Barbell Shrugged - Neuromuscular Re-Education — The Bledsoe Show #134

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Starting point is 00:03:48 and you'll save that money now for our show with Garrett of NewFit we talk about neuromuscular re-education I was in Austin for a month and for 3 weeks of that month I went in 2-3 times and I trained with Danielle and every time I hit Austin I tried to train with this system And for three weeks of that month, I went in two to three times and I trained with Danielle.

Starting point is 00:04:09 And every time I hit Austin, I try to train with this system. And they have these systems all over the United States. So it's really good. Even though I move pretty well, there's still certain muscles that don't fire exactly how I want them to. And these guys have been able to dial me in. So every time I get a chance, I hop on the machine and I train my body to move more efficiently. The really cool thing is that it's easy. So they really shine when it comes to rehab. But I know a lot of athletes like myself who are simply walking in to optimize and keep the body tuned.

Starting point is 00:04:40 I think you're really going to enjoy this show. It's a refreshing conversation about neuromuscular re-education. Enjoy. We can start the show talking about tattoos because you got tattoos everywhere. That's right. So I had you on the show one of the first blood show shows I had

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Starting point is 00:05:24 the grand finale which I will remind people that uh go subscribe to my channel because it's going to keep happening it just won't be on the network anymore so uh you have one of the coolest machines that i've trained with uh this is um i've trained on this machine a handful of times and then this week I've trained on it twice. And I tell you what, when I'm using it, my body feels so good, structurally solid. Um, it's one of those things where I didn't realize where I had weaknesses until I trained with this. And then I noticed for the days following,

Starting point is 00:06:05 after training with the NuFit system, that it's like, oh, my knees feel more solid. My elbows, my shoulders, my hips, my core, everything feels way more solid. During the session, I can definitely feel myself activating throughout my entire body. But then what I noticed for the days following is that all my movements, um, I'm activating my muscles a lot, lot better. Um, and everything feels smoother and easier. And when I lift outside of the new fit sessions, I feel a lot better. So, uh, thanks for doing this. And then also, uh, I've enjoyed training with danielle who just puts me through the paces because i've been i'll slack on my own a little bit and then she takes no prisoners no no she's like when's the last time you you squatted with a barbell i go that's been

Starting point is 00:06:55 a couple months i mean i've been doing squats but not with a barbell and she goes okay next time i know we're doing drop sets super sets and drop sets sets. I'm like, oh, fuck. Here we go. It was fun. It was fun. So, yeah, you went from like inventor, scientist guy to having – now you have a clinic. You're running a business. You're wearing a lot of hats.

Starting point is 00:07:23 And this is brand new this is one thing i one of the things i love about being in austin is is there's so much cutting edge shit happening here um uh this is this is one of the things that i'm looking forward to you guys spreading out even further but was it i think we met three years ago, three years ago. And I think you were just getting on the scene. You're growing little by little, but I think this needs to be in every city. Amen. That's what's keeping us from having this in San Diego. That's what I want to know. San Diego is as of this recording, one of the few metropolitan areas that does not have at least one practitioner. So hopefully soon. What the fuck, San Diego?

Starting point is 00:08:09 So, yeah, tell us about what makes this. This is when I first saw it, it looked like just E-stem. It looked like what I see a lot of athletes put on their bodies after they train to help recover, all this kind of stuff. But after talking to you, you go, no, it's different. It's running a direct current and it stimulates the body while training. Yeah. Tell me about that. So there's definitely some differences in the current and the effects on the body. To me, what you touched on in your introduction is really the most meaningful and the most powerful piece of all of this. Because you talked about how after using this, your joints felt better.

Starting point is 00:08:53 You know, there wasn't any pain in your knees and your shoulders. And you felt like your muscles were activating better even for a few days after the session. And what that tells me is that we are actually doing what we're intending to do, which is communicate with your nervous system in a way that's going to create adaptations, create changes in neuromuscular patterning, and have effects that you just don't get with traditional e-stem. And traditional electrical stimulation is really based on wanting to cause muscles to contract and create motor output, just the same as if you go to the gym and you do reps and there's value in that. And over time, after thousands or tens of thousands of reps, you start to see positive changes in movement, assuming you're doing things well, positive changes in movement patterns and adaptations and structural changes. You get more muscle, your connective tissue gets stronger. You build, you know, reinforce and build good movement patterns again, if you're doing things appropriately. And, you know, you see those

Starting point is 00:09:49 things happen, but when you use traditional e-stem, you're basically just having the machine do it for you. And it's the same type of time course. And during that interim period, you're kind of dependent on the machine to do the work for you. Whereas with this, we're tapping into the nervous system in a different way. So it's a true form of neuromuscular re-education, something for any of the practitioners out there to kind of be able to understand where we're coming from, where we're sending signals into your nervous system so that we're teaching you how to better activate your own muscles, so that we're teaching you to engage the muscles of your quads and

Starting point is 00:10:24 hamstrings and hips so that your knees feel better. Because when your muscles are turned on, they're like cushions or shock absorbers that protect your joints. And when they're turned on appropriately for a few days after the session, your joints feel better for those few days. And if you do it again within that few days, you start to build, you start to instill this pattern where it becomes, you it becomes your new default. Nothing's permanent, good or bad. It's not like you do it once and you get the benefit forever. You do have to keep doing it to some degree,

Starting point is 00:10:56 but it allows you to get those benefits in such bigger chunks and so much more efficiently than with more traditional methods and more traditional technologies. Yeah, I know that I've watched it myself. I've worked with so many athletes and what I've learned about the human body is when we get injured, there's a compensation. Say I sprained my ankle or twisted or something like that. I might spend weeks afterwards, not flexing my ankle and letting my knee dive in a little bit. And then all of a sudden I start creating this, this, uh, this motor pattern that's that's

Starting point is 00:11:25 going to lead to other injuries as well and it's and it's a weaker pattern and then even though the joint may heal or heal enough a lot of times that new pattern that is weaker becomes the dominant pattern and so that's that's the hardest thing with you talked about what you call it neuromuscular re-education that's i never heard that term. That sounds awesome. But it makes perfect sense because what's happening is – I know for my own body is I've jacked up my shoulders several times over, and then also spending a lot of time at computers working and always, always trying to do exercises. I'm always doing corrective exercises. That makes up so much of my training now, um, is to try to make sure that my, that I'm building really positive motor patterns. When I get older, I find it's getting more and more challenging. I have to spend way more time on corrective exercise

Starting point is 00:12:29 and less time on just going hard. And one of the things I've really appreciated about what's happening in here is I can go hard. I can load up the bar. I can squat. I can press. And all my muscles are firing the way they're supposed to. And I can also feel where something's not been firing, but it is today.

