Barbell Shrugged - Jeremy Jackson’s Jagged Journey — Real Chalk #86

Episode Date: July 30, 2019

Jeremy at one point lived a life most people can only dream of. I mean, come on. He grew up on the set of the most popular TV show in the universe, surrounded by hot babes all day long, and got paid millions of dollars to do it! That kind of fame, however—especially when it comes at a young age—can have a dark side.    In this episode, we touch on a few of his most life altering moments and how health and fitness plays a role in all of it.    Spoiler alert... We talk about stabbing people in the first 5 minutes. Hold on to your seat because it’s going to be a bumpy ride! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Show notes: http://www.shruggedcollective.com/rc-jackson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ► Subscribe to Shrugged Collective's Channel Here http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedSubscribe 📲 🎧 Listen to the audio version on the Apple Podcast App or Stitcher for Android Here- http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedApple http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedStitcher Shrugged Collective is a network of fitness, health and performance shows that help people achieve their physical and mental health goals.  Usually in the gym, but outside as well. In 2012 they posted their first Barbell Shrugged podcast and have been putting out weekly free videos and podcasts ever since. Along the way we've created successful online coaching programs including The Shrugged Strength Challenge, The Muscle Gain Challenge, FLIGHT, Barbell Shredded, and Barbell Bikini. We're also dedicated to helping affiliate gym owners grow their businesses and better serve their members by providing owners tools and resources like the Barbell Business Podcast. Find Shrugged Collective and their flagship show Barbell Shrugged here: SUBSCRIBE ON ITUNES ► http://bit.ly/ShruggedCollectiveiTunes WEBSITE ► https://www.ShruggedCollective.com INSTAGRAM ► https://instagram.com/shruggedcollective FACEBOOK ► https://facebook.com/ barbellshruggedpodcast TWITTER ► http://twitter.com/barbellshrugged

Ladies and gentlemen, it's Tuesday. It's your boy Ryan Fisher on the mic, ready to light you guys up for the weekend. I absolutely love to introduce these new episodes to you guys on Tuesday. This week is such an all-time show. You guys are going to be amped on this. There's going to be so many moments where you're like, I absolutely have to share this on social media because I can't believe I'm listening to this right now. The first five minutes of this show, we talk about stabbing people. And I don't mean metaphorically stabbing people. I mean people actually got stabbed. My man Jeremy Jackson was the son of Hasselhoff on the movie Baywatch. He's potentially one of the most famous childhood stars of all time. And he lived a life that most of us lived a life that most of us can only dream of i mean he

literally was around some of the hottest chicks in the entire world on tv and he was in the thick of it he was there before social media was a thing so he's just all over tv and it was just he was a superstar it was insane like everywhere he went there was people screaming at him at all the times and he made millions of dollars during this time. So, I mean, he just has such an interesting life because it was such a high. And then he's had so many lows, including being in jail, getting married, getting divorced, having these things like stabbing people in tabloids that you're seeing in the supermarket and in the Enquirer. And his name is everywhere and there's so much going on.

But he also found fitness throughout all of this and all of the things that are in fitness, whether it's breathing or different types of diets and all these different things that he fell in love with. And he actually wound up becoming a cover model for an Iron Man magazine, which is a humongous thing. And he still to this day keeps it as one of his prized moments, one of his favorite things he ever did. But another thing that's really great is he talks about, you know, what really matters and what really doesn't matter, things you guys can take home just to, you know, make yourself a little bit happier in your own life. And, you know, kind of the grass isn't always greener type of thing. So it's an amazing episode. I actually bumped into this guy at a 24 hour fitness. That's like literally a half, a quarter of a mile from

my gym. And he came up to me and he's like, Hey man, I see you all over Instagram. And, you know, I just wanted to say what's up. And I wanted to talk to you. And, you know, I just wanted to say what's up and I wanted to talk to you and, you know, I see that you have a podcast and I'd love to be on there. And I was like, after I heard his story and started looking him up on Google, I was like, man, this guy has a story to tell. And if there's anyone to tell it, it's your boy. So I wanted to make sure that I was one of the first people to get him on the air. And I am, I don't think he's really been on any other podcasts yet and told his entire story. So we don't get every single piece of it because that would take a long time.

But you guys have a solid 90 minutes of just action-packed. And there's a lot of laughter in there. There's a lot of real moments in there. And I'm just so, so excited to share this episode with you guys. So before we get into the episode, I want to talk about our sponsor. And our sponsor is Wattify. You guys know Wattify. If you guys follow Chalk Online, my entire system of workouts for my gym, my online programming

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We go. All right, ladies and gentlemen, it's Tuesday. We're back. I'm sitting down with Jeremy Jackson. If you guys don't know who Jeremy Jackson was Or is He is the son from Who am I going to be? That's the question So many things

If you guys have ever seen Baywatch He was David Hasselhoff's son Nobody's watched that show dude I feel like if you're over 30 you've seen Baywatch I hope so I think so And I think everyone knows who David Hasselhoff is The movie too

With The Rock Amazon, Hulu It's all back on now Yeah, and I think everyone knows who David Hasselhoff is. Well, the movie too with The Rock. So it's kind of Amazon, Hulu. It's all back on now. So maybe some younger chicks will be checking me out soon, not just the ones my age. From all the research I've done, it sounded like you've had quite a few of those younger chicks in your lifetime. No more chicks. Being a superstar. What was it like actually being that big of a superstar at

the time i mean just i was like all right i'm having this guy come in i want to make sure i have enough information on him and you were just fucking everywhere every video you were like you had every cool alpha don every dope hairstyle the mullets all these things and i'm like man this guy lived the life is really fucking cool um little guyliner let's just hit that real quick okay so what was it like like being that famous yeah like i mean you i mean as a kid it's so much different than like now like if it happened to me now i'd be like all right well i worked really hard to get here and you obviously did as a kid too but all of a sudden it's just this lifestyle was just given to you and it's gnarly like right away right yeah yeah that makes a lot of sense like

you know if it happened now we're like oh great let's leverage these opportunities yeah yeah yeah no network with and get it you know take it as a business deal but um you know what's weird is when i was really little um like i just watched michael jackson every day like obsessively and elvis presley and you know i would get the chills when i when i saw those those girls screaming and people passing out i would just be like oh man that's that's gonna happen to me one day like i'm that's gonna be me that's i want that you know um so did you want to be like a singer do i be a dancer like both you know entertainment for, so did you want to be like a singer? Do you want to be a dancer? Like both, you know, entertainment for me, it was just entertainment. Yeah. So I, I spent like every day practicing that stuff and like doing costumes and outfits and choreography and

like putting on state plays and like pretending to be like a ballerina and like recording little radio shows on my, on my little, uh, karaoke machine, push and pause and start and, uh, you know, all that kind of stuff. So I kind of had always envisioned it interestingly enough, you know, like strong as a kid. So, um, when it happened, it was like a major dream come true, know but at the same time i kind of suffer from that it's never good enough you know disorder so um when it happened it was like amazing but then it was like but i need more but i yeah like oh i i didn't get the cover of the teen magazine this month i'm like two pages in how dare they like what do i have to do to get the cover like it's easy to be there

when i hear when i listen to a lot of these people it's like you know they're so excited about it but it's like you take it personal it burns out yeah you totally take it personal i remember like one time uh because i did a couple albums you know i did like two albums and five singles and like uh toured in europe i ended up getting sponsored by adidas when i was like 12 years old and one of my songs hit um uh number three on the billboard charts and it broke a record for in the billboard music hall of fame that was like an inductee at like 13 years old damn i actually didn't know that that's cool that's kind of neat right and uh you're singing in it yeah yeah it was

my song and um the dutch soccer team um ajax or ix as they pronounce it out there they actually came out to my song for a couple of years that was their theme song in their stadium in holland so i guess i was like the youngest person to debut at that that high on the charts and it was specifically out in europe but um you know i remember getting off the plane and having like the thousands of people waiting for me you The human tunnel that the security guards had to make so I could get out of the car and into the stadium. I was like, finally, I have arrived. This is what I always wanted. It was pretty intense, dude.

But in the original Baywatch just getting started days, I had a single mom. I was born and raised in orange county and you know we were like we were broke you know on food stamps and social services housing like you low income housing just my little mom trying to make ends meet and you know so i'm just kind of surfing already and and you know getting in trouble in in school with a single parent so when baywatch came around it was kind of the same gig it It was like Hobie Buchanan, Mitch, Mitch's son, you know, he was a single dad. They were like a little beach family. And so that's kind of why it was a perfect fit when I started Baywatch at 10. I could see that definitely being, I actually have a similar story with dad's scenario

too, but moving on from that. Oh, we got to get into that later on here you know you start this stuff starts all taking off for you and then let's let's talk about like the end of your career when all of a sudden what's the first thing that happened you started to kind of go downhill with drugs and alcohol yeah totally i mean it's it started before that for sure. Sugar. Sugar was my first addiction. Gnarly. Hiding it. You know, sneaking it. I had major ADD. Like dyslexic.

I wrote everything backwards. Literally, huh? Like you had to hold it in a mirror to read it. I would go from the outside of the page to the inside. You know? Like every letter was flipped. That's so weird. Yeah, it's a trip.

Dyslexia is a trip. My mom would take me to the roller skating rink and no matter how hard I tried, I would end up skating against the crowd. Like I'd sit on the side and they'd be going this way, going this way. Okay, okay, go that way. And then I get out there, I'm like, yeah, going that way. And then I wouldn't even know it. My mom would be waving her hands like, get in here. You're doing it again. Scored on the wrong goal twice on my soccer team when I was like nine and whatever. Everyone's chasing me.

I'm like, yeah, I'm doing good. And then I score. I'm like, why was my team chasing me too? Oh, I was going the wrong way. I scored in the wrong goal. So that was fun. So anyway, I was nuts basically and uh super hyper so my mom took me off sugar and it actually helped a lot you know wow so like this mother's market here and i'll see i've been going there since i was

like freaking eight years old yeah um i do like that market oh it's so good yeah shout out to mothers so was that like maybe the first time that you'd like noticed that like diet and nutrition had a huge effect on you? Yeah. And it was something that you might eventually want to get into? Big time. Big time. I was lucky to have experienced relief and benefits from changing my diet as a kid. And, you know, even though my mom was not, you know, a nutrition pro or whatever, she she cared enough to try some stuff rather than Ritalin, rather than Adderall that the doctors wanted to do. So why you got some never done.

No. And so alternative medicine and nutrition kind of being coinciding, not not just no sugar, but it's kind of a it's an alternative medicine and nutrition kind of being coinciding, not just no sugar, but it's kind of an alternative medicine, and it worked. So luckily I did have that experience later on in life. What happens when you have sugar now? I just crave more and more and more. Have you had duck donuts? I have not. Oh, my gosh.

