Barbell Shrugged - 866 - The Godfather of Velocity-Based Training w/ Dr. Bryan Mann

Episode Date: October 1, 2026

I've been a fan of velocity-based training since I first experimented with it in 2005. After three four-week blocks, I hit PRs across my weightlifting and powerlifting lifts while really enjoying the training itself. It felt like I was running sprints in the weight room. Full speed, not to failure, full rest. Fun and effective. The work felt easier on my body, yet I felt faster and more explosive than I had before. So getting to sit down with Dr. Bryan Mann, the person who brought VBT into the mainstream, was a conversation I'd been looking forward to for many years. We talk about where velocity tracking adds value, how the approach can fit different athletes, when it's useful, when it's unnecessary, measurement devices, and how to use it for maximum results in strength and power development. I came away reminded why I've loved this style of training for so long. Enjoy!

Doug Larson here and this week on Barb Bell Strug we bring the godfather of Velocity Base Training Dr. Brian Mann to the show. We talked about velocity based training many, many times and have mentioned Brian's name and have said over and over again that we need to get them on the show and today's the day I was super excited about it. I've been a fan of velocity based training since I first experimented with it back in roughly 2005 and I did three four week blocks and I hit PRs across all my weightlifting movements and all my power lifting movements while really enjoying the training. It was easy on my body. I felt good. I walked out of the weight room, you know, feeling, feeling fresh and ready for my next training session. I really

felt like I was running sprints in the gym, kind of everything full speed, not to failure, full rest. Very fun, very effective, easy on my body, as I said. So been a big fan of velocity-based training for many years and getting to sit down with Dr. Brian Mann, the person who brought VBT into the mainstream was a conversation I've been looking forward to for a long time. We talk about where velocity tracking adds value, how to approach velocity-based training with different athletes, where it's useful when it's unnecessary, how to measure it with devices and without devices, as well as how to correctly do velocity-based training in general to maximize your results in strength and power development.

So if you are interested in velocity-based training and you want to learn how to get faster and more explosive, this episode is for you. Enjoy the show. Welcome to Barb Bell Shrug. I'm Doug Larsen here with Coach Travis Mash. Dr. Mike Lane. Brian Mann, welcome to the show. You are a pioneer in the world of velocity-based training to use Travis's terminology. You're the godfather of velocity-based training. You're like the guy that turned it into a thing many years ago. Amongst many other things, you've been Texas A&M for a couple of years now. You have a big history as a researcher. You're like a gangster in the space, so to speak. Give us your background. And how'd you get into the world of strength

and conditioning? And what's your story, man? Well, first you never go against the family. Oh, God. Is there all I said anywhere? No, I mean, really, my career could be summed up by being at the right place at the right time, or you could say that luck is when preparation meets opportunity. You know, somewhere over there, I've still got the book that I got in 1993. It's on my bookshelf.

And one of these days before a podcast, I'm going to go grab it because I know that I'm always referencing it. can see the updated copy. I can't see the original red copy of speed strength training for football. But anyway, it's no surprise to anybody. I got a big red birthmark on my face. And kids are cruel. So I got made fun of a lot. So I thought if I got bigger and stronger than everybody that either they would quit making fun of me or whenever they did make fun of me, I could end it really quickly. And that's really what happened. You know, for my 12th, birthday. My mom got me a 110 pound DP Challenger starter weightlifting set, right? And exactly what you're talking. Yeah, baby, gray concrete plates and all. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. And I started

lifting weights and I saw results really, really quickly. And from there, I got, uh, I, I, my mom put me in a strength of conditioning camp. Uh, it was the only year that they had it at Missouri State, you know, And there were three guys that were, if there's older people that listen, older than me, even, they might remember the names Rob Rogers, Kirk Wolf Folk, and Russ Ball. Well, Kirk went on to be the director at Navy Forever. A lot of people don't know his name because he got a tenured position. So he just stayed there and set his career just, you know, pretty much on hold there. Well, not on hold. but dude, if you got a tenured position, why are you ever going to leave?

Right? Then Rob Rogers went on and did some amazing things, and now he is working with the military out in, I'm going to keep that, you know, I don't know what can be told on what can't there. I just realized that. And then Russ Ball, I believe he is still in the front office with the Green Bay Packers,

but, you know, I knew that I loved lifting weights, and then whenever I found out that that was a career option, I'm like, dude, this is what I want to do. And, you know, I also watched Rocky 4 that same summer. And it wasn't Rocky that turned me on. It was the science with Ivan Drago behind that. Oh, dude, I loved it, man. And so between those two things, that really set me in motion.

And then it was just going ahead and preparing. You know, they, the Rob told me to read that Doc Creve's book and I read it cover to probably five or six times. They're just the rest of that summer. And I started doing my own training for football at that point in time. And I would like to say it worked, but it would be tough to say. I'm 5'8 tall and I'm probably 5'9 wide. So, you know, Division I scholarship was never in my, you know, in my works.

But, you know, I could definitely tell the difference on the field. And then, you know, I just happened to be in the right place at the right time again on a Saturday morning before working at McDonald's. You know, I was in at Ozark Fitness getting a lift in, and a guy named Charlie McLean was there. And Charlie was the first guy to squat triple body weight, I think, at the 181. So he was the first 600-pound squatter at 181. And this is back in the days of like Ace Bandage as the wraps, right? Yeah, man. And he was like, hey, what are you training for?

And I'm like, well, I think I want to do bodybuilding. You know, I'm not going to be a good football player, so I want to try this. And he's like, dude, your hips are too thick. You're, you know, this is too wide. This isn't narrow enough. You're never going to be a good bodybuilder. But you're strong as hell. Once you consider powerlifting.

And he told me to go pick up a powerlifting USA and find a meet. And he would meet me the next Tuesday in his garage and started training with, not training with him. But I went over there, learned the techniques from him, found of meat. He helped me write up my first program and I went and did it and won the state championship and they all had single-plied gear on. I wouldn't wearing anything and I and I won. I didn't know what the hell a squat suit was. I'd actually, but Charlie, all he cared about was a squat and bench. He didn't like deadlift so he didn't teach me that. Now it was in the magazine, but I thought, well, he would teach me the deadlift if I was supposed to do it. We're probably

hand cleaning. And so I didn't even know what a deadlift was. You know, I never had completed one before doing the NSCA, not NSCA, NASA, high school Missouri State Championships there in 1995, right? Well, it's not too complicated. Just pick that shit up over there. Yeah. But, you know, it was, yeah, but, you know, I shot my ass up into the air and did an RDL and all that,

all the great technique that you're supposed to do. Sure. And then a couple years later, you know, still competing, and powerlifting. And one of my, I knew that I wanted to do strength of conditioning. And one of my friends from high school, a guy named Pat Fitzgerald, was on the football team. And he was talking to me while I was skipping one class to study for another. And I happened to be sitting there in front of the weight room because it was on the second

