Barbell Shrugged - 83- Jason Khalipa: 6-time CrossFit Games Athlete Interview

Episode Date: October 2, 2013

The side of Jason Khalipa you don't see.

This week on Barbell Shrug, we interview Jason Kalipa and learn all of his training secrets. Hey, this is Rich Froning. You're listening to Barbell Shrug. For the video version, go to barbellshrug.com. Oh, I got a point to make. All right, guys. Welcome to Barbell Shrug. I'm Mike Bledsoe here with Doug and Chris Moore, hanging out with Jason Kalipa in San Jose, California at Jason Kalipa's house. Before we get into the deep discussion about who is Jason, I want you to go to barbellshrugged.com and sign up for the newsletter because we're doing a lot of stuff, doing a little bit of traveling. If you want to be updated on the

things we're doing and the places we're going and if you want to meet up maybe or something like that, you should probably put your name in that newsletter thing. And what else will they get? They'll get the eight snatch mistakes that I did with Rich Froning actually.

So we roped him into that. His shirt was off. You can see Rich with his shirt off. Not that you haven't before. He's always got his shirt off. Every picture I've ever seen of Rich has got his shirt off. Maybe we can get Jason to to take his shirt off i saw the instagram picture and let me say i don't know if that was real or just did you do you guys push that little button that makes

everything more defined it's like this is some bullshit instagram filtering here because everybody is black and white right that black and white just makes you look yo five do you uh do you let up in the off season Before you get into like Do you get like leaner coming up to the games Or do you put on some fat Nah so like When do you get fat

That's what I want to know This is the best interview ever When do you get fat So after the games where I take some time off I chill you know But like A lot of people say so after the games where I take some time off I chill you know and then but like I mean like a lot of people say

you're gonna finish the games and then take time off but for me it's like I really enjoy this stuff so I would do it either way so like after the games I left for a week to

Antigua like a Caribbean island and like I was like alright I'm not gonna train at all I'm gonna let my body heal but like I started to hurt even more because I wasn't training

it's like almost like a racehorse you know like they're just used to fucking they're just used to moving yeah all of a sudden you stop moving and she's like oh so i started moving again i felt good again and um so really the training is still there but the um but the mentality is a little different so like yeah i'm gonna back off a little bit and then now i'm training again so today is uh september 20 whatever uh I'm training again hard for Team USA it was at the end of October so I'm training like for a month hard not that I haven't been training before but just a little bit more low-key then after the Team USA I'll go back down and train just nice and chill and then I'll ramp it back up you know beginning

of the year January February time frame. Cool before we get too far in it can you give us like a brief history of how you got into CrossFit, maybe what you were doing before and kind of what brought you to where you are now? Yeah, so like, yeah, I got into CrossFit in 2006. I was introduced.

I really got into it in 2007. I competed in the 2008 CrossFit Games. I won those. Good job. Thank you. Shortly after that, like a week later, so I was graduating from college in July, the games were in July, so I graduated from college.

So you started doing CrossFit, and you're like, there was this competition coming up, and you're like, oh, whatever, I'll do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I had been keeping up with it, and I had been keeping up with it for about six months or a year, I had been doing CrossFit really religiously, and then I went in, I had been doing CrossFit really religiously. And then I went in.

I heard about the CrossFit Games. I competed in it. I won it. And I had already made a decision to open up a gym after I graduated from college. But that kind of helped solidify, like, yeah, this is what I want to do for a living. And so I opened up my first gym in 2008. And then 2009, I competed in the CrossFit Games again. Took fifth place. Won the Spirit of the Games Award

that was cool that was a big honor for me 2010 I competed again took 16th that year 2011 I took 7th 2012 I took 5th 2013 I took 2nd and I've been nominated

on Team USA twice dude let me like the first thing that popped in my mind after this year's games was winning in 2008 and staying in the mix in 2013 is something to be really fucking proud of, I think. I got to give you props for that because I'm trying to think of who else did well initially and then as this thing exploded, it's still in the mix to take the prize.

I can only think of you. Yeah, I mean. Realistically. Yeah, I mean mean here's the thing i'm just trying to be consistent right and uh i've said it once and i'll say it again it's like in my life what i'm trying to be is the consistent guy you know the guy when you look back like damn that guy came and he came for a long time and he worked hard for a long period of time he didn't just have one good year good year or one amazing year and then dropped off.

But I think over time, you'll watch and the people who will be remembered are the people who are consistent over the span of years. And Rich Froning is a great example of that. He's been consistent for years and no one could ever doubt his work capacity.

No one could ever doubt his abilities because he's proven it over so many years. And I'm honored to be there in the beginning when we were on dirt and then now here we are on espn and oh yeah espn for the not espn2 espn right and just to watch that progression you know it's like it's crazy i mean it's a good thing and it's it it kind of it's it's humbling at the same time because i got into it i got into it when it wasn't the cool thing now more and more people are getting into it.

And I think we could talk about kind of why some people are getting into the sport. And I think some people have the wrong impression about the sport and they need to kind of look deep down why they're doing it. Check themselves, you're recommending, before they riggity wreck themselves. Yeah, I mean, here's the thing. When I got into it right in 2008, it wasn't the cool thing to do. Bye, babe. See you later. This is Kalipa.

Make sure she doesn't hit your car. Don't hit my rental Kia. That thing's green. So, you know, when I got into it, right, like I just did it for the love. There was no money. I won $1,800 that year, you know. And I did it for, I just did it for the love. There was no money. I won 1,800 bucks that year, you know? And I did it for me. I did it for myself.

I did it to prove to myself that I wanted to compete. What better reason is it to start anything? That's it, right? That's it. And, you know, now over the years, people are getting more and more into it, and they're seeing some money. They're seeing some prizes.

They're seeing some stuff. And so getting into it more as a sport than in terms of a fitness program that gets you really healthy. And then as a byproduct, you can still throw it out with your friends and then go compete in the CrossFit Games. It's the difference in the mindset. And I'm watching it. And I think people just need to be careful of it because I think some people are losing focus of why we do what we do. At the end of the day, we're trying to be really fit and trying to live longer and help a lot of people in the byproduct.

And I think if you're so wrapped up in competing, competing, competing, and you're so focused on it, you don't have fun. And when you don't have fun, you're never going to stick with it. You think maybe some people are doing some damage to themselves by trying to be pursuing the performance aspect and kind of leaving the fitness, the health behind? What's your perspective on that no my perspective is just you know at the end of the day crossfit's not making people millionaires right crossfit games are only going to be able to support people up from a from a from a you're not going to be a professional crossfitter only a very select few will be able to live off just that and so if that's not your bread and butter, then you should be enjoying what you're doing.

Like for me, every year I go into the CrossFit Games, it's like, hey, why am I here? Well, I'm not here for the money. You're not guaranteed anything. And I'm sure it's not going to be able to pay my bills if I don't take top whatever. And I'm not doing it for the fame. I mean, I've already been around for a while.

I'm doing it for me. And I think other people need to do it for themselves too because when shit gets tough at the CrossFit Games, which it will, I guarantee you, no amount of money, no amount of fame will ever get you through that. That's something intrinsically developed inside of you that you want to win.

