Barbell Shrugged - 91- Bas Rutten Former UFC Champion

Episode Date: November 20, 2013

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This week on Barbell Shrugged, we interview former UFC heavyweight champion, Boss Rudin, and he's going to teach us how to win a bar fight. Hey, this is Rich Froning. You're listening to Barbell Shrugged. For the video version, go to barbellshrugged.com. Welcome to Barbell Shrugged. I'm Mike Bledsoe here with Doug Larson. We have Andy Galpin with us, Dr. Andy Galpin from Cal State Fullerton.

He was on episode, which one? CTV? 19. Episode 19 he joined us. So we're back out in California and he decided to jump in with us. And he's introducing us to Mr. Boss Rutten. Pow! A.K.A. El Guapo.

El Guapo. That's right. That's right. That's it. You'll probably, by the end of this podcast, you're going to want to go online and just YouTube Boss Rootin. Just watch him beat the snot out of people and watch him teach you how to win bar fights and all that kind of stuff. This is why we have him on the show he's he's an entertaining hardcore dude from the netherlands and if anybody's not familiar you can look at the wall right there and see boss's big ufc heavyweight title right there he was one of

the first you've seen he was actually the logo you know the thing is no no that's that that's a myth really fast what I did my note like just six months ago or something that I was actually the first heavyweight champion because it was before it was no weight classes then they created two weight classes 200 another 200 and over and then I became the champion so they said you know that you were the first you see yeah all right before we get too far into it make sure you go to barbell shrug calm sign first UFC champion. Because I thought, they go, really? That's so cool. That's so cool. Yeah. All right, before we get too far into it, make sure you go to barbellshrug.com,

sign up for the newsletter, and we'll notify you when we're doing cool stuff like this. Da, da, da. There you go. All right, Sebastian,

can you give everyone in the audience that doesn't know who you are, doesn't follow MMA, because it's mostly CrossFit people that listen to this podcast,

kind of your background and kind of where you came from, especially like when you were younger and you weren't quite the UFC champion type when you were a little kid and then kind of talk about how you got through your whole career.

Wow, we have some time here, right? We do, we do. Okay, in a nutshell, and it's still going to be long. I was born when I was born. I was covered in eczema, and that went away for some reason. At four, I got rheumatic fever. At five, I stayed in the hospital for four months for that, for rheumatic fever, which

they thought it was something that was the best, this was actually the best outcome for me. Then at six I moved to a little village, Volkenswaard, I don't even want to spell it. And there my asthma came up and eczema. I was covered in eczema, everywhere in my face, in my hands. And if I didn't have eczema, I had asthma real bad. Would lay in bed, not able to eat because I couldn't breathe.

But at the time already, I was always an athlete. My whole family, from my dad's side, athletes. So I did track and field. We had also a forest in our, yeah pretty much in front of our home, which it was a huge forest and one row of trees would go to that forest. I was able to jump in the first tree, swing from the top to the top, go to the other one. Then at the end I had to jump on a horse table. That was the only way I had to jump down one time. Then the next tree, when I would get in,

I could pretty much go through the whole tree. That was my way of dealing with myself because nobody wants to hang out with me, of course, because of my disease they think is contagious. And if bullies came, I just climbed in a tree and then I let them climb and almost when they were there, I started swinging and I went to the other side. So I did that pretty much every day, all day,

climbing on rooftops. I wanted to be Spider-Man. That was my hero, Wolverine and Spider-Man. Did they have a Dutch Spider-Man? No, no. Actually, when you read it, yes. But it's still a twit when he shoots a web. Twit. You see? So they keep the sound the same. So you were getting bullied a lot when you were a kid? Yeah, I did. You know, yeah, well, just outcasted more. But it didn't really bother me because I really lived in the trees.

I really liked it there. You know, I had a home tree, which was a tree with like five big branches starting at one point. And I was always there. I would eat acorns. I was the weirdest kid ever. You were like a human squirrel. Yeah, I loved it, I loved it. By myself, jumping around, doing all the stuff. And when Track and Field started,

I realized that I did really good at Track and Field. I still hold some records there actually from when I was a little kid, I hear. And I started getting good at high jump, javelin, discus, shot put. So I said, oh, be careful. At that time, it was Bruce Jenner. I wanted to become the Dutch Bruce Jenner, you know, the Olympic gold medalist.

What I realized is my running was not so good, of course, because of my asthma. But I realized every time after an asthma attack, if I had an asthma attack, I would, for some reason, if I restarted my track and field, I would run better. And I'll talk about that later. That's how I created an idea for a lung training device, actually. Anyway, it went on. I started growing out of my disease around 17.

Had two other guys that got bullied. We all became friends. One guy had a big head. The other guy was a fat guy. We all became friends. One guy had a big head. The other was a fat guy. He started, we all started training. He became stronger and stronger. Actually started boxing, putting on some fights. The other guy started growing.

So he became tall, so the head proportion-wise was not okay. And we became the champions. We are the champions, we would shout. And we had a list of people that we didn't like, who all bullied us. So we'd just go up to them, smack them in the face. And that was it. I did not really beat them up. Sometimes just a smack.

Boom. You know what that is for. Okay. This is after you knew martial arts? No, this is before martial arts. Because when he started boxing, I started slipping into his boxing classes also. My parents are very against martial arts. They think it's violence.

I actually, this is, you see, it's hard to keep track of all the stuff I did. At 12 years old, I saw Bruce Lee, I believe it was in 76, in 77, in France on a holiday holiday and i saw enter the dragon and i go that is the answer if i'm like him nobody's gonna mess with me anymore so then i begged for two years to finally let me do taekwondo at the time there was a taekwondo and my neighbor she was a very pretty girl she had the tough boyfriend he was taekwondo kind of took me under the wing and they i went to the gym there. And then within six weeks, two months, I was beating up the brown belts there,

you know, the grownups. And I heard the grownups talk about me, so my confidence started getting bigger, and then I got in a fight with the biggest bullion fighter, Shucky was his name. And they came on their bikes and they said something, this time I said something back. And they started laughing, they turned around,

and I just stopped my bike, put it the stand and I was just waiting and then the toughest guy he walked over to me and started hitting me in the chest you know the bumping chest I was at the time the kids and I dropped him one shot boom he's out problem was his nose broke said to go to the hospital police showed up at the front door no more martial arts and then at 21 I moved out of the house. And I mean, the next day I signed up. Taekwondo. Then I realized, oh, no low kicks.

Oh, start karate. And then I said, okay, but I want to also kick the head. I'll do Thai boxing. So everything I started doing pretty much at the same time. And Thai boxing, my first class got introduced to liver shot, which later became my trademark, you know, hitting the body with the right side of the body. I just like hearing you say, liver shot.

