in London, but they have a great online store, Jerks, London, you can follow them on Instagram. So this is near and dear to my heart. What else we got? Oh, yeah. Let's go. This is a real Holy Grail for me. It is a Portishead T-shirt.

Shout out my guy, Strip T-Tee. vintage in Manchester. Give him a fall on Instagram. He's awesome. What a great guy. He helped me procure this. And it is one of my prize possessions. And I absolutely love it. I have like a rule that I have for myself where I don't,

because these T-shirt prices, I don't know if you guys are up on this, but they're psychotic out there. Like people out here being like, here's a ride long. sleeve, it's $2,500. And it's like, okay, cool. That's, that's none of them. I could care less about that. I'm not spending $2,500 in a t-shirt. So I try a cap around $3.50, which is still a lot for a t-shirt, but, you know, it's one of my, my great passions. I wear, whatever I do, I end up wearing band t-shirts, like 80% of my life. Like, as much as I love fashion, and I do,

and I spend quite a bit of money on other fashion, I still just default to band t-shirts. That being said One time when I was on residual Xanax From a Transatlantic flight I did buy this Which is a primal scream t-shirt And it was more than that I don't think it was like a crazy amount more

It might have come out to about 500 There was a whole situation where perhaps I was not doing the pound to dollar conversion that well And also You know I was I was a addled, if you will.

But I don't regret it. I love this t-shirt. I wear it all the time. I love primal scream. It's really big, so it looks great with, like, you know, a little shorts or a little skirt or whatever. Okay. This would be a great time for you to be on, looking at this on YouTube. Because I'm showing the T-shirts.

If you're only listening to audio, I'm showing the T-shirts. This is a Husker-Doo, Metal Circus shirt. I absolutely love this shirt. I wanted to particularly shout it out because I had another one of this shirt that I got from a great vintage store in L.A. called Worship Vintage a long time ago, like 15 years ago. And I wore it so much that it was like decrepit. Like this, the screen was like starting to rip apart. And I think I mentioned it on an episode once and a listener. And I'm so sorry because I'm, I don't remember your name. You're a king. Was like, I have an extra. I'll send it to you.

So this is the extra. And I love it so much. I'm so happy to still have one. I actually have a great guy who will repair the damages and screens and stuff. And he's really cool. I'll try to find the Instagram so we can drop it in the show notes if you guys are curious. Or hit me up and I'll give it to you. But he's rad.

Okay. Next, speaking of shirts that people sent me, I barely ever wear this black flag t-shirt. It's like a black flag. I think it's from the 80s. I think it's an original 80s black flag, my war t-shirt. It is so thin. I'm genuinely like afraid to wear it. Like I think I've worn it once or twice on the show.

But I love it so much. It has holes starting to fall apart. But a listener sent this to me. And like this, like, a listener with incredible taste and cool as hell. I think these were his original t-shirts like he bought in real time. But it was this shirt, a fire hose t-shirt that I wear all the time. It's blue. But I couldn't find it to bring it.

And a replacement's t-shirt. And I just want to say thank you again for that. But I really cherish this t-shirt. Okay. You're like, oh, five? No, babe. I think I brought like 15. Sorry.

This was a cure shirt that I wanted for so long. It is It's all very You know Very colorful It's the in-between days t-shirt I think they look so cool With these

Scary colorful faces My I had one That tiny violin And then my dear friends Matt and Amanda bought me a new one after Tiny Violin Fire. So now it's like doubly special to me because it's just a reminder of my

amazing friends. Okay. This John, oh my God, I'm from Philly all of a sudden. Apologies. This is an old Slayer T-shirt from the Rain and Blood tour. It's the Clash of the Titans tour, but Rain and Blood era, 1991. This survived Tiny Violin because on my way out of the house when I grabbed like six things randomly. This was one of them. And I bought this on eBay in like 2005 or six and it was like $25 and that's what it used to be like before Travis Scott ruined vintage band t-shirts for everybody. You thought it was done but I'm not. You guys, happy Mondays. An original 80s. I think it's original 80s. Happy Mondays tour um rave, not tour shirt, rave on. I love this band so much. I love them even more after I did the two-part episode,

if you haven't listened, Happy Mondays and Stone Roses. I'm pretty sure my guy stripedee's vintage also helped me get this one. And related to that is my Stone Roses T-shirt that I love. I love a small, a small vintage band T-shirt. They're weirdly harder to find, but a hot tip for my smaller people and girlies. They are changed. cheaper because I guess people don't want them as much. But I love this shirt. I got this from some random vintage store in Atlanta online, but I love it. I wear it all the time. Okay, this one I want to give a big shout out to Jones Vintage, which is another amazing vintage dealer. My girl, she's rad. She gave me this. She is such a queen. I absolutely cried over it. It's a,

you guys already know how I feel about red hot chili peppers. You know, I have a red hot chili pepper's tattoo, you know, you know the vibes. And this is like a very old red hot chili pepper's shirt, like full sunbleached. I'm sure it was at one point actually black. It's got kind of this cartoon of the band on the front and then it has the logo on the back. Where do we have left? I only have two more left, you guys, okay? I love vintage band baby teas. Even harder to find. This is a PJ Harvey one. from stories from the city, stories from the sea. I fucking love this shirt.

It's a women's shirt. I think I got it on Etsy. I also had one before that had, it was from AHA Har's a white one that had the Polaroid on it. That's tiny violent, but I just, I love a, I love PJ Harvey's shirts. I couldn't find all the rest of mine, but I have quite a few because that's kind of one of the main shirts I collect.

Okay, and last month. not least. This is an OG green river shirt and it's like so old. The print is pretty much gone. A listener also sent me this and I love, I just love it. I love everything about it. I love how the print is barely there. I love the green color. It's kind of special given my proclivities around grunge music and them being the kind of patient zeros in a way of grunge. And there's a bunch I didn't bring because I couldn't find them, but it's really, you asked me to pick amongst my children, and it was too hard. But I hope you guys enjoyed that, that show and tell. Okay, and three Holy Grail beauty products.

Holy Grail. Like, what works the best? It's a great question. I mean, I think, I would say a red light mask. It's not really a product, but. I use a red light mask almost every day, and I, well, not every day because you're not supposed to, but probably like five days a week. I find them to be actually really effective. What else?