Starting point is 00:12:49 And so now it's getting a lot stronger. So that, uh, I think that's the most important thing that's happening, but that's the thing that makes sense to me the most about this whole thing is I'm actually learning how to move better. And I feel like I'm getting a cheat code in here. That's what I love about 2019. There's cheat codes everywhere, right? So I was talking to Danielle.

Starting point is 00:13:14 She said that this is where it really shines is rehab. So can you talk about rehab versus – I mean, I'm not really rehabbing from any major injuries i'm pretty i'm very healthy i don't really have much pain in my body at all but when i'm training with it i'm going wow there's obvious benefit here our friend adam von roffelder he says he comes in twice a week he's a he's one of the best movers i've ever seen in my life. When you watch that guy move, holy fucking shit. Yeah. I kickboxed with him the other day, and just watching him move.

Starting point is 00:13:52 By the way, most powerful push kick around. Did he kick you? No, no, no. He kicked Mark. He kicked my buddy. He was holding the pad. I'm too green for that shit. But when you watch that guy move, it's like, this guy is like an animal. And he still comes in twice

Starting point is 00:14:14 a week and goes, yeah, it keeps my body moving the way it's supposed to. I'm like, if you're using this, I know this is going to help optimize. So can you talk about how it helps people from that may have just a hard time walking all the way up to the really elite athlete? So what you touched on is, I think, the best way to introduce this where you're talking about you have these injuries, you had a surgery, and the body makes all these compensations around it. And I like to think of it as, you know, it's like many things in life. It's not always as much about what happens to us as it is about how we respond to it. And, you know, in the case of injury, I mean, obviously if something's broken, you need to fix it. You know, I'm not saying we don't care about structural damage or things like that. But a lot of times, the real issues that we deal with, particularly that are lingering after the injury is healed with different types of pain, different things, a lot of times, the real issue is in how the body responds to that trauma.

Starting point is 00:15:22 And so this is a really powerful principle and, you know, something that we really need to dive into here. And a lot of times in life, a lot of times when we have these problems, these issues in bodily movement and pain and stiffness and reduced strength or inhibition, a lot of times these are patterns that are actively imposed on the body as a protective mechanism because the brain thinks, oh, I got hurt there. I need to tighten up and protect everything around that. And sometimes that pattern can get stuck there for weeks or months or years, even after the original insult has healed or the injury has healed. And sometimes the brain will get into a pattern of saying, oh, I don't want to load that leg or that ankle, or, you know, I want to keep more weight on this side of the body or something like that

Starting point is 00:16:07 as a response to these traumas. And a lot of times when you, when you go to train or you have a movement practice, like, you know, even Adam with his wonderful, beautiful, powerful movement practice, you know, a lot of times it's a little bit of an uphill battle because you're having to fight against these underlying patterns wherein the body is trying to limit output in certain areas and protect itself and shift the load to other muscles or other joints. And you are fighting that uphill battle. It's taking extra energy to kind of overcome this pattern. If you have excessive stiffness, for example, it's taking extra energy to kind of overcome this pattern. You know, if you have excessive stiffness, for example, it's just like if you're driving your car,

Starting point is 00:16:48 you're hitting the throttle and the brake pedal at the same time, you're just wasting some energy overcoming that extra resistance. And so one of the things that we're able to do, for example, is scan around on the body and find exactly where some of those aberrations are, where the body has, you know, deviated from optimal function, whether it's too tight, it's not, not enough activation of certain muscles. Yeah. I mean, as a coach, I mean, I've been studying movement for over 20 years and I can just look at somebody walking down the street and I can spot what's going on. And even with myself, I know where there's, where my, my movement patterns could be better. And a lot of times when I'm squatting, I'm so hyper focused on, okay, I know

Starting point is 00:17:31 this glute doesn't fire as well. My right glute doesn't fire off like my left glute does. I need to like really put a lot of attention there. I've got a lot of attention to my breath and there's so much of my focus going to that, that yeah, it's just, there's a lot happening there. Um, and I know what I'm doing and most people, and there's a lot of things that I can see, but there's all the things I can't see. There's all like, I think I can, I can see a lot more than most coaches and I'm still not seeing all of it because I, the scan you're talking about was, I think you scanned me a few years ago and I was like, oh all of it. Because the scan you're talking about, because I think you scanned me a few years ago and I was like, oh yeah, there's all these.

Starting point is 00:18:08 I was like, that actually makes sense. But there was no way I was going to find that through watching myself. We found some shoulder stuff on you, right? Yeah. I remember that. Yeah. And it's interesting because we can see,

Starting point is 00:18:21 as skilled coaches, we can see, you know, as, as skilled coaches, you know, we can see certain things. And even if we know exactly what the first domino is, so to speak, you know, which is, which is tough to do. But even if we know that, then the question becomes, how do we correct it? And so we get into this conversation again of, you know, it can take thousands and thousands of reps of corrective exercise to instill a new pattern in the body. And sometimes, you know, that's the way that, the way that people do it. Well, I mean, you're talking about finding the first domino. I remember, um, before I had, when I, I discovered I had hernias about five years ago and that's pretty much the last, the last injury i had before i stopped competing and

Starting point is 00:19:05 before before i discovered i had uh three hernias it was a shoulder problem and it was a hip problem and this is before we met we met after this but i i was like oh my shoulders really bother me i was like fuck it i you know i gotta train through pain and this is just what it's like to be an athlete, which is, you know, if you want to be a high level athlete, there's going to be days where you're just training through stuff. But, um, like my hip was bothering me, my shoulder was bothering me and I was just, you know, toughing it out. And I was, you know, mentally I was, I was dominating the body and getting right through it. But looking back on it, I still have no idea where that first domino would have been because was it an ankle that caused something? My glute not to fire, which caused me to shift my weight, which then when I'm doing jerks, it's causing my shoulder – one shoulder to – one oblique is not firing like the other one. And one shoulder is dropping, and now that's causing neck and shoulder pain.

