Barbell Shrugged - 2019‘s Greatest Hits w/ Anders Varner - Real Chalk #108

Episode Date: December 31, 2019

This weeks episode is with Anders Varner (host of barbell shrugged). I wanted to have Anders on the show to basically highlight some of his favorite moments from the almost 100 podcasts that he’s recorded this year. Essentially creating a greatest hits list.    We spend about 15 minutes on one particular piece at a time so there’s really no down time for non-knowledge bombs. Everything is a highlight reel, which makes it super easy and fun to listen to the whole time. Enjoy!    ---------------------------------------------------------------- Show notes: http://www.shruggedcollective.com/rc-ep108 ---------------------------------------------------------------- ► Subscribe to Shrugged Collective's Channel Here http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedSubscribe 📲 🎧 Listen to the audio version on the Apple Podcast App or Stitcher for Android Here- http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedApple http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedStitcher Shrugged Collective is a network of fitness, health and performance shows that help people achieve their physical and mental health goals.  Usually in the gym, but outside as well. In 2012 they posted their first Barbell Shrugged podcast and have been putting out weekly free videos and podcasts ever since. Along the way we've created successful online coaching programs including The Shrugged Strength Challenge, The Muscle Gain Challenge, FLIGHT, Barbell Shredded, and Barbell Bikini. We're also dedicated to helping affiliate gym owners grow their businesses and better serve their members by providing owners tools and resources like the Barbell Business Podcast. Find Shrugged Collective and their flagship show Barbell Shrugged here: SUBSCRIBE ON ITUNES ► http://bit.ly/ShruggedCollectiveiTunes WEBSITE ► https://www.ShruggedCollective.com INSTAGRAM ► https://instagram.com/shruggedcollective FACEBOOK ► https://facebook.com/ barbellshruggedpodcast TWITTER ► http://twitter.com/barbellshrugged

What's up guys? Welcome to another Tuesday and another episode of hopefully your favorite podcast, Real Chalk on the Shrugged Collective. This week we're going to have Anders Varner on the show, the host of Barbell Shrugged. And basically what I wanted to have him on for this week was to talk about all the highlights of all the podcasts that he's done this year. What are some of the favorite things that you've learned about nutrition or life or whatever? So I try to ask him all these questions and kind of just compile a nice little greatest hit list for you guys into one little episode that's an hour long. So I think we did a pretty good job. Obviously, you know, I've been friends with Andrews forever. So we got to get, we get sidetracked a little bit here and there. We were also in an event called Strong New York and there was a huge seminar going on right next to us.

And they were all talking like, you know, I mean, all answering questions and people raising hands and stuff like that. And we were yelling so loud off to the side about this podcast, like in the middle of it, where they all looked over at us and we didn't know what was going on. We're like, what's going on? And the guy on the stage is looking at us and he's like, shut the fuck up. So I guess we were actually louder than the actual, the whole seminar that was going on next to us. So if that gives you any insight into how exciting this podcast may be, hopefully, you know, that's just a little bit for you guys. So anyway, I hope you guys love this podcast.

It is, you know, technically in my eyes, it would be like a greatest hits for Anders on his podcast over there called barbell shrugged. So I think that you're going to get a bunch of nice little cool little bits that are going to last about 15, 20 minutes a pop. And then, uh, and we'll keep moving on before we get into the show. I just want you to know that January 6th is coming right around the corner. Um, obviously you're like, well, January 6th, what about January 1st? Obviously I was coming to, but on the sixth is when I'm going to do my next challenge. And you guys always hear me talk about the challenge. You guys probably see it on my social media. I have the carb cycle challenge and the keto cycle challenge. And they're all kind of umbrellaed under the earn your carbs lifestyle,

which is the thing that I've been, you know, marketing the most and kind of living my life by. So a lot of people have been asking me how I eat and this and that. And I eventually just kind of made this whole lifestyle and guide and challenge and all this stuff. And people are really, really getting into it. And I have an insane amount of before and after photos. And it's just grown to be a beast. So I'm really excited about it. It's like my main purpose to be on this earth right now, I feel like, is for this challenge. And change people's lives and nutrition.

And make it as easy for them as possible. and sustainable. That's my goal, right? Is to not just do a challenge, but to do something that you actually want to do forever. And that's why I call it kind of like the lifestyle. So everything kind of revolves around the earn your carbs lifestyle premise. And in my opinion, it really is the easiest thing to do, which makes it more sustainable, and you guys keep it in the long term. Anyway, you guys go to jimryan.com, G-Y-M-R-Y-A-N.com, and you guys can find out more information on the challenge. Sorry, sick over here still. You guys can find out more information about the challenge, signing up, and then all the things you get with it. You guys get a free e-book that comes with it.

And right now, I just came out with the new Super Set 100 book, which is for people in regular gyms. You guys can get that book for free, which is a $30 book just for signing up for the challenge. You also get a free month of Chalk Online, which is 20 bucks. And then you get lifetime access to the Facebook group, which I'm always going on there. I'm doing live Q&As. There's people in there answering questions.

It's super cool. I love the community vibe. I really didn't think that that was going to happen. I just thought it was going to be a place for people to ask questions and I would just go answer them. But it turned more into like people are really in there, like, you know, vibing every single day, which is so, so cool. I didn't even expect it.

So we have that going on right now. And that's going to be the keto cycle challenge. And then the carb cycle challenge, I took down a challenge, and now it's just a guide. You can just buy the guide anytime, and it is no challenge. You don't have to turn in a photo or anything like that. You just do it. And if you actually do get a really dope before and after photo and you send it to me, I'll give you your money back. And I'll post it on my Instagram, and, you know, you got a bunch of information for free.

So really, really cool stuff. Jesus. Anyway, I hope you bunch of information for free. So really, really cool stuff. Jesus. Anyway, I hope you guys go check it out. And as always, just like the regular books in the store, if you guys type in Real Chalk in all capital letters, you guys get 25% off for being listeners of this awesome podcast. So without any further ado, let's hit the podcast. If you guys love it and you guys want to share it,

make sure you tag me and you tag Anders Varner and the Shrug Collective and we would love that and I hope you guys have a fucking awesome new year I hope you guys had a great Christmas I hope you guys have an even better year coming up and if you guys ever have any questions about anything honestly like I always tell everybody like my email box is always full so one one more email is not really going to hurt. Go ahead and email me info at CrossFitChalk.com and I'll be able to get back to you guys with whatever any questions you guys have, whether it's about my stuff or, you know, about the podcast or about business stuff, anything like I just love to help my people out. And it's been something, you know, since my injury with my arm, a lot of you guys don't

know, like I had my bicep tendon surgery. So I've just been like really like loving reaching out to everybody and, you know, since my injury with my arm, a lot of you guys don't know, like I had my bicep tendon surgery. So I've just been like, really like loving reaching out to everybody and, you know, just having some great talks. So, all right guys, I will see you next week after this show and we will have, who, what, who is next week? Um, Oh, Logan Aldridge. He is a one-armed athlete and he's part of the adaptive community. We'll have him on next week, all right? So, all right, I hope you guys love this show. See you next week.

Ladies and gentlemen, I can't even express how excited I am right now to have Mr. Anders Varner on the show. If you guys don't know who Anders is, that's really, really weird. But also, he's like one of the most influential people in my life so we did a lot of cool shit together for a long time and then now we're on the podcast together so i thought it would be cool to ask him to create a greatest hits album for us tupac style right we're gonna get on here we're gonna wrap this thing out and i was really excited to hear his his answers so well i can't say I was. I am because I haven't asked him yet.

So I'm going to go with, like, right now, you've been doing this for how long? Is it two and a half years now? Three. Two years. So my very first show was actually – there we go. Now I'm better. My very first show was Brett Contreras, and I did it like January 5th of 2018, so two years basically. This will probably air right out of two years.

Okay. So in that time, what are some of the most influential things that you've heard in the fitness space? So I know you probably – I mean it's all kind of fitness related, but what are like the big nuggets that you've had so far? So I, I would, let's just break that down as like the coolest interview that I have done. It doesn't have to be one either. It could be a few. Well, I have like a couple special ones, right? Ben Bergeron was so rad that was a i feel like that was a pivotal moment

like in my life because i have respected that dude for so long and just like thought his vibe was so so legit um and but what did you get out of it well hold on so the biggest piece was that i don't know if you ever get nervous when you meet some people. I would say 80% of the time. I'm not going to say that because I fucking hate 80-20 everything. Most of the time, I'm very confident when I put the mics on and I have a specific thing that I want to learn from that person or I think they're very good at. That then turns into an interview, which turns into a conversation, and hopefully by the the end i feel like we're in friendship i was nervous as hell sitting in ben bergeron's office thinking like what am i going to talk to this guy about like how i was like super imposter sitting in this dude's office

and i felt like by minute 90 that i could play with ben bergeron on like an intellectual training level. And I think a lot of that was because when it comes to like the big takeaway, the amount of living his brand of chasing excellence just comes out in everything he does. Because it's not just like a, I feel like the days of like hearing a nugget and you're like, oh, that's the thing

that's going to make my life better. I feel like that happened a lot in the early days of our training where someone was laying the foundation. When I walked into his gym, the system of CrossFit New England just hit me right in the face. The head trainer came over,

