Barbell Shrugged - 59- Interview w/ Lift Big Eat Big Athlete and Strongwoman Competitor Talia VanDoran

Episode Date: May 8, 2013

On this episode of the Barbell Shrugged Podcast the crew talks training with Strongwoman competitor Talia VanDoran.

This week on Barbell Shrugged, we interview Talia Jugger Nugget Van Doren, strong woman competitor, skincare enthusiast, big badass, awesome strong woman, and general business owner. There you go. All right. Yo, this is CTP, and you're listening to the Barbell Shrug Podcast, the number one strength and conditioning podcast for CrossFitter. If you want to check out the video version, which you should, go to fitter.tv and watch that because it's way cooler than just listening. And how do you spell fitter.tv there, Mr. Budso? F-I-T-R.TV.

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Leaps and bounds. All right. Oh, yeah. We were starting the show. I have my co-hosts, Doug Larson and Chris Moore. And our guest today is Talia. Say the nickname. Jugger Nugget. Jugger N the nickname. Jugger Nugget.

Jugger Nugget. Jugger Nugget. Yeah. Van Doren. Yeah. What's up, boys? What's her legal name? Van Doren's a very strong name. It is.

Oh, yeah. VD. Scary. VD. Talia VD. Oh, nice. Even scarier. I got VD.

If I ever have kids, I'll give them VD. All right. All right. Well, I'll talk about what's happening next week. Next week we have Justin Thacker coming to Faction. We're going to do a very comprehensive weightlifting seminar. Have you ever said who Justin Thacker is? He's been on the show. He's been on episode 34.

He's a very successful weightlifting coach out of St. Louis. He runs The Lab Gym. You can Google that and Google Justin Thacker and learn more about him. That guy would make your snatch huge. Show. Perfect. July 6th and 7th, we will be at CrossFit Bound. That's Brandon Phillips Gym in Kennesaw, which is near Atlanta, Georgia.

We're going to be posting up on the website. You can sign up for the live seminar. Myself, Doug, and Chris Moore will all be presenting. We're going to be basically doing a bunch of workshops for the whole weekend. So if you've seen Maximum Mobility, Simple Strength, and our nutrition stuff in the store, we're basically going to be presenting stuff

that's similar to that. And so much more, though. And so much more. There's going to be... So much more. Gotten a lot of feedback over the years, so we've tweaked them and made them a little bit better, hopefully. That's right.

We'll fucking tweak your brain if you show up to this thing. Chris will be covering some training philosophy and programming type stuff. Doug will be hitting nutrition and mobility, and I will be doing a lot of weightlifting. So you should leave the weekend with being a much better athlete. What are they leaving the weekend with? Saturday night will probably be pretty wild. Yeah, we plan on it. We're going to party.

So if you want to party. It's called a social. Show up. And if you want to host one of these bad boys. If you want to host one, go to barbellstrug.com. Click on the shop and there's an application you can fill out if you want to host one of these at your facility. But we will be at CrossFit Bounce. If you live in the Atlanta area, check that out.

Go to barbellshrug.com, click on the shop, and there will be a place to sign up for the seminar that's there. This weekend we'll be at southeast regional so uh if you're going to be in the south at the southeast regional make sure to look for us regionals that's how they say it yeah that's how the crossword says it yeah it's not a real word but uh i like so then uh that's a good point he actually is not a real world yeah regionals is not a real word no regional is though so the southeast regional uh will be this coming weekend, and we will be hanging out. So come and say hi. Don't be shy.

We'll hang out. And I'll be watching the competitors for sure, and then we'll probably throw a big party at our house. Afterwards. Afterwards. Yeah, Sunday night. Party at the house. Sweet. Down in West Palm Beach.

All right. And then we'll also be at the Central East Regional June 7th. I got to go to one of these. I don't know if we're going to have a party after that one or not. We'll see how the party at the Southeast Regional goes. Oh, yeah. If I lose my deposit. No more parties.

My financial guy will be really pissed at me. He's like, you went down there and you lost a deposit on the house. Rob's always mad at you for some reason. Yeah, Rob's our financial guy. I tend to spend money he doesn't want me to spend. I don't know. I get an email every other day. It's like, what the hell is this?

I don't know. Ask Mike. I always know what it is is but I never want to say we had to go to Starbucks $45 for Starbucks the biggest mistake is somebody well I don't know

if I should bring that up no don't go that's not a business expense Julie liked that photo change the subject I have no idea what you guys are talking about I don't know if I'm supposed

to be participating we're about to bring you in okay sweet I'll just sit here and look cute we just finished the promo. We have Talia here. Talia? Talia.

In the South, it's Talia. Talia. Talia. Talia Van Doorn. How you doing, sugar? Is that what they say at the coffee shop every morning? That's exactly what they say. You are a strong woman. Yes, I'm a strong woman.

You live in Nashville. woman yep and you live in nashville i do i live in music city i sure do you train at music city crossfit uh crossfit music city um sponsors me and i keep all my implements there and i get to train there um whenever i whenever i want so they're real supportive and awesome of what i do so doesn't do CrossFit, just trains at the CrossFit place. Right. She's a full-on gangster with it. I need bumper plates and CrossFit gyms. Got bumpers.

We do not have any Olympic weightlifting in Nashville pretty much other than at a CrossFit gym. So it's my option, and they've been real cool to me, so I'm very thankful for that. Yeah, but luckily CrossFit places are usually super-duper conducive to having new stuff in the gym. Obviously, Strongman is probably just as well-accepted to some extent as the weightlifting is.

Yeah, they get toys in the trainers. They get to play with the farmers. My log is 75 pounds, so pretty much all of them get to throw it around, have a good time, learn something new. I go in there and help people learn some strongman movements and, you know, show them what it looks like to be a badass. See, this is so much fun. You should try not being a skinny little shit. Join me.

Join me on this side of the fence. What's really cool about strongman is like i think it's like the next progression like if moving a barbell overhead in one swift motion is more functional then the one thing you can really argue about strong man strong woman competitions is that you want functional pick a fucking log up over your head how much more functional in real world are you going to get than that exactly i uh right before i came over here i was picking up rocks throwing them over a bar that's pretty fucking awesome. That's some real world fitness. All the medleys in Strongman.

As womanly as Tali is, look at the thighs. Meaty. Not the meatiness, but she's sacrificing herself for this pursuit. She has a stone bite. I do. Constantly covered in bruises and cuts and all that good stuff tacky get that stuff off yes well maybe how about talia can share her story and that's right her transitions through powerlifting and weightlifting and into her strong woman pursuits

that's right uh one of the things that got me to notice you and to request that you come on our show is that i saw some before and after pictures. And I want to talk a little bit about just women and body image and body composition and all that kind of stuff. So I'd like to cover that at some point during the podcast. But first, I just want to know what got you into Strong Woman. What attracted you to that? Well, I've been an athlete my whole life. I actually was a competitive tennis player up until the age of 21.

And I played D1 in college. I didn't expect that. Yeah. I've never seen a picture of you with a tennis racket. I was a competitive tennis player up until the age of 21 and i played d1 in college yeah i've never seen a picture with a tennis racket i was a tennis player do you have any pictures we can post um possibly i can find a skirt with a racket tennis dresses and all tattooless at the time tattooless or then got tattoos but they were covered um but yeah the international tennis federation can't allow me to have tattoos on my chest. I have to quit this shit. All the tattoos came later in life, but, uh, yeah, I was a competitive tennis player and, um, I was always interested in strength sports. I was eating a sandwich at a restaurant when I was 16, looked up at the TV and saw world strongest man. And I said, one day I'm going to do that. And pretty much was obsessed with it from that point on. People pretty much think that you were joking when you told them about that.

They're like, I'm going to do Strongman. They were like, oh, sure. Yeah, they're like, yeah, right. Whatever. That little tennis girl said she was going to do Strongman. Yeah. Yeah, whatever. About what year is this?

That was when I was 16 16 so i'm 28 now so that's really interesting because uh well shit because i had a similar kind of experience as like being like 11 years old and sitting in my living room floor going wow what is this on espn3 like holy shit like who's this bill kasmeier guy yeah but it's really crazy that that it's only been recently that women kind of got into like it's still very very new like only like two years ago to ever see like one woman competing at a strongman show so at this point you're way ahead of the curve yeah there's probably no other women in the world where you're thinking about strong woman very few besides jill mills and these folks who are right right you know um coming in

the early part of lighter weight females coming into the sport, it used to be your big corn-fed mamas. And that's kind of the way it was. So you're going up against girls who are 250, 275. Nothing wrong with corn-fed mamas, by the way. No, there is nothing. Corn-fed mamas need love, too. They are awesome. And they're some of the strongest women in the entire world.

