Barbell Shrugged - 124- Workout, Party, Repeat w/ CrossFit Regionals Athlete Jackie Perez

Episode Date: June 20, 2014

This week on a very special bonus episode of the Barbell Shrugged podcast we are joined by Jackie Perez, competitive Crossfit athlete and one of the lead trainers at Crossfit CSA in Dublin, California.    If you haven’t heard about Jackie then you’re in for a treat. She’s one of the most entertaining and unfiltered guests we’ve ever had on the show. If you do know her, well, you can guess what happens next. Let’s just say you’re in for a treat.    I’ll be honest, we spent the first half of the show talking about partying, the sensual pleasures of almond champagne, and how she really doesn’t take her training all that seriously. You won’t find too many pearls and nuggets at the start, but you’re very likely to laugh out loud a few times. Enjoy the banter, but understand that this party side of Jackie is really just a ploy, a facade, a clever bit of misdirection. As we learned during the second half of the show, there’s actually way more to Jackie than first meets the eye.    Here’s what you need to understand - When it comes to performance there are no exceptions, short-cuts, or free lunches. Physical gifts will only get you so far. If you want to be an extraordinary coach or athlete, then you’re going to have to work very hard, just about all the time. You also have to make tough choices and sacrifices in your personal life. There needs to be plenty of room made for all that effort and output.   “Coach or athlete”, that’s really the choice. Jackie fills her days from dawn to dusk by working with clients. She cares, she grinds away at the craft, and she’s just as animated and salty in her classes as she is on this particular podcast. In short, she’s made her choice and understands that it comes with a cost. There’s just not much room or energy left over for pushing her body to the limit.    Jackie gets results in her training because she accepts her personal limits. She prioritizes, doing more with less. Most importantly, she understands that making a serious run at winning the Crossfit Games as an individual athlete is just not a realistic expectation. That would mean spending a lot less time coaching. It would mean passing on that second glass of champagne, which is something that she would rather not do. For her, the balance is more important.     That’s a lesson worth keeping. If you want to be the absolute best at what you do then go all in. Make the full commitment. Be willing to cut and make room for the effort. If not, fine, just do not pretend. Don’t make excuses. Don’t beat yourself up when things don’t go as planned. Instead, pop a fresh bottle of bubbly and learn to enjoy yourself.    For more Jackie check out her YouTube channel. See for yourself that she’s no barbell lightweight. You can also find her on Instagram, just in case you’re curious about that almond champagne lifestyle.   Cheers, Chris Moore

Hey, this is Rich Froning. You're listening to Barbell Shrugged. For the video version, go to barbellshrugged.com. Welcome to Barbell Shrugged. I'm Mike Bledsoe here in beautiful San Jose. Doug Larson, Chris Moore, CTP behind the camera. We're here for the CrossFit Games regional NorCal is where we're at. Yeah, is that regional? It's hard to keep up. We've gone to four.

This is our fourth one now. And you know what? Watching people exercise is still exciting after four weekends in a row. You're lying. I was like, don't lie. I'll tell you what,

watching girls do straight handstand pushups, nothing more exciting than watching them try to knock them out. Standing there looking at the rope. That's always exciting. We're here with Jackie Perez of CSA CrossFit. She's representing the team here. Yep. We're crushing it.

Welcome. Thank you. Mr. Perez. Mr. Perez. Mr. Perez. We've been making fun of her voice all morning. She has a deep, sultry voice. She doesn't like it for some reason. I think it's just fine.

Yeah, so you were brought to my attention last week by our friend over at FitAid. And he was like, oh, she's like this person on the West Coast that has all these followers. And I got to learn more about you over the past week. And I'll be honest, I didn't know much about you before that. And I was like, oh. But he said you were cool, so we started looking into it. Come to find out, you're like a role model for a lot of women. That's what Diane Foose is.

I mean. Yeah, Diane had nothing but good things to say about Depends on who you ask. Yeah, Diane's really cool. And you have like three times as many

Instagram followers as us. So we got to take a page out of your book one of these days. Yeah, but you don't work out in your underwear.

Ah, that's the trick. I do, but it doesn't have the same effect. I guess it's different. Maybe you get a little bit tanner. Sexier. All right, booty

shorts, sports bras, Chris Moore. We got to get you hooked up with some new clothes. Try it, see if we can get more followers. Because you said that, now people expect me to do it.

We probably would get some new followers, but maybe not the followers we want. That's true. Or not the kind of attention and quality of attention I would desire.

There are some creepers out there. Since this podcast isn't live, we can do whatever we want and not post it later. So I'll bring up some things that might might might might not be right you might be like oh screw you okay whatever but uh so i was told by somebody that um like are you nervous all right let me build it up more than

the way that you said that like oh fuck what did he hear and who told him we googled your name and this is the first three things we found. Oh, fuck. Nice. I do have a buddy. If you Google his name, the first thing that pops up is, you know, what do they call it when you get your picture in jail? Oh, mugshot.

Mugshot. It's like first thing, he's like mugshot. I was like, oh, that's not good. Some guy's like, should we hire this guy? What's his name? Mugshot. Nevermind. It's like, dude, you this guy? What's his name? Mugshot. Never mind. It's like, dude, you need to get more active on social media or something,

so that's not the first thing that pops up. But I was told you make a good role model for a lot of women because you don't take, I guess you do take competing serious, but you're not like putting all your eggs in that basket. And it's not one of those things where you're letting it identify or identifying with that. I'm pretty honest with people when I say I like to party, and it's not one of those things where like it's letting it you're letting it uh identify or you know identifying with that i'm pretty honest with people when i say like i like to party i like to drink i like to work out so i just want to have a good time i want that order uh yeah party

sadly it is but i mean not everyone's trying to win the games so if your role models are all these people are hardcore crossfitters it's like they're not very realistic to your goal some people just want to look good like people are like what's your goal I'm like I want to look

fucking good this summer and they're like well what about crossfit I'm like yeah that's going to make me look good this summer competing keeps me doing it because if I stop competing

I'll stop I'll just start eating like shit and I'll stop giving a fuck so you're like a real person and then I'll party too much if I stop doing crossfit so you need something

keeping you. So you feel like you get a good balance? I mean, you look like you got a good balance going on. Yeah, yeah. The wife's comment.

