Bandsplain - The 1992 Music Draft

Episode Date: December 22, 2022

To wrap out the year and our first season at The Ringer, we thought it would be fun to do our own cute little draft. So here it is, The 1992 Music Draft, in which Rob Harvilla and Chris Ryan join Yasi to decide what the best albums, rap songs, rock songs, pop songs, wild cards and music videos of 1992 were. The choices herein may shock even the most passionate of heads. You can follow Rob Harvilla on Twitter @harvilla and Chris Ryan on Twitter @ChrisRyan77 Thanks for listening this year, we’ll see you all back here in 2023 for more episodes of Bandsplain! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's with this band anyway? I don't get it. Can you please explain? Wait, like, Bansplain? Hello and welcome to Bandsplain. I am your host, Yossi Salick. This is usually a show where I invite an expert guest on to explain a cult band or iconic artist to me and to you. But today, this is a show where I invited the two most beloved men in America, Christopher Ryan and Robert Harvilla, on to do a a draft of music in 1992 in accordance with the customs and cultures of my new home

the ringer.com welcome to the show christopher and rober i i love the way you said the word draft really rolled off the tongue it's like a natural thing yeah conveys your enthusiasm for this endeavor it's like what you guys said i say the ringer wrong like i like put the emphasis on the wrong syllable. Someone said that to me. A draft. Here we are. I don't really understand what that means.

I'll be honest with you. I know we've gone over it in like sort of like excruciating detail for the full week. It's pretty excruciating at this point. You've never been around anyone who's like, you're like, what are you doing? And they're like, I'm watching the draft. Oh, God, no. No? No, I don't think.

I don't think so. Okay. What a, what a. life I've left. Maybe that's my problem, though. I should start dating men who like sports. I wouldn't recommend it. There's a lot of them out there.

I know. Throw a rock. Somehow, I don't seem to. So should we explain to people what we're doing here? You guys should. Do you really want me to be the ringer ambassador here and tell you how this works? Oh, sorry, hold on. There's a dog barking here.

That's cool. I dig the dog. Is that your dog? That's my brother's dog. Oh. He's visiting while my brother builds me patio furniture. That's a good deal. Chris Ryan, I feel like of the three of us,

I'm the jock. You've done the most drafts of anyone. Yeah. I've done none. I don't know how many Robert Harvilla has done. Not ringer-wise. Plenty of fantasy sports drafts. Yeah, but this is different, I think.

Drafts are a very, they're like an old hobby horse at the ringer. They're one of our go-to staples, especially on podcasts. And essentially what it is is allows you to have a broad conference. conversation about a topic while also expressing personal preferences. You know, so in say the big picture, the movie podcast that Sean Fennessee and Amanda Dobbins do that I participate in their drafts, I would describe those as relatively competitive. And they are often about garnering favor with the voting body. So what usually happens is we'll present the selections that we've made over the course of the podcast to an audience.

on Twitter or what have you. And they vote to say, oh, Chris won the draft. Chris had the best movies from that year. Amanda had the best movies from that year. Usually Sean wins. There are ways to play the draft where if you're trying to win, basically, you would go for things that you know more people also like, so they'll vote for that. But in the Bansplain universe and the world that Yassie has created. Yeah, we don't pander here at Bandsblane. Well, it's not pandering. It's just about personal journeys. You know what I mean? This is about slouching towards Bethlehem. and just really like remembering what went down in 1992.

Speaking of Joan Didion, can I just quickly say that I really wish she would come back from the dead and amend her essay on self-respect to include a clause about people posting on social media, their invites to fashion shows with rock bands playing at them as a no in regards to self-respect. I think that's really important. What do you think Joan Didian's favorite album of 1992 was? Katie Lang. Stone Temple Pilots. You think she was a really good guess.

Of the dome. Absolutely. Oh, Faith No More. That's why you're the czar of this. Faith No More. There we go. Yes. She had a lot of anger.

Okay. Chris, Ryan, you've beautifully explained this. Yeah, I don't know who the voting body is yet for this particular universe. I mean, I can take a guess, but I don't think I can bring myself to cater to their interests or needs. So we're just going to do it the old-fashioned bands playing way where from the heart. Yossi speaking of voting bodies, 1992 was an election year. Oh, yeah, it was.

Did you guys have Clinton mania back then? Were you playing the sacks on Arsenio, Rob? It's more of a clarinet guy. You know, I certainly watched that on television. I would not describe myself as terribly politically engaged at the age of 14. which I believe that I was. I was not really engaged, you know, in any sense, you know, social, societal, you know, psychological. You know, I was pretty detached from reality and certainly from politics.

But yeah, it was cool with me, man. He seemed all right. Better him than Bush, right? Yeah, that's fair to say. I did enjoy, I have fond memories of George Bush, just the parodies of him on Saturday Night Live. Let's just clip that part. That's Dana Carby, right? We should just clip Rob saying, I have fond memories of George Clinton.

I have fond memories of aparthe. Yes, yes, yes. The reason why I brought up Clinton was just like the kind of pop culture hysteria that was around that, that like candidacy. You know, and I do remember him going on Arsenio to play sax and that being like a thing that I did, which is like watch late night talk shows or, you know, check out bands on Saturday Night Live or watch. watch MTV to find out about new music. So we're still in like pop culture infancy here for me. I was like, I think Rob and I are basically the same age. So I was freshman sophomore in 1992. And was sort of like kind of starting to leave behind just identifying myself as like, not a jock because I was always short and not great at sports, but like obsessed with sports.

And there were a couple of really seminal songs and albums and music videos that came out this year that changed my life, I think. Katie Lang. Katie Lang. And Stone Temple Plath, primarily. Well, yeah, Chris, you had a great idea that we would go around in a little circle and talk about what we were actually like in 1992. Oh, me first?

Okay, I was 10 in 1992. So really politically engaged. I was absolutely campaigning for William Clinton. fifth into sixth grade. I told Rob this off mic at some point, but I did have a really cool T-shirt that I wore all the time that had bugs, Bunny, and Taz, but they were dressed as criss-cross.

And it was really cool because on the back, it had both sides. They were facing the back in the front and whatever. We took advantage of all T-shirt real estate back then. 100%. Also, here in L.A., there was a gorgeous thing where you could go to downtown L.A. L.A. five t-shirts for $10.

These were not sanctioned by the Loonie T-Ns estate, nor the Criss Cross estate. However, I got a lot of cool t-shirts that way, some black-on-black vans. I bought my, I was really into Kisingles during this time. Okay, absolutely. I loved to Kis-Single, but I also did my first BMG or Columbia House scam this year. Taped that penny on. Is it a scam? I mean, that's the offer.

It's not like you're doing something. something to them that they didn't invite you. They're like, would you like 13 CDs for a penny? It is if you never pay for the other things that they bill you for. Right. When they send you like a Rod Stewart record and charge you $19 and you're just like, I don't have a credit score. I'm 10.

Do you know what I mean? I just kept making up different names and applying and I had so many CDs. Dr. Dre the Chronic was my first CD that I ordered. That's pretty impressive. What else? Watched a shit ton of MTV. I was obsessed with Nirvana.

So even at 10, you were like, this is what it's all about. 10, yeah. Yeah, it was 10 going into 11. And it was like, yeah, because I had this babysitter slash family friend who had put me on to red hot chili peppers. Not on purpose. Just her and her boyfriend were always listening to it. And I was like, this is the coolest shit in the entire world. What is this?

Give it away. Now I love it. Radicalized to hard rock music. And then I would watch all this MTV. And I was like, my parents were immigrants. So they weren't exactly like monitoring my television activities, you know, so I don't think they knew what was going on. I'm like watching Headbangers Ball. They have no idea.

This is also around the time, this is just tied into music and CDs that I started shoplifting like packages of stickers and then bags of like warheads and like lemon heads and like lemon heads and stuff that I would come to school and open up and individually sell to their other kids for money to buy more CDs. That's sick. What's a margin on that? What's a very high margin because there's no cost? What's a lemonhead worth? I think I sold them for a quarter. Like one of the like the gumball size. Like not the little dudes.

I think like 25 cents was what I was wheeling and dealing here at the school. Okay. But if you were pumping out 16, 24 of those a day, that's it. That's right. That is up. Your P&L is looking great. We're making five to $10 a week here, babe. There you go.

And that's five T-shirts. That's five. He has five t-shirts or in two weeks, one long box CD. One of my favorite things to talk about about the early 90s is how I had the metabolism of a young teenage boy. And me and my friends would just eat footlong bacon, egg, and cheese sandwiches and then have Chinese food after. And then we would play sports for five hours. The way in which we just like free-based all food, all-te-eat. all junk and had no effect on us whatsoever.

It was truly the best of times. Yeah, it was no problem. I play basketball just so you guys know, speaking of drafts. I've heard about this. Don't think, don't think a baller alert, as they say. What position? I was a center because I was quite tall from my age. I see.

Yeah. Are you still? Sort of a lot of blocked shots. I'm not. By the time I got to high school to play basketball, I had very much not been. I was like freakishly tall early, but then I just became normal tall. Yeah. And so, and I was not, I had not developed any ball handling skills at my position at center.

And thusly, I was soon pushed out of the sport of basketball. I had a question for the two of you because one of the most contentious, I don't think it's going to be contentious, but one of the most like, I think debatable designations that we're going to be making in the coming categories is rock versus pop, you know. And I think that you could even go further and talk about alternative versus main. stream or whatever. But in 1982, I would assume, Yossi, if you're 10 and you're kind of like, but if you're already into Nirvana and you're watching

Headbanger's ball, are you making distinctions between these sort of different swimming lanes of culture, or are you like it's just one big pool? Well, I think I definitely knew, like, things that were edgy, that I was like, oh, this man is angry. His beams are ripped.

