Barbell Shrugged - How To Program for Success w/ Dustin Meyers— Real Chalk #79

Episode Date: June 11, 2019

A graduate of The Ohio State University, Mr. Myers has since become the Strength and Conditioning Coach at the Ohio Regional Training Center at Ohio State. Business partner with Cory Gregory (who I had on 2 weeks ago), the two own and operate The Old School Gym in Pataskala, Ohio. Coach Myers is known for working out with his students and incorporating more strength training than traditional wrestling coaches.   In addition to his many achievements as a coach, athlete, and business man — Mr. Myers also happens to be a family man and someone that many of us can relate to. He’s a solid role model for many and his approach to coaching and lifestyle is nothing short of motivating. I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I did! Be sure to check out Dustin’s Instagram at @coachmyers_gutcheck ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Show notes: http://www.shruggedcollective.com/rc-meyers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @Hylete- Hylete.com - RC15 for 15%   ► Subscribe to Shrugged Collective's Channel Here http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedSubscribe 📲 🎧 Listen to the audio version on the Apple Podcast App or Stitcher for Android Here- http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedApple http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedStitcher Shrugged Collective is a network of fitness, health and performance shows that help people achieve their physical and mental health goals.  Usually in the gym, but outside as well. In 2012 they posted their first Barbell Shrugged podcast and have been putting out weekly free videos and podcasts ever since. Along the way we've created successful online coaching programs including The Shrugged Strength Challenge, The Muscle Gain Challenge, FLIGHT, Barbell Shredded, and Barbell Bikini. We're also dedicated to helping affiliate gym owners grow their businesses and better serve their members by providing owners tools and resources like the Barbell Business Podcast. Find Shrugged Collective and their flagship show Barbell Shrugged here: SUBSCRIBE ON ITUNES ► http://bit.ly/ShruggedCollectiveiTunes WEBSITE ► https://www.ShruggedCollective.com INSTAGRAM ► https://instagram.com/shruggedcollective FACEBOOK ► https://facebook.com/ barbellshruggedpodcast TWITTER ► http://twitter.com/barbellshrugged

Ladies and gentlemen, we are back. Episode number 79 with Mr. Dustin Myers. This guy is a partner with Corey Gregory over at the Old School Gym. They're out in Columbus, Ohio. A lot of you guys reached out to me and said you guys wanted to have these people on the show. So, it's time to have Dustin on. What I really, really liked about Dustin, because I didn't know him before I went out there, was he trains with all of his athletes. I think that's so freaking sweet. So not only is he the guy telling you what to do, but he's doing it with you and letting you know that it's doable, which is great. Not only is it

doable, but he would never program something that he wouldn't do himself, which I think makes a great coach and it gives you a lot of trust in that coach. So I think that coaching style is awesome. You don't see it very often, if ever, to be honest. He actually offered me a chance to go train with them. I really wish I could have taken him up on that. I had to go, sadly. Next time I go out there, definitely check it out. He just got a $5 million loan, not loan, but $5 million, I guess you would call it like spending allowance to make this really dope facility called the RTC over at Ohio State. And basically he has all these amazing wrestlers that he trains and tries to get them ready for the Olympics.

So he's had some amazing wrestlers under his belt. I can't remember all the names offhand, but he is the man. And when it comes to wrestling programming and how to coach wrestling and all that, he is killing the game with several e-books and different things that he has going on. You guys can find him on Instagram. It's CoachMyers underscore gutcheck. And I'll have that in the show notes as well. But, yeah, we're going to go through some of the things that he believes in his training for his athletes.

He does things a little bit different than the typical wrestling coach. And, obviously, he trains with them. He, obviously, is the co-owner of Old School Gym out there with Corey and also the Max Effort brand that they sell and all that stuff. So it's a really great duo right now. I wanted to put a week in between him and Corey to give you guys a little bit of a break to just have the same thing on. But I'm really excited about this episode. We hit a lot of great stuff, and Dustin's just such a cool dude, and I'm really stoked for you guys to listen to it. He's a family man.

He's just an all-around dude, and you guys can all aspire and have some role model feels on this episode, so I'm really, really happy for you guys to listen to it. Before we get into it, I don't have any sponsors really today, so I'm just going to go over some people that I think are really dope and just give you guys some discount codes that I happen to have. So Whoop, W-H-O-O-P. You guys seen Whoop? It's the band that I always wear on my hand. A lot of athletes are using it. Helps you out with your sleep and how hard you're going on your workouts. And it just gives you a lot of great feedback with now how serious everybody's getting with their training. I think sleep and effort and all that stuff is something that people aren't really looking into too often. And I think that the watch is great.

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So without any further ado, let's get into this episode and I hope you guys enjoy it. Share it. Show me some love on Instagram at Ryan Fish. R-Y-A-N-F-I-S-C-H. Here we go. All right, everybody. We're still out here at the Ohio Columbus. Actually, Ohio Columbus. Columbus, Ohio.

Rogue Warehouse. At the Invitational out here. And it's still been insane. And I'm still coming up with some amazing people to have on the show. So before this podcast, hopefully you people to have on the show. So before this podcast, hopefully you listened to the one with Corey and now we are with Dustin Myers, who's actually a partner with Corey in the gym, right? Correct. And the name of that gym was? The Old School Gym. The Old School Gym. Yeah, right here in central Ohio,

right outside of Pataskala. And you guys met a long time ago, right? You're lifting buddies. Correct. You know, Corey and I came up together, you know, lifting. We actually met in lifting class in high school back in, like, 94, 95. And, you know, what started is almost kind of like a weight room rivalry. You know, we were both kind of smaller, skinny guys that liked to lift, and, like, you know, he was kind of the stronger kid that came from his middle school. I was kind of the stronger kid that came from my middle school. So it was almost a little bit of a rivalry at first, but then we became training partners, and the rest is history.

