Barbell Shrugged - Barbell Shrugged  — Why You Need Fish Oil w/ Evan Demarco  — 318

Episode Date: June 6, 2018

Evan DeMarco is a sports medicine and nutrition expert, published author, public speaker and frequent guest on television, radio, and digital platforms. He is a successful entrepreneur whose interest in diet, health and supplements began as an athlete and consumer determined to improve an industry that was going through massive transformation. Evan is currently Director Market Development at The KD Pharma Group,  his main focus is working to fix the omega 6 to omega 3 ratio, which is big a problem in the Western American Diet. In this episode, Evan covers the importance of having high quality omegas and the correlations between price and quality. He also goes into detail about the process of creating fish oil from the oceans of Peru and Chile, to the bottle and how variance in processing relates to the quality of the end product, and much more. Enjoy! - Doug and Anders Show notes at: http://www.shruggedcollective.com/bbs_demarco ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ OMAX   Discover Omax3, the 93.9% pure omega-3 supplement developed by Yale-affiliated scientists. Patented formula with 4X EPA to target inflammation, joint pain, & muscle recovery. No fishy burps!   Fish oil contains omega-3s, but how much you are getting in each supplement can vary dramatically. To determine the actual omega-3 content in your fish oil supplement, read the label and look for the total omega-3 content in each softgel. The top selling fish oil supplements contain only 30% of omega-3 content in each softgel.* Omax3 Ultra-Pure is exceptionally concentrated at 93.9%. That means you get therapeutic results that you can feel.   The Omax3 difference is felt by eliminating joint and muscle pain, heart and brain health, and memory and cognition.   Want look, feel, and perform your best? Try Omax 3 today.   To get your free bottle of Omax3 Fish Oils, go to tryomax.com/shrugged   ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please support our partners! Thrive Market is a proud supporter of us here at Barbell Shrugged.  We very much appreciate all they do with us and we’d love for you to support them in return!  Thrive Market has a special offer for you. You get $60 of FREE Organic Groceries + Free Shipping and a 30 day trial, click the link below: https://thrivemarket.com/shrugged How it works:  Users will get $20 off their first 3 orders of $49 or more + free shipping.  No code is necessary because the discount will be applied at checkout. Many of you will be going to the store this week anyway, so why not give Thrive Market a try! Organifi is another great company with whom we’ve chosen to partner.  They offer a premium line of health supplements you can use to optimize your body.  Doug and Mike use their products everyday and highly recommend you give them a try. If you’d like a discount you can use the code “shrugged” to instantly get 20% off your order, click below to check out their supplements: https://organifishop.com Code: BBS20 for 20% off Strong Coffee! ► Subscribe to Barbell Shrugged's Channel Here ► Subscribe to Shrugged Collective's Channel Here http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedSubscribe 📲 🎧 Listen to the audio version on the Apple Podcast App or Stitcher for Android Here- http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedApple http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedStitcher Shrugged Collective is a network of fitness, health and performance shows that help people achieve their physical and mental health goals.  Usually in the gym, but outside as well. In 2012 they posted their first Barbell Shrugged podcast and have been putting out weekly free videos and podcasts ever since. Along the way we've created successful online coaching programs including The Shrugged Strength Challenge, The Muscle Gain Challenge, FLIGHT, Barbell Shredded, and Barbell Bikini. We're also dedicated to helping affiliate gym owners grow their businesses and better serve their members by providing owners tools and resources like the Barbell Business Podcast. Find Shrugged Collective and their flagship show Barbell Shrugged here: SUBSCRIBE ON ITUNES ► http://bit.ly/ShruggedCollectiveiTunes WEBSITE ► https://www.ShruggedCollective.com INSTAGRAM ► https://instagram.com/shruggedcollective FACEBOOK ► https://facebook.com/barbellshruggedp... TWITTER ► http://twitter.com/barbellshrugged  

ratio of DHA to EPA is, you know, is it four to one? Is it one to four? Is it, you know, and like, my thing is one to one, right? You know, as close as possible, just get as close as possible, you know, one to one of DHA to EPA, and I think you're going to have everything you need, you're going to have your pro inflammatory, or you're going to have your inflammation resolution with EPA, you're going to have your brain and eye health. We talk a lot about eye health in kind of the modern health and wellness category, especially with all the screen time, right? It's all this blue light. So if we're kind of eliminating DHA in our diet until we get older, that's a lot of preventative maintenance that

we're losing out on when it comes to our eye health. And, you know, to me, it's like I spend way too much time on my phone anyway. You know, I need to be kind of combating that and dha is a great way to do it Shrugged family, this is Anders Varner. Before we get into the episode today, I want to spend a little time saying thank you to everybody that came out and introduced themselves to us at the CrossFit Regionals. Especially everybody out at the West Regionals in Del Mar and San Diego. Had a blast. It's so great meeting everybody. I just became the host of this show. And the fact that there's so much love out in the world and the fact that I get to meet you guys and just be a part of the show means a ton.

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Let's do it. Feel good. Welcome to Barbell Shrugged. I'm Anders Varner. That's Doug Larson. Yeah. We're at Strata Fitness, Solana Beach. The fittest people in the West Coast are like two miles away from us right now.

We've been hanging out all day. We have a little sun-kissed bronze. We were hanging out in the SoCal Sun in May. It's still May, right? It's May. It is May. Twice regionals. We have a huge day today because we're taking a deep dive on fish oils.

And look, everybody knows we should be taking fish oils right but no one really knows why no one really knows like all the things that go into it that's not true he knows evan demarco actually knows all these things so he's hanging out he's head of product development marketing with omacs and um we're super stoked to have you here thanks guys really excited to dig into this not just just, I feel like every time I hear a conversation about fish oils, everybody just jumps right into DHA or EPA. But getting into the health benefits of it. And I always want to know the process of where does it come from?

How do we get the concentration? What fish am I really getting into? How are we farming these fish or fishing for these fish? Just what is the process to get it into the bottle? Because I have a decent understanding of the health benefits, but the process of it, I have no clue about. I definitely want to touch on the health benefits because I think there's still plenty of people out there that have heard of fish oil,

but they just don't really know why they're supposed to be taking it. But more on the practical side, like, you know, how much should I take? When should I be taking it? Can I take too much? Like, how do I know if it's like gone rancid or not like are pills better than liquids like on and on and on like what are all the details as far as what the research says about how when and where and who need to actually take fish on a daily basis yeah so how'd you get into this that's a great question uh you know the long and short of it was i was actually making prenatal vitamins um you know and kind of prenatals have always had this DHA element to it.

But I was really looking at prenatal vitamins kind of very dispassionately and just creating products. And then all of a sudden I found out I was going to be a father. It's like, oh, okay, let's really look at prenatal vitamins. I've got four weeks, so just keep going. I'm learning as we walk through this right now. I was actually telling his wife this morning, we were talking about oil and and she was saying saying how much she takes and we're talking about dosages and whatnot so i'd love to get your take on that specifically for for women that are pregnant and or have young kids maybe they're still breastfeeding like because i had

three kids in three years and my kids are still very young so i'd love to get your take on that as well absolutely um so yeah so then all of a sudden i found out i'm gonna be a dad and it's like wow okay prenatal suck um so then all of a sudden, I found out I'm going to be a dad. And it's like, wow, okay, prenatal suck. So then all of a sudden, I'm like, wait a second, I've got to make up for some serious genetic deficiencies, you know, on my part in this kind of baby making equation. So kind of went back to the drawing board and started really looking at all of the research out there. And DHA was only one part of the equation. And what we see is like DHA can really be improved if we add the right things to it. So the first thing that I added to that was alpha GPC. And I think anyone in the kind

of the sports world knows, you know, there's a lot of benefits for alpha GPC. But when we start looking at it from a baby making, baby making it well, the baby making perspective, there's an incredible brain boost that comes prenatal, postpartum, breastfeeding, you know, lactation support. So that really became the catalyst of my venture down into DHA. And then I started working with the KD Pharma Group, which is the largest global manufacturer of prescription grade omega products. So I got a deep dive on everything from, you know, where the fish are caught, how they're manufactured, how, you know, what are the appropriate ways to actually get that great fish oil into a bottle and then learn the whole process. So in doing that, I've just spent the last couple of years really spending a lot of time

focused on fish. You know, how do we really incorporate fish oil into our diets? How do we make up for the omega-6 to the omega-3 ratio that seems to be a major problem in the modern Western diet? So yeah, that's kind of the, that's the,000-foot view of how I got into this. Well, you already touched on it, but where did the fish come from? In the bottle, what is the process from? I mean, I feel like it's almost like we talk about fish oil,

but nobody realizes that a fish had to have been caught. Exactly. To get it into the bottle, we had to find a fish first. I take 10 fish oil pills a day. the bottle we had to find a fish first like i take uh 10 fish oil pills a day it's like that's a fish yeah where did the fish come from where did the fish come from and that's a great question so fish are sourced all over the world but the predominant and most environmentally friendly source of fish come from like the waters off of chile and peru okay so those are anchovies and sardines and those you know really have the

highest concentration of those omegas that we're looking for. But when we talk about concentration, it's still not that great, right? So they go out and they catch all these fish, and they take them to a fish factory, and they literally just press them. So now you've got fish oil and you've got fish meal, and that fish meal is sent off for things like fertilizer, pet food, things like that. That fish oil is what we call 1812 or crude oil. And what that 1812 is representative of is the concentration of EPA and DHA, 18% EPA, 12% DHA, for a total of about 30%. So the rest of that 70% is all your sat fats, your cholesterol, your pro-inflammatory omega-6.