And to be competitive, you've got to pick your dick up and, you know. So to speak. And do the work. So that kind of led me on my journey to start gaining weight. But tennis, obsessed with strongman strength sports, started lifting weights. Obviously, as a D1 d1 athlete you know you have your your sport training in the morning and then the afternoon you go to the the gym and you start you know squatting and dead lifting and bench pressing all of that and the natural progression

for me was well i graduated from college i don't want to play tennis anymore what am i gonna do i also start lifting weights again and um actually got into CrossFit in 2004. Right at the beginning. Wow. Before me, you beat me to the punch. Black box. You're the head of the curve on everything. This is a good sign.

Follow Talia. Whatever Talia's doing is probably – Yeah, it's going to be big in a couple years. More specifically, fitness conduit. So I was really into CrossFit KC and uh, fitness conduit. So I was really into CrossFit Casey and followed, um, you know, the fitness conduit and started strength training and doing some metabolic conditioning that way in my backyard. And I got some Olympic rings and, you know, dumbbells. And then I was like, you know, I really, really want to focus on getting really strong. So, um, I

bounced back and forth between a bunch of different stuff. And then in 2008, I started powerlifting and really focused on being a powerlifter. And I know, remember we did an SBF meet in Nashville like in, I think it was 2009.

2009, yeah. The first one we went up there as a group. The one I won? Yeah. How many people were in your flight, asshole? Two?

You and some asshole? Yeah, anytime someone went to powerlifting or weightlifting, I'm like, I don't know, there was probably how many people were in your flight asshole two that's the worst thing about those sports is like yeah how'd you did you meet i took first place awesome man awesome you're a national champion in power thing yeah that was the only motherfucker who showed up yeah that's what sucks about powerlifting too is like you have the 25 to 30 and then the 30 to 34 and then if you're a cop or a firefighter you got the whole other thing it's like your pro masters like oh i took them all these i took 10 shitty medals this weekend everyone at the meet medaled 100 100 people 100 competitors everyone meddles yeah it's like yep it's like a feel-good sport it's

it's the little league t-Ball of competitive sports. Everybody's a winner. I will say, though, I recently competed at an SPF meet in Texas that I was not expecting to actually lift in. And they put all the women together, you know, pretty much for the ultimate cash prizes were done all the women together for totals and total by body weight, all that kind of stuff. So, um, while you had weight classes, you still had some overall competition where all the women were competing against each other. You did really well at that meet too, right? Yeah. I mean, safe to say training for strong women allows you to do powerlifting anytime you want. Um, I had deadlifted 365 pounds like two days before and I pulled 385 and I probably could have pulled over 400. Um, didn't really plan my jumps well cause I was like, I just train, I should probably,

you know, be a little safe. And I squatted over three, um, my bench, I've had some bicep, tendonitis, shoulder stuff. So I took it easy on that, but I still totaled about, um, 30 pounds away from elite. So Talia get on the the stronger faster healthy official i'll take that shit right out it will i'll talk to you about that later in the show all right that's not a plug by the way i just really i've had shoulder tendonitis like issues for like my whole life basically i can't remember not having pain bench pressing recently upping the water to like a gallon a day and then taking this super awesome fish oil took

out all that right out yeah yeah we were talking. I switched over to a high quality. I went from like the Costco brand fish oil back in like maybe October, November and I noticed the difference. I was like, I was like,

there is a difference. Yeah. You know, I always kind of assumed, you know, fish oil is fish oil and even, you know, people make all these claims.

I'm like, okay, it's good marketing. Yeah. But I switched over to a higher quality one and I told him about it. I was like, I feel better on it.

I just got through my first bottle of that today. In fact, it was so low, the pump wouldn't work. I just took it off and turned it over. I'm sure I got four days worth of fish oil today. I got 20 grams of fish oil today. I did that when I finished my first one. I was like, oh, there's just a little bit left. I was like, oh, shit.

You made an awesome point there. I just trained heavy. I was like, oh, I'll do it with me. Go and train heavy again. The biggest problem with powerlifting. You made an awesome point there. You're like, yeah, I just trained heavy. I'm like, oh, I'll do it with me. Go and train heavy again. Like, people get so, the biggest problem with powerlifting is like all these rules get set up where you're like, oh, I've got to have 12 weeks to prepare for this competition. I've got to go and compete. I've got to obsess over it for a week.

I've got to pick up my lifts perfectly. And like, no, man. If you're strong, you can just walk up and be strong. When I was powerlifting, I would have 16-week training cycles. I would get so nervous before a meet I have completely blasted any lift I ever put up

as a power lifter, as a strong woman I went into that meet and I added 190 pounds to my total from when I was a power lifter and I've been training strong women since last July not even a year. How often do you train like the classic list, you know, squat bench deadlift or, you know,

how I guess what's your, what's your ratio of like strong woman practice versus strength training? Um, I squat every week and I deadlift every week. Um, yes, I squat once a week and deadlift on the same day. I press on Mondays and I do an assistance day that's really focused on upper back because upper back and strong man and strong woman is really important. And women are deficient. Especially when you're rounded over a stone, you have to be really strong. Yeah. Or carry 600 pounds on your back.

You know, you really have to build your, your upper body and women are pretty deficient in that area for the kind of exercises are using for upper back. Um, you know, actually a little bit more bodybuilding style, high rep, um, well, you know, dumbbell rows, flat bench press, um, yeah. Tricep. Um, I'm doing a ring rows, like pull up exercises. I do dips, um, stuff like that. And I mean, my traps have just gotten huge. And that's also from farmers. I train events and do strong woman things, you know, once a week. And that's generally Saturday, strong woman Saturday. So you're practicing once a week, strength training throughout the week, practicing your sport on Saturdays.

Yeah. Really heavy at contest weights or above. Like today I was training above contest weight. I have a show in two weeks. And, you know, I've started some new programming here recently, and it's just really hammering me into the ground. But it's awesome because I'm really excited to see. Yeah, I've got competition in two weeks. Might as well start something completely fucking new. That's a good attitude, like to not fucking overthink your training.

It's one of the most important things. Cause you go from like not thinking about anything ever, just going in the gym and doing stupid shit when you're a kid to going, well, I need a plan. Then you think the plan is what it's all about. So you start planning really hard and you start getting into this convoluted 12 week cycles of bullshit.

That doesn't really mean anything. And you go, wait a minute. And you throw it out and just go, I'm just going to fucking lift heavy. Yeah. If you just some general planning, of course.

Yeah. There's a method to the madness, but like for example that power lifting meet i got there the night before and they're like why don't you just weigh in for fun i'm like okay so i weighed in and um they're like are you gonna do it i'm like i don't know let's see how i feel in the morning because i was there to just hang out and you know um watch some big lifts um there was world record bench press at that meet so that was pretty cool to see um how much was that a thousand i think it was like 1140 tiny makers um oh yeah yeah he's a bench press monster full equipment you know oh yeah definitely equipped yeah yeah not Not raw.

Raw, I give up. I give up. If somebody bench presses over 1,000 raw, I'm done. I'm out. It's over. You know what the raw records are? Did you see the video of, he's Iranian, one of the Paralympic bench pressers. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So he's got, it looks like, you know the SNL bit where they did the how much you bench, that old skit, where like the four juiced up guys are huge enough body, but they have like little bitty plastic legs. This guy looks like, unfortunately, he's fully paralyzed. His legs don't work. They have to carry him out in a wheelchair. They pick him up, put him onto the extra wide bench. He just lays down, put belts around you to hold you down.

And without, there's training video of him doing like 300 kilos in a bench. No lift off, no spot. He lays down. He grabs the bar. He's got 660 pounds. No leg support. No, no. He's just laying there.

Wow. He picks the bar up by himself, lowers it down controlled, pauses like a full second and a half, and then fucking strict presses it, holds it, and puts it in a rack. Yeah. Oh, my God. No one has ever been as strong as this guy. Some of the fucking hercules or something crazy yeah it's impressive it's really impressive so um yeah what weight class are you

competing in um i as a strong woman i've been a middleweight so i try to stay around 165 right now i'm sitting at 175 the show that i'm doing is open weight class so i'll be competing against um heavyweight women there's lightweight women at um kentucky it's the beast of the bluegrass so a lot of once i got crushed a lot of strong women a lot of strong women shows um there's they just do away with weight classes um a lot of the smaller shows just because not enough people either not enough people people or they just are like, you're a strong woman. You just need to be stupid strong.