Starting point is 00:20:05 Like where the fuck is the first domino? I don't know. I don't know what happened first. That's a great question. And so, I mean, ultimately, if we haven't been with someone for that long, we can't necessarily say what happened first. But what we can do is say, scan around on the body. This is where the biggest problems are right now and this is where we're going to start. The area of greatest need, if you will, or greatest restriction on the body. This is where the biggest problems are right now. And this is where we're going to start the area of greatest need, if you will, or greatest restriction in

Starting point is 00:20:29 the body. And by working on those, you know, a lot of times we're able to see profound changes. And, you know, instead of that typical approach of saying, okay, we're going to need, you know, weeks or months of this corrective exercise, you know, sometimes in one session or just a few sessions by giving the body the right inputs and changing those patterns. It's like a cheat code hacking into the software, like you said. A lot of times you'll see those changes happen just almost impossibly quickly. And it's, you know, it's not enough time to build new muscle or heal anything that was broken. So it's obviously just a change in function. And when we see it happen, you know, it's, it's, it's really cool. Um, one of my favorite examples of this is, you know, we've seen this many times. I was just at a, at a university

Starting point is 00:21:11 in the Midwest and one of their strength coaches, just the most recent example, he had, uh, hit, you know, quote unquote, thrown out his back. So he was hobbling around. Man, I haven't heard that term in a long time. That's what happens when you get educated. It's kind of like, I got – what do the people say? They not throw out their arm, but there's another general term for – Well, when people say the rotator cuff. Rotator cuff. Oh, it's my rotator cuff. I'm like, do you know what that is?

Starting point is 00:21:43 I said, quote, unquote, throw out your back for the record. I just want to play it back for the record. I just hadn't heard that in a while. That's good. You're working directly with clients who walk in and do this shit, huh? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so, yeah, no one, for the most part, really throws anything out.

Starting point is 00:21:59 But what happens is I think this is a great example of everything that we're talking about, of not as much about what happens to us as it is about how we respond to it. Because this strength coach, for example, he was hobbling around. I wish we had the video because I'm going to act it out here. But he's hobbling around, resting, having to kind of have his hands on his thighs to support his torso as he walks. And he can't move more than – he's hunched over, can't move more than 5 or 10 degrees in either direction.

Starting point is 00:22:24 And he's in 8 or nine out of 10 pain. He had tried four or five days worth of treatment in the athletic training room to calm things down, only made a few percentage points worth of progress. And we do our scanning process with him. We find spots in the psoas, glute medius, paraspinals. Um, and we work on. Ten minutes later, all of a sudden, he's going down, he's touching his toes, he's 80% or 90% better just by breaking that pattern. So him, obviously, there wasn't a disc that had herniated and the material was impinging on the spinal cord. It's an impossibly short period of time to fix something like that. The problem was the spasms and the protective reactions that his body had in response to the initial insult or threat.

Starting point is 00:23:11 And he was just so locked in those patterns that, you know, he couldn't break them until we've, we found exactly where they were and found a way to tap in and repattern or reprogram. Yeah. That's one thing I've noticed after these sessions is more flexibility. Awesome. Which it's counterintuitive. It's like we're going in and we're going to use these electrical impulses to shorten the muscle. But I mean, one of the things I've learned about flexibility and being able to lengthen

Starting point is 00:23:42 the muscle is it has way more to do with the nervous system than a muscle actually being short. And a lot of times, and you can correct me if I'm wrong or if you see it differently. I'd love to hear if you do, which is a lot of what's happening with the fascia, where the fascia is getting wound is actually the nervous system is causing that winding to happen. What do you think about that? So just real quick, that is what you're talking about is one of the biggest differences between this technology and traditional electrical stimulation, which traditional e-stem is virtually always going to be causing muscles to contract, whereas this can preferentially

Starting point is 00:24:20 lengthen and relax muscles. So a little bit of a different opportunity to, or an opportunity to do things differently with the body, which you're, I think you're touching on one of the, one of the biggest reasons that people, you know, have pain and movement dysfunction. One of the biggest reasons they'd come in to see people like us or, or, you know, a physical therapist or a chiropractor or their general practice doctor, this tension both in fascia and muscle. And a lot of times it is a protective response where fascia is innervated, muscles are, of course, are innervated. And whenever the nervous system perceives threat, whenever it thinks like, oh, we can't move past this point. We can't go here because we'll get hurt. It creates excessive tension to protect you.

Starting point is 00:25:08 It says, no, I don't want you moving there. So I'm going to tighten up and prevent you from moving there so that you don't get hurt. And it's like an overbearing parent or something. And the reason— The helicopter parent? That's right, yeah. There's a new one. I forget the name.

Starting point is 00:25:26 Are you familiar with the new ones? The new term for that? No, no. There's like a parent that's even worse than the helicopter parents. Oh. Fuck, I can't remember the name. All right, sorry. Go ahead.

Starting point is 00:25:35 I don't know. The Venus flytrap parent. Gotcha. Locked in there. Just wanted to let you out. I don't know where that came from. So these protective reactions a lot of times are a response to an injury, for example. If you tear a muscle, we've got a couple of examples in here of big powerlifters or bodybuilders who, you know, torn pec muscle, for example.

Starting point is 00:26:06 You know, one guy we worked with, his muscle was just all black and blue, gnarly and nasty. And normally it would be eight or 10 weeks to heal. And part of the reason it takes so long to heal is that these protective reactions, the body's tightening up around that. And of course, that's good if, you know, if that tissue is going to get attacked or someone's going to poke and prod it, you know, that's good. But it's counterproductive for healing and movement. And in many ways, that excessive tension actually slows down the healing process.

