Barbell Shrugged - The Big Shifts After Enlifted & The Strong Coach with Grant Thomas - Strong Coach #5

Episode Date: November 23, 2019

Today we have Grant Thomas. He's been through our Enlifted certification and The Strong Coach 90-Day Program as well. He left a startup to start training clients to find out that he had to work a second job just to cover all his bills each month. He had the personal training clients, didn't make enough, also had to work the weekends. Now, he's got his client training workload down to three days a week and requires no additional work. He's going to share his journey with us today. You're going to get a lot out of it. Enjoy the show.

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And today we have Grant Thomas. He's been through our Enlifted Certification and the Strong Coach 90-Day Program as well. He left a startup to start training clients to find out that he had to work a second job just to cover all his bills each month. So he had the personal training clients, didn't make enough, also had to work the weekends. And now he's got his client training workload down to three days a week and requires no additional work. So he's going to share his journey with us today. You're going to get a lot out of it. Enjoy the show. Dude, you've done the Enlifted Cert and you're in the Strong Coach now. What got you into the Enlifted Cert? I was going through some stuff and the message around the Enlifted program really resonated with me. You were talking about it on a podcast and you said something. I was thinking about the

Strong Coach and it was appealing to me, but you said something like, this is what I'm most passionate about right now. And if you really want to see what I'm working on, this is the program. And it was the beta program. It was accessible. I jumped in and it was more than I bargained for and an amazing experience. What specifically did you think you were going to get out of it? And then what did you end up getting out of it? I really wasn't sure. Your message with your podcast just really resonated with me and your approach to fitness, your story about where you are now. I identified with it. It wasn't the same story, but beating up the body and to see where you are now and to hear how you talk about the relationship

with the body and the relationship with yourself. I was intrigued by that. I didn't really know. So when I hopped in, it was interesting. There was a lot of talk about language and stories. And I saw the value right away, but I had no idea where that would go. In terms of what I got out of it, I found the relationship with the inner voice. Before, I was the inner voice. We were the same thing. What I thought was me. And that was incredibly damaging, especially with what I was going through earlier this year. Associating yourself with the inner voice was damaging.

Yeah, big time. I mean, there was no differentiation. I was my thoughts and we all have fucked up thoughts. And so when certain things come up in your head and you're just like, oh, well, I was like, this is what I think. This is what I think of myself. Just share a little tidbit of a certain instance. Before I was in the Unlifted program, I was beating myself up for a lot of different things. And when I got into something about the bathroom and in the shower, when you're going to the bathroom, taking a shit, whatever, all these thoughts kind of come up. And I was sitting in the shower and my inner voice said, you're a piece of shit. And I didn't just take that in as like, and I was like, oh, you know, whatever.

I gave that voice my actual voice. I said, you're a piece of shit out loud. That turned into, I'm a piece of shit. And going through this program and recognizing that I'm not my thoughts, negation acknowledged, but I can choose what thoughts I identify with and which ones I just let go or laugh at. It was super powerful. And so I began to see myself a lot differently. I had a lot more love for myself and appreciation for my life. And then I began to see how that impacted how I was going about my business, how that impacted all my relationships. And getting back to myself, getting that self-talk

and building that relationship with the inner voice, the Billy or the Grant was big. I began to be okay with what was going on in my head rather than thinking that something was wrong with me, thinking that those thoughts were me. So it was just a huge mentality shift for me. I had never thought about it that way. I've been going through my life, just beating myself up mentally, emotionally, and physically. There was a moment during the certification because we were all on a call. So the way the certification works is, you're smiling so big right now, I love it.

