Barbell Shrugged - How to HEAL: Translating your thoughts to actions - with Kelly Gores - Active Life Radio #14

Episode Date: October 25, 2019

Are you sick and tired of being sick and tired?    What if you could reduce your medical visits and HEAL yourself simply by changing your outlook?   This exact thought is what led our guest, Kelly Gores, to produce and direct HEAL the documentary.   This episode discusses how Kelly got started on her journey, questions how well the current healthcare system is truly working and reveals some startling research on how positive thinking and placebo provided better outcomes than medicine alone for cancer patients.   If you or someone you know are fighting an uphill battle against the medical system, you don’t want to miss what Kelly has to say.   Minute Breakdown:   8:40 - Following what lights you up 19:13 - Healthcare or Sickcare? The active v. passive solution 28:52 - Can a health care coach lower your need for a doctor’s visit? 39:00 - Turning your life around by finding the gift in every problem 47:20 - When to “love from a distance” with those who aren’t ready   Please Support our Sponsors   Organifi - Save 20% at http://organifi.com/shrugged Ned - Save 15% using the code “SHRUGGED” at http://helloned.com   Show resources: For more information on HEAL documentary or to order HEAL the book visit www.Healdocumentary.com HEAL documentary is available on iTunes, Amazon, Vimeo & Netflix   Social Media Links: @healdocumentary on IG, Twitter, FB @kellygores on IG & @kellyngores on Twitter & FB   Work with an Active Life Coach: http://activeliferx.com/shrugged Find Dr. Sean at @DrSeanPastuch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Show notes: http://www.shruggedcollective.com/alr-gores ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ► Subscribe to Shrugged Collective's Channel Here http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedSubscribe 📲 🎧 Listen to the audio version on the Apple Podcast App or Stitcher for Android Here- http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedApple http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedStitcher Shrugged Collective is a network of fitness, health and performance shows that help people achieve their physical and mental health goals.  Usually in the gym, but outside as well. In 2012 they posted their first Barbell Shrugged podcast and have been putting out weekly free videos and podcasts ever since. Along the way we've created successful online coaching programs including The Shrugged Strength Challenge, The Muscle Gain Challenge, FLIGHT, Barbell Shredded, and Barbell Bikini. We're also dedicated to helping affiliate gym owners grow their businesses and better serve their members by providing owners tools and resources like the Barbell Business Podcast. Find Shrugged Collective and their flagship show Barbell Shrugged here: SUBSCRIBE ON ITUNES ► http://bit.ly/ShruggedCollectiveiTunes WEBSITE ► https://www.ShruggedCollective.com INSTAGRAM ► https://instagram.com/shruggedcollective FACEBOOK ► https://facebook.com/barbellshruggedpodcast TWITTER ► http://twitter.com/barbellshrugged

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Kelly Gores is the producer of Heal the documentary. She's our guest today. And Heal the documentary changed my life. No bullshit. Changed my life. She interviews some of the most preeminent professionals in the alternative, which is such a ridiculous name, by the way, medicine space in the world. People like Deepak Chopra are in the documentary, if you've heard of him. She learns from these people about the methods with which we can help ourselves, heal ourselves, without medication, without surgical interventions. In one case in the movie, for example, she finds out that the placebo in many cases actually is more successful at solving the problem than the drug that it's tested against is. But nobody talks about that.

They just sell the drug. That's fucked up. In another part of the documentary, they talked about patients being on chemotherapy for their cancer, for tumors. And one of the professionals in the documentary talks about how one group just was given chemo and they had their average chemo results. Another group was given chemo and they were told every day to meditate and think in their meditation about little piranha biting away pieces of their tumor. Guess which group got better faster? Now, I want to be clear with you guys. By no means am I saying or is Kelly saying that modern medicine is useless,

detractive, or worthless. We both believe it's valuable. We believe it is overused, over-dependent on, and in many cases removes the power from you to help yourself. And we don't want that to be the case anymore. So enjoy this episode with Kelly Gores, the producer of Heal the Documentary. Go to HealDocumentary.com, buy the book, and yeah, live a better life, guys. Let's get you to the show. Kelly Gores, welcome to the Active Life Podcast. Thank you. Awesome to be here. I am pumped to have you on today. So I would love to know what it was that inside of you was burning where you said, I need to do a documentary on all of the things that nobody

is paying attention to that everybody is suffering from? Yes. Well, I wish it was an easy answer. I've had a lifetime of curiosity trying to figure out how things work, what the meaning of life is, and how the universe works. And I just started to become fascinated with how our thoughts become things, you know, the law of attraction, all of that stuff. And, and then translating it to just how incredible the human body is. So, you know, just life took me through a series of events that a lot of people will ask if I had my own healing crisis, and that is not the case, thank God.

