Barbell Shrugged - Deadlift 500 and Run a 5 Minute Mile in the Same Day w/ Hunter McIntyre  — Barbell Shrugged #347

Episode Date: October 17, 2018

Hunter Mcintyre is Pro Endurance Athlete, Broken Skull Champion, BoundlessTV co-Host, Obstacle Course Racing Champion, and a Macho Man. With his unique catchphrase, “biceps win races”, Hunter strikes a brilliant contrast to the “skinny minis”, each and every time he takes the podium.   Hunter, AKA ‘The Sheriff” loves to perform with the showmanship of a WWF wrestler. He is, however, an inveterate lover of all things, particularly life. At 27, he has already been a lumberjack in Montana, a party “enthusiast”, and male model. His wild and crazy charisma shines. Hunter, was born to entertain! His passion for life is built around creating each day to be better than the day before. Thriving on daily challenges, you can find him crafting and creating new experiences, from climbing the biggest mountain to setting the foundations of new friendships.   In this episode, we talk to Hunter about becoming a professional OCR athlete, training for to compete at the CrossFit Games, using psychedelics to set PR’s, dating life as a professional athlete, what's a yearly training schedule for a professional OCR athlete, why having 2 IPA’s is exactly how everyone should do a podcast, and more. Enjoy! - Doug and Anders ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Show notes at: http://www.shruggedcollective.com/bbs_mcintyre ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please support our partners! @organifi - www.organifi.com/shrugged to save 20% @thrivemarket - www.thrivemarket.com/shrugged for a free 30 days trial and $60 in free groceries @OMAX - www.tryomax.com/shrugged and get a box FREE with your first purchase @foursigmatic - www.foursigmatic.com/shrugged  to save 15% on your first purchase @vuori - www.vuoriclothing.com “SHRUGGED25” to save 25% storewide   ► Subscribe to Barbell Shrugged's Channel Here ► Subscribe to Shrugged Collective's Channel Here http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedSubscribe 📲 🎧 Listen to the audio version on the Apple Podcast App or Stitcher for Android Here- http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedApple http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedStitcher Shrugged Collective is a network of fitness, health and performance shows that help people achieve their physical and mental health goals.  Usually in the gym, but outside as well. In 2012 they posted their first Barbell Shrugged podcast and have been putting out weekly free videos and podcasts ever since. Along the way we've created successful online coaching programs including The Shrugged Strength Challenge, The Muscle Gain Challenge, FLIGHT, Barbell Shredded, and Barbell Bikini. We're also dedicated to helping affiliate gym owners grow their businesses and better serve their members by providing owners tools and resources like the Barbell Business Podcast. Find Shrugged Collective and their flagship show Barbell Shrugged here: SUBSCRIBE ON ITUNES ► http://bit.ly/ShruggedCollectiveiTunes WEBSITE ► https://www.ShruggedCollective.com INSTAGRAM ► https://instagram.com/shruggedcollective FACEBOOK ► https://facebook.com/barbellshruggedpodcast  

Sharks family, we're back. Hunter McIntyre. This show is super fun. We sat down in the middle of the dark at the Fit Aid booth at the Spartan World Championships. Hunter McIntyre, this guy deadlifted 505 pounds and ran a five minute mile in the same day. On top of being one of the best obstacle course racers in the world, the guy is really savage at CrossFit as well and I really hope that there's an outside chance that he is going to make it to the CrossFit Games. Whether he gets invited or wins one of these crazy new regional tournament things, events, I feel like he has a real place at the table for the fittest on earth but he

needs to learn how to snatch and clean the dirt a little bit better that's really the only thing holding him back because if it's engine and fitness as a test I think you have to put him in the category of some of the fittest on earth really enjoyed it we had a couple IPAs during this episode before going to hang out with the FitAid crew, which towards the end, you can tell those IPAs may have kicked in a little bit, which makes the show even more fun. But what a blast. Want to thank our sponsors for this show.

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at checkout get ready for the very first time Anders Varner's ever drank a sip of alcohol on barbell shrugged hang it out with Hunter McIntyre we'll see you guys at the break ready yeah welcome to barbell that's a way back guy. I'm Anders Warner. That's Doug Larson. Yeah, yeah.

Martin McIntyre in the house. In the hizzy. Spartan World Championships. We just totally creeped on the FitAid booth. There's no one even here. We couldn't even start the show. You have too many fans coming to talk to you. That's why we had to.

Why are you so popular? You're this good looking. It's tough. The intro of this had to just be, we had to talk over you because you got people coming up to you too much. This is your home. Do you naturally get better looking just because you live in Malibu? 100%.

You're the average of the five people you hang out with the most, and everyone in Malibu is just beautiful. I'm just telling you, dude, there's something about the water there, the sunshine. It's just a life. It just makes beautiful people. The first time I went to Malibu Mountain, I was like, Hunter McIntyre is kind of like Kato Kaelin. He's just in the back of OJ's house living in this beautiful guest pad. Hey. No murders, though.

No murders. Not that I know of or I'm willing to share. Yeah, I was like, how does Hunter live in this amazing place? Dude, it's interesting. It's this bubble. So you know the way Laird's house is situated. Most people's homes are up there in those hills or they're down there on the beach, and they have these homes, and they'll have a little side house because most of the year like he doesn't live there a

long time of the year you have to have somebody keep an eye on it because of fires protecting your gear like maybe you have some kind of like weird rare plants and shit in your yard so these people like it's it's expensive to have somebody come in and just constantly be a caretaker you usually allow somebody who's a bum like myself just to be like, hey. Perfect. At least you can trust me. I'll keep an eye on your shit. You come back.

And, you know, my place is 50 acres and it has 12 bedrooms and I live in a separate place. It's just a perfect situation. Perfect. It is. And it's like the greatest training ground in the world. I'm telling you right now, I get fitter. There's this hill that you know the driveway getting out of there, dude.

This thing is like hell on earth. But I'm telling you, I've done it. It had to have been thousands of times by now. And it's time under tension, baby. You know I'm ready. Well, you're also dragging. Last time it was like a bunch of weights that you just hung off a cliff to pull up. Yeah.

It's old school shit. You're basically like Rocky. Oh, yeah. It's real. I have a belt system at my house. There's yellow, orange, green, and brown right now. Yellow belts, you have to either ground a shoulder, a 215-pound stone, or a 315-pound stump.

With the girls, it's 135 and 200-pound stump. Orange belts is carrying a big sandbag 100 yards in under 30 seconds. And then green belt is 15 pull-ups of 50 pounds on your waist. Jesus. Brown belt is a thruster with this gigantic stone thing that I have. It's all odd object stuff. And I'm telling you, whenever we start drinking beer like this, you guys are over my house.

I'm like, fuck it. This is the beer show, by the way. This is. This is. And we just go out there and we just do odd over my house. I'm like, fuck it. This is the beer show, by the way. This is. This is. And we just go out there, and we just do odd object stuff. And it's been amazing, man. It makes me just ready for everything. That Broken Skull stuff, that's how I train for it.

Right on. Dude, for people that don't know who you are, because a big chunk of our audience is like super CrossFit. They're not OCR people. They may not know who you are. I'm in the Boss Fit. Who are you? No, they're going to know who Hunter McIntyre is. They're going to know.

They definitely should. You've been on the show before. That was years and years ago. Way, way back. I'm in the Boston. Who are you? No, they're going to know who Hunter McIntyre is. They definitely should. You've been on the show before. That was years and years ago. But give us like a brief background. This is the year they're going to all know. I'm just going to give an abbreviated answer. I'm the people's champ. No, I've been doing obstacle course racing for eight years now.

We are right now at the Spartan Race World Championships, which has been kind of like my battleground since 2013. And I've always been the biggest man in the playing field i always dubbed myself the heavyweight champ now if you looked at the athlete panel that just happened the men on there no one's over 5 foot 10 and everybody is under 100 160 pounds children children in the world you know they're children amongst men i'm 6 foot 2 and i'm 205 and I run up and down this mountain every single year, and I podiumed in the world championships and been top five for almost all the years.

But I've kind of been this guy who likes to run the line of powerlifting, crossfitting, and building this fucking brick shithouse that can also run, bike, and swim any distance you choose. And also the 50th fittest person in the world. 50th fittest person, baby. You made the list. I was the first. ESPN, right? Yes.

Look, I was the first person you saw on that list. Oh, yeah. I'm the coolest deadbeat you've ever met. I was like, oh, dude, he made it. How cool. That's a rad list. Your boy Cena was in that, too. You're in way better shape than Cena, I can promise you. Well, there's something different. But, Sam, you made it. How cool. That's a rad list. Your boy Cena was in that too. You're in way better shape than Cena, I can promise you.

Well, there's something different. But Sam, you can crush him. I'm telling you right now, my main goal in life is to be considered one of the fittest people who have ever lived. And so a couple days ago, just for fun, I decided to pull a 505-pound deadlift and run a five-minute mile back-to-back. So you dropped the deadlift, go straight into the run? No, no, no. I no i just did it i did it in the same day now i'm going to try to do both in under five minutes and okay so i'm just trying to find ways of expressing challenges and fitness

like like you know i'm i'm never going to be an olympic level runner and i'm never going to be an olympic level weightlifter right but there's this fine line where those x meets you know in the center and I just want to keep on raising the bar with that thing. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it's an interesting lifestyle. So if anybody understood that, I'm just a meathead who's trying to party.

Trying to make it legit. Have you ever considered going down the CrossFit road? I've considered it so many times, but I'm telling you right now, you have to have so much dedication of saying goodbye to this. This is the first year I've never raced Spartan Race World Championship since 2013, and I put all poker chips down getting strong, and everything is going up at a rate that is incredible. In the past four months, I've added 75 pounds to my deadlift,

45 pounds to my bench, and my squat, 85 pounds. Yeah. And you're looking bigger than every other time I've seen you. You're a beefy 100-pack entire. You still got veins in your neck. You still lean, but you're big. They call me Big Daddy. And with the Olympic lifts, that's where the problem is.

So you have to understand, like I'm sure you guys are very, very in the CrossFit world. Just because you can move the weight in a vertical plane or whatever plane of motion it might be, to dynamically move that and catch it is a totally different beast. It's its own thing. Yeah. I don't fucking get it. I'm driving myself nuts. It's looking better. Thank you.

It looks great, actually. Thank you. It's just the difference is it takes you five years. It's a golf swing. Yeah. It's the golf swing of weightlifting. Yeah. And it, fuck, I hate it. If I ever, if I'm playing golf with you guys, I'm letting you know right now, two swings into it, I'm over it. But if you can get

into a point where you can just survive a competition, you'll smash everybody and everything else. Well, here's the thing. Could you finish that Toast Bar workout in the opening like 12th in the world or something. I'm right now praying that this blowhard card is existing. So Greg Glassman supposedly is saying they're going to have a blowhard card, a wild card, however they want to put it,

where four athletes from other sports will be elected to move forward. I had not heard about this yet. You guys haven't heard about this? No, tell me. We had Armin on the other day, and Armin's supposed to be like the inside scoop on everything. He's basically been holding back, but from what I understand... He didn't even give us the good stuff.

I know. What a jerk. What I've been doing is I've been basically... I keep on logging into that information to see if this is true because, you know, I'll put it to you this way. At the CrossFit Games last year, there were a handful of events that I would have gotten kicked in the nuts. And I totally agree. I'm not that kind of athlete.

But if you look at the crit, the marathon run, there was like the one where they had to bike, run, and pull shit. They had an obstacle course. And they had the swim, paddle, run. That's five, six events where I'm telling you right now, I'm not trying to brag, but I fucking know what I can do in that realm. That's what I want to do. If it's expressing fitness, they should allow people in like this

just to see if there is somebody who can make it through the cracks on a few things and maybe put a dent in them there's like a thing with crossfit where it's like i'm the fittest in the world that is very specialized in moving a barbell yes yes like if they got rid of the barbell which they did in regionals basically made it a dumbbell thing but it's like the barbell is really really important but if they did the entire thing with a stone, you'd have a way better chance. True. And that's what I've specialized in for years. And here's the thing.

I keep on training for CrossFit because I'm obsessed with it. I do think it's an incredible way to live life on a lower-scaled version of it. And I also think it's an incredible way to express absolute domination of fitness. And I obsess over it i'm that fucking creep who looks at your instagram page at two in the morning when i can't sleep and uh it's it's weird but it's made me who i am today and i'm very very proud to say that i'm a crossfit stalker and i'm gonna keep on you talk shit really well we need to just clip out just those last few sentences for instagram. It's all right.

A lot of context. That just sounds really creepy. It's all right. But, you know, the trash talking thing is also probably my pride and joy of living life in sport, because I think a lot of people, if you looked at that panel up there, it might as well have been like watching paint dry or grass grow. I think a lot of very, very high-level athletes live in a box, like in a box where they're so confined to their understanding of expressing professionalism in their sport,

they don't really like to express themselves otherwise. Where I'm the kind of person who will fucking poke, prod, put you under a magnifying glass, have a loudspeaker to my mouth, and I will get you to turn belly up by the end of our competition by ripping you to pieces. Like when I run races against these guys, I'm talking trash while I'm climbing. I was just about to ask about that. Yeah. You're talking shit the whole way.

You're running five minute miles and talking shit the whole time. I'm like, your calves are looking tiny, dude. I'd be embarrassed to wear pants. Like I would wear pants all the time if I were you. And I do that kind of stuff. You are not filling those gaps. That's straight out of the Arnold Schwarzenegger playbook. But it's the truth, dude.

You've got to understand that it's another expression of dominating your competition. And the only other sport that I think I prescribe to the WWE, which is the most crazy version, and it would be a dream job. You made it. I got accepted into the thing, but I have to say that... It's a WWE? Yeah. No way. I didn't know that. I'd probably get in trouble for saying that, but who gives a damn? They can come after

me. Send your lawyers. I hope they have other things to do. I hope they do, too. Look, it's a dream come true, but I'll admit I'm not ready to sacrifice all of this. I met up with Canyon, who's the guy who is the head of recruitment here, right at that table over there last year. And he was like, he's like, I can see you're really,

really good at what you do. He's like, you should probably stick to this, but you have a job if you want it. And he proved a good point. He's like, you know, go fucking finish what you're doing right now, and then, you know, maybe the phone call is still there when you're done with it. Well, you could be an athlete your whole life and still, like, you're not going anywhere. Yeah.

You're going to be in shape. You take great care of your body. Yeah. You could say goodbye to this whenever you'd like and start the new thing. Yeah. So if you think about it, then it goes down to UFC. UFC is starting to get really good at trash talk. You've got the McGregors.

You've got the T.E.S. You've got, again, all these battles that are internal right there. Yeah. And then you go down into CrossFit and, like, you know, OCR, which are these other, like, kind of fringe sports. And I'm hoping that I'm going to bring that little fire. Is CrossFit sad at talking shit? It is sad at talking shit.