25, 26 years later, we've been business partners ever since and own a gym. We have a supplement company, Max Hepper Muscle. Yep, I forgot about that. Yeah, a lot of other stuff too, man. It's just been really cool. Are you part of the online program stuff that he does too as well? So I do some online stuff, but it's completely separate cool are you part of the online program stuff that he does too as well so i i do some online stuff but it's completely separate from corey g fitness okay yeah so i uh i kind of developed a niche i do um ebooks for wrestling coaches and strength coaches

around the world teaching them how to train their athletes uh you know and i do some other stuff too specifically for wrestling specifically for wrestling i have some general training ones but mainly my my niche is specifically for wrestling wrest I have some general training ones, but mainly my niche is specifically for wrestling, wrestlers, wrestling coaches, wrestling parents. So let's talk about what makes you qualified to do so. So you are, I am the strength conditioning coach for the Ohio regional training center here at Ohio state. It's abbreviated as the Ohio RTC and people see that and they say, Oh, the ROTC. And they think of, you know, the army or something. It's like, no, it's not, it's not the army. It's not the ROTC. And they think of, you know, the Army or something. It's like, no, it's not the Army.

It's not the ROTC. It's the Regional Training Center. And to give you a little background on what that is, it is something that's really helped the sport of wrestling in the U.S. in the last 10 or so years. And, you know, it used to be whenever an athlete would graduate, they would be done with their NCAA career. And if they wanted to pursue, if they had an Olympic dream and they wanted to pursue going to the Olympics or making the world team and going to world championships, they actually

had to move to the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs and become a full-time athlete out there. And we all know that that's just not, you know, realistic for everyone to be able to do that. Sometimes by the time these guys get done with college, they might already have families or they have jobs or they have, you know, whatever, and they might already have a good training situation. And you're not living on very much when you're in the training. Exactly. Yeah. You know, it's, there's not a lot of money in the sport. So they started, you know, maybe 10 or 12 years ago, they started developing what was called regional training centers. And now these are tied to all the big wrestling universities, you know, here at Ohio state, uh, you know, Nebraska and

Iowa, Penn state. And, uh, it's essentially set up as a nonprofit and it's a training center that is kind of laid over top of the collegiate team. So that way the athletes still can receive a stipend each month and kind of live and train and work as essentially a professional athlete as they train for the Olympic Games. So I am the strength coach for those guys. So how many guys have you sent to the Olympics? So we've had two guys from our training center. We've had one, Kyle Snyder, who became the youngest Olympic champion in USA wrestling history this past Olympiad. And that was under your... Correct, yes. That is freaking sweet. Yeah, I mean, right on. You know, I'd like to say that I could take all the credit for him,

but you know... Just being there for that though. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, I don't like to take a lot of the credit. I mean, he's one of those guys, a very special athlete. Obviously, you know, even when he came into college, he's one of those guys who is so far advanced. He almost kind of coached himself. You know, he didn't really need that much help from me. But, you know, I think I at least had somewhat of an advisor role with him. And, you know, when you get to see someone that you've worked with over the years and achieve something so great as an Olympic as an Olympic gold, it's a pretty special thing. So we've had one other Olympian, actually, Travelle DeLagniv, who is now on staff with the wrestling team there at Ohio State.

He was a two-time Olympian, and then he retired from competition and then took a coaching position. So what a lot of people don't realize, though, is in between those three years, in between the Olympic Games, they have the World Championships every year. It's the same thing. It's the same exact thing. The process to make the team is the same. I was on the Olympic bobsled team the world championships every year. It's the same thing. It's the same exact thing. The process to make the team is the same. I was on the Olympic bobsled team for five years.

Awesome. So you're familiar with this. I did skeleton for four and then bobsled for one to try to make it to the Olympic Games. And then I got injured and stuff. But I know the whole process. Yep. And two weeks ago, I just spent a day at the Olympic Training Center in Chula Vista, California. So I'm real familiar with all this stuff.

Yeah. So let's say if you would have made the world team, let's say in 2015 for bobsled, and then let's say the next year you're injured and you don't make the Olympic Games. You say, oh, he didn't make the Olympics. Well, you still made the world team. It's still the same thing.

It's just a non-Olympic year. Yep. So we've actually sent more guys to the world games, more wrestlers to the world games than any other regional training center in the country. Oh, wow. Yeah, so I've worked really closely with a lot of guys that have made the world teams in those off Olympic years. I used to make that argument all the time.

Like people would say, you know, it's such a bummer that so-and-so didn't win the Olympic gold or whatever. Right. And I'm like, hey, like USA, like we won like every world championship before that, and then we just had a bad day. Like people don't understand that like it's just one day. Like it doesn't mean that you are theoretically the best of all time like it's just you were the best on that day absolutely man so i mean it can mean you're the best of all time for sure but at the same time like there's a lot of other really great efforts that went

the previous three years before that no doubt man you know one of the guys i've worked with and you get old too you know like there's a difference between like 20 and 24 absolutely yeah. Yeah. Time doesn't slow down for these guys, you know, and their window to compete at a high level in any sport, but especially a combat sport like wrestling, you know, that, that window is very short, you know, injuries pile up, life gets in the way. You know, a lot of these guys, by the time they're trying to make their first or maybe even their second Olympic team, they might already have a wife and two kids by that time. You know, now you have the demands of, you have to train like a full-time athlete. You've got to put bread on the table.

And then also, too, you've got to get up and change diapers in the middle of the night. You know, so that's, you know, it's one of those things where to be at the top. Takes your sleep down a little bit. Takes your recovery down. It's all a domino effect. No doubt, man. So wrestlers are definitely known to have, like, some of the most grueling workout schedules of anyone else that I'm aware of.

They also have long hours. There's a lot of skill involved. Is it still like that? That's what it was like when I was in high school. I remember everybody on the wrestling team, they were working out a ton. They're always dropping crazy amounts of weight and all that stuff. Is it still like that or has it evolved over the last 10 years? You know, so I think you're absolutely right.

I mean, it's one of those sports that requires an absolutely insane amount of volume to get yourself ready for a six-minute match, which is kind of crazy. And it's still like that, yeah. It's still like that, but I think the training has got a lot smarter in the last 10 or 20 years. I mean, even when I wrestled in high school back in the 90s, I mean, we didn't know anything. We would just, you know, you'd run for an hour and then you'd wrestle for an hour and you'd lift weights. We had no idea. Wearing a space suit.