So if you go to Costco and you buy your 12-year supply of fish oil for $4, chances are that's what you're getting. You know, it's going to be mildly refined. It's going to take out some of the environmental toxins. But by and large, it's going to be kind of that just basic crude oil. So the further up the value chain you go, the more expensive fish oil you buy, the more you're going to see that that concentration level has been improved. You know, we go in and we take out all of that bad stuff,

that 70%, you know, saturated fat, pro-inflammatory omega-6, and you get a better oil that way. So, you know, a lot of what we talk about, and we can get into this a little bit more, is what are you buying when you buy fish oil? What quality are you getting? Because, you know, if you really want a fish oil, but you've got kind of this modern Western diet

and you go get that cheap stuff, it's almost kind of, you know, counterproductive. You're almost adding to the problem really what is the the process from so we're in this factory i assume everything gets squished together we've got our crude fish oil coming up where how is that process like from down there to here into the bottling how where where's where's the the the shipping process i i honestly have no idea how we get it into the bottle so katie pharma group is located in bexbach germany which is uh the most landlocked area i think in europe um so you get all this fish oil that goes from you know south america across the ocean to bexbach germany and there they employ five

different types of distillation processes. So you take this oil and you can run it through urea precipitation, you know, silver extraction, supercritical chromatography, superfluid chromatography, and all of these, you know, different extraction methods are used to basically extract out the constituent parts of your omega. So your EPA, your DHA, your DPA. And then what you're left with are just kind of these fractions of this main oil. So then you've got barrels of all of this oil, and then you can kind of blend it back together for its constituent parts for whatever you want it to be.

If you want like a prenatal, high DHA, maybe a little EPA. If you're looking for pro-inflammatory, you get more EPA. Jorn Dyerberg, Dr. Jorn Dyerberg, Dr. Jorn Dyerberg, who's kind of considered the father of omegas, was the guy that went off and lived with the Inuit tribes for a while and kind of discovered that their cardiovascular rates were so low because they were eating

all of this seal. And seal's actually high in DPA. Problem is, most people don't want to go out and club a baby seal to get their DPA. Sounds like a hassle. It is a problem. And in Southern California, people don't want to go out and club a baby seal to get their DPA. Sounds like a hassle. It is a problem. It is a problem. And in Southern California, we don't have that.

You don't want to go to La Jolla Cove and just start bashing seals out there. They'll have a problem with it. Yeah, they're like, boy, I need the DPA. It's for my health. I'm here for the fish oil. So interestingly enough, now we're actually able to extract DPA from fish and kind of concentrate that up so we're looking at this whole spectrum of omegas now so now you've got this fish oil and whatever blend you know a company wants and whether that's a metagenics you know a vitamin shop whatever it is you know whatever brand you you you've got they're going

to have a unique blend of uh of oils um so then that either can go in a soft gel it can go in a liquid it can go you know there's a bunch of different delivery systems if you are part of uh kind of not not specifically you but companies that are doing this um is there maybe the opportunity or a problem in this market in in that process of like cutting the fish oil in half and putting fillers in there. Or I feel like I'm, I'm, the more I dig into some of the food industry stuff, whether it's like honey, um, I don't know, just, you hear about these processes where they're cutting it. It's almost like, it's like a drug trade almost. It's like they're cutting it, adding corn syrup or something

like that to extend the life of whatever supply they have. Is that a problem in this industry? Not necessarily so much in fish oil. A lot of the manufacturers of fish oil are coming from Europe or the U.S., so they're all exacting standards. They're using GOED, which is kind of the international body that oversees all of that. So a lot of your specs, a lot of the testing that's done on that, really becomes indicative of what you're going to get in that finished product. There is some stuff from China, you know, and unfortunately, that's the issue is that will be like that it'll say it's, you know, an 80% concentrate, and then you

find out it's 40. And you know, you look at it, and there's corn oil, you know, something in there, you know, luckily, in the fish oil industry, it is pretty regulated. So you don't see it as much as you wouldn't kind of the supplement industry, but it still exists um and that's why i always say is like good with a go with a good reputable brand you're going to be solid is there really much of a difference getting it in a liquid form versus a versus a gel cap type form i always look at you know how often are you taking it and you know kind of what's its exposure a lot of people will uh you know once you open a liquid bottle it's going to start to oxidize so if you're kind of letting that sit around for 30 days, it's going to kind of go rancid. You know, that is the issue with it. Whereas if you go with like soft gels, you know,

you're going to have just better long-term stability on that. Now, that being said, I think if you're taking your fish oil daily and you've got a 30-day supply, the reality of it going rancid in 30 days is pretty low. But yeah, if you're one of those people, it's like, oh, I might take it once a week. After three to four months, you're going to open that thing up and be like, whoa. Yeah. Actually, just this morning or maybe yesterday, I was saying to Andrew's wife, because she's pregnant right now, so she just wanted to take some amount of DHA. And she had a bottle on the counter and she was asking if she should put it in the fridge or leave it on the counter and I was saying well they're highly unsaturated heat light moisture that's why the bottle's like you know basically black it's trying to like block out

light the colder you keep it the less likely it is to go bad just because it's at a colder temperature but by the time it gets to your house like I have no idea how long that's been like sitting in a warehouse that's 100 degrees or what have you, how do you know if it's not rancid, like before it gets to you? Like, is it a long process of going from like fish to, to, you know, your house, like buying it through a retailer? Yeah, it can be. It's not like, you know, it's not like that fish gets pressed and then it's air freighted to Germany. Right to your house. Yeah. Drop shipping from Chile. Exactly. There's a guy that's putting it in a bottle and just shipping from Chile. Exactly. There's a guy that's putting it in a bottle and just shipping it right off to you.

No, and that unfortunately with kind of the mart of commerce right now being Amazon or e-com, you don't know. I mean, if you're living in Phoenix in August and all of a sudden you're ordering fish oil online, how long has that fish oil been sitting on a UPS truck? I was just in Phoenix, and if you have fish oil sitting just on your front doorstep for 10 minutes, it's probably bad. Yeah. It's a million degrees there, and it's only May. Yeah.

There's no way it makes it an afternoon. Yeah, exactly. It's terrible. I mean, you literally open the bottle, and you're like, whoa. Bad. Yeah. In a lot of ways, my recommendation, too to on stuff like that is you don't know. Right. So error on the side of caution. If you live in Phoenix in May, June, July, August, go to a retailer and buy it.

You know, chances are they're going to have a better supply chain to get it to that shop or just go in January to the store and stock up. But, yeah, it's there's a process there that if it's not done properly, one of the things that we do is we always flush it with argon gas. So we're protecting it. There's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of protectants that typically go in fish oil and that could be vitamin E, that could be, you know, some kind of mixed to cough or all to keep it fresh, but you can't beat mother nature or go head to head with mother nature. You're flushing it with argon gas. So there's no oxygen. Correct. And then one, there are some companies, like the Chinese companies or some of the cheaper companies that will use nitrogen,

but you get this barrel of fish oil, and the second you take the top off, the nitrogen goes poof, whereas argon's heavier, so it just kind of keeps this nice blanket over the top of it to keep it fresh. So those are all things that you can look at, but it's always going to come down to price, right? When you look at fish oil, the more expensive chances are are going to be the ones that use those supply chain improvements to make sure you get a better product. Right. I mean, speaking of heat, like I know with other types of industrial seed oils and whatnot for corn oil or soybean oil or vegetable oil or what have you,

like as a part of the process of distilling those into like a light yellow clear liquid that looks good on the shelf. You know, they have to bleach and deodorize and put solvents in it and all these different things. And as a part of those processes, oftentimes they're subjected to relatively high temperatures, you know, four or five, 600 degrees. Like with fish oil being very highly unsaturated, they wouldn't tolerate high heats very well. So when they're distilling the oil, like, is it just like a cold press yeah it's typically the best ways to do that are that super critical that's super fluid so you're just using co2 it's it's a cold process to extract it um so you're not doing exactly that it's subjecting it to those high heats which are going to break it down and you know obviously you know create a lot of those issues that you just spoke about you mentioned

earlier how they they separate into three pieces like epa's on one dha's on the other and you can play with some of the amounts for like prenatal what what are some of the other one what are the processes that they're doing to separate that you had some really cool words that i was like i have to come back and ask them that but why why is the pre prenatal one more dha versus epa um And what are the other reasons in which you would fluctuate with those amounts? Again, it really just depends. So there's 22,000 clinical studies on the benefits of omegas. And the problem is that you've got DPA, you've got DHA, you've got EPA, you've got all of these different parts, constituent parts of omegas.

So that clinical research is varying in what the outcomes are based off of the specific product. So what we do know is DHA is great for prenatal because of brain and eye health. So a lot of your brain omegas, a lot of your eye omegas, all of that development is based off of DHA. As we get older, you know, and pain, inflammation, inflammation resolution becomes more of an issue. That's where we see EPA having a more of a profound impact. So a lot of it is just, well, what are we really looking at? What are you as a consumer wanting to do with your specific omegas and then look at the type of products that are available in the market to address those needs? Is there really a need to supplement with the plant version of omega-3s like alpha

linoleic acid and all the intermediates that are on the way to EPA and DHA? Absolutely. And we look at the biology of that. And most people on the best side are converting ALA at about 10%. So you get a lot of these vegans like, oh no, I get my omegas from chia and flax. Well, the problem is that if you're only converting at best 10% of those, you're probably going to end up being deficient based off of the WHO, the FDA, all of these universal standards for what our daily omega intake is. So unfortunately, as much as I love my vegan friends, I have to tell them it's like. Those damn hippies. Yeah, it ain't getting it done, guys.

It's like, I'm sorry. And luckily there's some algae sources that are coming out that we're able to concentrate up. But if you're just getting your DHA or omegas from flax or chia, it ain't happening. I feel like there's been a big push lately. I mean, since the paleo thing kind of showed up, it wasn't just in the CrossFit community, but when the paleo thing happened and there was like paleo solution comes out, all of a sudden there was a ton of attention on this. There was just a massive rise in understanding the benefits of omega-3s.