I didn't lose someone close to me to a devastating illness, which would seem like a kind of obvious catalyst to make this thing, put this thing into motion. But it really, you know, I grew up in the entertainment industry. Film is the medium where I feel like, you know, it's very powerful. Storytelling is powerful. It can change people's lives. I've been changed by a lot of films. And ultimately, it was just this calling. I read, you know, all the people that I put in the film, whether I saw them speak at an event or, you know, going to Michael Beckwith's church,

reading Bruce Lipton's book, all of these things made me understand how incredible the human body is and how our, how our minds really co-create our life, our thoughts, beliefs, and emotions co-create our life. And I just was like, I got to put these people in a film because everybody kept coming up to me asking like, what are you, how are you so happy? How are you manifesting all this stuff? What, tell me the secret. What do I do? And so I just was like, I'm just going to put all my teachers in a film, people that changed my life, and hopefully it'll empower others to change their own. Well, I think that's a pretty awesome reason to do it. And it's interesting that you say everybody's been asking you, did you have a major tragedy

or a healing occurrence in your life that made you want to do it. Because I think that it's simple for people to understand running hard from pain. It's less simple for people to understand running hard towards aspiration. And what I took from HEAL in a big way was that we should be aspirational about how healthy we can be. We should be aspirational about how positively we can think and how those thoughts can elicit emotions and how those emotions can elicit actions. So have you always been the kind of person who thinks aspirationally as opposed to detractively? Yes. I always had big, big hopes and dreams. I just wanted to be, I don't know what it was. I just wanted to contribute. I wanted to have my life to have meaning really I wanted to be an actor my whole life.

You know, I was aspiring to get that Oscar, which, you know, in hindsight, pretty funny that I. But, you know, it led me to where I am today, you know, and part of the reason I saw in my 20s, part of the reason that I saw so many healers and went to energy workers and different types of therapy and hypnotherapy because I wanted to get out of my own way when it came to acting. You know, I was such a people pleaser and trying to do everything right and and totally getting in the way of being a free, creative, expressing being, you know, which you need to be if you're going to be a good actor. So I just think it's interesting, even though, you know, I ended up not continuing to act. It led me to where I am today, because I experienced all these people and practitioners to get me to get me out of my own way, you know, and then it led me down. And I started paying attention. In my late 20s. I got so fired up talking about, you know, the power of the mind and how our thoughts and our mindset and our attitude really shape our life and what we believe and expect to be possible, you know. And I was fired up talking about that. And then I wasn't so fired up talking about acting anymore or even acting if I booked a job. So I started to pay attention to that. And, like, you know, acting kind of drained my energy when I was thinking about it. It was very stressful. And then when I talked about all of this other stuff that

eventually became HEAL, it just, it gave me energy. And I always tell people, follow that, follow what makes you light up talking about it or doing it, you know? Yeah. It's, it's, it's amazing to hear you say that because I had such a parallel experience in my life. I was working in a clinic. I was seeing patients. I owned a gym. I was, by all measures of common society, successful. And I had this thing I was running on the side, this active life company where we were

helping people get out of pain without going to the doctor, missing the gym. And I loved it everything about it lit me up to the point that I use the analogy one day that coming into a busy clinic on a Monday which normally make a doctor pumped up I felt like I drove a Ferrari right into a lake and it was like over and over and over again looking at that I'm like yeah you know what I have to start doing what feels like I'm on the freeway, not in the lake. So did you have help coming to that recognition, uh, recognition, or was that something that you've always been able to think about yourself? Um, I think probably the biggest help in that

realm was, um, going to Agape and Michael Beckwith. He's in the film, he's a pastor. It's a, it's a, they call it a trans denominational church. You know, there's people from all shapes, colors, sizes, backgrounds, religious beliefs. And he, you know, it's this universal kind of spiritual elements that are at the base of every religion. So he, you know, listening to his talks and his, and his sermons really got me paying attention to how I feel, you know, because going there, it made you feel good. And so I started to pay attention to feeling good and, and, and, and using that,

how you feel as kind of the signposts and the guideposts and the, and the lampposts of what path you're supposed to be on. I love that. It's crazy because people are always, at least my experience, I shouldn't speak for other people. I'm always searching for a feeling. I'm never searching for anything else. You know, if my company burned to the ground, it's how it would make me feel that I wanted to avoid. If my company did what it's supposed to do, it's how it would make me feel that i wanted to avoid if my company did what it's supposed to do it's how it would make me feel that i want to pursue so it's it's not about like the numbers or the the dollars or the the bedroom right exactly right so there's a lot of undeniable stuff that i saw in the film, right? Stuff that is not refutable in a sense of,

oh, well, that's just, you know, that happened for that person. Like, for example, the biology of belief, right? Where Dr. Bruce Lipson talked about the idea that cells will choose their function based on the environment that they're in. For people who don't know what I'm talking about, watch the film there's an experiment that dr libson references where the same type of cells are put into different types of petri fluid and they become different types of soft tissue structure but there's still so many people who will watch something like this or who would not even sit down to watch something like Heel because they call it their it's California woo woo or that's that's all fluffy shit you know how do you how do we start to help those people get out of their own way?

