Barbell Shrugged - Everything We Know About Intermittent Fasting, Recovery, and Sports Performance Training in the UFC w/ Dr. Andy Galpin, Anders Varner, and Doug Larson - Barbell Shrugged #457

Episode Date: April 8, 2020

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That's where Paleo Valley is at. PaleoValley.com forward slash shrugged. Friends, Andy Galpin on the show. Get ready to laugh. Welcome to Barbell Shrugged. I'm Andrew's partner, Doug Larson. Dr. Andy Galpin on the show get ready to laugh welcome to barbell shrugged i'm andrew sparner doug larson dr andy galpin in the house we're doing this online coast to coast i feel so good about this wish we were all hanging out um are we really going to do some immune hacking we're going to talk about what's going on on the internet to start this thing off andy galpin is fired up we're definitely going to talk about i'm hitting my mute button if that topic comes up,

and I'll see you in 40 minutes. I saw the expression on your face. Are you sick of people getting outside of their lane and being like, yo, I've never said anything about immunity ever, but all of a sudden I know everything about immunity? I feel like that happened to a lot of people. Not really because, honestly, I don't even look at it. I feel like the internet is so boring right now that i just haven't used it in two weeks internet is boring right now so bored how do you feel about body weight workouts

body weight workouts positioned in every possible way you can create body weight workouts i told uh so it's funny i just gave um one of my UFC fighters yesterday, Tatiana Suarez, I gave her a bunch of gear, a bunch of barbells and dumbbells and shit. And I was like, dude, go home, make a post, and just show yourself training with all this equipment and just make a post like, hey, this is, you know, no excuses, guys. Like, everyone has this stuff. You can do it too.

Just like show off the fact that she's got, you know, $7,000 worth of training shit at her house and a giant garage, and she's a professional athlete. You're like, body weight only. Here's my Nico fucking trap bar. I love the post where it's like, this is the greatest body weight workout ever. And you look at it, it's like, I think the other person, yeah.

We've got a body weight bundle going out right now. All the body weight assets we got all at once. What are you going to do? All the gyms are closed. It's brutal out there. That's why I can't use Instagram. That's it. There's two things.

It's Corona or body weight workouts. I'm like, all right, I'm out. I'll see you in – How long until we all go back into the woods? How many months of this before – it's about a day. How many months before we just go back and we go, look, the last hundred years of growth have been incredible. We all understand that it's possible to live in Newport Beach with a giant house. There's a couple people that did it we saw

it happen but right now the best option is to go back in the woods we're gonna build a fort we're gonna get some dogs we're gonna make sure nobody attacks us be careful the coyotes they're smart smarter than us we're in their home right now speaking of that Doug, I feel like this is the perfect opportunity for you to start building forts with the boys. Oh, yeah. Totally. Dude, my father would eat that up.

Yeah. That is sick, for sure. What are you doing with your life? It's not like, like outdoor tree fort, like indoor, like couch cushion fort. Well, actually it well actually outdoor all of it but the

outdoors i was talking about just get some old lumber and pvc pipes or something and just like put it up against the fence in the backyard yeah plus you have to go to home depot which is like literally the biggest party in every town right now home Home Depot is the hottest transmission of spot for COVID two weeks ago or three weeks ago. If you went down to like new Orleans, you were at Mardi Gras, everyone got COVID now home Depot for sure. And I really feel like Doug,

if you take the five year old, four year old and two year old, put them outside with one adult who's half paying attention, give them a bunch of hammers and nails and stuff. Nothing can go wrong here. It's going to be awesome. Dad gave me a hammer. My five-year-old asks me for a hammer all the time

because he wants to practice hammering. And I'm like, hold on, buddy. I got to be out there. I feel like I've gotten it out of the garage. I'm going to go hammer. I'm like, whoa, back it up, kid. I know how this goes. It's's gonna take one kid to squirt you in the ear with a squirt gun before he's swinging his face um galpin what was going on before you got everything shut down what were you guys working

on i mean you guys did just get shut down i as all all projects at the lab are nixed until further notice yeah man it was actually a pretty tough one um just uh like research wise science wise and athlete wise it was just really bad timing for a lot of things we were in our last cohort of our of our big training study so we were doing doing a study on intermittent fasting and hypertrophy. And we had our last like 15 participants in. And some of them were even in the last week. And so I begged, I wrote the dean of provost, and I was like, look, these people have like three more days of a 10-week training study.

Can I just finish them? And they're like, nope nope like cut off tomorrow so we lost all those participants so that probably put us back probably a year or something wow yeah it really really hurts shouldn't you guys have been it's funded or was it just because too many people were in too close proximity what do you mean well i mean the project's already funded it's not like they have to give you more money but the school just shut down and it just said everything's cut yeah well the school and the governor was just like no more like no more university no more people on campus no more

research involving human subjects um you're just done so like they didn't even take excuses or there's just like a hard out you're all out so well for that study where well what were things like what was if you're in your last cohort you have a really good idea of kind of where things are going i would i would imagine yeah well no because the fact is this is blinded a bunch of ways. So you can't start kind of peeking at the results early because it takes the blinding away. Yeah. What's really cool about it is we were doing, in my opinion, by far the most comprehensive study of this type ever done. So we were taking muscle samples and looking at not only the muscle size, but the fiber type specific things. So the fast-tritch fibers versus slow-tritch fibers.

We were looking at what would be the molecular and genetic and cellular pathways as well. So what are the mechanisms behind how the muscle's growing, why it's growing, things like that, doing it differently between the two groups. So from the muscle's perspective, it was really in-depth. But then we also were looking at ultrasound of muscle size of a bunch of different muscles. So quads, hamstrings, upper body, all over the place. We're taking poop samples and looking at potential changes in gut microbiome. We're taking surveys of, did you sleep longer? Were you, did you have more bowel movement issues? Were you, did you have more energy throughout the day? Were you happier? Were you hung you hungrier did you was it harder picking a whole bunch of subjective uh how difficult was it to

to adhere to or not the diet was tracked so everything they ate for the entire time was accounted for and tracked with dietitians going through that and we also had um what else am i missing um uh of course markers of strength, muscular endurance, absolute strength, force production, all kinds of things like that. So we really try to take a broad approach to not only understand, okay, does one of the interventions make you grow more or less or does it hurt your growth? But not only past that is, was it easier to to do was it harder to do was it not that hard to do were we making a big deal of it so for me it was gonna answer so many practical questions as well as all the physiological questions that you won't typically get in a study like this and so i was really jazzed about that stuff um we can certainly talk more about those things but

in terms of results i can't really say anything we had men and women yeah so we're going to look what was the what was the fasting window that you guys were using so in this particular case we are comparing a 13 hour eating window so your traditional like six meals a day breakfast at 6 a.m and then your final meal is at 7 or 8 p.m um you know five to six to seven meals a day throughout that versus an eight-hour eating window. And so people call this a 16-8. But what was really also interesting about it is for the eight-hour eating window group,

they had to train fasted and stay fasted for at least an hour after training. So they typically train in the morning, so 9 a.m. or something like that. They don't get to start the window until an hour after training. So they typically train in the morning, so 9 a.m. or something like that. They don't get to start the window until an hour after that to really, really answer the question of, does the timing of your protein and your meals in general matter at all?

Does this all match for calories or not? Match for calories, matched for protein, matched for training time. And we track every rep, every weight is tracked in the system. And so it's also matched for actual tonnage and work performed throughout the eight weeks. They're doing workouts that you guys gave them? Prescribed workouts?

So everyone's doing the same thing? Yes, that's correct. And it's all done in our lab. So they all come in for all those systems in so they train in front of you the whole the whole length of the study that's right yeah every rep every workout the warm-up is is all done um so like i said we have uh measures on the barbells and dumbbells to track everything see what they actually accomplished um it's all noted every rep every weight and it's progressed so the the program was a little bit of auto-regulated, so it

increases every week or not based on how their body is responding. So that's matched as well. So what got you into wanting to do a study on intermittent fasting with hypertrophy? That's a very specific thing. Did you have some suspicion about what would happen? Were you trying to prove or disprove anything specifically but were you were you curious about this particular outcome for a special reason yeah um so it's actually a couple of things number one um i'm working with metal henselman's on this and he and i were together uh giving a talk maybe like three years ago or something just randomly put together and we were together giving a talk maybe like three years ago or something, just randomly put together.

