Barbell Shrugged - Caffeine, Kilos, and the Diesel Dad Life w/ Danny Lehr, Anders Varner, Doug Larson, and Coach Travis Mash - Barbell Shrugged #565

Episode Date: April 8, 2021

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I feel like you need a Twitter post that just says that. Just let it hang. What about our boy Square University? He is getting attacked right now. About what? I've been on Twitter today. He said something about like – Wait, should we wait? Should we start and then talk about this?

No, no. I don't want to. I love Squat University. We are recording for the record. All right. Well, don't put this in. Colton will back this out. Colton, back this out. So he said if you compare a 650 squat to a 500 squat,

if the 500 squat is more technically sound, I'll take the 500. Do you agree with me or not? Even I didn't. But I was cool about it. I was like, I'm not going to have to agree or disagree on this one. More is more. That's how it works. More is more.

Nobody's squatting 500 isn't also trying to squat 650, right? Yeah. You don't just go randomly do 500 for health. Yes. Well, isn't it also the idea like if more wasn't more, no one would ever wear a belt, right? Like don't you wear a belt so that you can lift more because – you're going to have a greater adaptation and so you could just not wear a belt and do less weight and then not do as much weight not get the adaptation from it right but that'd be ridiculous

everyone would say that's silly for everyone who actually all right now we can actually talk about this he's saying this for competitors or he's saying this for general health that was the what's the context i think that he should have explained a little bit better you know i think what he was saying is if he asked the question at the end it wasn't making a statement right was he throwing it out there saying like what does everyone think or is he saying i'd rather have somebody squat 500 technically perfect versus somebody just squat 650 he said let me see if I can find it. The thing is, someone who can squat 500 technically perfect,

650 is like, they're probably, anyway, if they can squat 650, they can definitely squat more than 500 technically perfect. They can probably squat like fucking 585 technically perfect. Yeah. Right. So his numbers are way off, so the entire argument is total shit. He just riled people up good job squad university yeah you know what he tried to do get hung up in a in an algorithm and it looks like he crushed it

yeah here's the took over our whole show welcome to squad university we're doing we're doing his bidding right now yeah evil marketing genius he said any possible deniability like i wasn't doing that i would never be so offensive that's squat university's problem he said listen he said he said lifter a squat 650 training with a hip shift in a slight knee cave oh there's there's yep. Lifter B squats, 500 training with great looking technique. Both are impressive, but lifter B is more impressive.

Agree or disagree. I'm like disagree because like you gotta, you needed to clarify, like, who are you talking about? You're talking about, I'll play, I'll play devil's advocate and just say,

I'll take the, I'll take the 500. Perfect. Because six 50 flawed, who gives a shit? You're not a world record holder. You're not actually achieving. But I'm beating you. You are winning, but it's like being a scratch golfer that has a less chance of becoming like a plus two handicap.

I'll take Danny's opinion. You take 90% of his 650 or 585 or whatever it is, and he probably can do it fantastically well. And I'll tell you another thing is I would... Hold on a second. Now let's do this.

I would take 650 because I've squatted 500 pounds but i've never fucking squatted 650 and i feel like that'd be cooler to say right yeah but if you hang out if you hang if you squat 650 there's 25 of your friends squat 700 and you still think you're a pansy that's how it works no yeah 100 Yeah, 100%. 100%. Well, you, first off, you only have like eight friends, so that's really like two people. Oh, he's got 650 if you're with an eight friends.

Yeah, I think the easiest argument here is, can lifter A do what lifter B does, and can lifter B do what lifter A does? And the 650 guy can definitely do the 500, and the 500 guy probably cannot do the 650. And the 650 guy can do more than 500 with perfect technique, guaranteed. I think he needed to clarify.

If you're talking to powerlifters, absolutely you're wrong. If you're talking to weightlifters, absolutely you're wrong. But if you're talking like football players, general pop, then maybe you're right. Here's the thing. Nobody you're training in general pop is squatting 500 or 650. If they are, then like they've spent a lot of time only trying to do that. In which case they're really a power lifter,

not really general pop anyway. Right. Totally agree. Yes. Either way. Like, I feel like if you squat 650, you could probably hit 500 for a perfect set of eight.

Yeah. Like that's probably Trump card. and the whole thing is go okay well it's perfect i'll just do i'll do 12 of them how's that sound i'll tell you this the guy that has never squatted 650 with bad form cannot do 500 for eight true wait wait sorry say that again like basically that it's the same argument right like yeah that the guy who squats 650 can probably do 500 for eight but the guy who squats 500 perfect but cannot do 600 like definitely cannot do the 500 for eight yeah so this reminds me of actually it's all right hold on a second we're crushing the show right now this is phenomenal information that everybody wants to know part of bash i want you to represent

your question at the top of this thing after we do the intro. Okay. I'm about to do a... We're not putting Aaron down or anything. I thought you were going to like it. Yeah, for the audience, Aaron's awesome. He's a good buddy of ours. Welcome to Marvel Shrugged.

I'm Anders Varner. You're coming into a beautifully heated debate right now where we're analyzing something that is on the internet, which is phenomenal. I'm Anders Varner. Doug Lars and Coach Travis Mast from Caffeine and Kilos, Danny Lair. Welcome to the show, dude. Yeah.

All right, Mash. Go ahead. Hold on, Mash. We have to represent at the very top of this. What is the tweet that we are talking about that our good friend, one of the coolest people, one of the best interviewers, interviewees, our friend, we really love him, Squat University, put out a tweet today. It was like a couple days ago. He did exactly what he was supposed to do,

which was get it hung up in an algorithm, get people fired up, and we're excited to dive into it ourselves. Yeah, to be clear, he's got 39,000 likes on this thing. The algorithm works. Great job, Twitter. Lifter A squats 650 in training with a hip shift and a slight knee cave. Lifter B squats 500 pounds in training with great-looking technique. Both are impressive, but Lifter B is more impressive.

That's what Squatting University is saying. Do you agree or disagree? Which he knows. I've already said I disagree. Did he reply to you specifically? Yeah. He called him a son of a bitch. He said, I would unfollow you. He said, I should have clarified.

Yeah, you should probably clarify this one. Did he clarify to you? Yeah, on Twitter he did. He said, I should have clarified. I'm like, yeah, you should probably clarify this one. Wait, did he clarify to you? Yeah, yeah. On Twitter he did. He said something like, he said, I'm talking in training. I'm like, yeah. Because I said, I've watched people set world records with bad form, and I've seen people in the same meet do 150 pounds less,

and nobody remembers their name, yet the world record is the world record. And, like, so I'm going to go with the world record right like i don't know like more is more like if i beat you nobody's gonna remember who the hell you are i want in the they're gonna remember that so yeah danny you right before we intro the show because we literally talked about this for 10 minutes before but you were about to break into a point i'm giving you the mic back oh so the the idea is that uh you i don't think you can really push and increase your weight too much if you only ever do reps with perfect form at a certain point you have you got to push the the boundaries go to the edges a little bit and

then you clean it up and it's actually this great glassman uh quote i remember he said uh like i'm going to tell you to type so fast you miss the keys and then i'm going to tell you to stop missing the fucking keys yeah right and it's like that's the whole thing is like if you don't push the envelope to where some some something breaks down you're not really going to improve right so like when i'm coaching people in my gym i'm always going to encourage them to have perfect technique and to do it but if it looks perfect what i'm going to say is well the only appropriate feedback is more weight right like to a certain point you know and so that that's definitely a factor here i think most people actually told me this one time with respect to gymnastics progression is that when you're going through a progression for for pull-ups or muscle

ups or whatever it happens to be once you're 80% proficient at whatever that level is, you move on to the next level. You don't wait until it's perfect. You move on to the next level. Once that's 80%, you go up to the next level. And then you cycle back and kind of progress all the way back through again with the knowledge and experience of having done the higher levels. And then you kind of just have this flow of going back through the progressions

again and again over time. Just so the audience is aware too i'm drinking a delicious cup of diesel coffee here and masters took a dry shot of c4 and washed it down at one o'clock in the afternoon eastern standard time so let's have a little little fun here fellas i woke up this morning and discovered that i didn't have any caffeinated coffee and all i have is i'm like extra jealous right now i would cry you can't say that when you're talking to danny lear he makes coffee if i was in that if i was in that situation i would have been at the store because when my wife woke up, if there's no coffee made, I am up to the screen. Yeah, me too.