introduced himself, asked if we wanted any water. And then we were like, no, we're here to meet with Ben and we have a show. And then the second head trainer came over, introduced himself, asked if we wanted any water. And then we were like, no, we're here to meet with Ben and we have a show. And then the second head trainer came over and asked us the exact same question. And then the third trainer came over and asked us the exact same question. And then Heather Bergeron came over and asked us the exact same question. And everybody was like so friendly, so nice. There was such a system to the happiness of that gym and the community and then meeting

with him and him just breaking down everything from like fatherhood to coaching elite athletes to all of it there was like a system and a flow and um he dropped this one line because we always talk about like creating a family atmosphere in your gym and he actually defined family as forget about me i love you and as goofy as it sounds like in that it was like you've even like thought about just some of these like additional pieces of putting in the work to create stuff that unifies your gym and you know when i found out that he was like a part of noble it just like the whole thing just made so much sense of like his persona and how he structures his life from 5 30 a.m to 6 p.m every day he takes the 6 a.m class and make sure that the product on the floor is so good which then

translates into the online thing and i think that i was just so nervous walking in there and then by the end of it i was like oh i can play with ben bergeron like i feel like i i'm i put in my reps to be not one of the best but like at least somewhere near that conversation like i just felt very confident in myself i stopped getting nervous meeting people to ask them to be on the podcast when you actually told me one day you said you go up to somebody now who is like a huge name and you're not like you're you're not helping me i'm i'm helping you yeah so you said that to me one day i never told you that that changed the way i looked at people but i was like now i can go up to anybody i don't care how famous they are now i'm like yeah you should you should be on my podcast because it's a big platform for you to

speak on. And I start with that now. I don't say that I am Ryan Fisher and like, I did all this cool shit. I'm like, I have this huge podcast. It gets a lot of downloads. It's really going to help you out and you should,

you should check it out. Yeah. So now I'm like, and then if they even have like any sort of hesitation, I'm like, Oh, it's your world. Yeah. Yeah.

You're, you're, you're saying no to something really great and you just fucked up. Yeah. So I lost all that actually after that conversation that's awesome yeah it was it was that was probably like the one year of being the host of barbell shrug because that's a weird transition in your life going from like gym owner regular coach guy to like host of barbell shrugged all eyes on me um and since that moment i felt like I've like super belonged in this role.

Like I was like destined to be here to have this voice and fitness. Um, and that, I feel like that specific interview, like really changed it for me, which then gets to what have I learned the most out of all of podcasting in the last two plus years? Um, is my understanding of what makes people like, I feel like in the first five minutes, I can tell you, no matter how much money you have made in business, or how many cool athletes you have, I know if you're good at it very quickly. And the depth that you bring to a specific subject, A lot of people can like, if I ask a question and the interviewee just goes on like the deep dive

about like why they're doing it, how they do it, the tactics they use, and then how it plays into the big vision and then the mission statement and how it fits their vibe. And like they can just every single piece of the business lay that out of what it is. I'm like, oh, you're a savage like yeah you've thought about everything and being in business for a decade i know how hard that is to run into those hiccups realize you have to go back and redo the whole process the whole system the message. And still stay true to who you are.

So, like, the guys at Noble. It was a super, we haven't aired this episode yet. But Marcus was, like, just a savage. The co-founder. And I'm walking through his office. And he keeps, like, he keeps walking up to me. And he's like, yeah, and on this wall we have this idea paint. And it's really nice because our community gets to, like, write ideas. And we just, we have, like, these boards everywhere. And then he came over and he was like, in this and on this wall we have this idea paint, and it's really nice because our community gets to write ideas,

and we have these boards everywhere. And then he came over, and he was like, in this pole, we painted it in idea paint. And over on this wall, we painted it where there's idea paint everywhere. And I was like, this dude's talking about idea paint. It's the fucking greatest thing in the world. What's going on? Well, the guy that owns Noble was also like the cmo for idea paint and i was like oh like you're a gangster yeah you are a savage you took this paint and made it like a real thing and then you found

this crossfit community because you were just in ben bergeron's gym and he inspired you to want to make a new shoe and now he's a partner and And no wonder you sold out 200,000 pairs of shoes on Black Friday without even putting a picture of it up. Like, they're just, you, like, talk to that guy, and you're like, oh, you're, like, you're different. You know what the hell is going on hardcore. There's a guy in my gym who graduated from Stanford. He owns his chain of gyms and a whole bunch of shit,

and he hasn't really worked very strenuously since he was like 35 yeah he has a house on the beach in newport right on the sand yeah like guy fucks totally he knows and like when you talk to him you just know yeah he just like he there's like a twinkle in his eye where you're just like yeah oh wow yeah if Yeah. If I had panties, they would be gone. Melted off. Yeah. Totally. And he doesn't have to say anything.

Yeah. It's almost the Dan Bilzerian effect. It's just like, okay. Yeah, you're that guy. Yeah. Let's go. But there's like a, dude, you're one of my favorite examples. Like people that see your success on Instagram and all that stuff, like you're one of my best friends.

I fucking love you. This is not just a love you fest, but, like, I know what it took for you to get where you're at. You remember where I was a decade ago. A decade? Fuck. Yeah, it's crazy, right? You actually showed up in my life a decade ago.

I'm so old. And when I meet people that have, like, done very well for themselves or achieved some level of something, the majority of the time they got there because the level of suffering that they had at the beginning was so high that the only way that they could get to a very successful point was to counterbalance how awful it was at the beginning.

And I think that you probably deal with this where someone, like, just starts following you now or they just hear about you now and they're like, oh, that guy's just smashing it. Like, how do I do it? Well, what you don't realize is, like, man, anytime I get that question, like, well, how do I start? We actually texted you this.

Grab a barbell. It costs you $450. And go start fucking training somebody right now yeah and make it so rad yeah like so dope and then come talk to me in 10 years yeah and then a decade later after you've done that 365 days a year for 14 hours a day you'll probably have it figured out yeah but there's there's literally no shortcuts and anybody you meet that happened to hit that shortcut at the beginning ends up blowing all their money. Cause they don't have the big,

deep purpose to it. And the big drive behind, like they weren't challenged enough at the beginning for it to meet. I've never heard that before in that term, that terminology, they never had the deep purpose. So like, I think the deep purpose is like what made me not blow my money.

Yeah. What made me like be so grateful for everything. I always say that all the time. Like if someone's like blow my money, what made me be so grateful for everything. I always say that all the time. If someone's like, oh, man, that would be cool to be that. Because I live in Newport, and there's so many rich people. And one of my neighbors actually has four cars and Ferrari and all this shit. And I was like, oh, what does that guy do? And I found out that his parents just have money.

He never did anything. And I'm like, oh, I wonder what that feels like. I want to go in the shower and just get that feeling off of me. I hate it, you know? So you're just like giving money away? Yeah, it's so different. It's so different. Okay, so we have the Ben Bergeron experience.

This next one was, you know, the brain power that you're seeking from some of these people. And then what are some of the bigger things that you've learned? I mean, you're already a coach in all these different things. And you own a gym like what are some of the things that you heard like that were like profound science pieces that you're like holy shit that is really really cool i'll never forget that um one thing that dr andy galpin in one of the very first shows he's so rad he's so rad right man he made this uh i'm gonna go higher of why this was so cool to me. I struggle immensely with, um, the influence or population that tells people to like,

it's okay. Like do 80, 20, like chill out. It's all right. Don't take yourself so seriously. And all I want to do is strangle that person. I hate them for saying it. Because they're fucking lying. They're lying so hard. And what they're not telling you is that... All the other shit they're doing. Yeah. And they're not telling you, like, I started tracking my macros five years ago.

And then I got really good at tracking my macros and I created all these habits so that I like mastered this piece but I love nutrition so much and how I controlled my body and how I controlled my workouts that then I started tracking like this and then I cut gluten and then I did this and this and this and eight years later now I'm a coach and I'm telling you to do 80 20 because I backed it down and now I'm happier. And it's like, stop. The only reason you backed your life down was because you were so far down the rabbit hole that you lost touch with who you were as a human. So then you came back and you started having a little bit more fun and you have a more balanced life.

But I didn't get good at anything by doing anything at 80% of whatever. Training's always balls to the walls. Training was all, I had to back it down because you're going to break yourself. But it's a reality that you have to commit. You have to go all in. You have to want it so bad. And you have to go crazy.

And then once you go crazy and you make it just a little bit, then you can back it down a little bit. But don't start there. Draw hard lines in the sand that say tomorrow i'm a different person i have to i have to want this thing more than anything else and if you have to lose 50 pounds there's going to be some real struggles 80 20s the not going to get you there you're not breaking up right now at 2019 is 80 20 it's sad i said it with a podcast the jordan i was, this whole world is so soft.

