Barbell Shrugged - 146- How Community Supported Agriculture Will Save Our Lives w/ Farmer Joe Pimentel

Episode Date: October 15, 2014

Pittsfield, Vermont is a small town of just about 400 people. You don’t notice much when you first pass through, apart from the beauty and unspoiled quality of the place. It’s a perfect spot for mountain hikes and star-gazing. The town itself is just a two-lane road dotted with farm houses and picture perfect Inn’s, hugged tight on either side by lush green mountains. One of the only stops is The Spartan General Store (at least that’s my unofficial name for the place). There's a small gift shop and grocery inside, but this is mostly a refueling spot. Breakfast plates come piled high with giant farm fresh eggs and thick slices of local bacon. Tall glasses of fresh pressed green juice act as the perfect recovery tonic for legs left for dead by 5 a.m. obstacle course climbs. By now you know this is no average town. This is the home of Spartan Race. The punishing early morning burpee sessions and mountain runs come courtesy of Joe De Sena, the highly driven founder and leader of the Spartan movement. The lovely eggs and green juice are made possible by the daily grind and passion of Joe Pumentei, or Farmer Joe as we know him. He is just the sort of guy you need to feed a growing Spartan army. He’s also having an amazing impact on local towns all over through Community Supported Agriculture (CSA). A farmer's job might not seem very impactful at first, but like most things it’s not what you do it’s how you do it. When it comes to farming, Joe brings a bright Boston edge. He and his wife were lured to Pittsfield by that other Joe and his Spartan crew. It was a chance to run their very own farm, according to their rules, and up to their very high standards. It’s clear that Sweet Georgia P’s is an amazing place. The food is great, but that’s not the only reason for Joe’s impact. It’s got much more to do with that edge. He’s up at dawn with his family every day. He drives endless miles to spread his CSA and product to every town in his 200 square mile territory. And most importantly, he never turns down an opportunity to bark loudly about the big problem here - Most people don’t know what real food is, and it’s slowly killing them. “Real” is a funny word in this context. Judging by the regulations that Joe is subject to, you would think he was harboring toxic waste, but no, in this case it’s just milk. Raw goat’s milk to be specific. Joe’s milk is alive. It’s teeming with all sorts of cultures and enzymes. The protein is super-duper high quality. The fat is full and rich, just what your nervous system needs. You’d be hard pressed to find a higher quality recovery and muscle building beverage. But the legal reality is that Joe must keep a warning sign posted prominently on his Sweet Georgia P’s property. “WARNING! Unpasteurized, raw milk can be hazardous to your health.” In just that one paragraph there were three references to baby or fetal damage/death, not unlike cigarette package warnings. Sneak that stuff over state lines and you’d be committing a felony, despite the fact that raw milk has been found to be a low risk food. The same thing goes for many local farmers and all they produce. Getting real food to market now-a-day’s is all uphill. It requires the fight. You could use some edge. Maybe that’s the right mindset. Most people know that they should be eating better quality food, especially when it comes to vegetables and common animal products. But that’s not always the decision that gets made. So, why not try a new motive? Why not call this a fight?There’s a mighty industrial machine out there pumping out bleached milk, flavorless veggies, runny eggs from sick chickens, the list of sins is long. The machine is fed by our dollars. It exists precisely because our decisions haven’t been the best. But that doesn’t mean we can’t take action now. We have to start putting our money where it matters most - Back into real food. To those who would say local organic food is too expensive, Joe’s bright edge bites back, “Have you priced out cancer lately? It’s not cheap.” People need to understand the value of real food. They need to learn. They need access to great farm fresh products, so Joe’s work continues. He keeps up his grind and passion every day. He continues making his impact. If you want to improve the health of your communities, support local farmers and CSA programs when you are able. Seek them out. No, a few farmers will not make much of a difference. But if a few hook-up every few hundred miles or so they can build a supply network that really could make cheap, super nutritious food readily available to more people. That kind of movement could make a real difference in public health. Demand better quality in your food. Put your money where it matters most. The value will come right back to you in the form of better health and improved performance, just see for yourself. Joe, I had a blast. Keep up the good fight.Cheers, Chris Moore

This week on Barbell Shrugged, we talk about sustainable farming with Farmer Joe. This product has not been pasteurized and therefore may contain harmful bacteria that can cause illness, particularly in children, the elderly, in persons with weakened immune systems, and in pregnant women, can cause illness, miscarriage, or fetal death, or death of a newborn. Hey, this is Rich Froning, you're listening to Barbell Shrugged. For the video version, go to barbellshrugged.com. Welcome to Barbell Shrugged. I'm Mike Leto, Doug Larson, Chris Moore, and CTP behind the camera. We have traveled up to beautiful Vermont in, what month is this, September?

Probably the best time of year to be up here. And, well, we're going to hang out with quite a few people, but we are here with Joe P. As he goes by up here. Farmer Joe. We always just call him Farmer Joe. We're up here at Sweet Georgia Peas. This is a sustainable farm. You've got goats and plants.

Farmstuff. I am what you might would call a city slicker, so a lot of this is foreign to me, but I did get to taste some of the best milk I've ever had in my entire life. Since I was a child.

Since I was on a teat myself. That's right. If you're listening to the audio version, you missed out on the intro. You gotta hop over to the website. Check that out. I got a nice, I got the freshest milk you could probably. We shot you in the face.

Unquestionable. Goat milk. Slow motion. That's right. Yeah. You know, on this show, in the past, I've talked quite a bit about myself consuming raw goat milk. I go to farmer's markets and I try to find stores that carry that type of thing, depending on what state I'm in.

It's considered illegal at a federal level. You can't cross state lines with this stuff, or you're a felon. They've raided farms over this stuff for people who have actually transported over state lines. To say all this shit out loud is ridiculous. It sounds ridiculous. Downright scary, right?

Yeah. Downright scary. You'd think that we were trying to, we were like sneaking bombs across the border or something like that. May as well be. Yeah. So what we did this morning,

well, it's perfectly legal since- Because you're on the farm. We can do anything we want on the farm with the raw milk products. Awesome. I guess that's kind of ridiculous, right? It's hugely ridiculous. What other ridiculous things do you have to work around?