Yeah it's it's tough because you know everybody's like oh I'm you know it's evidence-based research and and and the funny thing is I've tried to put as much science into the film as I can, because to me, I'm not an expert. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a researcher. But when I, all these people, when I read their work, it resonated on such a core level that I knew it's truth with a capital T. You know, I know that there's so much more potential and possibility when it comes to healing and just the potential of the human mind and body. And so there is so much evidence-based research backing all of these, you know, quote unquote,

spiritual teacher and scientists and doctors in the film. So, you know, I think it's also funny that people call acupuncture and hypnotherapy and energy medicine, all these things alternative or woo-woo when they've been around and effective and working for thousands of years, you know, these ancient modalities. So, you know, we tried to kind of blend ancient modalities and natural medicine with new science, like quantum physics and everything. And I'm actually shocked at the lack of amount of pushback we've gotten. You know, I was expecting we were going to be on Quack Watch and all these people, a lot of haters would have come out of the woodwork. But it's just,

I think, you know, hopefully I have a nice blend of science and, and woo woo. Well, I think, I think that there was a level of respect in the film that allowed people to understand that you're not telling anybody what to do. You're not telling anybody you need to go find a hypnotherapist or you need to go find an herbalist or you need you didn't tell anybody what they should do you just laid out information and allowed people to make their own decisions so for anybody to come out and um throw hate at it would would really be a very clear mirror right back at themselves you would have hope. You would hope. Which would be unfortunate.

But the thing, speaking of the science and the film, one of the things that grabbed me early and had me say, okay, I wasn't paying enough attention. I'm going to rewind

and watch everything I watched from here to this moment and then continue with that kind of intent was when the, I believe he was an organic chemist, maybe a biochemist

and I forget his name. I don't want to flip through my notes here right now. David Hamilton. David Hamilton talked about the idea that sometimes the placebos outperform the medications that make it to market. Yes. And that for me was staggering. That was the moment where I was like, whoa, that's a big deal. And nobody's talking about that.

And were you in the room for all these interviews? Were you doing all the interviews? I was, yes. Did moments like that hit you the same way that they hit me? Oh, yeah. There was a few jaw-dropping, like, what? I mean, the stories, you know, the film is a little over an hour and a half,

and I have almost 20 hours of interviews with these guys, which were released last year with Hay House on the Online Summit. But it was like, some of the stories they shared, it was just jaw-dropping. And, like, I just want to shake Western medicine sometimes because it's like, what are the pharmaceutical industry or whatever? Again, we're not, we're not anti Western medicine. We're not anti pharmaceuticals, but it's just, we have, I wanted to really shine a light of awareness. So people know what they're dealing with, you know, pharma is a business and they're

going to share the information that benefits their profits and kind of shove the other information that will make people go, what, like this placebo results and keep that hidden. What's most crazy to me, and maybe you have some insight to this as well, is knowing the other side, being the company, for example, who maybe did the placebo study and found that the placebo was equally affected. There is money to be made in educating on how to do that for people, I would think. Yeah, yeah, I agree. And that's kind of like where I'm hoping to go. It's like we should be able to exploit the placebo effect and learn how to condition someone with the actual drug.

And then after a week or two or a month or whatever, depending on the power of the drug, take that drug away, replace it with a sugar pill. And I mean, this is theoretical. I'm not, I'm not suggesting anyone do this, but based on the placebo, if the person is then conditioned that this drug is going to have a certain effect on their body, and then it's replaced with a sugar pill, that person will expect and believe that pill to have the same exact effect because they're thinking they're still getting the drug and their body will release and believe that pill to have the same exact effect because they're thinking they're still getting the drug and their body will release and produce the exact chemistry that the drug was giving them. So our body is the best pharmacy and our brain based on conditioning and expectation

and belief about what's going to happen will create everything we need. We don't need the pill. Sometimes we need the pill to get us over the hump or the pill to condition us to a certain effect. But then, you know, we can eventually get to a place where we're not having all the toxic side effects as well. Yeah, that would be wild. It'd be really cool. And, you know, I wonder if when I'm watching, for example, right now, as we record this, one of the Democratic national debates just happened for the next presidential election. And they spend all of this time talking about health care. And all of these people have different ideas for how to get health care better.

Medicare for all. Medicare for all who want it. All the different options. And I'm sitting there trying not to throw my water bottle at the TV to say, you're, you're all thinking the wrong way. We don't have healthcare. We have sick care. Right.

And if we could prevent things on the front side, it would, it would solve so many of our issues. But that's, but that's, that's a, that's a harder pill quote for other people to swallow because it means they have to do something. So I want to get to the idea of that because one of the things I liked most

about a lot of the methods that you showed in the documentary are that they are active. And what I mean by that is people had to go and sit down with a therapist and talk about something and then go home and continue to practice it they had to add movement to their lives they had to change their diet I mean we talk about the the nine factors to rapid remission I wrote them down here and it was radical diet change taking taking control of health, following your intuition, using herbs and supplements, releasing suppressed emotions, increasing positive emotions, embracing social support, deepening spiritual connection, and having a strong reason to live. None of those are passive. Right. And we're looking for passive solutions.