Yeah, exactly. Wearing a space suit to sweat. Yeah, we really had no understanding of how, like, you know, the different energy systems or how to train, you know, one energy system versus another. It was all just work really hard, you know. So there still is kind of that mindset. And, I mean, one of the things I've really worked to change, especially at the high school level, is kind of do away with this mindset with parents of, like,

well, my kid has to get to the lowest weight possible. My whole MO has been we're going to train like maniacs, but we're going to try to put on as much muscle as possible. And I'm going to have these guys move up every year. You know, so my high school kids, every year they move up and they get better. And even at the college level, you know, two years ago, um, you know, Ohio state, we were, you know, national runners up and out of the 10 weight classes, we had five athletes that were at a higher weight than the year before. And that's almost absolutely unheard of, especially at that level. So, um, what's the reasoning for that?

Like, why do you think that that's the way to go versus lower? Well, because I don't care who you are, when you're dehydrated, you're not going to perform optimally. And at the end of the day, if you have to make a lower weight, especially in NCAA wrestling, you have a one-hour weigh-in. So you get dehydrated, you weigh in, and then an hour later you can be competing. There's no way that you can perform at an optimal level when that happens. So there's always going to be some element of weight loss when it comes to wrestling.

There's still always going to be. But I would rather a guy have to dehydrate four or five pounds, which is a normal amount for one workout. Than like 10. Exactly, than like 10 because you're going to lose strength and lose muscle at that point. There's no way around it. So that's kind of where I think I've maybe separated myself from a lot of the other wrestling coaches.

We still lift heavy year-round. I think when I came into really working with athletes at a high level, kind of the perception was, well, yeah, you might lift heavy in the summer, but then once the season starts, it's all about circuits and all about high reps, and there still is going to be an element of that to our training, but we deadlift heavy year round. We do some type of squat variation heavy year round. It might change from a back squat to, you know, a unilateral movement, like a split squat or a step up. Once we get into the grind of the season, you know, we still bench heavy, we still row heavy, but then we may get more of our, you know, more of our conditioning

from the body weight movements, from sled movements, things like that, as opposed to just saying, all right, we're just going to do circuit training. So do you have a lot of guys who come in, they don't have any lifting experience really? They're just wrestling mainly, and then they start lifting and they have huge strides in their performance? It's kind of funny because when I first started working with athletes at the D1 level, I thought all these guys, because to be know, wrestle at a place like Ohio State, you know, I mean, it's a perennial top five program. Yeah, you're thinking that you're going to see like an animal every time.

Yeah, and all these guys come in with resumes of, you know, they're two-time state champs or this or that, and you think all of them are going to be just with that professional athlete mindset, but that's not the case. And a lot of them come in as 18-year-old kids, and I look at them and like, they're still young boys. Their body's not the case. And a lot of them come in as 18 year old kids. And I look at them and like, there's, there's still young boys, their body's not mature yet. They haven't really had any clue of how to train properly. You know, they just were talented and, um, there's kind of a learning curve for a lot. So a lot of them come in and they're very raw, you know, especially from a weightlifting standpoint where I got, you know, kids in my gym that are, you know, 14, 15 years

old that are more advanced than these guys that are coming in at the D1 level. And so obviously they're special athletes or they wouldn't be in that position, so they tend to progress very fast when placed in the right environment with the right stimulus. Yeah, I've definitely noticed that a lot. I've had friends who were, because I was always really strong in the gym, and when I was in college I met some friends who like they were on the football team and I went to school in Hawaii I was a helicopter pilot before I did anything

awesome and uh my friend Eric who was on the University of Hawaii team he would like bring me into the weight room with him and his buddies and I would I mean these I didn't know at the time that these were like all Americans like badass like some of the baddest athletes on the freaking face of the planet and they're in there working out and like i'm back squatting like more than them and stuff like that and you always think that a lot of these guys are gonna be just complete freak shows but they're just really talented in what they do exactly and there's still a lot to learn whether you're at division one or division three or it doesn't even matter it's just a lot of these kids just don't they haven't had the tools and or they

haven't they're the high school coach situation is potentially really bad for sure like a lot of these kids just don't, they haven't had the tools, or the high school coach situation is potentially really bad. For sure. Like a lot of stuff that's happening at the high school level, it's like very hit or miss. And I think part of that could be the fault of the coaches, but it's also the fault of, you know, you almost can't fault the coaches in a way because they might be placed in a position where, okay, you're the head football coach or you're the head wrestling coach for this high school.

They don't have the means to hire a strength coach. You might know that they need to do something, but you haven't played the sport for 20 years. So what are you going to rely on? You're going to rely on the way you trained 20 years ago and do the best you can with these kids. I always say just because I work with Division I wrestlers and I wrestled growing up doesn't mean I can teach them wrestling.

I can teach them strength. I can teach them how to have the proper mindset to get in the right condition, but I can't teach them wrestling. The wrestling that I learned back in the 90s is not going to help them at all. So it's kind of the same thing with a lot of these high school coaches. You know, I think at best, the stuff they're doing is usually not ideal or ineffective, and at worst, it can be dangerous. So when you're talking about back in the 90s, are you talking about wrestling technique or just like the whole style of everything completely?

I think everything completely. I mean, when I say wrestling technique, I guess I've got to preface it with, you know, I was never an elite wrestler anyway, you know, so I was just a very average athlete all the way around. But, I mean, I think, you know think the sport of wrestling, just like anything, has really evolved over the years. The scrambling is a much higher level now. The guys are coming in with much higher technique, like a base of technique when they get to the college level.

But at the end of the day, if you watch the Olympic Games, in the top-level freestylers in the world, probably still the number one takedown that is winning matches is from a percentage standpoint, it's probably still a single leg takedown, you know? So the basics are, are, are still going to be what wins matches. Okay. Interesting. Right.