You want to do it for yourself, and you can see that in a lot of guys who do well is it's something ingrained in them. They're not doing it for anything else but themselves. We were talking to Shane Alverson, and she was saying that people think it's a lot more glamorous than it probably really is. They think it's just you're on TV all the time and everyone loves you, but the day-to-day grind isn't that glamorous. Just training by yourself in your garage three times a day, four times a day, or whatever you're doing isn't really that glamorous. Most of the time, you're not in front of a camera and people aren't like showering you

with praise. You're just grinding it out and killing yourself all alone. Right, right. And even when you're on TV and even when you're on cameras and stuff like that, it's like, you know, it's stressful. And again, it goes back to like, why are you doing it? Well, some people want to do it now because they see people getting popular and they want to have more followers on Instagram. well some people want to do it now because they see people getting popular and they want to have more you know followers on instagram fucking worst reason to

do anything yeah and it's the worst reason ever you know and it's just like follow your passion you know and like my passion is fitness like i was thinking about this year and i was talking to my wife i was like you know what if i don't compete next year you know it's like even if i don't compete next year i'm still gonna be doing exactly what i'm doing right here right now like i'd be in my garage throwing down because it's what I love to do your training wouldn't change my training really wouldn't change and it's like that's when you know you're doing something special is because I'm making a living off what I love to do from owning gyms and I'm passionate about it like I wouldn't have it any other way you know yeah that's something that's

awesome your passion or was fitness always your passion even before CrossFit yeah so I mean a little bit about me you know I worked at a Globo gym throughout high school, a conventional gym, like a 24 hour fitness type deal, but it was a privately owned one. And I worked there and I worked the front desk, and from the front desk, I was a sophomore, and then I became a junior, and on my off season from football and different sports,

I started working a little bit more at night, and I started doing sales. And so when i went to college then i worked full-time and then went to school full-time all throughout college and um that's really where i got like my business sense from is from doing all this different sales stuff there putting in the hours yeah i was putting a lot of hours of of really learning how to negotiate people learning how to talk to people and that's where I got my love of fitness. But what I realized is I'd sell people a gym membership and I never felt a hole inside.

Like I'd sell some guy a $25 a month membership. I'd make a $50 commission, whatever. And I'd walk away and I'd be like, you know, what did that do for me? I just got that guy's money. Yeah, I made 50 bucks, but I know he's not going to come in. I know he's not going to get results. What am I really doing?

You know what I mean? And at the time it was just a job. Then it's like, what do I want to do for a career? And I knew I wanted to get in the fitness industry. And that's when I found CrossFit. It's like, this is it. This is something that's going to get people results and I can make a living off of it. But I could go home at night and put my, you know, and rest knowing that I'm helping people

and not just taking their money. Yeah, more fulfilling. Yeah. How did you find CrossFit? So a friend of mine at the time, we were working together at the conventional gym. His name's Austin Begebing. He's now the owner of CrossFit Milpitas.

He introduced it to me, and yeah, just never looked back since. Do you remember your first WOD? Yeah, it was Fran. Oh, of course. Oh, nasty. Yeah, I, you know, so Fran's 21 course. Dope, nasty. Yeah, I, you know,

so Fran's 215 nine thrusters and pull-ups and I couldn't do it with the, What was the time, man? What was the time? So it took me like nine something, but here's the deal.

I didn't do it with, Makes me feel better about my first one, Jesus. No, here's the thing. I did with jumping pull-ups, two for ones. So did I, yeah. Yeah, so,

so after the first round, I couldn't get through the 21 with pull-ups because I was just doing the strict pull-ups and I just wasn't very good with that. And so my guy, the guy who was coaching me, made me do two for one. So I did, you know, 42, whatever.

42, 30. I can't do math. I was reduced to actually standing. I was hoping someone would jump in with the math for me. When you get to standing on a plyometric box, so the bar is starting right at your forehead, and you're just jumping with all you've got just to get your nose above it,

that's when you know you're really tired. You're like, Jesus, I can't even do this. So you mostly come out of kind of like the corporate fitness, or not corporate fitness, but global gym fitness, bodybuilding type world, and you were used to doing very strict movements, no momentum, you know, strict pull-ups, for example, and then you just fried on that first set

yeah i'm just done you know and that's kind of like my background you know for people who are watching this this show you know a lot of people that come from this conventional background and i'm as big of a guy you know i was as much into that as anybody is i mean i was the conventional gym guy buys and tries back and buys your leg i mean leg it. I mean, you name it, right? 30 minutes of cardio. I mean, that was me. Word, man. And I did it for a long time. Yeah. And even to the point where I had debated

about doing like a bodybuilding competition. Debated. Never did. Damn. We could like hunt down Kalipa. Kalipa is in this house, dude.

Kalipa in a bikini, man. That's what I was thinking. No, no, no, no. Is there bronzer in your medicine cabinet? There's bronzer. And, but you know, after I found CrossFit, it just put things in a different perspective for me. You know, I looked at fitness more as a way of functional application of it compared to isolation.

And I was just mesmerized by some of the stuff, man. Just how good I could be at the gym putting a pin in something. And all of a sudden, I have to connect the dots and my body just couldn't connect it. And you know, for those people who are doing, you know, just do regular conventional gyms, so that's fine, but it's like, you can't work the sum of its parts,

you gotta work it all together. And so it's like, you can't get better at squatting without squatting, you can't just do leg extension, hamstring curls and whatever else and expect to get better. You gotta put that bar on your back and kinda connect all the dots. And that's what I was missing. Do you think focusing on muscle mass initially

was actually a good thing in the long run? I don't know, I think that's a great question. I mean, I think genetically I'm already a bigger person, so I think having that already helped. And I was playing football, I had learned some explosive lifts, but they didn't teach me the type of technique that I really know now.

That gangster football player hand clean. Exactly, exactly, you know what I mean? Slam it off your thighs. Doing the movement itself is all that matters, not how you do the movement. That's what we were taught in college, slam it into your thighs. Get that shit up.

Yeah, I remember one time before a football game, one of my coaches is like, scrap, I haven't researched this new theory that basically you wanna, you wanna, you wanna, you wanna, That's how it all starts. You wanna like shock the system, right? Muscle confusion.

So no warm-up, no nothing. So we're about to get on the bus to go to a game. We walk into the locker room, and they load us up to almost a one-rep max deadlift. No warm-up. Just pull that shit off the floor. And then go on the bus and go play. That's fantastic. He probably read like Charlie Francis shit where he had like Ben Johnson do

like max effort quarter squats and then go sprint for the contrast, not realizing that maybe your team wasn't on the caliber of fucking Ben Johnson at his prime. Yeah. And like, you know, warm up and stuff like that, you know, but who knows? Hey, he read a bad pap article that's what it was what does that mean p that's a big fancy term that you just brought up there sorry you're not gonna talk about it now oh you can you can shout out to

lauren shu yeah that's right post activation potentiation there you go post activation potentiation you can google that we did a nasty study one time where we had muscle biopsies taken out. That was a nasty study too. It was a piece of muscle about the size of a number two pencil eraser. So they put a big needle in your leg. They chop off a piece of muscle. They take it out. We went and did seven sets of triples for power cleans at 80% of our max.

