Barbell Shrugged - [Listener QA] The Best Gut Health Cleanse, Are Naps Killing Your Sleep, Parasites in Your Gut, New Research of the Nervous System, and Improving Recovery Using Hyperbaric Chambers w/ Anders Varner, Dan Garner, and Dr. Andy Galpin Barbell Shrugged #653

Episode Date: August 3, 2022

In today’s episode of Barbell Shrugged we cover:   Are naps beneficial or harmful for optimal sleep? What are the most common mistakes you see when people undertake a gut cleanse?  What are some of the key things anyone undertaking a gut cleanse should be doing/not doing? How to get rid of a parasite?  Are parasites related to skin problems, and if so, how?  Any new research around the nervous system and it’s impact on general health   What is your opinion on hyperbaric oxygen therapy for recovery and do you recommend/use with your athletes?   To learn more, please go to https://rapidhealthreport.com   Connect with our guests:   Andy Galpin on Instagram   Anders Varner on Instagram   Doug Larson on Instagram   Coach Travis Mash on Instagram   Dan Garner on Instagram   ————————————————    Please Support Our Sponsors   Eight Sleep - Save $150 on the Pod Pro and Pod Pro Cover   Organifi - Save 20% using code: “Shrugged” at organifi.com/shrugged BiOptimizers Probitotics - Save 10% at bioptimizers.com/shrugged

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The other half of the show is not here. We are in Black Lab Sports at a conference about space right now. Did you learn more about space in the last 24 hours than you do over the last 30-something years of your life? Yeah, 100%. I knew my lane coming here. People were going to ask about performance nutrition for astronauts. Yeah, I'm all in. Physiology resilience during major stress Yeah, I'm all in. Physiology resilience

during major stressors, I'm in. But if you want to talk anything about physics, I'm so out. What you probably don't realize is last night, Anders and I got pulled into leading a panel discussion on a brand new satellite that was launched into

a new orbit around the moon. And it was Anders and I. And we were like, what? Yeah. And we crushed it. Yeah, we crushed it. We absolutely crushed it. We had many people very excited about our interview. And they were laughing a lot.

And he was very informed. I felt like we asked twice. I was like, that is a really good question, Anders. And the guy was like, thank you. That was a really good question. I was like, how did Anders do that? I know. It was one of those moments from old school.

You know how he does the rant thing and then collapses? Does the iron cross with the cigarette? No, when he does the – he spits off when Will Ferrell does the debate thing and he just crushes it. And everyone's looking at him like, how is this in your brain? And then he just collapses. You asked such a good question. I was like, how is this in his head?

I gave you guys a probability of success of like 10%. But then you nailed it. You hit the bullseye. I think I said to JP, the guy that's organizing this whole thing, at the end I was like, of all the places I thought a barbell might take me in my life, a space conference and running a fireside chat to a bunch of literally space engineers. Brilliant people. It's very cool guy that has while we're interviewing him has a 30 million dollar microwave-sized satellite headed to the moon that's correct like well uh i think you asked him about a squat deadlift well

they had asked him basically, who do you need to hire next? And he was like, oh, engineers that can do blah, blah, blah. And I was like, do you need to hire anybody that knows how to teach people how to deadlift and squat? I think that's why we got brought in today. No. What? Are you sure?

Today we're going to be doing a quick Q&A show. We're all here together. Doug and Travis are not, obviously, out here in Boulder with us, but we're going to turn on the microphones and doing a quick Q&A show. We're all here together. Doug and Travis are not, obviously, out here in Boulder with us, but we're going to turn on the microphones and do a little Q&A. We've got five questions to get through. We're going to talk about naps, gut cleanses, as well as parasites in your gut and how it affects overall health, research around the nervous system and its impacts on general health, and then hyperbaric oxygen therapy for recovery,

which hopefully some of you guys have done because I've never really been in a hyperbaric chamber. But let's talk about naps. Are naps beneficial or harmful for optimal sleep? Yes. Is it a cumulative amount of sleep that really is the most important thing? You're getting a bit tricky here. So the reason I said yes is naps can be extremely beneficial, especially if you look at the research on athletic populations.

You can see a good amount there. They can also train wreck your sleep. Yeah. Absolutely train wreck. Here's what I can say. Of all the athletes I've worked with, on average, I end up taking naps away more than I end up giving naps. Yeah.

Simply because they are used at the wrong time of the day, or they're used as a way to get around or to make up for poor sleep. And so it's typically, again, on average, it has been better to go, no, we're just cutting naps because you're not falling asleep at night. We're having all these problems. And when you cut them away, night sleep goes way up, and then they don't feel the need for as cutting naps because you're not falling asleep at night. We're having all these problems. And when you cut them away, night sleep goes way up, and then they don't feel the need for as many naps. Having said that, if they do sleep well at night, again, the research is clear.

Adding a nap actually can be quite beneficial, particularly for athletes, and especially for athletes that train multiple times a day. If you're a baseball player and your whole job today is to take BP, you probably don't need two naps other than the fact that you're so tired i was catching fungos for about 30 minutes and uh ran a couple fences yeah yeah i ran a couple holes right other than the fact like travel is throws their sleep off but other sports that are training multiple times a day whether you're talking about weightlifters yeah and they squatting two sessions a day or, of course, fighters. It's an obvious one.

So in those cases, the energy expenditure is so high that even when they sleep very, very well, sometimes adding a nap in is still needed or even it's just very helpful. Is it more specific to, like, if you're a baseball player, if you're any athlete, really,

if you're a fighter, and game time is it? Like, if you're fighting on the East Coast,'re any athlete, really, if you're a fighter, and game time is it. Like, if you're fighting on the East Coast, like you guys have fight, or take a fighting tonight. Yeah. He's on the East Coast. That, you said there's people fighting already. Right now.

