Barbell Shrugged - 57- Interview w/ 4-Time CrossFit Games Athlete Shana Alverson

Episode Date: April 24, 2013

 On this episode of the Barbell Shrugged podcast the crew is joined by 4-time CrossFit Games athlete Shana Alverson to talk about..... ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.  Sometimes our podcast goes off the rails, and this one went off the planet.  Lots of cursing and crude humor in this one, be warned!

This week on Barbell Shrugged, we have four-time games athlete Shana Alverson, and we do a NC-17 version of ourselves, and we have a bunch of potty mouth and swearing. So if you were offended by that, skip this episode. I repeat, skip this episode. If you like really foul humor, you will love this episode. So keep listening. Again, if you have

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Nobody could see it. I had a muffin top around my horn. Welcome to Barbell Shrug. I'm Mike Bledsoe. I'm here with Doug Larson, Chris Moore. We've already done a show. And our guest, Shayna Alverson. Hey!

Yeah, we already did the show. While we were setting up the microphones and everything, the show was done. And you missed out on tons of great content. We're going to try and repeat everything we said, but make it look natural. It's not going to happen. It's not going to look natural. We're going to try and repeat everything we said, but make it look natural. It's not going to happen. It's not going to look natural. We're like, shut up. Stop telling stories.

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And this podcast is brought to you by Maximum Mobility. Where Doug Larson teaches you how to mobilize, be safe, get stronger, faster, all that. Did you practice that in the mirror last night? That sounded like a real, like, a real infomercial plug. More agile, like a jungle cat. I just came off a vacation and I'm drinking bulletproof coffee so I'm top of my game

right now. You're sitting in a zen pose so this is very fascinating. Yeah, you do seem very calm. All of his chakras

are open right now and all the energy is coming right out of his mouth. You know where the chakra begins, right? Your root chakra.

I'm familiar. It begins at the asshole. Your first chakra is down at the asshole your first chakra is down down at the asshole and then it's the last one's up here yeah I read that I read it in a book

Buddha quoted that right one must start with your asshole I'm pretty sure Buddha used the term anal sphincter if we could get that Sanskrit term

the Sanskrit anal sphincter. I'm taking us back on track. On track is boring. What are we talking about? Talk about Buddha's asshole. Hashtag. This is going to be the fun episode.

Everyone that saw the episode that she was on last time is like, yeah, this all makes sense. We're doing this again. That's right. Okay, listen. What's the common factor here? What's the common factor for getting derailed? Hashtag booze asshole. She's even more powerful at this than me.

She's way worse than you. She's like, you're going to have to straighten up, Chris. You're going to have to bounce us out. What is it saying about this world and this show where I've got to be the responsible one? We have flipped on our head. You have been taking us back on track a lot more lately.

Now we've got Shane in the mix. We are going to talk about the grind of being an athlete over time. You will learn something here. Soon. We've all been training for a long time and competing for a long time. You want to go around the room and say years here? In dog years, how old are you?

Sure. In dog years or training years, 16 years now. Wait, is this just how long have you been working out or how long have you been training to like competition? I'd say an athlete. Let's do like real training. When did you start doing – You had a purpose in a purpose in mind right some type of like legit weight lifting oh like strength training 15 yeah yeah yeah so it's been 16 years you're 31 31 i figured that out my head old wow man all right i started when i was when i was 14 oh you had to one up me but

i'm only 29 duck has the advantage of actually having had somebody who knew what the fuck they were doing teaching him how to lift, which is so extraordinary. I was super lucky. When I say I started when I was 14, I started doing cleans and snatches. With a good strength coach. And 20-rep squats and all that when I was 14. So I've been doing more similar to CrossFit than a lot of people. I was very lucky to start super young with that stuff.

You're rare. You're like a chupacabra. Like a weightlifting chupacabra. I was leg pressing in Doc Martens when I was 14. And I did gymnastics before that when I was still single digits. See, we were just talking about this. Me and Mike were like, if we have kids, we're going to get them in gymnastics and weightlifting immediately.

Yeah. And they're like... Not you and I having kids. We have kids separately with other immediately. Yeah. When they're like... Not you and I having kids. Yeah. When we have kids separately with other people. Exactly. When Ashley has your babies. When Ashley has your babies.

When you guys have that baby, you say it to Ashley. Jonathan has my babies. Gymnastics. Ashley's so pissed watching this right now. She'll never know. Because CTP will edit this out like he always does. Yeah, every time you're like, CTP will edit this out. And as soon as you say that statement, nothing happens.

Never happens. I'll say mine because I think we could lead into one of the most fascinating things I've ever seen, which is that picture on your phone of you before you started training. Yeah. that picture on your phone of you before you started training yeah but i i had to i got so started when i was about how old are you when you're like in fifth or sixth grade what is that i don't know 10 or 11 yeah so i think i started like training in some way when i was like 11 or so 12 yeah uh but you know lord it was just flex magazine stuff i guess i didn't really start thinking about going in a direction until you you know, maybe like eighth grade.

I was like, oh, I've got to get good at football, so I should get stronger. See, that's been like 20, low 20 years for me now. Yeah. So the difference in all of you guys and me, and I think probably for most women, is that if you are a girl and you start working out, it's not because you're necessarily athletic. It's because you want to lose weight almost 100% of the time.

It's going to be aesthetically motivated, at least in the beginning. Regardless of age? Okay, so I was like 11 or 12 probably, and my parents sat me down, and they were like, hey. Hey, chubby. You've got some weight to lose hey you're fat all right they said you're fat yeah i mean yeah and they were like just like that they were like we want you to lose some weight so my dad they were concerned and then they were like what we're

gonna do is we're gonna pay you we want you to lose 20, what we're going to do is we're going to pay you. We want you to lose 20 pounds. And we're going to give you $10 for every pound that you lose. That's $200. Sounds healthy. Incentivizing. Sounds healthy as shit. Parents, do not do this to your children. Well, by then you just start eating like paper.

I mean, they meant well. They were trying to help. Right. But it did not help. Killing your internal motivation. Well, what it did was send me on a lifelong search for how do I get skinnier? How do I get thinner? Sabotage the next 10 years of your life, right?