So transportation of the raw products is, because we try to feed the cities, right? We bring all our products down to Boston and New York. And transportation of the raw products, we can't do it. We have to abide by all federal guidelines to do uh interstate shipping of of farm products what's that mean uh to cross state lines just to cross state lines so we have to uh so the raw products we cannot bring to the cities um we can bring our eggs we can bring meats that are processed in a usda uh processing facility which we have one about 40 minutes down the road so so that's not so bad. But I couldn't, as a small farmer, raise meat chickens on the farm,

process them myself, and bring them down to Boston. That is also federally illegal. In regard to the raw milk, what are some of the health benefits? I mean, a lot of people, you know, it's like the laws are set up to scare people away from it, but I've heard a lot of stories of people having illnesses that actually almost get healed from the raw milk. Yeah, so obviously it works different for everybody depending on how many billion people on the planet. So there's 7 billion different diets that work for everybody, right? But my opinion is raw milk is really the only milk

that you can drink right because once you process it you're transforming this product into something that's just got a longer shell life and more marketable to to the people but it's all a bunch of dead calories right so it might be more accurate to say that raw milk is the only thing you should call milk that's correct i actually had a debate with somebody recently that was debating almond milk was more beneficial than raw milk. Aren't you cute? That's right. Just because you call it milk doesn't mean it's milk. That's right.

Just because it's white and milky looking. Conversation is over. You want almonds? You eat almonds. I've never milked an almond in my life. Where's the teat on this almond? I can't find it anywhere. This is ridiculous.

We make some kind of offensive, if you want an almond, eat an almond. Oh, drink real milk. The problem with most processed food is that it turns into a whole lot of calories and not a whole lot of nutrients. And so having raw milk is calories plus nutrients and healthy bacteria and a whole host of other things. Pro-bacterias, right? Like everything, yeah. host of other things i'm putting on pro bacterias right like everything yeah and then then pasteurized milk is really just calories and all that stuff's basically been killed in the pasteurized process basically means they heat treat it and all that stuff dies that's right that's correct yes i i

mean i don't know how much of it's true but i've heard uh some pretty crazy stories about the the lack of standards or lack of i guess the standards that uh pasteurized milk is held to is is fairly low and like if you were to like expose raw milk to the same uh environment that you you expose uh pasteurized milk it would be you like if you learned exactly what everything that happened you would never want to drink milk from the store again that's correct pasteurized that's why they have holy shit they have to pasteurize this or else you would be poisoned to death. That's exactly right. So for the big companies to, uh, to produce these foods, right, they have to pasteurize things because they need long shelf life. My milk lasts for like seven to 10 days,

you know, so it's virtually impossible to, to mass market it on like a huge scale. You know, that's what, that's the whole local community farm thing. That's where we come into that. Yeah. You shipping your milk to somewhere like arizona would be impossible they would i mean you could probably fedex it or whatever but it would make more sense for them to get it from arizona from their own local raw dairy that's right that's right yeah so i know you're not a biochemist but but what really happens in this whole pasteurization process can do you know in detail kind of what happens there not really hugely versed on it because i don't do it but um essentially it's heated to i believe about 170

degrees for a series of minutes maybe 15 ish um there goes your pro box and everything that's right it kills all the the potentially harmful bacteria but it also kills all the good bacteria all the good probiotics is it fair to say there's a lot of the enzymes as well? Is that true? I don't know. You don't know about that one? I'm not sure, but that sounds like something that potentially could happen. I've heard that.

I mean, a lot of people who have, say, their lactose intolerant, a lot of times if they start drinking raw milk, it has the enzymes necessary for breaking down the lactose and other things like that. Sure, it makes a lot of sense, right? I mean, A, I'm not really, you know, I'm a terrible salesman, so I'm not totally sold that human beings should be drinking milk anyways, you know what I mean? But if we are drinking milk, we should certainly be drinking raw milk.

Yeah, we're the only animals drinking milk as adults. That's right, that's right. In my experience. Another species milk. Yeah, but I think this is one of the areas of diet where you could say, oh, I don't do good with dairy, but my next question is, what kind of dairy are you not being good? Because when I have cheap dairy or this, that, and the other, I feel a certain way. When I have the highest qualities, if you get a high quality goat kefir or something from a good

source, even like Whole Foods is still pretty good. It's so much better than a kefir, the same kind of product just from a cow or the same kind of product from a bigger brand that is more industrialized. You can just immediately get an immediate sense that one is superior to the other. And you feel, about an hour later, you feel that way too. No doubt about it. And I think not only with dairy, but you could bring that into the realm with everything, right? Like, say, eggs. You could bring that into the realm with produce.

I mean, freshness, the factor of freshness is absolutely gigantic. Do you think what most people need to understand is that an egg is not an egg, a milk is not a milk? Milk is not milk, sorry. My grammar. It's early. I won't eat eggs. I don't like them.

You crack your egg in the morning and it runs all over the pan like water. The yolk just breaks. The yolk breaks. That is not like what you get on this farm. I imagine the yolk is a bright red and it holds up on its own. It's more like eating a little steak than it is. Bright orange, yes. Yeah, bright orange is what you're after.

Red is danger. Red is, well, so a little bit of bright red is okay. That's just a fertilized egg from the rooster, so that's all good. But, yes, you're absolutely right. Got a little extra oomph in there. A little extra oomph, extra protein. And, correct, The eggs you buy in the supermarket are typically like, you know, three weeks old when you get them. You know, we,

we move eggs here that are literally a day old. We bring eggs to Boston that are literally three days old, never more than one week old when they reach our consumer. And it's worth every penny you pay for the extra. Absolutely. And is there any regulations on distributing the eggs? Is there anything? They need to be kept at 42 degrees. So there's another weird area where the only country in the world that refrigerates our eggs, but goes back to- Yeah, I think people go to Europe.

Yeah, I live in Ireland and in Australia and they didn't refrigerate their eggs. That's right. No, you buy them right out on the shelf. Yeah, they sell them out and about. Doug and I in college would keep our eggs in the cabinets. Yeah. You know who told me that? And then girls would come over to the house and be like, what is going on?

I'm like, you don't have to refrigerate eggs. When I live with Dr. Galpin, he called me out like, why are you putting eggs in the fridge? I'm like, I don't know, asshole. Doesn't everybody put their eggs in the fridge? He's like, you don't need to do that. He started going on a handy rant. Well, you don't want to go to the supermarket and take eggs out of the refrigerator and

then leave them out on your counter. So what we do is we wash them. We should not wash our eggs. When we wash our eggs, they take off a protective layer that allows us to keep them out. So it's after we wash them, we take that layer off. So you have chicken shit on your egg, that's okay. That's right. You want chicken shit on your eggs.