It's 9.30 in the morning. Yeah. What, is it more beneficial for somebody that is, like, their fight time or their game starts at 7 30 it's like yeah two o'clock just take 30 minutes take an hour uh yeah again so it really kind of depends um it's a very hard direct answer because ideal situation you compete at the same time you trained this is best case so if you're going to have a 7 30 fight 7 30 p.m we want you training a lot around 7 30 like this is realigning circadian rhythms everything are diurnal

variations and all hormones around that time so you have this peak state um having said that it depends on the lag so sometimes it's actually better to for example say you're going to have a situation like this where um these athletes say jessica penny's fighting california athlete right it is 7 30 in the morning to her body yeah 7 30 in the morning right she i guarantee you she's never awake at this time let alone fighting yeah so she probably has been up for five hours to get her into position right there great when you have that drastic of a shift, you basically have two options. Option one is to go back multiple weeks

and reset the entire circadian rhythm and just start training at this crazy wake up at three in the morning, California every day, go to bed at 5 p.m. kind of thing, right? That's a rough go. But if you don't do that long enough, it can actually make it worse because you end up just being super fucking tired for a long time,

and then you still wake up from the fight and you're still tired. In that case, it's actually way more beneficial to just stay on your exact same sleep rhythm all the way up to the fight, except for the day before. Just wake up super early today. And just go. Because you just will be in normal state and you'll be tired today.

But one bad night of sleep has almost no bearing whatsoever on that day's performance yeah so that that's kind of the whole shebam of like uh what do you do because it goes to answer your question like do i take a nap i write well sometimes it's actually better to be just like tired yeah sleepy if it's very short duration one night of bad sleep will change physical performance very little. Sorry, I hogged the mic for the whole thing. No, it's great. It's led to another question.

If you want to just leave, Dan, it's fine. We'll just come grab you when we're done. Very little value. It's like, but I can do nutrition! I read labs! There's been no oxygen in here for me to get a word in yet. Carry on. Like four times, I could see his me to get a word in yet. Carry on. Like four times, I could see his chest go up.

I was like, give him the face palm. I'm like, no, no, you don't talk right now, Dan. Doug's not here, but when I know I'm on one on the show, you'll hear him go. And he like, that's the, I'm about to say something. Please stop talking. It's been 25 minutes. I have not got to talk yet um so a lot of times when i think about should i take a nap in the middle of my day it's it's less for me about like

the actual nap because i know i'm gonna fall asleep for two hours and that's likely awful for me going to sleep that night and it's like a one-off thing. What I'll do instead is just go lay in bed, set an alarm for 20 minutes, and basically do very relaxing breath work slash meditation. And then if I fall asleep, awesome. But it's never the intent. When really what I'm trying to do is just chill out. And it's likely, I feel like probably a better, if you feel like you need to take a nap

but it has to be two hours it's probably not beneficial probably not it's probably just going to screw up you going to sleep that night yeah where if you just went to bed laid there closed your eyes did some deep breathing got parasympathetic gave yourself a time to relax uh you're probably going to find much more benefit just in recharging your system and calming down a little bit yeah there's a normal physiological response to actually get tired post-lunch okay there's some abnormally or abnormality there as well so if it is a situation and this is where you can certainly go to dan where like you're getting extremely fatigued after meals it's not you are oftentimes past the point of just physiological diurnal changes throughout the day and then they're like oh you are getting massive um issues with digestion

one way or the other right so most likely you're going to look at carbohydrate metabolism somehow we've seen a number of these issues or whatever right but if it's just like oh i get so sleepy in the afternoon a little bit you're like, that's actually your normal human being. You don't necessarily need to nap that out. You can just chill for five minutes and you'll come right back. Is there anything that's going to show up on labs as far as cortisol curves and things like that if somebody is getting their body out of rhythm and they're taking a two-hour nap in the middle of the day. Does that throw things out of whack for people?

Yeah, a hundred percent. There's a lot of different markers with respect to hormones, ratios, neurotransmitters that give a quite excellent picture of one's circadian rhythm. But I mean that the two main things that I would add here to this type of a question is, first one, is don't mistake fatigue for the fact that you need to correct your circadian rhythm. It's important to absolutely point that out because circadian rhythm, it's popular to talk about. People love the sleep-wake cycle. They love the idea of optimizing regeneration and utilizing the highest quality of sleep and tracking their REM on their app and all of that stuff. But sometimes, you know how many

biochemical sources of fatigue exist that are outside of your circadian rhythm, such as your micronutrient status, especially iron, such as hormone balance, such as if you have reactive hypoglycemia or any type of blood sugar issues, if you are out of shape, if you have, you know, there's many things. Even dehydration is an undeniable biochemical source of fatigue, and few people are optimally hydrated. So just because you're tired doesn't mean you need a nap. Lots of times, even just from a statistical perspective, there are many other areas at which you could exploit and create a possible intervention towards to offset this fatigue.

So that would be kind of the first thing that I would say here. The second thing that I would say is kind of in the same vein of being a little bit too excited about something and taking a step back, allowing your rush to dissipate so you can think clearer. There's the biohacking community, for example, and I don't want to pick on them at all, but they're a good example of people who will see a piece of research and then think that they need to apply it right away, even if it's at the expense of some levels of common sense. So you'll see a piece of...

What? Did you just describe the entire biohacking? In the nicest way possible. You're Canadian. Your Canadian just came out so much. I would have just shredded that. I would have shredded that. I don't want to hurt any feelings, okay? I'm sorry, you fucking idiots.