If I say liver shot, a lot of people drink a shot, so liver shot, liver shot, liver shot. You got to drink four now. Shot in the liver. And that's pretty much it. I started Thai boxing, racked up a real good record, really fast, really smooth, a lot of knockouts, first round, everybody went down,

and only one second round, you know? And I started doing shows, then I started bouncing, and after, yeah, I'm telling you, this is a story, it's quite a story. Four years of bouncing, which is not good for your stamina, I wanna say, because in Holland, they close at five, and then the bouncers go out. Oh.

Oh. So it's not the healthiest lifestyle we had. And then apparently, at New Year's, I said yes to fight this really good guy who was in prison, who came out of prison, Frank the Animal Lawman, was like 51 and 0 with like 47 knockouts and there was kickboxing there was kickboxing

Thai boxing and then they they called me in February I remember and they asked me where to send the posters to and I go what posters

they said from the fight I said what fight they said your fight I said who am I fighting Frank Lottman I said who said that you know he said

you said that I said when he says the New Year's. I was drunk, dude. I don't even remember saying this. But I thought everybody's going to say, oh, he's afraid. He's had a lot of knockouts. I go, okay, the guy was a deal, maybe, you know, but he was an animal. And it didn't go well.

I ran out of gas. I had to stop at the first round, and I got a lot of negativity from older people. You see, I always told that he couldn't fight. So I was kind of done with it. I fought another guy. Also, same deal here. Long story. They released me from jail a day before the fight. That's also not a smart thing to do. I wasn't in jail jail. I was at the police station because a friend of mine got really beat up. He had his jaw sawed together. So we went looking for the guys who did it you know and that of course when something happened anyway i lost that fight also also because of stamina i dropped him though three

times in the first round but then i couldn't come out of the second round then i had another fight and we're looking for the footage right now you have to see this to believe it we're fighting this guy's name is renee rosa i think ryan maybe knows him he's a tall guy and he's known as a dirty fighter and i beat the crap out of him in the first round right so first round is over second round i come out i go hit him again it's very tough and it's in the clinch and he starts biting my ear and i go let go man let go now he i brought all my bouncer friends from the from the south he brought like the hell's angels and his bouncer friends from from. There's Hells Angels in Amsterdam? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

I thought that was an American thing. No, no, no, no, they're in Europe there, and they're heavy duty Europe there. Wow. So this guy keeps biting, keeps biting, and I tell him, I say, let go, let go, let go, and so in the fight you see me loading up my knee, and I go full in the pills.

The guy goes up two inches, he goes down, I try to hit him again but the referee pulls me up everybody starts fighting they throw a chair in the ring it on core hammers this is the best on my trainers back yeah it flies over me and it lands on on four legs and you see me I saw the tape you see the flight things like ding ding ding ding it lands and look back, I sit down in the chair, and everybody's fighting. And suddenly, our guys are standing there.

It was like, so everybody was against me, they didn't know what he was doing, but then they saw my ear, he actually bit straight through my ear. So as I did, look at my ear, he bit in my ear, so then everybody calmed down, And they knew why I did it. Anyway, that was it for me. Didn't want to Thai box anymore.

Started doing mixed martial arts shows on music. Like on TV box. We started in a disco or in a nightclub. And then we would be the act at midnight. And we would come up and do all the cool stuff with n trucks and sticks and bows and and and break test and I would kick cigarettes out of his mouth and cups of his head I was spinning back kicks jumping you know and that caught on and suddenly we start doing it for bigger events and and suddenly we went we asked for a European TV we started

traveling went to France did shows over there and on one of those shows was Chris Dolman who is a guy from Rings it was an organization in Japan and he saw me, you know, we would walk up with a cartwheel and then an Arabian flip-flop and then that's how we would walk up to the Rings he said, dude, you guys got some crazy abilities, you know, you have to think

about free fighting, that's what they called it at the time well I would like to check out, I went to check out a class I got destroyed, I had to to check out. I went to check out a class, I got destroyed. I had to stop my car next to the road for, I called my wife, I said, listen, I'm in the car, I'm sleeping, when I feel better, I come, okay? She's laughing.

And the next day she said, oh, so that's it for you? I said, no, no, no, no, no. I said, I'll get back there within three or six months. I cleaned the whole club out, you watch, you know? So because I had revenge on my mind. Got a few injuries, suddenly got a phone call, and the phone call was, Chris Dolman, boss, you gotta jump in the car.

There's Japanese people here looking for new, for a new organization, for fighters for a new organization. And it was weird because they never picked up my phone and the answering machine wasn't working. But for some reason I picked it up, jumped in the car, went to Amsterdam, got in a brawl with one of those rings guys because they were filming so he wanted to hurt me I guess so I knocked him out but it really cool it was a high gig and I had a big little stitches here so he had to go to the hospital and I

saw those for Naki and Suzuki were there and I saw them pointing at me and I was in and I think two months later, this is in, well, it just happened. September 21st. September 21st, that was 20 years ago. Oh, wow. I fought there. Dropped a guy, put him in a coma for two days. And the next day, people started bowing to me on the street.

It was the wildest thing. Putting babies in my hand. You're a hero. It was the craziest thing. putting babies in my hand it was the greatest thing I've been up a Japanese guy and everybody loved me it was like unheard of in a hauling you do that you better get security they're gonna try to kill you I think the super interesting thing about bosses you were the one of the first people to start training in multiple and this is sort of

where your story was going it was you were really good kickboxing and then when you started fighting these guys that were wrestlers what not you had problems so yeah one of the first people to incorporate that and i believe one of the first people to incorporate strength and conditioning and things like that into your program stuff and so really a game changer of changing i think this is sort of the same thing with a lot of crossfitters having a problem so how do i train for this and this and this and i got to get my boxing into my wrestling and my lifting and my cardio and stuff like that. And you were absolutely one of the first guys to sort of pioneer that type of stuff in the MMA stuff.

The only thing I didn't do, and I think that made my career a little longer, was wrestling. So I figured if I just become really good on the ground, you know, after my last loss against Ken Shamrock, I started getting, I had no training partner. You have to understand, I trained on the back for the first year and a half. You know, I would spar my own student. I

did two times a day, 12 rounds on the back as hard as I could. So when I would spar my students, I would think I would jab them, but they would drop, you know, and I got like, so I didn't really want to, you know, hurt anybody. Then after the last loss, I get very vocal. I found this one guy, Leon Van Dyke, and he, he was an incredibly strong kid. He did 125 kilo curls. What? And I talk about 280 pounds or something. Bizarre story. If I would get him in an armbar, I literally had to do everything in my power because he

would simply curl out. I know what that feels like. No, that was simple. That's right. But, you know, and we started training. And thankfully, he was 19 years old, picked up really fast as well. And we were just watching tapes. Just watching fights, watching tapes, and trying to make it better. Because I saw the gi, I thought

the gi, that's a lot of restriction, so maybe there's room for improvement here, room for improvement there. I would get him two times in the submission, three times in the same submission, then he would know the setup. So then I created a different setup, and did the same thing again happen. So I created another different setup, and then I started jumping those different setups from one to three, three to two, boom, and then suddenly one hit. And then we started doing it with everything. My whole house was full with little post-its and combinations and it was like I got totally sucked into the ground game. And then I won my next eight fights by submission. One of them was my decision

against Frank, but I controlled him with my submission game. So now it was like, whoa, what are we going to do now? Are we going to stand or are we going to go to the ground with the guy? That was my changer in life, yeah, in MMA. What were you guys doing for strength and conditioning back then? Were you just going for runs or did you lift weights at all? You know what? Everything I came up with myself, I was so stupid.