Do you know what I'm talking about? And then there was like Madonna. Like, that was pretty much the two things that I understood at the time because Madonna was my fucking edgy Madonna was back then. Well, she was. She was my first favorite artist because of my mom. Erotica was 92. Oh my god, erotica was 92. Was it ever? Again, my parents not paying super close tension. Yeah, your parents are looking in the other direction. You know the poster where she's walking nude down the street hitchhiking? Yes. Why do I, was allowed to have that poster hanging in my wall at 10 years old? How many lemonheads did you have to deal to plan that? Right. That was a hot topic purchase. Rob, what about you? I agree with you that rock versus pop was the most frustrating distinction here. I think when people talk about like 90s pop, they think very late 90s pop, right?

They think Brittany, Backstreet Boys, et cetera. Like I picture the early 90s is like the house to pop era. Like groove is in the heart. Yeah. You know, CNC music factory. You know, you had that run in the late 80s, 90s. like tone loke young mc vanilla ice like tlc was a big pop i think of pop in that way and it's the weird thing that's happening right here in 92 between 91 and 92 is that the red hot chili peppers nirvana

etc are arguably pop like definitionally by in terms of charts you know in terms of mtv play like the most significant event of 1992 by one way of looking at it is never mind overtaking Michael Jackson to become number one. You could say that's the moment the 90s start as like people remember or think about the 90s now, right? Like this is, that's the changing of the guard. That's when the definition of pop or popular changes. And so, yeah, I am really intrigued by how chaotic quote unquote pop is in this era.

And like every song that I could think of for the pop song category here would probably be better served like in some more refined genre category, but like it was all pop, you know, and like the chaos of it was the appeal of it. Yeah, but also don't forget like gin blossoms. Like the actual like invention of pop rock, which really becomes a confusing genre because it's not like Nirvana and those and chili peppers who just got popular but weren't making pop music. These bands were kind of making pop music, but in with guitars, which was like, what? hell is going on then yeah and you if you were young when this was coming out you were making those distinctions between like are jim blossoms a bar ban from arizona versus is was paul westerberg

in the replacements you know what i mean like the kind of like the pedigree the idea of like who deserve what in the world like at 14 at 10 you're not like thinking about things in those terms the other hard thing for me even put to get putting together like my my long list of candidates here was I was really taken back to the time when so for instance some very very very important albums came out in November of 1991 arguably their impact was not felt until the following year and specifically the release of singles which is kind of like I know where you're going with this and I don't like it I just want you to know I think we have to talk about it because if

you were going to do in 1992 like what was your life like my life was like Akhtung baby My life was like this album is so important to me, even though it came out in November of 91. But then the singles really are released throughout 1992. And I think probably, but go ahead. I feel like we can't do what was your life like because in fairness, I was 10. So like actually what I would draft today based on my taste and understanding as a 40-year-old woman, if I had to draft at 10, we'd be having a very different conversation. So 10-year-old Yassie is not saying. boiler maker by Jesus Lizard.

Absolutely not, babe. And I didn't even know who the replacements were until I was 11. So let's just say... That's a humble brag. That is. You heard me. From another dimension.

Thank you, Gina Arnold. Again, to you, my queen. Gina Arnold. She wrote that book, babe. Then it changed my life. 7666, 6, 6.6. The road to Nirvana. Take a shot.

But yeah, like, I was really, I was really struck going through researching for this how albums just had nine-month, like, shelf lives. And we'll talk about it with music videos too, because some of these music videos of the singles of these, even if the single came out in 91, the music video didn't come out until 92 and it would become a huge. So then that colors your whole experience because again, glued to MTV, these songs were the biggest songs in the world to me, but they had come up the year before. Yeah. I agree with Chris. Probably the personally, the most significant events of my life in 1992 was seeing the Zoo TV tour, was seeing you two on tour for Octum Baby.

And March says here, March in 1992, the pixies opened. And Rob, do you remember Bono calling the president from the stage? That's right. Yes, he would do the same. This is so cool. Just harassing some poor secretary at the White House. Rock and roll is calling. Why didn't you mention the part, Rob, that you went with your mom to this show?

My mother did take me to that show. And then I had a very long, rocky relationship with my mother vis-a-vis you two. Yes. But that was very nice of her to do that for me. But I remember, I bought the shirt, right? It's a black t-shirt. And it had like a face, a star in a car, like scrawled and white, like child's kind of writing. Like that is probably my first concert t-shirt.

And like, you know, I don't have to tell either you how important that is. But yes, you two is a good example of like a 1991 thing. in the history books, but like the impact of all of that was was spread across 92. What were you wearing? We're wearing like some Miller's Outpost cargo pants? I had two T-shirts in 1992. It was just between you two, uh, that tour t-shirt and then the Pearl Jam Stickman alive. One of the worst concert band designed T-shirts of all time.

The stick man. What are you talking about? What, what's this now? The stick man. The iconic Pearl Jam stick man. What's this face? What's going on? You have all the art of your disposal and that's what you, that's the t-shirt you make.

Do you like, do you, you prefer like the little girl with the gun and a crans, you know, like the social message of that? Did you ever wear a big Johnson t-shirt ironically in your five-for-ten era? Guess what? Pledge shorts and a buy one, get one free fake burken stocks from pay less shoes because my parents, again, immigrants, they're absolutely not buying me real burkenstocks. is a waste of goddamn money. You're 10 years old. So you will get a beige and a black of the fake ones from Pellas. I wore them with socks.

Rob, did you ever wear a South Carolina Gamecox hat that just said cocks across it? I did covet that hat whenever I would see it. That hat really, that really had a moment when DMB hit, when Dave hit. David Matthews. Oh, that's right. That is a pure Dave Matthews band hat, isn't it? I don't know how Yossi is going to feel about that. Chris, what were you wearing?

Cargo pants also, like a camo pants? I shop mostly at sporting goods stores. And I don't mean like like camouflage. I just mean like, you know, I think that we, we tended to dress pretty sporty. I was pretty into rap at this time. Umbroes. No, not Umbroes. It was pretty cold.

So, you know, I think I was pretty into rap at this time. But this was also like when I started really paying attention to and getting into what I guess you could call alternative rock. So there is a specific like landmark music video from this era that I kind of want to just keep to myself until we finally get to it. I'll talk about my personal style, babe, when we get to the music video. So that I feel like it's best to save it. So wait, you were both 14.

Are you both the same age? I'm 45. I just turned 45. I forget. I'm, what am I? What am I? I'm 44. I'm 44 and a half.

So I think I was a little older. Yeah. Okay, so you guys were more cognizant, but I was more precocious, so I think it all even thought. Yeah, you were on the precipice of breaking down all that replacements tape. Me and Rob were just like, goons. Yeah, you're just dealing lemon heads and listening to the replacements. You were way core at 11 than I was at 22. And two, because I was a loser because all I did was read books about music and then save up my allowance money and go buy or my theft money and go buy stuff.

So I didn't have friends. I just had these books about music. Sure. Paul Westerberg was your friend. he was everybody's friend Listen, this man, then he wrote a song Alex Chilton, then I go off and find Big Star It was a rabbit hole, remember those?

That's how it worked. And then I was like, Big Star is boring because I was, I was 11. I was like, I don't like this, what is this? This is dad music. That's a great experience that lasts pretty much from starting at like 11, 12 until you're dead, which is

everybody tells you you're supposed to like a band and you're like, okay, and then you just like keep trying. Well, I loved Big Star once I was like an adult but at 11, I was like, CDs and you would have to be like, you know what? I just don't really like Big Star. So I'm going to sell this CD. Sponged.

And then. Sponged CD is much better. Sorry. Like it has bangers. Great. That's a wax ecstatic. That's right. That's right. That's a noisy. That's like a Sonic Youth record. Is that the one with Mali on it or is the is Molly on the next one? That would be

rotten pinata. I gotcha. As I recall. Yes. Plowdown to love song. Okay. Should we begin. I have one last question. Oh yeah, gorgeous. I have one last question.

When you two were putting together your list of things that you were thinking of drafting in different categories, how much of it was nostalgia and how much of it was your seasoned, you know, deeply, deeply like knowledgeable selves now with all this hindsight saying, oh, of course, Catherine Wheel, you know.

Did you look at my list? No. But you know what I mean? Like, how much of it was like I've spent. 30 years since this time listening to the music of this period and now I have like this very, very different list than not you then you would as a, like how much of it is 10 year old

and how much of it is 40 year old? I don't have a critical lens. So to answer your question, simply just Natalja, because I don't have the other thing. I don't know how to use that part of my brain. I have a couple of things on here that I would never have put on at the time, but that are now like my faves.

I feel bad saying that it's more of the 44 year old me than the 14. year old me like just for example if the 14 year old me were here talking to a girl which is very surprising uh i would tell you that the best rock song of 1992 was let's get rocked by deaf leperd from adrenalineized the the snare sound the rick allen's snare sound just just very very comforting to me at that time i had that tape adrenalineized uh and i was very important to me that's not my best rock song pick you know like i i try to guard for this, but I do, I'm thinking

with more of a quote unquote critic brain than like a human teenager brain. And now I'm rethinking everything. I still think I can predict some of your guys' picks. I bet you can't. You should get bonus points if you can predict it. There's like some, there's just some

core Chris Ryan and Rob Harvilla releases in this year that I just would be surprised if you guys don't draft. And then I would feel like you're doing it against your best nature. That's true. It's true.

Nico, it's time to pull the names of that. I don't know. The drafting order, so she just picks the first order and then we go reverse from there. Well, we need to pick first and second. And then, well, let's do the picks first. And then we'll. Okay. She is shaking.

Okay. I didn't even plan that, you guys. Is that bad to have first? Is it good? This is purely coincidental. And then Chris. Okay. And then it's probably raw.

And it's it is it's me. It's me at third. Yasi, what are the categories? Okay. So the categories are album. I don't even need first for this one because no one's going to pick mine. Long play album. Rock song.