I'm sorry, but you're an idiot. We're agreeable people. Yeah. So in this lane now, because a study will come out about how napping for 10 minutes can improve creativity. Napping for 15 minutes can improve attention span. Napping for 20 minutes can reset certain hormones. And then you could see all of this stuff and then you'll want to biohack yourself. But then this actually offsets your circadian rhythm because

I've seen people see research on naps and they want to integrate them so bad that they'll actually take 5-HTP and then take CBD and then take theanine and try and actually shut themselves down in the middle of the day working against their body rather than working with their body. You didn't actually need this nap. You sedated yourself into it to get this proposed benefit that you saw from one study that hasn't been repeated yet. Shark family, I want to take a quick break. If you are enjoying today's conversation, I want to invite you to come over to rapidhealthreport.com.

When you get to rapidhealthreport.com, you will see an area for you to opt in, in which you can see Dan Garner read through my lab work. Now, you know that we've been working at Rapid Health Optimization on programs for optimizing health. Now, what does that actually mean? It means in three parts, we're going to be doing a ton of deep dive into your labs. That means the inside out approach. So we're not going to be guessing your macros. We're not going to be guessing the total calories that you need. We're actually going to be doing all the work to uncover everything that you have going on inside you. Nutrition, supplementation, sleep. And then we're going to go through and analyze your lifestyle. Dr. Andy Galpin is going to build out a lifestyle protocol based on the severity of your concerns. And then we're going to also build out all the programs that go into that based on the most severe things first. This truly is a world-class program. And we invite you to see step one of this process by going over to rapidhealthreport.com.

You can see Dan reading my labs, the nutrition and supplementation that he has recommended that has radically shifted the way that I sleep, the energy that I have during the day, my total testosterone level, and just my ability to trust and have confidence in my health going forward. I really, really hope that you're able to go over to rapidhealthreport.com, watch the video of my labs, and see what is possible. And if it is something that you are interested in, please schedule a call with me on that page. Once again, it's rapidhealthreport.com and let's get back to the show. So there's probably also a big piece of this too. It's like, well, why do you feel like you need a nap? Like if your first pitch is at 7.15 at night, yeah, two o'clock, it'd be nice to get a little jolt of energy because you have

four hours until you have to be at your absolute best if you're joe schmo and you are having three drinks on on a tuesday night and then you go to sleep and you wake up in a giant deficit and feel like you need a nap why don't we handle the drinking part first why don't we handle all the bad behaviors you're dealing with and and masking so that's it's causing you not to actually get the deep sleep and you feel like you have to wake up and then go lay down for an hour and a half or two hours just to get back to even. I have never in my career, I don't think, recommended naps to people who weren't previously napping. I can't ever think of a time when I've been like,

hey, let's add in naps. Yeah, me neither. I've never done it once. Yeah, outside of like, oh, yeah, you pitched until 2 a.m., and then we had to go fly to this place. Now we're on four hours of sleep, and you've got to pitch tonight. Let's get a nap. Your body will tell you when you need it.

Yeah, so very rarely. The only other time I've encountered it is when they're already previously napping, love naps or, um, they're there, but yeah, like I think they're highly overrated for those things. Dan Garner,

what are the most common mistakes you see when people undertake a gut cleanse? First of all, don't call it a cleanse. That's basically like they're saying I'm drinking lemon juice for four days. Yeah. And turmeric's in there there so speaking of leaving logic behind right um so in this please continue sending us questions by the way even though we're gonna we're gonna talk about them in a real way um hey the unfiltered reality is what i wish i would have got from some people

asking questions. So I think if you ask somebody, hey, do you want me to tell you how it is or do you want me to beat around the bush? Tell me how it is. Okay. Well, then that's what we're going to do. What are the common mistakes I see with a gut cleanse? Believing they exist? Yeah.

Is that mistake one? Yeah. yeah is that mistake one yeah yeah thinking they exist is mistake one because um you know there's the old adage of if you give a man a fish he'll eat for a day if you teach a man how to fish he'll fish for a lifetime um in the coaching world um i like to think that if you give a coach a protocol he'll coach for a day if you teach a coach how to make a protocol he'll coach for a lifetime this is how gut health programming works and why I use the terminology gut health for ease of communication at times just for an agreeable foundation on a podcast platform. But when we talk about the gut, we're talking about chewing all of the salivary enzymes,

your esophagus, your stomach, your pepsin, your hydrochloric acid secretion, getting into the duodenum, the jejunum, the ileum, what's happening with the pancreas, what's happening with the gallbladder, what's happening with the liver, what's happening with the microbiome and the fungus and any possible pathogens, what's going on with the large intestine in the ascending transverse or descending colon, what's happening with elimination, is it constipation, is it loose stools, there is how many organ systems did I just mention that have many other functioning systems within them that also create ripple effects of physiology? There is no gut health protocol because you're talking about a dozen organs that have hundreds of different systems. what is it that's creating the symptom that's going to actually allow you to identify the root cause problem or the target tissue and organ that you want to create a nutritional

or supplemental intervention on. It says, if I sell a gut cleanse to you, it makes no sense because you might spend $500 on something but only needed one organ or target tissue covered so that is something where you you end up actually spending more money on something that maybe 10 out of 11 organs you know they didn't actually even need it only one actually and that's always the case you think you have an entire malfunctioning gastrointestinal tract right that's not the case. It's like, I don't understand how that can begin to be logical. Like it doesn't make any sense to me. So I've always had that tissue specific approach. And that's why I don't talk about protocols or give away protocols because a protocol is dependent

upon the physiologic context of the person in front of me. So when you ask me this question, what do people screw up when it comes to gut cleanses? Thinking it is a gut cleanse is the first mistake. And if you think hiring an expert is expensive, try hiring an amateur because you're going to hire 20 amateurs who will give you 20 gut cleanses that don't work until you finally cough up the money or the time to work with an expert that actually identifies your root cause problem so it goes away forever instead of just dealing with symptoms. So there's no such thing as a gut cleanse. And the sooner the industry understands that, the better off we're all going to be.

