Barbell Shrugged - Episode 14 - Former Pro Basketball player Scott English

Episode Date: June 12, 2012

Former Pro Basketball player Scott English

Hey guys, this is CTP with Barbell Shrug. For the video version of all these podcasts, go to our website, fitr.tv. That's F-I-T-R dot TV. Check out the video version of all of them. They're a lot cooler. They're super juicy and tasty. Welcome. This is Barbell Shrugged.

I'm Mike Bledsoe here with CTP and Chris Moore with our guest, Scott English. We're going to be talking about unfit for CrossFit. People know what that is. Our startup foundation? No. No. It's not. Trademark.

No. Just kidding. It sounds like a charity organization. So if you want to find out more about what that is, stay tuned. Just unfit. They're unfit. It is a charity for unfit folks. We give you a place to not look foolish.

It's mental charity for myself. I'll sponsor you. A charity for a place to not look foolish. It's mental charity for myself. I'll sponsor you. Charity for Scott to feel better. Alright, watch this footage. Alright, let's pretend now the intro's cruising. Edit this out, me. Alright.

And exit intro. Somebody get me more coffee. i'm thirsty it's not on the budget all right that footage was tight what's our first topic dude the audio people are gonna hate this you gotta edit it out never do you need to i know some of the audio that we have is terrible like the first two minutes is bad right what it happens no but it's fun though you ease into the podcast like a warm bath you get your feet in there and you go it's a little warm and you get settled in then you get

into your groove you start saying stuff that's meaningful all right here we go we're talking about uh you guys have started doing something scott coined well first you coined doing things scott scaled yeah and then you came up with the idea for unfit right you want me to expand on that a little bit um what what is scott scaled and why unfit well tell them how tall you are first and why you might need to be scaling such things. Yeah. That's right. When I started CrossFit two years ago,

I couldn't do a lot of the normal Metcons. I would either have to scale stuff. Part of that was just lack of strength, lack of flexibility. But a lot of the stuff just is not made for tall people. And when you're trying to do bodyweight exercises and you weigh 240 pounds, it's not as easy as somebody else who starts at 135 or 150. How tall are you?

6'10", just under 6'10". Dang. You have to duck under some walkways. Yeah, doorways are usually only 6'8", so I'm pretty much ducking through any doorway. Life of oppression, man, I'll tell you. Yeah, it's rough. It's pretty great. But anyways, so I found that I was either scaling workouts or just stepping out.

If the workout had overhead squats, I basically just didn't do that workout or I'd have to sub goblet squats or something else. And that kind of got boring or not boring but disappointing when there's all these people that I'm not saying people are unfit, but people that I consider less fit than me and I and I can't do what they're doing just because of the movement or uh you know I the bar is too short for me to get my hands on a snatch grip you know on a standard barbell so uh just stuff like that so I was working with Doug Larson a bunch and just doing you know single leg stuff to get my leg work in and and had him do you know

specialized programming for for about a year i guess and uh then i got tired of doing that and i wanted to get back into the you know daily crossfit metcons and and i just decided i'm gonna do it and if there's stuff i can't do i'm gonna work on it and uh and that kind of led to the scott scale joke which you know i'm since i'm so tall and range of motion stuff i tend to have you know probably one and a half times everybody else range of motion uh that really became evident when i you know sign up for the for the games open the crossfit games open and uh the the one workout that was burpees and you had to touch you know four inches out of your reach or whatever

whatever it was six inches and that turns out to be you know nine foot four inches out of your reach or whatever it was, six inches. And that turns out to be nine foot four or something for me. Did we use the Rogue Yoke? Yeah, we got footage of that. Put it all the way at the top? Yeah. No, we couldn't even get all four pins in. We could only put the bottom two in because it was even off the top.

Oh, wow. And then there's people that are touching you know six foot or whatever so big range of motion so i thought it'd be funny if you scott scaled something and everybody has to multiply their their reps times 1.5 and and uh wear a weighted vest to get up to 240 just to experience what i go through on a daily basis trying to do a standard mech on that'd be tough it'd be it'd be hard just to just to find a weight vest to get me up to that weight. Right. What do you weigh, like 175 pounds?

About 175, yeah. So if I'm right with my mathematics, if you add 30 to that, a 70-pound weight vest. Is that right? Roughly. 65. Awesome. Yeah.

They make those. I'm sure they do. I've had a few weight but then you become so incredibly top heavy it's just right yeah you could just knock me over and then my feet would be in the air and you just kick my feet around like one of those little kids punching bag things yeah we will walk but uh i've had some weight vests in the past and they just fall apart right there and so i haven't bought it anymore and the little the little pockets tear if you do anything like a

kipping pull-up or a box having a weight vest with that much weight i'm just not sure what hold up very long at all they now make uh some some weight vests that are like solid pieces or like they're more like shirts in the slide weight. I don't know if they hold up any better or not. They need to make some stuff out of Kevlar. But, again, it gets more and more expensive. I know if you order from some companies, they'll ship you an extra vest because they know it's going to fall apart. It's like, here's a bunch of weights plus an extra vest.

Not one of those things you can go cheap on. Right. I don't know. It's cheapest to eat your way up to 245 probably. You can fucking buy a Kevlar weight vest. Like fucking Iron Man shirt. Yeah, I mean, it might be easier if you put on like a flak jacket, but those aren't that heavy.

You can stuff your shirt full of sand and marbles and shit. Tuck your pants in Make yourself heavy And put a little Has anyone actually done Scott Scaled? No We've never actually like Written it up or told anyone to do it or anything We're going to have to come up with some of that

Maybe I'll do it, that's what we'll do Make it a daily WOD Everybody's got to multiply their shit by 1.5 to get to this. So outscaled turned out to be, it's kind of a joke, but it kind of grew

into something like that was, you started calling unfit for CrossFit? Well, or just unfit? That came up because I just decided

I was going to start doing whatever Metcons I could. So you went away from just scaling stuff and you're like, well, I'm going to be, I'm going to pick shit I can actually do. Right.

I started following your competition cycle when I started the games, the Open. And then when I was going to do Metcons, I just figured I'd pick two or three a week that kind of fit what I could do. And if it was stuff that I needed to work on, I would do that. So I started doing that. I was doing that for, I don't know, three or four weeks. And then I mentioned to Chris that I was going to do Helen one weekend. That's the wall balls, right? Yeah.

Wall ball hell? No, no, no. No, Helen's kettlebell swings. Karen. Sorry. Karen, okay. And I convinced Chris to jump in with me. And so we did Karen that day and killed ourselves.

And then we just started joking around about, you know, we're not really cut out for CrossFit. We're the opposite of the prototype body, and that led to, you know, we're unfit for CrossFit. And when you guys did Karen, what was your times? Do you remember? I think mine was... Was yours like 11-something? Yeah. Maybe 11.45 or something like that? Yeah.

No, no, no. Yeah. 10-something, I think. Maybe 10.45. Chris, this was your first CrossFit workout. Besides... You've done Fran before. I did Fran at the CrossFit cert, level one cert, where I had a bunch of guys in red shirts, masculine-like, yelling at me,

Come on, bro, you can do it, bro. And by mid-second round, I was on a plow box for the pull-up, starting with the height where the bar was basically at my forehead, just desperately trying to get my chin above it. So that was toast. But up until that point, that was toast but you know up until that point this was the only that was the only crossfit what i've ever done and then for this one i had a pleasure being yelled at the whole time by mike mcgolder who's our best crossfitter faction but of course this was very focused on making sure i did not take any rest he's like

come on five five string five together i'm, god damn, man, this is ridiculous. But I think my time was maybe like, it was at least two or three minutes after Scott got done with his. But in all fairness to me, Scott had done that before. Right. I actually did it faster in the

open wad that had Taren in it. Oh, it had the 150 wall balls and yeah and then you did double unders we did the 25 pound what med ball was it 20 20 but you had done it with 30 right yeah i've done i've done it with the 30 pound you did 150 with 30 yeah oh my gosh for the listeners at home that's not fun just just for just for fun yeah you do have a little bit of an advantage 16 minutes you do have a larger range of motion but you can kind of reach up there. Yeah, so we kind of talked about that during the open.

The toss part, yeah, is definitely easier because it's like a foot for me to throw it up there. But the fast part is gravity, and that's where I've got the longest fight against gravity in my squat. So I'm super slow at them, you know. Takes me 11 minutes, and then some of those people are killing it in six or seven. What's the fastest time you've seen on that wide? Like, once I'm going to do that shit in. Five. Five, probably, yeah.

Yeah, probably. There's some sub fives out there, I think. Craziness, man. Part of it is you just, even if you were to go to unbroken, it would be tough to get much faster than that. And then after that WOD, it's about novelty and soreness and stuff, I was sore, very, very bad sore for like a week and a couple days after that. Like at work, I was.

It's pretty funny to watch him walk at work. I was just just throwing my feet out in front of me, using the momentum of my foot, pivoting, just putting my foot down and it's locking my knee to take a step. And not even contracting my quadriceps to put force to the ground. And then Janie got off the couch

one night and just grazed my thighs like, oh god! What are you doing? Punching me in the thighs? I barely touched you i was like palpation wise just just incredibly sore and swollen for like a week and you know i i squat three or four times a week heavy and do all this stuff but it just was so severe such a novel thing for you that it just destroyed your yeah and every workout we've done since is really really hard during but like five minutes after you're up off the ground you feel no

residual effect from i'm not even tired but that workout was train wreck city really bad i don't know i've left i've left doing weight like months and months of weightlifting only where you know you're not going to go over three reps. I've done Fran, which is a lot of thrusters, with only 95 pounds. Sore for a week. We did Fran's one. We did again.

Scott did really good. You did all your pull-ups, right? Really good. Again, here's a guy who's heavy and tall. And I'm, I will say now proudly, I'm actually 297 today. Hey, now. Under 300.