Just Sidecar, which is the greatest place ever. Okay, but duck donuts, they make them to order like a frozen yogurt stand. Oh, dude. Just Sidecar, which is the greatest place ever. Okay, but Duck Donuts, they make them to order like a frozen yogurt stand. Oh, wow. They fry them real quick right there, and then they have all the toppings. So you're like, oh, yeah, crown cracker, marshmallow, and they just – So they're just making them in duck fat, or is it like an actual – No, it's just called Duck Donuts. Oh, it's just called –

Yeah, but they're hot, you know. Yeah. They're totally warm when you get them, and you can cover them with anything you want. Oh, wow. They got like 50 different toppings. I literally haven't even heard of it. We'll have to go there one day. It's my heroin.

Sugar's like heroin. All right. So now – It was sugar. So basically it was sugar, and then it graduated to – I mean, really, to put it simply, anything I was ever told not to do, anything I was ever told is dangerous, anything that older kids were doing or adults that it looked like

they were hiding it from me or keeping it secret or I was too young for, infuriated me and that's all that I wanted and I was going to find it because a lot of people are like, oh, the entertainment business

must have been really hard. The entertainment business, I probably would have been in a weird gang and freaking been doing who knows what if i hadn't been famous you know i was i was seeking it seeking to strive laser tunnel vision from the get-go it's crazy just how all that stuff um evolved and i'm like i want to hit so many things but just for the audience out there listening right now i just kind of want to like highlight a few of the other things that kind of happened. And I really want to get into a lot of the nutrition stuff that you're into nowadays and all that. But eventually, this all turned into you potentially – I mean actually no, you went to jail for a year.

Yeah. I've been to jail a bunch of times. But the longest stint was a year, correct? Yeah. Okay. And that was because of a stabbing. Yeah. Right? And was a year, correct? Yeah. Okay. And that was because of a stabbing. Yeah. Right?

And as a self-defense? Yeah. Yeah. So did the man live or no? I had two, three, or four of those. Stabbings? Yeah. I stabbed three people.

No, two people. I've had to stab two people. And I've had guns in my face, in my mouth, in my temple. Because they're trying to rob you. Yeah, yeah. Three, four, four, four, five maybe times. Because they were trying to get – did they know who you were and they were trying to get money? That's exactly what it was, man.

Okay. You know? I eventually – And where were these places actually? Sorry. Most of my trouble I get in is in the San Fernando Valley. Oh, okay. You know, Thousand Oaks and Cino.

I was going to say, there's really nobody in Newport. It's really – Nobody in Newport wanted to go as hard as I did. I was going to say, want to try to steal your Duffy or something. Sweet top ciders, bro. Yeah. For those of you who don't know what we're talking about, in Newport, people have these little electric boats. It's just like – it's so foofy and bougie.

But like it's just – it's our thing out here. Yeah. I love it. Speaking of top siders, he's wearing a pair as well. All right. So that happened. And then how old are you in your last – I think the one time you spent a year, how old are you now? That was just about five years ago.

Okay. Yeah. So that's probably the biggest turning point in your life now, right? Now you're like, all right, fuck this. It's time to start doing some real shit for me now and getting my shit together. Yeah, for sure. I mean when I was 20 years old, I got arrested for manufacturing methamphetamine. Scared the – 20 years old? 20 years old. Wow. arrested for manufacturing methamphetamine. Scared.

20 years old? 20 years old. Wow. Scared the living crap out of me. Okay. So I was just. You couldn't win the jail for life for that. Yeah.

Well, 37 minimum, 35 maximum is the sentence for manufacturing drugs. You don't know. Well, we'll get into that later, but, you know, I went from like a rich, bratty, you know, egotistical kid who, you know, got beat up a lot by kids in high school that were jealous. And I just wanted to party and hang out with chicks and be the guy with the blow. And, you know, it was kind of all fun and, you know, enjoyable for a period of time. And then, you know, in the blink of an eye, who knows how it got really crazy horrible to where I'm like quitting work, passing on million dollar deals, going broke, going in and out of rehabs, going in and out of jail to, you know, homeless, broke 135 pounds, blistered face, just gnarly, creepy, you know, sea urchin mutant, you know, and, uh, I got arrested for manufacturing methamphetamine, scared the crap out of me. I thought I was done for, I became hopeless. I went to jail for a little while. I went to rehab for a little while. I

pretty much exhausted all of the finances. You know, I had probably made over $3 million from, from 10 to 16 and blew through that. And I got straight for a really long time. You know, life was good. And that's really where I discovered fitness and stuff. And I had about a 12-year run that was phenomenal, you know. And then I ended up getting in a relationship that was magical and whooshed me off my feet. And I thought I had it all figured out. And I thought that I had kind of conquered the drug and alcohol problem, that it wouldn't

really resurface because I had built such a strong foundation and built up such a great life. And I had these clients that relied on me and, you know, I was dealing with, you know, hedge fund manager, multimillionaires, and like catering to the Ray J was one of my clients and like Calvin Klein models, like winning jujitsu tournaments and like people need me. There's no way a couple beers on vacation in Tahiti is going to cost me all of this. Yeah.

I have 12 years of hard work. I'm going to, no, no way, no way. A little honeymoon, you know, drinking is going to ruin all that.

And it didn't take very long. It really actually did. Like, whoa. So that's how I got in trouble again this most recent time. And now I'm putting back together what I had did before with a new found conviction for not relenting. Not letting it slip even a smidgen. I read that along the way and some of the things I found and it, that, that sucks where you're like, you're cleaning for 12 years and then all of a sudden you have fucking

three beers on the vacation and you're like, God damn it. You know, people just have that, you know, that gene where it's like, it's time to go. You know what I mean? Like you have to just shut it off completely. Yeah, it is definitely a gene. And I think a lot of us athletes, um, have that gene and we've found an outlet for it. Um, really the only thing that combats that gene, you know, that fuck everything and, and drill it into the ground gene, um, is community and, um, and serotonin. Dopamine is the rush that you get when you do a bump of coke,

when you jump out of an airplane or whatever. But when serotonin is released through, you're a beast, bro. I respect you. Let's work out. Heck yeah, I'm getting better. You believe in me and I'm looking up to you. And we have this whole pack thing going.

Then that gene just gets suffocated under the serotonin and the dopamine doesn't like say wait wait no i'm not good enough i need to do something i need to take something i need to do one more one more one more it's a trip and what i think is cool is you've actually figured out a way to do a lot of kind of like drug inducing effects through natural means, which I want to get into. Let's get high right now. But before we hit that. I'm high on Jesus. All right.

So now you are out of jail now. And then now what's like your first step? You're like, all right, I'm going to start this path. What is, what is it? You get out of jail. Like what's the first thing? Like the door opens up, you get outside, sun hits your skin.

You're like, all right, plan one or plan a, like step one is what? Oh, freaking TMZ was in the parking lot waiting for me. Really? Somebody sold me out.

So you got a little bit of, you got a little bit of love right away. Yeah. Here we are. Oh man, you should have had an Instagram back in the day. You would have crushed. Right? Listen, dude, I was missing a tooth.

My front tooth got knocked out. In jail? Yeah, I looked like Manson. No, before I went to jail. Okay. And I was like, I'm just going to leave it. Maybe it'll help people leave me alone. That hairy, toothless guy, he looks crazy.

So that was fun but really you know while i was in jail i did of course uh a lot of really good reading and and found a really good routine and it was interesting because i was so motivated and so focused and so driven on how you know i was going to use spirituality and, and, and routine and, and helping others. And this business I was going to start, I was going to start this business called warriors of the enlightened road water, W O T E R warriors of the enlightened road. And it was like this nonprofit. I was going to take fitness, inspirational, motivational fitness to rehabs and to vets. And I was going to build these obstacle courses and everything was going to have a spiritual purpose behind it.

So I was going to make people do the obstacle course holding on. I was going to like interview them and be like, what's holding you back? Is it, is it fear? Is it shame? Sexual abuse? Is it doubt? Is it addiction? Your dad hurt you?

Did your mom hurt you? Like what's real? I was going to make them do an obstacle course wearing that weighted vest or holding on to that wall ball that actually had written on it what they were dealing with? Have them do it without it. How much easier was it to get through the obstacle course of life without

holding on to that shame or that guilt? So much easier. I'm like, there it is. Boom. You know what I mean? That's just one of 20 ideas that I was going to say a bad idea, right? That's just one of 20 ideas that I was going to use to, to, you know, mesh community forgiveness and, and, and acceptance into fitness. Right. Because stuff implants, when you're at your weakest, that's when stuff gets in you.

When you're at your most broken and someone says you can do this, like that's when it sticks. You know? So just opening people up and building them up, you know? Um, because really they're just breaking themselves down, right? They're just feeling broken. But, but if someone's there to build them up or if they can believe they can be built up, they can do that one more rep that translates into life, you know? So I had this whole thing I was going to do, and I definitely wasn't ready for it when I first got out. And it's kind of more so starting to come to fruition now. It never comes when you want it. It comes when you need it, right?

So what I really did when I got out is just low, low, low, and slow, man. I managed sober living homes. I stayed safe. Did you have friends who owned these sober living homes and they trusted you? Yeah, luckily. Luckily, I had some really good friends that kind of gave me away and, you know, let me work at their rehabs and run little groups. It's a lucrative thing around here. I mean, it's kind of a filthy business.

Crazy. I mean, there's a lot of nastiness behind that. People are human trafficking and coming up and, and, and buying clients and selling clients. It's really nasty when you get into it, but it is lucrative. Not so anymore. People are, the insurance companies are choking them out. Yeah. But, um, the places, luckily the places I went to were good and good places do exist.

Um, so I got drug and alcohol counselor certified and,, you know, I got my first aid certification, my CPR certification. And I just, like, dug in the trenches, man. I just loved on, like, newcomers and people who were going through it and tried to pull for them. And I led some fitness stuff in rehab. Nobody wants to work out in rehab. I know. I tried really hard to get them in the gym here. Yeah.

But it's like we'd rather drop them off at 24. I'm like you drop them off at 24 and they have the ability to get drugs from people. Smoking cig outside. Yeah, but there's like all sorts of other fucked up people. Drinking four bangs. It's just crazy. They're not even working out. Dude, some of them are actually getting hooked on bangs.

I know. Like bad. Like I had a kid in my gym. He went in rehab for heroin and he wound up drinking a bunch of fucking bangs after it. He got like – the bangs made him want to do like cocaine and shit. He wanted to get into like more aggressive things, and I was like, dude, fucking bangs. Once upon a time, I was sponsored by a bang. No joke.

Yeah? I quit. You were a bang bro? I can't fucking do this anymore. It was so bad. You were a bang bro? It was so bad. They pay kind of good for the pub spell, huh? They did. They did, yeah. If you do this anymore. It was so bad. You were a bang bro. It was so bad. They pay kind of good for the pups though, huh?