Some sort of thing to turn over your skin. Like I said, I use mandelic and azaleic acid. P50 from biologique is great. If you can tolerate it, try to know in. And the third one is sunscreen. Go wear sunscreen. Let's go to this next question. Hi, Yossi, long time, first time.

You've been an ever-reliable source of music recommendations, cultural insights, and interesting perspectives. Whether it's an artist, an album, a book, or story behind the music, you've introduced me to things I never would have found on my own. It got me wondering, who were the Yossi's in your life? I know you've mentioned Gina Arnold and Root 666 on this very podcast, but I'd love to hear the people, writers, musicians, teachers, friends,

or other influences who helped she, shape your taste, curiosity, and way of looking at the world? Who introduced you to new ideas or challenged you to think differently? I love this question. Who were the Yasus in my life? Well, I didn't think of them as such. One major influence on me in my life at a young age was my cousin, Sima. She was 10 years older than me.

She was so cool. She is still so cool. But she, you know, she had purple hair. She worked for Greenpeace. her roommate was a witch I thought she hung the moon and she was so awesome to me I don't know you know she

hung out with me even though I was a kid I was 12 she took me to Lollapalooza in 1995 we had the best time that's actually another shirt I should have brought but I think I that one is so tattered and in rags that I don't even want to like transport it anymore but we both bought T-shirts from that Lollapalooza in 1995

and obviously my tiny violin, but she gave me hers recently, and I cherish it. But she showed me a lot about culture, about what kind of person to be. She was such a good, is, again, such a good person. She had a lot of musical interests. And then later, she also had a boyfriend, turned husband, turned ex-husband, things happen, named Matt, who was also really into music. and I really remember bonding and browing with him over like, I think he showed me the pixies, definitely the Afghan wigs. There was like a lot of stuff that came via Matt that he was so cool.

He was like a born and bred Burbank, K-rock guy. So those are a couple of people. A lot of it for me did come from books because I was kind of, how'd you say, nerdy, solitary. I don't know a nerdy, but solitary. Like, I also had a good friend in middle school

named Fee who had these older cousins who were like super into punk and they put us on to like discharge and like, you know, it's like crust punk and stuff that I don't think I would have known about.

there's a lot of people I guess like being curious I haven't really talked about being curious on this episode and sort of move back to the earlier questions of feeling lost at 24 or 27 I think if you're curious like there are Yossis everywhere for those with eyes to see if you will

or your version, my version of Yosses if you're curious yeah I think you'll be led to different people that will show you. new things. Recently, Patrick Sandberg, my friend Patrick, he's always putting me on, he has exquisite taste, and he has incredible opinions, and he is really smart. And also, we don't always agree, but I love to talk to him about stuff because not only does it sharpen my own opinions having to sort of form them up against his. His like sort of like

owning his thoughts and and being self-assured has been so inspiring to me to like not second guess when I think something about music or a film or whatever because I, you know, it's always been hard for me to overcome being tentative and being like, I must be wrong, you know. So he's been a great, a great teacher to me in that way. Thank you, Patrick. All right. Hi, Yossi. First of all, I just wanted to say how much I love Bansplain.

Thank you so much. I'm going to skip this compliments, although I love them. One of the things I love most about your podcast isn't even the ridiculous depth of your music knowledge. It's your personality and especially your sense of humor. I feel like we have a similar sense of humor, which makes me think we totally get along, or at least be completely insufferable to everyone around us. So my question is, what's something you find absolutely hilarious, that you suspect most people

would find deeply unfunny? And if someone who knew you only from the podcast met you in real life, what would surprise the most about you? Okay, let's go to the funny thing. Thank you for thinking I'm funny. I mean, there's probably a lot of things, but one thing that came to, you know, to mind was me and my brother have a really similar sense of humor, and I'm sure that's a genetic thing. He found this clip, and it's very, I'm just looking at right now on YouTube, it has 1.8 million views.

If you want to look it up, it's called Just Normal, Innocent Men. It's from a, I think it's from like a morning show in England. and it's this woman who's like the commentator talking to a puppet that's a dog and I don't even know how to describe this but basically he just says to her I'm just a normal man I'm just an innocent man and I don't know why I find it so fucking funny me and my brother say it to each other all the time I'm just a normal man I'm just an innocent man um so that's an example of things I find really funny. One thing that maybe it's not exclusive to me is recently the Irish Zionism video by, oh my God, why am I blanking on his name? Can see his face,

Connor O'Malley, a king, a genius. That's one of the funniest videos I've ever seen in my life. So those are a few examples. Also, a film called Grandma's Boy. Me and my friend Alana have long been obsessed with this film, Grandma's Boy. We have watched it multiple times. There was a brief period where I lived with my parents. Actually, there's been several brief periods, including post-Tinev Island, but this was a long time ago. And we would call them my roommates. I'd be like, the roommates are asking that I stay home for dinner. So I recommend that. If someone who knew me only from the podcast met me in real life, what would surprise the most about you? Probably a lot of stuff. Probably a million things. Because

This is not, I mean, this is me, right? This is me. But it's also just one version of me. And I think there's probably a lot more going on than just podcast Yossi. Somebody asked if we were going to, there's a few programming questions. Are we going to do 90s soundtracks? The answer is yes. Probably not until next year.

We're going to keep doing a couple more 80s ones to close out this year. Okay, here is the last question. As the proud owner of a spruce times Louis Vuitton keep all, oh, I don't have mine over here, but it's over there. I bought one at the time in my 20s. I skipped meals to save up, good times. What are your fashion grails, the things you never stop thinking about looking for? This is from Tim.

Hi, Tim. This list is so long. I'm going to just try to rattle off some, but I have a lot. Okay, Carl Lagerfeld for Chanel made these clear patchwork, classic Chanel chain bags that I always loved, especially the pink and nude ones. They pop up from time to time, but because they're plastic, they didn't hold up very well. But I'm dying for one of those. I really do want another Stephen Spouse Louis Vuitton, probably like a speedy with hot pink. I've always wanted a Dior.

Dior did these pierced saddle bags, and I know it's like very on-brand. goth or whatever but I really loved those. I know it's like really basic bitch but I would always love to have like a beat up Birken. Not necessarily a new one but like a beat up Berkin would be sick as hell. Ermes Berkin. Those are some of my grales. I have so many more for contemporary stuff.

I really love the Phoebe Filo gig bag. I think it's so cool. There's an Hermes bag that's like a mini bucket bag that has like the colliered chin studs on the side. I think it's called the Mador. I'm obsessed with that bag. I think it's so cool. It's so impractical.