You look like your balance is fantastic. Yeah, so I mean, I try to balance it out well. That's why I didn't do individual this year. The pressure, I wasn't that committed this year.

I'm like, I'm not trying to be, I already live at the gym. I work out two hours in between all my freaking clients and teaching classes there's no way I'd be there any longer than I had to be right now I find that to be true with like a lot of people um uh and especially women because women get caught up in physique a little bit I think and they they want to be like super competitive they want to work all these hours and they also want to have to, you know, relax on the weekends and stuff like that. I think they get wrapped up too much.

And if they fail at making it to regionals as an individual or something like that, and then they're like, then they just don't feel good about themselves. It's probably better just to set, I guess, realistic goals for the type of lifestyle you want to live. Yeah, for sure. I mean, some people are very competitive and they're like, I'm going to make it to the games. I'm like, that's fucking cool, but I'm just going to get as far as I can in regionals with what the time that I have right now. Like, I have no

life already, so if you can imagine trying to train with an Oli coach, a gymnastics coach, endurance coach, and then trying to have a life, it just doesn't fucking work. Or I don't have that, because I'm not that committed. Well, that's what it takes nowadays. Yeah, it really does. Yeah. And that's fine if that's your thing. Like I told people, if that's your fucking thing, go for it.

But I'm going to be like, if we go to Vegas, we go crazy. Like last time I came back, I had a competition on Friday. And I was like, if I die, Liz, you tell them everything that happened leading up to this. So those are the kind of things I want to do. I don't want to go to Vegas and be like, oh, I can't drink. I can't eat anything because I got to compete. I don't want to go to Vegas and be like, oh, I can't drink, I can't eat anything because I got to compete. I'm going to go fucking party hard

and then we get to the competition and whatever happens, happens and we'll go from there. You're going to be in Vegas June 16th through 18th? We're actually in San Diego 16th through 18th. We'll be on the 4th of July though.

It's fight week and some people from our gym are fighting. Oh, nice. So we're going UFC and then we're going Muay Thai Friday night. I was getting excited.

I was thinking, maybe she'll be in Vegas at the same time as us. I was like, damn, I should go to that. Yeah, that's going to be crazy fun. Liz was laughing in the background. Like, all of that was totally true. Is that right, Liz? She's like, hell yeah, Liz.

Hell yeah. Yeah. She's my partner in crime. She knows everything. She knows all your secrets. I try not to piss her off because she's like, don't make me start telling people.

I'm like, get another mic up. I was going to say, we should bring her on the second half. No, I haven't been really nice these days. So don't worry. Oh yeah.

She's like, how's your coffee? I'm like, you get bitchy when you compete. Need a little more butter. No, but just, actually I don't.

I mean, I think that's the problem is I don't give a fuck that much. So I'm just like, fuck it. Let's go out there and see what happens. You probably perform better that way. You know what? Sometimes I think I do because it's less pressure. Like I don't give a fuck if I get first or last place. I'm just

going to go out there, do my best, try to look as skinny as I can. That was a modest reason. Very provocative motivational speaker. I don't know. That happens though. Like my wife might be going to compete in something. She's like, does this make me look fat?

Oh, I mean, at every angle there's cameras so you're like, I mean, we all start eating really well like the week before. But it's like the closer

it gets to something like that. There's nothing to it performance. That might be a little too late. It sounds like you're not that concerned about looking skinny. But week before.

performance it'll come. I mean, usually I do better under pressure. Like I'll go to the gym and I'll suck. Like I'll try to do like eight muscles in a row and I. performance, it'll come. I mean, usually I do better under pressure. Like I'll go to the gym and I'll suck. Like I'll try to do like eight muscles in a row and I'm like,

I fucking suck. Everything hurts. I can't do it. And I get to the regionals and I'm just like, oh, where the fuck was that? So I know I'll compete better.

Yeah, I'll compete way better under pressure so I don't stress out too much in the gym. So even though you're not trained to compete. That's a good excuse for not training hard.

No, no, man, I'll save it for the platform. People are like, Jackie, watch out. I don't want you to start overtraining getting hurt. I'm like, oh, no, no, no, not training hard. No, no, man. I'll save it for the platform. People are like, Jackie, watch out. I don't want you to start overtraining, getting hurt. I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no. I'm an under trainer.

Don't get me wrong. I haven't even hit anything close to potential because I've never tried that hard. So maybe I'll get a coach next year. I'll stop drinking every night. Maybe I'll start doing those. Yeah, every single night. Damn. Every other night.

Every other night. You stand corrected. How old are you? How can you do this. Every other night. You stand corrected. How old are you? How can you do this? The manager told me to shut up. It's every other night. Don't get me wrong. It's every other night.

Oh, okay. I mean, when I was younger, I drank every night and pulled it off. So you must just be young. No, I'm 30. I have no excuse anymore. It's just after a long day of work, the one thing I want is a drink when I get home. Margarita? Tall? Either Patron, yeah, or

I'm not going to say it. She's saying Schlitzmall Liquor is what I thought. What's coming next? It just sounds ridiculous. It just sounds ridiculous that we drink champagne. Oh, you pop bottles every other day like it's the weekend? I love drinking champagne.

I'm obsessed with this almond champagne. I don't like wine. Is that a thing? Almond champagne? Yeah, it's ridiculous. I know. So when people are like, what are you guys drinking? I'm like, champagne. They're like, what are you celebrating every night?

I don't like wine. It's Tuesday, bitches. Wow. Still alive. No, I know it sounds ridiculous, but I don't like wine or anything so I like champagne but usually champagne gives me a headache

but we found this one that I can drink almost every night and I don't know but it's made of almonds no I think it's an almond accent I don't think

there's anything it kind of smells of almond so it doesn't make a difference it doesn't give you a hangover it just tastes good day after day

it depends on how much you drink yeah it just tastes like Kool-Aid I just keep going which is a problem after two bottles we're like it was a night Hangover just tastes good day after day. I mean, depends on how much you drink. Yeah, it just tastes like Kool-Aid. I just keep going. Oh, wow. Which is a problem. After two bottles, we're like, it was a night.