And where is that kind of that conversation gone in the last five, six years? And I guess keeping up with the demand has got to be a challenging thing. It is. And let's talk a little bit about the diet piece of that because that's a great question. And to do that, I think let's go back in time 200 years where if we look at the omega-6 to omega-3 ratio, the average ratio at that time was about 1 to 1. And we know that that kind of keeps inflammation resolution in check. So when we fast forward 100 years, you know, early 1900s, and it kind of spikes to 4 to 1, you know, people are starting to enjoy more red meats, we're starting to see more dairy come into the into the diet. And so that omega six, omega three ratio kind of starts to get a little out of whack. Right now, we guess it at around 25 to one. That's just hyper pro inflammatory, right? And so, you know,

basically, so the emergence of some of these paleo diets are great, but oftentimes they're misunderstood. And I always tell this story of my best friend of like 30 years who, this is about 12 years ago, he decides he wants to get married. And at the time, he's a little out of shape, you know, college athlete, but kind of let himself go. You know, started enjoying too many Coors Lights every day after work. So pops the question, says, hey, I need to get in shape for the wedding. I'm like, all right, I'll come by tomorrow morning. we'll go to the gym get you know get a plan in place walk in his house he's sitting on the floor in front of his coffee table with espn on eating a plate of bacon and cheese and i'm looking i'm like we're supposed to be at the

gym in five minutes he's like dude it's the on the atkins diet i'm like oh god you know but this is the problem right it's we've we get all diet. I'm like, Oh God, you know, but this is the problem, right? It's we've, we get all of these diet fads and they're, you know, fundamentally misunderstood. So, you know, paleo, you know, just some of these, uh, these keto kind of diets is like, if, if we don't follow them properly, or if our bodies just aren't set up to fall, you know, to, to really process those kinds of diets, then we start to see that omega-6 omega-3 ratio go completely out of whack. Just as context, can you walk through the those kind of diets, then we start to see that omega-6, omega-3 ratio go completely out of whack. Just as context, can you walk through the differences kind of between omega-3, omega-6

and the actual ratio that we see in nature versus what happens when you see a ton of corn-fed cow meat that what you're usually buying in the store is so far from what is supposed to be part of nature? And what are the problems that can come along with that imbalance? Well, and you know, that's, that's a great question. So not only do you have all of the processed meat, you know, the corn fed, all of the stuff that's really going to contribute to that, you know, pro inflammatory omega six and omega sixes are great, right? You know, all of these omegas, the sixes, the nines, all of those, they all have their unique component within our, when our body, but when we start eating too much corn, when we start eating too much beef,

when we start eating too much dairy, that's when we start to see those. And part of, you know, part of it is just that, you know, as human beings, we've always lived close to the water. We're, we're, by and large, I think, kind of predetermined to eat fish to eat, you know, kind of this more Mediterranean diet, you know, and then, you know, everyone comes here to the United States, and we've got all these landlocked states, and everyone's eating cow and dairy. And so we start to see these patterns that evolve, and a lot of it's the breads, it's the processed grains and all of that. So I think just really looking at what it means to take a step back from our diet. If you're going to eat beef, don't do it every single day.

I know everyone's into their keto diets and whatnot or paleo, it's like you know cow every single day probably not a good idea variety in general yeah and if you're going to do it the grass fed is great well with the grass fed yeah and i think it was mike that was talking to us and he went he and just tried for a couple months to not eat chicken beef and pork and you don't realize that that's what you've been eating every single day three times a day for your entire life and you go and try and find something that isn't one of those three it's an incredibly challenging like you're in the weird part of the grocery store yeah getting like a frozen block of like venison yeah like what am i gonna eat like it's literally chicken beef or pork and those are your options but if you were out in nature, you'd have a lot of things that you could go hunt, kill, fish.

So getting back to, I guess, the differences in the omega-3, what is the natural balance in nature? One-to-one. One-to-one. Yeah, and that's kind of optimal. Even four-to-one is still going to be fairly healthy. But once we get above that, I think it's... The 25-to- 1 is the bad spot.

That's the bad spot. Yeah, that's the way bad spot. That's like, you know, you talk about chicken, beef, or pork. That's like every day I'm going to Chipotle and choosing either one of those. So when we have a good fish oil pill, we're probably getting somewhere in the 2 to 1, 3 to 1, right? Most of the time, actually, what you're doing is you're going to be kind of pushing the pendulum back the other side. So if you get a really good fish oil pill, you're not going to have any of that omega-6 in there. So a lot of what we look to do with that omega-6 or that high-concentrate omega is to offset the imbalances that most Americans are suffering with.

So if you're getting rid of all of that pro-inflammatory omega-6 and you've got a really solid omega-3, you're going to be kind of offsetting a lot of that uh bad diet decisions but if we get into the the kind of the poor quality omega or fish oil pills you're actually like you were saying earlier you start to counterbalance what you're trying to do yeah because they're so poor or so bad at having that natural balance in there yeah you just end up exacerbating the whole situation so as much as i love Costco, you know, don't get that. It's Costco. Think about how, this is the freakiest thing about Costco. Think about how many eggs

are in a Costco right now. Colton, behind the camera over here, is eating like 16 eggs a day. You can tell looking at him. Look at the traps on his head. That's why he's shredded. Yeah,

his head's like, barely has a t-shirt on ever. And all he does is record barbell struck and go surfing. Dude, he's living the life. Are you hiring? Yeah, seriously.

We're all trying to work for him. Wrong sex. But when you get into Costco, in order for them to be able to produce things of that magnitude, it can't be the highest quality. Where are you going to find that many awesome chickens? Where are the fish oil pills going to come from that are at that high quality? It's just not possible if you're buying stuff from those stores.

You're distributing to the masses. Yeah, it's impossible. I used to buy fish oil from Costco all the time, like back in college. And one thing that I noticed is like kind of the regular pills, to your point, you know, they're about 30%. So one gram pill, that's 300 milligrams of EPA and DHA is about 50% more EPA than DHA, the ratio you talked about earlier, the 18-12. And then if you got like the double strength, then in some cases it would go up proportionally.

But then if you got like the triple strength, then it was like almost all added EPA and no additional DHA. Is that just a cost thing? Most of the time, yeah, it's a cost thing. And a lot of the times, you know, because there's more natural EPA in the fish, you know, that's where it is, is it just costs more to extract DHA and, you know, make that into a pill. So if you follow the math of that, if it's an abundance, then. But then interestingly enough, you know, Lavazza, Vaseppa,

some of these pharmaceutical-strength omega products, so if you go to the doctor and they're like, hey, you have high cholesterol, they might put you on a fish oil. And that's a prescription-grade product. Your insurance is going to cover it. And that's all EPA. I mean, it's just straight 90% EPA. That's because they're looking for the anti-inflammatory properties?

Yeah, and the cardiovascular benefits. And so when we look at the research and the literature on that, that's where we really start to see some of the cardiovascular benefits. Now, here's something interesting, too, if we really want to talk to your viewers. We do. When you look at that label, so you're going to get further up the higher concentrate you go, the to your viewers. We do. When you look at that, when you look at that label, so you're going to get further up the, you know, the higher concentrate you go, the more money it's going to be. But then you also have ethyl ester versus triglyceride form. So, you know,

your fish oil, when it comes out of that fish is triglyceride, but to concentrate it up, you have to enzymatically change it to this ethyl ester, concentrate it up. And then most of the companies, because of the cost, we'll just leave it at that. So there's, there'ser concentrated up. And then most of the companies, because of the cost, will just leave it at that. So there's an interesting thing, and if you kind of Google it, you can see like fish oil in like a styrofoam cup, and that ethyl ester will actually start to eat the styrofoam cup. Now, the thing is the triglyceride form will do it as well. Terrifying.

It just won't do it as quickly. So we know that there's some interesting bioavailability pieces when it comes to triglyceride versus ethyl ester. So I always recommend, if you're looking at high quality, look at the back and make sure it says triglyceride, not ethyl ester. And that's just an additional process that we have to go through. It's like once we concentrate it up to 90%, then we have to convert it back to the triglyceride form. So the ethyl ester is a phospholipid? No. Is that not the same thing? No, it's not. But that's a really interesting So the ethyl ester is a phospholipid? No.

Is that not the same thing? No, it's not. But that's a really interesting question because we look at a lot of these phospholipid forms, right? And krill is a perfect example. It's this phospholipid omega. I started seeing a lot more of the krill showing up. Yeah.

And I'm not a fan. Uh-oh. Hold on. Why not? The shot's fired. Hold on. What is good about it? Why are we seeing it all over the place?

And then why are you not a fan? Well, the thing that's good about it is the phospholipid form so we know that from a bioavailability ethyl ester you know not so great triglyceride a little bit better phospholipid even better um now the problem with the phospholipid uh you know krill is that it's not concentrated right so you know if you're only getting 70 milligrams of an omega right and the who or the fda need to be 400, I don't care how bioavailable it is, you're still going to be deficient. So then all of a sudden you just start taking a lot more krill. Whereas if we look at some of these structured lipids, right, you know, binding an omega with a fossil title choline or an alpha GPC or fossil title serine, you get like these multimode of action products, which are really cool. It's like brain health, cardiovascular, everything that goes along with it. So nature has done well with the krill.

I also don't necessarily like the impact to our oceans that comes with sourcing some of that. Anchovy sardines, a lot more abundant. There's a lot more structure that goes into protecting those supply chains krill not so much so let's let science really kind of take the next evolutionary leap when it comes to our megas you know use a structured lipid with a fossil title choline or alpha gpc or something like that we're gonna take a little break here i've got we have to talk about uh whatever we're gonna go right to you after the break. We have to talk about whatever. We're going to go right to you after the break, but we have to talk about how much of this fish oil peel we're supposed to be taking

because if you are like me, when the paleo thing happened, I was like, you know what? I should probably start my regimen at 20 pills. You're going to have a disaster. More is better. You will be sitting at your desk at work, and things are going to go bad really quickly. We'll be back in a second. Hey, hope you guys are enjoying the show.

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And back to the show show i need a microphone big enough so they know i shit my pants welcome back to barbell shrug about to get weird let's hear it we're hanging out now's your chance tell the world yeah so it wasn't your fault yeah it was not my fault i blame rob wolf rob wolf if you're listening right, this is your fault. The paleo movement happened, and it also happened right at the same time of, like, my training was going really well, diet was getting dialed in, the paleo solution came out, and it was like, you have to be taking, I was learning about the natural balance of omega-3s and omega-6s, and I was like, you know what, I eat a lot of red meat these days,

like, trying to put on weight, trying to get stronger, faster than everyone else. I was literally eating three pounds of red meat a day. I would go to the Sprouts and I would buy the one-pound thing of grass-fed beef.