And if you can't cut it, you don't need to be in the sport. I like it. It doesn't matter if you're 250 or 150. You better be competitive at any weight class. At nationals, though, I competed as a middleweight. And what's the actual weight in pounds for that, for middleweight? Middleweight is 141 to 165. And then 165 or 166 and up is considered heavyweight.

Oh, wow. So right now, I'm technically a heavyweight. And fucking proud of it. Hell yeah. Because you've been trying to put on weight lately. Yes, absolutely. I really want to be ultimately a solid 190, 200 at least. That's what's really refreshing.

Like, fuck this. Well, I guess it's kind of like the strong is the new skinny. Well, no, it's like, fuck it. I'm going to be as big and bold and badass in every way as possible. And I fucking love that. Yeah. Like, yeah, I'm attached to everything. I'm gonna be fucking huge and gangster and I'm going to fucking play loud,

really vulgar gangster rap on that train. And by the way, point C, fuck you. Yeah. Okay. So for all the women out there that, that want to put on some muscle mass,

what, what have been some of the things that have really helped you the most with putting on muscle mass and putting on strength? Completely training differently than I ever have. What does that mean? Basically training like a strong woman. Seriously, you're going to get nasty jacked, like so disgustingly. That's got to be a hashtag.

A lot of people don't have perspective on what that really means, though. I know you told us you squat and you deadlift one day and you press another day, but give us an example of the actual strongman part of your training. What's your Saturday look like? Like today, okay, I had my contest medley. So generally you're going to get programmed for a competition. And my contest medley is take a 100-pound sandbag, run it 50 feet. Take a 100-pound keg, run it back 50 feet.

Take a 400-pound tire, flip it 50 feet. And you have 60 seconds to complete the medley. So it's like a really heavy Metcon, almost. Right, basically. It would be something that you could scale. With odd objects and about a minute long. Yeah, you could scale a little bit lighter for people that are just getting into it. But I did a 150-pound sandbag, 150-pound ke, um, they didn't have a 400 pound tire.

So I did a three 50 pound tire. Okay. And I did that for three sets. So basically, um, the meat will feel pretty easy. Yeah. Yeah. Basically you're either the philosophy is that I'm going to completely outwork my competition. Um, you work really hard and you run yourself into the ground basically.

And the competition comes and it's like a heavy ish training day. And then after that, um, I had stones. So I loaded 150 pounds stone for reps for two sets in 60 seconds. That just means there's a big, a big spherical stone on the ground, big,

huge rock. I pick it up, I put it in my lap and then I throw it over a bar. Okay. So that's what I do. Fucking functional. Yes. And how heavy is that stone?

That was a 150 stone. I've loaded a 235. So 150 is like, it's Metcon-ish for me. You know, it's cardio. 150 might not sound that heavy on a barbell where you have a handle. That's crazy. Yeah, that's a body weight stone like a spherical stone with no with no handle on it is much heavier than it sounds like it is um yeah

there's no like finger grooves to put in your hands and now you just kind of squeeze it i feel like it's about 25 to maybe 35 tougher than a barbell you base that on what you do some kind of calculation yeah basing off like science article. I know what I can lap. I know how big of a stone I can lap and I know how much I can deadlift. That's how I figured it out. Yeah.

I'm sure that's the same for everybody. You do get a little bit of tacky, which helps. You do. Yeah. In Strong Woman, we do use tacky and that's actually to prevent injury

more than anything. It does help grip, but bicep tears, bicep tears, bicep tears. So loading stones, everything we do is very bicep intensive um so it's really about protecting the athlete so tacky absolutely i also wear stone sleeves um because i want to protect my beautiful tattoos yeah i understand that don't want to rip and you know screw those up scrape up your forearms every day

thousands of dollars i mean obviously i don't give a shit if i get beat up um it's really just about the money that i've spent on my arms so if i didn't have tattoos then i would not i'm like 100 hours into it too and how many hours you got on your sleeve 27 he's getting all this light he's getting all this light blue shit which is really it takes like five times longer to get a light blue sleeve i don't know what you think of that you gotta just paint on some black man no i i i decided what i wanted and i told the guys like how long it takes i don't care how much it costs like it just needs to be as good as it can possibly be i told jaybird my guy like no more fucking killer tattoos jaybird you can paint your whole body and at times it gets like in the time it takes to put a little

flower on your forearm yeah craziness yeah a lot of hours yeah don't ruin your tattoos it's not worth the stones for that no it's not so picking up rocks throwing them around um and then i had farmers so farmers walk basically handles that you put weight on um that's becoming a little bit more popular in crossfit and so is yoke and log but um yeah a contest weight farmers is 150 pounds and per hand 150 pounds per hand so you pick them up and you just walk with them for max distance turns at every 50 feet so today i did 175 pound farmers per hand and then 145 body weight per hand geez that's heavy but yeah most girls probably like i don't know if i could ever deadlift 300 pounds that's my girl voice i don't know if i could ever deadlift 300 pounds i don't want to get too big and that ever deadlift 300 pounds. I don't want to get too big.

That's a lot of weight. I don't want to get bulky. But yeah, I mean, I've picked up two 30-pound farmers before. And just so you're doing a 460-pound deadlift partial just to get that off the ground, that in itself is pretty awesome. Yeah, it's pretty awesome.

Most I've ever done is like, maybe like, one time I could do like 330 per hand, but that is a very novel intense yeah not the funnest experience you're like oh fuck like to get it off the ground like i'm not the greatest deadlift so that's like a i mean 660 pound partial deadlift for me was always pretty good farmers is like i hate that event more than anything it really i hate it yeah i hate it it's the worst mentally it's intense when you put those things down nothing feels that

good yeah or you put them down and you can't unfold your fingers. It's always my hands. I just want to like, I'm like, oh, my hands hurt. Yeah. Yeah. But doing a hundred kilo cleanup, that sure feels like nothing, doesn't it? Yeah. That's true.

You know, stones is probably my favorite. So that's my favorite thing to do in Strongman. And actually, I was talking to somebody this morning. I was like, there's nothing that feels, that that like just gets the central nervous system just your nervous system fucking fired like like picking up the heaviest stone you can find and trying to get it up yeah making fire yeah yeah i did this my shit somebody posted a question for uh you know like what's what's your what's some good exercises for posterior chain like if you want the best it's probably pick up the heaviest stone you can find posterior channel get fired it'll teach you how you must use your hips strategically yeah yeah

it'll wreck you seriously it's a man stones are man maker if you get good at stones and i mean there's triple extension in stones too so i I do a lot of Olympic weightlifting. I'm a really big fan of that. I've seen a lot of my main static lifts shoot up since I started training Olympic weightlifting. And it helps with being a strong woman. There's a lot of triple extension in everything we do with log, clean and press, stones. I mean mean any movement explosiveness we do power variations of olympic lifts all kinds of stuff yeah there's a lot of

getting something in the position off the ground in like a first stage and then exploding with your hips in the second stage and fully extending and completing the thing at the end in order to get these things lifted it's all about position yeah the log is like they like scoop it to your thighs yeah gather yourself and then use your body ultimately to get it to your like it's fucking awesome one of the only times in my life i thought i was gonna pull a glute like my glute cramps so hard i thought i was gonna pull a glute which doesn't happen very often usually your hamstring goes first was one i i'd never picked up a stone before and we finally got those those stones like back at the old gym yeah and uh i asked richard i said how much is that one he said that's 240 and

i was like i could probably pick that up. I walked over there. I'll make this assumption. I have no idea how to pick up a stone. I've never even seen it done before. I didn't pick it up and lap it and then stand. I just bear hugged it. I just bear hugged it and

just tacked it right to my chest and then just picked it up right to here. My glutes were just like cramping. The physics of that is as least optimal as it can possibly be. It was the worst. Are you just like, is this how you do it? Oh, fuck. Terrible technique. I think I did keep

my back straight though. I'll show you how to loan stones if you ever want to know. Okay, let's do it. So at some point you're like, I can do that shit. And somebody needs to be in the room and say, no, please don't try that. You need to go to a you know have talia teach you how to lift that shit or you're gonna die off of a single repetition though my glutes were sore for like two days my upper back was sore for like oh yeah off like a single rep yeah yeah if you can take a 300 pound stone and pick it up and hold it like this for a couple seconds as you try to get it over i mean

think of how mechanically compromised your spine is you can do that you're a strong motherfucker the most impressive stone loading i've ever seen yeah was mike mcgoldrick yeah this is what i think we've seen like we haven't seen like no no no no no these guys do like a 550 pound stone that's probably more impressive no well this is why it's impressive this asshole goes and runs a half marathon yeah like uh how many miles 13 miles 13.1 we went around a half marathon went back to the gym he comes back to the gym five minute warm-up loads what 385 385 stones loads of 385 stone i'm like ab height platform yeah he just he weighed like 190 pounds yeah 190 pounds runs a half marathon comes in the gym

there's a short warm-up. A double body weight stone. Yeah. I was like, that's impressive. I was just doing it fresh, and I couldn't do that at the time. I remember you being pissed as shit. You were like, this motherfucker. I was like, this asshole goes and runs a marathon.