There's too much of a community component to it. They're all friendly. They don't talk shit at CrossFit. When you see everybody, like, holding hands and high-fiving each other while they're doing clean and jerks. Is there anything more embarrassing than, like, you finish the workout, like, three minutes after, like, whoever it is, and they all come back and, like, oh, yeah, great job.

Let's clap. Oh, my God, that happened to me once in a competition. I was like, all of you, shut the fuck up. Go away from me. This is terrible. I'm like, your girlfriend's watching, and she's ashamed of you. We don't want the community. We want Hunter McIntyre talking crap to people.

Damn right, dude. Like the Conor McGregors of the world, they put on a show for the public. They hype the fight. They talk shit during the press conferences and all the media stuff. But he doesn't actually talk shit during the fights. Some people talk shit during the fights. If the guy's moving away, they're like, where the fuck are you going? Why are you running away?

If they're on top, they're like, it only gets worse from here. They're fucking punching him in the face and they're like, quit now. I like to see stuff like that. It's putting on a show. You've got to have your heart in it. I think that's the one thing I've been telling people and I've learned more as I've got into sport is you have to have passion.

The other day I was talking to my friends. We climbed up a huge ugly mountain like this. I asked my friends near the top, I was like, what's the meaning of life? And some of them were like happiness, love, things like that. And I said passion. I was like, if you're not passionate about any of those things, then there's no – I think about it like when I plug into the wall, I need one of these fucking huge plugs with prongs this big, and they all stick in, and it blasts this huge light out there because I need to shine a light of just a thousand suns on top of what I'm doing

because that's how passionate I am about it. And if you have anything less than that degree, then you're never going to truly see your dreams through. Yeah. Yeah. Have you always been like that? Where's that passion come from? Oh, well, you know what?

It started, I'll never forget, where we would all end up at the top of this hill, at the top of this hill in our neighborhood, and we'd try to ride bikes down it faster than everybody else. Totally. And I don't know why that meant something to me, but I'll never forget. I begged my mom. I was like, Mom, I need a better bike so I can beat these kids. I was like, let me tell you.

Mom, please, Mom. I need better aerodynamics. The tubing's all wrong. The frame's not struggling. I need better aerodynamics. The tubing's all wrong. The frame's not struggling right. I need more power. Yeah. And from that point on, like, it went into paintball where we all started to, like, come together and we started to get better guns.

And I wanted to dominate people there. And I didn't. I love paintball. I haven't been paintballing forever. I still have paintball guns in my house to this day. Like, every single weekend that I can get the boys together, I'm like. We're going to Malibu. Let's shoot each other in the dicks.

Malibu is a phenomenal spot for get up in those hills. That's a phenomenal place for some paintball action. It's perfect. Is this guy going to try to bench 1,000 pounds or does that not really exist? He's 1,000 pounds. Is that a fake 1,000 pounds? I don't think he can do 1,000. Will you guys say that,

has this podcast introduced you and helped you guys get fitter, or does it make you guys more confused about the understanding of fitness? Well, the answer is yes. For sure. I can totally – I think that – I'm confused for you guys. Yo, I think that – that's a really fucking cool question because I think that all that really matters is that you show up every day and do something for your body. 100%.

It doesn't matter what. Just something. Even if you just go and meditate or have a breathing practice, you're probably going to be better. But you guys are basically sitting. Like just laying on the ground. Doing something where you think about health. But you guys are introduced to the best athletes or the best specialists they don't know anything so like they're just being told to do

you're hanging out with an olympic lifter as a gold medalist you're hanging out like dr like you know ronda patrick who might be a nutritionist specialist you're hanging out with somebody like laird hamilton who serves 100 foot waves and understands how to breathe underwater for like 10 minutes yeah you're hanging out with people that are so much near the, basically in the stratosphere that we can't even understand their dominance. I would never know. Like, I would be so excited to talk to these people and then, like, basically obsess over it.

Like, I would never know which way to go when I wake up in the morning. How far, like, you, you're inside the top quarter percent. Everyone that we talk to is inside the top quarter percent. Everyone that we talk to is inside the top quarter percent. But the base level that's going to help probably 99% of the people that are, like even the people here, it's like pick something up heavy, move well, do it frequently. Try and find a way, like the greatest, we made the joke a couple months ago, it was like, the greatest book ever written,

find a friend that you like hanging out with and do something with them. Oh, that's it. That's pretty brilliant. Have fun. Go fucking figure out a way to consistently go do something. What are your guys' favorite ways of expressing fitness? Do you still do boxing and MMA stuff? Yeah, that's easily my favorite stuff to do is boxing, MMA, specifically MMA

because it's kind of like the CrossFit of martial arts. And I was always one of those people where I was never like the number one at anything, but I was always number two. Like I was number two, number three. Like I could always do really well at a variety of things. And so like CrossFit was great for me. MMA was great for me. I need that variety because I have a variety of things. And so, like, CrossFit was great for me. MMA was great for me. I need that variety because I have a lot of interest in many different things,

but I'm not necessarily the fastest or necessarily the strongest. So what's your go-to, though? When you wake up in the morning, you've got, like, 30 minutes, and then your wife and everybody else is going to be on top of you. What do you do? Let her get on top of me? No, no, no. Hey.

Come on now. Come on now. Come on now. now i'm a pervert she's my wife i'm just kidding you are i'm also a pervert those are two separate things though do you still live in that farm in the middle of nowhere no no the house you came to we did a show and last time that place was fucking dope i loved that place uh it was just too far away it was it was too far away from everybody else it was like 30 minutes off the coast and and it was a pain in the ass but that house was fucking awesome maybe maybe i'm crazy but i'm telling you right now the thing that i'm starting to appreciate the most in life right now is simplicity if i could wear the same pair of shorts yeah uh you know same t-shirt every single

day and figure out how to make 20 last a week and drink out of like uh like that water bottle at all times that's the only cup I use. As embarrassing as that is, I have a cup in my life. And have a pull-up bar, and the pull-up bar is my only version of fitness, and be in the middle of fucking nowhere, and then come out here and just be explosive in front of these people when it's time. Isn't that what happens when you become somewhat, I don't know if we're all considered successful,

but since we have a microphone, we look like it some level of success level of success could be better could be worse all your you you think that as you become successful you're going to want more things and then you get there and you're like i want to get rid of all of this clutter and just do that thing that i'm good at yeah and that's what you're saying i want space so badly being in socal is like where are you uh pacific beach oh dude that's fucking crazy yeah i mean i'd come over to spend the night just so i controlled you you couldn't don't let him i'd be cat he's giving you a sly smile like you're you're in the hills of malibu so it's it's isolated. It's in, so it's hard to get up there. But, like, dude, I view SoCal so much of, like, just, like, the five is like a war zone.

Yeah, it is. Like, you get out there, and it's just fucking chaos. Angry people driving fucking cars at 80 miles an hour with no regard for anything. Every time I leave Malibu, it's like, I have things to do today. Don't hit me. Don't hit me. Don't hit me. It's like a scene from the Terminator

with robots. Don't kill me. I just want to go hang out with a hunter in Malibu. To answer your question, weightlifting, Olympic weightlifting, and jiu-jitsu.

Those are the two. That's your piece of mind? Those are the two for me by far. What about you? What was the question again? If you, like, what is your go-to? So between the three of us, I bet you we probably have around 50 years of fitness under our belts, if not more.

13, 14. So I actually recently have had, so if I could do anything now, it would be a really awesome trail run in the desert on like a 100 degree day. Really? Yeah, like I've gotten really, really into trail running and it's something that I, probably 18 months and now man, I'll just, yeah, I

like really dig it. I'll take a little hit of the magic weed, the recreational marijuana. Not regular weed. The recreational magic weed, the recreational marijuana. Not regular weed. The recreational magic weed. And just go out into the desert and roll. And it's the only – going to lift weights now, unless I'm, like, with somebody, is no longer a place that I'm, like, very present.

Like, I can be. But it's also, like, it's so simple. And I've done it so many times. It's like, okay, I'm going to do some rows for my back. We've got to do pull-ups. We've got to squat. We've got to hinge. We've got to do that.

But every day you go trail run, it's different. There's like rocks. There's different ways to go about it. Even if you're running the same trail, there's like something you're learning. If you – one of the main reasons I really like it is I'll notice that if my brain goes off and I'm thinking about problems at work or at home or wherever the hell there's other things going on, I will kick a rock and eat shit. So I have to be 100% present to where I'm at or I will bust my face.

I appreciate that. Do you listen to music? I've stopped. Good for you. Yeah. It's like I'm out there. and it feels like I'm out there, and I think that there's a piece to that where it's like I can't – no one can bother me right now. You know what I do is I go down into the gully behind my house.

It's this fucked-up gully. I made trails down there, and you get into this riverbed because when it rains in California, it has no way of actually absorbing it because there's no plants really there. So it creates these super, like, super trenches of, like, water where it goes down. It creates epic waterfalls and stuff after it rains for, like, two hours. And I go down in these wash beds with no cell phone service, no music or anything like that.

And I know you guys met him, Paul Cech. Yeah. Like, I'll just dig holes and pick up rocks and do fucked up shit. Cech's crazy. Or I just go out there with my machete, like, just with my shirt off, like a gorilla, like a half-naked gorilla, just chopping shit down. And that's my peaceful place. But I've really gotten into this idea of this actually has happened on the trail

and thinking about going to do this because I've never done one of these Spartan things before, and we're about to go do, like, the most gnarly one. Are you going to do this because i've never done one of these spartan things before and we're about to go do like the most gnarly are you gonna do it tomorrow yeah we're doing it holy but so this is like kind of over the last couple months like knowing that i have to do this and i'm not really like training for it but this this idea of like the sportsman it's like you could just go like play, like, physical fitness should just be play. And the more I can do with my friends, the more fun it is. But also, like, I just want to go out. And, like, if you want to go play indoor soccer, Brad, let's go.

You want to go play hockey? Okay, cool. And the idea that I've trained or I've been athletic long enough that I'm probably going to be better than most people just because you're fit. I that i love how you came full circle at like 35 years old we're like you know what the answer playing with my friends yeah ah i knew the answer when i was like seven yeah but but that's there's something to now where i'm like oh wow i've been doing this so long and everyone else may have fallen off like i'm actually like probably in the top like like there you can be very good at a lot of things at 35 years old because so many people just fall off, and everyone kind of equalizes later in life.

And now I'm the bigger, stronger, faster person because I've trained for 22 years or 21 years, whatever it is, and everyone else is just not that healthy anymore. Well, what I realized was when I was younger, I did all these crazy things. I would climb up, like, 100-foot tall trees, pick shit up, dig holes constantly. I think the reason why I'm just a little bit fitter than everybody else is because I never stopped doing it. Yeah.

Like, when I went to college, I never did any schoolwork in high school. Like, I would just, like, skip it all, go skateboard, paintball, run in the woods. I had terrible grades. I was just a mess. Yeah. And then I went to college. I basically didn't do anything either. Like, I just hung out and ran and skateboarded and lifted weights and wrestled.

I never had this period where I disconnected. And, like, it's basically, like, it's basically the way, like, algae grows on a rock is the way that fat grows on a person. If you just sit there forever, the world is going to just kind of collect itself on you, and you're going to get ugly and fat and nasty, and you're going to get more stagnant the more that you stay there. Yeah. And it's a beautiful thing where I'm starting to figure out as long as I keep on moving. One thing I recognize to keep my friends motivated to keep on working out with me is I bought spike ball horseshoes

all these kind of things so that the fitness never really stops like we lift then we chill we eat a protein shake then we play spike ball then we chill then we go run up to the top of my mountain and go jump in the pool then we chill and then we'll do something else like we'll like shoot paintball guns and that's like a six hour day here's caught that's, like, a six-hour day. You're just caught. But how many days a week do you do that? Every day.

That's the thing to me. And that's also a real thing to me. This is the first time in my life I've adamantly trained seven days a week. There are no longer rest days. There's no longer, like, a program. It's like, no no every day i have to commit to doing this for the rest of my life and it has to be something like uh fucking drinking beers and talking about but i'm not going today have you guys met wim hof um i have not met wim

he is he has expressed interest in coming on the show but we haven't made it happen yet so physically fit like what did he do? He did all of it. That's the thing. He never stopped. Okay, that's what I'm trying to understand. I was like, that guy must be in the same mentality that I've got right now because he seems older, but he seems like he has the essence of a young person. Yeah.

And he's rocking it. Yeah. I'm jealous. But he's got 40. All you've got to do is keep going. I feel like he has, like, 50 girlfriends, too. That's how much I'm jealous. That's where got 40. All you got to do is keep going. I feel like he has like 50 girlfriends, too. That's how muscle jealousy. That's where muscle jealousy lies right there.

He's like in an ice bath. He breathes well. I'm jealous. He has 50 girlfriends. I'm actually jealous of that. Well, I wouldn't go from an ice bath to an 18-year-old. Oh, whim. Get after it, buddy.

Teaching them breathing exercises. Yeah. He's kind of like Charles Manson, but has a more positive message. Yeah. It's easy to have a more positive message, for the record. Is it? Yeah. Anything is more positive than whatever Charles Manson was preaching.

I don't know. I'm not trying to say that. I'm skeptical about what you just said. Well, my only thought behind it is, is, like, I think people, the other thing I've started realizing, this is harped on way too much, but I thought behind it is, is like, I think people, the other thing that I've started to realize, and this is harped on way too much, but I'll say it again. Negativity is something that I avoid like it's the plague. Yeah.

And as soon as I find negative people in my life and they're my friends, like, I'm like, hey, look, I love you, but like, I can't talk to you right now. And I've cut out my best friends. I've cut out girls that i've loved and everything and it's it's the kind of thing where i feel like so many people can get together in this little circle and just be negative yeah you know it's easier to get together and be like gosh like you know those people over there they got things that we want like they don't deserve it they just were born they didn't do shit didn't and being in Malibu, especially, I just sit there, and the people that serve the rich, I sit there,

and I was living as a personal trainer, and I would sit there and I'd talk to these people who would be so disgruntled about these people who had so much money. They'd be training a 15-year-old, and they're charging $200 an hour from this 15-year-old. Obviously, the 15-year-old's not paying this money, and this 15-year-old's walking around with a-year-old's not paying this money. And this 15-year-old's watching around with a Gucci backpack and a

super expensive watch and shit. And the festering of negativity. I could see how Charles Manson or somebody like that could just get into the brains of people and be like, hey, buddy, join me on the Doug side. Well, did you see the documentary, the docu-series

that showed up on Netflix about the guy that started the cult in Oregon? Oh, I love that. That what was the documentary, the docu-series that showed up on Netflix about the guy that started the cult in Oregon? Oh, I love that. That guy was the best. He was selling orgies and, like, mushrooms to everyone. But that's what I'm saying. It's so easy to fall into that portal because I love those two things. I'll tell you guys right now.