Under 300. But I was about 300 or 301 when we did Fran. About six foot and a half inch. So, obviously, for me, pull-ups are a real bitch. Like, I do one jumping pull-up at a time. But this time, in contrast to the last time I did a friend, this time I did them all off the ground, starting with my feet flat and arms fully, fully extended,

barely grabbing the bar, pulling from there. It's kind of just dorsiflexion to get you up. Quick dorsiflex, pop myself up, get much younger. Or plantar flex. Whatever it is, plantar flex. So I think that's pretty good. And then,ty i mean you did all your pull-ups you did like you string a few together for kipping didn't you um a couple two maybe every once in a while but look i mean people somebody who's like 150 pounds and does fucking 40 kipping pull-ups in

a row doesn't get the mechanical disadvantages of being 300 or 240 and then trying to do that again it's much different activity oh for sure i find that like in coaching class and there's people who you know the bigger people who are doing anytime we have body weight exercises and then the small people whip through it and these people are just like what it's like man it's a totally different workout for you than these little people like yeah it's like you know it's like you just are know, sometimes when people do RX and then add weight to their bar, they'll put RX up.

I'm like, man, these people should be RX up on their body. It's like, man. RX up for life. I am always wearing a big-ass weight vest. It's called my flesh. And you came to me with the idea for, you said, man, should do uh unfit for

crossfit but and i thought that was i thought that was a really great idea and then i kind of the wheel started turning for me and i was thinking you can't do that because of the trademark right and i wasn't going to spend any money calling lawyers to ask i'm not either it's i mean it's a novelty for me and it and I'll keep saying it, and I'm just calling it unfit at this point, which kind of applies for me more than just CrossFit. I mean, watch me get onto an airplane and try to sit down in a regular seat. So we're going to start a website called unfit.

Maybe we'll just put it on Fitter TV. We'll just have a T-shirt there. It only comes in 2XL Right? Right You want t-shirts that are only 2XL Because those are the only people That belong in the club

Exactly Although we could Maybe we should sell them to the store We should consider shirts That are bigger than 2XL If you're 4XL You're definitely not fit 2XL are bigger

2XL is the minimum Yeah, it's the smallest size we offer Y'all got tall tees? Yeah 2XL tall counts, right? Oh yeah If you're extra large tall that shit don't count you just do tall skinny bitch but have you looked into the trademark for unfit for high intense circuit training for time.com i don't think that will look good on the

back of a t-shirt bumper sticker that'd. That would be a hard domain to type in. Right. I'm actually really proud of you for sticking with it. I think that you come in and like... Hey, I'm fucking sticking with it too. No, I'm talking about coming in and doing CrossFit for years. Oh, okay. So he's been a member of the gym for years and...

Plugging away, man. I mean, you come in and everything has to be scaled for you all the time. And not because you're out of shape, just because the movements aren't conducive to your body type, which is not something you can change. So, like, the fact that you, like, stuck around and said, hey, I'm going to hang out with these guys and keep doing this, even though I'm not getting, I'm not able to do what everyone else is doing. Because a lot of people, what draws them across is the community that everyone's doing the same thing. So, I mean, how does that feel? And kind of what would you advise other people who may be unfit for CrossFit?

How, I mean, my experience with that is, you know, like when I, when I came into CrossFit, I thought I was in great shape and I, and I was in great shape for a specific activity, obviously playing basketball. Um, you know, not many people were in better shape for basketball, got the height advantage. And then like at the time I could, I could pretty much run up and down the court all day and I was quicker than most guys my height and and so i you know i thought i'm in great shape and then i show up for my first day of crossfit uh at the old gym and uh the workout and doug was coached on saturday and the workout we did was like five rounds of uh seven thrusters and 11 burpees or vice versa but But it's thrusters and burpees,

which are like the two worst things possible when you're 6'10 and have super long femurs. You know, thrusters were so ugly. It was, looking back, you know, I thought Doug was being great, but at the time he was just going, yeah, that's good, don't do that anymore. Just go as low as you can

because I'm sure my front squat on the thruster was just awful looking. And I was probably going about half depth, and then I couldn't even finish the workout. It was five rounds, and I was using a bar, no weight on it. So I made it through four rounds and then gassed out and flew it. And so, yeah, you know, to stick it out and be here two years later. And, you know, as Chris said, I just did my first unscaled Fran a couple of weeks ago and actually completed it. You know, when I first started, I couldn't even do a pull-up.

I mean, I could do – I could probably struggle through one dead hang pull-up, but I couldn't kip, couldn't string any together. And so to make it through 45 pull-ups now two years later. What brought you to the gym? Actually, Chris was talking about it at work, and I was just looking for a place to work out, and I asked him about it. I heard he was part of the crew. I have no memory of this.

And he said, yeah, sure, come down and get your ass kicked. And I went, that sounds fun. I did that for eight years, you know, professionally playing basketball where every practice was brutal. So had you known about CrossFit or did he describe it to you or did you just kind of show up to the old-ass garage gym? I mean, he kind of explained a little bit. And then I think he directed me to the website.

So I kind of looked at it. I watched what is crossfit video of course and and said oh yeah that looks novel and fun and challenging and and i like to be challenged and you know i've kind of joked that i picked cross i was looking for a challenge and i picked crossfit because i couldn't find a horse racing uniform in my size this is the next next biggest challenge to be successful at. Do you think also you dig it ultimately because you played high level sports. I played lesser level college football, but the thing that is

the same about those things is that you have those conditioning sessions. You have those thoughts. You're like, why am I doing this? I could just be playing video games in my dorm room. I could just be chilling after school with friends why am i running 10 340 yard sprints on this field right now these assholes but there's something about that that's sort of addicting and when you when you're a former athlete you get in

the crossfit setting like today when like we hit that fifth round of that wad i'm like looking out the back window going why why exactly do i agree to do this i wad and i'm like looking out the back window going why why exactly do i agree to do this i can barely breathe i'm like feeling that pain like this is not what i want to do and then i go okay i see five four three two one pick it up squeeze up those last two rounds you lay on the floor gasping and you realize wow it's pretty awesome you get that little rush and that sense of familiarity with your past of these brutal competitive training sessions that if you don't do cross or something sort of very similar you can't necessarily replicate that you can't go to a gym and get that sensation of like being pushed to your brink it's impossible

to do that it's fun i think just being human you know we as humans need that or else you know i think there's a part of our physiology that craves that that metabolic demand a little bit of a fight or flight type scenario where you're like i want to quit but my buddies tell me no no no come on dude let's do this yeah let's go kill this buffalo yeah it's certainly effective but it gets it gets addicting man like anything else yeah yeah and at the end of the workout you're like i will never just agree to do this and then like an hour later like what's the next what like any jokey well i think also like when i was younger say a decade ago and you were you were getting old i am getting old the workouts that i thought

were hard then i look back on stuff i would do in the gym, which is Globo gym-type workouts, compared to what I do now, this is definitely much more satisfying. There's the stuff you used to do in the gym. I was telling somebody the other day about curls. You would probably never consider even leaving the gym before you got in five sets of curls, right? Yeah, I mean... Crushing five sets of 10 to 15 reps.

Now I do one set of five reps of the curls. I'm like, God, this is the boredom stupidest thing i just have to stop doing it because you gotta bench a couple times a week too you know gotta have your chest and try today you know tell you speak to a 30 or 40 year old guy about benching like fuck benching stupidest exercise in the world every every guy i know that competed in strength sports or you know maybe maybe something like football where you're moving a lot of weight and stuff like that, everyone's shoulders are banged up. I was talking to this kid, Chase, I'm coaching right now.

He's a football player. About to go to Texas Tech. And I worked out with him one day, and we were doing bench. He goes, oh, you could be pretty good at that. I'm like, yeah, if I could do it more than once a month. So if I do it more than once a month, my shoulder starts feeling like it's going to explode. Yeah, I don't know any – I know very few people I've trained with who were really good at the bench and now are older who didn't have problems now benching.

My former strength coach couldn't put 135 on his chest and press it because of his shoulders and elbows and stuff. I think he had advanced degeneration of his shoulder joints. He could probably consider advanced surgery but i know that five ten years before he was benched like 455 for sets of like five reps you know and then benching heavily often to be able to support that kind of strength and i see like if you want to push and maintain your strength you got to use such a wide variety of pushing exercises. Like you should be probably mostly incline pressing and standing strict pressing, the order you get, I think.

Oh, yeah. And then that stuff will allow you to still lay on a bench and move okay weight. Right. Because you can use less weight, further range of motion, and also train your legs and your abs and stuff. And then the incline is a more favorable shoulder angle, and you can push good weight, and it helps your press. And both those things equal a bench, but a bench does not equal the other two things.

You can bench press all day. I think people bench 400 pounds and can't press 135 with their head standing. That's a problem. That's useless strength. That's pretty useless strength. Scott, do you have any injuries or anything that kind of came out of basketball you now have to work around? Yeah, I mean, my ankles are scar-tissued up.

They got, like, no flexibility? Yeah, especially on my left foot. Really, I can't flex my foot very well. So that hinders squatting ability. On top of long femurs, you have no ankle mobility. Have you seen years of taping them up heavy so you don't roll them on the court? No, it's two really severe ankle sprains and then swelling turned into scar. I figured it out at one point.

A doctor figured it out. It's some kind of syndrome, but it thing where uh scar tissue calcifies so i've got spots where it was swollen that's now turned to calc you know it's calcified and it's basically a another bone in there that wasn't there uh yeah i mean on one of my feet it looks like i got two ankle bones on one side. Weird. You could be evolving into the next version of the man. No, I mean, it's not a common thing, but a fairly common thing, enough that you can find information on it. It's not like I've got some crazy syndrome or anything. So this restricted range of motion doesn't cause any undue pain or anything, does it?

