Barbell Shrugged - Aleks Rybchinskiy — The Bledsoe Show #126

Episode Date: March 22, 2019

Aleks Rybchinskiy is a Neurosomatic Therapist with nearly a decade in the field working to heal clients by applying integrative and holistic therapies and methodologies mastered through accelerated completion of the prestigious practitioner programs at CHEK Institute in California, and Neurosomatic Educators Institute  in Clearwater, FL. As a CHEK certified Holistic Lifestyle Coach and Level IV CHEK Practitioner, he combines his expert knowledge of metaphysical correlations with physical symptoms, as well as holistic nutrition and the sociocultural influences on lifestyle to help his clients make positive and permanent changes to their health, weight, and pain symptoms.  He applies the science of mindfulness to access values and determine specific, attainable goals through a comprehensive system of health assessments, and 1-1 counseling. Aleks splits his time between Austin & Chicago, where he operates his private practice, Fusion Health.  He works with clients from all ages to address weight loss, muscle gain, pain, physiological imbalances, TMJ, frozen shoulder, sciatica, plantar fasciitis, carpal tunnel, headaches/migraines, visceral massage, cranial alignment, and many more.  He also has a roster of clients all over the country, and is available for services and care outside of the Chicago & Austin area per schedule availability.  Aleks is also a speaker and educator teaching workshops and courses on shoulder rehabilitation, core function, and more to come. He continues to stay active in his sport of beach volleyball where he demonstrates the importance of his professional and personal philosophies on health by improving himself, also, as an athlete. While not neglecting recovery and growth of the body and mind by adding in the practice of yoga, meditation and tai chi. In this episode, Alek dives deep into Coaching and also the real reason people train   Minute Breakdown:   0 - 18 Intro to Alek and how he created his business and developed his clients, while also running a coaching business with his wife. Finding time for romance when you are working with your partner so it’s not all work.  Coaching and the real reason people train versus why they think they train.   18 –29  Alek method of training effectively and how to connect everything in your body so you get results.   Tying workouts to what you are working on mentally and emotionally in your life can support your workouts. Our cultural is trained not to talk about our emotions so people use weights to feel free but they still have the problem.  Alek helps you look at what the problem is so once the workout is done you are not still sitting in your emotions and problems.   29 - 42  Creating schedules for self-care and make lists of core values you need. Qualifying core values.  What do you need to be happy? If you don't’ find things that make you happy then you will be thinking about that when you are coaching people.   Qualify a want and a need.   42 – 50: Looking at your addictions.  People going to their addictions once they feel out of balance.  Replacing addiction with joy. Managing addictions with healthy coping mechanisms.   50 Our body will put things aside until it’s ready to let it out. Giving your body a break when needed.  Looking at belief and are the truth. Beliefs you are running on sometimes aren’t even your truth. The more development you do on yourself you will find that in your coaching or business by attracting those people. Getting firm with who you are. Alek working with people on emotionally level too even when people think it’s the exercise that they needed. Getting down to emotional stress. 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I'm stoked to present him here again. Enjoy the show. Alright, so the first time we sat down was almost a year ago. And I had you on for The Strong Coach. And for the first season, and I've had a lot of people come through The Strong Coach program that said they went back and listened to the show you and I did several times. I even had quite a few people cite our show as the thing that put them over. And they go, oh, when I heard that, that's when I knew I had to apply to the program. So thank you.

Yeah, you're welcome. It's always good hearing that feedback after because you never know where it goes until someone tells you about it later. You know, Oh yeah, I didn't know you changed my life a year ago or two years ago. Or I, you told me that one thing in passing and I just ran with it and now my life

is so much better and great. Yeah. It's always, it's always funny to hear that one, especially when you're in the coaching business because sometimes it is a, you know, you're at a party and you're having a conversation and someone says, this is what's going on for me. And you a, you know, you're at a party and you're having a conversation and someone says, this is what's going on for me,

and you say, you know, three sentences and walk off, and they're sitting there going, their brain just like in their whole life changes, and you're like, oh, I was just telling you what I thought. No big deal. I've had clients just drop off out of nowhere and just stop. Like in the past years ago, they would just fall off the face of the earth. And I'm like, a year later, they'd call me back. Hey, I have this problem. Like what happened to you? They're

like, Oh, you fixed it or that you solved the problem. And I'm like, you could have told me. Yeah. I think that's one frustration coaches have. Um, a have. I mean, I've had this experience, and I have a lot of friends that have this experience, or business consultants too. It's like, oh, someone has a problem. They go to a coach, and it's like they get resolution around the first layer. They're like, okay, I got the first layer. Now I'm going to go back to my life and do this thing. It's like, well, you got the first layer. Now I've got, now I'm going to go back to my life and do this thing. It's like, well, you could have like, like we could have gone deeper, but like, it's not, a lot of times people are so focused on a single issue that that's as far as it goes.

Yeah. Maybe that's all they're ready for. Yeah. That's all it is. No big deal. So what have you been up to the last year? Raising kids. Yeah. Raising kids, growing to practice, just being a hermit, but trying to be out there, but with clients and spending a lot of time with them and also splitting that time. Since I went to school, my three-year-old started going to school. I've been getting a lot of chance to, I've been getting a huge chance to work and, um, you know, spend time on growing the business, reaching out to

clients, following up on programs, reaching out to people that I didn't have time for. And watching them develop as I develop is really interesting. And then going back and just sharing that time with them and growing my relationship with Sarah, my wife, and watching her take off now that, you know, Ari's in school and I'm working, she's working and getting speaking gigs at colleges and trying to grow a program. That's really what I've been up to in the dark. What's it like running a coaching business with your wife? I think that there's a lot of coaches out there that are like, how do you make that work?

If you don't get coaching, it doesn't like, it's so stressful at times, you know, cause it's like one hat you're, it's your beautiful wife and another hat, she's a CEO giving you orders. And you're just like, wait a second, you forget somehow sometimes who you're talking to, you know? Right. Yeah. And it's stressful. I mean, it's just having the awareness around that. Like, is she my wife right now? Or is she my CEO right now? You know, cause she's the better business. Um, she, she, she mostly runs the business and the taxes and the backend work and the emails. And, and I'm just, you know, I just work, I just see people and, you know, try to keep up with my, my studies and keep up with my studies and keep up with all my new programs I want to develop and where the next stage of my outreach is going to go to.

And, you know, but she does all the nitty gritty work. And so sometimes I'll be in the middle of this going, hey, look at this new thing. She's like, stop. This is too much. And I'm like, you're crushing my ideas, you know. And then she's like, CEO hat. This is like and she'll like lay it out for me, you know, like, you're crushing my ideas, you know? And then she's like, CEO hat. This is like, and she'll like lay it out for me, you know? Like, okay, well, step one, how do we do this? Step two, how much money is it going to take to run this?

Step three, and I'm like, okay, okay. Now I see where you're going with this. And then after a decent amount of exposure to this and some conflict, it's like, all right, is she really telling me no? Or is she telling me not right now? Or is she telling me this is going to be more work than we can manage right now? And it's going to cause more stress in our life. But it's not easy. We've been together for almost five years and running a business together for four years and it's definitely not easy but it's you know it's like um it's like working out 16 hours a day you know because you go to the gym and you work out

you know hour or two and your body recovers but then people forget there's the emotional body and the mental body and the spiritual body just the same way as you would sit and meditate or do active meditations exhausts the mind, you know, or you get into a relation like a fight or a scuffle, it exhausts the emotional body and it takes time to recover. But my wife and I are in the same house working all day. So 16 hours of exposure, cause normally the husband or the wife would, you know, you'd leave for eight hours a day and you're working at home too. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, I, uh, I find it a lot easier in those situations where when we're at

home it's home stuff and then we're at work it's work stuff and what's happening on all that's happening under the same roof it's hard to like differentiate that i know uh ashley and i've gone through that where uh we i was like when was the last time we talked about our relationship? Because it seems like we sit down to dinner and we're talking about business. And so really getting clear on what we're talking about when, where our attention is at. Do you guys have any practices for that? Dates. Dates.

And even on dates, we just went to one uh one of our friends birthday parties and we showed up there and i'm like playing with the dogs and talking to people and sarah just looks at me and goes this is the first night in like a month that we got a chance to be away from the kids and you're petting the dog and i'm like this dog is kind of and his dog's blind and so i'm sitting here like there's all these reasons to pet the dog but she's like why don't you just put the dog down and hang out with me? And I'm like, I didn't even think about that. So it's just bringing that to my awareness.

And just how an innocent thing can actually not hurt someone's feelings potentially, but they may feel like left out or this is my intention behind this escape. Not escape, but this time away for us, you know, personally. So we can spend some time together and talk to our friends. And here I am just like isolating myself at this party, you know, with a small group of people. Or this one person and Sarah's doing her thing and I'm doing my thing. And so if she never brought it to my awareness, I never would have thought about it, you know. And it's definitely dates.