You're going to be up at six. Who cares? Who cares? This is so bad. Oh, my God. Watch Good Questions. I am the worst role model ever. You keep your training in perspective.

You know what? We're not posting this episode. You keep your training in perspective. You like to have a good time. You drink the almond champagne. How many hours of sleep a night are you getting? Well, if you go to bed at one,

I'll be up at eight because I work at nine. That's not bad. That's not bad. I expected worse. Is coaching your full-time gig? Yeah. Coaching and then personal training

all day. All fucking day. I get there at nine in the morning. I leave at eight at night. So your gym is not like most CrossFit gyms because it also has... You've partnered with an MMA facility.

There's a bit of strength and conditioning that might not be considered CrossFit going on there. We have Jesse Burdick in the back and he does the power lifting. We've got a little mix of everything. The power, the power lifting. Jesse is fantastic. We love Jesse.

I had the honor of getting beaten by him at a squat workout at the Westside Barbell. Oh, nice. Back when we were both much fatter. Jesse was fatter? He got big. Dude, Jesse. Don't tell him. Jesse got big.

Don't tell him. He's in a good spot now. I'm going to link this YouTube video to his Twitter. I'm going to be like, hey, Jesse, check this out. Oh, God. No, I love Jesse. Saying that now. We're going to be heading up to Mark Bell's facility.

Oh, nice. Okay. Tuesday. Oh, okay, nice. It's our showdown. Oh. Because I'm at a lifting shape. He's in the best lifting shape.

Oh, shit. I'm going to smash him. So he says. I'm going a lifting shape. He's in the best lifting shape. Oh, shit. I'm going to smash him. That's what he says. I'm going to smash him. Last time, he just had a hard time just keeping up when we were at Westside last year. Well, no. It was the same situation. I'd been not really training that hard for a few months.

I kind of got out of the rhythm. And you were kind of... I got my goat milk back online. It all depends on my goat milk. And you beat me. Or just basically did. I got really mad and trained hard for the next eight months. So it's that time of year again.

And I got to where he could beat me again. So now it's... Now you had your best of years. Yeah, I'm like the strongest I've ever been. And now I'm going to go train... I'm not. I just ate three donuts before this podcast. So the thing is, I'm already winning the mental game.

I'm demoralizing. You got it in my head over breakfast. He's like, is that what you're going to eat? Is that the best you can do? It's a chorizo omelet. It's delicious. We had like three times the food. Yeah, I mean, you got to eat as many calories as I'm consuming if you're going to keep up.

What a life. Oh, my God. You would love this lifestyle. I see the power lichers and they can eat anything they want. I'm like, I'm the wrong keep up. What a life. Oh my God. You would love this lifestyle. I see the power litters and they can eat anything they want. I'm like, I'm the wrong fucking sport. This is ridiculous.

Yeah. But if you got power, the big, you probably lose a few Instagram followers. That's the problem. I know. I don't know. I mean,

have you guys seen Jesse's post lately? I mean, he wears spandex like me. He's particularly sexy. Yeah, that's true. That's true. He's got that big head. He's going to watch this.

As somebody with a big head, I'm sensitive to that terminology. We'll title this like, we just bashed Jesse Burdick on the show. That's all we do. We'll bring him back on. He can bash you back. Yeah, there we go. It'll be a battle of podcasts back and forth. I do weight lift, and I'm in a weight class,

so even though I'm bloating right now, I'm going to probably, as soon as I get home next week, I'm going to have to probably start watching my diet because I'm about five pounds over where I'm supposed to be. So this is bulking phase? This is living phase.

He's living his life. This is being strong phase. Fuck cardio phase? Yeah, fuck cardio phase. We did seal fit on Tuesday oh three hour WOD with Mark Devine

that was cardio how'd you do fine yeah until we got to the run and I I lagged behind a little bit but you know

and the hardest part was like some warrior yoga I was I was sitting there like shaking like a leaf man it was grunting and straining it was bad

have you tried any of that stuff um no I mean not seal fit there's hot yoga you tried any of that stuff? No, I mean, not seal fit. There's hot yoga here and there, but it gets really fucking boring. I mean, an hour and a half. It's like, yeah, I've never done seal fit, but I did hot yoga once. How the fuck is that the same thing? Mark Devine of seal fits going right now.

Oh, yeah, same thing. Those yogis are just like Navy SEALs. Yeah, your Navy SEAL class also filled like 10, 40-year-old women doing a class with you. Yeah, I know. You have to come out

and do the 50-hour straight Kokoro thing that Mark puts on. I think I saw Katie Hogan did that and I just thought that was ridiculous and I would not survive.

I would not survive. You should do it. We're going to do it next March, I think. Yeah. That's what we're shooting for. You're going to do it? She's here this week. We should ask her about it. Yeah. Yeah, we're going to do it next March I think That's what we're shooting for She's here this week I'm going to ask her about it

Yeah we're going to bring The whole Barbell Shrug team So all the staff And the support also You can't make it through that You're fired We have a couple weightlifting coaches On the team and they're like shit

I'm going to have to run And then Chris. Again, we'll somehow challenge each other. I just will refuse to lose because I got the heart of a champion. The next time we try to recruit an intern, we should just send all 30 or 40 interns to Kokoro. And then whoever survives can be

brought on to the next pool of applicants. Damn, that's a great idea. The Hunger Games for interns. 10 men enter, one man leave. Hey, intern. You great idea. The Hunger Games for interns. The Hunger Games for interns. Ten men enter, one man leaves. Hey, intern. You get no pay,

but you can hang around. That's right. You get to hang out. That's right. So we never actually got your background and how you got into all this. You want to tell a little bit about yourself? Well, I played every sport I could growing up. I mean, I just didn't want to go

like the whole drug route. So I was like, what's going to keep me out of it? So it's like sports or drugs? Well, kind of. I mean, it's either people have nothing to do so they do drugs

or you have sports and you need discipline. All drugs? Man. I just didn't want, I'd see people in high school going that route and I was like,

I don't want to do that. So I just did any sport I could and then. Like steroids? I wish, dude. I'd be strong. That's the drugs your friends are using to you?