floor of this building that was right next to, Michael, what was that called Temple Hall? Is that where all the science was? Temple is the science and plaster was the football stadium where the weight room was on the second floor because somebody never lifted heavy weights in their life and put it on a second floor yeah yeah right and it's all good you know but yeah we had a lot of complaints about that shit you know I don't know if it got any better after I left but everybody was complaining about the barbells dropping and then tiles falling into the racquetball courts and stuff and I said underneath it yes like that like it's not my fault somebody else is stupid so we just I know. And so, but Rick came up to me and was talking with Fitz, and Fitz is like, hey, he just won a national championship. And he's like, well, I can't pay anything. You want a job? I know this is what I want to do. So I closed up my book and I went up to the weight room and the rest, as they say, is history. You know, from there, I went on. I interned for Joe Ken at Arizona State. And then my dad got ill and I went back to Tulsa for Pat Ivy. the AD found out that Rick really couldn't do everything on his own that summer while I was gone,

got his butt kicked. So they called me, begged me to come back and gave me a, they created a GA position for me, that I think Mike got the, to feel the benefits of later down the line. And then whenever Pat got the job at Missouri, he gave me, I was the second phone call. And I went up there with him as a graduate assistant. So I worked on a second master's degree. and then just kept going to get a PhD. Why?

Because I'm freaking dumb, I guess. I like pain and discomfort and suffering, which is, you know, academic life right there, right? Did you get your PhD at Missouri as well? Yeah, I did it while I was full-time coaching, and that is absolutely stupid, right? So whenever you're working 105 hours a week and you're doing full-time PhD load at the same time,

I still have health repercussions from I know I was about to say how many years do you reckon that took off of your life right there probably six to ten I would I would wager but then again you know I'm not I'm not somebody who cared about that because I we can we both competed in powerlifting I wasn't good as you well Jebity was not no I mean weighing 300 and some odd pounds at 5 8 is not a good idea but I was doing it for many many years a quick break in the action here to let you know that I've just recently chosen to get back into coaching, and I specifically am looking to coach Masters Jiu-Jitsu athletes, just like myself.

I've been doing Jiu-Jitsu for 22 years and strength and conditioning for 30 years. I'm a black belt, of course, and I live that life. I understand exactly what goes into it. I understand what's like to run a family, do Jiu-Jitsu, try to tie strength and conditioning into it all and all of the ups and downs that come with it from joint pain to busy schedules, to travel and all the things. So if you are a master's jiu-jitsu, to athlete and you're looking for some support.

I'm happy to give it. You can DM me on Instagram at Douglas E. Larson or you can email me, Doug at barbell shrug.com. Happy to help. Back to the show. Right. And, uh, yeah,

and uh, yeah. No, no, no, no. Yeah. And then is, is that how you discovered Travis? You're just competing in power from back then and then. Well, so he was on, right. This man jumped onto the scene.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was writing for elite FTS and he beat Eddie Cohn. So I'm like, man, I'm going to listen to a guy I beat Eddie Cohn at the WB. I beat his number. Let me be clear. I did not beat him at Ed.

If he's listening, he gets mad. He said, I just beat his, I beat his total. Beat his record. He beat his record. And then we went to Ed, and it was very close, but he beat me barely. So, you know, Eddie's one of the goats for a reason. He is, man. He is the goat.

He'll call the demons out. Like, dude, anybody who's been a major competitor, you can find some demons, man. And like I still remember this. I'm not going to name names. But there was an intern who was talking smack one time. And I'm not even going to see where I was. And I hadn't squat in 18 months because I was having a lot of hip pain and a lot of hip problems and back problems. And dude's like, I heard so much about you.

But no, man, all I sees you in your office and all this stuff whenever it's training time. And he was talking. And I am not backing down. And I was like, F you, whatever you do, I'm going to go 200. pounds over and hit a double. I didn't know that dude was going to go 550, so I went 765, and I hit two after not squatting in 18 months, and I did not move for a week and a half, man. It was, I should have just lived that one ride, and now I'm more likely, not totally going to, but I'm more likely to lift those kinds of things ride, but it's, I'm still struggling to do that.

Me too, but I think I've got so many athletes now that there's nothing I can do about. about it like so like all right what do you do like Ryan what are I going to do get beat so yeah you're gonna just throw him in some Brazilian jiu-jitsu hold and choke his ass out that that would feel confident but like when it comes of lifting that dude's tough little bastards yeah so yeah he's freaking strong hopefully it's lining up good for LA or he's looking really really good so I don't want to but like better than like he's making better decisions so hey that's what it all comes down to man is good decisions i made it is bad ones yeah man like i feel like people have no idea when there's

only three males that go to the olympics yes it comes down to like a decision here decision there can be the difference yeah absolutely yeah so so i i'd actually love to hear the origin story of velocity based training was this like something you were doing in your own training and you saw results and you're like wow i really feel like there's something here and you kind of just like iterated over time and like just like developed it over time like on your own or did you see somebody else doing it And you have like the light bulb moments or what, tell me the whole backstory. Yeah. So as Mike can attest that Rick had a bunch of copies of copies,

photocopies and photocopies of photocopies of photocopies of translated Soviet texts. And he wanted me to read him. And I guess he probably wanted me to read him because he didn't want to because that translation is, it's tough, man. You know, it is very, very rough. And that's nothing against but Sharniga. I mean, he did a good job. but Russian is so immensely complex.

They've got a lot of words that we don't have concepts for. And that, to me, is befuddling. So whenever you're trying to do literal translations, it makes the reading really, really rough. And God rest his soul, Bud did a great job of getting this information out there. But like I said, it was rough. But I read all these translated Soviet texts, and I kept seeing this M-slash-S and MS-superscript negative 1. And I'm like, what? But the one thing about me, and I'm going to sell myself out here, I didn't get, I wasn't able to get a PhD because of my work ethic, because I was already working 105 hours a week.

I was able to get a PhD because I got a really good memory. So those things, they just stayed in my head. And I'm like, because it was different. It was interesting, but it was repetitive. And it wasn't just one book. It happened across a bunch of them. So I'm like there's got to be something here. I just don't know what it is.

And it was all these velocities of these different lift portions. Well, then came the day that we went and visited both Buddy Morrison. Well, it wasn't a day. It was a week. It was a spring break back in early 2000s. I don't want to, every time that I say the year, somebody will always tell me, oh, it had to be this year because of this or that year because of that. I don't remember what year it was.

I don't remember what I ate for breakfast. Excuse me, but every year, anytime it was spring break or we had any time off, Rick and I would hop in his van and we would go somewhere and learn. You know, if we weren't, our vacations were spent learning in somebody else's weight room. That's super cool. And we went to the Cleveland Browns for a few days. But before that, we went to West Side Barbell. And so that was the week that Lou got the first Tendo into this country. And, you know, it had feet per second and meters per second listed on the device.