I imagine that you're imagining the same instance. And the way the certification works is we meet every week for 90 days. And there's an hour long call and we dig in with people and we keep evolving the way we do it. So the way you did it, one of the things that we did with you changed how we do things from moving forward. And that's why I was excited about you coming to town and us getting to sit down and talk is because something we did with you

is something we now do with everybody. And you specifically had a back injury, right? Yeah. specifically had a back injury right yeah and there was a story about it and on the other side of the work this is what i love is you were in a lot of pain and then after the work you were relieved of a lot of the pain tell us about because i remember you coming in with the story and we started shifting it and then over uh, three week period, there was a complete shift in your approach. Yeah. I saw the, oh, I changed my language and I changed how I see myself. That's going to then dictate my actions. But when we actually got into the story work, that's where the biggest shift was. And that was a mental and emotional shift, but I also felt that

very physically. My injury wasn't something that was, it wasn't an acute injury. It wasn't an instance where it just happened. It was something that built over time. It was a tension in the thoracic region of my back that I just continued to ignore and just hammer with more weights and more tension. I'm sitting here like 163 pounds. I was 198 pounds at that point. And I remember playing like flag football in college and I still had all the speed. I'd always been a fast kid, all the speed, but I remember trying to cut, and I could not cut. And I took out this guy's legs, and it could have been really bad, just because I was so out of control with my body.

Were you a beefy 198? Were you a fat 198? No, no, I was not a fat 198. I was pretty, people were like, dude, that guy's big. That guy's muscular. It's funny you say 198, because guy's big. That guy's muscular. It's funny you say 198 because that's the heaviest I ever was. And I can never break 200.

Two bills. Pretty similar height. Yeah. Similar height. Like 198 for guys of our structure were built similarly. Yeah. That's a, that's a lot of fucking weight on this frame. This frame is not meant for that much weight. No way. And so I

really identified with, it wasn't the injury. There was no injury. It was more I identified with the pain. When you say you identified with the pain, what was your language around it then and what shifted? It was ownership over it. It was my back pain. It was part of me and it limited me too. I remember one night just having thoughts like, hey, you know, just because your back hurts doesn't mean you can't just go out and enjoy basketball. And I like made plans in my head, like, oh, I'm going to go play basketball tomorrow. And then the next morning I woke up and I was like, you know what? No, like my back's stiff. I'm broken. There's no way I can go out there and do that.

And so it really became a part of my identity. And then the other aspect of it was, and this is something that with neural patterning and neural grooving, it's a process to come out of, but shifting the language has helped a lot with that. But holding my body differently, I was holding my body in ways I was seeking out pain where I could find it

rather than just trying to relax through it. So if it was gone, it would be like I had to get back to it. And it was like I was addicted to a certain posture or addicted to a certain sensation. Six months ago, if I would have told you you're addicted to your pain, what would have been your response?

I don't even know. Like there's been such a big mentality shift. I mean, I probably would have said you're crazy. Like I think the other thing with it was that I was looking for quick fixes too. So if you- I remember that you were saying like you're using all these methods and then it didn't work and you'd go do something else

Yeah, so I wasn't trusting the process One thing I brought up is that when I did go see a specialist I wanted them to tell me that something was wrong in my back I wanted that injury. I wanted them to cut me open Because you wanted the quick fix. I wanted we can identify what's wrong, then we can fix it and it'll be gone forever. Yeah. Yeah. I searched a bunch on like thoracic outlet syndrome and syndrome is just a word for when they don't really know what's causing it. Like thoracic outlet syndrome could be a lot of different things. And that could also be very mental and emotional as well. So I identified with the thoracic outlet syndrome

and I thought something was wrong with me. And then when they told me that, they're like, hey, everything looks good in the imaging. I was frustrated. Like I broke down and cried. And at that point, I really wanted to be a trainer. And this is when I was like, probably 19, 20. And how old are you now? I'm 28. I just turned 28 last week. So happy birthday. Thanks,

man. It's been a crazy year in the best possible way. A lot of challenges thrown my way, but that's something that everything I've gone through this year, if you talked to me at the beginning of the year and said, this is what you're going to get this year, I would have been like, oh fuck. Like those are problems. I don't want that to happen. And all the language would have been oriented around that rather than, okay. What you want to avoid. Yeah. What I wanted to avoid rather than like really diving into it and viewing those opportunities. Or if you want to use a word like challenges, and that's really how I'm looking at

it. I used to freak out about the sensations in my back that I experienced occasionally. And now the approach is, okay, I'm figuring it out. And sometimes that figuring out is just sitting with it and appreciating it. That it's a signal that something is off. And look at everything that's going on in your life and how you're going about things. And how can we bring that into more alignment? And it's funny, you bring those other things into alignment, your spine starts to, my spine, starts to fall into place. Whatever's happening psycho-emotionally and spiritually will manifest itself physically.

