Barbell Shrugged - "Seek Death" w/ Tait Fletcher and Keith Jardine of Caveman Coffee

Episode Date: August 10, 2016

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What's up, motherfuckers? This is Tate Fletcher for Barbell Shrugged. And I know you've seen this show a lot. It's one of the most popular shows out on the internet. But I think we're going to bring you something different because a lot of people think that Keith has no voice. Maybe that he's mute sometimes. And you're going to see him really delve into his soul here in a whole different kind of way. Be ready. Hey, this is Rich Froning. You're listening to Barbell Shrugged. For the video version, go to barbellshrugged.com.

How long have you guys been here? Been here. You've been here all day? We've been here all day. Yeah. Since yesterday. How long have you been on this planet? I don't know.

How long are we going to be on this planet? Right? That's the more important thing. That's the better question. How differently would you live your life if you knew the day you were going to die? Not at all. I mean, maybe the last day I would live differently. No, I just brought those out.

Whoever wants whatever. Oh, cool. I'm cool with this. I'm not going to sleep tonight. My wife already told me I'm on the couch. I'm really sensitive to caffeine. Oh. But you know what?

It just feels good sometimes. Caffeine? Yeah. When doesn't it? Is there a time it doesn't? It doesn't feel good when I can't sleep at night. When I'm laying in bed and I'm like. Yeah, I never get that way.

I know like some people, they can drink coffee going to bed. Yeah, easy. If I drink it past noon, I'm up. Really? Yeah. I'm already, I'm already ruined.

Huh? Yeah. Past noon. Definitely. Wow. Yeah. You need to drink more coffee. Pre-workout's the same thing.

You give me, I can't even do it. Now this idea of a pre-workout, what is this shit? Cause I heard about, I see guys and they're like, oh, you had this pre-workout?

And to me, a pre-workout is for a dude that doesn't have the goddamn gumption. I mean, tremendously, isn't it something like, yeah, I really don't have shit together, so I'm going to do something that's going to amp me up so I can be present for my life. What the fuck? That's for some weak-ass dudes, right? It's just caffeine, most of the part. Most of what's in pre-workout is just caffeine really yeah there's because there is some other stuff because there's

some federal lawsuits about some other stuff being in those so there is some other stuff in those well the the the pre-workout that i take has uh caffeine beta alanine creatine um that's that's i like that you know what's in there. Yeah. Because most people are taking shit. They have no idea what's in there. Oh, no. They have no fucking idea.

No fucking idea. What's in a frappuccino? I don't know. Sugar? But, you know, I actually started drinking more black coffee before training. That's racist right there. I mean, well, yeah. I can't believe that.

But, anyway, this is a family show. Put no cream in my coffee. Fuck that shit. I mean, I do sometimes. You know, why not? You know, hey, whatever. Man, you rattled me for a minute. You made me question why I drink that shit.

I know. You know what? Fuck that. Maybe I don't take pre-workout anymore. You know why I drink it? Because I get amped up anyways before training session. But if there's a next level that I can hit, I want to know. I want to know what that's like.

Where are you going? Goddamn, what are you doing? Just trying to blow up the gym. That's what I'm trying to do. Where are you trying to go? Not that I was going to say the Olympics. That's not true. I'm just trying to PR every single time I touch a barbell.

Really? Yeah. You think that's healthy? No, not all the time. Do you think it's sustainable? No, no, not all the time. But how do you, no, absolutely not. But when I want to get the highest numbers I can, right. Like sometimes you need that intensity. Okay. All right. Well, my prayer for you is that one day you'll be able to get that intrinsically. Oh, Oh, please believe me. After a day like that, it's like 10 days of

not that. Right. For sure. Right. So you just take the pre-workout on the day that you're going to do the thing? Don't lie to me, you motherfucker. Yeah, it's all right, bro. I understand. It's just something to think about. Just something to consider.

I'm trying to think about how often I take it. You got to think about how you make yourself weak in this life. You're going in the gym going, I'm going to get that good bicep peak. But maybe what to think about is think about cutting away the weaknesses in your life, other places. Cause all we do is we cleave to comfort and we think that's success. And I would say that comfort is akin to weakness and comfort is like death. And that is going to swallow you up and edge away at you like a tumor more than anything. So the places where I get super comfortable in my life,

I'm like, you better bring in some pain here. You better get uncomfortable. And so, like, how are you a fully self-sustained human? Or do I need these other things to make me whole? I didn't even know I was doing anything wrong. I'm not saying you are. I'm just saying it's something to consider. Oh, yeah.

I mean, yeah. I feel so empty now. I mean. Welcome to Barbell Shrug. I'm your empty host, Mike McGoldrick, here with Alex Macklin. TTP behind the camera. We're getting schooled right now. Getting drilled by Tate Fletcher and Keith Jardine.

Keith's just sipping and just enjoying the show. Watching me shift uncomfortably in my chair. Yeah, that's it. Turning bright red. red guys thank you for coming on the show we're here at the paleo fx the caveman coffee booth uh you guys had a really cool setup you have a show for yourselves uh for those of us or for those of our listeners out there who don't know who you guys are um tell us a little about yourselves kj um yeah um I'm a proprietor of coffee right now. I'm an actor, stuntman, used to fight in the UFC.

Used to be a wildland firefighter, a football coach, a bounty hunter, plumber. Done a lot of things. But now I'm here. You were a bounty hunter. All right. Actually, I read a senior move over. I read your bio before we came on the show.

You tracked down a thief recently. It was on a video. That was a different thing. Somebody fooling up to steal mail out of Keith Jardine's mailbox. Get out of here. I was sitting at my computer. I was doing some work. I saw somebody pull up outside the window,

and someone's slowing down right in front of my mailbox. And the guy jumped out, pulled my mail, threw it in his car, and jumped in and left. So I'm just there in my underwear, no shoes, nothing. So I'm running around the house. Oh, my God, oh, my God. I'm trying to find clothes, put clothes on. I found some dress shoes, for God's sake. It's the only thing I could find right away.

So I jump in my Bronco at the time, and I head after him. There's only one way in or out of the neighborhood I was in. So I knew he had to go there. He might get some other mailboxes and go up there. To give a good background to what Keith's neighborhood is, is it's basically a retirement community, right? And so when Keith moves in, they're like, who's going to talk to him? We're going to talk to all the neighbors. And then somebody, so you know it's not really a party neighborhood. It's kind of a lower vibe around here. And Keith's like, no, yeah, of course.