Yeah, a lot of people, and this is kind of the problem, we've been conditioned to believe that the solution is outside of ourself. So when we get a cancer diagnosis or we find out we have MS or Lyme disease, we just feel like a helpless victim, and we're hanging on the doctor's every word and not educating ourselves because we're just conditioned to believe that the doctors went through the eight, 10 years of education and practice, and they know way more than we do. But we're in a phase now in history where we have so much information at our fingertips. And if you look into the education of doctors, they're not educated that everything's connected. They're educated in a

specialized manner. They don't, they don't get enough, um, class in, in school where that shows how much nutrition and sleep and all of these things affect our health and stress, you know? Um, so we really need to educate ourselves. We really need to take our power back. But the problem is because we've given our power away for so long, you know, we, it, it takes a lot of hard work, responsibility, accountability to, to make the drastic lifestyle changes you need to heal a chronic illness. And that's, that's what you're talking about. It takes, and there's a certain type of people, these radical remission people that did all those nine things that were sent home to die, but they healed because they took action. There's two stories from my life that I think you'll find interesting that I'd like to share

with you based on what you just said. The first one is I had a cough for, I don't know, eight years, like a post-nasal drip. And one of my staff members was like, dude, you have to go see somebody. I said, fine, I'll go see somebody. So I go see this, this renowned pulmonologist who is fairly local to me. I'm on Long Island. We have access to people who have that kind of acumen. And he does all these tests and he's like, yeah, I think what happened was a while back, you got sick and you developed a cough and then you just kept on coughing every time you felt that thing and it became almost like a habit of yours. So take this medication.

It's going to be an anti-inflammatory. It's going to reduce the amount of things you're going to feel in the back of your throat. You won't cough for like a week or two and then you won't need to cough anymore. So I said, okay. So you're telling me that this is not, I don't need to cough when I think I need to cough. And he said, yeah.

I said, then I don't need the medication. I'm just going to stop coughing. And that was two years, that was like a year and a half, two years ago. And it's been gone, which is crazy. He was two years that was like a year and a half two years ago and it's been gone which is crazy it was just knowing that amazing yes and the other one is when you walk across the stage to get your doctorate they teach you and this one i i want i would love a response on you from they teach you above all to no harm right and i think that the mistake in that statement is i I wasn't thinking this when I walked across the stage. I know my friends weren't thinking it when they walked across the stage

because we've discussed it. I don't think that they effectively define harm during school. Because when you tell somebody that you no longer have the power to do the things you want to do or help yourself the way you need to help yourself, that's harm. A hundred percent. And I would say that like you, every doctor out there starts, you know, maybe two percent of them are doing it for the money, which isn't like it used to be, but most of them are doing it because they want to save lives. They want to help people and they're well-intentioned, but the problem is they're not educated on how powerful their words are, their words, their attitude, how they're relating to the patient. All of that can cause harm without them even knowing it. So, you know, a person's reaction to a treatment, success in healing is directly tied to the enthusiasm and the belief that the doctor has

that the treatment will work. If your oncologist is telling you, well, you know, we're going to try this chemo and then we're going to try another one. And, you know, most people prolong life for two to five years and we're just going to keep trying that. If he's not enthusiastic that it's going to work, the patient's belief ties into that and that will, the result will be produced. So the doctor's words have a tremendous power to do harm without them even knowing. And then also, you know, a lot of our education is financed by pharmaceutical companies now. So the information that doctors are learning is that the pill is the answer. And then the system sets it up where they only have time. They want to help their patient get over the hump. So the immediate

thing is to suppress the symptoms with a medication, not get to the root cause. So they're giving medication, which then obviously has harmful side effects. So they're kind of their hands are tied at this point. But they they aren't educated on how they're doing harm, you know, and how much of how much of it do you believe is potentially some level of a God complex? Oh, a lot of it. I mean, you know, but again, that's just our society's like the way it's set up is we're we are their word is God and and we're giving them all our power. Right. So because we're not we don't have the awareness and the education, that's what we're paying them for. And that's why they work so hard to get there. So so it's a little bit of that. And then, you know,

and then again, it's the system is set up in a way where doctors don't have the time. They only have 10 minutes with the patient. They've got all this paperwork for these health insurance companies now, all this bureaucratic weight that's weighing them down. So they can't sit down with the patient for an hour, find out the stress that's going on in their life, find out about the diet, the toxins in their environment, past trauma, all of these things that are essential if you want to heal. So I have a theory. And my theory is that like you, I believe doctors are necessary. I think that it's I mean, you documented in the film, a woman got chemo in the film. I think that the limitations of what medicine can do are drastically misunderstood. And what I mean by that is there's the belief that if this pill doesn't work, we'll try this pill.

If this pill doesn't work, you're screwed. Where the reality is we can try this pill after you've done these things. If these things don't work, potentially the pill can jumpstart and then you can try these things again. There's so much left on the bone, but it doesn't make sense for the doctor to learn it because of the way the doctor is paid and because of the volume of people who need to see the doctor

because of the way that we as a society are told we need to be seeing the doctor. Correct. There's a whole, oh man, I'm forgetting right now. There's a movement to functional medicine. And a big part of that movement is to have health coaches between the doctor and the client. Are you familiar with that? No. I mean, yes. I'm aware that more and more doctors are transferring over to an integrative or functional practice. What's up, Shrug Nation? Are you enjoying this episode? I bet you are. I'm going to keep this brief. We'll get you right back to the show in a moment. In the meantime, if you're interested in anything that we're doing at Active Life, make sure that you head to ActiveLifeRx.com slash shrugged.