Rap slash hip hop song. Pop song. Music video and wild card. Okay. Do we do it in that order? No, I'm sad that I'm first. No, here's how it works. See, now you have to like look.

at your big board and you see all the categories and you're like, well, what's the most important to me? So for me, I know like what I want to get because I also think you two will be angling for it. Okay. You know what I mean? Like there's scarcity involved. If you think that no one's going to pick your rock song, keep it in your back pocket. If you think the music video is going to be hotly contested or the long playing record album will be hotly contested. You might want to go for that earlier. So, Yasser, you're going to get to pick first, then I go, then Rob picks twice. Oh, to make it fair. And then we go back. What do you think, Rob? No? Well, I was going to ask, is she picking? She can pick from any category? Any category. Oh, wow. Yeah, so they're not going

in any categorical, the whole, like, kind of strategy comes in what category are you going for to take off the board? And then once something has been selected in a category, it cannot be selected again. Oh, well. See, this is a question I had and Yassi freaked out, right? I don't think we're going to have a problem with it. In this case, it's more just like, yeah, yeah. You were saying that if like someone picks the album, the song can't be picked. I don't think that's fair.

That's what I was saying. Is that fair? Your reaction was to what end with several exclamation points. It was a very strange response to that like you seem very concerned about that possibility. I think Chris may be right that this is a mood point. This is just. I don't think. that we're going to be arguing.

Yeah. There's only a couple of things that I think will be like death matches between the three of us. Wow. It's a very violent encounter between three failed athletes. Only one. Three fails. Thank you for calling me a failed athlete. That's my career ended at age, whatever, 14.

Likewise. I don't think there's going to be any contested ones except for this one. And even in this one, I kind of wish that someone would pick the one that I know in my heart to be the best because it's not my favorite, but I guess we're supposed to just pick the best one, right? You should pick the one that means the most to you. I think what Chris is saying is right. The big picture drafts tend to be like very violent,

you know, pandering to the mob sort of affairs. But I think it's better in this circumstance, the thing of it is you're amassing your own personal 1992, you know, utopia. It's not about the outside world. I don't think any of us are talking to people outside of our houses in 1992, too, like as kids, that's the impression I'm getting. Like, no offense to Chris if he was super popular.

I said, okay. He said he had all those friends that he was eating all those sandwiches with. It was just me and you robber. I haven't blossomed romantically yet, but I had friends, you know. That's a full long bacon and egg sandwich. Where do you even get one of the wallwalk? I was going to say, like, that is the most Philadelphian thing I've ever heard of in my life. Slathered and ketchup.

It's a lot of bacon and egg, I have to say. down here in Los Angeles. So, Yasi, you have the first pick. I hate this. I hate this. And what category would you like to be picking from? Or you could say the thing and then you could say the category. It doesn't, that's just procedural.

Oh, I know. I know. Okay. I'm going to do rap song. Okay. Dr. Dre and Snoop Dog, nothing but a G thing. It's like this and like that like this and a. Because that is.

Those are, this is my hometown adjacent heroes. It's a huge deal. I grew up in Torrance as listeners of this podcast are well aware. Long Beach was just a hop, skip, and a jump. We played Compton in basketball. Did you win? We absolutely did not win. And actually, the very famous basketball game where Lisa Lucas,

as Lisa Lucas, scored 101 points in one half. You were defending her. She had a bit older than me, but was against my high school. and the only reason it's not a game high is because they forfeited because they were so embarrassed at halftime. Anyways, all that to say is, this is a goddamn gorgeous, beautiful fucking rap song.

I still have the whole thing memorized. That was a party trick that I could do, and that's my drop pick. How do you guys feel about this song? Never liked West Coast rap. I knew you were going to say that. Just a little drab. You know, it's just lighten up, guys.

It's never my thing. And this is back in a time when the regionalism of hip hop really like stood out you know it's very different there was there's some people may have heard of some beef from this era that that I wasn't expect I wasn't expecting you to contest me but Rob is like a little bit who knows Ohio where does that land do you know like I know you're as a machine gun Kelly fan yeah I have a very strong regional bias when it comes to rap that is Rob you were in a battle battleground state you know I was yes absolutely and I was canvassing for machine gun

Kelly and for can I think of another rapper from Ohio I can't I'm sorry RJD2 I think there's nominally for my age Would we call RJD2 a rapper? We would not That's why I was mumbling Something to that effect

When you jumped in with that But that's absolutely fair to say Let Me Ride is a better song I wrote that just this morning I know it won the Grammy I know it won the Grammy But it's not a better song Cultural impact wise it's not

It's not a number of song Nah I get that but I just always prefer To let me ride I get you absolutely that the snoop doggie dog of it all is pretty tremendous absolutely what was it like to experience that song living in los angeles right because i remember that song you know the chronic in general is like this is los angeles explaining itself to like me in ohio did you guys feel like the little town that could finally got its anthem a little bit of respect on your name i'm 10 so i'm not really completely understanding anything i don't know any rap music this is probably This and not to, well, I'm not going to pick it for anything maybe, but crisscross Jump Jump were like the first rap songs I ever heard in my life, you know?

And it just so happened that this was an incredible one that the chronic, just life-changing album. Yeah. It got down to the 10-year-olds, like this L.A. culture. Like, you really thought you were hard. Yeah. If I have that, nothing but did you think to single? Stand in there and your fake burks. slanging slanging

elicit candy at the school. I was like, yeah, it is nothing but a G-thing. You guys wouldn't fucking understand because you're not G is like me. I still don't understand, so you're right about that.

We're paying face value for lemon heads. Like a bunch of fucking squares. Like a fucking busters. Okay. So Yasi took nothing but a G-thing by Dr. Dre in her rap song category. She sure did. And Chris Ryan, myself, I'm going to be picking from the music video category, and I'm going to pick this so what you want video by the Beastie Boys.

Jumping Slow is cool. This is one of those drafts that maybe no one has any overlap. Maybe. Did you guys not think that this was like an enormously important piece of culture? Filmmaking. Yeah. No, totally. But it's not even in my top three.

Okay. Great. Well, I. I feel like everybody started dressing and talking differently after this video came out. And just like the world of like, I don't know, it's like, there's very few like black and white to technical color moments in your life. But for some reason, I feel like this video might be one of them. I was like, what are those drums? What are those guys jumping up and down for?

Where are these woods? Can I get that Nix T-shirt? Yeah. Are we wearing our T-shirts that small now? Why would you wear a Nix T-shirt when you're from Philadelphia? Because it was vintage. That's a good question. That was like my first sort of like brush with like, ooh, like this shirt you could wear it and it wouldn't mean what it was saying it meant, you know?

Right. Is that a child? Yeah. Like it was like the first time I ever saw like ironic t-shirts, you know? Not that they thought it was ironic because they were Nix, but it was like a vintage Nix t-shirt. I'm glad you brought this up. I had not been like that big of a license to LFam. Like I knew like obviously they were huge and like it was the singles were big and I appreciated them.

But I wasn't like, these guys really have it all figured out. But then when this came out, God, this is like. like it sounded like nothing else I'd ever heard before. I had not read I wasn't really like familiar with like Zeppelin or anything like that so like the loops the the samples and everything were just revelations to me and this video was like I guess I understand why people get obsessed with like TikTok and stuff like that when you because I just watched this video like three thousand times do you know what I mean like if like and I still will like when it comes on I'm like cool did it do not did you tape it on a VHS I used to do that with music I didn't have to

It was on 15 times a day. Yeah, that's really... You can go outside, run around, and it would come back on. Did you ever acquire the Nix T-shirt later in life? No. And I'm not a Nix fan, so it was good that I didn't invest. So my music video pick is Beastie Boys, so what you want. Okay, Rob, before you go, I do have to tell you both that I did acquire my rap music

affiliated piece of clothing that I wanted since I was 10 when I was 20, some 28 and it was a Raiders starter jacket. That's right. And then they picked up and moved away. You can just go to Oakland. Just sucks. I was what I'm saying. I waited 15 to 20 years to acquire a Raiders starter jacket.

And then they were like two years later. They were like, bye. We're not in L.A. anymore. It's not very nice of them. I'm watching this video now. I forgot, Yalk looks like he just walked over from the under the bridge video.

I know. Like, he's wearing, he's wearing the flannel. Like, he's, he's, he's sort of camouflaged almost. I also forgot that there's, like, disaster. There's, like, volcanoes and, like, crashing waves. Yeah, because after a while, like, they cut away from that part being like, oh, yeah, we just, you know, we have to get some other footage in here. Okay, so, Rob, you have two. I do.

I do. Um, okay, I'm going to take album for my first, and, uh, I'm going automatic for the people. by REM. Night swimming deserves a quiet night. Did you see that there's like a pole going around like R.A. R.M. an 80s band or a 90s band.

Who is, who is circulating this pool? I, I, I, I don't recall right now. What kind of fucking losers are spending their time? REM was very much a 90s band for me. You know, like I was sort of radicalized by losing my. religion by out of time you know I had I taped it on a blank cassette from a friend of mine but like this is the first RAM record that I bought I bought the cassette I can remember

it being I was like yellow tinted sort of beige very dour but very profound you know and I just I I I wore this record out right you know and I did that based off the singles off drive everybody hurts sidewinder you know but I think the real value in this record is like the deeper you get into it like you get to night swimming right and like that becomes your whole identity. And like you go to parties and play night swimming and the chicks just flock to you. Like that's definitely what I considered what might have happened to me if my life had turned out differently. Sweetness follows is the quintessential song that I always forget is on the record.