They did, yeah. If you had a big booty, it was better. You do have a big booty, fool. What are you talking about? You got a big girl booty. Why do you think I've been stalking you on Instagram, dog? Dude, I got some DMs for those. It's out of control. A muscle muscle worship business on the side

you got it's so ridiculous that's how you keep the gym afloat my private snapchat cracking eggs crackle walnuts so um anyway so that's what i did yeah i just i hunkered down for like two years dude and i just put the blinders on i didn. I didn't want to get too big too quick. Actually, one of my buddies gave me his Toyota Tacoma, like a 2004 Tacoma. I remember driving the Tacoma, and I had a car for the first time in a long time. Because I really had nothing, nothing. I was really broken, broken. I was like, this is so cool. I got a job in the rehab. I got a truck. And then it hit. And I was like, this is so cool.

I got a job in the rehab. I got a truck. And then it hit me. I was like, oh, no, this is not like time to celebrate. This is time to be extra careful. This is the time when you mess it up, when you got something. It's time to double your efforts. It's interesting how the progression has gone.

But anyway. So when did the fitness stuff start to come? Because I've read that you've tried like every fucking diet in the world out there. I'm a fucking weirdo, dude. And I really want to get into that. I want to get into that weird stuff. So just when did it kick in and then we'll start? You know, it kicked in when I was about 26.

Okay. I dated this girl and her ex-boyfriend was shredded. And I hated that. Yeah. I was like, I don't like my girlfriend having boyfriends that had stuff that I don't have. I'm going to get it. I'm going to get it better. Better than anybody.

And so I just started going to the gym and messing around. And, you know, I had had some cool personal trainers. Dude, you're going to slap me right now. Yeah. When I was 14, Dr. Connelly from Metrix was my one-on-one personal trainer. They sponsored me. I got whatever I want from Metrix, and I literally could have just stuck with that guy. That's one of the things I really kick myself in the ass for. If I would have stuck with that guy and learned everything from him at the age of 14, can

you freaking imagine? Yeah. Can you freaking imagine? Ooh! Yeah. I don't have anybody in my life like that where I was like, fuck, I wish I stayed with that dude or just learned a little bit more. Fortunately for me, I don't have to look back and be bummed on that, but. He was a doctor, you know? Dude, yeah.

He's the man. Creator of metrics. He's a genius. He was like 6'5 and 260 diesel with acute BO, by the way, if you've ever met him. He has a genius. He was like 6'5 and 260 diesel with Acute BO, by the way, if you've ever met him. He has a condition called Acute BO. It just smells up any room he's in. It's amazing. Really?

It's amazing. Interesting. You know he's there. It's funny because people would be like, oh, dude, are you bummed you're not famous anymore? Are you kidding me? I'm bummed I didn't freaking stick with Dr. Connolly. That's what I'm bummed about, dude. Screw the Lambo, dude, are you bummed you're not famous anymore? Are you kidding me? I'm bummed I didn't freaking stick with Dr. Connolly. That's what I'm bummed about, dude. Screw the Lambo, dude. Screw the Lambo.

I had some cool little trainers that would get me in shape-ish, you know, for Baywatch a couple times that I did learn some cool stuff from. And I always looked up to those guys. I mean, I can remember, like, the conan the barbarian live show at universal studios and i used to actually draw um like superhero guys with their thighs and their veins and their muscles all the time like structure was always like pretty appealing to me i was enamored with it even from a young kid yeah um but when i was 26 i just went in the gym threw everything against the wall

i'd be doing like weird, you know, everything moves. And I don't even think I could get, you know, 135 up when I first started. Just a couple of plates. And then this dude came into my life that I met actually at Equinox. I went in there. I was like, I want the best trainer you got. And he was an Army Ranger. And he was the first Army Ranger to ever be awarded the title PT officer, physical training officer, ever. They never had an officer of physical training.

And he had submitted some documentation of how to get some overweight pilots in shape that they were doing wrong. And, you know, he's like a kinesiologist. He's got a photographic memory. And he was just a scientist that would just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The whole time we were working out, he'd be telling me about the Fulcrum points and the moment arm theory. So, you know, explaining all about the eccentric phase and ATP. And when ATP runs out, getting into, you know, like everything, like nonstop. And thank God for that you know so we went through when i was about 27

we went through a very strict linear periodization like twice in a row um which took like six months and i was like yeah they're slow like yeah i'm like dunking you know what i mean like like boom what the hell my verts were crazy my deadl, my squats, it was rad, you know? And we got into, like, some German volume stuff. That's, like, my favorite. Yeah. Dog crap training. We got into some weird stuff after that.

Yep. So we started doing a little more CrossFit style after I had built that foundation, you know? You're still with the same guy now? Yeah. Okay. Because I didn't have, you know, I didn't have the speed and agility. I didn't have the strength. I hadn't mastered any of them.

It sounds like you still have money at this point. Oh, yeah. You're seeing this guy. Oh, well, 26, I was already sober for six years, six, seven years. Well, we actually just hit it off. I've trained with him once or twice at Equinox. He's like, screw that.

Let's just work out together every day. Oh, cool. So we just worked out every day at 24 on 19th. Oh, okay. Right, right across the street from where I met you. Um, and I just ghosted that dude, man. Uh, Christian C and Franny will shout him out. Intensity Fit Club up in LA. Christian C and Franny, my man. So he's got his own gym now. Yeah, he does some private training. He teaches actually at personal training institutes up in LA. Right on. So now you start getting your first taste of training variables and different things like that, which a lot of my viewers or a lot of my listeners are probably pretty savvy on that.

I teach a bunch of that stuff. But the nutrition stuff is super interesting to me and I think to most people. And whenever you really want to get like truly visible results fast, I think nutrition is really where it comes into play. And then there's different nutrition protocols that can give you mental results as well and just anti-aging effects, this, that, blah, blah, blah. So I've read that you went raw. Totally raw. Even eating raw chicken. Primal raw it's called.

Primal raw, there's an amazing book on it. I forget what it's called. Ajinu maybe is the author, a guy named Ajinu. He cured his son out of a coma with raw butter, raw cream, raw cheese, raw bison, raw green juices. Actually, you drink very little water. You eat raw eggs. Drink very little water? Yeah.

Interesting. I was blown away. Mostly the green juice is called for. Yeah, the raw chicken. But you soak it in apple cider vinegar. It was bomb. It was the best chicken I've ever tasted in my life. Oh, okay.

So the vinegar actually cooks it a little bit, right? Yeah. Okay. How long does it have to sit in there for? Just like overnight. Oh, okay. And this is all, all this raw dairy and this raw meat is actually like from an Amish farm. You can't freeze it if you're going to eat the bison.

It can't have been frozen because freezing it will kill some of the bacteria or the enzymes that you need. You can't heat it because that kills some of the bacteria or the enzymes that you need. Can't heat it because that kills some of the bacteria and enzymes you need. So it's super inconvenient. Oh, dude, it was 700 bucks a week for this diet. Oh, wow. Yeah. And none of the eggs had ever seen a fertilizer.

They never even seen a tractor. They're from an Amish farm in Pennsylvania, you know? So they were totally safe to eat. Lick the shells, no salmonella and nothing. Wow. Yeah. All right. Well, that's fucking rad salmonella and nothing. Wow. Yeah. All right. Well, that's fucking rad. That was a fun one.

But there's one. Let's hit all the other ones. You went fasting for 16 days, correct? Well, 19 on juice alone. 19 days. Okay. 19 on juice alone. So just green juice.

Yeah. And some crazy water, like super mineralized, alkaline, freak boy, $100 a gallon water. $100 a gallon? Yeah. Jesus. It's called Anu water. It tastes like pool water for real. It doesn't even taste good.

Uh-uh. All right. Well, there's that one. You've done paleo. You've done – what else have I not hit? Keto. Keto. Bone broth fasting.

Raw vegan. Hold on. What's a bone broth? Bone broth fasting? Fasting. Just drinking bone broth only. That's it, huh a what's a bone broth bone broth fasting just drinking bone broth only that's it huh yeah all right so we got that wait what's that because i want to i want to talk about wheatgrass enemas uh so okay is that the whole diet you can taste it now i did it after the 19 day juice cleanse okay i had a little wheatgrass booty bump. Who helped you with that? Just a patient, my chiropractor. Just you or your chiropractor did?

I stood on my head against the wall and he put a bag in my ass. All right. And then we went vegan, raw vegan, anything else? We said keto, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's like water fasting. Yeah. Just water only. Water only for how long? Week. Week? Yeah. Yeah. Water fasting. Yeah, just water only.

Water only for how long? Week. Week? Okay. Yeah. My buddy did like 17 days. Dude, I think people are really getting out of control with this whole fasting thing. They think it has so many great results, but I'm like it really only does, scientifically speaking, if you've done it for a few days.

Right. Like the 12-hour fast, the 14-hour fast, you're not doing a whole bunch. I think 72 is like kind of the real minimum. When you start breaking into it, yeah. And people are thinking that they're getting all the anti-aging effects off just to, you know. You're just getting a sore stomach.

Yeah, it's really it. It's like really anything. Okay, so before we move on, of all of these diets, is there any that you thought were like, I'll never do that again because it was just fucking dumb? And is there any of them where you're going to take some principles and you still use them today? Definitely, I think. And then also is there one where you just – you don't do it anymore, but you wish that's the one that you did? That's a good question.

So it was dumb and will never do again. None of them. Okay. You learned something from every one. That's a good question. So was dumb and will never do again? None of them. Okay. Learn something from everyone. That's good. Yeah, learn something from everyone. You take principles from which ones? Yeah, take principles from definitely all of them.

Still, so you still implement a little bit of everything? Yeah, exactly. The enemas too? What's that, the animal diet? The enema. The enema, yeah. Was that a one and done or you've done that a few times no that was a one and done um i think i did a ozone enema after that ozone gas interesting kind of interesting yeah um turns into oxygen oh three gas turns into oxygen once

it hits like your bloodstream or in your body so supposed to give you some more endurance or something a little better healing your ven It kills viruses, really good for viruses and bacteria in your body. Gut health. And wish I was doing, I mean, I would like to get back into just paleo

with some good carb control, but I don't think I can do it. I've been keto now for, again, for a little while. like to get back into just paleo with some good carb control but i don't think i can do it i've been keto now for again for a little while last summer was keto killing it it's been a lot i went to i was so keto bro i went to texas twice just for barbecue i was like i gotta get out of orange county dude i need good meat yeah and you know i just feasted on meat and kid i can tell you right now there is a hidden gem of barbecue around here and it's at bristol farms swear to god the tri-tip and the brisket there is next level what we're on avocado yes dude it's next level next level okay i knew i

came here for a reason yeah it's unbelievable and i I'm a huge brisket and meat type of guy. Personally, for like 10 years, I did a meat diet one time. 85% ground beef every single day for a year. Rarely did I eat vegetables, protein shakes, any of that stuff. It was just meat. I ate three pounds every day for a year. Yeah. I was fucking shredded.

