Barbell Shrugged - From CrossFit to Diesel Dad w/ William Styles Anders Varner, and Doug Larson - Barbell Shrugged #563

Episode Date: April 6, 2021

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Changes you made. how the challenge worked out weight you lost like i told doug on the phone you know i've listened to barbell shrugs okay stop stop stop stop stop we're not there yet ready welcome to barbell shrugged i'm anders warner doug larson right in the diesel dad challenge number one winner that's pretty cool huh william styles i actually can't believe what do you do for a living country financial mortgages financial so insurance insurance sales um it sounds like you're supposed to be some sort of like pop singer. William Stiles is just – it's like perfect for – If only I could meet Harry Stiles one day, we would have a great conversation, I'm sure. We're probably –

We met his trainer, and so we're only one degree away, but that's a large degree. It's like – it's not like a little bit away. It's only one person, but it's a gigantic amount away from actually sitting down and hanging out with them. Dude, you're the big winner. What's the background of your fitness life before coming over and hanging out with the Diesel Dad? Yeah, man. That's a great question. You like, you know, you asked me what I did. I started selling insurance with North Carolina Farm Bureau in 2011. And that same month, I started my CrossFit life, basically. And what happened was, I was 26 at the time. Before that, I wasn't married,

I was dating my wife, we didn't have kids. And before that, my exercise routine was you did chest and tries on Monday, you did back and bys on Tuesday, you skipped leg day, and then you rinsed and repeat Thursday and Friday, right? Leg day was always written, never performed. Exactly. You took that day off, leg day, you know. So when I started doing CrossFit, it was revolutionary. So started and i gotta give a shout out to my best good friend someone i love dearly who started crossfit 2222232 in bryson city jama anders there you go me and him started listening yeah similar name isn't it me and jama started coaching for him in his crossfit we We started listening to Barbell Shrug as soon as it came out.

Like, loved it. You know, Chris Moore, Doug Larson, Mike Bledsoe. Anything that they put out content-wise, we ate it up. We loved it. You know, RIP Chris Moore because when that happened, it was like losing my best friend. So I did that. I did it full time.

I really got into CrossFit. It looks like it actually was losing my best friend. Yeah, exactly. He was one of my best friends. Died out of nowhere. It hit a lot of people hard, for sure. It definitely did, man. I mean, me and Jayma, it was rough. Yeah, no disrespect to you, man. I mean, me and Jayma, it was rough. And yeah, no disrespect to you, Doug. I know he was very close and you guys, but talking to someone like me, you understand how much of an impact you they have around them all the time, right? You're that five people that influence their daily lives.

And back then in a small town of 1,000 people, podcasts and audio books were the five people I put myself around the most. So it was me and Jame and Barbell Shrug. And then what happened was transition to I got married. I had kids yeah all that fitness paid off you got the girl exactly got the kids got the kids kind of you know living the dad story fairy tale story of how that goes yeah you get soft um i actually opened my own gym in 2018, my own CrossFit gym. I won't go down that road, but that didn't work out. Sold that in 2019. I left the Barbell family.

I kind of got away from listening to any health podcast. I just was like, I'm done. We had our third baby. I really, really got into my career in sales and focused on that. And that just led me down to a path of 2020 where all of us saw it was just horrible. We moved to Nashville from Asheville. We started a new career, started new jobs. We downsized our home, renting, three kids. I was working full time. Sometimes I would come home and not even eat anything.

I had looked back in my day and I hadn't eaten anything. My intermittent fasting went to a daily fast. I'll eat next week. I might have more time. Yeah, I was just so, so busy that I didn't take the time for myself. And I worked out every day. I still did that. But it just was not where I wanted it to be. Fitness level, I was rushing all the time. I would sometimes skip workouts. I definitely skipped a lot of meals. So last year was just, it was terrible for me personally. I think for a lot of people, right? You know, 2020 was not

the best year for 44 million Americans that lost their job. I was very thankful and I am very blessed to have a very good career, strong family. We built a home. We live here in Hendersonville, Tennessee. So I'm many blessed, but the point of that is I had to take a step back and look at it and say, what do I need to do for myself? You know, what, what is it that I'm doing now that I can't be doing? Because what I'm doing now is not providing for my family because rule number one, you gotta, you gotta put that mask on yourself, right? If you're in the airplane, mask drops, put it on yourself first. Um, and that's what led me to this challenge. I sat down, uh, and looked over my goals for the year. Patrick, uh,

David does a great job of putting some goals together. So I sat down, I had my financial, my business goals, but what's my health goal and my health goal. I had six of them. And one of them was to find something to accomplish. And I don't do garage games anymore. I don't want to be that person anymore. And so when I saw that email come up of diesel dads and I saw that challenge, Hey, 30 days, I said, yes, hell yeah. That's what I want to do. That's going to get me back. And it was so simple.

You do three things a day for 30 days. Just do it. And that's what got me there. Did you find the transition, like getting out of CrossFit and kind of going from, you mentioned the garage game, so you're at least competing on the weekends and going, pushing the limits, kind of realizing like that life is no longer for you. Was that a difficult process? It was extremely difficult.

It was very hard because that process got me into opening my own gym and my own family. And, you know, that was a very difficult process when I took that step back and I closed down. I just, it was very, very hard. Me and my wife had a very difficult conversation about that, but all the time and energy that goes into that, having a full-time job, it's just, you have to decide. And I'm not saying I might not do that again, but having a six, four and two year-year-old, you're in it. Yeah.

