Barbell Shrugged - "I Sent It My Whole Life": How To Be The Best at Fitness And Business With Lauren Tickner— Real Chalk #63

Episode Date: February 19, 2019

We're flipping the script this week: I've just met Lauren (@laurentickner), and she's going to interview me on my own podcast. It gets deep, it gets weird, it gets a little spiritual—this chick is not afraid of asking probing questions. We dive into how I found my passion, what makes me relentless, and the things that scare me (spoiler alert: one of them is Everest). Lauren shares what being a mentor of influencers looks like, and we both take a look back on the ways our brands have evolved.   We've got lots of great advice on how to be successful at just about anything, but the one thing you won't find here is a shortcut to achieving your goals. If you want to see your dreams become reality, you've got to put in the work, and it won't always be pretty. But someone less qualified than you is already out there killing it—so what are you waiting for?!   Go start failing! -Ryan   1:15 No pain no gain: Ryan as a child 5:30 The comp FOMO, how life changes 8:00 Where the drive comes from: sometimes you just know 14:15 The butterfly effect and where the best rushes come from 18:00 What's scaring Ryan Fischer? Everest. 22:45 How the brand happened, and why it's essential to be the absolute best 33:00 The evolution of programming—your workouts should be exciting 41:00 Why regular gyms are the worst, and taking drugs won't change your life 44:00 The correlation between success in fitness and business 46:00 Failure will happen. So go get started. 48:00 What mentoring influencers looks like 49:15 You don't have to be the best—just 2% better than someone to coach them 51:00 You heard it, now go live it. 52:30 Where to find Lauren   ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Show notes: http://www.shruggedcollective.com/rc-tickner ------------------------------------------------------------------------------   ► Subscribe to Shrugged Collective's Channel Here http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedSubscribe 📲 🎧 Listen to the audio version on the Apple Podcast App or Stitcher for Android Here- http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedApple http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedStitcher Shrugged Collective is a network of fitness, health and performance shows that help people achieve their physical and mental health goals.  Usually in the gym, but outside as well. In 2012 they posted their first Barbell Shrugged podcast and have been putting out weekly free videos and podcasts ever since. Along the way we've created successful online coaching programs including The Shrugged Strength Challenge, The Muscle Gain Challenge, FLIGHT, Barbell Shredded, and Barbell Bikini. We're also dedicated to helping affiliate gym owners grow their businesses and better serve their members by providing owners tools and resources like the Barbell Business Podcast. Find Shrugged Collective and their flagship show Barbell Shrugged here: SUBSCRIBE ON ITUNES ► http://bit.ly/ShruggedCollectiveiTunes WEBSITE ► https://www.ShruggedCollective.com INSTAGRAM ► https://instagram.com/shruggedcollective FACEBOOK ► https://facebook.com/ barbellshruggedpodcast TWITTER ► http://twitter.com/barbellshrugged

Ladies and gentlemen, I am back. It's Tuesday. I'm so pumped to be on this freaking microphone. Every time I put this headset on, I just want to say all the things. I can't even say exactly what I want to say because there's just so much to say. You know what I'm saying? I'm retarded. All right, honestly, seriously, let's get into it. Me, Lauren Tickner, sit down. We talk about this whole business thing. We go about it in our own way. And there's so many just great one-liners of motivation in here. There's so many just really great ideas that you guys can use for your future business,

for your future plans. I mean, there's just a lot of stuff in there that literally will just work even beyond the business realm. I talk about things that I'm scared of, things that she's scared of, talk about how to achieve our goals. And we talk about people who are out there achieving the goals that we want, and they're way less qualified than we are. It happens all the time. You guys are sitting there on Instagram. You're like, yeah, fuck this person. Fuck that person. Why is this person have all the fame? Why does this person have this? Why does this person have that? And in reality, it's because you're not doing. You're too scared to fail. And my whole life, I mean, I always wanted to do, you know, but every once in a while,

there'd be some withdrawal. And I wasn't sure if I was good enough to do this. I wasn't sure if I was good enough to do that. And every time I like decided I was going to do something, it worked out incredibly well. Now, it doesn't happen that way for everybody. We all have to have our own path. We all have our own work ethic. And all of that comes to fruition in the way that it does, depending on how we do it and all of the other little circumstances. But the key term is, and the key take-home message is, to just get doing. And we talk about that in so many different ways in this podcast. And I absolutely love it. There's so much good stuff in this podcast. Before we get started, I'm just going to brush up on a couple things that I have going on.

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that they were doing. They took each other's earphones out, looked at each other and said, Ryan Fish? And they both said yes and nodded. If that is not the greatest story of all time, I have to come up with better stories. That's a real story though. So there is that. I have started throwing a carb cycling challenge, which is just exploding as well. It's basically my explanation of what I've been doing with my carbohydrates over the years. And I've written it down into a 30-page pamphlet so you guys can figure out exactly how to do it and exactly how to change over time. So eventually, you're going to get to the body that you want. You're going to have to change those numbers. And rather than me giving you

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time to get into this episode. On this episode, I'm actually sitting on the boat from Water on the Waves, and we are in the middle of the Bahamas somewhere. Hopefully not the triangle, so you guys get this information. And I hope you guys enjoy it. Let's go. Have a good week. Have a good listen. Your boy, Ryan Fish, over and out. Love you. What's up, Chalk Nation? I am in the middle of the ocean somewhere. Potentially the Bahamas, potentially the Bermuda Triangle, which means that we're lost. Wait, can I swear? And I'm sitting down with, introduce yourself.

Hello, my name is Lauren Tickness, so I'm from England and I am here, I've been taken into the dodgy triangle and I'm not too sure what's going to happen, but we have an interesting podcast today because you and I have never met before and we're just connecting based on the fact that we both do podcasts so who knows what we're gonna come out with today but i'm excited to share some wisdom with your people and for you to share some with mine so let's do this yeah guys so we're both gonna air this on both of our channels so she's actually gonna interview me this time which is crazy because you guys never get to hear me be interviewed on my own show. I'm going to dive in deep, you know, because I mean, I can just be relentless because I've never I mean, I know you.