And I never, food I never did. I used to do nine one-arm pull-ups. I was just really strong at the time. I could eat whatever I wanted. It was the weirdest thing. And I over-trained myself one time. Went all the way to 4% body fat. I passed out doing rounds on the back. Because I didn't know that when you rest, you actually get stronger.

So I trained every day, two times a day. Everything. This is ridiculous stuff, but that's common, yeah. So then when I found that out, I suddenly got much more stronger. I go, whoa, this is crazy. And then I start incorporating everything, high repetition, 30 seconds or 50 seconds.

We had 12 systems, 12 stations. And I will do for 50 seconds. We had 12 systems, 12, how do you say, stations. And I would do for 50 seconds. We do full blast because after 30 it really starts. 30 is always the mark when the legged acid starts, right?

Press more out, press more out, and 10 seconds to go to the next exercise, do the same thing, and we would do that three times with a minute break. So a 36,

38 minute workout. And that was, and then later I started incorporating like a pushing, pulling exercise, stamina, kicking it back. Pushing, pulling, stamina. You know, so every time

two different muscle groups. So you could go full power all the time and with a stamina exercise in between. And that was it. And that I think made us just super strong. We tried to do always more than 25 repetitions. Before you said you ran out of gas and those were the fights that you lost.

Like, did you just go out too hard on those fights and then kind of like go out too hard too fast and then fall off early? Or were they just simply in better shape than you, but you were also in good condition at the time? Oh, no, no. In the Thai boxing, I was, I had no control. I was a hothead.

You know, I get hit. I think it was also the negative, I pick up negativity from people and everything. And the crowd is a different crowd. Every punch, when you see me making a punch in my Thai boxing matches, my face is like, you know, I'm trying to kill the guy. And so I just shut everything out. I just blew up.

I got fast twitch fibers. I better get really good stamina. One time I was at the police station and they allowed me a day before what's that an infected testicle like a huge thing that was burning and I was killing me I'm not kidding I don't know what say no as a bunch of guys people had it was apparently something that was in the air. And it was not only my friends, it was not like this. That's what I'd say to my wife.

It was not because we shared fluids. In the air. But you know what happened? When I came to Japan, everybody was so calm, and that calmed me down. And in Japan, I realized when I arrived there, there were no rounds. I thought there were going to be rounds. This is for pride? This is for pancreas. Okay.

And they say, I said, okay, so first I see my opponent is 245 pounds. I'm like 200 pounds at the time. I go like, there's no weight classes. They go, no, there's no weight classes. I go, okay, cool, cool, cool.

I said, how many rounds you got? One. One. Great. How many minutes? 30. Great, great, great, great. Inside I'm going,

what the fuck? Oh my God. So I go to my manager. Inside I'm going, what the fuck? Oh my God. So I go to my manager. Can I talk to you for a second? What's going on here? So I put these R's on my hand. That stands for rustig in Holland, because that starts with the same as relax.

It's the same word. So my corner, I never had a corner. I'm a manager there. I never had somebody to train me, so I'm there. The only thing you hear him say is, when I get hit, stay calm, stay calm. You'll get him back. Breathe. You know, that was the only instruction I needed the whole time.

But for some reason, when I started fighting in Japan, it was like I was so calm and calculated and relaxed. When I went back the next month, I had already a fight the next month, they gave me the magazines from the first one, and you see me, like, he gives me a kick to the body. You see me just standing with my face relaxed. I'm hitting him, my face is relaxed. And I go, wow, I was a totally different person. And I think it's because of the crowd.

They're so quiet. They actually know and understand that the person in there is the guy who knows it and not them. The rest of the world, it's a different story. Punch him in the face. Yeah. I thought about that. That was on my list.

Put your shit in his eye. I heard the stupidest things, man. It's so crazy. So you were talking about getting in a lot of fights outside the ring as well and you kind of have like your your famous fight that you mentioned on the Joe Rogan podcast where you fought with a multiple bouncers can you kind of tell tell the audience briefly about that fight was that the toughest bar fight you've had oh yeah you know it was it's yeah yeah no it was because it's got scary at the end it really got because I'm as if a normal bar fight's got scary at the end. It's really got, because I'm... As if a normal bar fight's not scary.

Yeah. Yeah, well, if you've got one guy, it takes about 0.2 seconds, right? You only have to connect and it's over. Right. You know? I mean, these people on the street that come, that are non-fighters,

it's like me coming to Kobe Bryant and say, hey, let's shoot some hoops together, man. Sure. Yeah, I guess he's going to win. Right. You know, we're doing this our whole lives, and this guy with karate, whatever he does, is not going to do it. He's not going to do it.

And there's no disrespect to karate. I have my second degree in there. And the second degree in taekwondo as well. It's just not fighting. Or you've got to do like the Kikushin guys who also compete in Thai boxing. And like George St-Pierre. There's some guys out there who actually do it. I heard you got your one level up,

you got, I wanna say your fifth degree black belt in karate after you broke someone's shin doing an inverted heel hook, is that real? That's real, yeah, because I walked on the street the day before the fight, that was still early in my career. And we hear suddenly, we hear a big voice going, hybrid wrestling, mangroves, and that was the preview for the show next week, so we looked to the side,

and there is this giant screen, right? The first thing we see is me knocking out a dude the guy my first fight the guy go away go yeah he's still watching and there's this one moment and and john blooming he's the 10th degree kikushin the highest one in europe under mazo yama and um and he was standing next to me and i see this guy in this half guard and the leg is over he grabs the heel and he falls back and I go oh

I look at him and I say that's a cool move you know so the next day I'm in the fight and I happen to be in that position so I go oh

my salt Ryan so I grabbed the foot but since I never did it I had no clue what kind of force I would put on this guy so I locked it up and I let my body

drop backwards and we hear a snap. Now, normally it's the knee that gives up, because you rotate your lower leg, and you flip it 90 degrees to the side. So he stands up, and he feels his knee, and he grabs the rope, you know, it was a rope escape, and he feels his knee,

and he goes, no, no, it's okay, I can fight. And I go, that was weird, because I heard a pop, you know. Because you see me go, pop, and I let go. Then we start again, and he kicks me with his leg. I always just take the kicks, you know. I put my foot flat down. And he hits the inside of my thigh. And then when he puts his foot down, you see the leg bone.