And then I realize it's my favorite song on the record. Like when I go back to it like my brain just deletes it from my head until I listen to the record again. And then it's the most delightful thing. I just think from wall to wall, like this is, you know, the most emotionally profound record to me at 14, you know, in a way I think I understood it, but obviously I didn't know shit about shit. But like that still resonates with me now, right? Like the mournful qualities that it has, I can much better experience and appreciate now. Like this record has just aged very well for me. You know, there's plenty of stuff that I loved at 14. Like I still love, but in sort of a removed. sort of oh what a kid I was sort of way but like this one is stuck with me and like deepened in a way that very few records from your teenage years do necessarily yeah i would not have expected this pick for you no i feel like this is another that feels pejorative to me no not insulting i just i had another one that i thought you would pick

but that's okay well once once we've cleared the album category that the both he is I'd like to discuss what you think that was. Rob, I would say that this is one of those records. This is one of those albums that just seemed to be in rotation and in the front of everybody's minds for like a year and a half. It was like five singles off this record. The videos were played like constantly. The video for fucking losing my religion,

Mim was like traumatizing. Like that one and Soul Asylum Runaway Train to this day. I'm like, I can't fucking watch that shit. I can't remember the exact circumstances, but I do remember when I realized like night swimming was on this record. And I was almost like the first time I was like, you mean there's another good song on this album

that they didn't put out yet? How? This shit is so, this is going to make me cry. Like, I was just so overwhelmed by that the first time I heard it. I know that there's like an anti-night swimming contingent out there.

Oh yeah. I'll fucking fight you. Jay Kang. I had Jay Kang on the show when I did the night swimming episode and I decided this would be the one episode where I brought on somebody who hated the song. How did that go? He tweets.

People are still mad at me about that. I received several emails a week from being like, hey, how you doing? That guy who didn't like night swimming? Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? I'm sorry. I like him a lot. He did exactly what I wanted to do. He's delightful.

I won't do that again. I swear to God. But yeah, there is a small but vocal. Anti-night swimming. Yeah. Anti-night swimming. contingent. Every streetlighter reminder. What are you talking

about? I'll come on this show. I will fight you. How could you know? We don't have two years in a heart. Photograph on the dashboard, man. Taken years ago. Still, right here. I think it's the best song on this album. September's coming soon. Okay. So it goes to

me. September's coming soon. No, it doesn't. We'll keep it on the... He goes back to Rob. He gets two. Oh, I thought you picked two. My dad. I thought... He just talked for so long that it felt like. too. Hey, yo. You have a score. A podcast.

All right. Exactly. Yeah. I'm just, I'm just playfully ribbing you because everything you say is sounds so beautiful and so I love Rob Hargola. Huge fan. I believe it's my pick again. I will be briefer this time.

I will be concise and say that my rap song is they reminisce over you. Yes. By Pete Rock and C.L. Smooth. Maybe it's sort of a pedestrian thing to say that this is one of the greatest rap songs ever. I think that sax riff sort of jumps into your head whenever you're sort of talking about that very... This song is incredible. Thank you.

This song is incredible. You know, and it's I... When I did the Crossroads, the Bonthars and Harmony song, like I thought about this record a lot, you know. And just there are very few records that sort of convey grief, that convey mourning, but in a an uplifting way the way this does, right? Like there's just a quality that it has where it's just, it's, it weighs 200 tons and yet is feather light, right? It's just, it just feels like a magic trick of the emotion, you know, that it's conveying

versus the emotion, you know, that it, that it stirs up in you. And that's all I have to say. We're on a time limit. Oh, beautiful. If you're out at a bar, 90s rap night or otherwise, and this comes on, this is one of the great opening bars songs where like the sax starts and everybody's just like oh oh

start beating each other with cool cues so people I think kind of like Philadelphia yeah right exactly no I miss my uncle Charles y'all sad but it's like pretty sad I didn't know about this song at 10 so to be very like honest about my 10 year old understanding of the landscape of rap music but later on

came we forgive you came to love and adore okay so it goes back to me but Before we do, I just want to, I don't, I think we skipped past what Wild Card was. And Wild Card is one of the categories. And I don't think that we defined it. Now, wild card, by definition, it could be anything. What, going into it, I think we were talking song, like a Wild Card song. I picked songs. But if you guys want to pick, like, Saturday night live performance, I don't care. That's fine. Okay. Just good to know. Just good to know going forward. Yeah. It's medium. My wild card is medium. wild. You know, I'll probably save it. My wild card is a song, but we'll see. We'll see what happens. So, for my

second pick, I'm going to go with the album, long player, and it will be the slanted and enchanted album by... Duh! I can say I did see that. I should have gone and placed money bets on that one. If you'd like to know how I feel about this

record, there's a great episode. Well, I wasn't that. I mean, Yasi was great on the episode have bands played about it. You were pretty great. People were really excited. And I also talked about a later pavement song with Rob on 60 songs

that explained that I was two of my favorite podcasts. Too much later. But I only listened to my own appearances on them. Of course. Yeah, pavement. I can't say that in 1992, I'd ever heard of this band, but I did hear about them in like 1994.

So that was cool. And this record sounds as fresh today as it did. I'm sure when somebody heard it on a just a scratchy advanced cassette in 1992 and I can't believe it's real. Still, like, the sounds on it are so weird and wild, but also deeply, like, baked into me. I think I know every note on this.

Yassi saw them recently, right? Several times. Did they go to the S&E well a lot with the set list? Fame throla. They did a couple times when I saw them at the underplay at the Fonda. The second time I saw them, it was very, oh my God, what is the fucking last album that everyone hates that I like.

Terror Twilight. It's very terror, the terror, Twilight heavy on the second time I saw them, which I liked Terror Twilight, so I was fine with it. And the third time, they pulled out more of a,

some slanted and enchanted. It was gorgeous. I love them. It's awesome. In real time, did you do Crooked Rain, crooked rain, and go backward,

because that's what I did. Like, the cut your hair video is on MTV. I get that tape. People start saying, like, this band is the next REM or whatever. And I was like,

what's something you should? And I was like, fucking thing is weird. Yeah. And I would listen to it and I couldn't very deep voice. And then it unlocked for me. And I was like, holy shit. Listen to here.

So yeah. So so far, Rob has automatic for the people by R.E.M. is his album. And there was reminisce over you by Pete Rock and Seal Smooth as his rap song. I have Beastie Boys. So What You Want is my music video and Pavement Slana and Chan. It is my album. Now it goes back to Yossi for two picks.

Oh, two picks. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Snake style. A snake draft, dude. Fuck. I have, like, this is the hardest episode I've ever done.

Really? And I'm counting the ones where I had to read 40 books. I don't like picking favorites. It's not a thing that I enjoy. I don't like. So you just feel bad for the other, like, the sports aspect is what's troubling you. Just the declaring of a Victor and a loser. But I thought it...

I didn't think you were going to like it. Yeah. I thought it might be a respite respite. Yeah, respite. Respite from my toils. But... This is a new toil. If you want, we could add on like a four and a half hour thing where you just read...

Perfect. I like read all of my picks and I explain. And you're just like, babe, Caspar Weinberger got convicted in a Ryan Contra. That was... Have you... You've been sitting on that impression this whole time, Chris. And that's, very impressive former secretary.

I did read a Reddit comment today that it was like, I love that podcast, but she says gorgeous too much. I disagree. Thank you. We've discussed how you're not supposed to be reading the Reddit. Rob pinned his message that I shouldn't read the Reddit to the top of our Slack conversation. But I like reading the Reddit.

For all the good it did me. I'm watching you, guys, is what I'm saying. Fuck. Okay. this is hard. I'll just do album, even though people might have predicted that I would have taken album first

to beat CR to slanted and enchanted given that I have two pavement tattoos. But actually, and this is also a bit of a hindsight pick, but my pick is PJ Harvey Dry. That's exactly what I thought you were doing. I know. I'm also very predictable.

Because, I mean, they're neck, whatever, I can never pick amongst my children. But that album to me was again, I didn't hear it in 1992, but that's not the criteria. It's like from the year you love. Looking back on the landscape of like music and like this bitch just coming out with this fucking incredible, just unprecedented, like the production, the songs. It was so visceral. Like just, I mean, I feel like she invented something. Like she caused like a, you know, a fucking break in the universe and like so much spilled out of it.

And as everyone knows who listens to the show, she's one of my top artists. You could make the argument. I don't know if you want to have it. But that she along with probably R.M. had the best career. 100%. Of anybody where, well, I mean, like, you know, like Dr. Dre and the visa was as hard. I think she has a better career than R.M.

To be honest. Like the catalog. She's less. that she's less prolific but like percentage wise of like perfect or near perfect albums percentage wise she's all over it she won the mercury prize twice only artist industry to do that you know like she's there's I mean she's untouchable as far as I'm concerned you know like she's just a fucking genius I think that if we if you just made it in the title of this pod why PJ Harvey is better than REM

New Reddit's community might react to that. There you go. Come for my ass, babe. Awesome pick. Thank you. I love her. That is awesome.

That's a she's all-time album for me. Okay, I'm just going to go with my heart. Music video. I know what you guys think I'm going to pick. I know what you're going to pick. Guns and Roses,

November rain. No, you're not. Yes. Are you really? Yeah. I know you thought, but I'm still able to surprise you. I thought. I for sure thought.

I thought you were going to pick the video you have recreated on the internet. A slight distinction between. Right. But it's both. I have, again, this ties into what you were talking about earlier, Rob, where like the 90s started or whatever. But again, people don't remember that Guns and Roses was such a massive part of the early 90s. they like kind of like in their minds maybe stick them back in the 80s because they're you know in the hair metal category as far as people are concerned but like this shit came out the album in 91 but the fucking video in 92 and it was so profoundly impactful on 10 year old yossie and even now when i watch it i'm like this is the fucking coolest craziest shit ever you know a one and a half million dollar video with fucking stephanie seymour bride rickie ragman in it. It's raining. Oh my God, it's raining.

We better jump into the fucking wedding cake. Why? It's just raining. It's not even a lightning. What is that reaction to the rain? It's Los Angeles, I guess. The slash is on the fucking cliff baby. He's shirtless. He's doing a 12-minute guitar solo. He walks out of the church. Yeah. That's that's the moment. It just really this, this. I mean, it was really hard for me. Of course, you all know what I would have also picked. But I, but. Sure.

This is a, this is the, this is the music video of 1992. If we're really talking about it, this is the one. How do you guys feel like, are you upset, Chris? Would you want to pick this? No. No, you already pictures. You did beastie boys.