I mean, if I, you know. Crack it through that range of motion. When I was playing, every once in a while, it would go a little too far, and it would feel like I sprained my ankle, but I really hadn't. It just overtorked it or whatever. Do you have any advice for tall guys like yourself that are trying to do CrossFit?

What would you tell them getting into it at first? Mobility is huge, so the more flexibility you have, the better. It's obviously going to make a huge difference. And, you know, don't go past your limits. If you can't do it right, it's better not to do it, you know. And that's why I did a year or so with Doug on, you know, rear elevated split squats or, you know, a bunch of single leg stuff to work on strength.

And we worked on mobility at the same time. And so, you know, I've gotten to a point where I still probably wouldn't call my squats pretty, but, you know, I don't think I'm putting. They're definitely deeper and your knees are in proper positions compared to a couple years ago. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure I round my back a little bit on front squats, but it's nowhere near. I mean, like Doug would look at me horrified if I tried some of those squats. But he just, no, don't do that anymore.

We started working on it. At one point we were working on, because at first I said, Doug, I want to work on a specialized program so I can do CrossFit. I want to be able to do all the workouts. So he was programming CrossFit-style movements, but, you know, aspects of them or assistance work or whatever to develop that stuff. And we were working on, you know, squat cleans, full cleans, really. And I would do one and he'd say, yeah, let's not do that anymore.

Because I'm just hunched over at the back just to get down there. Yeah. So, you know, come a ways. Still probably got a little bit to go, but I don't think that ankle mobility is ever going to get there so i know some things are done for you like if you want to snatch use the texas deadlift bar right it's a little bit longer so for tall guys that might be a good option you might want to go buy one of those uh doing snatches off blocks yeah i mean if you have super femurs, just getting in position at the bottom is going to be super tough, and it's not healthy.

Forcing yourself to get down there, not a good idea. It's not like you're not going to get over it. It's not like you're going to fix that problem. To that point, there's nothing overly special about the diameter of a plate or the width and diameter of a barbell. It's just the way it is, and it fits most people's needs. And if you use a longer bar, a specialty bar, which for certain things and certain injuries are awesome,

or if you adjust the height of the bar so you can keep more efficient positions that allow you to use more weight in a better form, then you should do that because if you're 6'10", you shouldn't be expected to pull off the floor with the same mechanics as a guy who's 5'5". That's silly business. Don't be hard-headed. Don't think that just because you're in a CrossFit class that you have to do what everyone

else is doing. Now, if you're competing, if you want to compete at the CrossFit Games or something like that, yeah, you're going to have to meet those standards that are standard. But we are not talking to you, friend. No. If you can't grab that bar on the ground, we are not talking to you, friend. No. You can't grab that bar on the ground. We are not talking about you. I'm talking about longevity here and staying healthy.

I want to go to the CrossFit Games, Joe. I think I can take which phoning. You can't do that. It's never going to happen. The reason I run a CrossFit gym is to really help people out, you know, so that I can still wipe my ass when I'm 85, and so can our members when they're 85. They'll be wiping their own ass. So you're going to let your members wipe my ass when I'm 85, and so can our members when they're 85. They'll be wiping their own ass.

So you're going to let your members wipe your ass when you're 85? I didn't see that in my contract when I signed up. You didn't see the small print at the bottom. Sorry, Jim. So I wouldn't have to wipe my ass. You know, that works. I mean, I did sign a long-term contract. I didn't realize it was until you were

85. You got to do what is right for you, and you got to progress to the goals that are correct for you. Scott sounds like he laid out some very good ones. If you're not a CrossFit Games hopeful, you might. I'm not telling you to give up. I'm just saying

be smart. Are there any super tall dudes out there kicking ass that are top competitors for the games? I am surprised sometimes by the height of some of the guys that do really well. And when I'm talking, I'm talking maybe 6'1", 6'2". Right, right, right. That are at the... We're good. Keep going. This is an awkward moment there, ladies and gentlemen.

The tallest guys that are actually at the championship are 6'1", maybe. Every once in a while you see a guy at a competition. At our faction games, we had Kyle Mooneyham. Was he like 6'5"? Or 6'6"? Maybe. He's a tall kid.

He's very strong and flexible. He gets it done. As strong asham is, what's he like, 6'5 or 6'6 maybe? He's a tall kid, yeah. And he's very strong and flexible, and so he gets it done. But, I mean, as strong as he is, he's not competing at the championship level. Last year he was competitive and went to regionals. Yeah, he qualified for regionals. This year he didn't. He's getting more and more competitive. Nate Schrader, he's a relatively tall crossfitter. He was top ten at the games last year.

Would like to see him there again. But I met him in person. He's just, you know, he's a big guy, period. And I think the games are built for those guys this year a little bit. You're never going to see anybody over 6'6 at the championships, I don't think. I mean, you just at such a disadvantage with range of motion and how long it takes you to do a... Well, it's gotten so competitive now that you're not going to see...

I think 6'2 would be a really big guy at this point. Kind of like with weightlifting. You don't go to the Olympics and look at weightlifters. There was a Bulgarian super who was like 6'8 who was in the Olympics in Greece. He's super heavy, though.

Lifted in Sydney. He was like 6'8", and like 400 pounds. I don't know. He's like 330, 350. Yeah, but he's not doing range of motion reps for time. But he was snatching like over 400 pounds. Speaking of tall, I did see that Reebok recently custom made the world's tallest man his own shoes. Nice.

Yeah. The world's tallest man or United States tallest man? The world's tallest man. I saw something just two days ago about our tallest man getting made specialty shoes by some local shoemaker. I don't know. But they weren't Reebok, baby. You probably got some nanos. by some local shoemaker. I don't know. But they weren't Reebok, baby. Woo! Were they Zig Zags? He probably got some nanos.

Were they Zig Zags? Zig Zags? Trying to get the Reebok sponsorship here. They make them Zig Zags, bro? Probably. Zoom Zoom style shoes. Two inches. He's probably running like a champ.

But what's funny is he was in a wheelchair until he got these shoes. Oh, wow. Yeah. Magic shoes. Yeah. What was that all about? He started walking? I want to read. No, I mean, he'd walked before. But did he. Yeah. Magic shoes. Yeah. What was that all about? He started walking?

I want to read. No, I mean, he'd walked before, but did he? Yeah, but did he get up and start walking once he put the shoes on? They showed footage. Some advanced marketing strategy by Reebok. Jesus, shoes. Did you see the picture? CTV, I need to direct you to this after so you can put this up right now.

There's a picture on BuzzFeed today, a cool website. One of the best. It's the guy who plays for the Timberwolves or something. He's 6'11", 295. Kevin Love? He's a center. Kevin Love, I know, is 295, 7' tall guy.

But he's standing next to the United States' tallest guy. And the guy looks to be like eight feet tall. It makes this guy look like me standing next to you, but you're a 300-pound, seven-foot-tall man. This guy's gigantic. I can't imagine the challenges this guy faces. I mean, you know, he's probably at least,

he looks like he's at least like 7'5 or 7'6, 7'7 or something. Yeah. At least that. And he looks to be at least like 150 pounds heavier than this guy who's 290, 300 pounds. Right. He's probably close to 500 pounds. If he ever does start CrossFit, you guarantee there's going to be a sick video on the journal. Oh, yeah.

Gigantism to fit. So what brought you to CrossFit? Swollen pituitary gland, bro. That's what brought you to CrossFit? Swollen pituitary gland, bro. That's what brought me to CrossFit. I want to talk a little bit about, Doug made you a specific program to help you get better at some of the movements. Now, do you think that was helpful

or do you think maybe it was one of those things where maybe it was about as helpful, 50% as helpful as you thought it was going to be and now you're kind of doing your own thing? No, I definitely think it was very helpful. I mean, Doug has a crap ton of knowledge. Anybody that knows him knows that. And I would have never come up with single leg work.

Right. I keep using that as an example. But I just wasn't familiar. Yeah, i'd done lunges and crap like that but i'd never done rear elevated splits so you did that for a year and you came back you feel like you had improved your range of motion and and you could do more of the crossfit scaled stuff yeah absolutely i mean i didn't i didn't even think about it until i had done that basically for a year and then i got to the point where i i could see that i could do a

you know a power clean or i could do a squat clean or you know jerk a decent amount of weight where before I you know I couldn't and I could I could do a full depth squat and maybe you guys should get together and do like a program for the unfit I do this for a year and then you'll you'll be able to eat in the crossfit better later yeah well you had it you had to kind of get in shape to to lift so a lot of people have to do to lay the foundation for better later, yeah. He had to kind of get in shape to lift. That's what a lot of people have to do to lay the foundation for success later on and not just sort of foolishly rushing into what you think you should be doing now, which is a path to early failure. If you come into CrossFit, you get frustrated because pull-ups and thrusters

and all that stuff are hard, then you haven't felt anything that most beginners don't feel intensely. And you feel that feeling of seeing everybody else do it and seemingly being awesome at it. But you forget that maybe they started in the same position as you. It just took them a few years to get to where they are. So patience is always a huge thing. Whether you want to be really fit or really strong, it's still a really huge deal. That's what I would say.

Do you assholes not agree that patience is good say something absolutely no i i everybody's staring at me like i'm an asshole like fuck you bro fuck some patients no for sure and i think a lot of people fall into a trap of of thinking i mean along those lines of what we're talking about it's like oh i can't do what everybody else is doing. Well, I think it's interesting, too. We have women that have been training for close to a year. They're like, Mike, I can't do a pull-up yet. What do I need to do?

I'm like. You've lost like 40 pounds. No, just be patient. Look where you came from and how long it took you to go from you know whatever shape you were in when you were 20 years old and now you're you know 35 that's 15 years of getting out of shape and you expect in six months to be on top of the world to be into your high school pants and all that you can't give up whatever these you know you can't give up these other you know careful what you say.