And then they pulled out another big piece of muscle. And then we did eight more sets. And then they pulled out another big piece of muscle. This is the same hole, right? Yeah, in the same thing. All I know is i ended up with like nine yeah i got stuck nine times and then we did max isometric deadlifts uh right at like right below um you know the top of the movement and just pulled as hard as five seconds and they were looking to see if if doing the max isometric pulls before the cleans activated our muscle fibers to an extent

where we could pull harder than not doing it or something like that but it was a crazy study we got a lot of it on film i like stuff like that i mean just try new things and see what happens right and the quantifiable data point like hey look we're looking at this muscle whatever i mean that's what's cool about crossfit it's all quantifiable right i mean yeah if you do a workout today and you do the next you do it tomorrow you get better time well you know you're getting you know a little bit more fit something improved somewhere there you go so it's was thinking of any programs, if you're measuring things and things are moving forward, you're doing just fine, bro. You're doing just fine.

That's exactly right. You were talking earlier about kind of like a longevity model for competing. So is there something that you feel like you're doing that's different than other athletes that are allowing you to have that longevity? Besides the voodoo challenge. Is that Zavudu Chom? Is this like Russian-style CrossFit? I mean, you know, so this is going to be my seventh year of the CrossFit Games coming up. And I've been pretty consistent over those seven years.

But it's like, I think the big, big thing is, and I was having this debate the other day with someone about programming. And everybody wants to know the best program. Everybody wants to know, what program should I follow know what program should i follow should i follow this should i follow that at the end of the day your program is only as good as what you're going to put into it you know i could give you exactly what i do every day and i'm still going to beat you because i'm going to go in there i'm going to work harder at those particular events exactly true man and and you know i think people are are trying to find this special voodoo training.

At the end of the day, all you got to do is do CrossFit because CrossFit works and then hit it hard. And I think that goes back to this longevity piece. I think there's really some important characteristics. I think you need to have fun and I think you need to work hard. And if you have fun, you work hard, that's a recipe for success. Yeah, my high school football coach said that the best training program is the one that you believe in,

which there's levels of truth to that, but that'll take you a long way. If you think it's the best program ever and you fucking hit it hard and you put your heart and soul into it, you'll crush. That's it. It's like a spider graph

with all these things around it. The more balance you can get between, look, just simple, well-reasoned programming, nothing fancy, because the best athletes in the world don't really do things that are crazy fancy. I mean, watch what the top level it if you the more balance you can get between look just simple well-reasoned programming nothing fancy because the best athletes in the world don't really do things that are crazy fancy i mean watch

what like the top level olympic weightlifters do it's all things you've seen right it's just that lifestyle belief fun you know recovery all those things make a comprehensive picture and the thing you're doing the numbers the math is just one tiny segment of that people will just lose sight of yeah and you know like the thing about programming like i said i mean whoever's watching this like they get they get so wrapped up in like okay this is this is this percentage this is it's like any joe schmoe can put paper numbers on a paper anybody but it's all about how you approach that workout and what intent you have for it and and the environment you're in, and that's about it. It's how are you approaching it,

what are you trying to get away from it, right? If I put Fran down, or if I put five minutes of handstand walking, what is my mentality as a coach for this athlete, or as an athlete, what is my mentality? And it takes a while to develop some of this stuff. Like you can't just wake up one day and know your body so well,

but if you've been in the sport for a long time, you know kind of what you need. But if you're programming as a coach, you want to have an intention and a focus behind each workout and then be able to articulate that to your athletes so that they could get more effective out of that workout. And not just think about it as 21, 59,

thrusters, pull-ups, but think about it more as, okay, my win for today is if I get the first set, I'm broken. That's my win. Or only take three reps, only do sets of five or less, or whatever. Just have some kind of game plan, some kind of focus. I think that's really important.

Yeah, I was talking to Doug just the other day, and sometimes I program like 80% or 90% effort. And I was talking about how sometimes it takes an athlete like three months of doing. That was where they have to approach 80%, 90%, 100% several times before they even know what that means. You know what I mean? If you're going to try to pace. I was actually reading something on the NC Labs. Yeah, you like that?

Yeah. I don't know what it is, but I'm excited to hear about it. I'm excited to hear about it. I'm excited to hear about it. I do. Are there friends?. Fuck those guys. Are they our friends? We like those guys. I never had a date.

I'm just trying to join the conversation. I'm trying to be cool like anybody. Sorry, Chris. I didn't include that website in the interview prep. This is the second time you're just naming fucking letters. I don't know what you're talking about. I'm always going to leave something out in Chris Moore's interview prep so that we can just, so I can say something ridiculous.

My confusion makes me look like an asshole and a couple people laugh at it. I'm just excited to have interview prep now. So wait, what is NC Labs? I'm just excited for bed. Go ahead and tell us about it. So the NC Lab, the original tagline was like,

where the best get better, but I think the new tagline should be, you know, fitness, you know, returning fitness to fun or, you new tagline should be, you know, fitness, you know, returning fitness to fun or, you know,

a place where, you know, bringing CrossFit back to being fun or something like that, whatever you want to call it. I just think it's a place where it talks about the mentality between a workout

and the idea that CrossFit and fitness in general should be fun. Fitness for years has been something that people do as an outlet, right? Something they do to enjoy it, and as a byproduct, get more healthy.

People go for a run because they enjoy it, and they wanna get more healthy, they know the benefits of it. All of a sudden, CrossFit now is a fitness program, that's what it is. But people now, they don't really look at it as a fitness program, they look at it as a sport. And it is a sport too, but first and foremost,

it's a fitness program. And for those people who are so involved as a sport they're so caught up in it that they lose focus of just having fun and understanding the bigger picture and so nc lab what that's about is it's about one it's about how to approach workouts how to do workouts but it's also just about like just broing out just having a good time with it you know i mean And not taking it so seriously and just hitting it hard. I think I really, go ahead Doug. Big picture what is it though?

You kind of talked about what it's focusing. Big picture it's programming, but it's programming with a twist in the sense that one is the people who are programming it are actually doing the workouts. Which is an online thing you can go get programming. Yeah, we just do workouts up. Yeah, NCC lab, NCCF lab.com.

Am I gonna tell you the name of your website? NCC lab, NCCF lab.com. Am I going to tell you the name of your website? It started like a week ago. But, you know, I mean, here's the thing about it. It's like we program the workouts. Like, for example, I was in my garage the other day. I walked a mile with a sled behind my back. I finished the sled.

I got on my phone. Yeah, my neighbors love me. I got on my phone and was like, yo, this is Jason. I just got done walking a mile. Tomorrow, if you do this, here's what you need to think about. Da-da-da-da-da. That's brilliant, man. So I'm talking about my programming, but I'm actually doing the programming. I'm not just some guy who's writing numbers down on a workout.