I'll follow you anywhere. Tell us about your last orgy. Hold on. Since you guys are so woke, you guys hang out with a lot of people who do all these crazy French things. I want to know, are you guys into the plant medicine world? If you say plant medicine, I will call that. If you say plant medicine. I will knock your teeth out of your head.

I never heard plant medicine until the one time I was on plant medicine and someone outside of the circle came into said Mike Bledsoe's house and was like, yeah, well, I've been experimenting with plant medicine lately. And I was like, oh, you're talking about the same shit I'm on right now? This is medicine? It's not medicine. I'm high as fuck. You were doing drugs.

Yeah. So you just made drugs sound really, really smart. Yeah. I'm on drugs. I've been eating mushrooms and other basically things of this earth that can get you high since I've been like 15 years old. Yeah. And on a regular basis to the point where it's anywhere between a couple times to 15 times a year.

And I actually, in rehab, was doing acid mushrooms on a weekly basis. In rehab? In rehab. Nice. Rehab means alcohol rehab? Yeah, I got in a lot of trouble. So through high school, I feel like mushrooms and acid mushrooms? Yeah,

mushrooms and LSD would be really beneficial for someone who wasn't alcoholic or was in rehab for alcohol. I wasn't treating that way. It wasn't medicine yet. You were just doing drugs. I was doing it because it was the only two things they couldn't test for. Like in my P-test, they had enzymes. They had a test that could basically pick up on the enzymes that alcohol had created in your stomach. I couldn't do anything.

So I gravitated towards that. I got in a lot of trouble when I was younger because I was a hooligan. As I said to you, I never stopped being a kid, and I didn't understand why the difference between eating Pop-Tarts or drinking Surge and running around in circles like a crazy person instead of doing acid cocaine or weed running around in circles like a crazy person instead of doing like acid cocaine or weed running around in circles being a crazy person. As long as I wasn't really hurting anybody, which I never really did,

I didn't see the difference between it. I'll admit, like, I pulled fire alarms, which got me in trouble. I threw like a brick through a window. But these are all things that somebody could do while they were sober. So they sent me to rehab anyways. Kids do that stuff. Yeah, kids do this stuff. I was a kid.

So to keep on telling you guys, I think there's this weird understanding where I don't know if I'm necessarily spiritually woke, but I have found out that if I continually, on a regular basis, continue to eat mushrooms and things like that and take my mind out of the context where I need to get my stimulation from a phone or my stimulation from talking to a babe or anything like that. And also like looking at these bricks right now, to me, this is nothing like these are just fucking bricks laid down on the ground so I can put my feet on top of it. When I'm high on mushrooms,

I realize the beauty of the presence of them. I'm like, God dang, they all flow together. Who is the man who put together this majesty? Unbelievable. The symmetry. And I don't consider it to be medicine, but I will tell you guys right now that the more that I continue to go jump over the fence and get really high and then come back, it gives me

more presence in the world that I'm in right now. And I'm not trying to tell anybody who's listening to this podcast that all of a sudden just buy a bag of mushrooms and act like a hooligan. But I will tell you something, that if you can detach yourself from something that you are so involved in and so obsessed with and find somewhat of a peace of mind of not having that for the moment and then come back into it and keep on giving yourself more of an understanding

of its beauty and its reason to be in your life, then you found a great, like, you know, you found yourself a great resource. Yeah. Alcohol no longer does that for me. I used to think alcohol to talk to girls or to have fun at a party. I'm sure alcohol ever did that for me. Yeah. Alcohol is always about escaping versus learning, I think, or like experiencing.

It took me forever to learn that, man. Is that right? Did I say that right? Yeah. Alcohol is all about just, like, fuck it, I'll just do it. It's about disconnecting from reality, not being, like, confronted with reality. Alcohol makes you project externally. Marijuana, like, all that stuff makes you come inside and, like, whoa.

For sure. I'm, like, part of this ecosystem of flow of the world. How annoying is it, though, when you go into that bar right there and everybody's drunk? You're like, God dang it, the only way I can have a conversation with these people is by getting drunk. Yeah. Well, yeah. Man, weed is a big one to me. I'm like a really dedicated weed.

You smoke the weed? I have a hard time going to the gym and training without it really because i find it really pointless i've there's a point where your savings bank of fitness is so large that you don't actually need to go train you just have to be it needs to be fun and like you're just doing it because you love it. But, like, I really love it when I get high and I go and, like, a dumbbell row now turns into this, like, amazing lat activation. I can feel my scap retract. Like, you're connecting with your body and you can feel the muscles.

It's almost like everything inside you is alive. And then all of a sudden you're like, oh, I'm just lifting weights. This is fucking dope. No one around me right now. I feel like it's good for, like, a once in a while thing. Like, what you're talking about oh, I'm just lifting weights. This is fucking dope. No one around me right now. I feel like it's good for like a once in a while thing. Like what you're talking about with like being able to feel your muscles contract in a slightly different way than normal is really valuable, I think. But for me, doing anything heavy or Metconning,

anything that has any real intensity, I don't perform nearly as well. I snatched two and a quarter really high the other day. I figured out that I could break 500 pounds on a deadlift on mushrooms the other day i ate a bunch of mushrooms with my friends last weekend and i was like my buddy was like you know what like he's like he's like microdosing like people are figuring out shit all around the world while they're high on mushrooms he's like let's go lift weights high on mushrooms if you're microdosing whatever i don't know you barely can feel it yeah but? Actually, you shouldn't feel anything if you're doing it right. He's like, let's just figure out.

He's like, we could break through barriers on these things. I'm pretty blitzed on mushrooms at this point. And we just go in there. We weren't even warming up. We're like, plate, plate, plate, plate, plate, plate. And I just pulled. And I was like, god dang it. My coach has told me that basically studies have shown that if you can unlock your brain,

the average person can back squat 500 pounds. That there's some kind of mental kind of block that we're – just like me thinking about picking up this beer, it's so simple to me. But in truth, like looking at a barbell, picking up this thing, you're like, God, that thing's so big and so heavy. And people just can't. Like the way that monkeys are so gosh darn strong, like it could rip you limb from limb, but they're smaller than us because they don't have any mental connection to the idea of strength.

They just display strength, and they act in the moment. So I don't know if that's the truth or not, but for some reason, I'm saying about the mushroom thing. I'm saying about the mushroom thing. I don't know if there is some kind of unlocking, but I will say that it allowed me to have the courage to break through a sphere that I've been talking about for a long time and wanted to pull 500 pounds.

There's got to be something. That's why you had not pulled more than 500 before doing it on mushrooms? Yeah, never. That's the key. You've got to do it. That's not the key. I don't know if it is or not.

It might have been the key for you. It is. You got to do it. That's not the key. I don't know if it is or not. It might have been the key for you. It is. I feel peaceful about it. It's also, you're the strongest, fittest person that you train with too, right? So you don't really, 500 becomes a barrier in your life. And it becomes a mental thing until you're able to kind of clear, like resurface your brain of what you're capable of, which could be helped by having some medicine.

I across the board am the fittest person, but I specifically train with people, and I say this often because I think this is the way you should learn. I train with people all the time. Like I would go Olympic lift with you. If I was training for Broken Skull Ranch, I would go wrestle with you. And if I wanted to go get super fit, and throughout the week I would go wrestle with you. And if I wanted to go get super fit and then throughout the week, I would go run with somebody else. And I use these people all

week long. I don't train with you for everything. I don't train with you for everything. I have to have other people. I make sure that there's people who are a lot better than me at things because otherwise I'm pretty much I'm fucked. Yeah. Because that's where your your mind mentally stops. The person in the room who squats 400 pounds, if you're squatting with them all the time, you think that's basically the limit of the gym. Well, I think about that at, like, MASH's place all the time. Travis MASH is one of the best weightlifting powerlifters.

Yeah, he's got freaks everywhere. He's got, like, 15-year-olds. 15-year-olds are bending 4.5, like, 4.5 hundred pounds. He's got that kid in there that's... 700 pounds for Nathan Dameron. Squatting 700 pounds. He's got that kid in there. 700 pounds for Nathan Dameron. Squatting 700 pounds. Like 600 for doubles. How old?

Nathan? I'm not sure how old Nathan is. He's not a teenager, is he? I don't believe so. He has a 16-year-old that squats 600, I think. That's nuts. Yeah, that is nuts. He has a lot of very strong kids out there in North Carolina. If you grew up lifting weights at Masha's Farm, you see 700-pound back squats.

So, like, 315 in a normal gym is amazing. I'll pose another question to you guys. Do you think the social media world is a world that motivates or dominates the mindset of people getting better. I'm not sure if that's a fair comparison, motivating versus dominating. Well, I'm saying, so let's say I'm somebody who's like an average Joe here who really just wants to learn about Spartan Race, and they see somebody like me pull that weight and then run that speed.

That's like, holy fuck, what was that? Do they think they suck because they can't do that? Or does that all of a sudden make the average person say to themselves, because I listened to an interview with Elon Musk the other day where he was just saying, like, everybody's lying on social media. Yeah. And do you think that it's kind of displaying this kind of lie or skewed version of the way the world is, or is it creating this bridge to your next opportunity?

I have a lot of opinions about that, actually. Oh, speak to me. Let's go. Speak to me. So a couple things. Like knowing that something is possible makes it much more likely that you can pull it off yourself. If I see you pull 500 miles, you're running 500 miles.

Roger Bannister. Roger Bannister, that's like the easiest example ever. The easiest thing, but I'll say it. Yeah, but you're exactly right. That is like exactly what we're talking about. He runs a four-minute mile. Next year, X number of people run a four-minute mile because they all realize it's possible. So that's very, very important.

At the same time, this is my own personal kind of belief around social media. Like social media has been shown to be negatively correlated with happiness. That's like actual real research. And so I think part of the reason that that happens is that inequality tends to breed unhappiness. It also breeds a bunch of other really bad things like violence and tangible things. Yeah, like violence, crime, but all kinds of other negative things happen where there's large amounts of inequality. So on social media... Do you think it's more negative or positive, though?

I actually think it's net negative. Really? As far as people's mental and emotional state. Because what tends to happen, in my opinion, on social media is that you only follow people that you think are cool. You wouldn't follow people that you think are losers or stupid. So now you're following people that you think are cool. You wouldn't follow people that you think are losers or stupid. And so now you're following people that you think are cool, that you look up to, and those people are only posting the best parts of their lives or they're only inflating something that they want you to believe.

They're only posting things that make them look good. I found that to be a very hard part of my life where I am sponsored. I'm sponsored by Fitted. I'm sponsored by several other companies where if I don't continue to tell the story that he who is Hunter, I kind of lose my value to these companies. And Aaron and Orion are such good guys. I know that if I was crippled tomorrow and I couldn't do anything, they would still sponsor me along the way of whatever journey I went on because they're beautiful people who understand. They would just follow me because they think I'm a good person.

But the reality is it's like a lot of these companies, I lose value as soon as I lose interest for the public. And I fucking hate it. Right now, if I wanted to continue to grow things, I would videotape what we're doing right now. I'd say, oh, hanging out with the guys from Barbell Shrugged and just continue this momentum of kind of nothingness. And it's self-defeating, I'll admit. I actually think that when I look at it, it is the reason entrepreneurship is so hot right now because everybody feels like they have control of who is like watching them but i don't actually think that is anybody it's like if i can do this and build a following i could probably build a business and like monetize this thing and everybody can do

it but it has nothing to do with their real life like it may outside of maybe ryan fisher ryan fisher fucking smashes it on instagram and i really believe it's his real life like i really believe that he's very grateful for all of his followers and i think that he's very grateful that like he people support him and like your shit's hilarious i like watching it doesn't mean i'm gonna wake up tomorrow and be like, man, Hunter's got me. I'm never running a five-minute mile or pulling 500. That stuff doesn't. It's the people that are looking for something that they'll never attain to feel bad about themselves.

I used to. The biggest thing with me right now with any of it is like I just don't want to do it. When am I on social media? It's when I'm not actually doing shit. It's true. If you see me posting about – there would be times where, like, I tried. I, like, made a point to make two posts a day to see what my engagement would be and see what my impressions would be. Yeah, it crushes. Like, if you're two, three times a day and you're in the stories

and then you go to your numbers and you look at it and you're hitting 50,000, 60,000 impressions a week and all of a sudden you're like oh my god like i can do this and then you realize you have done nothing nothing of value you're playing a game that it's like it's like playing like uh like sorry or something like that it's a it's a game that has no value outside of that i could write your game of your social life yeah i can write sales funnels. I can write sales funnels. I can create programs. I can have one-on-one coaching clients. I can do all of that stuff, or I can make an Instagram post. Well, I suspect there's a divergence.

If I'm an obstacle course racer, and I'm following you, and I'm like number 45th in the world, and I see your top five for years and years and years, I'm watching you, and I'm thinking, he can do that. that that means it's possible i can do it because i'm pretty close to you but other people that aren't serious obstacle course racers they kind of want to get into it they see what you do and it's like it's so far off that it's like i can never do that it's too far it's too hard it's demotivating so i actually feel like there's a divergence where if like with that in within that inequality spectrum, the people that are kind of close to the top will be pulled forward.

Yeah. And the people that are closer to the bottom, they're demotivated. And they, I don't know if they fall backward, but it's harder for them to move up because psychologically they feel like the distance to the top is too far. Well, I'll bring this full circle. Until I come to events like this, I'm doing what i'm doing is basically almost like a it's almost like sailing a ship in the night like you do not know the direction that you're going in or if you have like having any like real headway and then you come somewhere like this and the amount of people that will come up and say something to me blows my mind yeah

hundreds of people per hour like it's fucked up fucked up, and it freaks me out. These people are like, Hunter, he flexed muscles with me right now. Like, I watch your shit. Like, you're amazing. And I'm like, why are you wearing a weird hat with glasses? Yeah, I know. And I'm like, God, this is so – I'm just so blown away that what we do has an impression.

So if anybody who's also listened to this – Well, Logan Goldberg has a really cool analogy to it that he did on the Feed Me, Fuel Me podcast. And he was talking about it. He's like, you have to be comfortable accepting the duality that it could be the worst thing that ever happened to humanity. And it could be the best. You have to be able to accept the duality of it. And if you can't, you're just going to be angry and depressed because you're always going to go to the negative side of it.