I was rather broke at the time. I would literally take the one pound and just turn it over onto the foreman, at the time, and I would literally take the one pound and just turn it over onto the foreman, close the lid, cook it, lay cheese on top, lay guacamole on top, and I was paleo. Like you couldn't be more off in like health and longevity, but I was getting yoked at the time. So it had to have been worth it.

I bet your colon loved it. Oh, well, here you go so my roommate and also the co-owner of the gym with me uh we we started like learning about fish oils and was like you know what anytime like i take any pill whatsoever it's like here's the recommended amount well you're not a meathead and you don't do what i do, so I need double for sure. Minimum. Minimum double. So I was like reading the recommended amount of fish oils, and I was like, yeah, right, I'll take 20. So I literally wake up, have like my eggs, have my normal breakfast,

20 fish oils go down, and I'm sitting at my desk at work. Luckily, I was working from home, but my roommate, co-owner of the gym, we still had two jobs, and I was working from home. He was at his office, and I went to go fart, and I swear I shit my pants. And it was like only fish oil.

There was no other things. It was just like undigested fish oils coming out of me, and I was like, god i'm 28 years old and i just shit my pants at work and i texted him i was like dude i just shit my pants and he goes you know what i just shit my pants too he was actually at the office and has to run home to get new clothes because he can't walk around and like you've got you just reek of fish oil. It's a disaster. Did you text him before you cleaned up? Did you shit your pants and then start texting immediately? Well, I was at home, so all I had to do was throw some stuff in the wash.

My disaster was a lot less than his. But how much fish oil are people supposed to be taking so they don't have to go through this disaster? That's sticking around forever. Learn from his mistake. Do not take 20 on day one or you will have a disaster. You will shit your pants and it will be a disaster. Yeah.

And those are two smells that don't go well. They stick around. Exactly. You can't get the oil out. No. It's not like regular shit like if you have a kid or something. I'm sure you can get it out. Not the oil. It's stuck in the cloth. permeates yeah it's you just gotta burn that stuff

we're here folks we're here for you having the people's conversation um how this is real word advice people no science here just real life practical experiences um but what is sort of the the recommended amount of like where people should start slowly slowly yeah so you know that a great question right one i get all the time so when we really look at let's start with let's kind of back into this right so the upper recommended you know kind of like level that people say you should be at is like three grams that's a lot and a lot of people if you go out and you take three grams and i don't know what kind of fish oil you're taking, you're going to have that you're gonna have some serious GI distress. So now the WHO, you know, the FDA, they kind of have their limits on, you know,

where our minimum recommended daily should be right around 450, you know, 450 500 milligrams. That's kind of low. But I always say, you know, start there, start and kind of work your way up, right? Because you never know how that stuff's going to impact your system. And especially if you take it on an empty stomach, you've had some weird food, you know, whatnot, let your body kind of acclimate to that. So, you know, high concentrate triglyceride form 450 milligrams, depending on, you know, if you're going EPA, DHA, whatnot, and then, you know, work your way up, I think 2000 is probably great, you know, if you're training a lot. You're really looking for some muscle protein synthesis.

Riley trying to improve your BCAA supplementation. Three grams is not out of whack. I've been heavy training where I've done three grams, and it's been great. Again, I haven't crapped myself, but I've come close where you're puckering as you're running to the bathroom. It's frightening. It is. You don't know that's coming, and all of a sudden yeah a lot of us have been there i can't be the only one if you're out there and listening to this on your way to work please just write me something and tell me i'm not the only one that this has happened to i can't be there so outside of supplementation like if you eat an eight ounce steak of salmon like at a

restaurant like how much are you getting roughly would you get around three grams no no no not even close um you know typically and again it just depends on is that farm raised is it you know wild is it where is it caught you know type of thing so there's all of these different variances that come into you know kind of the natural of what you're getting but you know i think a fillet of salmon is an eight ounce fillet i want to say 1500 um i don't think it's at that upper limit uh okay so about half about what you would need yeah but that's you know that's the total omegas of it right so you know that's that's 1500 milligrams of total of omegas and you know so now when you back out all of your other things

in there your saturated fats you know everything it's like how much omega-3 omega you know or omega-3s are you really getting um and again that's a variable but you could be down you know three to four hundred okay and so and then the other the other question that i'm curious about like if if you're supposed to get we'll go with the three just because it's an easy number like if you're supposed to have a one-to-one ratio of omega-3 and omega-6 and you're only getting three grams is like on the high end of omega-3 is like how do you structure your diet where you only get three grams of omega-6? That's a rough number to hit, I feel like. It is, yeah.

And that's where, you know, especially if you're paleo or you're, you know, keto or whatnot, you know, you really have to pay attention to that. And that's where, again, I always look at Mediterranean diets as great, right? You know, you're looking at a lot of the vegetables, you know, the things that are not going to be hyper, you know, omega-6 rich. But, yeah, I mean, if you're going to the store and just getting, like, a bunch of steak and performing grilling that with cheese, there's no way. And actually, you know, there's a lot of science on this and there's a lot of speculation. So one-to-one is what I say just because we're so pro-inflammatory right now,

but I think four-to-one is still a very healthy ratio. Some people even say ten-to-one. I just base it off of, you know, what is your lifestyle like? Are you coming into a health journey where you've been living off McDonald's for the last ten years? Go one-to-one. You know, start really working at cutting out a lot of that pro-inflammatory. Focus on the vegetables.

Focus on things that don't have a lot of those omega-6s. If you've been healthy for a long time, don't be afraid that if you're 4 to 1, you're 10 to 1, that you're going to be destined for an early grave. So to get the optimum ratio of fatty acids in your diet, what does a breakfast, lunch, dinner look like in your mind? You know, that's a great question. And I think each person is different. Interestingly enough, I just took my microbiome test.

I don't know if you guys are familiar with biome. So this was fascinating, right? I get this list of things that, based off of my gut, I thought were hyper healthy. And it turns out, no, I shouldn't be touching kale. We're going to do this soon. I totally want to do it. I had a buddy that just recently did it, and he was, like, mind blown of all the things. I'll send you guys the test.

Awesome. Okay. That would be awesome. Very cool. So it's incredible. So, you know, like, and again, my grandparents were always concerned about cholesterol. So they're like, oh, you can't eat eggs. You know, and I get my cholesterol test, I'm fine.

And I eat eggs like, you know, like I buy them at Costco. So to me it's. Yeah, Colton. And I eat eggs like, you know, like I buy them at Costco. So to me it's, you know, I think eggs, I try to avoid sugar. That's my big thing. So if I'm eating eggs, you know, any kind of protein in the morning, I always like to kind of glycogen spare. So if I'm going to have any carbs, you know, I start off with like oatmeal in the morning and then I'll start to taper off. Always like to really pack on the vegetables. And then nighttime for me is always kind of like fish, chicken, uh, things like that. Um, again, for me, it's always about avoiding sugar. And what I got out of that microbiome test is, is sugar does not agree with me. Beer and wine, forget about it. It was like,

stick to hard alcohol if you're going to drink, which was kind of interesting. I mean, things that we intuitively might guess, but then, um, but yeah, it was just, it really is kind of interesting. I mean, things that we intuitively might guess, but then, um, but yeah, it was just, it really is kind of this fascinating look at what works for each individual person. So when we start talking about diet trends, I'm like, well, those are great, but how does your unique microbiome, uh, work within that diet trend? So I always recommend these cool diagnostic tools. It's like, take a look at what's going on in your gut. And then you can start to kind of tailor your diet based off of that. If you want to go paleo, if you want to go keto, you know, take those diet recommendations based off that test, and then you can start to kind of tailor your diet based off of that if you want to go paleo if you want to go keto you know take those diet recommendations based off that test and then really start to you know kind of optimize your diet so it works well for you

seems like everything we're doing right now starts to come back to the gut and uh but you keep mentioning inflammation and one of the things especially in our community with our audience they're training hard we squat a lot we're doing olympic lifting and a lot of times that inflammation is just showing up in joint pain and that's one thing that omega-3s and fish oils do a great job of helping eliminate yeah uh is is is there a bunch of science behind that or is that just practical kind of knowledge just getting rid of the inflammation um how to how on like a performance side can fish oils help people? There's a ton of science behind that. And I think obviously, you know, you've got a background in

this as well. But you know, when we really look at it, there's a couple great studies. One is the DOM study that came out of Europe, which is delayed onset muscle soreness. And it really looks at, you know, you know, post workout inflammation. And you know, a large part of that is right, okay, your muscles are sore sore you just you've got your microscope microscopic tears there um we talk about sarcopenia right age-related muscle protein breakdown as you kind of get late 20s early 30s you're just not repairing your muscles the way that you once did so everyone's taking their bcaas they're you know wherever they're getting those uh it doesn't matter you know those are pretty standard across the board but as we get older we recognize that we don't synthesize those as well as we once did.

So fish oil becomes a huge catalyst for improving BCAA supplementation. A lot of studies on that. So we start talking about joint pain, right? You know, you get inflammation in the joints. Your tendons are inflamed, you know, especially with some of those compound, really complex lifts that, you know, Olympic style is doing. You know, it's not the old going to the gym, get on the treadmill for 20 minutes, whatnot. I mean, this is serious working your body.

And so I think as a result of that, we are starting to see more chronic inflammation. And people, unfortunately, have always thought of fish oil as like, oh, I take that when I'm 50, I'm 60 or whatnot. So it's up to us, kind of this community, to really recognize that if you're going to be doing these type of workouts, take the supplements that are going to improve your performance and your recovery. And that's really what it's about, right? You can't keep coming to the gym day after day if you're not recovering. Does it change kind of the amount that they should be taking if there's a health and longevity approach versus a performance approach? I think so.

