Barbell Shrugged - Barbell Shrugged  — Paleo for Performance w/ Ashleigh VanHouten  — 339

Episode Date: September 19, 2018

Ashleigh VanHouten is host of Paleo Magazine Radio podcast, writer for Paleo magazine, and a Primal Health Coach who divides her time between Ottawa, Canada, and New York.   Ashleigh is also a Primal Blueprint Certified Expert and has her CrossFit Strongman and Olympic Lifting certifications. In her spare time, Ashleigh is a nationally qualified natural figure competitor and also trains in powerlifting and BJJ.   In this episode, we talk about writing for Paleo Magazine, The Paleo Podcast, tips on how to start your own fitness blog, how to stand out in the fitness space, create powerful messages through podcasting, and more. Enjoy! - Doug and Anders ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Show notes at: http://www.shruggedcollective.com/bbs_vanhouten ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please support our partners! @organifi - www.organifi.com/shrugged to save 20% @thrivemarket - www.thrivemarket.com/shrugged for a free 30 days trial and $60 in free groceries @OMAX - www.tryomax.com/shrugged and get a box FREE with your first purchase @foursigmatic - www.foursigmatic.com/shrugged  to save 15% on your first purchase ► Subscribe to Barbell Shrugged's Channel Here ► Subscribe to Shrugged Collective's Channel Here http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedSubscribe 📲 🎧 Listen to the audio version on the Apple Podcast App or Stitcher for Android Here- http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedApple http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedStitcher Shrugged Collective is a network of fitness, health and performance shows that help people achieve their physical and mental health goals.  Usually in the gym, but outside as well. In 2012 they posted their first Barbell Shrugged podcast and have been putting out weekly free videos and podcasts ever since. Along the way we've created successful online coaching programs including The Shrugged Strength Challenge, The Muscle Gain Challenge, FLIGHT, Barbell Shredded, and Barbell Bikini. We're also dedicated to helping affiliate gym owners grow their businesses and better serve their members by providing owners tools and resources like the Barbell Business Podcast. Find Shrugged Collective and their flagship show Barbell Shrugged here: SUBSCRIBE ON ITUNES ► http://bit.ly/ShruggedCollectiveiTunes WEBSITE ► https://www.ShruggedCollective.com INSTAGRAM ► https://instagram.com/shruggedcollective FACEBOOK ► https://facebook.com/barbellshruggedpodcast TWITTER ► http://twitter.com/barbellshrugged

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We are here at Paleo FX hanging out with my main bro, super homie, Douglas E. Larson. Dr. Andy Galpin's hanging with a double back and bicep pose. And Colton is on the cam. And if you can't see Colton right now because he's holding the camera, he literally has a shirt on that he has owned since he is nine years old. His mom bought him this shirt because she thought it was cute. It was like, what does he even say? I just want to ride bikes with you.

He basically got this shirt so he could wear it into the frat party late at night and find some person that needed a friend. It's damn near a fishnet shirt at this point. It's just nothing but holes. That style is coming back in, you guys. That's what he's saying. He's making it cool. Literally, his pickup line in, you guys. That's what he's saying. Literally, his pickup line is, this would look really good at American Eagle right now.

He smells like... This would look really good on your bedroom floor. Abercrombie and Fitch. He's got blue water polo cologne on. Thank you. The only person that's not embarrassing right now our guest. Yet. We're working on it.

Hasn't spoken yet. Let her talk. There's still time. We'll get there. Ashley Van Houten. You're right. Look at that. Houten.

You're good. I've only been saying it wrong for the last two days. It's getting excited for this moment. And then I found out I was wrong. Glad we asked. Confidence was down. Now it's back up. How you doing?

I'm all right. Welcome to the show. Thank you. Thank you for being here. I am absolutely honored to be here. And not to sound corny, but it's kind of a big deal. I'm a right. Welcome to the show. Thank you. Thank you for being here. I am absolutely honored to be here. And not to sound corny, but it's kind of a big deal. I'm a little bit starstruck. How?

We just walked by you on the way to go get some delicious paleo food, and you were just talking away. I'm kind of popular here at this show, and that's the only place. So yeah, it lets me get a little full of myself, and then I go back to the real world. If it relieves any of the pressure, there's one person in this circle of trust here that has been talking about you literally for the last 72 straight hours after your first conversation. We had a great chat, right?

We did. We fucking killed it on the phone together. I was like, damn, Ashley's going to be like my fucking bro. Yeah, we're being messed up. We need to hang out. Yeah, can I be a super bro too? Because you introduced. Okay.

Yeah, you're a super bro. You're in. You're a super bro. You're in on the party. I feel like I've been left out because I just started following you on Instagram a minute and a half ago. I feel like I've been missing this now. Since I totally called you out 10 minutes ago about coming on my podcast. How was it improper? What did I do wrong?

Remember, it wasn't my fault. It wasn't your fault. Okay, yeah. It wasn't my fault either. I had to blame somebody kenzie would actually put us in connection and then sorry we're calling out brian here sorry brian so i so i went through brian mckenzie oh we found the weak link i got it he's a great guy brian for context you host the paleo magazine podcast yes yeah paleo magazine radio it's been um about a year and a half now, so I'm still, like, pretty new at it. But it's an awesome gig.

Like, I know why you guys like doing what you do. It's super fun. But you also get to pick out the people that you are interested in and the stuff that you're interested in and be selfish and just ask the questions you want answers to and then hope that other people enjoy it too. Like, it's a sweet gig. So you're pretty new.