Oh yeah, true. I don't know about that. You ever been accused of being on steroids? Because using to you. Oh, yeah, true. Yeah, I don't know about that. You ever been accused of being on steroids? Just because of my voice. Oh, really? Listen to your voice.

It's too sexy and sultry to be natural. What are you talking about? Growing up, they teach you about steroids. They're like, your voice gets deep. And I'd be like, oh. Oh, you took steroids. You're 13 years old. I was like, no.

I mean, all the stupid Instagram comments. Like, oh, you're so. I mean, they think I'm the I mean, all the stupid Instagram comments, like, oh, you're so, like, I mean, they think I'm the best. Those are the best. Those are the best. Those are, I mean, they start to get on my nerves after a while. There's so much blocking and deleting. I try not to, but sometimes they piss me off, like, so bad that I have to say something.

And I'll let them get a few more words before I block them. I don't like to just block them, not give them one last word. That's polite of you, really. Let them have the last word. Oh, yeah. And if it wasn't that bad, I'll leave it up. But if they're assholes, I'll just leave it. What's the worst comment that's ever been made about you?

About me? That just burned into your mind that you'll never forget. I'm about to give that person some credit. The one that made you cry. No, no one's. I mean, not that. You're ugly. Like, shit like that.

Oh, really? People say that shit? Or like, you look like a man or something like that. But those, I really don't give a fuck. Wow. I mean, sometimes I do. That's pretty crazy. Yeah.

You're like, I guess they're right sometimes. I'm going to guarantee you don't look like a man. Well, my God. This is ridiculous. Don't be like, my coach goes on there and he has to delete some comments because I don't know. Sometimes he'll say stuff in different languages or whatever. And he's like, well, because I'm like, don't delete. I'm like, just leave it.

And he's like, do you know what they're saying? I'm like, no. It's like, I want to cut your throat because the women aren't supposed to be working out naked, you know, working out.

So people, no, people from other countries, like they're just assholes. Like, so all those foreign language comments, they're usually, they might mean something.

I need to have someone check that out. They're usually something really mean. So we just delete any negativity. We're like, get it out. We should have some. Yeah. I, our. Our policy is pretty much just not to touch it.

Just leave it. Just let it be. And don't argue back. No arguing allowed. It took me five years to get used to that. No, no, dude, listen. You don't have to answer the comments. It's not like it's a mandatory thing

that you insult them back. Yeah, that's hard. Because I'll go to their profile and see, like, what kind of, like, ammo I got. Yeah, your face. You're fat. Usually it's, like, little 13-year-old boys talking shit. And, like, the first thing I say is, like, do you even lift, bro? Because they're always skinny.

And I'm like, no, seriously, if you're going to talk shit, dude, at least, like, lift or something. And then you can talk shit. So, I mean, I'm tired of defending CrossFit. I'm tired of defending pull-ups. I'm tired of defending everything that everyone talks shit about. And I try not to. I mean, I'll even put on there.

I'm like, if you're going to talk shit about CrossFit or pull-ups, you will be blocked. And then someone will say, those aren't pull-ups. And I'm like, blocked. You were warned. I'm like, dude, I told you. All right, so you don't do steroids. You don't do drugs. No steroids, no drugs.

I mean. Got it? No. That was just high school. I mean, not like the. Not the drugs. No mean drugs. Yeah.

No mean drugs. Yeah. Only happy face drugs. Only happy face drugs. That's right. You drink every day, but no drugs. No, I don't. Okay, so I'll be serious.

I don't drink every day. I do drink like every other, other day. So it's. It was every day and then every other day I do drink like every other, other day. So it was every day and then every other day. And that's every other, other day. There's like sign language coming in from the background. It's like, hey, you need to adjust that story a little bit. She's my media manager.

She's like. Does it mean like four days? No, I'm just kidding. I mean, after a long day, it's not like I get fucked up every night, but like I'll have a few drinks. Like, I mean, not enough to get me hung over. Do you ever use a party aid to recover? I haven't yet because I haven't been able to party

because of the regionals. So, partying's been on hold for like a month. I mean, I got drunk, but I didn't have a good time doing it. I was just hanging out. I've actually been really good. Well, not that she hasn't let me drink, but I'll be like, come on, let's do it. She's like, no, Jackie, you have regionals. So, I mean, I've been really good. Alright, we're going to take a break real quick. When we come

back, Jackie's going to tell us about her plans for her first big party after regionals. No, fuck. This is Andrea Ager, and you're listening to Barbell Shrugged. For the video version, go to barbellshrugged.com. Barbell Shrugged is brought to you by you. To learn more about how you can support the show, go to barbellshrugged.com and sign up for the newsletter. No, no. And we're back. And before we get to,

uh, Jackie's party plans, uh, we were discussing like the first CrossFit porn. Jackie is releasing it soon. Jackie, it was a release date. I'm just throwing ideas out there for you guys.

I mean, first of all, I was like, you want to be on this podcast? I'm like, yeah, cool. Like, meet us at this house. And I'm like, okay. I'm like, shit's getting weird. I was like, the locks on the doors may look a little funny, but don't worry about it, you know? This is not a porn audition.

I was like, I didn't know what to tell Liz. I felt kind of weird being like, we're going to go to this house to do a podcast. She's like, what? I'm like, uh. No, we promise it's cool. So you're an idea girl, and your idea was there needs to be CrossFit porn. No, someone told me there was one, so I Googled it. Yeah, they're like, did you hear the CrossFit porn?

I was like, no, gross. So I Googled it. Gross. Google.com. Of course, I want to be the one to spread the word if it's true. But no, I Googled it, and I found some stuff, but not. I found Mike does Karen, but it wasn't. It was Mike I Googled it and I found some stuff but not, I found Mike does Karen but it wasn't.

It was Mike doing like 150 wall-boss shots. Mike was really doing Karen, yeah, but his name, CrossFit Porn, I was like, don't lie dude.