It's like we're all walking on a giant fucking Nike Air Max. Dude, I put up a post the other day. We actually did a whole show. I did a whole show with MASH about it. Dude, I got destroyed because I was like, if you do anything, specifically nutrition, at 80-20, you're 100% going to fail and never reach your goals. And you would have thought i was

just calling out everybody that had an eating disorder like they were such and it's like why are we so soft for me to say that you need to be better and you should try like if anybody follows you how often do you cheat on your diet yeah i literally can't even remember the last time i mean it happens it's just it's rare. And I probably do it significantly more than you, but I don't need to track my macros to know how many calories I ate in a day. You could put a cheeseburger in front of me, and I can look at it and tell you relatively close

what kind of calories you're putting in your body. Like, I know what working out needs to be for me to stay strong and stay in shape and stay everything. Because I have 23 years of practice, 23 years of the deep dive. I can live on the 80-20 line because my savings bank of fitness and nutrition is so high that I don't need to be a nut job anymore. But you shouldn't follow what I do today. You should follow what I did 10 years ago when I was trying to be the best in the world at CrossFit. Not possible, but, like, I tried. They're all marketing that 20% right now. Yeah. It's like,

oh, you can just do this. Donut diet, this, that. Look, it's great. You can do I-I-F-Y-M. Awesome. But you're going to be sick on the inside. You'll be skinny. You'll probably look pretty shredded, but you'll be rotten. That's fine if that's what you want to do. Rotten. It's so gnarly. It's gross. That's what that diet does to you. Can do rotten it's so gnarly it's gross that's what that diet does to you can't eat donuts and be healthy no matter what macros you hit where does this tie into uh galloping so he broke it down of the way that you actually optimize your health is that you have to go to the extreme deep end and then so if you're looking at nutrition, you eliminate things until you're perfect. And then the goal is to back down perfection and force your body to adapt.

So the idea is, I track my macros. Now I understand microvitamins. Now I'm eliminating gluten. Now I have no soy in my diet. I have all this stuff which is like level 10. And you do that for a very long time. Well, then you become unable to adapt. That's when you eat a piece of bread and you shit your brains out because your body just

can't handle it. So the goal is to go from zero to 100 and then back it down to 80-20 because now you're adapting to new food so you don't get sick. And now you optimize your health because you are you become bulletproof you're able to handle everything and use everything beneficially without getting sick and it made it it changed the way i thought about everything because i had been the hundred percent and then when i stopped competing and trying to find balance and trying to have a family I was able to say like oh well I've already done the hundred now my goal

is to like be more manageable and be able to go out to dinner with my family like it's really it's probably one of the most embarrassing stories but like I went home for Christmas one year like two weeks before the OC throwdown and I'm at Christmas dinner and I told my mom to fuck off because she put sugar in food like i'm in the middle of christmas dinner and i stand up

and walk out on my family i see them once a year yeah and i told my mom to fuck off because she put sugar in the food at christmas dinner like that's so gnarly right and i to this day it's probably one of the worst things that i've done as a son but i was there that's where i was and that's not sustainable for the rest of your life like i wanted to get married and have kids and do all that so you you have to figure out how it fits into your life but i see too many people not ever trying to find 100 and you don't need to go tell your mom fuck off like don't do that it's more just the example of like it's maybe not okay to go that far but you should want to try to be great at it and then once you kind of figure it all out back it down so that you enjoy your life. And he, from his lab perspective,

explained perfectly of why it's important to go all in. Stress is the catalyst for all change. Yeah. I mean, when a football player comes out of the tunnel, the stress of being in front of people, you can't create cellular change unless you put all the stress on the body. You can't make any of these gut changes without changing things that are pretty hard to do.

You can't become better in business unless you've had some bad shit happen, which caused a brain reaction where you changed. A lot of shit has to come from change. That's solid. I like that a lot. Man, when he said that, I was like, this is like the most – it's not even profound because it's almost so simple. But like in that, it just radically shifted everything that I thought.

It was like, I'm not going to get weak by not PRing. But I can still be strong as fuck. Well, you see all the people that are riding cruise control right now. They were all amazing athletes. I mean, I'm one of them. I looked at the way I looked while I was competing and the way I look right now. And even right now, I haven't worked out in a month. I haven't touched one weight in a month.

Literally nothing. And, I mean, I definitely look different. I'm a little bit lighter. But I think it was interesting to see the changes. Like, I've been taking photos, and it was, like, one week after my injury, I had the surgery. And then from the surgery, like another week. And then like even after surgery and even in another week, so two weeks of no working out, that was when my body started to change a little bit.

And I've been on vacations with girls for like five days, like the vacation of a lifetime and this and that. And like I'm stressing out because I haven't worked out for like two days. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm losing my fitness. I'm losing this and blah, blah, blah, blah. And like I'm looking at my ab check like all the time and i'm like is this really happening to me and it's like dude you just had surgery huge stress you didn't touch a barbell for two weeks and then like you finally started to change a little bit you're not eating the same you know like everything is different

and like now i'm a month in and i'm like i know i can get it back well i love the like just savings account idea right Each time you have a good workout, you put a couple bucks in the savings account. And over time, it compounds exponentially. Like you're just in good shape. I've never heard that before. And every time you eat a good meal, you put a couple bucks in. It's not radical, but you do it over 10 years, you're going to be healthy. Like you're going to be healthy. You're going to be strong. And if you take a month off, say you're losing a dollar a day, you've still got a couple grand in the bank account that you don't have to worry about.

Oh, that's cool. I like that. That methodology of thinking helps me a lot because, well, one, I have a kid now, so my sleep is weird. There's additional stress in my life. Everything's just different. And I don't get to train five, like, additional stress in my life. Like, everything's just different. And I don't get to train five, six days a week like I always have. And I'm like, you know what? If I get five in and two off, that's a plus three for the week, and life is good.

It's not like I'm going backwards. I didn't take two weeks off, and, like, now I'm a negative 14. It's just, yeah, I'm just a plus three instead of a plus five. All right, so it sounds like we of a plus 5. All right. So it sounds like we got a good life experience from Ben. We've got a good educational nugget from Gallopin. Gallopin. And what do we have for best business advice you've had?

This is my favorite, right? Dude. It could be multiple people. I don't even know who the person is. I think it's all the people yeah that's good um the people that uh instead of how about the the the things that i respect in people the most is when um okay the number one business coach i've ever had in my life is hands down Greg Glassman. The number one mentor I've ever had in my life is John Cena.

Like I watched those two guys. Those are two fucking dope people to put on your list. Right? Both worth like a billion dollars. And most importantly, both of them were personal trainers. And they just became what they are now and you don't become a personal trainer and become john cena overnight it's two decades of work you don't become greg glassman you have to put the work into creating your own thing like i most respect the

people that have gone out on their own and created their own vibe, created their own way of doing things. Like, high-intensity bodybuilding is so rad. Why? Because no one else does it. It's like a bunch of people did this, a bunch of people did that. You piece a lot of things together, and then all of a sudden it's yours. You've been doing it forever. It's like it's yours. Everyone knows you by it. The people that are really inspiring to me are not so much the people that sit there and are coaching CrossFit and have CrossFit athletes that are at the games.

I kind of know what that's all about. And you're playing somebody else's structure. It's the people that go and create their own structure and create their own rules. And they put themselves out there, and people follow them. They bring people to them. And that's really what we're doing with the One Ton Challenge. I've been asked a ton of times, like, are you going to Waterpalooza? It's like, ah, maybe.

Waterpalooza is awesome, but you're just kind of going back to CrossFit and staying in the CrossFit world. And, man, it's not that I don't want to be in CrossFit. It's just I think what we're doing right now is so rad. It's bigger. Yeah. It's bigger. It should be bigger.

I'll never be Greg Glassman playing Greg Glassman's game. Yeah. Like you just can't. You have to be your own thing for sure. You know who's learning that right now is every gym owner with CrossFit, your town name written on it never had it yeah you gotta let me know about it that was like that was something that at the beginning when we were crossfit pb it was like we're the one we're the only one and then like five years later i was

like oh no i don't want to be one of 10 000 i remember when i opened my gym brian was like dude that was really smart yeah like i can't believe you just called it chalk and i was like well what if and then he was like yeah what if and i was like i was like dude i'm not it took me way too long to get this like i'm i'm not fucking with it like if people want to call it crossfit great if they don't then it's chalk and like i'm this thing it's really cool so rad it's one word. You get everything. You understand what's going on. It's got a hardcore like feel to it. Yeah.

Super classy vibe. Like the place looks. So those are the people as a whole. If you ever hear me like really stoked on an interview, it's because I feel like that person's like gone out on a limb on their own and then totally created their own concept, their own business, their own way of thinking and made it awesome. The other piece is you can't just do it one time. You've got to do it forever. You've got to live that.

I think it's interesting. I had Jordan Syed on and we were talking about his YouTube channel. And I was like, has your YouTube channel always been as funny as it is right now? Because he does, like, all these ridiculous impersonations of different people and stuff. And he's like, no, dude, if you look at my YouTube from 2012, I'm, like, super awkward and, like, I'm not really fun. And he's like, and people always ask me, like, are you going to take those down? And he's like, no, I like when people can see that I sucked at it. And I had to work on it, like, really, really fun. And people always ask me, are you going to take those down? He's like, no, I like when people can see that I sucked at it. And I had to work on it really, really hard.

That's a really cool part of all of it is that you can go back to the beginning. I think about it all the time. I have this database of my life and the way I think and talk and communicate with people on podcasts and YouTube and everything. I'm creating a coffee table book for my house. Dope. It's basically a personal... I've never said this before. But it's pictures that basically...

I'm about to get emotional about it. But it's pictures that... It's my own personal notebook story. Awesome. So each picture will bring me back to life. Like every single, I feel like I'm going to, I'm going to go and sit and look at this book every day.