Starting point is 00:26:37 The body gets in its own way because it's blocking the flow of blood and nutrients in there, the raw materials. Do you think that was helpful during a time where we were hunting and gathering and all that shit where it was like, oh, yeah, you got to keep moving. But maybe we need to take care of this. But in today's world, you know, really, you know, you hurt yourself on the fucking pack deck. You didn't hurt yourself hunting,

Starting point is 00:26:55 you know, antelope. And, uh, you can go back to your desk job and, and rest up. Do you think that's what's going on? I think, I think I've,

Starting point is 00:27:04 I've had this thought many, many times that we're actually using modern technology to advance all the way back to how we did things before any of this shit came up. Exactly. I mean, if you sprain your ankle as a caveman, you can't sit there for three weeks because you're going to get eaten. Or if you make the tribe carry you. You're going to fucking starve to death. Yeah. If you make people carry you, you're going to slow everyone down. And you you're going to get eaten. Or if you make the tribe carry you. You're going to fucking starve to death. Yeah. If you make people carry you, you're going to slow everyone down. And you're not going to get laid.

Starting point is 00:27:29 No. You're not going to get laid because the lady's going after the biggest hunter. That's right. I learned that from a movie. And then the whole species is fucked, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um, so there, you have to, you know, as early, early humans would have had to presumably move, even though it was painful and uncomfortable, you have to kind of move through it. And nowadays, you know, we want to keep people comfortable.

Starting point is 00:27:57 And so we don't necessarily do that in traditional physical therapy or chiropractic practice. But with this approach and this technology, we can. We can help people restore movement, more normal, more optimal function very, very quickly. So we're just basically getting rid of the influences that are blocking and slowing down the healing process so that it can go at its natural rate, which, funny enough, is so much faster than we think. It almost seems miraculous, but really it's just the body doing its thing without shit getting in the way. Yeah. So this leads us into the next bit of the conversation I want to get into, which is I'm here for PaleoFacts.

Starting point is 00:28:44 That's one of the things I'm here for. I'm here for a whole month in Austin. And I was talking to one of my business partners this morning, and we got in a conversation about how are we biologically making it in this urban environment where everyone's getting more and more urban i go you know i think this is exactly where there's one reasons i really love paleo effects is the conversation is how do we take we have this ancestral uh understanding of where the body is coming from and then we're we're bringing it into a modern environment we're not escaping i mean most people are not escaping the modern environment.

Starting point is 00:29:26 I know some people who have said, fuck this, and they move into the mountains, and you rarely hear from them. Or, you know, they come to town every once in a while. Or they move down to Costa Rica or Thailand or Bali, and they're out. You know, they still have an internet connection. Come on.

Starting point is 00:29:43 But, yeah, there's, do you see this? Do you think using things like this? I mean, I see this as something that's going to become more and more necessary as we live in boxes. We just go from one square to the next square to the next square. And the body is supposed to have a lot more stimulus than that in order to keep operating. Yeah. And think about all the types of stimuli that we would have as, you know, early humans, you know, we would even as simple as we would have to, you know, a couple of times a day, we'd have to squat in order to defecate. So we, you know, we'd be down in a full squat

Starting point is 00:30:21 to release poop, you know, a couple of times a day. We'd probably reach up into trees to pick fruit. We'd get a lot of time in those positions just missing out on those simple full squat and arms overhead, brachiating or hanging from the hands. Missing out on those two things, I think, is two of the main reasons why we have so many musculoskeletal issues today. And so, and then walking on flat ground, you know, where the buildings that we're in, I mean, there's no irregular surfaces. Made everything flat. Yeah. So we're missing out on that input. So there's, you know, there's some prerequisite stimulation that the nervous system and the brain need to be healthy, both movement-wise and also, I would suggest, psychologically and cognitively and in many other areas. And so this technology is a way to fill in those gaps and to do it very efficiently in a know, can kind of jive with our modern lives. Yeah. I mean, I imagine too, even, even if we did have a lot of stimulus, I mean, if you look at a

Starting point is 00:31:30 caveman or who's like 60, they probably developed some type of asymmetry in their body or throwing us, they're always just throwing a spear with their right hand, switch hitter, spear thrower yeah that's interesting are you doing Paleo FX? yeah we'll be there we'll be right on the strength and conditioning floor got our booth shock people up

Starting point is 00:31:56 how fun is that? these people aren't expecting this they walk in the door they want to see what new supplements are out by the way there's too many supplements these people aren't expecting this. They walk in the door. They want to see what new supplements are out. By the way, there's too many supplements out there. There's a lot. The nice thing is there's a lot of free samples of food.

Starting point is 00:32:17 I make out like a fucking bandit. I'll tell you what. Last year, I think there was two different places serving ribeye. They were grilling it up outside. And it was like a meat delivery company. I hope they're there this year. I went out there on Sunday and they go, we have plenty. Take as much as you want. And not only was it grass-fed ribeye, it was some of the best ribeye I'd ever had.

Starting point is 00:32:43 I'm just picking it up at a off a grill over it you know in the back of paleo effects wow yeah yeah here's to more of that this year snack central um yeah what do you think's gonna be there this year we got last year was the year of so last year was the year of cbd yeah. A lot of the year before that was collagen. Yeah. So what's, what's this year? Is it going to be all keto? Probably. That's the thing, huh? All right. So, so how, how fun is it to, someone walks in, they're going to see someone talk, they're going to do this or that. And then they meet, they meet Garrett and You're like, come check out my machine. To me, the first time I got put on, I was like, oh, shit.

Starting point is 00:33:32 What is this? It's an experience. It's kind of cool because we see this pattern where in the beginning, people may walk walk by, may not necessarily know what it is or feel the need to stop. And, you know, you got to spend seven or eight minutes trying it out. So it's a little bit of an investment compared to just grabbing a food sample. And so, you know, we'll get a few people in the beginning and then all of a sudden they'll bring their friends and they'll bring their friends. And, you know, by the second, third day, there's a line and, you line and people want to try it out. And I had an experience actually at the – so not at Paleo FX, but at the Bulletproof Conference. Okay. So you do that one too.