So, um, about your coaching style a little bit, you actually work out with the athletes, which is what I've been told. Correct. So what does that look like? So, and how hard are you going? Are you trying to kick their ass? Well, yeah, I always want to win, you know, that's kind of in, you know, I grew up, you know, I wrestled. And then when I, you know, Corey and I first opened the gym, we got into bodybuilding and competed in that for a while.

I competed in powerlifting. Uh, after I got out of that, I competed as an amateur boxer for a few years, did some jujitsu. And, youitsu. So I always had this competitive spirit about me. And then I started getting a little bit older, started having kids, and I started to not feel that same feeling where I wanted to compete in front of people. Now the competing I do is in the gym with the athletes. And at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter if I win. There's no trophy at the end of the day. There's no glory.

But if I can, me now as a 40 year old dad can go hard enough on these hill sprints that my d1 athletes either can't beat me or they gotta you know break their neck to try to beat me and bring out the best in them then i'm doing my job you know it's a high respect level for sure and especially at the younger age groups absolutely and i i think i knew that going in when i started you know because i didn't come in to a coaching position with like some great pedigree. You know, a lot of times you see these guys are like, OK, this guy was a four time All-American. Now he's a coach at the collegiate level or whatever. I just came in as a workout guy. And I thought, all right, you know, even though I had some experience, trained some high level athletes,

I'm like the way I'm going to earn their respect is by showing that that I'm in there in the trenches with them. And the athletes really kind of gravitated towards that. They respected it more. You know, because wrestlers are a different breed than most athletes. You know, you've probably been around some wrestlers. They think differently. And, you know, you can't just, you know, when I've worked with football players and stuff, you can kind of more take the drill sergeant approach.

You know, you can yell and get guys hyped up and have them barking and stuff like that. Wrestlers don't want that. You know, because you start yelling at them, up and have them barking and stuff like that. Wrestlers don't want that. You know, because you start yelling at them, they look at you and think, man, I'll whoop your ass. You know, like, don't yell at me. We can go on the mat right now. You know, so I thought, you know, if I can't be a drill instructor, I can't really lead by just barking. I've got to lead by example. And that's why I started training with the athletes.

And I really felt like, number one, it gave me a reason to stay in top shape. And it kind of helped fill that void of having any type of competition in my life. But it also helped bring out the best in some of my guys, you know. That's fucking awesome. I love to hear that. I mean, I would love to see what that looks like. Actually, like a whole session would be amazing. Well, you know, I think obviously there's a big event in town today we don't have time for.

But I think next time you come to Columbus, you know, you're going to have to make some time for us to go work out. Maybe we'll take you over to Ohio Stadium. We'll run the horseshoe or something. I really want to see the Ohio State weight room. I heard it's amazing. I just got back from University of Oregon, and I got to go inside through all the football stuff, and it was just like the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life. Well, we're actually moving into a new wrestling facility this week.

It's a new $20 facility that got built. It's one of those things when... $20? I'm sorry, $20 million. You can tell I'm still a little losing for my workout this morning. I'm not thinking right. So they just built this huge facility. And it's one of those things where we've had

such great success in the last, you know, six or seven years. I mean, we won the first NCAA team title in Ohio State history with the wrestling program with me as the strength coach. I've got to kind of throw that in. We've won three Big Ten titles. Yeah, we finished, you know, second

in the NCAA three times. I mean, so we've had a lot of success. And now when you start having a lot of success, people pay more attention. There's a lot more money that comes in through donors and things like that. So we've built this new state-of-the-art facility. So $20 million was just for you guys. Well, it's correct. And it's for the wrestling practice facility and then also the competition facility.

It's all in kind of one arena. That's a lot of confidence, though, and a lot of respect. No doubt, man. Went into a $20 million check. So it's one of those things, though, where it's state-of-the-art. It's probably, I'm going to say, probably one of the top wrestling facilities in the world, not just in the country.

But there's a part of me that already misses our old training facility. Oh, yeah, that's always going to happen. Yeah, I mean, the old facility, it was grimy. It was dirty. There's no windows. It was a big cinder block building. And you had, you know, there's three big wrestling mats. And then along the side, we had all of our power racks.

We had, you know, our airdynes, our treadmills, dumbbells. And it was very raw and rugged. And when you walked in, it just smelled like sweat. It was dirty. And that, I mean, what is more grimy than the sport of wrestling you know nothing really right exactly in high school everybody had ringworm and all this stuff and like that's like something that you always just assumed would happen eventually i'm actually surprised that you weren't a wrestler you look like a wrestler it's so funny because uh the wrestling coach used to see me every single day in the in and be like, son, you need to wrestle.

Right. He should have started on you at an earlier age. I mean, he was getting after me. Like, my freshman year of high school, I never forget it. Like, every single time. The only reason I didn't wrestle was because the guys who were on the wrestling team at the time, they were like everybody that I didn't like. You know what I mean?

It was like we were going to fight each other in the hallway. Like, we hated each other. And I was like, well, the last thing I want to do is join the team and be with all these guys who fucking hate me. Isn't it funny the things that kind of dictate your decision-making at a young age? Now you look back and you probably think, well, I could have learned a lot from the sport. I probably could have kicked all their asses. Exactly.

But at the time you were thinking, oh, I don't like those guys, so I don't want to join that team. Yeah, it probably would have been a great time for me to be like, you know what? Fuck you. Yeah, you definitely have the prototypical wrestler build yeah that's what pretty much everyone says to me all the time people even ask me like in airports you wrestler right and i'm like no i actually pro crossfitter for like 10 years but yeah close i mean maybe close if you develop some cauliflower ear you could probably fake it yeah it's just you could just say yeah

you know rio olympian you know you just throw that out do you guys ever have anybody who just randomly comes in at like 30 years old and goes to the Olympics? I mean, I'm almost 33. It would never happen for me, but I'm just wondering. Yeah, no, that's probably never going to happen in this sport. Okay. It happens like in Olympic weightlifting all the time. Right.