I'm trying to be careful. They have a hard time giving up some of these cheat meals. They have a hard time getting enough sleep. These are very common things I hear from people who have a hard time reaching their goals. It's like, oh, but I have to have this. I love bread. Or work is killing me, so I can't get enough sleep. It's like, well, and.

Because you're the only person whose job is hard. That's right. But the whole patience thing goes in with that is, you know, they expect to put in 50% work. Or, you know, if they put in 100%, got enough sleep, they probably wouldn't need as much patience. Yeah, but to think that if you put in the years with effort, it sounds like such a long time, but really in that year,

Scott does mobility, goes by in the blink of an eye. He's only been a few years, and he's already made all these improvements. Well, just think about how many training sessions that is. How many times are you going to train in a week, say four days a week? So you might get like 200 training sessions in. You've got to be in it for the long haul. This is not a do it for a month, get in shape for the beach, and quit this shit. No, this is a lifetime pursuit of training, gaining experience,

adjusting your training, adjusting your diet, and repursuing new goals. Absolutely. Jay, are you telling us to take a break? The producer is telling us we have to take a break. We're going to take a break. I've is telling us we have to take a break. We're going to take a break. I've got a few more topics we want to discuss. Watch whatever cool video CTP puts together for us. CTP, what are you putting up here?

Ah. And with that. See you in a minute. See you in a blare. I don't know what I'm saying. All right, we're back with Barbell Strug. Same people are still here. Awesome.

You know who we are. I'm going to remind you that we also have Scott English. We're going to be talking a lot about basketball. I want to bring up one thing that came up that was interesting. I think it's been about a year ago, maybe longer ago, a year, year and a half ago. I got a friend who owns CrossFit North Atlanta. Hi, Travis.

Anyways, they ended up getting Charles Barkley came in. So he came in. Where did we lose it? Do we need to start all over? Just pick up right where you left off. Okay. Start that paragraph over again. Charles Barkley.

So at my friend's gym, CrossFit North Atlanta, Charles Barkley started training. He got a lot of video of it and stuff. And it was pretty – it actually reminded me of kind of like he was doing thrusters. It kind of reminded me of like he had a hard time getting that depth because he's a big dude. How tall is Charles? About 6'4". Yeah. So he's not probably as tall as you, but that's still.

No, he's 6'4", but at the time he was probably 3'40 or 3'50. And he's got, yeah, he's just big. He's a big thing. And then there's, he's got a whole history, a long basketball history, where he's probably got probably ankle problems, and he's probably had knee whatever and all sorts of injuries. And I saw him training there for, I know he was training there for at least a month. They even brought it up. He was talking.

He was a commentator for a basketball game. And they were kind of messing with him. Hey, I heard you're doing this CrossFit thing. Right. And he was kind of like, yeah. And it was on all of our Facebook for about a month. Yeah. And then it kind of like, yeah. It was on all of our Facebook for about a month. Then it kind of trailed off. A few months

later, I saw him doing a commercial for Weight Watchers for Men. I was like, you sell out. They're actually paying him a lot of money to do that. It's worked. He's lost a whole bunch of weight. I wonder if he got some of the results from CrossFit and then did the commercial for

Weight Watchers. It doesn't sound like he really stuck with CrossFit, did he? You know what? I don't know. I haven't. I'm assuming he did not, but there's no telling. Yeah. I mean, he may be doing some sort of cross-functional training, but it doesn't seem like he'd think they'd still be talking about it if he was still around and progressing. Right.

Yeah, the video that my buddy put on Facebook was pretty funny because it's this chick just kicking his ass. Right. And then he's off in the corner like, ugh. He probably didn't like that too much. Surprise, surprise. You're talking about Charles Barkley? Yeah. And Charles Barkley was a just ridiculous athlete in his prime.

Pay attention, bro. That guy could jump so high, especially for the amount of weight he was carrying. I mean, he had like a 40-inch vertical and he's 270. What was the old story I used to hear about his training? Didn't he like, he would sit just flat footed and jump over like a chest height? A picket fence in his front yard or something. It was like a three-foot, four-foot picket fence and he would just just do just bounding over it, just flat footed. Jeez.

Yeah, but if you watch that guy's highlight reel, Scott showed me that, man. He had a dope string of years where he was just capable of some exceptional things. Yeah. Everybody's granted a string of life, like I'm just tired of moving so much and he's retired and enjoyed himself for a little while

and I'm happy to see him get back in shape so we can hear his awesome sports commentary for years and years to come. Charles was bad. I mean, there was a time where he led the NBA in rebounding at 6'4", which is pretty incredible. I mean, most of those guys are 6'10", or 7'0". Is that just his ability to time the jump to go get the ball? It's timing, but it's really work.

The fight for it, right? Defense and rebounding is effort for the most part. You've got to fight for position. And he's got some super powerful legs so he can box out and get wherever he wants. So, on top of that, like I said, he's got a 40-inch vertical. Dennis Robin wasn't a very tall guy either, right? He was like 6'7", 6'8"? Compared to guys he was –

Well, I guess that is tall. Wasn't he playing center a lot of the time, basically? The difference with Dennis Rodman is that was his only thing that he really did, and he would take himself out of the offense half the time just in the name of getting an offensive rebound. And he had – he was playing with Michael Jordan and those guys, so he could get away with that. That's true.

He had awesome hair. But he had a knack for knowing where the ball was going. You know, what's funny is Dennis Rodman, I mean, he was a freak back in the day, but if he were to walk on the basketball court now, he'd probably just be another basketball player if those guys are. Yeah, some, Chris Anderson. There's that guy. He's got neck tattoos.

Freebird on his neck. I love that fucking guy. I was talking about getting a throat tattoo. And then, was it you that pulled up an image on your phone and showed it to me? I was like, that is a throat tattoo. Dude, let me tell you, man. I want one as well, but one, i definitely can't swing that in corporate america but two every time i got a needle even within like six inches of my neck it was the most terrible thing i've gotten as high as a collarbone it is terrible terrible my tattoo artist and i are talking about that if if you have a daughter then you have to get a throat tattoo

because because then anyone who tries anything more intimidating like oh i'm gonna i'm gonna go meet you know this girl's dad this dude has a fucking neck tattoo but then what if your daughter turns into an asshole and you're like oh shit well i think i'm just gonna get a bow tie tattooed on your fucking neck not a bad idea so that way it'll be intimidating because it's a tattoo and then it just won't be as intimidating if I don't want it to I can just put on a shirt and pretend like it

you should get fuck you tattooed across your neck these are all great ideas way off topic I support them way off topic we want to talk a little bit about making weight swings we're talking about just being big in general one of the things that Chris is doing

he's afraid that he's actually going to become fit by doing the unfit workouts if I become fit and by fit meaning if I regress below a size XX t-shirt, then I effectively get kicked out of the group because

Scott has these guidelines for membership. It'll be a wolf pack of one at that point. My wolf pack will have shrunk. There's other fat people you can recruit to replace me, but that's what makes it so painful. I'm so replaceable. But yeah,

that's the risk of pursuing activities that could make you fit, is that you may actually become quite fit. It's probably not a bad thing, Chris, to get kicked out of the unfit for a CrossFit club. I dig it. It's my little way of belonging. I wouldn't take that as a negative. I don't want to leave you, bro.

I don't want to leave you. And we were talking a little bit before we started the podcast, talking about weight swings and how they can be beneficial. We were talking a little bit about how, in my experience, trying to put on lean mass over time, you know, slowly, or, you know, I don't want to put on fat mass, and I'm just going to put on, like, I'm going to try to put on a pound, like, every two weeks, and it'll be lean mass only.

That is excruciatingly hard. Almost impossible. I've seen it, but it takes years. So I've seen guys like Mike McGoldrick did. He just ate clean and trained hard. But it's been, like, three years. It's a harder way of doing it. He stayed the same way, but he's gotten leaner.

But that's years and years and years. You guys say this forever grind stuff that's actually pretty shitty advice it's not very funny or effective or awesome to forever grind you shouldn't always grind that's the whole that's the whole point of training smartly sometimes you don't you shouldn't be grinding well for the for the 20 year olds, Forever Grind seems like a good idea, I think. It sells T-shirts, right? Right. And Doug and I have found. Forever Fat goes on our T-shirt. On the Chris Moore edition.

We've tracked our weights. Doug and I have both competed in weight class sports. So we've made those big, like 30. I've made up to 30-pound swings in less than a year, up and back down. And I think Doug's made probably even 40-pound swings, maybe more in a year. I think I've got you guys beat. And maybe, well, anyways, I've done it several times. And I find that every time I put on a lot of mass and I shrink back down, I've put on considerably

more. I can put on pounds in a year of lean mass. I think that's a whole lot better, and I think there's some research to support that as well. It's a lot better. In the end, I'm going to be able to put on more mass total than if I were to just try to keep it really clean the whole time.

I guess there's this idea I discussed actually a long time ago with Brian, Professor Shilling, who's been on this very program, ladies and gentlemen, you may recall. Episode 4. But we talked about how ineffective and foolish it is

to go medium in anything. To like, oh, I'm going to the gym today and I'm going to do a little bit of weight but not a whole lot because I'm a little bit tired. Basically, I think that translates

to the diet too. I'm going to quit my diet a little bit but not too much. I don't want to lose too much weight. I don't want to gain too much weight.

I mean, this is a pretty common idea that's holding pattern mentality or, well, I went heavy the other time. I went too light this time so maybe today

I'll just go medium. That's the most ineffective stupid thing you can do because I just think that sort of stimulus lacks the the amplitude the the power to actually cause something meaningful to happen right with you so it's like either you should if you've done too much you should rest hard to recover right and if you haven't done too much you should fucking do something meaningful to actually get some sort of response meaningful a medium stimulus of any kind or a medium regression of any kind you know going half-ass

going part way uh is just a complete waste of time so i mean in my experience i had this slow long linear progression from like grade school to college football like just slowly getting bigger i mean if you asked me last time I weighed 100 and something, I can't tell you. I mean, in fifth grade, I was probably pretty close to 200 pounds. Maybe like 185 in fifth grade.