Yeah, so what happened, the first thing, the first thing that would happen was his shin bone went half. And I think it was still a little attached. And when it kicked, he finished it off yeah yeah that was the only one that i i felt really pretty much really bad about because about that yeah yeah yeah he was 13 months out he was eight months in the hospital got an infection in there i went to look him up man i felt so horrible poor guy yeah so how did the bar fight in Sweden go? We're just minding our own. That's the important stuff.

No, it's just, you know, I'm always a happy drunk. I'm just jumping around. I have to say this to set this up because it's always fun to hear. My wife doesn't think it is, but I talk to my wife just before the bar fight happens. And I'm already drunk. And she goes, oh, are you having fun? I say, oh, no, no, no, no. You're there with two Swedish blonde girls, right?

I said, don't worry about it. I'm just having a good time. Okay. I know that drill. We go in the bar. And suddenly I'm jumping around, doing crazy stuff. I'm with a guy.

And then I was drunk. And I wanted to drag from a cigarette for some reason. And I see a guy walking with a cigarette. He holds up like this and I go no no no he says uh it's my secret I said oh wait wait he said give back so I gave him like five bucks I said I just he said no no walk with me and I'll get you another cigarette later I realized ah there's something in that cigarette of course you know sure so I walk with the guy. He orders a drink for me. And we're standing there. And boom, he bounces around me. And they grab me.

They pull me through a big door. There's a big marble fire escape going down the stairs. And right away, a little guy in front of me with a big guy behind him. And he started to me, listen, you do this. I say, OK. I'm leaving. Don't worry. Don't touch me.

You know, I'm no problem. I will leave. Tell me where to go. I don't want any trouble. He says, listen, my boomer. I said, listen, I told you before. Don't touch me. I'm going to go.

I don't want any trouble. Can you do me a favor, though? I got my buddy here. He's from Holland also. He has no clue where I am. He's also bald. You'll recognize him. Can you tell him that I'm leaving?

So right away when I want to leave the fire staff, the big guy jumps over me and he puts a finger in my eye. I go, dude, guys, I don't want any trouble. Fuck, in my other eye. And that's when I knocked him out. Then all hell broke loose because they had these little microphones. They called the autobounces, you know, and everybody's coming. And that's when the big fight started, man. It was crazy. And because the one guy I dropped know, and everybody's coming. And that's when the big fight started, man. It was crazy, and I dropped,

because the one guy I dropped first, he was out. I thought, I saw his face swell up in seconds. It was really weird, everything. I heard his voice over the music, and then the other guy comes, I pulled the jacket, I believe, over him, because he was wearing a leather jacket, and I stood knee-gagging him, and then out of, but what happens, you knock this guy out, this guy out, this guy out, I pulled the jacket, I believe, over him because it was a leather jacket that I had to knee him.

But what happens, you knock this guy out, this guy out, this guy out, but they all wake up again, you know? And now they're more angry. So you keep fighting. And I was in good shape, but I go, you start thinking while you're going down, I go, this is a fire stairs, I got to go down because I can get out there, you know? Because eventually I'm going to lose this.

These guys keep coming back. And it's like I told on the Joe Rogan podcast, I still don't know where it is. I hope somebody makes a picture of it one time. Maybe a Swede, they will do me this favor. In the wall was a piece in the wall, a hole, but you know, nice, it was made for it. And there were broomsticks there.

And it was standing behind a little fence, but you could pick them out like that. And I'm boom and I lose my balance boom I'm standing here and I grab a stick and I pull it out but then I think no because if I do they gotta grab one you know and I keep going and while I keep going I heard the sound from these freakin sticks coming out they thing. Oh, it's crazy. So finally I came down. And, you know, I mean, it was crazy. And I grabbed, I remember exactly how it looked.

It was one of those clip things, the copper set. I clip and it's closed. And I'm turning around and there they are. And I go, okay, now I'm going to slap. What can I say? Now I'm going to kick the ball. I'm going to go. now I'm going to step, what can I say, you know, I'm going to kick the ball, I'm going to go, now I'm going to go to town, you know, really do some damage. And at the moment I look at them, everybody, they all step back

and I go, fuck, cool, they can see I'm in business. But behind me was the whole police force. And that's why they stepped back. I wasn't cool at all. And then the police arrested me because apparently one of those guys was a cop. So I knocked out a cop. You know, and that became a big problem. But the jail, they didn't let me make my phone call. The next day they didn't make my phone call. They brought me to a different jail,

which was like in a mountain, really weird. You know, you go in an elevator, one, two stories up, you go out, three up, then you go four down in a different one. I go, dude, I'm never gonna come out here. This is crazy, but all these guards, they were fans. So they, I had right away a VCR, they can bring me coffee.

They were sitting in my cell, talking to me, having fun. If they didn't know you, you would've never left there. They, listen, I got the lawyer coming, the lawyer, and he said, I said, so why don't I get out? I got to do a seminar tomorrow. He says, oh, you're gonna be here six to nine months. I said, excuse me, what was that? Six to nine months, he said, you knocked out a cop.

I said, he never told me it was a cop. Yeah, I mean, just attacking a guy who's attacking me, right? So I'm there, make the first phone call. Called my wife, she said, of course, she's freaking out now by this time. Go, honey, relax, I'm good. I said, get some good and bad news. What do you want to hear first?

And she says, the good news. I say, I'll did a fuck two Swedish girls. What is the bad news? I said, I mean, chill. She goes, you think that is funny? So I had to do it. All the gods laughing, you know. And that was it.

And then my friends, thankfully, had a good friend in Sweden. They had a good talk with the bouncers. And they drew back their charges. And then in court, I went to court, and they said, get out of the country and don't come back. I actually came back two months later because I felt so bad. All the people came there from all of Scandinavia for the seminar. So I told them, listen, I'm going to come back. I'm going to do it for free. You don't have to pay anything. And this one is going to be on me. So we went

back. And then after, the place was called the Spy Bar. After the seminar, I said, okay, guys, tonight, nine o'clock, everybody at Spy Bar? No, no, no. You know what? And later, I heard, I just got an email about six months ago, the main guy from that bar worked for somebody. And they literally were instructed to do those kind of things. They had famous people. He apparently was crying on TV,

famous people for four years in jail who were innocent and they just all said they weren't And that was I can see When I when I did is also the whole I had the whole Swedish Stockholm everybody was behind me because they knew that bar was always they called him the mafia bounces Everybody got beat up there all the time So but it was scary. It was scary at that now. It's you know Now it's fun because I came out alive. But it was really scary. At the end, you go, I go, the guy who took my eye out and I knocked him out. I mean, every time during the fight, he was still going for my eyes. So I go, there's

other moments that you think, shall I play like I'm knocked out? No, because that guy's going to take my eyes out. There's so much going through your head so fast. It's the wildest thing, you know? A lot of decisions in a very short amount of time. Is that what inspired you to make your bar fighting? No, I did that before. Listen, I have on my phone, I have a newspaper article from the cover of the Swedish Post, I believe,