There'll be like some guy comes in at like 28, 30 years old. All of a sudden, he's just a complete freak and just kills it for four years, and then he's done. Probably the closest thing I can tell you to that is our coach, Travell DeLagniff, who I mentioned. So he was from Texas, and I think he said he originally played basketball and then someone convinced him to come out for the wrestling team in, like, ninth grade. And he said he originally wanted, you know, they talked him into it because he

was like, I want to lose weight. I'm like a tall, fat kid. So he went out for the wrestling team in ninth grade or maybe even tenth grade. Never won a state title or anything like that. Ended up – had some success, though. Got recruited to a Division II school in Nebraska, Nebraska Kearney, which is like a D2 power. Ended up winning a national title at college

and then went right into the international circuit, made two Olympic teams, and actually over the span of his eight or nine year international career, never finished lower than the medal round in any international tournament. So that's probably the closest example I can give you. This guy didn't start wrestling when he was four. He started when he was 15 years old or whatever. And was not even a highly recruited guy coming out of high school. But he's just one of those guys that, you know, he's a very special athlete.

He was probably 6'2", 230. When he was competing, he was closer to 260. And he could do, you know, he's a very special athlete. You know, he's probably 6'2", 230. When he was competing, he was closer to 260, and he could do, you know, standing backflips. You know, he's one of those guys, if he had got into football, he probably would have been a defensive tackle in the NFL. Just a very gifted athlete and, you know, very hard worker, great mindset, very intelligent sports mindset. So right now there's a lot of, like, gym owners out there, coaches out there. There's a lot of people that probably, you know, are into wrestling

or they want to coach wrestling or maybe they're a school teacher right now and they're thinking about taking on a wrestling gig or something like that. I'm sure it's out there right now. What are, like, your core principles right now as a coach that you like to – that are, like, absolute definitive things right now? Because you're like, you know, when I do this, I get this result. Like what are like the top things that you think are doing the best for your athletes right now?

Okay, so. Like I know a lot of coaches maybe don't lift as much or maybe some of them lift more. Maybe some of them don't ever snatch because they're worried about shoulder mobility or something like that. Yeah, so I would say probably kind of the core tenets of my philosophy, number one, the athletes have to lift heavy year round. Now, obviously, the volume changes a good bit.

Once you get into season, the volume lowers tremendously. And, you know, you have to be careful with exercise selection and stuff like that. But you have to lift heavy year-round or else you're going to lose strength, especially within kind of the confines of the wrestling season where everyone is going to be dehydrating at some level. So that's number one. Number two, you have to stay in shape year round too so i never let my guys get fat in the off season obviously we we turn down the volume on the conditioning somewhat but we have to maintain our aerobic base and we do some type of sprint work weekly whether that's actually

running sprints or we'll do we'll use the airdyne or the sled as our sprint work. Obviously, we don't do an overkill of it in June and July and August, but we do some form of sprint work year-round. We're very careful with it. Another thing, too, there's a lot of wrestling coaches. It's kind of both ends of the spectrum. Either they run their athletes way too much where they run every day or a lot of, a lot of these newer kind of quote unquote wrestling strength gurus, they don't believe in running at all. I'm in the middle. No running at all. Yeah, I know.

It's ridiculous, right? I always say the more you get into the science aspect of it, the dumber you get. You know, obviously there has to be scientific principles that underpin all of your training, but there's no way that you can tell me that if you take an athlete and you only train them on the bike that they're going to be in better shape than my guy who does a mix of modalities that utilizes the bike, the airdyne, the sled, and still runs maybe once or twice a week. Yeah. I don't agree that running is the end-all, be-all,

but I definitely think that a mixed modality is definitely a way to go. Absolutely. So I still do running, but I'm very careful with the way I program it. We still do sprint work. We still do some type of long aerobic-based stuff once a week. And then as far as one of the questions I get a lot, and you'll probably find this interesting, is people say, well, why don't you use Olympic lifting in your programming? They'll say, well, how do you get your guys fast?

Well, you're supposed to do cleans and snatches. The answer is i i quit doing cleans because i i suck at them you know and since i train with the athletes i'm like well i i suck at this move i'm not good at coaching it you know i and i think if you're going to utilize olympic lifting then you need to have someone who is an excellent technician coaching it and what i found especially at the d1 level you know when i came in and started working with Ohio State's team, the guy who had been working with them previously, he was real big into Olympic lifting. But I noticed that he would spend, he would have them for an hour, three times a week. Spend the whole hour coaching. He would spend the whole hour. Yeah. And like you would get these guys in wrestling, you know, so much of their life

they've spent in this bent over stance with their shoulders rounded forward. They don't have the shoulder mobility to be able to catch a clean properly. So here they are doing what I would call like a power reverse curl. That's actually a really solid piece of advice. Like now that I think about it, yeah, I mean, you're always like internally rotated instead of externally rotated. Your hands are always in front where they need to be like out and to the side. You're always engaging your lats when you lift. and like that's completely deactivated, I guess,

when you're wrestling because their arms are forward. It's kind of hard to activate those. Yeah, I mean, well, once they grab a hold of something, then they use their lats. But as far as their bodies are strong in this position. They're not strong here, you know, hands overhead, you know, things like that. So the chance of injury is high. The chance of injury is high the chance of injury is high the the idea that they're going to be able to perfect the movements and be proficient enough to be able to get the benefits

is very low and what you know at first i kind of tried to keep some of the olympic lifting in there to appease the other guy and because the guys were used to it but wrestlers are also meatheads you can't tell them like hey i only want you to do your snatch with 95 pounds. No, they're going to want to put 135 or 185 on there, and they're going to want to throw that weight up overhead because physically they can muscle the weight around. And I just realized it just was not worth the tradeoff. If your form's not perfect on Olympic lifting, it's completely worthless anyway. Exactly. Hallelujah.