Going back to the 500 to 650, how many years of intelligent training does it take to go, do you think, to go from 500 to 650 in a back squat? Probably never happened, probably. It depends on who you're talking to. If you're talking to a 17-year-old kid, it will. But if you're talking to a 25-year-old and they squat 500, they're not going to see 650 unless they take steroids probably. So it's like it's just – that's a big deal. I mean, you know, like what is – you know, 650, is that even – is 580% of that?

Or are they training full-time and that's the whole thing too? Like what's their commitment to doing it, right? Like if they're training as a weightlifter and they're training nine sessions a week they'll probably get there in a couple years or whatever you get to see wes you get to see wes train all the time he's he started olympic weightlifting late in his career he doesn't have a problem right yeah so he started but he also does 12 12 sessions a week or some shit like that right um and he and he weighs he had to take body weight into account on this right like he weighs 230 pounds he trains 12 sessions a week he's just a tank like that guy can just got abs yeah what does he can handle

volume for a guy that size it's it's unbelievable i think they're smart with his training too like he rarely goes to complete failure which you do have to go it's just you I think they're smart with his training too. He rarely goes to complete failure, which you do have to go. You just don't want to go all the time because failure is rough, and you do get adaptation, but eventually you go past the ability to adapt. I was having a hard time last time I was out there like two weeks ago because he just keeps getting in these new training partners, and they're all great. I love all – most of them actually are from utrap you know and they're great but it's like just he

because of the volume he can handle so i said i said oh you got your new fresh crop and they're going to turn out another 18 months like every 18 months he just turns out a new training partner someone gets hurt and they can't recover and so then like new guy in because they're trying to keep up with it he's just such a beast they're like doing what everything they can to keep up and they just can't and so every 18 months he needs fresh meat and it should probably start at like eight sessions and build up slowly i assumed that when when we interviewed him i assumed he was eating like 5 000 calories a day and like the only way he was going to be able to keep up with that volume and the intensity that he trains at and when he started breaking it out i was like man you're like 3 500

calories a day you just sleep well just it's freaky what he's able to do and keep that volume he's from tennessee you know he just likes to just build different he just wants to work out and you know his wife they just had a baby so his wife was pregnant so i think his calories He's from Tennessee. He just likes to build different. He just wants to work out. He's the best. They just had a baby, so his wife was pregnant, so I think his calories were up a little bit. I think it's still cool that he snatched the most with me, not with Dave. Call Dave. Let's get it going.

He snatched 180 in 2017. Dave was at his brother's like wedding yeah dude one of my danny one of my favorite things is to have dads on the show that love lifting weights and and see like how what your training actually looks like now like where what do you have going on where are you at and your training yeah man so i uh i go to the class at my gym twice a week. Beautiful. And then on a third day, I coach a class because I love doing it. And so I'll do that day's workout right before coaching the class. Just kind of treat the first couple minutes like a warm up. Yeah, that's about it. And then on like three days a week. Yeah. And I try to do something on a Saturday or whatever. I mean, I do little

things throughout the week, but like you talk about, but when I say little things, I mean, like I might like jog a mile, but like not have a clock. Like there's a canal by my house. Like, like I don't time it because if I, if I know I'm going to time it, I won't do it because like, I don't really feel like putting out, but like, I'll just fuck around and go like jog one mile and not timed. And most of the time you end up kind of getting after it. But I usually like, I keep my, I keep my mouth shut and focused on doing a nasal breathing and like, I'll count breaths.

It's kind of like, I use it as like a breath work meditation as much as anything. I do that once or twice a week. And, and, uh, but that, that's really, that's really it. It's really not, not much, you know? Yeah. With that, like I'm doing pretty good. It's funny. Like I'm actually getting like PRs and not strength stuff, but in workout wise, I'm like

hitting PRs and stuff. Um, you know, I'm 36 and I work out three to four days a week at most. I'm totally with you that, um, the days a week at most. That's good. Totally with you. The running actually comes back, becomes fun. It's a lot of – I don't know why. Just go out there and think. It's like a good time to be able to just go clear your brain. I would not know.

I find the key is – What was that quote before the show? I'm not going to say it. My wife will give me, but yeah. I said cardiovascular is not that important is what I said. Yeah, I think a big part of it is not like not setting a clock, like not having expectations. Like I know like if I'm going, if it feels good, I'll probably go faster. Or if like, I don't,

I don't feel like it, like maybe it takes me 10 minutes. Like it just doesn't matter. You know, like the goal is just to go jog on the dirt next to the canal for, you know, something for 10 minutes or whatever. Yeah. It's like with, with cavity kilos. Cause I mean, I was, I've known you since you pretty much started the company. Cause I was with John, like how are things evolve? Like where,

where are you guys now? I'm just curious. Yeah, for sure. So actually over last year we have, it was a big year. We grew like 30% last year and this year we're up a year, then year over year we're up 50% so far this year over, over last year. I'm in a big, the big change for us has been like subscriptions, coffee subscriptions. Like we do a coffee of the month.

And so people just love it because every month you get a new blend. And so like you want to know what the new one tastes like. You want to try something different and all that. And so people have just really, like that's really resonated with people. And that's been just a huge shift. It's like you just keep getting that recurring revenue and people,

they feel like they're a part of it, you know? And, and that's been, that's been really good for us. It's been great. Wow. How have things changed since you first started? Oh God. Well, when I, when we first started, I was still competing and weightlifting. Right. So I, I was, my dad just shows up in the middle of the podcast i thought he was gonna start doing some pull-ups behind you there that old man just doing anything to try and get on a microphone yeah yes i was still uh trained competing for cow strength uh competing and

weightlifting you know at the national level at that time and then uh i had just had my first kid right just had a baby like right when we started um and so you're still teaching too i was still teach i was teaching pe at the time you're busy and so then i uh quit teaching had another kid business got busier kind of blew up you know around that same time i stopped competing a full time i've done a few meets since then just kind of for fun uh morning anything um so that's yeah didn't you compete last year 2009 like uh i guess it wasn't last year everybody was in their house last year but yeah 19 yeah we had so a friend of mine does all these master's meets and i always like didn't think i was going to do any master's meets um i was like just didn't really have the desire to yeah when I was still competing anyway so then he's like hey it's in San Diego

you're so close and I tried to explain to him that in California like San Diego's like 10 hours away right uh but it's a quick Southwest flight it's like hey just just pop down there and do the meet you know it'll be fun to do and it was master world cup. And so I kind of felt like I had some unfinished business. Like I had these goals in weightlifting and the only one I didn't accomplish. So I wanted to medal at a national meet. I'm like, I got fifth, I got seventh, you know, like all these, but I never medaled. And so I had this little bit of a monkey on my back. So I said, okay, fuck it. Like I'll go do the master's world cup and that can count uh for my medal whatever so i just trained a couple weeks did a local meet and then like there's like another

eight or twelve weeks and i went down to san diego and did the master's world cup and and that was you know i ended up winning that so that was a lot of fun nice yeah but it's while during the meet i had a great time i'm like oh this is great like i remember because i've done 28 weightlifting meets or something right i'm like'm like, Oh, that's great. I remember this is so much fun. And, uh, but for the, whatever it was, 16 or 20 weeks training for it leading up to it, I was fucking miserable almost every day. I was just like not one out of 10 sessions in training. I'm like, this is fun. The other nine out of 10. I'm like, I'm not. Yeah. How long was the peak cycle that you got on to go? Like 20 weeks.