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So one of my former guests on the show, James Maskell, has a company that is trying to upstart functional medicine in a big way. The idea is the doctor should be paid well for solving big problems, but that most of the problems never really need to get to the doctor. There's a certain level of education that is far below the needs of the specificity of a doctor and far above the level of working as a teacher in a school that somebody would need to have. And his belief is that if we can get health coaches solving the problem, they have the time, they can make enough money, it would solve a lot of issues. What are your thoughts on that? Totally, totally agree. We need someone that's got the lifestyle medicine education, right? And then we also need specialized doctors for those more complicated kind of presentations.

But you should always, you know, having a health coach to quarterback and, address the sleep, address the movement, all of these things that are crucial to health. And then if those things aren't, you know, you monitor, you take measurements along the way. You measure the numbers and the markers in your blood. And then if something is still acute, that's when we go to the Western medicine treatment, right? So it's definitely that that would be like ideal. That's the ideal model, really. Yeah, when he took when he talked to me about it on the show, I was very excited about the concept of that working. And even if you're in an acute state, even if you get a later stage diagnosis of cancer, or something where you're debilitated with pain and you need help right now, it's a little bit more acute than kind of a low grade chronic issue.

You know, see, get get that Western treatment to get you over the hump. But simultaneously, you need that health coach to guide you into making all the necessary lifestyle changes to support your immune system so that it can heal itself. And the medication, the surgery, whatever that emergency, acute situation, just to get you out of pain immediately or whatever to stop the proverbial or literal bleeding you need to do. But then simultaneously, which is what the woman who went through chemo in the film, simultaneously, she was working with a spiritual psychologist, you know, using herbs and supplements, all of these things that radical remission patients have done to heal. So it's a collective. The way I look at what's happening in a doctor's office these days reminds me of taking an

airplane to go everywhere. And what I mean by that is sometimes you have to get on an airplane, but not to go to the grocery store and not to maybe drive two and a half, three hours to visit your friend. Maybe not even to drive five or six hours if it's a pleasant ride, but sometimes, right? right i mean sometimes you got to hop on a plane but we don't the the airplane industry is not suffering because people are not flying to the grocery store right exactly although people in la probably would fly to the grocery

store we don't walk anywhere we drive it's la story was way ahead of its time but it was so accurate they might i mean new york is not all that different. It's just not so warm or friendly. There's family people, but yeah. So I'm curious because one of the things that I run into as an issue for myself and for our clients that we've looked to solve through simplicity is, let me back up a second. Somebody asked me once, what's the one word that you would say your company solves for people? One word. You get one word to describe what your company does. What's the problem in the world that you fix? And I say confusion. And what I mean by that is we're not limited on information. We have so much information.

And so people don't know what to do with it. So you towed the line, I thought, extremely well between telling people what to do and showing people what their options are. How do people start to take decisions into their own hands? Because I watch a film like Heal, and I'm like, I want to go to the, I just want to experience that sound guy, the wizard. Yes. And I want to see what that feels

like. I want to go talk to the therapist who was tapping on the woman's face. I want to see all of these people just to hear what they have to say. Where does somebody start? Yeah. And it's, it's, it's, it's tough sometimes. I think, you know, one of the nine key healing factors, and again, the research behind the nine key factors was specifically to cancer. But I think in all of my research, I think those nine key healing factors can be applied to any chronic illness. One of them is following your intuition. I think that, you know, we're like tuning forks and the world is vibration and energy and frequency. And if you can quiet the mind and tune in to what you're feeling, your intuition will be able to speak to you a little louder and clearer, and it will guide you into what the right next step is. So that's part of it. It's part of

it, you know, putting things into practice, like meditation, connecting with nature and disconnecting from tech, so that you can hear what your heart is trying to tell you because we have these built-in mechanisms that guide us through life you know i believe spiritually that everything happens for us for our soul's evolution not to us you know um although many times you feel like something's happening to you and it's very stressful. Um, but so my point being follow your intuition, you know, your intuition is I want to go get a sound healing from the wizard in San Diego. Um, do that. That's right for you. Or you're, you get a hit that, Oh, I want to go to the grocery store to pick up these herbs. And all of a sudden you're standing in line at the grocery

store and you're, there's a integrative doctor or a spiritual psychologist or the exact practitioner you need to see. I mean, that's how the universe works, right? So you just have to follow your intuition and truly it sounds a little woo-woo, but you'll be guided to the right information. And sometimes it's a little trial and error and that's the tricky part with these alternative medicines. There's not sometimes there's not concrete results right away. So you have to keep going. But again, just tuning in. Is this right for me?

Is this wrong? And your heart, your intuition will guide you. So when I was looking for help because I was struggling financially and business wise, I was like, I know I'm good at this. Why am I not growing? I hired a business coach and the business coach said, if you want to be better at business, you have to be a better person. So what do you mean? I like, I'm great. I'm married. My wife loves me. My friends love me. He's like, no, you're, you're in it for you. Like you think you're in it for other people, but you're in it for you.