And we were just talking for a while, and he's like, I'm really super interested in this. And I was like, okay, we were kind of kicking these things around. And then after a while, he came back and was like, hey, I think I can get a funding agency in Europe to support this if you want to do it. And then what got my interest, people are always talking about, I feel like I'll back up. I feel like the vast majority of nutrition conversations in the public sphere are assuming that your desired outcome is either on the pathology side, which is lose weight or aging or health, or it's hypertrophy. Right. And so so and i feel like everything else is always forgotten like there's no other nutrition goals other than getting as jacked as possible because you're 22 and you want to look great or like you're worried about 55 year olds isn't white and so my interest

like broadly is like what about everyone else with every other performance adaptation that you're trying for and so when you at the people talking about intermittent fasting stuff, it got so popular, and it is so popular. And I've never heard anyone discuss performance related things about it. And all the studies to date are have only been in weight loss cases. And even the ones that have used fairly young and trained people, they're, they're using intermittent fasting as a method to lose weight so my question you know just coming from the background we come from like what about if somebody uses it when they're trying to bulk is it going to hurt their ability to gain if they're trying to go through a bulking season is it not is it going to help it is it going to do better because there are actually some companies that sell products and sell online training things

that use it and i claim that it works better. Right. So you take these two groups and you, you have the same workouts and then you, you, um, match their calories where one group is eating 12 or sorry, 13 hours a day. And one group is eating eight hours a day. So as an example, if, if the, if the eight hour group ends up gaining just as much muscle mass as the 13 hour group, then people are going to think, okay, I can do intermittent fasting and still put on muscle mass. But then I'm curious if that, if that ends up happening, um, from a, from a practical standpoint, if someone says I'm only going to eat eight hours a day, but they're not, they're not in a study where they're being forced to eat as many calories as, as the other group, are they just naturally going to, to eat fewer

calories? Cause they only have eight hours to do it instead of 13 hours to do it. You know, many calories as the other group, are they just naturally going to eat fewer calories because they only have eight hours to do it instead of 13 hours to do it? You know, if you're trying to eat as much food as possible and you have 13 hours versus eight hours, it's just easier to eat more food with more time. Does that make sense? No, it 100% makes sense, actually. And it makes so much sense that this was one of my first questions going into the study. Because I think the exact same way, right? And so one of the reasons I wanted to set it up the way I did is to have that account. And that's why honestly, we're tracking every day how full they feel, how hard it was, you know,

scale of one to 10 to get in your calories today. And we track and we note the time they get it in. So we actually will have the answer. When your study gets finished, we will know if the people in the fasting group actually thought it was harder to get their calories in during that time or if they didn't. And I should also back up. This is a first study where we've actually put them in a caloric surplus. So they're in a 10% caloric surplus. So all the other studies have been doing right, Doug.

Like all the other studies were like, okay, does this help you when you're trying to cut calories out and my reaction was well what about people trying to increase does it make it so impossible for example one potential outcome as you basically alluded to is both groups gain equally but the fasting group you know reports that it was 50 harder to hit or more difficult or discomforting than the other group right or they won't or they'll say no it was not that hard at all or it was equally hard so right that's why those survey questions are going to be so important because we don't know how it's going to turn out but that that's why another reason i was so excited about this is because we're going to be able to answer the questions like that.

Because one of the things you're getting to is that fires me up about research a lot is, is people don't put research into context because they don't think of things like that. Right. And then that's so important to understand when you're actually going to give recommendations to people is that's what we have to do. Like one example I'll give you on that is,

you know, most people think about randomization. So you're going to do a study intervention. You're going to be in the fasting group or the not fasting group, and we're going to randomize you to one of the two groups. In other words, you don't get to pick which group you're in, right? I actually think that's the worst model ever for studies like this because people don't make nutrition or training interventions randomly.

They do it because they think one's going to work yeah so my next studies and pretty much the rest of them that i'll do for things like this they're not going to be randomized but they're intentionally going to let people pick which group they want to be in so we can factor out motivation we can factor out belief that it was going to work we can factor out all those things that's all that model doesn't work if you're trying to do like a blinded study on whether or not a treatment works to cure corona or not but for what we do this is exactly how i believe yeah like motivation matters a tremendous amount and so um i mean yeah that's what i'm actually really excited to do next is to do these intentional like hey here are the two or three

different groups pick the one you want to be in. So we're all matched for motivation. Now let's get after it and see, maybe it doesn't matter if you just, you know, the 5% difference that you would get from the, from the different intervention is watch out. But the fact you'd like it better.

Genuinely being more motivated may have a massive impact on the actual results too. I remember when Pekulski put out his keto muscle building, and I was like, those don't sound right. But one, who's going to argue with Pekulski? Like, dude's jacked. He's got to know something. But I just remember looking at it going, I don't –

but maybe someone's going into the gym with that extra 5% motivation now, and that turns out to be the most important piece. What kind of high school football coach? I was gonna my high school football coach on that note used to say, the best workout is the one you believe in. That's exactly what we're talking about. Yeah, that's not 100% true. There are better and worse physiological ways to train. But the your belief that it is a good workout or not a good workout really factors in heavily. Yeah, one of the things we also did is we tracked all these, we have been tracking these folks' experience with intermittent fasting and or if they typically train in the morning

fasted, if they typically train in the morning after breakfast, if they typically train in the afternoon. And so we have all those data as well. So when we go back, and we're going to probably try to parse out the highest responder versus lowest and stuff, and we'll see if it's maybe because the people who responded best on the intermittent fasting diet are those who already were doing intermittent fasting or the opposite. Yeah, I would love to know the results on just how people feel

about doing the intermittent fasting. I feel like so many people that I end up talking to that try it, it just fits life so much easier when you don't have to worry about eating six times a day. Yeah, I would say that wouldn't be true for what we're seeing. Really? Wow. I just have a hard time eating that much. I started doing it when I owned the gym, and it was very much I would have been an awesome test subject because I would have been highly motivated to train, not a lot of time, up at 6 a.m. every day.

And then I didn't eat until 1 just because it was like 6 to 9 personal training, more classes, a little bit of business. Then one day it's like almost training time you're like i need coffee and food let's go like that's that was why i started doing it was like how do i perform with this life that i live that doesn't allow me to eat three meals before noon uh how does what what was the like actual training program what did it look like was there a big conditioning element because it would be cool to see how it like trains into your fighters and stuff like that no no conditioning at all because we're trying

to get him as much hypertrophy as possible yeah so it's four days a week i'm sorry go ahead finish uh four days a week and it's kind of a pseudo upper lower split it's but basically they're doing uh like day one is say rdls and a bunch of upper body pulling and stuff and day two would be squatting effectively it's it's two days and then they repeat those two days twice in the week uh and it is again auto progress based on how their body is responding so it gets heavy af and it just doesn't go away yeah um because it's four days a week and they're they're getting everything hammered as much as they can so it's it's pretty brutal yeah what are you guys tracking for sleep okay i was gonna say on the surveys regarding the um the intensity of the training and you said they're, they're in the lab. And so you're monitoring all sets and reps and whatnot for,

for the group that's, that's training fasted versus the other group that gets to eat some food before they train. Is there, is there a way to tell like this group's doing more repetitions than the other group with the same amount of weight, especially towards the end of the training session? Yep. All that's tracked. We can't get, we don't, we don't look at those numbers right now.

So that's blinded right now. So what will happen is once we finish the study, we'll unblind, and we will look at those numbers. Yeah, but those are all tracked because what happens is there's kind of multiple layers of people on the team. And so me being, you know, the top, if you will, I don't have access to any of those numbers for the people right now. Only the coaches have those numbers. And it's kind of impossible to blind the coaches from what, which group that the people are in. Cause you know, like if somebody's in there at four o'clock in the afternoon training, it's like, well, okay, you're probably not the

fasting group. But even the ones that are nine o'clock, they're talking about, I just had breakfast or whatever. So it's kind of hard to blind them, but the people that are taking the, say ultrasound images and the people analyzing the ultrasound images and the knee, we're all blinded to all that stuff. So the answer to your question is, yeah,

we will know if, uh, we will know the repetitions, we will know the weight. And from there we'll calculate the tonnage, um, on all that stuff when we finish and we'll do it upper body versus lower body, et cetera. So was it based off of their prior strength as well?

Yeah. So what were the, um, assessments that you guys put forward on it? Yeah. I forgot. We also did a four compartment model for body composition. So this includes a bod pod and a bunch of other fancy equipment, a bunch of, so we did back squat, bench press, one rep max testing. Then we did basically as many reps as possible at bench at 50% of your one rep max or something like this. Same thing with squats and leg press and leg extensions. So that's all done prior to it's about a week and a half of pre-testing kind of separated by some days biopsies stool samples and then they start the training and then what we're actually doing is we

did a biopsy right before and they do their first workout and they do a biopsy an hour after that and two hours after that so we're gonna look at the acute molecular response to that training session and we'll see if that molecular response actually predicted their long-term outcome or not and if it changed between the groups so that's all that that's all factored in there as well so then the other program is based on their strength and this is how they do uh you mentioned earlier where did you guys bring uh dr jimmy bag bagley is that his last name bagby bagley um down for the gut health stuff that you guys were working on so last time we were up at usf he that was like really a part

of his thing is finding specific strength training programs based off gut health, which is really cool. Yeah. Well, he's actually helping us for sure. Um, broach that relationship. And we worked with a company, but that company just went out of business.

Wait, because of Corona. So, uh, no, because I think their CEO was, uh, laundering money or something.

It was part of bang. I knew it. So energy. But so they sent us a whole bunch of storage kits. So we've been storing all the samples anyways, and we hadn't sent them back to them for analysis. So it's actually totally fine because we're keeping all the samples in our freezer,

which is what you do. And then we're actually going to send them out to Sarah Campbell at Rutgers and she'll do all the analysis. So yeah, Jimmy's helping us with that. And that's a whole other part of the study that it's just going to take a long time to get into, but it's really interesting. Yeah. How far did he get in, in the gut bacteria? Like in that, in that study, Did anything really definitive come out of there? Yeah, he still, he just had another paper, I think, come out a couple weeks ago on it.

You'd have to ask him more directly what the things were, but that field is moving for sure. It's really crazy. Yeah. I feel like the microbiome stuff has kind of hit its peak, though, as far as pop culture goes, at least. I used to hear about it constantly, like every day, and I feel like the microbiome stuff has kind of hit its peak, though, as far as, like, pop culture goes, at least. Like, I used to hear about it constantly, like, every day.