So I think I did eight weeks. Yeah, eight weeks at a local meet and then 12 weeks and then did the massive World Cup. There's like a big volume stage to start that out. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you go from work like doing the CrossFit class at my gym two to three days a week to then like training for a weightlifting meet after not doing it for years and and uh you know there's a mental thing too where like everything feels so heavy you know like you're you know the only way to

keep your squats up is a squat heavy and I don't really like I squat heavy once every couple of weeks. How, yeah. How hard is it mentally to go back into like that, that aggressive training cycle? Well, I, it wasn't that big of, okay. So it was hard as far as deciding to do it, but I knew once I committed to it, it's no question. And that's, that's why I don't do local meets for fun or do whatever now. Um, if I'm training for something like I will not miss, like I will not miss a training session. I will not skip a single rep in training, like whatever it takes. If I do, I'm going to, I already get up early. If that means I'm doing front squats at 5.00 AM. Um,

or if I have to do squats or the, day session in my garage after i put my kids to bed at eight o'clock at night then i do it you know and i'm just not at a point in my life where i want to uh be in my garage at 5 a.m doing double bottom i don't even want to be in there and do like a 20 minute row just to get something in right you think you'll do one again you think you'll ever like i don't know like maybe maybe i don't know i don't really again that's the same idea right like that but also work i have a lot going on and with the kids and everything they have going i'm not going to sacrifice like the things with my kids right and i can't yeah dude will you be our first sponsored athlete that means you'll have to compete but you'll be our first sponsored athlete? That means you'll have to compete, but you'll be the first sponsored athlete. Maybe I can take another run.

So how do you do it all, Danny? How do you run a business that's growing, you said, 50%? And I've known it. It was already huge. So you get this monster of a company growing and you're competing, and you're still training. Say that competing aside, you're still training three or four days a week how do you do all this and then you mentioned your children like like everyone always run also what the oh yeah you still have that beautiful gym

by the way his gym is sick it's about um we find people to help right like people want to help so yeah and it's like for the gym honestly i don't I don't really do much day to day in the gym. Like we have that, that, that business is in a great spot. Everyone's kind of there. It, it, they're in a good, good position. So I, so I coached the gym profit. Oh yeah, for sure. Oh yeah. We've always been profitable. Yeah. So you should go into teaching people how to run gyms now then that's good too next business plan good um we we do a great job uh and so they that's that's good because people kind of take care of that i coach a couple classes a week because i love doing it like that's one of the things i'm really best at is uh like i was i taught pe for eight years like

i have a master's in education like that's my shit like i can put me in front of a group of people and I can teach him how to whatever, use a yo-yo. Like it doesn't matter. Like that's like what I'm really good at. So I do that a couple of days a week because I just love it. I enjoy it. But then outside of that,

I have like two, two or three meetings. So overall the gym takes maybe five hours a week of my time at most. And some weeks less. What about your family? How many kids do you have and what are their ages? Two kids. They're just turned eight and just turned four.

And so how that kind of works is I have some things. It's all about like systems and stuff, right? So I have some things in place. Like I get home. I'm home for dinner at five every every day and so then what i do is when i get home is i take my phone and i go and i put in the other room and then i don't look at it again until the kids are in bed which is like 7 30 8 o'clock so like i put my phone away for now am i do i do i do i do this seven days a week and i'm not like perfect at it no

but honestly i'd say at least four like four days a week i'm really diligent about this um and so i put it in the other room don't look at it for two two and a half hours three hours every night um so you get that time with the the family then um every time i do that i feel like at the end of that block of time, if I'm actually paying attention to my inner experience, I go, oh, wow, I feel like a little lighter. I feel like I'm not quite as stressed out. I actually forgot about all the things that I need to do and the people that are trying to get a hold of me and everything else. It's always a relief. Shrug family, we're going to take a very short break because I want you to get over to

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Let's get back to the show. That's why I started doing it. I i was talking my business coach about it and i was like man like i feel like when i'm spending time with my family i feel guilty for like not doing things for work and then when i'm like doing things then if i do things for work because i'm sure we've all had this experience is like you're you know it's like whatever last half hour before the kids are in bed and whatever you're just kind of on your phone. They're doing their thing, whatever. And they go to bed and then like, I'm sitting here and I look at my phone and I like, don't really have anything to do.

And I'm like, man, I kind of wish I could play with my kids now, but they're in bed. And then I'm like, God, I'm such a dumb ass for the last hour. I could have been spending time with them,

but I've been ignoring them on my phone and now they're not an option. And it's like, and then you feel like a real piece of shit. I do the same thing, man. I think we all probably do to some extent, just like that. So my, my business coach actually gave me the idea. He's like, you gotta do like a phone bed. Like you get home and you're like, all right, my phone's going to bed. And you take, you know, your daughter to like make her,

cause she'll like hold your feet to the fire on this make sure you do it and you go and put it the other room like put it to bed and then you know after again then after they go to bed you get it out but it's funny you go to get it you're like oh let's see all this shit i missed and you look and it's like nothing it's like bullshit like nothing you really need to respond to and like oh i really didn't miss anything no right but if i had it on me there's no question i'd be looking at it every 15 20 minutes to see to make sure i'm missing nothing it's evil and it's great yeah changed all of our lives but it's also like made certain things harder yeah dude how hard has it been another oh go ahead sorry another key is i get up i get up early

every day and i know this isn't for everybody but like i wake up at 4 30 and then i work from 5 to 7 a.m uh before the kids are up and it's like during that two hours i'm with you dude i get more done in a two-hour block than i do the rest of the day totally and so that's huge like just those two hours i move forward any major things I'm trying to get done pretty much for the whole day. And then that way, when the kids are up at seven, I don't feel overwhelmed. So I feel like I got some major steps done that day already. I can help get them ready for school, go drop them off at school,

and then I'll do whatever I need to do for that day. So. What time do you go to bed? Nine 30. Savage. Dude, so what time do you go to bed 9 30 savage yeah um dude i'm super interested in like the brand of caffeine and kilos and how you've handled that kind of progressive you guys are like a it's like a decade now isn't it 2013 so it's been almost eight years eight years yeah eight years but in that time you've had, you're not training as hard. That business partner changed.

Yeah. In those early days, we were all competing. Everything was hardcore. And now you're on the other side of that. How hard is it to maintain that brand consistency and staying really true to who you are and the company all at the same time in that timeline? Well, honestly, I don't think it's a big deal because we, we still are. I still like weight. I still like coffee. Like we are our market, right? Like that's the whole thing. Like it was never like trying to push something onto people. Like we've always just done shit. We like, you know, and, and, uh, if you are actually, you know, it's like founder market fit is like, well, you know,

like the term for it, if you like business stuff, but it's like, well, that's exactly it. Like me and my business partner, Dean, like still like we're still work out. We, it's actually, we're probably more like our customer base now than we were before, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Like I still, still like lifting weights, still like working out, still like pushing.