No one ever just chooses the nice side because it's easy. Yeah. So you always go to the negative side unless you can look at your own actions and say, I'm going to make this the most important platform that I can and inspire as many people as I can. The problem is the majority of people that are on it, it's just an ego trip. So that's the negative side of it. But if you were to accept the duality of it and say,

I'm just going to make this as positive as possible and inspire as many people as possible and create a platform that's educational or whatever it is to make people better, there's a duality to it that it could be the best thing that ever happened to humanity. Have you ever met somebody on social media that you – like you two guys. Like I've followed you guys for years. I only knew you exclusively for Teresa but I followed you guys for years beforehand. I was

like gosh I cannot wait to meet the guys and you were exactly who I thought you'd be. But then there's so many people that I follow them and I meet them and it's like talking to a brick with a wig on it. Try and interview them. Try and interview them. They're great. Try and interview them. Like oh you and interview them. They're great. What's that? Try and interview them.

Like, oh, you have a million people. Oh, no. Oh, no. You're really hot. Okay. Yeah. Got it. Are there any people you interview on this thing that you do not release?

Are you really looking for a name drop right now? Yeah. Are you calling people out? Come on. Are there people you interview on this thing that you don't release? Look, some people. I will name you one person that is a fucking gangster. Doc Jen Fit.

Yeah? She's got like 500,000 people that follow her. Physical terrorist. Is it Doc Jen? She's that little girl? She's an LA girl. You should go hang out with her. She's amazing.

She dates Lewis Howes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I met her. Yo, when we interviewed her and it was like, oh, you're really smart and cool and charismatic and all the things. Some other people that we interview are not, but she is one that when she's cooler in real life than she is on Instagram. Yeah. And more driven and more just awesome.

She's a killer. Dude, I love how you turned that around. He was like, who's the worst? And you were like, I'll tell you about the best. I'll tell you about the best. I thought for some reason you were going to throw a curveball at me like, she sucks. He was like, who's the worst? And you were like, I'll tell you about the best. I'll tell you about the best. I thought for some reason you were going to throw a curveball at me like, she sucks. I was like, oh, man, you're dropping a bomb on her. I didn't want to pull out of you people who suck.

I'm just saying everybody wants to know who sucks. I could list a few. Yeah, everybody could. We all could. Episode 330. No, I have no idea. Well, some people are harder to pull information out of than others, but I don't necessarily think that they suck.

No, no, no. That makes sense. Some are just better talkers than others. You know what's so interesting? So the panel up there, I'm close friends with all the guys who are up on that panel. If you try to talk to them and get them revved up, they just don't know how to move the room.

But in isolated situations where you're going on runs and you're kind of like in a more quiet surrounding, that's where they're able to flower and blossom. And, like, it's hard for me. At first it was hard for me to appreciate that, but I spent so many hours. Like, I've raced against these guys collectively 100 times, and when you're

going red line next to somebody for anywhere from 30 minutes to three hours straight you get to learn a lot about somebody without even communicating with them yeah yeah and like I understand all the beauty of them and I think a lot of people in this circle out here they're like oh gosh I wish they could give me more and it's very interesting like what we expect from the world uh of these like superstars isn't necessarily what they want to give to you when they're face to face. They just like they're able to display it in their sport, their speciality and things like that. But when it comes to just downtime, it's not who they are. They don't know how to put the spotlight on and just be the superstar like Lady Gaga. Well, they're probably very focused on being athletes, which means following a program

that a coach is telling you every single thing to do. Nobody ever taught them that what you do is performing. Yeah. You're a performer. They're athletes. You are also an athlete, but you are very much a performer. I had to learn early the the line between insanity and devotion and kind of like it just there was this thing where the better i get at what i do the less

i can relate to people in its reality so i use i i i lie to a lot of people of whatever what i do for a living like if you met me uh at a bar i'd be like oh what do you do i'm a spin instructor because that's easy for you to quantify like oh the dude, the dude rides a bike. He looked relatively fit. He's a cool guy. But if I told you I was a mud runner and they'd be like, oh, wait, what do you mean? Like, you know, I was like, I run professionals. I run Spartan races and top runners professionally. Like, oh, my niece did that one time.

I'm like, well, I run those things and I crush. And they're like, so what your niece did, but like times 100. What do you mean? I'm like, there's a whole circuit. There's tons of money and sponsors behind it. You wouldn't understand. Trying to explain that to somebody, even when I have relationships with girls,

I'm trying to have this conversation. I'm like, oh, me and my friends went out last night. We were at this bar, and we were listening to this awesome new Kanye CD and shit. The new DJ. And I was like, I don't give a fuck. And I'm thinking in my mind, and it's hard for me to connect. Well, hold on a second.

Let's bring this back to social media, though, because you, we could say you were at the beginning of OCR as being able to be a professional sport. Yeah. But these sports were created, and Instagram and social media and the picture of you jumping over the fire with your bandana on and actually doing something fucking cool with your life made these things capable of funding you to be a professional. It's true. It's true. The thing that I was saying is it's interesting where the isolation of excellence. I think the reason why you see somebody like Matt Frazier train in a basement rather than a gym

is because somebody will never understand what it takes to go from 300 to 305 in a snatch. And they're standing next to you like, oh, my God, that 275 snatch was so good. He's like, it was fucking awful. Yeah. He's like, I needed 285 to hit my percentage. We interviewed Elijah Muhammad at the Granite Games. Do you know who that is? Yeah.

Awesome. Beast of a man. Savage, right? Yeah. So he was one of Rich Froning's very first training partners. And one of the most interesting things that came out of the conversation was he very freely, like, openly talked about what it was like training with rich back in the day and there's a sickness to being great that they have oh yeah and he it is almost the way he described it was

fuck if i could just not have to worry about this thing i'd be so much happier, but I can't shake it. I have to go win four titles at the CrossFit Games. It eats at him so much that he will block everything out of his life so that he can go do this one thing, and it's a real sickness in his brain, but for some reason he has to wake up at 6am and sit on an airdyne for an hour. That's what Elon Musk was saying when he was doing Rogan's podcast just recently. He was like, you don't want to be me. Yeah.

You can't turn it off. It doesn't stop. It's like you want to be me, but you don't want to be me. It happens to me every season. I go out. I do these training camps in the middle of nowhere where I don't have any friends. I love your training camps, by the way. Oh, dude, they're a blast.

Yeah. But what you may see is what I display. It's kind of a lie. I mean, it's great. It's cool. I'm having fun. I know you may see is what I display. It's kind of a lie. I mean, it's great. It's cool. I'm having fun. I know you're working hard. But I have to wake up every single day, and I tell my training partner,

I was like, we're going to the gym at 8. It doesn't matter if you've got blood in your stool. If you didn't sleep well, we go to the gym at 8 every single day. And then we go again at noon, and then we go again at 4. And I can't, like I always end up having to break up with my girlfriend i always end up having to like not really be able to see my family for three months at a time and they're like hunter like why aren't you home for thanksgiving or blah blah blah and what i do up there is the furthest thing from what a human like i think a lot of people

on social media bashed me over time where they think i'm like a privileged and under understanding person because like the guy who may be on the podium next to me has five kids and works as a like a hobie call as four or five kids and works a heating and air conditioning business and uh that's something that's very understandable for the average person out here like i have a job i have kids i'm over here and i'm like lifting weights giving my friends high five and like hitting jumps in my off-roading truck and uh they're like fuck that kid he doesn't understand but the the the world this little little pinhole of a world that i have to create every single season to have the results that i have drives me insane yeah the better i get every single year, the farther I get away from sanity

and the farther I get away from understanding normal human beings. They'll never, they can't understand. Yeah, and I'm not saying I'm an alien by any means. Nobody knows what it's like to commit to that process. You can't be normal if you want to be number one. It's true. You can't be anything close to normal.

By definition, if you're normal, you're not number one yeah you're average if you see like i i think i think about it in all sports like how insane it must be to be that person and design themselves to be that person and i think they're honestly the most isolated people on earth yeah i'm very very good at connecting in these moments, but you can ask anybody who's close to me. They'll see me so often not talking and looking out for like a thousand miles away. They're like, Hunter, what's wrong?

And I can't talk for long periods of time because how much I internalize what's going to happen next. I am the best worst at having a conversation that I'm not paying attention to. Oh, yeah. I will sit down to dinner, and I've had to legitimately work on this as a human being

because I'll be so focused on business. I will sit down at dinner with my wife, and she will have a full conversation with me. Never heard a word. And I will have a full conversation with me never heard a word and i won't hear a thing and i will hit all of the okays and the yas and the ums and the things like spot on are you are you honest with her about it though do you do you ever look at her and just go i'm sorry i have no idea what you just said to me can you can you repeat that please no because i've actually gotten to a point where she's like are you listening to me and I'll repeat everything she just said

it's like a tape in my head and I've gotten significantly better probably in the last two years because it was like a real real problem where she'd be like I know you're reciting the words to me but I know you're not listening to me and I'd be like well if I could tell you what's really going

on it's a fucking sickness I can't explain this. And I've had to legitimately stop trying. I hate to laugh at you. I'm in the same boat. It's hard. I think a lot of guys are in the same boat. It's a real thing where you can sit down and I can just, okay, yep, yeah.

Oh, wow, that's great, and just be a million miles away and working through not just the day's event, but the conversations I'm going to have tomorrow, the business meetings I have coming forward, and how I'm going to present myself, and how do I feel, and all those things. It's a fucking sickness. You want to know the only way I've combated that

is by doing things that are absolutely absurd. You know the reason why I always dress up and stuff? It's the only way that I can be in the moment and have fun with my friends. Yeah. Like I do trail runs naked. I eat mushrooms and I dress up like James Brown. I will wear outfits in the gym. it's the only way that I can allow myself to become more human and more embarrassed about who I am as a person.

You know Elton John used to wear weird shit when he played the piano? That's the only way I can describe the way that I live. It's the only way he could allow himself to be seen while he was doing his shit. And I don't want that to sound weird. It just allows myself to express who I am fully because who I am at my core

is a wild man. Yeah, it's nuts. But I'm a caged beast to do the things that we do. Yeah. You have to be. Dude, that hill's big over there. It's a fucking ugly hill.

I'm so happy. I'm not doing it tomorrow. You got to do it in five minutes with 13 miles, 17 miles. Did you do it last year, 17? Yep. It was 17 miles. I you do it last year, 17? Yep. It was 17 miles. I was so upset with the course designer because it was just too long.

Yeah. It was too long. And I came in fifth place, and it just is kind of one of these things where start to finish, you can – Oh, Aaron. Shit. You got cheerleaders, man. Yo, throw the mic for Aaron Heine right now. Dude, get. Shit. You got cheerleaders, man. Load up mic four.

Put Aaron Hine on right now. Dude, get the mic. Put Aaron Hine on right now. Shit's getting deep over here. What's going on? You guys are dressed to fucking impress. Damn. Boralite throwing that quad off tonight.

Get it, girl. Oh, damn. We saw the hamstring. Let me get some of them high-thigh boots, baby. Damn. You like these mini quads? These mini quads. Let's just touch them for a nickel.

Come on over here. This guy's cheap. What is that? This guy's cheap. Michelob Ultra. Michelob Ultra. You do that 10,000 times. Get you a 24 pack.

That's a Kenny Santucci Michelob Ultra for the low-carb athlete. Sweet, sweet nectar. The only way to enjoy an evening. Low-cals, high-thrills. Yeah, if you get the Michelob Real Ultra, that's just Kenny Santucci's sweat after a workout at Solace New York. I'm sure there's people who line up out the door to have that

kind of stuff. Where can I find you guys? Hey, where do you think Kenny Santucci has more success in fitness competitions or in real-world parties? 100% real-world parties. You think it's better? He's a below-average fitness person, but he's above average. I'm talking about the girls that he's taking home.

He's a professional fun guy. I'll find you guys. I'll text you right when I finish this thing. Are you guys all going to that party? Yeah. All right, cool. We'll see you over there. We'll see you over there.

God, we just sounded so cool. Oh, you're going to the party? Yeah, we'll be over there. Yeah, we'll be there. I Oh, you're going to the party? Yeah, we'll be there. Yeah, we'll be there. I'll see you there. I don't have hamstrings like that, Lorelei, though. Dude, we had exactly 59 minutes. We have 20 seconds to wrap it up.

To be done in one hour. We don't have to wrap it up. Let's just keep going. Hey, I'm having an absolute blast. Can you bring over one of your frigging Spartan friends and get us another drink? I know. We haven't taken a break yet. Yeah, let's take a break.

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I fall in love. And love, I think, is something that doesn't need to be like, you know, this super long, dragged-out thing. You have to spend years in a karate dojo to reach that certain belt with somebody. I think if you know somebody well enough and you can express interest in them and trust in them and you guys are aligned, you can fall in love. Well, you're a super passionate person. You mentioned that earlier.

You think that contributes to just falling in love very quickly? Yeah. And I think the thing that comes in with really, really going head over heels with somebody is trust, obviously, knowing that not only being naked with them, but trusting them with your friends, your family, your finances, your private information, so on and so forth, is something that needs to be developed. And that's what takes time.

But I very much fall infatuated in love with somebody quickly and uh the girl that i've been seeing now you know we've been on and off for a while uh meaning like six months about just because uh my circumstances i tell them like you know my number one focus right now in life is to defeat my goals of competition I would like to burn my candle down to its stump in the next five to seven years so that after that like I never look back and have any regrets I'm also able to step into the next sphere of life which is going to be and I'm successful enough that like I don't have to like figure out ways to scrounge around for money or sit at a desk job. I built myself a platform that I can stand on and be successful.

So my passionate love life is kind of like a start and stop kind of thing. Are you honest with them up front of, hey, this thing's real? All the time. I have to go do this. Oh, yeah. The girl that I'm dating right now, I very much care for. The girl who i i'll admit and i've even told the girl i'm dating with like i'm madly in love and i have been in love with the girl for a while that i had to break it off with just because of the momentum and style that my life's in it's just not something that like i can

give her what she deserves and somebody who's a little bit more understanding of that might be more well suited for now but eventually like you know i find somebody who i a little bit more understanding of that might be more well-suited for now. But eventually, I find somebody who I can get married or whatever that version of our extended life is going to be where they understand who I am as a person. Do you feel like if high achievers, their spouse has to, even if it's male or female, their spouse almost has to accept one of the coolest things. So I watched the Catch Every Wave, I think it is, Take Every Wave, the Laird Hamilton documentary. Yeah.

And one of the coolest things, Gabby and Laird were both talking about how there was some really tough times in their marriage and how they were about to get divorced. And one of the things that helped save the marriage was Gabby accepting that if Laird went surfing, he wasn't choosing surfing over the family. They both had to coexist as number ones. That's a really, really, really intense and hard thing to come to, but for people that are trying to be the best at what they do,

it's almost a necessity. Yeah. Well, all I can say is, like, so my dad and my stepmom are two of these, like, big alphas. My stepmother, she runs, you know, she was one of the top gynecologists in New York City, if not the world, for a while, and she runs, you know, she's on the board at, you know, New York Presbyterian Hospital. She runs Women's Voice for Change. She does, like, all these huge things in the sphere of being a woman

and a successful woman. And she's a freaking, like, she marches around with those heels on. You can hear her from a mile away. She's one of those big, important voices when she's in a room. And I respect that, and I love that about her. And my dad is a businessman where he comes in and he conquers what he does in business. He's always the top man in the room. He never takes a second-hand job.