And I feel like it's been less in the last six months or a year. Smart people showed up. When it was only in Encinitas, California, everyone knew about it. Once it left Encinitas and got into a lab, the fucking smart people showed up with big words. It was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is past kombucha way too many syllables people yeah you know that's funny because that's pretty much exactly right yeah when it's hanging out when you're down at encinitas oh did you get your did you go to the

coffee shop and get your kombucha it's good for the gut no no no not in the lab that doesn't work every time i drink kombucha i'm like how much good stuff is really in here? It's still carbonated fizzy water. It's still got a bunch of sugar in it. Am I doing more harm than good? I always want to know, but I don't know how to figure it out. You're virtue signaling way more than you're helping your gut, for sure. It's delicious.

Which brings a lot of value to your life. It tastes great. I have found over the years it is fantastic to mix with bourbon. Fantastic. And I do that pretty regularly. We've all made it our own and handed it to somebody and then told

the story of our SCOBY as if it was a child of ours for sure. You know, we just had to uh so we killed our scoby we put it to sleep because natasha got sick for the last eight months uh she hasn't changed our kombucha thing out for a while so we went to change it out and it was from september and i was like oh my god so we cleaned it out and we uh we put our first new kombucha batch in this week beautiful solid i'm very happy i'm looking forward to the delivery

up and smashing sauerkraut lately sauerkraut i feel good about it's like if sauerkraut doesn't have a lot of of good bacteria i don't care it's still just like a bunch of cabbage like i feel like there's no potential damage and there's potential upside. I eat sauerkraut constantly. It tastes good. It's a great topping for any set of meat and vegetables. I could have more right now. I am so anti-sauerkraut.

It's ridiculous. Really? Why? I'm just not a fan of the flavor or taste at all. Dude, I used to get this. I forgot what it was. It was something in dill garlic and dill maybe something like that it tastes like it tastes very light and refreshing compared to regular sauerkraut and i used to fucking smash that with uh like hard salami and cheese like this is like a snack yeah um debatably a cheat meal depending on how you look at it like but it was just

something that i that i love to eat it's really good 2500 calorie snack yeah oh yeah i mean you can eat like take take a hard dried salami any really sharp cheese sauerkraut and then like cherry tomatoes and an avocado and just just put it on a plate like a uh like a charcuterie type board with i don't really have any like crusty hard breads with it or anything but dude it's it's an awesome snack like i used to they used to be like one of the things i would i would eat like uh late in the evenings if i was just like having low cravings yeah it's like 10 grams of fat per per bite it's awesome yeah i mean if you're trying to put on weight like it's it's all it's all dense high calorie stuff yeah it's like i just did my favorite meathead trick

while you were doing that like okay if you eat one of the one serving of the salami it's like six and six yeah just calculate all that it's one of my favorite things. People lay out their meals. Dude, if you get through this intermittent fasting thing, the study next year when the world comes back to being normal-ish, are you going to move this into all of the other faddish diets that people are super excited about? I really want to know about the carnivore diet. I really want to know about carnivore. I've actually almost gone off the deep end to try it,

but I don't know how I'd approach that in my household. You know what? I just could not be less interested in the carnivore diet. I find it's not even remotely appealing. You're going crazy? I don't, like, it's just so boring to me. I'm like, oh my God. And I'm actually not interested at all.

Hold on, now I want to know why is intermittent fasting so much different? I assume they're relatively the same, not diet, but conceptually the same. What? Well, conceptually in that, like you're limiting your your window of eating or you're limiting the type of food you're eating and why would carnivore be yeah like you're just changing out one restriction for the other yeah i guess but uh you're allowed to say

you're not interested but yeah i mean I'd say that's the bigger thing. I don't, I don't find it appealing in the slightest. I don't feel like, you know how when, uh, you're like, we're at watch world star hip hop or something and you're like, Oh yeah, you should watch this. You definitely just want to keep watching the guys get knocked out and their head bounced off the concrete. Right. I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you know what he's talking about?

Worldstar hip hop. Yeah. Worldstar hip hop is like, uh, it's kind of like a catch all at this point. Yeah. It used to be like strippers and rappers in clubs. Right.

That was like when it got its start and now it's everything it's just basically like any any viral video or any video that would just go super viral and they'd go there so you know like all kinds of street fights and people getting knocked out and you know like all kinds of crazy shit now so anyway i'll use a different analogy more like say you sit down and watch the Bachelorette with your wife or something. Guilty. I'll go with that. Oh, I hate The Bachelorette.

Oh, I hate it. And then you're like, but you actually want to watch it every weekend, right? And so there's like guilty pleasure, right? No. Yeah. This is the way I'd put carnivore. Or it's not even that to me. Like some people right now are like, oh, carnivore is so dumb.

Ha ha ha. But they can't turn away. They find it so just appealing. And I'm like what the hell are you like uh just not interested at all i could not find it less appealing so i was not into it at all i'm not like super into it i just feel like it's a relatively it's such a simple concept and i feel like it would fit my life outside of the fact that I'd have to go present to my family like, okay, we're only going to eat this thing. And then I'd be shamed in my house, and then there'd be no way that it would actually work.

Okay, I'll ask it. But Mark Bell is so excited about it that I feel like I respect him in a way that he would, I don't know. He's very excited. I love Mark and I love Chris. I love him a ton, but I just, again, I'm not, I don't find it interesting at all. It would be the same as if someone came up and said, I'm going to eat an all avocado diet. You'd be like, sweet Dave. Awesome. Like why? Cause bro, it's's just so good i do love avocados a lot but and then like everyone got excited about it and it took off and went viral

you're like yeah this isn't really that interesting at all this isn't sustainable or like what i think the the appeal is that it's so over the top simple. All I do is eat this one food. I can wrap my head around that. That makes sense. I know if I'm doing it right or doing it wrong. Did I eat steak for my meal or did I not eat steak? Yes, no.

It's very binary. People love binary things. If you can take all the nuance out of something and just say, just do this one thing, there's a certain percentage of the population. Usually I'd say, I'd say on the whole, usually less experienced people. Certainly there are some experienced, very experienced,

smart people that are trying this, but it's, it's such a big fad right now. But I think most people aren't going to be nutrition experts that want to do the carnivore diet. It's going to be people that like, they want to make a change and they've tried a million things and they want to do something that's super super simple and they latch on to something that is just easy to comprehend yeah for sure you know they probably

can't get results with it like anything else because they are restricting themselves in some way and so it's like every diet that has amazing before and after pictures it's like they're all essentially cutting calories one way or another intermittent fasting carnivore diet you're going to eat less fewer calories and you're going to lose weight the the the other two things i have on that is uh you know i find way more interesting or like wow i want to hear this dude more is that up that interview you guys did uh with what's that guy's name that old super guy who only ate fresh raw green or fresh raw vegetables? Oh, Fred Bishi. Bishi, there you go. Fred Bishi.

I find... Okay, I'll back up. If you ask me what's better, what am I more interested in, meat or vegetables? Of course, I'm picking meat 9,000 times in a row over one thing. But I find someone like that's diet much more interesting. Not because i feel like

oh that's the right approach or i think just i'm like man i want to hear more about that i want to hear i think also probably the thing that puts me off about the meat not again not mark uh or chris but um several other folks that are getting more attention in that space um like they say so many things completely off the reservation where i just don't believe them i don't give them any space to believe the credibility intent i don't believe that they are even remotely being honest i think they 100 are after attention or a movement so like there's certain things that you can say where i'm like all right you've lost the ability for me to give you promotion by talking about you and doing interest and i'm not going to do it like you're clearly not in this for the best interest of people so yeah like well if we backed it down on the spectrum one level and you go to the keto

thing is that interesting to you not really man you just know carbohydrate no I feel like the carpet the keto questions have been answered for the most part in fact if you look at the keto people they have all basically reverberated back to where we all were at the very beginning right which is like tell my mom that downstairs right now just rolled in with like seven jars of cream cheese I'm like please tell me this isn't really what you think is going on, mom. You can't snort cream cheese in the kitchen and think you're doing it right. Which is like, I'm going to make the, I'm going to make, watch, wait till I make my key lime pie for you later. That's keto.

Yeah, sure. Well, it's like now, if you just pay attention long enough, it regresses to the mean, right? Yeah. And it comes back down. It's just like, Oh, okay.

Maybe, you know, 12 pieces of bacon, four pounds of saturated butter, pure butter a day is not great. We're all, we're all like cholesterol is at 6,000. Oops.

Yeah. That's really one part when, um, that does annoy me about Mark stuff is when when he goes to In-N-Out and he's got like seven patties with 14 pieces of cheese. Like you can't eat seven flying Dutchmen at once and then tell me you're doing the right thing. You're just like a steak. It's not interesting. I don't ever see myself being like, you know what? I think eating

Wendy's all fresh, never frozen patties only all day is how I want to approach the rest of my life. Yeah. This is not interesting at all. Yeah. Stop reading stupid stuff, Anders. Sorry.

How do you guys eat at home? You're stuck at home right now, so you're eating all your food at home. Like, what's, like, a normal day look like for you and Natasha and your family? Well, you know, we've got a decent amount of deer still left in the freezer. So that's helping. Yeah. So, well, actually, you know what's been rad? Number one, I just used rad. So i heard that pretty rad that's rad but this is proud of you two weeks out of school yeah i know the 80s you

can do that 80s 90s you're living that socal life 23 year old hipster is trying to sound cool like that was a word from i grew up on you're currently fun employed you have nothing to do near the beach you're pretty much rad you're living a rad life um being in southern california actually there's a lot of high priced fancy and a lot of them restaurants well there's actually a couple in the area that they're closed but they're they're trying to get rid of all their stock inventory and so it's kind of like um you know trying to support your local restaurants and things like that so what they're actually doing is selling off their all their produce and their meat basically at wholesale cost wow so yesterday i got a pound of wild caught salmon, like $15 I think.