Like we spend, we make time to like rent a cabin in austin they just like get away for the day and we'll find nannies or or or nanny and and then um sarah's parents will take over to watch the kids for the rest of the for the end of the day and kind of get them ready for bed and settle down. But we definitely plan that into our life because it's mostly like, Hey, did you get this done? Did you take the trash out? But then do you follow up with your client and you get the dishes done? And then, Hey, can you, can you send me that email about, it's just business work, business work, business work, business work, business work. And then at the end of the day, we're just so exhausted and drained after putting

the kids to bed. It's like, Hey, let's talk about us, you know, let's make love, you know, and then, and then we have to plan, okay, is this worth losing sleep over? And like connection between us is like, yeah, it's okay. Let's put some sleep aside. It's an hour of sleep versus a connection that brings us and drives us forward into our future, you know? And, um, but if you don't do that, it's, I've noticed there's times where if I don't plan a date, we just get more and more stressed out about our relationship. And, uh, not so much like, oh, are we right for each other? But more like I'm missing a connection. You know, where's that bond? We're just so like, we're in the same house, but we're not connected.

We're doing different things. Whether I'm taking care of myself with self-management, sitting in the sauna, you know, doing Tai Chi or drawing or following up with clients, and she's on the computer plugging away at her courses. And yeah, we just never really, we're in the same room, but we're not really engaged. It's like, you know, it's two people sharing a space at that moment we we're in the same room but we're not really engaged it's like yeah you know two it's two people sharing a space at that moment because we're so divided

so without dates and without planned time for a relationship it it becomes pretty hard to manage yeah the connection well one things i've noticed about you and that impresses me is you are considering more than if I'm just recovering from my workout. You're seeing the whole picture and looking at it from that perspective and going, okay, maybe another workout is not exactly what I need. Maybe it's something else. What's that path been like for you like there was a time where you were playing football and you were uh completely i imagine completely engrossed in uh developing your physical body and then what's what was that process like developing your your physical body at what point did you come to realize that there was more than that?

And what did you do about it? I started playing football after high school for a semi-professional league. And I was just big into bodybuilding and big into my athletic and I, I was able, you know, I'm just, I would say gifted on top of, uh, proper form and managing my body and listening to it. Like if something hurts, I just don't do it. Like if, and if I don't identify whether it's like a muscular pain, like, Hey, you're just pushing through things and your muscles are burning and they feel like they're ripping for a good reason versus like a joint locking and I have to maneuver around it you know then I'm like okay squatting isn't for me that day so I'll deadlift

because the hinge doesn't affect it that much it sounds like you were more in tune with your body than most people already it was like because a lot of people they don't really what i've noticed is a lot of people and this includes my previous self the don't recognize the compensation it's like oh this joint isn't moving or this muscle is so fatigued that i'm now compensating into poor mechanics that's something that came natural to you we're just like i'm not gonna do it because i mean there's the ego check too right like oh i want to like keep up with a guy on the other side of the room. So I got to keep dead lifting. Which it's funny that you mentioned that because I've always been the person that like, I will lift it alone. Like I put my hood up, I put my earphones in, I put my blinders on and I'm like, don't look at me. Don't talk to me. I'm just going to train because it drove me nuts when people in the gym would just train, train, train. And then like,

I would walk in and see these people after years. And I'm like, you look the same. And I'm here getting bigger. I'm getting faster. I'm getting stronger. My weights keep moving up. And I've being Russian or Ukrainian technically, but, um, we adapt like the stoic philosophy where, you know, don't talk about your pain, get over it. You get into a fight, take your space, clear, you know, calm down and then go back into your life. But you don't really talk about your problems until I met Sarah, which she showed me a whole new world to that. And as painful as it is, it's very rewarding. But as I'm reflecting on where I was back then, it was the only chance I really had to connect to myself. It was the only time that I didn't put my problems aside. It was like, okay, well,

my hip hurts. Okay, well, maybe I got tackled wrong. and then I'm like, okay, I shouldn't work through this because then I know I can't play next week. So I'm not, I'm not going to make myself, and I already have the physical gifts to just play next week, whether I train or not. Yeah. And it was more of those like, well, not, it's not going to, it's not going to help me. So I just didn't do it, you know, because I cared about my body. I've been in pain, you know, being a reckless kid my whole life. And so I remember being 16 and not being able to get up, sitting up, sitting against my locker. And this is one of the first time my mom took me to, to a chiropractor, a family friend, you know, and I was like, Oh my God, I feel so much better.

And then I just started not messing myself up. I take that back. I messed myself up a lot with like reckless things like riding bikes and, you know, jumping off high places, but not so much like intentionally through exercise, you know? So this is the, this is the only chance I got to build my body up. I'm body building that body wrecking down, you know? And so I was trying to build my body up instead of feel terrible. I was doing it to not only externalize my emotions, but also that unconsciously I was connecting with myself going, okay, well, all these pieces have to come in place. And when you're training effectively, when most people don't get the result they're looking for is they're not connected. They're not feeling their muscles squeeze.

They're not feeling the exercise. They're not feeling what's happening. you know, and they're like, well, this is causing pain. Well, my first thought is I should try to change something, not keep doing it until it breaks, you know? So this, this is just one of those intuitive things that I can only reflect on and go, well, I was doing this way back in the day without any knowledge of what I have now. Um, I know for myself, uh, you know, uh, started training with weights when I was about 15 and, uh, the next 17 years of my life, the way I dealt with any physical discomfort was, um, I thought I was being mentally tough,

but no one actually teaches mental toughness. There might be, my exposure to mental toughness training is put you in a lot of discomfort and then just see if you quit or not. And I know that for the type of coaching I received and the type of coaching I witness a lot is it's actually encouraging people to escape to another place versus being present with their body. So there's, it's like think about something else. Like put yourself in a different place. Go to the mind.

Get out of the body is what I've witnessed that's happening. That's happened for me. And there was a lot of injuries that like, they, they were surprising. It's like, Oh, this, my shoulder, my neck and my shoulder, all of a sudden, like I can't even put an empty barbell overhead. Or I was like, man, my fucking hamstring, I can't even squat. It's weeks away from squatting. And it was a complete and total surprise. But now having done a lot of work around getting in tune with my body, I see injuries, like potential injuries showing up. You know, I don't even know how far out anymore because I don't really get hurt in the gym anymore. I don't tweak things in the gym anymore.

And that's because I'm actually in tune with what's going on. And I'm not trying. Whereas I used to escape. What do you think it is? What do you suspect? Is it a lack of education that people are not listening to their bodies? I don't know if it's a lack of education. I think it's a lack of kind of how society breeds us.

And we use the gym to get away from our problems versus like help our bodies. You know, you go to work to make money, and you leave work to, you know, get away. But if your relationship at home isn't solid, you're going to try to run from that too. And the only way you could do that is by, you know, like what we have some of our clients do. If they're in their head too much, I have them run sprints until they can't breathe or think anymore. And then the only thing they can do is breathe. And so they sit against a tree sucking wind, but their brain isn't working. Their mind isn't having thoughts. They're just like, I got to get Aaron. Yeah. You know? And so, um, but that's one of the tools we get, we use to get people into a state where they're not thinking anymore.

And I think, I mean, I see a lot of, I mean, a lot of people do that. They go, the only time I feel alive is if I'm lifting the heaviest weight possible or running sprints,

but then they, the other 23 hours of the day, they're, you know, maybe feel dead inside. Yeah. And, and my question to those people are, well,

is that your job? Is that your job to lift super heavy? And if not, what are you trying to lift off of your shoulders? Just like that barbell or what are you trying to get up off the floor? Is it a business you're trying to get up off the floor? Is it your relationship that you're trying to support on your shoulders? Is it, you know, you're trying to get your back stronger because your back hurts because you're, you know, you're carrying your relationship on your back. You're providing the money and the support and the safety and the structure for the family. And, you know, maybe your wife or the husband isn't pulling their end and it's just taking, taking it away from you emotionally and mentally. And so you use the physical barbell to externally, externally,

externalize the mental, emotional, um, stress that you have going on because those bodies are all, they feed each other. And so, you know, if you, I forgot what the saying is, I'm probably going to butcher it, but, uh, the thought body, you have a thought body, a mental body and emotional body. Um, I think mental and thought are the same thing, but, um, physical, mental, emotional. Yeah. And so like, if you starve a man of a steak he'll think about and feel that he wants steaks you know i haven't had red meat in a month

i wish you'd stop talking about steak i guess that was a big mistake dad jokes my apologies that's right that's what happens when you become a dad all that i've noticed that any of my friends that have kids all of a sudden the dad jokes start rolling in. It's like an intuitive space opens up that just downloads all of them into your brain. And all the single men are going, what the fuck was that? Yeah. That's stupid until you have some kids and then you'll find a way to get humor out around them.

Awesome. Yeah. you have some kids and then you'll find a way to get humor out around them. But yeah, I think, I think it's just our, our, our culture is just, you know, don't talk about your emotions. Don't, don't. And sometimes, you know, you have to learn psychology to understand whether someone's manipulating with their emotions or just being honest and you're being triggered by their emotions. And when you don't have those tools, you're just like, what do I do? And weights are a good way to feel free of that.

But then once you've got those emotions out, you still have the product, which is the problem that's causing it again. And then until your body can't, and you keep doing this until your body can't keep up, and then you are left with an injury, which means you're left with no way to externalize these emotions. And now you're left sitting in your emotions while you rest and recover you know and then you're back in this trap again of wishing you can go running or wishing you can squat heavy but really that's not the problem and you know that's been you know that's never been really a problem of mine because i never

i did aspire to be a professional athlete and I think I had the gifts, but minus the subtle attributes of the skills, the skill sets. And so to answer your previous question is I started a business while I was playing football and one day this, this guy, I tackled this guy and he landed and his whole face mask bruised my whole hand that I could see the outline of his face mask in my hand and then i had that's a good feeling yeah i got the tackle but yeah it's yeah i'm being sarcastic um but i looked at my hand i go what am i doing like this isn't my work i was like i need these things and it was like like in the middle of looking at my bruised hand and my bicep after I got tackled with holding the ball and seeing the stitches of the ball transplanted into my arm around the bruise. And I'm like, holy cow, what am I doing?

