Barbell Shrugged - Personalized Supplementation to Optimize Health w/ ME Biosciences and Black Lab Sports Founder JP O'Brien and Anders Varner, Doug Larson, and Dr. Andy Galpin Barbell Shrugged #655

Episode Date: August 17, 2022

Jean-Paul (JP), CEO and Managing Director at Black Lab X, is a serial entrepreneur, investor, and community builder. O'Brien is on a mission to inspire, activate, and hyper-enable scientists, entrepreneurs, investors, elite athletes, and creatives to design and build a beautiful future for all of humanity. Black Lab builds and invests in HumanTech ventures, with themes centered around Longevity, Consciousness, Community, and Environment.    Get Your ME Biosciences Recovery Pack Here: https://www.mebiosciences.com/shrugged   O'Brien is also Founder and CEO of Me Biosciences, Inc., a precision nutrition and human performance company, is President of Flywheel Project, a 501(c)3 education non-profit, is a Lead Mentor with Techstars, earned his B.S. in Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering from Cornell University, where he played D1 lacrosse and football, and on the weekends, he can be found playing lacrosse, skiing, and trail-running the foothills of Colorado.   To learn more, please go to https://rapidhealthreport.com   Connect with our guests:   JP O’Brien on LinkedIn   Anders Varner on Instagram   Doug Larson on Instagram   Coach Travis Mash on Instagram   Dan Garner on Instagram   Andy Galpin on Instagram   ————————————————    Please Support Our Sponsors   Eight Sleep - Save $150 on the Pod Pro and Pod Pro Cover   Organifi - Save 20% using code: “Shrugged” at organifi.com/shrugged   BiOptimizers Probitotics - Save 10% at bioptimizers.com/shrugged

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I'm Anders Horner. Doug Larson. JP O'Brien. Black Lab Sports. We just got back. You know how I know you're a busy man? When we come all the way out to Boulder to hang out at your beautiful, there's artwork everywhere.

There's a gorgeous gym. There's like, the place is decked out with everything you could ever imagine. And you're in there talking about space. And I must ask you six times to get onto the podcast. You're like, yeah, cool. Because you're entertaining all the people. So we got to do it afterwards. I'd love to hear a little bit of the origin story.

We've got some really cool projects that we're working on with you guys. And where did Black Lab black ops sports just, how did this, uh, how did this idea of advancing human performance and bringing all of these, these brains under one roof come to be? Yeah. Well,

thanks guys. It's great to see you again and, and good to be on. Um, I mean, the story is, it's, uh,

it's a fun one for me to tell my, my background is I'm an aerospace engineer. So that actually has nothing to do with the space thing we just did. But engineering for me was like this systems mindset, right? So like I see things in like closed loop, whether it's the earth or a project or a company, these things kind of be in closed systems. Got into technology.

We could talk about that in the early 90s. The internet became a thing. What a phenomenal time now with Web3, like the similarities of that. It's unbelievable. If you're not into Web3, it's probably the biggest opportunity monetarily of one's lifetime.

So hold on a second. Now I have to ask you, with your brain and your experience and then seeing the internet start, were you just just like holy crap this thing's gonna be here forever and change everything that we do because i was like 17 when that happened i didn't have a real job i was like oh you know what i can find also i think you should define web3 real quick a lot of of people may not be up to speed on what that is even.

They may have heard of Bitcoin, blockchain, that type of thing, but they might not really have a full handle on why it's revolutionary and why everything is moving in that direction or why it's even called Web3. What was one and two? Yeah, so put yourself in my shoes, right? I go to school. It's 1991. I'm going in there my dad worked for ibm so i've been kind of indoctrinated in computers my entire life i was coding really young and um this thing the internet is on and everyone's making fun of it like the like the pr

like all the news channels are like this is a waste of time you know like this is never going anywhere what is this internet thing www right and um and then mozilla comes along you know like this was never going anywhere what is this internet thing www right and and then Mozilla comes along you know Marc Andreessen creates this new interface and I'm like this was in like 92 I remember popping into my college class like holy cow this is gonna change everything and now if you fast-forward ten years from then if you weren't on the internet you're out of business right that was just straight, you're out of business. That was just straight up. There were two types of companies, on or out.

And so when I graduated in 95, it had switched from, hey, it's never going to be a thing, to every single company, biggest banks in the world. One of my first clients was JP Morgan. I helped build out their global cash management system, which is distributed, internet-based, basically all the dollars going through these systems, billion dollars of transactions every three hours or something. And that was all going online at that time. So you can imagine that happening. Now, so internet one, you ask the questions, we call it read, read only. So people can put their newspapers up there. They could put a book up there. They could put your website, your services, and people could go on and find all this information. So that democratizing information. Web two was basically

read and write. And that's where user generated content came from, right? Even this content is going to be put up on a podcast that you can actually create it. People can access it all over the world. And of course, that created an advertising marketplace, really, really powerful. The iPhone right with now our cameras or the smartphones in general with cameras created all this massive kind of media. So that was read and write. That's web two. Web three is read, write and ownership. So it's going to flip the model completely again where now all of a sudden we as end users actually have ownership over all the things we're doing versus basically logging into someone else's platform and so that's going to be the switch and once we really understand it

one of the best ways to understand it actually is like a video game you guys are gamers right no come so much i never owned there was two like hard rules in my house growing up one was you're not playing football and had nothing to do with concussions at the time was my dad just didn't want me blowing out my knees in high school and then also no video games in the house because your ass needs to be outside man well you missed out but it's okay it doesn't exist i don't know how to play them it doesn't it doesn't match up my gaming ended with mortal kombat 3 i think i think that was like the cutoff point where video games stopped in my house that's right killer instinct tech in mortal kombat all