Like, you're all soft-spoken. So anyway, it's kind of a, it's not, it's a type of neighborhood where you think if you're a thief, maybe I'm going to get off easy here. These are just easy marks here. And then you got Keith Jardine in dress shoes running after you in a monster truck. Oh, my God. And so, wait a minute, you apprehended the dude. Yeah, so I chased him, and I saw him.

I saw his car. I think that's him. And I sped up, and I drove right next to him. And sure enough, it was him. And then so I sped past him and slammed my Bronco right in front of him so he couldn't go. So I remember running around the back of my my bronco and i kind of see his car and i see his window open and that was the best thing for me right away you know how you think

and like like everything kind of slows down yeah yeah so the window's open so i know that there's no real barrier between me and him so if he does have a gun or something that i'd be able to do something so i swerved way around back to behind him, and I came up, and I grabbed him by his collar. And he started fighting me. I thought, whoa, what are you doing? He's fighting me, fighting me. And so that's it. So I'm pulling back to hit him.

And I said, so that's it. That's the trigger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's funny how there's that primal thing where this connection we all have is like the moment he saw my eyes somehow that I was about to hit him, he just went like jello on my hand oh no yeah he knocked himself out he just no he just went he just went completely limp and i pulled open his door i reached down i pulled him out and and i got him on mount and and i called somebody and this video i think this video was caught on video and it went viral

yeah national news oh man got to plug that in. Here's a little side story. Jody, my fiance, makes fun of me all the time for this because I got this guy. I got kind of knee on chest kind of position. I pull out the phone and I don't call the cops or anything. I call my friend and my manager from fighting. Can I hit him?

Can I hit him? No. I call John. John, I got this guy, he did this, or whatever. Don't worry about it, dude. I'll call the police. I'll get taken care of. Why don't you call the cops? My first thought was, John's always the guy that's been there for me or whatever. I just called John. Oh, man. That is

crazy. And you're also an accomplished MMA fighter. You had an MMA career. Yeah, I fought in the UFC for a bit. What was your record? I have no idea man i've won some big fights lost some big fights i've been all over yeah you fought uh chuck liddell yeah i beat chuck liddell fourth griffin uh brandon vera okay i beat some good guys yeah i got that's what i say when people ask like um like i've won on the biggest stage in great ways, and I've lost on the biggest stage in great ways.

Yeah. Like, I've been on both sides of it. What have you kind of been doing since? And you retired from MMA or UFC, right? I guess. People ask me if I retired all the time. I just can't. I don't know how to.

It just sounds so like I give up or something. I haven't retired. You know, I train all the time. I still live a certain lifestyle. Like, I just can't say that I've retired even though, like, I don't see myself. Well, I mean, you never know. I'm just – day by day, I do my thing. Just living.

Yeah, doing this coffee thing right now, doing it with Tate, doing the stunts and the acting. And now this coffee thing is getting so big for us. Like, it's just day by day seeing what's happening. Right on. Yeah. And a little side note to that story, it was Tim Sylvia that was in the car, and so that's who he pulled out. Oh, man.

Stack of mail next to him. I wonder if that guy knew, oh, man, a celebrity lives here. He probably knew afterwards. Imagine how crazy that is. What was I thinking? You're being a just guy. You're just taking care of your thing. And this guy's a thief.

It had to go through that guy's head. I wonder if I could sue him. It's kind of like doing the right thing. You're in this position with no matter how kind you are to somebody that is being offensive to you, maybe physically, maybe just stealing from you or whatever. But it's a trip man it's it's nice that it went how it did yeah and you're lucky you didn't smash him yeah he didn't fight back um he didn't have a gun or a weapon yeah it's just one of those things like like i'm not you don't really think about it you know you just in it you're primed to react a certain way to certain things.

And maybe it wasn't the right thing to do, but that was just. That was just your instinct. The decision was made up long before it happened. Are you head of your homeowners association now? No, it's a bunch of old people and that's what it was. And that's what the fuck it was doing is like trying to steal people's pensions and stuff, you know. Yeah, fuck that guy. Yeah.

Yeah. I think you did the right thing. For sure. For sure. Yeah. Tay, you did the right thing. For sure. For sure. Tay, give us some background on yourself. That's the most eloquent background I ever heard. I never heard Keith talk like that before. Did you rehearse that shit or what?

No, man. I had some... I'm a coffee proprietor, actor, stuntman, used to fight professionally. I was a bounty hunter I did transports I bounced in clubs I did carpenter

and a roofer how far back I used to sell drugs I've robbed some people in my time thank God I never ran into Keith Jardim right for real right

Tate's got a book coming out right now oh I'm writing a book right now? I'm an aspiring author. What else? We do Pirate Life Radio. We run a podcast. What do we really do for real?

Oh, and then I've got Nuevo Cerveza. I've got a micro-brew with a buddy of mine. We just signed a little tap house up in Santa Fe where we'll be doing a coffee and tap room kind of little general store type deal. You got Concrete Cowboy. Concrete Cowboy. There's one here in Austin. Some little bars that are around.

One here in Austin, one in Houston, one in Dallas. These little clubs are doing amazing. Yeah, they're fun, man. So down on West 6th Street here in Austin. They've got a lot going on. You can go tonight and go check it out. And what else? We might be opening a coffee shop in Houston.

We've got a couple of really big projects, and we've got some really cool stuff on the coffee forefront, stuff that hasn't been there before. And I think that's one of the most exciting things about where we are right now is people always ask, they go, hey, how, you know, and they're like, you're big in the CrossFit world or in the powerlifting world or in the fight world. And it's kind of like, you know, all of our lives we couldn't predict.

Like Lacey is their third partner in Caveman coffee and, um, and she split, but she's, uh, you know, she was saying on an earlier podcast that somebody, cause she's trained the highest levels, like sought after to train the highest levels of, uh, actors, like guys that make a hundred million dollars, um, in, in, in films. And so she's been a personal trainer like that. And people ask her, how did you get there? How did that occur? Now, I can tell you how, but you can't do it.