And they came in together, and I watched them over 25 years. They got married when I was five. And I watched them just smash and smash and smash and smash and smash. Eventually to the point where instead of smashing into each other, they just kind of changed their trajectory so they could ride along. Turned into a mountain. Yeah, they could ride. They turned into a mountain.

Oh, metaphors. No, but I'm saying like they could ride alongside of each other, and it was a peaceful thing, and it's very, very hard to understand that rather than crashing into each other with each other's momentum, to rather ride alongside of each other. It doesn't matter if you're going the same speed. It doesn't matter if you're an inch away or a mile away. As long as you're going the same speed and understand that the direction is the same

and the purpose is the same, I think you can have that. Admittedly, I have not found that in a relationship for me, and I think there is high-level performers who can coexist in that, and I think there's high-level who can coexist in that and I think there's high level performers that need to find somebody who are more on the submissive side who can understand like I would totally marry Oprah and understand that she needs a man

who can take the back seat to Oprah's kingdom and I'm saying that now because Oprah if you're listening yo shout out to Oprah I'll read your books I'll let you know what should be in the book club. But I think that's got to be a comfort level. And relationships is something where I take friendships so seriously. My biggest fear in life is being like 30, 40, 50.

I'm about to be 30. What am I saying? Like 40, 50, 60, 70 and not this like awesome clique of friends that I'm hanging out with doing bro stuff with like all the time but also um I guess I put so much focus on the bro side like I I do need to start focusing on understanding like the significant other side because I can't imagine going through life without having that presence and right now I'll admit it's very easy for me in the way that the world's designed to just go on my phone and have a plethora of women

who are willing to be that for the night. And I'm not trying to be like a sex pig. I'm just letting you guys know how easy it is these days. The McIntyre DMs are fire. Oh, gosh. Fire. Breckin Truss has competition? What?

That's why I have a... He looked at me like, no, he doesn't. There's no way. Breckin Truss? Who's that? Breckin Traris has competition. What? That's why I have a. He looked at me like, no, he doesn't. There's no way. Breckin Traris. Who's that? Breckin Traris. Who is that? The glue guy.

Is he single? Oh, no. He's been dating a. So he fit. I only know her Instagram name. No, he gets tons of booty. Okay. He's the booty guy.

Before we actually jack this whole story up and get way too far ahead. We're joking around. He's a friend of ours. He is a good friend of ours. And he's a very, very, very good strength coach. He just happens to have a PhD in glute hypertrophy. In biomechanics. But he specializes in glute training.

Dude, he works with this girl, Hattie Boyd, who I met at a pool party one time. Where we hung out at a pool party. I'm telling you the truth. And I was high on mushrooms, as I usually am. At pool parties. With models. I was like, I'll fucking sell my soul to the devil for a night with you. If you're listening, Hattie, I'll climb to the top of this mountain and I'll jump off

expecting you to catch my beautiful body. So that is what he does. But when every girl in the world all of a sudden goes from having no ass to nice ass, they like to tag Brett Contreras in the DMs or in the stories. And all he does is hit the share button, and it is just ass everywhere. I guess I'm doing it wrong. No, you're doing it right. He just happened to find the thing before it was a thing,

and then all of a sudden growing ass became a thing. And he made it a thing. It's a thing like seven times. Lots of things. But he did it. Ass is annoying. Ass is so gosh darn annoying because to me, I have to tell myself, the girl that I've been seeing now,

her butt is so huge. Yeah, she's probably on that break and tear. Good huge, I'm assuming. Great huge. Great huge. She's great huge. Great in the way that every single time I see her, I'm like, oh, I've got to quit what I'm doing and chase that.

I'm like a dog after a tennis ball. It's crazy. Because the way that – so I think back into the 90s the 90s and the way that, like, these Budweiser commercials with these big, like, big busty boobs hanging out. Big boobs for a while. With, like, the cutout. And I was so, like, it was so ingrained in our brains as a young man. I'm actually a tit guy. But now the way that the world is shifting.

Dude, fucking pound that shit. Me too. Me too. Gosh. Everyone across the world is ass guys. Ass guys because they got no tits, and it breaks my heart. I haven't dated a girl with a pair of tits in years. And it sucks, but at the same time, I understand these people are aligned with my passion,

so we date, and they got great butts. But this ass thing, it's like I have to always tell myself when I talk to someone with a great ass, I was like, imagine if they didn't have an ass. Would this conversation be so interesting? And I have to say that to myself all the time because it's like voodoo. They have magic powers between those cheeks. You know what's going on in there? Breeding.

Breeding. Yeah. Your subconscious is screwed. You see that, you go, oh, shit, you're a breeder. Well, yeah, because I remember when I was younger and I was growing up, it sounds really fucked up, but I remember they were talking about in England, like, they basically found, like, women from Africa with, like, these big wide hips and understood that they were, like, the most fertile.

And they were, like, doing these experiments. That's why you like big boobs, too. I know, and it's just, like, when you see these things, like, as a man, you're, like, immediately, like, oh, shit. We've really alienated the seven female listeners that we have on bar. No, no, no, no. You should know that. That's why you're squatting oh, shit. We've really alienated the seven female listeners that we have on board. No, no, no, no. You should know that. That's why you're squatting all the time. You know it.

Just embrace it. Embrace these beautiful things that you have and share them. Stop fucking paleoing. Get some carbs in your life so you can grow both. Let's have a conversation about carbohydrates. They're the fucking shit. They're amazing. Of course.

If you want to be a superhero, I eat anywhere from 400 to 700 grams of carbs a day. Hold on a second. I have a real thing. We went to Point Retreats. Shout out to Point Retreats. Minnesota. If you're ever up on one of the 10,000 beautiful lakes up in Minnesota. So Dr. Ben House, do you know who that is?

No clue. Yo, he changed a lot of the way I think about like a lot of he's gangster you love him yeah so he went

like Brett Contreras gangster? yes Contreras Contreras Contreras no coincidence Contreras

has anybody ever said that? I've never heard it before I'm assuming someone has I cannot be the first person to make that lame joke Contreras Contreras TM

but he changed the way that I thought about, like, losing weight and things like that. And, man, I never, like, you talk about the carbohydrate thing. It's like, yeah, for us, because we've been training forever, our body is very metabolically flexible. Is that right? It could be right. What are you getting at? You tell me. You're the very metabolically flexible. Is that right? It could be right. What are you getting at? You tell me. You're the one telling the story.

Metabolically flexible is the thing I was hoping I was not sounding like an idiot. Okay. Is that the right word? But people that are not, that have lived, that don't have the savings bank of fitness that we have, they cannot be doing the carbohydrate or the fat thing to the levels that we do it at and not have to worry about it. And if they were to change their lives to become more metabolically flexible, metabolically flexible, whatever it is. Metabolic flexibility, got it.

Yes, that. It would be such a hindrance on their life, and it would make their life so miserable. And I never had seen it laid out in a way that, like, you say, like, oh, carbohydrates are so great. That's because you are an engine. He has super high training volume, a lot of muscle mass. He's a big guy.

He can eat a lot of carbohydrates. Let's talk big guy. He can eat a lot of carbohydrates. Let's talk about carbohydrates. For a lot of people, it is a real, real struggle on general nutrition to put somebody that is, the example that he gave was a female that is 30 pounds overweight. That's a fucking miserable lifestyle to tell that person that's 30 pounds overweight that wants to look good in a bikini to cut out their lifestyle. You have to break up with all your friends. You have to break up with everything you do.

You know Trisha who likes to eat them carbohydrates. She's gone. You and your friends that like to get together and watch Netflix and chill together, that shit is done. You need new friends. Well, he was basically saying that no matter who you are, you need to hit your basic minimums for fats and proteins. You need to have numbers to go along with these things.

And then everything else. Everything else. Am I Mike Tyson? Am I Mike Tyson? Is that what just happened here? You guys are two. Two IPAs. I'm two and a half IPAs.

In the third break, we'll be doing mushrooms. We're talking about butts, and now we're starting to have a list. It's nice. So you've got to hit your minimums for protein and for fats, and then everything else can go to carbohydrates. But if you're a person who has high body fat and low muscle mass, you don't have much room left for extra carbohydrates. And so with the example you were talking about, that woman that happens to be very overweight,

minimal muscle mass, she has almost no room for extra carbs. It's too many calories. You got to hit your minimums for fats and proteins. And then carbs being a non-essential nutrient, that can be your leftovers. You know what I tell? Usually when people are asking me how to lose weight, I don't tell them to adjust their diets. I tell them to do something like German volume training.

If you can get somebody to do something super fucking basic. This guy, he knows how to squat. Yeah. Do something super basic. They're like, oh, Hunter, I just don't know how to go into the gym. There's so much to do. I'm like, shut the fuck up. Do 10 by 10.

Just drop your ass to the ground. Stand up. Are you saying that because it's so simple? It's like, do one movement, 10 by 10. Get the fuck out of the ground. Stand up. Are you saying that because it's so simple? It's like do one movement, 10 by 10, get the fuck out of there. You don't have to think too hard. Why are you saying that? But also, if you are able to – Because nobody associates German volume training with losing weight.

No, no, no. It is losing – That is like a get big as fast as possible program. No, no, no. Lose fat. Lose fat. When they say – The average person who does German volume training is not going to all of a sudden become like,

holy shit, man, you're busting through your shirt with those pecs. Like, no, they're going to create, like, so many people I know in this sphere right here are so metabolically dead because they jog all the fucking time and maybe, like, do some kind of, like, stupid HIIT class. Metabolically dead. I love how he said jogging, with like this like condescending, like fuck jogging when you're like one of the best like Spartan racers in the world. But that's different though. Like my training is so associated with performance.

Like I see so many people just go on runs that are just so invaluable. Like it just doesn't do anything to your system. How much do you sprint or run really hard, like 400 meter uphill until I fucking puke type workouts? 400 meters is only one chunk of my year and it lasts about three months long and it's twice

to three times a week and it fucking blows. Those are brutal workouts. To the point where you just sit there crying. Not the next day. God, I hope that clock clock slows down i'm not ready yeah it's not a long enough interval do you ever just run 100 full speed in a direction until you give up oh yeah i usually before my races on the friday beforehand i start out immediately don't warm up at all. And I run the fuck out of myself for about a half mile to a mile. At like a 450, 440 pace. And I'm just like, ah!

Like every inch of my body is screaming in pain. Because that's what a race feels like. And I just do that every single time before my race because I don't want to – like usually people taper off and they're like, relax time chill the fuck out like imagine if i told you to sleep and then all of a sudden wake up and just do a max effort back squat yeah that's what racing is like when you taper very very like taper the way an average person does it's like what i hope happens to me it never happens to me no one ever shows up my room as a back squat as much as you can two seconds after wake up and then you haven't you've slept for so long and you're so comfortable relaxed

don't fucking kill yourself yeah as hard as you can right now nice slow whisper yeah but the whole supple upper concept but that just jump into it that's the way that's the way that i go after it and i think that's really really important um and i'm also the kind of person where i where a way that I train is I either set five to ten minute timers and I go max effort on a lot of things, whether it's weightlifting or cardiovascular, metabolic type shit. Do you study a lot of it or do you feel like you just accidentally fell into

really good fucking programs? No, dude, I study it like crazy. Actually, that's true. I've been to your house and you have a lot of really, really smart books. Oh, dude, I have books everywhere. Like the old books. I'm so hard-working. It's actually very real now that I think about it. You know Charles Poliquin died last night? Yeah! I heard that, unfortunately.

I spend thousands of dollars every single year, and people, I don't understand this. To get more successful as an athlete costs more money for me every single year because I invest more money in the physical side, the spiritual side, the emotional side, the, you know, the... The personal side. Oh, side, the emotional side, the, you know, the. Medicinal side. Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly. The restorative side, like, you know, massage therapy, all that kind of shit like that. I invested in Charles Poliquin two, three years ago because I understood that if I'm going to be the human being that I am in comparison to these guys, I was like, I love to do strength, but I need to know the least amount of strength possible, strength training possible to continue to be the fucking beast that I am,

but also continue to improve in the direction that I need to improve on. Because egotistically, I sit there in the gym every single day and I'm like, fuck it, I'm going to bench, squat, deadlift, clean, snatch, whatever. And he taught me that one time a week after you've done your strength training block is all you need to hold on to 90% of your goals throughout the whole season. I agree with that. And it broke my heart. I was like, are you sure about that, dude?

He's like, Hunter, I don't want to hear anything else out of you. You train once a week. You've got 45 minutes. And you're going to do three different lifts. And you're going to build up to a five rep max for all of them. I was like, fuck. That really sucks. So every single year, I invest in a new coach,

and I invest in so many books. I mean, at this point, it's very, very hard for me to find something that seems to be like an aha moment. But I'll still keep on buying books. Sorry, a lot of people in CrossFit agree with the statement that strength is the price of admission. What's that? It basically means you have to be really strong

to be a CrossFit Games athlete. But once you're strong enough, then basically the whole game beyond that amount of strength becomes a conditioning game. You don't need to keep getting stronger and stronger and stronger. You don't need to bench 500 pounds, but if you bench 350, you're strong enough. After that, you can forget about it and go

maximize your conditioning. In the world of Spartan racing, you don't actually probably need to deadlift 500 pounds necessarily. You mentioned 5'10", 165 pounds or whatever it was for the vast majority of world-class Spartan racers.

Like 5'6". Yeah, they're not very big people. They don't deadlift 500 pounds for the most part. You're very unique in that respect. Why do you feel like you need to get stronger if you want to maximize your placing in obstacle course racing? As I said, obstacle course racing was the tipping point for me. It taught me that my – so I originally went – I was a high school athlete,

did a lot of cool shit, was good, but didn't care. Doobies and titties and ass were so much more important. So much cooler. They sound cool. Yeah. Yeah. And then – This guy's on to something.

You don't have kids yet. I focused on leaving – They're still cool after't have kids yet. I focus on leaving. They're still cool after you have kids. More doobies than titties. Sorry, guys. This is the drinking show. I'll tell you guys right now. We're being honest now.

I do this so often on podcasts. I convince the people I'm doing this with. I wasn't good at drinking until he came up and was like, you guys want to drink IPAs? I was like, yeah, maybe I do. Do they have an 8%er back there? Yeah. You got that hippie double.