You know, Anders, you got one on the way, and I loved your Instagram post. That was awesome. Nice. Having one is fun. Two is okay. Having three is hard. You know, I love it in terms of – I totally agree. Once again – totally agree from two to three is a big jump

zero to one of course is the biggest jump but having a second where you can be with one the other person can be with the other one that's no big deal but having the third is is a leap forward for sure i had clients that would come in my office and i would ask them hey how was three and they'd say oh they were perfect it was no big. You set them over in the corner and it's, it's, they lied to me. They lied. It's a big, it's a bunch of crap. It is not. You're going from man to man, the zone like that. And it is extremely difficult. I hate it when people, when parents say, oh, three is easy. Yeah. You just said, no, parents say oh three is easy yeah you just said no you're lying you just you just want to tell that to parents so they'll have three and be

miserable like you yeah what the split is like if they're all four years apart then having three is not a big deal but like i had three kids in three years and that's exactly that's a little different like i had three kids in diapers at the same time. And so you really are that much busier. Like we're one, one parent is like brushing the kid's teeth. The other parent is helping, you know, put a diaper on.

And then the third kid's throwing books down the stairs. Exactly. You got to go like stop him. And then the person who was brushing their teeth has run away and you can't find the toothbrush anymore. And then you find it under the couch. And it's like, you're just,

you're, you're running around with like a chick with your head caught off all the time i told my wife i was doing this call you know and i'm so excited i'm so pumped to be on here i called my best friend jayma anderson i said man i'm on barbell shrug what should i say and he said you should just scream like a little girl and be like but anyway i told my wife and you know what she said? You better do it during nap time. You have to. It's the only breath of fresh air. Going back to your question though, Andrew, yeah, it was a difficult transition,

but it was just something that I felt very comfortable with. And, you know, like I said, I still work out. I still do my daily routine and i'm just the intensity and the volume is not you know where it was yeah um as far as like raising kids and having a family and you owned a gym so obviously fitness is a big piece of it but what is that like culture of health and good nutrition and working out in your household like? We've gone through a lot of extremes, I think, on both sides. So, you know, when we first got married, we were semi-healthy.

And then when we started having kids, you really start looking at organic and, you know, where you're buying your food, where you're getting it from. And then you go down different extremes of that. My dad died in 2015. And so I wanted to be, I wanted to be at the top of my game. I wanted to be able to look at my kids and say, I'm going to run around with your kids when I'm a granddad. And so we had to take a step back and we looked at our eating routines and our diets. And I wouldn't say we got extremely organic, but we did go down a little rabbit hole there for a little bit. And I think everybody does at some point, right? Everybody does go. I think the biggest thing is like, yeah, there's like a, the more extreme you go one time,

the easier it is when you pull yourself back in to be still pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I went, I was, well, like this challenge where I do something, I'm all in, right. It's either a, it's either a hell yes or a no. So when did this i said you know it's a hell yes i did it 100 when i did my crossfit i got into paleo and i did it 100 you know and when i did crossfit i did it and i did it at 100 the problem with with me is my body cannot handle high intensity i can't recover yeah Doing high intensity every day just drains my adrenal glands. It just kills my hormones. And also with doing paleo,

I wasn't eating enough carbs. I was basically just in a state of fasting all the time. Yeah. When I got my testosterone and stuff checked in 2016, it was a 200. I think my pre-test might have been a two or something. It was stupid, stupid low. And the guy, the doctor, I was going to a doctor at the time, a more naturopathic doctor. He's like, man, you got to eat. And high intensity every day is probably not the best. So like Doug just said, I went to one extreme.

I came back. It's easier to get back into this routine. I think I feel like me and my wife have a really good, good diet. Now we, we know what's, what's good, what's not good, what you can get away with. Also, you got to remember you have three kids. So our staples macaroni and cheese and chicken fingers. That makes it easy. You're cooking a lot.

I have a hilarious story. My acupuncturist, when I lived in San Diego, first off, the fact that you have an acupuncturist is very San Diego. I talked to her probably when Adelaide was like a year old, right around there. She's like, you're you're serving uh your daughter like a lot of organ meat and uh and bone marrow right and i was like are you kidding me could you be any more obvious that you don't have a child like it's so you couldn't say anything more ridiculous like i'm lucky if i get a chicken nugget down her mouth right now. Like, no, I'm not. There's no liver. Are you kidding me?

So mac and cheese is not too far off, you know, but we get the organic Annie's mac and cheese. At least we're not terrible parents. Yeah. Organic. Talk more about that. I want to hear how you,

like how you structure your, your nutrition for your kids and like how you help to ensure,'t really ensure you don't have control over it but how do you influence or help to ensure that they eat as as well as possible you know we try to make them eat whatever we're eating which is tough because we try to eat vegetables and lean meats you know for i still believe in the the great glassman you eat meats, nuts, vegetables, some fruit, little starch, no sugar. That's kind of how we routinely, and I try to put in 30 to 40 grams of protein in each meal, some carbs and a little fat.

But I meal prep, typically I'll meal prep my week. I'm always on the run in sales of meeting people and talking to people and calling people so i'll pack my lunch and i'll we'll try to meal prep saturday or sunday for the week for the kids you know it's a little different we're packing my six-year-old's lunch for school and so we try to get some things that are easy for her you got to be thinking about that you know you can't pack like a lot of glass stuff to take to elementary school, you know, in their lunch bell. So you got to just be mindful of that. You got to be mindful of what they're going to eat, what they're not going to eat, what

they're trading at school. You know, you got to be mindful of all these things. Trading? Yeah. I mean, like I packed something. I forgot that trading existed. Yeah. Emery will be like, I'll be like, did you eat what i packed today oh yeah well i gave it to caroline and she gave me her i traded for two bags of cheetos oh that's a terrible trade you know all these things are so funny to us but whenever whenever a six year old is telling you this, it's just like mind blowing. You're like, really? You okay.

So you just got to be thinking about these things. And, and, um, you know, when we get home, we try to eat, try to just, as long as we're trying to get our macros in there for the kids, I feel good about that. If it's organic, chicken fingers, whatever. The biggest thing is do the best you can. Here's what I tell every parent.