Like, I need to work. Like, I need to, this isn't my passion. This is just a tool to get me to express, you know, an athletic component of myself, but I could do this without, you know, developing brain injuries for myself. And cause I'm, I'm not a very shifty player. I like to just run at people, you know, very blunt, very Ukrainian, very straightforward to the point, which Sarah has taught me. That's what I like about you. And a skill I learned is how to navigate that, but be honest with people, but, you know,

ask them questions instead of tell them how it is, which is could be very abrasive to people. But that's just the way Ukrainians are. And, but I'm grateful for that tool that I learned, which is helps relate to a whole new different people that aren of mentality, that very blunt, straightforward. I know that a lot of my audience is also former military or they were mentored or came up in strength and conditioning with that military type of straightforwardness, like suck it up, like this is what we're doing. There's not a lot of listening um as a coach um can you tell me about that process of going from were you a coach where you were like telling people to do things to starting to actually ask questions and start a dialogue instead 100 and then i noticed i noticed up to the point where it didn't work anymore. You know, with some clients, they just wouldn't respond.

And then I'm just going, okay, well, why aren't they responding? They're not responding to this. They're not getting it. They're fucking idiots. Yeah. And I remember. I used to have that mentality. I was like, they're not listening to me.

They're a bad client. But now I'm like, oh. And I had one client when I was running a boot camp years ago. And I was like, get in here. You're wasting your time. You're paying me money. And then one day, it was like after like her sixth week missing class. You know, I was just like, she stopped me because I was like, you're in the gym?

Like, but you're not coming to my class? Why are you paying me? And she goes, it's not your job to get me to come to class. It's my job to get me into class. It's your job just to me to come to class. It's my job to get me into class. It's your job just to provide the service. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to back off this one. And I'm like, okay, well, if I need to ease up on this one, how else can I motivate this person? And so I just kept digging for tools, what else worked. And so when I met Sarah and going through the check system, it's just looking

at different verbiages and who the person is. And so the more I learned about myself, the more I learned how to relate to other people and the more tools I had, the more I just practiced with different people. And once you get around someone, you immediately know their style of communication. You know, some people will, you know, you'll ask them a question and they'll dance around it. OK, this person likes to dance, you know. And so this person, you know, be like, well, tell me about one of your faults. And they'll be like, this is one of my faults. And they're like, okay, this person likes straightforward, you know? And then you, and then you give them a straightforward answer. And then all of a sudden

they'll crumble. Okay. Ease up, you know, let's work around this. Let's ask him some questions instead. And so it just took a long time, um, uh, learning the right things to say at the right time. But that was me getting out of my own head. And the more I meditate and the more I get in contact with my higher self and really empty myself before I see people, because if I bring myself to the table, then I'm not really coaching them. I'm coaching how I want to be coached to the person that's in front of me. And so I kind of put myself aside and going and start going, who is this person? What are the life experiences? Okay. They're already stressed out. Adding more stress to their life won't help. Okay. So, you know, this person, I may, after they're squatting, be like, good job. You're amazing.

You didn't think you could do this, but you did, you know? And another person, I might say, you know, let's go next one. And just not even acknowledge them until the end, you know, and another person, I might say, you know, let's go next one and just not even acknowledge them until the end, you know, cause that may, that may stop them because that may, you know, get them to soften up too much and not, and lose focus. Cause really that's what they're needing, but they're also needing that push. So it's like learning how to play with that push and pull based on their facial expressions, their energy that they're giving off the work that they're putting in. And so like all those things have to be taken into account at the same time. And I mean, that's just years of coaching, but you know, I'm definitely a chameleon when it comes to, um, working with

people because, you know, you can have 10 people in the room that are 5'10 and 185 pounds, but all have different life experiences, different parents, different upbringings. You know, 185 pounds, but all have different life experiences, different parents, different upbringings. You know, one person may have been exposed to art their whole life and another person may have just been, spent their time with abusive parents that pushed them aside, you know, and those two people need different things. And so different coaching, different words, different affirmations, different suggestions, different, you know different questions. And so just their experience and really getting to know myself. So I'm not projecting on my clients of what their needs are. Remembering they came to me to get help, not for me to just feel better about how I am because I

gave them some result. And so even now when people come back and they're like, you changed my life. I'm like, I did my job and that's beautiful. And I'm grateful for your experience, but that's, that's what I do. You know, I don't go to my accountant and go, Oh my God, you did my taxes. You know, I go, thank you for doing my taxes. You know, thank you for doing your job. I'm going to do my job, my passion, you know, and thank you for being the person there to fill that void. So I can do my passion. I can work with people, you know, thanks for being ready to receive what I have to give, you know? And, and it took a long time to become more of like a, a mature coach, a mature healer. So I'm not trying to validate

myself through my clients. Like look at my clients, all of them have six packs and they all have hair and they're all muscular and they all have tons of money. It's more like, well, this person wants a solid family life, but they can't because they're broken and they can't play with their kids. Okay. Well, they don't need to squat 600 pounds or they don't need to be able to do 20 muscle ups or you know what I mean? It's, it's, I'm more looking at what are, what are their goals and how can I attain,

or how can I achieve this with long lasting results? So they feel good about their life and how can I achieve this with long lasting results so they feel good about their life and they can go home and add love and harmony into their life instead of looking for the next way to escape to come see me so that way they can work out their problems, literally work out instead of work through their problems. Yeah. We have a saying within Lifted, which is if you're going to use working out and exercise as therapy. I hear this come out of people's mouths. Why do you work out?

Oh, it's therapy for me. You might as well make it therapeutic. Whereas a lot of people are using it for therapy, but it's not actually therapeutic. Like it's as an escape. Yeah. They walk out and it's like, they're not, like you're saying, they're not working through the problems. They're just working it out. And then.

And they might need to do that to create the space in order to work their problems. But at the same time, it's like, if you're, it's the same thing with coffee. You know, if you have kids and you wake up and you're like, I have no energy to go through my day, coffee becomes a tool. But if you wake up every day going, I need my coffee before I talk to anybody, before I see my kids,

before these parasites come and attack me with their needs, I need to have my coffee, then it becomes a crutch. Then you're just working out through coffee. It doesn't become a tool anymore. Same thing with money. It becomes a tool when you're not like grasping at every opportunity and prostituting yourself or whatever you know and that happens to a lot of people and it's very sad you know but that's the trap that people get caught in and you know and through unfortunate circumstances and upbringings

and but once you uh once you establish some security for yourself, you can go, I can get some coaching. I can get, I can get this organic coffee and I don't care if it costs $10 more than the other pouch. You know, it's, it's going to bring me more benefit than, than, um, than pesticides and liver dysfunctions and can you, can you adrenal fatigue and all these other things that come along with non-organic products. And so it becomes a tool. It becomes a resource instead of a dependency. I know I'll be speaking to a lot of coaches

and saying this is I think a lot of coaches are, especially if they're coaching group classes. They've got like 10 people that are in a class or training and they get bored. And my answer used to be, you know, you should always be helping someone correct their form, which is correct.

But what you're speaking to is if you're always trying to read somebody's like what they need to be, what they need to hear that day, because people are different from day to day too. I'm like, do they need more motivation right now? Do they need to be by themselves and, and all that? I think that there's, it sounds like there's a constant monitoring happening. And if you're not being present and monitoring what's happening with the clients, then you would get bored. Yeah. I mean, like a story. So Ari goes to a Montessori school and her teacher is on point. She didn't have like 20 kids and one helper. And I remember I was blown away. Like the first week

we were there, she was like, yeah, I'm like, oh, um, did she eat her lunch? And she's like, yeah, she touched this. I noticed she doesn't like her food touching. I noticed that she does this thing and she didn't take her nap, but I noticed that I rocked her to sleep and I patted her on the back. And she knew what every kid did, even though she doesn't help every kid. She's like, oh, that kid worked on this, that kid worked on this. And she walked over and I'm like, holy cow. But then I stepped back and I was like, that's your job. You're doing your job effectively because you love it. And I'm like, holy cow. But then I stepped back and I was like, that's your job. You know, you're doing your job effectively because you love it. And she clearly loves it because like, there's not an ounce of like feeling that I get that she's like,

I have to come to work tomorrow. She is just on point every day. And it's kind of the same thing. It's like, even if you have a group class, it's your job to monitor everyone's emotional levels. If you see someone walking in with their head down or like rushing into class, your first thought is, why are they rushing? What are they late from? What are they, you know, they just, maybe they just like dropped all their stuff to get their workout clothes on and make it to the class so they can relax or burn themselves out or whatever the case is. But you got to see how people monitor, walk in the room. How do people carry themselves? How people talk? You know, do they rush in and start talking to the group of people? Cause they need human connection.