I'll take a double. Yeah. So then I went from that chapter of my life to trying to model for a while, and I was just very focused on my physical. You can't hang out with Rothfeller too much. But I looked like. Yeah. But then I went to the section where I wanted to be like maximized potential.

And I learned that being like, you know, Spartan Race actually ended up ironically just being the thing that I stepped into when I was like, Hunter, like stop trying to look good, be good. But then I was like, Hunter, like this is such a small little chapter of fitness. Like try to expand into that. So I try to consistently be better at this every single year while being better at a lot of other things. So if I can still be just as dominant in this sport, but every single year increase on my max pull-up, my max deadlift, my max, like, you know, my clean and jerk, whatever the heck it might be, or handstand walk,

like, I'm trying to just, like, I don't look at things like this. I look at things like this. my max like you know my clean and jerk whatever the heck it might be or handstand walk like i'm trying to just like i don't look at things like this i look at things like this and i hope from it so people can't see what you're doing right now sorry so i basically i was with my hands i pointed my two fingers and my uh two hands together and then i spread them out they're all similarly going in the same direction but they're going out at a little bit of a trajectory in different directions because they all in some way move me an inch forward, but they may move a little bit in every single direction. And then what I do is after these blocks of like beer drinking, weightlifting, then I go into specificity. And here's the thing, and I don't want to insult anything anybody here these fuckers have been doing the same thing for six eight ten

years and they are all just as good as they've always been yeah and i'm same way i could come in here if i trained really well and being top five top three potentially if i had a freak day be number one and that's what we're all aiming for every single year but every single year at the same time, I've done something that really makes me realize, like, Hunter, you're an amazing human being. You did something great. You did that deadlift,

or you did some kind of crazy pull-up thing, or you did an ultra marathon, or you did a triathlon, which you never thought you could do, because I'm not the kind of person who wants to be stagnant in my idea of who I am as a human being. I don't isolate myself to an OCR athlete.

And I think everybody in this world, like I say this very often, after you leave high school, there's nothing that measures you. Like you don't know when you wake up or at the end of the week that if you're a B student, a C student, or an A-plus student anymore. Business. Business is the sport that you can play forever. that if you're a B student, a C student, or an A-plus student anymore. Business. Well, business. Business is the sport that you can play forever. How often is there somebody who's sitting at a desk and doing a marketing job

or doing like a PA or like a position assistant and stuff? They're doing things that are very consistent in the way that they got a specific job. And I say the only way that you can really do that is in the gym. Like, whether you're looking at the scale, whether you're looking at the barbell, or you're looking at how many seconds or miles you're able to run. And I say to people, like, very often, I was like, hold yourself fucking accountable. Like, I want to be, I'm 29 years old. At 39 years old, I want to be able'm 29 years old 39 years old

I want to be able to beat the fuck out of a 29 year old I actually think about it all the time Because I'm like Man as a competitive CrossFit athlete I'm never I will never snatch 245 ever again If I can snatch 225 anytime I want Really

So I couldn't do that when I was like 25 I'm in way better shape now't do that when I was like 25. Yeah. I'm in way better shape now than I was when I was 25. Yeah. That's radical. But that's a great thing, and you need to continue to come back to that place because if you don't have that, to me, you're just kind of like a link in a train moving through life. And I don't think – I talked to Mark Bell and did his podcast.

He's like, I used to think that people don't all need to lift weights. He's like, now after being through life for so many years, I think everybody needs to lift weights to understand. I totally agree. Dude, a really interesting thing that Dr. Ben House, the guy we mentioned 10 minutes ago, said when we were meeting with him up in Minnesota at that Point Retreats place. Point Retreat, shout out, love you.

Shout out. Ship it. Place is fucking, shout out. Love you. Ship it. This place is fucking dope. Invite us back. I don't want to have a log cabin mansion. I want one of those. If anyone has a log cabin mansion that they don't want, hook me and Anders up. We'll take it.

At the Douglas E. Larson at Anders Varner to let us know. There you go. At Hunter Hackens to our app. We need a co-host. One dope thing that he, a question that he posed to the group, and this is a group of medical professionals, more or less, at this conference, and me and Anders snuck in. Which was fucking awesome.

We have microphones. Will you accept us? Take us in. He said that, he asked the question, do you think it is unethical? Which was the key word here. Do you think it is unethical to prescribe somebody a diet implying fat loss if they are not strength training? I was like, holy, I'm watching this. I'm like, holy fuck.

That was like a really strong way to say that sentence. I think me and you were the only ones in the room that weren't like, yes. I saw a lot of nodding heads. There was a lot of like. And I was like, I get what he's saying, but I don't like. There was a lot of group think that happened to the point where it was like, as soon as we got home to our hotel room, I was like, did you think about that question he posed?

Mike, that's all I think about. I've been thinking about it for two hours now step back a few feet where i said metabolically dead there's so many people that i know that are metabolically dead and wait before we go on this is all in the context of i think ben house is the fucking man oh no for the record i'd like to meet this guy yeah my grandparents right now, I've watched my grandfather. My grandfather was an Olympic medalist in the Masters Olympics, a world champion in the Masters events. The dude was an animal. And I watched him at 85 retire, like a fully functioning,

like moving as a doctor kind of person. And within five years, he stayed on the same – he never changed his diet or anything like that. Within the next four years, he's 89 now, it was like as if I watched like a car be left out in the sun. Like every other day it was like baking hot sun, pouring rain. Baking hot sun, pouring rain. Like the rust and the decomposition of him as a person

it happened overnight. And I think human beings like if they literally allow themselves to get into that train tracks of living, your body is so able to just sit here, do this, do this, do this,

do this, that it never is never going to consume me. That was typing, drinking, eating, and fucking. Yes, yes, yes. Those are great demos. You missed out on your demos. Sorry, I missed out. I should be more vocal about this.

But the idea is that that's so many people's norms. And when I say metabolically dead, like my brother Garrett is a carbon copy of me, and he's a hedge fund guy. I bring him into the gym, and he'll just put 300 pounds on his back and squat. And I have to not be in the gym for months. And I'm like, holy shit. But he'll allow himself to just grow this gut. And he asked me, what diet do I have to do?

I'm like, fuck your diet, dude. Eat your pizza, drink your beer, just go into the gym and move, and you'll be so amazed by like – it's just like a plant absorbing sunlight. Oh, Ronnie Teasdale. Hold on. Go ahead. Oh, no, but your body is –

No, listen. I don't want to badmouth Ronnie Teasdale. I love Ronnie. I just listened to his – Let's hear it. I just listened to his podcast with – Wodcast. On WODcast.

I want people to understand that Ronnie Teasdale is literally the tip of the spear of a human being. Do not think that you can lay naked in the sun and all of a sudden not eat for days at a time. And sleep with models every day of your life. And that all of a sudden. It doesn't just happen like that. It doesn't happen. He was saying, he's like, I just manifested wanting to go to regionals. I was like, dude, you have been a national champion athlete for the past decade. Dude, I know Ryan Hall.

I used to work with Ryan Hall. We were both sponsored by the same company. This is the guy who set the world record in the marathon. He did this almost like a decade ago. He can still run within the percentage of that pace that would blow everybody off the map after not running at all. Yeah. Well, the thing about Ronnie is Ronnie's been weird as fuck forever. Yeah.

Like, when he was doing CrossFit, he was doing it in a very, very different way. Sure. Like, his nutrition was very, very different. And he's an incredibly gifted athlete. That's what I'm saying, though. You can't. I just. When he said all that stuff.

If you sunbathe naked, it will help you be healthier. Sure. Well, not meditating and going through the colors of the rainbow and then going through the black door at the bottom of the staircase will not get you to regionals. And if you're however. Should we post these shows back to back? If you're ugly as hell. The Ronnie show hasn't come out yet.

I love Ronnie Teasdale so much. In fact, to be honest with you. I've never met him and I respect him massively. But I can tell you. We have like a two and a half hour show with him we haven't posted yet. I can tell you that, look, when I was coming up in the CrossFit world and trying to make my mark on the fitness industry, and I was very, I call it, knew I was doing the right thing,

but also kind of insecure. And then Ronnie would come up, and we'd see each other at regionals or an event or whatever it is, and he'd be like, dude, you're doing a good job. I really appreciate it. I'd be like, oh, wow, I'm authentically changing people's minds, and he respects it because he is on his own wavelength that is fucking out there, and he wouldn't say you're doing a good job if it didn't matter.

Yeah. He's the man. I go along with that. I believe him being an authentic person, but I just want to sit down with him. I'd be like, do you understand that you are a pinnacle, unique human being? But imagine if you were somebody that was totally lost in your life and you

met Ronnie and you were like, you know what? Teach me about meditating on the fucking rainbow colors, right? Hit me with some Roy G. Biff right now. Hardcore. Red, red, red. Yellow, yellow, yellow. Roy, Roy, Roy, Roy. And then all of a sudden we're at the bottom of the staircase and we've walked down all 15 stairs and now we're going through the black door

and we create our black door and now all of a sudden you're manifesting your own reality and you just creeped into that hot chick's freaking brain and you're sleeping with her in the middle of the night. And you're believing it. No one has any idea what you're talking about. They're not listening to this live, which

is good. But the thing is, is that if you're talking about. They're not listening to this live, which is good, but the thing is, is that if you're a loser, and if you have no passion of where you're going, and you have no clue how to maintain your own life and manifest anything, at least you have control of something. And you're

Roy G. Bibbing your way to some hot chick. God, I cannot. Some of the biggest, on a scale of success that's measurable, losers that I know have the most pussy in the best lifestyle that I've ever met. My buddy Big Jake. Big Jake. Big Jake gets laid. That dude fucks.

Six foot six. Talks about his Coke can thick dick that's probably three of us stacked on top of each other. Tell Nalgene to come over here. I'm losing it. I'm telling you guys the truth. And he lives with his parents, just below me, just between layers in my house. What's his Instagram handle?

I don't know. I think his name's Malibu. Coke can seven. At Jake Thicke. This guy, and he works as kind of like a security guard at the weed store in Malibu. And he gets more ass than a toilet seat. And he surfs waves better than everybody else in Malibu. And this dude, like the world could be on fire. And he'd just be like smiling ear to ear.

And I'm like, fuck. I was like, I've won championships. I've got great sponsors. I'm on magazine fuck. I've won championships. I've got great sponsors. I'm on magazine covers. Why are you happier than me? What is going on? His life is amazing. I don't get it. I've done everything that I thought was measurably

the thing to do to attain success. I watch this guy and I'm like, fuck my life. He never knows if he's going to have gas in his car tomorrow. He never knows that if he's going to have food tomorrow. Yet he lives on this cloud of just absolute bliss. Yeah.

He doesn't care. If he's just getting laid left and right, he doesn't give a shit. But that's why I came back to you guys. Remember when I said earlier, Kevin. Oh, more fans. This right here. Fans and friends. This is't give a shit. But that's why I came back to you guys. Remember when I said earlier, Kevin. Oh, more fans. This right here. Fans and friends. This is the man,

the legend. This guy right here holds it down. He keeps an eye on all the kooks out there. He's the, he's the head of, what do you call it now at this point? You're the head of basically containing the athletes in sport and prosperity. Actually,

I kind of got off on that, but now I don't, I wasn't going to do it. So basically, I just kind of keep an eye on the Hunter McIntyre's in the world and make sure they're staying macho. Oh. You're doing a good job. He's macho as it gets.

I love that. And he's got quads for days, and we've got quads for more. Mine were getting a little too big for him, so he got them a little bigger. I appreciate you holding their backs so I can shine, dude. Are you drinking Coca-Cola, or is there something else in there? Diet Coke for the race tomorrow. No sugar needed. I'll get you a thousand of them.

They'll sponsor anybody. All right, man. Well, have a good night. I'll see you tomorrow, dude, bright and early. Hugs and kisses. See you, bud. You bet. So I want to come back, man. Well, have a good night. I'll see you tomorrow, dude, bright and early. Hugs and kisses. See you, bud. You bet. So I want to come back, though.

Remember I said earlier I just wish that I could figure – I'm starting to understand the value of a pair of shorts. Simplicity. Simplicity. Like, you know, maybe having just like – maybe like a bundle of bananas and nothing else and loving it. As I've grown as a person, I thought to myself that nice watches, bigger cars, doing X, Y, and Z, having a bigger place or dating hotter girls,

that it was all going to line up to making happier things. And I always seem to find people who – I always wanted to be the top of the tree, the highest branch, the highest leaf, getting the most sunshine, where I find people that are at the bottom who are just most grounded and connected to the simplicity of life. If you think about it in a metaphorical way, these people are grounded.

Not much can shake them. If you think about it in a metaphorical way, these people are grounded. Not much can shake them. If you think about the people who are reaching up the highest towards the sky, whether or not a storm comes, the wind blows, the rain hits, they're the most affected, not the roots on the ground. And I try to find a way to connect to that. And it blows my fucking mind. When you see the person doing it, that has nothing,

and is so happy. Yeah. Like, wow. Like, damn it that has nothing and is so happy yeah like wow damn it why did i try so hard i feel like everyone's just trying to be understood accepted and respected like at the deepest levels i like that so a lot of people there's many different methods that you could go about to achieve those things. Yeah. Right? You could try to be a world champion, or you could try to get the hottest chick to date you, or whatever it is. Damn it.

I mean, material possessions don't tend to do it. People chase material possessions because they want people to think they're cool. Yeah. But I feel like those are like the, I hesitate to call them feelings, but those are things that everyone's chasing at some level, and people use different methods to get there,

and some methods are better than others. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know i dude i live in pacific beach i see these people all the time they're happy as shit they're not a guy who owns a longboard and a joint and doesn't have a cell phone just kill them yeah it's weird right but that's what separates you and separates, I'd like to think, us and all the things of. Chasing greatness is a thing. Is it true that Mike Bledsoe lives in a room naked with just one on it mace? That's what I assume his life is. Some of those things are true.

He's just like constantly naked with an honest m maze, just like spinning in circles, expressing fitness. I love that you bring up Bledsoe when we're fucking four IPAs deep here. Not really four, two IPAs, but they're doubles. Aren't the legends true? No, Bledsoe crushes it, dude. Bledsoe's on his own wavelength. Every time I see him, he's got the biggest smile on his face. He's happy as fuck.

I love that guy. He's doing all right, dude. Yeah, man. He's having a good time. There's nobody defining where he's going tomorrow, and that's super important because he lives in a perpetual creativity state of finding out what's important to him, and it's very cool. Very cool being in business with him.

That's what I figure, though. He's a very impressive person. You guys are basically at the top of your sphere. Like, Barbell Shrugged has basically been the top basically information point podcast in strength and conditioning, CrossFit, so on and so forth for a long

time, at least from what I recognize. I prescribe to it. Anybody else I mention it, they know of you guys. And this person, instead of building a mansion on the beach, has decided to kind of like hollow out his home. He actually rents a room with seven other people. Yeah, he's hollowed out his life,

and he has such a simple understanding of what it is to be a being in existence where he probably has the opportunity. I don't know how financially successful you guys are, but I figure enough so that you could do some pretty bitchin' things. We can do what we need to do, for sure. Like date Oprah? We are not in the Oprah category.