I know your content, but I don't know too much. So all of the questions are going to be asked questions that people may not have asked you before. So shall we just dive straight into it? Yeah, let's go. Yeah, I mean, I'd love to know a little bit about your background, but not too much, because I feel like people already know, you know, you've done CrossFit, you have all these different businesses and ventures. But what were you like as a kid? Like, what were you actually doing as a child that made you have a vision that is as out like what sit-ups and push-ups were at the time um I used to do them between commercial breaks all the time as a kid like literally I remember seeing this person

when I was like 12 years old who just had this body that like I was like wow I want to look like that and then I started looking at magazines and trying to figure out like what people did to look like that because I didn't know yeah and I didn't even want to ask him because he was terrifying. So I remember talking to somebody who was like, oh, you could do this and this like and this will help you look good or whatever. And I remember it was like it was body weight Russian twists and a bunch of pushups. And they're like, that's what you should do for now. You shouldn't lift weights yet. And I'm like, all right.

So every single time I'd be home like watching all my favorite shows and all those things. And I remember just like in between the, in for it, in between the commercials, I would just be smashing out as many Russian twists as I could doing all these pushups. And by the time I was in like seventh grade, I was like super ripped.

No way. So like, I remember I was on the track team and I remember I'd be running around the track, the 400 meter track at school. And is it meters where you're from yeah we say meters I was impressed just then you know I wasn't expecting meters to come out of your mouth so so I'll be running the 400 and they'd be like all these little girls like snickering and stuff and I'm like oh this is cool I'm gonna keep doing this for sure because you got all the ladies coming to you and okay interesting so at that stage did you then get into sports yes so

from there i started to realize that like i had a really good ability to put myself through some pain because obviously like to get any sort of aesthetics did you see it as pain at that time or did you just yeah it would hurt to do like a bunch and then i'd be like oh this is cool you know okay so why did you keep doing it though just because you knew that it was going to give you the body that you wanted yeah and how did it feel in your mind did you feel did you keep doing it though? Just because you knew that it was going to give you the body that you wanted? Yeah. And how did it feel in your mind? Did you understand the fact that you were pushing your mind and that was going to help you become a stronger person mentally? Or were you just kind of like, oh, yeah, this is cool.

I've got abs. I've got the ladies coming at me. Well, right around seventh grade too, I was always like a freak runner. Like when I was a little kid, I just – I think when I was in like fifth or sixth grade i ran a mile in like like six and a half minutes right which at the time like a little tiny person yeah running that i don't even know if i could do that now like it was insane by high school i had ran one in like low four minutes yeah but at the time it was like crazy and i remember i started getting really really really into running.

And I started looking into like the most famous runners of all time. I wanted to know who like the best ever was. And there was this guy kept coming up. His name was Steve Prefontaine. And he was the best American distance runner of all time and still has been as far as I know. And he always claimed that he never had any athletic ability, that everything just came off of pure guts and pure will. And that he could endure more pain than anybody else on the planet. So then I used to always remember that.

And I'd be like, when I'd be running, I'd be like, oh, the pain is good. This is what you need to go through so that you can be better than everybody else. So by the time I was a freshman in high school, I'd be waking up, even in eighth grade, I think, as well, which is for us was middle school. Yeah. Nine in the UK. That's what it's called. Yeah. Yeah.

So we have like we have a one through six and then seven. Eight is another separate school. And then nine through 12 is a different school. OK. So even in eighth grade, I'd be waking up at four in the morning and running like five, six miles before school. Wow. Did anyone else do that? Or just you?

No. No one else? Because I talked to my coaches and I was like, what could I do to. Wow. Did anyone else do that? Or it was just you? No. No one else? Because I talked to my coaches and I was like, what could I do to be like the best runner in the world? Like I didn't ask my coach like how I could like break the school record. Like I was like, how can I be the best runner in the world? So you always were driven by, were you competitive? Was I what?

Competitive? Oh, competitive. Or you just wanted to be the best? Oh yeah, I always wanted to be the best at everything. Like no matter what I did, I always would look up. That would be like what I'd look up. Like how to be the best in the world at this. be the best at everything like no matter what i did i always would look up that would be like what i'd look up like how to be the best in the world at this is that still what you care about today yeah yeah and everything yeah business okay sport everything so now actually my knee is really messed up and it's like it it's at that

the point now where i can't compete in crossfit anymore unfortunately yeah i would do anything to be able to feel when you had to stop? It's been like the last two years I had to stop. Yeah. And it didn't hit me that hard. I mean, it's always been hard the last two years, but I went to Guadalupalooza this past week. Yeah.

And I was watching everybody compete, and they had a fun thing called the gauntlet. And a bunch of really good athletes were in it still, like Austin Maliolo was in it. Yeah. And a bunch of other games athletes who used to go to the games. And they were all in it too. And we were all out there competing. And all the photos started flooding in. And I was getting tagged from all these professional photographers.

And I'm out on the floor and it looks like I'm in the Wadapalooza. And I was just looking at it and I was like, man, I can't believe that I have photos of me out on the floor where it looks like I'm competing at Wadapalooza when like that used to be me, like, you know, one of the top guys at the competition. I'm not just there competing. I was like one of the best guys everywhere I went. Yeah. And the photo just, I wrote something on my Instagram about it and it is like a long thing

about just how much your life can change and how many things happen in such a small period of time. And not only that, just how much I appreciate the fact that I had a good run and I've had a good run at so many things in my life. Like some other things that you don't know about is I was on the 2010 Olympic team for bobsled. Oh, no way. Yeah. Wow. I did skeleton first.

How did that happen? so i just was good at sports forever and then i had moved to hawaii to go to school that's where i want i wanted to be a helicopter pilot okay which is so interesting how everything is just tying together because before we started filming this podcast we're wearing these big headphones right now and i was like oh i look like a helicopter pilot and then b Brian goes, yeah, I can actually drive a helicopter as well. I was like, is there anything that you don't do? It is an amazing story of life accomplishments. It's just so fascinating because you're obviously very good at everything that you do.

And I think that for someone to get to that level in just one thing you have to have this mindset but then when it comes to doing so many things and doing so many things well you obviously have like a next level mindset of a true champion and so how did you build your mindset to become so strong and so resilient because I in everything that you're saying resilience is what is the word that is just like yes this this this and this it is just total resilience and total dedication and commitment and so has this always been throughout your whole life or how did you build that level of commitment oh this is a rough question because i've only been talking about this like recently like it's never something i ever brought up, but like my, my upbringing was like very different.

I didn't know who my dad was. So I was 18. I met him when I was 24. Oh my gosh. I always felt like something was like kind of off in my life. And my brothers and sisters, like they just like, weren't into the same things as me.