Shredded? It was like the best time of my life as far as like my level of competition. I was an amazing athlete. Everyone thought it was weird, but like I did really well on it. Everyone's worried about fiber. If I was going to the bathroom, I went to the bathroom just fine. Right. They're worried about energy levels If I was going to the bathroom, I went to the bathroom just fine. They're worried about energy levels.

I was just fine. I mean obviously I'm younger, like 25, 26 years old. It's different as you get older and some of those things, your body is like, hey, I need this now. Things are changing. But for the last 10 years, I've probably been eating at max like 150 grams of carbs in a day but most of the time like probably 50 dude and the way you train that's nothing and sometimes i would have 100 yeah like here and there like i wasn't really having a lot of carbs like we're talking though like 300 grams of fat like 300 grams of protein a day yeah high numbers of

protein and fat and then like very very low carbs that. That's basically how I eat too. I tend to eat a lot of veggies and green juices. I just like – I told everyone, earn your carbs. Right. If you want to eat carbs, just earn them. Work out really fucking hard and you can have some carbs. Dude, the way you look, I thought for sure you're going to be a carb guy and like all about it. Right now, I'm seven days in, maybe eight now, and it's the first time in my life I've held on this long to a high-carb, low-fat diet. Wow.

I just started it. Yeah. Usually about two days in, I'm like, I'm fat. I look like shit. I fucking hate it, and I'm over it. I feel like my body doesn't like carbs. I feel like I can't get super lean. And even right now, I'm still not as lean as I'd like to be when I'm on a higher-fat diet, but my energy levels are fucking retarded.

Really? And it's the first time I've actually made it this long. So now I'm going to try to go at least a whole month and try to tweak some numbers at the end and see if I can get super lean on it also. That's like the total opposite of everybody else in the world. They're like, I'm seven days into my diet and it's high carb. It's really, I'm holding on to everybody else the opposite.

I get excited about it. It's like, all right, I'm trying something new, you know, and I, and I'm known for like the carb cycling, which is, you know, there's high, the high days and low days. And, and, and I've, and I've definitely gone through it, but to actually sit and just have a high carb diet period I've never done. So it is something I'm very interested in. And I love hearing other people's perspective on all these diets. Yeah, I'm just, you know, carb cycling is amazing. You know, I've helped some people who have metabolic shutdown. You know, they got damage or whatever.

They've been competing and just killing themselves. So, you know, getting that metabolism back online. And also I think that just gives you a lot of mindfulness, you know, when you're carb cycling, you're putting more intention and thought into what you're doing. It's a great habit. If you can carb cycle for 21 days straight for the rest, you know, for a good amount of time anyway, unless you go off the deep end, you're just going to naturally start to do that. You're naturally going to start to look at your food and think about it and do a little quick math.

So it's a really good practice for sure. I've never done it. I would love to try that. I've never done it. And, you know, I kind of have this – I guess I call it like the alpha wolf diet. So the alpha wolf is – This is your new thing. Yeah.

Okay. I like this. Alpha wolf. You want to put it together? Dude, I'm fucking down. This actually sounds new thing. Yeah. Okay. I like this. Alpha wolf. You want to put it together? You want to put it together? Dude, I'm fucking down. This actually sounds amazing. Let's hear it.

Let's hear it. Alpha wolf diet. The alpha is the only one who eats greens. The alpha wolf eats first and he eats the organs of the herbivores. Yep. And what is in the stomach, the kidney, the liver, predigested greens, juice, green juice. So they're nuts, berries, seeds, greens. That's it, right?

He eats the fatty tissue, the liver, the kidneys, the stomach, and he leaves all the lean protein for everybody else. That's why he's the biggest. That's why he's the smartest. That's why he's the apex, spleen, the stomach, and he leaves all the lean protein for everybody else. That's why he's the biggest. That's why he's the smartest. That's why he's the apex, right? My friend Ronnie Teasdale is all fucking about this. Yeah? He, for like ever, only ate organs. Dude, I can't do that.

I mean, I love liver. I love liver, but just getting into some of that gnarlier stuff. I've watched him eat like bull testicles. Like just gnarly shit. Where's he at? Let's go try him. He's actually – he's super weird now. When you get the camera going for the podcast, let's go eat some bull nuts. Yeah, dude.

He's been all about this. Now he's into like sun for – he like sits in the sun now. Yes. For energy. He's – Sun bathing. Sun gazing. Sun gazing, yeah yeah and he's sun bathing sun gazing sun gazing but he's really into all that with his eyes right yep yeah soaking the your palms or your hands is actually where you absorb the most vitamin d interesting palms your hands that's why when

people put on the sunscreen they're really blocking that off they gotta wash that off so you can still soak it up i want to come back to that question. Vitamin Dizzle and the Hizzle. About the sunscreen. All right. So where were we? Keto diet plus high greens basically. Well, the alpha. Alpha Wolf diet. Alpha Wolf diet.

Okay. So this is what you're messing with now. This is what I want to get into. This is what I want to create. Are you eating the organ meat? I feel like we can just do desiccated organ meat capsules. Okay. If you don't mind taking 20, 30 capsules a day

to get some good liver, kidneys, spleen. I used to take those back in the day. Those are, remember? Long time ago. The animal brand,

animal pack brand. That was the ones I used to take. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're a big believer in that stuff. Absolutely. I mean, if it's good enough

for the alpha wolf, it's got to be good enough for us. I am very surprised that we're not eating more of these organs. And they're hard to get, oddly enough, too. Highest amino acid ratio, the irons, the Bs, all that stuff. Drinking a lot of energy drinks. We're all just trying to get that B vitamin that's in the organs. Yeah, it's crazy.

Yeah. All right. So we go from – well, actually, before we move on to that and this other thing I really want to get super into, which is your meditation stuff. But what's the big take-homes for everybody who don't want to go through all these diets? Like what do you feel like – you did all these diets. Here's what I have to say about it. Here's what you should be moving on with. Here's what I felt the best on. Just a couple of cliff notes for him. You know, it's, it's, it's really all about mindset. A lot of times when I'm going to do a fast or a cleanse or a super strict diet, um, I do it to raise my pain threshold to,

um, realign how I think about food. And, uh, you know, when you take everything away, then the simplest things can seem so sweet and, and, and so rewarding. And you can have so much gratitude, like, Oh, grass fed hamburger, buddy. It might as well be like a pecan pie at that moment, you know? So sometimes if I get off the deep end or I'm just getting, you know, uh, you know, too, too weird, too obsessive or, or not, not happy. Uh, I'll just do something really strict and I, and I do it not for the per not, you know, people are like, Oh, why are you doing that? You know, it's crazy. I'm like, I just want to reset my mentality, my thought process, and my reward ratio perception. I like that.

Yeah, and it does work. You just got to go in with the right mindset. You know, you're doing it for a greater good, and it's kind of to get yourself back on the path. Like right now, being into this carb stuff right now, I'm like dying for brisket. Right. And I can't have it. It's way too much fat. Yeah. Yeah, like I'm right now being into this carb stuff right now. I'm like dying for brisket and I can't have it. It's way too much fat. Yeah. Like, yeah.

Like stuff like that. I mean, it sounds kind of like that burger you're talking about. I'm like lean meats, right? For sure. Lean meats are like, uh, uh, for sure. I, I find a lot of benefit with blood type dieting, whether you're doing carb cycling, whether you're doing keto, whether you're doing paleo, if you're getting about 70, 80%

of stuff that's recommended for your blood type, I see major changes in people's diet. That is something I've never gotten into. Oh, dude, it's great. So like... I'm type O. Yeah, me too. I'm that rare one.

Of course you are. O negative? Yep. Yeah, me too. O negative is the first ever blood type. All human beings were O negative. We were hunter-gatherers. So for millions of years, our ancestors have been eating game and things they could pull out of the ground, pick off a tree, or kill with their bare hands and eat.

So we're best on paleo-ish. Best on paleo-ish. Best on paleo. And we're most susceptible to having our bodies go haywire with standard American diet, you know, with carbs, grains, processed sugars and all that kind of stuff, colors, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So you take somebody that, you know, CrossFit athlete, competitive bodybuilder or whatever, and you get them full of a bunch of red meat and they're sluggish. They're breaking out. They're tired from it and they're not getting great pumps. They're falling flat. And you find that turkey, Cornish hen, conch, snail, rabbit, like there's all these other crazy proteins that are like way better for them. And you just see their mood change. So I had a guy who was a, he's a triathlete and he's like, dude, I, you know, I swim five miles on Monday.

I bike a hundred miles on Tuesday. I run 26 on Wednesday and then I do it all over again. I've never had a six pack. And all I did was switch his food to blood type specific. And within seven days he had a six pack. So it was just inflammation based on, you know on improper gut digestion of what he was actually eating. It was just a little bit of bloating, a little bit of inflammation off-gassing. When your enzymes don't match up to what you're eating and your digestive tract isn't doing what it needs to do,

a lot of stuff off-gases like dairy, peanut butter, and they actually create chemicals, cephalotoxins, excitotoxins, that can fuck up your brain. So that gas actually turns into chemical, and it uses similar neural pathways. A lot of people that are really addicted, just like the peanut butter guys, like, I can't stay out of the peanut butter. So peanut butter is held in silos.

It has a lot of mold. That mold, when it gets in your body and off gases, it gives you an ADD symptom. You actually want to get dumb dumb and that's why people usually go to it at night they don't learn a lot like eating peanut butter at their workstation and the day they get home and they're like i don't know why i just want peanut butter i just want ice cream ice cream the uh because it's past i fucking love peanut butter at night yeah does your look your you want the a head change.

That's interesting. Yeah. It's the reward thing. Milk, dairy, because it's pasteurized, the enzymes are dead. Probiotics, you know, all those good cultures that are supposed to be there are not there. It off gases and it uses the same neuropathways as morphine. It mimics morphine. The gas that dairy pasteurized inorganic bloody nipple cow type of dairy gives you like a morphine high. That's why drink some warm milk before bed. Interesting.

It gets you sleepy. So there's so much of that in our food today that we don't know. And you don't really know until you take it all out. Yes. That's like a big thing until you take it all out. Yes. And add one thing. You know, add one thing. The 30-day cleanse of all the bad shit is like necessary for everybody. Yeah. I think everyone should just go meat and vegetables for fucking 30 days.

Totally. Start adding things in. Absolutely. I talk about that all the time. So it sounds like we both came to the same answer on the diet stuff. I like it. So you start getting into like more of these you know natural things yeah you start moving into this meditation stuff yeah which is similar

to the same effects as dmt oh totally the same right so let's do let's let's background dmt real quick people don't know what dmt is dimethyltryptamine, commonly heard about or known about because of the ayahuasca, which is a religious practice of the Santo Daime religion. I think they're like Ecuador, South America, Peru. Which I think is being abused now at this point. For sure. People aren't – they're not there for the right reasons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Their life's fucked up and they're like – they think they're going to get a message that's going to change everything.