Absolutely. Five, 10 years ago, if you would have said that to me, I would have gone, I viewed all these things as separately and I would have looked at you cockeyed. And now I go, now I can't see it any other way. It's so obvious. What I would have been opposed to is now obvious. And so I like having these types of conversations and being able to record them and for people to hear them because this is how we get to get people to see things differently.

Absolutely. Yeah. And same thing for me. Five, 10 years ago, I just did the Check Holistic Lifestyle Coach this weekend. And the first time I came across Paul Check was like 10 years ago. Yeah. And I actually came across the video that I saw with him. It was like 10 years ago. And I was in college and I was like, oh man, this guy's super jacked. And then he starts talking about the connection with spirit and whatnot. And I was just completely turned off.

And I didn't revisit Paul's work until about two years ago. I had a similar experience. I remember reading Paul's stuff way back in the day and just writing him off as he knows what he's doing. He's a smart guy, but not really my flavor. And then reengaging with him in the last few years and going, holy shit, this guy has got it figured out. And then there's even things he says now where I go, I don't know about that. And then I watch myself.

I go, yeah, you thought he was crazy 10 years ago, but the guy's got 20 years on me. He's got 20 years on me. I go, he's got 20 years of experience. And I used to think he was crazy. And now most of what he says makes sense. Maybe I should pay attention to what he's saying about the stuff that I have resistance to. Yeah. It's interesting. You have those, well, let me bring it back to what I'm experiencing

or have experienced over the years. I have those thoughts of, oh, I have those signals from my body, those thoughts, the sensations in my body, organ dysfunction, different things go on. And I had that back when I was 19. And I could sit here and say, oh, man, I really wish I was at this point back then so I could start this healing journey that much earlier. But I also went through a lot of interesting things in those 10 years to bring me to this point. And one of those things was giving up on training and coaching. You gave up on training and coaching? Yeah. I gave up on it. I still trained personally and I was, again, more of a quick fix sort of thing, smashing my back with a lacrosse ball and trying to alleviate tension that way. And it was just a very temporary effect. And sometimes it would help, but it didn't bring me anywhere. And I didn't know any other way. I was just lifting heavy weights. I knew what I knew and that's what I was going to do. So I gave up on my dream

of being a coach. Now I'm a coach. So that journey, I went through school and school was cool. I went to the University of Oregon. I studied business and entrepreneurship there. And I made a goal of working for a small startup. I wanted something that was more bootstrapped. And I got a job at a small startup and eventually became the director of marketing there and was there for four years. And around the three-year mark of working there, I was like, okay, I want to rededicate myself to just discovering my body and getting back in shape and seeing what I can do about the dysfunction and the misalignment of my body. And I began to see a physical therapist. I began to see a trainer. And both of them said something to the effect of the way you talk about this stuff, the way how you show up and how

dedicated you are. I think you should look into this a little bit more in terms of a career. And I had expressed that to them. But over the course of working bit more in terms of a career. And I had expressed that to them, but over the course of working with me, they really saw that. And so six months into that year, I signed up for a NASM cert just to get started. And I got certified and then left my desk job and then joined a team of trainers at a gym as an employee. And that was another big wake-up call. It was a big step for me. But I said yes a lot. I was also put in the position where I didn't have to.

But my thought process back then was, oh, I had to do this. I had to say yes. There's no other trainers that are going to service this client. And I was working at two locations, riding my bike back and forth in San Francisco. And some days I would do like six to eight sessions and have to go back and forth a bunch and ride my bike home. And I'd have like 20 miles of riding.

And it was like stressful San Francisco riding. Horrible roads, the worst drivers, and just high strung. It's a crazy city, man. Yeah. Yeah. And so a year into that, this was actually, I had joined the Enlifted program, I think it was either March or April was that initial month.