Do the best you can. If some parent tells you that they're all organic and they do all this, like my wife watches these YouTube videos of these people that clean all day and they do this organic stuff. And she's like, I wish I could be like that. I'm like, no, no, just do the best you can.

Here's the best. Do the best you can. Try to get them to eat something that's somewhat healthy and live your life and don't worry about it. You mentioned macros a second ago. That's almost the only thing I really focus on with my current kids. They're three, four, and five years old. So they're, they're fairly young still, but just encouraging them to get a carb fat and a protein, and then trying to teach them which foods roughly have, you know, the dominant macronutrient is carbs, fat, or protein.

And I think that's a simple way to do it where they, they all even like, you know, the three, four and five, but they, but they all understand that for the most part, plants have carbs and meats have proteins and then nuts have fats and like all like the super basics. Uh, and that's worked out really, really well for me. If, uh, if they eat carbs throughout the day, which they often do, they'll be eating dried mangoes or, or popcorn or something like that. Like carbs are easy to come by. Then maybe I won't put carbs on their plate. I'll just make sure that they get a healthy fat and a protein. i'll tell them you already have lots of carbs you need to balance it out but that very simple rubric works very well for me yeah i agree i only focus on the protein i feel like i have no control what happens at school like look did you just eat some meat did you get at least like 40

grams of protein today yeah exactly chicken nuggets i know the outside of the chicken nugget isn't the greatest but let's just focus on the protein if we get that everything else will be fine exactly right no i agree 100 percent um are you training in a crossfit gym are you one of the the garage gym people no so i go to a local gym here called fit rev owned by a 16 year army veteran who flew um black hawk helicopters so he's a real badass yeah he's a great guy jason santiago and the fit rev gym which is a hybrid of like you've got kettlebells dumbbells you know i can use a bar he's got some turf. It's like a hybrid of a

regular body lifting, body weight gym. Then he does classes. He's got some boxing classes and he can fit and that kind of stuff. I do all of Doug's whatever's on the coaching app. I do that. I used to do the classes

but honestly, to fit in in our class is just hard and so doing that 15 to 30 minute uh emom just works wonders for and and i get to do all the crossfit stuff that i used to do right like he's got some handstands and stuff he's got some you know there's some uh overhead stuff some cleans and jerks and snatches and all that stuff that I'm able to do in that gym. I do have some old CrossFit stuff in my garage that I use like today when you can't get out because you're snowed in. But I go to the gym typically.

How much time do you feel like you typically have on a day where you actually can break away to train here's the thing it has to be a priority yeah you have to make it a priority and i and i tell people this all the time hey how do you i wear a suit and tie almost every day how do you go to the gym get sweaty shower and shower, and get everything done? You just do it. And this is what I tell people all the time. I prioritize my sales calls. I prioritize my prospecting because I want to make a future income and living and grow my business. If you're doing that, why aren't you prioritizing your health? Why aren't you prioritizing time to do something whether it's the 15 minute walk or anders you get up and walk a mile every day yeah i've never done workouts morning where i

have to do 100 reps that's something that's better than nothing that's literally why i created it because we're in the middle of quarantine and if I woke up at six well there was a good chance I wasn't working out exactly if I woke up at five went straight to the gym in the garage just did something like it didn't have to be crazy I just my whole focus uh in creating that was like the the mindset behind it was like if i can't do and if i lose control of the rest of the day like where can i still get ahead and keep keep the momentum going forward um and my daughter wakes up at 6 6 30 if i'm lucky and uh five o'clock it's just that time 5 30 i'm relatively awake i'm moving around um and i i we were also recording at 6 30 in the morning it's a week because it was the only time all doug travis

and i could all get together so it's like yeah don't want to turn the microphones on and the first words out of me out of my mouth have to be heard by many people. That would be like raspy voice, like still sleeping. Like, ah, welcome. It just doesn't work. Yeah, exactly. I like started it by doing just air squats and push-ups. And then I was like, well, I got gym, let's lift some weights.

And one of the biggest benefits that I started to recognize and that I still recognize is that my movement quality, as soon as I get out of bed is fantastic. I'm like proud of the way that I squat at five 30 in the morning, which I don't know if many people are proud of the way that they squat at five 30, but I'm pain free. And I've done really dumb things like try to squat 315 within the first 15 minutes of being awake and just to see if i i can do things um and that's been one of the massive benefits did were you getting out and doing the walk going for a walk in the morning no i didn't walk off yeah sorry you're still but i did 100 reps and i'm up to i got up to almost 50 push-ups i think i'm like

47 push-ups but i'll do my push-ups first yeah i'll do some while i'm down there i'll do my i'll do like some sit-ups and then i do air squats but the way i do my air squats is that's early in the morning my movement like you said is a little iffy so i do some just right here at the sink in my kitchen i'll do some air squats holding on the sink, just making sure I'm getting proper movement and form. I used to do the Corey G thing. I was telling Doug about this earlier where you get up at 3.30 or 4 o'clock in the morning and go out and do your workout and then you lunge. I was lunging a mile and a half to two miles a week because that was, you know,

his big thing was you lunge 400 to 800 meters a day and that's just extremely unrealistic now probably in the best shape of my life but reality is if I can get in 100 reps in the morning add that morning routine still get the journal

take some time myself I get up 5.30 like you said kids get up 30 that's only 10 minutes i come down i turn the coffee on and i do 100 reps my heart rate's up i feel a pump i feel like i've got some blood flowing to my brain so that when i look at my schedule for the day i'm actually awake. And all I did was 100 reps. So I still continue to do that. I feel like I would like to continue to do that.