Starting point is 00:34:12 Yeah. So we had a great experience there where this was in – It's a different crowd. There's some overlap. Some overlap. There's some overlap and some differences. It's like the Venn diagram. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:24 I actually would enjoy watching people at Bulletproof go through your system more than Paleo. It was a good – that was definitely a good cultural fit, if you will. I mean, obviously, people are so into technology and ways to leverage technology to make themselves better. They're a little less in the movement generally. Yeah. So I think they could use more help. Like if you put this on them, they're going to go be lit up more. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:55 You find them being like, holy shit. Yeah. So this one example actually is a great story. We saw a guy at the most recent conference, and he came up to us and he said, oh my gosh, the treatment you did at the last conference a little over a year ago, the treatment you did on my back has had me feeling better for the last year than I have in the previous 15 years. What? The one treatment. And so, you know, people, a lot of times don't expect that they come to

Starting point is 00:35:23 a conference and they're like, you know, a little demo helps their shoulder or their back feel better. And so they get excited and bring their friends. And it's I mean, it's so fun to share that with people. And that's the goal of all this is is to empower people to know that you don't have to rely on this drug or this surgery. You don't have to live in pain like that. There's there's ways to there's solutions out there. There's ways to improve. There's, there's reason to have hope. Yeah. I don't get as frustrated as I used to about this. Um, because I've learned that people are going to get to their shit on their own timeline, but you're, you're more in direct

Starting point is 00:36:02 con. I'm out there. I'm out here just giving advice to anyone who's going to download this shit. You're interacting with clients all the time. How many people are coming to you and it's like, this is like their last ditch thing or I tried a dozen other things and I'm finally here.

Starting point is 00:36:19 And this, to me, this is the least invasive thing. Why is it that people try all these invasive things and then they come into something that's way less than like uh like the side effects here there really aren't any negative side effects here but people your muscles might get sore your muscle you might have to do something you might get sore but is it frustrating for people like oh i tried all this thing i had this surgery finally, I ended up here and now it feels better. So that has been, you know, part of the dynamic here for a while. At least, you know, it's been

Starting point is 00:36:55 over 10 years of doing this type of work. And in the beginning it was that, cause I mean, no one knew who I was when I just had a little space in the back of some chiropractor's office. And so it was that type of situation. I've been to 10 between doctors and physical therapists and other chiropractors and I've tried all this. And thankfully, we were able to help enough of those people that they would tell their friends and it started to catch on organically. But this speaks to the kind of weird paradigm in which we live where, quote unquote, alternative medicine is things like nutrition and movement practice and some of the stuff that we're doing, which is the least side effect, the lowest risk, the least invasive stuff that I think, based on common sense, it seems like a reasonable thing to try first, and yet it's considered

Starting point is 00:37:51 alternative, whereas drugs and sometimes surgeries. But my insurance. But my insurance. It's so expensive if it's not covered, but my people are funny. Yeah. People. Yeah. That's a very, it's a, I mean, it's a very real concern. You gotta, if you're going to ask someone to pay for something out of their own pocket, you darn sure have to provide value to them. And, you know, thankfully we're able to do that for the most part, but yeah, that's, that's a real consideration. Our medical system's all,

Starting point is 00:38:40 in my opinion, medical system's all fucked up because of insurance because it doesn't cover the things that are really beneficial but covers drugs and surgeries that could be potentially the most harmful but may not cover something like this. I don't know if insurance does cover this kind of stuff, what you're doing or if if you're working on that, or if that's something that's already happening, I just don't know about. And I mean, insurance companies could save a lot of money by probably working with this type of technology instead of doing whatever the fuck they're doing. But a system is set up in a way that is, I think it's set up against the average consumer who doesn't understand. I mean, it's the same person who's just buying whatever happens to be at the grocery store. Yeah. I mean, we just look at as simple as on the grocery store front. A lot of times it's as simple as look where all the subsidies go and where the financial incentives are to eat very you know, very cheap, mass-produced,

Starting point is 00:39:26 highly processed foods and look where that's gotten us. I think the same, you know, spills over a little bit into the medical world. Same people making decisions for one or making decisions for the other. Yeah. I've come to understand that a lot of, you was younger, I looked at it through the just kind of overly simplistic good and evil lens. Oh, yeah. Now I understand that. Conspiracy theories? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:39:54 Are you getting into conspiracy theories at all? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I can't do it anymore. I mean, I understand that people, even in the traditional medical system, if they're doing things that I may not necessarily agree with philosophically or in practice, at least I've come to believe that they're well-meaning. They're trying to help people. It's just a lot of times the system, the foundational paradigm from which they're working is just different. It's a different perspective. And we were talking about perspective before we got on the air here.

Starting point is 00:40:27 And I don't think it's as much about – I mean, certainly there's financial motivations for certain people. But the way that it's set up and the things that people are thinking about and focusing on are just – I don't know, the priorities and the focus is a little off. I just think it's too big. The machine has gotten so centralized and so big that you have a bunch of people who are out of touch with what's really happening. I mean, I mean,

Starting point is 00:40:56 you look at, I don't normally get political, but that, I mean, you look at DC and there's the most Washington DC, there's more money in Washington, D.C. There's more money in that town than anywhere else in the whole country. Why is that happening?

Starting point is 00:41:25 And those are the people that are making decisions that impact our health, that impact what's in the grocery store, impact what insurance companies are going to cover, what's going to be, what's required, what's not required. And I, uh, I just had some friends that they were up in Maryland and they, they were like, it's a different kind of person that lives up there. Like there's, there's like, there's, there's, there's a different thing happening there. Um, so I don't think there's, I'm not conspiratorial at all, but I do do i do think they're doing the best they can but i think it's out of touch with with reality um i was in uh i've been i'm i'm always in these like deep rabbit holes that's just where i live and um um i said uh we rented a house in Mueller here in Austin. Yeah, and where we're staying used to be the old airport.