I just gave you a fucking view for nothing on your stupid video. They probably had like more views than anything. That's a really

big YouTube trick. People use like a different thing. It's like, you should watch this video. There's this girl and it looks like her blouse is about to come off. I'm like, just about to click on it. I was like, wait, that's YouTube.

That's not on YouTube. Tricked you. I got tricked once. I was very highly disappointed one time. After that, I made sure to look for the link. I'm smart about it now. I'm a savvy video watcher. That's how you get Rick Rolm. Savvy video clicker here.

So what's your, any big plans for post-regional? Oh yeah, I'm going to Hawaii Tuesday. Oh, good. So usually what I'll do is like as soon as regionals are over we'll take off to Hawaii for like a week or two and then I'll party my ass off and then I'll come back.

So when I say party a lot, it's like I'll work, work, work, don't do shit, and then we'll go to Vegas and we'll party for four days and I'll come back, work like a freaking monster and then go to Hawaii, party for two weeks. So that's the kind of party. So you got it all done at once. Yeah, two weeks and which island are you going to? I'm going to go first to the Big Island, then I'm going to go to Maui. I'm going to do Sickest of the Pacific.

Oh, yeah. One of my buddies is going to be there competing. Oh, yeah? Who's that? Is that a CrossFit competition? Yeah. Yeah. Adele Baxick.

Okay. She'll just be on vacation and not take it. Well, yeah. So Ryan Moody asked me a long time ago, and I was like, yeah, cool. And then it just happened to be the weekend after the regional. So I was like, well, there goes my party plans. Not like that's going to stop me too much. It's just a fun competition.

Do it drunk on my time. I'll make it fun. Seriously. You should try training while you're drunk sometimes. It's fun. It's challenging. Yeah, but the problem is this one's got like stand-up paddle boards. I don't want to be the girl that drowned it because she was drunk at the competition.

I don't want to be that girl. Oh, you're paddling and holding a Mai Tai. This is the greatest competition. Or I'll put one of those backpacks on with a little straw. Oh, a camelback then. Filled with a rum-based beverage. Champagne. I find that I'm better in any kind of outdoor sport

as long as there's alcohol involved. Well, there's a certain limit, though, because once you get to the shit base, you're useless. I mean, there's a really safe way to find out how much you can drink and still optimize performance, and that's at a bowling alley. Oh, that's kind of true.

That's where you're going to find it. It's quantified performance per unit of time. Yeah, very easy to measure. Yeah, yeah. Well, it depends on what you drink. If you drink beer, you're going to get slow, steady drunk. If you drink something harder, it's like you're sober, sober, buzz, bam, you're fucked up and you're making an ass out of yourself.

So it depends on what you're drinking. It's hard to find that line. It's probably scotch or tequila. Yeah, either one will just do the job. Yeah.

Put you over. So this podcast just digressed straight into partying and porn like for the whole time. Is there anything you want to share,

promote? Nah, man. Just sickest of the Pacific next weekend and besides that, not really. So you have like 50,000 Instagram followers promote? Not man just sickest of the Pacific next weekend and uh besides that not really so you have like

50,000 Instagram followers and you have nothing to sell? nothing no I mean I've got my sponsors who are super cool to me but everyone knows I'm not

I'm not salesy like if I take a sponsorship it's cause I believe in the product and I take it not cause I'm saying hey I take this take it but um

I don't have to push those guys cause I mean anywhere I go I rep them. Every competition, regionals, doesn't matter. I feel like you could sell some T-shirts or something just for fun, though. I know.

And a lot of people would buy them just because they love you. I know, eventually one day. I think every guy who hears your voice will buy one. Eventually one day. I'll move towards that one day. Right now, I'm just so freaking busy working and training. I mean, it just sucks because I'm like,

hey, you want to come out? It's a Friday night, and I'm like, I so fucking tired i'm on the couch i'm not going anywhere so i mean once this slows down regionals is over i can kind of take a step back and i mean i'll still keep training but not as like you have to be there every fucking day for two three hours it'll be a little different that's how you've been training thus far kind of i mean you don't get a lot done in three hours but you feel like you have to be there for three hours. I would suspect that maybe

you don't say you take it that seriously. You're probably doing a lot of work. I'm definitely, I mean, I'm probably, I'm not as honest

as to say I'm not taking it that seriously because I do, but I mean, there's no... You just have a good attitude towards the work, which is a lot.

I'll tell people, I made it to regionals five years in a row taking classes with the members. I've never had special coaching. I started going with Jesse Burdick

two years ago because they announced a regional workout. It's a 225 deadlift. I'm like, fuck. My deadlift's 210. What the fuck am I going to do? I started seeing Jesse Burdick. To get strong. That's what you do. Yeah. I started jumping into power. I got so many clients that they're like, can I do new? I'm like, fuck. I have power at that time.

They really need me. My schedule is scattered. I don't follow one programming it's like I'm going to jump in class or hey what are you guys doing so I've kind of made it this far by just kind of doing that but if you were to try to take it further you would have to like buckle down I'd have to get on a program there's got to be something

progressive I mean I'm only this strong because it's what I'm putting out you know you only get what you put out and it's not that much putting out. You know, you only get what you put out. It's not that much right now. That's your first t-shirt. You only get out what you're putting out. I'll make it.

It's not just to go dot, dot, dot, something like that. Fuck you, whatever, at the end. Look at it. So you're a very intuitive person overall where you kind of just go by feel all the time with your workouts. Like if you feel good, you do two, three workouts in a day. If you don't feel good, you take a day off. Totally. Like I don't do two.

I mean, I've never. God, I hate that I sound like such a sandbag. But I don't go 100% in the gym because I'm like, I'll save that for competition. So you'll get like 80% out of me. And I tell everyone that takes my class. I'm like, you're not trying to fucking break a record. Don't get hurt. Just do the WOD. Do it right. Get it done. And like save your crazy 100% for competition. Don I tell everyone that takes my class, I'm like, you're not trying to fucking break a record. Don't get hurt. Just do the WOD,

do it right, get it done. Like save your crazy a hundred percent for competition. Don't be a practice time hero. Like seriously, like what,

what, ooh, your name's on the board as our RX, the best fucking care. Just move well, you know, not going to increase

your fitness. It really is not honestly. It doesn't sound like sandbag. It sounds like you choose just to take a more optimal path. You're not going to beat yourself up leading up to the competition. You're not going to like,

you're going to train hard and kind of measure what kind of pace you're capable of, but save it for when you can tap the adrenaline and do better at a competition. I'll give it all in competition when it counts, but in the gym, I'll kind of go through motion.