Do they come in and set up on their spin bike and right away and just like put their headphones in or like throw the towel over their neck, like ready to go, got their bike adjusted or, um, without that level of monitoring from from a professional it's you are just kind of like doing the same thing and your life becomes like you're just an instructor you just go in you just rattle off your things there's no human connection you're not really helping the group of people you are let's say a few people that are really getting what they're needing but the rest they could just fall

through the cracks, you know, and, but group instructors don't get paid enough, you know, they get worked too hard. They have to go through the class. Also, they have to work just as hard, if not harder, right. And stay into the level of ship that they can talk through whatever they're doing. And, you know, it's, you know, kudos to that. That's, that's rough. You know, I, I couldn't see myself doing, doing that for years or the rest of my life, you know? And, um, but to make that next level, I think even the next level of people that are those coaches, those group instructors or coaches that can handle multiple people and monitor all of the people's states of minds at the same time, even if they don't have the same tools that we do, at least know or be

aware that something's going on to kind of like change something up or even like go pat one person on the back that needs it, you know, that's trying hard. You can see their form sucks, but they're trying and they're doing the best they can, which means in life, they're probably not feeling like they're appreciated enough and they're just doing the best that they can, you know? So even like kneeling and be like, great job. You're doing the, I see you're doing the best that you can. That can blow someone's heart wide open enough that they can, it could push them to try even harder and affirm them. I am doing the best that I can, that I can, not what anyone else can. Because then you're comparing.

And then, you know, I was looking through your Unlifted program, and you talked about that, don't compare yourself to other people, because different people come from different times, different experiences. You don't know how many kids someone has. You don't know what kind of financial situation people have. You don't know what kind of family life people have, you know. And part of the whole Ukrainian-Russian culture is, you know, you ask someone, how are you? It means you're interested in how they are. But now it's just the same thing as a high I've

noticed here in America. And I've been here, I'm speaking like a foreigner, but I've been here like 26 years. And, but it's, now you're like, how are you? And you just walk on by. Like, there's no intention to actually understand who they are, you know? And I remember talking to my parents about this and they were like, yeah, in Ukraine, if you ask someone, how are you?

You better have time and you better have a bottle of vodka with you, you know, to like, because they're going to tell you like all their problems, you know, but we were like missing that connection. I think people try to get classes and things like that too, uh, or the gym to meet people and to receive human connection. But then there's that next level of, okay, now we've got to do something with their effort, you know, and guide them properly. And so, um, I think I lost where I was going with that, but it's okay. Yeah. What do you do before meeting with a client

to create that space you were talking about, that space where you leave yourself at the door and you're there for them? Now, I just take a lot of deep breaths and I don't count. And I just feel what my body's doing and I empty it. And through whatever means work sometimes it could be I'll feel the tension in my head like I'm thinking about too many things like oh I I see the time

is coming to the appointment time and I was like I'm not having a hard time transitioning from you know catching up with clients or writing a program for someone okay okay, I feel I'm very heady. So I'll feel that energy and I'll push it through the floor and I'll feel through my feet, like I visualize roots going into the ground. I'll feel that energy going into the ground. And then I just breathe through it and still every breath out, I visualize that leaving. Sometimes it could be, you know, drinking some water. Sometimes I'll just be distracting myself with something simple. I'll just let the dogs out.

I'll play with the dogs, something that I can get unconditional love from. And then once they come in, it's just emptying. And I don't know how to describe this, except it's like taking a good dump. Emotionally, mentally, you know, after you're like, oh, I'm so blocked up. And then you just release it and you're like, oh, that was good. You know, it's kind of like that where you're just like, this is not about me. If it was about me, then you should be paying them to make it about you. Because then now you're giving, you're taking their energy to facilitate this. And so that's why it's important,

especially for me to constantly be cultivating energy, constantly to be in my relaxation time and getting my sauna time and, you know, drawing because that's what brings me joy. And that's what's cultivating energy. Yeah. It's free. It's free energy. Yeah. Tai Chi and, and taking an ice bath and getting to the sauna and emptying myself. And even, even though my body is detoxing in a sauna, that's time I'm taking for myself, doing something that I enjoy versus doing something

for other people. Right. And so, um, that's one of the things that, um, I teach in the strong coach program is, uh, create a schedule every week where you're, you schedule out certain types of things, but the self-care, the, the filling up your own cup, getting that energy, like schedule that first. And I was, people will, people will put it at the end of the day or it's the last thing they'll put into the schedule as they're planning. And then it doesn't happen. Yeah. And I talked to people about their core values constantly, like, okay, write your core list of values and what you need. And what I noticed people was, were bringing back to me over the years were things that they thought they

needed. Oh, I need, you know, four hours of this, or this or i need you know i need to go draw and i go okay well if you did this in your schedule would this make you happy so then i stopped i stopped saying right core values and i said here's your core values but all of these things are designed to make you happy you know to cultivate happiness so if you don't need two hours of our time a week what would you need to make yourself happy? Is it sitting in a room doing nothing? Is it coloring with pencils? Is it taking a walk? Is it going into an archery range? Is it, you know, participating in your hobby, you know, creating some ceramic jars or cups or whatever it is. And people are, you know, they see other

tools and like, well, this is what I know. I know that I can meditate, but I don't know how to meditate, but I'm just going to practice. I'm going to try, you know, and then, uh, I'm going to art is good for, you know, self-expression, but they may not choose the right art or they don't have the awareness to go, well, there's art in everything. There's art and dance. There's art in painting. There's art in drawing. There's art in sculpting. There's art in, in, you art in self-expression, poetry. There's so many different forms of art. Even coaching isn't art if you treat it that way. So I get fulfillment just by coaching because I get to express myself through my coaching. And I started shifting it to what makes you happy. Like these core values, will they make you happy for the day or at the end of the day? Because if you don't do the things

that make you happy, you're thinking about the things while you're coaching people that you wish you would have done that would have made you happy. Yeah. So that could be another awareness tool. So what are you thinking about when you're coaching other people? That's really good. Are you thinking about eating? Are you thinking about sex? Are you thinking about your relationship? Mostly sex. Mostly sex. One of the ways that I've begun to qualify a core value is I've also been calling it a boundary.

Or if you have a core value, it's also a boundary. And a lot of times people think they have a core value, but they have no boundary for it. And so that's heavily associated to me. What do you think about that? I think that's awesome. And then also distinguishing between a want and a need. Because people confuse those two and they're like, I need four hours alone. Now you may want that much time alone, but how much time do you actually need to meditate?

How much time do you need actually need away from people? You know, how much time do you need with family? Because the opposite, I was coaching someone and they told me, oh, I, you know, I'm going to work this many times, this many hours a day. And I go, well, how much time do you need with your kids that you don't have yet? You know, and he's like, oh, three hours. I go, really? Okay. Three hours with kids. How about with your wife? And then how about, how about on your alone time? How about, how about on your exercise time? How about on your working on your, you know, and then it's just like, and then I go, okay, what happens when your kids need more time? Are you willing to sacrifice your business? Will that make you happy?

What happens when your kids need more time? And they're asking daddy, daddy, please, you know, spend time with me, you know, talk about pulling on your heartstrings and, you know, those little gods pulling on your heart, opening that thing up. Cause I mean, you can close it off and be like, daddy needs to work or daddy is going to play, you know, it's whatever your decision is, is going to impact all these other, you know, family members. And so distinguishing between a want and a need is extremely important because for me, father's number one and then caretaker's number two. And so I would easily give up working with a client to fulfill a need for my family any day. And if they're struggling with something, for me, money is less important than the emotional health of my family and my kids, or my wife and my kids. even if that means taking a step away so I can give myself some love,

because if I don't have the capacity to give love to them in that moment, I have to go make it. I have to give love to myself so I can give it to them, or else I'd be pouring empty love from a cup that isn't full, and you can't pour from an empty cup. So I've taken a lot of time to figure out what really make, what, what I really need instead of what I want. Cause I want to, you know, to, you know, like go on vacation and sit by the beach. Yeah. I think about what I want. I'm like, I would, I would be playing all day. So I would start the day off with, uh, some yoga and then

I would surf and then I would lift some weights and then I would surf, and then I would lift some weights, and then I would eat an epic breakfast, and then, yeah, it's like... And then you would go crazy because your soul is telling you, dude, you gotta spread all this knowledge like you're doing right now with your strong coach program and then lifted.

Your soul would just tear you apart from all this playing, you know? And so that's the... I've done that. Yeah. And it's beautiful. Like, you you try to escape and your soul, your own being is like, no, no, no, let's get back to work because that's important. But learn balance,

learn time management, you know? And, and most people are stuck in jobs they don't like and they can't control their schedule. Like, like we're grateful for. Yeah. I, I, uh, that's a regular thing for me. I know people look at my life. They look at my IG life, the whole Insta crowd, and I'm like, dude,

you're traveling all the time. You're working out when I'm at work. There's all these things, but I like to remind people that's been over a decade in the making it's not like one day i woke up and it's like i'm gonna be an entrepreneur so i can do whatever the fuck i want it was you know uh 12 years ago saying i'm gonna open a gym and having no time for myself and then learning it took me i'm still learning you know the time and energy management and uh really

or i like to call it cultivation and uh yeah it's like what i'll what i'll know in 10 years i think if anyone's unhappy now with where they're at where they go maybe. Maybe they're in a job that they wish they could have more or they are in a place in their entrepreneurial journey where things don't seem fair or it's not what they want it to be. Man, it's a fucking process. And something I want to ask you for all the listeners is how much work do you put in outside of what people see?