And the series of pictures are going to bring me back. Yeah. To that place. To every single time. I'm going to be like the chick in the movie. Yeah. And it's like, I haven't told anyone about it yet,

but like, I'm looking for all these photos and like, is that when the OC throw down picture showed up the other day that you posted yeah that's why i was thinking about it and then before that i have this one it's like me and andrea and ronnie were all on the street in la i love that picture yeah so like that's gonna be like those were grinding times yeah so i wanted to like put all those in and then it's just like oh dude like when when you lift your head out of this book and you look around at where you are it's gonna be intense yeah and like i just think that's the coolest thing and i i really want everyone to create their own notebook experience in case you don't remember

anything for someone to come over and tell you like hey this is what you should do i'm gonna do that now that's so rad and the reason i thought of it was because i went i went home you know last year and my mom had this giant scrapbook and the scrapbook i was like people don't make scrapbooks anymore i was like i want my own personal scrapbook but like i wanted it to be a business scrapbook that gets me like excited every day and like maybe one of the pages isn't even a photo it's just a quote that's just like fires me the fuck up like yeah all the time right and just like these like little things i love like little words that just like make me want to fucking jump out of my skin and start screaming and just be on fire have you found any yet that are like you're like whoa that was fucking time like oh see throw down the the moment that and what i posted the other day it's uh me

squatting yeah and the deadlift that happened eight minutes later was like the big one yep the deadlift and the squat i mean those were i was lifting numbers that no one had ever even seen from someone my size there was another guy there who was really big at the time. I remember you guys actually did a workout at the NLI, and he did a fuck ton of deadlifts at 315. I remember this guy. I can't remember his name. But regardless, I just had these huge numbers for being a small human. Yeah.

And people had never seen anything like that. NLI. And I knew that that was going to be the moment. I was like, I'm going to go squat right now, and people are going to lose their mind. And I was wearing Matt Loden's shoes, and i had urinary sleeves on and i had like all this other i mean every nothing was mine that i was wearing and it was just like and then i look at that photo now and it's crazy like the background is um paul gregor i was in there and justin flynn who i worked out i worked at his gym yeah right he's the whole reason i was there he called me

it was like hey why aren't you signing up for this event? I'm like, I don't have enough money. And he's like, well, if you win, you can pay me back. And then I actually almost put his gym out of business like 10 years later. But he fucked up. So it's his problem. That's a good example of someone who didn't have enough passion in what they did. You were only a tiny piece of the problem. Yeah.

I like to think that way. I don't like to ever think I did anything negative to anybody, even though people think that I wanted to show everybody. Oh, I'm sure he fucking loves it. Well, this is such a deep dive in a weird direction. But, yeah, no, he's come to terms with a lot of it. But when I sold the gym, he actually sought me out to hear my CrossFit story because, in a way, he thought that I was somebody that would be able to relate to the story that he went through. Uh-huh.

And our stories were very similar, like, to a point. And then his got very angry. And mine was like, I just had to move on. He just left. Yeah. I don't know if he told he just, he just left. Yeah. I don't think, I don't know if he told you that, but like he,

he, like he went to Nepal or something, right? He went to Bali for like six months. Like you can't just leave and then leave some guy in charge. Who's addicted to drugs and stealing all of your money. And like, and then it all just like dripped down to us. But this is totally,

no one even knows who this person is. Totally side. But this is someone I used to work for. Sorry guys. Like I used to work at this guy's gym, and he's one of the big reasons I had that moment in that squat at the OC Throwdown back in 2012. I will even say that he was one of the most forward,

big-picture-thinking people in our industry at the time. He created the OC Throwdown, which was the biggest event besides the CrossFit Games, period. And he was the first one to start throwing a big event, period. He was the first person that put a cash prize to a local competition. He was flying people in. Ten grand. Everybody was like, holy fuck.

No gym owner was even making ten grand once he was going to a competition. He was very ahead of what was going on, but he got really swallowed in CrossFit's growth. I think we all got swallowed in CrossFit's growth. But he let it bother him. You know what I mean? You and I were like, we're just going to be better. Like, no big deal.

Like, okay, bring it on. You're not going to beat me. And he was like, he still was doing it better than everybody, too. He was so good. But then he just let it bother him. Like, I remember he would go on social media and be like, look how many gyms are in my space. And he would show all these little dots. And I'm like, it doesn't matter because of all those gyms, you're the best one. So why do you care?

He had the best branding, too. Yeah. Like, that gym, We Love Brutal Workouts, is the best t-shirt that you could possibly make still to this day. Yeah, he should be a millionaire just off of that. And that was, we're all at weird young places, but I would transition from that into saying that, like, I think that the reason some people fall off and some people stay at it is, like, I feel like there has to be, like, that deeper purpose to why you're doing what you're doing. 100%.

And if you're opening a CrossFit gym because you want to have a CrossFit gym, I don't even know if that still happens. But maybe it does. And you can still make it as a CrossFit gym. People ask me all the time. Yeah, and you can still make it as a CrossFit gym. People ask me all the time. Yeah, and you can still make it as a CrossFit gym. It just, you better have a way deeper purpose than, like, I want to own a CrossFit gym. Because that's going to be super burnt out in six months. And in my opinion, you have to have your own unique vision. Like you're saying, you have to almost have the high-intensity interval bodybuilding vision of yourself.

Like, you're creating your own programming that doesn't exist. Like, if you're thinking you're just going to go in there and do Fran for the day, you're deeply mistaken. Yeah, I really... It's the best and worst thing all at the same time, right? It's created a market in which you can truly do what you want to do in a gym and create a vibe and do it. I just think the bad part is that it attracts a lot of people, so they think it's easy because there's a lot of gems. And what people don't realize is that when someone walks in, it needs to be so rad.

That's hard for people to do because I don't know if they really get what that even means. And they don't have enough money now. In my opinion now, what you did in PB is no longer replicable anymore because if you open a gem where the ceiling's falling apart and everything's just, you know, I mean. It was like a plumber show up and build your piping for pull-up bars. Yeah, you can't. That stuff doesn't exist anymore. And I get so upset because people are like, what should I do with my gym?

I'm like, why are you not looking at SoulCycle? Why are you not looking at SoulCycle? Why are you not looking at Orange Theory? Like, have you ever been to an Orange Theory in your whole life where they just had, like, two rowers and two fucking treadmills and, like, two floor exercises? Because that's what they do. They have a three-piece system, and they fluctuate these people. And classes sell out because there's 10 at each station,

so you can have 30 people max. And they're not going to, like, start with two and be like, oh, we only have six people. And then as we grow, we're going to grow more. I'm like, no. If you have that mentality on your cross gym already, you are fucked. You need to come out hot and have a facility that people are ready to walk in and be like, okay, I can spend $200 here. And I don't think that...

I mean, you didn't used to, but now you have to 100%. There has to be a real business. I don't even think you should own anything anymore. It's brick and mortar. I think I mean you didn't used to but now you have to 100% like there has to be a real business I don't even think you should own anything anymore it's brick and mortar

I think you should have everything should be digital space now I just built a gym in my garage PRX Performance just sent me a gym and all I could think

was like if I wanted to I would have like 5 to 10 if I was to open a gym today I would find one squat rack, make the gym super dope, and it would just be a studio.

And trainers could come in and rent. So I basically made my money and then we'd be running online businesses. Because you can coach and make things entertaining. That's the thing that people want so badly is just to be entertained. Dude, the gym that I go to right now is the exact opposite of the gym that i opened nobody in there is interested in competing nobody in there is snatching 225 and it smashes because everybody walks in and they're all friends it's good coaching they like hanging out with each other. And it just is like this family fucking vibe. Yep.

And they just do well. Yeah. It's like a great thing for them. But they're not forcing competition down people's throats like we used to do. They're not going and playing other people's games. It's like when you walk in there, they want it to feel like a legitimate family of friends, and that's all they care about. And I think it should be like that, in my opinion.

I mean, I've hired my first manager, and she's all about getting all the coaches to go to this competition and this and that. And I'm like, listen, those days are gone. I wrote that on my post with that squat photo the other day. I was like, every time I used to go compete, I was fighting for the chance for people to know who i was you can go win a competition right now and i don't think anyone's gonna give a flying fuck yeah unless i mean unless you win the crossfit game that's on such a big scale now yeah but you can't i mean no one no one cares who's winning

competitions even nowadays even a even a sanctional is like yeah i don't know what that does for you anymore who i couldn't even tell you who's cool and cross i don't even know anymore either um but would you when i mean we talk about like finding that deep purpose do you think that it's possible to do that without just getting absolutely demolished early in your career i think i had to i just have to go through that i had to destroy myself for sure yeah that's that's kind of like... But I would have anyway. I would have done it for free. Yeah. I would have done it for nothing.

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and the guy and the first thing I said was, did I win? Yeah. And like, I literally, I went to actual,

I literally fucking killed myself. Yeah. And I was like down for it. And I remember being like two minutes ahead of everybody. I knew I could have

chilled out, but I wanted to beat Rich Froning's time on the workout. And he was indoor and I was outdoor. So it was hot as fuck and I literally wanted to rub it in his face and I did. chilled out. But I wanted to beat Rich Froning's time on the workout. And he was indoor and I was outdoor. So it was hot as fuck. And I literally wanted to rub it in his face.

And I did. I won. I had blisters all over my feet from that workout because it was like a billion degrees on the pavement. Yeah. I remember that. That was so gnarly. It was so gnarly. And then I still won the workout.