And I looked at Rick and I'm like, eat for second. I know, yeah, right? At what point? Yeah, exactly. So you know that this was, you know, almost the 90s, right? Because, you know, feet per second was still something people were talking about. But I was like, hey, man, whenever we get back, I know what to do with this. And Rick bought one.

And we started messing around with it. And I started recording and just looking at percentage. and speeds and found that for guys that have been training Westside style for a couple of years, they all were around within about 0.06, 0.08. I can't remember which one. One of the groups was a little tighter, and I think it was at Missouri State and Missouri was at 0.08. The difference at every 5%, you know, about a 0.08 meter per second difference. That was good enough for me, man. It didn't had to be perfect. I was just looking for better ways to train our athletes. And then, you know, we repeated that at Missouri and we start, and that's where it really, you know, took wind because

we start doing this and all of a sudden these guys that, you know, Missouri, we were recruiting two and three star guys. But in 2008, we were the number one country in the team, number one country in the nation. Number one team in the country, not number one country in the team. I'll get it eventually. We all knew. We Smith words here. We Smith words good. Yes. Yes. But yeah, and, you know, I think that that I'm, the recruiting absolutely did get better. And we absolutely did have some diamonds in the rough. I mean, Chase Daniel is six feet with three pairs of socks on. And, you know, because nobody wanted to look at him because of his height. We took them, switched over to the spread. Offense took, went wildfire, went gangbusters. We were the most, we had the most play as many team.

in college football at that point in time. I don't know if we still got the record or not, but I think Chase was getting a playoff every 23 or 27 seconds, which is, you know, that's just flying. And so, yeah, no, I think it had a lot to do with recruiting, but whenever you, you know, we changed our training and we got about an extra year and a half of adaptation out of it. You know, most training, you only see improvements in absolute speed

and jump height for a year, year and a half. Well, we were able to move that out to three years. So we just got an extra 18 months of adaptation. I think that there are some things that we could do retrospectively looking back. Hindsight's always 2020. God knows my looking ahead at things ain't 2020 anymore. I'm wearing glasses here for Christ's sake. But I think that we could have made some changes that might have got us another six months to year of adaptation.

But it's still finite. There's always going to be a ceiling. Why do you think that most teams only get two years of adaptation? Everybody's doing the same program, right? So we had a multi-level approach. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And even if they were just doing straight Western traditional, everybody's doing the same thing.

And when everybody's doing the same thing, that means that there's no more novel stimuli that are introduced, nor are there different traits that are attempting to be developed. That's what you're saying. So whenever we went from just strength, they're looking at strength speed and speed strength as development phases, we saw extra jumps in power. But, you know, one thing that I will say, though, is whenever you have trained athletes,

the improvements in the vertical force velocity profile do not mean, there's absolutely no relationship to the horizontal force velocity profile. So, you know, at some point, the relationship between the lifting, and the sprinting ceases. And that's at about that same period, right? So, you know, I don't know how much of it actually translated to the field or did it just make us better lifters? Or did it make us, you know, I just don't know.

Well, I'd be like that would be up to the sport. You know, if you make them better athletes, it's up to the sport coach to make them better at football. And that's out of your control. Oh, yeah. You control your variables and that's all you can control. But it's useful to think about the transference index, like how much we're really getting per this choice of exercise per this programming and you know and of course i mean obviously

you can think of like joe can in the tier system and other folks of exactly like we're giving the athlete the appropriate stimuli where they're at because there's no point going straight into a speed strength speed strength or a strength speed phase for somebody that can't even squat body weight we still have to get like you and i've had those conversations about accommodating resistance like why using bands and chains you literally bench press 185 exactly as a male That weighs 200 pounds. Like, come on. Keep going.

Yeah, exactly. So when do you think that, when do you think strength ceases to, like, relate to increases in speed, like, two times body weight, like, or what? You know, that one of the things that we have to realize is that there is so much individual variance. Yeah. That it is insane. Is this person using more, some people call it fashionally dominant. And it's like, I don't know if I agree with this terminology. because so much of the ability to use the fascial system is how quick you can set the pre-tension with the muscles.

And if you don't set the pre-tension with the muscle, then there's no stretch of that parallel elastic component and the fascia. So, but some people are, their tension is, or I'm sorry, their running speed comes from setting quick pre-tension to get a lot of sort of elastic energy out. Right. Some people are more contractile dominant. I think that the person who is contractile dominant can see speed increases for a little bit more than the person who's using their parallel elastic component. Right. And they're on series too. Don't get me wrong. Because once that myofibro, the actin myosin complex is set, the stretching isn't coming from anything other than Titan.

Right. And then that's- Nobody talks about the Titan protein filament, which is the biggest, yeah. That is my white whale. Yes, we do. And there's different isoporans based upon training. And that has not been heavily researched enough. Yeah.

And needs more. Man, I mean, Kavanaugh started figuring that out in 1976, and I don't know why we still aren't looking there. I can't help but wonder if it is because of technology and that it's super easy to look at actin and myison. It's tough to look at Titan. Titan is literally 10 times bigger than myason. So you have to use what's known as a silver staining method. which is a SOB. And that was the white whale that I was trying to do at the end of my dissertation

after looking at, you know, myison heavy chain type 1, type 2, A, type 2xb, whatever way you were taught it. It's just, you know, the fastest, the fast which humans have. And it was one of those situations where I'd love to go back and do it, but it's hard to do. Yeah. And so hence that's a real thing. Also with the relative strength and, you know, coach man,

you and I are great examples of it. If you're someone that's built a squat, you've got the longer torso and the shorter femurs, the two times bodyweight squat isn't producing anywhere near as much torque at those joints for somebody that's a short torso long-limbed. Like a line has to. Yeah. Exactly. Right.

So like when we, but it's a good way to go about it if I'm a high school strength coach. I'm like, hey, you got a squat twice body weight. But then we here understand that nuance of like there's a big difference between a long limb and a short limb lifter with the real forces they have to deal with. My nine-year-old is already over that. I literally have a nine-year-old that's already two times by the age. Is that a bear or what? Bear or?

Bear, bear. Yeah. Okay. But his femurs is like, he's built. He's going to be, I know he's my, he's just extraordinary. He's strong. He's like, he's my son. He's going to be, and he's just, spammers are like the size of my pinky, you know, like.

In limb, not, not. Yeah. From like a practical Between you and your wife, he's going to be, he's going to have the jeans to squat. He can squat the hell of some way. He's so easy for him. So yeah, it's not going to be a strong kid. Yeah.