Come on! No Oprah! I want to date her. I want to date Oprah. David! You could be Dr. Phil. Hey, baby. Yeah, in the most humble way possible.

We can do what we need to do, for sure. But, dude, the thing is... He chooses to do it the way that he does it, on purpose. The simplicity that you talk about is almost the secret to all of the things. Like, you could complicate it, but then you have a cloudier life, and it's not everything in your life like you talk about how you have to break up with your girlfriends like my so my sister is a rather successful lawyer and she has like a favorite wine a favorite clothes a favorite everything

and i'm like how do you keep this shit straight I can't because all I want is a great show and a happy house. I got two things to worry about. And you can't. Do you still own your gym and PB? No, I sold it two years ago. Really? Yeah. So all you have to focus on is this?

I actually just sold the business with, oh, fuck, this is public. I just sold the business with. Sorry, I didn't mean to pry you. No, this is the double IPA. No, I just sold the... I say sold. I got bought out of the business with Teresa. Really? As of two days from today.

Yeah, it's awesome. I love them. They're fantastic people, but again, it's I want simplicity. I want to. They're fantastic people. But, again, I want simplicity. I want to only focus on being good at one thing, and this is the thing that I want to be good at. That's what I was just talking about earlier. I just want to be the best at one thing. He's a mud runner.

Come on, bud. Yeah, I know. And anything else complicates it and adds stress. And one of the things that I'm becoming very comfortable with, which I didn't know was a skill, was a skill that I was developing until I became aware of it, is my ability to break up with things and being very comfortable with breaking up with things.

Have you ever had any friendship breakups? Because that's fucking weird. My best friend and I were in business together for six years with the gym, and I had to not only break up with the gym and the business, but I had to break up with the friendship. And it was fucking hard.

Yeah. Like, incredibly hard. And we're just two years later starting to rebuild a friendship together. Do you guys, like, hang out or do you, like, text? No, we try and do both. Like, hey, pal. Yeah, like, how about this?'ll go even on one one level deeper one of the things that i find to be the hardest part about breaking up is the ability to break up

with feelings and emotions because i can physically break up with a person like you can punch break up with a girl or a friend and okay we're broken up and I no longer have to be in the same room with you. But every time I hear your name or see you on Instagram, I still have the feelings and emotions of anger and resentment for whatever made us break up. So I'm not actually broken up with you until you break up with the feelings and the emotions that are associated. Mom, as a child, I unfollow the people that I break up with. Yeah, but even unfollowing them. Kind of like people say there's no such thing as an ex-wife.

Yeah, you always have the feelings and the emotions that go along. The anger and resentment are always there until you can develop the skill of breaking up with the feelings and the emotions associated with that person. So it's something that I very recently have started thinking about. You can move on from a business, but you don't actually fully move on until you've just been okay with everything and you've somehow realized that

all of these things that come along with life you have to turn into a positive happy story where you're happy that that person came into your life You're happy that you got to go through those really hard experiences. You're happy that they have moved on. When you're operating from anger and resentment, you want that person to fail after they leave you. And you can't have that. It's more exhausting to hate somebody than it is to love somebody. I don't feel like that. I don't want people to fail when I quote quote, unquote, break up with them at all. This is what I'm growing into.

You actually are phenomenal at this. Yeah. And I am very – I think it stems out of competitiveness because I want to win. And I'm not competitive at all. You're very agreeable. That's why it's easy for me. And for me, it's very challenging because I want to win, and I want you to know that the reason we were successful was because of me.

And the truth is that I was successful because of the other person. And I want them to succeed in my absence. But that, for me, has been a very hard thing to break up with the feelings of anger and resentment or break up with the things. And this doesn't have anything to do with Teresa, to be honest with you. It has everything to do with the business, the gym gym regrowing friendships and being happy for people um like there's there's we break up with people all the time but it's it's a it's a piece of life that is like you have to move on you have to grow into the next being that you're going to be it's the scariest thing it's very scary but you're gonna break it up with people no no i i have grown like to become a professional um basically like a polar bear like so fucking

cold that like you know i can like i'm just like i'm like you fucking can't even handle the next place i'm going into life like i am i'm a individual being But what it takes me to understand, like, I've aligned myself so much with the properties of what I am as, like, a person that I can very much understand, like, saying goodbye in my head, but then executing is fucking terrible. See, that's the part that I've gotten good at. You got to go to executing. Yeah, I've gotten really good at it. No, so that's the thing. The girl that I'm, I'm hanging out with here,

she's here in Tahoe. We are currently separated, but currently hanging out. She really wanted to come and run this race, but I was like, here's the deal. I've got so much going on in my life that you are going to become a secondary person. You don't deserve to be a secondary person in my life. You deserve to be

the fucking star on top of the tree for anybody you're dating. And I'm not gonna give you that, and you deserve much more. And I can say that, but then actually disconnecting from the feeling that makes you really understand it is

a fucking brutal thing for me. Because I could be so upset with you guys, like, fuck, I can't be this podcast bro with you guys anymore but then afterwards right when we take off these headsets I'm like you guys want to go lift weights or like go drink a beer and stuff like I can't understand that outside of the circumstance

that we're supposed to really like we brought us together that now I have to be no longer a part of it in every way of shape or form and like that's the only thing that really kills me as a person. Because I told you, I'm passionate about things. And as I said, I never want to be isolated in the way that I do not have friends forever

because I'd rather have everybody I met from day one still be my friend to this day, but there's just attrition in the way that people can't align themselves with you or you fall out in the way that's kind's more of a brutal thing. But that fallout through the breakup, it's fucked up. Yeah, it's cool, though. Getting good at that is cool to me now. Because you're married. When was the last time you did it in a passionate way?

That was the first time. The last girl that I dated that we randomly ran into at San Diego. She happens to be here. Oh, no, no, no. Not that girl. The girl we ran into at the San Diego party. Best of San Diego. But that was the first time where it was like, so you break up with girls.

What happens? They call like two weeks later. Like, oh, do you want to get together? Like, no, I don't want that fucking crazy. Yeah, like that night. No, I don't want that. crazy yeah like that night's gonna i know i don't want that and i just became like it no what was the last time you broke up with a girl for real i'm telling you about it right now how old were you i was 32 uh no wait 31 how old are you now 35 so you've been married for how long four years i was 30 years old and i broke up with

no i was 29 your math's all off. I'm trying to do the math. Didn't call it out. I've been with Ashton so long. So 29, and then I met Ashton. So, all right, here's the real thing about being. Here it is. Ready? You guys are just in time.

We're talking about breakups. Yeah, so this is. Join the conversation. This is legitimately something that I talk about when we talk about coaching and stuff like this, the ability to break up with stuff. But the truth is, so the last girl that I dated was not that awesome. And it was not her fault. It was because I was not capable of being a good boyfriend.

Oh, shit. Right? Dude, taking responsibility over here. Chloe thinks that's funny. You're going to hop on mic four. So the truth is. You'll get the whole story tomorrow, Chloe. But the reason she was not capable of being a good girlfriend and I was a bad boyfriend was because I was putting out a vibe that said,

I am looking for the next terrible girl in my life. And she was looking for the next douchey dude in her life. And I fit the fucking bill. Hardcore, right? I was like, oh, you want like the gym owner that's riding around in a golf cart in PB with no shirt on, with a soft top on the bottom. Yeah, that was me. Yeah, douchey

dude, right? That guy's not looking for something long term. And when that, again, went bad, like all the other things that go bad, it was like, I am done with this. I'm tired of dating terrible girls. I no longer want to be a douchey dude. So what did I do?

I just stopped dating girls. How long was it until you met your princess? Six months. She was the first girl I dated after I went and stopped dating people for six months. And then she was literally the very first person because what I was looking for stopped being that next radical thing. And it was like, I'm looking for somebody that could be like a mom. Did you go celibate between that time? I did.

Did you really? Yeah, I really did. So here's the thing. So I tried to go celibate for like three months as like a growing period. And then I started dating her. And it took me three months before she allowed me to not be celibate. Wow. Yeah.

I like this girl. And that was – Chloe made me wake up at like a month and a half. Yeah, right? And you're like, why don't you love me? Oh, because you're not a terrible girl. What's wrong with this? Yeah.

Most girls sleep with me on night one. Hold on. Not you. Not you. Here's the true thing. I'm going to try to not masturbate or have sex for a whole month starting October 6th. We'll see you on Reddit, buddy. Why?

Because then I leave here. But could you pull that off? A whole month? Wait. Are you talking to me right now? Yeah, I'm asking you a question. Could I not have sex for a month? And not masturbate for a whole month. are you talking to me right now i'm asking you a question could i not have sex for and not masturbate for a whole month there's no way no the answer is no i'm trying to

see if it will give me superpowers and a little bit more clarity i feel like i could put a strong effort into that but that'd be unlikely nicole over here i don't nicole nicole she does it all time she's good i'm not allowed to say anything about her but let me tell you there is a story to peel back behind this banana off the mics off we're getting all the all the dirt on nicole but yo that's a that's a that's a real thing i think that i think that breaking up is a real skill and once you decide that that person is an unhappy or unpaused not a positive person in your life you are more than entitled to stop that right there and be very aggressive about stopping it

because what you fill that time and space and energy with can become incredibly important in the future of where you're going in your life. Is that true, Chloe? Wow, that's powerful. That's powerful. That's powerful. That's quite an endorsement you just got.

Are you guys going to stick around? Are you guys going to head home? Do you? At some point. Can you drink beers or are you going to

behave? You want to have one beer? No. No. She actually is probably one of the girls who's going to finish top three, top five tomorrow. Oh, really? Yeah.

Phenomenal. I'm a vice in her life. When do you run? Yeah. Early. Way early. Do you guys leave before the boys? That's something you should probably figure out i love that you're gonna be podium tomorrow and you don't know what time you're supposed to be like whatever i'll be top three i'll just show

up whenever i'll play she's a multiple time world champion she's very modest wait are you really yeah she's better i don't know she's better at climbing boys than she is if you want to go to a couple ipas we'll take you on on hour three here. Yeah. Dude, are we about to close in on hour two? Closing in. Hour two is easy. This is easy. When we get from two to three, that's when the shit gets crazy.

Really? Yeah. We've been recording for two hours. Yeah, of course. About Fit Aid for two hours. The fittest beverage on Earth. We did 45 minutes on Focus Aid alone. Word up.

Hunters. You have a lot of coyotes on your sweatshirt. Are you aware of this? Foxes? Are they the same thing? Are coyotes and foxes the same thing? I don't know. I don't know.

Foxes turned into dogs, but I think coyotes did not. That was the dumbest thing I've said on this show. We're going to keep on rapping. We're going to keep on rapping. Sorry. We'll continue exactly where we were. But to springboard past relationships, we talked about best friends. Yes.

Yeah. I've broken up with best friends. And have you? Yeah. Yeah. Barbell shrugged. Way too many times, unfortunately. Hold on a second. Welcome to Barbell Shrugged. broken up with best friends. And have you? Yeah. Yeah? Oh, Barbell Shrugged. Way too many times,

unfortunately. Hold on a second. Welcome to Barbell Shrugged. We're here with Doug Larson. Where's the rest of my crew? Yeah, I know. The Dr. Phil

of breaking up with people. Yeah, I very unfortunately have broken up with many very, very, very good friends of mine. Really?

Not like all the way broken up. I still talk to basically all of them in some capacity but they're not a part of the company anymore and so there has to be some degree of you have to go on do something else see the thing that I've under I still

can't I cannot separate passion from passion of performance life and like you know whatever trajectory that involves with love. And that's the one thing that I've had the biggest trouble. Bye, sweetheart. Hey, don't be a pussy tomorrow.

Dude, pound that. Get it, girl. I almost had to break up with Nicole because she was massive. We leave at 945. We're bound to pass you. We'll wave when we pass you. Yeah. What are you going we pass you. Yeah. When are you going to do it tomorrow?

Yeah. Two and a half hours. Two and a half hours. 13. 2.15. 13.7 miles. Is that right? 13.7.

13.5. 13.5 and two and a half miles up a fucking gigantic mountain. If you out there think you're in shape, well, she's going to smash you. We'll see you tomorrow, girl. Take care. I'm taking my sweater off. I'll be right back. Do it.

Dude, don't just put them on the table. Give them my – Chloe, Chloe, what up? Chloe. Say hi to the people. Have you ever been on a podcast before? First time ever. Gosh. Welcome to Barbell Shrug, Chloe.

Say what up, Barbell Shrug crew. Hold on. Can you bring the mic closer to your mouth? Dude, you've got to put it in front of your mouth. Right there. Say what up. I'm Chloe. Hey, what is it like dating Hunter? Yeah, what is that like?

Well, we're actually – That's the worst. I don't know what to say right now. It's a tricky position. Just be honest. I find him tricky. He's very tricky. He's a sneaker.

Do you feel like there's a lot of stability? That's the funniest thing I've heard all day. Not during the season. It's a roller coaster. There you go. It's exciting, isn't it? There you go. Yeah.

Exciting is a good word. Yeah. What's your background? It's nighttime and you just put on sunglasses. I mean, that's normal. I'm from New Hampshire. Where at? Keene, New Hampshire. Oh, Rad sunglasses. I mean, that's normal. I'm from New Hampshire. Where at? Keene, New Hampshire.

Oh, Radical. Jumanji was filmed there. Radical. My wife is from Northfield and has a place on Winnipesaukee that I love. Northfield's like 20 minutes from my house. Killer. Yeah, we should hang out. We'll go get bit by mosquitoes and throw rocks around and climb granite stones and stuff.

I love that. I love that. Do you go to Winnipesaukee? I've been to Winnipesaukee. It's beautiful. Love it. Right? Yeah.

Rattlesnake Island. It's my favorite spot in the whole wide world. I get to go out there. There's no internet. There's no anything. It's amazing. I disconnect. The water's perfectly cold.

I don't even have to shower for a week. I just jump in the water three times a day, and my whole life is refreshed. One thing I will say, though, I think you'll enjoy the story on how Hunter and I met. Oh, hold on a second. This is a good one. Six months ago. We heard it's been at least six months, right? Did you hear?

Did you hear? Will you tell us? Okay. So my background, I ran track in college. I ran at Duke. Oh, hold on a second, athlete. It was. Smart athlete.