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Lose 13 pounds in 13 weeks and build a strong, lean, and athletic body you're proud of. DieselDadDiet.com. Let's get back to the show. That's awesome. I feel like we put this stuff out. We know people do it, but actually talking to somebody that feels like a direct benefit from it i feel so so about it um yeah the uh what was your were you tracking food or anything like that i mean that was kind of so the the the first metric that we were testing is just getting up and getting moving just to get your day rolling and feeling good um and then tracking protein that was something we actually

thought a lot about like do we make it a macro thing then it gets really complicated you start getting into like endless questions from people and the number of times that we've interviewed people and it's like well carbs and fat are kind of interchangeable so you just eat what you like. But making sure you get the right number of grams of protein in your life was what we settled on because it seemed like most people probably aren't eating enough protein. And if they start eating the right amount of protein, they don't have to worry about carbs and fat because they're probably going to be full. That's exactly right.

That's a really good point because like I was saying last year, I could come home and I hadn't eaten maybe one meal and that had 40 or 50 grams of protein all day. So that was a big eye-opener for me because I had tracked my macros in the past, and I used MyFitnessPal, and I just started putting that stuff in. Well, when I did this challenge, I went back and started doing that again, and it was eye-opening to see that by the end of the day, I intermittent fast,

so I typically will have my protein shake after I work out at lunch. That's 30 grams. I'll do two or three scoops of that. And then I'll have lunch. That may be 30 grams. I probably won't get a snack or anything. So by the time I got home, I had 60 grams of protein. And I still got, I still got to get a hundred more grams. Wow. You know, and, and that had been,

that was the biggest eye openingopening experience for me was when I track that, doing the challenge, I'm like, man, I got to stuff in 80 more grams of protein. And that is not easy. It is not easy to do that. You know what my favorite days are? When I look at the macro tracker and it says like, oh, you have like 200 carbs left. I'm like, oh, I'm going to watch so much TV tonight and eat all the fruits. I might even throw a cookie in there. Why not? But it's protein.

You're like, wait a second. I got to get like three chicken breasts still? It's brutal. It's brutal. No, there's not that much protein. And I would eat like a thing of chicken. I'm like, oh, it's 30 grams. No,. I would eat like a thing of chicken. I'm like, no, you got to eat like three breasts of chicken. I started doing a lot more supplements.

I am a big supplement guy. Back in the day, I've done some epigenetic coaching. I really got down that. Hold on a second. We're coming back to that. Go ahead a second. We're coming back to that. Go ahead and we're coming back to that. Yeah. So I love supplements. I think that they, if you use them properly, they can be really beneficial. So not just amino acids, but essential amino acids to get a lot of your protein in. Humipro is a good,. Then, sweet powder protein. That really helped

me to supplement throughout my day because like I said, I might not eat until 2 o'clock because I'm so busy. I'm running around meeting people, calling people and stuff. There'll be days where I don't eat a meal until 2. Supplementing that, it's not a bad thing sometimes you got to do what you got to do. Weight protein is complete protein and it's super delicious. Weight protein I do 30 to 40 grams of casein before I go to bed I warm it up in some water and chug it down and it's like a little you know nightcap. Yeah you were an epigenetics coach. What does that even tell me what's going on there? Yeah. I mean, that was a short stay and I did that. It was back in 2016, 2017. Epigenetic coaching is where you basically, you know, you can do 23 and

me, get your gene, look at them and get an epigenetic coach that tells you how to change your genes according to your genetic code and so what you need to eat based on your genetic code what you need how you need to work out how you need to exercise um all these things i mean the list goes on and on and on epigenetics is how to change your genes according to that like if you wanted to let's say you're anders you're a strength yeah you probably have a lot of power and speed so that's what you want to focus on that you know you could dive into your genetics of why that is and what specifically you need to work on also maybe you have a genetic against injury so you could maybe you should do box jumps because genetically you're going to pull a muscle or something yeah so i did that for a little while, and I really went down that rabbit hole.

I helped some people with their genes and stuff, and it was a lot of fun. So I know a lot about supplements and those types of things and how to use them properly. Yeah. Wait, what are your top supplements? I mean whey protein, casein protein, that stuff's pretty normal. Do you take anything super fun? Yeah, I love Beetle Lead.

You guys are probably familiar with that. But, you know, typically your pre-workout is going to be full of all kinds of stimulants and stuff that make your face, you know, turn red. Yeah, little spiders crawl through your veins. Little spiders, through your veins. Little spiders. You know, I found that that really is detrimental to your liver. And so, Vita Elite is… You wouldn't say? You don't think Eno Explodes not beneficial for your liver? I don't know if Eno Explodes beneficial for anything except lifting weights.

Yeah, I cannot endorse or recommend it. Don't need to be sued on your podcast, but I am a big fan of beets. I think that the natural supplement of beets with nitric oxide, I feel a huge difference when I chug some beetles. So that's one.

You can get the capsules of essential protein or essential amino acids. And, you know, each tablet, each tablet's like five grams of actual protein and you pop, you know, four or five or six of those to get in your protein supplements for the day. Um, Humapro is the one I think I use for that. I like casein protein for bed. I just think it's, it just kind of, if you warm up some water, mix it, a couple scoops, stir it up, and just kind of sip on it for a little nightcap, it really helps you to soothe your body. And then lastly, I would say for your vitamins, you know, magnesium, zinc, those types of vitamins at night, vitamin D. I do those at night to help me to get into a nice sleep zone and kind of, you know, cool down for the day.

Yeah. Do you spend time intentionally training in front of your kids so they can see you doing it that way you can serve as a role model you're not just telling them to go be active and exercise but they actually see you doing it and so uh they know that you're you're kind of honest in your in your recommendations you're not being a hypocrite etc exactly yeah i love that that's exactly why i started the gym that's exactly why i was so passionate about it because I wanted my kids to see me exercise. I want my kids to see to death and I still miss him every day. But he wasn't the healthiest person. And so, you know, when he passed away, it really was a mind blow to me.