I still, our whole goal is to promote a healthy, active lifestyle. Right. And we do that through like high quality, uh, high quality products, you know, that people are proud to use, you know, and makes them think about fitness and think about working out. And, and, you know, it's like with all our apparel all along, the goal has been that a lot of people make apparel that maybe you'd wear to the gym or you like in the gym but you wouldn't wear anywhere else like you wouldn't want to wear it to your niece's birthday party or or whatever to lunch or whatever um so it's like we always want to make stuff that you can wear in the gym or you could wear it to wherever you can just wear it going out to lunch or out to dinner or to your happening. Every time, dude, we were walking through the airport in Copenhagen

when we were out at Aleko and this dude had a barbell shrug shirt on and I've never been so stoked. And the other day I was standing in line

at Costco and a guy had a caffeine and kilos shirt on but he was at like the front of the line. He was like an hour in front of me

and I wanted to go run up to him and be like, I know that guy. Me and you should hang out like we would be friends and let me in front of you yeah and can i check out i'll pay for some of your groceries that'd be cool you know you got something in common i know right is it is your market still the same is it still for sure is it still like what would you consider weightlifting crossfit weightlifting crossfit powerlifting is like that's what we really um focus on you know i'm worthy if we have a sponsorship with usa weightlifting we're the official coffee of usa

weightlifting it's that relationship and that relationship started early it's actually kind of funny how it started it was like 2014 like we barely just started and they sent out an email is actually to members of usa weightlifting and usa weightlifting was a lot smaller than two like they're like just they had this big like they're in the beginning stage of this growth cycle and they didn't know what to do and it was a mess anyway they're like hey we need new platforms for the warm-up area but that shit's expensive um so if you just donate like five hundred dollars then uh we'll put a plaque on it and the idea was for like members to buy one you know commemorate their coach on it or something like that right and so i just sent an email and i said hey like how many have you sold

how many got left like how's this going you know because i knew they were trying to do like whatever 10 of them or 20 or something and i was like actually uh none like we've got zero response and i was like oh that sucks like uh can i just buy them all no we just buy them all you know like it'll be a nice thing to do like i know what they're for like they're for and so that was and she's like oh that'd be great and so we just the plaques all they said was like uh caffeine kilos proud sponsor usa weightlifting and that was it it's like and we just did that and so the the thing that we liked about it is it wasn't just like giving money specifically to usa weightlifting but it was something like that the lifters would you know benefit like the brand new warm-up platforms in the back room will be all the national needs

and it's something that yeah benefits the lifters directly you know totally that was a big part of when we early on that's how we kind of started our sponsorship usa weightlifting it was like when we very first started we kind of started doing that and then every year since then we've continued to do similar type of things and until more recently our sponsorship is just bigger so we do lots of things with it but um so that's been that's been good yeah what about usa i mean what is it usa pl usa powerlifting that's the thing about powerlifting is there's so many damn organizations like i mean like you don't support powerlifting what the hell do you even like where do you start you know the lifters right like that's really it um and that's the thing too is we you know we sponsor some athletes and weightlifting crossfit powerlifting um and we've been doing

that all along as well so but yeah i mean with powerlifting it's like i don't i mean you could say a usa pl would probably be the one to do i guess but like that's maybe just depends it depends on if you're which route you want, MASH, do you think you should sponsor that guy that just squatted 1,300? No, absolutely not. If you give him one dime, I will never buy another shirt from you or coffee. Wait, so just for the sake of conversation, how do you feel like that squat with that guy differs from our initial conversation of a 500 versus a 650 with the higher number having not quite

as good technique. Not quite. There's a big difference in that. We both squat. For the 500 versus 650, it was supposed to be a subtle difference in technique. The 1300 was a big quarter squat. It was a big quarter squat.

Did you see the video we're talking about? So the depth see that's a bigger issue yeah yeah because he took someone's record so like i know what it's like how hard it is to get a world record and then this dude is going to take my world record with that shit i would shoot him if someone had taken my record like that like i'm going to fight him i'm going to be like look i'm going to have to fight you so yeah because i worked whoever's record they took likely if they went over there and said okay i'll squat the same depth yeah they probably could get even higher i'll squat 2000 you know like where do we end like go below just unrack it yeah unrack it i win right i unracked it

like that's exactly where it's going to be in the 18 inchinch deadlift. That's bull crap. Oh, that's bull. 18-inch deadlift. What is that? Are you talking about the seated deadlift? Someone just said the seated deadlift world record. I saw that. So the 18-inch deadlift is like a real thing people compete in. I was actually down in Louisiana.

Is that just breaking the bar off the floor? So it starts on a rack. Oh. So it starts racked at 18 inches, I think. Oh. Oh, wow. Yeah. starts on a rack oh it starts racked at 18 inches i think oh yeah and so it was actually a hatch gail hatch was uh we went to like visit talk meet gail hatch and stuff and he's talking to us and i was like oh yeah that boy over there he's got the whatever he's gonna get the world record in the 18 inch deadlift like the what like i don't even know what that is yeah heavy rack but it was like over a

thousand pounds whatever i was like that's kind of weird but still impressive i can't yeah i mean yeah i've done quite a bit when it comes from racks but a guy just i just saw it on i want to say it was maybe it was barbend maybe not maybe yeah the seated one at over, it was like 1,300-pound deadlift or something like that, seated. I'm sitting in a chair. It's gnarly. Between your legs. I don't know if this is like a – I think it's fine to say. Okay, look, like if you're disabled and the seated deadlift is your only deadlift option,

hell yeah, that's what you should be doing. But like if your legs work, like let's get you off that bench. Yeah, because at some point you're doing sports-specific training. Like, you're training to sit in the chair and pick it up. Like, you have to do that. You have to practice the technique of that specific movement so much to get to 1,300 pounds that you spend a lot of time seated, picking up, like, pulling triples.

Some dude did 492. Did'all see that the 492 kilogram deadlift it was fast dude but it was all those straw men hits the hell out of it that aggravates me and they wear straps but you know well they're just so fucking have you have you have you guys sponsored anybody outside of usa weightlifting yeah so we have some crossfit athletes we've had some power lifters over the So we have some CrossFit athletes. We've had some power lifters over the years. We have, um, I guess that's, those are like our official, I meant more like just in the weightlifting, um, category, just some of the big names overseas. Oh no, not really. Like we've had some friends and stuff overseas. We've had people that wear

our, wear our stuff or that type of thing. but we haven't had any official relationships with people overseas or anything like that. Yeah. Dude, when you went back, what were the numbers that you hit when you meddled two years ago? Well, I snatched like dog shit. You still won. How dare you put yourself down like that at 37 years old, 36 years old. No, if I would have made all my lifts, I wouldn't say that. But like I missed a bunch of them.