Starting point is 00:42:11 So they basically just bulldozed everything and then put in all these homes. And everything's within walking distance. There's a cinema. There's a grocery store. There's an HEB, right? So a couple, two, three days a week, I wake up in the morning and I take my backpack. Does everyone know what HEB is? That's our Texas, big Texas grocer. That's right. It's a, yeah, it's a, it's a typical grocery store. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:37 Like it's, it's a, I guess regular, would you call it a regular grocery store? Yeah. It's not, it's not low end, it's not high end, it's not Whole Foods, but it's not like, what would be a a regular grocery store yeah it's not it's not low-end it's not high-end it's not whole foods but it's not like what would be a low-end grocery store fuck i don't even know i live in a bubble i live in a bubble in in california like i live in a bubble inside of a bubble where i go to grocery stores where you can't you wouldn't be able to get regular meat it's only grass-fed, only wild-caught. Like they're just not even – I barely even have to look. Or if I go to a restaurant, it would be weird if it wasn't grass-fed beef.

Starting point is 00:43:14 So when I travel, I'm always – it like puts me – it's good. I love traveling because it helps remind me of what I was in Virginia recently and a deal when Virginia, this tiny town, uh, one of my business partners has, that's where he grew up. And I walk into a food line there and I, I walked around it two or three times looking for food that I was willing to eat. And I finally was like, wow, I'm just going to have to do, like I had to like scan and go, okay, I'm just going to have to do the least amount of damage here. So what's the best, like I did like a first scan

Starting point is 00:43:55 and I got really frustrated and I go, fuck, I can't eat anything here. And I go, okay, I'm here for a week. Let's get some food. I did like another round. It was three rounds. And I go, okay, I'm here for a week. Let's get some food. I did like another round. It was three rounds. I did another round where I basically got some things and then realized at the end of the second round that there wasn't enough food in my basket for the week. And I go, well, I'm going to have to go down another layer.

Starting point is 00:44:23 And then, you know, I'm looking around the store and there's a lot of people who look terrible. They look really unhealthy and i go you know what it's not really you know their fault necessarily i mean technically it is everyone has a choice you can you could leave you could whatever but if you don't even know there's an alternative but yeah you don't even know so it's like like i i have this whole philosophy which is it's not your fault but but it is your responsibility. So I'm not going to blame you for it. But if you now have this information and you choose to keep doing this, you're able to respond to the situation once you have the information. As soon as you know.

Starting point is 00:45:00 As soon as you're no longer in the dark once you've been shown the light, so to speak. Yeah. So it's like, so I'm not going to, so it, it helps me be, I guess you'd call it nonjudgmental. It's like, oh, they just don't know. It's not their fault. This is how they were raised as the environment. They don't know any better. Fine. But yeah, but yeah, you are responsible.

Starting point is 00:45:21 If you're listening to this show, got to get with it. You know. But your audience is a little above average, at least in knowledge and many of these areas. They are. So I go to H-E-B. At first, I didn't think I was going to like it. I love it. I go first thing in the morning, like 6.30, 7 a.m. And there's some interesting people there.

Starting point is 00:45:49 It's like a study. I look at what's in people's carts and it's just, it motivates me. It really motivates me. I get to go into the store and go, okay, my job's not done yet. There's a lot more people to reach. There's a lot. Anyways to reach there's a lot anyways i don't know why i'm down this rabbit i'm probably talking about this because that's that's been my experience this week and that's important i had to talk about at some point yeah it's an important i mean you know as much as as much as we have the privilege of learning from the people we know and there's so many so many people out there that don't have the privilege of learning from the people we know. And there's so many, so many people out there that don't have the privilege of, of hearing this information. And like you said, there's still,

Starting point is 00:46:30 still a lot more work to be done. Yeah. What motivated you to get into this field? That's, you know, kind of a similar experience where I grew up. You're an HEB. Saw someone moving like shit when they were picking up their soda. That's right. I just said, that's enough. No more. I played ice hockey. I grew up in Chicago. I loved the sport, but I just wasn't very good at it. I wasn't a natural athlete.

Starting point is 00:47:02 I was more of a nerdy not not a surprise now knowing me for people who know me but yeah more of a like you look you're like one of those athletic nerds yeah yeah like you kind of straddle both worlds you can you actually have good posture so yeah i've been able to correct for some things over the years but um so i just you know i actually So I just – I actually – my entry portal into this was really strength and conditioning. And I just became totally enamored with the idea that through training, I could change myself, that I could turn myself into an athlete. I could make myself stronger, faster, bigger, better, and all these things. And, you know, I eventually, uh, well, initially I, I was a little bit frustrated cause I did a lot of, you know, what I now learned was more kind of powerlifting strength hypertrophy work. So I got better in the gym, didn't necessarily

Starting point is 00:47:58 translate onto the ice until I learned later on that, you know, other traits and speed and the nervous system and other things. But I still had this kind of passion for physiology. And then I had some injuries along the way. And so at one point, I thought I was going to go pre-med and become a doctor or something in the medical profession. But my initial experiences with traditional physical therapy, traditional orthopedic doctors just left me, I'd say, disenfranchised. I felt like, I didn't have the words for it at the time, but I felt like I have, and that all of us as human beings have this kind of innate power and potential to heal and grow and change

Starting point is 00:48:39 and adapt and recover from trauma, regenerate. And the approach I saw was, you're going to need this brace, this pill, this surgery. It was very disempowering. And I didn't really have the words to describe it at the time, but I didn't feel good. I just saw nothing but dead ends for myself there. And so I thought I was going to become an engineer. I ended up majoring in physics in college and I, um, I just, you know, thought that's, that's what I was gonna do. I like problem solving, you know, like kind of intellectual challenge of, of engineering. Uh, and then I had an experience where my last year, you know, in college, I ended up being a practice squad hockey player, you know, For me, even that was an accomplishment. I had an experience where I had some torn ligaments in my wrist.