You know, my daughter was one at the time. I wanted her as the epitome of health. And the challenge was really, you know, that's why I love the challenge so much because I wasn't doing that last year. And I still feel like there's things that I could always be doing better. I'm always asking myself, how can I do something better? But showing my kids, my wife, she works out. We'll work out in the gym.

When I row, my kids are out there with me. They've always been around health gyms. And they grew up basically in a crossfit gym every time i was there they were with me yeah we have having the the garage or the gym be in the garage has been really cool um especially during quarantine i feel like my my daughter would just come down here and like hang out pick up up her little three pound weights. But I think most importantly, like just seeing like your parents working really hard, just like,

I don't think that she has a clue what, how much weight's on the bar, obviously, but she can see that whatever the hell I'm doing looks really challenging. And there's a very different vibe of what's going on and i think that's really important just in general seeing somebody working really hard at something has to has to carry over um have your kids taken any like a liking to lifting weights or come in and ask how do you do it and try to jump in? My daughter, my six-year-old, she's in all kinds of sports, and she loves it.

She'll be a good athlete, but she asks all the time. She likes to get on the rower and row, and I think that's a good thing for her. Does she play the fish game? No, I need to do that. I need to get her to play the fish game. I get Adelaide on the fish game all the time she loves it she's got great pulling mechanics right now still can't get the fish all the way to the top of the screen by herself we're working on it that's great no i need to

this game is like built for two-year-olds about that strap her a little tiny feet and they're so tight yeah so no i haven't done specifically but you know they do see me working out and your kids are going to do what you do yeah you know and and i always have that mindset like there's somebody there's always somebody watching yeah okay and whether it's my kids or a client or someone in the neighborhood or someone in the community, you know, somebody is always watching. So, um, in the, in the gym, I try to keep proper form and, and here at the house, you know, when I'm working out, I want the kids to see me. I'll sometimes bring a dumbbell in here when I'm doing a hundred reps and the

kids are up and do it in front of them. And they'll want to, they've got some pink little baby weights, that one pound weights weights or whatever they'll come in and do it with me yeah so yeah i agree i think that's really important um when you are laying out is is that like a yearly planning thing you may you pulled up a sheet earlier that had like financial yeah yeah this is that every year. This is the first year I've done this. Now I've always done a business plan. I've always done a business plan.

I think it's really important. I know you guys do a business plan too for barbell shrugged. Any business that wants to grow and survive needs to do a business plan. I've never done an extensive plan that involves my family, my health, my spiritual well--being being a personal developer and so that that was one of the categories the health category for me is to not maybe not get back to where I was in 2016 when I was doing garage games and stuff but at least get back to where um you know where know, where I was healthy, feeling good. I mean, you saw those pictures I sent you. That was not a good me at 207. And I want to get down to like 195.

So having those goals for your whole year, printing them out and having them here beside me just makes it more attainable. And it's also in front of you and yeah do you when i mean getting down to like 195 that do you have any i feel like in crossfit when you're when you're in that hardcore kind of training experience and there's benchmark workouts um do you still have like that you judge yourself by or want to achieve? Is that still a part of it? That's hard, right? It's hard. Yeah, it's a good because I wanted to, like I said at the beginning of the podcast, I wanted to find something to accomplish find something to

break and you know how many people said i should run a half marathon or marathon by everybody oh you should run a half marathon no i'm not running a half marathon it's not happening my body was not meant for that it's just no i'm not doing that. I'd be bored. I ran a half marathon, and it was the sickest. It was the most sick I've ever been in my life. For like five days after, my body purged everything that went in it, everything that was in it, and it was awful. I've never been so sick. Me and Jamey Anders did a Tough Mudder in 2012. It took three

hours and it was 12 miles. And I will never, after that, I will never run that distance ever again. So no, I don't have any benchmarks. My benchmark is when I go in and I do the Ask the E-Mom, how did I feel? Did I push myself? Do I feel good? Could I have done more? Did I leave it all there? And if the answer is no, well, then tomorrow I'm going to push it and I'm going to make sure I leave it all there.

If the answer is yes, that was my benchmark for the day. I mean, unfortunately, I don't care about bench pressing 355 anymore. I don't care about deadlifting or squatting heavy. I care about that I leave it all in the gym so I feel good and I come back home and provide for my family and feel good and play with them. Yeah, I feel like that was – I feel like the mental health aspects of physical training is like the main thing that i do it for these days like i do it for my physical health too

obviously i still want to be lean and have muscle mass and all that but like but like the especially like the short-term driver for any day of training is like man i just need to go fucking work out and then when i get done working out and while i'm working out i feel so much better the whole rest of the day like i just have more mental clarity. I can focus easier. I'm happier and just more pleasant to be around. It helps so many things. Yeah, you posted that you did a 30-minute row the other day.

And I do that every Sunday. But it's not just for me to go out and go row. I feel like it's for my family because most of the time, if I don't train on Saturday, by the time like midday Sunday rolls around, I am antsy. I'm irritable. I need to go train. I need to go do something. I need to just like get moving. And just 20 minutes is all I need. A little time to check in and go train. But it is weird when you have that transition from having benchmarks in the back squat

or your Fran or whatever. Whatever benchmark means something to you. It could even just be the Open. It's like Open season coming up. People are going to be losing their minds and pushing for betterment in the scoreboard stuff. open uh it's like open season coming up like people are going to be losing their minds and pushing for betterment in the scoreboard stuff and it i get the question from friends every year like you could do it this year and i'm like sure no i don't want to do that no like it's that it's

in it and they're like well you don't have to worry about how good you go well you're not understanding that like that is the reason i don't want to do it is because there's a number next to how well i did where my current metric is am i just doing it and having fun and feeling better and then it's a way more subjective like approach to, but I hope it stays around for a really long time because there's no way that I'm not, I'm going to go do 21.1 and be on a leaderboard wondering where I'm at. And if I'm, if I'm in shape or not right now, it's like, no, I'm, I'm fantastic. I get to do the things I like to do. Exactly. Yeah, that's exactly right. I like what Doug said about mental health. Just go back on that point real quick. I was doing really long workouts

back before we moved, and I get the same benefit out of doing the 15, 25, 30 minutes EMOM that I did doing the two hours or the hour and a half or whatever I worked out. Yeah. I feel like just that,

just getting your body moving, your performance going, just your creativity goes up, your mental health goes up, you feel better. Um, my wife does three or four days a week. She loves going to the classes that FitRef has.