Yes. That's usually where I eat most of my chicken shit is off the eggshell. That's right. And actually, last time we were here, you were talking about how you want bugs on your vegetables, too. That's right. You want to talk about that? Sure. I mean, you know, so essentially we spray very little here.

We use pyrethrin, all certified organic spray. But so, you know, if you have vegetables and they look perfect with no holes on them and there's no bugs eating them, you don't want to eat them either, I don't think, right? That means if there's holes in the vegetables, then bugs have been on there eating the vegetables. And because there's bugs on it, it means they're not sprayed with a bunch of nasty ass chemicals that you're eating instead. Safe assumption. It's not poisonous. That's right. That's right. It's not poisonous. That's so counterintuitive what people think. I want my leaves to be perfect and pristine because that's the highest quality. But yeah, if nothing else in the wild would eat it you should avoid it because animals are more in tune than what they need than you are that's a fair assumption right these insects are going

right towards what they need that's right most animals are not going to commit suicide by eating something they can't it's a bad strategy that's right very bad life strategy so are the bugs not eating the vegetables because they can tell there's something bad on or there are the bugs dying because the chemicals are just sprayed on the bugs when the veggies get sprayed? The bugs are dying. The bugs are dying. So they're killing, you know, all and, you know, leads to another interesting topic. Like with bees, right?

You know what I mean? So they're killing the good bugs and they're killing the bad bugs. You know, ladybugs, for instance, are like the biggest eradicators of aphids, which are a huge problem on small scale farms, you know. But when you're spraying anything, you're killing the ladybugs as well as killing the aphids. It's the same thing going on with milk. Like the good bacteria in the bag, you crush it all. That's right. There's no survivor strategy.

That's right. Yeah, a lot of people, they may get sick at some time. They get put on antibiotics or something like that. It kills all the bacteria, the good bacteria as well in their gut. And most people are never told, hey, you should go on like a probiotic. You know, they're eating processed food and then they're never put on a probiotic regimen afterwards. And it's really shocking to me.

Like everyone that's been on antibiotics at any time and hasn't gone, isn't drinking raw milk, isn't eating like raw vegetables that were, you know, grown in a farm like this or aren't taking probiotics intentionally are probably set up. Their immunity is exposed. They're ready to get sick right over again. Metabolism and everything. There's also, yeah, they're finding a lot of things

that have to do with metabolism. And if you don't have the right amount of probiotics in your gut, then, yeah, now you can't figure out why you can't lose that last bit of whatever. It's probably that. You're not digesting all of your food. There's no money in healthy people, and there's no money in dead people, right? That's you bury them. Speaking of money, there's much easier ways to get filthy rich

than to run a sustainable farm out here in Pittsfield, Vermont. I would have to think so, yes. Kind of like being across with gym owners. There's easier ways to make money than being across with gym owner, but most people do it because they're passionate about it and they love it. And that's, and that's what I gather is why you're here. A hundred percent. It provides me the quality of life that I want to bring my children up in. You know, I work seven days a week, 80 hours a day, 80 hours a week. And so I don't have to work 40 hours a week in the box. What time do you get here every morning, Joe?

Typically 6.30 to 7 a.m. That's not so bad. I could maybe follow you around for a week. I know accountants that show up to the office before that. That's right. When you come up here, you come around that corner. We got here pretty early, and you see the sun coming up this mountain, and it's laying sunlight on these plants.

You walk through this facility, and you meet the sun coming over this mountain and it's like laying sunlight on these plants and you walk through this facility and you meet the people, I wouldn't have a problem getting up here to do this. This is a place where passion is sort of running over. It's fucking gorgeous out here. It's worth it, isn't it? Absolutely. We're worth every cent of it. I have a four-year-old and a two-year-old that get to run around in these woods behind us.

To be able to bring them up in this environment is why I do it all. We started this conversation earlier, and CTP was like, shut up. Send him to the podcast. That tends to happen sometimes, but, you know, I was talking about how you made the choice to leave the city at some point. How long ago was that? So my wife and i left the actual city eight years ago we went to the suburbs of boston and we came up to vermont even worse yeah suburb totally the worst thing america has created apologies if you're right now hey asshole i'm

in the suburbs of boston sorry man we love you leave yeah mediocrity follow you hot you're settling for mediocrity in the suburbs, right? So give me extremes. Give me downtown cities or give me rural areas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm happy. That sounds like a revolutionary statement. Yeah, so we were talking.

I get hit up with people with questions all the time. Like, how do you do it? Because people see what we do, and it's pretty extraordinary. What you're doing is very extraordinary, and people are always asking. It's like, how do you do this? And I was like, well, first you got to do this. And they're like, well, I can't do this because I have this job. That's right. And I'm like, the first thing is no.

It's like the job is off limits or something. It's like, well, I can't lose all this weight. I've got this job that really stresses me. I'm like, quit the fucking job. You're dying, asshole. It's your problem. The job is not the end all be all, I promise. It's like, and it just drives me nuts.

It's like, it's about lifestyle. And your job is part of that lifestyle. And that job does not serve your purpose. That's right. You got to get out of there. You're making choices. Every day you wake up, you're making choices, right? Yeah.

So, yes, you've got to get out of there. That's the best advice we could give anybody is get the hell out of the box. Yeah, get out of the box. Yes. Everybody out. Out. What made it easier for you to make that leap? How did you make it past that big blockade to actually come out here and do this instead of whatever you were doing before?

So we were looking to expand our farm business down in southeastern Mass, and it was virtually impossible. We met up with Joe and Courtney. We know Courtney from a lifetime ago. Yep, Joe DeSena. We met up with them, asking them about life up in Vermont, and their farm here just so happened to be empty at the time. And then he sold you pretty hard.

I heard he makes convincing arguments. He's a very good salesman, very good salesman. And we were here three days after the conversation started. We were here three days later and we moved our entire operation three months after that. Wow. Yeah. I mean, the possibilities here are just extraordinary. No regrets. No regrets. Oh my God. Not even a little bit. So how do you, are you raising your kids? How old are they again? Four and two. Four and two.

Yeah. So, I mean, well, they're not at school age yet. They're not school age yet. No. Well, it's controversial. My four-year-old probably should be, according to some people, entering preschool right now, but she's not. Because they're not learning shit out here.