I got two pounds of uncut, I think it was 20 day aged bacon for $5 a pound. And then I got three, I got a New York strip, a ribeye and T-bone, 45 day aged for about a dollar an ounce. So, you know, like they were like 20 ounces steaks for 20 bucks. Yeah. So I took those and I just bought a pellet grill.

And so I've been, I've been smoking those things all day on the pellet grill. And that's that voice. That's what's up. Yeah. Oh my God. And you do a nice little butter reverse sear holy moly so that's been my day for the last couple days i did a tri-tip oh my god

you make your own cherry uh natasha does yeah i'm all about you just you just said tri-tip and let me tell you something when they take tri-tip out of your life when you move to the East Coast and you just go to Costco assuming tri-tip is going to be there, it is the most rude awakening to realizing you are no longer in Southern California when you go, okay, well, what am I going to do for dinner three nights a week? What am I supposed to eat? There's no tri-tip. The butcher shops have been awesome right now

so just getting a much you know non-deer meat from there as possible but like right now i'm doing um i got some uh neck roast so i'm doing some deer neck roast that'll be coming out but the normal day to actually answer your question doug is uh some sort of combination of uh probably meat or something ish thing like i did some leftover ribeye this morning um with some eggs and some sourdough bread and um oh making um i make most mornings i'll make banana pancakes for tatiana but when you just put the egg in banana, smash them up, and cinnamon nutmeg. How that fries in a pancake, I still don't get it.

But I don't want to know the physics. Just let it ride. Dude, it's so good. I do it twice a week. My kids smash banana and egg pancakes. Yeah, it's amazing. We call them banana pancakes. They are banana pancakes, but they're not banana pancakes like most people think banana pancakes because they're better i think they're better

than regular pancakes i eat regular pancakes and i'm like i'm like i got that like like that flower coating on my mouth and i and i don't like it at all but banana pancakes which is bananas and eggs mixed together one banana mixed with two eggs and then you can scale that up is delicious yeah it's a perfect formula too it's so easy i still can't believe it every morning like this is so delicious yeah because the kid for some reason just decided she doesn't want to eat eggs anymore i'm like all right put with the banana throw the you know you throw it in there and then she thinks it's a pancake so she's never even had a real pancake of any kind so this is like the only thing she knows yeah so uh we'll do that and then um i like to eat frequently i don't measure time or anything like that but it's the same standard approach that most folks would do where it's some sort of meat ish or something like that

and then you know fresh fruit throughout the day and lots of different vegetables and lots of amazing ways of getting fat in so i made some i made a lot of deer sausage uh so i'll smash on that i'm gonna actually try to smoke make some summer sausage here soon out of that stuff but a lot of deer sausage and a lot of vegetables and things like that. So, and then whatever Natasha makes now that she's back to not being sick, but pretty much she's going to let her cook everything from now on, which is great. I had the moment of the,

my bucket list item that I never knew was on my bucket list. I was an official judge for a venison chili cook-off at the largest hunting gathering in Raleigh, North Carolina at the Dixie Deer Classic. They were trying to create a way for hunting to be seen as less redneck. And they did that. This is, like, from the guy that organized the whole thing. And they were like, we need to talk about like food quality

and cooking and how this is like kind of like the meat eater show right i was like well let me dude i can eat i don't even know what this is going to taste like but this is bucket list that i never knew was there and it was so phenomenal i've never i just like rolled out of there they just line up chili it's like free for all. Tell us what you like the best. It all just turned into one big delicious flavor by the end. We just made chili this weekend, actually.

When's your next hunting trip? Is it deer season coming up? Is it summer? Oh, no. It's usually October. I might go and get a cow elk in August, but, uh,

depending on how Corona sort of shakes out. So you can get to that. You're going to Wyoming. No, there's actually a no for the cow. We'll just go to central Oregon. So there's an outfitter out there and it's like two grand. It's basically,

I don't even call it a hunt. It's just a harvest. Um, but the herd's way too big there and he's got to take out a bunch of cows. So he's like, well basically just sell you up there. And so you'll probably come home with, you know,

neighborhood of 250 pounds, eight, maybe up to 300 pounds, you know, for two grand. It's pretty, pretty still. I actually,

I actually think it's less that counts like tags and tip and travel and all that stuff so i might go do that just to stock the freezer and then uh we put in for tags for montana um again this year so i'll try to do a mule deer montana if i don't get that i think we're going to go to northern idaho to do whitetail um and then the nice part about about Idaho is if you get the same tag, you can go bear or you can go wolf up there as well. We'll see if we can get some whitetail.

We didn't come close to seeing a bear last year. We need a serious bro troop. I want to go hunting so bad. It's pretty awesome. That was the side benefit is I got to meet hunters as well friends we're gonna take a quick break to talk about our sponsors over at organifi i've been

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and use the 10% off code shrugged10. That's p3om.com forward slash shrugged. Use the code shrugged10. Back to the show, my friends. Do you know the I was standing next to a super famous

hunter guy. I had no idea that he was doing it with me. Of course, I can't remember his name now, but it's like standing next to Brett Contreras and hunting. I had no idea. What's going on with your

fighters? They're clearly not fighting right now and they were probably prepping for fighting and now you transition into what well I gotta actually hang up here and whenever we're done I gotta call another one back in Arizona

and we're gonna figure out what she's gonna do we're in Texas now most of them are just on hiatus. But, you know, what Tatiana Suarez, she's still recovering from a neck injury, so it's not the worst thing for her. And we actually got lucky because we just spent about two or three weeks doing a bunch of pre-testing for her and just finished up when this all stuff started.

So we actually have a really good baseline for what she's at right now and i was able to send her a bunch of gear and she's down here so she trains with me uh trains with me all week in person so it's not that big i've been working with her for maybe six months i know a lot about her and how she trains and how she moves and stuff so coaching her remotely is going to be pretty easy. And then the other one that's probably of interest is Brian Ortega, and that's a little bit different because we were really close to getting the main event fight booked, and we had a bunch of offers. And then this stuff popped up.

So he's actually funny because prior to me, he basically had very limited strength conditioning background, and all he ever did was what he called prison workouts, which is what it means. He just did a bunch of sips and push-ups and stuff. As soon as this happened, I was like, bro, two weeks of prison workouts.

He's all like, hell yeah. He's so excited about it. He's jammed. He's doing push-ups all day in his backyard. He's wearing a beanie. He's like, he's crossing it on there. Do you get to sit cage side for these fights? It just depends on who's fighting.

So like with Ortega, he's a main event guy, so he gets an extra corner man and then he gets a lot of pull for getting people down there. But if you're a seventh fight on the card, then unless you're in the corner um which some do but it just depends on the team so i was about 75 rows back at ufc raleigh whatever number

that was and let me tell you my face the entire i had never been around something so intense and so brutal. I thought someone was on that card. Maybe. I don't know. It was the only one I had ever been to. And, like, even watching it on TV, I sit there with this, like, cringing face. I, like, notice myself, like, ah. Like, oh, I felt that. But being there, it was a billion times more intense.

I can only imagine if I had sat, sat like even one row closer that it would have just been even like never knew how hard those people got. When you hear a fist hit a face from 75, 80, like I was in like the first level and not in the top but like i'm far enough away that it sounds like somebody dropping their head on the concrete like from a high distance like one shot and then they just they take it and they're like right back in it you're like the leg kicks too every time they kick the leg i was just like that charlie horse is gonna be there for three months. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was gruesome just being, I don't know if I can go back.

I'll definitely take a ticket if anybody's got one, but, um, it's pretty wild. I've gotten to be a part of some pretty big cards. Like, um, I was there for when Khabib fought Connor for the first time. So I had a – Scotty Holtzman was on that card.

So being there. But honestly, the crazier part was being behind the scenes all week. Yeah. Going to weigh-ins and going to meetings and going to check-ins and all that stuff. And just all the things that went into that card, especially because of the pandemonium that was going on there. Yeah. That was the weirdest thing and then being you know for the weigh-ins and they're just being whatever it was 25 000 well there's something for the weigh-ins and it was just complete chaos there's fights going on in the stands all over the place and i'm like this is a play and you're

like yeah picking out from behind the corner and you you're like, damn. Yeah. And, you know, Manny Pacquiao, Thurman, fight this summer had a guy fight a world title fight on that one, too. So being there and being on the ring for that was pretty crazy. So there's a handful of wild ones that I got to be part of. It is different. Yeah. Well, it made me think when i was in there because i i i didn't know how brutal this it's like watching it on tv is 60 of the real brutality

and i was so far away that i imagine like i said as you get closer the like the actual beating that these people go through but like how long does it take to get their bodies back to a functioning state where it's just okay we can get into the gym and maybe do like swing a kettlebell again yeah honestly it really really depends um sometimes it's monday and they're back i'm moving and sometimes like you're right you're like two months later that thigh still is really swollen i mean doug could probably talk about all the fights he got into that how long it took him to recover sure it really depends as andy said like some fights like you walk away and you're like nothing happened at all and

actually i feel since i tapered for the fight and barely trained all week and then i had a submission in 90 seconds i feel like i could just go fight right now in this moment there's no recovery needed whatsoever like i had multiple fights where i didn't take any hits at all but then some fights like like one fight i had like like my eye blew up like my whole eye i had no white in my eye my entire eye was blood red and i had a black eye and i was like all fucked up for for a while um that didn't really keep me from training but like you get you get things like that but just they last you know for for weeks or months um you know after my fourth fight I had to have

surgery on my shoulder so that one you know I was out for like a year um you know after my sixth fight I dislocated my hip and so I was out for another year uh but no matter what like you you typically can do something it's like it's just like any training you do now like if you hurt your shoulder there you have another shoulder on the other side and you have you have all your core muscles you got both your legs and your neck and forearms like you can go train so many other things like we're we're fitness and weightlifting experts like we we know exactly how to how to train around injuries. Like if that thing is broken, then you can still do this X, Y, and Z to still make some progress without exacerbating any injury that you currently have. Yeah.