So she'll go to the classes. She feels so much better. And, and I feel like that it isn't talked enough about in our society about the mental health. Mental health is a taboo anyway, but there's so many little things that could be done to help with that. I feel like yeah we you mentioned a couple times that you you've written down your goals you seem like you're very structured with all that have you always been like that and do you have like a

process for for goal setting and staying on track for yourself so i use the i use a sales journal and i write down my day in that and And then I also have Microsoft Outlook. But here's the deal. In 2011, 2012, when I started in sales, I sucked. I did terrible. I was not good. Just like when I started doing CrossFit. I couldn't do a double under.

I couldn't do, you know, the first time I did, I don't know what it was, 12. or whatever we did barbara and then 100 double unders and then muscle ups right the first year i did that i didn't finish i didn't finish 150 wall balls the second year i finished the wall balls and i got three double unders the next year i got all the way to muscle ups and i did two and next year after that i got all the way to muscle ups and I did two. And next year after that, I got all the way to muscle ups and I think I did 12 to 13. So it's constantly getting better. When I started in sales, I did terrible, but you get to surround yourself with people that are successful. You have to surround yourself with people that are successful. So I listened to podcasts. I had you guys on there. I listened to every Zig Ziglar book there was and every sales book out there. And I started to realize structuring, how to structure, how to keep track, how to do that. And then once I did that, I did so much better. So I have a couple of different things

that I use to structure my routines, my regimen, my day-to-day, who I'm going to call, what I'm on prospect, and those types of things. And there's a lot within our system, our CRM as well. But it is really important to keep track of those things because you can see how well you've progressed, right? That's what CrossFit is so successful. I had been so successful because you can see, you can measure it. Like you said, Andrew, you can measure it like you said andrews you can measure how well you're doing from one year to the next and so keeping track of that i mean 2017 i had the worst sales year ever and i had to go back and see why that was and it was because i i had let myself down i'd basically not been doing what I was supposed to be doing.

I let a relationship within our office bother me to the point where I didn't want to make sales. Well, that didn't help me. That hurt me, hurt my family. 2018, I came out of that. I saw what I did. I saw my failures. I learned from it. And then 2018, I came out stronger, and I broke some personal best records.

And then this past January, I broke a personal record for sales in one month. So keeping track of those things are very, very important to me. Have you always been pretty good at objectively viewing your own, whether it's training or business but sitting down it's objectively viewing everything going into work and life and family how do you want another as like a second question how do you do it with your family with family goals yeah that's a great question no the short answer is no i've not always been good at this but but here's the deal. If, if I didn't know, I've always been good at asking people. I've always been good at searching out people like Barbell Shrug. I've always been good at knowing what I'm not good at and where to find it.

And so I moved from, from where I was in North Carolina to North Carolina because the best sales rep in our district worked there. I wanted to be where he was because I wanted to learn from him and I wanted to be better. Actually, at the very beginning when he came on, he did so well, I was jealous. I had to take a step back and say, why am I jealous? Because he's successful. Why is he successful? Because he's doing what we're supposed to be doing. I need to follow him. And so I moved to his office to be successful like him. So no, I haven't, but I always know where to go.

I feel like I've done a good job of knowing where to go to find what I need to know to progressively get better yeah um second question is i feel like my wife is my my wife is the glue to our family okay and you guys probably agree or disagree with this i it's hard to have patience with three little kids right doug Doug? Or one. Or one. Sure. Or one, Anders. It's hard. My wife is the one in our family that keeps the glue, keeps the structure going.

She is the rock of the family. And I don't try to mess with that much. If I have ideas or something, we'll have group discussions. I feel like we do a good job of communicating. You have to after eight years of marriage. But at the end of the day, she's the one. And she says we need to do this. We'll have a discussion.

But she's the one that really does a lot of that yeah I feel like my wife drives drives the ship most of the time as well that's why I'm in the garage exactly my wife my kids would have like one pair of shoes each and one pair of pants and like that's your T-shirt. Take care of it. On the outside of the pants. Yeah. So tell me now that we're done with 30 days,

have you kept up with the 100 reps in the morning training? Still getting after it? Still getting after it. I'm still doing everything everything i still do the three the three so you know still got all the points and everything um yeah no i i'm still doing it i still plan on rocking it and uh my goal is to get down i think i told you 195 at 15 body fat so last time i measured i was 18% body fat at 200. So still got some ways to go, but I feel good about my progress and where I'm going.

I've got some good goals, and I look forward to the future. Dude, you're six foot, right? I think that's what you wrote me in the email. Yeah. Six foot, 18% body fat. That's like, it's not, it's not an, uh,

like an overweight human being by any means. 15% is a great goal, but I feel like 18 is like, you did, you did, you crushed it. You did a great job. Yeah.

That's why you won. Four and a half pictures are awesome. I appreciate that, man. How did you come up with the metric of who was a winner? Uh, well, I appreciate that, man. How did you come up with the metric of who was a winner? Well, mainly the people that did the – as with anything, people that did it right wrote back and had great results. The people that fell off in the middle didn't write, and didn't tell us the results. The pool shrinks pretty dramatically from day one to day 30 as any New Year's resolution is going to.