Yeah. I want to add two things to that. One, just in defense of the gut cleanse, actually, funny enough, I'm going to go in defense of the gut cleanse actually, funny enough, I'm going to go in defense of it it is real, if you are extremely symptomatic it is absolutely possible to withdraw from most foods

for a few days and your symptoms will go away that is a very real thing and sometimes it's not a bad coaching practice if somebody is very much struggling and they're just like, my stomach is absolutely killing me. I can fix this right now by just giving you no food, basically. Yeah. And if some and that's, again, that's not the worst thing in the world. If someone's really struggling, if they're really in discomfort, you can either totally move, make the food go away, or reduce it to a handful of foods where they can still eat, but all that goes away.

And I think it's unfair to act like that's not an okay coaching practice. Yeah. That absolutely is, right? I would do that. It is certainly unfair to sell them that that is fixing your gut, but it is fixing your symptoms right now, right? And that's okay. And sometimes before you can go to fix the whole thing, let's just stop you from hurting instantaneously. Great.

Please, can I stop hurting right now? Yes, we can do that. Second thing I want to say is I'm going to ask you a trick question because I know it's going to put a big smile on Dan's face. Anders, I'm going to ask you a trick question. Okay, great. Here comes my exercise science degree. You have heard sayings such that like 80% of your immune system is in your gut

or something like that, right? You're familiar with it, right? So what percentage of your immune system is in your gut or something like that, right? You're familiar with, right? So what percentage of your immune system is in your stomach? I think it's zero, right? That's the funny part, right? Where your immune system is the part that you can't – it's everywhere. Yeah, sure. Okay, I'll ask it differently.

What percentage – if 80% of your immune system comes from your gut, right, what percentage of your immune system comes from your stomach, right? What percentage of your immune system comes from your stomach? Yeah. So here's the funny thing. There's no answer, but it's, yeah. Dan, the answer is? Very, very low, low amount. That's almost exclusively in the large intestine.

So you're like, you hear this idea that like, oh, my immune system, blah, blah, blah, my neurotransmitters, my hormones, they're all being generated from the gut, gut, gut, gut. And people hear gut and think stomach. Yeah. And you're like, oh, my gut is my stomach. Gut is just like this colloquial term for what you started this whole thing off with, right?

It's like your gut health, what I mean also could be your esophagus. It could be your colon. It could be your stomach, right? That like gut health cleansing thing is like well okay what are you talking about the gut because if it's your stomach this ain't fuck all to do with your that's your thing like this is not at all we're talking about if you have stomach issues and you're like um i have stomach pain like great this is not the same thing you think we're talking about here like this is not the place that's holding your immune system this is a different

area this is and you were you just went through the anatomy the entire gastrointestinal like your large and your large intestine slash colon like like this is a whole different thing the the part where you're like oh when i eat this i get gassy okay are we talking now we're talking stomach or are we talking like where the actual digestion of carbohydrates happen this is a different part of this entire anatomy so based on what gives you your symptoms we can't have a quick clue as what part of that anatomy where the dysfunction happens right process is it fat carbohydrate got it now we're getting an idea are you getting gas from fruit okay great now we understand that metabolism there so um with the gut health thing when you're being sold this

like the person you're buying from has to understand these things or they don't have any idea what they're doing right if they're trying to convince you that your stomach health is your gut health and it's like okay this person has doesn't even have the fundamental starting place you don't even know the anatomy you don't know the parts let alone how they're functioning let alone how to fix them specific to this problem like all stops i think uh one of the ways that i i think like if i were if i was to tell people what it's like when we're on the road and like you're having drinks each night people and like we're eating out and the oils suck i would come to you be like guys i need like a four-day gut cleanse to get rid of all of this and to go no what you need is a vegetable

like what you need is to just like cut out the booze and you need to cut out the like going out to dinner with friends because you're on the road and you so you don't really need like a gut cleanse what you need is to just clean your shit up or like fast for a day and let your body catch up to the amount of trash you've put in it for the last 72 hours and you can i'll actually counter a lot of things it's not even necessarily the the trash you put in it's just the fact you got off rhythm yeah getting off rhythm in terms of when you ate um like that alone will cause a lot of gi distress just because you're off like we were joking last night about like taking 10 30 p.m poops like who does that

everybody when you're on the road because yeah and it's that's you just get so off time yeah um so one of the things that helps you come back is like oh i got all those seed oils out like no no it was just the fact that you started eating at the same time again, sleeping at the same time. And then your body got into a rhythm. Yeah. And you felt better. Like that's really, I absolutely feel like I need a gut cleanse right now.

I think that I'll add a couple of more, a few more things actually. So I think the number one thing people get wrong about a gut health protocol is not actually getting the right answers. That's the real thing. They don't actually know what target tissue needs the intervention. So that would be the biggest mistake that they could make because they're constantly guessing rather than knowing what protocol to utilize.

Another thing in the same vein of what you just said, Anders, of things being habitual and not actually gut health related, the gut brain connection is a very real thing. It's been a very real thing for a long time. And there's psychological stress. This is out there. People can look this up. Stress alone can induce a bleeding ulcer.