Omax has a really cool product. It's a max recovery, and it's 2 grams of 93.9% concentrate EPA. And what we found in sports performances is that really seems to move the needle as far as recovery. If you're looking for general maintenance, you know, and I think you're just generally healthy, have a decent diet, I think, you know, 1 to 2 grams a day is still going to be pretty solid but if you're training like you guys are talking about i think that two grams a day or up to three depending on if your gut can handle it really becomes a good starting place when you got into your gut health test what comes back kind of on the oil side with this microbiome and i I've actually never thought about those two being connected. I thought it was more of like the kombucha or taking gut pills, probiotics.

Okay, so here's interesting. I had my 4-year-old daughter take it. Oh, nice. And it gives you such this incredible in-depth look at what's going on in your gut. For instance, I found out that she's eating way too much microwave food. So those type of things will actually show on in your gut. For instance, I found out that she's eating way too much microwave food. So those type of things will actually show up in your gut. Those little critters in there will talk about everything. They will find you.

Too much food that's being microwaved, and that's a problem, or too much food that's in a microwave, like a plastic tray that's being microwaved. No, it's actually food that has been microwaved. Oh, wow. Your gut will actually pick up on that. Dang. So these small little, you know, it's all about small corrections, right? So when we look at our fish oil, we look at, you know, inflammatory markers that take place in our gut.

You know, you can see that in there. And so some of the recommendations that will come out of that is you absolutely need to increase your polyunsaturated fatty acids. You need to decrease your omega-6s. You know, all of that inflammation can sit right there. And it's, so again, it's always, it's very specific to each person, but the test was really cool and looking at like, okay, you know, my omegas are great. I take a lot of them. You know, my omega-6 was actually a little high, which was kind of interesting. So like, all right, you know, I need to, but I travel a lot. I'm not using that as an excuse, but you know, it's like, you're always in a hotel,

and it's like, all right, well, it's the cheeseburger or the steak. What am I getting for dinner? I believe I remember reading a study a while back where they were talking about DHA specifically being a structural component of your nervous system, your brain, your spinal cord, et cetera. In order to build a healthy brain, you have to have DHA. It's a part of the building blocks. It's the bricks and the wall, so to speak.

There are other things in there, too, but DHA is one of the things that it's harder to come by. And so moms that supplement with DHA, you know, third trimester, you know, when they're breastfeeding, their kids were smarter. I think it was in verbal fluency by age five or something like that compared to other kids that were in the control. And then same thing with older people. Like the people that were supplementing with DHA or had higher DHA diets tended to delay dementia. And so they stayed cognitively aware longer than the people that didn't. So that makes me assume that everyone in between, babies and old people, probably could benefit cognitively from taking DHA as well. But I

haven't actually seen any research on it. Do you know anything about cognition and DHA? Oh, absolutely. And I'm glad you talked about that because one of the prenatal products that I developed, what we call Alpha and Omega, is just that it's DHA, which is the building blocks of your brain. And the European Food Safety Agency released a report a couple years ago on breastfeeding, healthy breastfeeding, and it was all about DHA and choline. Yeah, those are the really the two key components that they found were the essential in healthy brain development. So you start taking those in prenatal vitamins.

You want to be building up those stores. You want baby to be getting those during gestation and then in breastfeeding. Sorry, I lost my words there for a second. You're good. And then as you said, you get down towards the end of life and people start taking it but there's all this research in the middle that says yeah you know optimal brain function still requires dha it still requires choline it still requires you know a lot of these constituent parts of this alpha and omega so there's a lot of debate in academic circles about what the ratio of dha to epa is you know

is it four to one is it one to four is it, you know, like my thing is 1 to 1, right? Just get it as close as possible. Just get it as close as possible. You know, 1 to 1 of DHA to EPA, and I think you're going to have everything you need. You're going to have your pro-inflammatory or you're going to have your inflammation resolution with EPA. You're going to have your brain and eye health.

We talk a lot about eye health in kind of the modern health and wellness category, especially with all the screen time, right? It's all this blue light. So if we're kind of eliminating DHA in our diet until we get older, that's a lot of preventative maintenance that we're losing out on when it comes to our eye health. And, you know, to me, it's like I spend way too much time on my phone anyway. You know, I need to be kind of combating that and dha is a great way to do it you mentioned some of the cardiovascular benefits of having omega-3s can you get into the science of that yeah fish oil is good for your heart very good um but that's all

you need to know there you go do it um but i guess even on from the health and longevity side kind of the performance side of things i love just seeing kind of along that spectrum. Like we know people need to be taking this. You're going to live a better life having much more balanced nutrition. But what, I guess, if you're taking a health and longevity approach to this, what is like the cardiovascular benefits? Like what can people actively see or feel when they start doing this? You know, that's that's the interesting thing about omegas.

And I think we'll address that in two parts. Right. So the interesting thing about omegas is if you have joint pain, if you know whatever you take an omega, you're not going to feel it right away. Yeah. And that unfortunately is is the problem with modern Western society is it's the pain pill versus the supplement. It's like, oh, I'm in pain. I need to go to the NSAIDs, whatever that is. And that becomes kind of counterproductive if you're doing it on a long enough timeline. Omegas take a while.

And there's a really cool test out there. It's called OmegaQuant. And I always recommend people take this. It's literally you prick your finger at home, send a dried blood sample in, and they give you what's called an omega index score. The average American is right around two and a half to three on this score, which is kind of a composition of omega six to omega three ratios, your blood lipid profiles, a lot of different things. What their research of

30 years has determined is that if you reach an eight, you're five times more likely to get to your 80s without incidents of cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer's or stroke. Um, but that, that can take six to 12 months of heavy supplementation of omegas to get there. And so we is kind of the society like, Oh, well I took this omega. I didn't feel anything. I'm going to go back to my, you know, my NSAIDs. So I always say, stay on it, you know, let the, let like a test like that, I'll make a quant or a microbiome test, really show you what you're doing with that. So then what was the question, though?

I went off the rails there. I don't even remember. I don't remember either. I just love that. One of the things that I love about the health and longevity side, the cardiovascular side, but I love that in these approaches and when you're talking about fish oils and like actually like the building blocks of what's going on inside you it's a system approach

and it's not just a pill that's going to make you feel better instantly and it's a really hard message to get out to people but getting kind of back to the health and longevity side of it like if you do this it's not like you're going to live, like, 10 extra days. Like, everybody wants this, like, tangible thing. But are there, when you're testing, like, biomarkers, are there things that people can look for to see, oh, wow, this is significantly better. There's significantly less inflammation. My blood pressure is lower.

Are there going to be biomarkers that come back? Cholesterol is going to be a big one. So we're always going to look at a cholesterol, you know, the LDL, HDL, you know, component there. C-reactive protein, homocysteine markers, you know, which are going to be your general inflammation markers are going to be great things to look at. And again, that, you know, that test, the omega test, really just looking at the ratio of omega-6 to omega-3. Now we talk about its impact on the cardiovascular system and outside of the cholesterol piece, there's this great, there's this great infographic that I saw and it really starts to look at plaque buildup in your veins as you get older. And it's

like in your 20s, not much there, 30s there, you start to see at 40s, it kind of just, you know, and it gets to the point that atherosclerosis can become a cardiovascular incident waiting to happen. And the interesting thing is that I saw this particular infographic at a sex education talk, and it was really looking at kind of erectile dysfunction in men being the canary in the coal mine. And you see that the veins in the penis are a lot smaller, so they're representative of what could be a cardiovascular incident down the road. So we really start to look at omegas as this. If we get out in front of that and we start attacking atherosclerosis and really looking at cardiovascular

health, there's some systemic benefits in the bedroom outside of that. But that kind of becomes that canary in the coal mine. Like how are we, how are diets, how are lifestyles, how are our own microbiome impacting what's going on in our veins? Better sex life. Just go take them. Yeah. Drop the mic and walk. All right. Cool.

I'm in. So on the performance side, I think also the inflammation piece, but is there like a spike in all of – is it something that they're going to see just kind of gradually? The study that you guys did, did was on recovery, right? Not specifically. We were looking at oxidative stress and inflammation post-exercise to see if taking EPA and DHA in high amounts,

we were taking about 4 grams total per day, would cause an attenuation. So basically, would it decrease the rate at which oxidative stress and inflammation increase following like an hour long 25 of your body weight backpack carry so i'm 200 pounds 50 pound backpack carry uphill for an hour that's going to cost some amount of oxidative stress and inflammation but for the group that supplemented would they would they get less over time everyone's still going to get some what we found that is that the group that supplemented, would they get less over time? Everyone's still going to get some. What we found is that the group that supplemented,

they started off with a lot lower amounts. You're talking about CRP a second ago. Their CRP went to like half, but it went up at about the same rate. So it didn't attenuate the rate at which their inflammation kicked in. They just started with a lower amount, so they ended with a lower amount. Gotcha. Why did you ask that? Well, there's going to be a test on that later exactly i was like hold on uh no i was i was wanting so like the performance thing like it

always kind of geeks me out because i feel like general health and longevity it's like just let's let's do this thing but what is the difference between kind of working with somebody that's training really hard like they're not normal people And normal people can have really good biomarkers and feel really healthy and live in less pain. And it's going to work. And it's a system approach. And everyone should be doing it. But when you start to throw in high-level training, or not even high-level, but people that are genuinely interested in lifting heavier weights, moving faster, it becomes a different system that you're working with. And you're working with someone that's pushing the limits of this and how can they start to understand the benefits of you know where where

are they going in their training and and by supplementing with this what can they expect to see and how is it kind of helping just benefit their progress that's a great question a really great question and i think it always comes back to there's no one-size-fits-all in all of this, right? So I really look at some of the diagnostic tests, kind of coming back to those as, where do you want to go? Let's look protein is here. You know, right now, maybe you want to get into a really heavy crossfit. Maybe you want to qualify for games. You know what you need to do in the gym to get there. But maybe you're starting off with some issues. Maybe you have high homocysteine C-reactive proteins. We talk a lot about MTHFR mutations, right?