Yeah. Wait, from like a practical standpoint, for like for all the listeners, say like they're, they're moderately trained, they're not professional athletes, but they know how to lift, but they've never done velocity-based training before. Like, what are like the best practices for how to start to implement velocity-based training into kind of an normal training program for someone who's moderately experienced. Yeah, you know, I think it's so awesome. It can be a lot of fun, you know, so there's a lot of different ways to look at it,

and it depends on how the person wants to do it. One thing that I would actually recommend them not do is not use my zones, you know, for your moderately trained person. The zones were created for Division I football players for deadlift and squat. And we threw bench press in there, too, even though bench press had a, a drastically different, I mean drastically, 0.15 instead of 0.3 meter per second, you know, at the end range.

So, I mean, at the end of the day, who cares? It's not that bit, it's not that far off, but bench press doesn't matter. So we left at the same speeds to make everything easier for us to be able to remember. I was wondering why you. Yeah. It was just to keep everybody on the page, man.

Like, here's a deal that a lot of people don't realize if they've never been down on the weight room, floor. And this is one of the things that grinds my gears about some academics because they're like, well, you're losing precision. You're losing precision. It's like, man, precision means squat in coaching. If do these guys listen to me, do they believe in me? If I screw things up by telling somebody the wrong speed, that takes away at my credibility. If one of my other coaches screw something up because it's confusing, it takes away from all of our credibility. I have far more credibility and buying in from those athletes from having that one set of speeds going across all the lifts.

I was wondering. Because nobody's going to mess it up because people did screw it up at the start. And we saw the athlete saying, coach. But Coach Williams over there said, and then we'd have to be, I'd have to be like, I don't give a rip what Coach Williams said. I'm the guy that figured this out. This is what you're doing. I'll go talk with him. So we had to go away from having lift-specific velocity zones to just having one that's suited for everybody.

It was management. You know, that's one of the things people, you know, I was talking about that coming back from national. So before this last national conference down in New Orleans, I reached out to my acquaintance friend, Jonathan Weekly. And was like, hey, man, it's only a six-hour drive back to New Orleans. I can drive you back with me if you want to spend some time. And fortunately he did. And we were talking about that story on the way back. And I'm like, man, I had good coaching is what I thought it was.

And I tried to share it with the world. And I didn't know what I didn't know at the time because Dunning Kruger is a hell of a thing. Right. And, you know, I thought that if it worked at these two schools, it must work for everybody. Right. Well, dude, Division I sports. Who makes it to Division I sports? The Krim Della Crime.

Right. Yeah. So I had a very, very homogenous population. But whenever we get outside of that, it becomes so heterogeneous that you really have got to look at where you are and what you need to do to improve. So what I would do is I take a little bit more nuance. Like everybody wants to load velocity profile. But why? Because what is the thing that matters for performance? It's just the speed, really. Well, no, it's not even just a speed, right? Because if it were just the speed, it's power. And where power happens? Power.

Power, because power is the interaction of force and velocity. Okay? So it's not your biggest, strongest guy that's your best. It's not your fastest guy that's the best. It's your biggest guy who's just as fast. That's your best, right? That's what I came when we did our target Swiss. That's what.

Yeah. is like not only power but where power happens at what rate does power happen yeah so at what intensity so what I would recommend is that people start to look at whatever the exercise is right and so they find out where peak power is supposed to occur at now like oh callumori and hoff had a paper in like 2004 maybe that's old I know I just can't remember the year where they put out a bunch of different exercise with the populations and what peak power was for them and what intensity it was achieved at. So like a squat was at 50 to 60 percent of one arm in these different populations.

The bench press was, you know, 40 percent for one population, 30 percent for another. They might have had bench row in there. They might have had, you know, there was a few different exercises. So look at those kinds of exercises. See where you hit peak power at. And then, I'm sorry, see where they hit peak power at, where you're expected to. And then go collect your own load velocity and power profile. See where that power occurs.

And then try and shift it through training. If you are more towards the force into the spectrum, we know from the work of Pedro Jimenez-Rez, J.B. Meren and Pierre Samizino, I can't do my French accent. I don't have one of those. It's pretty good. It's better than I could have done. Yeah, but I can't Spanish as a little of three years. So I can't

allow the numbers. But yeah, what did he said? Yeah. But I forgot where I was going. Oh, yeah. Pender Jimenez-Raea, you know, it's training towards the deficit.

So training what you're not good at is what moves it in that way. So if I am way on the force into the spectrum, that would indicate that I need to move faster. And if I'm at, if I'm really fast, but I'm weak, that just means it's stronger. So, you know, letting that drive your training. And it could be the loads within the exercises, or it could be that maybe I need to change up exercises totally because I'm no longer really seeing changes here, right? That is the way accommodating resistance does come into play. Oh, absolutely.

It's going to be faster. Right. Yeah, because accommodating resistance allows you to stay in acceleration for longer. You see, ballistic exercises like a clean pole, man. You know, so if you look in the NSCA book, and this is one of the things that just, I do not like about the essentials of strength and conditioning is there, within the resistance training, the programming chapter, power, they say is between 30 and 90%, depending on what exercise variation you use. That's the broadest statement in the history of the world. It's 30 to 60% for most of your traditional movements because half of the time is spent slowing down the barbell. You've got to slow everything down because force equals mass time,

acceleration, that's going to be far too much force for you to control it in range and not hyper-extended joint, for Christ's sake. But what about a ballistic? You don't have to stop that low. Gravity does it because you projected into the air. So like a clean pull, 90 to 110, 100, and 20% of your clean max is where you hit peak power on a clean pull. Exactly. Right? You don't decelerate it. There is no to acceleration period. You projected into the air. You don't have to stop the thing. And there's the maximal in nature. They're not like a squat or a bitch. Right. So yeah. And, but bands allow you to LinkedIn out that time spent in acceleration. So instead of slowing down for half of it, you're for like 75, 80% of it. And, you know,

anybody who thinks that bands don't work. I'd look at the study by Andy Galpin that they did on the deadlift. And then there was another one by Thomas Winski. He was a, just an author on it. He wasn't the lead author. It was when he was at Robert Morris University. And it was a very well done methodology. I remember whenever I was reading through the paper, I'm like,

holy hell, these people actually knew what they were doing with bands. And then I went back and looked at the author list. I'm like, oh, I wonder. Dude, it's my well.

Of course it was doing. We train with Louis. You know, we learn how to do it from the man himself. So it was done appropriately. As opposed to, I still remember the first study that said it didn't work. And it was using blue bands on back squats with female volleyball players.

No shit, Ben. So, Mike, you remember what the menabum squat was to use blue bands in Rick's weight room? Oh, dear God, you'd be over a 500-pound squad. That's what I was going to be. I have yet to see a volleyball player that can squat 500 pounds. Female volleyball player, not a shot putter who went out onto the volleyball team, right? And not the Mitch in how tall they are. Yeah.