You ran a two-hour job. It's half my size, and I can't do this shit. I was like, maybe this CrossFit is something. Maybe I'll do CrossFit. No, I didn't fucking say that. I did not say that much. But you get what I could have been experiencing emotionally at the time. I was like, I'm supposed to be the strong man and I'm not.

Existential crisis. We were all experiencing the same thing. You're like, shit. Motherfuckers. Motherfuckers. All right. Let's take a break real quick. When we come back, we're going to go over the top 100. You're like, shit. Motherfuckers. Motherfuckers. All right. Let's take a break real quick. When we come back, we're going to go over the top 100 things that you should be doing

in order to be huge and gangsta. One by one. Yeah. Hell yeah. Hey, guys. This is Rich Froning, and you're listening to Barbell Shrugged. For the video version, go to fitter.tv. Remember, don't follow my blood cell.

Follow at CTVCam on Twitter. Thanks. Whatever. go to fitter.tv remember don't follow Mike Bledsoe follow at ctbcam on twitter thanks whatever follow me on twitter at michaelbledsoe alright so we're back and uh

with our guest Talia Jugger Nugget Nugget Van Dorn I keep on wanting to say Jugger Nuts

Jugger Nuts alright I just want to say Jugger Nuts Jugger N. Van Dorn. I keep on wanting to say Jugger Nuts. Jugger Nuts. All right. I just want to say Jugger Nuts. Jugger Nuts Van Dorn on the platform. 200 kilos. By the way, that's your new nickname. Jugger Nuts. All right.

Okay. Jugger Nuts. I'm like Jugger. Damn. Nuts. Nuts. Nuts. Just remember, it started because Jugger Nuts, and then I always refer to myself as a little

muscle nugget Because all the strong men tease me Because I'm short Because they're all 6'5, 6'8 Big huge dudes I'm of average height for a woman Thank you But compared to them I'm of short stature

So I'm a nugget It's an endearing nugget Now believe it or not We actually talk to our guests So I'm a nugget. It's an endearing nugget. Yes. Really? Yes. Now, believe it or not, we actually talked to our guests when we take these breaks. And we found out that Talia owns her own business. What category does this fall in? What type of business is it? It's a beauty industry.

I'm a licensed esthetician. So skin care, waxing. She's not faking this. No, no. This is actually legit. This is a craft. I am, you know, a strong woman who works in the beauty industry. I like to be girly, but I also like to be really strong. So I get the best of both worlds. And from

what I understood, you look at vaginas quite a bit. I do, actually. I am a really... No two are the same, are they? Let's be honest. Um... But I understood you look at vaginas quite a bit. I do, actually. No two are the same, are they? Let's be honest. You know, I find that each vagina kind of looks like its owner, like the dogs. You know how dogs and owners start looking like the same? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Vaginas and the women.

Makes perfect sense. She just compared your vagina to a dog. It all came together for me just then. You get it? It does make sense. That makes perfect sense she just compared your vagina to a dog it all came together for me just then I was like oh it does make sense that makes perfect sense so you guys think about all of the one women

that each of you have been with I've only been with one woman that's right my fiance god bless her think about that

and then it might make sense but yes I do wax vaginas and actually I'm really good at it you know I talk

so if you're in the Nashville area So if you're in the Nashville area. Yeah. If you're in the Nashville area. Go get your vag waxed. Come to Dahlia. Get your vag waxed. Front to crack. Front to crack.

Everything gone. 15 minutes or less. Mark my words. Make it happen. I will. Scorched earth down there. I will. I will.

I don't do shapes. I tried a lightning bolt one time. It wasn't really very good. Isn't that more of a shave job than a wax job, I would assume? Well, I mean, you can wax shapes. And then, you know, like holidays come around. And people want like hearts for Valentine's Day. Can you shave a Santa Claus into my vagina?

It's a holiday season. I don't shave. Just wax. Just wax. Okay. You can shave your own. So in a sense, you're like the people at the fancy Starbucks or whatever who make a little shape into your latte.

Yeah. But the foam, in this case, is the vagina and its hair. You craft the image. It could possibly be that. But like I said, I'm not very good at it. So I just am like, let's just take all of this. I make Nashville beautiful. That's what I say.

I make it beautiful. That's what I do. One vagina at a time. Beautiful equals less hairy. Yes. Yes yes which i don't disagree with so well it's a it's a public health thing as well because you know there was an actual news article don't ask me why but apparently somebody had pointed out that the like the like the the population of genital mites and shit is plummeting because no one has crotch hair anymore for these things to live. Crabs.

Crabs are going away. They're almost extinct. Crabs are going away. Is there some asshole out there who's like, look, save the genital crabs? Did you immediately? You can't let anything go extinct in this world because everything must live.

So surely they're as living as we are. We should protect them. We've got to be politically correct about it. We should have habitation zones where a certain segment of the population must keep full 70s bushes to preserve the habitat for these creatures. So they're currently endangered. Yeah. Actually, yeah. So if you get knocked off, we know it's PETA.

Yeah, exactly. They'll throw red paint on you. What other services do you offer in your fine establishment um i not only wax anything with hair on it for women for men we don't i i don't do the nether regions on the gentlemen just because it's asking you don't weed it around the pole so asking for creeps to come in i just don't do it yeah i won't because someone's gonna leave with a missing appendage and it's not gonna be me so i probably say no penis that gets cut off probably yeah so what uh so if never mind don't go don't edit yourself well i mean if you were to get want to get that done where would you go like What if you don't have a steady hand yourself?

Well, what I want to know is, like, where do you get that done? I mean, do you have to go to a shady establishment? No, no. There actually are. There is a woman in Nashville that does male Brazilians. There's a few different places that do it. Not that I was asking for myself. Right.

Right, of course. I mean, Mike likes to look like a 12-year-old boy. It's cool. Whatever. Is it a Vietnamese massage parlor That they do this at Come on Paul you'll get Paul wax $5

I wax Paul $5 So you're going to wax my Paul Yes sir So I don't do that But there are places that you can That are quite nice. FYI.

Very professional. Um, I just choose not to, but I also do skincare. So, um, I get ladies in for, you know,

and, and guys, you know, facials, making you make your skin look good. Education. We talk about how to take care of your skin, do microdermabrasion,

all that good stuff. You guys do any beard trimming? Um, I do wax wax like beard area. Whoa. Not actual hair, but just, you know, the cheeks to kind of, you know, tighten everything up, make it look good. Oh, so you can like keep it. So you don't have to shave so frequently.

Yeah. Yeah. That's smart. Yeah. I have a few guys that do that. Or maybe like the neck region, cob bone. You get a couple of hairs poking out. You don't want that showing through your T-shirtshirt that's not very cool at the club on a

saturday night curly q hair coming out of your shirts you gotta shave that shit off or better yet wax it off or your butt pubes you know the little area on a guy on the lower back that's got the like little that's my tuft yeah you're tough we just it's there for a reason folks it's a vestigial bush back Back 10 million years ago, the higher primates needed a back bush to signal fertility. That ain't true at all. I didn't believe that at all. Yeah, sorry.

I apologize. I have no idea why we have that. Yeah. It's funny, though, that I do a lot of waxing on my male clients, and I love them to death, but I like hair on a guy hair call me crazy but men should be like you like masculine men yeah there's not a lot of

fully waxed strongman competitors this is a real important question okay so let's say let's picture your standard muscular tattooed strongman athlete, big 6'8", 400-pound guy, is he allowed to shave the tattoo areas? Because that's one thing I forget sometimes. I don't shave my arms, which typically if you're a guy who shaves his arms, you're some kind of asshole to some people's standards. Like, oh, you shave your arms too?