I mean, just kind of get it done, see what I need to, I mean, a lot of it's skill work at this point. A lot of it, you know, your engine's going to keep getting better, but it's a lot. You'll be taken out by skill. So a lot of it's just working that.

We joke about like, you know, the stuff outside, you a lot of it's just working that we joke about like you know the stuff outside you work hard you don't maybe sleep quite as much as you should you do drink a little bit you do have a good time definitely so really if you want to make training optimal you should intentionally do a little less training than you think that the mistake would be well fuck it i need to do pretty good and trying to hit it then like the wise move is to take a casual approach that way if it's quality there you still get progress well yeah because i mean i've been doing this for five years. How many fucking years

can you go 100% every fucking day? Like, I would be tired. My body would be wrecked. Like, I'd fall apart. Well, it eventually would break. Yeah, I mean. Plenty of people break pretty hard, yeah. And they do,

and that's the sacrifice. That's what you're giving up to get to that level, to that top spot. You're giving that, you're saying, this is what I'm going to do to get there.

I'm saying, I'm happy being 10th, 5th, whatever. Like, people are like, oh, should I get to see at the games one day? I'm like, no, because I'm going to come in 4th. This is wise, man. A lot of people would go

for it, but not just be honest with what they really want or what they're prepared to give into it. People will try to say they want to go to the games, and then they'll have these things pulling at them, and they'll still sort of try but not really try like they should to get there and then get their heart broken over it. You need to know if you can do it or not. Can you go all in or throttle back intentionally.

I mean, honestly, games is a full-time job. Games is sponsors paying your shit so you don't have to work. Like with the schedule I have, eight hours a day. Or work suffers. Yeah, I mean, one or the other. Like either my bank account suffers and my body's tipped off shape or it's the other way around. You know, you got to have a little bit of balance. For me, because I've got to keep my job.

I can't just be like, I'm done. I was going to make a joke like, are you broke? You know, I think that's a lot of people's problem, actually. It's like, you know, they have goals that aren't in line with their plans. Well, what you can do, though, what you can put out, honestly, you have a family, you have a job, and you're trying to win the game. Just like, I wouldn't be crushed if I didn't because I know what I put out. Like, if I wanted to get serious next year, I'd get a coach. I'd get someone to make me do the shit I wouldn't be crushed if I didn't because I know what I put out like if I want to get serious next year I'd get a coach

I'd get someone to make me do the shit I don't want to do because if I go to the gym I'm going to do filthy 50 because I don't want to do Fran because Fran sucks and it hurts and filthy 50 I can sandbag my way through and then at the end I can smash it so I mean I guess it like it depends on what you want but people need to understand like if you're going to go trying to go to the games

there's more risk of injury you're pushing your body more and more and more every time and if that's your thing that's cool you're trying to go to the games, there's more risk of injury. You're pushing your body more and more and more every time. And if that's your thing, that's cool. You're giving that up. Mine is not. I want to be healthy. I want to keep doing this for another five years and still be where I'm at. That's a really good point.

I mean, a lot of people, you know, they may, people that bash CrossFit a lot of times, they're only looking at that top echelon of people who are pushing performance. In any sport where you're like pushing the performance, there's a risk of injury and accidents. Football players, you know what's going to happen, but you choose. You love the sport so much that you are choosing to risk it, and that's fine. What do I give a fuck what you're passionate about? That's none of my business. That's why I'm going to knock you.

Do whatever. CrossFit libertarian in its finest form. Yeah, but going 80-90% a WOD and not having to push that redlining and pushing that performance every single time is going to keep you safe for longer and actually healthier longer. For sure.

I mean, I'm starting to get to a point where the anxiety of hearing 3-2-1 go, I'm like, oh, fuck. Because you know it's coming. You know it's going to hurt. You know it's going to suck. And as much as sometimes I'm like, God, I don't want to do this shit anymore.

It's like, that's fucking life. It's going to suck. You're going to be down. What are you going to do you know it's going to suck and as much as sometimes I'm like God I don't want to do this shit anymore it's like that's fucking life you know like it's going to suck you're going to be down what are you going to do is say I'm done just sit on the couch no

and you don't decide when it starts either you go when it thinks it's good something you don't realize right when you start is that as you get better

it's only going to hurt more yeah it's only harder you can dig yourself into a much fucking deeper hole when you get good well I realize I'll never win with Fran she always wins

because the better I get, the more it hurts me. So there's no, you're never going to make it. That's poetic. No man can beat Fran because as the man improves, Fran, she improves as well.

She only gets harder. Yeah, the only time I've ever heard of Fran getting easier is when people start breaking, getting under that two and a half minute. Yeah.

You know, most women aren't doing that. Guys are, but they're just not exercising long enough to elicit that response. Yeah. So the only time I've ever heard of people getting better at Fran and doing that is, you know, you've got a sub two and a half Fran. Yeah. That's ridiculous. Who's doing that? It's a rare privilege to have.

That's ridiculous. So is that a common theme for you to want to chase the longer workouts and kind of avoid like the super shitty lactic stuff? Yeah. I hate the short fast because it takes me like 10 minutes to warm up. So like chippers are my shit because I'm like, oh, halfway through, I'm like, I'm feeling real good and I'll start going hard. But something like Fran, I feel like shit for the first two minutes and you're done in like three. So it's like, that sucks. Like we did like three Frans one time back to back i

think it's like five or ten minutes rest and i did better on the second one the third one wasn't no i did better or something like that one wasn't too far off so i got better as i went instead of sandbagger the other way totally let me make a wild guess let's say you you do not like to mobilize and warm up for very long so i'm patient but i'm an over warmer upper like i need to run a mile i need a foam roll and you stretch a whole dynamic warm-up i have because if i don't like Are you impatient at the beginning? I'm an over-warmer-upper. I need to run a mile. I need to foam roll. I need to stretch. A whole dynamic warm-up I have.