It didn't really help out my self-esteem all that much. I will say that. But I don't think I would be where I am today if I hadn't had that motivation. My dad... Looking back, as a kid you want to be accepted. You want to make your parents proud of you. And what I heard was I need to be a different person

so that my parents will love and accept me. And so I just tried to give them what they wanted. And I did. I joined the gym when I was 15. Shayna, it's not that we don't love you. It's just that if you don't get skinny, well, you'll be worth nothing in the world. It's just that if you don't get skinny, well, you'll be worth nothing in the world. It's just we'd like you much better if you were 20 pounds lighter.

It's just that we would love you more if you were attractive. I love you, Mom, if you're listening, because she did listen to the last two podcasts. Well, listen, they were doing their best. It was like the 80s. No one understood. No one heard the word paleo before, Shana.

Come on. Now I'm that old. Now it was the 80s. That's how old I am. No, it actually was the 80s. I'm just kidding. I was fat with you in the 80s. My dad told me, I got home from school,

and I ate my traditional plate of saltine crackers, each with a covering of American cheese melted in the microwave. It was like a whole sleeve, a goddamn sleeve of saltine crackers with processed American cheese for our New Zealand friends. I'm sure you have some version of fake cheese down there, too. It was just a plate of cheese and crackers. I would eat the whole thing. But after one particular session, I said to my dad, I think this is. By session, do you mean eating crackers? Session of eating crackers.

Yes, cracker session. Just for clarification. He didn't have meals. Not meals, sessions. I somehow communicated my displeasure with myself to my dad. I don't know if I'm going in the right direction kind of vibe I was sending him. I think maybe I'm fat, which was fat and he told me which i was i said dad you do you think i'm some way i communicate hey do you think i'm fat he came to this long pause and said

my dad wasn't country but it seems like country voice uh well it depends if you can take your clothes off in front of a mirror and be happy then you're all. And he looked at me as if, I bet you're pretty fat in front of a mirror with your clothes on. So that's how I was like, I gotcha. I think I'm fat. Well, that was a little more subtle. It was subtle. He played it cool, you know. He's like, I'm not going to call you fat. That's not good parenting

necessarily. What do you think? What do you think about you? Kind of like, if there's a question, there's no question kind of thing like a philosophical approach that's like asking are you happy with yourself i think it's a better question it's a socratic method of calling your son fat that's right wait so okay so you were a little chubby and then you went and started working out and that was the first time that you ever had tried working out before yeah so and what

were you doing uh well i joined this gym and i don't know what the fuck to do with the gym so i just asked the trainer that's there and of course he's got the the zuba pants and you know he could barely print pants he could barely walk but he's like oh you should probably get on that treadmill and go and go and go for a while and that's all i really knew what to do and i got bored with that so i was like hey how do you use those machines over there? So I was using the weight machines, even though I had no idea what I was doing. But he gave me this little card to fill out and I had a little folder to keep it in when I went to the gym.

And so I would get my mom to drive me to the gym when I was 15 and fill out my little card. I've written you an advanced training program. Do machines 1 through 10, three sets of 15 on everything until the end of fucking time. Pretty much. And when you're done, walk on that treadmill until you're not fat anymore.

Pretty much. But, yeah. So that started off my exercise. And then I actually... Did you lose any weight from that? I did, but I don't think it was necessarily from the gym part of it. No, we got to communicate.

I changed what I ate. So my mom was like, well, you have to eat salads, and that's pretty much it. Just eat salad to lose weight. Eat this leaf. That's all you get. That's what I did. You're a bunny rabbit from now on. What was your top weight, Shannon?

Because this picture you've got on your cell phone of you and your prime, if prime's the right way of saying it, what did you weigh in that picture? Well, I was – first of all, I want to start off by saying I'm 5'3", of you and your prime, if prime's the right way of saying it. What did you weigh in that picture? Well, I was, first of all, I want to start off by saying I'm 5'3 and 3 quarters. The exact precision kiss. In that photo, I was 175-ish. Pounds? Yes. That's only, you were only 175 in that picture?

Yeah. Kilos. Yeah, but I'm 5'3. I'm 5'3 and 3 quarters. Let's say, I mean, you look great now, but in this period of time, you had like a little, I was like, you were fat, right? I was in college in that photo, so that's a little bit later. But when my parents sat me down, now I was 11, 12 years old probably, and I think I was 140-something pounds.

Well, that's young to be having that conversation with your kid yeah it's prickly but yeah and it I mean weight is so when people say weight they don't mean weight really they mean how lean are you and how how tight are your clothes fitting you know what size can you get into so weight is such a well size is a big thing with girls too right just getting it doesn't matter what you weigh if you can get into? So weight is such a... Size is a big thing with girls too, right? It doesn't matter what you weigh. If you can get into a size something, that's like... In the other, the skinny photo, I was like a zero or a two. Wait, just for a second. For all the people that are watching this right now going,

who the fuck is this girl? Why is she even here? And they don't know who you are. Give us a little bit about your CrossFit background. All the Shane Alverson barbell shrugged episodes. Seriously, where they have to watched the games every year? So you're a multiple times games athlete. Yep.

I've been to the CrossFit games four times. Shana's legit, bro. Also, CrossFit gym owner. So we're about to have our fifth anniversary on CrossFit East Decatur in Atlanta. Yeah. Yay, five years. Pretty awesome. Happy birthday to us.

Happy birthday to me, bitch. That's right. It ctp's birthday it's his birthday party here at chris's place in a few hours we're starting the party right now you didn't know but you didn't know you're all part of i got tequila shots in the other room so that that makes extraordinary because you went from being you were very large and struggling with it and then i guess we'll tell this middle your transition point but you've gotten to the point where now where you're I mean you're at the top of the game so to speak so the point is when my parents sat me down at that very young age that started me on this kind of mission to figure out how do I make my body look like what I want it to look like

because I wasn't at that time really concerned with athletic performance. And to be quite honest, when I joined the track team in high school, which I competed as a freshman, sophomore, and a junior, and I got a job when I was a senior, so I didn't really feel like doing it anymore. But I went to state track those three years in a row. I sprinted the 100-meter hurdles and was first in the region every year and then kind of crapped out when I got to the state level because I had no idea what I was doing.