You have, like, 200 shows. That's a lot of shows. Yeah, first uh 150 or so were not mean they were yeah yeah it's been tony right yeah it was tony federico yeah got rid of his ass yeah yeah he's out he's out i'm in um no he did a great job but uh yeah the podcast is a few years old and he kind of moved on and um the editor-in-chief of paleo magazine kane um asked if I wanted to do it. And I thought it was time to maybe have, like, a woman's voice. Because we do have a lot of female listeners, too. So I thought that was nice.

Yeah, yeah. A lot of women. Weird. A lot of women. I know. And I wonder. I want their feedback because I feel like I don't get feedback enough. But I am kind of, like, meatheading it out a little on the podcast a bit.

And I don't know if they like it or not. So they haven't told me they don't like it, but I'm trying to get MMA fighters and I have a friend who's a professional arm wrestler and that's the shit I'm into. So I'm hoping that they respond to it too, but we'll see. Arm wrestling? Arm wrestling.

It's such a cool sport. Such a badass sport. And so I'm into MMA too and there's something about the competition between two people. It's you and me and that's's very cool. I mean, well, and so I'm into MMA, too. And there's something about the competition between two people. Like, it's you and me, and that's it. No. Yeah. I'm out.

Oh, we're doing it. You too. I'm out. It's like in the arm wrestling thing, there's so much of it is about, like, intimidation and the process of, like, coming up and meeting each other. And you've got this, like, arm wrestling thing. And, I mean, there's women who do it, too. It's intense.

If you watch some YouTube videos, it's like it is serious. I feel like we're about to go on one here. Can we get a little context to your life, background, strength and conditioning, paleo, writing? Okay. I'll try to give you some context to my life. Because we're going to talk about all these things in depth. Yeah. Yeah.

Cool. So I don't have kind of like a cool triumph story how I got into paleo and fitness and stuff because I luckily don't have any kind of food sensitivities or any sort of health issues knock on wood I've been very lucky they allow you to work for paleo effects without being sensitive to gluten I can totally eat gluten and actually I can totally eat it I mean it makes me fat but like I can I can eat it you know so I try not to but yeah, I basically just have always loved like strength. I've always been attracted to strength in men or women or any kind of capacity. I just, I love muscles.

Always loved it. I remember like being five years old in my backyard, you know, playing in the sprinkler with my siblings. My mom's like, okay, pose downtime. We're all in our like bathing suits and doing like muscle man poses. And I was into it. I just always loved muscles. So as soon as I could i was right now don't know she's in the muscle bro was your mom into it too like most moms aren't trying to tell their daughters to like give a

double biceps in the yard she i i thank my mother for kind of exactly how i turned out to be for better or for worse but she was like she was a gym rat too growing up so she was always in the gym and strong and i think she um imparted that to me and it was never like it was never a weird thing for me to try to be as strong as I possibly could um and I didn't maybe throughout my life got some weird kind of feedback from dudes were like shoulders are probably big enough and stuff like whatever um but it I didn't really give a shit so anyway um yeah I kind of always worked out and I was like doing bicep curls when I was 16 and gym. And, um, I'm not really athletic per se, like I'm not good at team sports. And so I didn't really play a lot of them, but I knew that I liked athletic endeavors.

So I just had to find something that I was good at and that I enjoyed. So, you know, I did gymnastics for a bit. I did swimming for a bit. And then I got into CrossFit, as everyone does. And I liked it for a while. And then I stopped. That's what people do. There's an arc. You live in such a bubble. Like, everybody CrossFits.

I kind of do. Of course. I absolutely live in that bubble. We all live in that bubble. I think everyone works out every day. But, you know, that arc is very familiar, right? Like, people, like like find out about CrossFit because maybe they played sports in

college or something and now they're like just living a normal life and going to an office and they're like sad and they want to work out. So they find CrossFit and it's super competitive and you get like strong and jacked really fast and so people are super into it. And I did that whole thing. I didn't really get super competitive with it a little bit, but it was mostly just for fun. And then

I kind of kept moving on and I did some power lifting for a while and I really enjoyed that. And then I was into jujitsu and I'm still kind of into that on and off. And then I got into bodybuilding because I just wanted to see what I look like with a six pack because I never had one. And I found some success with that. I really enjoyed it. I'm not like super good at anything.

So I try to just kind of experiment and learn and try a lot of things because that's fun. Sounds like you're super good at being a badass, though. I try. I try. I'm pretending. And if you guys are convinced, sweet. Pretending. Yeah.

Always learning a little bit. You're kind of more powerlifting-ish now? I'd say. Powerlifter, bodybuilder? Right now it's more like bodybuilding, jiu-jitsu. And I was actually hoping to do a show this summer, and then I just kept eating, and so it's not like bodybuilding, jujitsu. And I was actually, I was hoping to do a show this summer and then I just kept eating. And so it's not going to happen now. But we'll see.

I'll start dieting tomorrow. I literally spent a month doing that. Like tomorrow I'll start. But I really, really enjoy the process of bodybuilding. This is something I talk about a lot because people, it's such a weird, dysfunctional, messed up, like extreme world. And people have a lot of shitty things to say about it because it can attract some really like dysfunctional eating and some weird kind of body image issues. Absolutely. But I had a positive experience with it and I learned a lot about myself and that's what all of these projects are about is, is learning. And then hopefully like,

you know, imparting some information to other people. That's kind of what my job is. So I really had a good time with it. It's amazing to see what your body's capable of. Yeah. Me and Andy have a friend named Lauren who used to be a weightlifter. He's a PhD biomechanist now. He was a Canadian national champion. He always used to say that weightlifting is good for you unless you compete in it. I feel like that's kind of how just your bodybuilding also. It's like that's a really healthy thing to do unless you compete in it. And then now it's not about health anymore. It's about winning. And to win, you need to do some things that might not be so healthy. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of the case with any sport, right?