It fits like four things. It would fit my tiny violin in this errant kiwi that I found in my bag. But still I would love to have it. And also really love the new Matu Blasey Chanel stuff. In particular, there are these like pony hair classic Chanel ballet flats. They're like kind of, it's not leopard. It's like spotted pony hair. would do unspeakable things to get a pair of those.

That's it. This is, sorry, this is not a fashion podcast, but I really was excited to be able to answer that question because I do, though it's not readily apparent, I do actually deeply love fashion. And if any benevolent Medici-style patrons who are interested and invested in my personal fashion are listening,

I'm listening. I'm open. The DMs are open. Okay, I think that will close it out. We'll save the rest for another one. Thank you so much for sending all these questions in. Please stick around now because we're going to go right to my interview with the excellent Ice Age who also just announced tour dates. So take a look at those.

and enjoy this interview. You guys, what an absolute pleasure and delight for me to be joined right now by Elias Ronanfeld and Johann Veet of the band Ice Age. Copenhagen's finest. Thanks for coming on the posh. Thanks for having me, Hello, Yasi.

Hello. Johan doesn't remember, and that's so okay. But I met you guys like, I think it was 12 years ago now at Fun Fun Fun Fun Fest. It might have been more, right? Yeah, maybe. Fun, that's the one in Austin.

Texas, yeah. And you were with Shannon and Black Chris. Yeah, Chris, rest in peace. You must be here rest in peace. I think, yeah. And I was like, I guess I just didn't, it's not like I said around Googling your guys's ages or whatever, but I was like talking to someone and I was like, wait a minute, were they like 20 then?

Like, in my mind, you were my age because everyone's my age in my mind because I'm probably like self-absorbed or whatever. And then I was like, oh my God, they were like borderline teenagers because we've been doing this for so long. We started the band when we were 15 and 16 years old, and the first album we were like 17 and 18. You're like Minuto, like Scandinavian Minuto. Yeah, I mean, like last year it crossed the threshold where we have officially been doing the band more. Like if you chop it in half our lives, there's more ice-aged and not.

Yeah. Does that make you feel like proud or does that make you feel insane? Proud, I would say, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, insanity has been part of it, but yeah. I don't think that has to do with any. Yeah, that's not really insane. Not related to that. When you guys were like teens and you were forming this band, because I know you guys had like kind of like punk upbringing you hung out of punk house right in your neighborhood the youth was yeah we were yeah we were like squatty punk kids yeah when we were 11 12 or something did it ever like cross your mind like oh we're gonna be in a band and we're gonna do it for 20 years 100% not um I

think like the the wildest ambition we started out with was was getting something pressed on a seven inch right just like one piece of physical music out in the world. Yeah, like, I remember the first seven inch we did the EP. It got back from the press and we went to this office that Esch, the label that we still involved with had. And we were just like so agitated and like, hyped up that we were like, we were running around with like a BB gun around the office like shooting things and like um and made everybody a bit

unsettled i think but like and before that like yeah we've gotten from the press and like my record player was broken and like somebody else didn't have one and like i think we were like running around record stores like listen to it yeah yeah listen to it because uh yeah yeah and like we We had to go to like three record stores until we're like, yeah, fine, you put your record on. So we go like, um. It's like a scene in a movie. It's like such a good film scene, like kids running from a record store at records store. But we, yeah, we were just excited to like give that seven inch up to like 30 friends in Copenhagen.

Do you still feel that excited? And then first, I think the first thing that ever happened was some punk record store in Hamburg, Germany. Ordered like four coffees. And that was my. blowing to us. You were like another, someone in another country is going to hear us. Yeah, it's like over in Hamburg. Yeah.

But I remember like even from Stap, when we, our friend Peter was going to pay for it, he came, we were, we were at a, we were at this like youth club, that's where our rehearsal space was at. We pretended to be members. Yeah, we scammed them. And we were a bit too old to be members and it was like, because it was like preschool kids would like, like, It was like nine-year-old boys and you're like, no, no, we're a boy scouts. We used to be members of that youth club and then we needed a rehearsal space, we scammed ourselves to be like still members in order to like get into the rehearsal space.

And then we invited our friend Peter and he was 50 at the time. And then and he came and watched us rehearsed and he was like, he's a legend. And he's a complete legend, yeah. He's like such a hero to all of what he paid. Is it Peter Peter? Yeah, yeah, he put him, so he did him, his first punk band. He's like a mentor. Totally.

Yeah, yeah. But yeah, he came down to the youth club and the guy who worked there. And he was like, how old are you? And he was like, I'm 16, whatever. He said he was 16, 50 four years old. Yeah, and we were like, and then they were like, you go, you're an adult, man, you can't be his kids here. And we're like, no, but he's a legend and like, maybe he's going to like record a where this man has got to go right now.

We're calling child protective services. He's out of here. And then Peter came and he saw and he was like, yeah, yeah, let's go do this seven inch and he paid for like a day in the studio. And we were really excited. I remember like three hours in the studio. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we recorded one.

He could, he, because we had done one recording, like, just a shitty ghetto blasted recording and we were already going to his studio. We were producing like, he did the pusher to soundtracks and stuff and he had like a small studio where he was doing like movie music and we all started like skipping school and just go hang with him yeah it was really close to our school since we were like 12 you know and and and we'd always leave there and he'd like burn CDs with like showing you like John Waters and Larry Clark films and like weird like horror movie shit and like um and Lissomontu

records and like so he it was just like the best thing to go there and like skip school and just watch him like bicker with the guy who was doing music with and like um you get to play his guitars he has a very light connection like this is like pre being able to like just go look anything up on the internet you had this like person curating what was being put into your like mind with like these films and music and stuff yeah and we were already like really interested in like Like the library, the record shops and early pirates, besides like soul seek. Sure.

Like just looking for like garage, the soul records, or whatever, you know. Yeah. Giving yourself your computer at your parents' house a virus so you could get your song. Yeah. We've all been there. Okay, I want to start with two questions.

Number one, I need to talk about how, I think it was you, unless you were making this up. And if you made it up, that's fine. That you lived one of my dreams. You rescued an injured crow. Oh, like that, yeah, I just did that, like, thing where you're on a phone on a bridge, yeah. Was that a short story you made up, or did this really happen? Because it really happened, didn't even talk about it. No, that's true.