Oh, sure. The other person that we chose to win, we're going to end up spending a lot of time talking about mental health. I've talked to him on the phone a couple times. I talk to him on DMS all the time. And, um, he's been through a ton of stuff.

Like, um, as far as like a transformation, uh, physical transformation and easy to look at, um, you, you crushed it.

Um, as far as like the mental transformation, which there's like the utopian goal of this one day in which we're going to make the Diesel Dad like a really cool thing. I think that there's like everything you've said in the last hour is exactly why we created this. And that there's a ton of guys just like us that trained really, really hard in our twenties. And we all found CrossFit and we all went in there and hit it hard and trained and ate and all of our best friends were also our training partners. And we went to the gym every day and it was like

the most important part of our day. I owned a gym, you owned a gym, Doug owned a gym. Like we all share this common thing that in our twenties, it's how we gained the edge in life. It gave us additional, like an extra boost, that confidence to go up and talk to the girl or to make the sales call or to, you know, have this extra, extra little push of like, well, if I could squat 400, I can definitely go talk to her. If I, if I could squat 400, I could definitely pick the phone up. And somewhere along the way, all those things that you're striving for happen, but you don't know how to recreate that edge and recreate that excitement and be around people that share that story. Because a lot of times you get the girl and then you get the kids and then you get the mortgage and then you get

the job and you get everything you want. And then on the other side of it, you go, well, shit, what do I do now? and what happens is you stop going to the gym or you stop having that like edge and when you lose the edge you get depressed and you don't really and then it's like oh well i'm like 15 pounds overweight and now i don't feel that great i've got so far to go it's like you really don't have that far to go you've got 30 days just get your shit together. Do the thing that you used to do when you were 25. Stop worrying about chasing your old self and let's go.

And that was the reason we wanted to do just the 30-day challenge kickoff. Really, it's like the, yo, you know how to do this. There's a whole bunch of dads out here right now that are just like us that just need that kick in the ass to say like look it's cool you're still allowed to train really hard you're still allowed to go to the gym and and be a savage the difference is like you're not going to regionals you don't need to squat 400 you don't need to do any of that you don't need to do any of that. You don't need to chase your 24 year old self. What you need to do is man up and go and find that fire again. And I think that we've done a really good job finding the right people. Like it's not just about dads.

It's about really like the culture of training hard and yeah the community um that that's like that's in my brain that was like what i really wanted to like the superhero that i created because we were quarantined stuck in my house i'm playing babysitter most of the time right like what do i do to get the edge in my life when i'm stuck here handing babies back and forth in between meetings and podcasts? It's like, well, I'm going to wake up at five because nobody else will. I'm going to go straight to the gym because nobody else will. Shrug family, we're going to take a very short break because I want you to get over to dieseldaddiet.com. Right now, dieseldaddiet.com. That is where you're going to optimize your metabolism lose 13 pounds in 13 weeks and build a strong lean athletic body where you that you are proud of

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and I eat a certain way because it makes me feel good. There's a lot of people that have had that story their entire life and then it all happened. It worked. They only had a life plan until

32. 33 happened and they hadn't done shit for a year so we get to reunite all those all those dads that trained really hard in their 20s and early 30s and and really cared about fitness and now uh we call them diesel dads because we like to be strong lean and athletic without sacrificing family fatherhood and fitness i love it i gotta get one of those posters i love that poster there it is rock yeah the shirts rock man the shirt that i got it's a great let me ask you guys a question since we're on the topic of garage gyms and stuff during the pandemic what do you feel like is going to change in the fitness industry? CrossFit came in and it revolutionized fitness, I feel like. It really changed the world. Now, do you see gyms just closing down

and everybody going to online fitness or garage fitness or coaching or barbell shrug fitness? What do you think the future holds for that? I think it's already happened in many ways. Like many gyms have closed down, which that was kind of already happening. There was already a consolidation and people were, you know, they did their 10-year run running their gym and they were kind of ready to get out anyway. And COVID just kind of pushed them over the edge. And so a lot of people shut down. Some people surely didn't want to, but many people may have wanted to.

So coming back out of COVID eventually, there'll be fewer, but I think better gyms because the gyms that go out of business will kind of predominantly be the people that weren't running a very tight ship anyway. They didn't have a lot of cash. Maybe their membership base wasn't very good. They're kind of already getting by, et cetera. You know, the best gyms are going to be the ones that survive the longest that goes for covid or or not covid um just running a good high quality good well-run company is you know the way to go i think that's a component to everyone's training in their garage right now like like we all do and so so many more people have built garage gyms over the last year and once you buy like a squat

rack and a barbell well you want to you want to keep that going like you you want to you always want like the next thing it's like it's fun to go buy the next piece of equipment to get your adjustable dumbbells and your rower and and whatever so so many more people are going to have garage gyms um and then you know so many fitness people now have transitioned from just doing in-person stuff to doing online stuff. And when COVID's over, none of that's going to go away. All those people are going to keep their online platforms because they see the benefits of having the online platform, not just from a COVID perspective, but also if something like COVID happens again, people are going to want that stability to have the online thing.

But I think, I think one of the best models right now for people, you know, just like us are, is to have a small gym, which is like their, their clubhouse, so to speak.

It's their laboratory. It's where they go to hang out with their friends and then, and train themselves of course. But then really they're making all their big profit online. You know, the gym just breaks even. And then the, the online thing is really the thing that gives them kind of extra cash.

That way they can, they can hang out in the gym all day, but not have to worry about money in the same way that they would if they were just running off memberships. Yeah. I think there's also going to be a huge market, uh, for really high,

high end personal training, small, small group to one to three people. Um, I think that that's actually going to be a massive market. If you can really make a, create a special experience and a 400 square foot facility with nice equipment, good vibe, super clean. Um, and relationships are never going away. So, right.