Like when you go from recreational to serious, it's like you're making some sacrifices. It's at the expense of your health and lifestyle a lot of the time. But, you know, people make those sacrifices all the time. Whatever, we're going to die a little earlier, but we had fun. I'm not into that fasting because I'm going to live for everything. Can we talk about that?

Don't worry, that shit doesn't work anyways. Can we talk about that? I want to talk about that stuff. Which one? I believe that lie. No, hold on. We can come back to that lie if you want, but I want to know, of all those

things, which one do you feel like you were the best at the quickest? Bodybuilding. And here's why. Because you're so jacked. Because I'm so jacked. And because bodybuilding is a beauty contest and so much of it is about genetics. Because I'm hot. It's literally

genetics that you have no control over so i was a swimmer forever i have broad shoulders for my size but literally it's genetics if you do a figure competition they want broad shoulders and a tiny waist and that's what i genetically have i have no choice over it so um it worked out really well and like for other bodybuilders like i was just like creeping on ben down there like it's all about a lot of it. You and all the other women in this room right now. And me. Yeah.

And all the guys in the room, too. He was just casually hanging out, talking to someone, and he, like, made eye contact, and he, like, dropped that foot back and, like, turned his leg and, like, kind of gave that, like, most muscular pose. And I was like, you won. I hug him a lot. You won. Not because I know him well, but just,

I just, cause it's nice. I need to feel. Yeah. It's nice. You know who Ben has been. Ben was like a top 10 bodybuilder for a long time. He's like super smart.

300 pounds, like 8% body fat. One time. We talk about him daily. Yeah. Yeah. He's an awesome guy. I'm going to be listening to your podcast with him later because he's awesome.

I will say too, and this is something I can say because it can never be, um, you know, you can never kind of call me on it, is that if I had started jiu-jitsu earlier, like, I kind of feel like I'd be in the UFC right now. Ooh. Just saying. You can't call me on it because there's no way for us to ever disprove that. But I have been. And that's science, friends.

Put together contentions that can't be disproved i just that is science i love the sport so much and i've loved ufc forever i've been a huge fan i i love watching the sport i've interviewed a couple um mma fighters for my podcast and i i didn't get into it until i was like i started when i was well three years ago so when i was 30 and i feel like if I had started, if I had had more guts and known about it and started when I was like 16, like I'd be like fighting people for money right now. You're interviewing these people on the podcast.

You're interviewing these people on the podcast. It is the paleo podcast. Yep. And not everyone's paleo that's on there, right? Yeah. And that's, I'm glad that you brought that up so I can plug this because one of my biggest challenges, and I love to talk to you guys because you have success that I dream of having,

is Paleo Magazine Radio is a great podcast. We have great guests. I'm watching Joe Rogan and Ben Greenfield and Tim Ferriss, and I have a lot of the same guests, and I think I do a pretty fucking good job. Can I swear? I can swear, right? Of course I can. No, not on this show. Especially if you're hyped on yourself. Like, get after it, girl.

I'm really pumped. You do you. But because it's called Paleo Magazine Radio, for that reason, I feel like I attract people who are into paleo. And that's great. And they listen. But people who think it's a fad or don't give a shit about paleo will immediately dismiss it because they think that's all we talk about. And that's my challenge because I'm really trying to just bring people on who know things about

health and wellness and fitness and living a good life and all of these things. Well, it's the same thing with this conference. When Keith first asked me to come talk at Paleo FX, I just deleted the email. I'm like, I'm not going to that. That sounds ridiculous. You're part of the problem, Andy. I came down.

Actually, I was at a talk this morning and dude was just shitting all over most of the stuff that was floated around here. And I was like, wow, fuck yeah. I'm blown away by what's here right now. It feels like I'm at a keto conference and not a paleo conference. It's so popular. Except for the dude earlier was just shitting all over that, too. How do you make a keto cookie? I want to talk to this guy.

He's over there right now doing his book signing, too, actually. It was awesome. It wasn't like that. But he was basically saying, like, hey, look, there's people that don't have gluten sensitivity. And there's people that don't do well on paleo and had all the blood marker stuff. And if you've got this, this is not going to be a problem. And he just said we need to think, basically. But he was really impressed.

A blood type or something like that guy. God, I gave him a shout out. I think I know exactly who you're talking about. Moore, Brandon, Andrew Moore or something? Yeah, Dr. Maurer. guy uh god i gave him a shot i know i think i know exactly who you're talking about yeah more brandon andrew more something yeah dr mauer he was on the panel that i moderated yesterday yeah he well he was bringing like guys like that into knowing he what his position is so that's good yeah and i mean i kind of i i fight against the i'm biased because i work for paleo magazine but i fight against like paleo not working for people because I think that when you get past the um the misconception that it's like a fad diet and it's

what our cavemen ancestors ate and all that kind of crap and you boil it down to eating the least processed you know food that you possibly can and food that comes from nature and vegetables and animal protein that's essentially what it is and then all the details come later and it's personalized for you like i can't imagine that's a running theme through almost any diet is to eat whole real food yeah yeah but i just i can't imagine anybody who would not think that that's a good idea um and again there's there's details it's a branding issue for the most part it's a brand branding issue. But how do you change the brand? It's like anything that explodes, right? So like CrossFitters are doing bodybuilding all the time in the offseason now. Constantly.