That's like me and my friend Anton from my old neighborhood. I mean, like, I don't really want to retell this story. You don't have to. I just told it for the internet. You need to go look. You need to go look on Elias' Instagram. If you're like myself interested in, I've like spent years trying to befriend the crows in my neighborhood because I'm very interested in crows. And I was just very struck by this story.

But yes, just TLDR, they took it in and it became their friend and they walked around town with it on their shoulder. And it just was a striking image and I'm very jealous. Yeah. But crows are hard to get to. Like the last year or so I've been quite into pigeons. And the pigeons didn't turn out as like romantic as the crow story did. Well, in a sense, like it did, the two pigeons that move in on my balcony and then they had three babies. And there was five pigeons on my balcony and then they had two more.

So there was seven. but I had to be a victim in the end because it got like crazy. But yeah, I was reading about crows as well. And I think like if you want to get tight with the crows, like you really got to put in the work and be dependable. Like you want to be able to like be there every day at the same time. Right. Yeah, because they're so smart. It's not a good for a touring musician.

Yeah, for you you can't really have that long-term relationship with the crowd. I understand. Okay, so we were talking a little bit earlier. You guys have been in a band together for a long time. Same people. I mean, I know you added an extra member in 2019, not extra a new member. I was wondering, like, so many bands that stay together for this long feel like it's like a prison, you know?

Like, they end up hating each other or they feel stuck or it becomes, like, business or transactional. It seems from what I've read about you guys and just, like, observed, like, it's obviously not like that for you guys. you're still close friends, family. Does it, I guess I have two questions. One is like, is there like something that you feel like you guys do or you approach the band that keeps that energy constant through these years?

I mean, for one, nobody has ever forced us. We've driven the band into financial ruin on multiple occasions, you know. There was never a financial incentive. You're not you two that has to like stick it out. No, it's like it's kind of like our doing. But I guess then my follow question would be like, does it feel to you this band like a constant in a sense that like life is so chaotic and so much change happens, especially in 20 years of your life?

Does this one thing at least feel like it's a through line? Like you have this like one steady thing that is the same throughout your life. Obviously it's changed and metamorphized with like how the band has evolved, but it's still ice age. We have had periods, you know, long periods of not being productive, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, well, we've been active because even though there hasn't been a record in, what, four years, five years, yeah.

We've still built, we've been to the rehearsal space and we've played shows here and there. So, you know, it's not like we haven't been out of touch at any point with playing music in the room together. So that has been a constant for, yeah, 17 years. And then, you know, we still talk on the phone multiple times a week, see each other. You know, it's, you know, it started out before music. just, you know, friendship. And I think, I think that's like a key, the key to why it's, you know, it's been like this. And we've been able to keep it going.

You know, we grew up together, we grew up, like, learning about music and being interested in music and being interested in the world. And we motivated each other and showed each other things. And that has been a constant, you know, we keep doing that still. Do you guys have a group job? Multiple. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you have like a couple that you're like, oh, Dan's not in this one. Jacob's not in this one.

No, but that's one for like the practical shit and the stupid shit. Right. Yeah. Right, like business, business ice age. This business and that business. Then there's one just for memes. We're not that big of memes. No, not a meme band.

But we will talk a lot of... An endless amount of shit. Just deeply idiotic, rambling. rambling for sure but no like it it yeah it's it's been sort of a constant but you you move through faces and like there's been times through like the last 15 years that like you know people have been going through rough spots or like it's it's a trial to to keep everything on track and then there's times when we don't really know where to

go creatively and it takes a minute to for us to like all come in sync with the epiphany of direction and and

but it seems like as things move like the tectonic plates will all shift and then like there's like a path or something right like it always kind of reveals itself. Yeah. Yeah. To amazement, it reveals itself every time. Yeah. Yeah. That's very cool. Well, I'm glad it did this time because I'm obsessed with this album. I don't want to

like play it cool with you guys. I've been an Ice Age truther for a long time and Icy. What do you guys call your fans? Do you have a name? We don't. What do you think I see? I think it's a good one. Since obviously when you were quite young and me and Blackcress were running in the streets. Oh, also you know who is there's the black lips. my dogs, my loves. This album reminds me a little, it's a little black lipsy. Not that you sound like them,

but there's like, there's like elements of like things that I love about the black clips that show up in this album that I was like, oh, I love that like, that feeling that, especially because I met you with them, but I know you guys are friends, right? Yeah, and we were listening to the black clips and we were like, yeah, 14 as well.

Yeah, yeah. Because they have that like classic garage America thing, like kind of dialed, you know, from the beginning. I really admire that you guys do this thing or like you don't replicate your sound and that you're not

afraid to like take these huge leaps from like album to album. Like particularly like I know people have talked about it a lot but like plowing into the field of love was like this like big departure is like the most annoying word but you know what I mean? Like people are like oh god wow they sound like this now and then you were like

oh guess what bitch? This is Sikh shelter we sound like this now And I think that's like, I guess like I was wondering, do you feel that's a necessity to not stagnate? Do you feel any, I often feel a weird pressure in just life that like people really don't want you to be more than one thing because it challenges their idea of what they've figured you out and placed you in. And it's quite difficult to like break out of that. Is that ever a thought that crosses your mind? I mean, like, especially with the first three records, it's like almost kind of hard to explain now in hindsight how pissed off people were. Right.

Every time a new record came out, like it was like we whatever sort of like fan base we had conglomerated, like we just chopped that in half for each record. They were like, you betrayed us. And then build up from there, you know. And it wasn't really like this super calculated, oh, let's really surprise people. But I think it was like the driving force to progress and do it at a pretty high pace. Yeah. Because also like we got catapulted and frung into this pretty. manic media attention.

Very early, right? You guys were like Vice Band of the Top 20 Band of the Year or whatever like after your first album. I'm making that up, but it's something like that. And the music media was really doing like everything that is, especially like the way the music world

back then what you would call like the hype machine. It was very like blog driven. at that time too like online blog driven and and i don't think we entered that world with like kind of like um any intention of of playing that game yeah or even knowledge that the game is even there yeah i don't think i don't think i got it yes yeah so we were pretty perplexed about of um

a lot of the things we were launched head first into and and and um and we were also some wild boys and we were also I think quite protective because we didn't really fully know what we were doing but we knew that it was something that mattered to us and to sort of lean into all these voices in a world

that went from being Copenhagen to being a lot bigger we kind of had to have our guards up and while we were also kind of like developing as young men. Right, your frontal cortex wasn't formed yet. Yeah, and so I think like maybe some of that like growth were propelled, but it was also natural to our course or discourse. But everybody in a whole media landscape trying to tell you your particular thing.