And I smoked everybody. And I remember just literally like right after my last push press just being like and just like fell over they pulled me out and then i was on adrian bosman or something the tank no that was the neck oh i don't know if adrian was there or not whoever yeah maybe it was castro it was the old guy my judge was that old guy ron um he's like in his 70s and he was a master's athlete badass dude i forget his last name right now but um yeah he pulled he pulled me off and then i was with the oxygen tanks thank god it was the last event of the day so i came back and still smashed i got fourth that year that was my first year

being one spot outside of the games and the next year was when i freaked out because i had trained so hard and i knew i was gonna go and then um yeah that didn't happen. Then things happened. But, yeah, I can't agree more than the fact, like even bringing Justin back into this, like I think everything happens for a reason. I don't think he was really meant to be in the space. I'll never forget just being part of his gym and just not feeling the passion from him in the gym.

I could tell his passion was somewhere else. You know that as soon as you walk into a place, right? You were my favorite coach of all time when I went into your gym. I was like, wow, the energy he has is awesome. And you don't really know it exists until you see it. So you can't get better unless you see someone better, right? So I thought I was a good coach, but I didn't realize how much energy you could bring,

and you had more energy. So then it naturally makes sense that you talk for a living now yeah you know how much does it bother you when i mean this this to me is something that we used to talk to the coaches about all the time is like you can't just be a good coach i need you to be an entertainer i need you to understand what why people are actually here and there's nothing worse to me that when i like go take a class and the teacher or the coach goes over to the whiteboard it's like okay we have five inch worms and we have to and they're like whoa whoa whoa settle down nobody came here for the warm-up yeah i need you getting people laughing i need to know what they did today i need you making fun of somebody i need you building people up i need to i call it like

the three-minute conversation you should have everybody locked in in the first three minutes and not even it shouldn't even be about working out like we should have like something like a checklist of getting people laughing we should get people connected to you. We should get high fives going. Like something. But if you walk in, it's like, oh, I need three rounds of the inchworms. And then like push-ups. Like, I'm out. I can't do it.

Anybody who gives me a structured warm-up in general, I already have lost all respect for the owner, the class, the gym, the whole thing. That's, yeah. And then it's one of my biggest pet peeves. I actually have a saved thing in my notepad right now on my phone, and it's super long. And whenever anyone asks me about a warm-up, I copy it, paste it, and send it to them.

And it's like this long rant about how everyone should have their own warm-up. Every coach at every gym and every class in that gym should be a different warm-up. I mean, I have people in noon that I would never give the same warm-up to at 4 p.m. Because noon is like all these older guys, they work at banks and shit. They're there for lunch. The warm-up is just different. The 4 p.m. is like all these young guys that just got off of work. They're ready to party.

It's a different warm-up. It's a different conversation. It's different music. It's different fucking different jokes. I mean, it's way more warm up and like it's a different conversation it's different music it's different fucking different jokes like I mean it's way more aggressive at four

I'm talking about totally super sexual things noon is more like witty jokes you know it's like the whole thing is different

9am is all women you know what I mean not purposely it just happens to work that way drop their kids off at school they go straight to the gym so it's like if you don't understand that

and you're asking me about a fucking warm up like fire that person now and actually at gym. So it's like, if you don't understand that, and you're asking me about a fucking warm-up, like, fire that person now. And actually, at the end of that thing, it says, if you don't know any of this, you should be fired. That's actually what it says. Like, you should be fired. The person that's working that's asking this should be fired.

Like, anyone who's reading this right now who doesn't understand this should be fired. I want you to screenshot that and make that your next Instagram post. Yeah. I should. I should. There's so many little things that I do that I don't realize are such a big deal. I totally,

that is, we can go back to even the beginning, like that is something that's very inspirational to me when you talk to people that are super dialed in and have thought about

all the little pieces. Tiny things. Because those are the, that's the vibe. I've already picked up little things since we've been talking about little,

like about why these people can be better. I'm like, you see it so much, right? And know like it uh it's uh when someone reaches out and asks you a question and they're like well i'm doing this and i'm doing this and you're like cool like it's not interesting it's not exciting you haven't really thought it through um and maybe you don't own a business but like maybe a comparison or drawing parallels and like somebody's like, I'm eating great and I'm doing this workout plan and it's so great, but I'm not getting the results. It's like, well, what are you doing the other 23 hours of every second of the day?

Like that's why Rich Froning is who he is. And that's why Matt Frazier is who he is. Like it's the people you keep around you. You know, there's just so many different layers of it and when you own a business you have to think about the second that person walks in the door how do they feel how do you talk to them how do you how do you connect with them like that is the thing that if i'm really like actually good at anything it's just connecting with people and making them feel good as soon as they hang out that's one of my favorite things about the podcast is I'm always constantly...

I want people on my podcast that I genuinely want to hear from. If I have a podcast by myself, if you guys have ever heard me talk about anything solo, it's because I didn't personally have anybody cool enough that I wanted to talk to. Dude, we're going to... I still haven't done one podcast that wasn't in person yet for me personally. Oh, totally. I've had 106 with you guys on Shrug Collective, and I haven't done one that wasn't in person. That's awesome.

So if I don't have a connection with a person, I'd rather just be by myself. Totally. I – man, what was I about to say? Talking about – we were talking about – well, first off, i had done them all in person and then if i don't have anyone interesting to talk to i'll talk about yeah so uh one thing that i this is the first time i've even said this on in any public fashion um one of our goals was shrugged like i love when you do your shows like i love them the solo one solo huh and they're hard to do i've actually been like 15 20 minutes in sometimes and I've restarted because I'll fuck up.

Here's why they're hard is because you have to go deep. Yeah. You can't stay surface, and you have to get the flow. Because when you turn the mic on and you're doing that, it's like, oh, man. Did you listen to that one about my dad and all the things that I was doing without even having ever met him. And it was like, that was my thing. Oh, no, I haven't heard that one. It's really gnarly.

I listened to the one. You did like two in a row that were back-to-back, but I didn't hear that one. The hard work beats talent. It's probably my all-time best one. Yeah. Smashed. And it was solo. Yeah.

The freaking DMs light up. So me personally, i have been interviewing people which is phenomenal but the thing that i struggle with the most when i'm interviewing somebody is that you're not getting me coaching or me talking about the thing that like i'm actually really good at i want to hear so much about joe rogan yeah but you never get to hear it because he's interviewing everybody because yeah and he doesn't actually go on people's shows unless there's fight friends or hear so much about Joe Rogan. Yeah. But you never get to hear it because he's interviewing everybody. It pisses me off. And he doesn't actually go on people's shows unless they're fight friends or something like that.

Then they're just high and doing their thing. But like that dude's knowledge is insane. And I want like Doug has written training programs for thousands and thousands of people. Like I've written training programs for thousands and thousands of people like i've written training programs for thousands and thousands of people successful gyms selling gyms at like doing very well at selling businesses that you've built and like there's a there's a knowledge base that when i'm asking questions and trying to learn from people that i i want to just jump in and be like oh that's a dope story let me tell you my five minute piece to that exact thing but like when you're interviewing somebody, it's hard to... I think it's hilarious when someone messages you and you're like,

why aren't you letting them speak? I'm like, well, why are you listening to me then? You can go listen to anybody right now, but you listen to me because you like me. So if I say something about my story, can you please go fuck yourself? Yeah, that's... Next year,

we've been just hanging out at Mash's place. Mash is like one of those dudes that's just been in it forever. He's also probably one of my favorite people to just be around because he's just so smart about training. And his vibe is cool. He's got the twinkle. Yeah, just a dude that likes being in the gym, makes everybody happy. Yep.

But we've been spending a lot of time at his house just recording coaching shows of us talking about what we like talking about being in the gym um and getting back to that because here's an interesting thing like it's so easy to have a podcast now it's not easy to do them in person like we do them but it's so easy to have a podcast and like are you turning down people's podcasts when they contact you 100 you do all the time i don't yeah i do i take them and i'm like yeah let's do it if i can't do them in person i turn it down or if there's not enough about the person that i'm interested in yeah because like i don't want to have to do research to talk to them i want to already have questions built up there

i'm like i actually just feel like i owe it to some person somewhere that i just want to already have questions built up. That's baller. I actually just feel like I owe it to some person somewhere that I just want to, like, I don't know. I enjoy just connecting with people, and I'm like, it's an hour. Let's go. Sometimes I'll tell them I'll only do it if we go two hours. And then, like, double. I'm like, dude, we're going to talk forever. Like, we could go four. I'm only giving you two.

But, yeah, like, I end up always doing everyone else's show. But it's just, it's also like if you can bring a couple people to what you're doing, even if it's a really small show, like the long-term value of having somebody learning from you and being on your programs and doing all that stuff is insane. So I just want, I want to be less interviewer and more contributor to what we do round table style yeah and if you get three people in a room like the show that we did in sweden that was so fun right that was really fun i'd be down i want to do that again yeah it's just your training bros did that show do pretty well smashed yeah everybody. Yeah. Everybody listens. It's so great because everybody's laughing. You don't have that serious vibe of like, we've got to do this thing.

So we're going to do a lot more of pure just the dudes. Okay. It's going to be a little bit different just because you see so many people starting podcasts. And if you email Brett Contreras, he's going to do your show. If you email me, I'll do your show. So the special thing becomes actually having the host reconnect and be a part of the big conversation versus just interviewing people. I don't really want to be known as an interviewer.