No, no, no. I would definitely, we should put her under the fluorescent lights, okay? We should put her under the fluorescent lights, We should put her under the fluorescent lights, lock her in a box, no recess. Sit down, shut up, be quiet. Make marks on paper. That's right, and then we'll bring her to Walmart afterwards. Yeah, it's like sit still for eight hours. I can't figure out why

so many children are obese in this country. I have no idea. And you gotta... My buddy, my buddy Rob, he's on our team. He, was it the school? The school, it's a private school too, won't feed the kid water. They won't allow it.

It has to drink milk because that's federal regulation. There's some like federal law that says they have to feed them this milk. Dead milk. Yeah. He has to get a doctor's note. Probably sk have to feed them this milk. He has a good- Dead milk. Yeah. He has a good doctor's note. Probably skim milk. Right, right. Hood.

Actually, hood milk, I'm assuming, right? What's hood milk? Hood got a brand, the big dairy industry in America. You don't know about that, I guess. Some dairy lobbyist figured out how to get water out of the schools. So he's like, look, my kid's like four years old. Just feed him water. He's like, humans drink water.

He has to get a doctor's note. Are you serious? To get the kid fed water instead of milk at a meal. This is not fallacy. This is fucking happening. That's outrageous. And it's probably happening all over the place. And this is in Tennessee.

It's not like New York City where people are insane. Right. Now you've offended fucking all these people. Well, the politicians there we know anybody else in large metropolitan areas you want to piss off exclude well joe i i also have i've got a now a little boy who's come up on three he turns three next month i've got a little girl now awesome she's five months old what do what does the average parent who's like you know we because when last time zach was here with us his main concern is now something'm echoing, where I'm starting to get more and more freaked out

that my fucking kids aren't getting anything out of the food. In fact, they may be actively poisoned by this. What do kids need to understand? What are some good guidelines that kids can start learning, something simple that can help them start understanding the role of food in their life? That's a tough question and a huge problem, obviously. The easiest way to put it is again you're making choices everything

you put in your body you're either feeding disease or you're fighting it right and so we need to teach our kids that you're either feeding disease everything you're putting in your body you're feeding disease or fighting it and that's probably the easiest most straightforward way to put it kids would understand the the idea that you just don't eat because this is something you do and it makes your tummy feel satisfied you are you're a machine and then just like daddy has to put fuel in his car you know that's right you have to fuel your body that's right fuel it like you remember that time that that uncle mike forgot to get gas on a road trip like for the fifth time and we ran out of gas

that'll happen to your body that's exactly right all right all right you're one time and now we're up to five times oh by the way so this sign that I read right at the beginning of the podcast, when you first brought this out, we were saying, hey, man, this would be a really great way to intro the show because it's really ridiculous. It's something that's so healthy. They put baby death on there twice. Well, three times. How many?

You could have a miscarriage or fetal death or death of a newborn. If you're not convinced that the government is using fear tactics. Hugely popular. That's right. Before anybody buys any raw goat's milk, I have to make sure that they read that sign. Federally regulated. Does that seem fair? What about Red Bull? I'm sorry.

I shouldn't probably... What you had said is this is the warning label that should be on Mountain Dew. That's right. Not on raw milk. Or Monster Energy drink. You know, any of these drinks that are going to kill you, no doubt about it.

Yes, raw milk may kill you. It's potential. Anything but, you know, Mountain Dew. 95% of the stuff that's in the grocery store should have that label. Is killing you. You're right. I get so tired. People are like, but there's bacteria all over the milk.

There's bacteria all over you, asshole, if you're lucky. That's right. You use that stupid fucking soap you're always i get so tired people but there's bacteria all over the mix there's bacteria all over you asshole if you're lucky that's right use that stupid fucking soap you're always washing yourself with and stuff you allow yourself to be as you are you should be mostly bacteria your body is like 80 bacteria your weight is mostly bacteria get the fuck over the whole life trying to kill it off is vermont into the whole no soap no no poo no shampoo movement where you just you're just washing yourself with water and basically nothing else? Or making your own concoctions? So, yeah, sure. Lots of people do that.

I use bar soap, right? Like I use Dove bar soap. Because I'm not an asshole, you know? That's what I do. As far as deodorants and stuff, I haven't used deodorant in seven years, you know? So in this circle, I don't use soap. Doug doesn't use soap. Chris, are you off the soap yet? I have switched to, I don't use soap. Doug doesn't use soap.

Chris, are you off of soap yet? I've switched to, I don't know if this is any better, but I got off Amazon, it's like coconut and palm oil and also seaweed soap. It seems better in my mind. It seems like it's healthy. The ingredient list is certainly there for you. That's all that's in it.

It's like seaweed, coconut, and palm oil. Yeah, that's all it is. I only use soap if I feel like there's a real need. If I'm fucking covered in actual dirt or whatever, where I can see there's stuff on me, then I'll use soap. But if I'm just sweaty from a workout, then I like to feel sexy. That's me. I actually keep that clean snatch soap on hand hand for like if i get tattooed like if i end up with you know if i have a wound or or uh yeah i did jujitsu i grappled covered yeah now i'm now it's like all right time

to kill this bacteria but uh outside of that like i don't use soap at all uh but yeah just going you know further on the bacteria front because we're're talking about, like, gut bacteria. But then back in January I heard a guy talk about, like, bacteria on your skin. I was like, shit, that's really no different than the bacteria in your gut. No. And I was like, all right, I'm going to – and he convinced me to do otherwise. That's basically your defense against the environment to a large degree. My wife doesn't complain about my smell at all. Nope, nope.

My wife smells as good as I do, so that's all that matters. As long as you match. It's like, we're totally happy. I mean, crowds dissipate when we arrive. That's right. Totally cool. But we can all hang out with each other, and we don't mind, so it's good. Let's take a break real quick, and when we come back, we're going to...

I don't know what we're going to do this time. You got any good ideas? We're going to make Joe spill all the secrets. All the secrets? The secret secrets. You know those we talked about that people are going to love? Oh yeah, those secrets. This is Andrea Ager and you're listening to Barbell Shrug.

For the video version, go to BarbellShrug.com Barbell Shrug is brought to you by you. To learn more about how you can support the show, go to barbellshrugged.com and sign up for the newsletter. And we're back with Joe P., a.k.a. Joe the Farmer. We're up here talking about sustainable farming, things you should know about the food you're eating.