And like my entire childhood growing up, I just felt so much different than everybody in my family. Yeah. It was such a strange feeling i just was like i don't understand why i'm like this how about the people around you in school like your friends did you feel different to them too or just yeah like yeah because i'm from a small town in toms river new jersey okay and new jersey's on the east coast of America. Yeah. And a lot of the kids that I went to school with got into drugs or they, I mean, a lot of them are dead actually.

It's like, it sounds like I'm exaggerating, but they're actually, it's like, there's a lot of drug problems in the town. And, um, not a lot of them became like anything like super special, but I just always knew it was weird. It makes me like want to like literally tear up. But like, I remember telling my mom, my mom would always be like, what do you want to do when you grow up? And I'm like, mom, I don't really know, but I know that whatever I do, like, it's going to be really cool. And I, and I'd always tell her, like, I was meant for something

like, I was meant for something way bigger than where I'm at right now. Like, don't worry about it. I'd always tell her, like, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. And as I got older, I was like in my 20s and I still didn't know what I wanted to do. And I had all these things going on. I don't know how much you know my story, but I had had a really good life going and I quit my job at the time and I lost everything and I was homeless for like a few months, sleeping on couches with people I didn't know. Oh my goodness.

And then I eventually got into this big competition and I had beaten like all the best CrossFitters in the world. And as like a, as a freaking homeless kid who like had nothing. Yeah. And then from there, my whole life skyrocketed and I wound up getting all these sponsors and having a big name in CrossFit. And then I started this gym and all these different things started to happen and it was really this whole slew of events throughout my life that had just been like

kind of trying to knock me down and knock me down and knock me down and I don't know if you know the story of 2013 when I threatened to like kill the judge I don't tell me it's a big deal so like in 2013 I was i should went to the crossfit games and i was at regionals i was doing really well and then all of a sudden one of the events i was just getting poorly judged from one of the judges and i just like lost my mind i was like i want to fucking kill you like what are you doing you're ruining my life yeah and uh it was a huge deal like cross i put a video of me on youtube and all over the crossfit game site like saying i was like a maniac and completely out of line and totally ruined my character in general.

In the sport, everybody was like, wow, this guy's insane. And he's probably on drugs or something because he's insane and blah, blah, blah. They tried to ruin me. And it was a big hiccup. I didn't know if I should own a gym at that point. I didn't know if I should stay in the sport because everyone was going to hate me. Even being on this boat right now for Wad on the Waves, like there's a couple athletes up there that were in the games and they're big names in the sport. And they had all met me this weekend and they're like, dude, like you're so cool. And like watching you coach classes, like you're insane.

Like you have like so much energy and you seem like such a fun person. And like I'm so sad that I didn't like give you a chance like late like a long time ago like they actually told me like we're sorry like whatever and i'm like yeah like i was always so bummed when you guys like would just give me the cold shoulder for no reason you guys didn't even know me it was just like i don't think you understand the amount of passion that i have inside of me for like for the sport and for everything that I do. In that moment, it was just an act of passion. I just was freaking out because it was like a three-minute workout and I felt my entire life flash before my eyes and just be gone.

Everything that I had trained for, all the months on the couch, the stealing food when I didn't have any money and thinking about what it felt like to hurt real bad running around that track when I was a little kid. Like all those things came into play and that shit really hurt my feelings and really, really fucked me up for a while. I was bummed and, and, uh, I just was like, you know what? I don't care. This is what I love to do. I'm going to open my gym and people are going to come because I'm going to literally fucking bleed passion through this place. And that's what I did. And I literally made one of the best gyms in the world.

And now thousands of people follow my online program. I have thousands of people that buy my books every single month, not just like throughout my lifetime, like thousands of people bought my books every month. It's amazing. Um, they have hundreds of thousands of people that listen to this podcast every month. I have thousands of messages every month. My Instagram people are just like, dude, I love listening to what you have to say. I love hearing the passion that comes out of your mouth. And, and I love the way that you explain things on just a different level than most people.

Yeah. Cause you go, you go in deep. And isn't it crazy how just one moment can shape so much of your life into the future? Totally. Just one moment of craziness or, like you said, a moment of passion. And you didn't mean it badly or anything, but it literally changed the trajectory of your future and so with that said do you think that the reason why you i suppose acted in that way was purely because you thought that it was unfair you deserve better or that it was unfair we watched the videos and everybody was like fuck he's kind of right yeah because i obviously i

don't know what happened so for me this is like me hearing something new but how old are you i'm 22 okay yeah so that's why you wouldn't know i'm 32 yeah right i yeah just turned 22 it was in the sport it was my first birthday where i felt like oh wow i'm not not so young anymore because i'm used to being like the youngest around everyone but it was cool i mean it's amazing to be able to connect with people like you who have obviously been doing this for a while who have been in in the industry for a long time doing a lot of cool things and i think that it allows me to obviously learn from your success your failures and moments where i want to ask you actually is there anything that you wish that you had perhaps done differently in your career so far are there any big things that you think that

may have been a mistake? It's a tough question, I know, because if one thing changes, everything else changes. It's that whole ripple effect. Yeah, that butterfly effect. It can really get into your head, huh? I mean, I guess when I was doing bobsled and skeleton, I loved snowboarding, and I still do now.

And everybody who listens to the show they know that i'm like really big into like adventure sports i go hang gliding and paragliding and i travel all over the world to hike and i'm snowboarding and mountain biking and downhill biking and road biking like i do everything which one's your favorite because i want to start putting getting out of my comfort zone and doing some more things like this because I am not an adrenaline junkie by any means. I'm all about it. Yeah, so I need some new sports to get me out there. Surfing and snowboarding are two very soulful sports. You feel it deep inside of you on a spiritual level.

You're like, this is so fun okay you know and it doesn't take like an overwhelming amount of skill you know like you can get down the mountain on a snowboard and you're cool like yeah in two days your first day you're just eating shit all day okay and then surfing is like maybe a day or two where you're eating shit too yeah but like when you get up it's very rewarding even if there's no waves you're just out in the water're just hanging out. It just has a really good feel to it. So I do like those two a lot. And you get a lot of quiet moments. Yeah. Peaceful. And you just get to see everything in front of you. And it's pure bliss. I know. Yeah. I've been skiing before, so I know what that feels like. But yeah, snowboarding, surfing. I think, did you say hang gliding is what you do?