Not really. I was just a little fat should be kid, but always prone to be bigger. Then by the time I played football in sixth, seventh grade, I was 245. And then played in high school. I actually got to like 320, I played football in sixth, seventh grade, I was 245. And then played in high school. I actually got to like 320, I think, in high school. Then played college football starting at 285 and stayed there.

And then getting injured from football pushed my weight from 285 to 370, 375 within a year and a half or two years. So almost 100 pounds from already being 300 pounds. And you did that on purpose. Yeah, I mean, at the time, I figured, well, I just want to get really huge because I'll lift the most possible weight. And that's true. And I was doing things like drinking protein shakes

with scoops of maltodextrin from a beer supply store. It's basically just putting spoonfuls of sugar and just crushing that and doing it like three times a day. But I was artificially inflating my body weight, and I stayed there for a couple years. Then I realized my first wise moment that I don't need to be this big. So I kind of had phase one was to go from 370, and I went down to like three maybe 330 320 maybe as light as like 315 but mostly 320 that's about the time we opened the

gym the first time like i waited like at 320 when we did that house of pain shoot and then after a while i was like you know this this is stupid i'm tired of powerlifting i can't just keep training heavy all the time forever. What's the point of this? I'm going to keep on going to meets and doing okay and then coming back and stuffing my face. Something's got to change. So I had a real radical, my first radical decision was like,

I'm going to drop a lot of fucking weight. So within less than a year, like eight months or nine months, I was from 320, 315 maybe, but basically about based about 320 down like 230 and you worked with somebody on that i did i did this carb cycling approach didn't stick to it super closely but i did this thing like when days i wouldn't train i'd have like zero grams of carbohydrate did you talk to shelby starns yeah i did work with shelby for okay and in hindsight i thought about several times i guess that shit was effective some days that have like all vegetables and like tuna fish the one thing that's missing is probably high quality fat so i was doing myself a disservice with that and some days would be like tuna fish

and package packages of steamed chicken breast with like five packages of pre-cooked uh uncle ben's rice just for convenience so i was crushing like 500 grams of carbohydrate a day like jacking it way up stripping all the way down it seemed to to work once i hit the tough bits uh but my strength went to shit i was totally in a not good place that's what i had my most back pain since i've injured my back playing football was i got like 230 i got down the situation again it was like it was hard to squat 300 pounds again. It's too much instability. So maybe that was about May or June of 2009, maybe. Does that ring a bell? Does that sound all right?

I think since 2010 I've been heavy again. But I was like, fuck it, time to make a swing. So from June 2009 to October or the first of November 2009, I went from like 230, 235, back to 280, 290. It felt amazing. I was alive for the first time in a year. That's what brought the conversation on. I was telling you that you look better now at 300 pounds than you did when you were on your way down to 230. I think I carry 300 pounds pretty well.

I think you've got much more mass now. To be drug-free and over the hill and older, to be 300 pounds and able to be reasonably okay fit, I'm pretty happy with that. But now I'm at a time where it's probably a good idea to bring it back down. I think I could be just as strong now at 275 or 270. So that's the next experiment. That's why the CrossFit thing.

And then I'm very keen on telling people that you've got to be careful about mastering a little area. Really, it could be anything. It could be fitness or personal life, whatever. Once you figure, you get your head around a topic or you're stagnant

in one position for too long, you should change it up just for the very sake of figuring out a different way to get back to that homeostasis point. So for me, I'm okay strong, I'm very happy with my strength now and since late last year. But what am I going to do, keep doing that and be happy with my strength

at 290 for the next 10 years? Of course, that's not really a good idea. Now, if I come down to 250, get a 260, 270, and replicate that strength while doing conditioning, now I've learned something very useful, a real-world way of juggling these competing demands. So that's why we're doing this. That's

my mission in Unfit for CrossFit challenge, as it were. Drop some weight, stay strong? I put myself in a very uncomfortable position and see what I have to do there to still get what I want out of my body. I mean, I don't really give a shit about meeting any specific goal or this, that, or the other, but if I can be happy with my strength and do

these things that are very difficult for me to do, this is a source of new knowledge for me. You don't read about that shit in a book or an article or some training article. You put yourself in the situation. You figure out how to survive it and get better in that situation, and then I can now share real advice with other people who want to try the same thing. That's my motivation behind it. Nice. That's what I'm after. So far, interesting.

I can do this WOD. I can do 100 push-ups. I can do these wall balls. And surprisingly, so far, strength's okay. So, Chris, you say you, like you apply the CrossFit concept to your life and constantly vary it. I don't know how varied other things in my life are. I'd like to think. But you said, don't get stagnant in one thing.

Change it up. Yeah, I think it's probably a very good idea. CrossFit for life. For me, my training is very prone to do the things i'm good at like anybody right i'm okay at squatting and stuff and i'm shitty deadlift there always have been but i'm okay at some things that's where if you want to come and train with me in a squat no matter how hard you make that workout you're not going to freak me out but when scott scott goes hey do you want to do that wad with the 200 meter spreads go holy shit dude a real sense a real

sense of like fuck man i i really don't want to do that but that's how 200 meter spreads go holy shit dude a real sense a real sense of like fuck man i i really don't want to do that but that's how i know i should be doing it because at this point that's the most interesting thing i could be doing but the same thing is true like somebody asks you hey man you want to go see that show you want to go try that new place like ah can't we just go the same old fucking thing we always do right try new foods everybody has that thing oh i have one of those moments for sure uh i wanted to go to like a Mexican fajitas, somewhere we can get fajitas, me and Justin LeMance one time. This was about two months ago.

And he was like, oh, man, let's go to Jason's Deli. So you went and got a fucking salad. And now I'm the proud owner of $200 in Jason's Deli gift cards. Thanks, Mom. That's why you're eating at Jason's Deli all the time. Oh, no, it was my birthday. She asked me what I want. I said $200 or whatever you were going to give're eating at Jason's Deli all the time. Oh, no, it was my birthday. She asked me what I want. I said $200 or whatever you were going to give me.

To Jason's Deli. To Jason's Deli. Is that how much you like Jason's Deli? Dude, you go there. No, they got a great salad bar, for sure. Free salad bar, but you get it to go. This is a note for all of our paleo friends. Go to Jason's Deli.

Get the to-go. You can load up that sucker in a to-go box. And I'm talking load it strong i told our intern to do it he went and he brought back this little get out of here amateur hour bullshit what is this uh fucking curves so anyway but you you load it up and i'm and you pay you pay eight and some change and that get they have eggs and bacon so that can be your protein or you can pay like a dollar more and get some chicken. Whatever.

So it's either eight or nine bucks. I don't know if they have that option. That's a good option. I didn't know they had that because I always think they need some kind of protein source. Yeah, but I mean eggs and bacon do it if you're living on the cheap. Well, it's crumbled bacon.

If you don't have $200 in gift cards. It's like bacon bits. You got to either go egg or I do the cottage cheese. Bacon bits, but dude, I have people look at me strange when I'm talking like bacon bits, scoop number one, dude, I have people look at me strange.

I'm talking like bacon bits, scoop number one, scoop number two, and right on up to eight. Like one time I had this lady behind me like, dang, he does it right. I was like, yes, I do. Yes, ma'am, I do. But no, I make it fat and I get three fat salads out of it every day. And I'm not talking like a bitch ass salad. I'm talking like, hell yeah, I don't think I can eat anymore. You go one trip and you scoop out three-to-go boxes?

Not three-to-go boxes. It's all in the one-to-go boxes, but that's enough for three servings. Jesus. So you divide eight or nine by three. It's worth it. It pans out. I walk into the office sometimes and he's got it open and he's eating it. And I'm like, man, I want a Jason's Deli salad.

That's good shit. Free plug, Jason's Deli salad. That's good shit. Free plug, Jason's Deli. Smart stuff, CTP. They're going to shut your ass down. I keep waiting for the day that there's a sign

on the bacon saying, like, one scoop, or like, if one bacon C counter or something. Right. Anyway,

what were we talking? Weight swings. We're baking this on lockdown. They actually removed the bean sprouts from the salad bar. I was kind of disappointed in that. I just like that little sprinkle of little sprouts on top. I guess that shit can give you disease, man.

Oh, for real? I guess so. I mean, why else would they do it? These sprouts are growing in dirt and shit. I guess if you don't clean them good, then you got some shit and dirt in your mouth, bro. And I think it's time to move on to probably what's going to be the most interesting part of the show. Oh, put some pressure on it, why don't you?

We're going to talk to Scott a little bit about his basketball history and maybe some of the strength and conditioning that he did. Did you play with Michael Jordan, dude? Man. He played pro basketball, but in other countries. How many degrees does it take to connect you to Michael Jordan? One. Probably two steps.

I probably played with somebody that played with him. Yeah, that's pretty awesome. Vicariously you played with Jordan? Basically. Right. Wizards Jordan or Bulls Jordan? Was there a question?

I've had a long day, man. I've been up since four. That's cool. Yeah. I think what he intended to ask you was what you did, what you can recall from your days of basketball and what you did for training. Training was – depends on the level, of course. You know, High school basketball

in my day there was no we didn't really do weight training. I was one of the only guys on my high school team that actually did weight training and it was just because I was trying to get stronger because I was such a skinny Oh yeah, how big were you? I remember you telling me how big you were in high school.