The evils of government propaganda, fuck them. Yes. Well said. As things become more transparent, people's eyes are being opened. And that's one of the things we're trying to do here. That's great. We want to talk about CSAs. Well, two things.

We'll talk about CSAs because that's how people can get involved and how they can get a hold of these types of foods. Can you inform us? Tell us about CSAs and how people can get started? Okay. Yeah. So CSA is community supported agriculture. Find the local farm in your area, the local CSA farm in your area and sign up for a 20 week program. They probably do. That's what we do. Some farms do 10 weeks. Some farms do whole year long programs, depending on where you're at. And it is a guaranteed way for you to get their produce and their meats and their eggs delivered directly to you. Or you may have to go and pick it up at a farm stand, you know, in your town.

But that is the most important thing we can do, be buying from small farms all across America. And maybe we will change things around. A lot of times they'll deliver straight to a CrossFit gym. We've had that in the past where we would, like Saturday morning, they would come with a big delivery with a bunch of coolers and they would just drop it off at our gym

and people would just come train, pick it up. People that didn't train at our gym, they could come pick it up there too. That's exactly what we do. It's not expensive. Mountain strength, CrossFit,

Winchester. I was going to say that. Yeah, yeah. What do you say to people who are like, I don't have the money for this, Joe. I can't afford to have that CSA thing brought to the gym every week.

Well, the CSA is cheaper than Whole Foods, first off. No, this is what people say. This is what fucking people say about it. It's too expensive. 100%. You're absolutely right. So if you broke down most CSA shares, they will be cheaper than going to Whole Foods or anywhere, any grocery store and buying produce.

Unless, of course, you're buying the completely terrible produce. If you're buying bottom-of-the-barrel Walmart, you might get away with a little bit cheaper food. However, what you're eating isn't going to do anything for you. That's exactly right. That's point one. It's not too expensive. Just do the math yourself.

And point two would be, if you're somebody who's interested in performance and you're looking for ways to do it and you currently have a shelf full of fucking bullshit and bottles and jugs and all this powdered shit like i'm talking about supplements until you put your money i'm i'm i'm saying go for it until you fucking put your money in real food in places like this until you eat this and understand the kind of benefit that has to your physiology and your fucking emotional well-being and your performance and everything

until you do that take the money out of your fucking cabinet put it in the pocket somebody joe that can make you fucking feel better yeah that's what i would say to you try it for one fucking cycle do it see how good you feel so you guys are in the middle of vermont in pittsfield vermont i'm fired up joe i love it i love it joe doesn't carry some boston that's right fuck it so because you guys deliver because you guys deliver real food and it has a short shelf life because it's real food, you probably can't deliver all over the world. You have to deliver to a semi-local area.

The whole local farming movement delivers to the local area. So how far do you guys deliver outside of Pittsfield? So we last winter found ourselves asking ourselves a big question. What actually is local, right? That's the big problem. And the congressional definition of local is 400 miles. So we created this graphic, which we are basically at the hub of,

and drew a circle. And so we also partner with other farms, right? Like we bring other farm stuff down into the cities as well. So any of the food that we deliver travels over 400 miles. And most of it really travels like 150 miles. So if someone just got on Google and they Googled Pittsfield and it was less than 400 miles, but, and most of it really travels like 150 miles. So if someone just got on Google and they, they Googled Pittsfield and it was less than 400 miles, then more than likely you can help

them out. Uh, yes, 100%. Uh, as long as they have a group of people and you know, it's really hard for us to say one person, yeah, I can deliver this and it's a hundred miles away from everybody else. So typically what we try to do is groups of 10 to 20 people, you know, and you mentioned CrossFit gyms, like we've partnered with a couple of them in Mass. CrossFit Magnitude in Pembroke and Mountain Strength CrossFit in Winchester. Nice. We literally pull up there. We'll be there tomorrow.

We pull up there with coolers in our refrigerator truck and drop off a bunch of food. After your workout, you bring it right home. We're going to have to come do a delivery with you one day. Yeah, it'll be great. We'll come back probably six months from now. We wear our delivery outfits. I'm in Vermont every six months now. Okay.

We'll schedule it where we'll do the drop-offs. That guy with the beard from that thing brought us our food this morning. And that's not a pain in the ass for the gym owner. It's not like you're charging the gym owner to make that drop-off location. No, we give the gym owners free food for letting us drop the food there, to be honest.

Hey, my CSA didn't do that. For all you CrossFitters in the Boston area, we give you free food if we can drop off at your gym. Do you need any other? Oh, shit. That's a selling point right there. That's good, right? Because most gym owners are poor.

That's right. And most farmers, too. Sign up, folks. Yeah, so that's two parts, too. So we were talking about more than likely you do have money to buy good, healthy food. When I was in college, my grocery bill, when I told people what it was, they were like, what? Madness.

And when I was first starting the gym, I was like, I only make X amount of dollars. I was spending close to 50% of my income on my food because that's how much I value. Because it's a lifetime value thing. You're going to live longer, healthier. Have you priced cancer lately? Right. That's longer, healthier. Have you priced cancer lately? That's the big question. Have you priced cancer lately? Or if you're a college student,

how much money every week is going towards beer? It's like the kids who are like, oh yeah, you know. They spend $200 a month on supplements and then they have $200 to $300 in bar tabs and they can't afford healthy food. And you're typing your History 101 paper on a fucking $3,000 new laptop. I think you have money for food. can't afford healthy food. You're typing your History 101 paper on a fucking $3,000 new laptop.

I think you have money for food. Don't be a dick. The other thing too, on the money side of things is the things you spend money on are what decides what happens in the world. If you want to see a world where healthy food is cheaper, there has to be more volume being done. Simple supply

and demand, simple economics is if we have more people demanding that these things be produced and the supply side will come in and then the price is going to drop. And so if we can just bite the bullet now, spend a little more money now, and we can get other people to come in, and this is where getting CrossFit gyms to partner with these farms is really important because if we can really get people to buy more of this stuff, not even just from a nutritional aspect, but from a just like,

let's make the world a better place because your farm, it doesn't do nearly as much damage to the earth as a lot of these other farms. These farms where they're like tilling up tons of land, where they have these CAFOs where they're taking cows and just like feeding them till they're almost dead then slaughtering them these these are very polluted environments and most farms are polluting the environment whereas your farm is actually healing the land and that's a huge piece that's something I think about a lot and that's one of the reasons I want to get into sustainable farming uh one day is because you know not only is it nutritionally better,

it's better for everybody's health, but it's also just better for the land. It's not just land. It's ocean, too. Look at the fucking dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico. 100% right. Yeah, I really think a lot of the droughts we're having out west is due to just, you know, 50 years of bad farming. Because we're allowing it. We are allowing this shit to go down.