and it says, dirty, rotten fights or something, and then it's a picture of my street fighting DVD and then the bouncer saying we were happy to police came because they couldn't handle me and then the roof my freaking sales shut up you know but that's later again later again it was not fun at the time you know yeah you gotta check it out like I said if you guys have some time Oh my god, this is freaking awesome. But that's later again. Later again. It was not fun at the time. Yeah, you've got to check it out. Like I said, if you guys have some time to kill on YouTube,

and you look up bosses, call them self-defense techniques. Bosses in bar fights. Bosses in bar fights. Oh my god. They're unbelievable. This is the... You know, is this down a little bit? There's the whole article they put out there

but they added you also made a TV show about that later where you yeah Punk Payback we did that I actually thought

people would like it more but it changed it also in mid season to a different day but the people who are watching it you know

and Canada was a big hit and Australia I believe at this time it was I thought it was hilarious it was non scripted he essentially took videos of people getting beat up in different scenarios or something,

and then he went through the exact scenario and showed people, this is how I would have defended it. Oh, wow. Stuff like that. He's like, here, I shouldn't eat him in the nuts here. And he just gouges his eye there and stuff. Oh, it's hilarious. It's really funny.

Like they hijack a van. I say, okay, this is what you do. So they put Boss in a van and he beats somebody up trying to hijack him and stuff. It's really funny. Yeah, I thought it was hilarious hilarious but i always laugh about my own sometimes my wife i can laugh like eight or nine times i'm sitting in the office and she's in the kitchen and suddenly i start laughing again and she goes are you still laughing about the same joke you know i keep i think a lot of stuff is funny i have just a good time with pretty much

anything cool all right let's take a break real quick when we come back we're going to talk about I think a lot of stuff is funny. I have just a good time with pretty much anything. Cool. All right, let's take a break real quick. When we come back, we're going to talk about some of the tools you're using to train. Okay. All right. And we're back. We're here with Dr. Andy Galpin and Boss Rutten. Rutten Tootin.

Former UFC champion. And we were just playing around with Andy's got a new toy. He's got this thing to measure the force and power. What exactly is it measuring? I'll let you tell us. It's essentially a punching bag with a load cell built into it. So I can measure reaction time, force impacts, units of destruction is what they call them how hard you're hitting something is essentially what it is so it's actually custom-made we

actually have the first and only one out so it's brand new you'll never see it anywhere else you think as long as boxing kickboxing been around someone would have made something like this before it's a big pad with some device in it that measures how hard you can hit. Yeah, it's not that complicated. It's like the arcade, man. I kicked a crash test dummy once. Oh, yeah? National Geographic, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There was one. Yeah, but that's, again, that's a crash test dummy. This is a portable thing that you can bring everywhere. Crash test dummies are hard. I mean, it's like a 150-pound little. It was hurting. Didn't you break it, too? No, I kicked it off the charts

they didn't go higher than a vc value one because that if a car that's dead would hit a one that means the car is unsafe yeah and then and the record there is unsafe that's right 0.78 or something was the regular and then i say just a computer and hit a 2.1. So that was cool. So it would be better for me to get in a head-on collision than in a car than with your shed. That's what they said. He says it's like a 70-mile-per-hour hitting a solid wall. That's the impact. That's pretty cool.

They mentioned a lot of really similar things on that sports science show that was on a few years back. I don't know if it's still running or not. Yeah, no, it's on ESPN now okay the difference is they have like a hundred thousand dollar a day budget and that's just not practical for anybody besides them um and as boss mentioned it's literally built into a kickboxing uh tie pad basically so uh it gives you instantaneous feedback and whatnot um it's a good training device but we actually care about it because we're doing some cool

research with it. That's the idea. There we go. CTP, you can see it right there. There's a nice little target to hit. What we're actually doing is we're working with this new little product

right here, Radius Wrap. It's essentially to be put in front of the hand. So when you strike, actually, the idea is it should put less force and injury back into your hand. And so we're going to do some testing. So it'd be less likely to break your hand? Yeah, less likely to break your hand.

Yeah, roll your wrist, whatever it happens to be. But like anything, we're not going to sell it until we get some science behind it. Ryan was describing how it doesn't go across the knuckles. It actually goes right below the knuckles. Yeah, yeah. It goes below.

So it actually, as Boss was showing, it sort of gets their fingers out of the way. You know, I really like it a lot because I always say, normally when you have a wrap, you're holding something. And you see the fist is not straight anymore. So first the impact comes on this, and then it comes on the knuckle. And you don't have that problem anymore because it is here. Those other wives are going to be happy.

You can keep wearing your wedding ring. You know, normally I could never do that. He said it was important. To me, it's important. My wife, behind every good man they say is a good wife, I really, I'm a really blessed guy. Trust me. Yeah.

So this is, for the record, this is not my product. I get no share in this thing. But we were approached by Ryan Parsons, who's developed this project over there. And so we just wanted to see the science on it, what's going on at hand. So we're just going to do some cool science. There's nothing on, no science on fighters or contact sports really of any kind. So we're making the headway there, and we're starting with this. Not quite as easy to measure this as something like CrossFit like crossfit where it's like well if i can squat 400

you can squat 500 you're obviously stronger than me right there's a lot of talk about this guy hits really hard and that guy hits really hard but there's really no quantifiable data behind it yeah there are some stuff out there but it's all um i would say a non-reliable or a reliability is questioned of it we're not sure how accurate the measurements are and stuff. I think it's just sort of the evolution of bringing science to application again with MMA sports specifically. Do you see the pad coming into the average MMA gym? And so they can say, hey, you punching like this, you're a pussy. Punch like this, and it'll be nice and hard.

Yeah, I think it's a training device for sure, a teaching device. But I think it's everything you wish you ever had in a punching bag. It's very easy to tell if you're slowing down, which is really important. It's actually sort of something that Doug turned me on to years ago. It's actually Boss's old audio tapes you make. Yeah, yeah. The thing that I loved about him the most. You used shit on those.

I still use the hell out of all three of us, though. You know what I'm talking about? You got kickboxing, one boxing. We did an MMA workout. The combo. Did you build the combos up? Essentially what they are, they're like two or three minute rounds where you just sit there, boss calls out the combos and you throw them.

But the thing I like about him is boss talks the entire time about throw every punch as hard as you can. And so the idea is to actually train like you're going to fight. So coming back to this point, that's really easy now when you can actually measure how hard are you punching. So if you're standing there shadowboxing, you're like, yeah, yeah, I'm really punching hard. It's like, well, every time you hit, I see exactly how hard you're throwing that punch. And the reaction time as well. The great thing about this is like I did a bunch of stuff for National Geographic. And then one time you kick a crash, then you kick a bag, then you kick.

You know, but it's all different sensors. This is all the same. So now, if you have a guy, because I had Gina Carano, oh, she hit more pounds than Boss was hitting. That was like two years ago in a different bag. Well, that's because she's way better looking than you. Yeah.

We actually know Gina very well. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I know Gina. Oh, Gina's great. She's freaking awesome. She was in their gym one time, and that was pretty awesome. That was pretty awesome. It was pretty awesome. Yeah.