You can literally make your gastrointestinal system bleed with your thoughts. So in that case, do you need a probiotic? Totally. Or do you need to get your shit together? You know, there's actually identifying the root cause, whether gastrointestinally speaking or external from the gastrointestinal system, but creating a ripple effect within the gastrointestinal system, right? That symptom is the result of the problem rather than the root cause of the problem. So it can be elsewhere. People need better answers. And that's a lot of times what it's going to be and what coaching really is. It's just asking more and more questions until you identify what the thing is.

And I guess removing the word cleanse, not just because of the obvious reality that you aren't cleansing. That's just kind of a silly thing to say. Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. It's not poison as a shit. You've got to get out of there. That's not how it works. That's not what you're doing.

I don't like the idea that a cleanse sounds fast because any quick solution is not a permanent solution. The analogy I like to give people is before you came to me, you walked all the way into the middle of a forest for the last 10 years. We have to turn around and walk all the way back out. This isn't a seven-day process. It's not a three-day process. We have to identify what tissues need our help and program accordingly and have the maturity to realize that this is not a seven day event it's something that's going to take time because biology adapts to averages over time so you need to adapt to this new way of living for a long enough period of time to actually

undergo a type of repair and optimization yeah i uh glad you said that actually leads into the next one because uh as a as n equals one each person should know is this am i traveling my system's out of whack i just crossed three time zones i'm eating out with my friends i took a poop at 10 30 at p.m like this isn't normal but i can get back on pace here very quickly or have i been dealing with this and for for four years and uh this isn't obviously a four-day problem that we're going to to get into um which gets into real problems i figured he's just made an inside joke about me no he did not um we made an inside joke about gut cleanses um how do you get rid of a parasite which is a very long-term problem that has probably been wreaking havoc on your gut and your entire digestive system and your health for a very long

time and a very loaded question parasites okay so yeah it's a little too loaded to handle in a q a for all of the reasons i talked about designing specific protocols. That's very, very specific. I guess one thing I can say is that you need to actually do a stool test to identify if one's there. A lot of times people, like we've talked about it before, they think what's common is normal. Loose stools, constipation, acid reflux, indigestion, GI pain, bloating, waking up, feeling lean, and then going to bed looking pregnant. These things are all common, but they're certainly not normal. So instead of taking symptom managers such as digestive enzymes, such as a random probiotic, such as a type of cleanse, none of these things actually get you to answer.

And parasites are real, like Jesus. Like that's something where it's certainly going to manifest itself into more than just a symptom. It can manifest itself into something more. The symptoms are what reduce life quality, but symptoms are the only way in which your body has a communication level with you to tell you that something's wrong. So doing the proper lab to identify what is going on and taking it to an expert is for real because parasites not just something you do on the side. It's not something you become an expert on in the weekends. It's not something you read an article about and you

figure out. Gastrointestinal health is, if you wanted to out gastrointestinal health is if you wanted to read gastrointestinal research for the rest of your life you could there is there is so much research out there on gastrointestinal health and how it impacts impacts all other organ systems and physiology that you could read gastrointestinal research for the rest of your life it turns out there's an entire medical field dedicated to it. Dedicated to isolated parts of it. That's what I'm saying. And they still don't have it figured out. And you could spend seven years in medical school for that little isolated part.

Like this is how far it can go. Yeah. So like you have to take this stuff to a real expert who has a proven track record of success. Because in my experience, and it makes me feel bad for people because their willingness to take action demonstrates they want to feel better and they're motivated. But the problem is you don't know what you don't know. And the hardest worker in the room does not always get the best results. I know a lot of people think that the hardest worker in the room does not always get the best results. It's the person who is able to allocate that work into the most intelligent areas for their specific issues who's going to get the best results. So effort applied does not mean

you'll get results unless it's specific to your physiological context and attacking the specific constraint that you have. An expert gets you the shortest road possible to that. And this is not something you do part-time yeah i think even to that when you're talking about the amount of efforts like how many people are doing uh crazy recovery methods or they're there's we were at dinner the other night talking about a professional athlete that spends millions of dollars on their body but it's like they just go buy the new cryo chamber or they buy this new fun thing. It's like you need to have a more direct conversation about the things that are holding you back versus the new toy.

Yeah. Effort applied does not mean results received like Andy. Andy's, I don't know. I don't know anybody who knows more about muscle physiology than Andy. How well, if you took a hundred percent of the population of natural trainees, how well are they going to grow on Schwarzenegger's high-volume program?

Oh, yeah. Well, you're never going to make it through it. Effort applied does not equal results received. No chance. Yeah. So there's actually, I have some thoughts here, a couple of them.

You talked about earlier, hey, diarrhea, bloating, all this stuff, they're normal but not natural. Right. I think it's actually fair to also recognize just because you have these things, you probably don't have a

parasite. Most likely, you do not have a parasite. They do exist. They are problematic. And getting them out of there can be largely beneficial. But the vast majority of you who are like, man, I fart a bunch, you don't have a parasite. And sometimes, even if

you do, they're commensal. Like there's research out there that it's asymptomatic and actually not causing you a problem. Exactly, exactly. So like I feel like because these things can be so powerful, though it is like everyone is like, man, I farted twice today. Like I'm wondering if I have a parasite. Almost surely you don't.

Like statistically, almost surely you do not have a parasite. Or if you have one, it's not actually a problem. Not pathogenic. Right. So that's important to recognize. So that being said, when it comes to overall people, if you have gut problems or you're not sure if you could be feeling better or anything, number one stop is going to be your diet.