I'm actually sitting here in the lab, right, doing the workouts. Seeing if it fucking works. Seeing if it works. You know what it feels like. And if it works, shoot it out to the public. If it doesn't work then move on and and that's the big picture he's like the lab is a place where a bunch of workouts get done we do a lot of stuff some of it's great some it's not so great right take the great stuff

send out to the public that's fucking scientific method that's all it is do you think there's a little too much of a resurgence and like the no pain no gain mentality and cross it like people think it's just about fucking torching yourself and feeling the endorphin rush of that and losing sight of fun, of balance,

of progression, of actual training? Yeah, I mean, I think, I mean, well, CrossFit's gonna,

it's gonna be a little painful if you're, you know, if you wanna get results. Which is good. It's good. But I think, I think,

I think, here's the thing, I love CrossFit and I like pushing myself with other people around me and just having a good time. results which is good but it's good but i think i think i think i think here's the thing i love crossfit and i like pushing myself with other people around me and just having a good time like after i'm done high-fiving a bro and just chilling there just be like damn that thing was hard but that's what it's all about is like pushing yourself with others and having a good time while you're doing it and not pushing yourself for the sake of pushing yourself because you want to get better to win like you're just doing it for yourself to find distinction yeah right you're doing it for yourself to get more

fit to get better and to have a good time and as a byproduct you're gonna do good at the crossfit games not so i need to train for the games i need to do this today i need to do this today oh my god i feel like shit but i'm still gonna do this today because i have to do this today it's like no dude take a day off chill come back tomorrow hit it hard with your friends. And can I put that on a t-shirt, that phrase? It's easy advice to give other people. It is. But it's the truth. It's just, I don't know, man.

I just see it so often. So many people are so gung-ho to get to the games. They're so motivated. And I love it. And their passion is just amazing. But they need to just take a step back and understand that the games is not what defines them. There's other things that define them.

Maybe you're a father, maybe you're a business owner, maybe you're whatever, and the games are just one thing you wanna try and accomplish in your life, but don't get too wrapped up in it, because only 1% of 1% go there, and so just have fun in the experience. If you're not having fun, I guarantee you'll be in here, you'll be a top guy at regionals for a year or two,

and then you're gone. You know, it reminds me of the best line ever. I was listening to an interview with Josh Homme. The front man of the best band that ever exists, Queens of Stone Age. Somebody asked him, if a little kid wants to learn how to play guitar, Josh, you're a fucking badass guitar player,

what do you tell him? He goes, I tell him something simple, man. He gets that groovy fucking voice on. He goes, if you're expecting anything out of music, you expect too much. He goes, I do this shit because I love it first and foremost. Wherever it takes me, that's cool, but I'm just going to play because I love playing.

That simple little phrase perfectly captures everything. You expect anything out of this shit, you expect too much. Right. That keeps you balanced. Yeah, the only thing you can expect from CrossFit is you're going to get more fit. That's it.

That's a pretty good trade. And that's a huge trade. But if you expect you're going to go to the games, I guess call me a little old school, but I just want to remember the days where people were just doing this stuff because they're trying to get more fit. They're trying to live a healthier lifestyle.

They're trying to help people and they're trying to compete, but that's not all they're thinking about. That's not what's keeping them up at night. That's one of the things I see in the sport. Yeah. Jason OG Kalipa. Speaking of helping people, you help a lot of people.

You have multiple gyms and you're doing all kinds of new stuff more in the business world all the time. It sounds like you're busier in business than you are with your training. Yeah. Debatably. Yeah, I mean, there's a couple of facets of my life, right? So I teach level one seminars and coaches prep course

around the world for CrossFit HQ. Obviously, I'm a father and a husband and I have our own gyms, NorCal CrossFit, and then I also compete. So I kind of am as deep into CrossFit as you can get, right? I mean, I'm all the different facets of it.

And so we have affiliates here in San Jose and then we have some up the Bay Area, and then really we're pushing hard with this corporate thing, and it's been awesome. So we've been able to open up some affiliates with Hitachi or HGST, Hitachi Global Storage,

and it's been awesome. So we have two locations with them in San Jose that we service about 2,000 employees, and we get some great participation there. They're actual affiliates. They're real gems. Their people are just throwing down hard

and then now they saw such success there that we're moving so now we opened up a satellite one in Minnesota, Colorado and we did Malaysia

and then we're doing Singapore, Philippines, Thailand and China. Fuck man. Jesus. I'm just sitting here talking.

I got to get up and do things. We were talking a little bit about that. We touched on it before we even got on the podcast. It was really cool to see how excited you were to be able to reach that many people across because you really see it as a way to change people's lives and change the corporate fitness. You were talking about how it's always been the same and now you want to shake it up.

Yeah, it's going to revolutionize it. Here's the thing. You look at certain things in the world and everything's kind of made some moves with the exception maybe like a microwave that's kind of been the same for a long time you know what i'm saying they got so well options now more buttons and shit yeah you know what i'm saying like technology wise ah you know whatever you know maybe maybe airline travel kind of the same thing but it's like everything else you know it's coming up you know we're making progress in certain areas and we're making progress in certain areas. And we're making progress in fitness with CrossFit.

I mean, we're seeing... Jesus. I can't write that yet. I don't know her. You know, in CrossFit, we're seeing progress like nothing else is ever done. I mean, we're watching people make moves.

I mean, every single day I receive an email saying that CrossFit's changed their lives. Every day. And, you know, now you take the corporate environment and for years and years and years they've been on the ellipticals and been on the treadmills. And now you take the corporate environment and for years and years and years

they've been on the ellipticals and been on the treadmills. And is that giving their employees more fit? Sure, arguably. Sure, why not? But what it's not doing is it's not developing a sense of community. And if anybody knows about CrossFit,

CrossFit's a great fitness program, but it's even a better community builder. And that's where I think it's gonna revolutionize the corporate model is because in corporations, what are they trying to do? Well, A, they're trying to reduce healthcare costs and they're trying to do all that stuff by getting their employees more fit. Sure.

But what they're also trying to do is develop a sense of community and no better way to do that than to throw down with other people. I mean, I've seen it firsthand, the president of the company, the CFO, the you name it, just throwing down with normal folks and no one really cares what their titles are a lot of times they don't even know it strips the hierarchy out of this organization exactly I like the story you told about the two guys that worked together for like eight years never really talked to each other and then finally because of CrossFit they've actually talked on a daily basis and they got to know

everyone like that they see but don't ever really talk to because they train together isn't that mind-blowing i mean you mean so these two guys for eight years they'd they'd go to the same gym you know so hitachi's had a gym hgst has had a gym but you know one guy gets on treadmill the other guy gets on treadmill it's kind of awkward if you talk to each other right you're kind of wearing your headphones kind of like why are you talking to me why are you looking at me it's like it's like in a urinal yeah it's like yeah they come to the bathroom and stand right next to me take a piss there's at me? It's like in a urinal. Yeah, it's like being. They come in the bathroom and stand right next to me and take a piss.

There's three other urinals. Bro, come on, bro. It's a little weird. We're crossing streams almost. And you're talking to me. Right. And so it's like, how does that benefit the company?

It doesn't benefit the company at all because now you're getting people as individuals instead of bringing them together as a community. And at the end of the day, what is a company? A company is nothing more

than a community. And you see that with all these different companies is a company? A company is nothing more than a community. And you see that with all these different companies in our area. You know, you got the Facebooks, the Googles, the different companies where they have these new standing stations and there's no longer cubicles. It's all just open floor standing rooms because it's better communication. It's better flow. That same thing goes across it. So just as the cubicles are gone and the offices are gone, well, guess what?