the fighting games but after that nothing yeah well you know it's like these days you can you can buy these like digital goods you can buy a uniform or cape or a gun or you know it's like these days you can you can buy these like digital goods you can buy a uniform or cape or a gun or you know whatever kind of these assets you know as that kind of moves into more and more ownership that's kind of the power of what's going on there it's like really being able to have the ownership over all these digital assets things that you create eventually your own information your workouts right instead of apple owning it you're going to own it and then you can get paid for it anyway lots of stuff web 3 is going to change the business models and um it's super exciting place to be um how does that affect what you guys are doing at black lab sports and

kind of the funds that you guys have created and kind of the growth that you guys are experiencing over there yeah so back to the origin story, right? So internet happened, excited, started my first company in 1998. It was an internet company, sold it. So it got into really entrepreneurial bug in me and this whole thing about creating. Eight years ago, the story gets really interesting is I kind of went through this time in my life where I wanted to figure out what was going to be part two in JP's life. And I took an inventory of what I was doing and I took a step back, started reading a bunch about people who had done amazing things like Leonardo da Vinci or Andrew Carnegie or MLK, right? It just, it doesn't matter what sector. And they had two things in common. One is they had this concept of like this purpose,

this core purpose in their life that was bigger than them. It was bigger than their family. It was bigger than their businesses. It was like, you know, it was their why, their guiding star. And the second thing is they figured out that they can turn just about anything they think of into reality. As long as it doesn't go against the laws of physics, right? But, and that was the process. And you read about these people.

And again, being a systems engineer, why didn't they teach that in school? Right? Like, wait a minute, we can do anything. That's kind of magical if you think about it that way. So that's what Black Lab was, which was a place where we can invite, we call them thinker doers to come in, to align with their own purpose, figure out what that is, if they don't know, and then align their entire life behind that. And becomes super fulfilling um and so yeah it's it's like willy wonka's chocolate factory for human performance human potential getting stuff done you know addressing our problems i have to ask why why the sports part at the end because uh when you when you head out to black lab sports you have to walk through like art, the technology,

all those pieces to get to the gym, where we get to go play. I wasn't expecting all the the space satellites and all of the art. I was expecting the gym and all these performance things. So how did the sports part of it unify all the pieces that you've actually brought in? I mean, most of it come from some sports background. I played football and lacrosse into college. And so sport is a huge part of our lives, but it also is kind of the beachhead, right? It's the early place where people are always looking for elite performance and optimization. And it's that area where things get really interesting, right? There's a lot of BS in the industry about it, but there's a lot of science that actually also, when you delve into that, especially with the intersection of technology today,

we can make changes and look at things in a very precision way. So sports is just, I mean, we have pro athletes, investors, we have pro teams as partners. It's just what excites us. I mean, frankly, right? I mean, it's just, I mean, who doesn't love sport? Yeah. I'd love to dig into the Me Biosences. Where did, where did that company come from? And before we even get into that kind of the history, like totally democratize and decentralize the knowledge of nutrition um across the globe and that's like a really lofty thing that's years that's probably a decade away but um to get there we needed a couple things one we need to be able to create anything in nutrition uh so we built that platform to actually formulate. And right now we're, it's mostly focused around supplementation, formulate and deliver customized formulas.

So we did that. Then what we wanted to do is look at some of the really hard problems facing humans. And, you know, we actually started with like a pre-workout and a post-workout like you normally would, right? Like, okay, well, I want the best of what there is and we want to create it for ourselves and then we can formulate it for ourselves. But when we started to work with the DOD, Department of Defense, we thought, like, for example, they were going to say, yeah, we want our guys to be, you know, super strong and take all this stuff and never, you know, never have to sleep. And the reality was what we learned was we started to build this AI system, this artificial intelligence system, which is reading all the literature of all, like imagine if you got all the scientists that ever did a study in a room together and they brought all their research.

Imagine if you could get them all to agree on things that they agree upon or to identify things they don't agree upon. That's what this system basically does. It reads all these articles by itself. It uses machine learning to kind of understand contextually what's going on in the studies. And it's used to help us identify what people agree upon or don't agree upon based on the scientific community. And so with that, they said, like, listen, actually, we really want to talk about hard

conditions. Like, what do you mean like like cold weather or really hot or burn pits or bad you know something they blew out their microbiome in their gut and then another one came up which was surgery and um and the idea of that is the human goes through these different really hard conditions can we actually support them through nutrition in those very, you know, specific times, those acute times? Well, now I want to know about each of the conditions. So when we are testing, let's stick with the surgery. I think everybody's probably had one of those. How do we meet people where they're at before, obviously not during the surgery, but shortly thereafter, obviously that's like, uh, the most extreme pre-workout and post-workout time that you could be in. But, um,

how do you, how do you even start that conversation of building supplementation and personalizing it so that it's, it's meeting people really in like a, a very vulnerable time for just, just getting knocked out to go into surgery is not a normal human thing. Yeah. In surgery, it can even be just injury, right? Yeah. You break your ankle or you tear a muscle a little bit or something, right? Yeah.

Shrug family, I want to take a quick break. If you are enjoying today's conversation, I want to invite you to come over to rapidhealthreport.com. When you get to rapidhealthreport.com, you will see an area for you to opt in, in which you can see Dan Garner read through my lab work. Now, you know that we've been working at Rapid Health Optimization on programs for optimizing health. Now, what does that actually mean? It means in three parts, we're going to be doing a ton of deep dive into your labs. That means the inside out approach. So we're not going to be guessing your macros. We're not going to be guessing the total calories that you need. We're actually going to be doing all the work to uncover everything that you have going on inside you. Nutrition, supplementation, sleep. And then we're going to go through and analyze your lifestyle.