It's, I think, estimated that 45% of the global population has this weird mutation that can cause elevated homocysteine. Now that means you're just not recovering as quickly in the gym. So it means a lot of other things. But that's one of the other one of the key components is that you might just not be recovering as well as you, you know, as well as you should. And we talked a lot about that in prenatal. But that's a big issue for anyone who's really trying to get maximize their their stuff in the gym. So I think when you look at this kind of holistic approach, it's like where are you at, where do you want to go, and how does any kind of supplementation fit into that? You just have to understand what your unique body chemistry has going for it.

By and large, omegas are one of those great things that no one's ever taken an omega and gone into like anaphylactic shock, at least not that I know of. So I never like to say that it's good for everybody, but it's one of those great products where very few people are going to have a negative reaction to it unless you take 20 pills and you shit yourself. Yep. Short-term. Short-term problem.

Short-term, yeah. Think long-term. Long-term learning, though. Don't do that. Don't do that. I mean, if you take super high amounts, are there really many downsides? Like if we talk about three grams being a lot, like if you took 30 grams, is there a big downside physiologically?

I think one of the issues, and interestingly enough, ACOG, the American College of OBGYNs, at one point had kind of recommended removing all of the fat-soluble vitamins from prenatal because if you start to take them in excess, then you end up with these fat-solubles that are sitting there, and then they could ultimately go rancid in your system. So you looked at fetal toxicity as being one of the issues that came from that. I look at it, you know, if I take 30 times the amount of vitamin C that I'm supposed to take, I'm just going to pee it out, you know.

If I take 30 times the amount of fish oil, that's going to sit somewhere here in the system. And what's that eventually going to do? One of the interesting things, there was a study, and it's kind of being validated right now that people who are taking super high levels of EPA had a higher risk of prostate cancer. And so that's one of those things that I look at is, you know, if you're taking way too much, is it just sitting there and ultimately there's a physiological impact to some other system? So, again, it's not that I'm just going to go take my fish oil. It's like I'm going to take my fish oil, my good fish oil, and then I'm going to check that against some of the other things that I need to really look at in my life,

which are your microbiome, your omega indexes, and just even some of your reactive protein tests that are going to really kind of be a good indication of what's going on in your system. So if you want to be that competitive athlete, if you want to take your game to the next level, it's not just go to the vitamin shop, go to GNC and let some minimum wage guy say, take these supplements. It's, you know, it's actually, you know, look at it from the science perspective, know your body, know what you're putting into it, know what you want to get out of it and make sure, you know, you're kind of bridging the gap in that equation on what goes in what has to come out and put the good stuff in where's the conversation going with fish oils we

mentioned earlier how krill oil is kind of taken a little bit of a very popular right now um but where where's the conversation going in the research the research is really headed towards everything algae based right i mean let's be honest honest, we've kind of cocked up our oceans. You know, it's impossible to turn on the news these days and not talk about the giant floating plastic island, you know. Ocean acidification too. Yeah. You know, we've got rising ocean temperatures that's impacting what the actual omega construct in these fish are. You know, it's not just standard at that 1812. We're starting to see some variances in that. There are Japanese fish oil manufacturers

that are literally running Geiger counters over their fish right now because of Fukushima. So we've got some serious issues in the supply chain that I think right now are manageable. Five years from now, 10 years from now, it's going to be a whole different ballgame. So we're really looking a lot at the algae based stuff algae is great for dha so you see it a lot you know we've been able to concentrate up dha

from algae epa is still kind of that that moving target so the science geeks are working hard on it it's close but it's not there yet uh and i think what we're really going to start to see too is kind of this synergistic impact of maybe decreasing the amount of omegas and starting to increase the amount of things like CBD, where we've got this holistic impact on the endocannabinoid system. And there's a lot of research that really shows that omegas are good for the endocannabinoid system. And now that CBD is becoming a lot more mainstream, I think combination products like that are really going to be the future. And CBD is like just crazy on the rise right now. It's getting more and more and more popular,

but it seems still in some sense to be debatable where some people think it's amazing and other people don't like it for all kinds of reasons that oftentimes have nothing to do with the physiological health of the product. But in your mind, do you know a lot about CBD? Yes, I've devoted the last couple of years of my life to being a cbd encyclopedia okay let's talk about cbd for a minute here we go so we'll come back to fish oils people

we're gonna talk about cbd yeah so what is it and like why why has it gotten so popular like what are the benefits to cbd so yeah and let's let's start with let's go way back in time right i mean this is this is like the first medicinal compound on the planet i mean there's there's stuff that shows it was used in india 10000 years ago, China 5,000 years ago. I mean, this is really one of those things that has a long and robust history. And unfortunately, you know, basically, George Washington grew this shit in his front yard, right? So in the 1930s, as a result of, you know, the plastics companies, the rope companies, and basically kind of a reverse immigration policy. Marijuana and subsequently CBD became like this scapegoat.

And interestingly enough, when you look at the history, it was, there's this whole thing about how there was a concern that Mexican men were going to come over the border and get drunk and start harassing white women. So they made marijuana the catalyst to basically detain people and send them back across the border. Kind of an interesting political thing, which we won't even get into. It's like a way to be racist without being racist. Exactly, yeah. Sounds somewhat similar to what's, you know.

Anyway. So then all of a sudden marijuana and then subsequently CBD get thrown on this DEA list as like a schedule one drug with like, you know, heroin and cocaine. CBD basically is one of 113 phytocannabinoids that is sourced from hemp, you know, that the hemp plant, the two most prevalent of those phytocannabinoids, THC and CBD. So to really get CBD legally into the country or to be able to sell it, you have to have THC below 0.3%, which wouldn't show up on a drug test. That's the psychoactive component. That's the thing that's going to get you high. That's going to have you at 7-Eleven getting nachos at 3 a.m.

It's good at that. Yeah, it's very good at that. So when you get rid of that THC, now you have CBD, which has all of these incredible implications for health and wellness. And what it does is impact the endocannabinoid system, which is this thing that basically exists in your brain and your peripheral nervous system. And when we really look at what CBD does, there's, I mean, it unfortunately has become a catch-all for everything. Because it does so much and because the research has been very limited due to its legal status, it's become that catch- right now it's like i don't know what cbd does so it does everything you know it's good for inflammation it's good for back pain it's good for cancer it's like you know i grow my hair remove my third nut is that real i could use some hair me too yeah i've used the third nut

so many benefits so many benefits Let's start drinking it. I'll send you some of that, too. So, but really when we talk about sports performance, when we talk about inflammation, there's some incredible research that shows, you know, post-exercise inflammation, it's great for that. It's great for really impacting the peripheral nervous system. So kind of that mind-body connection, you know, as we start to get older, nerve conduction velocity decreases, cell to cell communication decreases, it seems to have a pretty profound impact on that. So, you know, as you're starting to get gassed, as you've done your, you know, 10th rep or something like that, you're going to have a little bit more in the tank

as a result of some of this stuff. And again, there's a lot more research that needs to be done on it, but an incredibly cool product. And i think one of the things that obviously it's on track to be a three billion dollar business in the u.s alone next year um i'm really looking forward to a lot of the research a lot of which i'm participating in um omax has got a product coming out next uh next month which is a combination of cbd omegas and theanine so we talk a lot about social anxiety disorder basically just needing to unplug and taking a little it's a chill pill which is yeah uh you mentioned combining these two things together what is the process of that and you know are you guys working on what would it how what is like a right way to go about that i've never even heard of combining those two together yeah that's another

great question so um yeah there's some people that will just throw stuff in a soft gel in their garage and you know or put it in a gel cap or a capsule and sell it online um really for me it's always you know the focus on quality and it's the focus on the process right so uh interestingly enough cbd oil is very temperamental to work with um it's not just this, you know, oil like fish where it comes out looking pretty, you know, it's actually very goopy and it's just, it's a pain in the ass to work with. So, you know, part of it is creating a structure and a process to really, you know, buying these two ingredients together and to make sure that every gel cap, every soft gel has

exactly what you want it to do. But bioavailability is a big thing for me. So I always talk about structured lipids, you know, putting in something like a fossil title choline and alpha GPC, you know, fossil title serine. So you have these binding agents that aren't just fillers, aren't just crap, but really allow that particular product to improve its efficacy, you know, simply with just minor tweaks like that. So this particular product, I love great clinical research right now on omegas and the endocannabinoid system, this whole system throughout your body that seems to really respond to CBD, but also to omega. So you kind of have this cool synergistic benefit. Can you dig into the endocannabinoid system? Yes. Kind of like

when I went through cellular nutrition in college, like no graduate school, no mention. Yeah. It seems to be a relatively new thing. That's that that's in pop culture it is yeah and it's you know it's funny it's become very hot people are talking about it half the people can't even say it um i couldn't for a while i'm like you know i'm like endocannabinoid what you know like what what is that it sounds like cannabis this guy's i should have it was like, you just made that word up. So, yeah, the endocannabinoid system, and really it's this – I've got this great infographic. I wish I would have had it, but, you know, you really kind of – We can stick it in the show notes. Cool.

I'd love to. But really you look at this system in your body that really – it's part of your central nervous system and your peripheral nervous system. And it's responsible for a whole host of things. But really, inflammation resolution seems to be one of those stress modulation. So, you know, we always talk about anti inflammatory. But I'm always I don't like that word. I like inflammation resolution, right? Because some inflammation is great. You know, it's how quickly do you resolve that, you know, that inflammation, bring yourself back to homeostasis. That's really the, you know, the kind of the marker of success in your body. That's like similar to what people say about getting in

shape. It's not that you don't get tired when you work out. It's that once you stop working out, a lot of people are in really good shape. They kind of come back to normal very, very quickly. Like you recover very fast. I feel like that was a similar analogy. I think that's a perfect analogy. And I think that's great, you know, because once your body is used to that, you know, you know, your body knows how to return itself to homeostasis quicker. So acute inflammation, and I always look at it in the sense of if I get a cut, right, you know, that's acute inflammation, I'm going to swell a little bit either internally, my immune system is going to go to try to tackle that. Now, if my system is bogged down with so many things,

you know, bad food, bad diet, not enough, you know, not enough of the good stuff in my system, that acute inflammation can become chronic and chronic is basically disease. So you look at the endocannabinoid system. And part of what that does is really modulating stress and inflammation so that you can tackle acute inflammation before it becomes chronic. Got it, I think. Now, let's talk about that as it pertains to working out, right? You know, if you're really busting your ass in the gym, you're going to have a whole lot of inflammation in your system. Inflammation isn't always bad.