Yeah, I mean, wow. That is something I would love to try. Oh, I can imagine the weightlessness, the feeling, and just the beautiful views. But my gosh, that would be me really getting out of my comfort zone. But it's something you have to do, you know? I went paragliding recently in Switzerland, and it was insane. It was? Yeah.

How do you – the first time you tried it, were you afraid? Yeah, I mean, you're scared of everything. But you seem pretty fearless when it comes to everything that you do i think everybody seems like they're fearless but they're all scared you think yeah hell yeah i get scared of everything i get scared to do a workout on my own okay so how do you 10 minute amrap i'll be like oh my god i'm so nervous i was like taking a couple extra sips of water there's like nobody in the gym by myself you know like nobody's judging me, I'm so nervous. I was like taking a couple extra sips of water. There's like nobody in the gym by myself. You know, like nobody's judging me. And I'm still, I get nervous for everything.

So how do you keep at it even though you're afraid? Because that feeling is what drives us all. Do you think it is for everyone though? I don't know. Probably not. Yeah. I think there's a lot of people that are like extremely unlike me. But they may not know that the feeling of what it could be like because they don't push themselves when they are afraid yeah but i can't imagine not being scared in life that

would be terrible but i mean someone could be scared but they may allow the fear to paralyze oh yeah for sure but then they don't know what it feels like to get to the other side of that fear because they don't take the action i could gladly without one hesitation be like i'd rather be dead doing something rad than be dead never had done doing anything rad at all wow that's like that's i'm dead serious about that like i'd rather this fucking boat sink right now and be like i went on this boat and i had a great time and i did all these crazy things yeah and i'm cool wow yeah because i mean the thought of death is not great but like i sent it my whole life yeah you get to You get to actually live and you get to experience life.

And I feel like that's something that so many people don't get to do. So when an opportunity comes your way, it's very evident that you just take it with both hands and ride with it. I always say yes. And put your whole passion into it. So, okay. Tell me a couple of things that you're going to be getting into like soon that you that are actually making you feel afraid right now like that you're about to take action on that you haven't done before that it's going to be something that shapes you as a man so i love hiking um like big mountains things that

take people a couple days and i try to do them in a day so i've done ones in norway i've done some in italy i've done some in america I've done some in America that are really big. On my list now, there's a few in Alaska. There's one in Washington that they're going to take me a few days. I'm going to be on the mountain in a tent and trying to get to the top. And there's a lot of elevation involved. Yeah. So I'd like to do a couple of these really massive hikes.

Everest? so like I don't know if I want to do Everest because the the um what is it the uh the risk factor there is a little high for me I feel like it's actually very high that people die there all the time and there's other so the reason I like to get to the tops of these huge

mountains is just like the unbelievable feeling that you have from the top looking down and the views that you get. And just there's no other way of getting that except earning that on your own two feet, which is an amazing feeling. Yeah. So there's one in Alaska particularly. It would take me about three weeks to get to the top. Really? Yeah.

Three weeks. My gosh. Wow. It's called Denali. It's arguably the biggest mountain in the world from bottom to top, even bigger than Everest as far as elevation gain. Everest just starts a little taller. Yeah. And Everest takes you like three months to do actually. People don't realize that it's a three month hike. I did not know that. Cause obviously you hear people talking about climbing to the

summit and they tell, I don't know how long that takes from the, I suppose they go from a base camp to the summit. And that's often the part that you hear about because that's the climatic moment, right? Oh my gosh, that's a long time. But at the base camp itself, you spend like, I want to say like 30 days, 30 to 40 days. Yeah, to get used to the altitude, don't you? Yeah, so you get there and then you go up and you come back down and you go up and you come back down. There's a bunch of different phases and you're just getting acclimated the whole time. And by the time I think you're done,

it's like 60 to 90 days. Wow. And being in the fitness industry and making money off of my abs and my body, I feel like I would be a little stick figure when that's over. Yes, you would lose a lot of that muscle. Even the Alaska one is a little scary for me,

but I feel like it's just something I have to do in my lifetime. Yeah. I mean, if it's something that you love to do, then not i mean if it's not right now then in the future there's always a time to do it but i think so often just for all the listeners out there they have things they want to do and they have things they want to see and achieve and challenges that they dream of accomplishing but they don't take it with both hands and try it they just don't try because maybe they're afraid of failing or maybe they're afraid of what people are going to think about them or maybe they're

just afraid of whatever but i think honestly fear is something that has been pretty apparent in this conversation but for the opposite because you obviously you don't let that fear stop you and so anyone listening to this right now i just encourage you one thing that you fear literally go on your notes on your phone if you're not driving write that thing down that you're afraid of and commit to accomplishing that and just knocking that fear out of the park and just going all in on it within the next 30 60 90 360 days 365 even and um that was that was pretty bad for five days short yeah i know well hey you have a year it means you get to do it faster yeah you know commit to it and if you i feel like when people write it down

it just makes them you know take even but take a screenshot of it and tag me at lauren tickner tag ryan at ryan fisher on your instagram story so that we can hold you accountable i'm insane with sticky notes yeah insane i have so many on my phone So many on my computer I have so many They're like everywhere They're always reminding me Like certain things Yes

And I have tons of trips That I want to do Right now on a sticky note I have snowboarding in Japan Oh that would be fun Yep That's on my list right now I would love to do that

Things to do This one mountain in Washington Is on my list It's called mount rainier it's like a three-day uh on the mountain type of trip it's like a mountaineering thing as well so there's a bunch of like climbing and different things involved nice and i want to say what is the other one an african safari is oh my gosh that's on mine as well yeah i would love to do that but here's the thing i feel like when you actually you don't just have it in your head you

actually say out loud it's you know you're gonna be on the path to making it happen you don't just have it in your head. You actually say it out loud. It's, you know, you're going to be on the path to making it happen. I don't know what you feel about the whole law of attraction and all that stuff. I mean, different people have different opinions on it. But I definitely believe that if you put something out there and just keep reminding yourself of it, you're more likely to make it happen. That's my opinion. Definitely. Okay, cool. So let's take a slight pivot right now because we've

spoken about fear we've spoken about a little bit about your background and stuff but i'd love to hear about your entrance into i suppose not just the fitness industry but more so how you actually started building your personal brand because obviously you have this extremely successful podcast which is amazing and super impressive you have a big following on instagram and it's not just about that though it's not like these vanity metrics it's about the actual impact that you're making on people's lives because i was having a scroll through your instagram a couple days ago and i was just looking at the comments that you get from people and people love you like you are literally changing their lives it is so amazing and i know

the feeling when people tell you about how your content is helping them and so you have a lot of that coming at you all the time crazy engagement it's incredible yeah i wish you saw one of my classes that i coached on this boat yeah it's tons of people oh my god i have so many people but i'm also the guy on the top deck who like i'm literally running around the track chasing everybody. Oh, you know, I saw you earlier when you were like doing that thing with the people on your that they were like piggybacking each other. Oh, you did see me. I saw you.