Oh, that's the thing. I'm not on my laptop working or in meetings. I'm not Instagramming that shit. If you were like, I'm going to monitor Mike's feed, you'd notice I go dark for days at a time. Rarely is that because I'm having a good time. Usually, I mean, I'm having a good time when I work, but it's not because I'm out partying and surfing and traveling. It's because I'm, you know, I work 12 hours that day. You know, I put in a 12 hour work day. I started the day

with a meeting. I was on my laptop for six hours and then I had another two or three hour meeting that night. I'm not Instagramming that shit. it's and I you know 12 years and pants crazy saying that 12 years in entrepreneurship I have an amazing amount of balance and harmony in my life where yeah I do take an appropriate amount of time to play and I do work I mean last year I think I I played so much you're talking about your soul starts ripping you apart is I played so much that I like I worked too much not enough play I was like fuck this I'm just gonna play and then I played so much that like I couldn't not work like I had to build something and so uh and then and then going really far into that in this past

winter like putting in uh like crazy amount of work I even spent two months where I didn't work out very much because and then I woke up one day I go oh what am I doing and so it's you know again 12 years into this thing and I'm I'm still learning to play with that energy and know when it's time to put it down and go and have a good time. Yeah. I mean, we're at the nature of it. We're these divine beings with a purpose and it'll remind you when you're not living your purpose. And so, and I think Instagram is a great reminder of like when you, when you show people, Hey, I'm doing the sauna, I'm going surfing, like remind, remind people that, Hey, you got to play, you know, I think more people need that reminder.

Yeah. More people need to be reminded to play than to work. And I, I also recognized recently where, um, when I'm not playing, when I don't create time to play, uh, it's usually usually because everyone has an addiction, right? So some people can go, oh, your addiction is alcohol or drugs or this or that. That's like a really easy way to find unhealthy addictions. But I think from what I've noticed, everyone has like their number one addiction. When things start going sideways or they're out of alignment or whatever, they go to the addiction. My addictions work.

So if something's not working in my life, I'll start working. And so for a long time, I had a hard time knowing if I was working out of passion and purpose and whether I was working out of addiction. Because that can be a confusing line. And what I've found recently is if I'm working out of addiction, I'm actually not even enjoying my work. My work feels hard. It's not effective. Things aren't going the way I want them.

Things aren't going the way I want them to like things aren't happening it's like I'm working a lot but like at the end of the day I didn't feel like anything got done things are disorganized all that that if I'm having that experience with my work I know that something's out of alignment and then the other sign and I'm in addiction mode and what I'm doing is I end up replacing play with work. And so when something's out of alignment, I punish myself with work. And then I wake up and I go,

oh, I haven't been to the beach. I haven't played any music. I haven't gone out dancing. It's like, oh shit, it's been two months since I've done any of those things. And I've been working a lot and I actually haven't been enjoying my work I've been working a lot and I actually haven't been enjoying my work. I go, oh shit, I'm an addiction. Like what am I avoiding? And so

it's like, okay, now I got to deal with what I was avoiding. And sometimes it can be small. Sometimes most of the time it's something really big. But then going, and what I find is when I pull myself into alignment and I take care of the thing in my life that was, that was causing me to go in my addiction, I start playing again. And I find that harmony. I go, oh, I worked six, seven, eight hours today. And I hit the beach and I played some music and, or, you know, I went out dancing that night or whatever it is. And, uh, for me, it's, uh, like when was the last time I played? It's a really good, good way of figuring that out. Because if I'm enjoying my work, I'll play. If I'm not enjoying my work, it's just, it turns into an avalanche. Yeah. And I definitely catch myself

in those times where I'll be staring at my computer and I don't want to be there because I haven't played or I haven't taken care of myself, you know, or I haven't cooked food for myself because it was back to back clients. And then I was like, okay, I got to get this done. And you know, my blood sugar will wait, you know, it doesn't, it crashes whether you like it or not, you know? And so we, yeah, what you just said was exactly how, except I don't punish myself for the work.

What's your addiction? My phone. Okay. My phone. Okay. My phone is, it used to be video games. A lot of people I bet are hearing me and go, man, I wish my addiction was work because then I'd like make more money or something. But it doesn't actually work out that way.

But okay, so it's your phone. And so the reason why it's my phone is I used to be addicted to video games because back in the day, my parents were working like crazy to be foreign refugees. And we came here and built a better life for me. And they're just working. But as a kid, I didn't see that.

So the only way I occupied myself was being outside, riding my bike for 10, 12 hours a day, and playing video games. Because I'd eat dinner, I'd go upstairs. I mean, they didn't really read books to me after we moved to the United States in 2006 that I can remember. And so I just liked TV and video games. And so I learned all the systems.

I would get all the books. This is back in the day when you would have to get cheat guides. I remember. I wasn't a gamer, but my little brother was. I would play video games with him every once in a while but i remember like oh yeah all these little cheat codes and stuff and i loved the intricacies of like fighting games where you have to understand like the any

game that understand has strategy where you have to understand what the other person is doing on top of what you're doing and how to counteract what they're doing. And so like, I used to be a big MMORPG guy. And, and then one day I was coming home from work, from 10 hours of work, coming home, playing video games and not getting enough sleep. This is like when I, before I started that, even the check system and going, man, I don't have time. I like, I'm, I'm, I'm waking up, I'm scrambling to get food. I'm like, well, what am I doing? I'm like, it's either I keep playing video games or I work. There's not two of these in my life. And so what I've noticed is I took out all the PlayStation.

I took the PlayStation out of my house years ago. And I don't have any entertainment systems or gaming consoles in my house. And so with my phone, I found a game that I could play for three to ten minutes at a time and then just put it down and it clears my head whenever i'm scrambled my mind is going a million miles an hour thinking pulling all these concepts out of the air and it's just like too much and i'm not in the mindset for it or i have a fight with sarah and i can't ground myself because i'm so in my head we're like well what about this and this and this came from this and like there's too much information in there. And a lot of it's like ego.

And all of a sudden your soul's talking to you and you're like, oh my God, there's just too much going on here. And I don't have enough space to hear the silence. And so I'll pick up the game, which requires all of my attention. And my brain just, and then I can pick my head up and go, oh, okay. This, this is, I can manage this now. That sounds like a healthy coping. You've turned something that was an addiction into something that sounds like a healthy coping. I mean, all addiction starts with a healthy coping mechanism.

It is. So I've learned how to manage this addiction, but at the same time, if I have nothing to do, sometimes that time will run into my playtime. So it's having the awareness to put it down and do other things. And so my three-year-old is a great example of that because she'll run over to me and she'll just like, daddy, put your phone down. And I'm like, and I have a choice right there. And so she'll catch me on my phone longer than what's acceptable for her. And then, so I'm like, well, I don't really need to be on this right now. And I'll just put it down, you know, and I'll just make that, make that step. And sometimes I I'm like, well, I don't really need to be on this right now. And I'll just put it down, you know, and I'll just make that step. And sometimes I'll be like thinking about my phone or thinking, you know, and then I'm like, well, and then I'll have to flip the coin.

Well, what are you really avoiding? Well, nothing. I did everything I wanted to do. So why aren't you present? I don't know. Okay, let's be centered. What are we doing here? Okay, we're building puzzles. We're Okay. We're building puzzles. We're

drawing, we're running around, we're climbing on each other, we're throwing each other around or whatever the case is. And then, so it's just more at this point, it's more of like a mindfulness practice, whether I've done too much because of the unconscious drive behind that is the inability to slow my thoughts down on my own. So I use this externalized device to gather all my attention into a focused bubble so I can ground myself. Right. And so the lesson is use that less and less and use my soul and my internal wisdom and my energy and my own quieting abilities to quiet my brain down and filter through all that nonsense. And so it's always in my brain as like, yes, I am doing

this, but this is as a tool to quiet my brain down. And it's no longer a tool to avoid painful interactions. Because even when I have a fight with Sarah, it's like, okay, I'm clearly way too emotional. I'm triggered. I need to give myself some love, but my brain is still racing a million miles an hour, just putting all these pieces together. How did this happen? Where did this start? What was her daylight that caused her to react to me this way and which caused me to react to her this way? And then I'm like, I'm playing too many games. Time to play one game on my phone, Silence my brain. And then now it's silenced. Okay, let's try to give myself some love again

and then reevaluate the situation from both sides without going into past histories and why this happened and then get down to the bottom of it and reconnect as to, you know, as Paul says, is this bringing more love and connection to my life or less? And then I asked myself that question. Okay. Am I, and another thing that he, he says, if you're going to take a break and you're going to tell her, I need, I need a break right now. I can't, I can't handle this right now.

I just need time to myself, go back and reconnect and rehash this out until it's solved. Because if you're just telling her, I need a break, I need some time, and then we'll talk about this later, but you don't give her a timeline, now you're just avoiding. Now you're just using, it's a video game, except now it's your own internal video game. Now you're just playing with your own ego,

and your ego is player number two playing against you, you know, and you're just playing with your own ego and your ego is player number two playing against you, you know, and you're just battling with it, you know? And, uh, sounds typical. Yeah. It's, it's, you know, it's, it's a very, it's a working metaphor for me in my life. And so I've, I've definitely been able to use video games as like a transition tool and see how life works as video games, but on the, you know, in but in my real life, we're very relatable. And I'm sure the player in the game thinks he's conscious too, just like we do. And oh, I'm moving the way I want to move. I'm doing this the way I want to do this.

But it's going back to say what you mean and mean what you say. If you say, I need 10 minutes and you take 10 minutes and that's not enough, go back and tell, hey, I need 10 more. I need 20 more. I need 30 more. But fulfill your agreement. Be in communication. Yeah. And so that's what wasn't happening earlier.