We're driving it. We're driving the goddamn bus, you know, and it's insane, right? You got to put the money in the pockets of the right people to change things around a little bit. Absolutely. We're driving it. We're driving the goddamn bus. It's insane. You've got to put the money in the pockets of the right people to change things around. There are good organizations. We talked about not every big corporate entity is doing bad. Whole Foods is trying their best. They're doing a great job.

If they know that more and more people are rising to this, they could put their money behind the movement. Very easily. Unfortunately, the laws are kind of set up in the favor of the big corporate farmers. No's right. And unfortunately, the government kind of had, the laws are kind of set up in the favor of the big corporate farmers. No. Kind of destroying the land.

So it's like, what are you talking about? And it was really, and so not only are the like the tax, I mean, they're subsidized. That's right. Simply put, they don't pay as much taxes and they actually get money from the government. That's right. Their money gets, their farming gets paid for. We have to pay to be certified organic, right? Right.

Which is now starting, the subsidies are starting to come our way as well to reimburse for the organic certification and the yearly dues and all that stuff. But that is the absolute truth. Wall Street is starting to believe in us and the government is starting to turn around. The government just bought up USDA,

so it's like they're going our way. But we just got to keep that train going, you know. Take a good battle, gentlemen. So some of these subsidies and things like that are against you. But there's also some laws that are, you know, people are being, you know, farmers are being prosecuted for, you know, things like selling raw milk or crossing state lines or something like that. That's right.

So there's a, do you know about the Legal Defense Fund? There's like a local, what's it called? I can't remember what it is. Rob Wolf is really big on it. You should, if anyone's like really passionate about this specifically, you should check out his website. I think he's got a link there. We'll make sure to publicize this. There's like a legal, yeah, we'll put it on our blog.

We'll put a link. But there's a Legal Defense Fund for farmers who get in some kind of trouble oh it's really cool yeah so there's something out there for that hopefully i will not have to use the legal defense fund but you never know if you ever get in trouble we're gonna swoop in with cameras awesome man that's sweet i'm so happy to have you guys on my back so do you have any advice for anyone that wants to potentially start their own farm someday, even if they're starting on a super small scale? Um, yeah, just go for it. That's what we did, right? We, we started with, there you go, man. That's right. That's it. Uh, fuck up, but you'll learn and you'll make your farm work, right? You're right.

Everybody fucks up with everything they do. I don't care if you're sitting in the box, you fuck up every day. Right. So, um, basically we bought three goats and 25 chickens and started planting some seeds. And now we have 29 goats and 200 chickens and we're growing produce on four acres. So yeah, like seven years later, you know, so you just got to go for it. By the time the show airs and a little bit of time goes by, you'll have like fucking 500 goats over there. 500 chickens. Not going for 500 goats. I don't know.

I'm not a farmer. I'm not talking about that. I'm just communicating that I hope things grow. Last night we were,, we were invited. We're traveling all over the place. We were invited up here by Joe DeSina. And we were at a function last night up in a barn. Not the type of barn you may be thinking of.

And we didn't know what it was. And we were surprised. We walk in, 8 o'clock at night. What's going on? They're like, sit down. Is this a wedding or something? Sit down. We're having dinner.

It's like this formal dinner. I'm like, I am in gym clothes. I'm tired. I had goat shit on my boots so it's all good so we walk in there's a lot of authors there's a lot of entrepreneurs there's a lot of like activists all in this room and and everyone uh there was uh the 431 project uh which is uh i'm i wasn't here for the entire weekend i basically showed up for the ass end of the trip so So I don't know exactly what was going on. But I kind of put the pieces together. It's about solving the child obesity problem. Obesity and diabetes, yes.

Keeping kids off the couch, get them out, doing physical activity. That's right. I think one of the large taglines is that for the first time in human history, our children's life expectancy is less than ours. That is not acceptable.'s just not acceptable. That's not acceptable. That's fucking bull. Yes.

That doesn't jostle you into action. What does? That's right. Yeah. And so, uh, what's the website? Is it just four, three, one project? Four, three, one project.com. I believe.

Okay. Yeah. We'll, uh, we'll also post that to the website. Absolutely. Yeah. There's a lot of people hitting it from a lot of different angles. There's authors there. There's a guys like Ben Greenfield who we've had on a podcast before.

Joe is basically leading that up. Not only are they trying to improve kids just getting exercise, but nutrition and looking at the education system. Basically, he invited 100 people in the room that can hit it from every single angle. If we can hit it from every single angle, maybe we can make a big difference. What I also like about that event is that there's a people who are... Look, here's the bottom line about Joe. There's a room full of people saying

they're going to change the world. Normally, they'd be like, cool, man. Let me know how it goes. I'll cheer for you. Maybe I'll share your post. But in this room, I believe that that's going to happen. I do not put anything past Joe. And then also in that room were stories of how it can happen. My highlight was that guy got up.

Normal looking guy. Looks like a normal crossfit. Muscular, bald guy. You know, the one I'm talking about. He gets up and tells a story. I go, oh, yeah, he seems like he's really passionate about whatever he's going to say. And he goes, yeah, I just want to say that. I used to be 500 pounds.

500 pounds. He used to be 500 pounds. Now he's probably, he looks like he's 225, maybe 240. He's 230. I talked to him last night. 230. 500 he used to be 500 pounds now he's probably he looks like he's 225 to two maybe it's 230 he's dropped last night 230 so he's down from 500 and he just said look I I want to say thank you because I'm living proof of what kind of change you can make if you just listen to these simplest things your whole life can just be totally revolutionized yeah that's right this is totally revolutionized totally better you, you know, you can feel so much better. You know, it's so simple, yet we are taught not to do it, to live the other way. I don't understand.