When the Paleo thing happened, it was so unique. And finally, Rob Wolf had this podcast and was reaching all these people. And everyone was actually learning about the basics of nutrition. And then all of a sudden, nobody ate a carb. Yeah. And then everybody was like adrenal fatigue, and everyone was unhealthy. We probably took this thing a little too far. Or we didn't understand that it started as a clinical thing. It was never a performance thing.

And the sweet spot is probably somewhere in the middle. The biggest thing that I try to talk about on the podcast is that it's like what you were just saying. It's like educate yourself, learn from everybody here, but then don't take anything at face value. Do the things that work for you. So there's a very like sort of basic premise here, which is the unprocessed foods and the real foods and the high quality meat and vegetables and all that stuff. But then you need to take it upon yourself to do some research and read some books and talk to people that you think are smart and then figure some things out for yourself and experiment with yourself. And that should, and that's fun. Like that should be a fun thing instead of a chore.

I think that's kind of what it's all about. Do you do a lot of self experimentation? Yeah, I try to, I mean, I'm never going to be like Ben Greenfield levels of like, just putting light on my junk every day and stuff like I, which I'm sure he loves talking about it. And I can't, and you know, I don't want to like test my blood glucose every morning and I don't want to, you know, that kind of stuff. But I absolutely, and I'm in a cool position with the magazine, like I'm, I'm the products

editor. So I get all this stuff sent to me and like, I get to just like crush like paleo protein powder and bone broth. Yeah. It's awesome. So I get to try different things and I've like experimented with the keto thing and the fasting thing. And I like to play with this stuff. Um, and also because when I interview people on the podcast, I like to try different things and I've like experimented with the keto thing and the fasting thing. And I like to play with this stuff.

And also because when I interview people on the podcast, I like to really know what they're talking about. Like I actually read the books of the people who come on the podcast. And a lot of times they're like surprised. Like they're like, yo, you actually like read this entire book. I'm like, of course I did. Like I don't want to, you know, talk to somebody and have to pretend. Right. So that's my job is like learning and then trying to

teach other people who have been some of your favorite guests so far because like you said earlier your guest list is actually fucking stacked like if you go look at the guests you had the they're solid like every one of them i mean some well so i had charles poliquin on the podcast recently who you're making a i know char know Charles. I managed to like, and he's not like a big podcast guy. Like I, I'd only seen him on like Tim Ferriss. So I was like,

yeah, that's a get. Um, but I, I, uh, I accosted him at the bulletproof conference, um,

and kind of like maybe flirt with him a little bit. I don't know. I was like, Hey, like I have muscles too. And he's Canadian. So I always use that kind of in, cause I'm Canadian too.

So, um, and I got him on the podcast well I gotta get running here I have two passports I have an American passport if that helps you she's playing both sides of the fence absolutely absolutely typical woman I can jet back up north too yeah we'll see we'll see those Canadians coming this way we'll see too many infiltrating we're problematic um no Charles Poliquin was amazing. He was fun.

I've had, so she's here too, paleo boss lady. She suffered from severe MS and managed to overcome it by, as we were just saying, learning and doing her own research. And she went through a very, very strict autoimmune protocol diet. And she says, I don't know what the exact term is, but she's like the most healed MS sufferer because she went from being completely, um, dysfunctional. She couldn't move. She didn't have movement in her hands, um, to people basically saying she was gonna be bedridden for life. And now here she is like touring around the world and,

and, you know, telling her story to people. And she's just such a like positive, grateful person. And I think I need a little bit more of that positivity in my life. So I really like talking to her. It was kind of an emotional podcast. Andy, do you know if someone has MS to that degree, as they're coming out of it, do they remyelinate those nerve cells? I don't know. I don't have any.

There may be data on that, but I don't know. I've never really looked into that. I can tell you that Reggie Edgerton's work at UCLA has shown very clearly that he can take people that have been, you know, hemiplegic or paraplegic or spinal cord de-innervation for decades and get them to move again. And I don't know, I don't think he's using nutritional interventions, but that is possible. It's just a very simple.

So that's one of those things where I would believe it. There might be research on there. There might not. I don't know. Yeah. That's a good question. Ask her maybe. What does your diet look like if you are so open-minded in this paleo field,

which at times can be incredibly closed-minded? Yeah. I mean, I think people are starting to move away from that a little bit. I know I'll post things. I do social media for paleo magazine and I'll post things and we'll post a recipe and it'll have like legumes in it or something. I don't know, like peas. And people, not even. Doritos.

Smash more in the middle. Trust me. White bread. Covered in mayonnaise. Literally one of these recipes had like white potato and people freaked out. But when we respond and say like, look, it's not about, like, the specific rules. It's like, if you don't like white potato, don't put the white potato in. But for some people, it's cool.

And people usually chill out. But, yeah, I hope people are becoming a little bit less dogmatic. I basically try to eat. I eat a lot of, like, game meat, a lot of organ meat. I eat a lot of, like, the fun stuff. Yeah, let's talk about organ meat. What do you go with? So I have a local farmer who, a local farm, and they have all kinds of exotic animals.

And they have every part of the animal. I have a massive beef tongue in my freezer right now. So this is Ottawa. So I'm basically, I'm halfway between, I'm in Ottawa half the time and New York half the time. Is Ottawa, what coast is that? It's sort of on the East Coast, but it's in the middle. It's not on a coast. It's near Toronto.