So I use, you know, to get the guys faster, more explosive, I mean, we do different types of jumps, you know, broad jumps, box jumps. We do lots of sled work. We deadlift through bands. You know, we squat through bands, things like that. We talked about a lot of the band work with Corey as well. It's pretty amazing stuff that he's got you guys doing like the, or not you, but, I mean, you're probably implementing it as well,

but the two bands, three bands, four bands every week, you're doing that with those guys as well? No, I don't do that with them, but the stuff that he's done with his powerlifting team, it's incredible. And it's funny because it's so, I think, maybe different from what a lot of people have seen with powerlifting or with speed training. They think, oh, well, that's not going to work. But you look and he has almost every guy in his lifting group,

they're drug-free and they're squatting 405 plus. Front squat. Yeah, sorry, front squatting 405 plus, which you don't see very often. I mean, if you're going to squat, you know, front squat 405, you've got to be strong. Yeah. You've got to be explosive. And you have to be doing something that obviously works. Absolutely.

So, you know, I've picked up a lot of stuff from him. You know, we still learn a lot from each other, but I always have to take it and kind of adapt it for what my athletes need and what they're doing, you know. So are you using a lot of the conjugate method stuff too then? I would say the conjugate method still forms the base for my primary lifts. Okay. So you're having the guys do, like, the max effort lifts and then dynamic days as well.

So we, I don't do any more. I, I have in the past, I did like a dedicated dynamic day. Typically what I do is I'll do a max effort lift at the beginning. Then we'll do our accessory lifts after that. And depending on what time of year, it may be more of just a strength focus or maybe more of kind of like a, what I would call functional conditioning focus where we're you know mixing say some type of heavy lifting with some type of modality like heavy farmer's walks or you know med ball slams things like that and then after that we'll either do some type of core work or some type of work capacity stuff with sleds okay yeah so that's typically how my my training sessions look I'm a huge fan of the sleds or anything you can do outside. Absolutely.

Definitely. So what's, like, some of the big things that separate you from some of these other facilities? Like, you brought up that Iowa and Nebraska and some of these guys have some facilities as well. Is there, like, big separators between you guys? You have, like, you're obviously going to have probably a nicer facility here pretty soon. But then, like, the training style, are a lot of you guys kind of doing a lot of the same things? Yeah. I mean, I would say it's one of those things where in the sport, there's no real secrets, you know, everyone kind of knows what everyone does, but a lot of it, as far as,

you know, the wrestlers on the mat, it depends on who you have coaching you, you know? So like, you know, our assistant, our assistant coaches are very good. The technique stuff that they teach is going to be different than what they teach at Iowa and stuff like that. As far as, you know, strength work and, you know, our conditioning stuff, I would say a lot of the guys are doing stuff very similar. But I would think that I kind of gravitate more towards the heavy lifting. I doubt there's anyone at any of these other universities or that's working with high-level athletes that's using a lot of the conjugate stuff. I kind of do a mix of the conjugate stuff and the –

I don't know if you're familiar with, like, the triphasic method. No. Okay, so Cal Dietz, who is at the University of Minnesota, I believe. I think he's the head strength conditioning guy for Minnesota, not just for – I don't even know if he's over top of the wrestling team, but works with the football team and everyone there. He wrote a book called Triphasic Training a few years back. And essentially what it is, I mean, just to kind of give you the dumbed-down version of it is

he breaks everything down into these micro-cycles of eccentric training, isometric training, and concentric. So you'll do two weeks where you focus on the eccentrics, doing a lot of heavy negatives, overloading, stuff like that. Is there any concentric at all in the workout or all eccentric? No. So you still utilize the concentric, but like say, for example, if I'm programming it on a back squat, we may, you know, work up to a heavy weight to like, let's say your heaviest double, and then we'll go maybe 10 or 20 pounds over your heaviest double. And we'll do your next double will be eccentric

only so you'll you'll you know do a six second lowering will help the athlete get up they'll rack it will let their nervous system reset for about 10 to 15 seconds then they'll do their second eccentric uh rep like that so it's still a mix you're not doing eccentric only but you may only utilize that on maybe two or three of the movements that you do throughout the workout okay and you'll do that for two weeks and of the movements that you do throughout the workout. Okay. And you'll do that for two weeks. And obviously the goal is to overload. And then you'll spend two weeks doing isometrics where, you know,

you'll do pause reps at the bottom of your squat, the bottom of your bench, even, you know, the deadlift. And I'll typically only utilize it on the deadlift kind of on the lower sets as we're working up to a heavier weight, but we'll pause right below the knee for a three count and then just push your hips forward and come up. So it kind of helps guys with that sticking point and that lockout. And then after that, we'll go to two weeks of concentric focus where we may pull through bands, we may deadlift through with chain weight on there, maybe do a lot more jumps and things like that. A little bit more conjugate style stuff.

Correct. Cool. So I kind of do like a mix of the conjugate and the triphasic method. That's pretty cool. I've never heard like that. A little bit more conjugate style stuff. Correct. Cool. So I kind of do like a mix of the conjugate and the triphasic method. That's pretty cool. I've never heard of that. I've never had that on the show. So that's a good stuff for people to look up. It's definitely a cool book.

I mean, it's one of those things, you know, take it, read it, do the same thing I did where you find the pieces of it that you like and, you know, make that yours, kind of bring it into your training. And, you know, I always say chew up the meat and spit out the fat. Oh, nice. I like that. Yeah, I like that. That's good.

Yeah, my boxing coach told me that years ago, you know, because we would go to, you know, these other rec centers and, you know, to get some sparring in and stuff. We'd go to, you know, these ones out here in the inner city where you had kids that had been boxing since they was five years old. And the coaches there had a lot of knowledge and stuff. And they would always, you know, maybe they'd try to fix my stance or try to tell me to do something different.

He said, hey, man. He said, when we go down there, he said, you know, listen to the guys. Give them respect. He said, but you've got to chew up the meat and spit out the fat. If they tell you ten things, there might be one thing you're going to take away from that that you'll use. And the rest of it, listen to it, but just let it go. You know, so that's kind of what I try to do with my coaching and my training. I think there's value to just about everything.