No, not at all. There's a reason inflammation exists. It's your body protecting it. it's what you talked about how well are you processing it to get rid of the inflammation but it needs to be there we shouldn't just throw out inflammation as if it's like this awful thing that exists in your body and we need to just completely eliminate it forever like there's a reason that it happens it's a part of your natural recovery process like i've heard i've heard research has been done on you know some nseds earlier ums earlier, like ibuprofen and things like that. You take a lot of ibuprofen post-workout, and what the research shows is that you recover,

or actually you build muscle to a lesser extent than if you didn't take ibuprofen. So you're taking something that's anti-inflammatory, but it's actually hurting your recovery, even though it makes you feel better probably. And the whole rice protocol is built on stopping inflammation, which you're just kind of freezing that body part or wherever the inflammation is and it's like you know your body's rushing new blood there it's swelling because it's trying to protect that so it's not let's just end inflammation you actually need it it's the chronic inflammation that you were talking about that really is what we're trying to fight were those things accurate what we just said about you know about the NSAIDs post-workout and or icing post-workout and muscle recovery? Yeah. Yeah. And, and I, both of those, um, and,

and I think that, you know, there's some, uh, the NSAIDs to me are, you know, we need to get off of those. We look at what, what it's doing to our livers, what it's doing to our bodies. And, and the problem is, is that, yeah, if I've got a massive headache, I'm going to go for one of those. But, you know, we've just become such a pill popping society where it's like, oh, I've got just the tiniest amount of pain. I'm going to go, you know, I'm going become such a pill-popping society where it's like, oh, I've got just the tiniest amount of pain. I'm going to go, you know, I'm going to go to those. And I think it's created, unfortunately, a generation of people who they go to the gym and they have that post-exercise muscle soreness, the good stuff. You know, the thing that says, yeah, I'm alive.

I busted my ass in the gym. My body's recovering. What can I do to help my body recover? People are like, and rather than doing it with food, with supplements, with, you know know any number of different therapies that can really help that they go pop those pills and so yeah the research is absolutely clear on that don't do it um the you know the ice thing that's kind of interesting you know we've got the whole xpt i don't know if you're familiar with uh yeah oh sure yeah annie gobblin one of our co-hosts is a part of their their staff he goes out to their events now he's actually on staff but he goes out to their events all the time

and does a lot of that stuff with Brian McKenzie and Laird. Cool. And I think we're scheduled to do something with them as well. So I'm kind of stoked because I've always loved ice. For me, that's a great way to tackle inflammation, do it in a natural way without going to chemicals. But I still think ultimately you your body needs to teach itself how to heal and it does that with good food with good supplements um and uh you know

a lifestyle that's not based off of you know putting crap into your system yeah i think a little bit of the history it's gary ryan i'm gonna butcher his last name i just heard an interview with him recently actually and he was talking about how the rice protocol was just kind of created to solve a problem that they were they were solving the wrong problem and like it was like kind of more blunt trauma and I think a lot of it was like if you're like lose an appendage or something like freeze the thing Mm-hmm, and then bring it in and it was like oh inflammation this must work And then the compression is keeping the blood away. So the swelling goes down.

It's like, well, we might actually want to get new blood there. So the heat, we're going to have to have them on the show. So we're going to actually get that right. But let's do it. Um,

uh, I have a question about back on the, on the visual topic. I remember years ago, I was talking to someone who was a part of a veterinary journal and they were saying that, that with respect to animals, so this wasn't in human human populations this was looking at like dogs and monkeys and and whatnot um they were using fish oil to help with things like ectopic dermatitis and like skin

conditions like has there been any much research on on humans regarding skin health in omega-3s there is there's been a lot of research on it um i think a lot of it is is outside of the scope because I really haven't spent a lot of time looking at fish oil for skin. But yeah, I know that there's a lot of benefits there. And I know a lot of that animal research, interestingly enough, because we do talk a lot about animal research and omegas. And, you know, anyone who has pets, it's my recommendation is put your dog on a fish oil, a high quality one. Because it's interesting is the inflammatory response in pets is so much higher than it is in humans. And that's why, like, all of a sudden people talk about it. It's like, my dog was great. And then one day it's just he got sick and then it's like, boom, you know. And so once that inflammatory process takes place in a dog, it's like it's so hard to bring them back to homeostasis.

So we really look at, like, fish oil. CBD is a huge one. Pot for pets is one of the fastest growing categories right now. Pot for pets. I hadn't heard of this yet. What a genius idea. Those guys have to be fucking smashing it right now. Yeah, they are. It's the happiest dogs ever. No barking. They're so happy.

Why is this dog sleeping all day? Well, we got an eye in. And he's so healthy. Every morning we're just feeding him brownies. He won't stop watching Dude Where's My Car and laughing his ass off. Greatest greatest dog ever i love that there's a pet market for that well yeah your pet's not supposed to be in a house all day your dog is supposed to be out hunting yeah it's not a freaking house thing sitting there in its little comfy bed watching dude where's my car no it's supposed to be outside with its dudes hunting little animals yeah peeing on things get your

dog out of the house let Let it be an animal. How long did it take before a wolf turned into a poodle? How long did it take for a wolf to turn into something that you can take on a plane? Oh, my God. What happens when the dog has to shit on the plane? This has to happen at least 1,000 times a day, right? Don't give your dog fish oil if you're going to take it on a plane. That's the big wait till your friend's gonna go on a plane with his dog and give him like 30 pills yeah these will be good for your dog to hear the story he told us he told

us listen to this interview i'm serious he said let's put the dog 20 is a good number yeah exactly so earlier you were talking about erectile dysfunction and cognition and having um excuse me you were talking about erectile dysfunction being the canary in the coal mine with having a potential cardiac event, heart attack, et cetera, later on down the road. So do omega-3s help with just circulation in general? Yeah, and there's some evidence that suggests that omegas are not only a blood thinner, but they can help with vasodilation, things like that. So, you know, again, if you've gone too far down that road where atherosclerosis has really kicked in and you've got severe plaque buildup, you know, just taking an omega supplement isn't going to reverse that. But that's why I always say get on it early, right? I mean, you really look at this infographic and we can put that on the site. That's an interesting thing for, you know, men and women

to start to see in their 20s and 30s. It's like, you know, it starts then and you might not see the ramifications of that until 30 years down the road. But by that point, you know, you've missed out on all of that opportunity to do something about it. So when we start talking about healthy blood flow, you know, preventing plaque, you know, arterial plaque buildup, that's where it can really have a profound impact. And I always say it's like, I thought of my grandmother, you know best woman i've ever known in my entire life but one of the most traumatic experiences in my entire existence was her coming at me with cod liver oil when i was like seven and like that was the worst like i barfed it's just that rancid fishy it sticks with you all day it does and it stuck stuck with me for years to the point where it's like I got into the health space,

and I fundamentally understood all of the benefits of these PUFAs, these polyunsaturated fatty acids, and I still didn't do it. I was mentally blocked, and I'm like, in my 20s, I don't need that. I'm immortal. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, no, that's not the case. It's like start a journey now so that's not the case it's like start start a journey now so you're not paying for it later on and you know when we really look at the benefits sometimes it's it's hitting your ego right it's like if you want to compete in your crossfit games you want to take

your game to the next level start looking at some supplementation that's outside of that traditional i think what a lot of people are looking at in supplements what are you looking for like you're you seem to be kind of at the forefront of, it was the fish oils and still is fish oils, but leading into the CBDs and, you know, put that message pushing forward. What, where's the, where's the conversation or what are you kind of trying to help everybody understand? Well, the next evolution, that's, that's an awesome question. And I would definitely be on the lookout for this, is pro-resolving mediators. Whoa. Dang. He gave you a real answer.

Bam. Check it out. Pro-resolving mediators. I like that. So, Medigenics has a product on the market, and it's called, they're specialized pro-resolving mediators. Do you know who Dr. Jeff Bland is? He's considered like the father of functional medicine, and he was one of the ones back

in the 60s and 70s that really wanted to take a more holistic approach to healthcare. And then he, you know, founded Metagenics, you know, has really had a profound impact on supplements being a major therapy for doctors when it comes to treating disease. One of their biggest selling products over the last year or so has been the specialized pro resolving mediators. And he talks about it in the sense that for years, we've known that omegas are good for you. Now we know why. So what we're able to do with fish oil is we're actually able to break it down into these fractions. And these fractions have really unique impact on the biomechanics of ourselves, of just the physiological way that they work. So they're downstream metabolites of fish oil.

So as we get closer to their actual root source of what they're supposed to do, we kind of eliminate a lot of the processing. You know, that kind of goes into place. So we're starting to see some really cool clinical research coming out on these pro-resolving mediators. So it's something, I mean, give it a year and you're going to see them all over the place, but they're incredible. So with EPA, it's like the precursor to releasing eicosanoids, prostaglandins, leukotrienes, things like that.