Like, you're going to have to do it your way. And that's the world we live in right now. It's like, it trips me out all the time when I think about Keith is how our lives have interweaved, gone away. And then come back together. And, like, it's been a trip but i couldn't have predicted it or i couldn't have even um uh like made a game plan for it like here's where we want to go with this these are all things that occurred we're in love with our interests and then we've tried to embolden our interests and honor them and the people that that that had taught us and

led us along the way i think and we have a certain kind of ethic and and and uh a code of honor i guess if you will to not sound cheesy or something and and that's brought us together and that kind of speaks through the things that we do and we just try to put cool shit into the world and and somebody on on a show a month ago or something had asked me what what do i what advice would i give to a young entrepreneur or somebody trying to do something, right? Especially in this realm, like all over, everybody's a trainer. Every dickhead that you know that graduated high school, I played football and I know how to do it.

I got a 225 bench press. I'll get after this. And because it's hard to know what to do and there's no crucible. There's no like rites of passage for young men anymore. And that's a tough place to be, I think, for us culturally. Like, we're very soft and comfortable in the United States. We're more comfortable than maybe every other country in the world. And I'm not thinking that that's a good thing, you know.

I'm not thinking safety is a good thing. So I think one of the things that's been super important in my life is to, you know, like Keith says, seek death, you know, and whatever you're doing, do it like you could die. Do it a hundred percent. Go after that thing with the fullest because you might not be here again. And I think that's a hugely vitally missed step that we have in how we're educating young people. I try to do something frightening every day. I try to get after my discomforts until I become like coach Greg Jackson would always say, you got to become comfortable where other men are uncomfortable. And when you get into those positions and you become a master and have

dominion over yourself, spiritually, intellectually, emotionally, physically, well, that's when you have something to give and offer, but it takes time to build that. And so I think we're, we're, we, we miss those things and so everybody looks after i want to be an entrepreneur i want to run a business i want to be a coach i get a blue belt or something in jujitsu i'll start a jujitsu gym that's gonna be awesome it's like like i can't tell you how dumb you sound right now you know and and and the thing is is like build yourself and and then you get to become something later. But having nothing and an idea doesn't make you something. It's kind of like if I were to say, well, what would make you successful?

If I gave you a million dollars, would that make you successful? Fuck no. It just gives you a million dollars. You know what I mean? You have to do shit for it. Right. To the degree that we could be helpful with others and to the degree that I could be helpful is the way that I've made myself useful. How adept am I at being a human?

Am I a professional human? Right. Or am I kind of mediocre at my shit? And I don't know. I think about it all the time. So with the stuff that we do, we're like, well, what can we put in the world that's not there? Where is there a lack? And how can I help the community around me?

Not like how can I help myself. How can I make the community around me? Not like how can I help myself. How can I make the community around me prosper? Whether that's my family, my town, my people. Those are the most selfish ways. The people closest to me, that's the most. How do I get global? We all want to think, go Lions, or whatever your fucking team is. Go America.

It's like, at what point am I rooting for humanity? And then at what point am I rooting for the air that I breathe? what point am I rooting for the oceans that are that I can swim in still thank God but maybe not in 10 years I won't be able to because we we humans I was at uh Eddie Bravo Invitationalist Jiu-Jitsu tournament and I took a picture of this toilet that's wrecked piss toilet paper everything it's a crime scene in. And, and I make a post and I go, humans are a trip. We treat a toilet as if we're never going to need it again. And that's how we treat the earth. You know, that's what, and so like, as far as like thinking about entrepreneurialism or products or this or that, it's like, how do I get a higher mind about

thinking about what's really going to be beneficial to the world? And, and, and whatever, you know, like that, I think it's a huge conversation to have, and I think it's a really important aspect for young men to go through. But I don't know. That's just what I've been thinking about. I feel like I just ranted all day. No, it's all good. I haven't even talked about barbells.

Fuck. No, that's all good. Preach on. I want to ask, you know, that's a powerful message. Like what led you to that mindset? Because did you always have that kind of confidence? That's always like this driven, powerful, like. I don't have any confidence now.

Yeah. I mean, well, I would say so. I mean, you guys are doing some big things. I'm doing things, but. You do a lot of different things. I can't. I don't know. What do you think, Keith?

What led you to that? I don't know, man. Well, I was talking to a kid the other day that what's he doing with his life and all that, like a really bright kid and all that, and he's working every day. But what does he go home and do? He goes home and he plays with his friends on video games and he whatever, drinks, whatever, smokes, maybe, whatever. But then he goes to work again. But he has

these dreams i want to be entrepreneur i want to do things and stuff well what are you doing with your free time you know you do your work every day like everybody has to pick up a job right away it's a crummy crummy job and you do that thing so you can do some work to do something you love right i happen to find fighting at a certain thing at a certain time in my life and that's what i love and i appreciate i gave everything I got all my free time. Went through that. I did two jobs all my free time. I was a trained for fighting.

And it's just like I learned how to do that. I learned that lifestyle. And then now fighting's over, and now I love to act, and I'm doing this K-Man thing. So all my free time is built on learning how to be an entrepreneur and learning how to be a better actor. And it's just this art that you have, you got to have an art in your life that you struggle with every day.

It's something that tortures you down into your soul that how do I become better at this? And, and how do I train smarter? Yeah. Tortures you in your soul. Huge. Yeah.

That's what I was going to say by a quick answer. When you're like, how do you get that? I was going to say the one thing that popped in my head, misery. You got to fall in love with being miserable. You got to fucking grind, man. People want to do shit, and they want to be an entrepreneur.

They want to be a badass weightlifter or a powerlifter or a crossfitter. But if you don't want to put in the work, how do you expect to do anything? But then there's the realization that it sounds like, oh, it's suffering and it's really hard in your life. But that's what makes it so. That's the journey. That's the juice, baby. If it's hard, it's going to feel good once you get there. I think it's this, man.

And I get it. I've always had it. I never wanted something that I didn't merit. I didn't want – and I guess I'd say ego. Maybe it's a healthy expression the ego in a way but I didn't if I had some shit and and it was given to me I knew that I knew that if I was on the outside if I was your eyes looking at me I'd be like yeah but he didn't earn it yeah and that's a real thing man where I grew up it was just like that and and so then in fights even I've won fights

or in grappling tournaments or something where I didn't train or I didn't do it justice. I didn't do honor to the people that showed me how to train or whatever. And I won. It's fucking empty, man. Right. There's no value there. I don't give a fuck if you win. I don't care.

And I know that there's a lot of other guys that feel that way, too, because we have conversations like this. Man. And so we would call it that we'd go i didn't earn it and you would say that and only other dudes in the room would know what you're talking about that you didn't earn that win you know and and and you earn it before you walk in you earn it before you slap hands you know did you earn it did you suffer did you get that you know what i mean did you pay the iron price it's the truth that's it right did you pay the iron price? That's the truth. The iron price. That's it, right? Did you pay the iron price?