Yeah, you were like running the opposite way around everyone else and you were just so happy. And I was like, his energy is so inspiring because you can just tell that you love what you do. How long did you watch that for? Oh, I was just sat there on the top deck. Oh, you were on the top deck yeah oh so you saw me a lot i did yeah yeah you were like running around and it was just so so powerful because it shows that it's so cliche honestly this thing is so cliche but you know what if it's cliche there's something is cliche for a reason right like there's a reason why something has become a cliche and it's like when you do something you love you're never going to feel like you're working a day in your life.

And you can just tell that that's what you feel. That's the same as me. I love what I do so much. Like the fact that we are sitting here right now just having a casual chat as people who have never met before. And this is equivalent to our job, right? It's so amazing. And so how did you break into this whole personal brand that you have right now? Because I want to know.

Tell me. Actually, the whole thing you just brought up just now about watching me on the top deck and seeing how passionate I am about what I do, that's actually the first conversation that you have with me when you get a job at my gym. I tell everybody there, you know, guys, this is something that I always wanted, and I didn't even know that I wanted it. And I know a lot of you guys are coaching classes because it's not what you want to do for the rest of your life, but it's a stepping stone.

I mean, I'm not paying you enough money for this to be an all-in thing for the rest of your life. I already know that. I'm not going to live the pipe dream and think that you're just going to be here forever. I'm aware that you have aspirations of something else. Whether you know what it is or not is irrelevant. I never knew what mine was going to be when I started coaching. But when I coached, and I tell – I mean this is part of the conversation that we're having like as someone – like let's say you're sitting down.

You're about to have your first week at my gym as a coach. I tell them I don't care if you like the workout. I don't care if you don't like the people in the class. None of that matters. All that matters is that you are everyone's favorite coach every single day. And I want you to look at yourself in the mirror when you're done with the class. If you had like an 80% effort day, and I want you to remember what they're all thinking, like, nah, he was okay. Or she was okay. Like, do you want people to think that you're okay

at the end of the class? Do you want people to think that someone, some of the other coaches are better than you? Like when people ask, who's your favorite coach? Does it make you sad that it's not you? Like every single time that you coach, I don't care how you feel. Like I went out last night. I never,

ever drank. I felt, you can hear my voice right now. I'm so raspy. Like I went out, I woke up this morning with like no sleep and I'm coaching a class with a bunch of people that look up to me and I fucking murdered that class. And I don't care who's up there, Rich Froning, all these other big famous famous names no one comes close to me in coaching i destroyed those classes and everyone tells me this is by far my favorite class on the whole boat amazing so i didn't have chalk i didn't have the podcast i didn't have books i didn't have online programming i wasn't even as big of a name as i was but but I was just a coach. And I coached so gnarly that so many people wanted to come to every gym I was coaching at. I would go from one gym to the next just because I didn't

like the town. It wasn't that I didn't like the gym. I wanted to move. I wanted to live by the beach. So I went from downtown Los Angeles to Newport Beach, which is like one of the probably most expensive, nicest areas in the country. And it was just like kind of a dream of mine to live down there by the beach and live this lifestyle that I had been looking at on TV since I was a little kid. And literally everything that I have started from that. So like I was coaching a class one day and this guy was like, I want you to personal train me because he loved my classes. And then then from there that same guy gave me the money to open my first gym wow he looked like a regular person and had sold a company for like 50 million dollars he just looked you would never

know that's amazing though humble but that's one thing that you need to always know also is that every single person whenever you're doing something and you're doing something better than anybody else, somebody is watching that moment. You know what I mean? Like you don't let out these insanely good like experiences. Other people like you don't put out such great service and no one ever notices. You know what I mean? Like people will always notice if you go above and beyond all the time. And they'll also always notice if you're not passionate about something like nobody wants to be around somebody who's not really great at what they do. They don't

have a positive attitude. They like they slouch, you know, like they're not like sitting upright. They don't seem like they care about themselves. They don't eat good. Anything like that. So all of those things got me that guy who eventually invested in me. And then once that happened, I started this gym. And the gym needed to be something that no one else had done. So my gym was a million dollars. I came out and just made the dopest gym that you can imagine. I put high glossgloss concrete floors. I bought 50 grand in competition plates,

all custom rigs that you can't even buy. I called Rogan. I was like, hey, listen, I need something that no one even has. I need people to look at my gym and be like, holy fucking shit. I put like $200,000 bathrooms in there and showers. I have these fancy water machines that you can put into your water bottles it's all free it all just comes

to your membership and I'm the same price as the most expensive gym in town which is not even close to mine right so like mine's so nice that the most expensive

gym in town is like way way below and I'm the same price as them so anyway people flocked in my first day I had 100 members

of people in the gym which at the time was a benchmark that you would want to hit like two, three years into your business. Yeah. So I did that the first year, actually at the end of the first year, I had 300 members, which is absurd. So at that time, I remember thinking to myself, I was opening the gym and a lot of here's where, here's where another like work ethic thing comes into play was my first two months I was open, I didn't have any employees at all.

No way. No one running the desk. No one helping with classes. No one made a workout. No one like did the cash register, like the balances and this and that. You were in your business. Yep. And even the website, everything.

I coached 10 classes a day with some serious energy. And I coach Saturdays and Sundays. So my first class is at 5 a.m. My last one was at 7, 15 p.m. I would make workouts until like 10 or 11. I would clean the floors. I would do everything. And I had all the money in the world to hire people and not hire, but to pay people. But I didn't, I didn't,

I didn't meet a cleaner yet that I liked. I didn't meet a coach yet that I liked. I didn't meet a desk person that I liked yet. So like, I'm not going to hire them. And I know that I need them. I'm fully aware of that, but you're not coaching in my place unless I respect you as a person. Like, I mean, the type of people that I bring around me is it takes a while. Yeah. And a lot of people will try to coach at my gym or they'll try to be like a desk person at my gym. And it's not a huge deal. I'm not trying to freaking hire the next president of the United States. But for me, like you have to let out this very specific vibe. Like when you walk in my gym, like you just know that you're at chalk and there's people on this boat that they travel all over the world for work.