Right. Like we just wanted to break all those. You're the second coming of the birthday party or whatever and you're like, okay, thank you so much.

Yeah, thank you so much. I mean, it's kind of like being a child star. You guys are like child stars. Yeah, in a real, in a really weird way.

Yeah. Except instead of Hollywood, it was pitchfork. Yeah. The child stars was a pitchfork. Well, I think, I mean, it's still admirable that like,

I think many less, I don't want to say principle, that's not really the right word, but less like, sure people probably would have succumbed to some of that attention or succumbed to, like, trying to re-create it every time. Like, oh, well, they loved, you know, album one, we were vices, top-to-and-whatever, like, we better, like, you know, we don't want to lose that, we're going to make it again, and it doesn't seem like you guys did that. I think it became apparent to us, like, not that long into it, like, that there was a whiff of, like, okay, maybe this thing about making records is really interesting to us, and maybe that's something that in the grand scheme of things could be like a thing that could spiritually sustain us in life.

So I think we had somewhat of a gut feeling that, like, okay, this is actually like a long game for us. And if somebody's saying this or somebody's saying that, like, well, maybe they'll all shut up one day because, yeah, I haven't seen nothing yet. Right, we'll show them. Also, you kind of bet the farm on it, right? You guys dropped out of high school, so it's not like you were going to go become engineers or whatever. No, that was not. You are. I finished.

I finished high school. You're like, excuse me. I agree. Thank you very much. With a non, like, no, non-existent. Are you a teacher? I teach music in different in different settings. Yeah.

Yeah. For children? Amongst other things. Amazing. That's very cool. I think we were also just really confident in, ourselves and what we were doing. So it was, you know, no one was going to tell us anything.

Yeah. Not in a careerist way at all. No, no, just like we know we'll burn the ship to the ground that's needed, but like... But we'll do it while we do exactly what we want to do and how we want to do it. And yeah. Yeah, I guess if I was like, if I had your guys' talent and cheekbones and like cool clothes, I also, no one can tell me shit. I'd be like, I got those men.

Yeah. But I didn't, I didn't have any of those things. Yeah, it's not a question. It's the cheekbones to do. The cheekbones do a little bit of heavy lifting, okay? You get, like, let's give them, let's take our hats off to the cheekbones. It's a beautiful DNA you have,

and I just think you shouldn't turn your back on it. It came from your parents, and you should be happy about it. No? No. Is this not what your other interviews are like? Nobody talks about your cheekbones. No, I think it's the first mentioning of the cheekbones. I tried to get Jacob to come because randomly, I was at his wedding.

Right, yeah. And at the roof and skit roll? At the roof and skit row. And I was like, I just think it's very, of course. I wasn't there, which is. You were not there. Maybe that's why we don't really know each other. Yeah.

And it's always just hilarious to me. I'm like, why was I at the guy from Ice Age's wedding? and it was just like a friend of a friend who was like close with the now ex-wife. And I was like, just always will have that in my heart and memory that I was at the wedding and skidro. Did he get remarried? Is that a second one? The marriage didn't last. That I know.

That I'm aware. She came with the new divorce papers backstage some years ago. But they're in good terms. Yeah, that's kind of sick, honestly. I think it's really sick to have several marriages in your life. I think it's glamorous. Yeah, I'm not sure if that was, that's probably the one. He's, he's in a, you know, a happy relationship.

But, yeah, that was, there was a mad wedding. It was, it was fun. Okay, let's talk more about the album, less cheekbones. Can we talk about the title? Yeah. Okay. For the Love of Grace in hereafter. So that is, am I correct, a Shakespeare Hamlet reference.

Yeah, the first part. Are you a big Shakespeare head? In recent years, I've read like a bunch of Shakespeare. The last solo album I did was littered with Shakespeare references, and then I just wasn't able to stop that for this record either. Just a head full of Shakespeare? Yeah, I think it's just kind of like, I've been always lyrically...

drawn to a language that is too dense and too ripe and like almost like it's it's kind of like yeah that I mean like that there's the there's like a deliciousness to to the the the over saturated drama of it you know like like there's a cruel humor humor to it and And I mean, I always adopt people like Leonard Cohen, for example, and people who... Fellow poet. And like people who are not too sparse or economic with the language. Like, I've always kind of were drawn to putting way more than necessary syllables within what the song we're asking for. Yeah.

in almost like a perverse way of trying to humor myself in what I felt like I could get away with. Oh. Yeah. I know it's always been something that gave me like a little spark of joy if I felt like I could inject something into a song that felt like it almost wasn't supposed to be there. Right. Yeah. and so I haven't, I won't like totally bore with it, but I have a whole list of my favorite lyrics here

and we can just touch on a few of them. But I like, I think people do themselves a disservice if you're a nice age fan. I mean, sick guitar riffs, babe. Sick riffs. But also incredible lyrics. And like, it's like worth looking them up since you can and like listening along because I just think like,

it's exactly what you were describing as Shakespeare. Like, they are like so. full, these words, they're like, almost like all these round, like, the way things are described is like in an elevated sense that, and also not just elevated, but in like an unexpected sense, which I think it's fine. I like songs, too, when you hear, like, when you can predict the next lyric because that's also fun. That's like how pop music is written.

But it's also so awesome when you're listening to a song and you're like, oh, I would never have thought that that would be the next lyric. or like I've never even heard that phrase like these turns of phrases um well I guess with the Shakespeare but like have you always been like a super heavy reader not say like um like I started getting like more more into um this a show when around after the first record um I mean I've been reading things I I hated it in school Like everything they made me read. I didn't care for and many things.

I've found later on my own hand and I like it now, but like I just wasn't good with school. You don't want to be told what to do, it seems. I hated poetry because it felt like it was like a thing where they kind of made you do all the work and having to read everything into each sentence and break it up and like, um, But yeah, I think like 12, 13, that Peter Peter and his band, so we talked about before, that first record was called Minutes to Go. I borrowed a book about them on the library, and I read that it was the title Minutes to go was taken from William's borrers.