You watch Game of Thrones? Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's almost like if there's no risk involved. I like that. I wasn't born to this. I paid the iron price. Holy fuck, yes, man.

Yes. Yeah. I'm sorry. Oh, nothing. Along those lines, it's almost if there's no risk involved, you know, you maybe get to that point, you think, man, I wasn't challenged enough. I don't feel like I had to grind for this. And that's when they're the most fulfilling is when you had to

like when you failed along the way yeah you know well that's where you learn have you accomplished anything without failing along the way and if you do if you get there and accomplish it either you're just really damn good or right you you know you weren't really challenged that's death to me if you find that groove in life where it's for some people whatever whatever, where you just do your 9 to 5, whatever. You just found this groove where you're at comfort, and you do X amount of work, and you get this back, and that's the way your life's going to go, and whatever. Like, that's death to me.

Like, risk every day. Risk something, you know? Yeah. Well, it goes back to what you were saying earlier. Yeah, it goes back to what you were saying earlier. Like, that comfort zone, you should be trying to push yourself out of that comfort zone. And even in trying to push yourself out of that comfort zone. And even in training, like that's how you grow.

That's how you get stronger. That's how you learn. There's an old school punk rock thing. There's an axiom where they go comfort's the death of desire. You know, satisfaction is the death of desire. Are you satisfied? I'm never satisfied. I'm always craving.

Yeah. And that's something in me. And maybe people are like, that's an unsettled soul or whatever. We could have conversations like that too, but it produces a lot of good man. And, and, uh, and I think that thing of being satisfied, you gotta be careful of like, I always, as a little kid, I was like, I just want to retire because this looks hard and I don't know how to do it. You're all alone and your back's against the wall and you're like, fuck man. Like that was like, and, now, man, I couldn't imagine it. There's so much I want to do.

And death is right behind me. And motherfucker, I've got things to do. I've got fucking things to do, man. And and regardless of how you live it, I don't give a shit if you're a Navy SEAL, if you're a bank robber, if you're working at the post office, if you're a cat. What like to think that death is any nearer? There's there's a great line, and it's one of the sophist or one, maybe it was Marcus Aurelius, but that says something like, you know, death is just as close to the. No matter what the illusion that it's not there because you're playing it safe, it's right there. So how are you going to seek death? You know, no matter what it is you're doing, because it's right there. And to live as if it's not is to live in, you know, state of lack of awareness. Now, dumb people are unaware.

That's part of the mark of being dumb. And so I think all of life in that way is how do I raise my awareness? How do I become more attuned? How do I start to see the future? Well, how do you do that? I think you watch and you learn and you listen and you become hyper aware. I mean, you become maybe paranoid even for parts of your life. You know, I used to read about mystery shit and stuff like that. And I read about a Secret Service guy I remember once.

And he's like, we've got to take different routes every day because the people that are watching you. And I thought, yeah, you've got to be about it. You've got to have your head on a swivel, and that's how life is. Life is a motherfucking war. It's not ease and comfort. It's ease and comfort. At the end of the day, I get home. I decide to not open my emails.

Door's closed behind me, and I'm feeling good. It's like, good, I have a couple hours of that relaxation. But then when I open my eyes again in the morning, man, it's fucking the war is on, man. And you better be aware or you're not going to win. Now you can survive in different ways, but it's surviving living. Am I just here to survive? And so I think there's these important questions that maybe don't have answers, but I think the merit is more in the question than in the answer anyway. I think that goes back to, um, goes back to being aware and also being present. One of the things that we talk about is if you're in the gym

and you're training, be there. Have awareness. Be there at the gym. You are there to do that task and get that shit done, get the work done. If you're off or you're on your phone the whole time, whatever, whatever, right? You can bring that down to even just be at the set that you're doing,

at the exercise you're doing instead of looking forward to, oh, then I got to do this and this and this. Just be good at what you're doing right now. Man, that's so true. Put 100% into it. And not just for you because you're going to get the benefit from that for sure. But the other thing is is the streets are watching all the time. And so there's some young kid that looks up to you

and he's watching what you're doing and you're doing some funky shit because your head's not in it. Yeah. You're literally doing the world a disservice. You know what I mean? It's like you're there to goddamn set an imprint, show somebody something

because people are watching and noticing if you've got a strong presence, regardless if you know they are or not. And it behooves you to give the universe your best yeah you know and i think just being aware of that i mean i for sure i say all that shit people like oh i saw you biting your fingernails that for sure you know what i mean it's constantly dieting you're never there yeah you're never there and so that brings up the next biggest thing about life i think is who are you surrounding yourself with because if my fingers in my mouth all the time he's gonna

slap my hand You know have somebody around that you trust that you know loves you that you've got a group of people around you that are raising Your vibration that's the way man If you got some and I don't care if they're your family or you grew up with them and they're your best friend from childhood If they got fucked up consciousness fucking later I love you from across the street, but I can't fuck with you because that energy affects me yeah and if i want the greatest good and the greatest output of of this carbon being well fuck i better be taking care and have awareness of who i'm around and what i'm around you know yeah i mean fueling yourself with people and energies is just as

important as what i fuel myself with when i eat, you know, for sure. Maybe more so. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, you are who you kind of hang out with for sure. I mean, my dad used to say that to me and I was like, you cocksuck. It's a rotten thing to say because I hung out with some not so great guys. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. You see that a lot. People's fear of that kind of change or the inability to move out of something like that because maybe they are too comfortable. Maybe they have the friends they have and they're just scared to have to work hard to make better friends or someone that's going to chat. Maybe they want to be challenged. Some people like, why do we have this natural ability to almost kind of fear challenge?

Well, I think a lot of people fear unknown too. Yeah. They don't know what the next. People choose poverty because they know it. Right. Even if they're, I mean, I had one of my good friends when I was growing up. And I grew up in Michigan. And it was one of the most impoverished counties in Michigan.

And he left and he got out for like a year, year and a half. Was making good money. Like really, really good money. Like I think he was doing $60,000, $70,000 a year. Which was, that was huge money, man. It's fucking, I mean, fuck. And he was driving back to Michigan. He's like, I'm going to go back for a visit, man.