Their fitness program needs to change as well to a more integrated community-based fitness program just like crossfit if you're a gym owner out there like if you were going to give advice to a gym owner that wanted to start maybe a corporate program in their town so like so our town memphis tennessee we really don't have any businesses that are taking advantage of crossfit or trying to trying to work with one of the CrossFit affiliates to do some corporate stuff. What would you tell a gym owner that wanted to get into that, how they could approach that? Yeah, I mean, the first step is, I've tried from the bottom up. It's tough.

So we have corporate accounts with a bunch of different companies. But from the top down, it's a lot easier. So what I would do is, step number one is offer really good coaching at your affiliate, right? Offer the best coaching, be the best affiliate, be the best. And all of a sudden you get people kind of coming in and you start finding out things about them, right? You're not trying to find out things about them. You just find out, hey, this guy's the C level. This guy's vice president level. This guy's this. You start getting to know him. Boom. All of a sudden this guy sees value in your program. And then then what do you do you start talking about? You know hey covering your HR your benefits director in can I take her through a workout?

Just explain or what's going on, and then you just start those relationships up And you know my secret is like you show value in what you're doing You don't ask for any money You just hey I want to show you guys what I could offer your company because I believe we have the best fitness program on The planet and I believe we're going to develop your sense community. Let me show you and then we'll talk about how to implement it at your company. In that scenario, it's probably good to come across as professional as possible. Yeah.

I mean, sometimes you walk into some CrossFit gyms and it's like if you get the president of some company coming in, they're not going to be like, yeah, this is what needs to be in my company. They may like it, but you might have a hard time starting that relationship if it's like my first time. You need to represent yourself well, right? I mean, you need to represent yourself as a professional establishment. Like, CrossFit gyms, they started out in garages. They started out in small boxes,

and my first box was the size of this garage. But now they're getting more popular, and so it's turning from a hobby into a business. And we need to understand that. And you know, businesses act a certain way and do things a certain way because it works. And I'm not saying we need to get rid of all of our old school things.

You can still have all the same things, but it needs to be some sort of professionalism involved with that if you want to try and get into the corporate realm especially. Yeah. I feel like focusing on the community part of it, like you were talking about, really is the key there like they already have a corporate fitness program they understand that you can reduce health care health care costs

increase productivity and all that and that's like the same thing they've heard probably their whole career but the community aspect of it i feel like that's that's the key right and and nothing else is as successful as crossfit right right? So we do, with different companies, they do yoga. They do kickboxing. They do this. They do that. Nothing is as community-oriented as CrossFit because it enables you to partner up with people. It enables you to get in teams.

It enables you to, you know, warm up and stretch together, whatever. Whereas yoga is still an individual thing. Yeah, you're doing it in a group, but I'm not talking to anybody when I'm doing yoga. If I did, that's weird. Well, now you're supposed to, to yeah right and or kickboxing or any of that kind of stuff you know like i mean maybe judo might be an example or jujitsu because you're rolling around with somebody but even then it's not it's not as like you know bro friendly it's not as community oriented as crossfit would be you know it's kind of like those all those team

building exercises usually they make you do and you're like fuck how how long do i gotta be here before i can leave that's usually the vibe in those team building catch your partner kind of like all those team building exercises usually they make you do. And you're like, fuck, how long do I got to be here before I can leave? That's usually the vibe in those team building. Catch your partner kind of exercises. But CrossFit, all that pretentiousness and all that fakeness is stripped away. So it's like, look, here's a real challenge. You're all going to make it through this workout. You got that amount of time to do it.

Fucking team up. Right. It strips away all the artificial fake plastic components, those tests usually. So what we're seeing at HGST, and they're groundbreaking on this stuff, so they came to us like, hey, so we've been there a while, so they just came to us last week, they're like, hey, we wanna start doing

team building events for different units, right? So we just had our first one, a group of 50 people came in, and they wanted us to do, they spend literally tens of thousands of dollars on these events to bring the people together. Instead, they just come in and throw down a CrossFit workout. They get more out of that than they did going and sitting for two days in a conference room

and talking about their feelings and climbing over walls and blindfolding each other and whatever. It's a lot cheaper. It's a lot cheaper. A lot fucking cheaper. You're talking about a couple hundred bucks to thousands and thousands of dollars, and they get more out of it because it's real. And it's not put in this setting where it's like, you know, like it's not put in a fake setting. It's just put in a real setting.

Hey, yo, we're going to go back squat. I want to get you stronger. Let's go squat together. And I'm going to encourage you because that's what we do. And as we encourage each other, we're going to learn something about each other. Yeah, the goal is not trying to force the community aspect. Like if you do some of those team builder things, I've done those team builder things in the past

when I was younger. I was like, so we're supposed to become better friends now? This is really awkward. Forcing you to be better friends. Hey, man, the Nazis tried to force community, man. You see what happened there? Force community, man. It's a happened there. Force community, man. It's a mechanic, it happens.

Exactly, we're not forcing anything, right? We're just like, hey, we're gonna work out together, and all of a sudden you just watch it just like, you know, people start off, they're a little timid, but all of a sudden they start getting their heart rate up, get a little sweaty, and boom. Like, people just start to relax and just really get to know each other.

I mean, it's literally mind-blowing. It's like, you know how normally people get together and they have a few drinks, and after they have a few drinks they start mingling a little bit? It's the same thing. So when you're doing fitness, you know, you get this euphoria, you get this feeling of sensation of just like, wow, I'm getting better, I'm whatever.

And boom, it's like, instead of drinking alcohol, I'm doing CrossFit, and we're combining, and it's a great fitness program. Or, doing crossfit and we're combining and it's a great fitness program jason jason jason or i mean you're gonna say the same thing i'll probably and then we just get drink anyway my suggestion you could like combine those two yeah maybe synergistic effect there you'd be best friends with everybody in the room for a minute drink for a minute row for a minute drink for a minute for 20 minutes you die together am i right?

All right, guys, we're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to find out what Jason Kalipa eats for breakfast. Hey, guys, welcome to the break. Mike Bledsoe here. Just a reminder to go over to barbellshrug.com. There's a video version of this podcast, which you probably probably picked up on and you can go and view that and a lot of times we make references or we're showing a movement or something like that and if you're watching the video you you can see what's going on there um what's everything ctp what am i going to tell those folks oh yeah uh if you're watching video

version there's a technique wad uh you'll learn something new about how to do a snatch or a clean and jerk or a muscle-up or something like that. We'll usually put that in the middle of the show, so make sure to check that out. Thanks for joining us, and enjoy the rest of the show. And we're back. It's me, Mike Bledsoe, here with Doug Larson, Chris Moore, hanging out in Jason Kalipa's garage.

Jim? It's a dope garage. It's pretty legit. It's got Christmas lights. It's jam-packed full of equipment. You were saying earlier, you couldn't get another thing in here if you wanted. No, man. I ordered some jerk boxes.