So I go back to the library and I steal a book of his and then... Wouldn't they just let you borrow it? and then that will library. I think I wanted it. I wanted to own it. And there was like a short story called Blade Runner. Not the same stories to movie. Yeah.

But something happened around when I was like 18 or something where I kind of could, I found write books or something and that really like propelled me in a direction to, that fed into ISH and the lyrics. where suddenly lyrics went from something you just kind of had to write because like people don't like instrumental you know and then it became this this more sort of like oh what can you actually do with language and for the first records we all pitched in with

lyrics like i think even even on some of the plowing stuff you wrote the total drench lyric No, that's done. Is it then? Yeah, I wrote some of, uh, remember, I think. And that's, yeah, that's right. And some other, sometimes if I hear it, I'm like, oh, I think who did this? But like, and even up until plowing. You sure you did so, don't, no, that is done.

I guarantee you. Yeah. And I think even up to plowing, we were still pitching in because it was like, oh, shit, we have to we have to do, we have to have lyrics for this. And then you got more enveloped in it when plowing came, when we were doing plowing. Yeah. Then it kind of became a thing where it was more difficult to have. Multi-gling viruses.

So that's, from what I understand is, and maybe this is how you've always done it, you guys write the music first, and then you come back and put the lyrics on top. Yeah. I'm always kind of writing, but not with songs in mind. And then I kind of have all these notebooks that become this sort of library of a place where I can steal from myself. And then yeah, yeah. I mean, and this has kind of been the tradition or the method that I don't start writing lyrics

for an album until the... studio date is set and I'll start quite shortly before so I just build up like a massive risk of things becoming shit or you perform very well under pressure yeah yeah something might be something like that you need a deadline at the end so then when you're writing the music is there like ever like an emotional kernel that it's like Like are you guys ever like, oh, we want to write like an upbeat like spiritual song or whatever? Or it's just like however it comes together, it comes together. It's never vocalized like that.

I think it's a temperament. Yeah, it's a temperament. And then you can, you know, then when you work, when you dive into it and you kind of you have, you have like you're building a skeleton and you're fleshing it out, you know, then then you can go like, oh, you know, this is how, this is how it should. should be or this is how it should it be but but like there's never anything it's never like let's go write this type of song you know yeah yeah and after a record like there might be a period that's a bit dry and we try out of deers and they're fine they might even be pretty damn good but they're not they're not keeping you awake at night and they're not showing more and then you eventually you tap into something that once you try it out in the rehearsal space it's like

like it's some kind of like collective epiphany and like you leave the rehearsal space kind of elevated with your arms in the air and like you did the shit iPhone memory recording you've made like before you get on your bike to go home everybody hey remember sent that iPhone recording yeah like and um and you listen to it on repeat at home and it's like the the brain is already like kind of like churning and it's like oh god that should be like half as long but then we need something there that's not discord and like and then like something is rolling and then if that sort of like automatic like involuntary progress has started where where you can't just like the mind just wants to complete this whether you want it or not then okay then then we have a

direction. That's how you know that you've like stumbled into the place that you're meant to be. Yeah, yeah. And then you can have nights where you work on things and then and you work on it another night, but it doesn't represent, you know, it doesn't, it doesn't reveal anything more. It doesn't show anything more. It's like might as you say might be like, there might be a good, a good thing, but it just doesn't. And sometimes there's, there's working progress. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Processes to go through before you for sure. Yeah. But yeah. But yeah. Yeah. But when we start rolling, then it starts rolling.

And then we don't really talk all that much, then it just kind of snowballs. Right. It's just you guys are all kind of locked into the same like. Yeah. And then someone has trouble with something like, you know, finding their way. And sometimes it takes me a second, you know, or someone else like what's going to happen here. But then, you know, but it always, it always works out. Yeah.

I mean, I think this record was probably the most. talked about in terms of direction and there was very sparse. There was not much beyond like, we wanted things to be faster. And the song shouldn't be too much longer than three minutes. That was kind of like the... That was the main two. That was like the main two, yeah, that was like the two dogmas I think that we work with. Yeah.

And then it seems like that just kind of gave way to like more buoyant songs. I mean, the songs are quite like, you know, like they have a lift to them. Like when I listen. There's a pep to it. Yeah, there's a pep in the stuff of the songs. Yeah. Yeah, like very jumpy. Yeah, like the new concerts.

They're jumping. Yeah, yeah. People are jumping. When we play. I had to jump so much. Yeah, it's kind of like, what you got to do with these new songs. I started moving in a different way when we play these songs too. And then when we were in the rehearsal space, it was really.

clear. It's this record. This is the kind of record that this is and then moving into the studio. It was like, we know how to do this. Like this is, yeah. This will be, it won't be easy, but we can do it and we can do it exactly the way we want to.

Yeah. Yeah. I think this is the time I felt the most clear about what we were going in with. Yeah. And also probably the most sort of prepared we've ever been. Yeah, yeah. And probably also the least messy.

For sure. Yeah, yeah. I guess I wonder then, like, given, I believe it's all, I believe all music comes from God, but we don't have to get into all that. But the idea that you stumble into this, like, vein, right? And they're like, oh, we're locked down in the vein. And then you go back to your notebooks, right? and when you're plucking out

lyrics to like kind of help you know maybe place them in the song or maybe like give a direction are you trying to match them tonally like are you like oh this song gives me this feeling so like let me see like what I have in here that like embodies that feeling of this song or is it more like it needs to fit into this like measure or whatever Well, I think subconsciously, like when you're building a collection of songs like that, it's like, it's playing into some ground feeling of where you're situated in life.

Right. Which is where all your notebook came from as well. Even though you don't know what you're writing a record about yet, like there's a total correspondence in the music and what ends up being the lyrics. And yeah, it's never been a case of like, oh, what can I make up that would fit the mood of what you've come up with. Like there's always been a perfect marriage of any given life situation and what it sounds like. Because it's all coming from the same place. I suppose, yeah. What does grace mean to you? Oh, you thought I was only going to ask about cheekbones?

No, I ask real questions too. I think with with with with with with with ad work and with and with titles I think it means different things to all of us. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. I think I think like in terms of this record and stuff like it's it's kind of like a thing you can earn but also allow yourself. And um. And a lot of this record is about, you know, having lived through a lot and also emerged through a lot.