And most of them don't like – they're kind of like us. Like they don't like – they don't want to just come off a fight and then do nothing for two months. Yeah. So they want to get back to moving and something. And they've all figured out that, you know that three or four day mark it actually is better to just get moving and even if it's getting in the ice bath or sauna or just walking around yeah you know playing golf or something that they they tend to want to get moving pretty quickly because they're used to

you know training for 18 sessions a week for 10 weeks. And then it's just a big lifestyle change. So now all of a sudden I'm like, I've got nothing to do and I've got this paycheck. I better keep myself active before I make some bad decisions. All of a sudden I have a lot of friends around me and nothing to do. Amazon Prime, click, click, click. Oh, shit. Better stop doing that. click click click oh my gosh uh i i i it just it it blew my mind how brutal that sport is i i

couldn't imagine getting punched in the face like there was one guy i wish i could remember who was fighting i i was texting doug like immediately after because i knew he was watching it at home and the guy had like a four inch reach maybe two inch i don't know what it was but the reach difference was so different that in order for the guy with the short arms to get inside he had to take two shots directly to the nose for 12 straight minutes he got he got like two jabs right to the nose just to potentially land one shot so maybe he's actually making his shot at 60 which i imagine is probably a really high number he's taking an ungodly number of his face was flat by the end of the night like you could just see from where i was at that it was and i just couldn't

i was just like man how do you how do you even the next day get up and get going like it seems just beyond brutal yeah it ain't an easy way to make a living that's for sure no podcasting is fucking rad be an entrepreneur way Way better. Yeah. We just take beatings in different ways. Dude, when did you start doing the, yeah, go ahead. Are you structuring all the workouts and doing their nutrition or just one of the other? That's exactly what I was going to ask. Yeah. It totally depends on the athlete. So it's a little bit different. The question, the answer is yes for some of them.

And the ones I brought up are the ones that are, that's the case. So Brian and Tatiana right now and a few others, but those are the more high profile ones. Yeah. It's literally everything from what time they wake up, what are they eating and the supplements, the mobility stuff they're doing, the training, all what they're doing outside of that. It's really full control over those folks. Others like, you know, Morgan King, obviously she has her, you know, actual real-time strength coach,

Spencer. So I don't handle any of her strength training, but it's all her nutrition and her other stuff until her, you know, Olympic dreams got taken away a couple of weeks ago. But yeah, so it just, it depends on the fighter. Um, I mean, some of the MMA fighters have full-time strength coaches too. And I just do nutrition or I just have the oversight. So it really depends on the athlete. It's different for all of them. The baseball players, some of them have strength coach, some don't. So I do it for some and it, you know, so it's different for all of them.

Dude, she got her hair cut and everything fuck dude she was in valkyrie mode man yeah clean yeah to have trained that hard yeah for so long like to train that hard for so long and then the olympics are are months away and they're like oh no we decided not to not doing it dude it's gotta she was on uh she was on tuesday a tuesday she was going to columbia for pan ams and monday is when they pulled the cord and it was like but she'll probably like doing it in 2021 it's not like they're postponing it four years she's just on a five-year cycle now like yes her volume is probably very high right now when it doesn't need to be, but she could still extend that out 12-ish months.

But the hard part is we still don't know. It's not exactly clear of who's going to get to go. Yeah. That's the hard part. So right now we plan on pan ams you know being the last champ and going hitting a number there and you know she was very likely to break american records or come you know go at them real hard anyways you don't you never know but um i mean then they do that that comp doesn't happen so we don't even know if they're just gonna like

take um you know take Jordan right now and just give her the spot, which would not be the worst or most unfair thing ever. Jordan's awesome. Or if they're going to say, okay, here's two or three more qualification meets prior. No one knows. So that's the big problem is she's sort of drawing dead because she just doesn't even know if she's going to get a chance to go after it or not. So that's the frustrating part for her.

Yeah. It's brutal. go after it or not so that that's the the frustrating part for her yeah you know it's brutal so other folks it sounds like they they're saying that the ones that are qualified are going to go but not every sport's qualified yet so i think that it's just tough with the olympics because outside of the fans and the amount of like if you financially on whatever country that is it's so brutal like yeah just it's gonna just send your country into a massive massive problem um but for the athletes every single athlete if you handed them like a vial of covid and you were like drink this and we'll do the olympics all of would drink it. They all want to go. None of them don't want to be, they don't give a shit. They just want to go play the game at the highest

level, which they've been training for. So, you know, I gotta, I gotta, I'm kind of changing gears here, but I've been thinking about this for like a week. Uh, I want to know your answer for a sympathy game here. So who do you have more sympathy for? So you take an athlete like a UFC fighter and say they're making 30,000 a fight plus 30,000 if they win. Okay. And so this person on a good year might make 200 K on a bad year might make 30. Okay. Uh, now they don't get to fight right now. They're, they're in lockdown. So these people whose entire career based on fighting, they're going to sit around. although they do this job but you mentioned earlier anders clearly has a massive physical toll that no other sport has their window of opportunity is

extremely short they only get to fight a couple of times a year in the best case scenario and they're not making that much money so those people say, say, lose out on $100,000 in potential income or something. Or you can be like the baseball players who are getting some of them $18 to $20 million a year, and that's going to go from $18 to $20 million to zero. Do you feel bad for the millionaire who already has $150 million in his pocket,

but he's going to miss out on $20 million this year? Or do you feel bad? Who's who already has 150 million in his pocket, but he's going to miss out on 20 million this year? Or do you feel bad? Who's the worst to be right now? I actually feel worse for Morgan. I feel worse for the athletes that – You have such – you know, that was such a – oh, my God. You just want the sympathy points. Morgan, call me.

You don't feel bad for the millionaires? Let's wait. No. You have 20 million? I think that in a way – well, well yeah i definitely feel bad for them but they should not be affected by this if somebody hands you 18 million dollars you should be living at a level where you go look this shit's gotta last forever i got five years to make it rain and then i don't have to ever then i can go hunt and fish with galpin forever we don't have

to do anything but i feel bad for the fighters because that window i feel bad for the athletes that don't make money always i always always side with them because they've got – at some point, all of the sports become a business, but whatever your gift is that you can become the best at, you may be stuck with a gift that never pays money. If you could throw a baseball 98 miles an hour, you could be a millionaire. If you can clean and jerk 500 pounds, you can still be broke as fuck.

And most of them are. And if Morgan doesn't release her 12-week snatch program, there's a good chance she's broke as fuck forever. And all she ever wanted to do was go win and stand on that stage in Tokyo, and you can't do it because someone took it from you. And now, I mean, if you asked her right now, how soulless would it be to put your online program out, she'd be like, get away from me.

I'm an athlete. But where does she go? There's no way she's doing it. I even joked with her at the games when we interviewed her. There was no way. Like, what is – you're Wes Kitts. Yeah. Is Wes Kitts marketable?

I think so because I'd like to hang out with him. But like, is he going on the Wheaties box with like power abs, fucking huge, like, like a,

like an ab like that, like, needed circumference ab. Obviously, your answer is the correct one. But I can't get past going, yeah, edent, circumference, ab? Obviously, your answer is the correct one. But I can't get past going, yeah, this dude is going to lose $20 million, though. I almost, how rad would it be? Oh, my God.

$20 million because there's a flu virus going around. Yeah. And these are kids who, like, just had dreams and stuff too like they're not yeah you know billionaire ceo you're like this kid just was good at throwing a baseball and now you're gonna lose 20 million 20 million i feel bad for the kid who it's his first year in the league it was his first contract it's his first paycheck and he was like i'm getting fucking 18 million dollars this year holy shit i did I did it. I made it. I was in the minor leagues

making $2,000 a month. Now I'm making $18 million a year. They come back and they're like, well, some people are sick. Granted, it is obviously an actual issue. It's a big issue. To come back and be like, what? Maybe next year.

Okay. I guess I'll just? Maybe next year. Okay. I guess I'll just wait until next year. That's a lot of money. It is a lot of money. I tend to feel the worst for people that don't have money. In my situation, I'm not out of money yet being a week at home. But there are some people that live paycheck to paycheck that they are out of money. And I feel really bad for those people.

Yeah, like 3.28 million of them yeah there's a lot of people that are that are in a bad spot so like the guy that's not not getting 18 million dollars presumably he got 18 million dollars last year and is probably still eating and has a roof over his head uh and then the athletes that don't make any like the fighter you know he's gonna make zero and maybe he only made 30 grand last year he's he's on top ramen diet for a while yeah i just can't like i can't get past the numbers from these somebody yeah not playing a few baseball games and like yeah like genuinely somebody taking 20 million dollars from you out of your out of your you you did all the work to get there and then they're like no we're gonna keep 20 yeah yeah i think about all the gym owners right now

whose best option is to is to shut their business down completely right now if they were lucky enough to not be on a personally guaranteed lease all all gyms, peace out. Because that's just so gnarly, carrying that on and watching your membership just dwindle five in a day. There's a gym in San Diego right now that I know has four leases and probably like 1,000 members, and they were doing fantastic two weeks ago. And now it's like our buddy Greg is a coach at one of them. And I'm like, oh my gosh.