You've got to become a better person. And that's the reason I'm – there's a reason I'm telling you this story. That sparked about four years of intense, intense, intense introspection and questioning why I did things and who I did things for and when I would do them and all that kind of stuff. And it led to me seeing a friend who I hadn't seen since before I hired the coach at a random gathering. And he says to me, and he's an interesting character, this friend. He's very, very into the what is it what mushroom therapy i don't know what the i forget what the name of the chemicals yes psychedelics and emotional therapy and all that stuff um but he's like your energy is different i can feel your vibration it's totally

different and so when you were talking about vibrations i was i was like yeah like when he said that to me it was it was mind-blowing i wow, he can, he's telling me he can feel my energy differently. That's cool. But so how does somebody taking the advice of following their intuition avoid following their impulse? Oh, that's the age old question. I wish I knew the answer. I got to go to the Himalayas, I think, to find that answer. But yeah, I mean, look, it's a life is a adventure of trial and error. You know, you're going to make mistakes, you're going to follow your impulse and realize that it wasn't actually your intuition. But if you continue to practice, that muscle gets stronger and it gets clearer and clearer along the way. I mean, even with a long meditation practice, you know, your ego and your mind can can trick you into thinking that something is good for you. But that's more kind of an ego impulse. Right. So it's just, again, practice. It's a work. We're a work in progress. And every time you kind of evolve, like after that four years of deep work and introspection

that you went on, you, you, you, you know, you raised your vibration. You came up to a different level. Your business is booming. Everything is going on. You're going to, there's more levels that you're going to reach. There's more levels that I'm going to reach, but you just have to practice where you're at and keep practicing. And that, you know, you'll, you'll get to where you're going to go.

That's, I like it. it sounds like a plan to me so you mentioned earlier that you would work with a bunch of the people in the film yes right um one of the and i don't know if you've worked with them or not prior but one of the people in the film who impacted me a long time ago and got me to actually start thinking a little bit differently was deepak Chopra. And I remember reading one of his books. And in the book, I was on my honeymoon with my wife in Hawaii. And I'm reading this book. And I was going through one of those like, everything is supposed to be great. You just got married. You're in Maui.

Quit complaining mode. But business wasn't good. I didn't feel like I was in control of my life outside of the trip. So I was like trying to enjoy the moment. And then when we got home, I knew it would be a storm again. So I was in that state. And I'm reading Deepak's book. I forget which one it was.

And he talked about finding the gift in every problem. Have you ever heard him talk about that? Yes, I've heard many people talk about it, especially him, like the blessing in every lesson or, you know, the blessing in every kind of problem or issue. Well, I always heard the idea of like, every cloud has a silver lining, but it never made sense until I read it the way he described finding the gift in the problem, like what's the gift of it. So when you were, I mean, you've worked with all of these people or some of these people what did they what was the spark can you remember a spark that just kind of

made a one degree change for you that knocked a bunch of other dominoes down over time oh goodness let me just think here for a second. Take your time. There's so many little sparks, you know. You know, Marianne Williamson, I read her book when I was 19 or 20. I was kind of, I guess, in a state of depression. But again, I had such a happy childhood and just always a positive person that, you know, maybe I was in denial or maybe it wasn't full-blown depression, but I wasn't as happy as I had been prior in my life. And I was in the middle of transferring between Berkeley and UCLA, and I had some time off.

And so I traveled with my brother to Australia. This guy I met there gave me her book, Return to Love. And I was reading it on the plane ride home, and I was just like, holy shit, this is, sorry if we curse. We can curse. Okay. This, again, it was just that resonance. Like this is truth for me. This is, you know, I was raised Catholic and I loved Jesus and the stories and like the parables and stuff, but there was something missing, you know, for me. And when she broke it down to, in every moment you can come from fear and that kind of creates hell on earth, or you can come from love and that creates heaven on earth. I was just like, whoa, it really comes down to fear or love, you know? So that was one spark that like

totally shifted my entire life, you know? Um, because, you know, it really is that simple. Yeah. And I think that I think it's, it seems to me, like, you're the kind of person who can have something happen, observe it for a moment, and then allow it to change you. If you feel like it should. Yes. Personally, I was closed off to that for a long time until I really, the Deepak moment was a moment for me that was like, there might be another way. But then it was a really, really, really, really, really, really slow progression until I hired that coach. How do you, if you do, how do you help people kind of recognize the opportunity to observe and, and allow that observation to shift them? Yeah.

Um, I think it's, you know, continuing to tell people that like, I think the biggest healing, you know, the, the nugget that I, and I keep having to learn it over and over because this is, you know, it'sget that I, and I keep having to learn it over and over because this is, you know, it's almost like enlightenment if you get this. But if we can really understand that life is working for us and never against us, if we can really trust that God or the universe or life or whatever term you use is everything that's happening for our soul's evolution, for our highest good. If we can really get that belief so ingrained in us, then, you know, we can have our human moments where something happens to us and we feel sorry

for ourselves or we get super freaking angry and blame the other person for causing us so much stress or whatever. But then, you know, so I've gotten much quicker into stepping back now and going, okay, I have my reaction, you know, before, you know, years ago, maybe that reaction would overtake me for two weeks of just stress and festering, you know, but now I can be like, have it for maybe 20 minutes. And then I can just get breathing and go, okay, what's the blessing in this? What's the blessing in this? What's the gift in this? What is the lesson? What is this person who is stuck with me in my life because

she's part of the family and she drives me fricking insane and she's toxic and whatever, and I can't get away from her. What is she trying to teach me? You know? So it's just, it's just reframing people the way they look at things. Things aren't happening to you. They're happening for you and really getting them to understand and trust that. Can we dive into the exact example that you just gave? Maybe not personally, but because I think it's one that everybody can relate to. It's one that I can certainly relate to. There's somebody in your family or your extended family who is toxic.