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watch the video of my labs and see what is possible. And if it is something that you are interested in, please schedule a call with me on that page. Once again, it's rapidhealthreport.com and let's get back to the show. So again, what we do is we do, we start with like a meta-analysis, which is a form of looking at, again, all these articles and see what the scientific community agrees upon or doesn't agree upon. And then we go to our scientific advisory board and say, hey, we're going to create this formula. And what was interesting about surgery and actually any injury is that the body is actually fascinatingly good at recovering and repairing itself if you give it the right environment, which means sleep. It means less stress, less cortisol.

It means less inflammation. It means all these things. And so our protocol is designed around that. The surgical protocol is seven days before surgery and 60 days post-surgery. And it focuses on elements where it's putting you as a human back into a place where you can actually recover. The scientific literature suggests that all your recovery really happens during certain stages of sleep. And it's those deep sleep times when you're recovering that if you don't have that, you're really not able to prepare. And then the cycle happens, right? Then all of a sudden you feel more pain. You're not sleeping well. You get more

stressed. If you're a sports person, right? You're like, oh my gosh, am I going to not be able to play again? If you're a special forces operator, you're like, hey, I just want to get back out there. If you're a school teacher, you're like, am I going to be able to teach class today? So all these things- Leave me injured. I can't handle it. I'll walk around with a teach class today? So all these things. Leave me injured. I can't handle it. I'll walk around with a broken leg. I just don't care.

Too many children. So that's what it's doing. And so it's been fun. We actually got some amazing doctors right now. We've been partnering with surgeons mostly, orthopedic surgeons and other types of surgeons, because they have this holistic care interest yeah on this recovery and it's some of the very best it's Doc's from Stanford's doctor I'm out here in New York right now at hospital special surgery and shoots dr. McCarty in Denver and these guys they're

seeing tremendous success with their with their patients and so we're actually starting to do some of our own studies we're going to be doing an IRB which is basically the word for like hey I'm going to go partner with the university to actually get a you know a double-blinded study so we can actually make some claims about our our products there you go hold on I'd imagine a lot of people would want to know how far along the project is for AI reading all of the nutrition research and seeing what scientists agree on across the board.

How far along is that project? Have there been any results posted of that that people can read through? Where's that at? I apologize for the jargon here, but they call it TRL, which is technology readiness level. We are at TRL 4, which means call it TRL, which is technology readiness level, right?

So we are at TRL 4, which means that it's in the lab being prototyped. We actually use it for how we start to look at indicators for these problem sets. So we'll actually use it for our own search. We are getting it funded to bring it to TRL 8, which is basically ready for in the field. And as that goes, then we're going to be yeah publishing it but there's 260 million articles don't get and there's anybody anybody research published these days and there's like 5 000 articles a day right and so to keep up on it's

literally impossible i mean there's humanly impossible. So you're going to have to use AI in some way to be able to keep up with all the research out there. Can we put some better controls on this? 5,000 a day? Even within your own micromete, you're toast. There's just no chance. That's why Dan Garner doesn't sleep. It's very, it's very, very challenging. Um, yeah. So it's, it's, uh,

I think I'm with, I've seen with JP on this one in the sense that, um, it's just never going to be a human brain. It's never going to be the answer. Right. Um, and I haven't seen anybody effectively as, as black labs has done on that side of it. I'd say like here are real possible solutions. Um, yeah. So it's obviously, I love it.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, you think with that much science and that much research, there already would, we would be some type of global consensus about like the optimum human diet, et cetera. But I feel like it's the opposite.

It's like, there's so much science and research that, that everyone who thinks anything can now validate and verify their current beliefs and people just end up in their various camps. Yeah. So here's the, here's the origin story of meat bio. Cause I think it talks about this very specifically. There's a machine out there that doesn't allow for what you just said yet. Right. And that's the whole medical machine and food machine and again this is not a conspiracy theory stuff it's just what we built as human society um but the origin story is about four years ago i found a bump on my hip and um you know i was in the shower

and i'm like i guess any guy i'm just trying to pop it i think it's a it's it or something and uh i go to the doctor because it's my annual and I'm like, can you cut that out? And he's like, that's gross. Go see the dermatologist. It's like my hip. You don't need that. Drop it off for me. So I go in dermatologist. Yeah, no problem. He cuts it out. He's like, Oh, look at this little, this little tumor thing. I'm like, okay. He calls me back 10 days later and says, you got to get in here. That was a hydrodental carcinoma and we didn't get clean margins,

which is doctors speak for that's a really rare and dangerous cancer tumor. And we didn't get it all out, we don't think. And so I go down the cancer path. I'm like, what the hell? How do I have cancer? And I go down to the top cancer docs in Denver and Colorado and asking questions like, so why, why is it there? And they're like, Oh, we don't know. You probably bumped it when you were a kid. Did you bump, did you play sports?

I'm like, am I going to have cancer everywhere? Are you breathing air? Are you currently breathing air? Do you need oxygen? Ever breathed air in the past? Yeah. This is great. How much air on average do you breathe in a night? And he's like, well, no, it doesn't work that way.

I was like, okay, well, what is it? He's like, well, this is the thing we don't really know. It's a really rare tumor. He's like, actually, I have 14 of these tumors in my university lab and i have the largest collection in the world which tells you how rare it is and if you look it up you know everyone's supposed to die within a couple years because they think it's a zit and then it metastasizes and it goes all over so i got really lucky guys super lucky that i got it out and um but i kept on digging i was like well what are you going to do and like well we can do chem, we can do chemo. We can do radiation.