But I joined the track team because I wanted to lose weight. I thought, I'll be running around the track all the time at practice and I'll have to do it and I'll lose weight. Is that common? Yes, it is very common in women. And I'll tell you something else. What else are you going to do? They're not going to necessarily

admit that to you but well of course not that is a huge motivation you want to join the track team you want to do a sport it's because it's going to force you to be active i'll tell you this i have never trained because i want to get laid i'll tell you that never never that's never been my motivation wait a minute are you that that's a joke right yes okay that's probably been the majority of my motivation but i would actually commend that decision because that's really kind of a bold move to make when you're a team like i'm gonna lose weight i'm gonna come i'm gonna join the fucking track team i like that you took the unicorn by the horn well in my sport

I mean I started showing horses When I was like 8 or 9 years old Which I still don't understand what the fuck that means You cover their eyes And then you put things in front of them And then you go See That's it

That's how you show A flower pot A car Yeah A bale of hay What do you think horse I competed in horse shows. That's better.

From age eight through age 18. What would you show the horses? I'm still confused. Your wife showed shit, and I still don't get it either. Pictures of things. Shapes. Sometimes like a Rorschach test. Could the horses recognize the Mona Lisa?

Do you see a butterfly or two fingers? All this horse sees is goddamn hay all the time. What's going on? This horse is stupid. Hay and nuggets. I don't understand. It wants to eat everything. All right.

We just lost like 500 viewers in the last 10 minutes. Doug's over here. He's like trying really hard to not roll his eyes. We'll put a disclaimer. There'll be a disclaimer on this episode. There should be. Again, everyone that saw your last episode is totally not shocked right now. You've got two powerful derailers in one circle.

You've got 50% derail. He's not the derailer anymore. It's these guys. Sorry. Me? I'm sorry. He's been really good lately. I've been better, man.

I'll be good. Kind of coming off the rails on this one. Doug has another question. Where are we going? Prove me wrong. Here you go. Shit. Okay, so.

Say something else about Buddha's asshole. So you went from being a chubby kid, and then you eventually found CrossFit, and how did that happen? Okay. Well, I probably should back up a little bit because i started teaching exercise when i was 19 i was an aerobics instructor at gold's gym cool yeah um did you have the socks and everything or the knee warmer leg warmers so they're called it was the 90s by this time she's wearing flannel torn flannel to do her job like leotards and, you know, the silly leg warmer socks.

Oh, I don't know. I saw it on a Google image search one time. You just need me to paint a picture for you? Yeah, no, so I taught aerobics at Gold's Gym when I was 19. And then shortly after that, you know, I did fluctuate in weight a lot. So my weight would go up, it would go down, it would go up, it would go down, depending on what I was doing at the time how motivated I was because I would try these different fitness things and get really bored with it and stop exercising and so in my head

it was working out equals losing weight which now I know that isn't the whole story. How come? But people would ask me questions how did you lose the weight? How did you lose the weight? And I found myself giving advice to so many people about how did I lose weight that it seemed natural for me to get my personal trainer certification. So I got certified to be a personal trainer somewhere around 22, 23, somewhere in there. I was playing music for a living at the time and just kind of did it on the side as a hobby. Most of the time I didn't even charge any money for it.

I was just still really interested in fitness and wanted to know more about it. So I didn't find CrossFit until I had played music for a living for a while, got burnout, decided to shift careers. When I first got into college, I was a pre-vet major because I thought I was going to be a veterinarian. So I had vet tech experience. So I thought, well, I'm not playing music to make a living anymore. I'll go do vet tech stuff. I'll go be a vet tech. So expressing dog glands for a living. Pretty much expressing anal glands. Good times picking up dog poop. It's actually a very interesting job and I probably would have continued to do it but what I figured out was it

was a dead-end job I could either be head vet tech one day one day you know I could be head vet tech I could go back to college that takes everywhere one day I'm gonna have my own shit scoop right become a veterinarian which I just wasn't really willing to jump through the hoops of going to school because it just I'm that is not my personality so I thought I should change my career I know a lot about this exercise thing I'm gonna go down the street here and get a job as a personal trainer and so I got hired as a personal trainer at Planet Fitness I don't know if you all know anything about Planet Fitness sure is that the one that has the it is a terrible horrible alarm yes, awful... The Lunk Alarm? Yes. The Lunk Alarm.

They have the Lunk Alarm. Oh, that one. Okay. Explain it. Explain it. So, the Lunk Alarm at Planet Fitness is like this big... It's like a police light mounted on the wall that when they flip a switch behind the desk, the light spins and a siren goes off.

And then whoever is doing the offensive behavior in the gym so like a complaint scenario like making loud noises with the weights like clanking like wait yelling or grunting is not allowed having a having a gallon size water jug i agree with that i couldn't wear boots or jeans into the gym. You couldn't do anything that was, like, legitimate working out. You could just, like, walk on the treadmill quietly. If you even have a goatee in there. I remember one day. You're getting the alarm pulled on you.

I remember one day. No bald heads. This lady was on the treadmill. She had her earphones on, and she was listening to gospel music, and she was singing along to the gospel music, but nobody else could hear what was in her ears and shut up you lunk bitch and my boss went over there and yelled at her and i was just like oh god that was out there anyway i'm blaming you i'm blaming shana for that

she's bringing the bad chris back out all i'm doing is telling the story here this is turning into the joe rogan show all of a sudden they didn't have 45 pound plates there yeah i mean they had real weight are you allowed to use them kind of as long as you put them on the side so you worked at planet fitness i worked at planet fitness and while i was there i discovered crossfit online so i was trying to bother paying me i was surfing the internet searching for other things to do so i was trying to do while they were paying me I was surfing the internet searching for other things to do so I was trying to do crossfit type stuff with my personal training clients

and I had to take them out back behind the building in the parking lot to do burpees, box jumps kettle swings, stuff like that they wouldn't let me do that inside the gym with these people, they were like if you want to do it, you got to go out there.

So no one else can see you because we don't allow that. Did anybody ever make progress at anything in this gym? You're not allowed to jump. No, it's not a gym. It's not a gym. Come into the gym and just have a seat. Just sit down. Yeah, they shouldn't call it a gym.

It's like a place to feel good about having a gym membership. Spa? They're selling gym memberships, you know? It's like, hey, if you want to feel okay about being fat and tell people you're trying hard no you can tell them you're a gym member somewhere congratulations having worked there what i know is that they they count on selling thousands of gym memberships that nobody is ever going to use and no one will ever cancel because the pot the cost is so low it's or $20 a month depending on where the location is. It's a brilliant business model.

It really is because they know that only 3% of the population is actually motivated enough to come into the gym and use the membership, and the cost is low enough that people don't cancel. So they're just raking in cash for nothing. Isn't canceling a big pain in the ass too? You've got to send a certified letter to some other person. You can't go into the gym. I don't remember.