A lot of these things that perhaps is hard earned. Like a lifetime of beatings, you mean? Exactly, yeah. And I think like, yeah, especially when life is hard and you get used to it. And perhaps it's a thing that you can come to a place where you can allow yourself a bit of levity. Yeah. Finally. Yeah.

I guess that's, it's funny that you say that because I feel like the The thing that resonates for me the most in this album is like kind of that exact feeling of like, it's almost like, I mean, also, obviously, art is just like interpreted by its audience and that's, it goes and lives there and that's how they see it. But like, just like it's very much like, yeah, life fucking sucks. Life is going to beat your ass to shit. But that's beautiful. But guess what? You get to keep going on the other side and then there's beauty, you know, and you get to continuously come out the other side. And it's every time there's going to be a new, a new experience after life's beat your ass. For 100%, you get it. Yeah. And that's how it feels because there's a hope. There's like a hope baked in, but it's not saccharin and it's not like, you know, it's not like smoothing it over.

It's just being like, yeah, like it's this, but it's also this. And I think that's like, that's so much of what also grace ties in for me too. It's like grace is like just allowing things to be. Yeah, and it's like, it's not a record that represents like maybe having worked through some things and like being in a place that is perhaps beyond the past places. Right, like not arriving as being this kind of like permanent state of catars. Well, this is permanent state of like permanent state of grace for example. But like it's kind of like, well, life is always a cacophony of things that strides and go against each other. And it just presents a different kind of chaos.

Or maybe like perspective gives you a different way to experience it, right? Because I mean, you guys are in your 30s now. Like it's there's like there's art that you make when you're in your 20s and there's art that you make when you're in your 20s. and there's art that you make when you're in your 30s and it's impossible to make the same kind of art I think because you've And you shouldn't But you shouldn't but you have perspective

You've been beat down by life and seen multiple times that like oh wait I came out the other side And like something good kept happening And like it'll probably keep happening Okay I have a specific question Yeah I'm sorry You're like yeah I know I wrote it

Star which I love so much Why, what is the end refrain, Lushana? Is that about the museum and how it's about, the guy had three wives named Louise and he named it after her? Spilled differently. Oh, it is, okay, because on the genius.com, you guys, and you know, change it. Yeah, I mean, I, or is that a name? Yeah, it's just the name I made up for what I'm singing about.

Or is it being like, it just, um, it just sounded kind of good. It sounds great. And then I've kind of had my own way of pronouncing it, but it sounded better than the proper one. But it's not about the state. It's just kind of like... Or the museum. My favorite museum. And certainly not about the museum, but yeah, it's just a made up name with a made up pronunciation.

There was a couple of names run through like when we were in the rehearsal space. Yeah. Names came up through songs. There's real names, but they didn't sound as good as Lushana. That sounds so good. Well, it doesn't have to me anything. Sounds good. I was just, I'm glad because it led me down this rabbit hole where I realized that the man who first owned that property that became the museum, had three wives and they were all named Louise.

I had no idea. Is that not his name? Three wives. All named Louise. I never heard about anybody having a type. There was a name before. A name. It's crazy.

Nominites of Germanism. That's kind of, yeah. Okay, just because I've spent like six months of my life in Madonna World because I did a series of Madonna. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Is True Blue at all like a slight, was it even in your mind, Madonna? No. No, okay. Even the name.

There's quite a few songs named True Blue. Yes, of course. Yeah, even at Dirty Beach is a fucking killer one as well. Oh, Alex. And we made a cover. Yeah, he's a good friend. He's incredible. To be taught with Dirty Beaches quite a bit back in the day.

Um. Does he live in? But is that, is that, uh, Is that the same Madonna era? It's like Catholic era? Just before. It's the album just before Catholic era, like a prayer.

Yeah. Yeah. But no, it wasn't a direct nod. Maybe perhaps a subconscious. Close to Nirvana, Horan Madonna is. Oh, yeah, it's a name as well. It's true.

Yeah, I hadn't thought about that either. There's a lot, I mean, I think you're quite a gothic band for lack of a better, I mean, just like in, like, visually represented and Scandinavian in general is such a Gothic place, but there's so much reference to spirituality and religion and lyrics all throughout, but definitely on this. Is that on purpose? Like, is this just part of your, I mean, Leonard Cohen also a very... It seems you can't really help it. You can't help talking about the Lord's Prayer. Like, from pretty early on like the religious secondary. a chronography and sort of like boring from from from from that to to make sense of like whatever predicament I was trying to describe was just like a tendency and and

there's been times where I kind of tried to like stay away from that tendency right not succeeding that well and then on this record I just did not try and stay away from that at all yeah yeah I don't I mean I don't think you need to think it worked quite well I think it's you know I think people are sometimes made uncomfortable by it but it's like it's like one of the oldest and greatest myths you know like it there's a reason that it's strong figurative language yeah it perpetuates our language for a real reason no we we don't we don't shy away from religion that's for sure you know what else you didn't shy away from that it was absolutely screaming I don't just say

hashtag Aleh not many men know about the old pregnancy test that you had to kill a rabbit well the rabbit would die regardless but you had to inject the rabbit with the urine of the woman to see it was yeah yeah yeah yeah that all expression yeah miss the period so the rabbit's dead man I kind of wondered if anybody was going to get that I didn't know that yeah yeah missed the period so the rabbit's dead I was just like what the what that's really archa like it's a I think it's from like the 30s or the 20s it was like the one of the first ways they knew how to do pregnancy test they would take the urine from the seemingly if maybe pregnant woman and because it has the HCG it would change the rabbit's ovaries oh right and then they would have to kill it and do an autopsy and that's how they could isn't that nuts? I didn't I mean not many people know about it but I like it struck me right away and I was like okay yeah I mean like the song kind of you know tells a story about pregnancy in a harsh environment and like that yeah speaking of what you can get away with that was a

I felt like there was a neat expression to drop yeah I enjoyed it do you guys have I know I think I read this and you don't seem like people who have favorites but so now that you've been playing a lot of the songs like do you have a favorite to play or do you kind of is it all just clocking out at the song factory. Huh? Do you have a favorite song to play when you play live? Well, I mean, ever since the record came out, we've been, like, all the shows we've been doing, we've been playing the record from the start to finish.

Oh, thank God. And then we do like all the songs for a longer encore, but like we haven't really been, I mean, we're still so ecstatic about this record. Like, it feels great to us. Yeah, because you made a really fast, right? It's really fast, right? I know people have talked about a lot, but like you insist on kind of like, we're recording it fast and we're putting out with fast. It was a big, quick turnaround.