We can cut down and take some lymph nodes out. And I was like, well, why would you do any of that if you know nothing about this cancer? And they're like, well, what do you want to do? And so I was like, I want to know why it's growing. And so he's shown me all the kind of, I guess, biology of how these cancers' DNA splits off and starts flagging and everything. I said, okay, but why is it growing now? He's like, well, you're probably feeding it.

I was like, well, let's stop that. How do I stop feeding it? So I go down that whole personal biology path. I get my DNA tested. I get my personal biology path. I take my, you know, get my DNA tested. I get my epigenetics.

I get my blood taken. I know Andy does all this stuff amazingly. Now I wear a glucose monitor because what I found was I was just spiking my glucose. You know, at 45, I just started, you know, the stuff I'd always eaten, bread and pasta and stuff, was just totally crushing me. And my sugar being high, that's what was feeding the tumor. So I changed my diet and I just stopped eating stuff that was killing me. And cancer-free and just like that changed my mind about nutrition.

Right. And so I think that's what we're all blind to unless you have something like that, whether it's surgery or some kind of time where, you know, either you're super motivated because you're going to go win the championship or you have some medical thing to kind of really wake you up. I think it's hard for us to like realize that the machine of the pharma machine is there because they're trying to sell you drugs. Right. And the reason that they talk about it, right. Doug, back to your point, the reason that nobody's consistent about necessarily a single diet for everybody, well, first of all, that doesn't make sense, right? My blood sugar is acting differently than yours. But the reason that we don't talk about that is because who's going to market that, right?

It's really nobody's interest except for, I guess, us to be able to say, hey, everyone can be individualized. Actually, going back to Doug's comment, so I actually think the opposite, right? You'll hear people say things like, you know, how do we put somebody on the moon? What was it now, 50 plus years ago? Something like that, right? But yet we can't figure out basic nutrition tenets for people on the earth. And my answer is it's more complicated. Actually,

I think it's far, there are far more variables down here than there are up there, right? There's no air up there. There's like very few things to worry about. So just getting something to land up there is technologically difficult. But when you compare that to the amount of variables that each individual human is going through,

it's just, it's higher. So being able to figure out what is actually going to be baseline effective and healthy for each individual person down here, I think is really, really, really challenging. So I think it's going to be the opposite, right? It's going to be, it is a situation where you have tremendous complication about figuring out, you know, can you handle X amount of pasta a day and be healthy?

We get hundreds of millions can't that's that's fantastic right so that tells you like in fact billions of people can do that just fine and billions probably can't and that's one variable let alone throwing everything else lifestyle and sleep and environment and like all these things into it that that math just gets untenable to the human brain. So I think as we continue to expand science, you're going to continue to see things like, there's very few blanket statements that we can make and it just really has to come down to precision

and individualized stuff. And whether this is from biosensing stuff or it is basic informational sciences, because what you're going to see are things like JP's machine learning stuff that we aren't even aware of um we don't even think about thinking about as a variable in the equation but that machine doesn't realize that and it's going to see it and so i think you're going to see bigger advances the more data we can dump into that stuff and it can start to pick out

things that we're not paying attention to um i would imagine just simple things like you'll see flags of people in certain areas and be like, Hey, maybe there's something in the water there. You're just like, Oh my gosh, there is. And 20 years ago that would have been a conspiracy. And now it's like totally like absolutely true. So I think it's just, it's just going to be a situation that we are in a situation where it makes total sense to me, but the stuff is really, really,

really difficult to figure out. And then you didn't even throw the medical stuff in there. Like let alone, how are we going to do that when we have 14 of these cancers that exist in the whole world? Jeez, like so difficult to pin down as we move forward. So I think this is going to have to be the future there. And it's really kind of cool because the other stuff that you guys are involved with a lot of the space stuff is you're solving a lot of those problems up

there or on the weights up there. This is the whole event we were just at, right? Is sort of how do we get humans to succeed and thrive up in an arm like that? Great. Well, if we can figure that out, then we have made progress to figuring out what's going to happen down here because starting down here is just a web of mess like let's start up there where it's very very challenging but there are actually less variables right right now uh there'll be more as we get more communities and things like that but right

now let's figure it out up there and then we can start bringing back some core tenants to here. So, uh, when did, when did you guys start to take the performance angle in this? Imagine going from kind of like a hospital healing scenario into people that don't need that, but actually need very specific measurements, like very precise, uh, supplement precise supplementation to whatever, to reach whatever their goal is. When did that transition happen? So, like I said, we actually started off with like on the performance side, but we were going to do

it because we, because I was no longer, you know, I wasn't getting surgery. So I just wanted to work out and customize it to me. At the same time though, like what we needed to do is we need to partner with people that really know that space, you know? So it's one thing to, again, it was really important, like Andy says, to have like the AI starting to give us information and be able to provide basically, we call it the augmented nutrition scientists, like augment ourselves, right? It's like the matrix how do i augment my thinking with with artificial

intelligence um but at the same time we need to partner with people like andy and these guys right to like just actually provide some of the guidance because they um and not speak for you but one of the things that i really agree with you know most studies out there are actually based on guys like me right they're not based on some 25 year old stud playing you know the topic of his game or her game um and there's really very little research on women out there in the medical community so currently a lot of the information we have is based on this kind of bell curve, center of the meme type of people versus these really elite athletes. So, as we're starting to really work with those elite athletes, that's where we need to continue to partner with folks that have that data. Yeah.

As you guys see this kind of playing out, which is the medical community really taking to this well I can see there being like so much red tape and people like anything new that's gonna come in and potentially revolutionize the way things are done is going to be met with just people that do not want change yeah it's fair but I think we're at a really interesting crossroads. I mean, the docs that we talk to daily, they've changed their tune. I mean, they make – so the opening conversation is like, hey, so you're like the top surgeon in this area. Yeah.