When I graduated high school I was 6'8 and 180 pounds so you know you need to you need to email a picture we can post that yeah it's it it's uh gross i mean it looks anorexic you know bones showing through arms and you were trying to eat a lot i was eating like 7 000 calories a day those great ass stories you said you felt bad for your parents when you go out to eat oh lot during this time. I was eating like 7,000 calories a day. What was one of those great-ass stories you said you felt bad for your parents when you'd go out to eat? Oh, yeah. I mean, now I look back, like, you know, how much money I spend on food now, and I've come way down in my calorie intake and how much food I eat by comparison.

I mean, really, when I was in college and eating 7,000, 8,000, 9,000 calories a day, parents would take me out to dinner, and I'd order two full dinners. And so I just, now I look back and I'm like, oh my God, I felt so bad that they had to pay for that every time we went out to eat. And I've got two full on, you know, go to Sizzler and I got two steaks and two baked potatoes, two sides of vegetables.

I probably got dessert. Well, I wouldn't feel bad if you're eating at Sizzler. You know, whatever. I'm just dessert. Well, I wouldn't feel bad if you're eating a sizzler. You know, whatever. Fucking anywhere, I guess. Outback, wherever we went, I had to eat basically double, and then I was doing stuff like setting my alarm for midnight, getting up and making two peanut butter and jelly

sandwiches and eating them and going back to sleep. That sounds awesome, by the way. Did I have peanut butter and jelly forever? Did you set an alarm for a peanut butter sandwich? Two peanut butter sandwiches. Dude, I want one now. That was another time where I could stuff food in my face. I was eating until I was full

five, six times a day. Stuff beyond comfort. Just to get unskinning, not to get big. No, that was to maintain my 180 pounded neck. God. That's incredible. You were close to where you are now

but you were still growing I grew two inches in college your dad probably never said a bad word he did everything he could but I mean like and at the time who knew what about diet I was waking up in the morning

my breakfast was like I specifically remember this waking up in the morning and my breakfast was like, I specifically remember this. Waking up in the morning and eating an entire box of Eggo waffles. Awesome. Five packs of instant oatmeal mixed up. What? And then a protein shake that was huge, you know, like filled up the blender and then all the milk I could drink after that. Holy shit. I thought me eating two corn dogs

in high school for breakfast was bad. That's not actually bad. It's not terrible. That's a lot of calories, man. It's a lot of carb, I guess. You could start digesting as you were eating that. Those echo waffles have got to be 1,000 or 2,000 calories.

Butter syrup the whole night. And go to town. And, you know, that was just breakfast. And then every meal was just eat, eat, eat. You know, I'd take four peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for lunch at school and then come home and, you know. You made me really want a fucking peanut butter and jelly sandwich. You were living the life.

No, it sounds wonderful. You make an interesting point because people forget. people think that losing weight is really hard. Oh, I can't have all these things. This is really tough to do. These are people who have no idea how hard it is to fucking try to gain good weight. It's a curse, man. It was not fun. I didn't enjoy it.

It became work. I got sick of food. College, I didn't enjoy eating because it was an assignment. Go home and eat a pound of pasta and as much meat and whatever else you can put on it. CTP, let's do an experiment for a week. Every day, let's lay out times like 8, 10, 30, 12, 2 o'clock, 5, 7, 10, and 2 o'clock in the morning. Get up and eat until you can't eat anymore.

That was two weeks ago. Let's do an experiment on that. People say I'm having trouble losing weight or I'm having trouble gaining weight. They think I'm doing all I can. That's fucking stupid bullshit. You're doing nothing close to what you can do. Let's do this experiment on you.

James. Peanut butter jelly sandwiches at 2 o'clock in the morning for you, buddy. Two of them. Don't do it, CTP. Well, did you ever find anything that, like, worked? Were you like, ah, this food really does help me gain weight? Yeah, getting old. Turning 30 for me was the big switch when I started.

You know, I got up to, when I finished college, I was probably 215, so I'd actually, you know, put on 25 pounds, but still way too skinny. And then I went overseas and I was playing. Actually, the first time I really gained some weight, I was playing in South America, and the team I was playing for had me set up in, like, four restaurants where I could just go in there and order whatever I wanted, sign my name on the check and the team paid for it. Oh, nice. And, and then it was, you want to talk, talk about easy, easy jobs. Uh, we practiced twice a week, Tuesdays and

Thursdays, and it was like an hour and a half of shooting practice. And then we played a game on Saturday every week. That's why, that's why they have to import Americans to play. Well, it was a developing basketball country. It's not a – Right. That was my first gig. When you say when you turned 30, did your activity level go down around 30 also, or do you think it's just age was the main determinant?

No, I think age, like my metabolism just slowed down i wasn't you know i don't know some of it was uh activity level but no i was still playing professionally at the time and and you know but that was the first time that i went oh i i don't need to eat 7 000 calories a day to maintain my weight if i I do, like, one summer when I was about 30, I shot up to, like, 265 because all I was doing was eating and lifting. I wasn't doing any kind of, you know, metabolic conditioning. You shared recently the adverse effects of that too, right? Yeah, and so, you know, I gained a bunch of weight. It was over the summer, and then I went back to play,

and that was my, you know, I was injured a lot of, I mean, not injured, injured, but I had back problems and tendonitis in my Achilles tendon and was plagued by all these kind of injuries. And so that was just not a good weight for me. So, you know, the next year I was back down to 240, and that's pretty much my playing weight and what I'm at right now. But, yeah, just, you, just eating a lot sucked. And when I was there in Bolivia, that wasn't too bad because it was pretty good food.

And I got to go to a bunch of different restaurants and eat a bunch of stuff. Sounds awesome. So, yeah, two practices a week for about an hour and a half. A couple of leaves, too. And then a game on Saturday, and that was my job. And I got paid pretty well and lived right in the center of town. And I was there for like three weeks, and I was lifting weights in this gym. And somebody asked me a question.

I said, oh, I don't speak very good Spanish. And this other guy came over and said, hey, you speak English. And I said, yeah. And he said, you're American. And I said, yeah. And he said, you're American? And I said, yeah. And he said, I'm the president of an English-speaking club. Would you come speak at my club? And just, you know, you could talk about what it's like to be an American in Bolivia.

And I, oh, yeah, sure, that sounds great. So I went and did this little talk. And there's like 19 people and immediately had 19 new best friends that wanted to show me around town. Oh, that's cool. And take me out, do all this stuff. So, I mean, I just had a blast there. Had all this free time because I only got three days of work a week.

Wait, so there was a club dedicated to speaking English? Every town's got that, man. Go to Korea or anywhere, they got that. It's not their first language and they don't teach it. Some of the countries I played in, everybody speaks English.

It's not their native language, but everybody speaks three or four languages. But Bolivia, nobody speaks English except for this. That's pretty typical in South America, though. A lot of those countries, Argentina included, you were telling me that, yeah, don't go down there and expect to be able to communicate with these people unless you're speaking Spanish. Yeah, I learned very quickly uh especially food related because if i was going to eat i needed to know what i was going to order and be able to talk to somebody

about it so learned what how to say chicken how long did it take you to feel comfortable and and communication and not just to order food but like just just to be able to, you know, live life in that country. A month or two, you get to a point where you can get by. And I never really, you know, felt fully comfortable. It's still a kind of a, you know, not a struggle, but still speaking, you know, broken language and having to make yourself understood and do the best you can. But that was one of the things I really liked about playing overseas is that you go beyond being a tourist and going there for a week

and seeing the tourist crap. You go there and immerse yourself in their culture for six months at a time and have to learn some of the language and find out what the locals do for entertainment and where they like to eat and not just go to the, here's where all the tourists go to eat this famous restaurant or see this neat thing. Always a bad idea. If you're eating a part of an animal that you don't have never eaten before, then you're

doing the right thing when you're in another country. Like cow's foot. I've eaten dog in Hong Kong. That was not a cool idea. And raw whale meat in Norway was not delicious. Oh, shit. Yeah, that didn't seem like a good idea. That was more disgusting than the dog by a lot.

What was the main sensation you put in your mouth? It was a texture and flavor. Gag reflex was the main sensation. Was it flavor and texture and everything? Everything. It was like a piece of whale-flavored bubble gum that you did not want to digest or break down. Yeah, it was not tasty. Even the Norwegians don't eat that stuff.

They were almost tricking me into eating it. Oh, yeah, you got to try it. I put this thing in my mouth, and it's just the worst thing ever. I had that sensation. The Swedish guy on our team was wiping his tongue off with paper towels and stuff. It was really bad. It reminds me when I had in Holland the pickled herring. People love this shit over there apparently.

I'm like sitting around the dinner table. Yeah, I'll try it. So you basically pack on raw onions on the side of it. You stick it to the fish and you pick it up by the tail and you put it in your mouth. I just got a picture of me at this moment. I bite into it and immediately I go, terrible decision. Terrible decision. It was like biting

into raw, fishy fish, beyond fishy fish flavored jello pudding. It was like, okay. I think Americans always don't do good with those kind of textures, the gelatinous, squishy textures. Then it was it was like punching your face raw fish flavor and it's like this is i don't know what to do now if i spit this on a table i'm an asshole so i just choke it down a swab like that's

all for me and that guy goes you gonna finish that i go nope and he picks up it's like like a fucking seal at seaworld just crushed it it was crazy man crazy what uh what kind of what kind of strength and conditioning did you do in in college so in high school you kind of lift the weights on your own in college what did you do and then how did that change when you went to south america well in in high school the the training i actually worked with a personal trainer but he was basically it was like body builder type crap you know i mean more or less standard bodybuilder, you know, cable flies and craziness that was not appropriate for basketball, but it was something at least.

Better than nothing. Yeah, it got a little bit stronger and it helped. College, we actually had a strength and conditioning coach, but he was more football oriented. So we basically did the same program that the football team did. That was at NAU. I spent my freshman year at NAU. That probably wasn't terrible for you.