But when you get tattoos, every time I go for a tattoo session, I go, oh, yeah, that's what they look like when I shave my arms. Because you've got to shave to get the tattoo. It's not. But it makes it look nicer. Yeah.

It does. So in that case, it's okay. Tattooed areas, shave it so I can see the beauty of your male canvas, so to speak. I mean, either or. I still like, I still, I actually don't mind them, you know, grown out hair over them. Me, I, you know, I wax my arms, but I'm a woman. So I think it's a little bit more acceptable for me. But no offense for the shavers in the room.

Well, Doug's naturally hairless, so. Naturally hairless and tattoo-less. Nice. I've seen his penis. He doesn't grow any hair down there. Really? Oh, my God. Well, well, well.

Not on my actual penis, anyway. It's like an eight-year-old boy down there. I was going to ask you, so do you have top secret, this might be interesting for the CrossFit fans, so for tears and scrapes and stuff,

as a person who understands skin better than anybody, do you have tips for healing the skin? What do you do when you go up? Because obviously you don't want this to persist.

So what do you slap on your thighs? I basically just lotion. Like these aren't cuts. These aren't cuts. bruises like vaseline brand lotion we're using cocoa butter with vitamin e i actually use a fragrance free intensive moisture like just really nice good hydrating lotion especially for tattoos just for your skin in general um i know a lot of CrossFitters have issues with calluses on their hands. And for me, as a strong woman, I have to really be careful

because nobody wants all that up in their face when you're, you know, getting a service done. Oh, no. You know, so I actually have to – my hands are a little bit nicer looking than the average strong woman. But as far as cuts and scrapes and everything, yeah, just keep them clean. And then I put on, you know, Neosporin and just really make sure. What do you do for your hands to keep them nice and smooth?

I have like a foot pumice stone that I just use on my calluses and really just make sure that I just clean my hands up really nice. So that's a good point. So if you want to not tear your hands, crossfits and stuff, one, you've got to be sort of proactive with it. But keeping the calluses sort of prospectively ground down will help you keep from tearing them. I mean, I don't do high rep pull-ups, things like that. So I know CrossFitters have issues in that area. But I do.

But like farmer's walks heavy. Well, she'll do it. Right, right. Absolutely. Especially if you've got tacky in the hand right from other competitions picking up stones and you know just everything that we do logs like a slater slater true log is an actual freaking log you're picking up a tree you know i mean it's nice it's beautiful but you know it's not absolutely perfect you're gonna get splinters you're gonna you know and a

lot of strongman implements are just things that you might find on the side of the road that you decide to you know found objects that you're like oh that looks like it's heavy i'll just take that home with me when i was uh i played football at university of memphis right when i got done with that i got really fascinated with strongman that's probably when i should have maybe made a run at competing in it because i still had all that sort of athleticism for being really good condition. But I was driving up, like, Walnut Grove, and they were redoing this golf course on Walnut Grove. Like, they had these big slabs of concrete they had dug out to replace with new grass or whatever, expand the fairway, whatever the fuck they do when they play golf.

What's that thing you stand? You hit the ball in the fairway. Yeah. So they crushed these big blocks of concrete. Don't look at me. Don't look at me. No one here plays golf. So they got these big segments of concrete sort of stacked and piled up on the side.

I'm driving my other friend who's equally as big meathead as me. We're 18-year-old kids at this point. Like big, enormous husafel stones. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that's exactly what I found. One that was the shape of a husafel stone. I'm like, we got to take this back to the gym, dude. Yeah.

And it was pretty gnarly because it had like jagged concrete edges all along the side of this like tombstone-shaped big thing of like three-to-pound chunk of concrete. Yeah. And I would carry it. I mean, it's like jagged concrete edges all on the side of this like tombstone shaped big thing of like three and a pound chunk of concrete yeah we'd carry it i mean it's like it doesn't matter something that's big and heavy and gnarly is all you need for your equipment yeah and actually it's gonna lend to you being better in competition because in competition your implements are gonna be a little bit nicer um some some shows not so much but the bigger shows you're gonna have like you know big dog implements things like that that are really you know well made and you know welded and um but even then i mean i have a huge scar um on my thigh from nationals last year from the

who's felt which was a big dog i dropped it and completely sliced my leg open it was bleeding everywhere well they had, they had the steel. The diamond plated. And that's what happened with me. Some of those welds aren't absolutely perfect and you've got sharp edges. I mean, it is what it is. I actually thought those were really nice.

They felt really good. I competed in that one. Well, you competed at the Tunica Nationals last year? Yeah, Nationals. It was really nice to be able to pick up that. Throw some chains in them. You competed at the Tunica Nationals last year? Yeah, Nationals. It was really nice to be able to pick up that. She wasn't paying attention to those small asses. I wasn't there yet.

She wasn't an inch tall woman yet. This was just like last year you did that. 2011. Oh, no. Mine was 2012. He showed up for the other assholes with 160 pounds. I've already been there, done that. I was a national level strongman competitor.

I remember seeing Jay running with that diamond plate. He was running holding his breath. This dude was like 400 pounds. That's huge. Jay Holder. Yeah, Jay Holder. He just straight passed out mid-run. But he's so big that he fell on the ground and his head didn't touch.

So he didn't slam his head into the concrete. He was totally fine. He didn't even get hurt. I remember everyone making that comment when it happened. I was like, oh my gosh. You're always like, well, his head didn't hit the ground. It's like it can't reach. If you don't go to the point where you could possibly pass out

or you do actually pass out or you're throwing up, then you're not working hard enough. Well, that's the point. The Husafell competition, basically what makes you quit carrying the stone is not that it was too heavy. No. You start dying. Yeah, you seriously. You start like fucking dying. You can't breathe.

This thing is on top of your chest. It's lying on top of your chest. You got to grab like a minute until you don't feel your arms anymore. So it ain't that. So the Husafell A minute in until you don't feel your arms anymore. Who's felt stone? For people that don't know, it's kind of like a Superman-shaped pentagon shield stone. You just pick it up like this.

It's heavy. It's like 300 pounds. The company who makes the ones they had at Nationals is really cool because you can just drop chains in it and you can change the weight that way. That's what I really like about those. We've got a Hoosfeld stone sitting outside

of our facility. No one touches it. It's too fucking big for anybody. No one steals it for some reason. Maybe someone will take this.

We'll just send it out there. Those kind of designs are really good because it allows you to warm up and actually train it. As opposed to just

showing up and then not lifting something for a year until one day you kind of just do it. They just got to figure the same out for stones.

For CrossFit, you want to look for that. You want an adjustable implement. Like Tal it they just got to figure the same out for stuff like for crossfit you want to look for that you want an adjustable implement like like talia's got that log the 75 pound you said so you can start learning that slide enough for everybody then add whatever you want to that thing yeah same thing with like circus dumbbells i have a loadable a plate loadable circus dumbbell that's cool so wait the i mean the dumbbell is 85 pounds but the circus dumbbell is the funnest thing in the world. I love that, man. We had a Faction Games 2011,

and then afterwards, we were all drinking. We had a party at the gym, and we were all drinking, and we had that big circus dumbbell in the corner. Oh, no. And then, I think you started it. No, I was forced to do it by a bunch of drunk CrossFitters. Oh, man, do it, because they were over trying. We had to fucking kill them.

It was like, try to pick it up and get it going, and the thing just tilts back into your forehead and crushes yourself you know everybody's been working with barbells and kettlebells and no implements and then we've got all these implements sitting in the corner they're like i want to try that out yeah go for it yeah the guys are like getting how big is that that one's only it's it's it's a slater one it's like 160 160 yeah i think yeah we had like some of the bigger guys like trying to get it and like if you don't practice that yeah yeah if you don't practice it you're just pretty much screwed like at nationals um last year i had never even touched a circus dumbbell and so the after the first day i went and played with one of the lighter circus

dumbbells and the next day I had to compete. At nationals for me last year, every single event was a weight that I had never touched. It was a PR. I had 11 days to prepare. So it was a little intense, but I'm glad that I did it because experience in this sport is how you're going to get better. Each show gets better so same thing

goes for crossfit until you show up yeah well not until you're unique like that well people people at the beginning really we talked about like freaking out over shows there's really no reason to get like to think that this show is like your life and that if you don't do well you're less of a person that's completely ridiculous it's just a fucking fun competition so you just show up do a bunch of them and before you know it you get all experienced but the first couple you do you just show up to have a good time yeah i think that's a big mistake that most people who want to get into a sport make is they want to wait until they're good enough to be competitive right instead of just like look

consider your first 10 competitions practice for competing you know and a lot of people forget that or they just don't think about it that way. And I have to remind the athletes all the time, it's like you've got to practice competing. If you've been doing CrossFit and you like it and you have fun, if someone has a little local competition or just wants your gym, just do it, man.