I'm not one of those strength coaches that's got a laser focus on, well, it has to be conjugate method or it has to be crossfit or it has to be bodybuilding or whatever. I think there's value to everything. You just find what you like or what you find value in and take little pieces of it and then make it yours. I've talked about this on a couple different shows, but I think that's the best way to look at it

because whenever someone else is saying that something else doesn't work or their method is better than someone else's and you're not really like open to other ideologies and such it really i mean you're you're really missing out i mean even if you think you have the greatest recipe in the world and it's working incredible for you it doesn't mean that something else is like not going to work really well and i even talked to the rp strength guys um a a few episodes back. And, um, basically they were saying, you know, there's a ton of people out there who are doing really weird things with their diet and they have like this, this term, like it works for them. Right. But like,

what if they did this or what if they did that? And we're, and like, there's a lot of things that like work for them type of deal, but you never know what it's like for that person to have everything dialed in. No doubt. And I mean, that is like the epitome of, you know, chew it out and spit out the fat type deal. I like that. Chew up the meat, spit out. You can borrow that one. Yeah, yeah, chew up the meat, spit out the fat.

So at this point, you've narrowed everything down, and you said you've, like, made some books at this point now? Correct. So I have probably ten different e-books available. The majority of them are geared towards wrestling. I have a preseason plan, in-. I have a pre-season plan, in-season, and then off-season training. So it kind of covers the full year. And they're designed as textbooks for coaches to be able to use. They're utilized by, you know, clubs and, you know,

coaches, universities all over the world, literally. I mean, there's wrestlers and fighters in Italy, Romania, China, Russia, everywhere that are utilizing my books. It basically provides a blueprint for a coach that, like we talked about earlier, these coaches, they may know their sport, but they may not know how to properly train their athletes. It covers the strength portion, mobility, conditioning, all that stuff. So there's even numerous D1 colleges in the U.S. Wisconsin uses it, the University of Missouri, the University of North Carolina.

Oh, wow. They use my program. So it's kind of a cool thing. It's almost like I'm helping the enemy. But at the same time, you know, it's one thing to have the book. It's another thing to actually have me there implementing it with the athletes. So the majority of my e-books are geared towards wrestling. But then I have some other ones. I have, you know, kind of general training ones.

I have, like, a weight loss one called the 28-Day Shred that's done really well that guys like. But, you know, those have really taken off over the last year or so. Does anyone, like when they buy these things, do they market the fact that they're using your training program? I'll see. Like, you know, guys will put it on their Instagram or they'll put it on their store and kind of tag me or whatever, you know. So most of the universities, obviously, they're not going to put it out there. They're using mine. Yeah, I assume that.

But I'll see the stuff that comes through, and I'll see, like, the name. I'm like, oh, well, of course I know this guy. He's the associate head coach in Missouri or whatever. I mean, your name's out there pretty good because for all of you listening right now, I asked who you guys wanted to listen to when I came out here for the event, and your name came up, like, at least 10, 15 times on the thread. Well, it's like my 7-year-old likes to say, he always goes, Daddy's kind of famous in the workout world.

And I don't know, I wouldn't call it famous, but at least in the wrestling world, people are aware of who I am, and it's partially because of the content I put out, partially because of the stuff I teach people through my Instagram and things like that. But it's probably more so because my athletes have had success, and they're familiar with them. And has social media helped you quite a bit? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. So what kind of things are you doing through social media

that's been, I don't know, groundbreaking, maybe I should say? Well, I'll give a little plug for my Instagram here. It's at Coach Myers underscore gut check. And I started that maybe probably around the same time when I started working with the athletes on the RTC. And at the time, um, Reese Humphrey,

who's now the head coach for the regional training center in New Jersey. But at the time, that's where I'm from. Okay. Yeah. So he comes over. Awesome. Uh,

Frankie Edgar, home of home of Frankie Edgar. Yep. Incredible athlete. So friends are friends with him. Nice. So, uh,

at the time when I first started on the regional training center, Reese Humphrey was there. I worked with him, you know, for four or five years where he was there. He won three U.S. Open titles and made the world team three times. But anyway, so him and I, we became, you know, good friends, great workout partners, and we both started our Instagram around the same time. And we're like, you know what, let's come up with ways to, like, challenge each other.

And, like, I'll do my challenge and you do yours, you know. And we started doing – he's kind of one of those, like, just a physical freak of nature. You know, he could probably walk on his hand for a quarter mile and can do just anything you try to get him to do, he can just do it. So we started coming up with a lot of, like, core challenges and body weight challenges and things like that. And that was when we first started really pumping out on Instagram. And both of our Instagrams started taking off a little bit. So now I'm doing challenges with each other. Correct.

Cool. Yeah. And because people would see it and they'd tag their friends and they would try to do it and they would you know then tag it and they'd be like oh this Coach Myers guy is a freak. I'm like I'm just some old guy that likes to work out you know. Yeah. So that was kind of the first thing I started doing. I still do a little bit of that stuff but now my big thing is I try to

you know on a weekly basis put out you know content that I always think, all right, if you're a wrestling coach somewhere and you need help training your team, or if you're some 13-year-old wrestler in North Dakota and you don't have access to anything or you don't have any type of strength coach, what can I put out there that's going to help them get better? Whether it's motivation-wise or training-wise, those are the type of things I try to put out. And there's really a lot of crossover between wrestling and fighting and just guys who like to train really hard.

Yeah, I think that's great. I mean, I think Instagram, for anyone, whether you're a coach, whether you're a trainer, whether you're a business owner in the fitness industry at all, it has made the ability for you to make a living out of it like so much more real than ever before. Because normally a coach, you know what I mean? Like if you think about just living on just the salary you get paid for the wrestling gig that you have. Oh, yeah, you'd be starving. You'd be dead, right?

I mean, it's like it's crazy to think about it that way because even my gym, which I love more than anything back in Orange County, it would never be enough for me to survive, especially in Orange County. It's so expensive to live there. Well, I think as a gym owner, you know, you and I are both coming from the same place on this. There's only, you might put your heart and soul into your gym, the physical location and the members, but there's only so many hours in the day. There's only going to be so many members that sign up or so many people that take your classes

or buy your products or whatever. You're just going to be limited. But, you know, Instagram and just the internet in general makes it limitless. You can actually work with clients around the world, or they can follow your stuff, your e-books, your programs or whatever. It's really changed the way. For the longest time, Corey and I were both on that full-time personal trainer grind. So even up until...