And you're like, all right, I don't like this person i don't want to be around this person i don't want this person around my kids i don't want to talk to this person like just no but then a big family events like not you and your sister and you know your husband and his immediate family i'm talking about extended that person is there and you're supposed to be nice and kind. Is it possible that what that person is teaching you is that you don't have to like everybody in your life? You don't have to give everybody in your life the same amount of presence and intention and attention that you give everybody else? Absolutely. You know, a lot of it has to do with boundaries, you know,

and I think always the lesson is compassion. So you can establish boundaries so that you can protect yourself and your energy, but then still treat them with compassion, you know, without enabling them to be a total asshole, like they are, you know. And also, like, in my situation, so, so it's to understand, like, this person is chaotic, toxic, constantly calling attention to themselves, draining everybody of their energy, like, you can, you can be frustrated and angry and then, and then come back to compact. I mean, the goal is to come back to compassion and understand like the people who are in the most pain cause the most pain usually. And so just remember that.

And then, you know, be grateful that you're not experiencing that much pain where you have to cause that much chaos. So in my situation, you know, I'm just like, okay, this woman is my biggest teacher. You know, if I had my wish, I would snap and she'd disappear from my life and never see her again. But she circumstance doesn't allow that. So it's, she's in my life to teach me compassion. And to also teach like, you know, I to not take things personally. I'm such a people pleaser. And this woman like outwardly hates me for no reason other than her own projection of her own shit and pain. And, and, you know, and I just have to go, okay, like rather than me having to defend myself, just know, like my heart is pure. actions are pure, and just not get taken down, not get sucked into a reaction and an energy exchange, which is what

she's looking for, because she's in so much pain. So you know, there's the lesson will will be customized to whatever situation you're in. But for me, it's to always come back to compassion, learn how to set boundaries, and then really not to take things personally, you know? Well, and I think that that's a level of maturity that probably, I mean, I imagine took some coaching, some teaching, some practicing, some studying to get to. And the next lesson that typically comes from that is you can't help everybody. Because I imagine that once you know that that person's in pain, the first thing you want to do is how can I help them? Well, the first thing is punch them in the face. The second thing is how can I help them?

And then you recognize I can't help everybody. And it's just the energy out is not going to be worth it. Correct. Or I don't have the skills or whatever the case might be. Yeah, and it's definitely not my job to help her. There's so many other people that I can help and that even if they're not open, you know, and it's very clear to me that like she is not my,

my work is on how I react to her. But I get it. In different situations, like let's say you have a drug addict in your family and you want to help them and they're continually causing chaos for everybody else, but also hurting themselves and you care about them. You know, that's, that's, I think more of what you're talking about. And, um, and that's tough, you know, it's tough to really let go of that need to save them. boundaries and really just like sending compassion because again vibrant like everything is vibration and everything is frequency and to just do your meditation practice visualize send them love surround them with love like they feel that vibration they you changing your energy will

affect them will change theirs you know eventually sure um if they're willing to let it change yeah right if they if they can it's one of those, you know, you're you're surrounded, you are who you're surrounded by. And it's the situation is they might not be able like so amped up and they're going to help their, let's say brother with, um, his cancer treatment. And, and, and they're, they're into everything that I talk about in the documentary, but the brother is like, Nope, I'm going to chemo. I'm going to radiation. And he's living in fear and stress and all these things that the loved one wants to help them kind of change. Um, you know, this is the hardest lesson is when you want to help someone and they're not wants to help them kind of change. You know, this is the hardest lesson is when you want to help someone and they're not open to help.

They don't see things the way you do. And we often talk about this in Q&As after the film because people really want to help and the person who needs the help is not open and willing. And so, again, it's just sometimes our lesson in that is to let go and let people live the life that they're supposed to live. Let it unfold for them how it's supposed to unfold for them. And it's not your journey. And you could just be there as loving and hold space and be compassionate and be there when

they're ready for help. But if you try to force it upon them, they will resist. So you just kind of have to sit back and love from a distance sometimes. And then they come back to you. I think you said a really important thing there and that's have the patience. This isn't going to happen on your schedule, right? It's going to happen on theirs. So when you have, at least from my experience, when I've had people in my life who I do love, who are going through some stuff, I've tried the aggressive, life who I do love who are going through some stuff I've tried the aggressive like I'm gonna shake the shit out of you until you're better and it doesn't work and then I've had the I'm if you ever want to try this a different way I'm available to you if you want

to vent about the way it's going I'm available to you just know that you have somebody here should you need somebody here. And that has been much more successful. It's much more difficult for me because I just want to put a lot of energy in really quick and be done with it. But that's not exactly how they want to do it. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, what happens for you next?