You'll have a blast. And you'll really bond with the people around you as you're kind of suffering with each other. Now, if you've been competing for five years or longer and you've got a big training volume under your belt and you've been doing it for a long time, you probably have to pick out those two or three big meets in the year and just go after those.

You said big meet. Big meets. Yeah, go after the big meet. Go after those few big meets throughout the year and you can't push it hard and try to compete every month like you could early in your career. Yeah. And in strongman or strongwoman, you know, a lot of athletes actually, we do compete a lot.

And especially if you're getting paid to be an athlete, too, you know, you're kind of expected to make sure you're in the limelight. You are competing. You are training um and strongman really helps make you ready to just whatever like like going into the powerlifting meet i was like all right whatever and then three weeks later i have a show and then three weeks after that i have another show and then i'll probably chill out for a little bit might do powerlifting meet and then nationals comes around so that pretty much sums up my year um but yeah i think that's another good point when you're describing that like oh whatever

occurs i'm just gonna do like oh yeah look there's a power to me i kind of shift my focus a little bit or whatever and try something new and when i feel like resting i've done like three shows in a row i'll take a little bit of break that's sort of a natural way to basically get the same thing as you would if you're trying to force yourself into some sort of stupid periodization model. Like, 12 weeks I do this, two weeks for this, and I'm going to plan a block of this. But it's not – you're getting lost in numbers. Really all that means is that I'm going to push hard for something and I'm going to do well, but I'm going to be pretty tired after doing all this pushing, so I need to fucking do some other thing. I need to take a break or push in another way.

That's all you're talking about when you're talking about programming. How much variation do you get in your squatting, deadlifting, and pressing like you were talking about earlier? Do you do different types or different set rep ranges? Yeah, yeah. How do you structure that?

We do, I do front squats, do, you know, traditional back squat. I will... You do like high bar back squats? Yeah, I actually squat now. I completely changed my form on squat. As a power lifter, I was more wide stance, low bar. Went to high bar, narrowed my stance, and I am a way better squatter that way.

I'm more quad, ham, glute, you know, glute dominant. And that just really. That's what I want to be able to say about myself. I'm quad, hamstring, glute dominant. I'm actually just really lower body dominant. My legs are very strong is what I want to be able to say about myself. I'm quad hamstring glute dominant. I'm actually just really lower body dominant. My legs are very strong is what I'm saying. My background was in piloting as well. I wasn't ever great at it, but I did okay.

But yeah, I squatted super low bar because that's just for 10 years is what I did. And it felt comfortable. Yeah, you can put it better numbers like that. Not super wide as some guys, but wide. And using equipment and this, that, that and the other not going terribly deep yeah and now i mean sort of you know with time you sort of start seeing what is actually good like once you've had a chance experience lots of things you start realizing look okay well when i do high bore actually it seems to carry over to everything and sort of the answer reveals itself like this argument over what's better high bar low bar well i kind of think it's stupid once you start once

you've done both you realize that if you're going to be a pilater and you want to move the most weight possible it makes perfect sense and if you're going to be equipped you want to do chains and bands and boxes because actually it's a good formula for making an equipped path really good yeah but if you want to be athletic it really has no fucking place in your training it's stupid it's good for occasional assistance exercise like oh i did some squat. I want to do some wide stance, low stuff. Cause my hips need to come up. Great.

But as soon as you start making that your focus, and as soon as you start chasing the load itself and you're not paying attention to why you're doing it in the first place, like you can't do as much weight and high bar squat usually. Okay. But if it trains everything more efficiently, you're, you kick more fucking ass when you go to do a strong woman competition.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And you can always just lower the bar a little bit for a path go to do a strong woman competition. Yeah, absolutely. And you can always just lower the bar a little bit for a pound of meat and squat more. Right, yeah. You immediately improve your leverages. It's better to train harder to get stronger. Yeah.

I feel like I'm seeing a trend. I've been talking to a lot of different athletes, and it seems like a lot of athletes that may have been low bar or just maybe their stance was a little too wide. Maybe they're still doing high bar, but their stance was a little wide and they were towing out a lot. A lot of people are playing around with toes more straightforward and trying to torque their feet into the ground a little more and going that direction.

I'm starting to see a lot of – I feel like I've been having a lot of conversations with athletes or coaches too where they're trying that out. And, you know, not just with CrossFit or weightlifting, but also with just football players and stuff like that too. Ultimately, it just matters what fucking works, right? Yeah. It matters like this. It's like what comes down to actually, it's not like training theory or like whatever works for you.

No, it comes down to like physics at some point. Like this is how you fucking optimally generate force. There's no escaping that. You can't like, well, for me, physics is a little bit different. No, it comes down to physics at some point. This is how you fucking optimally generate force. There's no escaping that. You can't like, well, for me, physics is a little bit different. No, asshole. You live on the same planet as me, and moving through large ranges of motion

with a certain amount of load in this fashion is just better. It's like how math works. I think a lot of people... There's no alternate way to make it. It's just how it is. A lot of people have the way they've been doing it for so long

to do something different they don't feel like it's as good but like if you just stick it out for a month or two you're like oh fuck I'm much better now

and to Jugger Nugget's point I may say she said she trains completely fucking different now and is getting a whole new world of adaptations you gotta be prepared to let your old assumptions

go at some point do completely new shit it was scary it was really scary in the beginning. Hashtag. I was getting kind of a long hashtag. Hashtag pearls and jugger nuggets.

That's a long way. You've got to be able to let go of things you thought were the best thing ever when you start thinking maybe they're not the best thing ever at all. Yeah. And it's hard because it's ingrained in you and you've been coached a certain way or you've read so many articles that say a certain thing. It's dogma. Yeah.

It's like being in some church where some guy is telling you exactly what you should think. That's your first sign. Now, there's lots of ways to think, asshole. It turns out there's lots of ways to think. So for me, right now, I'm just talking homie. Right now, and more barbell in my garage. One thing I've committed myself to for the first time ever is actually front squatting. I've got banged up elbows.

I can't like rack things. I can't jerk and do a proper clean or anything. But I can use straps and get into a good position for a front squat now for the first time ever. But when you haven't done that and you're used to being a bent over, low back dominant, power out there style squatter. And like, I love being bent over in a good morning position. That's very kind. That's my.

I love being bent over in a good morning position. You guys would take it there. Let me explain. Why wouldn't we? Going back to our previous conversation. Literally, literally a bent over good morning position. I'm not alluding to anything. That's where I'm comfortable.

But being vertical. We hear you. Being being vertical yeah so comfortable there's a point to all this being vertical with the knees forward in an upright weather thing position is as foreign as it gets different world for me yeah so i just go out there in garage every day and i take a heavy front squat and every day see the weight improve yeah but getting comfortable in a completely foreign unknown position has been one of the most rewarding things for me lately. You can be an expert at something. For me, being bent over a low ball, I could be as trained in that as I could possibly be. But for the front squat, it's completely novel and new.

I can reap so much benefit out of trying that and getting good at it and seeing quick gains. You can be a beginner at something and a master at the same time and, and treat them differently, but get a lot more reward from the new thing. It's fantastic. Yeah, absolutely. And I do a lot of front squatting and I was doing a lot of paused front squats and my stone loads shot through the roof. And the transition there was just absolutely incredible.

And then when I just, you know know for shits and giggles decided to go for like a you know let's just clean the barbell you know and i don't train full cleans i don't train full snatches for the most part very rarely maybe once every six months do i try to hit a heavy clean and i just popped you know 185 up and I was like um excuse me what's the crap like uh yeah that was and I and that may not be I don't even know where that ranks in the the realm of what's a good clean and what's really not but for me not working without ever training it um and just front squatting you know I front squat over you know well over 200 pounds now but um that has just transitioned into so many different things,

and I think people get stuck training the same monotonous way for certain things, and they just don't bring in all these. I think every strength sport has something very valuable to contribute to getting stronger. Absolutely. It's finding those pieces that work for you that are going to make you a better athlete. This is great about CrossFit. It's like a Petri dish for experimentation. It's the only new scene in strength training in a long time.