How many surgeries do you do a week? Yeah, we do 10 to 12 a week. I see about 100 patients. Wow, that's a lot. For everybody you've talked to what do you what kind of nutrition advice do you give them zero what do you mean like i study i'm a surgeon like i know but besides after you've tied the thing together or cut the thing or whatever how's the body repairing itself oh well we give them pain meds. Like, so, but you just ask a couple of those questions. They're like, Oh,

of course. Yeah. What do you have? Like, let's get in. Because they recognize that there's actually even in the medical community, there's some other incentives, right? Money's incentive. There's something called risk pay now, which is they don't get paid if those people get readmitted. Right. So they can actually get docked on some of the readmission stuff, and insurance companies really trying to – the payers really trying to push them to having successful outcomes for the patients.

So there is some monetary financial, but I think that there's a really time and place right now, and I actually give AI and technology credit to this. I mean, again, glucose monitors, right? I can have a real conversation with a doc now to show exactly what my glucose is all the time. And he can't, and he can't just blow it off. Like whatever you read that on the internet. Right. So this information and this feedback loop allows for us to actually see exactly how we are doing. And as that continues to improve across things like not just you know biometrics and but hormones and everything else even i'm even seeing companies now working on like mental

wellness mental health and actually be able to monitor that yeah as we're starting to be able to get that biofeedback loop around that i think it's going to expose truly what are some of the things that and nutrition is going to be there's no doubt nutrition is going to be the very top nutrition sleep will be the top of the list everything else will kind of be supported if you can feel free to go ahead uh you can feel free to not answer as many of these as possible i'm not sure what you're willing to unveil about some of the stuff you guys have or not so feel free to pass and punt we won't edit it but to just say i'm not answering that whatever um so if you look at this from the just strictly financial perspective of a surgeon,

they're actually incentivized to work with someone like this, work with somebody on sleep and mental stress and nutrition, et cetera, because the way you get paid more and you become more famous as a surgeon is you have better outcomes, right? So your surgery is going to be more effective if you have all those other areas taken care of. So it makes sense to me from a surgeon to do that and go, oh, great, my patients are going to get better results.

I will look better. I will make more money and I'll advance my career. So even from a very strictly personal, individual perspective, they're going to want to get better, right? So the question then is with the machine learning the ai stuff you have once it's ready theoretically would a surgeon or anyone else be able to go into it and search it like google and ask it a question like hey i have a 64 year old patient she weighs this much she has this type of genetic background she's going through this surgery here's

where she lives etc etc like what should i pay to could this will the ai have a function like that from the nutrition side just what are best food practices what's she most likely to respond to what recommendations would you give based on the literature is that something within reason yes so the ai system is being designed. The user interface is going to be key here, right? So there's one side of it, which is totally personalized. Let me put as much information I know about this human. Let's say it's me.

I'm putting it in about me. And it's going to come out and say, here's what the literature says. But it also has to understand what you want to do, what your goals are, what your history is. And it needs to understand quite a bit about you. right now it's being used like what do we have beta users right now using it for things like so what is like ketones and high altitude why is everyone using ketones in the you know torta falls this year and so now all of a sudden i have researchers at university of colorado looking that up and able to see all the research that's been done from basically all the time and be able to find these kind of interesting commonalities.

So it's almost like a 10x, maybe 100x search for the literature today. That's where it's at. Like, how can I just do it much faster? We're putting in trust scores or kind of, you know, reliability scores. Some of that's on citation. Some of that's on citations. Some of that's on kind of the repeat studies. But as you know, this stuff gets proved and disproved all the time. And so this is a living, kind of breathing, just knowledge base.

It's not saying what we – it's not – I wouldn't say that our AI is saying we know the facts because it's based on human research, which is flawed in the beginning. But from a crowd perspective, a crowdsourcing, you take all of that, then all of a sudden you see a couple of interesting things. You see really interesting overlaps, like vitamin D, and not just for immunity, but cardiac health and a lot of other things that people still aren't talking about. If you're not taking 5,000 IUs of vitamin D a day, guys, and there's still COVID out there, like I know I'm probably getting in trouble from the FDA by saying it. I'm not a doc.

I've not got no claims. However, it really matters. And then there's also really interesting things, Andy, where it's actually helping us find areas of really interesting like patents and other areas of research, because it's these missing areas that there's, Hey, there's no patents. And yet all these, all this research is kind of hinting at this kind of hypothesis.

And so we can kind of go into those areas as well and say, Hey, what do we miss? So it's a fascinating space. My brain goes into two areas here. Area one is, we have said AI and machine learning a bunch of times, those are not the same thing. You know, we tend to use them interchangeably. But one thing I want to make clear is machine learning you're talking about is not generating its own information, right? It is simply using what's out there. So most of the time you think about machine learning, it's learning something else and it's creating its own decision. Like based on that, you're

simply saying what is, I'm helping you search better search better right we're not going to make up new facts and information that's that's a very important distinction that's there but the brain the second place is one of the key things that you're taught in graduate school when you want to search into an area let's just say ketones and high altitude training whatever right you comb through everything that you can possibly find on how to do training you You comb through everything possible in ketones. You mix, you cross-reference. But one of the things that you'll do at the very beginning of your process, we still do this anytime you're generating a study,

is you look at actually what's not been done. And that's a very, what you just said really piqued my interest because you can actually find whole areas where you're like, wow, I just assumed someone's looked at ketones and how to training for an athlete. Turns out never been done. You'll be stunned what actually doesn't exist. And so there's a lot of low hanging fruit that needs to be answered by simply understanding what holes are missing, right? Or whatever. I could give you a hundred examples of this, but like psychedelics are a very clear example of like there was some significant amount of research done, forgotten for decades. And now look at some of the clinical outcomes that are coming