It's near Toronto. It's in Ontario. How about where's Toronto? It's by the Great Lakes. Detroit. Yeah, okay, there you go. That's close. Anyway.

In the middle. Yeah, so great firm. So, yeah, I have like a massive beef tongue.'d like to do liver i like to do heart um i've always and i don't know why i'm like this that's really another good sound bite i don't know why i'm like this um but i i grew up eating kind of normal food like people weren't super adventurous in my family but i i guess i just i have like a very expanded palate like i like to eat like insects i like to eat all the things which also makes it hard to diet and eat healthy when you literally will eat anything i have like stomach like steel trap um but uh yeah i mean i i um i do like a bodybuilding diet a lot of the time that basically is leans more towards paleo so like a lot of like sweet potato and like greens and

fatty meat which is not typical bodybuilding, but like chicken thighs and red meat and, you know, organ meat and that kind of stuff. Can you talk me more detail about the carbohydrate? Because you got two strikes against you in terms of being female and being probably really active. I'm just assuming with all that you can't do jujitsu and bodybuilding. Like those are, I mean, do you, those are two things that people would have a very hard time on being low carbohydrate. Yeah. Generally.

So where are you? Do you know your numbers? I am not low carbohydrate at all. And I actually do much better. Like I could talk about the whole my keto experience, but I actually do. I do much better on honestly a typical bodybuilding, like higher protein, higher carb, lower fat. I do better in terms of body composition and energy. I have a hard time because I am a small person who likes to eat.

I have a really hard time with a high fat diet, which is what everybody's doing these days because I need quantity. Like I am a quantity over maybe even quality kind of person. Like I can't eat three macadamia nuts and that's my snack. I can't do it. So keto was like a really not a good thing for me and also being kind of person. Like, I can't eat three macadamia nuts, and that's my snack. I can't do it. So keto was, like, a really not a good thing for me and also being an active person. But, I mean, I'm actually, like, my pie chart of macros, because I try not to be too obsessive over that,

is, like, kind of, like, a third, a third, a third. Really? Yeah. And where do you get the carbs from for the most part? Yeah. So sweet potato, rice, and oatmeal. I don't care. Whatever.

I eat that stuff. I love it. I'm telling Keith right now. Yeah. Go tell him. Listen, it works for me. I was smart and mindful about trying all of the different kind of carb sources. And if something didn't work for me, it didn't work.

But I don't eat a lot of fruit, but, like, maybe berries and stuff. But, again, like, being a small person, like, in my head, I am, like, a 200-pound dude and want to eat accordingly. But I'm not that. So it's really hard for me. I have to always kind of be. Are you moving to SoCal anytime soon? Are you training, eating, all the things?

I don't know if I can do California. I feel like I'm, like, too high strung. Whatever. I would switch you in a heartbeat. I'd go to Ottawa. If you live in Canada and you go to New York, you would find SoCal to be so refreshing. But I almost feel like I couldn't. So refreshing.

In 70 every day. Weather, yeah. Weather I could do. But New York, when I moved to New York, people were like. New Yorkers aren't assholes. New Yorkers aren't assholes. You live in Carlsbad. You don't live. People were like assholes. Most of the time. New Yorkers aren't assholes. You bro. You live in Carlsbad.

You don't live. Pacific Beach. Come on. You're halfway between the two shit holes in Carlsbad. You think he's ever been to anybody? He's still wearing the same shirt from when he was nine. So I was in LA like last month. He wears girls clothes most of the time. I think,

I think Californians are very nice. Really? I don't know. I just, when I moved to New York, people were like, Hey, you know, people aren't super nice there.

And, like, everyone kind of moves really quickly. Is that why you talk so fast? I've always talked really fast. But I, you know, I did well in New York because I talk very fast and I walk very fast. And I moved there. I was living in Bermuda. I moved to New York for work. And they're like, you got to be careful because people are mean there.

And, like, they walk really quick. And, like, within an hour, I was, was like pushing people out of the way on the sidewalk. Like that's kind of my jam. So I don't know if California, I don't know. Yeah. Maybe. It's, I mean, I could do with the weather. It's an easy transition for a little while.

Yeah. Okay. Any other carbohydrates you'd like besides potatoes, rice? Because most people are down on the sweet potato bandwagon right now. Yeah. Some people, oatmeal. People are not liking sweet potatoes right now. No, as in like everyone not liking sweet potatoes right now.

No, as in, like, everyone knows that's a good carbohydrate. What other good carbohydrates besides? Because oatmeal, some people. Man, I don't know, really. Like, I'm really actually into, like, Japanese yams and purple sweet potato and stuff just because I really love the taste. But I don't, like, I, for someone who just said that I'm, like, an adventurous eater, generally, like, day to day, I try to keep it, like, the same kind of stuff. Like, you know, so I'll, especially when I'm like an adventurous eater, generally like day to day, I try to keep it like the same kind of stuff.

Like, you know, so I'll, especially when I'm trying to lean out, like every morning my breakfast will kind of be the same and lunch will kind of be the same. So I kind of just rotate a few different carb sources. I'm not doing like a lot. What do you do with a cow tongue? Good question. I haven't prepared it yet, but I did read a couple of recipes and apparently you slow cooker it and then it shreds and apparently you slow cooker it, and then

it shreds, and then you can make cow tongue tacos. But you do have to shave off the taste buds first. It's not born taco. It just doesn't sound appetizing. Or lettuce. I've had a tongue taco before. I've had a tongue. It's great. It's delicious. Tongue is delicious. I don't understand why

people don't like organ meat. That's the tasty stuff. When people used to hunt game, they would, like, give their dogs the muscle meat, and they'd eat the brain and the liver. We have, like, a weird thing, like, don't eat the brains. Like, as if it's going to be, like, we're going to start thinking like a cow or something. Yeah. Or I guess, like, the whole bad cow thing. Liver is disgusting.