I want to be a real contributor to strength and conditioning. Yeah, that's definitely something to think about because there is so many people doing it. And it's so easy now. Have you seen this new app called Anchor? Yeah. Where you can just blast out all of your shit everywhere. I'm like, oh, that's fucking super.

You can just call your friend and have a podcast. Yeah, that's pretty convenient. It's wild and it's pretty good quality. Yeah, it's fucking pretty gangster. Yeah, you can put a backdrop to it. Easy. And the whole thing just loads and it goes right to iTunes. Are they public yet?

Can I put money in them? Dude, what was it? Gimlet just sold for like all the money. What's that? What's Gimlet? Gimlet.

It was a podcast network or something. Because I saw on Larry King, Gary Vee was on Larry King and he talked about Anchor and I was like, oh! Yeah.

And I downloaded it immediately. Yeah, I downloaded it too and just like started calling people. Interesting. And you can use it for that you could just call your friends and like the coolest conversations that you have on the phone or like on a road trip can turn into your podcast which i like actually thought about doing and then it was just riding in cars with anders and drinking coffee right have you seen these it's with jerry seinfeld he's like riding in cars with comedians. You watch that.

It's all time. Do you do stand-up comedy? Like, do you watch it? I actually really want to do my own stand-up. I have so many funny things to talk about. All right. I did three minutes. Up on stage?

Yeah. Did you crash? I was, so I only, I made it like two and a half minutes. The first minute I was so nervous and I had like everything memorized and I was like, and then like reciting it in my head and then I forgot everything. Fuck. And then I was just up there and then I smashed. Oh, good.

Because I already hit rock bottom. I was done. I bombed and I still had a minute and a rock bottom. I was done. I bombed. And I still had a minute and a half left. And I was like, let's roll. Wait, what was the first minute and a half then? Just rambling? Oh, man.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't know. So at the time, I was dating a girl and she was Jewish. And there was just like funny things that like I would go to her parents house and because I have no idea about any religion that I would like say something dumb in front of them or like not I'd be like laughing when they'd be doing the prayers because it's in like Shabbat yeah it's too much it is or whatever it is

like I don't know what I don't even know what the words are now I sound like such an idiot but like they'd be doing it and I'd just be like so like i had like jokes written and then i forgot them all and then i was just up there and then i crushed because it was like i'm just talking now like let's roll um but i actually think about next time we're on the road we're gonna go do an open mic night somewhere like in new york if i was here last night i would just go do open mic i'm super down for that i I feel like it would be the best way to get –

And I want the footage on that. Yeah, all the people together. We could get a whole bunch of people. Doug and I talk about it. I'm like, dude, I would love to do it. I'm so much more confident on a microphone now, and I have so many more things that I would like to just get up and talk for three to five minutes about

and just enjoy the night of an open mic, and all of our friends can be there. We would smash. I would really like that a lot. Yeah. I'd be super in for that and actually mike vacanti i did a podcast with him and he was like dude you really should get like and he couldn't even talk on the whole podcast i don't know i don't know what i just kept coming out with some stuff and he's like you really should do like a comedic episode i was like oh yeah i mean i would feel like i have a costco bit that's like so ready oh Oh, that's good. About the chickens.

Dude. This is so rad. So I actually asked a cashier last weekend. I was at Costco. I said, how many chickens go through this place each day? Take a guess. Regular Costco. We're not talking biggest Costco in the world.

Just regular Costco. How many rotisserie chickens get sold a day? I've been in the kitchen and seen them cooking them and stuff. 1,800? 5,000. Roughly 5 in 1,000 a day. We're not even talking about eggs. We're not talking about the chicken breasts where there's thousands of the chicken.

One Costco. One Costco in Cary, North Carolina. You're talking about rotisserie chickens or the ones that you buy? The ones that are cold that you buy. You go cook them yourself. No, the ones that they cook. The rotisseries. The rotisserie that you reach your hand in and rip the breast off,

wrap the skin around, and eat like a burrito. Oh, okay, little breasts. No, the rotisserie chicken. The whole chicken. The whole chicken. Okay, so 5,000 whole chickens. Just like you buy at the grocery store, but at the Costco,

5,000 a day is what the cashier told me. Wow. And I was just like, where the fuck are all these chickens at? That doesn't make sense. How?

I don't get it. I've never gotten it. I've never understood it. How? Yeah. How do that many chickens exist? And that's just one Costco. I went to a place last night

at literally 12.30 last night, past midnight, late. Yeah. And I was on my walk home because we did the dinner for all the athletes. And on my walk home, I stopped in this place, and they had a salad bar with just, like, shit tons of meat. And it was just all, like, dead because it was past midnight. So they're going to throw all of that away. That's one place in New York City. How do they even get food in here?

What I don't understand is like... There's like a billion people living in this little tiny space, and there's no farms here. Yeah. How do they get food? I don't understand any of it because that means that there's that many other places that are throwing away that much food, and then there's that many more Costcos that are throwing that many chickens.

So it means there's like hundreds of Costcos that are throwing that many chickens. So it means there's, like, hundreds of thousands of chickens a day. Yeah, I don't get it. It doesn't even, like, how do you even fill the rack of eggs? I think that there has to be cloning going on that we don't know about. Oh, there's frightening stuff somewhere.

Yeah. I don't even know. That's why I don't give a fuck anymore about the quality stuff. Everyone's always worried about this quality and quality and quality, and I'm like, yeah, but, like, I don't even know. That's why I don't give a fuck anymore about the quality stuff. Everyone's always worried about this quality and quality and quality, and I'm like, yeah, but, like, I don't know anymore. You're going to find out that, you know, someone fucking paid for that to be fine and blah, blah, blah, blah.

So it's like, please just eat what makes you happy. And then, like, I mean, not literally. Don't eat pizza all day. You're never going to look good. But, like, you know, I wouldn't worry about grass fed to the 10th power and fucking an egg that got fucking rubbed by Jesus' hand every day to make sure that the bird came out with fucking perfect hair. What does organic even really mean?

I don't know. The standards of that become so low. When you see organic cotton candy and you're like, huh? How? They're just selling people. Yeah. I remember, I'll never forget

the first time I heard organic. I was in college. I was in Hawaii and someone told me that organic stuff was more healthy. I swear to God on my life,

I'm embarrassed to even say it, I went to my first organic grocery store and I was like, oh, organic Oreos. Dope. I swear to God, I can't even forget it.

And I went home and I ate my organic oreos like a motherfucker and i was like this is fucking cool it's fun it's all day long yeah i did that i did that with the paleo thing right it's like you can get as many paleo brownies as you'd like in your life yeah i'm just gonna get an iv of pineapple into my vein and it's gonna be fine i'm never gonna get fat because it's paleo. I'm going to be totally fine. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't work. But, yeah, when I found out that number and then, like, I love walking through Costco because we have an enormous amount of resources. Like, imagine if we were in, like, some sort of scenario in which one person was allowed to own the Costco and all the food in it,

there would be like a war in the aisles of like, this is all mine. I own all the trail mix. Like I own 75,000 pounds of trail mix over in this corner, and I'm going to protect it. And you're not allowed to have any of it. Yeah, we can trade, but that's it. Yeah, but there's so many resources that we all are just walking in these beautiful aisles with our awesome shopping carts, and no one bothers anybody. And there's so many chickens.

Like the best possible protein you can put in your body, and there's 5,000 of them you can choose from in a day. And no one even worries about it. Yeah. Where is it coming from? How terrifying is that truck of all the chickens smashed into a little cage? You think they're living a nice life? No, not at all. It's terrifying, right? In the middle of some

CAFO, just chickens in their own shit all day long, and you're like, oh, protein. Great. It's fucking disgusting. I have 5,000. I about lost it when he told me. Well, here's where it gets really interesting. So now everyone's like, alright, I'm just going to be vegan. Oh! Okay, so you're going to try to tell me.

I would love to talk to you. Did you listen to the Rogan? I haven't listened to it yet. It's good. It's good. Is Lane Norton on there? Was he the one? Because Lane Norton's article was pretty all time.

So Lane's super, super smart. And I haven't read his whole article, just pieces of it, because it's 10,000 words. Yeah, I haven't finished it yet either. But I picked up the little nuggets from each section to see why he debunked it. And it's pretty good. The dude does a really good job of defending veganism. But the thing is, there's nothing wrong with being vegan. If you do it the right way and you're supplementing the right way, sure.

I just don't think vegetables are any better than meat these days and i understand that the meat community is ruining the vegetables i mean there's people that are so mad right now i fucking hate ryan i can't believe he's saying that but it's like you got to understand like in the current moment like unless we all stop eating meat and then we start getting better soil and all this stuff the vegetables that you're eating are still not much better than me jerking off and fucking eating my own semen. I don't. Which actually might debatably be better.

Could be. A lot of back squats in those. Ryan's back squat semen for $5.99. 5,000 downloads. I'd buy it. 5,000 vials, sorry, at Costco per day. I've always wanted to jerk off that much, so please buy it. Yeah, that'd be good. If you get paid to off that much, so please buy it. Yeah, that'd be good.

If you get paid to go that much, it'd be rad. Yeah. Yeah, dude, I just don't, at some point, I have, like, given up on the fact that, like, there's a right way to do anything in a way. Like, I think people, and we still get questions. I'm sure you get tons of questions i get tons of questions like so what's like the best way to do x and you go well like i don't know there's a billion ways to do x and the majority of it is like i'd like to be a little

leaner i'd like to be a little stronger and i'd in the end like to get laid more all right well every question now has to be outlined now like people can't just ask like that's what i've learned about podcasting and being a trainer. Everything I've learned in my life, you can't just ask me a question. It's got to be a detailed question. I feel bad when someone will ask me a question like, how do I get jacked? And I don't know how to answer. I delete it.