I wonder if it'll be any different. I'm like, the shit is going to be exactly the same. Like there's going to be no difference. And he never left. That was like, fuck, 20 years ago. And now doing handyman jobs and whatever. And it's not to say this or that, but it's like that fear. I would see guys like that.

How did I learn that? By watching my surroundings. I go, ooh, that's an option too. You know, that could be me. Anytime I see a homeless guy, I go, that could be me. Like, easy. I see a junkie in the street, that could be me, man. That's fucking, I'm just seconds and fucking centimeters away from being that guy.

You better raise your vibration, Tate. What's kind of kept you from going there? That kind of craving, I guess, inside, you know? You never know, like, when you talk about, I was thinking about this the other day. And because I won't quit. Because of the people I hang out with. I'll quit on myself, but fucking I'm here and you know what I mean? So you're the enforcer.

You're the moaner. No, no, no. I just point to him as one of my closest friends. I mean, the same with Lacey. The same, you know, there's, I mean, I got a group of people around me and it's like I'm in it and they're counting on me. There's people counting on me. Yeah. There's people counting on me because I'm counting on them.

Yeah. You know? And I've got more thought for them than I do me. There's people counting on me. There's people counting on me because I'm counting on them, you know? And, uh, and I've got, I've, I've got more thought for them than I do me sometimes, you know? Um, going back to hanging out with positive influences and people that are going to bring you up, you said that, you know, you want to be a model for someone else because you never know who's watching, who has set that example for you can you you know have any mentors people that helped you growing up yeah a ton keith let's see uh i can mike winkle john's a big one for both of us there's a man who's made his own that's a quiet guy yeah it's just how he moves he's a the striking instructor over at jackson's okay um Guy's a businessman. He's really thoughtful. But again, he's very quiet.

He doesn't advertise it to everybody. Only recently is he out in the front. People are starting to know who he is. But he's been a role model for both me and Tate. Tate's showing me the way on a lot of things. Because I'm naturally one of the most introverted guys you'll ever meet. And Tate's kind of helped to bring me out of the shell. He's kind of opposite of me in that way.

So that's why I think we match up so well. It's just, I don't know, just always searching and looking for people in your life doing things that you might want to do. Like, Tate, I see people asking Tate all the time, like, because Tate's made it huge in both acting and stunts. But, hey, man, I want to be in stunts. It looks like fun. Like, how can i do what what you

do but that's not how you like you do it you observe the guy you watch the guy and like see how what he does every day to prepare himself and all that and really learn what the guy's about don't don't do him a disservice and saying like you just tell me a couple words i can go do what you do and i've done that with him i've done with all all people that do things that i think i want to do right on yeah yeah i, I get it watching people. Yeah, just watching. And watching Mr. Winklejohn, man. I mean, one of the things that, you know,

when I talk about confidence without merit or without substance, it's that kind of a thing. Guys like Mr. Winklejohn, guys like Greg Jackson, like there's, you know, Keith Jardine, like there's guys like that that are, there's, there's, there's bad, there's mediocre, there's excellent. And there's guys that are fucking above excellent. And those guys are all top grade fucking humans. And, and I'd see all these other guys that are some subpar motherfuckers putting out

books, seminars, this, that, the other thing. Right. And, and, and I'm like, those guys are just quiet and doing the work and doing the damn thing, you know? And it's an interesting juxtaposition. And so I was like, I want to be somewhere in the middle because I want to get paid for the work that I'm doing. But at the same time, like, there's a real honor in that kind of silence.

Too busy walking the walk to talk the talk. Then that's a big part. They're walking. That's the thing, though, isn't it, though? Because I have it ingrained in me. I know how to work hard. I can go to the gym and work hard. I can work hard in life.

I've done that. But that doesn't really – I mean, that's probably maybe the most important trait, but it doesn't help you to get excellent. You've got to find role models you got to find people that's done it before that they can help you choose the right way work smarter not harder that whole thing working hard is the easy part but finding somebody to show you the way that's the hard part you got to keep your eyes open and even if you don't know what to do you guys look every day like i might want to do that i'm you got to have your mind open all the time because something's going to show up in front of you and you're like that's what i want to do that's it now how do i

pursue that find somebody that's done that before is that is that how like how did y'all come to the caveman coffee is that kind of the path just by a like a passion of of coffee and then we started learning more and then the more i think the more you start vibrating a certain energy like things start to attract and and um and and Lacey had some free time and and we'd started like a a coffee truck that would take to events and then Keith and I were on a movie together we started talking and Keith met these guys that are these roasters and like but it just came for love of it it came for the passion of it and we just wanted to share coffee it wasn't even that we thought of a business, I guess, that way. And, you know, I think of the thing, you know,

I've just been puzzling on what your question was about role models and how do you get that way or the guys that showed you this. I guess I'd always hoped there was when I was a little kid, you know. And then I noticed, guys, that, you know, you go out to light the world on fire, and then you run out of matches kind of, and then you're left there holding your dick, and you're like, all right. So I didn't know as much as I thought I knew. And I looked at that, and I looked at all the opportunities,

because fucking, dude, we're in a river, right? And opportunities are steady, fucking flying by us for sure. All the time. Purposes, opportunities, everything. And I was blind to all of them. I never saw. And then in retrospect, when I woke up. Why do you think you were blind? Because I was because I was obsessed with self. I had a lot of self-obsessed interest at that time. And and I was living in a real monodimensional kind of way.

And so whatever. But, like, you know, I start looking at things like that. And when I become aware of that, I had such shame and regret that I didn't take the opportunities that were a lot of times generously and graciously offered. And I go, fuck, that's what that was. And I go, I'm never going to not be prepared to be utilized when an opportunity comes again. And so a lot of it is like, there's a Latin phrase called via negativa

that is like, I don't learn by going, that looks like a great idea. I learn by going, I went with the shit idea. I thought I had all these good ideas. They were all this way. And then I go, okay, let's go the other way. And that's a lot of the way that I learned a lot of the way.