It was all right. Built to make big, powerful dudes. But, again, you saw my early squats. I mean, those were the same squats I was doing at that time. Ugly. It's the same thing football players are doing now. Yeah. And those guys, they're so focused on football's priorities that they put zero thought into what you need and yeah what you should be doing um

and then uh i transferred to uh to junior college and then i went to fairfield university and uh we had a fairly decent strength coach but our our actual basketball coach was a marathon runner and uh i mean talk about a horrible combination. This guy had us, you know, like our pregame meal, he would only let us eat pasta with, like, marinara sauce, no meat in it, because he was a huge believer in carbo-loading. And he didn't want, he actually said, I don't want your body spending energy digesting meat during the game.

So you get to that point in a sports career, you're a 20-year-old, you should probably know what your body needs, wants, can handle before a game. If you're not aware of that at that point, you're not paying attention. Yeah, I've heard some basketball players eat, like, Skittles. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a big game deal. My dad's roommate, my dad played some basketball players eat, like, Skittles. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a big game deal.

My dad's roommate, my dad played college basketball, too, at the University of Utah. And his roommate, his pregame, they would go have the pregame meal as a team, and then they would go back to the hotel, and this guy would open a one-pound bag of M&Ms. He'd lay down on the bed. They'd put on whatever the movie of the day was on TV,

and he'd dump half the bag on his chest with a liter of Coke, and he'd just start eating M&M's, wash it down with Coke, and he'd finish a pound of M&M's. That sounds like a lot of M&M's. And a liter of Coke, and then go play this game. Wow. And so to each his own, and you should know what you can handle. I mean, obviously, there's better things for you to eat, but pasta with red sauce is not the answer to me. And half the time, you know, I would go to that pregame meal and eat that

and then go somewhere else and eat another sandwich or whatever I wanted, you know, sabotage his plan. I used to eat peanut butter and jelly before. Back to peanut. It always goes back to peanut butter and jelly. Whatever competition, man. Yeah, I've been told about five years ago that was the deal. And then, you know. I prefer peanut butter and jelly. Whatever competition, man. Yeah, I've been told about five years ago that was the deal. And then, you know.

I prefer peanut butter and banana, man. When I started playing pro ball, a lot of those places, you know, they don't have, it's a club team. The difference between a lot of the European basketball, South American basketball, and NBA. NBA is a professional team. It's a business completely. A lot of the European teams are club teams. It's like these guys,

they just want to play basketball, so they get together and it becomes a league that they play against these other club teams. And then to be more competitive, they bring in an American and pay them. But some of the players on the team, the Norwegians or the Bolivians, they're not actually getting paid. They're just doing it because they want to play

basketball. This is what Tom does, my pseudo-brother-in-law, Janie's sister's boyfriend. Oh, yeah. He's about 6'10", 6'11". He's a tall dude. Yeah, he plays for a club team in Amsterdam, sort of semi-pro. I guess the next level will be national. I think that's the exact arrangement. They sort of get together and play and they're competitive.

Right, that's pretty standard. Yeah, you get some heat behind you. That's why you're working three days a week. Well, yeah, that was a specific, you know, every other place that I played, that was just one country that was like that. Every other place we had practice, you know, five, six days a week and then multiple games a week or whatever, you know. So that was just a special situation where there was – this was a club team,

but I was the only American for a long time on our team, and it was one of the guys on the team was actually pretty loaded. He had a lumber business, and he just paid me out of his own pocket because he wanted to win. Yeah, and so that was kind of interesting. You know, this guy would show up once a month and just, you know, hand me four grand or whatever my salary was at the time. Four grand in Bolivia. No, and so that was kind of interesting. This guy would show up once a month and just hand me $4,000 or whatever my salary was at the time. $4,000 in Bolivia.

No, yeah. That's pretty nice. Yeah, and on top of that, then he'd give me spending money. So as a kid fresh out of college, that was pretty good for me. Hell yeah. Sweet kid, man. I basically came home with everything that he gave me. I put it in a bank account.

Didn't spend any of it because he had me in a hotel, all my food's paid for, spending money, and it's super cheap anyway. It was a pretty good deal. But most of those teams, like I said, they're club teams, so they may not have a strength program because

it's just these guys getting together to play and then we pay a couple of Americans or whatever. But they don't have the facilities, so you do what you want on your own, but they don't It's just these guys getting together to play, and then we pay a couple of Americans or whatever. But they don't have the facilities. You do what you want on your own, but they don't have a program. Now, the higher clubs do, the bigger clubs. As I got into some better teams and better situations, we had conditioning programs. The last year I played in Norway, actually, I did our strength and conditioning program. We did some, you know,

randomization stuff. We did a lot of CrossFit type, um, exercise stuff where you throw a bunch of stuff together and do all these, you know, random movements and stuff. But it was very specific to basketball, you know, pick a medicine ball up off the, off the court, touch it to the backboard 15 times. So it's a basketball movement. And then do some sprints up and down the court. But nothing as focused as when I came here and started working with Doug. And especially he really designed the program to suit my requirements and what I wanted to do.

And we talked about different things on, I wanted to start playing tennis and we, you know, worked on lateral movements and stuff like that. So much more focused training than just, you know, basketball was always very focused, but, you know, we knew what we needed to do and you could pretty much come up with your own stuff, just shoulders and legs. Nothing's better than an individualized program.

Really? You thinking come back soon, Scott? No. 40's a bit old to be trying to play ball. You played basketball with a team last year. Or was that two years ago? No, that was last year. John, pause. Pause.

We're back, are we? Okay, we're fine. Keep rolling. I played pickup ball in a rec team last year, and it was fun for a little bit, but it gets frustrating when you play at a fairly high level, and you come back and play at a rec league level, and there's guys that clearly can't guard you, and so their only option is to foul you, and then these rec league referees that think, oh, well, you're 6'10", and 240, and you played pro ball.

You should be able to take that foul, and I'm going, it's still a foul. Foul's a foul. A guy rips my arm off. I'm going up for a shot. I should get to shoot some free throws. And it just took all the fun out of it. You know, I was getting hammered every time I played, and referees aren't doing anything about it.

I remember you coming to the gym and being upset about playing with amateurs. Well, yeah, yeah. And then, you know, the team I'm playing with is a bunch of guys that their basketball experience was high school basketball or they played in a church league or whatever, and they've never actually been really coached about team basketball. And so they have some abilities, but they don't know where they're supposed to be on the court

and they don't know how to play team defense. And so it just got frustrating. Yeah. There's other things to do for exercise, obviously. Obviously. That's a tough position to be in man it's kind of like i haven't never felt that but going back and trying to recreate the magic of competing and palatting or something when i'm a little past that time in my life trying to get

to that moment again is it's always a tough deal trying to revisit those times it doesn't quite work out all the time yeah i remember i played softball once i got roped into playing some softball and i was like oh this will be just like when i played baseball this would be great and then i went to play i went to go play softball and you know no one took it as seriously as i was taking it i was like all right this isn't fun for me because everyone's not like uber competitive. What? What's so funny? He was shocked by that comment.

Very controversial. How far were you expecting anyone to be serious about softball? Well, I had, I mean, I'm talking, I had just stopped playing baseball, like the last season type of thing. And then someone was like, oh, you'd be really good on the team. I'm like, yeah, I'd like to, you know, keep know keep doing this thing this was a fat out of shape i played like two games and quit right i was like this is terrible like these guys don't care they're just trying to hit bombs the whole time like this isn't cool you know one of the things i when i was playing that i was actually really excited about was like I felt like my athleticism like stepped back up.

Like I felt better, more athletic, quicker, jumping higher than I had probably the last year I played actually professionally. And there was a four or five year gap in there where, you know, I was played some rec leagues when I first got back, but then I basically quit playing basketball for two, three years.

And, you know, did all this CrossFit stuff, working with Doug. And then here I can, I saw some actual, you know, results that I could really, you know, quantify because I know, I know what I played like the last time I played. And I would start, I mean, I was still quicker than most guys my size and I could jump pretty well for my height. But I was starting to notice that I'm not quite blown by that guy like I would have a year ago or two years ago. And then to kind of feel that again and like, you know, doing that against 20-year-olds as a 40-year-old basically and dunking on people and having fun with it was kind of

fun. Yeah. That's cool, man. Imagine what your 20-year-old self, how awesome it would have been if you had been introduced to really good strength and conditioning. Oh, God, yeah. I watched my brother. I have a younger brother. It's a half-brother who's 24 now, and he's 6'11",

and just watching the difference in training that he got in high school and they had speed development camps and stuff like that. He did all this stuff, and he's way more athletic than I ever was. I mean, he's 6'11", and he puts his elbow on the rim and runs like a deer. And it's impressive to watch, and I just didn't have those tools. And so it was kind of interesting to see that basically, you know, myself, in essence, the same prototype body have a completely different experience because of the training and nutrition and the knowledge that they have now versus you

know 16 years ago we have some kids in the gym now that are 15 you know between 15 and 18 years old and you know a lot of times people who are in their 20s will walk over to them and i mean it's probably happens like once a month like you don't even know what you have. Like you haven't, like you don't know. I mean, we got like this 15 year old that, you know, he's a, like a 77 kilo lifter and he's snatching body weight and cleaning jerks, you know, close to close to, uh, like he's strong, 90, 95 kilos. And, uh, you know, and he just started weightlifting like six months ago. Yeah. So he's, and he's like, he's started weightlifting like six months ago yeah so he's and he's like

he's like oh man i suck he's comparing himself to zach critch who's like who was who was an olympic hopeful like it's like it's like no dude just just relax yeah yeah patience for sure uh and you know we got these you know we've trained kids that went to play baseball or football or something out of uh out of high school, and they've gone on to college. Again, they always come back, and they're much more appreciative. When they're there, they don't really know what they have. They go and train with an entire team, these kids whose parents buy them one-on-one training with Doug and me.