I don't know how to. Those are the only ones I delete. I don't know how. I feel more insecure having a basic conversation about fitness because understanding the nuance is so cumbersome at times of like, how do I lose weight? Well, you got to understand maintenance calories. What are you eating? What are you sleeping? I mean, there's got to be these people you never know what the fuck's going on.

Yeah. They're shift workers who don't eat and this or that. Their mom just died, and now they're worried about their fitness. There's crazy parameters. But they just ask, how do I lose weight? And it's like, uh. Yeah. It could be as simple as drinking water.

There is a piece of the basics will never go away, right? You have to understand calories in, calories out. You have to understand what maintenance calories are so that you can be around them every day and then make sure you're getting enough protein so your body can survive make sure you're getting the right fats so your body can survive carbohydrates are very very flexible you don't actually like actually need them um if you do high intensity or strength training you should probably get some of them around your workout and then after that people like really want to know the exact answer to the thing and if you haven't started there and put a good two years into like mastering just those basics

but it's like when people ask me i love it because it's you're so close to home and people are like, are you doing carb cycling? It's like, sure. I don't know. I mean, I think what fish is doing is badass. Like, it's a really great system for getting in shape and losing weight and being healthy, but I don't know if I'm doing it. Like, I probably cycle my carbohydrates around my workouts. Most people do. You know? But it's all these years later of trying to simplify the process.

Yeah, we're all just trying to figure out what's maintainable for us. Yeah. That's really what every diet is. Is it maintainable for you? Yeah, and so like that,

that becomes the interesting thing in business. I try to create, I try to create life. That's why I call all my challenges lifestyles. Yeah. I try to change your life totally. Yeah.

I'm not trying to make you do a 30-day thing. And I encourage everybody. People don't know this, but if you ever give me a photo 60 or 90 days down the line and you've made a significant change, I give you your money back. Beautiful. I love that. Yeah, and I'll post them on my gram. Yeah. I feel like that's like the interesting thing to me now in fitness. You talk to, and we can wrap this whole thing and circle back, but it's like what's the overall message of talking to the best in the world

for multiple years every single week and smashing weekends where you're just only around high performers is like they dominate the basics, but then they really carve a tiny little path that they loved. And I feel like that's where I'm at. I feel like that's where you're at. I feel like the people that are really in this industry, like you start out and you're like fitness. And then you go, whoa, that's big. Yeah. I'm going to need to get a little bit better. Some people go nutrition. And then when they're inside nutrition, they're like, whoa, that's big. And then they go paleo and they're like, whoa, that's big. And then they go keto

or they go vegan or they go there's it's all these little paths. And then they go paleo. And they're like, whoa, that's big. And then they go keto or they go vegan or they go, it's all these little paths. And then you just have to keep narrowing it down to the thing that you want and are most interested to do. Yeah. The money comes in the niche. Yeah. Everyone thinks that the niche is where you want to stay away from and you

want to go broad. Yeah. But the niche is where you make the dough. I don't know where you're at in this. I'd love to hear your opinion, actually. But, like, when I think about what I was really drawn to in CrossFit or what I was really drawn to in coaching, I really find fitness to be super boring

because I feel like it's so obvious and everybody actually knows the answer, but I'm not a motivational speaker to get you to take the first step. I want to find you after you've been fit and you want to become stronger so like that is my own little angle like i want to make the super total cool because i don't really want to talk about like fitness i want to meet you if you're already fit if you already if i i don't want to have another conversation about like in the power clean get it to your hips, elbows high. Like, I'm not that guy anymore.

That was, like, five, six, seven years ago of my career. And now I just want to coach people that already understand these basics. You have to move on or mentally you die. So. Phil Knight, fucking shoe dog. If you're not growing, you're dying. Beautiful. Straight up.

Like, I mean, if you aren't making changes in your own life, it's fucked. He always was at equity zero in his company for forever. Yeah. He would double his income every year, but still equity zero. Yeah. And he would always try to learn new things, try to hire new people, and try to do different things, and that's what really kept him going, and it still keeps him going. He's worth $38.8 billion.

Woo! Quick fact, there's 2,604 billionaires in the world right now, whereas when you and I were kids, it was like four. That's wild. 2,604 billionaires would it be? So there's that many people right now making profound effects that you don't even know about because you probably only know out of the 2,604, you probably only know about four of them. Yeah.

That you can say offhand. One of them trying to put people on Mars. Yeah. That's the weirdest one. Is that Elon? I think so. I don't even know if he's a billionaire. You know what I'm going to do?

I'm going to make a hole under the ground because we can't build up. It doesn't make sense. But I would say that's like the biggest takeaway for all of it, right? It's like everybody that's making it has – I didn't even interview him, but it was really, really cool. Dude, there's so many things we could talk about. I was going to say, yeah, like what are some of the other really cool. The cool, one of the coolest conversations that I really wish I could have. I don't even know if he'd be cool with me asking the real questions that I want to ask him.

But Kelly Starrett, we're like overnight. There's something about talking to him where you're just like, he's the, he's like one of the top five people that I've ever talked to where I was like, whoa, this guy knows a lot. And the whole world stole his shit. Yeah. Stole it. It went from not existing to a 10-minute squat program. All of it.

Yeah, mobility WOD. Or no, ROM WOD is like basically what Kelly Starrett was trying to create. That. And that guy makes millions. What's the GoWod? GoWod. They do. Everybody that touches a lacrosse ball and bands and uses distraction and wraps their knees up to loosen up connective tissue.

It's all Kelly Starrett. It's all him. And the whole world stole it. Yeah, that's crazy. And everybody claimed it. It was so obvious how much he revolutionized an entire industry of physical therapy that everyone stole it. Like, what does that feel like when everyone steals your shit? You didn't ask him?

I didn't. I didn't have the, I just, I ran into him in Tahoe. And I was just like, I don't even know if you're, like, capable of answering these without, like, going to jail. I think he's doing well enough now where he just doesn't care. But, like, yeah, I totally agree. You have to care. Yeah. This is his whole life.

Yeah. This is his whole life that he put it on the internet. It was like, hey, I'm working on this thing over here, and it's rad, and I'm getting crazy good results. And everybody was like, I'm stealing it. Yep. Oh, you put a little crossball here. And you're like, I'm stealing it. Yep. Oh, you put a little cross ball here. And you're like, that's his. Yeah.

Like, you're straight up jacked it. Yeah, once I learned about it. It became common knowledge to everybody. And then now there's like 50 different companies doing all of this shit. That is crazy to think about. But I don't even know how you even put a trademark on that type of stuff. People would have figured out something. Oh, yeah, you can't. You just revolutionized an industry, and it became, you became, like, the only,

I don't even know what he could have done. I just want to know how he feels about that scenario because it's terrifying he might not even look at it that way you never know i look at it hardcore that way for sure i i like he's insane to talk to though he's like one of the coolest just dominates conversation and the way that he talks and it's very quick too it's like when he has something to say that's like a profound statement that some of the words would have taken me a couple seconds i'd be like like, like, I know the word, but it's like, and you find it. But he just, like, rolls with it. It's like, boom.

Yeah. He's a powerhouse, dude. Yeah, crushes. And he's done so many different things. Like, he's an adventure junkie, too. He does, like, all these cool, like, paddle trips and rafting. He's a monster, dude. I mean, yeah, he does crazy shit, yeah.

And he squats five bills. I mean, he's strong. Savage. Yeah, he looks like Mr. Potato Head. He's one of my favorite, favorite people. I just, I really, those, there's a couple of things like that where I'm just like, man, that guy was so far ahead of his time and so good at it and so good at delivering that message.

And then, like, it just became like everyone has a lacrosse ball. And I just wish he invented lacrosse balls maybe. Right on. Just so there was a thing. Do you feel like that about him at all? No. No? Cool. Whenever I see, like, when someone skipped the ball on something, I'm like, he just, he wasn't, he didn't have the business sense for it, you know? Like, win some, you lose some, I guess. Like, I mean, there's tons of things that i i'll never forget when i first started really getting into emom training and i just thought emom training was

like the i thought i was gonna have to open an every minute on the minute gym and i like genuinely thought that was the way to go because it made scaling easy i was like all right we're all gonna do this workout it's gonna be every minute on the minute yeah advanced is gonna do seven reps you know medium is gonna do five and i was like this is gonna be so easy to coach jesus fucking christ this is great you know like advanced 20 calories on a rower in a minute and 15 and 12. And I was like, wow, this is going to be so awesome. Everyone's going to love it. And I was like, I'm going to trademark it.

And I went to go trademark it. And Jason Kleba already had it. I was like, you motherfucker. I love that. And then I was like, you know what? He's smarter. At the time, he was smarter than me. And I was like, touche.