And I was at Equinox, and I was like, oh, I want to try doing those obstacle course races. And someone introduced me to a guy that does obstacle course races, and we went on a run. He was like, oh, the best obstacle course racer lives on this mountain in Malibu. I didn't really think. We were on like a 90-minute run, so I wasn't paying much attention to it. The following weekend, he's like, okay, so I think we're going to go on a run with that guy that lives in Malibu. Do you want to come? I was like, sure.

Literally, within 30 seconds, I get a DM from Hunter, this guy. He's like, I see a lot of bikini pics, but I don't know if those feet are fast. I was like, who is this psychopath? What a dick. Then he called me. He's like, all right, you know how to who is this psychopath? What a dick. And then he called me. He's like, all right, you know how to get to this mountain? Like, da, da, da, da, da. It was like 830 on a Friday night.

He's like, we're running at 630 a.m. Don't be late. And I remember I couldn't sleep the night before. It was like the night before a track meet. I was like, what the? I didn't know it was this serious. I didn't know this cult existed. I'm not allowed to call this a cult.

Oh, please. It is definitely a cult. Oh, please. It is definitely a cult. I didn't know this realm, this niche was a thing. But I was like, oh, my God. And then we went on the run. And I kept up. It was all the boys.

And he was talking. He was pretty grotesque. He was like, I ate this peanut butter tea. You farted a lot. The whole time. And I was like, I didn't like think twice about it. I was just like, this is a bro long run. It was like 12 miles long. And then he's like, oh, I didn't think you could keep up with us.

There's this thing called TMX. I won last year. Do you want to train? And then we just started training. That's the line. Would you like to train with me? You want to train? You want to train?

But then I thought. Everything happens. Every fitness bro uses the line. Would you like to train with me? You want to train? You want to train? But then I thought everything happens when you would like to train. It's the equivalent of the fitness world. Like, you want to watch a movie? And you perfected your game so that, oh, do you want to train? That means we're going to go to the gym and I'm going to look cool but make you feel awesome. He was really nice. He brought me to his running coach. Of course he was.

His CrossFit coach. Let me open you up to my playbook. On page 7, I have my running coach. On page 9, we have my anaerobic training, if you'd like to get into some hill sprints. Let me tell you, I showed her everything because she is such an incredibly talented girl. I was like, here's the deal.

And I've said this to her from day one. I was like, I'm going to give you every opportunity to succeed. And if you decide not to pick up the things that I give you, that's up to you. And I've told her that since. And I'll be like, look, you're fucking up. And I've said that to her. And I care about her in the way that I think she's awesome and she's got opportunity. So I showed her everything.'d you run at the what'd you run at Duke

fucking nut job yeah 800 it's the worst thinking about that thing makes me want to throw up at like 600 I know through the scariest events terrifying because it's just long enough to make you understand like pain to its full extent. Like, hey, you feel like crap? Now you have to drag this out. There's no pacing. You just go and try to fucking hang on until you don't die. It's a massive talent.

That was my dream was to become a college superstar athlete. Where'd you go to school? I didn't really. So that was a thing. I had all these things coming towards me. You saved a lot of money probably. No, dude. I cost my family so much money in rehab expenses.

It's unbelievable. It's not funny. It's not funny. I think it was $18,000. It's hysterical. It was $18,000 a month for me to go to rehab. What? Really?

Yeah. Jesus. What did you do? Go to Malibu? That's how you got found? The Malibu rehab. No, it was a rehab. It's $20,000. I had the shittiest rehab. No, it was a rehab. It was 20 grand.

I had, like, the shittiest rehabs ever. I went to University of Montana as an outpatient, and, like, this program, and I'm... James, you're an amazing person if you ever hear this. I was, like, kind of... I was thrown into the university, and I was given the opportunity to be in this humongous school, like, with a stadium of 30,000 seats for football,

which is not the craziest big, but it's fucking huge for me, and kegs and eggs, acid, mushrooms, drugs, and all I had to do was show up to AA meetings, piss in a cup Tuesday and Thursday, and a couple psychiatrist meetings a week. That's a pretty full schedule for somebody even in school. And next thing you know like i fucked up and the only college i could get into was a d3 school for wrestling and i i went there and nobody really people were focused but they weren't in the way that like if you want to be a world champion it's like the people who you know the people who go to a crossfit

gym sorry if it hurts your feelings they hang don't do the class but hang out on the side and do auxiliary programming. They're like, I'm doing misfit programming. That's what I loved about the early days of CrossFit is everybody that did it fucking cared. Yeah. Like it really mattered. It was, I don't want to go play kickball. I don't want to play in some structured drinking league where there's a fucking Nerf ball getting tossed around out here. I want to play something where it matters.

Lifting weights matter to everybody in the beginning of CrossFit. Well, this is the thing. That's how I felt. Everyone was doing it, but they didn't want to be champions. I was sitting there. I was like, fuck all you guys. I want to be a champion. And I decided to leave.

I decided to leave and go take on my own extension of fitness, which was alcoholism. Beer pong. Yeah, and I pursued the fuck out of that. 6-0, pound it. Yeah, right. Hey, I want you guys to know right now. We smashed beer pong like a month ago.

Tomorrow is the Case Race World Championships year three. Two-time reigning champion. Well, I can't. If you can run a six-minute mile hammered. No champion well. I can't write you could run if you can run a six-minute mile Hammered no no it's not I can't run one straight. It's no it's not a beer mile. It's the case race Yeah, I know. Oh, so you two could be on a team. It's 20 beers split between two people starts at 8 p.m. Tomorrow night we all sit on a humongous table. I bet Evan DeMarco and Cali Bundy would love to be it's so great We all talk shit to each other.

We'll get it on this. I think we can get a sponsor for that, actually. Guys, come tomorrow night. The FitAid people will all be there. It's such a great event because everybody works so hard. And now, dude, last year we had over 100 people at the house, and there's probably about 20 teams competing, and we're just fucking whipping beers, talking shit.

Everybody's having a— Shotguns? No, no, you just fucking whipping beers, talking shit. Everybody's having a – Shotguns? No, no. You have to drink it traditionally. Okay. Traditionally, because shotguns usually end up getting messy. It gets really messy. Yeah, it does.

God, was he heathen? Come on. Sweet Benny. So, yeah, we take it down, and the whole goal is to finish all 20 beers as fast as possible. Is it a case 24? No, no, no. We do 20 because I started originally at college. Bush Light had this thing of 20 bottles in a case,

and that's how we started the case race. That's a classy case. It is. It is. It is. Class is always high class. I remember thinking that if I got a six-pack of Natty Light bottles, it was nicer than the cans.

I was like, date night material. Date night material, it was nicer than the cans. And you showed it off to your girlfriend. Date night material. It is nicer than cans. It's the worst. These things taste a lot better in bottle form. Look, we're either going to do another double or we all have to go to the party that they've all asked us to go to. But we have to make a decision right now.

It's almost over. Why don't we go to a party? What time does the party that they've all asked us to go to, but we have to make a decision right now. It's almost over. Why don't we go to a party? What time does the party end? I don't know. I think it's 7. I don't think it's that late. It started at 7. It's 8.30.

It's going to be over at 9. Let's go crash this party. Let's do it. You guys want to? Dig it. If you've made it two hours and four minutes, where can people find you, Hunter McIntyre? At Hunt the Sheriff.

And if you can catch me, dude, I'm running naked. Where did the sheriff part come from? Oh, dude, so this is a great story. It's a very interesting thing. Somebody go get us a beer. Back into the show. We're going four hours. Listen, so I used to be very into drugs.

And in the way that it was. Like drugs or like medicine? Plant medicine. I would take certain leaves and I'd rub them on my nipples until I saw the light. I like aloe. Alovesia. So we were at this poker table one night and let's say there was a gambling now. Yeah.

There's power in our two minutes, two hours and four minutes. We got into gambling. Here we go. Two or three more people than we have right now at the table, this circle. And we've got, you know, drugs and booze all over the table and chips. And I was so high in the moment. And I was like, God damn. I was like, how crazy would it be?

Like, it snapped in my head. I was like, how crazy would it be if I was an undercover cop? And none of these guys knew that I was fucking playing them for this whole time. And like, there's shit on the table that if the cops came in, like for sure, people would go to jail

for a serious amount of time. So, I mean, I'm so lucky that people didn't beat the shit out of me because I ruined the card game

and all the drugs on the table. I like just smashed all the beers and the chips off the table and I just ripped my shirt in half

and I said, undercover sheriff,'all gonna And the lap was just like it was this kind of moment where I was like wow I was like this was hysterical like all me and my friends like kind of resonated with that idea And we took it to keg parties all over the place where we playing beer punk And I just blast things off the table and say undercover sheriff and it was this thing where we grew this this momentum behind it where between us it was the greatest and now i just said to myself like we all moved out to malibu together and it came to this thing where we'd all do these

beer drinking games where we bet each other in tattoos or piercings. And eventually one day I went there and just got the Sheriff badge tattoo and it's been there forever. Savage. Yeah. All right, so Hunt the Sheriff. Hunt the Sheriff. The real deal. No, dude, who goes on websites anymore?

Do you own HunterMcIntyre.com? I do, I do. Fuck. I'll buy that shit and fucking make you buy it off me. I know, I know. You owe me seven cents. Seventy billion dollars. Yeah.

Only websites I go to are Google and porn. And I'm trying to get off. What's your favorite? It's tough because Google's valuable, but porn is just too much fun. They run the internet. I know. They do. It's like 99% of it.

So much, which is insane. It just drives me nuts because I wish that I got into that industry younger. Because I could be the next Peter North or John Jeremy. Well, they have a talent. Mud Run Sheriff, baby. The Mud Run Sheriff. There you go. I think we have your next Instagram account.

I'm going to buy mudrunsheriffrightnow.com.org. That's a nonprofit we could make, the mudrunsheriff.org. There it is. I'll hop on that. We've got talent.org. There it is. I'll hop on that. Yeah. We've got talent. Douglas E. Larson. We've made it two plus hours.

Here we go. What do you got? Take it. You can follow me on Instagram, Douglas E. Larson. Of course, we do Barber Shrug every Wednesday and every Saturday for the time being. I like that we're being serious right now. Dude, we're so serious. We've been serious the whole show.

No, no. This was not a joke. I love that Technique WOD has come back. Dude, me too. I have a good time doing this. They're fucking great. And the people that, like, there's a couple of them

that, like, hit, and I'm like, oh, wow. Like, there's so many things that you can do in a gym. And then all of a sudden, like, the Technique WOD comes out,

and people are like, that one, like, the Australian lady at the Granite Games. Remember her? She loves it. Fucking loony tune. She's so awesome. We get great people are like, that one. Like, the Australian lady at the Granite Games. Do you remember her? She loves it. Fucking loony tune. She's so awesome.

We get great feedback from those, for sure. Did you guys say anything on this podcast that you wish you could take back? No. No. Just double-checking, because I don't know how often you guys drink with your interview. If anything, I want whatever. I mean, in all honesty, we talk about breaking up with things, and it can get weird. But that's a weird thing, right?

Yeah. Leaving things behind. All of the business partners and all of the things are a phenomenal advancement of life and experience. And I think people view stuff like that as a negative, and to me it's such a positive of like we're all moving in this direction exactly where we're supposed to be and it all happens to us exactly like it's supposed to happen it's just so hard in the moment to recognize it as a positive and if you can eliminate anger and resentment from your life and break up with feelings man your whole fucking existence will be so happy and positive but it's easy. Those are the easy feelings because they're the first feelings

that come to you and you have to say, hey, that's not real. Let's all be happy and positive and realize that the experience is what we're going for and we're all on a path. We're going exactly where we're supposed to be. This guy, philosopher.

Get into the Shrug Collective. Million downloads a month! We did it. It's fun to say that, isn't it? You did that? Yeah, we're a million a month. Three months in a row now. Yeah. We hit it early this year.

You bet. Or this month. Yeah, man. We made this crazy leap. I'm fucking stoked. I appreciate you, sir. Let me get some skin up top. Yeah, sure.

Dude, pound that. It's killing it. There's never a moment in this life where I'm not appreciative for my relationship with Mr. Doug Larson. Look at the difference in voices. I know. Look at him. He's screaming. This is big waves.

Big wave files on the screen there. Yeah, that's you. Man, to be a part of this thing that when we made the leap into the Shrug Collective and we went five, six days in a row, brought in a bunch of new talent, we don't really know how the people are going to... All of a sudden, it was like fire hose to the face to an audience that was expecting Mike Bledsoe and Doug Larson's voice all the time.

I'm the new guy. And, man, four months into it, we hit a million. And we've done a million three months in a row. This is your highest numbers? Yeah, by a lot. Congratulations. It's super, super cool that the audience and the people are here. They're starting to really understand what we're trying to do.

And, man, the fact that we get to come to these events and people come up to us and say hello and appreciate what we're doing and appreciate Fisher, really appreciate the Feed Me, Fuel Me guys. Yeah, Michael and Jeff are fucking killing. Yeah, and, like, man, I never expected to be in, like, professional relationships with people like this. And it's a radical life we live.

And I think that we're really making, like, a massive impact in the way that people understand, like, I like to think of this thing, like, not just guide. Like, we talk about guiding coaches to their greatness in the way that people understand. I like to think of this thing, not just guide, we talk about guiding coaches to their greatness and athletes understanding strength and conditioning, but just making better people aware of what they're doing and objectively viewing their decisions

and how they live their life. Hashtag proud. Proud. I'm so proud. Fucking love Shrug Collective. Love all the people. You're doing a damn good job hosting Barbell Shrug, by the way, homie. Thank you.

I fucking appreciate you. My nipples are hard just thinking about it. Dude, his nipples have been hard the whole show. You got those short shorts on. There's no video, so you couldn't see it, but I see it. Watch out for these thighs. I see it. Well, I very much appreciate it.

And, man, this thing's just getting started. We're all just getting comfortable in finding out where we're supposed to be and what we're supposed to be doing. And love you, bro. I've been looking forward to fucking interviewing you for a long time. And we did it. Don't count, boys. Bigger than we were expecting to do.

This is way cooler than us going to Malibu and sitting in your house. Oh, no, this is perfect, dude. We'll do that. We'll do that next time. We'll do that as well. Hey, open door policy. Get into the Truck Collective, at Truck Collective. Make sure you get on my mailing list.

We're doing it every single day. Something cool for me. At Douglas E. Larson. Go hang out with Mike Bledsoe. We'll give him a shout out just because he's part of this fun crew with us.

I got a new website, douglarsonfitness.com. Got some cool courses over there, nutrition and movement. And man, we could just keep going for days.

Get into the collective. Let's go. Night boys and girls. You bet. Thanks dude. Hope you guys enjoyed that. See, we got a little bit for days. Get into the collective. Let's go. Night, boys and girls. You bet. Thanks, dude. Hope you guys enjoyed that. See, we got a little bit carried away there at the end. A couple IPAs in, and things got a little wild towards the end of the two-hour show.

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