I have no idea if that's true or not. Someone told me that at one point. That sounds even more brilliant. There are some gyms like that. You have to send it to billing, and then you have to send it to management as well. Whatever. It's crazy. You're just like, I would do that, but it sounds like whatever.

What you do is you just disclose that in the fine print of the thing they're so excited to sign on the front side of it. They're all excited to get in shape and be thin. They don't even pay attention to all those clauses. You got them on the hook. I don't remember what the cancellation process was. You haven't canceled yet? She's still paying for Planet Fitness. Shit.

Ten years later, nine bucks a month. What a brilliant physicist. No, so I finally quit that job because I found a gym in Decatur that was doing CrossFit or almost CrossFit and got hired there. And while I was working there, they became a CrossFit affiliate. So shortly after I was hired there, I was fired from there because I've been fired from pretty much every job I've ever had. I did get fired from Planet Fitness, actually. I can't say that I left. But just. You're like the opposite.

Other people are like, I'm so proud I've never been fired. And you're like, I have been fired from every job. Well, see what happened was. See what happened was. That's how lies start. Ain't nobody got time for no job. Well, apparently your superiors don't take too kindly to you telling them to fuck off. Hey, listen, boss, I got something to say.

And you told every superior from every job you ever had? Pretty much. Yeah. I mean, it happened a lot. Because here's the problem. It was probably them. It wasn't you. It definitely was them.

No, no, no. I admit I don't make a good employee because I know I don't like being told what to do. It wasn't you. It definitely was them. No, no, no. I admit I don't make a good employee because I know I don't like being told what to do. I don't like being micromanaged. You sound familiar to me. Some people call you two jerks or assholes. I'd say you're entrepreneurs. We are very similar. But it makes me a good coach because I like to be the bossy pants that tells you what to do.

So I'm a good coach and decent manager of wrap yourself an american flag and soar off like an eagle you're the prototypical capitalist american yeah so i make no apologies for the fact that i don't make a good employee i'm just not and now i know that about myself so i'm not trying to get hired as an employee anywhere but so that's how i found crossfit when i got fired from my crossfit job i already had started the process of opening my own affiliate. That was in 2008. We opened in June of 2008. So I've owned a CrossFit gym ever since.

And that brings us to today. We did it. We closed that loop. Sorry, Doug. The longest intro ever. We told you we'd tell you about Shana We told you about Shana I do want to cover one thing that we didn't cover

Maybe I'm cutting you off too early One thing we didn't cover? Did we cover anything yet? Sorry, what were you going to say? Nothing, I was waiting for you to So you were vegetarian at one point Yes I was I want to cover that real quick

So Well you know, I just, I was always reading books and trying to educate myself on how, I was never really happy with how I looked. So I was always trying to find a better way to lose weight, lose weight, lose weight, because I wanted to be skinny. Well, so I read this one book that talked about how much there are hormones in the meat that you eat. And I also, you know, pre-veterinary medicine is what I started out in college. I wanted to be a vet.

I love animals. So it seemed natural. Stop eating animals. So I was a vegetarian for seven years thinking that that would make me skinny. And it wasn't the vegetarianism so much that made me skinny but the fact that i went through a period of time where i severely restricted the calories that i ate so i was like 1200 calories a day counted everything i ate wrote it down measured it to like within an ounce but that's so but we were looking at a picture earlier And you said I was a vegetarian then

And your physique was just Not great You had little skinny arms And bottom Skinny arms, no ass So you did the vegetarian switch And you got to this point that was a lot thinner Did you feel better?

No, I felt like shit At the time I was training i've heard i've heard people explain why vegetarian vegetarianism sort of gets you a little bit because you go from eating like cheeseburgers and milkshakes three times a day to being a vegan and yeah you do feel better because you're just poisoning yourself nobody goes from paleo to vegan and goes i feel amazing they always go from like they go from mcdonald's to vegan and feel great you know i was totally trying to be healthier. I was trying to do the right thing.

Before I became a vegetarian, I was always doing the low-fat diet because that was the trend at the time. It was kind of like the last low-carb trend had gone down and the low-fat trend was going up, and everything was low-fat, but it was all horrible sugar. And when you first shift over from eating whatever the fuck you want to now i'm eating low fat you will lose a little bit of weight because most time your calories go down but it ultimately is going to end up doing some type of

metabolic damage to your is your so you're not really training and your your your carbs are a little high and your protein and fat's non-existent so you're hormonally you're not really training and your carbs are a little high and your protein and fat is non-existent. So hormonally, you're not really doing anything favorable. Actually, I had some conversations with some friends this past weekend. And they were kind of surprised. What, when you were at Coachella? Yes. Don't tell people I was there.

Oh, God. You were there doing bad things. I was having a good time. So they were really surprised when they were asking how – me and a couple other guys were into fitness, but we're into training, and they were asking, like, what should I eat? Is this good? Is this bad? And this guy is sedentary, and he's asking, hey, should I eat less meat

because I'm sedentary? I need less protein. And I was kind of like, well, it's actually the opposite. You probably need to eat a higher amount of protein and fat, because if you're not training, your carbohydrates are just going to cause you to put on fat mass. And so normally, like, if the higher your training volume is going, the more carbs you need to throw into your diet.

And, you know, if you're being sedentary, you really don't need very many carbs at all. And so a lot of people are really surprised to hear that because they associate meat with putting on weight. That's a conventional misconception. That almost sounded like real advice. Good job. It was worth it to watch this show. Yeah, no, well, that's a conventional.

I had to sneak it in. That's a conventional misconception, though, and that's what I didn't know at the time. I didn't know that because I was a vegetarian and getting low-quality protein and most of the time too many carbs and not enough fat, I didn't know that that was going to mess me up. And so at the time I was taking martial arts, I had no energy and was like, I would spar for 30 seconds and then just about pass out because I had. You've been in a CrossFit Games four times, but back in the day when you were eating vegetarian,

you could barely spar for 30 seconds. Huffing and puffing doing kata. Yeah, well... Huffing and puffing what? Huffing and puffing doing kata. You know all those shit... It's the little forms that martial artists do. All this shit they do. What do they do, Doug? You had to do kata, didn't you? I did kata.

And they turn and go like this. Killing machines. I'm going to block your punch with my fist back here. I believe in... I'm sorry the block kicks like that. In Korean it's called pooms. Pooms. Yeah.