Damn prions. I like it. You like liver? Yeah. How in the world do you like? I don't know. The tongue is, like, fatty and delicious. Yeah.

And brain is delicious. It's, like, cream. Hearts are delicious. Try a game, wild game liver, and then try a liver you would get in a store, and there's a real, real difference. The thing is, it is very strong tasting. Like, the downside is if you get, like, a beef liver or something, which is massive, and then you prepare it,

and then you are eating liver for, like, two weeks straight, which does get a little old. But, I mean, hey, you got to do what you got to liver for like two weeks straight, which does get a little old, but I mean, Hey, you gotta, you gotta do what you gotta do for the gains. Do you eat any more obscure organs? Like I feel like people say tongues are relatively common. Heart and liver are probably, those are pretty common. Do you eat anything else besides those three?

Chicken hearts, like just in the pan. Eyeball. So good. I've eaten, so I once, one of my favorite meals that I've ever had in New York was half a pig's head, roasted pig's head. So the tongue, the eye, the ears, the jowl, all of it. Oh, the jowl is probably amazing. And it was delicious.

Everything's good. Where was that at? That was in the U.S.? It was in New York, and the restaurant doesn't do it anymore, so boo. But you can still get a roasted pig at a couple places in New York if you really want to. Yeah. Nice. We're going to have to send you an Instagram message to find out where.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're going to take a quick break. Cool. Get back. I want to talk about Paleo Magazine, this writing career of yours. Let's do it. Awesome.

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Right? Anders. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Welcome back to Barbell Shrug. We are at Paleo FX in Austin, Texas, standing on this badass stage. All the people are looking at us.

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Ashley, Ben, Houghton in the house. It's me. You are one of the contributing authors to Paleo Magazine. That's right. You know what's really cool? I was checking out at the local grocery store, Sprouts, next to my house, and I picked up Paleo Magazine, and I opened to – You saw my mug I

saw you right on the like on the inside cover and then the next page all the faces and everyone and I said me and Mark you want to know like social credibility and I like walked over to the

checkout and I was like I'm interviewing her yeah no big deal I'm pretty sure the cashier didn't give a shit. No, definitely didn't. But I felt cool. The cashiers do give a shit, though, when I go to Whole Foods and I see Paleo Magazine and it's down here,

and so I take a couple and put them on the front of every other thing. They're like, I totally do that. And open it, and I'm like, oh, look at this cool article. This super awesome, probably really smart, pretty girl. Look at that. Yeah, I'm obnoxious. All the marketing, just your face. Got to do it.

Totally shameless. It's a hard world out there. You got to do what you can. When did you start doing the fitness thing? Was it a blog? So the writing for Paleo Magazine started because, and this is kind of a cool, not jokey, corny thing that I actually want to talk about, is when I'm

building my business, one of the things that I've learned the last couple of years, and it sounds sort of cliche, but it's building relationships is about what you can do for other people without thinking about the ulterior motive. Like all of us want to be more successful and make good connections and, and have good things happen to us career wise. But if you're always kind of, if that's always at the front of your mind, people can tell that and sense it. And it, it's kind of off putting. So if you go out there with the intention of how can I help other people and you really mean it, those things come back to you. Right. So anyway, so how it started with paleo magazine is I was doing a master's degree in communications and i had i uh was doing a publishing course and i had to do a case study on a magazine and at the time paleo

magazine was brand new and i figured that they'd actually answer me because they were kind of a smaller publication and i was just getting into paleo because i had done crossfit and i was learning about paleo so i reached out to kane who's the editor-in-chief and i said can i learn about your magazine and he he, again, like he, he didn't have to do this for me. I was just somebody out of nowhere. And he said, sure. So we spent some time together and I learned about the process and the publication and it was really, really cool. And a couple months later, he was looking for someone to write a restaurant review about Hugh kitchen. You guys have been, I'm assuming in New York. Okay. So it's like the

first paleo restaurant in New York. And it's a great spot um and i reached back out to him i'm like hey remember me like i'm a writer too do you want i can do it i'm in new york and uh he let me do it and it went well and i've been convincing him to let me write for the magazine ever since and it's it's been pretty successful um and now i get to do so every issue issue I do an interview with either like a paleo blogger or an author or something about what they do. And I do business spotlights. So people, a lot of the companies here are like people who are just kind of doing cool things, like innovative things, new products, food, stuff like that. So I get to interview those guys. I do product reviews.

So people get to send me like cool food and swag and I get to try it all out. When did you start writing? Writing for Paleo Magazine or period? And writing's hard. It takes five, six years before you even feel good about it, especially when you're doing fitness writing, like, to be creative enough that someone actually wants to read something you write and to have the knowledge to do it and to be able to portray an actual message

in 1,000 – what do you get, like 2,000 words? What's a normal article um it depends set 500 to 1500 depending um the jury's still out whether people want to read what i write i'm still working on that part yeah as as just a context i mean i used to write a weekly article for my gym i love writing we have a daily email that goes out of some sort of cool story of weightlifting um just i i love, but I find it to be a very hard thing because people don't want to spend the time when they could just get the quick Instagram video or the quick whatever it is. And to me, actually writing is like this really emotional process.