for mental health. So you would see that and it would like blast you in the face with your system. It's like, look at all, this is research that's been done here's a giant gap um the connections are already there so i think that the ability to see what's right in front of us and that takes the human element out is going to be so incredibly powerful whether you're talking about it from the health or performance or all their perspectives um yeah so i don't know if you have reactions i have a question actually there that was an almost same, but you have a reaction to that or come and go to my question. No, go ahead. Great. Okay. So that being said,

surgery seems to be a very easy entry here because you're, you're going to see huge impacts going from what would assume to be the normal nutritional process that most people are taking to some basic nutrition, right? You're going to see these big jumps from going from this terrible quartile to, you know, third worst quartile. So outcomes will be there. Are there any other places from the performance side that you think are going to be really low-hanging fruit or just general areas where you're like, man, people are really missing the boat, whether it's supplementation, whether it's whole food stuff or anything like that that you guys have clued in or keyed in on so we were talking about like these harsh environments right and

that's that can be personally right um surgery being one even just injury um and so we did create a little shrugged package, just so you know if you want to talk about that later, your listeners can come on and check it out. Oh, really? I didn't know about this. Yeah, here we go. I actually want to know about this. But the thing that's really got me interested, Andy, is the gut.

Yeah. And thinking about that microbiome as a system and really what it's doing for mental health. And not just for mental health, like happiness, like serotonin and oxytocin and other types of, you know, the chemical pathways. I think, again, you're the doctor, not me, but my understanding is that like 95% of all of our serotonin

is actually created from the gut. And if that's correct. Yeah, it's the digestive tract in general. the gut and if that's correct yeah it's it's the digestive tract in general yeah and if that's correct i mean if you don't have a healthy gut you just can't have serotonin which means you can't have those feelings of happiness and so this is a really interesting area but also just long-term brain health um whether it's alzheimer's or park Parkinson's or other types of, you know, there's a lot of, there seems to be a ton of connection there. And again, some of the research really indicates that as we're starting to look at that and we're starting to think about the food,

like we think like we're just these human filters. We can eat anything and drink anything and we're going to be fine. The body will just take care of it. It's just not the case. All right. Spill the beans. I want to hear about the shrugged supplements that you made for us here. We're all learning, right in real time with you now. All right. So yeah, if you go to me, biosciences.com slash shrugged, we're going to put up a, just a recovery package. We have all of our other stuff on there, but we kind of wanted to put together a recovery package, which includes both our, basically it's our post-surgical modification of that. So if you got a dinged up,

if you're hurt, if you're just not feeling great, that plus our sleep formula and our sleep formula, really, I can't even say active ingredient, but the key ingredients, it's tart cherry juice, which is L-tryptophan basically.

And Andy can tell you more about how that works. But it really helps you create your own natural melatonin. Wait, you made a sleep product that's not loaded with just excess melatonin? No. Stop it. Hold on a second. No. That is never going to make its way into the local grocery store.

CVS. It takes, it would take a little bit of communication, right? This doesn't have a hundred times the amount of melatonin a normal human needs. So here's the beautiful thing. We've got, you know,

we've got some really elite athletes taking our surgery protocol. And some of these guys are kind of in college and their moms will like will like borrow some of the sleep and then that's like our biggest repeat customers like parents from kids who've had surgery protocol all of a sudden they're they're buying our sleep every month because it does it just gives you natural, healthy, deep sleep. What's in the recovery? There's a lot of amino acids really focused around that. Our recovery, we don't use proteins typically for this, both from a whey. We use the amino acid side of it,

so the essential amino acids and that, that seems to be if we're not customizing it specifically for you, if we've kind of got that, you know, more of this one tier down from individualized customized from recovery perspective, it, what, what the research kind of suggests is that since you don't have to actually go through and process those proteins to turn them into amino acids, it's actually getting into the,

into the affected areas in the muscles that much faster. Can you clarify, people say this all the time, custom, personal, individualized. Nobody does what you do in that sense. So I think people have heard that so far. They've been listening and they're like, Oh, great. They, we haven't really articulated what that exactly is. So can you explain that part? When you say you can customize someone's supplementation, you mean just like grab them some way, grab

them some vitamin C, send that out to them. Right. Well, can we talk about, can we talk about our work together? Uh, just as long as you don't say names, I think we're good. Alvin's got no secrets. Yeah, okay. I got lots of secrets. JP knows a lot of them.

But yeah. We built the capability to truly customize down to the very specific things that you want. And so, you know, working with you, Andy, you'll come to us and say, hey, I have this client, I have this athlete, and hey, I want to give them, you know, this in the morning, this in the afternoon, and this at night. You have your own data and your research talking about what you want specifically for those folks. And we're able to go and actually create that very specific formula down to you know the milligram even less for those specific components now if you're Andy you have that knowledge right you have very specific knowledge about what you want to provide your client that's why he's doing what he's doing if you don't have if you're not Andy's client or if

you don't have that then you can come to us And what we can do is we can still take your blood, we can take your biomarkers, and we can customize that specifically for you. And we do that on a quarterly basis. And if you don't quite want to go down to that level, if you don't want to look at your DNA, you don't want to look at your blood and your hormones and those sort of things, then what we've done, again, is we've created these kind of base layers that are customized to that side, but they're not personalized. So it's kind of that, it's that, it's that, it just depends on where you are. Some people, like you said earlier, Andy, some people just need to get some sleep, you know, like the body's going to kind of retune itself if you get some good sleep.