Starting point is 00:49:29 I was supposed to have surgery and be out for a few months. I met a functional neurologist. A guy, originally a chiropractor, went through this advanced neurology training. Working with him, I was able to heal the ligaments in two weeks instead of three months, avoid surgery. It was just a big light bulb, eureka moment for me. And I, you know, just changed the course of what I was doing with my life when I saw that, oh, my gosh, there is a better way. And that's what first kind of exposed me to the power of the nervous system. That's what inspired me, you know, to kind of start down this path.

Starting point is 00:50:08 I was still set to come down here to the University of Texas in Austin for engineering school. Well, I want to note something real quick. Yeah. Is I know being in this field for as long as I have, between myself and athletes I know, I watch a lot of people that go to the doctor that have an issue, and they just get one opinion. Go see three or four doctors at least to get different opinions on. Because if you're seeing a surgeon, their job is to cut you open.

Starting point is 00:50:40 They got a hammer. You're the nail, and that's all that's going to happen. Surgeries are a lot of times necessary. I've had to have surgeries where there really wasn't another option. But people should investigate more options like you did. Absolutely. And so I was already set to come down here to engineering school, and instead of staying in the lab and doing research over the summer like I was supposed to, I went and did a little apprenticeship.

Starting point is 00:51:09 And as I got more and more into the foundational pieces that now inform our work, I just decided, you know what, I have a passion for this. Now I see an avenue through which I could potentially maybe make a career out of this. And so as I was finishing up engineering school, I ended up opening a facility here. I rented this small, you know, 200 or so square feet in the back of a chiropractor's office and started using earlier versions of electrical stimulation technology, using methods I had learned from a few different people under whom I mentored and apprenticed. I did hundreds of hours of self study. As I got deeper and deeper into this, I ended up going back to UT here for a PhD program

Starting point is 00:51:51 in neuroscience, motor control, neuroscience, motor control within the kinesiology department. And I'm technically on a leave of absence. I haven't finished that yet. I can't claim myself to be a doctor at this point. But it just kind of sent me on this quest. And in parallel, I was in that chiropractor's office working with clients and kind of became a coach clinician type of person, uh, for, for, you know, for many years. And as things evolved, eventually the limiting factor became the, the technology itself. And so, uh, I've started working with some electrical engineers to develop this and, um, you know, went through a couple of years of development and the regulatory approvals and all that stuff.

Starting point is 00:52:43 And, you know, finally, finally got this out there. So it's been cool to see it, see how it's evolved over the years. And just, you know, it's really rewarding to see, you know, we had grown this business here in Austin, which thankfully had done a lot of good for a lot of people, was, you know, growing by word of mouth because of the types of outcomes and results that we've been getting. And to be able to share that with other people around the country has just been extremely gratifying to see them be able to get the same types of outcomes, be able to help people in their communities, be able to, you know, for us to partner with them to grow the reach of this work

Starting point is 00:53:25 has just been, been very, very exciting and rewarding. And, you know, leaves me with a profound sense of humility and gratitude to see how it's all happening. I want to hear about, um, some, some of the stuff, some of the people you work with on the rehab side, cause I've seen some, I've heard some story and I've stories and I've seen some people that look like they could barely walk when they're in here. And I've heard that you guys do really well with getting results that people are not getting in traditional physical therapy. And the other thing is, is I don't know how many, if you have any physical therapists in here but i know i've been working with danielle she's not a pt and but like i'm getting i'm getting better results with that than i would with than a lot of physical therapy i'd gotten in the past and

Starting point is 00:54:16 what's it take to get is there a certification um yeah all those because i my friend matt has one of these in uh la um oh yeah i know he plays with it so cooper yeah oh yeah i hope you're listening coop yeah he probably is listening big shout out he's he's fabulous yeah i'm a fan of him yeah he's a good dude um so yeah what's it like what's what's the rehab potential on this and i imagine there's there's likely some stuff you can't say i don't know if you can make i know that anytime you start getting around claims what's what's the rehab potential on this and i imagine there's there's likely some stuff you can't say i don't know if you can make i know that anytime you start getting around claims around things it gets a little funky but i mean is there any uh instances where people made really great progress from a rehab perspective yeah absolutely so uh i'll reverse chronological

Starting point is 00:55:02 order i'll just um the people who are using this, you know, it's used in a variety of facilities around the country, sometimes private practice, physical therapy, or chiropractic, sometimes other medical offices, sometimes, uh, gyms or fitness facilities will have them. It is a, it's an FDA cleared device. And so there's some regulation around it. So like if someone, if, you know, if someone with a fitness background is using it, they would have to have a medical director. And so a lot of times, you know, chiropractors or other medical professionals who are using it will hire an assistant or a trainer or a massage therapist or someone

Starting point is 00:55:42 to learn this and operate it within their business. And as long as it's under that person's license and there's oversight or supervision, you know, that that's, that's okay. But that is one of the things that just, it's really kind of goes with the territory when you're using a device as powerful as this, there's some, some regulations around it. And in terms of some of what we've seen, that's been one of the most rewarding things about this is that, you know, I initially, having come from the background of athletics and initially working more with athletes and just kind of being in that world, that was where I started and where I could see it going.

Starting point is 00:56:17 Because people knew that we were taking a more neurological approach, even to issues that were traditionally thought of as just orthopedic or, you know, more physical. We were thinking more neurologically. So over the years, some people found us with more, you know, traditional neurological issues like spinal cord injuries or brain injuries. And so this is where, you know, in terms of making claims, like you said, you know, our device is not cleared to treat spinal cord injury, for example. But based on its power to promote neuromuscular reeducation, for example, and some of the other things they can do, combined with all of the assessment and therapeutic protocols that we have within the NuFit system, that whole approach we've seen has been able to help people with a lot of these issues, you know, achieve great

Starting point is 00:57:05 results. We've had, we've had a few people with, with MS, spinal cord injuries, and, and, you know, these issues have left them wheelchair bound. And there's several of them for whom this work has helped, you know, them get out of wheelchairs and start walking again and, you know, made some profound changes. We've had a, I think we just actually filmed and I can share with you, we can put up here in the notes, a video of a woman who had a brain injury for, she had a brain injury seven years before she started working with us. And there's a score that measures someone's ability to do activities of daily living, like transferring onto the toilet and feeding oneself and balance while walking and fall risk and things like that. And I think it's

Starting point is 00:57:54 a hundred point scale. And so in seven years since her brain injury, she had gotten from the low 20s to the low 30s. And so some progress, but slow progress. And then after seven years, getting into the low 30s, she came to see us in those first three months, she got up to a 60. And so it made a profound difference in her. And so this is, I mean, yes, it's, it's great to see, you know, people recover from chronic pain. It's great to see people recover faster from, from different injuries and surgeries. I mean, I love that. This is just different and something that I also very much love to see because it's, it's, you know, it gives people hope. It, it helps someone for whom the traditional system can't really do much and kind of leaves behind.