Everyone wants a complex solution to it, what they perceive as a complex problem. Listen, get outside, eat real food, and you will live a longer, healthier life. And you'll also be stronger and faster. That's right, right? and happier and sexier. Knowledge bomb drop. Very simple. So for kids that really don't understand that they're going to be obese and become diabetic and get some type of long-term chronic disease that's going to be digging themselves into a very deep hole

that's hard to get out of, how do you get them to understand the importance of of exercising and and and eating well and i know you're not like a expert on kids kids fitness nutrition whatever but but do you have any any perspective on that having kids yourself and working with joe on this 431 project yeah so i mean the best advice i can give is find other uh so it starts with the parents obviously right and um you need to put your kids in the right environment like and that's exactly what i've done so um you know it's really hard for for these inner city kids that they're given zero options and their parents you know don't educate them otherwise you know they are legitimately going and eating burger king you know five times a week if the king is in front of you burger king's in front of me and that's the only food available that's right i'm gonna eat it you

gotta and i totally know better but right there's food there and I'm hungry and it just happens. So I'm glad you said that because I really think that's the solution from my perspective is putting them in the right environment where making the right choice is the only choice. 100%. If the wrong choice is available, it's going to happen. That's right. I agree. Most people are going to go with the wrong choice every time. Like Joe DeSantis says, he always takes the harder route.

If he's got two choices, right, he picks the harder one because he knows that has to be the right one. He does it. He does it. 100%. No, 100%. And, you know, so that's kind of, if you're given the two choices, if you're given the Burger King or the salad, the kid's going to take the Burger King every time, right? You know, so, yeah, let's out it.

Yeah, the kid's not going to regulate himself. No, 100%. Or herself. CTPS on the side. I was going to say, and on that note, you got to, you know, big couch is going to hate me, but if you can't have the foods in the pantry that are going to make you fat, you can't have the couch. So let's get rid of the couches, right?

Yeah. Actually. Big couch. I was thinking about. Big couch. You talking thinking about. Big couch. You talk about like a couch in your living room? No, like big pharma. Like big couch.

Like the couch industry. Big agra, right. So yeah. Big agra. Sorry, Jordan. Conspiracy to keep you agra. Big couch. Not big bean bags, though.

We all need big bean bags. Oh, yeah. Let's not get crazy. That'd be insane. We need big bean bags. Oh, man. My favorite piece of furniture. Yeah.

No doubt. No doubt about it. All right. So we're hanging out up in the barn. We're talking about figuring out how to solve this problem. And then you and I are hanging back having a drink. And I was telling you, I was like, I want to start a farm one day, you know, maybe three years from now.

And I think the conversation ended as we will be starting a farm three years from now, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you were saying, oh, yeah, to be considered local, it's got a 400-mile radius, and we're talking about maybe we could partner up in a way where we could, like, open up more farms in different places. That's right. So, you know, everything has to be scalable if you want to, A, if you want to financially succeed, but if you want people to

believe in you and to fund our project as well, right? So the scalable vision is here, and I don't even know if this is ever possible, but we've created like Sweet Georgia Peas Food Shed, right? Which is that 400 mile radius around our farm. And now why can't you take that 400 mile circle and just plop it all over the country, right? And I'm not even saying Sweet Georgia Peas, but small farmers, let's do it, right? If all of a sudden our small farms and our CSA radius is plop it all over the country, right? And I'm not even saying sweet Georgia peas, but small farmers, let's do it, right? If all of a sudden our small farms and our CSA radius is plopped all over the country, now that choice is available to every child out there. Do you think that's the only way you can lose right now is because right now you aren't unified. If the small farmers get together, now you have the force that can balance out the other side.

That's right. And we're quickly banding together right now. This is like a militia situation. We're going to put together a battle flag. We're going to fucking rally the troops and make something happen. That's right, and we have the Spartan militia behind us, so we can do it. It was my understanding when Starbucks was growing, and maybe this is still happening,

that they wouldn't just plop Starbucks all over the country. They would move into a city, and they would just take over the city one city at a time, where they would put Starbucks in one location and then one pretty close by and then one pretty close to that one pretty close to that one pretty close to that and they would kind of just cover the whole city until that was just the only obvious option because they blanketed the whole city and everyone had a ton of awareness about starbucks in that city and then they would move on to a new city sounds like and i don't even risk and i don't even know if that's true but but that that could be a potential a potentially good way to go about doing sustainable farms.

Put them close to each other. That way you saturate that area as far as awareness goes. That's right. And right now, like the coast, the Northeast and then California, you know, Northern California and stuff, that's kind of what's happening, right? And it starts on the coast. And I think most things probably do start on the coast in this country, right? And now we just got to kind of keep pushing forward.

Yeah. Yeah. Things do seem to start on the coast and kind of move right? And now we just got to kind of keep pushing forward. Yeah. Yeah, things do seem to start on the coast and kind of move in. That's right. Yeah. What about cows? I know you have goats and chickens and you do a variety of vegetables and whatnot. We have Angus cows, four Angus cows up on the hillside. They look very happy up there.

They are. Couldn't have a better life. One fateful day. One bad day, man. One bad day. What are you doing, Joe? It's a 30-minute ride, man. It's only a 30-minute car ride.

All right? So, yeah. There, there, girl. There, there. That's right. Hey, we are omnivores. We eat meat, right? So you may as well eat meat responsibly, people.

Eat meat responsibly. Yeah. So how does this here compare to like industrialized cow operations or whatever they're called? Like a food lot? Oh, man. One is a hell on earth, and the other one is a farm. That's right. That's right.

One is a disgusting pile of rubble. Have you been to a Colorado big crazy feedlot? No, I've never toured. Well, don't go. I've driven by there. All you got to do is, like, i just crossed the country yeah uh by truck and pulling my trailer behind me and uh i forget which state we were in but yeah we we drove by something that was obviously one of those capable operations where they just and basically what

happens is a lot of uh cattle are raised on farm and on grass or whatever and that's how they live most of their life and then the last five months of their life, they're shipped. They get all put in a truck. They get shipped to this something called a CAFO. And what they do is they just fatten them up with grains. They give them the food that makes you fat. So if you eat grains, you get fatter. Cows eat grains.