Can you supplement directly with those anti-inflammatory molecules? Those are those SPMs that we're talking about. So, I mean, you literally just went right down that road and those are those resolvins, the protectins, the myriscins, all of those, you know, it's those downstream metabolites. So the problem is that they're really unstable, right? So what we're finding is the development process, the second you introduce them to heat, forget about it, they're gone. So we're really having to create some unique and novel ways to extract those things, get closer to the source, you know, get even, you know, even get rid of the omegas itself and just having these really unique

constituent parts of the fish oil that have these incredible inflammatory response effects. So, yeah, it's not there 100% commercially viable yet, but give it a year or so, and I think you're going to see some pretty cool things. And I mean, I look at it from my performance in the gym. I've been playing with some of these things, and I notice a huge impact. So being a subject matter expert in this whole category, we've touched on many things that are pretty standard to the fish oil conversation. Is there anything in your mind that we should be talking about

that we just haven't touched on yet? What are the things that people need to focus on, but it's just not a part of mainstream conversation? That's a great question. Wow. Well, I think we talked a lot about what you shouldn't be doing, and that's really getting the cheap stuff, how negative that can be. I think the funny thing is, right,

is that everyone's always known that fish oil is good for you. That seems to be kind of interwoven into our culture. People recognize the inherent benefits, but they don't necessarily know why. So now part of my pulpit, what I want to jump on, is really to educate the average consumer about what they should be taking. Don't let Larry King sell you on some green-lit muscle BS. Sorry, Larry. Let's look at the real science. Let's take a look at the clinical evidence and really apply that to the supplements that

we're going to be doing. So to me, it's the one-to-one, right? That's my big thing. Now there's some other ones like the four-to-one that Omax sells. I think that's a great product. You know, getting into these specialized pro-resolving mediators, looking at combo products, things that are synergistic, omegas with phospholipids you know whether that's a gpc you know something like that uh really elevating the efficacy of your omegas when you take them um so there's some great like

omegas astaxanthin combinations those are kind of cool um i was for me it's like don't take too much of that especially with guys because there's because there's some science that says that too much astaxanthin for a guy can lead to erectile dysfunction. So maybe that's a once-a-week type of pill. Is that just in there to help keep it from going rancid, like putting vitamin E in other oils? Kind of, but the astaxanthin also works as an active transport mechanism. So you have that phospholipid carrier that's going to help bioavailability of your omegas. So I always look at it like what's your goal, right? That omega index, if it, if the, and I'm kind of an, you know, I'm one of those guys, like, I don't like you,

I'm going to 10X something. It's like, if you tell me it's going to take a year to get my omega score up, no, I can do it in two months. So, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to shit myself first and let's go back to the drawing board and figure out what can I take. Find your high limit, back it down. Exactly. 20 pills today? Okay, only 19 tomorrow. We're going to work. But, you know, what can you take that actually improves the efficacy of that?

Also, multimotive action, right? That's the big thing for me. I was at the airport the other day, and I saw this older couple, and they had, like, that suitcase. You remember Bill Romanowski from the Broncos? Yeah. He had that, like, suitcase of supplements, right? And this couple had that, and I'm looking, and I'm like, what could you possibly be taking? And so for me, it's like, less is more.

We should be able to decrease our supplementation, focus on, you know, high-impact, high-quality supplements, like a fish oil, maybe married with the GPC. I think that's a great concept. That's actually something I'd like to dig into as well the alpha gpc component because i feel like i keep hearing more and more and more about that over the last couple years as well but i don't know as much about it so gpc interestingly enough it's it's a it's an active pharmaceutical ingredient used in uh europe for alzheimer's and dementia medication um so and it's also actually used intravenously to help people come out of surgery so you know out of anesthesia so it's got this brain boosting impact without being a cardiovascular stimulant

which could be detrimental to someone who just had surgery so now here's the really cool thing right that european food safety european food safety agency report that talked about healthy breastfeeding said that the predominant choline source found in breast milk is alpha gpc so when you pair that with a dha you have this really cool multi-mode of action right it's a water phase phospholipid that you've just paired with a you know lipophilic product so you've kind of created this emulsion in your system gpc typically is converted in your system back to fossil title choline DHA. So we've eliminated a lot of the energy conversion in your system, uh, by pairing these two together. So DHA will actually bind with the GPC and get across your blood brain barrier even faster.

So you have this like instant cognitive boost within like 60 minutes. So typically when you look at cognition and, you know, omegas, that's not something that happens. You're like, oh, I'm feeling a little foggy today. Let me pop, omegas, that's not something that happens. You're like, oh, I'm feeling a little foggy today. Let me pop my omegas and I'm going to feel better. It doesn't happen. With this particular construct, it absolutely does. There's a whole litany of things that GPC is good for.

A lot of the clinical research has been done on power output. So you see it helping increase growth hormone. It works for mind muscle. You know, a lot of the things that we really want in sports nutrition. So it's always been used as a sports nutrition product here in the U.S. But, yeah, I mean, like growth hormone, cell-to-cell communication, nerve conduction velocity. I mean, all the things that we want in the gym. But then we also want when we're sitting at our desk trying to be, you know, trying to be smart, you know, trying to craft those emails, you know.

When it's 3 o'clock and we're like, man, I'm toast. I need my, you know, fourth cup of coffee or whatever it is. A lot of that can be counteracted with GPC and especially when you bind it with an omega. So for something like egg yolks that has a lot of choline in it, it has a lot of phosphatidylcholine, which is what makes it possible to create an emulsion. If you want to make a mayonnaise or something like that, you put an egg yolk in there to help with that fat-oil mixture. Eating egg yolks, if choline is, like, one of the things we're looking for, is that something that you can get enough choline by eating, you know,

three to five eggs a day to get those cognition benefits? You can. Now, there's a couple different ways, you know, a couple different modes of action on this one, right? So straight choline has a different mode of action than, like, fossil fossil title colon or GPC, you know, so you have to look at them. I love eggs for their fossil title choline benefit. If you look at a lot of supplements, now it's choline bitartrate, right? Choline salts, all the clinical evidence shows zero impact on brain metabolism. So they're great for other bodily functions. But when you really want

something going on upstairs, you know, eggs now the fossil title cooling cooling weight by weight basis I think is right around 21% so you go to like a GPC and that's like 40% so you're just getting more or a higher concentration of that specific GPC but you're getting something that crosses the blood-brain barrier quicker and is almost an immediate precursor to a subtle choline which is you know a neurotransmitter. So you kind of get the speed going upstairs a little bit faster with a GPC versus a PC, but they're all great products.

So I would say, you know, I love my eggs and I, you know, my daughter, I think she'd just eat eggs 24-7 if she could. She's like cool hand Luke. That's what he does. Colton's all about some eggs. Yeah. Dude, the Costco egg. Let's turn that thing around so they can see what this

is. He's so tan. So many veins. It'd just be a letdown if he turned the camera around. We've built him up so much from this side. They don't need to know. No one actually knows that he's a gamer and he's like 315 pounds. He's never set foot in a gym outside

of recording our show. It's awesome. This was awesome. I love having guests on where I leave with no questions left. You pretty much got all the fish oil questions I could ever come up with.

It was awesome. My daughter was sick last night. She's suffering from some pretty bad allergies, so I might have had some serious ADD in this conversation. It's perfect. I might have been a pinball today. We got all of it. Where can people find you? You know, Omax.

Well, let's talk about the products, right? Let's do it. So omaxhealth.com. You're going to see the Omegas. You're going to see the Alpha GPC product. You're going to see the CBD product. Definitely excited about that one. And you had a big hand in the development of these products?

I developed them all. Right. Yeah, so those were kind of my... The hand. I did it. That came out a little, yeah. No, you're good. Yeah, yeah.

No, that's exactly what I wanted to know. Were you the one that developed the products, or was that a team that you ever saw? What's the story there? No, no. The Alpha and Omega, as I said, that was something that I created for prenatal vitamins. And what we found out, to really come full circle, is that that DHA and that GPC is something that we don't want to just stop that when we're done breastfeeding. We want to carry that forward all the stages of our lives. So it was something I really wanted to take.

My grandfather had Alzheimer's. He had dementia. He also was in the in the 60s, he had a painting and a painting company and a gas station. So he had severe lead poisoning, you know, heavy metal toxins, things like that. So I've always been cognizant of cognitive decline, and wanted to do everything that I could to kind of prevent that. So this was not just for my daughters, also for me, and I've really kind of made this a platform for myself when we talk about brain health. If you see that on the if you see that particular product on the OMAX site, you'll also be able to see the book that I wrote on. It's called 30 Days to a Better Brain, but it's just tips and tricks to really start optimizing your brain function.

Make sure that you're not falling asleep at the wheel, so to speak, when it comes to brain health. So, yeah that that's the that's product and then the cbd thing is is something that i've really become passionate about it was interesting too is with cbd i like a lot of people you know kind of growing up in sports kind of equated cbd with marijuana so i'm like no that's a no-go you know playing sports in high school and college it's like you get caught with that stuff you're done so then all of a sudden cbd came out i'm like no it's marijuana i'm not going to touch it and then it took me a long time to really look at the research and say this is not marijuana this is

not what society had kind of demonized this is a really therapeutic product there's a lot of cool things that we can do with this so i'm really excited for people to uh to get their hands on that one and when we talk about social anxiety disorder, I mean, hell, I think FOMO is now like a clinical term, right? I mean, that's just, that's asinine. But, you know, the fact that we have these issues, I think is just proof positive that we need products that can really address issues associated with the modern lifestyle. Yeah, I love that you guys are coming,

and you're so well-versed in the science and clinical side of it, just backing the products. And we're super excited to be working with you guys. It's been awesome, guys. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. We just started this fun partnership, and just the products you guys have been putting out,

it's really awesome to be able to do this with you. Cool. Anything else? Omax.com? Omax.com. You can catch me, you know, Evan underscore DeMarco on Instagram. You can see. There it is. There's DeMarco on Instagram. You can see. There it is.

There's always an Instagram. I'm an Instagram model. Colton will be doing a photo shoot with you shortly. That's right. I don't have any followers, but I'm an Instagram model. Yeah, as long as you're taking nice pictures and posting them, you're modeling something. Yeah.

You know, or go no clothes and model nothing. There's a couple of those on there as well. Doug. Yeah. Where can people find you? Evan, this was super cool. Thanks for coming on. You can find me on Instagram at Douglas E. Larson and, of course, everything Shrug Collective.

Yeah. Make sure you go and follow Mr. Fitzby at Fitzby Co. He's got a sweet shirt on today that has most of the threads still on it, no holes in it, but definitely wearing women's joggers, and that's important. And I don't know what's on under that, but he pulls it off well. 100% women's clothes. He wears it well. At Colton Duncan J., is that right?

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