Let's play here. Second one is, and actually you can see this, stress management is a very, very important place for gut health. You can induce a shit ton, get it, of GI issues with improper stress management. So if you have been like, wow, tried all these things nutritionally, and my stress management is very dialed, and I'm still having a bunch of issues, now we can go poop in a cup and send it off to a company and go play. But you probably don't need that if you haven't tried those other ones. Most people will see their symptoms resolved or eliminated entirely from

basic stress management, from like basic consistency of your day timing wise, right? If your daily schedule is pretty tight, if your eating schedule is pretty tight if you're eating schedules reasonably tight and you don't have just like you know 40 grams of fiber per thousand calories or something in your diet it's like stop eating so much broccoli i heard lane norton say this years ago and i was like this is brilliant he's talking about like removing broccoli from people's diets because they get become so obsessed with being healthier and their gut sucks and so like i just have to eat cleaner i have to eat cleaner. I have to eat cleaner.

And they just start piling in insoluble fiber. And he's like, bro, bro, bro, take the fucking broccoli out and put a pizza in. Like what? And all of a sudden he's like, wow, all my bloating went away. He's like, yeah, man, like you're at seven grams of insoluble fiber a day

because you're trying to eat and you just like go further and further and further. Smashing broccoli. Yeah. It's like, hey, raffinose is real. Like all these things like are really problematic. So yeah, I've got a true story about that.

I work with a bikini girl who is having a kilo of broccoli a day. So that's 2.2 pounds. Holy crap. That's a lot of broccoli. And she had, she came to me with gut problems. And I was like, I was like,

you didn't really need to hire me. For a day, it takes her, for each day of broccoli, it probably takes her like three days. And it was so arbitrary. Like she was probably farting like non days. And it was so arbitrary. She was probably farting like nonstop. It was just so arbitrary.

Your favorite Instagram model is farting all day long on all the broccoli. Hot girls don't fart, that's science. So, I don't know. You're taking down the scientific integrity of the show. We know they don't fart or poop. Next question. I'll kick it over to Andy. The scientific integrity of the show. We know they don't fart or poop. Next question. I'll kick it over to Andy.

Any new research around the nervous system and its impact on general health? Big one. Okay. There's a lot to say here. First off, new research is such a broad term. Yeah, like new to you? Yeah, this question was probably sent to us a couple months ago or something like that yeah um yeah i'm not the guy for this area yeah look go go ask cuban right let go listen to his show um that being said i think there are some cool things in what i'll point to you is our areas so there's there's a new place emerging, I'd say, in the sense of regulation of stress through the nervous system.

We've always known, hey, if you breathe out parasympathetic, that is not even stratospherically new. But there are parts within that where we're like, wow. It's hard to say this. The connectedness of the nervous system is underappreciated. And you're like, well, what? Yeah like you don't really understand the role it plays um it seems to be a straightforward path like literally it's not though um so that has been interesting and then you also sort of already brought this up dan but things the connection between things like your nervous system specifically, like anatomically, and your gut health. Like that stuff is starting to pan out pretty impressively and then a bunch of other stuff.

So like I'd say those are general areas to point out, but we would not be the best people to answer. I'll add a couple of things to that. Also not being the best guy to answer yeah i'll add a couple of things to that um also not being the best guy to answer this um the i just received a study um who do i gotta give a shout out to keith sheman sent me a study um and it's a brand new and it's discussing regeneration and repair of nerves and it was actually uh directly connected to the microbiome. So this is released in June 2022. So just last month at the time of this recording, the title of the study is the gut metabolite indole-3-propionate promotes nerve regeneration and repair. And just to give you an idea, I'm just going to read the last sentence of the conclusion. Our results demonstrate the ability

of microbiome-derived metabolites such such as IPA, to facilitate regeneration and functional recovery of sensory axons through an immune-mediated mechanism. So that's the first time I've ever heard of that, which is absolutely fascinating to me. There would be another expert that would be able to break that down much further, but that's just some new research that came by that i recommend that guy go check out and in fairness that's probably a mouse study it's probably isolated yeah yeah all those things are true yeah we gotta wait till it's demonstrated i don't may not mean that marker may not be important it might have been clinically relevant sure sure sure but you're like you're just demonstrating a concept of like we never even thought this was a rule yeah that's why i say go read it yeah that's the title of it go Go check it out.

that's the first thing I'd say regarding the nervous system. The second thing I'd say regarding the nervous system is actually just learning it rather than looking for new stuff. There's so much stuff on this podcast and other podcasts that I say that people think is cool. That is really just in textbooks that were there 20 years ago. It's just an understanding of biochemistry and understanding of physiology. It's amazing how cutting edge people kind of think you are when you just have a fundamental working knowledge of physiology.

So if you're asking questions, is there anything new about the nervous system? Just go learn it. You could learn that. That's another thing you could learn for the rest of your life. And I guarantee you, you're going to come across a paper from the 70s that will fascinate you. You're going to come across a paper from whatever, the 80s, 90s. You're going to come across things that are fascinating

and that will enhance your working knowledge of theory and application towards your goals that don't have to be new. New doesn't mean better. It just means new. Yeah. I can't even tell you like the old cranky scientist in me of how many times in my career things have popped up in pop culture that I'm like, what do you mean? Like this has literally been in my class for nine years.

What are you talking? This was in my class when I was an undergrad. Like what are you talking? And you just get all fired up, right? Because you're just totally jealous. You're like, that's not fair. This dude is getting credit for this or blowing up or whatever. Every exercise physiology student in the country has known this for 30 years.

What the? So you get all mad. I think also anytime I don't have the exercise science degree, but my basic understanding of a lot of the nervous system, because obviously it's insanely complex, I think about it much more just in my own process and growth over 20-something years of training now. And it's like, when is Travis Mash not going to front squat 405 pounds just because?