Oh, my God. Did she flash you? Yes, she did. She flashed me. That's a true story. You were walking out the door, and she was just like, woo. Yeah, that's exactly. I was on that stage when the towel dropped.

Remember that part? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, she was standing there naked, and on that stage when the towel dropped remember that oh yeah yeah yeah you know she's standing there naked and then her father dropped the towel like whoa yeah this was actually the first I think it was a lead XE the first show they did this was when I get cyborg and so far no this was the first one the very first one minute on Showtime yeah I'm Frank that was the one where Frank need him in the back the head like a thousand times oh yeah oh okay it was in but it waseed him in the back of the head like a thousand times. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay.

It was in Memphis. But it was that show when the towel dropped. I think when the towel dropped, it was Kimbo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kimbo was fighting, I think. Kimbo Slice. He was going to fight Ken, but that didn't happen. Kimbo was actually one of your guys, right? Yeah, yeah.

You trained Kimbo, right? Yeah, I trained him. Yeah, yeah. There's also some cool videos of Kimbo Slice street fighting. And it was like the first time they brought on him as the first time but they basically this guy was nothing but a street fighter like knocking people's eyeballs out and then they were like well just put him in a cage and you took him on i'll take him on first uh i had to go out of the country for like two

months so i sent him to sean tompkins oh yeah our friend who passed away. And he started training him. I came back after two months, and then we started training him here two times a day. And, you know, in the beginning, he picked up so fast. He was really busy with it. But it was this thing. It became too big for him, I think.

Like ESPN, cover, this, boom, everybody, you know. And calling him a champ. I said, don't call him a champ. You know, he's got to, you know. But he did really well, you know. He did escapes that we showed him. I mean, for a guy who never champ. You know, he's got to, you know, but he did really well. You know, he did escapes that we showed him. I mean, for a guy who never trained, and his boxing was good. It was already good.

He was a hard hitter, you know, and good heart. And a good guy, man. Those were really fun times. Those guys, I see Mike, his manager, and then the group around him, his entourage, they're hilarious. We would go in the hotel room, put four TV sets together like on all sides. Everybody played video games against each other. They would go to Best Buy in Florida when they were somewhere else

just to buy the video game and the flat screen if they needed, you know? It was hilarious. Yeah, it was good. Everywhere we came, he got stopped. Like in Best Buy, we couldn't walk anywhere and Kimbo got stopped by people. That's sort of funny.

I remember actually, so Doug and I, I think you were with me. We were at the Arnold Classic, you know, the show. I was there also. And I remember going there, and you know how they have the big lines for the UFC fighters? And actually, I can't remember. Maybe you were there. But there was a huge line to see, like, I don't know, like somebody, Brock or something like that. And I walk around the corner

and you're standing next to Don Fry and it's like you and Don Fry talking to each other and there's like a five hour line to meet Brock Lesnar and I was like are you kidding me

I'm going over here and I stood there talking to him and people had no idea sort of who you were but everyone knew sort of Brock and I cleaned house

that day it was awesome yeah that was a long time ago but it's fun it's fun because you see the progress and then later on you know what happens at other shows. And then you go like, oh, thank God,

they didn't forget me. It's good that I stayed in the TV, in the commentating. Are you still training many fighters? No, here at the gym we have a bunch of guys, and a good friend of mine, Jens, Jens Goud from Denmark, he started at 38 years old, he was a powerlifter, came in and I told him okay you gotta lose all that weight because this is stupid weight, you know you're gonna be clumsy. Too many crystals in here.

He lost 50 pounds, he lost 50 pounds. There's stupid weight and there's smart weight, right? That's it, you know speed, you need speed, that's stamina. All my guys I say stamina is the most important thing, you know of course you need technique but even more stamina because stamina is gonna give you you heart going to give you endurance give you gives you everything is the level when the level is really close between two teams or two guys or two whoever the guy with the most stamina person with the most stamina is going to win you know you can keep pushing the action and uh that's the trick well if you have more stamina you can practice

more high quality reps in the gym too i mean you go. That's a big crossover. If you have more stamina, you'll have better technique. Yeah, that was when I started the first part when I said after an asthma attack, I would break my running times in Holland with my track and field. And I could never understand why that was. I thought maybe it was the cortisones they gave me. I had no clue what was going on.

And then I went to a doctor's office. I saw a pair of lungs, a drawing of a pair of lungs on the wall. And I saw that the bronchiol is infected, you know, and that the lungs have to pull that air through that infection. To that small hole. To that small hole. And I go, oh man, that's it. You know, my lungs have been working seven, ten days to pull that air through. Then when the infection is gone, I run. It's so much easier to run. Why don't I come up with something

that controls the air intake? You do a little bit of an adaptation there. And that's when I came up with crazy stuff, little coins from like friends, they had coins with holes in them, you know, and I would put them in my mouth and try to breathe through my eyes, it was super dangerous.

Sounds really safe. Yeah. That's what I said. So I stopped doing it, but it was always in my head. It was called the rootinizer, we called it. All my buddies was always in my head. It was called the rootinizer. We called it. All my buddies here. How'd you die?

I used the rootinizer. The rootinizer. And when Vandelay Silva was on TV working out with a snorkel, my phone went crazy. I had like six, seven phone calls from my buddies. And they said, dude, you got to make that thing because somebody's going to come up with it. And that's when I came up with the O2 Trainer. And it's really an amazing thing because I have a medical company now

buying 100 a month. And these are going to asthma patients. And you use the O2 Trainer 7 to 10 days, you won't use your inhaler anymore. And medically, I can't prove it yet because I don't have the money to back that up to make a study of that. But you can look at all the sites,

all the reviews on the website. Every single person that works out with it wants to use it once every while. I haven't used my inhaler for eight months and you have to understand, I used my inhaler my entire life. Entire life. If I would sneeze three times really hard,

my lung would close up, I needed to spray it over. Before a fight, I would use it just to make sure to spray it over. And now I have nothing. I don't even have it in my car anymore. I can just start sprinting on a treadmill, and I don't have asthma.

It's the craziest thing. So the O2 trainer is training your respiratory muscles to get stronger, just like you would train your legs or your arms to get stronger by doing kind of like resistance training? Resistance training, and it's the inspiratory muscles only. There's other lung training devices out there that control air in and out. And what I realized is when you control air out and you're getting tired, you're not completely emptying your lungs because you want new air.

You need new air. So then you're kind of breathing like high in the chest. And I say, I want to completely empty your lungs, move out, and now you use way more of your respiratory system. And I think that really was the trick. I think that's why I got the patterns also, because the other ones, you know, I did the pattern and I realized nobody did it.

So you mentioned, I'm not sure if this is true in CrossFitters, is that fairly popular to use the masks or the snorkel or anything like that? I've never seen anyone use a gas mask. And how is that different than just wearing a gas mask? It's control air in and out. You know, it is probably the training mask.