Yeah. And I wasn't even mad. I was like, you know what? Right on. I'm going to make my own shit. Guess what happened? I had seen a robot. I was like, boom. right on i'm gonna make my own shit guess what happened i had seen a robot boom yeah and then i made my you know what i mean so like i think you can you can you can you can change and you can you can go around situations you just gotta throw a little juke move in there yeah oh i kelly's definitely doing okay i i just

when you know and you've seen somebody's career and you know that they were the person. Yeah. Like, I very rarely know the person on a relatively personal level who invented it. Like, if all of a sudden, like, 75 trainers on Instagram were like, I'm doing a high-intensity interval bodybuilding. I'd be like, no, no, no, you're not, dude. I know the guy. I know when he invented that. Dude, so there's a guy in Mexico. He took one of my books, put it all in Spanish, changed the photos to his photos,

made it yellow and white instead of orange and white. And it was all the exact same. All the exact same thing. But he also was a gym owner in Mexico. And he, like, is selling it on his page, my book, and just changed everything. And someone sent it to me. And I was like, I had never been so angry, and I was like, what do I do? What do I do?

What do I do? What do I do? And my first thought was, and I went on an online app, and I saw how much money it was to fly there and go meet the man because it wasn't far. It was somewhere in Mexico that was relatively close because I live in California. And I was like, all right, before I go there and take it this far i'm gonna send him a little message yeah so i instead of writing it i sent him an actual video message on the gram yeah so when he went to his

dms he saw me talking and i was like yo listen i know what you're doing i can see it you're the address of your gym is on your profile i already screenshotted it you can't take it down i will fucking kill you. There's been two official death threats out of place. Oh, fuck. I didn't even think about that. I have threatened to kill two people now. God damn it.

But I really did say that. I was like, I will fucking kill you if you don't stop all of this. I was like, and if... We're interrupting all the people with the big microphones. Oh, really? Really? Oh, jeez. Jordan just looked over and all the people with the big microphone. Really? Really? Oh, geez. Jordan just looked over and was like, shut the fuck up.

And I just said, I'll fucking kill you. Jesus Christ. Oh my God. I'm so embarrassed. All right. So anyway, I said, I will fucking kill you if, um, you know, you don't take this down. And if I find out you made any money, I want like all of it. Like, so then he wrote, he wrote me a message back and he's like, dude, I'm so sorry.

And blah, blah, blah, blah. But it wasn't even a video. It was just a voice. Yeah. Well,

this is an interesting one. Cause I wrote, I wrote a 20 rep back squat program. We're in the middle of like this giant panel guys. So bad right now. I'm actually, uh, so I just wrote the 20 rep back squat program that happened 30 years ago.

And I've been running it on my own as my own program and for our gym for 10 plus years. At what point is it not the original and it becomes your own? It sounds like the Bible. What's that? It sounds like the Bible. I know, right? Well, it's been really interesting because I truly believe that what the original program was, nobody's buying that book for a reason because it's, it's outdated. It's old. It does the whole CrossFit functional fitness world like happened and nobody

redid it. Nobody's ever put it out. Like you run it in your gym in a completely different way than the original thing. And you, if you put it in your gym in the original, no one would do it. Yeah.

They'd be like, well, this is stupid. Even once a week is rough. And the original is twice, twice. And it's only, um, it's like strict deadlift, 20-hour back squat, power clean. Something like that.

It's not even those. And it's just, that's it. There's nothing else. And now we're all self-conscious about what we're talking about. We were just dropping F-bombs and talking about killing people, and there's people writing notes over there um but after thousands of people have like gone through what brian and i wrote back in the day and now people are doing online i feel like i own not the 20 rep back squat world but it's like the next version of it and the ability to actually meet the community where it's at now but there's

like these these people that see the words they're like that's this like do people start doing this in the 30s yeah all the books that you've read are all based off of shit that happened 100 years ago it's just part of it well before i do want to wrap this up pretty soon is there any um other podcasts that you would like to bring in that you're very, very excited about? Like guests? Yeah, just something where like... People that have podcasts.

If you had to stop podcasting today, these are like the things that you remember the most. Besides, so we had some of those other moments. Yeah. What else stands out to you that you're like, man, that was really, really cool? The amount. I had one if it gives you inspiration yeah it was um the bio

hacking guy the primal hacker oh yeah or whatever he doesn't have a big following or anything but he just had like an insane amount of knowledge on biohacking yeah and like all the things he was doing just blew me away like he had magnets under his bed and he had like red lights and yeah i know that guy he would go and work out outside. Whether any of it was right or wrong, I was like, damn, that was a gnarly podcast. I'll never forget stuff like that. I think the show that the people, the audience, and Chris Henshaw for me was rad for one specific moment that happened so early in the show that it just set like a – it bonded him and I on a super deep level. And then the next 90 minutes just smashed.

So he was talking about when he starts working with like Rich and Matt and all these people. And I was talking to him because he's a triathlete. And I was like, CrossFitters suck in the water. How do you make them better? Because when you're a triathlete, they say 3, 2, 1, go. And everyone's out there basically punching each other as they're swimming to the buoy off the bat. And that's what happens at CrossFit.

And then people feel like they're about to die and all this stuff. And he was like well i do this initial workout with them as soon as i get it where i tell them like to get in the pool and then they go to the bottom and i have them swim all the way down to the other end underwater and then they get to breathe and rest a little bit and then they come back and i was like oh i do that workout i was like i didn't know anybody else in the world did that like i i've just i practiced that workout all the time I go emom 20 yards for 500 yards and I just like and there was like a depth to the way that he said it of like and the way that I felt about the workout of like

it took me a really long time to think about like training in that modality of like getting in the water doing a bunch of like not breathing and working out being underwater and as soon as we had that moment where he said like that's his first workout for rich and matt and tia when he's working with them to like get them comfortable in the water and i was like oh i know exactly what you're talking about yeah it was like my training experience and his training experience and the thing that we were both chasing was the exact same. And it just set like the next hour and change just off so well. That's super cool.

Um, cause I super respect that dude's brain. He's like way out there. I was like really stoked to talk to him about why the best in the world call him. Yeah. He is so rad. Yeah.

He's solid for sure. Um, those are pretty good. Yeah yeah henshaw galpin i wish i talked to galpin more it was easier when we were in socal um bergeron that's a pretty good pretty good what about mike boyle i thought you liked mike boyle's i do like boyle um boyle but he says a lot of stuff that a lot of other strength coaches said. Well, here's the thing about Boyle is, like, Boyle has been in the game so long. Like, much longer than all of the CrossFit people. I remember reading his stuff when I was in college. The joint-by-joint system has, like, revolutionized everything. He wrote that book.

You can't argue with anything in it and he works with great cook he works with he he's similar to opt to me a little bit yeah like they and he does a really good job you want to know if i was to really break down the interview of like one takeaway that was like really cool was he was talking about getting older and he was like, I still feel like I have so much that I need to learn. He's like, but I know I'm running out of time. He was like very aware that he was 65 years old. And he's like, I'm already alive like 10 years longer than my brothers and sisters. And he's like, I don't know what I have left, but I still have to go keep.

And I feel like that's what the best in the world do. They just keep digging this thing. Yeah. It's like Louie Simmons. I feel like his story is so cool. Keeps going and going and going. And like, you just hit this awesome point where like everybody knows I'm the best.

And they're like, yeah, but I got so much more to go. And then walking through Boyle's place was epic. So we had, point where like everybody knows i'm the best and they're like yeah but i got so much more to go and then walking through boyle's place was epic so we had we walked in and there was just like kid classes everywhere and kids are sprinting kids are doing kettlebells kids kids are goblet squatting and i was just like man this is so legit that you can like actually break this thing down and have all these kids in here and

then you have adult classes and you've got nhl players and you've got olympians and they're all doing this system that boyle created yeah that's cool that is the thing that's so rad to me and when you create your own system your own thing it's documented in the joint by joint system like all of that like high intensity bodybuilding. That's like you're at a stage in your life where you did enough work that you documented this thing that exists and then you put it on paper

and it's there forever. You have like a library of your life. Yeah, it's pretty cool for sure. Best experience, I'm going to go with it's got to be when we went to fucking Sweden. For sure. Yeah, 100%. That was really, really dope.

Not even close. For those of you who don't know, we all went out to Sweden and made our own barbells. And like, although the podcast, like there was nothing super special about the podcast. There's a lot of cool CEOs out there that have dope companies. Yeah. But it was the treatment that we got and the things we got to do and just the unreal community that we felt was pretty intense. Yeah. That was really cool. Colton's building on a documentary right now yeah that's really rad i want to go up on stage and apologize to them for talking about killing people

this is the second time this happened right when we were in paleo fx they put us on like a big mic a big speaker and the very first thing so aaron alexander started talking about like going in a cave filled with like rubber dicks and it was like blasting and like Rob Wolf was speaking like five feet away from us behind a curtain and like the whole crew came running after us. We're like, what? They were like, the keynote is right there. And the rubber dicks.

Jesus. Jordan's not somebody I want to make mad either. No, I think he's got. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Debbie Cohen may be madder. That would be bad too. She's the strongest girl in the world. Jesus. Jordan's not somebody I want to make mad either. No, I feel like he's got – Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Teppy Cohen may be madder. That would be a bad too.

She's the strongest girl in the world. Jesus. All right. Yeah. All right. We got to go. All right, ladies and gentlemen, this is the last podcast of New York and NYC Strong, and these are the highlights of Anders Varner's career on The Shrugged.

Maybe not every single one. I put them on the spot a little bit, but you guys got some good insight in there, and I will see you guys next week. If you guys love the show, and I know that you will, make sure that you tag myself, Ryan Fish, and Anders Varner, and Shrugged Collective. And I'll see you next week.