Or if you have a surgery, you need to recover. You got to stop stressing. You got to get sleep. You got to get sleep. You got to reduce inflammation. You got to do these things. And so our, our, our surgical protocol has been designed specifically for that. Get the body into that state. Yep. So you guys will, the base program for me, biosciences is, you know, you get some blood done, send it into you guys.

Um, that'll be interpreted and then they'll get back and they'll get a canister that says like, this is Andrews AM and has it has anything that they think that they need in a single blended supplementation. They get one for PM or however it's going to work, right? The next person who gets it, say Doug sends his blood in, his AM cocktail will be different based upon his blood work but you're still just going to get one container you know for the morning or evening or however you set it up that has whatever supplementation nutrition that that is needed based on there and that's just shipped out to you you know however often you want it to be there so you don't have to take six or seven or eight or ten different things in the morning you just have your one scoop everything you need individualized based on your blood work is done and delivered. So it's a pretty, pretty sweet setup.

Yeah. I actually have a question on the kind of scalability for this to be able to reach kind of a, call it a population, just even the size of United States, much less across the globe, like you guys are talking about being in fitness for as long as we all have been in the fitness space. Obviously the question of like, should I take this supplement? And knowing what we know now you go, Oh, well,

I, I don't know. Like, sure. Maybe, maybe you're doing more harm than good. Is there going to be a way where we can take the machine learning you guys are doing in the research, having people be able to run their own labs um because right now you have to go to

somebody like galpin and dan and us and our program and match it up with what you guys have going on and being able to roll this out it seems like a very challenging way to get that to billions of people is there a way in which we're going to be able to take the machine learning that you guys have and then be able to scale that into, you recently got your blood work done. Boom. And then it goes to Dan Garner's calculations on what optimal blood work should look like. And then it spits out the report that says, go talk to me about me, biosciences. And we formulate these exact supplementation protocols that you need to be on specific to your physiology and then we ship that out is that a possibility yeah it's exactly right

and so that's what we're talking about earlier in the you know just a little earlier we're like phase three of eight right so the the one that's way out there is you know i was just in i got to be over in rwanda in Kigali for the ball championships, which is part of the NBA. And walking around there, I was like, hey, when is me bioscience is going to get here? You know, that's how I was just thinking. I was like, I need to get this everywhere. And it's not about selling them supplementation.

It's about digitizing that knowledge and completely giving you basically, if you impact billions of people, you'll be, you know, money's not an issue, right? So the idea, though, is what you're hitting on is this micro manufacturing piece. Listen, again, we live in the most incredible day, right? I mean, yeah, there's a ton of problems. But technology, I mean, I'm a technologist, but is really helping us do things we've never been able to do before. You know, the rise of AI, the domination that's going to do, robotics and our capability of doing things in a way that we don't need humans to do them. The gig economy, I mean, the kind of like the global gigabyte economy,

all of a sudden I can have a Starlink hooked up to my van and be anywhere in the world and have connectivity. I mean, these are the things that will literally change democratization of this knowledge. And so what you just said is exactly our vision for where we're going. Yeah, if you look at like outside of America, especially if you go to Asia and Africa as global things, if you look at the numbers

of mineral deficiencies across Americans, like pick magnesium, iron, calcium, any of those general ones like you're going to see 10 20 right and so people are like so worried about everyone is low in magnesium in america if you go to africa and asia you're going to see numbers like 95 calcium deficient vitamin a is just like gone um this is just tremendous problems over there i think the number i saw yesterday is three and a half billion people are uh likely low calcium and almost none of those are going to be in america so like you you want to talk about real health global nutrition problems um you can

get some stuff to be to africa and asia you're gonna you're gonna make a whole bunch of people a lot here and just taking them from zero to some is in a lot of cases going to save lives it's massive and even even here in the us you know there's these you know you've probably heard of them right there's food deserts and there's food swamps you know two deserts where you might be in the inner city you just can't get healthy food near you. But a food swamp is where there's three McDonald's next to you, right? And all you're eating is KFC because that's what you know. And so even here, but especially internationally, Andy, I mean, there's just so many low-hanging fruit around this issue.

Yeah. If you look at this from a sport perspective too, look at the Francis and Gano's and look at the israeli look at how many just unbelievable that's just athletes we're not even talking about visionaries and thinkers and stuff that are coming from places like that how many other ones are just being lost because of basic basic nutritional deficiencies right like you want to talk about raising humanity let's just get those people a chance and oh my gosh who knows what can happen we're talking about get your labs done and knowing what your levels are of calcium and vitamin a and whatever you just mentioned a second ago you're wearing a continuous glucose

monitor so you always know what your levels are but do you know anyone in the space that's working to essentially have that for many other markers like if you had a continuous monitor of hundreds of markers versus just glucose you know an app on your phone that graphed everything in real time and it graphed the ratios between things in real time you're feeding all that data for hundreds or thousands or millions of people into an ai type system along with whatever they're eating and whatnot and you're you're cross-referencing what's happening to real people with AI versus just what the research is saying with AI as a totally separate project.

Like, is anyone moving that direction at all where they're, they're looking to have instead of running labs twice a year, you know, which is really good for a lot of people and most people don't run labs twice a year. That's like amazing where they're getting a continuous account of all of their markers in real time.

Like, is that in our future ever? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. There's a ton of companies right now. We've invested in a few that are,

have everything from, you know, monitoring your sweat continuously to, I got talked about the mental health, some of those biomarkers. You've seen the stuff kind of continuously coming back on the watch. We invest in a company called Spexa, which is doing the intelligence layer, the AI layer on top of all of your activity for precision physiology recommendations. So this is a space that again, I think technology is going to,

but it's people, right? I keep on saying technology, but it's us. It's thinker-doers. It's guys like you and women out there and scientists and technologists and entrepreneurs that are doing this. And that's really the key around Black Lab. I mean, just to kind of full circle it is, you know, we want to help those people. We want to inspire them. We want to activate them.