And it's like, just more looking outside of ourselves to fix what's within. Yeah. And, you know, God bless them. Some people that they've had beneficial results and that's great. And,

you know, it's, but it's, that's, it's not for me. I, I, after all my messing up all my, you know, legal trouble and family, can you imagine?

You can only imagine my poor mom. I've got a sister, dude. I mean, imagine what I put them through with all this almost dying and goose stabbing people in jail. Like, Holy, what is wrong with you? So I have exhausted my opportunities and options to take anything and put it in me. Mushrooms, right? They're doing stuff with mushrooms.

They're doing stuff with ketamine for depression. Like their science has seen some really good results with a lot of these drugs and it's helping some people. But for me, I have to look for completely natural and completely endogenous ways to get what I need, whether it's spiritual or physical or mental. I would love to take some Adderall, dude. That stuff makes me – I'm so ADD.

That stuff makes me laser focused. But at what cost? Just I don't want to pay the price. Yeah, before you know it. I'm like – It's the next thing. Hey, Beth. Yeah, dude.

So what made you stumble onto this particular way of breathing? And is it, how similar is it to Wim Hof? So Wim Hof is really making it popular, which is great. People are learning a lot about it. For me, Wim Hof is very much about the biology, really controlling your biology, your chemicals, your pain, and mine are much more transformative. So I really want spirit to do work. I don't want to be responsible. I don't want some, I don't want people to be mindful. I want them to get mindless.

I want them to let go completely, not to be at the driver's wheel, not to be focusing on harnessing their own power. I want them to be fueled and empowered by something outside of them that's bigger than them. And it's really, really neat. So it's called Breathworks. The company is at Breathworks Connection. And these are meditations that i taught in rehabs for years and it's it's wild the the stories are are ridiculous i mean people are going to violent convulsions that they don't remember and they don't even know about afterwards um people weep people burst into uncontrollable laughter, turn into babies rolling around side to side, goo goo ga ga stuff. All in the same practice? All in the same practice.

Feelings of rebirth, feelings of death, deceased loved ones coming through to people, animals that people once loved and lost, you know, and they, they're like, dude, you don't understand like his whiskers. He was really here. Like my Jojo, you know what I mean? Like the stories go on and on and on. There's, there's no limit to what can happen for people, but that's why it's so cool because it's, it's, it's unique for them, you know, and it's not me like, like, yeah, I'm called a healer under the certification of breath works, meditation healer, but it's not me, you know? Um, because if it was me, it wouldn't be that good. It wouldn't be good

enough. It needs to be something bigger than me. So we just breathe dude. And, um, this is something that's helped my, my life, my recovery. It's giving me a, it's given me a gift to be able to give, um, to be a steward of transformation, of renewal, of restoration, of breakthrough, of, of letting go of, of feeling loved and loving yourself for the first time. Maybe, you know, it happens in this meditation. Like I love myself for the first time in my life. What a rad thing to do for somebody. Right. So you just lay back and you breathe in your mouth and out your mouth, but you, you feel your belly first and then your chest.

So it's only takes like 20, 30 minutes and you go. Okay. So he's breathing in his stomach and then channeling it into your chest. The bigger, the more unlocked you can get your stomach muscles, your diaphragm to let go. And then roll into your chest? Yeah, yeah. So big belly, roll into a big chest, and then breathe out all the air. Yeah, all the air.

And just keep doing that. Just keep doing that. And you can start kind of slow and feel it out. And with your eyes closed, laying down, five minutes in, you'll start to feel like, oh, I'm starting to feel something. Then you can start pushing it. Then you can start pushing it. About 15 minutes in, you're full sprint breathing, full out like a lion is chasing you and your life depends on it. Naturally or are you just doing it on purpose? On purpose.

Okay. Yeah. You should want to push yourself. Are you still doing the roll with your chest? Uh-huh. Yep. Yep. And then when we lead the meditations, maybe we'll do like a breath hold sometimes.

And I also will incorporate a primal scream. I'll just have everybody scream to the tops of their lungs. I'll maybe put a sound to whatever their emotion they're feeling. Maybe they're feeling held back. Maybe they're feeling resistance. Maybe they're feeling pain. Maybe they're feeling fear. Maybe they're feeling bored. They don't even know what they're doing there. Whatever you're feeling, make the biggest noise that would represent that feeling. Just let that out and we'll go into some more. And we do a really big breath hold at the end. I got four and a half minutes. Once my buddy Robbie, who's a boxer over here, American gym, he hit five and a half minutes. So what you're doing is you're hyper oxygenating your bloodstream

and that's great for athletes. I do it before every jujitsu tournament. I do that whole thing for 20 minutes, dude. And when I walk on the mat, it's freaking surreal. It's like everything is moving in slow, slow motion. Uh, and it totally changed the way I competed because I competed for years before I started this meditation and I've been competing and winning, uh, last year, Pan Ams and the worlds with this meditation and it completely changed everything. But, um, you know, is there a video or anything that people can see you doing this or you can, uh, on my Instagram, I, I give instructions of breathworks connection at breathworks connection. But, um, I'm actually about to, uh, release a video probably this week that is going to showcase what it really looks like

and what goes on. But as far as an instructional video, I've, I've yet to make that, but I probably will because so many of your people are going to hit me up and want to know that I'm going to have to. Yeah, I hope. Yeah. You know, uh, definitely will be interested because it's powerful dude. And what, how on a, on a a scientific level what happens is when you create an absence of carbon dioxide in your bloodstream complete absence uh your your hypothalamus your pituitary gland releases dmt um and there's science that you can read about this and dmt is like they call it spirit molecule right dimethyethyltryptamine. And it's in plants. It's like, it's everywhere.

And I was tripping out the other day because if it's, if in order to get DMT, you have to create an absence of carbon dioxide. And then you think about like the new world order, Knights Templar, the enlightened ones, the Illuminati, right? The ones that hold the secret, the ones that hold the connection, the clear connection to God,

to have divine wisdom and know things beyond things that are known. You know what I mean? And if you get this download, when you get DMT, when you get that clarity, what about like a thousand years ago, before there was any factory farms or manufacturing or cars or pollutants or aerosols like were we all running on oxygen and having dmt being released in our

body have we been cut off from dmt because of carbon carbon dioxide interesting like wait a minute yeah at some point Well Plants Yeah I've read studies That we didn't even Used to drink water Like Well plants We just inhaled water From the atmosphere

Because there's so much plants Plants Give out carbon dioxide Yeah No I think they take in They take in Carbon dioxide And give out oxygen

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trannies, man. There might have been a tranny, dude. Wow, so you start stumbling upon this and now you're teaching it to other people. Yeah, yeah. And is this like

the big thing that you're doing at the moment? It's actually... I know you work with a CBD company now. That's like your big thing. But it's something that you like to do on the side.

I actually do it for free every Sunday at Vibes Yoga Studio in Newport Beach. So like 1230 to 1 o'clock – 1230 to 130. I don't charge. I don't want to charge. I want people to get this for free. And it's kind of like my give back. And yeah, Pachamama CBD here in Costa Mesa. This is a really big new undertaking for me.

And it really, it's kind of jacking me up because, you know, hemp extract is amazing. I spent the whole weekend. That's why I'm so hoarse. I was in Oceanside all weekend. And like, granny's coming up to me. I gave it to my husband, the sample you gave me last night. And look, he's walking around today and he doesn't feel any pain. And the announcer from the thing comes over and he's like, dude, I got a migraine, bro.

Like, you know, just help for migraines. Like, yeah, here you go. And then he's like on the microphone. Hey, shout out to Pajamama CBD. Thanks for the migraines gone. You know, like, oh oh we're making an impact so yeah you know helping people and and and having a plant medicine that helps people is so cool and so rewarding but it's also the first time i've been in an office and it's summer and i want to be working out twice a day right and my beach crews are in between

yeah surfing so it's interesting it's uncomfortable and i'm just telling me i hate being in the office it's the worst i try so hard not to be here because as you can see like i have these glass the the fogged glass i can't even really see out and even though the sun is coming in you don't really see the sun yeah and it's a weird it's a trip as i get older not being in the sun is like not okay right like seriously not okay. It's stifling. That's very – When you get on the bike, you get on the boardwalk, you get the fins in your hands or whatever, just on the beach, you're like, oh, it feels so good. Yep.

I miss it. I'm really excited to get outside right now. So we could take everything outside. Looks like it's clearing up. When you consulted Google, what was the – oh, did you see? I just Googled carbon dioxide. Yeah, and plants. So after this breathwork stuff, after all the diets, all these different things that you're into right now, what gets you jazzed at the moment? Yeah, so plants use energy in sunlight

to convert CO2 and water to sugar and oxygen. Oh, okay, you're right, yeah. Yeah, so they give us oxygen. So yeah, maybe we did have all like... Or at least higher. Maybe we were getting a trickle effect of DMT all the time. Maybe we had a clear connection with a higher power, with a divine guide. That is one a divine, you know, guide.

That is one thing that like, I've always, from all the people that I interviewed, especially when I went to Austin in Austin, everyone's like keen on this stuff. They're all like into DMT. And like a lot of them have done like mushrooms and like all these different things.

And I remember going out there to a big thing called paleo FX. And I got to interview all sorts of people. I got to work out at the on a gym and I got to see you know all these people that were in that scene and i was like oh that's that guy who's blah blah blah and um it all came down to like one thing everybody i was talking to was like oh i had this dmt experience or i did this uh or whatever and i'm like well fuck this i want to do something you know like i hadn't done anything before that yeah i did a bunch of mushrooms like whole weekend. You did? Yeah.

Did you like it? It was cool. I felt like I had some artistic visuals in my head. I wasn't looking at the world anything differently, but I'd look at paper and start maybe writing down a workout that I wanted to do for myself. And all of a sudden it just, it came that much easier or the, the creativity of the workout seemed a lot easier. Like sometimes I'll stare at the paper and be like, man, how do I make this cooler?

You know, like owning a gym for five years and making the workouts for five years. I'm the only person who's made them ever. And I have three different programs. So I'm making three workouts a day, three 65 for five years. And I'm trying to make them all fresh, all different. Like I have thousands of people who follow my program online. The last thing I'm trying to make them all fresh, all different.