And they're like, oh, this is cool. They go, and they get thrown in with the team. They're like, oh, I want to go back to it. I want to go back to that one-on-one training. Again, individualized training. It's going to be superior. But not everyone wants to pay for it. And I don't want to do it for everybody either.

It takes a special arrangement. Patience on both sides. Yeah, for sure sure i highly recommend it though if you can you can work it out yeah if you can do i think it's good to do for at least a period of time like uh i think i think most people would really benefit from like if they're crossfit or whatever get some individualized training to like really drill out those things you might be deficient at skills you may need to brush up on because if you're doing randomized training which i mean even if even if me as a

coach is i'm trying to plan as well as i can for an entire team it's almost random for the individual because they're not you know they can't make every training session or they, you know, I'm trying to worry about the needs of most of the people I'm programming for. And, you know, if you can't do muscle-ups, you know, I'm not programming to teach you muscle-ups type of thing. So I think it's good to even if you're doing CrossFit to shore up, you know, some short things, some things you might not be so good at, maybe for a year or something like that that could be super beneficial. Oh, yeah.

And, I mean, you look at the people that are competitive in the games, I can almost guarantee you that to a person, not one of them is strictly just doing CrossFit workouts for their training. They're doing very focused stuff to improve their weaknesses and improve their strengths. But, I mean, I've said that CrossFit is amazing for people just getting started with fitness or that are trying to get back in shape, things like that. But when you get to the point where you're trying to be competitive with CrossFit, CrossFit no longer cuts it.

I mean, you've got to train for CrossFit by doing other things. It turns in any other sport. Well, I mean, yeah, differentiate between what the sport of CrossFit is and CrossFit.com. Right. You know, CrossFit.com is going to be novel for anybody. Yeah. And after a while, you know, you might want to move on, even if you're just doing it for fitness

or if you're doing it, you know, to be a competitive CrossFitter. There are still some guys that compete in CrossFit games. That's what they do. They do CrossFit.com. It's kind of hard to believe because the volume is pretty low. You do one training session a day, and some days it's not a lot of volume at all. Then you're expected to do super high volume when you get to the games. I don't know if we're going to see more of that this year.

The first two or three years of the CrossFit games, it's definitely you know the first you know three year two three years of the crossfit games there's definitely a lot of dot comers in there and you know last year there wasn't that many and you're probably going to see even fewer and there's also a lot of coaches popping up um that are saying hey i'll program for you individually i know of a few different coaches you go to their websites and under what they offer, one of the things they offer is individualized training for games athletes. And more of the affiliates are doing it. I mean, like you do specific programming for your team, your competitors,

and it's different from the day-to-day people, right? But for the team. But it's for a whole group of people still. Yeah, but it's a different program than yeah your day-to-day crossfitters there's more skill work there's more volume i'm assuming that they're going to train for an hour and a half to two hours a day right we're going to program like two days on the weekends stuff like that stuff that i know that the average you know joe does not want right yeah there you go yeah so. So my point. Thank you.

Yeah. Yeah. Both sucker. We were talking about individuals though. Suckers. But I do say the same rules apply. Same rules do sort of dear kind CTP. The same rules apply.

Yeah. The individuals. I mean, again, you know, very few people are going to show up to their affiliate and do the workout of the day and then be at the games in California. Sure. You can't escape the same rules that apply to everybody no matter who you are in that you're going to do a wide myriad of things. And you're going to get pretty good at all those things. But to really push those things beyond just pretty good into very good,

you have to spend time and really work on pushing that needle forward, really making a mark, and then move on to the next thing. And carefully arrange those things so you can sort of stack those sequences so the whole gets better. Because after a while, you just can't keep doing everything some of the time and get better progressively. I mean, you adapt to what you do. Everything works, but not forever.

And that's a little bit different for everybody, but the overall rule applies to everybody. You're going to have to fiddle and change and make certain things more intense. Except for Rich. Rich is a freak, but I'm pretty sure he has a specific approach to what he's doing. He's just not doing random shit every day. I think most people are spending a period of time focusing on different skills throughout the year.

It's just the way it has to be. I can guarantee you, but I'd be willing to bet that he probably lays off as much volume in Metcons the month after the games. I don't think he's doing three Metcons a day, two days after the games. Not for long. We'll have to get him back on the show and ask him. I don't think he's doing three Metcons a day, you know, two days after the games. Not for long. We'll have to get him back on the show and ask him.

I think he just likes it. Yeah, he's sick. There's something wrong with him. But it's kind of like the boxer who eventually does get knocked out. If you keep up the patterns for long enough, it will get to you. So if you want to maximize the time you're at the top, you have to get smart, hopefully sooner rather than later. Yeah.

Three-day Metcons will not work forever. You want to maximize the time you're at the top. You have to get smart, hopefully sooner rather than later. Yeah. Three-day Metcons will not work forever. More than likely not. If anything, you'll just get fucking really tired of doing all that stuff and sacrificing everything else in your life for the sake of doing more pull-ups. At the very least, you realize, I have to do the things I like to do. At the very least, that happens. For sure. For sure. All right, let's wrap this show up. I'm going to go ahead and do a couple quick promotions that I probably should have done at the beginning of the show.

So don't forget to go to fitter.tv, F-I-T-R.TV. Check out what we got going on there uh there's all sorts of things you can click on and navigate it's a new page now right you fancified it i did actually i i spent all last week trying to figure out how to make the website better and then yesterday i don't know when i found how i was going to do it but i got a launch last night and it was a pain in my ass but it looks have you seen it yet if i lost it last night i'll pay attention it looks it looks like a hundred times better wouldn't you say yeah ctp's nodding yes it looks way fresher it looks clean on the scene with the pocket full of green you know what i'm saying yeah it definitely looks clean instead of – and it doesn't look like a cheap WordPress site. So check it out.

We got things moving. Fitter TV. I worked on it. Go there. F-I-T-R.TV. Yep. We have Barbell Shrug there and Technique WOD. So we had Technique WOD, which was a separate thing.

And my blog is supposed to be there, and yet no one ever wants to put it there. Sons of bitches. Let me come on your show and plug your stuff. Don't plug my stuff, bro. I see how it is. Who said we were going to put your blog on there? We talked about this like two weeks ago. Maybe three weeks ago. Because all this stuff feeds each other.

Whatever. Put his blog on there, Mike. See how it is, bro. See how it is. Come on to Fitter.TV soon. Chris Moore blog. We'll talk about it. I don't know. By the way,

if you search Chris Moore, comma, blog, sometimes mine is the first one. I beat out the famous author Christopher Moore.

If we move you over, that might not happen anymore. We need to talk about that. Oh, we found out the other day that if you just type it, you know, Google makes suggestions as you start typing a word.

If you type in the word barbell, the first suggestion Google gives you is shrugged. That's dope, man. Thank you to all the fans Googling our names. I was in Bledsoe's bedroom. What? I don't remember this.

Was this on Saturday? It was December in your bedroom slash office, whatever the hell that place was. That's an office. We did the first couple podcasts with. That's an office. Technically speaking. If you sell that house on the market, it's a bedroom, bro. I see what he's saying. I see what he's saying.

What about Barbell Shrugged? I had the idea. And look what it's become. Brilliant. X thousands. And now it's suggested on Google. X thousands of downloads slowly taking over the world. Yeah.

Lots of downloads. Anything you want to promote, Scott? No. Fitter.tv. Beans Hall. Yeah. MMA seminar or MMA training day. Doug's MMA seminar is now available on there.

We may do an unfit site eventually. I think you guys should do some unfit t-shirts. And then you should get with Doug and write a program. Or maybe you can do it. Write a program for people who are extremely tall. So, hey, these are the problems that tall people have. Put the program on the back of the shirt. These are common things that tall people have a problem with,

with CrossFit movements. Let's scale them this way. Let's draw a cool logo instead of shirts. And just do an e-book called Scott Scaled. The problem here is the same problem with why I can't find clothes at the big and tall stores. The market for that is infinitesimally small. I mean, there's maybe one other guy out there or two other guys out there

that are trying to CrossFit that are 6'10". And the chance that those two guys want to find my program and do something about it. But maybe you have some smaller dudes who just want to rep. Although I did see they had an interview with Michael Doliak at one of the regionals. The guy played in the NBA, and he's 6'11", and his wife is in the regionals.

But he cross fits. So that was kind of funny. I just actually saw that today. We should pursue a page or some sort of resource. Yeah, I think t-shirts. We are going to have barbell shrug t-shirts. If you suck it or beat up at various things, we can help you. If you're fat, tall, or beat up,

we can help you. I think the t-shirt's good. Yeah, unfit. Accommodating extreme genetics. Yeah. The shirt that you came up with is brilliant. Yeah, I like it. Alright, we're going to get out of here. Your fatness can be greatness.

We had a great conversation. I enjoyed having you, Scott. Thanks. It's fun being here. We'll have you on again when we talk about... Think of it? I don't know. Wait for it. T-shirts. I might not even be in the club anymore.

Argentine in basketball. Oh, yeah. Yeah, sure. Let's talk games next year when I'm in the top 50% in the Open. Yeah, for sure. That's a goal. That'll be... So your goal is to be top 50%.

When that happens, we'll have a show with champagne. Are you going to kick... Champagne for everybody. If that happens, are you going to kick yourself out of the club? No. Because that shirt is not unfit. No, because I'll still be wearing... I will forever be wearing a double XLR shirt, Chris.

I will never drop below that. That's true. I don't care. That should be on the back of your shirt. Forever doubleL. I'm just going to get really fit and like shredded six pack of obliques and shit and on his feet wearing a dress

for sure. Let's not make promises we can't keep, Chris. Alright, we're cutting out of here. Good show. Nah. Let's keep talking.