Pooms. Pooms. Poems. Pooms. We are doing pooms. Poetry. That's what this is. Really? This is not poetry.

Well, so when I started CrossFit, I was still a vegetarian. Oh. And I started eating the paleo diet when I made the decision to train for the 2009 CrossFit Games. So in the fall of 2008, I started eating paleo. I would only eat certain types of meat because I still couldn't. That's early on in the fad. I couldn't quite bring myself to eat cows and chickens and pigs. Because they were still too, like.

God, you're missing all the best things. Those are the best ones. Screw the chickens. Cows and pigs. Yeah, screw chickens. I won't eat it. I ate fish. I ate buffalo.

I ate ostrich. I would eat all very. You're a and pigs. Yeah, screw chickens. I won't eat it. I would eat fish. I ate buffalo. I ate ostrich. I would eat all very... You're a weirdo. Yeah, well... Because I thought my idea at the time was that those animals have had at least a little bit of a chance to live somewhat of a normal life before they're killed for... How'd you determine that? That was my idea at the time. This was years ago.

No one tortures chickens. I didn't eat chickens then. Oh, ostriches. Oh, ostriches. Okay. Ostriches. You said chicken, didn't you? I said I didn't eat beef.

Oh, you didn't. Okay. I wouldn't eat beef, chicken, or pigs because it was too conventional. Too readily available. Too conventional, yeah. Well, so when I started eating paleo diet, I started putting on muscle, started performing better in the gym. And when you put on muscle, you looked better, right?

I think I looked better. Oh, good. There might be people out there who think I looked better in size zero with the skinny fat arms, but I don't really give a fuck. If they don't like it, they don't have to follow me on Twitter. Yeah. At Shayna Alverson. Follow me.

At Shayna Alverson. I like it. Let's take a break. We wore Doug out already. Yeah, Doug is stressed out right now. When we come back, we'll talk about something. Who knows? Hey, guys, this is Rich Vroning, and you're listening to Barbell Shrugged.

For the video version, go to fitter.tv. We're back. Shana's now hosting the show. What are we going to talk about, Shayna? We're talking about CrossFit. Always. Yeah, so we're talking about the grind of training. No, we weren't.

Right? She was doing so good. No, I mean, people are going to be like, you guys weren't fucking talking about that. You mean we're going to talk about it? We're going to talk about it. You can't fool the people. So look, let Chris draw this thing into focus.

Yeah, oh, that's a great idea. The Savior. Bring us back home, brother. Not the first time I've been called that. We're not talking about, never mind. This should be good. When someone says, oh, God, in the bedroom, they're not talking about Detail So This should be good When someone says Oh God in the bedroom

They're not necessarily Yeah So Sorry You were fat And you got unfat But you're a vegetarian weirdo Then it came back around

The paleo And your ascension And your ascension To the Yeah And your ascension To the pinnacle of CrossFit for a long stretch now.

You've been at the top of your game for some time. You're very fit. You're muscular and your unicorn is proud and erect. I'm muscular. Here's the thing, though. Here's the thing. Our producer is not really doing a good job.

We'll let him off the hook because it's his birthday. CTP is bored. Keep your conversation down. He's taking phone calls during the show. So, yeah, but you've been for like four years, five years now, you've been hustling really hard to stay at the top. So one thing that interests me a lot is that people expect that you just take this upward trajectory and you just

fucking keep it until you die, basically. I will always love this. I will always push 100%. I will always make progress on all these stupid wads and my life is going to be perfect now until the end until it's not anymore. You start getting kind of... You can't last forever at grinding all the time. Right. Well, I've told a few people

I did qualify for regionals this year but I actually thought maybe I won't compete. And they're like, what? Oh, my God, what do you mean? You have to go. Unicorn Nation got so bummed. They did. I know.

They really did. That's a lot of pressure. You were telling me the other day, like, it kind of looks glamorous to be a CrossFit athlete. Competing at the games. Go tell that story. Yeah, so I think people on the outside watching the crossfit games they look at it and they're like oh these people they want to be these people they look good they're doing crossfit all day long they're getting free stuff from reebok and it looks glamorous they they probably are thinking what

a great life you have that you get to do crossFit all the time. When in reality, it is, it's fucking hard. It's not always fun. A lot of times, you know, on a daily basis in the gym, I'm working out alone or with a single training partner because he's the only one willing to day after day meet me and do all the shit that I'm doing. And never for pleasure. It's, you know, it's not the same CrossFit that it was four years ago for sure.

When, you know, in 2009 training, it was like I was just doing the classes like everyone else with a little extra work here and there. And that was pretty fun. But part of that too is the competition's gotten more competitive. So you have to train harder and the volume of the games has gone way up. Yeah. So now you have to train with more volume. Yeah. And you got to sleep

more you're training more like classic sports training looks which is more like classic periodization instead of like what people who are cross-fitting recreationally or for health and fitness it doesn't look like what they're doing they're coming in doing a wad a day they're like yeah i just crushed everybody on the whiteboard there's a difference between exercise and training yeah it's it's it's hard and it wears you down and mentally it's hard physically it's hard you know your body's tired and sore you got to go in the gym work out by yourself again you're like you're around for four years in a row yeah it's a lot of work and it's not glamorous was it mcgordick was sitting there holding his bloody shin a few years ago saying this shit's so stupid.

If you want to be healthy, don't do this. He was like in a very dark moment in the regionals. That's like what Lauren used to say about weightlifting. It was like, weightlifting is healthy unless you compete in it. Yeah, that's true. People don't understand that, I talk about this in the book.