And I've had multiple people stop me and they're like, dude, your gym is the best gym I've ever been in ever. Like the feeling of being in that gym is insane. And at that time, I thought it was very interesting that people posted their workouts online. You could go to any gym's website and be like, oh, they're doing this today. Oh, they're doing this today. I like this gym. I'm going to go here. And I still understand how that might be appropriate to write those up. And it was really the CrossFit way forever was to put your workouts up. And I think I was the

first gym that literally was like, I'm not going to do that. You're just going to come and you're going to figure out what it is. If you're a member, you'll know what it is. We have an app and on Sunday night, you can see Monday through Friday, you'll see everything. But if you're not a member, you're not allowed to see what it is. I don't know why. I don't know why you should be able to, but people will call all the time. I want to know, you know, what your workout is, or I follow you guys on social media, like blah, blah, blah, blah. And then one day I was like, you know what, this is kind of annoying. I'm going to put them online and I'm going to charge for it. And I made it $20.

And, you know, in a month I had 500 members or something. No way. And then – That was just from the demand, like just because people were curious about what it was. Yeah, and then it went to like 1,000, 1 crazy two thousand people and then like it's basically it's easy now at this point because you know i have all this momentum and everybody tags people in the workouts and i spend so much time staring at a computer screen i cannot click send until the workout is undeniably a ryan fisher workout even here on the top deck like when people took

my classes they're like dude your workouts are so cool. Like I try, I have the general concept in mind and then I have to turn it into my own in some special way. And you almost, you couldn't even use my programming for your gym

and say that you make it. Like people will literally be like, those are Ryan Fisher's workouts. That's insane. Which is cool. And then as I've gotten older and my knees gotten worse, I don't compete anymore. Me specifically, like my, my training had kind of changed into like a low impact type of training. So I started like not doing as much only lifting because it was bothering

my knee. Cause every time you only lift, you jump and you push your feet through the floor. There's a lot of impact kind of happening. And then when you're doing a lot of reps, you're just multiple jumps, jumps, jumps. It's really not a lot different than doing box jumps, which I can't do either. So running's out. Box jumps are out for me. Like high rep snatching and stuff is out. I can do like some of the heavy stuff

and it's more of like a muscle, more than like a power movement. And I do focus a lot more now on like benches and like lunges and like traditional body weight or bodybuilding style movements. And I love the conditioning of CrossFit still. I like to feel like I'm dying. I love that feeling. So I always have, we've gone over this and, uh, I noticed that this term was just so big and like it's just taking over the industry of fitness and it's called HIIT training, high intensity interval training.

You've heard of it, yeah? Of course, yeah. How could you not? Yeah. So Marcus Philly had been making this thing. You know him? I've heard the name, but I can't say I know him personally.

He does this thing called functional bodybuilding. It's great. It's cool. He's blended together like bodybuilding movements and functional movements. And it's in his own way. And it's really, really cool. And I think it's great for a lot of people out there. And then basically what I did is I did kind of a mixture of what he did, a mixture of what CrossFit did, and a mixture of bodybuilding in general.

And I called it HIB training. So instead of HIT, it's HIB. So it's high-intensity interval bodybuilding. Wow. That sounds similar it HIB training. So instead of HIT, it's HIB. So it's high intensity interval bodybuilding. Wow. That sounds similar to what I do, you know. Yeah. I used to do powerlifting, but I've moved away from that because I was getting injured as well.

So basically, it'll be like some high cardio mixed with deadlifts. Or some high cardio mixed with squats. Or high cardio mixed with some presses. And it's like a row one day, a bike one day, a ski one day. day or it could be tabata style one day like five minutes on the row or another day like into like five minutes of squats you know like high volume stuff a lot of cool stuff and i put that hib term on it made a couple books like basically documentations of some workouts that i was doing and it fucking went insane and people like exploded it and and it went all over social media and now I sell like a thousand books a month that's amazing and people are so stoked on

it and it's like my own thing no one is really doing that or calling anything like that I don't know if I'm allowed to trademark it or not but it's undeniably another Ryan Fisher thing yeah so it's really really cool and then i always loved kettlebells i always loved dumbbells i always like switching things up and i i made books for those i made dumbbell workout books that are like my style they're not like your traditional like if you looked up dumbbell workouts you would get on google and you would see some girl doing like oh i'd like just like the worst thing ever. It would be like three sets of ten lunges and three sets of ten bent over rows and like some calf raises. And you're going to be shredded.

And it's like what? Like that's not a workout. No one wants to do that. I mean it's crazy though that you still see people doing that the whole time. It blows my mind. They're the most basic workouts ever. There's literally no thought put into them but there's no progressive overload or anything not like nothing nothing no i would almost argue

i would arguably say that progressive overload is not even necessary anymore depends on what your goal is debatably like why do you say that um i mean it's proven to work and it does work and we do it all the time for strength programs but i think for you to look good naked like you could do like any sort of high volume amrap or rounds for time or and like you know as you get stronger over time you're going to start using heavier and heavier weights kind of naturally yeah i'm always coming at it from like the strength point of view because uh that's how i originally built my brand in like the fitness industry so I made this hashtag called strength feed and it was like a supposedly a feed of strength becoming stronger physically mentally and so uh like you I sold a bunch of ebooks fitness ebooks I sold thousands actually but people don't actually know that about me because I've pivoted so far away

from that now focusing on like the online business everything but yeah I think I totally get what you're saying because um I know personally like when it comes to my own training i don't even really i i don't make sure that progressive overhead is perfectly in all of my workouts like i'm just training nowadays for pure enjoyment for health and because i love to push myself and so i really think it just oil all boils down to what your goal is And I think that training and nutrition is very much as well. They become this kind of religion for people and they get attached to their way of doing things. And I know that I used to be like this. Like I'll put my hands up and say I used to be that girl who was like, no, strength training is the only way forward.