I think a lot of everybody who owns a gym, I think, was there at some point. For sure. Or owns a business in general that's fitness related. Yeah. At one time, my day would look like, all right, I'd be in the gym by five o'clock, 5 a.m., train a few clients, head down to Ohio State, work with the athletes there. I'd have a little break in the middle of the day. I'd grab some lunch. Get your workout in somewhere. Exactly. Well, the nice thing was I started training with the athletes. Oh, there you go. So I would get,

knock my workout out, maybe go home and see my wife for a minute or try to take a nap. And then I'd be back to the gym by three o'clock, train my high school athletes, train my 9-to-5ers that would come in, and I'd be at the gym until 9, 9.30 at night. Start all over again the next day. Exactly. And so I really felt like I was missing a lot of my kids' life. I would get home, and it would be time for, at the time, they were 2 and 3 years old, and I'd get home just in time to help get them a bath and read them stories and go to bed.

And I just remember thinking, man, I don't want my kids growing up only seeing me if my wife brings them to the gym and just their only memory be of me reading them a story at night. And the e-books, the online stuff has really helped me be able to step away from the one-on-one training and things like that. It used to be a staple of my business. Yeah yeah as much as i hate having to put content out not i don't hate it but like no it's a job like anything else i mean it's more like a stressor it's like i should post something today right you know what i mean it's not like i don't feel like i don't like it type of thing it's just like i really should post something today because it'll help promote my brand it'll help promote me and help promote you promote what I'm about because there's not a lot of people doing exactly what I'm doing.

I promote different things that are unique to me. And I think that it should always be out there so people can tag and say, hey, this is really cool and whatever and help build your brand over and over and over again. And what you run into is people, especially in today's world, social media has made their attention span very short. So you can have people that follow you, love you, implement your stuff. But guess what? If you're MIA for a week, they've already moved on. So you have to keep these people engaged, keep giving them value or else it's limitless. It's not like if you take a week off from your gym, those people are used to going to your gym.

They're probably still going to be there when you get back. They're not going to take the time to move to a different gym down the street. But guess what? The street is very small on Instagram, and they'll easily move to the next guy. Yeah, I agree on that too. I mean, I wouldn't unfollow someone I haven't seen in a while, but if your feed is only so long, and I only like looking at my feed for a minute. It's not very long, right?

So it better be something cool and catch my eye right away. And then if it is, then yeah, then they got my attention and they're winning for that day for sure. So I definitely try to be the person who's trying to win all the time. No doubt. And on the podcast, it's the same. You got to make sure you get people on there that have, you know, fresh things to say and they're big in the industry or whatever.

So it's always a grind, for sure. I'll tell you what, man. I'm glad that you had me on today. Now, after getting to meet you in person and talk to you, I feel even more strongly about we need to get a workout in soon. Definitely, definitely. So I think even though, obviously, your niche is different than mine, I think our mentality is very similar,

and I think that we'd be able to learn a lot from each other. I might still be here tomorrow. I'm not sure yet. I haven't bought a flight home yet, so the ones that I looked at, they were in the afternoon. So if that's the case, maybe I can get a workout in tomorrow. I would love to have you out at the gym tomorrow. I got some clients early, but I think I'm freed up by maybe 8 o'clock or so. Okay.

Come out, and I think you really love old school gym. Yeah, I would really love to check it out. Corey makes it sound like it's really cool, too. And I love how he said he has the chalk bowls from his like grandfathers from the 1800s, which is pretty insane. Yeah, man. There's a lot of history in those walls and it's just a big old dirty Kwanzaa hut that's been there for

50 years or whatever. And there's never a time where I walk in and don't feel like training. I mean, it's just one of those places that just brings out the best in you. And you're part of the 4AM club? I am not part of the 4AM training. I mean, it's just one of those places that just brings out the best in you. And you're part of the 4AM club? I am not part of the 4AM club. Okay.

No, 4AM, you know, it's, let me preface this with, you know, I've known Corey for a long time. Even when we were in high school, even when we were in college, all that stuff, he's been one of those people that could always run on low sleep. You know, when he went to work in the coal mines. That was the first question I asked him. I was like, dude, are you okay on like five, six hours? He just can operate on it, you know? Yeah. I mean, I usually get up by 4.30 every day, and then I'm in the coal mines. That was the first question I asked him. I was like, dude, are you okay on like five, six hours? He just can operate on it, you know? Yeah.

I mean, I usually get up by 4.30 every day, and then I'm in the gym by 5.30. But if I get up at, you know, 3 or 3.30, which every once in a while I might have to if I have to be there at 4 a.m. for something. It's a different life. It's a different life. And if I do that two or three days in a row, I'll get sick. Yeah. I'll have like a runny nose and a sore throat. My body just, I need more sleep sleep and I value my sleep and recovery.

You know, so it's one of those things where I think it's awesome what they do, but it's also not the life for me. Yeah. I'm definitely not strong at 4 a.m. That's for sure. All right. Well, thank you so much for being on the show. And everyone can find you at the Instagram that you already said earlier,

but let's go ahead and say it one more time. Yeah. So it's at Coach Myers and that's M-Yers and that's myers at coach myers underscore gut check any of you wrestlers or wrestling coaches that are listening and if you want to check out my ebooks go to wrestlingstrengthtraining.com and i'll help you uh i can help you from all the way here in columbus ohio get your program right i feel like that is a very unique website to get i feel like that would be hard to get you have that that's good uh i think we lucked out on that one. Yeah, that's a good one.

All right, guys. Well, I think this is going to be my last podcast in Columbus. So I will see you guys somewhere over the globe for the next week. And I hope you guys enjoyed this. I'll see you again next week. All right, guys, that's it.

I hope you guys loved that episode. And I just wanted to thank you one more time for not only following my podcast, Real Chalk on the Shrug Collective, but for also following me and showing me love on the daily. I'm so, so stoked that I get to do that with so many podcasts out there in the world. There is so, so many. I am just really, really happy and stoked you guys come to mind all the time.

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