I was sort of surprised that you didn't pick what I would imagine is you're kind of like. Maybe Rob will pick it. Yeah. So I won't say it. Now I'm thinking that the big picture strategy would be to take other people's favorites like spikfully, but I just don't feel that's the vibe. It would be like, oh, this is what everybody loved from that year. So I'm going to pick Jurassic Park or whatever.

I'm going to be the last person picking. Like, there's, there's no, I'm not fighting anyone anymore. It's just, I can, I'm going to stash. But if no one takes the one everyone thought I was going to pick, we still have to talk about it. Of course. I think so. Also, I mean, technically speaking, it could drop into wildcard. Oh, yeah, go.

I suppose technically speaking, that could happen. So it's to me now? Yes, it is. All right, I have music video and I have album taken care of. I have pavements, Lantern, Enchana, Beastie Boys, so what you want. Just doing a little reset. I love that. So I would like to just kind of shake things off.

a little bit, you know? Uh-oh. And talk about what I think is the greatest, one of the greatest vocal performances on any rock song, and that's why I'm picking this for my rock song category, is Black Crow's Sometimes Salvation. Wow.

All right. Okay. Didn't know anything about drugs or the faces or the Rolling Stones or the Alman brothers or the Robinson brothers or Rod Stewart or anything about what was going on. or any of the soul singers that Chris Robinson was obviously ripping off. Sure. But this is a real throwback to, like, when I was, like, 14.

And I thought that this guy was just straight up the best singer I ever heard in my life. Do you guys know this song? I can vaguely picture it. I haven't been back to that record in a while. It's on Southern Harmony, right? It's on the first one. Okay. So, yeah, it's, I feel embarrassed to say that.

Isn't it? It's on the first one. Yeah, it's on the second one. sometimes salvation is on is the second one it's just this is like a long dirge but has like an incredible guitar solo and then at the end Chris Robinson does this like crazy like stripping his throat singing uh boy I really thought I would get more of a reaction from the two of you about this. I'm absolutely shocked that this was your case we're just absorbing yeah yeah I mean it isn't crows fans back it is a funny thing that you bring up though because it's another band that people forget we're like like a massive part of the 90s was the black crows huge yeah but not for me right not in my cinematic universe okay so i i just wanted to pick this because it's like it's very easy to go back

and be like i was the coolest person or this is like my incredible cool taste right but you're just being honest from the heart i'm being fucking honest when i say that this guy knows i was saying hell yeah i interviewed him i think in 2000 2001 somewhere in there he had a solo record uh-huh i interviewed him. I did a phoneer for like a Cleveland All-weekly, right? And I asked him if he thought that his solo record was a little mushy. And it's like, this record's okay,

but is, do you think it maybe, would you describe it as mushy? How did that go? And there was like five to seven to 10 to 12 to 15 seconds of silence on the phone. It was one of that, did he hang up on me moments? Like he just sort of sniffed. He's like, yeah. You know, and like, it's just a very awkward interval. He's like, no,

I don't think so. He was, what's the, the, Kate Hudson. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think it was his Kate Hudson record. And I personally, as a snotty, you know, 23-year-old found it to be mushy and decided that I needed to convey that information to him. Incredibly.

I kind of missed that arrow where they would let like all rock. 23-year-olds get on the phone with like one of the seven most popular musicians. I used Seelow. Yeah. Seelow green in the wake of like, I don't remember. What was the thing he did with Danger Mouse? Narls Barkley. They let me interview this man on the phone.

I was like literally 20. 2006, yeah. And we were like, why is this record so mushy? I mean, I don't think I was like a good journalist. I'm still on so at 24. I was. I don't know what you're, yeah. I can't relate to this at all.

Okay. Whose pick is it now, Chris Ryan? It is me. It is me twice. Oh, gorgeous. It is me. Okay, I'm saying my favorite word is. Twice.

What are you going to do, Rob Hartgola? I don't know. This is... I feel a lot of pressure has been relieved from my heart, to be honest. Now it's just fine. Because you got PJ Harvey? I didn't... In none of these categories do I think anyone's going to take mine.

I'm just having a hard time picking between things of my own. Hmm. Okay. Oh, man. What am I doing here? It's weird if I don't pick. I will always love you for pop song. And so that's what I'm going to do.

pop song is Whitney Houston. I will always love you. I think the platonic ideal of a pop song from this era, just one of the most colossal songs ever. Vocal performances. You know, in terms of the movie tie-in, the bodyguard, if you're familiar with that movie, Kevin Costner, et cetera.

It's the diva performance of the decade, I think it's fair to say. certainly up there with Chris Robinson on some time television Chris Robinson could have sung this but could Whitney Houston have sung the black crows She would have sung the shit out of that song Also a great example of the way You know like a movie

A song could be tied in with a movie And then they could just be like well this is all I think about Is the bodyguard and the Gougu Dolls Iris perhaps Yes where the video is just clips from the movie. Yes. That was lazy but still a great era. His name was Seth.

Yeah. Played by. Seth. That's right. It's a gorgeous, beautiful film and a beautiful song. So Rob, that's your pick.

Whitney Houston. That's me. I will always love you. You're, you're chortling over there and I don't. I'm simply surprised. That's all. Okay.

We're going to have a surprise. portion of this podcast. It's an unquestionably like popular songs. Okay. What's next, Rob? Okay. Rock song. Which of these suckers is rock song? My rock song is White Zombies Thunder Kiss

65. So I get nothing for Black Crows, but we're going to go hell yeah for white zombies thunder kiss. I think the riff to Thunder Kiss is a little more memorable than the riff to the Black Crow song. I already forgot the name.

I don't know if they played your Black Crow's song on the alternative rock station here in Los Angeles. But Thunder Kiss 65, babe, that was in heavy rotation. Five. Yeah. Wow. There we go. Please just keep doing that. If you want to just do that for 45 seconds, that would be great.

I just, you're an excellent Rob Zombie impression. This is like what you want from a. rock riff is something awesome but attainable to you trying out a Fender or Stratocaster in a Sam Ash, you know, in 1992. Like you can go

do do do do do do like not well like very poorly in fact, but it feels like you're doing all right while you're doing it. That's the platonic ideal of a guitar riff and it's like this song is this Beavis and Butthead incarnate, right?

You know, and Beavis and Butthead their importance to me, their influence on me cannot be cannot be overstated of course and so i this would be one that i thought i was too sophisticated at the time even at 14 to really appreciate you know like this was just sort of in the air and i i i kept my distance from it it was sort of frightening to me at the time but i with the fullness of time like this this is where it's at in 1992 this is the height of of profundity are you guys into rob zombie as a filmmaker no have you ever seen his black metal witch movie called Lords of Salem.

Now is it amazing? Should I watch up? Yeah, it's pretty good. Okay. I may have looked at the Wikipedia for that one, but yeah, I'm not. He did a Halloween. He did, he did some pretty horrifying Halloween movies. I'm into how hot his wife is and how he puts her in the movies.

Oh, thank you. Sherryman. Shellyman. Yeah. Um, you want a real Baron-Stane Bears situation? Please. I don't know what that means. Do you know, Beavis and Butthead wasn't out in 19.

Are you serious? In the like way that the Simpsons existed pre-Simpsons as little skits on the Tracy Olman show, there were little skits of Beavis and Budhead on Liquid Television in 92, but I don't think the show actually came out to like 94 or something. Okay, so this song manifested Beavis and Butthead. That's what we'll say. This is the big bang. Yeah. Because I was going to write, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was. I was watching tons of buvis and butt-head, but no, I was absolutely not. Aeon flux, yes, but not bufus and that. Aeon flux, okay. I wanted to be her. I thought she was so cool.

With the fly in your eyelashes, yeah. Okay, to recap, as Chris Ryan likes to do, Rob Harvilla has picked, I will always love you as his pop song by Whitney Houston. Still laughing. That's funny. And Thunder Kiss 65 by White Zombie, as his rock. song. So I have wild card rap and pop. Okay. And it's your turn. And it's my turn. Okay. So far I've

picked the Beastie Boys of what you want. Slanted in Channot by pavement and sometimes salvation by Black Crows. And now you're, he whispered that because now you're, now you're ashamed. I'm not ashamed. You know what's going to happen is that we're going to go look at the Spotify play like plays on sometimes salvation. I'll take it down after we were to get done recording. And when this shit drops and you're like, 200,000 exclusive. Chris Ryan says Chris Robinson's a better singer than Whitney Houston. It'll go up a lot. Chris is just constantly writing some like clickbait headlines for this podcast.

I'm thinking for pop song, Real Love by Mary J. Walsh. Oh, great. Excellent. That's fantastic. Which is just a just wonderful, wonderful piece of pop music. Great piano riff, great loop, drum loop, incredible singing. This is from her first record. What's the 411?

one. Just had a lovely time with Mary J. Blige in the early 90s, especially when she collaborated with Methodman. But this was my introduction to her, and this was probably my favorite pop song of the year. So good. It's a really good choice. And this, I will just say, for the sake of conversation, that this is where my crisis happened, because I had too many rock songs that were popular that I didn't know if I could call

pop songs, because in my mind, rock is a very specific thing. separate from pop. But I guess... I have a rock song as my pop song. So, I mean, I... I want to talk about those. I left one on the board then for you. Yasi.

Oh, you already know. But I didn't even know if that one is rock. That's a thing. It's like, I don't know. Does that go in rock or does that go in pop? Or do I just pick a more rocky song for rock and then choose that as my pop song? So I think I took like a popy song for pop. I think I would have been like this is, is it...

So now that it's off the board, for instance, would it have been cheating? to take losing my religion and pop. I don't think so. No. I mean, it's by definitionally, it became that is one of the moments where they became pop. Okay. I'll ask my follow-up question after we get through Yossi's pop song pick, and we find out whether or not she's picked this song that I'm thinking of.