Like progressive overload. It has to be evidence based and all this. And like three, that was like three years ago nowadays i'm like well i was way too close-minded back then because i think that it's so easy to get so attached to your way of doing things and so i don't know what your thoughts are on that it's kind of interesting to speak to you about it i mean like strength to me is like irrelevant like i don't i've squatted like 525 pounds at 175 pound body weight i agree with you now and i think it's really interesting that you say that because i used to care so much about it so i guess it's different times of your life you care about different things but i mean even

if i went even if i like that was a couple of three four years ago when i did that squat like if i if i hit 600 pounds tomorrow like so what exactly yeah if i hit 600 pounds and it made me leaner and made like you know like my whole body changed i just turned into like some freak show yeah yeah then yeah i would be like interested in doing it but just for the strength factor i don't really care you're also you're you're really breaking down a lot of your like i don't think people need to be squatting these crazy numbers snatching these crazy numbers cleaning these crazy numbers, snatching these crazy numbers, cleaning these crazy numbers, unless there is a lucrative goal at the end of the rainbow. Like if you're not trying to be Matt Frazier or you're not trying to compete, I understand the enjoyment factor of like, all right, I really want to snatch 200 pounds just for

me. That's fine. But to keep pushing the envelope and pushing the envelope and doing things that are going to absolutely 100% degenerate tissue and higher the rate of injury and all that. What's the point? Exactly. I don't regret any of the stuff that I did because all of it got me to where I am today.

Yeah. And all of the numbers that I hit I think were necessary at the time. But at this point, I just don't feel like it is necessary. I think what's necessary for me is to be excited about my workout you know what i mean so like if i if i if on paper you're giving me this progressive overload workout like you're just like here's what you're gonna do this week right i'm like all right cool and i look at it and like i don't love the workout on paper makes you want to cry and makes you not even want to go train yeah yeah i'm not gonna be that motivated

but if i'm like all right i'm gonna do this blah blah blah and i'm stoked on it and it might not be what necessarily is in the template or is the most optimal for the most amount of possible minimal gains that you could ever make yeah exactly it's like what you can stick to consistently like that's what it boils down to i'd say consistency and just having fun because if you even look at the best looking guys in the gym yeah it's not as it's not as much for crossfit but like if you go to the regular gym yeah which i've been doing recently because i'm trying to make a regular gym book which i absolutely despise by the way because people in 24-hour fitness and stuff they are just painfully awkward none of them know what they're

doing oh yeah it's bad they're all talking the whole time. Like no one's doing anything hard. I'm like, oh, kill me. I see some crazy stuff like painful. These weird things standing on both you balls like it's kind of dangerous to me. Well, they have no idea what they're doing. Oh, you know, like so, you know, I mentioned I kind of built my brand in the fitness industry. So I used to actually make these videos where on the left hand side it would be the big red cross you know the big emoji yeah and then on the right hand side it'd be like the big green tick and they'd be videos and so I do the bad form on the left and then the good on the right and so I used to do these ones where like for example have you ever seen those girls on the stem master like doing glute kick pads and then going sideways and then going backwards like that was one of my ones that went like super viral and then i did another one which was like uh squatting on a bosey ball doing like these bicep curls and i just like made myself fall over and literally these videos got like on my instagram like 500 000 views holy crap back when instagram didn't really get that many views yeah it was crazy but it's because it's relatable because people are like oh my gosh i'm doing this i need to stop now this is the the consequences yeah so yeah you do see some

absolutely crazy ass stuff in this it's terrible but uh i had been in there just kind of trying to figure out like what i was going to do and where was i where's i going with that well you were talking about how you're built basically building a book, writing a new book about kind of 24, like Planet Fitness, all that type of stuff. And so how you despise going into those gyms and essentially what you see in there. Oh, yeah. So going in there and then trying to make the books for that. And I had just kept realizing just how boring like that style of training was and how it needed to be changed. Well, I think that's the reason why people do these crazy things because they think they have to do something that is, you know, fun because they get bored, right?

Like they don't think that they can stick to it because they find it boring. But what I was going to say is, so being in there, actually, now that I remember, being in these gyms, I just wanted to tell people why I was in there because they're like, why would Ryan be in there? So just lurking. And yeah, I'm trying to make this book for you guys but uh if you're in there and you look at the guys who look better than anybody else yeah maybe they're on drugs or something but like even that you still have to work really hard you don't just take drugs and all of a sudden look

like an insane human yeah they're not staring at a piece of paper that says like 70 today 80 today this is that like they're doing drop sets they're doing like you know different movements they're like changing it up every single day they're like face looks like they're going to explode on every set like they're going hard as fuck they're doing different things all the time and they're in i mean they're just they're in pain you know what i mean like without pain you are not going to change your body or yeah even even not eating is. Like if you have to be on a specific diet, like if you're trying to fast, like that shit's hard. Like if you want to change your body, 100 percent you need to deal with some pain. Yeah.

100 percent. And then for guys who want muscle, like you're never going to have muscle if you're a fucking pussy. It's just not going to happen. Yeah. You're going to get really, really close and your body is going to be like, nah, you're a pussy and you're going to stay being a pussy. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I agree. I just find it interesting how when it comes to fitness,

I feel like fitness, success in fitness and success in business are just so similar. You're going to have to put yourself through pain. You're going to have to do things that terrify you and you're going to have to get out of your comfort zone consistently in order to keep growing. There are to do things that terrify you and you're going to have to get out of your comfort zone consistently in order to keep growing. There are so many things that overlap.

And if you were to take the word fitness out of the equation, you could be talking about business for, you know, like if you say if you want to change your business. OK, if you want to change your body story, you have to go through pain. But just same thing goes. If you want to have success in your business, you're going to have pain. Right. It's like all similar. So, I I mean it's been so awesome hearing your story like your mindset is super powerful and it's just obvious that with everything that you do you have such a high level of standard and that's why you've been able to build your brand that's why you've been able to have the success you've had when it comes to your body when it comes to your

business when it comes to all these books, your gym, everything. And I think for anyone listening, if you are wanting to have success within your niche or niche, whatever you guys say, if you're wanting to have success opening your own gym, whatever business that you have, or even if you don't have a business in your career, or just in your relationships, right? You have to put in the work and you have to hold that high level of standard and it's something that I feel maybe not even just in this day and age but I think it's just a general human thing we are so quick to let our standards slip and if you're the more you let your standards slip the more it becomes a habit and the more that you let yourself short really

then the more often it's going to happen because it spirals right like you know they say the more that you let yourself short, really, then the more often it's going to happen because it spirals, right? Like, you know, they say the more you do something, the more easy it becomes. It's just like the more you do something badly, the easier it becomes to do it badly. It's just the same thing. So it's been awesome hearing from you today and just, yeah, hearing about how you're absolutely crushing it and how you're so committed to everything that you do. So thank you for sharing all of this with your people and my people to add to that though a lot of these people that are listening and you're getting inspired on some level like you guys need to understand too like i would never want this show to end without you guys understanding that

like you are gonna get knocked down for sure oh my gosh all the time a hundred percent you're gonna get knocked down i hate even bringing up gary v because he's so repetitive and he's just like you know he emailed me yesterday his team oh really yeah i thought that was kind of cool they want to send me a gift oh cool random right but yeah he he is so repetitive but i mean but he says like go fail now yeah you know what i mean like go fail and i totally agree with that I feel like there were so many things that I'm doing now with books and my online program and stuff that I always, like, I already had the material written down. I already had the vision of it.