In your new book that's coming out soon. I saw the manuscript today. Yeah, it exists. But yeah, people- Ooh, you have a manuscript so at some point if you start oh it sounds very real paper I'm gonna I'm gonna proofread it tonight with a glass tequila and a British accent yeah do a reading I'm gonna read like reading I'm gonna read it to myself in my head as if it was a British guy but here's the thing like you start on this chase, chasing after this competition

thing, hungrily going after it to be the best you can be. And then once you get... Hungrily. Once you get... This is not a Snickers commercial. Once you get halfway into the journey where it's too far to go back, then you start realizing that you're sort of in it and you've got to keep it up. And the momentum

sort of starts carrying you along. And then before you know it, you wake up and you realize that this thing you're after it takes a whole lot more from you than it than it gives to you that's when you got to start thinking about what you're doing and whether whether your position now is is is better if you if you start helping other people maybe took some focus off yourself that's that that's a natural cycle of things once you start feeling that it's nothing bad it's just the natural flow of things not everybody can stay like even even rich will will not be able to keep this up day where you're like i'm not gonna do this anymore and no matter when that moment comes it's gonna be a hard decision to make but while you're still in it once you if you make the

decision to stay in it you have to understand it is your entire life. If you really want to be competitive, you don't get to go out drinking with your friends on the weekends. You don't get to eat a bunch of crappy food. And when you go on vacation, you have to make sure you bring your lifting shoes and that there's a gym nearby. And when you get sick and take a couple of weeks off, you have to understand you're not going to be able to just be sick and relax. You're going to be stressed out that you're not in the gym training. And sometimes you get sick in the middle of the open and you place really badly and that's not very motivating.

But it doesn't. Sends our coach text messages. Yeah. Oh, my God. I'm sorry. I'm not going to compete ever again. Yes, you are. Okay.

And the significant other in your life, you know, has to take up the slack where you don't have the energy to do the laundry or do the dishes and they do them for you because you're so exhausted you can barely hold up a little scrubby thing. I want these excuses. My girlfriend, fucking CrossFit Games competitor, doesn't have the energy to do the dishes. How convenient for her.

She thinks she's in shape. Six-pack my ass. Oh, yeah, and that's another thing you said earlier about if you're training to go to the CrossFit games, you're not training for health anymore. You're going past

the point of health into the extreme of like, what can you put your body through that it's going to tolerate before it breaks down or rebels in some sort of way. Healthy recreational things are what can you put your body through that it's going to tolerate before it breaks down? Healthy recreational things are sustainable. And doing two and a half wads a day and trying to sleep 10 hours to recover from the massive damage and having everything on your life put on hold for the sake of being able to keep that up for a little while is not what makes a balanced human being.

So what are some things that you've, your training volume's gone up over the last four years. What are some things that you've had to implement that allow you to recover and do more volume and stuff like that? Well, in the past, I was doing a fuck shit ton of mobility, like insane amounts of mobility. Can we buy that url

somehow fuck shit fuck shit ton.com that's available shana alberson's tips for recovery i got that from diamond dave's judy tomp and judy chump and nojo the snatch video i have no idea what you're talking about yes you do you've seen seen it. Mike's seen it. It's awesome. Diamond David Lee Roth? No, Diamond Dave's Judy Chompadojo. What is that? Today we have snatches. It's a YouTube video of... We have to show it to him. Was it 12 point?

It was last year. Last year's snatch. The snatch ladder video. Is it spoof? No, it was just a guy making... It's a video of someone doing the workout. It's a video of the WOD. It's a video of the WOD doing terrible snatches.

And the commentary in the background is hilarious. The kind of video where people that don't do CrossFit judge all CrossFitters on. Exactly. No, even if you do CrossFit, you're going to be judging these people. The one guy had paper towels wrapped around the bar. He's like, what you're going to want to do is get you some paper towels. Yeah, it's good. He's snatching.

Was this intentional? I think they ran out of chalk, so they needed paper towels. Oh, sweet lord. Yeah. Because what you want to do when you don't have chalk is use paper towels. Just snatch. Get yourself your cooking gloves out of the kitchen Wear those

So you did a bunch of mobility Yeah, fuck shit ton of mobility That takes a lot of time Well, as all fuck shit tons do Massages, I have a massage guy that I've been working with For a very long time Take fish oil You know, eat healthy

Don't drink Healthy is paleo for you what um yeah what about sleep have you had to like get more rest or anything like that yeah i try to get at least eight hours a night if i can get more than that it's good but a lot of times when the sun comes up i wake up and i can't stay asleep so but i probably stay up too late doing work on the computer. You black out your curtains or wear an eye mask or anything? I should, but no, I don't. You don't do that?

No. Gotta do that. I know. That's Doug's thing. That's his M.O. I wear the eye mask. It's great. You black out your curtains.

I black out my curtains because I tried the eye mask, but it always ends up somewhere else in the bedroom. I swear in the middle of the night, I'm like, nah. I just throw it across the room. Your body rejects it. Stupid shit. Get this off me. I've also been known to wake up with my head at the foot of the bed.

He hops out of his eye mask in the middle of the night. You're a wallower. Yeah, I'll wake up with my feet. I've woken up and have. Like upside down? Yeah, I've woken up with my head at the foot of the bed. What? I've never done that. I used to do that. I've woken up with my head at the foot of the bed. What? I've never done that.

I used to do that. I don't do it no more. My son is like the way... I wake up and he has crawled and is now sleeping on top of my face. He's a wallower for sure. What is it? Oh, it's my kid. Is this my French eye mask or my 18-month-old?

I don't remember it being this heavy when I put it on last night. Yeah, I would say I have a problem with the sunlight thing, but five o'clock in the morning he's screaming, so that's not even a problem. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, so sleep, lots of sleep. You take anything else like ZMA or any magnesium or anything? That I do. I've religiously taken

natural calm for the last couple years and then when I started working with Mike back in December magnesium magnesium citrate it is magnesium it's like well I took unless you get the flavored stuff then it's got something else no I just had the natural stuff but I took the the plain version has magnesium and like vitamin c, but there's a version with calcium for athletes. So it has magnesium, calcium.

It has boron, vitamin D. Boron? Yeah. What the hell? Sounds like you have superpowers. Yeah. Can I wallow in that and get some mutations, favorable mutations? It's possible.

I hate all the ZMA and all that stupid shit. I think if a man needs to sleep. He consumes some real drugs. Get yourself a tall glass of scotch or a half ball of wine. You're going to fucking sleep like a baby. I mean, ZMA, the sleep is like a side effect. People need to take ZMA because they're deficient in zinc and magnesium. That's the whole point.

Well, the magnesium helps you relax. The magnesium helps you relax and sleep better. But I'm not telling people to take ZMA because they have a hard time sleeping. No, no, no. I'm telling them to take ZMA because they need it. You need it so your muscles can relax at night. Yeah, the magnesium helps your muscles relax so you can recover. But usually people are deficient in both of those minerals,

so they need to be taking it. And the best time to take it just happens to be before bed. Yeah. I like to take most also my supplements at night because you don't always know what they're gonna do to your stomach if sometimes you'll take a multi and then you work out and then it's like i've made the mistake of uh overdosing on magnesium before oh yeah well that was that was that i was like if you're ever constipated just take a bunch of magnesium i'm actually i was like i so tired. So I took some magnesium.