Sometimes they use candy. They get fatter. And here's the thing is what they do is they even feed them themselves. So the parts of the cow that are not uh usable by us humans like i like i refuse to eat the hooves and the and the ears and all this stuff right what they do is they they recycle that they feed the cows to themselves uh and we all know green is people we all know people i mean like and we know can't like human cannibals end up with strange diseases

because they're eating other humans, right? Prions in your fucking brain and stuff. There's scariest diseases there are. There's something that happens with the cows as well. So they're feeding the cows themselves lots of grains, lots of corn. The reason they're getting the corn is because we subsidize the corn industry and we have too much corn, like more corn than we can eat, so we just feed it to the cows to fatten them up. you get that really nice marbling it's because we fed them you

know they'll feed them anything now they'll they'll feed them fucking excess candy there's go google that oh really like last year i read an article the year before where they had corn it was a tough year for corn or something a little bit of drought or something so they started reaching to wherever they had they started having like bulk candy shipments put into the feed and mixing it in. I have a 99% memory of that article. What ends up happening is this process only lasts five months

because if it lasts any longer than five months, the cow dies. And you ever see like, oh, these cows weren't given antibiotics or whatever. Well, what ends up happening in this environment is they have to pump them full of antibiotics because if they don't, they'll die. So the scientists have figured out a way to keep the cow alive for five months with that

diet, in that environment. They keep them right before they die, they slaughter them, and they feed them to you. Like, they feed you sick meat is what you end up getting. That's why you eat grass-fed. That's right. In addition to that, if you go to one of these CAFOs, you end up with, it's just all dust. There's no grass. It's all dust.

There's a lot of runoff. There's a lot of pollution runoff. Cess pools. Yeah, and it is nasty. So anytime you're not, and Joel Salton talks about this. I don't know if you're familiar with him. He does a lot of sustainable farming education. But it talks about like anytime you're farming just one thing, you have to ship a lot of stuff in.

And then it creates a lot of pollution and it just kind of drains off. That's right. You're mining. You're not farming at that point. You're mining. And it's not a mining operation. I was about to say that, right? So cows really aren't our big thing, but we do the beef angus because they're preparing our fields for growing produce now.

So they're the whole permaculture design type of thing. It's a part of the larger ecosystem that keeps the farm running. That's right. You're running an ecosystem here. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. So to do the sustainable farming, small scale, it's running an ecosystem. I think if you understand what you're being served now, there's a time where you can no longer just

pretend that steak that is pale red and fatty. You can't pretend that you don't know where that shit's coming from. I think every individual, you've got a couple bucks in your pocket going to buy your meal. Again, I think it comes down to what you said. You've got to make the best decision you can make right then. Ask yourself, what am I supporting?

When I put my five bucks down, should I put down seven or 10 or 15? I think that's even kind of a myth, right? Like I think if you really start paying attention to it, you're not going to be paying that much more for eating the right way. You actually would probably be pretty surprised because you're not buying that $4 monster drink, right? You're drinking a glass of tap water instead, right? So if you make these decisions, I really think at the end of the year, you'd be alright. On a weekly basis, you're still drinking the monster, you're buying the, you know, and then you're buying the produce. And you buy the grass-fed steak.

That's right. So then, yeah, exactly. So if you're supplementing with this stuff, then you're going to be spending more money. But if you actually switch your diet to the real, you know, eating real food primarily, I think you're going to be really, really shocked. We go back to the lifestyle thing. That's right.

People always want to just dip their toe in being healthy. Right. They'll do it for a week. They'll do it for a week. You've got to go all in. You've got to train. You've got to get frustrated. You've got to train.

You've got to change your lifestyle. How come I'm not healthy? Then they get frustrated. Yeah. Or strong or performing better. How come this, that, and the other? Especially if you start counting all the money you spend by just eating out yeah if you include that as part of your grocery bill then if you didn't eat out anymore and you just ate you know healthy meat and vegetables and um and

maybe some fruits nuts seeds that that whole deal and you weren't buying any more processed food you weren't buying any more alcohol or beer and you weren't eating out and you didn't have a bar tab kind of like we said earlier then it's not that crazy expensive. You would probably save money. That's right. Back in the day, I did a budget and I found out that I was spending more money on eating out than I was on groceries. Oh, yeah. That's quite common.

But the majority of my meals were at home. I'm like, oh. Yeah. Okay. Right. Economics 101. Yeah. In a restaurant, they're probably serving you the cow that you don't want to eat.

I'm a slow learner, folks, but I've learned there's a lot of other slow learners out there. So I'm here to help you. Form a militia of slow learners. It took you a long time to learn there was a lot of slow learners. Proving you were a slow learner. At the age of 32, I've learned. There's a lot of dummies like me. I've learned that.

What? I think. So do you know enough about subsidies with corn and soybeans and all the kind of the big agriculture to talk about how that kind of developed and how that's affecting our food supply for the whole country? Or is that something that... That's not... I would rather not get into a conversation. We'll bring like some kind of like agricultural economics.

Yeah, yeah. That's what you need. You need... Right. So there's two type of farmers that are happening right now, right? So you have people like us that have just dove right in and learning it and learned it from square one, three goats, 25 chickens. And then you have the whole slew of students that are coming out with ag degrees

and stuff like that that have never put their hands in dirt. And those are the people you need to talk to to have that conversation. Those sons of bitches. Those sons of bitches. It's unbelievable. I don't i don't know if they're a good thing or a bad thing but uh yeah i think that any student going into an ag program should be work on a working for-profit farm um for one year before they're allowed into

that program because we have kids coming out of these programs now that come to work on the farm they're like hey but i don't want to be in the hoop house for six hours. It's too hot in there. You know? That probably goes for any industry. That's right. That's right. Yeah, no doubt. Where do you keep the chemicals? Not the farmer mentality. My lab at school had all these chemicals. Where are they? I can't grow shit, man. I'm

not prepared. I have $80,000 student loan debt. What am I going to do? All right, let's wrap this up. Joe, if they want to find out more about your operation, where do they go? Sweetgeorgap.com. So it's just the letter P at the end. And you can find us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, all that good stuff. Follow these good people. And that's the biggest thing. And to spread the small farming movement throughout the United States, right? We just need the power of the social media and the help of you guys. And it's really cool. I'm so happy to have you visiting the farm. Are there any other websites that you're familiar with that maybe like people can find their local farm? Yeah. So I know the one in Vermont in the Northeast

is Northeast Organic Farming Association. So NOFA.com. Vermont Organic Farmers is another site. And there you could, I guarantee they have links all over the country to find your small farms. You know, in the cities they have, like New York has Just Food, and they're kind of the intermediaries bringing all the CSAs down into New York. Yeah, just do a small amount of research on Google, and I guarantee there's a local farm near you that you can support. Use the Googles, you dummies. Use the Google. You'll figure it out. Black's in the pot.

If Google can't help you, nobody can. All right. Make sure you go to barbellstrug.com, sign up for the newsletter, and we'll send you all the information that you can't find on Google. Thanks, Joe.