I would just use that as an avoidance tactic to just numb myself out. But there's no numbing in my household. Create a safe, loving boundary. You have two beings that know way too much to go there and call each other out. And three other beings in the house, younger beings that are just a reflection of our character, you know, a reflection of our problems, you know know a reflection of like our own habits you know and um so we just have to be mindful of that when when we're too caught up in work i find them being pulled away or they start acting out you know and then it's like okay that's a product of us not paying attention enough okay time to go do a family activity or spend one-on-one

time with them you know so it's just find a way, which means sometimes sacrificing myself, but then when you do it out of love, it's sustainable and I could do that and give up my time because it turns out to be playing at the end. Yeah. You know, you kind of go through a little tension, hear their emotions, and then after all that, crack a joke. And then now you're telling about the day and the memes she saw and what, you know, and it becomes fun and playful at the end. And then at the end of the day, it's like, oh, that's what I needed. I needed to connect with the kids, you know?

I needed to have more than, oh, I got to get my client work done. I got to get my exercises in. I got to get my meditation in. That is the meditation. That's a practice. That's a love practice. That's a practice of love, you know, of connection.

What else is there in this life? Just like, I say that to myself all the time. What else is there except sharing love, but first getting it for yourself, within yourself, and then sharing that? Because if you don't have that, then you're just taking love and that's not really sharing you're just taking and that's the opposite of what it'll run out

yeah they will run out they will run out exactly and so um yeah it's getting into this whole independence thing and so being being on top of my phone addiction is definitely and i'll find i'll find myself like i've sat on the couch like maybe two weeks ago and i just picked of my phone addiction is definitely... I'll find myself. I've sat on the couch maybe two weeks ago. I just picked up my phone and clicked on Instagram. Then I turned it off. I put it down and I go, I caught myself. We were watching a show. It wasn't because Instagram went down, was it?

No, no, no. I didn't even notice it went down yesterday. But I turn to Sarah and i shared these things with her and i go um i noticed i picked my phone up unconsciously clicked social media and then i realized what are you doing and i turned it off and i chose to be present with you and then she just smiled and kind of gave me a kiss and put her head on my shoulder yeah but it was like i was sharing my conscious thought like that's that's a win yeah that is a win. You know, it's a huge win. And, uh, but I try to be very mindful about things. And even when we smoke bags on bags, you know, I'll, I'll, I'll be aware. I

go, okay, I haven't been by a bag in 10 hours. I haven't even thought about it once. He's talking about vapor, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um, smokeless smoking. Yeah. Um, But it does have nicotine. And so, you know, people get addicted to it. My parents smoked for 30 years and I've never smoked a cigarette in my life, you know, but tobacco is different. It's, you know, organic tobacco and even, you know, not locally sourced because no one grows tobacco in Austin, Texas, but getting sourced tobacco that's cleaner than a cigarette, which is filled with over 4,000 chemicals, I don't need to go into this.

I think it's less tobacco than it is anything else. Yeah. But then I'm mindful. What am I needing? Or what am I wanting? What am I craving? And if I'm craving something, I try to eliminate it. If it's not helping me like that quick video game is for like three minutes,

10 minutes, whatever it is, I try to limit myself so my body retains its natural flavor. Just like sugar. People that eat sugar, then they can't taste blueberries and strawberries. Oh, yeah. But they're so tasty. But when you detox yourself from sugar, then you're like, oh, my God, this is what this tastes like. I find it takes about three weeks.

Yeah. Three weeks for someone, once they come off sugar for the, the taste buds to adjust and, uh, or I don't know if it's the taste buds, but it's their, their senses to return.

And, uh, yeah, it's hard to convince people all the time. I mean, I still hear stories. stories um i live in a fucking health conscious bubble but i still hear stories where people don't want to drink water because they don't like how it tastes what the fuck are you talking about it doesn't really taste

like anything but uh you know they want they want to have some type of overpowering flavor. Remember the old Gatorade? The Gatorade that wasn't very sugary and then they started pumping it full of sugar. Yeah, it's wild. It's wild. It's painful to see. They've done studies where

kids who drink five sodas a day or more, I think they put sugar in water and they said, tell me what you can taste the sugar. And it took like 12 teaspoons for the kids in drinking water to taste sugar. And it's mind-blowing. Because I can taste the difference

in different waters that I drink. Oh, yeah. I'm like, oh, I don't like this water. It doesn't taste right. Yeah, I can taste the difference between bottled waters. I travel a lot and most tap water in most parts of the world, in the United States anyway, I'll drink tap water. This is what's funny.

I'll drink tap water in a lot of places in Costa Rica, but I won't drink the tap water in California because I know in California they're pumping all sorts of places in Costa Rica, but I won't drink the tap water in California. And because I know in California, they're pumping all sorts of chemicals in there. But I know in Costa Rica, they don't put really anything in there. In fact, it's a blue zone.

And where I was at, I was in Costa Rica last week, it's a blue zone. And a blue zone is where there is an unusually high amount of centennials people who live beyond uh 100 years old so it's there's like uh there's only a few blue zones in the world uh one's in uh one's in your okinawa japan uh one's costa rica uh i'm not remembering the other ones are you familiar with this okay so yeah there's a few blue zones around the planet where there's just a lot of people living to be really old and healthy.

Not just old because they've got really good pharmaceutical and biotech, but because they can actually still wipe their ass at 110 years old, right? So there's always a lot of variables, you know, and nutrition is a big one. But in Costa Rica, one of the things that they attribute to it being a blue zone is it has a high, the water there has a high concentration of calcium in it. So people are just getting loads of calcium through the water there. So it's just, it's good for the muscles. It's good for the bones. I mean, it water there. So it's good for the muscles.

It's good for the bones. I mean, well, it's good for a lot of things. Yeah, calcium has to release for muscle to contract. Yeah. So it's, anyways, I'll be in Costa Rica and I'll be drinking tap water there. But if I'm in Austin, Texas, no fucking way. By the way, I did drink some tap water when I was in New Orleans once. And I threw up. Yeah, I did drink some tap water when I was in New Orleans once, and I threw up.

Yeah, I stay away from tap water. I think I could taste fuel in the water. All right. That's what it tasted like to me. They just put Red Bull in their water. They just put Red Bull. But I can, going back, I can taste the difference between bottled waters and one brand of water to another. And I can go, oh, this is sourced from, like, my favorite is Starkey Water.

And it's from Idaho. And it's from the mountains of Idaho. It's from, like, two miles deep. Is it called Two Miles Deep? It's on the bottle, two miles deep. It's Starkey Water. Yeah, that's shit. That's my favorite.

And then I can tell the difference between that and Mountain Spring Water, which comes from Arkansas. So yeah, you're right. If you become, if you eat really clean long enough and you're in an environment that's fairly clean, you can start noticing differences in taste of water. And yeah, you're right. These kids can't even taste sugar in their water until, it's crazy. And if you could taste the difference between

water, you become that in tune, you're probably going to be able to feel different emotions. You're probably going to be able to feel different people's energies. You're going to be able to feel what your state is like in the, in the given moment, because if you're just polluting yourself, there's no way it's like, you know, your phone, when you get your phone, it's brand new, it gets signal and then you drop it like a hundred thousand times. And then the signal starts going down and the battery life shortens up because you overcharged it. You polluted it with all these photos and apps. And all of a sudden now the processing speed can't keep up and you got to it out a little bit and then oh it runs faster again oh you know picks up signal

better you know um i used to think detox retreats were bullshit i was like what i got a detox from i eat i i i exercise and now after having gone down and done retreats where it's like no we're gonna eat twice a day and it's going to be there's like no sugar very little salt very little flavoring and uh you know like recently i went down when i went to Costa Rica i went to a retreat and it was two weeks of strict diet ahead of time where every all my food was bland like no even red meat nothing fatty no salt no no sugar. I was like, shit, man. No caffeine. And then when we get down there, it gets even stricter. And then on top of doing medicine, doing ayahuasca, which also enhances your sensitivity. And now I'm on the back end and I still have some restrictions for the next month.

And I'm going through what'll end up being about seven weeks of restricting my diet and it's not because I used to think about it was like oh people are trying to do it to lose weight or this or that like I had the context all wrong and now and maybe you know people are doing it for that but my context for it is improving my sensitivity and getting more in tune with what my body really needs and doesn't need. And yes, I do better on when I'm eating red meat. But I'm not eating it right now because I'm becoming like I'm doing things to become more sensitive to that. And so as I introduce things back in, I go, oh, that's what's really happening when I put this in. And a lot of people report after having those

experiences they come back i've had this too which is like i thought i really liked this food and next time i put it in my body i just like i'm not doing it anymore you know and like i like i can't put if i put just regular beef in my body total rejection like it's got to be quality i can like when i put in my mouth i can like i can see the difference for one if i can go to if i go to a steakhouse i can look at the steak and go that's not that was not humanely raised grass-fed beef and then if i put in my mouth 100 no doubt in mind, it's like this isn't even good to me anymore. Like my body is rejecting this. And on an autonomic level, like when people don't understand detoxing,

you know, we have our organs process emotions and thoughts also and also the physical stuff. And so our body will put things aside until it's ready, just like paperwork, just like tasks. And you go, okay, well, I have this task to do. I have to filter what I need to filter. And then when I can't, I'll get to this stuff later. You know, so just the same way as we can hold our poop in, right? Even though it's like, hey, knocking on the back door.