That's exactly right. And right now people are lonelier than ever. So paying for relationships is going to be a thing for sure. I have a selfish personal question for Doug. So when you guys started Barbell Shrug, what was the game plan? Like in 2012, when you guys got together and you started Barbell Shrug, what were you thinking? Were you thinking, oh, we're just going to get a group of friends together and we're going to talk about our fitness because that's what we love and do right now? Or is this thing going to organically grow and spread and it's going to be as massive as it is today?

Well, certainly we couldn't predict the rate of growth that we experienced. That was unexpected and really, really fun, of course. Podcasting was on the rise. CrossFit was on the rise. And we kind of just rode that wave without really knowing that was going to happen. We didn't know that. We were just lucky that it happened to be a thing. and so in mid 2011 um i i had was acting me back a little more in 2006 i had really wanted to try and start an online company like that was i always wanted to have an online thing um for many many years and so i i started blogging and i sold some affiliate products so i showed i sold some uh some of john berardi's products gourmet nutrition and and a few others. But I'm not really much of a writer. That's not my thing. I'm much better on podcasts or video. And so in 2011, I kind of scrapped that idea in graduate school. And then we started the gym. And then in 2011, I got a smartphone. And I could just very quickly record HD video and upload straight to YouTube. Then I

started making technique quad videos. And that was my free content. I already knew how to develop an email list and, and do kind of like mass broadcasting because I already have all that stuff set up for the members at the gym. So I could just, you know, email all 200 members or whatever. Again, this is kind of pre, um, you know, pre Instagram social media wasn't quite as big yet. A lot of people had Facebook of course in 2011, but it's not what it was. It's 10 years later it's it's much much different now right right and so the basically like the the structure of the business back then in mid-2011 was to create technique videos to teach people how to lift weights and then to do seminars at my gym do a nutrition seminar do mobility seminars do a nutrition seminar, do mobility seminars, do a squat seminar, whatever,

record all that stuff, and then sell digital information products online. And so the model had already existed. And then, you know, late 2011, early 2012, we started recording episodes for Barbell Shrugged. It was kind of, it was its own separate thing at that time. And then very quickly, we realized that, oh oh this is really fun and we're producing something that's kind of cool and people are are liking it and this is going to be the thing that that catches traction this is going to be the reason that this is going to be like the the marketing engine behind this whole company and so um so technique wad kind of took a back seat to hold on one second bud but I'm almost done. Diesel dad stuff right here.

Kids show up on podcasts all the time now. So yeah, technique WOD kind of took a backseat is like, yeah, uh, as the kind of main free content and Barbra Strug took over as our main free content. And then technique WOD kind of just got woven into those episodes and was like a, it was just another series that we were doing, but Barbra Strug was really like the main thing that was, that was working and and so we kind of followed that model for a while we were where we were creating free content free podcasts free videos and then we were selling seminars you know chris moore he did his simple strength and i did maximum

mobility and faction boost interest course and like kind of all those old early products of ours that are still all in the vault if anyone wants to see them but then once we started the muscle gain challenge and we started doing year-long coaching programs signing up for 12 months for 150 bucks a month with coaching and we started signing up many hundreds of people for those programs that was when we were like okay this is like a real company uh yeah and we're making we're making real money and we can travel the world and and do all these cool shows in person and not have to do them over zoom like we're doing right now like in person is totally where it's at and it kind of just grew from there yeah that's fantastic now

that was i called when i called jay mand this morning, I said, what should I ask on the podcast? And he said, well, after you freak out for being on Barbell Shrug, you should ask what the idea was at the very beginning. So I love that. And I love – I appreciate all the content you guys have given me over the years. So I greatly appreciate it. Well, you're the only don go ahead i was gonna just toss this in at the end of the episode here you mentioned chris moore earlier uh for any fans of the show that um you know loved chris and want to hear kind of how his family's doing i i see his

um his wife her name is janie she She lives here in Memphis where I live. And so I actually see her all the time and their kids. And they, you know, having their dad just spontaneously, totally unexpectedly pass away, you know, that can be rough on a family for sure. And, you know, they had a process of grieving and all that. But I really feel like they've handled it and come out of it like in the best possible way and so uh that janie is now dating uh another guy and and uh they're likely going to get married very soon and they're they're also pregnant and having a little boy so chris moore's family is is doing, very well. Good.

All the kids are going off right now. Doug's got one in the lap. You're telling one to be quiet. Yeah, my two. This is why we wake up at 5 a.m. Oh, yeah, it's nonstop. Hey, dude, if people want insurance, how do they find you? This is the part of the show. If you live in Tennessee, you can find me at countryfinancial.com backslash William Stiles.

I love it. S-T-Y-L-E-S. I'm on Instagram. I think it's William.Stiles, countryfinancial or something. You're the only person on the show that doesn't know their instagram handle like immediately it's like it's like everyone else's lifeblood you're like ah like instagram kind of yeah i've got it i'll pull it up here i don't know but yeah i mean um uh since you're in north carolina out to my former employers of North Carolina Farm Bureau, great company.

I love working for them and they're just super stellar country financial. It's william.countryfinancial. There it is. Thank you so much, Anders. william.countryfinancial at Instagram, but shout out to Farm Bureau, North Carolina.

I worked there for eight years, started country financial here, which is a national company. And they're also Farm Bureau subsidiary of illinois farm bureau so still in the farm bureau family but yes if you want to if you want some good insurance and a good provider beautiful and a good insurance agent that's going to call you when they're working from home with two kids here running around in the snow because that's what I've been doing all day. There you go.

You call me, William Stiles. There it is. Doug Larson. I'm on Instagram. Doug with C. Larson. Dude, this was a lot of fun. I appreciate you coming on. I'm Anders Varner.

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