And a lot goes into it because i could tell you something over 2 000 words that's scattered and fucking sucks but to get that 2 000 words into 500 and make each sentence matter is a really really challenging process that absolutely i mean i'm probably eight years into writing something of that meaningful on a weekly basis and now it's a daily thing that we do um Um, it's so doing somebody that does it professionally is very interesting to me. Yeah. I mean, it's everything you just described is my, is my life is trying to write something that I think is meaningful that people will like, and then still somehow package it in a way that in the current environment where people

just want to watch, you know, Instagram 30 second videos, they'll actually listen to it and connect with it but I've been a writer forever so that helps um you know I remember um like going for a drive with my stepdad when I was like eight years old and he's doing the dad thing and saying like hey what do you want to be when you grow up and I said an author like a nerd like I wanted to write a novel when I was a child um and I'm still working on that part um but I I've been a reader forever like i read like 70 books a year like i'm obsessed like i just if i don't have a book on me at all times i get like anxious like i'm always reading and i think good writers are avid readers like you got to read a lot to to write well yeah you have to feel what a sentence looks like yeah like absolutely and i mean i just i i have been writing

since i was a kid i wrote like scary stories and gave them to my friends. I've been writing journals or whatever, writing stories forever. My professional background is communications because I was always a reader. I've always been a talker. It just kind of makes sense. part of life is what really interests me is like learning from people and connecting with people and talking to people and communicating information that will be helpful to others. Like that's the kind of thing that I'm, I'm into. So it took me a while to get there professionally where I'm doing communications, but in maybe a world or an industry that I don't give a shit about. So I'm doing something I'm good at, but I don't care about the stuff I'm talking about. I've just like really recently in the last couple of years started to be able to funnel the things I'm good at into an industry that I'm interested in. And that's like the sweet spot. That's what's so exciting, but it's, it's still hard. I mean, I write because I love it. Um, but I struggle with the same challenges you do. Yeah. What's the, uh, what's kind of the process to you? Like what actually inspires you to want to go out and learn

from these people or who are you looking for when you're in some sort of development of a story how i guess how far out are you payload magazine's a monthly magazine right it's uh bi-monthly so it's like there's six six a year so you've got two weeks so your lead time's two weeks on an article no no i've got like we we work way far out so like i'm writing stories for like the like fall issue now so we've got lots of time um but i you know it's like you're always just trying to find like the unique story because here's the thing a lot of people have similar stories in the fitness world they're like i started because i was sick or i started because i was overweight or i had this kind of this health issue and i wanted to fix it and it's like these stories are great but they're if everybody's got

that story so you do have to try to find kind of interesting angles. And like, I struggle with this myself as selling myself is I don't really have a particularly interesting story. Like I think, I think I'm a person that has, you know, stuff of value to give to other people, but I don't have a crazy story. Like I lost 400 pounds or I, you know, whatever I, you know, I'm just here because I'm interested in it and selfishly because I love to experiment and get stronger and be better and look good and all of those things and so how do I channel that the stuff that I'd like to do and I'd be doing anyway into something I'm getting paid to do I mean that's that's it do you have enough flexibility with who you interview on your show to interview someone like like we both mutually actually all three of us really

like Jordan Peterson like would he be someone that you were allowed to have on your show? Or do you have restrictions on the category of person that you're bringing on? That's a good question. He would be a very good example of that question. I don't know. I mean, I think it's a little bit of a, sorry, Cain, but like a ask forgiveness rather than permission kind of thing. But I think I do have a...

It's a great way to live. Yeah. Why not? I do think I have quite a bit of flexibility because I think once they saw that I was doing a good job and my intentions were good and that I'm not trying to like, you know, get one over on somebody. I'm just trying to like broaden, broaden the topics and broaden the people that I have on the show and hopefully bring in some new people. And I just want people to learn about how to be healthier and enjoy their life better and so if that has to do with paleo great if it doesn't fine I mean I'm not having anybody that's like touting veganism on the podcast probably because that's I'm not really particularly interested in

that story but I'd love to have Jordan Peterson on that's like me too yeah yeah we'll work on that together for for a little bit For the writing side of things, writing in a magazine is different than writing for online. Do you do the online side as well? We do a little bit of online stuff, and I do some personal writing, which is obviously even more fun because then I can really just say whatever the hell. I did a lot of blogging for my bodybuilding process, so talking about what that was like.

And people really resonated with that because another thing, I don't want to keep going back to the bodybuilding because that's not like the biggest deal. But a lot of people in that industry, again, because it's like this aesthetic kind of beauty contest, you see stuff online and everyone's like very positive

and like, oh, you look so great and everything's so great. But the real world of bodybuilding is like very different and weird and creepy. So was talking about the like you know people who are like eating honey straight from the jar and the in the you know behind stage and you're like literally gluing bikinis like up your ass so it doesn't move when you're out on stage and like this stuff and how you have to like pee in a cup because when you're like tanned if you pee and it like splashes on your legs you have have tan splashes on your legs.

Super sexy stuff, right? So anyways. The real behind the scenes. Instagram pics look awesome. Right, right. But you look so good. Come on. You look better than ever. I'm weirder than ever, too.