Hey, let me out, you know? And you're just like, no, I have to sit through this meeting. I can't excuse myself to go release this. And so what happens? You just pollute yourself. So what happens? The liver has to process that. The kidneys have to process all that stuff.

And then where does that, where those toxins get stored? In our fat cells, and we accumulate fat. And you're just like, well, how come I'm gaining weight? I'm doing detoxing. Well, it's like, no, you're not. You just need to give your body less stuff to do, which is part of those retreats where there's like, you're not processing heavy red meat.

You know, you're not processing, which is not a saying, which is not a claim to not eat that stuff. It's, it's just give your body a break because you've already polluted it so heavily that it can't even process that. You know, it can't,

you can't process a conversation when you're so tired. Too much of any one thing. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's just giving your body a massive break. We had meals with no meat in them. That would have, five years ago, that would have broke me. I would have been like, these motherfuckers don't know what they're doing.

And I'm like, all right, I had eggs this morning, and that's going to be the only animal protein I get all day. Okay. And that's how I eat every day. Sometimes I'm like, I don't want meat. And I'll just eat a bunch of vegetables and I'll make like a medley. What do you think about this carnivore diet? I think it's just a tool just like everything else.

I think a lot of people get success from veganism because they cut out commercial meat, which is full of pollutants. And then they're like, this is the best thing. Until five, seven years later, their body starts crumbling.umbling their energy level starts dropping their hormones start getting deregulated and they're they become dogmatic about this belief of like this is what i'm doing and the same thing with the carnivore diet you know it's it can stabilize the body but the end of the day is you have to ask yourself is this helping me in all areas of my life, you know? And if it is, and you can look at yourself in the mirror and go, okay, my skin's healthy, I'm functioning, I have no pain, I can clearly process my emotions, my thoughts,

relate and share love with my family and to the people I come in contact with, great. But I use everything as a tool. Carnivore diets, I use that as a tool. If you're eating tons of meat and it's affecting your kidneys, then your body isn't processing it, no matter how good anyone claims it is. It's putting dogmas aside, and then you just become another Christian pushing their beliefs onto you.

It's just like, no, you've got to do this too. You've got to believe in Jesus Christ. Work for me. Yeah. It'll work for you. Which is the beautiful thing once you get away from dogmas is you can practice anything. You know, that's why the Buddhists don't care.

They're like, well, we practice everything. That's your truth. That's wonderful. You know, we'll practice this. You practice that. You know, they're not knocking on anyone's door. They're like, there's... The only one's not killing motherfuckers.

It's just like, this is an option. You can do this if you want. See if it helps you, you know? And it's like, that's the way I look at everything. And I studied it from religions and different modalities and training methods. And I've seen modalities and I'm like, this is

just craziness. This is going to kill people. This is going to push them into a dream fatigue. And at the same time, I'm like, I could see where that would be effective. Under the right circumstances. Not for everybody. For a short period of time. For the right under the right circumstances you know not for everybody for a short period of time for the right person yeah yeah i always uh knowing what i know now and like thinking about dogma when it comes to i mean nutrition and training is easy to spot but then you get tuned into uh like the everyone has dogma in their life. They're called beliefs.

And getting tuned into these subtle beliefs that are running the show, these little subtle dogmas, and then getting, I've gone down, I know you've gone down these rabbit holes too, where we go down these rabbit holes of like, wow, I had this belief I've been running my whole life off of,

and now I don't believe that anymore and then all of a sudden like everything looks different everything's brighter like all new possibilities start showing up and then i go back and i talk to someone who's dogmatic about a training program i go whoa that's like that's way out there because i remember it was it was only five i remember five years ago talking people like this is the best squat program on the planet everybody should be doing it i'm like it's a fucking squat program and what you're describing is on on one level what how what it looks like when healing occurs like you're literally describing it you know once you've

healed from a dogma you're like oh i can see it for what it is instead of what i'm being told it is you could see it for yourself and that's that's what enlightenment is so you you you became enlightened in looking through program designs you know looking through programs looking through people's nutrition looking through people's uh beliefs are on exercise and what they need to do to get their body, quote unquote, healthy, you know, and functioning when really they're like injury after injury after injury. And you're like, how is this working for you? You're like, oh, it's the best thing ever. You know, as they're putting on rock tape and knee braces and elbow sleeves and wrist guards,

and you're like, are you exercising? Are you doing like MMA? What are you doing? You know, it comes down to self-validation. Are you validating this for yourself or are you relying on blogs and podcasts and people outside of yourself to tell you to do this thing? Oh, there's enough. There was all this research.

There was all this, even scientific research that says this is good for you it's like they every time studies are conducted they're outliers and you know what they do with the outliers they throw out the data they don't even include it it's part of the scientific process you're likely an outlier in many different things that are being studied so you have to if you ever want to i hate saying get to your potential because yeah fuck it if you ever want to like really tap into your potential you have to get into a self-validating process and get tuned into is this really like oh this is the best fitness program on the planet.

Cool. Go try it out. And like you were saying, if you find yourself having to slap rock tape on and snort C4 to make it happen, it's better than boofing it. Then you should be getting to a point where you're asking yourself a question about it and it's

getting to the question it's it's honesty it's it's having the courage to question to be a heretic because that's what it is you start questioning a belief it you know we used to fucking burn people at stakes over that shit it's heresy and then what's happening culturally where one person disagrees with the rest of the people because they have validated for themselves that that's no longer true you know they get punished by the group of people but we do it to ourselves too we become our own heretic there's a part of there's the heretic in every one of us that is bringing a point up to the other parts of ourselves saying, hey, what about this? I don't think this is true.

You're like, shut up. You're a heretic. And then like, how long can you keep that heretic quiet? Yeah, before you burn yourself alive. Exactly. And end up in a hospital somewhere. Yeah. Yeah.

That's exactly right. But yeah, what we're talking about is real freedom. There's nothing more powerful and limiting than beliefs that don't serve us. And most of our childhood is getting out of our parents' beliefs. And I know there's some beliefs that you could take and go, actually, I believe in that. But then how much of the beliefs that you're running on are stuff that you don't even believe, but you're just unconsciously doing them. There's a subconscious voice i i still find them like i may probably till the day i die i'll uh i'll be in a meditation or i'll be

in a conversation or i i catch it now there's there's uh i have gotten to a point in my awareness where I am watching. I'd say I catch 90% of the words coming out of my mouth. And I'll be talking to somebody and I'll say something. I go, that's really fucking funny. I said that. Which means, and then there's, which I hear myself say, and I go, do I actually believe that? And I go, I don't believe that.

However, the fact that it came out of my mouth means there is a part of me that does believe that. Time to investigate. And then the journal comes out and we start digging. And yeah, it gets interesting. Yeah, we have a system that we practice. And we find the trigger. And how is this affecting us? And we go into,

what do we do to fix it? And how do we master this? You know, cause that's what, you know, people think enlightenment is like, once you achieve enlightenment, you're like, God,

you're like, you know, you did your ayahuasca journey. You experienced that. You're like, Holy shit, I'm enlightened, you know?

But then when you actually do the work and truly free yourself from those thoughts beliefs actions whatever whatever it is that was locking you up now you just become enlightened in that one small speck you know tiny it's funny for uh people who start the the process they're like a year or two in, they're like, oh, they, I mean me. I'll stop projecting all over you. I, you know, the first, but I say they because I see, you know, I notice it and others do it. I see a trend. But yeah, like first couple of years, it's like, oh my God, I've come so far. And I did.

I did come a really long way. But yeah, it's like anything else. The further you go down, the more you realize, oh, I'm so far from this. It's not even funny. The more you know, the more you don't know. The more you realize you don't know. Yeah. There was a moment in my journey where I go, am I going to become enlightened in this lifetime?

Like, true enlightenment is completely demolishing every belief. And this is my perspective on enlightenment, is demolishing every belief where there's nothing left. It's a complete and total annihilation. And I've also heard from people who, there's only a handful of people that have gotten there and it's like yeah you probably don't even want that like that's not that's not even because you're no longer even playing the game of life yeah your ego doesn't want that you know that's that's the thing is obviously not no because most people in their lifetime can't even answer the question who are you when someone says who are you? When someone says, who are you?

They're like, oh, I'm, and then identify with the thing. Yeah. And then it's like, are you sure? Because in your actions, it doesn't look like you identify with this,

you know, and like being able, and once you heal from a certain thing, like whether it be identity issues or looking at, um, exercise dogmas or diet, you can see for things for what they are. And that's what the kind of the Buddhist practices, the whole practice of all this isn't, isn't to, and I got, you can see things for what they are, and that's what the Buddhist practice is.

The whole practice of all this isn't too, and I've read this out of Houston Smith's Religions of the World, I think, and he goes through every religion and he tells stories about in his journey through studying each

religion very, very deeply for years and years and just immersing himself in the culture and the religion. And he was, in one of the stories, he goes,

oh, this guy comes up to the Roshi or the master and he goes, oh, he goes, I want to be enlightened or I forgot what he says, something in that context. And he goes,

and then Roshi goes, why? And he's like, oh, because I want to know everything. I want to be one with God. And he's like, roshi goes why and he's like oh because i want to know everything i want to be one with god he's like that's not why you and you like unloaded on you that's not why you become enlightened and then he like gave him a couple seconds and he calmed down and he goes this is about seeing things for what they are you know and that's that's why i was repeating that is and um and it just like rang true because there's so many times that someone tells you something and you can see right through the words into what the intention is.