Well, now I have to. I'm just going to go ahead and do it. Okay. Although, can I just say that is this cheating for me to be like it was between these two songs, but I have, but there, I had to go. No, because we've all picked. our pop song now so you can go ahead mess around so much like you're losing my religion i was like friday i'm in love came out in 1992 i thought about that which is a pop song and is but that's not my

pick did you think that's what was going to be my pick no i thought it was going to be something else because that's from 91 no obvious no that's from 92 that album came out of 92 April 21st 1992 is what the internet says if we could travel around this town perhaps that was a UK release 1922. No. I was living in the UK at that point. Fun fact, it was released on a Friday,

where most singles released on Tuesdays, but they changed it to be released on a Friday. That's very clever. I listened to this song getting gas today. Holy shit. Still goes. But you didn't pick it. Like,

I didn't pick it. Did you not turn your car off? Like, how did you accomplish that? I was listening to it, and then I stopped midway through and filled up my car. And then I turned it back on it. It was like,

ba, bu, bu, it was a goddamn fucking banger. But no, I will Man, this is tough because it could be a rock song too But no, this frees me up to pick a cooler rock song So yes, tomorrow we could drive around this town

And we could let the cops chase us around That's what I thought you were. You know what I mean? Because the past is gone, but something might be found To take its place. I do choose Hey Jealousy It is still slightly cheating And do you guys want to know why?

Because the album came out in 1991 Is an independent-ish release? The album is $89. actually as an independent release and that song technically was on it. But I think that we can all agree that the... The superior version.

The canonical version is off of New Miserable Experience in 1992. Doug Hopkins, May He Rest in Peace, penned one of the greatest pop rock, which I do think is its own genre, which we could have made another category.

If we wanted to do this forever, we could just like chop off. to do more than six and I was like have we ever been cognizant of time on this program but he was absolutely threatening to be honest about that he's not here so I had the right band and the wrong song that I was picking

for you and then I was going to do found out about you yes that's crazy that song is a banger I love it it is a banger technically yeah it's my favorite gin blossom song So then why is it crazy that you would pick it? Because this is the gin blossom song.

This is the pop song. Yeah, but what happened was, hey jealousy got overplayed and real heads went to found out about you. Real blossoms. I don't think this is a real head situation. Real blossoms went to found out about you. Listen. Why can't we just name bands gin blossoms anymore? Is there a line that I could write that's sad enough to make you cry?

It's fucking poetry, bitch. Your boyfriend's over. I watch the lights go out. Doug Hopkins was a brilliant, a brilliant person. I did go see the Jen Bossoms play in this year of Our Lord 2021 in December. How they looking? San Juan Capistrano. They sounded amazing.

They look. They look fine. It's not like I really knew what they looked like then either. You know what I mean? It wasn't that kind of band. They were just like a like a. sea of in non-descript flannel shirts and hair, you know, but yeah, they still rock, babe. And the drummer did give me a signed drumstick. That's sick. That's probably hard to sign as

well. That is, I was going to say, yeah, it might be a signature model, so maybe it's printed on there. I'm not sure. I put it. So he gave you a drumstick. Yeah. He gave me a drumstick. He like, he made sure that I waited around after to get it. Like, it was like a very special gift. And me and Bethany, We got them. We were wasted. We had had like five to ten vodka drinks. I remember your Instagram stories from this night, and it's just there were like 45. We had a time, big clips of you singing.

Where is the St. Orange Capistrano? Yeah, where is that? Deep Orange County. We did rent a hotel that was about, like, less than a mile from the venue, coach house. Oh, that's nice. And then a mom, an Orange County mom, who was slightly tipsy that we befriended outside, did offer to drive us home. And we said, sure.

Sure. And then we were, then we were like, can you take us to Del Taco? I'm 40 years old. Del Taco. And she was like, for sure. She takes us to Del Taco. And babe, she paid for it. What? What a fucking hero. Was she a Bansplane fan or was it just about paying it forward? Just a fucking gem of a human being. We follow each other on Instagram to this day. Shout out to you, the real Cat von Sanchez. What an angel of our life that night had the worst hangover of my life the next morning. Absolutely worth it. Anyways, long way to say, my pick. Pop song is Hey Jealousy by the Jones. This is how you do it.

Yes, you're in peak draft mode right now. That's right. Firing on all cylinders, babe. Now it's someone else's his turn. It's my turn again. It's you. You're wrapping up. It's an embarrassment of riches.

I think we're into the wild card. No, we have to do rock. We haven't done rock song. I know. I have to do rap and then I have to do wild cards. We got, we got to go round one. Did you guys both already do rock song? I did because I picked the Black Crow's sometimes salvation.

What did you pick Rob? Oh, yes. I picked white zombie. You picked white zombie. I'm going to do something kind of weird, but it's very honest. Nirvana. Aneurism. Okay.

Is that a weird choice to you guys? Not at all. Insecticide heads, you know, that's, I would go. Insecticide is my favorite Nirvana album. Are you into Nirvana? Am I into Nirvana? Is that a real question? Yeah.

Is that a sincere question? I'm not super into Nirvana. Like, I like them. I know they're pretty good. I don't think anyone, that's like being like, are you into Led Zeppelin? You know what I mean? Yasi, I'm really into Led Zeppelin, no. Are you seriously?

I'm really into Led Zeppelin. Is that real? Hell yeah. Yeah, physical graffiti is like one of my favorite records ever made. I didn't know that either. I did not. That I am. We're learning, you guys, CR Reddit is going to go fucking nuts. They're eating when this episode comes out.

CR hive is fucking eating. They're learning. Mr. Thanksgiving. I'm just giving out jerks right now. Yes, bitch. They're like, what? black crows. Led Zeppelin over Nirvana all day.

Close quote, Chris Ryan. Wow. That's not even a real sentence. That makes any sense. That's what are we even saying. Anyway, I'm sorry to steal your aneurysm shine. Go for it. No, that's totally fine.

I could have, well, I guess Rob's right. We shouldn't pick songs off of the albums we pick. So I didn't want to pick a PJ Harvey song. I didn't want to pick a pavement. Obviously, both my pavement tattoos are summer babe tattoos. I could have picked Summer Babe. I feel like this is my, I am, to answer your question, I think Nirvana is a hard band to maintain a fandom of because it's like anything, you know, that's so fucking lionized and hot topicified that it's like, it's like Jimmy Hendricks or something. You know, again, maybe it's been long enough for Jimmy Hendricks or the doors or whatever, but like, I think Nirvana is still too freshly being recycled in our faces to this day.

like the dress, the style, the vibe, like we have not escaped it. So, yeah, I get what you're saying. But yeah, I love nerve. I mean, Nirvana was huge for me and particularly in utero and incesticide. Like, is it insecticide or is it incesticide? I would, the former, I think. I think insecticide, but I am not the pronunciation. To this day, I have been saying incesticide.

I just want you to have today years old. Incesticide is a very different image. It feels more like that. It feels more nirvana. It is a very nirvana image. I do agree with that. Do you see how I had no friends? Because I never said it out loud and nobody corrected me until today.

Insecticide, you say, according to you. Hello, later, Yossi here. Just popping in because I would be remiss if I did not mention that I did look it up. And actually, it is incesticide, not insecticide, as Christopher Ryan and Rob Harvilla. so assuredly corrected me. It's incesticide. You know it. I know it.

We all know it. That's all. Back to the episode. I think it's the best. Not the best. The best Nirvana album is in utero, but it's my favorite Nirvana album because it's full of songs

that are my favorite genre of Nirvana song, which is very fucked up love song, which this falls under. It's about Toby Vale. Oh, yeah. It's amazing. Beat me out of it. me as a, like, as like a sort of doo-wop, that was, that was to me Kurt Cobain's fucking

bread and butter was like taking a sort of classic do-wop-y song construct and just making it so fucked up and disgusting. And like, this is like, to me, just peak that. Yeah, because you, you, when you walk around and like a Nirvana song pops in your head, it's usually like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, it's like, it's like the melodies are actually really kind of like simple. They are like that. As everyone knows, he learned to play guitar from Louis, Louis, and it's like, it shows, babe.

But, like, it's, that's why we love it, right? Like, or what we, not Chris Ryan. Chris Ryan loves Led Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin and the Black Cros. Joe Satriani, I guess, fits into those categories. An honorary Allman brother over there. I want to congratulate the two of you for actually learning how to draft over the course of this, because now you're getting, this is like being on a pie with Sean and Amanda.

Thank you. This is. Yazi was all concerned about it, getting too much. mean. Yeah. She's the one coming out with both barrels. I was never concerned about being too mean. You guys can come from me all the live long day.

You know that I'm secure in my choices. So for me, so I'm going to go once. And then Rob, I think you only have one category left, right? After this. I have two. I have video and wild color. So I will start the final round that goes back up. Okay.

So for my rap song, I'm going to pick Know the Ledge by Eric B&Rocam from the juice soundtrack. but also you don't sweat the technique album. And this is, in some ways, like pound for pound, on an aesthetic level, the best anyone's ever wrapped. Oh. I don't disagree with that at all. It jumps out.

The rhythm, the rhythmic kind of, like, sensibility that he has and how he's, like, delivering these lines is so good. It's just like, if you were, like, an alien came to Earth and was like, what's rap? I would play him this. or her it is. Like I would just be like, here you go. I have to say, I kind of thought you might pick Gangstar.

I was thinking about it and take it personal is an incredible beat. But this is, this was like, I just sat in my room. I still sit in my room and just like wrap along. I'm currently sitting in my room. And Juice was an amazing movie from this era. Juice was like one of my favorite movies from this year. So Rob, it is to you. Great pick.

Okay. I'm wrapping this up. I got music video and I got. wild card. I believe both have already been picked by y'all. Yes. I picked November rain and Chris Ryan picked so what you want by the Beastie Boys for music video. Okay, music video I'm picking A-2 Proud to Begg by TLC. Wow, good one. I think I think just the image and it's only a split second in my memory it was the whole time but it's only a split second at the beginning like the left eye the actual condom most of the time but it's just for one second there and like,

that's the dominant image of 1992 pop, I think, is just the condom and the glasses. And just TLC obviously are going to define R&B across the 90s, you know, and like waterfalls, you know, no scrubs. Like I don't think there's an argument that this is the best or most influential TLC song. But it's just wild to revisit this video and how colorful it is, how buoyant it is, like how young they look and how excited they are, you know, to be pop stars. Right. And there's a lot of energy, like we were talking about the early 90s. And like I associate that with, you know, like groove is in the heart and C&C music factory and just these bright, frivolous, but beautifully constructed pop songs that feel as late 80s are the as they are early 90s.