Yeah, super weird. But anyway, so yeah. You've got to play the game, though. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I do some personal blogging and stuff, too. And I'd like to do that a little bit more. I just kind of launched my own website,

and I'd like to put more stuff on the blog that's interesting that doesn't have anything to do with paleo. It's really interesting because I feel like blogging for a very long time was a really good way to get your message out. And then all of a sudden, long-form content became almost just a waste of time and energy. And yes, SEO content is never going to go away. Long-form content is always an important thing. But as a writer, when all the social media outlets were allowing you to put your external links on there

and people could actually go to the website, but now that they just bury you leaving Facebook, it's virtually impossible to be found unless you strike gold The only way to really strike gold is to put out something very very consistently That's very very good and still just hope for the best still hope for the best and I Really went through like a real struggling period in this like writing process because it was something that I was like man, I'm putting so much of me into this and so much into the education of it, and it's just getting buried. And now all of a sudden we have this podcast, or I'm lucky enough to be a part of this,

that it's easier to reach people and educate people. But luckily in the daily emails and stuff, but that long-form content is really important. But now you're in a magazine. How do you, what, I guess, do you enjoy the magazine better?

Do you enjoy the online content and kind of what are the differences just from a pure writing perspective? Yeah, there is so much pressure. Like when you're, you're talking, I'm like, I feel all of this pain because there is so much pressure when you want to write these like long form,

like in depth, um, you know, interviews with people or like stories and really you should be doing like five things that make you sexy now like brutal because that's what people i know it's there's nothing worse than seeing like five ways to make this cooler and a billion people like it yeah yeah i know like i just wrote 5 000 words on clean and jerks why didn't you read like you don't ever that's the only thing you have to read about clean and jerks. Why didn't you read, like, you don't ever, that's the only thing you have to read about clean and jerks, and it gets buried. I mean, as corny as this sounds,

I feel like one of the ways I've combated that frustration is reframing how I feel about the whole process because you can't feel like that work that you did is a waste because it is valuable, and even if it's not as popular as, as like the picture of a girl's butt and like ways to make your booty big, that's always going to be more popular. Like you're still reaching people and you're reaching the people that care. You will. And so that's one of the things that I've had to do is,

is just be like a guy, maybe if I never have 500,000 followers on Instagram, but like, I do have people reach out to me that say that they're listening to the podcast and it's helping them and they read this thing and they really enjoyed it. And like I just kind of have to be less concerned with like likes and how popular I am and are the people who are reaching out to me enjoying it. And that's. And I think the writing process really helps you develop a voice. You have to sit there and actually think about what you're talking about. And it's really helped me as kind of an educator understand that my role or understand my role as a teacher or as an educator.

How am I reaching people? What is the messaging going into that? Have you found any like overriding topics or a message that you keep coming back to? My biggest message is, and we've talked about it a little bit, is the idea of empowering yourself, learning, and taking matters into your own hands and enjoying the process of that. Because there is no answer. Keto isn't right for everybody. Fasting isn't right for everybody. Fine paleo isn't right for everybody.

We don't all need to be snatching. We don't all need to do CrossFit. All of these things. But you need to. There's so much information it gets overwhelming. So get that too but you need to just do the work you need to go out and like find the podcasts that resonate with you and read the magazines that are that you're into and talk to connect in real time with people who are smart and know things and learn from them and and figure out what works for you don't just go on instagram and see like

this hot person and do what they do like you just can't take anything at face value these days. That's it. I feel like the more of a beginner you are at something, the more you focus on the specific methods. Like you just said, like, you know, paleo is one method. It's one way of eating. You know, snatching is one exercise of many you could choose. Cross is one type of training that you could do out of the many types of training you could do.

From like a first principles perspective, though, you need to eat as healthy as you can. You need to move every day. You need to build strength. You need to be injury-free. And there's many different ways to do those things. Like finding the one that works for you is really the – that's the long game because you may never feel like you found it, but along the way you should be trying many different things

and hopefully you settle on something that makes you feel good. Yeah. And the upside to like the total information overload issue that we have these days, where there's so much out there that it can be overwhelming, is that if you can just kind of take a step back and look at it like this is part of your journey and it's a positive thing and you can take some stuff and leave some stuff, but you have more options than ever to find the lifestyle and the way of eating and working out and being that works best for you. It doesn't have to just be a or b there's a you know a billion

ways to crush it that's how i look at it dig it dig it where can people find you uh you can find me i'm really uh active on instagram probably too active at the muscle maven and i just launched a website which is my name it's ashleyvanhouten.com. But that's kind of hard to spell. So find me on Instagram at The Muscle Maven. And the web address is there. And you can reach out to me there. Beautiful.

Douglas Larson, where can people hang out with you? There you go. You can find me on Instagram, Douglas E. Larson. Nice. Hey, this was super fun. Yeah, thank you so much. Do you want to know something really cool about this job? Is that I would never meet you, one, because you're in Toronto.

Ish. Ish, Ottawa. Wherever. In the middle of Canada. That weird wasteland north of the United States. Ottawa, Toronto. No, you're, I think, in the writing and in the podcasting and, and just, we become really good at communicating and the message that you put out is really,

really important. And I think people should really take away just the idea that there is no right way. And, um, I love meeting people that are on the journey versus saying, go do this and coming from bodybuilding, checking out out crossfit doing this power lifting thing like understanding all these modalities and the way that people express movement or express just being healthy and it doesn't have to be paleo it doesn't have to be keto you don't have to attach yourself to some brand or some thing right but just be on the journey and always be learning and whether it comes out in the writing whether it's podcasting or just the way you live your life it's always important to just be on the journey and express yourself

and be comfortable with who you are so that you can hopefully influence other people to live a better life. And I really appreciate you coming and hanging out with us. Thank you so much. You said it best. That's it. We can end right there. Perfect.

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