Like I have thousands of people who follow my program online. The last thing I want is for them to be like, you know what? I've done a workout just like that. Like I don't really feel like I'm getting anything new here. It's like how do you make that? There's anxiety behind – I know that anxiety. Yeah, like how do you make it cool every single time? And I remember I haven't really done it really at all since maybe like once or twice since and uh just a little this morning this is like two

actually you know what i think on the weekend i think i did it before a podcast one time it was like one of my funniest podcasts ever it was so good it was so good i love it um i'm not gonna say which podcast that was that was one of the like two times i did after that weekend, mainly because I probably couldn't get access to it anymore. I didn't trust – you got to be careful. Yeah, you do. You might take a little piece and you're fucking off the hinges. You might take a little piece and you don't feel anything. Yeah.

But you won't know for a few hours. Yeah. So you got to know that. Did you make it – did you eat it or put it in tea? It was a chocolate bar. Yeah. One of the guys there gave it to me. He was like, here, you can try this and let me know what you think.

And I was like, you know what? I understand why people do this. And even people in Silicon Valley who are really successful in different businesses, you find out that they're micro-dosing either mushrooms or LSD or any of these things. Psilocybin, right? Yep, psilocybin. So there is merit in all of it. Sure. For sure. And I is merit in all of it. Sure.

For sure. And I think that it has its purpose. As long as you don't have an addictive personality. As long as they haven't been to jail multiple times, stabbed multiple people, lost millions of dollars, been to six rehabs, and have a nail-biting mom sitting at home rocking back and forth going, I hope he's okay this time. Please don't mess up again.

If you don't have that stuff going on, do it. I'm like, please do it. I want to hang out with people that are doing it. I want to be around them. Just because I ruined my chances to do it doesn't mean other people shouldn't. Well, sometimes the way people speak to you, it kind of like they're giving you all of the benefits without you even doing it. Absolutely. I've had people speak to me in such a way where I'm like,

dude, I feel like I was high just talking to you. There's a collective consciousness. There's a community that can happen to you. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. So I think that's definitely a possibility.

For sure. As long as, but there's sometimes, they're too weird sometimes too. You know, where you're like, this guy needs to shut the fuck up. Yeah.

Then you're babysitting. He's weird. I don't like it. You know what I mean? And there's that too. But that could be because they're on drugs currently. Right. So you have to be careful.

Probably. So the drugs can turn on you, right? They can backfire. There is a risk to that, and it's for the person to decide. But what's more cool? Like what's harder? What's more challenging to be like mushroom DMT high, to be like, I love you, man, drunk, but not on anything.

You know, when you just like feel the best, you're like super engaged. Actually, that's one of the things that really drew me to you is that you're very engaged with your people, like with your friends at the gym. You really connect with people. And I actually thought you might have been in recovery just because for you guys that don't know, I was just scrolling on Instagram and I saw Ryan and I was like,

oh my gosh, I want to be friends with this guy. What's he made of? Jesus. If I could just know him for like a month, I'd probably be way buffered. Just like if I was even 10 yards away from him, I'd probably get gains. Jesus. And then I saw him at the gym like literally a week later. I'm like, rad.

And I was watching you talk to people. I'm like, you're busy. You got your gym. You got your phone. You're boom, boom. You're doing your workout. But when people are talking to you, you really lock in. And that's a really special quality, dude. That that's magic and a lot of people have to take something

to get there to be that to be engaged and interested and open-hearted and stuff and that's what one of the things that really attracted me to you and i'm like why i'm stoked to be hanging out i know some people get a little intimidated by it because i'm like very direct and i'm like very engaged and it's just like this guy's i don't know is this guy on mushrooms like well like some of my employees and stuff you know i'll hire them like we'll have a conversation and i can just tell from the conversation like i don't sometimes sometimes i don't need to i don't need to watch a coach coach sometimes i don't need to know what your uh are. I'm like, I can just talk to somebody and I just know. And they're like, well, are you sure?

Or is there anything else? And I'm like, no, no, no, I know. I already know. I can see straight through everything. And it's like one quality I've always had since I was younger. Nice. So you think you were born with that then? Yeah, it's a very interesting quality.

I can also pick up on – I can read people really well. I can like look at them and like just the clothes they're wearing, the watch they have on, like there's different things where I'm like, Oh, okay. Rich girlfriend. Like when I was,

uh, but, um, when I was a personal trainer, they'd be like, how much is it? And I would just do a quick up and down and I would just say the number, the price.

Yep. And I had some people that it was that I charged them more than others. I mean I watched them roll up in a Bentley or they came in and they just had like some very discreet like Prada shoes on. Like you wouldn't just have Prada shoes on. You know what I mean? Like I don't care if you have Billabong and everything else on. Yeah.

If you're just casually wearing a pair of $500 shoes like – And even not the shoes, sometimes you can tell that this person wants more than just to be personal trained with you. They want to be more like you and they're willing to pay more for that.

Or just body language in general. Even if they're not rich, they're willing to pay what a rich guy would pay to absorb what you have above and beyond just fitness. They want a friend. They want a relationship.

So I get that. I feel like you get a little bit more of a swagger as you get older too like when you start making more money like how old are you i'm 32 okay but i'll be 33 in september which is in like two months nice but i noticed that like october oh yeah 16th so you're a scorpio i'm 23rd i'm libra oh libra me too libra oh nice but i do notice as people make more money, they're like – there's like a little bit more of like a – just like a presence that's like, I don't give a fuck.

Yeah. It's like, I don't give a fuck. You know what I mean? I can tell. If you don't have a give a fuck attitude, I'm like, this shit's $200 an hour, bro. Yeah. Yeah.

And then the kid who comes in, he's like, man, I really want to learn how to do CrossFit and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, all right, it's $75. Yeah. That's right kid who comes in, he's like, man, I really want to learn how to do CrossFit. And blah, blah, blah. I'm like, all right, 75 bucks. Yeah. That's right. Sliding scale, man. At the time, before I owned a gym, that was something I used to pride myself in.

Because somebody would be like, how did you get $200 a session? I'm like, dude, I just knew. I thought I was 150. I thought I was a champ, dude. Yeah, 200 was the most I've ever gotten. I get 150, but everybody that I attracted, they wanted to work out with me. They didn't want me to train. They wanted me to work out

side by side. So I was getting 150 bucks. I'd be training three times a day. That was living the dream. Yeah, that is pretty cool. After a while, they'll get old for me. Oh, yeah. I'm sure. A lot of calories. I was 210 pounds and 6% body fat. I was on the cover iron that's when i got

the iron man magazine i was doing three did you know about the iron no i mean so like people talk about like fame or what was it like for this what was it like for that like honestly being on the cover of iron man bodybuilding magazine dude and having a seven page spread shredded and vascular and yoked that's a dream come true for me you know i ended up getting in like muscle and fitness europe arnold was on the cover um and some other smaller magazines but but you know iron man was the that was the a big deal for me um gracie magazine for jujitsu tournaments i did like that that was really cool stuff.

I'd like to get on a cover of a big one. Dude, come on. You don't have covers? I've been in a shit ton of magazines, just not covers. Yeah. You need to get a couple of these big ones. Well, I've had actually – I have a small photo on some covers. Oh, okay. Where it's like if you go to this page, you'll see Ryan Fisher and Bobo Bond.

There's a photo of me on the front, but I'm not like the cover, cover. We can make that. Make a couple calls. Yeah, I would love that. I think that would be rad. Yeah. You deserve it. It's really for my mom more than anything else.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Mama's boy. My mom is like my biggest fan. She'll probably be on and she'll be commenting to everybody for the podcast and stuff. She's insane. She's like – she's, yeah, the greatest fan times a thousand. Nice. And I have a bunch of brothers yeah, the greatest fan times 1,000. Nice.

And I have a bunch of brothers and sisters too. Really? So, yeah. There's five of us grew up in the same house and then I have three other sisters on my dad's side. Yeah. I actually never met my dad until I was 24. Wow. Found out who he was when I was 18.

Wow. Yeah. My dad, I found out, died when I was 24. Ooh. Isn't that interesting? Interesting. Yeah. We have a super serious, crazy dynamic.

Didn't know anything about our dads until 24. Yeah. Single mom. Did you get to have a stepdad? I did have a few. Later or a few? I don't know what's worse, none or a few. Probably would have been better to have none.

Oh my God. Until I got older. Like my – except that I have now is Rat. Yeah. But I didn't have him. He wasn't around forever. So – I had a grand – like a pseudo-grandpa.

I probably could have done without. Yeah. Yeah. Pseudo-grandpa? Yeah. That's interesting. Like somebody – my grandma was dating and he was really cool and like And I got a couple months of seeing what a cool dude was like. Oh, nice.

It doesn't take much. People don't realize how much you miss by not having that. It's a huge deal, dude. Like the father-son thing. I didn't know what the fuck that was. I didn't get to do any of that. I never went out and did manly shit or learned how to fucking fix anything. There were so many things I missed out on that you don't realize until you get older and you're like why am i this

way like you know why do i feel closer to chicks most of the time because like because i grew up with my mom right that's why that's why i can't lose my temper that's why i gotta do jiu-jitsu because when i lose my temper i don't get mad like a guy i get mad like a girl in a dude's body. I go raving bitch mode, dude. It's just weird. So, all right. Well, after all these things, now you're into the breath work. Now you're into your thing on the CBD company currently.

What do you see? What do you have for the future kind of going on? Do you still have some of those ideas that you had back in the day like the races and all that stuff yeah you know i mean the the rehabilitation industry is is sadly very very uh hurting right now a lot of people are not getting coverage from insurance or whatever and you know i kind of have a little idea for maybe a kickstarter or go fund me to put this kind of into rotation. All I'd need is like a van and a bunch of equipment and go out there. And it's, you know, I call them Jesus in the streets and a freak in the gym or militarized monks, selfless savages. So fitness is cool, right? It's great. It's great. But there's – besides conditioning your body, you got to sharpen your mind.

You got to feed your spirit, right? I think that's like my threefold approach to life that's really got me in the hands of something great, feeling today a part of something really good. And if I was young, I would be like, you know what? Fuck this guy. Right, yeah. But as you get older, once you hit like 30, I feel like, hey, there's a lot

of these mind things, there's a lot of these like life lessons that need to be learned, need to reflect on some things, you need to work on yourself and blah, blah, blah, but I think you just

have to get to that age demographic before it kicks in. Because I mean, we look back now, I mean, there's a fucking ton of things I wish I would've done differently.

I'm sure there's a ton of things you wish you did differently. And it's like, you don't know. But I think if we were young and guys with muscles told us, we look back now. I mean there's a fucking ton of things I wish I would have done differently. I'm sure there's a ton of things you wish you did differently. And it's like – But I think if we were young and guys with muscles told us, we would have listened. Yeah, maybe. Probably a lot more. Yeah. I mean fuck.

I didn't even have a – cell phones didn't exist when I was a kid. Yeah. Same for you. Yeah. I think like when I was in high school, maybe like ninth grade, like the fucking walkie-talkie Nextel came out. Yeah, I had one of those. Yeah.