We want to help people be creators because's what we need right we need people building again and creating and constantly creating focusing on the space around humanity you guys are black lab in general you talked about me boss that's one of your companies and you just sort of alluded to the second point you guys are one of the terms are where you make other companies grow? I believe that's an investor. We lose them. Your venture capital for one of those. Uh,

no, I'm not private accelerator, private equity accelerator, incubators and accelerators. That's the term. Sorry. Um, so you have,

you mentioned some of them. You guys have a whole bunch of companies you've, you've helped get going in some level, whether you're actually invested in them or not, or something. Um, you guys facilitated, of course, us getting Absolute

Rest going. We met there at least. You guys have probably the world's dopest eye black. Not probably, like for sure. Just talk about something like every kid in the world put eye black under their eyes before baseball games. I had

no idea that you could make that so much better. And then you guys have just totally fixed that problem and infinitely better. You talked about Andy on that one. So ice black, think about that. So I was putting this on my daughter and it's filled with chemicals. It's got parabens in it. It's like made in wherever it was made, somewhere in China. And it was horrible. It was like, I did probably, they probably made rat poison in the same bat. They were making their eye black you know like like seriously and and so we're just like this is crazy like we're poisoning our kids and so it was just that simple the thing like hey what if and eye black is those is iconic in the sense of like

yeah it's like if you could if you could bottle sport right in the power and the energy of like yeah it's like if you could if you could bottle sport right in the power and the energy of like pre-game jitters and like in game built a whole company off of eye black kids protecting the house with just eye black everywhere yeah so yeah so the eye black company um what's in it yeah what like what's different well ice black is uh so ice black? What's in it? Yeah, like what's different? Well, eye splack is – so eye splack is – really, it's a healthy product. We actually make it here in the U.S. in L.A. Don't tell your son, but it's actually made in a cosmetic factory. So instead of having nasty stuff in it, it's all FDA-approved, subsist for your skin and for the most important, some of the most sensitive places on your face,

which is right below your eyes. And we have also have all sorts of colors, right? So it's October, we've got a bunch of people wearing pink, you know, a lot of different colors for teams and some of the best, I mean, you look right now, you see these guys, I won't name names because I'm probably not allowed to do that, but I was here in New York city and I was watching the Yankees in the night, and those guys, I mean, they all buy from us, right?

So it's fun to see a simple product like that go from the very, very top down to inspiring some six-year-old to get out there and play soccer. You guys got – just to kind of wrap this point, though. So you have that. You've got NYX, which is the continuous hydration sensor that's coming out soon you've got a ton of other companies um so just in general anything in human performance from eye black to customized supplementation to um hydration sensors if anyone has any products or things they're interested in they want to move forward i i know that you guys um like want to hear about them so if if that's the case somebody has like an early

face company or something that they want to get going um how do they get in contact with you guys so come to blacklabsports.com and it's slash thinker doer or if you just go to apply and then thinker doer membership and that's the the best way to, that's our form. Get in touch with us that way. Tell us about you. And this is for anybody, right? If you're trying to search for your purpose and trying to figure out what that is, you want to be a creator. If you're a scientist, if you're an entrepreneur, if you're an investor, come join us, right?

Be part of it. If you're a service provider, if you're a lawyer that helps to help small businesses and startups get going, we're building this community. I mean, these guys are part of it. We'd love to have any out there. Amazing folks. It really is about building this community. And I think that's the future. And Black Labs does the in-person stuff that we do once a year, but you also do, what is it, monthly webinars or quarterly or something? And then tell us a little bit quickly about those and then how people can make sure they don't miss the next one and all that stuff. Yeah, come in and use that membership form to introduce yourself. We do have monthly webinars and we call them forums.

They're online. We usually do them virtual, trying to do a mixed, mixed cities as well. And we also have masterminds. And so we'll actually put groups together of about eight CEOs or founders or people trying to get together. And we'll talk about things like purpose and MTPs, massively transformative purposes, and talk a lot about the technologies coming out. So if you're not familiar with, you know, open AI and GPT-3 and what's going to happen there and what you should be playing with right now, you'll learn about that. So we can activate you to go and actually go create.

Love it. Blacklabsports.com forward slash shrug. Everybody go get your free supplements. Try all this stuff out. Did I get that right? Me, biosciences. Me, biosciences. Slash shrugged.

On Black Lab Sports. I messed it up already. Yeah, but you can get to there from Black Labs. If you get to Black Labs, you'll get to MeBio, and you'll get to everybody else. And where can people find you personally if they have any questions and want to kind of see where you guys are at with the fun? Yeah, LinkedIn is a good place, or, you know. Black Lab Sports. John Paul O'Brien on LinkedIn? Yeah. or, you know, Black Labs.

John Paul O'Brien on LinkedIn. Yeah. Yep, John Paul O'Brien. There you go. Good point. Andy Galpin. Yeah, man. Instagram, Twitter.

That's the best place. Dr. Andy Galpin. Doug Larson. On Instagram, Douglas E. Larson. I'm Anders Warner at Anders Warner. We are Barbell Shrugged at barbell underscore shrugged. Make sure you go over to rapid health report.com. We can see Dan Garner reading my labs,

telling me all the things that are deficient in my life, but I'm back. I'm a hundred percent. Now that that guy's got me all hooked up. Hey, by the way, my son is actually working with Dan too. And man, that guy is,

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