And you can always go to the higher self of the individual and they always mean good. But you're not usually speaking to someone's higher self. You're usually speaking to their ego and what they think that they want. And most people can't see through that as a person or even as a coach, you know. And if you don't work on that yourself, because if your ego is, you know, running wild, you're just seeing other egos running wild. And so as you learn to see past that, you'll be able to identify easily who is running wild and who is on that same level because they'll be a light in the room

and you're like, oh, there's something different about this person. You'll just instantly know without knowing. It'll just be that level of soul just dropping that bomb on you. Without you even consciously thinking about it, you're like, there's something different here. When you walk in a room, they're like, this room feels different. This person feels different. This environment feels different. You know, what, you know, and, and they may be like hiding it, you know, they're the silent

healer, they're the silent master, you know, just walking around, fumbling around, doing whatever they're doing. But really they're, they're a hardcore monk inside that just works on themselves. You don't know until you do it for yourself and then you'll know yeah that's that's uh if you can be there as a coach you'll attract good clients yeah you and you'll definitely have noticed the more development i do i start attracting people that are ready for this kind of development and i've been i've noticing i've been getting a lot of younger and younger men and like lost i need to i need to have a direction but i have all these parental attachments and i have all these you know ideas of what i should be like and who i should be with and just asking them questions it just blows their mind apart you I, no one's ever asked me these questions before, you know, and they're so simple questions, you know, um, I'm not going to get into them here,

but, um, uh, the, yeah, that's where I was going with this. Yeah. It was just the more as, as I, as I get firm with who I am. And as I start working through these, I find them everywhere and everyone. And most of my coaching, people come in thinking it's about exercise. And then we spend 10, 12 hours talking about their family life and their mental, emotional stresses. And then they leave and they come back

and they look leaner and their skin looks better. And they're like, I'm like, man, you look better. I remember the other man, you look tired, but your skin looks a lot better. He's like, oh yeah, I didn't get any sleep last night. But he's like, I'm like, man, you look, you look better. I remember the other man, you look tired, but your skin looks a lot better. He's like, oh yeah, I didn't get any sleep last night. But, but he's like, thank you, mate. I've just been catching up on my water and catching up on cutting out these things that you talked about that you thought they were affecting me.

They're affecting me. And I tried it out and clearly they're working. My energy levels are higher than I've ever been. And, and I haven't even given them their exercise program yet. Yeah. You know, and it's like, it just, through my experience, I realized the more you get down to the emotional stress, it's like putting your finger in an outlet and then telling someone to relax. Like, how are you going to do that? And you clear that, those erratic energies that need to leave and just need to move through your body.

And then they could think. And then they're like, ah. You know? And then they could think, and then they're like, ah, you know, and then think clearly and then move my body and then listen to my body instead of all the static that's going on. And so that alone, that mental, emotional and thoughts and not the stress behind all those things help have

been helping people more than, than, than the exercises themselves, you know, and then the soft tissue work obviously is helpful. And then the exercises are helpful because, you know, you work from ground up and from up down and you meet in the middle. And interestingly enough, the heart is in the middle of your chakras, right? One, two, three, and then seven, six, five, and then four is that middle bridge between, between the animal and the higher self. And I mean, it all, as above, so below,

it just, it all works, it all matches up beautifully together, you know? And so, and mostly when people come to coaches, they don't have a problem getting themselves to murder themselves in the gym. It's, they have a problem with understanding through the mind of someone that can teach you exercise and how to eat right and how to go to bed on time

and when to go to bed and all these other things but how to manage your own emotions properly and then use exercise as a tool to strengthen your body while it's in alignment and that becomes the the win the true coaching

you know and I'm not I'm also not trying to you know speak harshly on people that don't have those tools, but just be aware of them. They exist. You could find them. Yeah, coaching goes beyond writing workouts, teaching movement, and prescribing macros. And something I want to bring awareness to is, I can't remember if I brought this up in the last one is as people get evolved with these tools themselves let's say they didn't get these tools yet they're just coaching

right and they're or teaching like group class but then all of a sudden their soul starts craving more and they notice their their coaching isn't fulfilling anymore that's a call to do something else. That's a call to learn another tool. And then you look where that tool, like what am I missing in my coaching? And then go find someone that can teach you that tool. Because if your soul

isn't calling you to do that, you may be attracting people that just need a group class. And that's okay. You know? But then when you yourself starts evolving to a higher level, your clients are

going to get harder. And then you're going to be teaching a group class where there's 10, 20, 30, 50 people and you're aware of everything. And then you're like, what do I do with this? And then write down your problem and then go find the solution for that. Learn about that solution, integrate it into your life. And then you're going to notice your coaching evolves, you know? And, um, I forgot what you were saying earlier, but I was, it made me think of something funny when, uh, uh, we don't do these things all the

time. It's like being that higher state. Like we don't, we don't drink up and we don't wake up and drink our morning ayahuasca every morning, you know? and like, oh, I didn't get my ayahuasca in the morning. I'm going to do it in the afternoon real quick. Oh, I'm one with God. Time to live my day. You know, it's just you're going to lose out on being a human, you know, and that's just a tool to get the whispers. You know, it's a tool to quiet down your thoughts and your ego

so you can hear the higher self and then give you something to practice if you're having a hard time getting out of your own head, you know it's a tool to quiet down your thoughts and your ego so you can hear the higher self but then give you something to practice if you're having a hard time getting out of your own head you know um and um but i i definitely think that as long as people are even aware of their own troubles write them down right and then see what see where that leads you find solutions for these things and then I'm telling you well you already know I guess I'm telling you though whoever's listening that your your clients are gonna evolve and they're gonna come at you even harder and to test you yeah are you sure you're doing this effectively? Because we have these problems, and we're attracted to the tool that you have or you're about to learn.

Because as I was learning through the check system and growing, and I've noticed people would come to me like a week or two before with the problem that I'm about to go learn. Yeah. Yep. So they're coming. That's how it works. Yeah. And. So they're coming. That's how it works. Yeah. And it's... It's when you're on the right path

because the universe is preparing you. It's giving you context for the information that's coming. And to someone that's never experienced this, this seems crazy. That's true. I already know this. Yeah.

This happens in my coaching still. They're like, why are we doing core values? Why are we doing boundaries? Why are we doing dreams? Why are we figuring out my parental stuff? And then we start going into it and then they're like, oh,

and then it's like, holy cow. I didn't even know I was reenacting these patterns unconsciously and destroying my and sabotaging my life for no reason and sabotaging my happiness when I want happiness, but I'm destroying it at the same time. It's like making food and throwing it in the garbage and saying I'm hungry, you know? Sounds ridiculous when you say it like that. Yeah. But we do it all the time in all different aspects if you take that metaphor

and just apply it and everything. I want more money. I want more time. But what are you doing with your time? I need more money. Well, what are you going

to do with this money? I want to be stronger. But what are you going to do with that strength? Why do you need to be stronger? It's like, but you're getting stronger

but your health doesn't decline. And it's just these thoughts and these patterns just repeat themselves over and over again until someone, whether it be a successfully trained coach or themselves, finally wake up. You know, it's usually my clients are like, hey, I've tried. I spent 50 grand on other coaches or I've spent, you know. I've had someone tell me they've spent 20 grand on pillows, you know, because I can't get my neck to be comfortable.

Damn. Yeah. And then they're like, something about you feels right. And then that's literally how most people find me. Something about you felt right. And they could have picked all the other gyms. I don't do any marketing. You know, I don't put myself out on Facebook in terms of sponsored ads.

Not yet. Because I don't know how to market this. I'm doing my best to teach this guy. We haven't gotten... Mike's not failing. We just haven't gotten into that stream yet. The conversation has begun. Yeah.

Awesome. Let's wrap this bad boy up i know you've got places to be and yeah i'll have a quick chat after this um you're in austin and do you offer anything outside of austin yeah i do remote coaching cool you know it limits to what i can do physically you know body work and structural alignment and stuff like that but i can always guide people to where they need to go but yeah i do all my i can do physically, you know, body work and structural alignment and stuff like that. But I can always guide people to where they need to go. But yeah, I do all my, I can do a lot of my coaching online and I, I do. Where do people find you? Uh, primalfusionhealth.com. You can find us on Instagram, primal underscore fusion. Um, and I think our Facebook is, uh, primalfusionhealth

or facebook.com. Cool. And if someone's in Austin, because I know we have a lot of people that listen in Austin. By the way, I'll be in Austin. Well, by the time this comes out, I'll be in Austin. I'll be in Austin the month of April. So maybe I'll put together

some type of gathering. Not maybe. I will definitely put together some type of gathering while I'm there. We'll be hanging out. If someone's in austin where they find you same spot no they just have to contact me because we work out of our house and so so people can see how we live and so it's not a um so it's an authentic expression of what we tell people they can come

to our house and when they when they do get qualified enough to become a client and they come to our house, they see that there is no separation between what we say and what we do. We really have built our house as to our, since we spend most of our time in it, as our level of happiness. It has all the tools to achieve that happiness and we want to share that with other people. So once they reach out to us through either alex. primalfusionhealth.com or through the phone number that's on the website. At primalfusionhealth.com?

Correct. Cool. Yeah. Making sure the listeners are picking it up. Okay. And yeah, and then they'll come to our house. Or they just sign up online. And if they're not in Austin, I just send them the paperwork. They fill it out.

They bring it back. I analyze it. And then we just do Skype calls. Excellent. Thanks for joining me today. Thanks for having me. See you all next week, folks. All right.

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