20 seconds after he's dead. That's the only time. And that's the only time. He's going to be 100 years old maybe. Front squatting 400. Just cold front squat 405 just because that's his nervous system. He has to remember how to do this. It's not just the muscles moving it.

His body had to adapt to the fact that that's a part of his environment forever. And you learn how to do this. It's not just the muscles moving it. It's his body had to adapt to the fact that that's a part of his environment forever. And he learned how to do it. And then your body remembers. I like how most people's analogy is like, you never forget how to ride a bike. His is you never forget how to squat. Front squat.

So you're looking for this crazy new study of this thing. And it's like, no, you just go train for a long time and have the muscle memory to do the thing forever. Yeah, the new studies just add to our understanding, which is obviously unbelievably important. New studies, they get me buzzed up too. It's just important to understand that a new study is a dot on the map compared to our current understanding,

and I can guarantee that you don the map compared to our current understanding, and I can guarantee that you don't know everything within our current understanding. So don't wait for something new to come out to be inspired to learn. You know what's pretty fun? Go find a study from 2004, 1996, whatever, right? And post it up. Just like you would.

Don't act like it's new, but just post it up like, and everyone will be like, oh, that's crazy. Changes oh it's crazy changes i'm like no this is 25 years old yeah oh well oh it's like there's so much already out there i remember going into paul check's uh office and he's got the the old library where guys were hand drawing theing the nervous system. Yeah. And it's like, wait a second. This thing's been around for a very long time. And they had a great understanding. Without all the tools that we have, you open the book up,

and there's a dude that literally hand-drew the entire nervous system. And then hand-drew. It'll take you a very long time to just understand the basics. You know what's funny about... If you look at... I hate when people use these terms,

but if you look at Eastern medicine, like I can't stand the Eastern world, things like that, but if you look at things like acupuncture, right? You're talking complete cuckoo, wacko, non-pseudo-science, right? And it's like, now we're starting to find those exact oh yeah trigger point six goes to trigger point nine that was actually totally right uh 28 does go to four

and three and that actually does cause headaches like it's just like damn yeah and this was 2 000 years ago in a book yeah and those things are started those are starting to like dial up and you're like his uh His library is insanely cool. Just going in and seeing the library and then opening the books, and you're like, holy shit, these people were hand-drawing every muscle in your body. And it's really cool. Hyperbaric oxygen therapy for recovery. Do you recommend use it with your athletes?

Man, again, another loaded question. So I'll ask it. I'll answer it differently. Is it pseudoscience? No, not at all. Can you waste $1,000 on a 10-session package at Hyperbolo? Yes, you can absolutely waste that and get nothing out of that. So both those answers can be true.

Do we use hyperbaric yes do i have some athletes that have purchased and spent very large amount of money to have their own private hyperbarics and do i feel like that's beneficial yes um there's a lot of ways you can get a lot of benefits out of it without it yeah there's some actually cool stuff you can do if you look at the literature you're going to see a lot of scientific support for hyperbaric for tissue healing. And people then say, like, oh, what about recovery from training? I said tissue healing, as in you've got a third-degree burns over 25% of your body. Will this help you? Yeah, like you're probably going to get hyperbaric therapy, and it's decently scientific supported.

Will this help you recover so you can train harder to gain more muscle there you're not going to find any science to support that does that mean it doesn't work i didn't say that um so it is always with hyperbaric it is a cost to benefit ratio it is a situation right it is again you're going to pop in there once a month you're getting nothing like virtually nothing out of this. Like if you got a cocktail, like a Myers cocktail IV once every four weeks. It's not doing anything for the most part, right? Yeah. Besides curing your hangover.

Like you'll feel a little bit better. I would personally never, ever get an IV like that of any kind. I would absolutely never get just like an iv with some vitamins and glutathione and magnesium i would i would never catch me dead paying a hundred dollars for that or get upsold 50 for the glutathione yeah you bought this package i did yeah do you want to upsell the glutathione how much oh oh yes i do yes i. I have had... Yeah. 100%. So, yeah. I felt amazing. I felt great. We should actually do a podcast on that in the future, by the way.

IV therapy, fact versus fiction. Oh, that's a really good idea. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. Because there's a lot of shit in there that you can add in there that doesn't do anything. I feel like there should be, when it comes to recovery methods or down regulation or things like that, there should be almost like a pyramid thing where it's like, you do breath work that's free right like lay in your bed close

your eyes breathe really well for 10 minutes and then you've exhausted that okay now let's take it up to the next level like now we can add in like some soft tissue work some acupuncture and now you're in like the $100 price range. Go buy a hyperbaric chamber. That's at the way top where you're going to drop $3,000 or $5,000, something crazy. You can get into a soft top for $5,000, but the most ones the athletes are getting are $50,000, $60,000.

Yeah, there you go. If you've got $60,000 laying around, one, schedule a call with me. That would be awesome. We could dial this in way better than a hyperbaric chamber. We could for sure make you feel so much better than whatever you'll get. Just one hyperbaric chamber. 100%.

We will solve so many more problems. So many more problems. Worst pitch ever. Worst pitch ever. And we'll add the hyperbaric chamber in. For real, though. For our billionaires. If you looked at a pie chart of what impacted recovery,

calories, macros, sleep, stress management, and breathing would take up like 90% of that pie chart. And the remaining 10% is for the people who really need increased recovery, like the bomb diffuser that we work with, like the pro athletes that we work with. The people who kind of overemphasize recovery lots of times just don't have the basics consistent. They might have the basics good sometimes, but until you get that consistency, that pie chart never really fills itself up yeah yeah in our um when we take our athletes through our analytics stuff uh all the things that we go after uh recovery capacity wise oxygen therapy is not on them that list right there's a lot of other things um accounting for oxygen transportation and general oxygen utilization ability is important. It's important.