So that was frustrating. Anyway, I snatched I think 115, something like that, 115 kilos. That's legit. That's all right. And then I cleaned – it should have been like north of 120. That's why it's like frustrating. Yeah. right and then i cleaning it should have been like north of 120 that's why it's like frustrating yeah but uh then um and not not even like to what i used to do just like what i was doing in training leading up to a no problem type of thing uh if you do something every day in training and then

you go to the meet you do five to seven kilos less that's frustrating that sucks true story and then clean and jerk i cleaned a jerk 153 i actually felt pretty good that was that was pretty good that's good dude what were your all-time best so all-time best i snatched 143 um that was that was in a meet damn that was at nationals winner i snatched 143 for pr and then yeah what year is that what year is that 2015 that's why i remember that i remember yeah i remember and that was yeah that was fun that was good and then the i think clean and jerk in competition i my best cleaning jerk was like 168 but i'd done i'd cleaned oh i cleaned 180 a few times i clean and jerked 176 and training a handful of times um but in in competition 168 was that 170 just always fucking eluded me man um i remember watching really good numbers was it a what is a vlog

that you put together when you were of like the weekend oh yeah that was one of my like just favorite like feeling like i was going back there with you. Like, oh, I'm back at a training hall. This is interesting. I guess I'm going to take some reps here. Well, we always talk about how it's funny. Like people don't really understand. Like if you're watching a weightlifting meet,

I guess not very many people would like watch weightlifting meets unless you're doing weightlifting. But like at national meets in the back room, it's total's total it's nuts right like it's really crazy it's and actually local meets sometimes it's worse to see a fewer platforms and it's like i don't know how anybody's ankles are intact after the bar is bouncing around and shit but um so you know just the whole idea of like behind the scenes of weightlifting meets if you don't know just like with the way the coach is counting attempts and then like when you take your warm ups and then sometimes you're up or you're not and weight changes like all that shit there's

a lot going on um so there's kind of like the idea of a little bit of that but then this most recent one was okay i hadn't trained for five years in weight lifting and now i'm going to do this meet um so kind of what's it what's it like it was like a last minute idea um and so actually what happened is a company announced they were going to do like a fitness film festival and i was like oh shit we should submit something so i called a buddy of mine who does videos i was like hey uh are you busy this weekend uh you want to go to san diego with me um and like film this and put together like a little mini documentary on what it's like. And so we actually called it, it's called like three hours a week because training leading up to it, like I said, I didn't miss a single rep, but I did three 90 minute sessions a week for those 20 weeks

leading up to it. Right. And so I'm like, all right, what's it like to compete on the world stage, the world cup, only training three hours a week. And why is that? It's like, well, I run two businesses. I have two young children, you know, all these different things. And so that was the, so he just basically spent the weekend with me and it was fun. None of it was staged. It was all totally real. That's why I really liked it. Felt like I was, I was the person doing it. Yes. We we we started the weekend with like that Saturday morning I actually booked my flight Saturday afternoon because my daughter had a soccer game right and so like he came to my house he like kind of got the kids ready go to my daughter's

soccer game um then leave straight from the game straight to the airport um barely almost missed the flight I was straight to the airport to fly down to San Diego and in the meantime I'm trying to get my weight down like um it was that as you know the weight class has changed and shit in the meantime so i'm like my cut and weight uh you know this whole time and then get down there and check my weight on the scale and the next morning getting up and like going to the training hall i'm getting loose and kind of doing my last session um and then like the day of um basically just a lot of me not eating and then going and competing and like the actual competition and how it goes and then just kind of the recap fly home and

you know I landed to the dad line on Sunday back Sunday night and Monday morning you know got home Sunday night so I could take my kids to school Monday morning basically right diesel dad there it is right yeah that's how much weight did you have to cut it wasn't a lot i mean it was more i did it over time over time a little bit but i mean the new weight class is uh 89 kilos um which because i was always 94 but i was actually i didn't really like being that heavy or i had to like purposely eat the right amount in order to stay lean at that weight and stuff you know yeah i'm gonna train a couple kilos heavy so 89 kilos um and i you know i walk around probably like 92 ish or so and so i don't know it was like six pounds but i so a couple days a couple or like a week before i kind of got down

to where i was like right around like 99 kilos that when i got down there was only a you know whatever two kilos or something a couple days or a day of not eating yeah so like eating less a week of actually less food or just less water that seems like a small enough number you could just mostly just eliminate water and still eat a little bit of food a little bit yeah but not like yeah like i think i had um honestly i don't remember but yeah pretty much no no water no is that what the weight class is now, 89? 89, yeah. Try and stay away from salty shit for a few days ahead of time,

and it's really not a big deal. Yeah, that's a perfect amount. You know, two, three kilos at that one is like perfect. I feel like you still perform really well when you do weight cuts. Have you ever done it where you didn't cut weight and you felt better or worse or the same? It doesn't matter. I think that, I mean, you could say like –

you could argue that I didn't snatch very well, but that had nothing to do with the bar feeling heavy because I also clean and jerked heavier or as much as I expected to. And so it's like the weight cut didn't really affect it because it would matter more at the heavier weights and it didn't. Yeah, normally a weight cut would be at the cleaners. My background was wrestling. In high school, wrestling wrestling was my best sport and i coached wrestling for years and then competed on what i said in 28 weightlifting meets or whatever i cut weights not

a not a big deal no yeah normally people cut weight and they'll do better than snatch you know they'll move faster and if it gets them at all it would be cleaning jerks so yeah look a couple weeks ago actually at the the american open how there's the hybrid event whatever and so i was at cal strength for that that's a little madison pernell yeah she's 49 kilos she almost didn't fucking make weight like she was like she was in the sauna doing jumping jacks um like before weighing in like she was but then she made the weight and then cleaning jerks an american record yeah you know so it's like i think people get are more in competition it's like straps like people train with straps like how does that affect you in the meet

it's like honestly because the adrenaline and shit like it just doesn't doesn't unless you have midget hands it doesn't one One thing that always got me is when, and it's just because I didn't compete that often in weightlifting, was like you get so focused on your line of sight, like when you're in your own gym, and then did it totally throw you for a loop being back on a platform where like people are looking back at you and you realize like it's impossible to prepare almost for a platform

where there's an audience and your entire line of sight changes that was like one of the things that threw me for a loop every time i walked out for the first snatch i remember my the first weightlifting meet that i traveled for um i remember it made a difference i remember i walked out there it's totally my in my own fault i like lost my uh concentration i walk out there and i knew it was live streamed i knew i had a bunch of like friends and family at home watching and i was like all right motherfucker here we go like everyone's watching you know and like i totally just like missed my smash you're thinking about all the wrong things like everything except for what I'm doing, you know?

But no, it didn't – this time it didn't bother me. Like I said, I've done so many weightlifting meets. I kind of know. So like after introductions, you know, you're on the platform. And so after introductions, I was kind of like, oh, all right, that's what I'm going to look at, right? I look at the back of the room on the wall behind everybody, and I kind of found like there's like a little like, you know, shit stain on the wall behind everybody and I kind of found like it was like a little like you know shit stain on the wall or whatever all right that's like that's what I'm staring at

um and so that was fine that wasn't a that wasn't a big deal one time um one time I remember it was the first American Open I did it was like whatever 2010 or 2011. And it was in Mobile, Alabama and it was in this conference center and the stage was huge. Wait, I thought that was the bowling alley one. Yeah, no, that was the skating rink. Skating rink!

Skatetown, USA. That was outside Cincinnati, Ohio. Is that 11? 12? If it wasn't 10 10 it had to have been like 12 or 13 because that john bombed out at that one yeah but so this the platform was like seven feet off the ground or six feet off the ground and so it wasn't like it's this little platform like you're way the fuck up there and i just remember and then it's this huge convention center and at this point the only people there are like the lifters or their mom, maybe.

And so you're just like in this giant room and you're staring out to nothing. It's like, I'd rather be ground level. I'll just stare at the center judge in the eyes. You know what I mean? That doesn't bother me. You know? But like looking out to emptiness would be like, I feel like I'm floating in space or something.