I got them in here. I was like, nah. I got to take them back. Which jerk boxes did you get? The rogue ones. The wood ones? Yeah. The rogue wood ones.

Yeah. And I brought them to our gym. The best part is this welded squat rack you got behind it this is old school that's that's that gangster stuff right there oh gee and the rings too yeah we're talking a little bit in the break and we're like no no no save for the show talk about like segmenting your life prioritizing you know uh not making crossfit your end all be all and you know you're a husband and a and a father and and how you kind of treat that. I think you were hitting some points

that I think a lot of people need to hear even if they're, whether they're a CrossFit athlete or not, just living life. I think that's good life advice. Good life advice. You were talking about partitioning your training and your family time and your business time and trying to get the most quality time

in each one of those areas possible where you're not kind of blending them all together where you're on your phone when your wife's in the room and things like that. Can you go into that in detail? Yeah. I mean, like I was telling you guys, I mean, I get pulled in several different directions. I compete as a professional CrossFitter. I own several businesses.

And I have my family. And then I also travel for CrossFit HQ doing seminars around the world. And it's really easy to let one of those things go. And the question I ask myself is, you know, what is most important to me? Well, they're all really important to me. And so I need to do my job of finding a good blend between those. And I think it took me a while to understand this, but since I had my daughter, it really put things in perspective in terms of quality versus quantity. And there's a lot of people out there

who train for four or five hours a day and they get very little done. Or there's a lot of people out there who spend a lot of time with their children but aren't really present. And I think that's something I've really been trying to work on is just being present.

And meaning, if I come in my garage and I'm ready to hit it, I'm gonna hit it for 30, 40 minutes. I'm going to hit it hard. I'm going to hit it hard as hell, and then I'm going to go back in the house. I segmented my time, my day, to allot that time to come in here and hit it. If I segment it for the workout, I'm going to do my best effort in that, but I'm not just going to dilly-dally. Then I'm going to allot some time for maybe some emails and some work stuff or some conference

calls or whatever I'm doing with Asia and that's what I'm focusing on but when it comes time for the time with the family you know that's the time with the family and it goes back to that being present you know if I come home and I'm going to have dinner with my family I'm going to have dinner with my family I'm going to take my phone I'm going to put it on the table put it on vibrate and it's all good

I promise you I can eat dinner with my family and it'll be fine when I get back and I have a bunch of calls and emails, it's fine. No one's gonna miss me for an hour. But Jason, the calls, they're there, what do I do? And that's the way people get, right? And for the longest time I'd be like, oh I gotta have this phone on me,

I gotta train, I gotta do this, I gotta do that. But it's like no, I do have to do those things, that's fine. But let me go ahead and segment it and think about the quality of time I'm spending at each different thing in my life. Because they're all really important to me, but I can't let one slip. Like I can't let my family time slip

to train for the CrossFit Games. That's just not gonna happen. And I can't let the business go to crap, because that's what's supporting my family. And so what I realized was just what's been working for me is just thinking about just really quality time and that's that's that's really my focus is kind of like doing a metcon you wouldn't put your phone on the counter and if it rang right in the middle of metcon you go over there and pick it up you're focusing on working out at that time so the phone can wait

for now you can answer it later or they'll leave you a message or or you can read the test the text afterward but during the met, you got to focus and that's how you get the most out of your workout. Same with family time. It's like AMRAP family time for an hour at the end of the day and then it's all good. What a weird, delicious way of putting it though, Doug.

That's a very weird way of doing it, but it makes total sense. You know what I mean? The sad part is some people would never dream of interrupting their Metcon but would totally shit all over their kid's daycare thing or their wife's project. Like, oh, well, hold on, hold on a little bit.

I gotta answer this email. You talking about yourself, Chris? Maybe. That's right. I'm projecting yourself on the world. This is the toughest, the most obvious things in life. Like, have fun maybe when you train or don't ignore your kid for a fucking barbell.

These are the most obvious things and the hardest things to not fall into. Yeah. It's amazing. I mean, those are just big takeaways I've been doing over the last you know because i've been really deep in this stuff for seven years now and i've just learned a lot through through through some stuff and i learned that if i'm not having fun with it i shouldn't be doing it you know this is one more thing on my table i don't have to do this i choose to do this and so if i choose to do this i sure as hell better

have fun doing it because there's no other reason for me to do it. It's not providing for my family. Why am I doing it? I'm doing it for myself, so I better have fun because it's taking away from family time and business time. And so I need to make sure it's efficient and I have a good time doing it. I think that's really good for people to hear because I think a lot of times people think of somebody who is, you know, you're like a multitasker. You know, you've got a lot of different projects going on at the same time. And I think they, they think of that person, you know, you're jogging and you're like answering

phone calls and you're like eating dinner and like answering emails, you know, you know what I mean? Like, that's like, you know, you watch movies or something, you know, you got this, like this, you know, executive or something and he just never focused on anything. And, and basically is always in the gray zone is like what we like to call it. Like you're in the gray zone. If, if you're not focused, Doug and basically it's always in the gray zone is what we like to call it. You're in the gray zone if you're not focused. Who's we? Is it you? Doug and I. Doug and I have our own little terms. Gray zone.

We call it the gray zone if you're not focused on Is that going in your business memoirs? We stole that from Tony Schwartz to give some credit. Well, everything's stolen from somebody at some point. But anyways, I'm not giving people credit. Come on now.

Don't be philosophical unless you're going on my show. Yeah. So it's like, I think a lot of people will see that. But I think the only way to be truly good at many different things is to segment like you're talking about. And I think people get the wrong idea. And so they think it's okay to do those things. Yeah.

I mean, it's just that quality over quantity. You know what I mean? That's the key words, quality, man. It's like, you know, that's it. I mean, mean the big tip there i think is what what you mentioned is getting rid of the phone like if you if you're going to dinner with your wife or something leave the phone in the car problem solved yeah not now you can't screw it up by by checking your texts and getting an email or getting a phone call it's in the car it's like the best diet tip ever if you need to lose weight and you start getting hungry what do you do brush your fucking teeth you're not gonna eat cake with with fucking mint mouth yeah like i already brushed my teeth i

can't do it yeah but you know each of the cake after brushing your teeth that's not what i thought you were gonna say i thought you're gonna be like don't buy cakes yeah but you want to brush your teeth around put a cake in the middle of your kitchen and then go brush your teeth no temptation listen doug sometimes look sometimes you're gonna go to work like in that corporate environment in the middle of your kitchen and go brush your teeth. That's right. No temptation there. But listen, Doug, sometimes, look, sometimes you're going to go to work like in that corporate environment. There's going to be fucking cake there. Oh, yeah.

And look, you can turn down the homemade tiramisu your coworker made that's looking you down and staring you up. Or you can just brush your teeth. Fuck. Brush your teeth.