I mean, you know, if every time that you dip this way, you get punched in the face, you're like, okay, maybe I'm going to dip another way. It's been trial by fire. So a lot of that is like that for me. And so then I start noticing those things

and I go, I never want to not be prepared and and what does being prepared mean then and i guess it goes back to the rites of passage in that way you know for me being prepared is um intellectually spiritually emotionally physically if i'm not prepared on all those fronts then i'm deficient man and uh i see that a lot a lot of guys are like i need to learn to fight so i can be a tough guy and there's a lot of guys that are like i'm super intellectual so i'm i'm above the fold of all these idiots that are worried about their body you know that's a fucking base kind of way to go through life and and both people are wrong you know and everybody's wrong in that

circumstance to not be well-rounded is is to almost be spitting in the face of your creator like you've been given all these gifts and assets. Why are you not getting yourself to the ultimate vibration of what this being can achieve? And I think about that all the time. And so I don't want to not do it all service and justice in that way, I guess is one of the things that drives me in it. And I think, you know, people are like, well, how do you find your purpose? You know, that's a long time coming i don't know what's your purpose and then

i gotta go what is my purpose it's just like training if you don't what do you say to a new guy that where do you want to go are you training for are you want to be a triathlete you want to be a power lifter you want to be an mma fighter like what are your goals if i don't know where you're going i can't get you there right That's some of the hardest questions sometimes. And so that purpose is something I think that unfolds. What I tell everybody is get dominion over yourself, over all the aspects of yourself, and then you'll be ready if the purpose ever shows itself. But God help you if the purpose comes right now and you're not ready,

and then you're a mediocre motherfucking representation of that purpose. Well, that's a shameful fucking existence. Because there's's all kinds of like if it's all just waiters and you're like i could be a waiter at denny's or i could be a waiter at a five-star restaurant you're going to be reading different books if you're a waiter at a five-star restaurant than if you're a waiter at denny's you're going to be having different opportunities with different clients if you're a waiter at a five-star restaurant than if you're a waiter at denny's you're gonna have different sets of friends you're gonna have different opportunities with different clients if you're a waiter at a five-star restaurant than if you're a waiter at Denny's. You're going to have different sets of friends. You're going to have different attention to detail about how you look, about how you present yourself, about what your diction is, everything.

And so, you know, when you put it and you go simply, would you like to be subpar? Would you like to be excellent? What kind of dickhead is it that's like, ah, I'm good with being subpar? There's some out there, but I can't, for me that, you know, it's that via negativity. I'd rather kill myself, man. I hear that a lot, too. It's like, oh, I just want to be okay.

Good luck. Why would you want to be fucking mediocre? No, man, we need ditch diggers. I need all that. Yeah, yeah. Good for you. I think passion is a big thing. You got to have passion about what you're doing.

You find that you have the opportunity. It comes to you. But if you don't have the passion for it, if you don't care enough, I think that's what's going to break you. Yeah, you've got to care. Yeah. Yeah, it's a common trend. You get stuck maybe chasing after something that you're not passionate about,

but the fear of getting away from that is something that people challenge, that go through a big challenge with that. You guys, you know, starting something like this is really cool. You're here setting up this event. You're having a blast. It's probably, I'm not saying it's easy work, but when you enjoy it that much more, it makes it a lot easier. Sure.

What's cool about here, too, is today is we've got the owners here doing this. Right. Tate and Lacey. Yeah. Yeah, that speaks highly about your brand. That's pretty awesome. Keith, what are you passionate about? we got the owners here on doing this right. Yeah. And Lacey. Yeah. Yeah. That speaks highly about your brand. That's pretty awesome. Keith,

what are you, what are you passionate about? What are you? Life, man. Um, you know, just right now it's just,

uh, day to day, man, we'll go down the rabbit's hole here. What am I passionate about? I'm passionate about self discovery. You know, uh,

I'm passionate about every day trying to find more about, um, from, from, from,'m passionate about every day trying to find more about, from I was this big to what happened to create me who I am right now and just trying to discover myself and to grow that way. And that trickles off to every other aspect of my life because all my weaknesses, whether it be with coffee or with acting or with whatever else is all stemmed from from whatever is here from childhood and so that's my passion right now yeah um we go what have you learned about like what have you discovered kind of about yourself um man that's you really got me man i know you know know, I'm very protective of them. I don't want to get too much into this.

I'm very protective of myself. I'm very much like I only let people see what I want to let them see. And to be able to be on a podcast like this talking to you guys like 15 years ago, way man you know it's funny i used to walk i used to walk up uh like i knew like he would go and drink coffee and read books after training and shit and uh and so but he didn't like to talk to anybody but he'd be in a public coffee house and uh and so but be nervous because like people come up and fucking, Hey, can I get a picture? And so I would always sneak up around the side and be like, Hey, can I get a pic? Like always, but like, yeah, man, it's like, it's a, it's, I got my, one of my first jobs

I moved to Albuquerque from, from college. I was a college football coach, which I had okay time with. I was a personal trainer and, uh got ulcer-like symptoms in my stomach because I was so nervous. I had to talk to somebody for an entire hour. What do I talk about? I used to have to sleep on my stomach on a bottle because my stomach hurt so bad because I was so nervous about having to come up with small talk for an hour.

That's hard. You got out of that quick? Small talk kills. Not quick at all, man. I'm still like um like still a personal so yeah well i want to ask so if you if you discover that about yourself what's the difference from knowing hey i'm a fucking actor right now man like yeah i was about to ask i go to auditions and tate and i were talking about this the other day and like

that's all about like you gotta just like i don't care about the way i'm talking right now you just there it is man this is this here's my soul if you're doing a good job. And that's why I love the art of that so much right now because it's helping me. More than fighting. Fighting, you can hide all those insecurities. You can be nervous a whole day of fight and just be a wreck in the locker room and get out to the fight and get hit a couple times. Oh, now it's a fight.

Now I'm going to go. Like I got over all those insecurities. I hid that pretty well. And people say I look real tough, so I'm the most secure person you'll ever see. So you can hide that in acting. You cannot hide that, man. You go out in that audition room and you're completely butt-ass naked. Is that what you like most about it is the mental challenge?

It's helping me confront all those things. Facing yourself? Well, I mean, it's you. Like, Tay you what you were saying earlier like we walk in audition like you gotta be fucking authentic i think that's what being a uh a fighter is like too in a way i mean for me it's like that thing where you can distill and dilate time at the same time like you can bring time down into this two minutes or whatever a five minute round say but then it dilates into these these moments that happen are sometimes elongated something that looks like four seconds to an observer becomes fucking 15 minutes and you're you're in a different place man and and there's all that that happens and so i think

to go out you know i mean we're all whores right everybody's selling their wares i don't care if it's your ass or your intellect if you write beautifully if you're a beautiful painter if you're selling your fucking time by by being a cashier somewhere everybody's selling themselves and and you're just trying to barter for what that price is everybody Everybody. And in that, like, you know, you're fighting in your underwear in front of fucking people

for entertainment for other people. Like, there's no bigger whore than that. Like, that's, you know what I mean? Like, that's really the definition if we're going to talk about that. But you're competing against somebody that's best in the world. You're top, top, top level.