Bleep, bleep. Or I mean like a Razor flip-flop was the coolest thing in the world and you took a photo and it looked like fucking – Texted. It was just like – One, two, three, four, five, six. You couldn't even make out the photo. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like I have old photos. I'm like I can't even fucking – I can't do anything with this. It's a blur. It's awful. But yeah, like those – I hear you though i hear you listening to someone like us now as a younger person it might be different well shit man i mean i've had supermodel girlfriends and i've been on the number one tv shows and i've been a top recording artist i've had lamborghinis pin houses and uh you know did you drive drive a Lamborghini? Yeah, dude. Do you miss that at all?

No. My girlfriend has a Maserati and a Range Rover SVR, so I went from zero to hero pretty quick. What was that feeling, though, of like you drive around and you finally get the car, right, and you're driving around in it? Is it as fulfilling as people might think? No, dude. I didn't even ever really feel like it was mine. Like you, that's my whole message, man. Like you can have everything in the world on the outside and none of it matters if the inside isn't right. You know what the meat and potatoes of your life, you can't survive on broth, right? Like icing on the cake,

or you can broth fast for like a week. You know, you gotta, you gotta have the cake. Like Lamborghini is icing here. Here. Lamborghini is icing. Hot girlfriend's icing.

Great jobs. I see like you really get the hot fucking girlfriend for sure. It goes away. Oh, it'll hurt you more than it helps. My hottest girlfriends. I'm like, I,

I, I really just want a seven it's cool as fuck i'll take a five with tiny boobs and a huge butt yeah then uh you know all that stuff is cool but it none of it none of it fixed me and i'm an athlete mentality dude i'm gonna do to do more, expect more. That's kind of why I don't act anymore. Because when I go to auditions and I put my winner's mentality, my motivation behind it, and I don't get it, I'm mad. Especially because I know I was better or if I was better or if they lied to me and they said they were going to go for a brunette. It's a big movie and I'm all getting getting excited. Like it's a couple hundred grand, like cool.

And then I don't get it because they went with a blonde. Like why'd they lie to me? Like if they – like when you did your competition and they weren't counting your reps and you were freaking winning. It's time for someone to die. My mind kind of switched from artistic, creative, and entertainment to athlete, work harder, smarter, get the success. You know, I'd rather be, um, of that mentality now, but all of that stuff never made me happy. It, I'd only made things worse. And I've been the happiest in my life with nothing, but like a good relationship with my mom, you know, knowing that I'm not lying to anybody. I don't owe anybody anything.

Nobody owes me anything. Everybody's just doing the best they can. And if I just had a beach cruiser, you know, and a jug of water, I'm happy, you know? Like,

wow, this is everything. This is really everything. So. Do you feel like you attracted the wrong people having fucking Lamborghinis and weird shit like that? Or do you feel like. No, you know –

What about women? Did you get just the worst girls because of it? I've always only got the worst girls, dude. Yeah. It sucks. And I can't figure it out and I don't really probably need to. But I either get just the straight want to do me because I'm hot or because I was who I was, um, or like a bragging right or something or piss off a boyfriend or, you know what I mean?

Like, so like that or, um, you know, any of the ones that I want always probably always like diss me, like, like I think I'm too cool or they think that I think I'm going to be too cool or like have an ego. I don't know. I've still haven't figured out the chick thing. Yeah. Kind of, uh, kind of over it, but Sam, Sam, I think I'm just a selfish fucking guy though. I like to, whenever I get time, like, I mean, obviously I have a lot going on and we're

doing this podcast on a Monday and tomorrow I'm, I'm, I'm racing my bike and that's like, that's what I want to do with my day with the extra time that I get. I get a little more time. I want to go travel somewhere I've never been. I want to go alone. I don't want anybody to go. I don't want you to fuck up my trip. You know what I mean?

Because you will. You know what I mean? Girls fuck up trips. It's part of what they do. I'll go with you, bro. Let me know where we're going. I'm going to Portugal and Spain in a couple weeks. Dope.

Surf trip. I'm going to Miami this weekend. Portugal and Spain in a couple weeks. August 19th, I'm going to Portugal and Spain in like a couple weeks Surf trip I'm going to Miami this weekend Portugal and Spain in a couple weeks August 19th I'm leaving I'm going to Madison, Wisconsin for the CrossFit Games On Wednesday so two days from now You're doing like an appearance there Podcasting the whole time

But this podcast is going to go up tomorrow Really? Taco Tuesday? Keto Taco Tuesday? What about the Keto Burrito? Keto Burrito. Keto Cheetos and Keto Fritos. That's actually

a bomb ass idea. Right? Dude. Keto Cubes. I make Keto Cubes in the ice tray. I saw a Keto Ice Cream in Whole Foods recently

and it was fucking legit. It was legit? You look at the ingredients it was super legit. That stuff's garbage You look at the ingredients, it was super legit. That stuff's garbage. Dude, it had like 22 grams of fat, like one gram of sugar maybe. Yeah. Had some protein in it.

At Whole Foods. Yep, and it had like three grams of carbs. I don't know what it was called. Fuck. I can't remember what it was called. It was expensive. I make my own ice cream. I make, dude, I get a bottle of Remy, you know, that's my, to keep it from freezing.

I get organic heavy cream, egg yolks, uh, put a little like bomb, uh, like chia seed and, uh, and, and, and flax fiber in there for the bulking agent in my Vitamix. So it whips up, it's not grainy at all. And just kind of like erythritol, stevia monk fruit, and just a shot of booze to a pretty good amount. Keeps it from freezing. I love that ice cream, dude. Interesting. I love making my own ice cream.

So we're not considering these booze as breaking any of your... No. It's like drinking a kombucha. It's like using mouthwash. There's a little bit in there. Oh, okay. It's a very, very, very tiny amount. Okay, right on.

Yeah, people trip out on that with the CBD, too, because there's a trace amount of THC. In the full spectrum. In the full spectrum. Which is the one that you want. Yeah, the trip out on that with the CBD too because there's a trace amount of THC. In the full spectrum. In the full spectrum. Which is the one that you want. Yeah, the one that works. Because as they strip it down, you lose the quality. The entourage effect. Yeah.

I've had several CBD people on the podcast as well. Yeah. All right, so after all these lessons too and all the things that you've gone through, what are some of the other take-homes that we can take home from Jeremy Jackson that are big things that you'd be so bummed if they ended this podcast and they didn't know this about you or some of the things that you've learned? Obviously, money, clothes, and hoes. You like that?

Yeah. He texted me last night, and I was like, what are you going to talk about? And he's like, well, you know, we can talk about this and this and this. It's basically money, clothes, and hoes. It doesn't buy you happiness. I didn't get the chance to respond. I think I like fell asleep or something after that. But I was like, fuck, that was funny.

Don't worry about it. Yeah. Can't take it with you, bro. Listen, I mean, there's a zero chance of survival in this life. We're all passengers on the same ship that's destined to crash and with no survivors, you know, like let's enjoy it, man. Let's, um, let's help each other. Let's support each other. You know, the basket of crabs theory, right? You know about this and fish crab fishermen go fishing and they, they put the crabs in a bucket and none

of the crabs ever escaped. They don't need to put a lid on it because every time one of the crabs gets close to the top, another one's right there to pull them down. So nobody gets out of the bucket. So be the guy that if you're out of the bucket reaches a hand down like you're doing with chalk. And let's just enjoy our time. Like if you're in an airplane and it's going to crash land, it's going to crash and you're just going to die for sure. It's like into the Andes or something. You're flying with no engines and you know, you're going to die. You want to freak out, you know, spend the last two minutes of your life freaking out and like being all stressed and I'm fat or I'm too skinny or,

you know, like nobody loves me or, or are you going to like help somebody? Maybe that's freaking out, calm them down. Maybe you're just going to like help somebody maybe that's freaking out? Calm them down. Maybe you're just going to like say some prayer or like just enjoy the memories of the cool things, the legacy you're going to leave behind or what you did. Begin with the end in mind kind of thing. What are they going to say about you at your funeral? What do you want them to say? I fucking think about that a lot, man.

It's weird. It's not about like what they're going to say at my funeral. I want like my fucking tombstone to be like accomplished a fucking book. Like, yeah, I want to have climbed every mountain. I want to have done every like physical task. I want to have like, yeah, I mean, fuck, I do it now. I'm trying to do everything, you know, and have like, I just, yeah, I mean, fuck I, I do it now. I'm trying to do everything, you know? And I like, I don't ever want an experience to have happened on this earth that I wasn't a part of. And it's a big thing that I tried to tell all my people. And I feel like everyone follows me for CrossFit and everyone follows me for, you know, he's the guy who has abs

and stuff. And yeah, fitness is a humongous part of my life and I always want it to be, but I think people are just getting so, they're just getting too wrapped up in like getting a six pack and being in the gym. And it's like, yeah, please get that and please accomplish that goal. But don't make it the only thing that matters. Like don't be in the gym so much for like, you never went surfing. Like you never went outside and like got on a paddleboard like you never like went and hiked a mountain and felt what it was like to be in the middle of nowhere and just hear nothing right and like do like other stuff you know what i mean i just get bummed on that yeah for sure is there things like that that you want to accomplish like well i mean i just

want to be in the moment dude as much as possible and I want to get out of my own way. I want to die to myself as much as possible. You know, I feel like self or, um, social constructs or, or, or what other people's perception has, has led me astray, um, enough times to, to not let it happen anymore and to be in that moment. Um, and really just enjoy every day like it's the last one and not be held back, you know, by my own limitations is like the biggest thing. And really what I'm passionate about and what I think other people, you know, could take away from this is aligning themselves with people who have done it before them, you know. Like that's why you're such a dope leader because, dope leader because all these people want your physique, right?

And most of them aren't really willing to do what it takes to get it. But it's guys like you and the type of guy that I want to be. Russell Brand is really good. Do you follow him at all? Yeah, he's good. Dude, he's rad. The guys that have it, that are bringing authenticity and the human aspect to it because it is the journey. It's not the destination.

Even if they get your abs, if they thought that they had your midsection, which you're genetically gifted with the ridiculous midsection, compound, but you got that long torso. Dude, it's just freaky. It's dope. Some people just have. They are born with different abs. Right. You know what I mean?

Right. I got like – mine don't work work i've seen people who are shredded and they just have like tiny they just have tiny like i just naturally have giant fucking abs yeah mine are tiny yeah but it's the way that i choose to expose them to like the way that i've lifted over the years and yeah yeah i tell people all the time you want big abs you gotta lift fucking big weights i love the way you train too um and train too and that you share it with people and that you're real. So aligning themselves with people like you who can remind them that it's the journey, not the destination, and to enjoy the moments and to get out and live life. And that if they ever did achieve having your abs, that it wasn't going to fix all their

problems. They're still wherever you go, there you are, you know, and no matter, uh, you know, so if you're spiritually sick or, or you're still emotionally wounded, if you have the abs, you're not going to keep them, you know, you're going to lose them anyway, or you're going to do unhealthy things to keep them or achieve them. And you're just going to be unhappy with great abs. I've been there plenty of times, dude. Trust me. I think my abs cause a little bit more problems than they do cause good anyway.