Genius. So we got, we're all lucky. CTV's dying over here. Chris is the only one with a real job in this room, I think. That's right

so he's got he's got the temptation always standing corporate keyboard monkey hello we do have a pastry chef at our gym who occasionally

will get an order for like a thousand cookies and then like it'll get cancelled and she'll just bring like four boxes of cookies into the gym and then

then they're just there I'm like push workout cookies and that's another thing about nutrition let's talk about that for a quick second

yeah yeah go for it word it's like here's another like pet peeve of mine in the CrossFit community in the community in general it's like people just take that shit way too seriously they need to calm down like you know what I mean and and and it goes back to that quality of life thing you know don't be that guy who is so on your diet that you show up to your kid's birthday party you're not gonna have a piece of cake with your daughter because you're on a paleo diet for the rest of your life it's like take a break eat a slice of cake i promise you you'll still be just as fit as you were did right now tomorrow and you know it kind of goes back to

that whole thing i tell myself that too much yeah i mean it's just one time i mean i haven't had you know a piece of cake since yesterday yeah but i mean i think you know what i see is is people just they hear that you know paleo zone like yeah that's great and you should eat clean you should eat well you should eat real food like no question about it but you also should take that time to to um not take it so seriously just like crossfit you should come into the gym and you should do functional movements at high intensity we know it works you should eat real food because it works but you know sometimes you need to take a rest day at crossfit sometimes you need to take a chill break when it comes to eating and you need

to go out with your wife you need to go have a good time and if you have dessert oh my god just do it how often do you cut loose all the time is that quantifiable like every day no i mean you know the way i like to think about is i don't eat much i don't eat as much as people would think i eat a you know decent breakfast really nothing throughout the duration of day and then a pretty big dinner that's just the way i roll uh what's what's a typical day like what's a typical breakfast and i guess typical breakfast you know i like going to whole foods we have whole foods here a couple legs a couple pieces of bacon and uh you know maybe a couple tater tots you know that that's about it nothing huge quantities because when i eat huge quantities it makes me sluggish so i like organic locally sourced tater tots you know vegan tater tots i'm sure

you know just something like that that just kind of kick starts the day um sometimes i'll have some coffee sometimes not just depends um i have an allergy to dairy and so uh i won't i'll just drink black coffee and um you know then the day goes on um I like having a perfect foods bar, which is like this bar. I like it. It's called a perfect foods bar. Before I go out and work out. Is that Zen Paleo? I'm kidding.

No, of course. It might be Paleo. It has honey in it, whatever. So in the morning, I'll do some cardio type stuff before I go and have breakfast. I'll have breakfast. Then later on,

I'll be doing a bunch of work, whatever I'm doing. Then I'll have a little bit of half this bar. Then later on, I'll be doing a bunch of work, whatever I'm doing. Then I'll have a little bit of half this bar. Then I'll train really hard. Then after I'm done, I'll have some type of like, I'll have like a progenic shake or whatever. And then a little after that, I'll have another bar. And then I'll come home later on that night and I'll have dinner.

But throughout, I'd say from nine in the morning until five o'clock at night, the only thing I'm eating is probably one total bar and maybe a protein shake just because I'm busy with different things I'm doing and if I eat too much I feel really sluggish and so I can't train. You're training several times a day. Is that like you're drinking several post workout shakes? No, I mean I probably have like one of those a day.

You know, it's like in the morning my post workout thing is gonna be my actual meal, my breakfast. Yeah. And then after my noon session is when I'll have a post-workout, like the Progenix. So you'll train before breakfast. Yeah. And then you go get your breakfast. I got you.

And then I'll train at lunchtime. Then I'll train at dinnertime. So then I'll come home, do something, and then I'll eat dinner. It seems like it's another example of you're not overanalyzing the shit. Look, I don't feel like eating, so I won't. I'll get some work. When I feel like eating, I'll eat a good meal and that's it you know if I get busy and I go more than three hours eating a meal the world will not stop my body will keep working just fine because it's made for such

things it's not made to eat consistent at meals every three hours they're perfectly balanced that's bullshit yeah no that's exactly right I'm gonna eat when I'm I'm gonna eat when I'm hungry and if throughout the duration of day if I feel like I'm busy and I'm not really paying attention that's fine but because more times when I eat too much I just feel really sluggish like I can't eat a lot

and function I just feel like I'm going to fall asleep so instead I just have nice small little snacks and I'm good to go Is your dinner super huge? Yeah what's your dinner?

Super huge you know super huge might be an exaggeration What's the girth on your dinner? I mean mainly at dinner my wife cooks fish,

chicken, steaks. All at once? This is a good wife. Probably, you know, like a fist or a little bit bigger

of some type of protein and then we'll have some type of carbohydrate, mainly like vegetables or sometimes like some rices, maybe some potatoes, normally mainly

like some vegetables and then I'll have some fat in there, some type of stuff but nothing too crazy, you know know like just a good meal and then probably before I go to bed I like having like almond butter a little bit of honey cool yeah I I just want to put this throw this out there is like we've interviewed quite a few athletes and everyone's kind of got a different

routine so one thing I would caution people against is like just taking exactly what he did and try to apply it to you. Oh, yeah. It sounds like you're doing this very intuitively. It's intuitive eating. And so it might be a good idea to try to keep it paleo-ish with some intuitive eating. Especially if you're a dummy, right? And not try to force yourself into someone else's dietary program. If you're a dummy, your intuition might be flawed. Get somebody to check your intuition and calibrate it.

Then go use that intuition once you're smart enough yeah actually i think it's good to go into the extremes like maybe do like a 30-day paleo challenge yes and then and then when you come out of that like you're it kind of tunes your intuition a little bit i mean here's the thing right your body's your own lab and just like we're a lab in terms of crossfit gym and i'm trying to you know look at inputs look at outputs right that's what we do in crossfit same to, you know, look at inputs, look at outputs, right? That's what we do in CrossFit. Same thing with food. You gotta look at your inputs, look at your outputs.

You know, if you've never zoned before, you should try it. If you've never gone full paleo, you should try it and see how you feel and I've done that, right? Like I've done full zone, I've done paleo. I've been doing this a long time and I found that this is the best thing for my body because I feel good throughout the duration of the day. Now some people might say like Matt Chan, for example,

he eats 100% strict paleo, eats way more fruits and vegetables than i do and that's what he likes to perform and all respect to him but that's what he's found works well for himself and so just like anything you got to look at your body like a lab and test the results but you got to give it a couple of weeks you know try something try it try try like take out gluten take out dairy how do you feel you know like for me if i eat dairy my nose is gonna get stuffed up and i'm not gonna be able to breathe very well because i have an allergy to it no cocoon for you uh no cocoon for me actually i've got the same problem allergic to casein yeah cow casein but if i drink goat milk perfectly fine

really yeah i want to try that out so i mean yeah i mean experiment and like gluten is the same thing it's like some people get really bad gut problems with it for me it's fine so i've taken it out i've put it back in nothing changed so it's all good yeah so i heard before we came out here that that you were like super high energy all the time and like to get you to like stand here and do a podcast for an hour would be like impossible because you're just like all bouncing off the walls all the time and i haven't gotten that impression at all since we've been here is that is that just like the two people that told me that they just don't know you very well or is that like a thing or are you normally more energetic than this i was like i was expecting different yeah that's what i heard too yeah

i heard you were like a maniac jason i didn't hear no bullshit what is this i heard you didn't even win the 2000 yeah that's a rumor start on Instagram you know I think I mean for the most part like when I get in like I think

some people get that impression from when I'm doing like crossfit workouts it's like like it goes back to that thing like if I'm ready

to work out and if I told myself at one o'clock I'm gonna work out I'm gonna go in and I'm gonna hit that shit and if anybody else

is with me I'm gonna be running around and making it gonna hit that shit. And if anybody else is with me, I'm gonna be running around and making it happen. If you're with me, you're with me. If you're not, get out of my way, because I got an hour to hit this or whatever it is. So some people sometimes might perceive that for like I'm just crazy, but it's more like the efficiency piece.