And he's trying to kill you. In his mind, he's trying to freaking kill you, man. It's the bare essence of all competition and all being is right there happening on display. And so who are you in that position? Now who am I? Because there's this ego that I can defend over here of how it looks to everybody else.

That won't last long. But then there's what's actually happening here, and that's when he's talking about you get hit. You're like, oh, here I am. I'm right here right now. There's no other time because if I slip and I think about that, I'm knocked out or whatever. And so when those are the odds, when those are the consequences,

you look at that kind of distillation of time, now you're looking like, and maybe it sounds weird to a listener, but then you distill it even more because now you have 20 seconds in front of a casting agent in a room. And it's not the setting. And now it's all yours to fuck up right there. And that's the thing. When the consequences are steep of like it's either going to be a yes or no, a win or a loss, damage or no damage. You start setting steeper and steeper consequences with smaller and smaller time allowances.

Because if I slip up in the cage, I slip and I fall. Well, I can get up and I can. If you do that in an audition, that's a wrap. If you show a hint of nervousness, done. It ruins the whole thing. And so I think that's what I talk about. I don't know if that explains it more. But how do you increase the consequences so that you you have to

live um correctly exactly you have to have a real yeah you gotta you gotta you gotta like we talked about earlier you gotta be present and i think you've got to be authentic you know i want to know much of that is is being reactive versus being present whereas like what what what about it is instinctual sometimes so when you're in the ring i mean are you you obviously want to be present you want to know so you can make decisions and move a certain way and avoid getting hit in the fucking head um but at the same time you know can you you can get your own way and get in your own head in the way that both the same thing um being present is being reactive so okay if you're right in the moment then you're going to react right away that that's that's the hard thing is to be completely

present and then so you can be reactive so quick when you start escaping that thinking about uh whatever technique was or or so i hear the coach say this or whatever oh then you're not reacting yeah yeah well it's a balance yeah it's get in trouble. I compete in weightlifting. When you walk out on their platform, there's nothing but you and the barbell. You are in a completely present reactive state. You can almost feel your body responding almost instantaneously to everything that's going on.

That is being present. That bar leaving the ground, it's all happening so slow, instantaneously to like to everything that's going on and that's that's that is that bar that bar leaving the ground it's all happening so slow but it's so fast right yeah yeah and i think it's also like it's important to have the distinction between uh reactive and responsive and proactive and like there's a there's a lot of that kind of i'd rather be proactive in a fight i don't want to have to be responsive in a way i want to respond correctly but if i'm reactive maybe that's what he wants like you you can see it in fights where guys like i always think of carlos condit and nick diaz nick's trying to provoke him and make him be reactive to him carlos is trying to respond in kind and then carlos comes back in and is proactive and then he you know then he responds That's some Musashi tread down the sword stuff.

But you want to be careful of all that, right? So you can get – like I said, life's a war. And so am I reacting when this guy acts like that? And what is that going to do for me in my future? And am I doing my future self any favors by behaving this way? I was going to say, how do you apply that to life? Everything. It's everywhere. It's everywhere. It's when somebody treats you what's in your estimation poorly. I think it's when you're offered a business deal and you're like, oh, I'm scared if I don't take it, I don't want them to go away. And then you react to it. That's not, that's not owning your shit, man. You know what I mean? It's like, and so there's, there's, it comes up in every nuanced way. And I think if you start to be thoughtful, there's a lot of guys that fight that don't think like this, for sure. This isn't like, oh, this is how fighters are.

There's a lot that do. But I think the biggest aspect of it that you've got to bring forward is going, I'm doing this small little thing. How does that translate later? How does this small little thing? You've got to make thing third or fourth move well and then and then also how does this also how is this how is that vibration of the butterfly wing the same as if i faint how is that the same as the way the ocean moves honestly that's a funny thing you brought

up i think the best fighters in the world do that innately like um there's a way that you can go through whatever battle but you're still not there yet it's still not happening innately but there ignorance is bliss, and there's fighters that that's just their program to have that kind of personality. And they're the ones that, man, just blow me away. That's more important than any kind of skill. You see guys in there that I know guys personally, I can say, that don't have the best skill in the world but are the best in the world, rated top 10 pound for pound in the world just because they have that right mindset. And it's something that they just have yeah and then you see the same person tate talks about all the time that just has that thing and then now whatever

success money got knocked out or something like that and you can see the second it changes and every fight's now they're not invincible anymore in every fight from then on like then the thoughts creep in their head right and then now how do you bring that around again to know when the thoughts creep in the head now i learned how to deal with those thoughts and to get back to whatever mindlessness i was at it's almost near impossible that's crushing i watched that 30 for 30 a few days ago with the orlando magic and nick anderson back in the day uh it was a playoff game he missed several free throws in a row like one after another after another and it was so much pressure that it almost seemed career-ending. You remember that, CTP?

Because you could see it in the later games that when he would come back, he would turn away from doing free throws. It just almost sucked the life out of him. And it was rough to see because you just get so inside your head. And reacting is exhausting. If you're constantly reacting, it is exhausting. There's a thing about responding correctly in the right situation and that's what training is right is that like that's what you you hope for and and it's the same it's the same in acting in that way in that

i've done enough repetitions i've put in enough work i've done all the numbers that when i'm in the fray of battle i have to count on my training. Because like everybody says, if you think, oh, I need to jab right after he hooks and I slip, you're too late. You're already too late. You have to trust your body and let it move, and you have to go into this altered state. There's an altered state that you have to go into.

There's a great book on it, The Rise of Superman. It talks a lot about that. But if you're not able to let yourself go because you're so in your head because you're nervous so that's how you have to have dominion over yourself and and that's why every day it's a different fighter i mean we're talking about navy seals earlier and uh what i thought about was like there's guys that ring out of buds that maybe on a different day would have never rang out of buds. You know what I mean? It's just like not every day you're the same man. Yeah. And so how do you tune it in?