And I think here in 1992, like this is the sort of the tail end of the 80s for me. Like this just feels like 80s MTV aesthetics and 80s R&B aesthetics bleeding into the 90s. And from this point forward, TLC are going to define what R&B is, what R&B can do, and what R&B videos can do for the rest of the decade. But I think this is the underrated video in their catalog, just how bombastic it is. The personality that they convey, you know, just sort of clowning around the way everybody in videos did. It's just a fantastic mesmerizing video to revisit it now. It's so rare.

Forget like R&B group, any group, like any band to have three. such distinct personalities. Like, so... Right. Exactly. Right. We don't... I'm serious, though.

We don't think that's not even allowed anymore. Like, you... Biggest girl group ever. Right. Yeah. Yeah. This is an awesome song. I was a T-Bos person.

Awesome music video. You were a T-Buzz? I was team T-Baz. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. Chile was the hottest, but I was a bit of a left-eye person myself.

There we go. What is your Wau card, Rob? Okay. Wild card. Wow. Okay. I don't want... I didn't want to be a

the first person that picked up I think Okay, I'm going the Bohemian Rhapsody scene in Wayne's world I think we'll go

with a little bohemian rhapsody gentleman good call I see a little silhouette of a man okay it's a good one

it's a fucking good one honestly this was so popular it was so huge just how I learned about Queen me too by fine

I never heard just like I had never I'd never seen Star Wars well no right did they play live um yes Queen

Queen, yes. Yeah, queen. I knew about them from live it. Yeah. Remember Mr. Robot on his teeth on the, in the movie? Mr. Robot. That's a giant teeth. This movie was tremendously important to me in 1992.

I have a pretty vivid memory of seeing it. I don't want to say opening night, but like it was like a packed theater in a suburb of Ohio on a Friday night. You know, and just when this started, you know, they're all in the car. It's like we need to put on some queen. and pop in the tape and it's just for the next three minutes, it's like the greatest movie experience of my entire life. Right? Like, it's hilarious.

And I can't say to you that I knew this song before then. Like, I probably did through osmosis or whatever. But, like, I think that if you were a kid, if you were a teenager, like, it felt new to you, Bohemian Rhapsody in that moment. And like, this is an early example and, like, one of the biggest examples of, like, a song from the past suddenly becoming a song from the president. Like, they started playing it on the radio again. Like, the Kate Bush.

thing. Yeah. It's exactly, that's great. That's exactly what it is. This is the running up that hill of 1992. That's the perfect way to put it. Thank you. Damn.

This movie really made Hesher's look cool. That's first of all. And I must say, my one claim, closest claim to fame at this time. I have many more later down the life. You have many of those, as I recall. But my biggest crush, starting in the sixth grade. So I was still 10. Jonathan Negroni

If you're listening Hi babe I don't think he listens To this show Jonathan Nogroni That's right Jonathan Nogroni What a gorgeous

What a gorgeous Sixth grader Long beautiful hair He was like Half Samoan And his cousin That's right His cousin was Tia Carrere

What And I thought this was The coolest God damn thing In the entire world Wow And you guys You know it's really sweet

I haven't seen him In upwards of 20 years Okay every year on my birthday text message is me happy birthday can I ask a question yes did it seem like was Jonathan like pretty proud

it like was he like my cousin Tia Carrera is gonna like like we're all we're on the rocket ship space with no because he was like too cool to like brag you know like it just like came to be known but I don't even remember him ever talking about it like he would not have had that

I would not have had that restraint if you looked like Jonathan Growny. You honestly might have. His hair. Anyway, sorry. That's a good wild party card pick, Rob. Yeah, that is a really good one. Now I feel I'm woefully unprepared.

I will add mine, which is Pearl Jam performing porch on MTV Unplugged. And Eddie Vedder ready pro choice on his arm as they jammed out on acoustic guitars. Did you do this for William Simmons? No, I did it for myself because I remember when I saw this. I was just like, wow, like, anything can happen. I was just like, there's just no, there is no wall, there is no seatbelt. This guy is making this like political statement on MTV. It seems like they, like, MTV didn't know it was happening.

Like they didn't know what to do. Like the stools are getting kicked over. And it was just about how even when you unplug, you can still rock. You know what I mean? There you go. You could really. Important lesson. Really let the jaguar out of the cage.

No, I actually love this song off 10. I am a versus guy if I'm picking between 10 and versus. But this was just an amazing performance. You remember where you were kind of moment. I'm just, I'm upset because I don't have something cool like this. Do you want to take five minutes and think about it? No. The thing is like, I'm actually, because I was 10, I don't have.

a lot of like culturally significant memories. But you could go, you could be even like in the time since you could go back and be like, what about this? No. No. No. I don't think so. I don't think I will. I think I'll just, my pick is the Under the Bridge video directed by Gus Van Sand.

Just that song, which is 91, so not for a song. But what a, what a fucking, like, let me ask you guys, actually, because like, for me, for me, this is absolutely my culture is not your costume core, right? Like, this is absolutely like, these are my people, like, yes, of course, Anthony Kitas is walking around whatever Santee Alley that I've gone to with my mom a million times, very close to to wear the five T-shirts for $10 or 10, or 10 T-shirts, but whatever existed. Like, fucking John Fashanty's out. Just like the whole thing, the ocean, the tattoos, like this was like...

It looked like it was happening on Jupiter to me. Yeah, agree. So you guys, you were like, what is this? Who are these men? I was wearing sporting goods clothes. Swearing off West Coast rap. I was head to toe Big Five bitch. Who are you wearing, Chris Ryan?

Big Five, men. Are you wearing the new Big Five collection? That's right. I said November rain from my music video because I think it was. was to me just so culturally impactful. Just like that was just so insane. But as a piece of filmmaking to see on MTV, this was like the coolest, weirdest video I had seen to date.

Like the doubling of the screen of like Anthony Kedis running in slow motion with like nuclear bombs going on in the background. It just opening on Frusciante. A lot of bomb imagery in videos back then. Yeah. They were raging on some. It was just a lot. But yeah, man, this video, you know, John Fershanti dressed himself, his girlfriend dressed him.

That's not shocking at all. But Gus Van Sant was, like, so stoked because he looks perfect. You guys will never get to see it, unfortunately. You guys, the listeners, Rob you and Chris can see it. Rob, I think you have seen. I made you watch it. But me and producer Dylan did recreate several scenes from this music video in which producer Dylan was John Fershanti.

I was Anthony Kitas and I do run in slow motion for much of this. I was going to ask how that was filmed. Yeah. How you enjoyed the process of that? How far did you run have to run? How many takes did that require? There's a lot of takes. Luckily, I'm in excellent shape, cardiovascularly, as I do work out.

I had to really keep my arms stiff because you don't see it. It is a very, it's a robotic motion. I mean, they did it with very good camera magic in the actual video. I think I saw. It was like on a car and a whole thing. But no, this was just the DP running backwards or maybe like sliding backwards and me. But yeah. This is a great time in America where we had running in music videos.

Remember Wax, California? Yes. Oh, is that the one where he's on fire? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, running in music videos was like a big thing at this time. Also, this was, we didn't talk about it even smells like Teen Spirit music video.

But I only brought it up to say this is when also. So we start seeing punk band t-shirts on MTV, which we didn't see before. Like, I can't remember what Kurt is wearing in the Smells Like Teen Spirit music video, what t-shirt he's wearing. He's wearing, Kirk Cobain is wearing this iconic striped situation that then they recreated at Miller's Outpost and I did buy. Whatever. This is a long way to say that's my wild card pick, but in conjunction with stereo MC's connected. Please continue. Now, usually when we get to the end of these drafts, so we can.

we can announce what we all picked if we want to now. Okay. So, Yassie, why don't you go first? Tell us what you picked. Okay. For album of the year, 1992, I chose PJ Harvey's Dry. Rock song, Nirvana's aneurism. Pop song, Hey Jealousy by the Jen Blossoms. Music video, Guns and Roses, November Rain. And Wildcard, the Red Hot Chili Peppers Under the Bridge video. Okay. For music video, I picked The Beastie Boys, So What You Want. For album, I pick pavement slanted and enchanted. For rock song, I picked The Black Crow's Sometimes Salvation. For pop song, I picked Mary J. Blige, Real Love. For rap song, I picked Know the Ledge by Rock M. And for a wild card, I picked Pearl Jam playing porch in MTV Unplugged. I just checked Spotify, Chris, and that Black Crow song has already jumped 500,000 plays. I don't know how the word got out. We must be tapped.

Nico posted it to see our heads ready. We had. And they immediately militarized to prove their king right. The barbs, whatever the barbs equivalent of Black Crow's fans, they're on it. And this is very exciting to be a part of history. I personally, let's see, album, I picked REMs automatic for the people. Rock song, I picked White Zombies, Thunder Kiss, 65. Rap song, I picked Pete Rock and C.L. Smooth.

They reminisce over you. Pop song, I picked Whitney Houston. I will always love you. Music video, I picked TLC, Ain't Too Proud to Begg. And Wildcard, Queen Bohemian Rhapsody from the Wayne's World movie. Guys, I want to change my wild card. Interesting. Okay.

I will allow it if you change it. Okay, go ahead. Who bullied you? I felt bullied. We were totally chill about it. I know you're both so nice. Honestly, truly the nicest mental life. I want to say Catherine Wheel Black Metallic.