I'm doing this for this round of time. At two o'clock, I got something I gotta go do. So I'm getting in the amount of work and they sometimes see that. But generally, I'm not pretty high-energy guy, but I could definitely sit here and talk for 45 minutes or an hour. Any longer, I might be walking around in circles or something like that. Awesome.

Before you start walking around in circles, let's go ahead and end it. Yeah. I feel like we need a part two, three, four, five with Jason. Yeah, I think so. But I feel like we need like a part two, three, four, five with Jason. Yeah, I think so. Let's do this again. When you come out and see Rich, we can just maybe hook up and do a big fucking ridiculous episode of the show with everybody on that bitch. Yeah, me and him. So like we were chaining back emails for Team USA and we're like, hey, we got to put together a practice.

And so we have girls on our team. We have guys on our team. And so Chan is our coach. He's like, hey, the girls can't make it out. Do you guys still want to do this? And I just wrote back. I said, we go there, we shoot some shit, and we work out a lot. And all the guys just wrote back, deal.

Bro hard-ons. So I was talking to Rich, and he's like, hey, man, it's deer season. And he's like, you want to go hunting? I was like, I don't know, man. So I texted back and said, i texted i said i don't know take you guys hunting and then see if people go around the camera and we'll we'll watch you just you know sort of get into a deer with a big buck knife or like a big i've never done any of this before so i can't ever hunt him nah so i texted him back cause i came in i was like i don't know if i could do that he goes what do you mean you don't know if you could do that i was like i just don't know if i could do that like i've never

killed an animal before and he's like are you it or what like no like he's just like he's like he's shocked he's just like you shouldn't like like like you're joking right how is this possible like i don't understand how you're having this dilemma right now like and i was like i was like maybe we start off with a turkey or a duck or a pigeon and we work our way up i'm kind of like you though man i've never i've never killed a mammal with a weapon really ever i that's not something i've done i never i never fired a gun still this guy's trying to take like 15 times and so i've been something something always seems to come up anytime i try to take him shooting oh really yeah by the time i turn 30 i got comfortable

taking the hook out of a fish's mouth does that make me i'm like oh it's slimy dad come on take the hook out hey my worm man we're in kenya and uh so we're in kenya and i brought a bunch of our crew there and we we built two schools in kenya last year yeah so we get there and we're like talking about playing talking a big talk like hey you know this is gonna be like third world stuff like we might have to kill our own foods and so all of us are sitting there we're talking big talk like hey you know this is gonna be like third world stuff like we might have to kill our own food something like that and so all of us are sitting there we're talking big talk like yeah i'm down do it i'm down do it so we get there and they're taking us to the village and there's there's this like basically this i don't know container of goats and like they're like all right so the villagers here never see meat they eat meat probably once a year so if you buy them the goats

are pretty expensive like i don't know 50 or 100 which to them is like absurd might as well be a billion dollars right and so they're like hey if you want to buy one you can buy one you can buy two you can buy as many as you want but you have to kill it and so we're sitting there and we're looking like these goats and like we're walking around with them like so who wants to do it and they pull out a knife like to slit the throat like the world of the flies moment yeah they're like so the whole time we're like on the plane we're talking big talk yeah we get down there we're gonna you know be like just like the locals so we're sitting there and all of us look at each other and none of us were down and uh so none of us none of us did it and so we didn't buy any goats because we

didn't want to kill it but it's not be funny like it was almost twofold like yeah we looked like a bunch of pussies but but at the same time, it's like, what if one of them's like, yeah, me, I'll do it right now. You're kind of like, I don't know if I want to sleep next to that guy. That's right. The rest of the group forever is like,

man, Jason's a little weird. Yeah, that guy. I don't know about him. It was a great scene. I shared a hotel room with that guy. It was a great scene on Anthony Bourdain's show. He's down in the Bows, Louisiana, and they're going to have a big pig roast,

which is so awesome. They're starting with a live pig that they've raised all year and had this big party. They go, well, you're our guest. This is my best Louisiana voice. I don't know. Let's talk to Kendrick about this shit. Is this accurate? You're the guest. You do the honors. Woo! They hang up a pistol. He goes, I know how this works. Double tap behind the ears. They go, right!

He goes up, pow, pow, right in the pig's head. Cold blooded just, boom. They break out the knives, slice it down. I anthony morgan yeah that's how he rolled kendrick ferris is badass he is i saw he came on train with you dude i could talk about kendrick all day long man so shit house that guy he was out in boston with you guys last week yes he was in boston so i got off a plane oh yeah this dude up and they're like hey come meet us so i come over there and i look over there and all these dudes are just squatting and Kendrick's just squatting like 500 for reps. So I'm walking right off the plane.

I was like, fuck yeah. I was like, I'm in. So we go over there and we just have a little bro session. And so he gets up to like 590, hitting it for reps. I've seen some videos of him lately. Over 600 for reps. What? It's world class.

No one in the world is squatting as much as him in his weight class it was bizarre and like and like my favorite thing about him is like i'll be squatting i think i was moving up to like the high 300s like 365 395 and i was doing it for reps too like with him obviously i wasn't as heavy as him and uh you know like i was struggling coming out of the pocket like on my fourth and fifth rep and he's like get out of there get out of there and like the way he says he's just like he's not like get out of there get out of there he's just like gather like it just like he's he's like you know like he's sending belief into you yeah that's exactly right like like get out of there man get out of there what's up the instagram like man squatting nothing but getting out of there not

being afraid of this shit. He's not trying to be a cheerleader. He's just trying to inspire you just a little bit. Yeah, and that's all it took. He's just like, here's this dude who's squatting 600 for reps and he just tells me,

get out of there. And she's like, that's like Sylvester Stallone style. That's all I need. You know what I mean? Because you respect the dude. Yeah, I had a chief in the Navy like that. He never screamed at anybody or anything.

But if he pulled you aside and was like, talked to you low, you're like, oh, shit, this is real. Yeah. So, like, Kendrick's probably the same way. He's like, hey, get out of there. He's like, oh, fuck, I got to move. I got to get through. You got to get out of here.

You punched me. All right, guys. I think we're going to wrap this thing up. Part one. Yeah. So, what do you want to promote Jason I mean you got sponsors

or you got NC labs yeah I mean where do you start Jason no we got we got just NorCal CrossFit you know NC

the NC lab right and I got a bunch of great sponsors you know what I mean we got Reebok we got Progenix we got Rogue we got Rock Tape

we got you know we got a bunch of cool people that help me out so very cool I appreciate all of them. Support the people who support Jason. Support the kindness. Keep the trend going.

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