Fuck you and your abs. No, but I'll be on vacation with a girl and it's like I have to work out today. You don't have to work out today. I'm like, you don't understand. I make money on being naked on Instagram. People buy my programs because I look a certain way and I want to make sure that I'm going to do the

workout that I'm going to post today so everybody knows that this is what I am doing and it is proof. I'm living proof. They're like, oh my God, if you have to fucking work out, then just go work out. I'm like, see, that's why I'm going on vacation alone. I don't want to be judged. Leave me alone. You're a frigging Olympic athlete.

There's nothing higher than that precedence at that set you know and i love that dude i want to train like that i miss i miss i miss it that work this is the place to be telling you need to come in here on a 4 p.m and just see everybody getting after it it's nuts i know these guys have been for you guys that are listening the guys in this gym have been just throwing weight around nonstop. I mean there's like puking and sweating and hugging. People eating their own puke after they sit around. Yeah.

So that's great. Where can people find you right now? I think that you should make a YouTube channel immediately. Start talking about some of these breathing techniques. Just start going through. Yeah. It doesn't, it doesn't help for me to align myself with others who are blazing trails and being pioneers and not to take their advice.

Yeah. So I'm going to have to get on that, bro. Yeah, for sure. Keep me honest. I can definitely maybe do a breathing seminar and post it and see how it goes.

Yeah. I'd be interested to see if I crawl around like a baby or something weird happens. I'd be interested to teach you and have you do it before you train on something intense and see what it does for you. Because the breath works is amazing for spiritual transformation and for really helping people deal with trauma. I mean, just letting go happens that is, is unmatched with anything else. But, uh, but getting in the right mindset before a competition, whether it's jujitsu or a triathlon, or it doesn't really matter, man, wrestling match. It doesn't really matter when

your, when your oxygen is just totally enriched, when your blood is enriched with oxygen and your mind is, is really clear from it. You don't have to clear your mind. You don't have to like, you just breathe. It's the perfect meditation for athletes. Because it doesn't matter if your body is fidgety or your mind is thinking of a million things. It seems easy as well. As long as you put the work into it.

As long as you push. Yeah. It happens. Interesting. Yeah. I have a race tomorrow. Okay. I'll be interested. Okay. I'll teach you. All right. Cool. Yeah. I have a race tomorrow. Okay. I'll be interested.

Okay. I'll teach you. All right. Cool. So your Instagram is? At Jeremy Jackson Fitness. Jeremy Jackson Fitness. Yeah.

Come on over. Give me some love. Is there any websites or anything like that? Enjoy Pachamama is our CBD website. Okay. We have completely solvent-free, zero-toxin, Colorado organic, single-strain, single-origin hemp that we triple-test. We have 84 patents. So everybody else is either using CO2 or butane or ethanol to extract their CBD, their hemp, their hemp oils. We have a heated air press.

So it's just raw hemp juice, which is really cool. You can check it out, get a discount, hit me up for a discount or whatever. But it's not just like a CBD brand. You were telling me this is one of the top five in the world maybe? Well, yeah. You've got to get the owner of my company in here, Brandon. I told you a little bit about him. Living in his car, he was just, uh, on, uh, entrepreneur magazine or, or whatever. Cause

you know, it went from being broken homeless with no, just barely enough money to feed his dog to run in a multimillion dollar business going public. And, you know, he, he started with vape juice, helping people get off smoking cigarettes, making vape juice, you know, not kiddie stuff like, you know, uh, candy flavors stuff like candy flavors and stuff like that, unicorn poop. Like good, like burnt brown sugar, tobacco, vanilla, like campfire, like smoky s'mores, like cool, like grown-up flavors. Yeah, manly shit. And he did really well with that and he employs a lot of people, helped a lot of people get their life on track. And he's definitely one of us. He's he's a leader he's a altruistic guy um and we're tied in with some charities too but i was his personal trainer and i was his

his private chef so i i didn't mention it but i do a lot of i did a lot of private chef work um i took him through vegan keto paleo all that kind of stuff. I got him from two 30 down to like one 90 now, you know, and he injured his ankle. We did legs and he's like, I'm going to go play basketball. I'm like, dude, don't go play. We just did legs, you know? And he did anyway. So he rolled his ankle and he tried some CBD cream that I gave him. Uh, and it helped his ankle a lot. So he's like, dude, I'm gonna take 40 million and just pump it in and make the world's best CBD company. I really like it. $40 million?

He had $40 million just sitting around? Oh, dude. I mean, we did a reverse merger and went public. He's the first vape juice company to ever go public. So that was a really big deal. He turned down a lot of money from Big Tobacco. They wanted to buy him out. I remember you telling me that story.

Because he's so big in the vape space, he could really put a lot of those connections, assets, and tools into the hemp side. I'm excited about that. I think it's on brand. Plant medicine, natural cures. Am I correct

when I say he's one of the top five in the world right now? For the hemp, we just came out. We will be. We did a million dollars in sales in our first four days. Yeah, that's nuts. Yeah. Yeah, so it's a huge company. Yeah. There's just so many CBD companies, and I'm just like, all right,

at least tell people how big yours is. This is big stuff. Yeah, yeah. And we're definitely looking to align ourselves with – you know, we really want to support rock climbers. Specifically, you know, we want to um support rock climbers specifically you know we want to get we want to get in with adventurers or rock climbers um you know big hikers guys that are doing excursions and expeditions that's what i'm all about yeah dude i did my first mountaineering

route in mount hood and i'm not made it to the top nice well we're pachamama you know goddess of mother earth it's the with the peak in per, right? Yeah. Yeah, from the Incan tribe. So we're all about that. I haven't been there yet, but that's on my list. I'll fund a camera, dude. Let's do a documentary. I'm in. Okay.

100%. We'll just breathe. 100%. I've never climbed a mountain in my life. I'll just do the breath works like Wim Hof did. Yeah. You can climb. You'll be fine.

Just walking. Extended periods of walking. I feel like fasting for 16 days would be harder. You know Jason Momoa? I do not. He's the Aquaman. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

He's a big rock climber. He was on Baywatch with me. Really? Yeah, Baywatch. Way back in the day? Yeah. And now he's Aquaman. And now he's a megastar, dude.

Yeah, megastar. And we used to make fun of him because his acting was so bad. He was just a pretty face. And he's a cool dude. I don't think he's good. I think he's kind of ugly looking. But people like dude. Yeah, mega star. We used to make fun of him because his acting was so bad. He was just a pretty face. And he's a cool dude. I don't think he's good. I think he's kind of ugly looking. But people like that. But he's cool.

Women like that barbaric look. Yeah, yeah. Like, this guy's going to fuck me up. Now we do the nasty. I'm bringing this hammer, by the way, just so you know. Not the one that's down here, but the one in my hand. That's two hammers. All right.

So before we cut it off, Jeremy Jackson Fitness is your IG. Yeah. We're going to be putting some stuff up on my IG as well. You guys can find him. And this podcast will be going up on a Tuesday. We're just going to be going down tomorrow. On a Tuesday. Yep.

Blowing up. So we're going to make sure you guys have Keto Fritos, Keto Cheetos, and make sure you guys are eating all your Keto Burritos when we listen to this thing on a Tuesday. All right. Thank you so much for being on the show. Much love, bro. Appreciate you.

Loved it. Yeah. All right. Over and out, guys. Guys. Guys. Guys. Guys.

Guys. Guys. All right, guys. guys, guys, guys. All right, guys, that concludes the show. And I really hope that you enjoyed it as much as I did. Jeremy Jackson has had one hell of a life. And he's got some crazy experiences under his belt. Making millions of dollars, losing millions of dollars. Meditation sessions that include, you know, self-induced DMT.

He's done every single diet in the freaking world. He's stabbed people. He's been on one of the most successful shows of all time, and he's done pretty much everything. So if you guys want to just spend a few minutes being on Google, just kind of seeing all that is Jeremy Jackson, seeing some of the photos and seeing some of the tabloids and all the stuff that gets said around his name. It is relatively entertaining. And there'll be a lot of stuff on there that we didn't get to talk about on the show because his story is just so massive. But again, being a podcaster, these are the type of stories

that I live for. And I have so much fun talking and networking with all these people and hearing their stories and learning from their stories and telling you guys the stories that they have. And it's just, it's an amazing opportunity for me. I absolutely love it. Every week is a challenge to get a story that I'm really, really proud to put on the air. So I work very, very hard for you guys. And I'm going to be in the CrossFit Games, at the CrossFit Games in Madison this next week, gathering up all the coolest people on the planet and getting them on the show. So I'm really excited to have some more shows for you guys in the next upcoming weeks.

Those are all going to be from Madison at the CrossFit Games. And there's going to be a lot of really, really cool people there for you guys to listen to. The only thing I want to touch on before we end this show completely is if you ever thought about doing my carb cycling challenge, if you've ever seen it on the internet anywhere at all, you've seen the before and after photos, you want to be part of that at all, just go to jimryan.com, which is G-Y-M-R-Y-A-N.com. My next challenge is August 5th. The top three people win $1,000 cash. I also give away a free e-book of your choice.

You also get a free month of Chalk Online. You get lifetime access to my online Facebook group where I do live Q&As. You guys get to talk to me, ask me questions all the time. And there's just a giant community of people in there who've all done the challenge, who are all willing to help you guys out with any questions you have at any time about the challenge or about nutrition in general. We all get in there. We all have great conversations. That group, honestly, is one of the things I look forward to every day to just answer questions and see what people are saying. It's amazing. I never thought I would have something like this. It is by far right now like one of my favorite things ever. It's something I look

so forward to every single morning to get on there and check these messages out and be part of people's lives changing all the time. And I have thousands of before and after photos that I wish I could post everywhere, but I just, right now I'm just posting like the top 20 or 30 of my favorites, but there's thousands out there. So again, it's jimryan.com. August 5th is the next one. If you don't want to hand in your before and after photo, but you just want to do what we're doing, you just want to be part of it, but you don't want to hand in your before and after photo but you just want to do what we're doing you just want to be part of it but you don't want to be part of the challenge that's fine you can just go on there you can buy it you can add yourself to the group and just be part of it but not actually do your before and after photo and you know if mentally it makes you feel like that's different you're welcome to do that as well so again guys thank you so much for listening to my podcast of

all the podcasts out there you guys spend your time listening to mine, and I really appreciate that, and I know that you guys know that I appreciate it. I talk about it on my Instagram all the time, so I will see you guys on the gram. Be sure to tag me and Jeremy Jackson Fitness for the episode, and I will see you guys next week, and I'll be in Madison.