Four leases. If you're the owners, it's not like you have a personal connection. You have like a business with systems and everybody walks in there and stays their mind to do the workout. They like the people and then they take people away. Adios. Yeah. Yeah.

It's going to – it'll change our industry. What happens here – You know what I'm hoping, though? I mean, yeah. I was thinking about this. You know, they've been pushing us to move education, universities, and change it. Even high schools, like when Natasha natasha's doesn't really count right they're like because my for those of you listeners i don't know everything about my personal

life how shameful shameful my uh he's got a dog ghost face killer it's all you need to know this is true tmi my wife is a preschool special ed teacher. So when this all broke down, you know, they're like, okay, have virtual stuff ready for kids by Monday. She's like, Oh yeah, yeah. I'll go ahead and create you a virtual teaching session for your three-year-old autistic kid. Like, this is not a job that she can do not in person. Right. Yeah. And I feel like we've had this argument in education, both secondary post-secondary and

all the way up graduate post-grad about how we should move more virtual and all this stuff but no one's really I didn't take too much time too much well we actually did it like three days basically so I think hope on my honest hope is like this is the big you know kick in the stomach where it was like okay we've needed some pretty radical changes with education one way or the other i don't have the answers but we need there's some major changes that need to happen and and maybe this has forced our hand a little bit in some of these areas for a lot of people to be like yeah okay i guess we can go to a flipped classroom model or a different approach to you know um teaching high school education or teaching whatever my my natasha's dad is a eighth grade science teacher and he's had to like this is

this bro he's retiring so this is literally his last semester so he's like cool i don't even get to spend the last two months at work come on yep that doesn't get to see his kids doesn't get this big send off like doesn't get the retirement his kids doesn't get this big send off like doesn't get the retirement party the whole thing and now you're two months away from retirement oh yeah by the way gotta make this whole thing online cool and he doesn't he's the worst technology that is he's he's so for being a scientist he can't use technology for shit well how many ceos of multi-billion dollar companies right now are looking at their uh these giant buildings that they own all around the world and going wait a second all of my employees are working at their house right now i could just give them like a small stipend for a

home office and they'd be much happier okay let's start eliminating some of this real estate expense because all of corporate america around so i know a guy in raleigh that is like he's he does data storage and he said the internet's up like 30 to 50 percent over the last three weeks because everyone is working from home gaming and school you literally forced the whole world to find entertainment online and you go to school the only problem with online school is that you don't actually learn anything you just complete assignments it's kind of the exact opposite of the way you want people to do it you'd rather them just learn because when i was in grad school i learned about online class i was in grad school i learned about

online class i was like i'm gonna take about six of those right now yeah knock this out real quick yeah well that's what i mean because you don't you clearly don't want to go the online like virtual only it's um for classroom stuff it goes against everything we know about pedagogy learning long-term retention actuation all that stuff it is totally wrong for but having said that i think this is now again like the hope is this somebody out there is figuring out a better model of saying okay we don't need to do it the other way we don't need to do it the all virtual way because there are some legitimate i have major concerns about what this will do to our we're already losing our abilities to function with other people.

So social connection is a real issue. And I don't think it's the same thing of being in a virtual classroom. I mean, I, again, I'll be totally honest. When I've had a virtual teaching on the last couple of weeks on my zoom, I'm just like, what would typically take me two hours and 45 minutes. I'm done in 25 minutes. I'm just wrapped. The kids aren't there. I'm half, i'm just like get through the slides they don't care like we're out of here you know yeah you can't do the same things i just don't want to be there they don't want to be there either so but there can be something

like i said flipped classroom model i think is a much better thing um there's got to be alternatives to situations we can come up with um you know so hopefully there'll be some good shine out of this and i mean from the people in the in this in the strength conditioning community um i think that's also going to be major change because a lot of people are going to be probably being like wow either i don't need it to go to these gyms anymore i can train at home but i think that'll last a few months and they'll be like i don't know what i'm doing i keep getting hurt this isn't working like i'm going back to that place where they actually coach me all day so i think you'll see that rebound effect that people will want to go back to the gym is really hard because it's not the same thing working out

in your gym by yourself in your garage yeah i interviewed you're gonna get bored i love lifting weights and i get bored lifting in my garage by myself i'm like i want to go to the fucking gym even if I don't talk to anybody just the fact that there's people around it just it just feels good but then if you go to if you go to a cross gym or whatever and you know all your friends are going to be there you might go there and not lift weights at all just because you want to go hang out like that it's it's impossible to replace the in-person community personal connection piece of it. Right now, we normally do shows in person. If the three of us were in person, I would be

having a much better time than I am right now. Even though I'm having a good time talking to you guys, in person is just better. No question. We've got to talk to somebody to get this turn back on so we can start moving again. Anybody got Mr. Trump's number? What's up?

Right now, you guys can afford to fly all your kids out here. It costs you like $16 to get on a flight, bring the kids out here. It won't cost anything. It really is interesting how low you can drive the price of something when the demand is zero. Yeah. We'll pay you. How about that?

You know what's funny? Tasha's friend is getting married in i think maui somewhere in hawaii in august and so they used all their miles and all their points and they got i think first class tickets out there a couple months ago or something right and spent all this money and they just went back to the airlines and like so um that same flight right now it's got 10 book on it and the whole flight is 200 bucks so they cashed basically they got a full refund got their miles back and then just turned around and bought the exact same plane tickets for 200 bucks it saved them several

thousand dollars yeah oh they're flying them i think maui for 200 bucks and i think first class and just like nobody's on these things. So I'm like, if you've got travel to go and like the late summer or fall right now, just book that shit. Roll the dice for 200 bucks. Argentina. Let's go.

350 Australia. Come on. I can fly from Raleigh to your backyard for $196. This is what I'm talking about. No one is going to be on that flight. I'll just sleep in the hallway or in the aisle. No one will give a shit. $196 across the country round trip.

Who's getting paid? Anybody? I don't understand the economics behind it. How are they not losing money on fuel? Why aren't they just canceling flights? Well, it's really creepy looking at all the planes parked. That's a really weird sight, seeing how they just line them up,

park them like cars, except it's a plane. You know what I want to know that I don't think you guys can answer? I've been thinking about this too. Yeah, right. I will make some shit up right now. I want to ask this in a way that you don't have to reveal anything about your personal business, but I'm very interested if

like the podcast space right now is just getting crushed because here's my thoughts. I can see people being like, Oh my God, people are home all day. They want to consume way more content, make content, make content. But the other part of of me is like i'm not consuming anything right now i can't imagine people are listening to podcasts i can't imagine people are like watching shit so i don't know if people are like oh yeah this is the time to make content or people like you know what nothing's getting watched no one um i know people are buying training programs because they don't have money i get that that's an understandable one but are they consuming the free stuff i i went and looked this morning and it's down but not like that much uh because i thought the same thing like who's riding to work listening to us teach

them about strength um but the youtube stuff is a little bit is is moving much more because people are sitting down watching tv but they don't watch real tv anymore they watch youtube you even get better new like all the news channels stream live on youtube so you never have to go to do anything so i actually for the last two weeks every i have like my garage gym and all my training sessions i just stream live and they all yeah they're all doing better than the majority of our videos that are putting up because nobody's doing anything so it's super easy to just watch some dude train in their garage okay i got another question about that what the flying fuck did i see you post on instagram the other day about 200 squats or some nonsense? I assume this is 200 squats at body weight.

Two and a quarter for 200. It took me about 59 minutes. That's a lie. Yeah, a smash. I just kind of made it up in my head. That's not a good idea. I actually wasn't that sore. It's definitely not a good idea.

No. Man, I haven't hung out with you in real life in so long. It's so depressing. So the last year, I would even call it the last eight months, I've been on just a kick of like I'm an old man. I'm like oldish now. Like I wonder where my fitness is at compared to like the coolest things I've done in my life. Can I still do them?

So I did a two minute and 58 second fran doug's probably so sick of me talking about this because i fucking so stoked on some of them he's gotta hear all my stories every time i retell them to everybody um did doug just leave the screen did you put them in coffee in 10 minutes i squatted three fifth for 20 which was a really that's like my lifetime best i tied that which was rad and you couldn't do 21 you can watch the video no i could not do 21 um i ran a 22 mile thing just to do it and i did that this past weekend we did a show with mash doug and i this morning um yesterday i ran a show with Ash, Doug, and I this morning.

Yesterday I ran a 707 mile and I was pissed because I assumed that I'd be able to run sub 630. And now I have a real reason to train because I want to see how long it takes for me to train to get to sub 630. But I did that. We were going through what the training plan should be to drop 30 plus seconds off your mile time. And I was like, well, I probably shouldn't squat 225 for 200 um four days before match was like you idiot why are you but i've just had these like cool things that i've been that were like lifetime things like the first time i broke fran and broke three minutes and Fran was like, Holy shit.

Like you might be the best in the world. Like there was only, I only knew like one other person that could do that because the internet barely existed. Like it just wasn't a thing. Um, three 15 for 20 was like lifetime. Just wanted to always do that.

I don't know. Um, yeah. You know what i've been i decided like two weeks ago that i'm gonna training wise get working on a lot what do you got i'm bringing this best bench press back oh dope make it cool you know why here's why it like 90 of the reasons i do things in life trash talk so before the Corona shit. Totally with you. I was with, I'm out training, working with Brian Ortega. And he's doing this stuff and he's doing triples.