The taller people, that's even more resistance. And they were like, see, the bands don't work. And I'm like, see, tell me you're an idiot without telling me your guy. But, you know, it's just another one of those things that people, it's done in Kruger. They didn't know what they didn't know. They thought they were the expert because they got a PhD. I know I got a PhD and I know I'm a dumb ass. So, you know, we've got a, that's what's going to make me a little difference than some other people.

So for all the possible options there, you got, you got Tain's, bands, you've got reverse bands, you got ballistics, like you got varying amounts of tension, etc. Like what seems to be the sweet spot for producing peak power? That's a very difficult question to answer with one clean answer. Yeah, there is none. So it's having the different variations to allow for multiple stuff. Now, there will be a answer based on what the deficit is.

Okay. So let's say I've been training forever and I have a, I am way towards the force into the spectrum. So I have what, uh, what Jimenez Reyes and Marin called a high velocity deficit. Well, then I would want to go with, uh, heavy band resistance and light bar weight to maximize that velocity. So like 1.1, 1.2 meters per second. Now, if I am on a low velocity deficit, maybe and you know, and I'm not the strongest guy in the world, then I'm at that, you know, 60% of one RM, you know, right there near that power. Throw some James or bands on and move at 0.75 to 1 meter per second. And that's going to elicit probably my greatest

adaptation there. So it depends on the needs of the individual. How strong they are, what exercise, like what they've been doing in the past. Yes, so many variables to consider. Because the normalcy is useful. And the other thing that I would throw in there, because you brought up the reverse bands is ban resistance accentuates gravity, because that will rip that bar faster than the normal 9.8, you know, one-ish. So if you haven't done bands before, or aside from unwracking it is going to throw you if you go to heavy tension and you're not used to it. But second, it is harder on your connective tissues because you slam down faster. Yeah.

So change is gentle. And reverse fans are great if you're a little banged up to still give you accommodation, but it's more of a breaking effect when you're going down. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Not as much of an adaptation though, but still it just depends. It always just depends, yes.

Yeah, it's one of those things. The most effective one is the one you haven't done yet. You know, that novelty effect like Mike just brought up. I mean, it's just changing something will stimulate adaptations. How Bonder Chuck said that himself. Every five years, you have to change everything. Man, I swear that the bands increased my raw bench more than anything. But it also, because I'm an idiot, it's probably what ended my career too.

But like, but my, I mean, it definitely, no doubt took my raw bench from 455 to 535. No doubt that was the only change I made was, you know, adding more and more band tension to, you know, to a without using shirt or anything. Yeah, but then I got to where I was using the green bands doubled on bench press. That's. Holy hell, Travis.

It's stupid. It's dumb, but like, I mean, I got strong, but then I blew up, you know. Yeah, did you blow out your peck tendon doing that or? I mean, like, I'm really thinking actually like, like it was part of what happened when I, you know, I fractured a cervical vertebrae. Oh,

definitely part of. That's a lot of tension to place on that, that circle of heartbreak because you're putting all that from a neck. Yeah. Oh, man, I just, I guess, yeah,

dude, you know, so, to be honest with you, probably wouldn't change anything going back. Might have just been like, okay, let's,

let's cycle this in every, you know, run this for three weeks and then out and then back in. But, you know, but we, you can't, hindsight is 20-20.

Highside is 20-20. And, you know, it's the scars on our body that make us better coaches. Yeah. So I'm trying not to do that. Yeah, I'm just trying not to hurt the next generation like I screwed myself up. Exactly. Yeah.

I'm curious. Like anecdotally, maybe I'm recognizing a pattern that doesn't even exist here. But I always felt like for me, I have a short torso, long legs, long arms. Like I'm mechanically advantaged to that lift and not so much to squat. Very good ankle dorset flex. So I can kind of go vertical, but I'm not really, I'm not really mechanically advantaged to squat with long. legs and short torso. Anyway, accommodating resistance seems to, and kind of like what some people might call power training or now velocity based training, seems to do really well for me for

increasing my squat. It helps me squat much better, but it never seemed to do much for my deadlift. I don't know if that's just me or if that's like something that's ever been noticed elsewhere, but I've never actually discussed this with anybody before. Is there any research that might validate any of that? Is that just me sensing a pattern that might not actually be reality? Yeah, that's an excellent question, and everybody is always an end of one, right? Now, I haven't ever seen anything about this, but here's what I know. Whenever somebody is short torso and they've got the long limbs, they're going to rely more on range of motion to be developing that power. And what do you have on a squat that you don't have on a deadlift?

You got a stress. Cycle. Ecentric. Ecentric. So no stretch shortening cycle at all. And to be honest, if the velocities are going, it's a lot of the velocities are going. It's not going to be much a stretch shortening cycle, but you do have that at the beginning. And then with the bands, you're going to have a bit of an over speedy-centric to apply more tension throughout there.

And that could give the nervous system one more pre-stimulus to get. So it kind of makes sense that because of that eccentric beforehand and the lengthening that's going to occur through that tissue, that you're getting more out of the squat than you do the deadlift because the deadlift is concentric home. And so you don't have that reliance for that, that any of that stretching, uh, for I would totally agree. But adding it to the RDL is all the difference in the world. That is what took my squat from 750 to 800, no doubt. Only change I made is I added bands to RDLs.

And all I did, I did a dynamic deadlift day and the heaviest I went in that entire cycle was 700 pounds. And then otherwise I did heavy as far to five by five. Travis, I never even death up to 700 pounds, you asshole. Oh, my bad. And then that was the biggest adaptation I ever had. I opened at 700, which was the 700 in training. Then I went 750, 800.

It was like the biggest jump I'd ever take it. Man, that's awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, you got the eccentric on there. The eccentric component, exactly. The only thing that I would be concerned about, especially with the lay population, is the moment forces, the torque that's going to be a play.

light at that lumbar spine. And if they have, if they have anything that keeps them from being able to lock into that position, that is a herniation waiting to happen. One hundred percent. But I was trying to be the strongest power. Oh, dude. I was it trying to be in the most healthy? Yeah.

No, I only bring that up because somebody's going to hear this and they're going to think, oh, this is a great idea. No. Dublin is not great for health. No, no. You'll get strong now. Yeah, they're training for performance and training for health are two different things. things yeah you know you watch the jesus at west side barbill and the majority of that stuff wasn't for

hell no yeah yeah i mean not even to bob evans beforehand nobody was eating healthy there you know rounded back good mornings yeah even like you watch how they even performed their their um the box squats they were just plopping down and rounding this you know flexing their spines i'm like nothing healthy about that but they i will also say that that wasn't every everybody that was just the guys that made their their goal to be the king of West Side for that day, not the king on the platform. But you look at like Tony Bologna, I mean, that dude's form was impeccable. And he got his ass whooped on most Max effort days.