This is just experiment. Let's see how much shit we can mix and let's see what we can get out of it. And actually, the results now are getting kind of impressive. We said to people who can run a marathon and then do a 350-pound clean. They're definitely the most open to new training modalities out of all the niche strength sports. Yeah. And they're constantly challenging their assumptions, which is a pretty important thing, I think. That's true.

Actually, a big conversation in the CrossFit world is footwear. What do you guys wear for shoes for Strongman? I wear these kids Nike high tops. Gangster ass Nike. Yeah, that's right. Basically, I actually wear. I bought them 20 years ago and I've been saving them for now these are new these are new um i uh for events we flat sold is really good like running yolks and farmers things like

that yeah um and something that's a little bit higher is also good you have a little bit of ankle stability there um especially when you're under load and you're talking about loads that are like hundreds of pounds. Huge loads. I got made fun of. Huge loads. You guys are perverts. I got made fun of at a strong. It took her a whole hour of podcasting to figure out what her perverts.

These aren't the guys I thought they were. I got strange looks and kind of mocked at a strong because I did 300 pound farmers with wearing fucking Vibrams. And that's actually,s That actually you know I have had that conversation recently With some strongmen and wearing Minimalist shoes is Actually you know not a bad

Idea for events Get your feet Conditioned to it Yeah for deadlifting I actually wear For deadlift events No I wear wrestling Shoes I actually wear, for deadlift events. Ballet slippers. No. I wear wrestling shoes. I wear wrestling shoes

to deadlift. But they're pink, so they're awesome. No, they're not. They're not pink. They're actually hot blue. Hot blue? Even better.

I didn't even know that was a color. Blue raspberry. I must have it. I must have it. I want it. And then for like stone loads, I'll wear my Olympic weightlifting shoes.

My red, white, and blue Romaleos. What's crazy about weightlifting shoes is the one thing they kind of aren't good with is like farmers and yolks, it seems. Yeah. You stick that heel up in front of it, you're going to fall on your ass. No, I don't. It's good for skin. Walking around with ski boots, 600 pounds in your back.

Right when you pick it up, it's good. And then you try to walk, it's not so good. Those are made for keeping your feet in one position. Don't wear those stupid ass Reebok ones. It's a waste of time. We're sorry, Reebok. I want to have weightlifting shoes, but I don't want to actually own weightlifting shoes. I want them to be kind of just tennis shoes with some kind of plastic wedge tucked on them.

Those things are. I feel like we need like a big disclaimer across the top. Like the Express, like Chris's opinions are not those of Barbra Streisand.

I like the Reebok weightlifting CrossFit shoe for CrossFit. For like Metcons. I don't like them for weightlifting. Right. And I don't like them

for, you know, yeah. They're not gangster though. They're squishy. For Metcons, they're great. That that's all i gotta say about that if you're the kind of person who wants to do like forrest gump crossfit holy shoe is good for crossfit it's amazing it's great always educating people on the kind of things they want to choose if for a given you gotta like you gotta

like clarify yourself because you'll say you'll make one comment and then next thing you know people are blowing up your Twitter like, I can't believe that you don't like this thing. There'll be a memo passed across Glassman's desk. We heard a guy on a radio show say he didn't like Claw Shit Reebok. Oh, shit. Oh, no. Call my lawyers.

From what we saw on Twitter, he doesn't like Reebok either. Oh. See, now we're just scratching the truth. There's nothing wrong with getting the truth out there. Let's start this fire again. That's right. Put some kerosene on it. Yeah, yeah.

All right, so other categories we haven't gotten into yet as far as strength training specifically for ladies for Strongman. Yeah. What are you taking away as supplements? Basically, I'm kind of a minimalist, to be honest with you. I'm not really good at remembering to take a bunch of pills every day and stuff like that. So food is a supplement, right? I never really thought about that.

So I eat a lot of food. I supplement my diet with food. True Nutrition. I actually am a big food. True Nutrition. I actually am a big fan of True Nutrition, and I take their protein. But with that, which is awesome, you can customize it. Yeah, I was just going to ask about that. I put a vitamin pack in there, an enzyme pack. I put my fats in there, so I get all kinds of good stuff that my body needs.

And I do kaosin and beef isolate. So I do a mixture of that. And then, so basically you get online, you can just mix and match and make your own blend. You can do everything you want to do. And they have like beef isolate. Yeah. Yeah.

Beef protein. Isolated beef. How's that taste? Um, it tastes great to me. You can add whatever flavoring you want to it. They have like 20 some flavor, something stupid.

Like strawberry cheesecake. Like everything is, you just scooped in and boom. You make your own proprietary blend. Done. We did it maybe three or four years ago. I haven't done it since. But Trippie told us about it. Yeah.

I think you have to do a little bit of experimentation before you figure out what you like. Yeah. Because my first batch, I was like, this isn't good. And then other people were like, what are you talking about? It's great. I'm like, you must have done a different flavor. That's exactly what you make of it. There's flavors that are better than others. This month I'm trying Cinnabon, which I like a lot.

But my favorite so far has been chocolate peanut butter cup. But I'm kind of a little shakes knob. So I get up every morning and I put my true nutrition in there. And then I use heavy whipping cream. So I get some more fats in there. That's really the only dairy that I do as well is just mostly heavy whipping cream. She might love the bulletproof coffee in the morning.

Oh, wow. She's like, I don't know what that is but I want it. Coffee, I like coffee. If you were here earlier you could have had some. We drank it all. Dang. Ice cubes. Put some ice in there because I have this thing

That you put everything in And you put it Like the shaker Goes to a blender Is it called a blender? But it's already Like it's not So it's a magic bowl

Don't be a dick You blend it You blend it And you just take it with you You do It's awesome My mom got it for me For my birthday

What's it called? She's a very sweet lady That's a magic bowl Magic bowl? I think it is No it's not It's actually a protein shaker you put everything in

then you put the blender thing on and then you put your little you put your drinker top on and then it's done sounds like a portable blender you're good to go yeah it is

it is one no it's what it is it's a fucking blender called a blender it is a fucking portable blender okay what's so hard

for you to understand god I was just trying to make it easy for people to understand. Delicious and cold and icy. It's basically a milkshake. And I put coffee in it, too. Do you take protein? Do you take creatine?

I do. Actually, right now I'm trying some creatine from Cellucor. They sent me some stuff. They've been pretty cool. I'm always looking for a good pre-workout. So I have a bunch of different brands that I do use for that. What did you take today? Today I took –

What drugs did you take? Yeah. What chemicals have you put in your body lately? I actually took a mixture of cellulose. That's a good start. It was a mix. One drug is not enough. No.

Cellulose, the C3. And then I think it's RSN fast fuel. What's in this stuff? I don't know. I'm not familiar with cellucor. Whatever it is, it gets me tweaked out. I'll keep doing it. Some people are like, I don't like to get the shakes.

I'm like, no. I want to be completely jacked out of my mind. That's how you know it's working. When your eyeballs dilate, you know you've done it right. If you've got a pre-workout stimulant thing and you can't tell when you took it, you didn't take a good one. You did not at all. That's the rule. You've got to know when it happens or else the dad ain't on drug.

That's true. Priceless advice here on the Barbell Drug Podcast. So that's pretty much it. So you do like a pre-workout, you take protein. Pre-workout, take protein, and then post-workout shake, same thing, more protein and stuff. And then I might do some creatine, if I remember, BCAAs, definitely. I usually throw that in in the morning. I get kind of unflavored stuff just put extra into my protein shake if I can make it all convenient in one happy little package

I'm good just simplify that so what do you do for general nutrition do you follow any kind of you know something you know carb backloading or paleo or whatever a sarcastic exhale exhale when she did she was like oh shit it's a mcdonald's i don't really want to say i don't eat i don't eat trash um i eat a lot of food don't count calories how many blocks of sweet potatoes do you eat a day i allow myself one and a half a day and you eat applesauce yeah applesauce only but i don't really like the natural sugars so uh, uh, no, I don't do any of that gay shit. Um, I just eat food to get fucking huge and jacked and as, as strong as I can possibly be. So we'll say real food.

Yeah. Rule number one. Yeah. Fucking potatoes and things that used to move. Right. Cut in half and grilled on a fucking grill. I love pig. So I eat a lot of pig.