I have such a funny story about, you were talking about the craziness of being in the training hall at a national meet. And the first and the only time I coached at the American Open, we were in the A group with a girl that had never, that the only weightlifting meet she had done was qualifying for the American Open. And the only, my only athlete that I ever coached on the national level was her in that specific meet not a good place to be in I got handled by every coach I was obviously they weren't thinking about me at all it was like the new guy the new coach the new everything in the training hall and I'm at the a session and like jessica lucero's over there staring at a wall being like so intense we're like what is she

looking at over there like i don't get this let's just go have some fun and all of a sudden like four people in front of us jump down weight up like three kilos and they go paula santos you're on deck or whatever and i look back and she was still in sweatpants and i was like bad coaching yeah bad coaching this is scary i was like hey you gotta go you're you're up she was like now should i take the sweats off i don't think they'll let you lift with them on let's figure this thing out three lifts later and we bombed. What's that?

I love putting people back on the bar. It's like they're up and they think that they – so you steal their two-minute clock, right? Yeah. If you follow yourself, you have a two-minute, but if you don't, so you have to be right after them. So then once they make or miss the lift or whatever, then you're up, but you wait for them to call you, and then you change. Then you change. So it's straight back on the one-minute clock. Yeah, your clock has to start.

You got to make sure one second ticks. Right. Yeah, the last place you want to be as a coach and experienced in the A session because all coaches like me are going to. I got it. Is, I walked up to. Is that just one of many games that are played in that fashion? Like what are like the most common ones? Well, declaring lighter weights or different openers than bumping up is one.

Or just declaring, you can declare, or you take the automatic increase, declare the automatic increase, Then you get two changes, right? Like if you don't declare it, then you don't get your changes. And so that's one. Or you, yeah,

you, you declare at the right below somebody. So then if they're warming up differently and then you've knowing, you bump up. You're mostly just messing up people's timing with their warmups and maybe, maybe getting in their head a little bit. Or if you, if you think there, they might miss a lift, then you just, you declare the same weight as them. That's how you steal their clock, right? So then if they do miss it, then they say, okay,

now you're going to lift if it's, you know, if you're at a, and then you just, as soon as one second clicks off, you bump the weight you actually want. So that way they turn around and go straight. So they just missed the lift and now they're straight back on it it really works well with clean jerks is bad because if you miss a clean jerk you get put right back on it's a bad place to be in so that's what we that's what you do and then i've done this i've actually you know put had uh it was rabbit my lifter he doesn't lift anymore i had him put down 170 as an opener on clean jerks so everyone's like what the hell he's got so much strong and so and then i'd bump back down so it totally messed up everybody's counting and so they were i walked up to waxman i walked up to waxman immediately after the cleaning

jerks and i said if you put an online course together of how to coach a national weightlifting meet i'll buy it like right away i was, I'm your first customer because everything in here happened in the exact opposite manner of the friendly competition that happens at your gym to qualify for this event. FYI, Time to Compete is an e-book I wrote all about what we're talking about. Oh, really? Beautiful. Where were you?

Where were you in 2016? It's a beautiful book. Every new coach should read it. You really should. Or get wrecked by me when you come to him. So out of place and such an amateur. Shrug family, we're going to take a very short break because I want you to get over to DieselDadDiet.com.

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DieselDadDiet.com. Let's get back to the show. Coaches make – it's like so funny. Every meet I go to, the group of coaches will hang out, and then you watch the new ones. You're just like, oh, man, these poor rookies. I think that's a big benefit to lifting for an experienced coach or program. Someone who wants to lift sometimes, like the local person,

the person they've been, they kind of got them started. They want to stay with them. What's the benefit of going to a more experienced coach or whatever. Cause they think that maybe they think that the technique isn't there. It's good enough for this person knows what they're talking about. But it's like, these are the things it's like, yeah, until you get in a big meet and then having someone who knows they're doing makes a huge difference. Then it's like lifting for Cal strength.

There's a lot more than just lifting for Cal strength when they're running your cards at the meet when you're like Dave. And then you have like rob blackwell when your teammates is one of the best um like meat coaches there is and he's just like one of the guys on the team but he just gets it he understands the cards and knows how to fucking do it and it's just cutthroat you know well you also have to know the other lifters in your session. That was the biggest thing that I felt like would have, if I had just had a card that said like, this lifter is going to lift within three to five kilos of this amount of weight. Yeah.

I would have been a million times more prepared than knowing that like four people put in numbers that weren't even close to where they were going to open. This was the whole reason muscle driver brought me in as a coach. It's because Glenn and Don were not good at any of this. I think they were having trouble seeing

and stuff like that. They brought me in just for what we were saying. Because at meets, they would mess up so hard. I didn't even know that I had no clue that it was so cutthroat back there i mean i should know it's a bunch of bros lifting weights trying to find out who the strongest is it makes a lot of sense that they're trying to like win obviously totally different right like

a local meets local meets will have guys will like bump a kilo heavier than they planned on taking just to help you yeah i've had that situation i've like missed my first two snatches and then like bumped up a kilo like one guy was going to go heavier but he stayed where he was so that i could bump up so i'll get more time whatever like in local meets you have that type of thing you have people like not a way to help you yeah you guys you think of national me we're trying to make team USA we're trying to get stipends yeah there's so many things totally we were trying to have a lot of fun're trying to get Stuyvesant. There's so many things. Totally. We were trying to have a lot of fun at a national meet because she was from Brazil too.

She couldn't even go to nationals. She could only go to the American Open. This was like the big thing. We were so – you're like sort of starstruck. I remember walking in and I was like, who are we going to beat in here? I was like, let's go beat Jess. She was like, do you know how strong that girl is yeah i was like well we're in the session like let's go and by the and then she bombed and it was all my fault felt so bad oh man that would be bad we moved we moved this it's actually a really great story we we missed our flight because

we were eating food in salt lake or no and uh in wherever our connection is. Missed your flight. We missed the flight, sat in the airport for eight hours waiting for the next flight to get to Salt Lake City, and then bombed out. And I was just like, I have let you. I was like, can I just – I wanted to buy her plane ticket and just be like, I'm so sorry. You picked the wrong coach.

You didn't know, man. Yeah. Well, first, you know, people need to do their homework. Because powerlifting is super easy. You. Well, first, you know, people need to do their own work. Because powerlifting is super easy. You go to your first national powerlifting meet, it's super, super easy. Yeah. Literally, the guy can run it himself, you know.

Yeah. But weightlifting is like you definitely need a coach, a handler. You need like a pit crew there or else you're going to be you know, be at the mercy of coaches like me and Dave. Well, being on team, like pit crew, you said, right? It's like being on a team helps too. And then you have people to change their weights. Like you don't want to change your own weights and back. And like, they honestly,

you don't really want your coach changing their weights either. Cause they need to be paying attention to carbs, right? Like you really need. That was, that was actually you saying that. That was like the first thing I noticed was that Jess, because she was still lifting with Catalyst at the time, and she had like eight people on her platform, and I was still walking around trying to find someone to count. And I was like, does anybody want to help? Nope.

Me going out there, it wasn't like we didn't have like a full team we were like crossfitters that just wanted to go see what the big boys played like that happens every meet there's always some crossfitters always me look at that guy over there he's gonna screw it all up man i know when uh when dylan kubra was with me, the first time he beat Mikey Cohen, because we would battle and it would always be close, and I felt bad about it. No, I don't. I mean, this poor kid, like he goes out there and he passed out, and I put him right back on the spot.