And if you have an issue there, you can make some serious progress in recovery by just enhancing that. Look at what Brian McKenzie is doing. That episode was like, if you fail some of those fundamental tests, then you might be a massive responder to hyperbaric therapy. Sleep issues.

Okay, like, a lot of these problems can come from splenic contractions at night due to sleep apneas. And that just trashing iron concentrations and then oxygen saturation all over, like, you're all over the place. You might do one session of hyperbaric and be like, I feel incredible.

My brain fog is gone. My energy's through the roof. I did one session and you're full of shit. Oh, okay. That's a giant clue. You have some pathology or you have some, it may not be a true pathology but something is going on that's

not normal. You shouldn't feel that way after one hyperbaric session. If you do, that's like every alarm in the universe going off telling you, hey, physiology is wrecked here. Yeah. I think one or two shows ago that we were

talking about, it's like there's so much money you could spend on everything, but pick the low-hanging fruit first. That goes for buying a $5,000 sauna, a $15,000 ice bath, a hypoparic chamber. Yeah. Do the free breathing part first.

Get as healthy as possible. Get some labs run. Do some base blood work. Yeah. Get somebody to look at it that knows what they're doing. Get on a consistent daily schedule. Track, like, number one. Yeah.

Reasonably consistent daily schedule. Andy Goblin, where can people find you? Instagram and schedule. Track number one. Yeah. Reasonably consistent daily schedule. A.D. Goblin, where can people find you? Instagram and Twitter. There you go. YouTube. Although, we don't have much up there recently. I'm sorry, everyone. Too busy.

Yeah, but you know what? We may... I'm not going to say anything. We may... We may have a new guy. I'm just saying, if you like my YouTube videos, just maybe there might be some stuff coming soon. We found a way to open up someone's schedule

that likes talking intelligently. Where can people find you? At Dan Garner Nutrition on Instagram and Andy Galpin's YouTube channel. Make sure you get over to CoachGarner.com and take the mentorship courses. We have all of our coaches going through those. We've actually talked to a bunch of people recently

just saying anytime somebody can't really get into our programs, just go take the course. It's a great option to learn about blood work, a lot of the lab testing we're doing. You can get over to RapidHealthReport.com if you'd like to see Dan read my labs. And also, yeah, we have these cool shirts on now. Seminar. The seminar.

Yeah, this will be up before then. Where can people find out about your seminar? So Dan and I have our first ever biomolecular blueprint seminar. August 13th and 14th in my lab basically Cal State Fullerton one-time shot basically so you want to come to see Dan and I speak and basically go through our entire process how to analyze individuals high performers you know what to measure how to make sure it gets measured properly that's day one Day two is what you just measured. How do you now provide personalized nutrition, sleep, recovery protocols, et cetera, based on exactly what you found in day one.

I actually really want to, if you're a coach listening to this, I think the most important part of your seminar, what you're doing, if you are in the fitness space, you kind of end up choosing a few paths, right? And your goal in being very good is to dominate a specific piece of the industry. And most people get in. They get really good at lifting weights. You realize, well, lifting weights is like a piece of this thing. So I'm going to be a nutrition coach. And then you end up just turning into a fat loss coach

because there's a lot of fat people that need a lot of help. But how many fat loss programs exist on this planet? All of them? Thousands? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands? So you think you're doing something incredibly special, which you are because you're helping people lose a lot of weight.

But what you really want to be doing is continuing to up your skill set. And that is going to take you from fat loss into reading blood chemistry. And then from there, advanced, more comprehensive diagnostics and how to really help people solve larger and larger problems. And I think that your seminars, if you're a coach that is truly interested in being in a service that has very little competition, because most people are not willing to put the work in, this is like a must-go-to course. A lot of this, we're flying all of our coaches out to not only are they taking dance courses, but to be a part of this because this is what we do. And what I've learned in building Rapid health optimization with you guys is, like,

we don't have much competition out there right now. There's not many people that are willing or have done the work to be able to get us to solve these very large problems in health optimization that people have been dealing with that haven't gotten good answers. And it's a skill set that separates you from the pack. Yeah. Like you mentioned people not being willing to put the work in. Stand on our shoulders. Andy and I have been doing this for decades,

and we're going to distill our entire method that's taken us decades. We've got many, many world champions, A-list actors, you name it. We've done it with no marketing because ultimately results is the best marketing tool that you ever have. So if you're a trainer out there, I just really intrinsically, this is the most excited I've ever been to speak. We are completely unfolding the method,

and we're not doing it in a way that keeps secrets. It was always frustrating going to seminars and not really thinking that you know what they're doing yeah we tell you the exact blood test we tell you the exact stool test we tell you the exact breath test we tell you exactly what we do on day one for intake and exactly what we do on day two for program design so like you stand on our shoulders. Leverage decades of research and decades of experience to

learn the Biomolecular Blueprint method. I hope to see you there. It's the combination of many years of work for Andy and I. And you're going to leave that weekend blown away. I guarantee. Plus there's going to be a bunch of... How do I say this without spoiling? There's going to be a bunch of... How do I say this without spoiling?

There's going to be a handful of surprises that you'll get that weekend that we're not telling you about until you get there. There you go. That are an enormous value. Yeah. You're going to be very okay with the money you spend. I promise you that. I'm Anders Varner at Anders Varner.

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