And I just, like, for some reason, like, didn't think that I was good enough. You know what I mean? Like, I always have a high level of standard for myself, but I always was like, well, so and so is already doing this or – Comparison. That person won the CrossFit Games. Like why would I put my stuff out when there's like people like that out there and they have this product or whatever? And it's like people don't understand that you're not really selling a product as much as you're selling yourself.

People support you and that's it. And there's a lot of people out there that I support that there's definitely people out there that are bigger name than them. Yeah. And it makes me think, I'm like, oh man, so that is why so many people buy my stuff. They like the way that I talk. They like the way that I look.

They like my lifestyle. Like there's something about me that connects me with them. Yeah. And I'll never forget the amount of people that i've interviewed on my show where they have 10 000 followers and they're making like 40 50 000 a month on their instagram off of different products and i think i could you could tell someone who has five six thousand followers that and they still don't feel motivated enough to like be like oh i can do that too you have to

believe it in your own mind first before anything else everyone thinks a million followers it means a million dollars it definitely does not not at all it's funny you bring that up it could actually mean the opposite yeah no i um i've had people come to me because you may not know but i coach influencers but well i mentor them really to help them build a business based upon their personal brand and their audience and what's the crash course of that look like? So, well, they come to me and then we build out our products. So I go digital products really. So like maybe an online course,

maybe if they're a fitness influencer, we'll build out like a 12-week program or something related to their niche. So we'll get them to go all in on their particular niche. And it's crazy because some of them have come to me and they are literally earning like $1,000 a month, like just from one sponsorship, and that is all. They may have 400,000 followers.

That's one of the girls who recently just came to me. 400,000? 450,000 followers, and she was earning $1,000 a month. That's crazy. Now she's obviously not, thankfully, because we've been able to build something of her own, but people think that followers automatically equal money, if you're not selling anything you can't

earn any money can you so it's just like and if you're not genuine in the way that you sell it exactly yeah it has to be something that's authentic to you and that's actually going to help people like i could talk about this particular topic all day because it fires me up but with that said i would just like to leave kind of one final thought with the listeners and it's just like you don't have to be the number one best or the number one expert in the world let's think about it this way right like if you have let's say you're in school you're in eighth grade and you've passed your seventh grade maths if there's someone in seventh grade who is struggling to pass their maths exam you could coach them right you could tutor them on it because you're

just like one step above them um have you heard of russell brunson the guy who owns click funnels so in his book i think it was in one of his books it's like expert secrets or something he basically talks about how you just have to be two percent better than someone else to help them with something and i think it's so true especially when you're just that little bit above somebody else i think you're really relatable to them right and i think so often people don't go out there and they don't go and maybe try start that instagram or start that youtube or start that podcast or maybe i don't know just like do whatever they don't do it because they think that they have to be the best

but they just don't and i think imposter syndrome is a massive problem for so many people. But here's the thing. I mean, if you don't... Imposter syndrome? Imposter syndrome. Basically, where you feel like you're a fraud. Sorry, it's probably my accent. It's just the accent. Yeah, my bad.

No, I understand what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. So for anyone who doesn't know who's listening, imposter syndrome is basically where you feel like you're going to get found out as a fraud because you're not good enough to be talking about the particular topic that you're talking about. And so many people struggle with it because they just don't believe in themselves. And like I think that confidence comes with success as well. But you're never going to have success if you don't start.

And so, you know, you could listen to this podcast today and get inspired, get pumped up and like think of all these ideas. But you don't do anything. What's the point? You've just wasted like how long have we been filming? Like an hour and a half? I don't know. Go actually take action on what we've been talking about today. And you are going to have an amazing year.

Amazing life. Just take action and make things happen. And there's nothing worse than following somebody and watching somebody that you hate. Like crushing. And you're like, this guy is not genuine. This guy is not this. This guy is not that. Well, you know what? You're the this guy's not genuine this guy's not this this guy's not that well you know what you're the guy that's not doing shit yeah he's the guy who's out there putting in the work taking the action people hate him or not exactly he gives zero yeah i've had

people who hate on my stuff all the time all the time totally fine did it let you never let it stop you i did not let it stop me yeah and that is why we get to sit having this conversation today, right? Because we can now prove to people that you should not care. And so that's how I'm done now. I feel like we've shed so much value today. Yeah. So thank you so much. No problem.

This has been awesome. Now we get back to the boat. We're at Wide on the Waves right now. Yes. And it's our last day. Yeah. Time to go get some dinner i say yeah the food on here is good huh i say i say my love y'all y'all so funny when like american people try

doing a british accent i'm not even gonna try go and do it go on do it oh my god that is amazing okay thank you so much. This has been awesome. So listeners, always appreciate it when you share it on your story so you can tag both of us. What's your handle on Instagram? Ryan Fish, R-Y-A-N-F-I-S-C-H. And you can find pretty much everything about me on there. Cool. And then I'm Lauren Tickner, L-A-U-R-E-N-T-I-C-K-N-E-R.

That's me. And then my podcast is called Impact School. What's yours called? Real Chalk. But you have to follow. It's called Shrugged Collective. That's where I'm on. So I'm on a channel with other podcasts.

I'm every Tuesday. It's called Real Chalk. So you'd have to follow Shrugged, S-H-R-U-G-G-E-D, Collective. And then you'll hear me on there every Tuesday. Yeah, amazing. Awesome. So so yeah go follow both of us share this on your story and we would love to have a chat with you in the dms all right guys thank you so much bye over and out