And they control the air in and they control the air out. And I only control air in. And people go, okay, do you get bigger lungs? I say, no, you're born with your set of lungs. You know, they're this big. You can make it bigger. There's some things you can, stacking, lung stacking, just certain ways to expand them a little bit more.

But what the O2 trainer does it gives you more power it gives you more volume more in and out and faster and that's right you're not you're not looking to train the ability of the the lungs to process oxygen this is more about the muscles that help you know expand your rib cage and that's it you know what a lot of people don't know is like the lungs are just the back and there's a space between the lungs And then the body and if you breathe in it Creates a vacuum and that sucks open the lungs and it's that scuzz goes super lightning fast But it's all yeah your lung muscles. They work also, but it's really all your core and diaphragm Doing it so the bigger the breasts you can take

It's better you train your lungs of course So is this something that you would use during training? Like while you were running on the treadmill or while you were lifting weights? That's it. And the thing is to use it smart. Because with the crazy guys, all the guys who want to go too fast,

don't do that. Because then you don't give your body too much enough oxygen. That's why high altitude training is a little less now because you don't get a good workout anymore because you're slowing your brain down. Your body doesn't get enough oxygen. That's why high altitude training is a little less now because you don't get a good workout anymore because you're slowing your brain down. Your body doesn't get enough oxygen. It's bad

for you. That's where I was going to go next. We have enough science on whether it be the mask training or the live high or the altitude training. It just doesn't work. And the real issue is exactly what Boss just said. It compromises training quality. So you can't run hard. You can't train fast train fast it's a problem so we now know that's

exact opposite of what you want to do and so the thing that people don't really realize is there are those little muscles in between your ribs called intercostal muscles they actually contract and pull your ribs open and that's exactly what boss was talking about that allows the volume of your lungs to increase. So the pressure goes down. And so when you open your mouth, there's greater pressure outside than there is inside. So air comes rushing in.

So, and also as boss mentioned, it's, we don't see lung values change with exercise training at all. Certainly not with the masks. So boss's question is if we actually train the lungs with some resistance, but not compromise total volume of air by letting you get a full breath out, that should allow you to keep your training quality high, but actually train the inspiratory muscles. But we're not sure yet, so that's why we're gonna... You know, I'm the treadmill, and if I do it, my heart rate will go up way higher because I can measure it, and I'm sweating like crazy.

So what you worry, these muscles, they're going to have a really hard workout. As soon as I say, okay, this is enough rounds, and I start running, it's much easier. You know, so it is. I wouldn't train every day with it. You know, although I think if you do it the correct way, you can train every day with it. What you want to do is this. You run on a treadmill, for instance. You do the incline sprints.

You feel like it. Then you take the O2 trainer. You put the hole on there that's on there that comes with it and train with that and then only when you start feeling that you have the same amount air air that you get in your lungs as you had without the o2 trainer that means now your lungs are stronger you know they know how to pull the same amount of air in now you go to cap number one they have a number on them cap number one has a hole one millimeter smaller. And that's it. If we can see what this looks like, I think we're going to help out a few more times. It magically appears in my head. This is the other thing. Very simple device. It goes with

a nose clip. I don't use a nose clip. I simply don't breathe in through my nose. My friend goes, yeah, but then you can cheat. I said, then you're cheating the person the the only person in the world you shouldn't cheat yourself you know so good for you this is 14. needless to say with this one you can't train but if you don't have time to train you can use this at home sitting on the back or wherever you know and you can do breathing exercises not when you're driving don't do it when you drive don't do it look when you drive. Look, and here we go. This is the cap that comes on it. And then we go down. This is cap number three.

That's all little numbers. And it goes. And also this, the silicone, if you see this, it moves. And I did that on purpose. I didn't make it hard. Because now if you breathe harder, it will actually open a little bit more. Because it's flexible. The flap also.

Here, a lot of people know the flip should here this is a flap this flap needs to be from a harder material than this cap is so we they can't make it in one piece some people pull it out for some reason i have no clue why they pull it out but don't do that just leave it in and then you don't need to change this cap because if i if i make this from the same material you're going to suck it in so that's why this from the same material, you're going to suck it in. So that's why this is the same hardness. Everything is thought about. That's what I'm trying to say. Don't bastardize his equipment, please.

No, people go like, they grab it and they pull the flap and they pull it out. I go, why would you even do that? Why would you even do that? I can put it on in five seconds, you know, because it's simple. It's got two holes and it goes on two little pins and you push it and it's on. But apparently it creates a lot of problems. So how often do you recommend that we use that? You know, I do it every workout because I do it the way you're supposed to do it.

And only when I start feeling that, you know, I get enough air again, then I go to the next level. You know, and go slowly, slowly, steady. Like the running drills, I can do, for instance, I do with the three. I can do my workout with 10-pound ankle weights and upper body rotations. I don't hit right now because of my neck surgery. But I do it really powerful. I make instead of a four-punch, I rotate four times extremely hard and explosive. I can do it with screen number six.

And sometimes I can push to screen number seven. So every workout is a little different. If you run, that's another different workout. On the bike, you probably also can do a smaller hole with running and jogging. But hill sprints, that is always... I like hill sprints the most because they really kill you. Hill sprints are where it's at, for sure. You were talking about you have some joint pain,

and we were talking a little bit earlier, and you went down to Panama to get some stem cells. Yes. Stem cell stuff. I don't even know what it is. Tell us about it. I know a famous guy, and I don't want to use his name, but he has a father who was 93 years old,

and they sent him to the Mayo Clinic in Arizona because he was going to die. Everybody was kind to the family. It's a big family. They wanted to say goodbye to him. And they said, you know what? There was somebody who was there, apparently, and said, let's send him to Panama for the Stamps at home.

This guy just turned 95, and he just walks around. Sometimes he uses a walker, but he couldn't do that before. He was in a wheelchair. So it changed his life. He even gets some new little tiny hair starts coming growing back 95 years old so i heard that story and then the doctor that i know went and then the sister of the famous guy went i saw her six eight weeks later she looked younger and she was and she said oh my god i have like energy coming out of my fingers

i went and i had that feeling also. But now every time when I eat, and I'm going to ask her, I'm going to call her later after this interview. I said, is it after you eat, you get extreme lot of energy? Like in the morning I wake up and it's almost like I can throw a powerball. It's like even when I do this now, I feel, oh, you can. So it's doing something. It's doing something. I can do already like eight more reps with one arm, I feel boop, boop, boop. Oh, you can. So it's doing something. It's doing something. I can do already like eight more reps with one arm, which was for me, you know, I started

with six reps for five pounds. Can you imagine that? And then I went up to 18. Last time I did 26. Why were you having problems? What happened with your arm? I had two neck surgeries. See, four, five, no, five, six and seven refused.

And of course, the ones above and below, they said, you know, they need help, too. So the fusion was good, but apparently I've also had arthritis on one side. So that closes that space again, you know. So everything they said with the stem cells could actually help that. I got my knees shut up, my neck shut up, and then they give it intravenous. So your knees have been maybe blown up and stuff, is what you were saying. Yeah, I have no cartilage in the kneecaps.