Yeah, fuck him. Yeah, I know. And I jumped up so much because it was just the two of us. I jumped up so much there was no way out of it. So I was like, if I'm his, because he didn't just pass out. He passed out for a minute. For a split second

I'm like, they're going to take this kid to the hospital. He gets back up and his dad literally made him go back out there. Sure enough, he passed out again. I mean, I mean... Yeah. I mean, that's just... Run him back again.

Yeah, unfortunately, he's blacked out for five minutes. That was the last time. I don't think he's ever beaten Dylan since, but, like, poor kid. I mean... If he were my son, I would not put him back out there. Have any of you guys ever just, like, completely blacked out?

Doug, remember he said that. Oh, yeah, I would not put him back out there. Have any of you guys ever just completely blacked out? Doug, remember he said that. Oh, yeah, I have. Yeah. I feel like I still black out at least 25% of the time by taking out a heavy front squat. I just know it's coming now. Yeah. I did a strict press at 315, 143 kilos.

I did my strict press. I brought it down. I racked it, and i passed out like statue like literally woke up heads you only really you only really see the the gym fails video of people that it's like their first try where they go like head first into the dumbbells first time they pass yeah every other time you just you go all right people get out of the way i'm going down i've never i've never passed out on deadlift or a cleaning jerk like when people clean and then they stand there and they look kind of dazed and then you know they're just going to go flat back that's that's a nasty place to be i've never done that before but whenever whenever i'm doing a

one-on-one front squat i always know that like as i'm hitting the hole and trying to come out of it that things get a little shaky and if yeah well the tunnel starts coming in pretty good yeah yeah but i haven't gone completely out um in like a front squat or anything like that tunnel starts coming in pretty good. Yeah. But I haven't gone completely out in like a front squat or anything like that. It starts coming in. Or it's happened on cleans a lot. The funny thing about cleans is it's counterintuitive. Like what you need to do if that starts happening after standing up to clean is you got to jerk that thing. Right?

And like that, it sounds like a terrible idea. Throw it over your head. You're about to get out. But it totally works. As soon as it comes off, you wake up when you catch it. It kind of works, actually. Your blood flow continues. You're cutting off your carotid artery, man.

You've got to get it off your body. You've got to get it out of there. Have you ever seen the full stiff body fall back on the clean? We had a girl do that. It was actually the same girl. She did it. And I remember watching it go down and everybody, like nobody else saw that the lights went out and her start to go back.

And I was just like, everyone get out of the way. There is no saving this right now. Like you just move away and then they, and they're blacked out. So it's not like they're trying to catch themselves. There's nothing tense about it. If you're going to fall flat back, it's a relatively safe way to do it, being blacked out.

It's so funny. One of the scariest things I saw is someone blacked out, and they started falling forward. Oh, that's scary. Oh, my God, that's going to crush your windpipe. But then what happened was cali is as she's falling forward to a bar kind of comes off or she woke up when she was like seven eights the way to the ground and she's like ah and like put her hands out

that was like when donnie shankle and like that was like the old school cow strength days and ever just like oh yeah it was like the wildest things I've ever experienced. If you guys look up the 2012 94-kilogram senior nationals, you'll see Jared Fleming have the best pass out of all time. He cleans it. I remember that video. Yeah, he cleans it, and then he falls, like, onto his butt and literally passed out.

He's sitting there. He chalks up. He, like, rubs his hands together. Yeah. Then he falls to his butt and literally passed out he's sitting there he chalks up then he falls to his back and laying there he chalks up again it was the best thing ever i was laughing so hard it was like it was like late it's 11 o'clock and i'm laughing my wife gets out of the shower she's like what's so funny and i was like this video best danny have you have your kids taken any interest in weightlifting especially your eight year old i hope not no yeah it's a hard life but um so they don't like my eight-year-old she goes to the kids classes at my gym um just like crossfit kids classes and she loves it but she honestly she goes once a week we hold

them for her age twice a week she only goes once because she also she does gymnastics I'm not competitive like same thing like once a week she goes and both my girls started gymnastics and they were 18 months old and so but it's just for fun it's not the competitive crazy it's once a week you're out in there so they can do cartwheels and yeah and you know on a balance beam and shit like that just kind of good life skills and my goal at this age i want to expose them to as many sports i can't like you sign them up for rec league soccer sign them up for t-ball sign them up for does all that they just get exposure to all these uh the goal is to make them a better overall athlete and then when

they do eventually find something they want to do, she wants to. She actually – she's always asking to wrestle. And I haven't done it. I haven't because – Boys are wrestling now. It's the best. It's just I know that that would be the end of my Saturdays. Also, I know – Purely selfish.

It's different too. Like it's not like you can take her once a week. Like during the season, I'd be driving her out there like three or four days a week and then i also know what would happen is because i coached wrestling for 10 years i'd be watching and then like pretty soon i would be helping um yeah and then that would change our relationship right like there's a lot there's a lot with that and uh i'm not saying i never would i'm just uh i've been kind of pushing that off push that if if she's like say she's 10 when she gets to be 10 years old if she really wants to do it it's like asking to at that point yeah then i'll then i'll take her and stay with

weightlifting if she's like hey i really want to do i want to learn snatch and clean and jerk that'd be funny but it's like okay well let's let's do this in a you know measured appropriate way but um i'm not going to do anything like that until she's probably 10 or so. I'm trying not to. At what age did she clean and jerk body weight? My daughter? Yeah. Travis, you got one kid that cleaned and jerked body weight?

Yeah. He did it at six. Yeah. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Like, there's nothing wrong with kids lifting weights. That's, like, the biggest myth there is. Oh, yeah. Exercise and stuff.

We've had that conversation so many times. He'll put pads on them, have them run at each other as fast as they can. You know what I mean? But, God, don't let them put their hands on a barbell. That's dangerous. Wait until they're, like, 25. And they go, when was the first time you had double body weight deadlift you go when i was like four yeah my daughter is already dead two years old she's already dead that's the thing is is my kids okay so how i taught them

their colors was by using change plates right and so i lined them up you know they're like 18 months old like in that range and be all right, go get me the green one. And they carry over a little one kilo play and like, okay, go get me the blue one. And they carry over the two kilo plate. And, but for them it was a game. They loved it, you know? And so, but they were, they were picking up like the five kilo white one, you know, so it's like 11 pounds and they're, you know, between 18 months, two years old,

I kind of just started walking up that long ago and they were carrying around these plates or, and like, or I'd line up kettlebells and they're, you know, between 18 months, two years old, I kind of just started walking up that long ago and they're carrying around these plates or, and like, or I'd line up kettlebells and be like, okay, ready to go. And they'd go down the line, like pick them up progressively, like see which the heaviest one they could do is. Cause like, it's totally safe. Like this, this two year old is not going to blow her back out. Like she's just, it's just not going to come off the ground. Like that's it. Like that's like. That's how it's going to end. They actually move completely optimally. It's perfect.

Right on day one. They just put the butt down. They pick something up and their back's flat. They know how to breathe already. They don't sit in chairs yet. Yeah. Everything actually looks perfect when it happens from day one. Yeah.

Dude, can we talk about coffee? what do you want now i i want to know where where all i know that i consume it a lot but i know nothing about where you get it why the coffee that we're going to be uh giving out the diesel diet is the diesel coffee. How it has doubled the caffeine of everything else. I want to know what the back end of coffee is.

I love the PR blend just for record. Our first blend is still our most popular one. The diesel blend is fun because we have some coffees. Most of our coffees have a little extra caffeine, but nothing's added. It's just the types of beans, right? So there's, there's two main types of coffee beans.