But at the meets, that's where he was cleaning up. Sure. It's totally. So, you know, that just kind of comes back down to the person, too. I'm actually literally referring to my biggest rival, like Vogelpool. Oh, God. Chuck didn't do anything that looked pretty. That dude was, man, and that's one of the few people that I've ever been like,

this is going to sound horrible, but there's few people that I've ever been in the presence of where I was actually physically intimidated. And Chuck, you didn't look that put together, but holy cow, nobody said shit in that gym whenever Chuck was there. But after Chuck left, and, you know, it was Greg and Neutron, Dave Hoff, nobody knows of me of Neutron anymore. Those guys would be messing around, but man, that place was all. business when Chuck was there.

I love training there whenever Chuck was there. I love going against him. I love him. He just didn't love me because I beat him, but I love him. Man, you got to think you got to think Dana, not Dana. What's Danes' brother's name, the crazy one?

Dana Demmel's brother. Matt Demmel? You got to think Matt Demmel for that. That's because, you know, he broke Chuck's neck and he could never bench after that. So from all that nerve damage. I appreciate it because it made it easy. Yeah. That's all.

He had was a squat. He only had the squat. He could deadlift. The dude can still deadlift 815. So, like, make no mistake. That's a strong man. He was still a bad dude, man. He's a bad dude.

He looked like, he looked like a ferocious. He did. And he was in the same room and we're going out of it. It was like, it was awesome. Like, going to get him was by far my biggest. That was the most fun I had. Yeah. First time I went to West Side.

Yeah. He was 275. Like, up at like the height of his like biggest total. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. And now coach man and I worked together with Rick Perry. And like we can not see enough positive thing that Rick was the specimen of itself. And like I saw one of the offensive linemen think he was going to be cute and do a pass rush on Rick. And Rick just turned it on, you know, he threw a 300 pound man.

And I was like, that was too close to me. I don't want to be that close to humans doing that. And just watching Vogelpole pace in the back, I was like, this is what it be like to wake up in the silverback gorilla cage like I'm gonna just not make eye contact and just like hit my shit and I'm gonna talk any shit that's what he needed to do anyway he needed to go up he should not been competing against me in the first place he's taller you know no yeah he was freaking the first time I met Chuck I thought he was a skin he was skinny I know back to him to look huge and I'm like this guy's kind of skinny he was like 220 or something yeah when he was to mean at 320 he was he was he was killing himself to get down yeah he went 275 that's an unbeatable

specimen then. That is a monster of a human being. And that's where he belonged. He didn't belong. Like I was five, six and three quarters. This dude's like five, ten, five, eleven. He was giving it way too much to go against me. Yeah. Yeah. Pushman, with the power training, and I know we've had those conversations about using like the prillipin chart for like the volume you'd have folks used. Still a fan of that or would use is kind of the guiding light for folks to try this power training. Yeah, you know, I like the prolipin chart as a place to begin. And it's like the zones for athletes. It's where you start.

It's not where you end. Now, I will say it's not where you end for really good athletes that are going to be marquee. I'm not going to make big changes to guys that are never going to see the field because that takes a lot of time. And those aren't the guys that are keeping me paid. And while this sounds horrible, and I know how it sounds, but I don't want to lose my family because of putting extra. effort into a walk-ons program. I understand that. So, you know, that was that was something that I put in. And I say that knowing good and damn well that I love the walk-ons, right?

That, you know, they were a lot of the people who I would gravitate towards just to chat with after the workouts, because there were great people. But if they're not making a dent in my bottom line, I am making a mistake by spending serious time programming for them that I could spend programming for people who could help us win. And the majority of those guys aren't going to be there. Like, unfortunately, but that one that makes it is super cool story. But like, just not that many of them. Yeah, no, there isn't.

You know, we had a, at Missouri, we had a lot of guys that would have been Division II, NAA, All-Americans, and they never saw the field for us. I mean, and that's the way it was. And that was good on there for trying, you know. Yeah. Absolutely. Chasing their dreams, man. Can't hold that and hold them against that. But then you have the guy who does walk on and, you know, ends up starting. Now that's a whole different ballgame. And there's plenty of.

And we had a couple of those. Yeah. And most of the time they were just late bloomers. You know, they might have grown four inches in their senior year after the season was over. Which happens. We've seen that. And those are the diamonds in the rough that you'll get. We got plenty of those. You know, that they were athletic, but they were just a little too small to go to Tennessee or Bama. You know, you could tell them my age, right, whenever I bring those up. But, you know, and we got them. They grew. And then all of a sudden we were making an impact.

I mean, App State makes their career on those guys. Yeah. They get plenty of those dudes who are late blooms going to the NFL. You know, Matt Stevens, you know, I can name him. He walked on with me as a freshman. Now he did end up being a second round draft pick. Oh, that's crazy, man. It's awesome.

That happens. Yeah. Yeah. But the dude also had a. work ethic i've never seen in my life to the state still like yeah he went there committed he didn't care what anyone thought or said he he came out of state for one reason that was to make the nfl damn if he didn't do it that's awesome yeah love those success stories oh yeah so but you know so curious here so um growing up i was very fortunate to have a a great mentor his name

is mark real and he was friends with bud tronaga and we had all those russian texts and whatnot and so um you know talking with him back in you know, the early 2000s, plus, you know, looking at Louie stuff online with dynamic effort method and whatnot. I went back after my freshman year of college and for all of my exercises, for everything. It doesn't matter. The sit-ups, it doesn't matter. Like everything, overhead, overhead dumbbell press, every single movement for for a full 12-week block, I was just told to do between three and five reps, make sure there's zero velocity lost. So I did all fast reps for everything. I smashed all my PRs on everything.

Yeah. And so I know what I was doing. The spectrum. Yeah. Velostian went up and anything that required speed or momentum you killed. I bet your vertical jump went through the roof. Like a skill of medicine ball throw. I bet that sucker was flying.

Yeah. Yeah. All my Olympic stuff, all my power thing stuff, all my big movements. They all, they all did very, very well. I was, I was stronger than I was fast. And so I did the velocity-based training for everything. And I got better. There you go.

So that said, man. for that said, like in a program that's designed in an intelligent way these days, like to what degree are you just using velocity-based training for like the main movement of the day versus doing it for all the assistance work or somewhere in between? Man, the thing that we have to remember in life is to keep the goal of the goal. And if we get lost in the minutia, we end up with minutia. Right. So not every exercise has a has the need to have a velocity on it. It doesn't. You know, what's the vlog? I remember somebody asking me, what is the, what should the velocity of a Turkish get up or an overhead squat be?