I was like, I'm still tired. So I went and took some more magnesium. So I was up for the rest of the night. You had a dream you were swimming in a bathtub. He had the mud butt. I didn't sleep for the rest of the night. Problem solved. So then I made the wise decision

And bought a bottle Of melatonin For those nights When I can't sleep So I've got some of that But I haven't really Tried them

I'm afraid of being groggy You know what Actually If I take melatonin I usually get Yeah I don't really find it Really high quality sleep

And I wake up feeling great But other people I have heard Other people report Feeling groggy Having taken it. So I guess it just depends on the person. How much do you take, Doug?

Melatonin? I've got bottles at home that are like one gram and three gram increments. And so you kind of dial it in to see how much you actually need. I haven't read much on melatonin. The only thing that I can remember reading on melatonin was

they were comparing the five gram and the three gram one. And the people that were taking three gram were seeing better effects. I don't even know how they're measuring the effect but but they're they were saying more is necessarily better three grams is pretty much all you need i think they sell most of them in three milligram and five milligram pills and that's if you can't sleep you take that yeah yeah so if i get in bed and i'm 10 minutes if i'm laying there and 10 minutes later i'm still like you know i don't i don't expect to fall asleep but if I'm laying there and 10 minutes later, I'm still like, you know, I don't expect to fall asleep.

But if I'm like nowhere near falling asleep, then I use a Now brand. And they're just little melatonin lozenges. So I don't need water to swallow them. I just stick it in my mouth and let it go from there. Because I used to have some. I'd have to swallow. Then I'd like get up some water. I usually don't have trouble sleeping.

But occasionally, if like sometimes you lay down, your brain is going a million miles a minute, I'll just read. I'll just get my iPad and read. You go in the bathroom and jerk off real quick and go to bed like a baby. Or that. Why would you get up for that? I would go in the bathroom. Just lean over the side. Sometimes you need to masturbate so you can sleep.

Just lean over the side. It's true. If you can't settle your brain to get your mind off of work or what's going on in the gym or your shitty training session, what is the one thing that will certainly distract you long enough to where you forget about all that shit? On this episode of Barbell Truck. You can't just go masturbate and fall asleep. How does Chris Moore get to sleep at night? Well, no, I mean, it's just more convenient to do it in a bathroom where you can easily dispose of whatever products come out of the process.

He's glad we're talking about sleep right now because he needed a way to bring up masturbation. Assuming your significant other is not really in the mood to sort of facilitate your issues. All right, here's my question. The entrepreneur takes this shit in his own hands. So your wife rolls over and goes to sleep. Do you just masturbate in the bed right next to her?

No, no, no, that's disrespect. Oh, okay. You've done it. Is it really? We're like, what? No. She's like, what? Now I don't need to ask Mike the same question.

I've been messing up. The next morning she's like, Chris, I had this weird dream that I was working in a taffy factory. I heard this slapping noise. I couldn't figure out where it was coming from. I just kept slapping the taffy. Do you know anything? Did you have a similar dream? No, I didn't.

Speaking of plugging your wife, y'all got any plugs? Oh my God. Somehow slipped the word masturbation into me. This episode of Barbershop bought you by something. I don't know. This shouldn't even have an episode number. This should just be like a special edition. Episode X.

Special edition. That's right. Call it episode X. It's going to be the longest CTP cam ever. All right, Doug. I'll let you start. I'll let you start, Doug. I guess we're finishing up.

I don't know what to plug that's relevant to the episode. Just plug something. Nothing is relevant to this episode. Doug, you've got to be like water. You've got to fill the shape of the container you find yourself in. Hey, man, what are you going to do later tonight? I'm going to talk about the six-month muscle gain program that we have going on right now, which is going fantastic, by the way. I've just made them a brand new video on exactly what

to put in your workout drinks and kind of why having workout drinks super beneficial for specifically specifically for them for putting on muscle mass so that's actually going to come out for those guys here in a couple days they don't have it yet but i'm super pumped to give that to those guys if you're interested in trying out the six-month muscle gain program, we'll probably launch a new one here in the next two or three months. So go to the shop, click on the online coaching and click on the six-month muscle gain challenge.

And then it's sold out, but you can put your name and email in the box there and you'll get a free video, actually very similar to the video that I just made. That one that you'll get for free when you sign up for that list to get notified when the next session will start. That video is about how to structure your meals

if you specifically want to eat mostly paleo and put on muscle. Mostly when you're talking about paleo, they're usually referring to general health and how to lose weight and be lean and just kind of be healthy. But if you want to put on muscle mass, then you got to make some very specific adjustments to the paleo diet and um you'll get a free video of me explaining exactly how to do that to put on muscle mass and how to structure your muscles yeah we were gonna we were gonna launch it again in six months but

we had so many people uh going there and dropping their email in there that it's it looks like there's enough interest if we wait that, we'll have too many people. So we're going to have to do it sooner just so we can accommodate everybody. I get an email like every day. How long is it? Someone's saying, I want to be in the program. What do I do? It's a six-month program.

Six months. 26 pounds in 26 days. 26 weeks. 26 pounds in 26 days. 26 pounds in 26 weeks. Sorry. You so screwed that up. Dummy.

Like, supersize me. Hey, if you drink a gallon of goat milk a day, you'll get there. Gross. That's an unnatural animal. What do you got? Oh, me? Oh, yeah. We do need to do that.

Good job, CTP. The contest. Who's still listening? Yeah, if you're still here. Two days from now. It doesn't matter because it'll be over. No, no. The contest goes until Friday.

This will post on Wednesday. Yeah, go ahead. Sorry. We've got another week or so on the contest. Carry on. Carry on. We have two more days for the contest. The coffee, tequila, barbells contest.

All you've got to do is make a video, two minutes or less, and somehow creatively combine coffee, tequila, and barbells, and then post that video to YouTube and tag it and put it on the Facebook wall for Barbell Strugged. The funnier the video is, the more likes it'll get. The most likes wins. Or the sexier. What do you get if you win? That's right.

That's subjective. Whatever you think is going to get likes. What do you get if you win? Sex sales and humor sales. What's the prize if you win? You get a gold pack, which is all three of our seminars. The Faction Foods Nutrition Course, Maximum Mobility, and Simple Strength. So that's like close to $400 worth of value there.