There's a Rivica and Robusta and Robusta gets a bad rap because generally it's people use it when it's not good coffee. So for example, like if you think like hospital coffee or like you you know the kind of jerks right oh yeah or so okay so say you're gonna go get coffee and you're getting out of like this big vat and it looks really thin you're like oh man it's like stained water like super thin but then you drink it and you're like fucking wired after drinking it you're like what is going on like it seemed like it was this thin shitty yeah so what that's like a lot of times people use the robusta because it has twice the caffeine content as the arabica right yes so they'll do that but then they thin it out um and so they

don't have to use as much of it so like really cheap coffees that that's what they do so robust kind of gets a bad rap for that also the plants plants, the trees, the trees are a lot more hardy, right? So like the Eurebica trees only grow in certain temperatures and elevations and they're just, they're just, they're more fragile. Whereas the robusta trees are actually like a lot more hardy and stable and can grow at different climates and stuff like that. So I think that comes to part of it too why people think one is better you know because it's like more fragile or whatever but

the truth is like everything there's like varying degrees of quality within that right so some robustas are shitty then actually if you buy if you like spend a lot of money you get a really expensive robusta you can get actually a really good tasting robust like the flavor profiles may not be as extreme as like some arabica but that that also depends on how they process it and all that type of stuff right um we can get into that if you want to but so with the so if you get a really high quality robusta it tastes great and most people wouldn't even even coffee snobs like wouldn't even know or guess or whatever so we just have a lot more caffeine but it has higher caffeine content so we do so we blend in certain percentages of a really high quality robusta and that's how we get the higher

caffeine content oh so it's like a blend of the two so you use like some ribica and some robusta so if you use 50 50 blend then you're gonna have um like a 50 higher caffeine content than you would if it was just a hundred percent of the arabica right what did you go all in robusta so that's what the diesel is so we haven't done it before um but people like asked for it and early they want like oh what's the most caffeine you can like put in there like naturally without like adding anything i just just call it all our coffees are organic, ethically sourced, sustainable, all that shit. Right. So we're like, okay, well people keep asking for it. And so we,

we talked to our other guy who does our sourcing for us and our roasting. So he got this like really good, high quality Robusta. And I'm like, what do we even call this thing? Like it's got to call it diesel, like the diesel blend, you know? Yes know yes and the label's dope it's actually like the coolest label we've ever done we're actually gonna like make a um when does this come out i don't matter anyway like uh two wednesdays two okay so like two weeks after this comes out we're gonna come out with like a shirt and a hat that are actually the diesel label because we just love it so much it's like the skull holding a green a green gas pump that's shooting fire out of it it's like anyway it's super dope so uh so that's the deal so we

got them in we got the samples in we tried it we're like this is actually like pretty good like it tastes good it's not gross it's not weird it's actually good coffee you know um and it has twice the caffeine and so it's it won't make you weird or jittery because it's not cheap shitty fake coffee it's actually organic ethically sourced all that it just has higher caffeine it just makes oh is that what you're drinking yeah i got my i haven't put it on instagram yet but i got my my package yesterday yeah bash everybody that signs up for the diesel dad diet gets three months free of it you get three pounds of it oh you're right sign up just for that i won't right yeah yeah how much

caffeine is in that you think well so a standard cup of coffee has about um hundred milligrams or so caffeine right depending on how strong you brew it or how big your mug is right whatever us but so so it'll have like 200 milligrams of caffeine about double beautiful double i'm stoked yeah dude i'm really fired up when you when you hit me up about it was like this is like the perfect partnership of all time we got a bunch of dads that are just burn out on all the things not sleeping enough one we've got to fire them up with some coffee. Kids are exhausting. Kids are exhausting.

You guys never did – you didn't do like a pre-workout. Did you opt not to go that route? What we have is a – it's called Clearly Caffeine, and so that's all it is. It's just caffeine and natural flavors. And so we say it's like the caffeinated croix right like type of deal so it's just like it's just natural flavorings and caffeine is all that's in it so it tastes it actually tastes great like it's a watermelon

flavor is the one we have now but it's just it's 150 milligrams of caffeine in a scoop um so it's nothing crazy and so you notice like you take it like you feel good. Like here's a good way to explain it. Like, I'll drink it on the drive to the gym. Right. And then or so if I'm going from the warehouse to the gym, it's like 45 minutes. So I'll drink it on the drive and I don't feel jittery or weird or like nothing kind of whatever. But then I stop and I get out of my car and as i'm getting out i'm like man like i i'm like pumped up to work out like i feel good right but like if i drank pre-workout on the drive there i'd be 10 minutes out and i'd be like fucking tapping on the yeah you might share pants getting weird or i might shit myself you know

so yeah it's made alany made alany yeah creepy from the niacin all flushed so yeah so it's none of that it's just like it's just straight caffeine but it's uh but it tastes good so yeah it's like the pre-workout without the bullshit that's kind of awesome can you take it to the dome straight to the dome yes only when i'm with cory g yeah you know i gotta go straight to the dome with cory Can we talk about that? Can we talk about, yeah. How's that going? I know that now you're a partner with Max Effort Muscle.

How's that? Oh, that's great. And so I'm like a real minority ownership group. And kind of what happened there is with Max Effort Muscle, Corey G, the owner, he had a business partner. And basically there's an ownership change. One of the partners is getting out. So instead of just getting dumb money in to buy him out, he kind of talked to a different group of people. And I think there was eight or 10 of us

just kind of got ahold of some people he thought could actually help out, help the brand and have experience in e-commerce and are kind of in the market or influential and that type of stuff and kind of pull together a little ownership group. So that's, that's been a lot of fun because it's, you know, like I actually, I can contribute to it and help out.

Also, that's the kind of a more fun investment than just like writing a check and then hands off, you know, saying good luck. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

We all spend a lot of time talking about that. I'll tell you what, it's like a dude, it's like a course in business, just working with Corey. Like he is just so good and so squared away. And it's like, honestly, Stephanie kilos has benefited from me being part of this max effort more than I would, I ever imagined just from like watching him work and the way he does, like a peek behind the curtains of someone who has experienced growing a brand from nothing to, I mean, also farm in public, right? Like that was a huge copy. The other,

the other cool thing about him is he was doing it before the internet. He was doing it before the, yeah, exactly. That's like, that's like a way different hustle that he then probably looked at was like, Oh shit, you got this like information thing. That's like a way different hustle that he then probably looked at and was like, oh, shit. You got this information thing? I'm able to just go make a character online? Let's do this.

Yeah. He just outworks everybody. That's his thing. He's always doing something. Content marketing. That was MusclePharm, how they really grew back in the day. It was like they're selling on bodybuilding.com, and he was doing all this content for workouts and stuff like that so he's doing content marketing before that was like a term yeah you know and that was what really drove that um so yes that's been that's a lot of fun is working with him and seeing that thing go down beautiful dude where can people find you

and uh this has been a lot of fun man where Where can people get ahold of caffeine and kilos and yourself? Delicious coffee. Caffeineandkilos.com. Also we have at caffeine and kilos all spelled out on Instagram. And then if you want to get in, talk to me personally or anything, it's just on Instagram. It's Danny underscore Lear. That's L E H R. So anyway, yeah. If you have any questions or want anything, just hit me up. DM me.

I'd love to talk to anybody. Yeah. Coach Travis Bash. Mashley.com, or you can go to Mashley Performance on Instagram. Thanks for being on, man. That was awesome. Doug Larson. Great time.

You bet. I'm on Instagram. Doug Larson. Danny, good to see you, man. This was a really fun show. I feel like we had more good laughs and debates on this show than we've had in a while man I like

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