Am I, I looked at him and I said, why? You're talking about balanced stability and coordination exercises. They're not supposed to be done fast. No. So, you know, just because you can doesn't mean you should do something. And that's, probably the complete opposite answer that I would have given you from, you know, 20 plus years ago, where it would have been, oh, no, you got to do it on everything, this, that, and the other. And it was just because I could do something. And I wasn't thinking about can and should. So I think that just a couple of exercises. If it is, are we trying to account for fatigue?

Use it. Okay. if we are trying to, if we need feedback of velocity to increase the stimulus, like on a jump squad exercise. So if it's your speed, do it. That feedback is going to help you out. Yeah. If it is a burnout day, why?

Yeah. Right. Now, unless you're wanting just to investigate what happened just because it's kind of cool, I get it. Dude, I love looking at stuff like that. But in terms of training a team with it, why? Okay. I don't think it needs to be all one way.

I don't think it needs to be all another. I think it just needs to be where it needs to be. And that's ballistic exercises for feedback. And I think that that is anything that's dynamic effort and anything that's explosive. Do it there. Everything else, let it go. I say that so confidently. But then, you know, then there's things that make you change the way that you're looking at stuff.

like that study out of Spain on the lat pull down, right? And the study in Spain found, I can't remember the authors, I just remember it was from Spain. Why do I remember that? I have no idea. But they found that the lat pull down, the power derived on the lat pulldown was the most important, or not most important,

most predictive thing of anything they had to predict swimming abilities for the strokes that are lat dominant, right? So that would be like your, your butterfly and your crawl, maybe your backstroke, I'm not a swimmer. Yeah. So I'm not the one to say on that, but definitely for the crawl and the, is that butterfly or breast? I can never remember. Butterfly.

Butterfly. Yeah. Yeah. It's great you bring that up because when we talked to one of my former athletes, Tom, Miyazka a couple weeks ago, and that's actually what we did with the Tendo to a dip belt and have him do that for those pull-ups and use that as kind of a dynamic effort day of like, okay, how fast you're concentric it is.

And I want to, for listeners at home, is remember, one of the biggest assumptions that Dr. Mann has in the background here is the athlete is technically sound at the movement. Yeah, right. We're not going for speed squats on somebody that doesn't know how to squat. Or speed dead's on somebody who's not dead.

So like, this is an athlete that he knows how to do these movements. And now we can give them that external indicator of like, when I say you're too slow, this is what I mean. And now they can see it because we've all seen the guy that tries to just plop on the box and uses a rebound for his speed squats and like, well, no, we're going to make some neurosurgeon happy because he's going to get to do another spine to help pay for that vacation home.

Right. Yeah, man. You know, one thing, everybody has to read those. Yeah. You know, the, the VBT is an intermediate training methodology, man. It's not where you start. And it's not the end all be all, right? On a continuum of A to Z is probably an H.

you know somewhere around a GH you know it is a great way to bridge the gap towards power from strength whenever strength has already been well developed and we're not really seeing much more out of strength in terms of adaptation when that slows down that's when you add VBT in you don't add it in just because it's cool you add it in because that is solving the problem or the deficiency that you have uh you know you things will work like The one example I've got for this is whenever I was in Missouri, we had this quarterback you had. I think it was five disc herniations. So he can't load his spine at all, right?

And I take him and being, because I was a graduate assistant at the time, so they gave him to the guy that didn't matter. You know, they gave the backup quarterback that didn't matter to the guy that didn't matter. And I took 0.28 seconds off of his 40 and 0.26 of it was in the first 10 yards. What we did was we towed the sled heavy. Well, what did he not been able to do for years? Load maximally. So his force into the spectrum was really low. So I take him from about 200 pounds.

Why did I expect 200 pounds? Because that was the, that was about his body weight. And between how heavy that sled was, I think it was like a plate on top of that, maybe two. And we just walked. We walked for like 30 yards, maybe 40 yards. Why? That distance? Because we had that distance.

Right? If we had longer, I might have going to. longer. And we just progressively overloaded that, right? Based upon RPE. If it was less than an eight, we added either a 25 or a 45. And he got up to the point where he was towing about 800 pounds. It was 600 pounds of weight on the sled plus a 200 pound safety sitting on top of it. So we saw a huge improvement in strike. He saw a huge improvement in speed. So of course, what is Coach I think? Yeah, he has everybody do it. And what do they see? Not everybody saw the same improvements because you're like efficiency.

Yeah. You know, it's like it comes back to specificity. And that's, you know, between progressive overload and specificity, you look at those two principles and you can figure out how to elicit in any adaptation. Right. Right. If people just knew those two concepts, you would see a lot less mistakes in the way. Yeah.

It's too bad that people don't know those two. The set principle is so important. Yeah, you know, the reason you understand science and physiology, I talked to this with my grad students the other day. It's like, why do we have to learn physiology in such detail? It's so you have a better BS detector. Point blank. You are there. I still remember that there was this device.

I'm going to leave it out and leave it nameless. But I will talk about the claim that they used. It was a STEM device that they claimed that by using this STEM device, people spontaneously regrow their ACL. Where the hell does the electrical current come in and that tissue remodeling process? It doesn't. It doesn't. At all. And some people got duped by it and spent a lot of money on this thing.

And if we would have stopped it. Well, that's their fault. Yeah, I know. And you know what? Whenever you're the young one on staff, you can't say anything. You know, and nobody's going to believe you. And there was a very, very prominent person who I'm also remaining nameless to not embarrass them. That was also promoting this thing.

that's why they believed it. It's like, well, if he's saying it, then it's got to be real. Yeah, you know, it's probably what's real is the money that's going into his bank account every time one of these things gets sold. You know? And yeah, so, you know, and I take issue with that. That's that's charlatanism. And I will never, I will never ever do that. Yeah. I submit. You know, that doesn't, you know, doesn't work. I won't do that. Man, I had a company offer me a percentage of the company. And sometimes I think, throw up in my mouth when I see what it sold for and knowing how much I would have made on that,

you know, screw, assuming that I didn't get, you know, screwed out of the money somehow. And it makes me throw up in my mouth, but by God, I can still look myself in the mirror in the morning. Exactly. My ethics means so much to me, man. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, damn, I didn't know I had that much integrity.

So, yeah. You do. Thank God you do. I hope you will love you. Well, speaking of cool devices, there's many cool devices out of that measure velocity very effectively, but closing out the show. here like if you don't have one of those devices but you still want to do some velocity-based training play with it you're already sufficiently strong and you want to want to experiment but you don't

have something measuring the exact barbell speed like what do you do what's like an easy way to again jump into the arena here and try it out without any technology under your belt well what are we referring what are we meaning is technology what can i use here as a proxy what would be something that's be like layperson inexpensive that they already already have access to to to measure velocity and it would be good like entry level model if they were to buy something specific just to measure velocity. Yeah, well, so let's take it a couple of different ways.