And he ended up doing, I think, 10 or 12 rounds of triples at, I think he had 185 per bench or something. And he's a 145-pound fighter. So he doesn't walk around at 145 but he's not he's comparable to my size if you will pretty close um he's stronger than that but he did it and i was like damn i was like 185 for three that's not much and then i came home and did 185 and i was like wow shit this is heavy and i was like wow 185 pounds and that's heavy andy like that's just really really sad yeah i'm like i'm getting strong i'm gonna go bench again a lot so i started a new bench program last week and uh i assume i'll be doing 500 soon i love that definitely you're

actually always a great presser. Like in college, you were, you bench press more than I did. Yeah. I was substantially bigger than you. I got long arms, half your length.

That helped. But yeah, that's funny. Cause I was like, yeah, like I'm pretty good at pressing all things, especially shoulder breasts. I could almost,

I think at one point point actually my incline like pretty high incline was probably only five or ten pounds below my flat bench at peak strength which is pretty good so i'm like starting to get in the neighborhood of double body weight incline and now i'm like yeah body weight so like, all right, I gotta get strong again. I got a better knee bend. Terrible. Yeah. Actually, you know what? The last like three weeks has been the three best three weeks I've had in a decade. Nice. I don't know what's going on. 225 for 200 at the time.

I'd be happy with 225 for one. I knew that we were talking to you when I did it. I was like, I wonder if I should talk to Galpin about what type of muscle fibers I have squatting for a straight hour at 225. But you know what else I'm going to do? So I got an aerosol. Oh, sick. I got to get one of the, yeah. Well, they sent me three.

I was like three of them well i put them in the lab uh so but i was uh another thing i was so i go out um another day with brian and we're doing stuff and they do this little thing where they try to get peak speed on the airdyne. And I was like, okay. And so I looked at all the numbers. And Fabricio Verdun, like the heavyweight UFC fighter, had by far the highest number, right? But I'm like, he's 260 right now.

So he should be able to move the airdyne pretty well. Yeah, it's like 6'4", 260. Yeah. And I'm like, probably, if I just ate breakfast, 163 right now. Like something like that. So he's legit got a hundred pounds on me and Brian, all those guys do it. And I watch him do it.

And I'm like, and I have no sense of an athlete compared to my, to myself like right now. And I liked it. And I was like, I'll beat all their asses. And I just talk so much shit. Brian works well in shit talking.

So I'm talking so much shit. I suck it on there. I'm like, I have no fucking idea. These guys are going to beat me by like 100. Like, here he is. And he was pretty close. We were two weeks away from going to Korea to fight in a main event,

five-round fight. So I'm like, the dude's pretty ready to go. And so, of course, I go up there and beat him all by like substantial amount. And they're like, what the fuck? And then like in my brain i'm just like yes yes i didn't get yeah so anyway i got the airtime bike and i was like i'm not gonna like straight up low-key i'm not saying anything but for the next like six weeks all i'm gonna do are like five to eight seconds prints with maximum rest on this thing and get as fast

as i possibly can on this airdyne bike because it doesn't hurt my knee that bad right now nice i'm just gonna come back and hammer them and beat fabricio's number and but just like not say anything to these guys the whole time you guys have been doing push-ups and sit-ups in your backyard i've been doing sport training on this just so that i can talk more trash to this guy who i know and he knows and he knows that i know that if i really talk too much trash, he can slap me at any time. No way to defend myself against that man. You're going to lose.

Post your picture on Instagram. Just tag him. Very passive aggressive. I talk so much shit to Brian. Sometimes he'll be like, I'm going to fuck you up i'm like i mean you can't say that because like i got i can't keep going there's nothing like i can't retort to that yeah what do i say like no i'm gonna fuck you up like no yeah you should you should have like a safe word before the safe word of like oh you're serious okay i'll stop i'm done i don't i don't want to i won't

say anything else yeah for sure did i really i went too far i'm very sorry yeah well i'd say it's fun to work with him man like he um he's really fun because he's like 14 and i think or 14 one just fought for world title lost um but he has almost no strength training background at all and he's just viciously good at fighting so being able to work with him for the last half a year or something the numbers are just getting out of control and making someone like that like for a strength coach in me it's been so nerdy because it's it's like the ideal scenario where you have this legitimate world-class athlete in their skill but so untrained in what i do yeah it'd be like the inverse if you take the

you know like rich froning or something and then you put him with hicks and gracie and hicks and gracie's like oh yeah all right like this is gonna be fun totally right and because he's like the littlest things and he just starts progressing so quickly. And I'm like, man, people haven't seen this guy fight in a year. Yeah. Because he's going to come back and fuck people up. It's going to be awesome. Yeah. Is there anything in the CrossFit space that interests you these days?

No. Like none of the – now that we kind of figured out what the best looks like and they've been standing on the top of the podium for the past decade? To be honest with you, like I think I would have liked that sport a lot more because it has everything in it that i would like it's the culture that kills me well we could how much time you got it's that part of it i mean a lot of that's gone away but it was like it's the head up you know and it's the like um it's just the way that they they handle that thing as a company just it just put me off i'm like man it's just the way that they they handle that thing as a company just it just put me off i'm like man it's just it's so so i think i could never get past that um like the physical culture

part of it the training how fucking hard it is and all that other stuff the community and like you're lifting weights and doing cool shit all that is exactly what i love it was just the other stuff that i was like man i'm i'm not interested in you telling me that it's okay to eat bacon all day and that's that's good don't tell me that a piece of bread is gonna give me colon cancer that all that shit not just nutrition but all the other training stuff too and it's like yeah someone on their first day go ahead and have them do 30 snatches for time great like this is that stuff put me off and that's all early year stuff i know that's long gone from crossfit but it just it just put me off so much i'm like i don't find this interesting it's not gone well okay yeah maybe not all the way gone but i think that i think

it's been toned down quite a bit there are certainly better and worse ways to crossfit yeah and as it got more popular more and more people came into the industry and have made it substantially better. Like in 2008, 2009, like if I was at a strength coaching conference, I didn't want to tell anyone that I owned a CrossFit gym. Because I didn't want them to like judge me as one of those CrossFitters who doesn't know what the hell is going on in the strength conditioning world. But I thought CrossFit was really cool. So I, I named my gym, which originally was CrossFit Memphis.

We renamed it faction strength and conditioning just so we could be faction strength and conditioning whenever we needed to be like in 2010 or whatever, when we did that, that presentation for training for training MMA fighters at NSCA in Florida. I did not want to put owner of CrossFit Memphis on my slides. I want to put owner of Faction Strength and Conditioning just because I thought people would just read CrossFit Gym Owner and just completely write me off.

I want to know part of it back then. Now, 10 years later, I don't think you get quite the same stigma. I think it would be – it's a little different now because now there's plenty of really good coaches in the CrossFit space. And there's obviously incredible athletes in the CrossFit space. And they're not just doing completely random workouts anymore. Now they're training for a sport that's known and mostly knowable, even though it's supposed to be unknown and knowable. Well, nothing that – It's the same shit it was last year.

Yeah. They are testing fitness. Yeah, yeah. It's all over the place. Yeah, it is, but it's still a very limited domain of fitness. Yeah. yeah it is but it's still a very limited domain of fitness you know yeah i was wondering if there was any um since you have seen the same people dominate for the last 10 years like what and the margins at which they've dominated this is i think crossfit's like the ultimate front runner sport because if you win one time history is going to tell you that you're going to win between like four and potentially six to seven years in a row like no the girl side there's it's no doubt

the guy's side it's no doubt throwing has only stood on the second place tier one time and i'm sure it was a mistake like he it's the only time you see a picture of him where he's like i hate everyone right now for being in second place like there's something about whatever's in their physiology that they are the best year in and year out i feel like it's like that in every strength sport though yes there's a period of years like look at look at bodybuilding it's like every every mr olympia is mr olympia for like four to six years there's only been like yeah yeah there's only been like in the last 40 years there's only been like eight champions or something like that like it's like that strong man strong man excuse me like

that you know four times strong man like five times strong man like every strength sport is like that you just end up being really really strong and you you have a couple years where you can stay there and then you cycle out to the next strongest guy yeah that that's exactly what i was going to say that you see that thing it's and it's i think it's because in my opinion um the there's not any i'll put it this way there's a very low skill component to all those things so bodybuilding there's no skill at all right for the most part strong man more so but not a ton crossfit more so but still not a ton relative to like golf right where the skill component is so incredibly high you'll never find

it's very rare to see people winning more than one or two events in a row right because there's the smallest amount of change and skill has such a huge outcome when you reduce the skill requirement you reduce the likelihood of seeing different champions and it really does now just come down to who is physically different. Yeah. Now there's different things like a little bit of training preparation and all that stuff, but those things don't matter that much. And so if you look at sports across the, what I'll just call the physical requirements versus the high skill stuff,

the farther you are on the physical side, the less variation you see in performance. So when you take a sports like football and basketball and those are a little bit in between right some skill component basketball having a higher skill component you do see some variation in outcome with the exception of seeing someone like lebron who can go to the finals for nine straight years because his skill is so much higher than everybody else's but for the most part that's why you see that in crossfit is is there's not i get it there's skills to handstand walks but at that level it's not that skilled

well the gymnastics piece never came around to the level of skill that the weightlifting part came around to do um which would change that sport completely right then it wouldn't just be about a percentage of one rm for as many as you can do and staying staying aerobic as long as possible um but there are yeah it i think that that's actually like just been the only thing that keeps me engaged in crossfit is the fact that froning tia and frazier win every single year because the people that finish in third i don't't know you. I just, I don't. You're, I don't know. Everybody looks the same now.