Starting point is 00:58:48 And I just love that story and seeing the joy it's brought to her. Even given the circumstances, especially, I mean, already very positive, wonderful person. And to see how it's even for her multiplied her joy and quality of life has been, it's been really profound and just, uh, you know, something that I love to love to see. And hopefully we'll have the opportunity to work with more people in situations like that. That's cool. I want to talk about the body scan. So you can scan the body electrically and find where there's resistance. How does that work? Where you find where muscles aren't firing as well. So we have some, some pending research that, uh, you know, hope within the next year or two to be able to talk a little bit more

Starting point is 00:59:40 definitively about, you know, some of the underlying physiology. So for now, what I'm able to share with you is kind of my theories, my understanding, which has been refined over, you know, many years, many thousands and thousands of times of doing this. So it's, I think it's somewhat battle-tested. But the basic idea is that as we scan around with an electrode, so if I have an electrode scanning around on your leg, what I'm basically doing is sending the same signals as if we're challenging those areas. You know, when it's on your arm, it's as if you're lifting your arm. When it's on your shoulder, it's as if you're stimulating all the same sensors, the same receptors in there, the joint receptors, the mechanoreceptors that sense stretch or load or movement. And it's like we had talked

Starting point is 01:00:33 about back in the beginning of our conversation, where the body's moving well, where things are working optimally, there's not going to be any need to protect and have these types of patterns. And so when the, when the body, when the nervous system and brain sense that signal, it's able to say, oh yeah, that's just, you know, that's, if we're scanning you, that's just, that's just blood. So being blood. So, you know, that's his leg, that's my leg moving. That's this moving. That's that moving. That's normal. No, no cause for concern. Whereas if we stimulate an area where you, you know, because of that previous surgery or because of an old injury, if you've been unloading an area for months or years and all of a sudden we challenge it, your brain sees that and says, whoa, that's new, that's different.

Starting point is 01:01:16 Sound the alarm bells. And you have this reaction and you've felt that how it's... Yeah. I've noticed that where it's like, oh oh i can definitely feel more on my left side oh wow that's that's contracting way hard on my right and danielle is on the machine going it's the same on both sides it's sending the same amount of power and she goes that just that just tells us that the left side needs more work or you know it needs yeah it needs more work yeah exactly and so that's that's what we're able to pick up because when you're fighting against it, that's why it feels more intense. And that tells us that you probably have imposed, actively imposed on your body from moving too far, like we talked about, or you're trying to unload certain areas, kind of stay away from loading certain areas. And being able to identify precisely where those patterns are is one of the most valuable things

Starting point is 01:02:16 you can do for someone in the rehabilitation process. Because if you're just throwing stuff at the wall, trying to see what sticks, you're going to have a lot of wasted time and effort. And particularly for, like we talked about how busy people are today, we don't have time for stuff that isn't producing results. So if you can find exactly where you need to go, find that first domino and then address it precisely, effectively, and show someone a change within one session, oh my gosh, you have their attention. And for the most part, people feel motivated to want to continue. Yeah. Awesome.

Starting point is 01:02:55 I think I'm out of questions. Anything you want to say? Anything we left off? We've got to get someone doing this in San Diego. San Diego. Jesus. Yeah. We need a San Diegan using this Nu fit system. It's not going to be me. I'm busy. I'm busy doing other shit. I need someone to help me help me in San Diego.

Starting point is 01:03:14 Any, you know, chiropractors, PTs. I actually know some people that could be, yeah, I do. I do know some people that might be a really good fit for this. I just want to have a reason to go. Well, you can just come out and hang out with me. We'll come to Encinitas. I'll take you to the bubble inside the bubble and then meet some people. All the fish is wild caught. All the fish is wild caught. Yeah. And all the girls are... Anyways, we'll just leave it at that. Don't worry, honey. If you're listening, I'll bring my wife. Don't worry. So if someone is an athlete or is looking for, yeah, is wanting to use the NuFit system,

Starting point is 01:03:57 there are people in all the major, sounds like most major cities. How do they get access to it? Obviously, if you're in Austin, you can just come here. Yeah. But yeah, how do people get access to it? Obviously, if you're in Austin, you can just come here. Yeah. But yeah, how do people get a get a treatment? So we do have a network of practitioners around the country. There's a listing on our website. The website is www.new.fit. So it's any you like neurological dot FIT, no.com or any of that, you know, old school stuff. Yeah, NAU.fit. And there's a locations tab at the top right. So there's people in 20 to 25 states doing this now.

Starting point is 01:04:35 And it's growing. We have another certification course in a few weeks where we'll have about 30 new practitioners up to speed and offering this in their communities. So the list is growing. And, um, yeah, if you're in different places around the country, there's many where thankfully, you know, we have a place to whom we can refer you. Um, but then there's also still many that don't have it. So if you're listening, if you're listening and you know, uh, you know,

Starting point is 01:05:03 your local PT or chiropractor, you think they might be listening and you know, uh, you know, uh, your local PT or chiropractor, you think they might be interested, you know, send them our info or connect us with them. We'd love to chat with them. Do they have to be a chiro or PT or can a, can someone who's, uh, you know, a fitness trainer or coach get this? So someone who's, who's in the fitness professional can definitely use it. They would just have to have a relationship with, you know, someone who could be their medical supervisor, medical director, that kind of thing. So that does happen for sure.

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