We can old school it, and we remember that velocity is displacement divided by time. So we can just get a stopwatch out there and time the repetitions. And, you know, there was something, Louie always had two reps of squats in three seconds or three reps of bench in three seconds. there was a man there was this like explosive training for sport book by a guy named

hmm i want to say drabick but i can't remember if that was the explosive book or if that was the youth training book uh i get those two mixed up and i get them mixed up because rick bought both of them at the same time and the same trip to out to i'm really sure he did you i'm i'm thinking so it had like a a picture of a guy boxing on the cover and it was yellow and had it framed out. Can't remember. But I believe it was five squat jumps and seven seconds there that they use. So that's just a couple of ways using just a stopwatch.

Now beyond that, if we realize that if we have a known reference distance, a known reference, we can use that to estimate difference distance on a camera, like a 45 pound plate is about, what, 18 inches? So if we train the device on that, we can get something that's okay with velocity. Yeah, I would even say super close, but I would just say okay because it's 30 frames per second, right? And that's kind of Bushley. That's half of what a linear position transducer uses for the cheapest ones, right? They're at 60.

So that 30 frames per second is you got it? And that might be your, that might be your marijuana VBT, right? Your gateway drug there. And so you could use one of the apps. What app to use? I'm not the person to ask that. Now, there was, I've got Jim Aware's. So I'm not going to go use apps.

I'm not going to go use something that's not as good. If I've got something that, while it's not gold standard, it's on par with. It's been tested against the gold standard and have an R squared in the point. 9s at least whenever I did it. Okay. So I would definitely use one of those apps. I know that the was it my Lyft app, my lit jump lab or something like that from Carlos Balsabore has been, it's been through the ringer a couple of times. And I don't remember if all of the results were positive, but I do that know that several of the studies showed favorable results there. I'm not saying it's 100% on, but it's it's good enough for government work. Right. So that's a place that they could

start or they could start with a stopwatch. And then if you wanted to spend a couple hundred bucks, there is, oh my God, it used to rep one, I believe is what it's called. Oh, I don't have it in here. Somebody, I know exactly who took it. But it's another linear position transducer that has a X-axis correction. To me, if a unit doesn't have X-axis correction, I don't want to mess with it because you're measuring hypotenuse instead of vertical access. And then, so then you just lead to a lot of confusion. That, that leads to a lot of red herrings because if I think I'm measuring A, but I'm measuring B, I can't make decisions on A by what happened at B. So it just just a quick. He's moving. Quick interjection, X is front to back. Why is the only

thing we want straight up and down. So Jamoares will do the calculations. You don't have to be perfectly on top of it. Because when you're talking about the gold standard of a linear position transducer, those things suck because you have to have the athlete perfectly lined up with the sensor. And if they have natural displacement of going forward backwards in the movement, everybody's going to throw it. Like, so just be reliable. Do the same setup every time. Yeah. Because at least then you're doing an apples, apples thing. Sorry to interject, Dr. Man. No, you're good. Mike. I appreciate that. And I like the X-axis correction because I got multiple herniated discs. And whenever I was binning over every day, million times a day to adjust it for the

squat or the clean, I had to go lay on the floor with my legs up on the wall, right? Because my back was so jacked up by the end of it. So I'm never doing anything without X-axis correction again. Call me lazy all you want. But, you know, I'd rather be lazy and be right than be. Exactly. I'm glad to call you correct. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Well, very cool. Your name has come up on the show many times. So I was stoked to talk to you today. So I appreciate you being here. If you want to learn more about you. Yeah.

Yeah. Hey, anytime you guys want me back, you know, it was fun. So let me know. We need a part two for sure. Yeah. If people want to learn more about your work, where can they go to find more social media, websites, etc. Well, excellent segue here because I don't think, well, I don't think track. Well, I think I might have mentioned this to Mike and Travis.

I am maybe a week away for having a website up. So it's the same with all of my. socials is just jbrienman.com and then Brian is with a Y. It is education. So what I've been doing for the past 14 weeks is taking three topics that it started out as just being related to the CSCS exam, but it's starting to kind of pile out from just the pilot stuff that we've been doing. And I go an inch wide and a mile deep on a very, very minute width topic. You know, so like today it was electrolytes and cramping.

It was the peak power, you know, at the two different lifts, which is why I was all fired up about that. And then the third one had to do with static stretching and how long it took for the force to return, you know, should you not static stretch beforehand. So, you know, that stuff is all three a week. So right now we're sitting at 42, hopefully I'll have maybe 45. before it's up so everybody has a library that they can go to for one cost and then for the other cost they can ask me the questions that I go over right and then they can be on the Zoom and interact with me and get further discussion and clarification as we're running through it so hopefully that should be up in a week or two I think right now we're just getting pictures right in a couple of

things you click on takes you the wrong spot but otherwise Jay Brian Mann on on any of the social medias that I am on, that that's it. I can't be creative because I've had too many concussions. And, you know, if people want to get at me, don't email me, hit me up on social media. I get 300 emails a day, but I might get like one DM, two DMs a week. So that's really the easiest place to get a hold of me is on social media. If you email me, the chance it's hit or miss. if it happens to come in while I'm sitting here at my desk and I see the name pop up with the subject line and everything, oftentimes they'll open it.

But whenever it's 300 deep, brother, I'm just, I'm scrolling through on the things that I need to hit immediately. I know it pisses people off. I'm sorry. I can't do anything else about it. I've been using co-pilot to try and increase it, but dog, it's just going to stuff's going to get missed, man. Hit me at me again if it's important. Sure. Well, this show is probably going to be up.

Just over a week, so your website might be up by then. What was the URL for that again? Just j-brienman.com. J-B-R-Y-A-N-M-A-N-N.com. It was there, so I took it. Beautiful. Well, right on. Again, I appreciate you coming on the show.

Thank you. Coach Travis Mass had to take off a little bit early. So he's out. Go to Coach Travis Mash. What was it? Mashley. Mashleet. No, no, Coach Travis Mash on Instagram is his personal.

Yes, yes. Yeah. Mashelet.com is a website. There you go. Thank you so much. Dr. Mike Lane, what about yourself? Yeah, so just come say hi on, yeah, Mike Lane, PhD on Instagram. Otherwise, I like my relatively low profile. And Dr. Mann, thank you so much for coming out today.

And those of you guys, if you get to meet him in person, you should ask me about Remington's because that might explain some of the concussions. And that's all I will say about that. Yeah, a couple of them work from there. All right, very cool. I am Doug Larsson. You can follow me on Instagram at Douglas Lee Larsson. We are Barbill Strugg.

You can follow us at Barbell underscore Strug. And if you're on work with Coach Travis Mass, Dr. Mike Lane, Dr. Andy Galpin, and the whole team at Biomolecular Athlete, you can go through BiomolecularAthlete.com. Friends, we'll see you guys next week.