Second place gets just the Mobility Seminar, and third place gets the – excuse me, second place gets Faction Foods Course, and third place gets the Mobility Seminar. So top three videos are going to get some seminars. So you've got two more days to post that video. What's so funny? You're running out of time, so you've got to jump on it if you want to do it. Why is he making faces at me?

All right, Chris, you're up. What do you got to plug? Man, I don't know. Got your new book coming out? I do. Yeah, okay. I'm going to spend this weekend editing together all the nonsense I wrote down. It's going to be good. I'm going to spend this weekend editing together all the nonsense I wrote down. It's going to be good.

I'm going to release it. I think you're going to have options for getting it through iTunes and getting it off Amazon. What's the book about? You mean iBook with videos and stuff? I'm not going to put any video in it. I think it'll just be words and pictures

and it'll be very nice. You'll enjoy it. Who puts videos in books? What the hell? I'm just going to put words in the book. It's probably a good idea yeah yeah uh it's about i'd say it's not a training book even though the context is sort of training and how you progress but it's most like a perspective expansion set of essays like how do

you start learning more about how sounds like you have no idea what's in the collection no if you read this book you'll have a better idea of what you were going to be looking for learning more about how... Sounds like you have no idea what's in the book. Collection of assets. Shut up. No, if you read this book, you'll have a better idea of what you were going to be looking for and you're out of your training. Once he reads his own book, he'll have a better idea of what's in it.

That's what I heard. Dear reader, don't pay any attention to these assholes. Listen to your Uncle Chris. You'll love the book. It's going to be a tremendous value. Your Uncle Chris who masturbates next to his wife in bed at night.

This is what we'll do. Shannon, everybody jerks off, okay? Everybody. It's going to be a tremendous value. Your Uncle Chris who masturbates next to his wife in bed at night. This is what we'll do. Shayna, everybody jerks off, okay? Everybody. Don't even say this. I am not contesting that point. I will read Chris's book, and then I will tell you what's in it. That's the only way. You're going to love it.

I'm not going to plug anything else. That sounds like a plan. No more plugs. No more plugs. I don't believe you. What do you got? You know, if you're in Atlanta, stop by CrossFit East Decatur. Because I might be there.

You might get to see me. If you're lucky. Have you ever seen a unicorn live? I bet you haven't. Not until you go to East Decatur. Is that it? That's all I got. You don't want to promote anything else? Like what? I don't know that it? That's all I got. You don't want to promote anything else?

Like what? I don't know. No. That's all I got. Okay. Just checking. All right. If you didn't enjoy this show, you're probably not listening.

How could they possibly not enjoy? But if you did, go to iTunes. Give us five stars. Write a nice little note about how awesome this discussion was. Write us a handwritten letter saying what you think about us. No, don't do that. I would love to read it. If I start getting handwritten letters, I'll get in trouble.

You mean a snail mail letter? I sure did enjoy your latest episode of the show. Best regards, Tommy J. from New Jersey. Every once in a while, we do have a show like this. I know him. It's really fun to do the show, but we don't really talk about CrossFit that much. So if you really like this show, I want to hear about it. And if you really didn't like this show, I want to hear about that too.

Doug thinks nobody's going to like this episode. I want to see what everyone thinks about this show. Yeah. Entertainment's good. Content's good. You've got to have a mix. Doug is pessimistic. I want everyone's opinion.

Doug is pessimistic. Shane is optimistic. This show is at least 12% content. Of course he loves it. I think it would have been more fun if... Never mind. If what? I just want to be free to be me. See, Mike's trying to constrain

the unicorn. Bad mojo. Don't try to rein me in. Don't try to keep me in a box. Let me go. Let me run free. Don't you to rein me in. Don't try to keep me in a box. Let me go. Let me run free. Don't you shit in her cereal, Mike. Why is everyone picking on me? I thought I was doing a good job of letting her do whatever she wants to do.

What do you want to plug, dude? And this is the last time Shana will be on the Barbell Shots. By the way, we're going to be having Justin Thacker. We're going to be doing a seminar with him. We're only going to have a few spots open for his seminar because he's not

doing it in front of an audience, for an audience. He's doing it to build to make a digital seminar like we have in the store already. Weightlifting seminar. Weightlifting seminar weightlifting seminar uh he's already sent me a lot of his materials for powerpoints and uh some posters that he's created and it is extremely impressive i'm really really looking forward to the seminar myself so he's

gonna be coming to memphis on may 11th and 12th and he we're gonna basically be videoing it if you want to come and watch us basically produce a product, so those things that you see in our store, if you want to see that produced, the seminar won't be directed at you as an audience member, but it'll be really cool to see how all this stuff is put together. And we're going to go out and have dinner and stuff like that on that Saturday night. We've got a podcast too. We'll podcast with Justin Thacker. We'll be able to hang out with him so if you want to like hang out with justin and us on that weekend we're going to post a uh we're going to post a something in

the store where you can purchase basically a pass to come to that uh that videotaping do we tape anymore video Video recording. Video recording. You can come to that video recording. So it'll be like you're at a seminar. There's no way people are still listening at this point. This is like the longest plug ever. Yeah, it'll be like you're at the seminar,

but it's not a seminar for the audience. It's a seminar to record the product, but you'll still be there learning just like you're at a seminar, but occasionally we might have a cut for the camera, that type of thing. But you'll basically be at a seminar. Bring a six-pack. It'll be fun. That's right.

Yeah. Or a bottle of tequila. Preferably. Preferably a bottle of tequila for each one of us. Coffee in the morning. Squeeze a fresh grapefruit juice. Oh, yeah. That's how you do it.

We're going to have some of that tonight. What? CTP's birthday. That's right. At-birthday CTP. Yay. Yay. Thanks, guys. That's how you do it. We're going to have some of that tonight. What? CTP's birthday. That's right. Happy birthday, CTP. Yay. Yay. Thanks, guys.

Real quick, while we're still recording. Are we? I want to plug episodes one through 56. We do have content. I'd also like to plug episode 58, which is coming to you next Wednesday. Is that this episode? We're going to try to plan that one. No, this is 57. Oh. That's next Wednesday. He's this episode? We're going to try to plan that one. No, this is 57.

Oh. That's next Wednesday. He's basically saying this was crap and we're sorry.