That's usually when I feel like shit the next day. If I don't take that hour. You took that long, man. When you hit 30, it's like a 30-minute. It's a minute for every year you're old. I didn't believe people. I'm like, yeah, fuck you. But now I'm like, yeah, they were right. And if I hear one more say 30 is a new 20, I'm going to fucking punch them.

Because someone goes, you know only old people say that to you. I'm like, motherfucker, that's right. No 20-year-old said, hey, you know, 30 is a new 20. No. That's not, no. No. No. I wish it was, but it hurts way too much to be true.

It really does take longer to recover and all that fun stuff. That's the big difference for sure. Joint pain and how long you recover. I'm still in as good a shape. I can still move basically as fast. I can still work out as hard, but everything just fucking hurts now. I'm just as strong. I get the same thing.

Bench pressing is painful. We were talking about yesterday, just to see people throw. When you were a kid, you could pick up an object, a rock, a football, and just fucking throw it as far as possible. And now it's like, I need an hour. I need massage. Slow joint circles, and then I'll start five-yard passes, ten-yard passes. It's like an hour and a half later, I can fucking throw a football at all

without crippling pain. Frisbees, man. Frisbees hurt. Frisbees do hurt. It just happens. Hurt my elbow. That's the way, man. Yeah. So, I mean that's

I just wish more people would understand and when they take my class I tell them I'm not looking for that come in do your thing I don't care if you are X just like just do the sport to get better at it but not to be the best because they get lost in that and then they start cheating reps because they're trying so hard to win

they rush it along they want to look good on paper. Well, yeah, and I'm like, what good does that do? You move like shit. Yeah, you fucking PR, but you move like shit and you look like shit. I love that. Is that how you explain to them? Yeah. You look like shit. I appreciate your honesty,

coach. Sometimes I do. That's the difference between some experienced people. People who are experienced and competing and exercising is a lot, is that intrinsic versus extrinsic motivation. A lot of people who are new to something, they're motivated by winning or trying to be the best or making money off of it or whatever.

And they're not really working on mastery. They just want to look good in front of everybody else. Yeah, for sure. And then, or they want to win it or whatever and then as you get further into it, if you really love

what you're doing, move more into that intrinsic motivation and that's where like mastery comes in and just wanting to see yourself improve and you stop looking around

so much and I'd be willing to bet that most of the people who are on the podium at regionals and the games aren't really looking at what other people

are doing that much. And they're just looking at, you know, kind of like mastery of the things they're working at. Yeah, well, that's what Dave said. Like I saw, he says something about the wild cards. And he's like, well, these people are working so hard, they're getting super freaking strong. He's like, they weren't paying attention,

focusing on the fundamentals and gymnastics. And that's what came out when he bit a lot of people in the ass. You know, there's getting stronger, stronger. Well, you know, there's some things like the basics that they were kind of just looking past. And now this year, it just changed the game. Well, I would say that people were probably looking at the games historically. Well, that's the thing, you know. So that's not missing the.

They would say that it's going to keep climbing, but they totally threw a curveball. And they're like. Without assumptions. It makes it sound like they were slacking. They weren't slacking at all. They were trying to just make their best guess. And their best guess happened to be wrong. Because they're not guessing assumptions. It makes it sound like they were slacking. They weren't slacking at all. They were trying to just make their best guess and their best guess happened to be wrong

because they're not guessing something predictable at all. They're guessing someone's basically his emotion about what he thinks the game should be in that particular year and you can't guess that.

Yeah, I heard that and I was like that's kind of being I mean that's kind of a dick thing to say to people. These people aren't missing the fundamentals.

They're working on I mean I think they're working on the fundamentals. They're just not working on the right fundamentals. They put together a well-reasoned plan. The good thing, you know, just didn't quite go the direction they needed to go. And the good thing that I think is getting away from super, super heavy, because that's where a lot of people are getting hurt. They're trying to do too much, you know.

And they see the numbers that come out of the region. Like a 265 deadlift for the female, they'd be like, that would break my back if I made it trying that. but it's not because the regional wasn't that heavy that year and you get to the games and it's fucking super heavy so it's like well i'll say this i think this is the most balanced regional i've ever seen yeah i do think this is the most balanced between like say weightlifting gymnastics yeah i do like to see that the strict stuff uh my sole complaint is i wish that maybe the ladies did fewer strict handstand pushups and the rope was lower.

Those are the only two complaints of the whole thing. I saw so many ladies fail at like 85% of the rope. They'd be like a foot away and then they would fall and then they would do it again and again. It's totally fair, but it's a different workout for the guys than it is for the ladies.

That's just not my opinion. That's kind of true, though. That's backed up by scientific evidence. Yeah. That, you know, when they studied the difference between men and women in upper body strength, it's a 70% difference. And hand size, too, the same diameter rope. That's right.

And so, like, you know, it's like I would like to see a rope that's 70% the length of what the guys are doing for the ladies. And you'll see it tomorrow. For one, they're just cruising and crushing everything and jumping halfway up, and the other group are struggling. And I can tell you what the argument is from the people that are programming for the games. They're like, well, you looked at the best, and they did well.

And you're like, yeah, you're right. But as a spectator, it's not very exciting to watch. Well, and some girls got to go up there eight times and eat it each time. That's not cool. That was an entertainment critique, not necessarily a fairness critique. It definitely was fair. And it's still measuring fitness across the board.

Yeah. Just dial it in. I actually like the fact that they put a bunch of strict stuff in here. I think strict handstand pushups and strict rope climbs are fantastic events to put in regionals. I do think that CrossFers have not been doing enough

of the stricter gymnastic stuff already, so I am excited to see that. Hopefully people do more of it. Yeah. I think they will. The next year You do well at a strict no legs rope climb. Those are fine. The strict handstands would have got me this year.

I could kip 40 in a row, but doing strict, like they would not. That would have been fucking hard this year. Kipping is cheating. Well, yeah, exactly. It's assistance. You're about to get blocked. If there was a way to block your mic, she would have blocked you. She's like, take it back, bitch.