I feel like it's also hard to follow because it's you know, every year they're still finding their footing as a sport. And so it's hard to follow as a fan because you're like, okay, the, you know, can you imagine if the World Series was at a different time of the year every year?

Yeah. And then we don't know how to qualify for it. And that changes. Yeah. That's, that's hard for, if you're a diehard crossfitter, that's not going to matter. It does now. Nobody knows anything now. Yeah.

And so if you're kind of on the fence, you know, like I am where I'm like, sure. Again, like the, everything about it for the most part is, wow, this is super interesting and impressive, but it's hard to be a fan because I'm just like, wait, now there's like 28 qualified regionals, but I don't know. I'm just like, I'm out. I want to go follow my own little niche sport. Nobody likes called fighting. It's a hard, yeah. It's a hard, um, it's a hard sport to keep up with because it just, it's too all over the place but yeah um

rad dude let uh let's make all the really fun stuff that we're going to talk about for bro happy hour here in a couple weeks yeah i'm gonna um just drown myself in wine and and act like i'm not hearing crying babies i'm really uh happy that you beat me to baby number two. It's coming soon though. I can tell. I can see it in my eyes. Let me tell you one thing. This is my general take. I have a bunch of buddies that were like, I bet that there's going to be like a lot more domestic violence and there's going to be a lot more babies that come out in nine months from coronavirus. I was like, wait a second, let me tell you something. There's going to be a lot more first babies,

not a lot of second, third, fourth, or fifth or sixth babies, because the ones that have a baby, by the time you've been babysitting and working for 14 straight hours and juggling each other's schedules, the last thing you do is look at each other and you go, you want to get it in tonight? Let's get after it. No, it doesn't work. I'm going to fucking sleep. You know, the biggest downside of this whole epidemic right now is Natasha was for about eight months or so has been just looking forward to every day. The thought of me having to get, you know, a little bit of a snip snip here. And now, you know, like that's,

they're basically not letting that stuff happen right now. It's not needed. She's just so pissed. She's just like, I can't, she can't wait for the day for me to have to go, go in there and get that thing done. She wants me to suffer for all the suffering she's had i'm like you know that's not healthy it's called revenge and it's not healthy it's not a good foundation no um she's like what's number two if you guys has it been we all have to go back to our children here so we should just keep talking because we're working right now please do not end this podcast what's what's baby tube at all you guys can go and off i'm just gonna keep talking

no he's like we had a little bit of scare for a while there but i think he's it's all gonna it's all gonna to work out. It's funny that it's so cliche, but when it comes down to the wire, like all you really do care about is like I just want you to come out healthy. Yeah. I want mom to come out healthy. And she did – it was a lot easier on her this time than last time. Nice.

She's recovering a lot better, and he's – looks like he's going to be just fine. Right. As far as I'm concerned, he's he's been pretty awesome it's just a dollar right now so yeah if there's if there's ever time to be stuck in your house for a month like not the worst time ever totally do you actually feel like it's better for people that just had a baby i feel like this is a better situation than normal um for some reasons where a lot of times you have a baby and then all of a sudden everyone disappears like you have a baby you know you have a newborn at home you like you want to go out and

do stuff but you can't you want people to come over but they're they're doing they got busy lives and they don't want to come sit on the couch and while you're you know while you're watching your baby for four hours i can't say hi but like a lot of people they they get visitors for like a couple weeks and then it kind of thins out and then they're just lonely for a couple of months while they're, while they're stable to their house. Well, now you can't go anywhere and no one's allowed to come over. And so there's way less FOMO. There's way less like, how come no one's coming to visit me feeling sorry for yourself?

Like all that stuff is kind of gone because everyone just has to stay home. I feel like it's a better situation. It's so boring. It's so boring. It's so boring having babies. I had three kids in three years, man. I had some boring times. Man, you should have just gone NBA player route. We have three kids in three years,

but just all three different girls. It can be boring with three ladies. Yeah, exactly. Especially if they all hate each other. Drama everywhere. Don't make a TV out of that. You could take Michael's route and just invite them all over for a party at

the same time, just so you can watch the train wreck go. That's the entertainment to give them mdma first everyone's friendly though we're gonna fight and then we did mdma for the next five hours everyone got along let's cuddle oh i'm staring at me from across the room let's go yeah all right galpin dr andy galpin on instagram

yeah i think i think so doug larson douglas c larson i'm andrews varger andrews varger we're barbell shrugged at barbell underscore shrugged you like that sounds like barbell shrugs back huh andy galpin boys i saw that like three weeks ago and I almost dropped my phone or whatever that was and I was like, when did this happen?

Yeah, we have so much to talk about it. Bro happy hour. I want to know. I've been scanning. You guys can answer this off air if you want and just leave the listeners hanging. No, we can do it. Let's do it.

No, they all want to know. Is the collective still around or is it just the show now just us fuck yeah good deal i like the logo being back too i'm in yeah we could tell you the whole story do you want to hear the whole story i would love to hear the whole story but i can shake your head when i go if i go too far i i want to hear what you think the whole story is. Oh, beautiful. This is like the greatest opportunity of my life. Unprompted. No, I'm actually really stoked about this.

So Doug and I were like best friends. We trained together. We did families together. I had my first baby. There was really no – I didn't really know anything about barbell shrugged um like the business of barbell shrugged i just liked lifting weights with doug and um in january of two years ago maybe it was even december but whatever it was you texted me and asked if i wanted to co-host.

And so we did a show for the business that I owned at the time. And then we went over and interviewed Contreras and that went really well. And then you guys invited me to do like the next 13 episodes. And I actually remember you telling me this is going to be the last 13 episodes of Barbell Shrugs. And I was like, you brought me on for the fucking grand finale? No way. This is whack.

Like, I'm not the replacement player for the death of this legendary show. But I didn't really know what was going on. You guys had already filmed the final episode and um sitting in the car long enough for trips up to la just realized that blueto was like completely checked out um and had no interest whatsoever and continuing on um and for full like it's totally cool you're allowed to move on in life you're you're completely allowed um and doug really wanted to keep the show going because the lifestyle and everything is fantastic and um but we had a ceo of business still that was very financially tied to the business um and there had to be a way to make that happen so we were at the coffee shop like 10 minutes before we went to go interview paul check drive up to his house and i was like dude do you think i could be the host of barbell

shrugged with you and you were like sure i was like fuck i think i just became the host of barbell shrugged and then um the next day we were we interviewed paul and then it was like the next day or a week after i didn't even have an actual plan in my brain but we actually on the way to thrive and i basically just pitched a bledsoe like i'll be the host and he was like well what what hat like what does that mean and i was like well why don't we turn it into the shrug collective and you have the bledsoe show and we'll run barbell shrugged and we'll expand it into a network and then we brought on fisher and we brought on um feed me fuel me which at the time was michael anders and jeff thornton's um and then there was like a couple other shows but um over time it just got really fucking you just got a lot of big personalities and big shows and

confusing you listen to every single day which i was listening to every single show we put out for a very long time to like understand what the listener we all have the exact same voice in that we all live in gyms we all have this like deep raspy voice and the reason you go to a podcast is because you want to listen to a specific person tell a specific story about their adventure. And when you have like a group of people, there were some really good ideas that we had of like season strength conditioning shows. I really like that stuff, like Christmas Abbott coming on um there was like a massive potential for that um but yeah just over time you realize that like we all sell online products we all have shows we're all talking about the same things we would show up to events and say there's

10 people at the crossfit games and now for the next 10 weeks we all have the same 10 people on the show so like you go to Guadalupalooza and the goal is to get the best interviews but we're all there together so we're either interviewing somebody or you expanded out one standard deviation and now you've got some like average interviews. But, dude, we did some really cool stuff. Fisher's my boy. I love that kid. And he stuck with us the whole two years. We, at one point, this is when I knew that we had to just go back to one show.

We stacked it. It was the best lineup that I could imagine. We had Kalipa, Fisher, us, MASH, Dr. Sean Pastuch from Active Life. It was like if you built a gym, you would want these six coaches at your gym doing what they do. And then it just wasn't like, it was like too much, um, which is great.

Also, like we did some cool shit, but it's been really cool being back. And now we're doing two shows a week. Um, we have the flexibility to be coaching a lot more, which is another part of it. Like,

I don't know. It's rad. How'd I do Doug? That was pretty solid, dude. Yeah. We yeah we had a lot of people that seemed confused about it like they would always ask us like well how can you can you can you separate the feed so like it's just your shows somehow and it's just these shows somehow that way it's not just like it's just alternating shows and there's a new show every single day and like you post a show and it just gets buried because there's a new show every day. People would want to just listen to our show.

Not that they had anything against the other shows, but they signed up to listen to our show. Then all of a sudden, we threw a bunch of shows at them that weren't us. It was. It was just too much. Then we had to manage all that stuff. The return was not really worth it in a lot of ways. Time, energy, money, the whole thing. But I enjoyed doing it.

I learned a ton doing it. But it really is nice being back to just barbell shrugging, just taking care of ourselves for a while. The big impetus was the strong coach went and took its space and cleared space for Doug and I to be able to do what we felt was the thing, instead of having to like make decisions based off of like, okay,

we want to go this way, but how do we make sure we fit Mike into this? Cause he was still the CEO. So it was like a, it was a tough tough but awesome thing all at the same time. Well, you're back. You've already shrugged the full thing now. Let's go. Barbell underscore shrugged.

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