That's where my heart really lies. That's my wild car choice. Because I love that song and I still listen to it several times a week to this day. and I think it was one an early shoe gaze classic and it is it doesn't stand alone but maybe at the top of the canon

of songs in which a man compares the object of his love to a car. There's an F ton of bands that sound like Catherine Will now you know go ahead and sound I'm like sound like hum I don't care what was your previous wild card

red hot chili peppers under the bridge so you talked about the red hot chili peppers like five minutes and then immediately booted them. That's right. And a last minute maneuver for black metallic. And I respected it. I think because she felt corny picking two music videos. It just wasn't in my heart and soul.

Yeah. Okay. And it's my show. Under the bridge wasn't in your heart and soul. No, it is. But it's like this is not my, it's not a wild card. It's not wild enough.

We usually wrap up by saying congratulations to everyone. And then we also say, what were some songs or things that you really wanted to mention but didn't get a chance to it. Okay. yeah congratulations everyone

yeah congrats to everyone and then yeah yeah it was something that you really wanted to talk about or something that you wanted to pick but you just couldn't find a spot for it

I'll go while you're looking I'll say nearly lost you by the screaming trees I was gonna say yeah excellent just an awesome song we recently lost Mark Lanigan and I was just

that song is just so good when he passed away I was like, I just haven't listened to this in a while. I was like, I think I've listened to it like once a week since then. So it's just still goes. It could have been your favorite best rock song. Phenomenal rock voice. Yeah.

But he couldn't sing the black pros. It doesn't quite have the best single vocal performance in the history of recorded music. Got it, got it, got it. Tough break for the screaming trees, yeah. Bobby Harvilles, the Prince of Wins. What did you want to talk about? Did you just come up with that? I did.

Thank you. I have two things to say. First of all, Yassi, I think Chris knows the answer to this. Yassi, do you know the Pazinjop album and single winner for 1992? The most critically acclaimed artist who created the best album and single of 1992, according to rock critics in 1992. PJ Harvey. Arrested DeVillis. Oh, yes, I did know that.

I know. I can't believe none of us talked. They're in my lists, but lower down. I can't believe none of us talked about Tennessee. I think it's not Or Mr. Wendell. I think Tennessee over Mr. Wendell

everyday people argue over both of them. What's catcher? I don't, it's, I think they're pretty respected, but like that's a very, when you're looking at Paa's and job winners, that jumps out to you, arrested development.

Bob Criscoe. What were you? What drugs were you smoking that year? Yeah. It's my man. PJ Harvey was number two, as I recall. So that's, that she should have. She probably should have taken that one, but that just jumped out at me. Yeah.

This, I don't think she cared at all. The song I kept trying to squeeze in somewhere was, damn, I wish I was your lover by Sophie B. Heardt. That's a great song. People don't talk enough. That was almost my pop song pick, but I had to go to hate that. I would have been really upset if you'd have done that because that's, I was going to, I was going to do, I was going to do pop song.

I was going to do video sight unseen. I was like, I assume there was a video for this song. It's probably fine. It's not obscure, but like it's buried enough to be a wild card. Like I probably should have snuck it in. It's almost a rock song. Like, not really, but there's enough blood there that, yeah, you could squeeze that in. But no, that's a fantastic song.

Also, one of the early, like, homoerotic pop songs that got a lot of flack for it because she was omnisexual, as she said herself. Is that what she, that's the term she used? in that era. I don't know if she would amend. So I was going to ask the difference between Omni and Polly, but we probably don't want it. We don't have time for that on this program right now.

That's right. This is right. We're going to draft the different sexualities. Yeah. Do you feel hysterical because this podcast is ending only an hour and 40 minutes after it began? Yeah. I don't feel hysterical. I'm just like, what do I do with myself?

What am I going to? Who am I going to go talk to you in there? Joe Strummer is still 10 years old at this point. It is. I have two that I can't believe I didn't talk about. One is anything by the Lemonheads because shame about Ray came out this year, which is truly one of my favorite albums of all time. But I think I just kind of understand it to be just that. Like one of my favorite albums of all time, which maybe doesn't need to be held up against, just a lot of competition as all I'm saying.

Okay, I lied. There's two more things. One is none of us talked about Cermix a lot, Baby got back. We did. Sorry, huge song of 1992. The video, no one picked the video. The video, the giant butts. Yeah, that's an oversight on our part.

Oh, and Madonna Rain. I love Madonna Rain. Madonna is one of my favorite songs of all time. But, again, couldn't find a place for it. So those are my three that I wish. Rage Against the Machine. pretty notable exclusion yeah exclusion we didn't talk about rage we didn't talk about sonic youth dirty that's fine did killing in the name come out in 92 I do believe it did yes is that true

I think the thing that we didn't talk about we talked about it briefly in the beginning when Rob was discussing going to see the zoo TV tour but you two ran 1992 really I mean and we didn't about who's going to ride your wild horses. Mysterious Waze. All those songs were basically like bangers all that year. Because Octon came out in November of 91, right? I think so.

It was late. So the one video, right? Like the Buffalo. What about the one where, what about the other one video? Remember there's two videos for one? There's the bar. He's like sitting in a bar. Yeah.

Did you guys like the Who's going to Ride Your Wild Horses Temple Bar remix with the acoustic guitars? I'm unfamiliar. That slipped my mind. Damn. What is it called? That was on a maxi CD.

What's wrong with you guys? The Who remix? Temple Bar remix. Temple Bar remix. Temple Bar is like, you know, in Dublin. Like, it's like an area. Yeah, whatever. And then it's like their kind of like looser version of the song.

But it's like, I want to hear it. That would go. I can picture that. They might have played that on the radio. And you would be like, oh my God, this is the one that's not on the album. This is unplugged. Bono is on the stool. you know, just writing.

I love myself on his hand. Yeah, that's a profound image. My guy, Flood, just on the boards there. What was, Rob, what was the episode? It was Smashing Pumpkins when we got to, like, Machino 2 where I was like, Flood, retire, bitch. He absolutely hit a place where it was like, let's wrap it up. And he retired.

That was the wildest thing. He actually did. He heard the show. He was the only person in history. He was like, okay. Yeah, you're right. The coolest thing about making music, by far in 1994 was like a purely bald Englishman could make like three million dollars for

mixing a record just because he was like in the room. Andy Wallace. Alan Mulder? They would just be like Alan Mulder. Yes. Okay. Yeah, just just turn a knob here and there and yeah. Yassie will you have best mixing of the 90s fans playing mixing draft? Absolutely. I can't wait to do that one. as you know, my trained musicians year, which can totally hear the difference between mixes. I used to think about it. I was like, oh, God, it's really a clean mixer. It's good. You know what?

I will say I downplay myself and my abilities, but when I did listen to, speaking of Andy Wallace, the Andy Wallace Replacements mixes, they're actually so much better. And then there's the Albini in utero mixes, right? Yeah. Yeah. So you do, I am kind of like, actually, mixers are doing. doing the lion's share of work. And then the producers, like,

dancing around being like, more fucking vitriol, babe. What are you even thinking about? Put your heart into it. I love the part of it. That's what was cooler. In the 90s, that's what producers, that's all they did.

They just, like, vibe managed. I wish I could have been a producer in the 90s. The Rick Rubin. The Rick Rubin. The fact Guy Stevens, that's from the, that's from the Clash era. But that was for a long time. That's all they did.

But I'm going to pour a whole line on the piano. get it together. And they're like, okay. Okay. So is this a situation where you're going to put our picks up and it's we're going, are we going to have this element of who won or is that just not the spirit of this enterprise? But only on Facebook because we feel like Facebook is, Facebook is where.

On Mastodon. True. Engage happens. Five people on Mastodon. We can do whatever. What do you guys normally do for the other shows? On the big picture they put them on Twitter and say who won the draft. So it's like a thread with like all the different.

And then it's a. There's a graphical element. Yeah. And then they click. Yeah, that's fine. Ringer employees assist us in this manner. Yeah,

that's no one's going to help us. We're just, yeah, we're on a row. Yeah, sure. I don't, I mean,

it doesn't feel like a winning or losing situation here. I think it was about spreading joy in, I think Chris Ryan will win inevitably because he's just more popular. There is the cult of personality there. I don't often win big picture. I'm third most popular.

I was going to say, do you know your stats? It feels like Amanda, I can picture her with a spreadsheet. Amanda's been on a bit of a run. I've also reverted back to type where I've started just like picking the stuff that I like rather than trying to please people. I wanted to blow your mind, Chris Ryan, because I did listen to one episode of the Big Pig draft to prepare myself for this. And it was 1997, great year for me. But you said that Mall Rats was your favorite Kevin Smith movie.

And I was talking to producer Niko, because she's bringing a mall, rats shirt today. And she was like, what's your favorite? And I was like, I'm really sorry to say this. and it's just, I'm just saying it because it came to my heart, but it's dogma. Oh, I thought you were going to say chasing Amy. No, it's dogma. Is that not crazy? Don't people hate dogma?

I love dogma. It's like, it's pretty rough. It's available anymore, like for some reason. Did they do something? Is it racism or something? No, it's just a dogma. Like, I think there's something in dogma that means it. Like, there was like a rights issue where dogma now is like you can't see it.

Alonis Morrisette as God is just YouTube cannot. Salma Hayek is an angel. Linda Fierrentino. fucking sick. I just thought it was a cool movie. It's fucking sue me. I'm never going to be invited on the Big Pick. That's for damn sure. I'm sure you will. I can talk about Gross Point Blank for like four hours though if anyone else. I love that. One of my favorite albums. When we do soundtracks, Rob.

This is a pleasure. We've reached the... Did you have a good time, Chris? I did. I just want you guys to know that Chris Ryan stepped away from an extremely important football game to do this. And he does deserve a lot of praise and adoration for that. Thanks. Thank you. Absolutely. I'm going to go. find out who won. Thank you guys for joining us. Come back next year for a new episode of Bansplain and happy holidays. If you liked what you heard today, subscribe for more episodes of Bansplaine, only on Spotify. Our gorgeous guests today were Rob Harvilla and Chris Ryan. Follow them on Twitter

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