So your guidelines would be, Hey, I would like some pig. How much do you so I eat a lot of pig. Me too. So your guidelines would be, hey, I would like some pig. How much do you want, Miss Jugger Nugget? Yeah. Well, give me enough to where I'll eat all of it and when I don't want any more,

I'll stop. Yeah, there you go. Exactly. Until I get jacked. Brazilian Steakhouse is my best friend. Oh, yeah. No, I do stay away from gluten

to be quite honest with you and it's not because I'm trying to be on some fad train like everybody else. I'm gluten free. No free no i said it gives you the walking farts that's why and i have actually um spoken with a bunch of other athletes about that and they've kind of transitioned some gluten out of their diet and noticed really big gains in their lifts i perform better i feel better um i'm not really concerned about staying super lean and having a six-pack and all that.

I just feel better, gluten-free. Now, I'll eat potatoes and I'll eat rice. I love sweet potatoes, so I eat a lot of that. But really, it's just like real food. I like to cook. I like to grill. And it's just as much as I can get in in a day. Eating is another job for me a lot

of do you drink any beer i don't actually that's that's another thing like that's a big gluten straight edge uh no i'm not i don't drink beer i like whiskey oh i drink whiskey so and that's pretty much it i'm not even a huge wine fan i mean it's fine if it's there you know i'll drink it but i actually rarely drink to be quite honest with you. Do you drink scotch? No. We can't be friends. Sorry, not that hardcore.

Scotch is taking it up a level. He's very sophisticated. Yeah, that's exactly why I drink scotch. He fancies himself sophisticated. I'm a Tennessee girl, so I try to stick with Tennessee whiskeys. But I like Blanton's for all my Kentucky fans out there. Hello.

I'm just saying, that's good. Blanton's. Blanton's. If you've not had Blanton's, just, I drink it over ice. That's it. Just straight. You can probably get it around here. Is it bourbon?

Yeah. Yeah? Hmm. Single barrel. I'm down. Delicious. I should go find some Yeah. Yeah? Hmm. Single barrel. I'm down. Delicious. I should go find some tonight. Yeah.

We should. We can go after the show. You know what? I could really start the party. I go tequila exclusively. Tequila? Okay, I could do tequila. Lots of it. Lots of it.

That's awesome. The more the better. I've seen you consume so much tequila at one time that I didn't think a human could do that. Yeah, like once I did ten straight shots of Jose Cuervo and Jose Cuervo was fine. He was just like, didn't phase him. I was like, are you not wasted? He's like, no, I'm good.

Well, not right then he wasn't. Ten minutes later. Yeah. Don't get me wrong, I was unconscious, but it tasted like candy. But I didn't feel drunk. Went from sober to blacked out. In a dream state. No in between.

I became one with the floor. I think that's a good sign that it's time to wrap up the show. We start talking about blacking out. By the way, it's been years since any of us have blacked out. We're professionals now. I don't remember anyway. No. That's a good thing about blacking out. We're professionals now. I don't remember anyway. No. That's the good thing about blacking out.

That's right. All right, guys. I'm going to let Doug do his plug first, as usual. He should have the gender plugs. I was trying to merge Doug with Jugger Nugget. The reason I let Doug do it is to give the guest time to go, oh, that's what I'm supposed to do. What am I supposed to do?

You're going to talk about your business. And plugs. And throw yourself more business. Sponsors, all that kind of stuff. So Doug will go first so that you can go, oh, that's how you plug. Yeah. Towards the end of this month, we're going to hopefully release Zach Critch's seminar. Is that right?

Hopefully. Video editor, man. We should get that done hopefully towards the end of this month, maybe early next month. We're giving CTP a lot of stuff to do. So he's having a hard time keeping up. This dude is swamped and we're out of town every weekend for the next five weeks. He does get paid the big bucks.

Chris has more money than God. Isn't that right? Oh, I thought you were going to say no. He's not even paying attention to me. He's just looking at his phone. So we've got Zach Critch's seminar coming up. I heard girls like money. That's right. Coming up towards the end of this month

it's basically weightlifting for CrossFitters specifically so Zach and Sarah Critch his wife Sarah who is a CrossFit coach Zach was a national champion weightlifter and they've been coaching weightlifting for years and years and they're fantastic we brought them down to Memphis to do a seminar for our staff and a couple of our athletes.

And we recorded the whole thing. And we're making it available for you guys to buy here in the next few weeks. So be aware of that. That should be out here in the fitter shop in the next few weeks. What do you got? Sweet. Lift Big Eat Big. It's my main sponsor.

Lift Big Eat Big. Yes. LiftBigEatBig.com. We have a Facebook page. Go on. Like us. We are a big, rowdy group of strength athletes, basically. Squat like your ass depends on it.

Lift Big Eat Big. Absolutely, yep. Oh, I like that. I like that, too. Yeah, the Jacked and Classy t-shirt. The Jacked and Classy t-shirt. That's my shirt. Jacked and Classy?

Jacked and Classy. Oh, that's your t-shirt? Yeah, yeah. That was a... Like the Talia t-shirt? Well, it was made after... The little cartoon girl that's flexing on there is me. But this isn't my shirt. It says, don't be a pussy.

Don't be such a pussy. Yes. We have lots of fabulous apparel. Jacked and Classy, as she said. I repeat that as I meditate every morning. Don't be such a fucking pussy. Exactly. So, yeah, we post articles.

It's a great forum to go on, discuss, you know, anything having to do with strength sports and training. They offer programming and, you know, lots of fun videos of all the athletes doing cool shit. So it's awesome. Love it. And True Nutrition is also our official sponsor for our protein. So they do actually a custom lift, biggie, big blend. And if you don't really know what to do

and you're like, ah, I'm stuck, then, you know, you could just go with that and pick your own flavor and head on your way. So yeah, that's very cool. And if you're in Nashville, they can come see you. And if you're in Nashville and you ever want to train, hit me up on the Facebook. I'm more than happy. I train by myself. So having somebody to come train with me and help me load and unload weights is pretty awesome. There you go. And if you need your nose waxed. If you need your nose waxed.

Or if your vagina is messy. Or if your vagina is overgrown. All that good stuff. Come see me. You want your face scrubbed. Whatever. Work at Tannastacia Skin Studio downtown. What's that?

Tannastacia. a tanastasia.com um yeah actually wow hit it up i couldn't spell that but yeah yeah t-a-n-a-s-t-a-c-i-a there you go anastasia but with a t so tan because we also do organics on the spray tans that's why I look so beautiful and bronzed, everybody. Amazing. Yes. Got to look good when you're picking up rocks. What makes it organic? No pesticides used in this tanner spray?

Right. It's all naturally occurring products. So there's a lot less irritants. There's not really a lot of fragrance, anything like that that'll cause issues with the skin. Less likely to be having an allergic reaction, I guess. I saw my aunt does my aunt-in-law. Is that a thing?

My aunt-in-law? My wife's sister is my aunt. Oh, it's a goddamn sister-in-law. What am I talking about? Man, I got distracted. I was kind of drunk before I got... Anyway, she does henna. And I saw a Horror Stories henna picture online, though.

If you get an unqualified person to apply that anything to your skin, even henna, this girl had massive infection and boils because she had a cut or something.

They used a bad substance and just sprayed it on her and painted this little thing and it turned into a bubbly, terrible mess and her hands just figured forever. So even... I would buy it.

Even for spray tan. Yeah. If you go to some cheap place, you're going to get a cheap experience that could even maybe damage your skin if they use bullshit in that spray. Yeah. So go for quality. This is your skin. And we like to spray tan because we don't want to lay out in the sun and get old and leathery. Like this is what, this is the biggest thing you show the world And that is The focus of your Your care and maintenance

I learned that in school Say what? It's the largest organ Oh your largest organ Yeah That's true Yeah whatever That sounds like bullshit to me

That's a fucking That's a fucking nugget people Take care of your skin assholes Yes Alright very nice What do you got? Well I guess The chrismoreblog.com

And also this stupid book's gonna be ready soon no it's gonna be fantastic you pretty much finished it up yeah it's like a it's 125 page ebook that's gonna be fantastic i'll get that out this month where's that gonna be available itunes or excuse me i book download uh probably put up there for like five bucks and then uh probably do a Kindle version as well. Between Apple and Amazon, I think you got all your bases covered. So keep your ass peeled, folks.

I've been reading iBooks lately. Love it. Good for you. Welcome to the fucking 21st century. I fought really hard. I was like, this electronic book thing's a fad. Now I get all my books on iBooks. I know these kids with their touch phones.

I love my iBooks. I can read before I go to bed with the light off with the black background and the white text it's perfect it helps out a lot I can lay there and read and Marcy can sleep

and it's not bright at all I just hit the button and go to bed yeah my dog I don't keep her up did you do your plugs? no I didn't yeah I should do that

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