Take it back. I do take it back. She's going to be on Instagram going, barbell Buddha blocked. It was a good game changer because it did take someone like me out who was skipping the fundamentals who I knew

and I keep saying I said this for a year fuck I need to get my ring dips and my handstand pushups and I kept saying it all fucking year and it's like bam

here they are they came out luckily I'd already chosen teams so I didn't get fucked that bad because it would have sucked 21

that would have just I would be standing there like doing this the whole time I'm gonna toot my own horn I'm actually super solid on the i'm programming gymnastics like basics and fundamentals and like athletes i program for like why the fuck are we doing this and i'm like i'm like trust me it's gonna be it's gonna come in useful it's gonna make your muscle even it's gonna make your more advanced stuff better yeah and so i've been programming that for a long time and i

got some flack from athletes before and i'm like nope just keep doing it trust me trust me now they're like thank you where's your flack now strict gymnastics will always help the kipping variations but not necessarily vice versa exactly exactly i mean they were programmed but i like i said i'm not on any single programs i'd be like i don't want to do that i'm just gonna do that so it was my own fault. I skipped it all year. And I knew. I knew leaning into it. And that's why I said, if I really want to get serious next year, I know what things

need to change. I know what things I need to work on. I know how much stronger I need to get. So, I mean, and maybe I'll take that route next year. Maybe I won't. Maybe I'll just chill a little more, do more competitions and stuff like that. I'm still not sure. Yeah, just chill more.

Well, either way, we're going to be watching your Instagram to find out what happens. Yeah, you'll know. And I do take back the kipping thing because I don't want to be blocked from Instagram. Yeah, let's chill more. Well, either way, we're going to be watching your Instagram to find out what happens. Yeah, you'll know. And I do take back the kipping thing because I don't want to be blocked from Instagram. Yeah, thank you. I didn't want to go there, dude.

You want to be able to watch her work on her underwear. Yeah, I mean, we'll work on getting my tips wrong. Whose kneecaps did I see? Liz's kneecaps.

Whose kneecaps? Right now? From the video that you sent us. Oh, never mind. You sent it to Aaron. Never mind. Oh! Last week. Yeah, that was her quads. Yeah, You sent it to Aaron. Never mind. Yeah, that was your quads.

I was going to flex on you guys. Nice quads. I was just making sure. Besides your Instagram, where can people follow you? What is your Instagram first? Jackie at Jackie585. You need a better, maybe you'd get like

100,000 if you went to what would be a good name? Jackie Underwear. at Jackie 585 you need a better you need a better maybe you'd get like a hundred thousand if you went to like what would be a good Jackie Underwood just your name or Jackie H the shitty thing is I'm not trying to get

more followers because the more followers you get the less personal you are with people and like there's no way to like I like answering back to people legit questions about

food and stuff I like or how much I train I like to be real with them and like tell them it took me people be like oh my god how did I get your body

I'm like it took me five fucking years to see my abs like and that's just genetics. Like you have to accept the body that you have or you're never going to like it when it changes. And women are so fucked up in the head that I'm just trying to be real with them. I'm trying to be like, you got to fucking eat good. You know, you can't expect to eat like shit and then train really hard. You're going to look good. Like I think they have this like this perception in their head that that they can do. And I did that for the first two years. I ate

shit. I trained really hard. My body never changed. As soon as I started cutting shit out, it started leaning out. Now you're cutting out the regular champagne. I'm still trying to find my up. I like your no-nonsense style. No nonsense from this one, Doug. Champagne is, like I said,

sometimes if I go to town, we'll get crazy. If I'm here, it's like I don't go anywhere. We're on the couch every night. And that's probably why I drink the most. I just drink on the couch. It's not like I go out and drink. It's like on the couch watching stupid TV. But I train pretty hard.

I'm not getting drunk. I'm recovering. Exactly. Don't you know the difference? Yeah. It's almond champagne. I'm part of a study. And they want to see how it helps with recovery.

I want to sign up for that study. Alright, so you have your Instagram. Anywhere else? Facebook. Just Jackie Perez. I mean, there's like this fan page someone made me that I don't use and I feel really bad because a lot of people keep liking that one, but I just stick to my regular one. I'm really behind the whole social

media thing where it's like, I guess you've got to link them both together to your fucking Twitter, to your Instagram. Hey, and you just don't give a fuck. That whole thing. I know I feel bad because I want to interact more with people, but it's like, I guess you've got to link them both together to your fucking Twitter, to your Instagram. Hey, and you just don't give a fuck. That whole thing. I know I feel bad because I want to interact more with people, but it's like your regular one can only get so many people on there. Your fan page can get so many, but they can't tag. You know, it's all these weird things going on.

So I got to find like someone with social media to help me. That's one thing I do want to do is kind of clean up. Did you know that CTP is a social media genius? He is. What the fuck, man? Do you know he loves to help? Holy shit. Come over.

Jackie knows how to get guys to do anything. I got tequila. Twist his arm. All right. What about, we're going to shut this down. Any sponsors

you need to give a shout out to? Just my peeps at WFit, XEndurance, FitAid, and Life is RX. I keep it really, you know, I've been really selective this year or actually this whole time,

but I don't want to just take anything that comes my way. I'm like, like I've gotten offers for stuff that I don't use. And I'm like, no, even if you give me money, I don't fucking use it. I'm just going to like pretend like I do.

So people buy it. I don't like that whole thing. So I keep it to just things that I already use., I don't fucking use it. I'm just going to like pretend like I do so people buy it. I don't like that whole thing. So I keep it to just things that I already use. And I don't want to lie to people. I don't want to be like, hey, I take this and I really don't. Who makes the almond champagne? Wilson's Creek. I got a contract.

Wilson's Creek, yo. Hook our friend up. I know, I know. No, no, don't do that. Don't, yeah. If she gets unlimited source of champagne, you may lose some of your Instagram followers. Yeah, seriously. Or I'll gain more.

I mean, you never know these days. It won't be every other other anymore. All right. All right, guys. Make sure you go over to barbellstrug.com. Sign up for the newsletter, and we will shoot you email updates when we post these podcasts and do cool shit.

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