I know that we have the book and I want to get to the book in a minute. But in terms of, you just put out a film I mean, what happens for you next? I know that we have the book and I want to get to the book in a minute. But in terms of you just put out a film that I would consider to be one of the most important, if not the most important film I've seen. And I make I mean, I'm telling you, I talked to you before. I've asked people to watch it because I couldn't explain to them. You're too stressed to do what you want to be able to do with your life. So instead, I said, Hey, let's watch this movie together. Or you should watch this movie. And afterwards, they've come to their own realization and made massive changes in their life in multiple different cases. So you're having a major impact. And you should know that in case nobody is telling you that. Thank you.

But what do you do next? Great question. You know, we're releasing, we're doing an online summit with Hay House because they're constantly releasing content, which I think is important. People are hungry for information. You know, people are sicker than ever and depressed, more depressed and anxious than ever. And so just to continue to produce content and put it out there you know a documentary is a big undertaking i don't think i'm going to do another one right away um but we are talking about in developing a television series and more

episodic because there's so much to dive into like i said we had 20 hours of interviews and you know part it was a two-part goal with the film and that is to give people the information and awareness and then give people inspiring stories to hold on to that says that kind of reflects back to them, something that's going on in their life. And that if that person can do it, I can too, because you need the belief that it's possible. And then you need the information and awareness of how and why it's going to work.

So if we could do like a, you know, limited series on Netflix, we can dive into so much more, you know, eight hours rather than an hour and a half. So we're playing with that idea and developing that right now. And then, of course, the book. And, I just want to sit back and kind of enjoy my family and, and take a breath and, uh, and then see what happens next. You know, there's so much to be done. Uh, we'll see what, what happens. Good for you. So it sounds to me like outside of obviously being mom, this, this is your life's work. You're going to continue to dive deeper into this and see where the, where the, where the, where the tunnels take you, if you will. Yeah. You know, there's such a movement behind heel and, and, and last summer, you know,

I was writing the heel book and, and that passion that was driving the documentary, um, to be honest. And I don't know if it was just a little burnout or whatever, but it just wasn't burning as bright as it was before. There was such an energy behind the film. And so I was like, maybe this isn't my life's work. So many people were reaching out with, I'm dying in a hospital or I need help, please help me. And I just felt kind of overwhelmed that I couldn't help everybody. I just didn't have the time. So part of me was like, well, maybe, you know, I want to step back from this whole healing movement because it weighs on you, you know, it's so heavy.

And I'm so passionate about the environment and I want to, you know, maybe that's my next calling. I'm not sure, heal the earth, you know, like healing ourselves. But so we'll see, you know, like healing ourselves. But so we'll see. You know, I'm open. There's a whole movement. I definitely want to I feel honored, but also obligated to keep it going.

You know, it is such a good resource. And one of the highest compliments is that practitioners and people like you that are helping people use it as a tool, you know, for them to just kick off whatever their changes in their life they need to make. So I love that. And we'll see, see if I keep on the heel train. But yeah, I'm sure I will. I just don't know if that's my total life's work. That's what I'm saying. I don't think it will be. I think I'm sure you'll do other things. I just meant that I don't see you, at least from the way you spoke on this show, moving outside of helping people feel better about themselves. Yes, very true. Thank you. You're welcome. And so the book, by the time that this airs, will have been released and people can

find the book at Healdocumentary.com. Is that right? That's correct. It's available anywhere books are sold, but our website, HealDocumentary.com has all the links. Yeah, that's where they should buy it. The other thing is, what's different about the book than what was in the movie? I mean, I saw the movie and I haven't had a chance to read the book yet simply because I like to read books that are in paper, not on my computer screen. I spend enough time looking at that right now. What's different? I was able to put, it's almost twice the content of the film. So, you know, I took more of the interviews, like I said, 20 hours of interviews, I was able to put more of the experts wisdom in the book, and then kind of expand on that and add some more meat and potatoes. Well, maybe not if you're a vegetarian,

but I'm not a vegetarian and I'm not paleo so I can eat both. Okay, good. So there's just a lot more in the book that I was able to put in the book on the page than I was on the screen. Perfect. And if you'd like to read, you can read it instead of watching it. Correct. And it's one of those books where you can just open a chapter or open to a page and just get a little snippet of some inspiration for that day or whatever. Which is awesome because one of the mistakes I see people make that I used to make a lot myself is read a lot of books to say you've read a lot of books without applying anything from any of them. And most books that get opened never get finished. So it's always valuable to me to have a resource in a book like what you're

describing that doesn't need to be read cover to cover to extract value from it. Totally. So that's cool. That's it. That's it. That's an important thing that people should know. Kelly, is there anything that I didn't ask you about that you feel like the world needs to hear? No, I think we covered amazing stuff. Okay, perfect. Then where can people find you? So on social media, you can follow at heel documentary on instagram twitter and facebook and that we you know we put out a lot of inspiring content um and then personally at kelly goris um on on instagram which i'm probably the most active on instagram and then facebook and twitter

i'm at at kelly n goris so that's a little confusing, but just follow me on Instagram. Plenty of baby pictures on Instagram. Yeah. That's good. Yeah, look, that's what happens. The baby comes and that's what Paige becomes. She's the best. All right, Kelly, thank you for coming on.

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