Like that's the crucible. That's what every fighter, every coach wants to be able to do. How do I dial him in so that I can get the same guy that can get the same result every day? You can't. Yeah. Yeah, we need him to show up on game day. Yeah. Yeah, I tell people like i

tell lifters all the time like especially in their first meet or they're nervous they're going into a meet it's like you just gotta trust your training like you know what to do you gotta trust your training you've gone through the repetitions you've you've put in the work you just gotta go and do what you know what your body knows how to do and just go there's a real art to throwing it all away yeah to putting in all the numbers to having it ingrained in your body knows how to do and just go. There's a real art to throwing it all away. Yeah. To putting in all the numbers, to having it ingrained in your body and then throw it all away and just fucking walk up to that bar and fucking go. Yeah.

And, and if you don't do that, you're going to move clunky mechanically and you're not going to get a beautiful fluid movement, you know? Yeah. And I, I think that's maybe the biggest aspect is ingraining it in your body.

So cellularly you're like, I'm, I'm here yes there's no question and i mean it just i think it goes back to you know in training you're pushing yourself out of that that comfort zone that's where you learn what you can do and what you can't that's where you live yeah gotta test it too i don't know if it's the same in weight lifting because it's such big compound movements but um you know they say practice makes perfect all the time but like it gets left out that it's it's it's perfect practice that makes perfect right and so like even when guys shadow box or they do jujitsu they want to

drill everybody wants to go too quickly because they want to look flashy they want to look a certain way yeah the deal is is as slow as you can go to move perfectly, that will translate in real time, in speed, even though you're moving in slow motion right now. And I think that's the thing is you got to decide, do I want to be better or am I trying to somehow feed my ego? Yeah. Yeah. There's your application to training. Did I leave today better at my craft or just did i just do more work right did i actually leave better at that movement yeah yeah yeah man powerful i talk to people about that all the time going into practice is like are you just gonna go there you're gonna go there they got

you're gonna drill three moves and then you're gonna go go spar whatever rounds you just go through the motion you do what they tell you to do and you want you leave and you go on the day there's a person that's gonna improve maybe a half a percent every day or do you leave and you go on with the day. There's a person that's going to improve maybe a half a percent every day. Or are you going there with a game plan? This is what I did last time. I was good at this, bad at this. I'm going to get better at this. I'm going to find a way to get to this position again and work on that.

I'm going to drill. I'm going to find a way how those drills, those moves, apply to all these things that I'm working on. Listen to what he's saying. Yeah. You listen to what Keith's saying right now. And what he leaves out is, and this gets passed by if you don't listen and he says you got to find a way to get put in that position he's allowing guys to put him in a bad position how do i work this in a

way that authentically that i'm not telling you to put me in a deficit i'm going to work myself into a deficit so i can work myself out of this and i'm not going to fucking tell you about it there's times when guys would watch keith and i spar i remember a guy one time he's like dude you are whooping that ass and uh no no no first mouth let's not ever say that again and what happens in here you need to know that this is what happens in here and the other thing i said and you don't know enough to have a commentary on that's why it blows my mind when fans have commentary on on whatever it is you don't even know what you're watching and and and and what that kid was watching is he's watching uh mr winkle john

having a direction of going hey i want you to do these three movements keith work on this inspiring and so keith is married to that even though he can knock me out whenever he wants, he's not. And he's moving in this way to put himself in a position. So he has to, that's true that you can do that shit all you want, but that's real life, you know? And so, um, those are things. So what, what's the biggest thing is having your ego put out of the place where you go, I don't care if I look bad to everybody else. I don't care what everybody else thinks. Because like you said, am I going to get better with this or am I going to be in the same conversation that I was in yesterday and I'll be in tomorrow? Keith, I think that was so huge. What you just said about having a game plan, like coming in. I don't think a lot of people do that. I don't think, I think a lot of

people just go to the gym and they're just going to go through the motions and just, you know, I got this, I got five by five today. I'm just going to do that. That's in life. That's whatever you're doing with gym, whatever. Whatever you're trying to get better at, that's it. It just doesn't happen through reps. You got to come up with a game plan and leave and rate yourself at the end of the day. How did you do that day? And how can you do better the next day?

Stop wasting days. And otherwise, you're going to be reactive to life. You're going to be proactive. Boom. Right? And where do you want to live? You know, am I going to be reactive to life? And that becomes, am I going to become a victim of life?

Is life happening to me? Or am I happening to life? What do I want to put in the stream of life? Because death's right here, man. It's right tugging on my fucking shirt. And so you only got right now to put it in there. You better be careful what you choose. Oh, man.

That's powerful. Folks, we're going to leave you with that. Guys, we're almost running out of time. They're shutting down the building on us. Thank you so much for coming on the show. It's been really inspiring. Real quick, anything you guys want to plug? Where can people find you?

Caveman Coffee. Watch Preacher on AMC, man. Keith's all through that bitch. I was just in the pilot. It's a badass. I think it's going to be better than Breaking Bad. Tate and I have been together on probably 15 different 15 different things we played brothers on uh what is it it's not coming out I'm warning everyone we played okay check that out it's because the beers check out uh

keep Jardine 205 on Instagram okay I'm Tate Fletcher everywhere uh Pirate Life Radio is my podcast and uh pirate fuck cavemanCoffee.com If they had one movie of yours to watch what would it be? There's this little kid's show called Jesse

a Disney show and it was awesome because it's great to be admired little kids are like oh my god and you're like I'm a cool kid

with nine year olds this is awesome that's the best show Can I watch that now? Is that out now? Yeah yeah yeah but the best thing I think

so far the most fun one that has been the biggest was Equalizer was huge, I think. Oh, my gosh. That was really dope, right? You haven't seen that? No, I haven't. I was going to bring up Sicario. Oh, Sicario was dope, too.

Oh, man. Equalizer. Didn't you kill a bunch of dinosaurs, too? I shot a genetically modified organism of a pterodactyl. You can barely see me, but I'm sitting across the street. He's sitting right across from me. When I shoot up here, he's sitting right across from me. Oh, man, that is awesome.

I'm going to check that out. Equalizer, I'll check it out. Yeah, and then coming out shortly. Huh? Yeah, Jurassic World, yeah. Jurassic World, okay. We're standing next to each other and John Wick. Yeah, I got head shot,

and then he got shot right after me running down the hallway. I was watching that. I was like, you just got shot. Yeah. Peace up, man. Peace up. The Accountant, there's a Ben Affleck movie coming out that, I don't know, I look forward to seeing what it is.

There's a lot of damage on that show, but it was a lot of fun, too, man. Okay. It was killer. Great. Appreciate it, guys. Thank you so much for your time. This was a blast. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.