But for now, like, it seems like the only right thing is to play it front to back because it's like, that's what we are right now. And it's the, and that's the first time that we felt about that, about a record, like playing a record that where, I mean, if we, if you talked about doing that with Seek Shelter, like, oh yeah, let's go and play. like that never never yeah yeah every other we had a diversion we had a diversion

yeah we didn't play for more than like twice and we're like well that song's not for life of fuck yeah yeah yeah yeah well I think

it makes sense to me because again I love all your albums but I think some of the other albums are like an experience it's like a journey

that you're going on and it has like highs and lows and some parts are challenging and something you know you climb the mountain you come down the mountain but this album not that it's like simplistic but like it feels like it came like fully formed like a listen to it start to finish because it's like one experience so it makes sense and there's and there isn't you kept it short you kept it punchy so there aren't parts like were it like lulls in a way that

maybe would make the live show hard yeah that was kind of the i think that we wanted to be this fucking banger yeah the most the most lullie part is Probably true blue. Yeah. And that's the end. Perfect. Wrap it up. Yeah.

I think we talked about like, oh, how should we do this? Should we? Should we mix it up? And I was like, nah, fuck that. This would, it was made to be played like this. Yeah. I can't wait. I guess I have one or two last questions and then I'll free you into the world.

Johan, do you have other side music projects? Yes. Yes. but nothing anyone's heard in a long time yeah i'm making i'm making some scores for like some films oh amazing you've been doing various like live constellations that's been like live pieces that's so cool yeah and i played a lute concert lute yeah like that oh wait this is a this is a pipe yeah i'm thinking of the pipe piper oh lute is like this okay i don't know about music i don't know how he's job and he did a flute concert

I don't need a flute concert. Yeah, I've done different things. How many instruments can you play? I can act like I can play quite a few of them, but it's, you know, yeah, I'm faking it. But I have quite a few, yeah. Do the other members of Ice Age also have side musical interests and projects? Yeah. Dan has a killer band with his brother where they both play drums.

Oh, sick. I love double drum bands. Like the O-C is, so sick. What is it called? Thicket. Thicket. Yeah. Yeah, it's usually just the two of them, but it's like a force of nature when they play together.

And it's like, I think that they have like some elements that are planned, but a lot of it's improvisation. But it sounds like it's sort of like more composed that it is because they just have this brotherly hive mite synergy thing. And they're such beasts when it comes to like playing in each their own respect. So it's kind of a ground-shaking thing to witness. That sounds amazing. Jacob running a construction company, but does he make time for some music? He's been to touring and painting quite a bit more than music. I think he's toying around with different stuff.

And Casper has less win. That's a long-going group. Casper is older than you guys. Casper's like closer to my age. He's a few, a few, yes, young, older. And he also, Casper's also a very, very gifted flamingo guitar player. Whoa. Yeah. Is he Spanish?

Half. Half. Yeah. That's sick. Okay, so a lot going on with you guys. Obviously, Elias can't sit still for two seconds. When we asked him to be in the band, he was in a state of set. I think he had told himself that he had abandoned rock music forever and was just going to be

Flamingo from now on, but then he reconsidered, thankfully. He was like, okay, for you guys, I guess I can do it. Elias, you've obviously famously made two solo albums, plus the album with Dean Blunt, which we loved to hear on this podcast. Me and Chris Ryan and my colleague both put it in our top ten of last year, obsessed. Do you ever, and you wrote your book of poetry, which may it rest in peace, burned in my house fire. We don't have to talk about that.

I didn't bring my tiny violin, you guys, so we don't have to play it right now. I can purchase another one. I was just like looking. This happens every time where I'm like, I'm like, oh my God, I'm going to go grab the poetry book to bring to it. And I was like, God damn it. But I went to a reading and it was nice, very lovely to hear just the reading. Clearly you have like a deep well of productivity of the creative essence. But like are there even other avenues that you have.

that you have an interest in creating with them that you haven't, like, dance, I don't know. You know, like, ballet. Like, um, we hopefully, hopefully, hopefully. You guys all seem really into film and then you're scoring films. Yeah, yeah. We just went to the screening of a film that used our song, Vendetta. It's called our hero, Beltaire. Oh, cool.

Where they used to both in the scene and for the credits. That was quite cool to- That's amazing. to have it be purposed within like a story like that. But I mean, hopefully, you know, like, like, you know, our interests are all quite wide-spanning. And, but I just hope to see, you know, the unknown of the future to be littered with a bunch of curveballs.

Totally. Things you can't even expect. We'll fucking see. And it probably will be. That's how it. goes. Okay, last, last question. What's going on in Copenhagen music scene right now? I'm in a massive loss for youth fan. That's my dogs. Love them. I've only been to Copenhagen once, and I was there by myself for a weekend, and God bless Hanas. He was like, I'm bartending. You could

come sit with me, and I'm just like sat with him in his bar. But like, and then there's a couple of newer artists that I've gotten into, like Hecht is really cool. Do you guys know that? Hect. It's like an electronic artist. I don't know. You might like it. He put out, I think it's, I think it says, how do you spell that? It's H-E-K-T. Oh, okay.

Yeah, it's very cool. And then Erica Dicassier. Yeah, she's great. She's great. Like, what's the vibe? Like, what, because you guys all live there still, right? There's a lot of people doing cool shit these days, and it feels like it's, there's like, I don't know, like, you know, things go and, like, there's a common feeling of a lull,

and then things feel sprawling. But there's a lot of people doing interesting stuff, you know. Nadia Tejan did a really cool record that's not out yet. And Erica's great. Soli City just did a cool record. Halo Plus is killing it. And Feene is writing such good songs. And the list kind of goes on.

Okay, I'm looking tall and I'm so excited. Are you guys like the Peter Peter now of Copenhagen? You're the 50-year-old Ben better. He's still the raining. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks so much for coming on the pod and chatting with me about your cheekbones

and also some of the music. Thanks for having us. Okay, come back next week for a new episode of Bansplaine. If you liked what you heard today, subscribe for more episodes of Bansplaine. Our guest today was me, Yossi Solic, and also the Bansplane. band Ice Age. This episode is produced by Rob Sunderman and edited by Adrian Bridges with help

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