And everybody who really knows knows that's the worst problem in the knee you can have. It's the only thing they can't replace. I can verify that. Yeah, because everywhere you come, people go, oh, you know, put this in the skin. Put this stuff in. I say, yeah, okay. I have this for seven years. You don't think I tried everything?

I went to see the best doctors. I went to Alan the best doctors. I went to Alan Trash here at the Coulton Job. And he goes, and what he tells me is, oh, we can put your shin bone forward, and that will take the pressure off the kneecap. They told me the same thing. I go, are you out of your fucking mind?

And he started laughing. I said, what are you laughing? He said, normally they don't talk like that. It was funny, you know, he was laughing about it. I said, what does it take? He says, I think three or four months in a cast, and then three or four months rehab for each leg. And that's when I said, you're out of your mind. So you went down to Panama. You had to leave the country because you just can't do that

stuff in the US. You can, because I think it cures. The things I see there, it cures. And then the whole company goes down. The whole system would collapse if we could cure people. Yeah. But I saw a kid with cerebral palsy who his father, he was before me because they pick up every day in person. And he was every day in front of me.

And the kid was reacting to me, Miles, he was his name, Miles, but he called him Miles. He came in as a board, stiff as a board. You know, you have either that or you're really loose. And he was the stiffness. And the father said that 12 months ago, they gave him the shots, and like, pretty much after the first shot, right away, he started relaxing.

Now, he works in China, and when he went back to the States, they retested the kid, the doctors almost refused to believe it was the same kid. I mean, brain activity, he reacts to people. He was totally cut off and he was there now to get an extra boost and his father had a knee problem. He says, I'm going to try it out now.

Everybody is a believer suddenly. Yeah, man. So a lifetime of fighting leads to some pretty awesome stories but overall, you got some nasty problems damning over your whole body. You know, I did, this is what I did.

Nowadays, guys are training much smarter. I thought always the harder I go here, the easier it's going to go there. And I know

everybody says that, but listen, we tried to knock each other out and we got good strikers in Holland. You know, we got the freaking

Peter Ehrs and all these guys that tried to get hit by that or he's who I was training with with his leg kicks, you know. I tried to survive those things, you know. It the freaking peter earth and all these guys tried to get hit by that or he's who i was training with with his leg kicks you know i tried to survive those things you know it's it's a lot of power that's a good way to survive yeah you know and so i i went just crazy we went hard and hard and hard and the neck it was a stupid thing that i did for a tv show for my good friend holt mckellar he had that show lights out the boxing show remember on fx yeah

there was this fight scene in with him and I, and he said, I cannot beat Bas up, you know, because I will be stupid. Something needs to be happening. And I go like, it's so dumb what I said. I said, what about this? I jump to put a rear naked choke, forget to put the hooks in,

I slide off, spike myself, I'm dizzy. That's a great idea. Oh, man. And when I saw it, because I realized I had no power in my arm, when I saw the TV show, I go, oh, that's it. That was the reason it happened. Oh, man. And I told myself, I'm going to do this once, because obviously this is not a smart thing to do.

Oh, you know, if you could turn back time, right? But you can't. I've said that a dozen times at least. Yeah, yeah. Can only move. Zach, what was it? When you went down there, you spent, what, four days getting treatment? What's the treatment look like?

The treatment is like you get, it's nothing. It's like literally you go in, they take your blood, they tell you everything you want to know about it, and you're gone. Then they spin out, I think, the proteins or whatever they want to combine it with, and they get the umbilical cords from babies, and those stem cells they use, because they don't have receptors on them yet. They're just blank cells. They go inside your body, and then they become your own.

So they spin it in that stuff, and the next day you come back, that's when I get my knees injected, and they do intravenous also. So they inject your own blood back into you yeah but you know it's a yellow substance yeah and the day after six or seven trigger points in my neck and intervenes and then the third one was intervenes and that one I really after that I felt a glowing I go oh I get the glow from the last dragon you are the last dragon remember you will have the power of the glow then the guy hits him he goes he stops and he starts glowing and he goes I am the strongest he really felt like that shown up I met Tymoc actually who plays Bruce Leroy. He's a good guy.

Cool. All right, let's wrap this up. Do it. Anything you want to promote specifically? Your jam? Yeah, of course, Elite MMA Jam every Friday night, guys. You have live on AXS TV. You have Inside MMA. We just had our 300th show like five shows ago. So we're already six years. We got the highest ratings on the network. It's a really fun show. It's about mixed martial arts around the world, not only focused on the UFC, about everybody. So that's a great show. That's the only show dedicated only to MMA, right?

To MMA, yeah, pretty much. And I would say the body action system. It's a punch kicking device that I developed, and it's really good. You won't break it. People go like, oh, but it's so much money. You're not gonna break it. You know, a bag, how many bags you need every time, $200 bag and they break them. This thing, you're not gonna break it. I didn't break it.

I'm still in my backyard, there's actually standing one, it has a little slice here open in the face because it was three years ago and I'm kicking the hat. You know,'s a great thing you don't get impact on your joints so it's a great tool for fighters like two weeks before a fight forget about the back let's use that thing do the workout on the back you get targets so lock plexus lever shot you know it's shaped in the in the direction you have to hit in the angle you have to hit in the body shot so it's a body action system calm this cool little device and also that one and of course you're the o2 trainer o2 trainer.com and for

people who don't know that the o is a zero i took zero to trainer.com as well so it can automatically forward it you know o2 trainer blog.com is a good one also because then you can get pretty much see people talking about it you get a lot of reviews I have the special Air Force of Services they wrote me that they were unbelievably happy with it I have the sex player from the Eagles writing that he can play longer stronger notes now nice pretty cool cool stuff that's a testimonial yes there you go yeah if you enjoyed this podcast make sure to go over to iTunes look us up give us 20 stars positive review you know this guy from oh yeah yeah we skipped right over you see Andy or to go over to iTunes, look us up, give us 20 stars, positive review.

You gonna let this guy promote anything? Oh, yeah. Wow. Man, we skipped right over you. See, Andy and I are really good buddies, so I just forget about him. Yeah, that makes sense, right? Yeah, definitely. So if you didn't pick it up,

I'm the one that's actually working with Boss to do the studies on these types of things and the hand wraps and whatnot. So that's the type of stuff we do at Cal State Fullerton. So if you're interested in hanging out with Boss, come to our program. Does this force pad have a name to it? It is the Strike Mate Pad, I think, or something. It's not available, so you can't purchase it.

But that's the type of work we do. So if that's the type of stuff you want to get into in your master's program or something of the such that's the type of stuff we do that's cool stuff yeah i would have been that would have been pretty cool to go to school doing that kind of stuff yeah we don't yeah we try to have fun excellent all right guys thanks for joining us boss dr galpin all right make spells party on all right