April. April. Or May. So I had already decided that I was going to leave. And so I had started to orchestrate that I was going to leave. And so I had started to orchestrate how I was going to go about it. And then I left in at the end of April and started at this gym, a small gym that I'm paying rent at. And at the time I thought it was way too expensive of rent, but I was like, you know what? It's a good fit. I really like the vibe here and I want

to be here. And I started my business and I've been running it for about six months now on my own. And it's so much more in alignment. So I was running myself into the ground. I wasn't getting paid well. I had to say yes a lot. My schedule was all over the place. And I felt that mentally and physically, it impacted everything in my life. And so when I did finally jump ship and I told myself, I told Danny on our initial call for the strong coach that I want one day off during the week. Now that's two days off. So I only work Monday, Wednesday, Friday now. You're working three days a week and paying your bills. Yep. Nice. So it's great. I was able to modify my schedule to fit that. And then I just started saying no. And when people are like, oh, can you come in on Tuesday? And I'm like, no, can't. And I have a few clients on Tuesday that I just meet at a park and it's really chill. So I guess I have some work on those other days, but it just gives me an opportunity to focus on other things, myself,

grow my business, spending time with my friends and my family. And yeah, it's saying no and understanding that in order for me to show up, not just as a coach, but show up for everybody in my life, every relationship as my fullest and best self, I choose to and I get to take that time to take care of myself and rest and come back to me. I imagine people hear this and go, this guy went from working, what, six days a week or five days? Certainly. I was also working a weekend job slaying some produce at the farmer's market. So I wish it was like super laborious work too. There's a lot of lifting. And so some weeks it would be seven days a week. So we're in seven days a week. How was paying the bills then? Tough? Yeah, it was tough. I mean, I remember looking at my W-2 at the end of the year and just being like, wow, that's how much money I made this year. And also just seeing my savings account dwindle. I was dipping into all the resources that I saved and I kind of knew

making a career change, that'd be the case, but I had no idea I'd be blowing through it that quickly. And then for the amount of work I was doing, I just, that first month of coaching on my own, I nearly doubled what I was making at the gym. So, and I had brought a lot of business on myself. I had brought a lot of clients on myself. So I wasn't, I acquired a few clients through the gym, but it was a pretty even split. So I was like, well, I'm bringing these people in on my own. Like I should be getting more of this money. They were taking probably 70% of the cut. And it was just a wake up call for me. Which is normal.

Yeah. I have trainers reach out to me all the time. Like I'm pissed off that Jim's taken 70%. I'm like, yeah, I mean, that's pretty much what a gym has to take to make money. Like that's what makes sense. And there's options. That doesn't mean you have to do that, but it does mean that you have to become more of an entrepreneur yourself. And you're going to have to take on some responsibilities that most coaches are avoiding. Because most coaches are like, I just want to show up to class and teach a class

or teach clients. I don't want to have to sell. I don't want to have to do all this shit. I'm like, well, get ready to be poor. And be mad. You're going to just be angry at the world because shit, this is how the world works. If you want it to be different, too bad.

This is where we're at. And I think also it's important for me. I was coming from a completely different career. I had a whole bunch of background and training and I had rebuilt my body up to that point. So I had a good understanding of how to help these people with their goals. But I also found that the gym I was working for

wasn't really in alignment with my messaging. And when we did part ways, it wasn't that they wanted me to leave, but I kind of got a vibe of like, oh, you know, you tried a different way here and it didn't really work. And I was just like, what are you talking about? Like, I'm about to go start my own business and my clients enjoy me and they enjoy my style. So making sure that your style for whatever coach is listening out there, that the style of where you're working fits you. And I would be teaching classes and I would try and sprinkle in some of my own philosophy towards fitness and approach.

I just felt the inability to fully be myself and really be passionate about what I was coaching people on. Yeah, the resistance is a message. You telling yourself, hey, this is out of alignment. There's resistance here. It doesn't have to be this way. So you went from working, just busting your balls as a trainer, working weekends to three days a week, life is better, making more money. What was the big shift for you? Was there a moment where, was there a thing or was there a series of things? What was it that happened for you?

It was, I think it was more of a culmination of things that this had been weighing on me for quite some time. One of the big shifts with the Unlifted program that gave me the confidence to really step into that, I had already made the decision, but there was a lot of indecisiveness and doubt. Oh, I would tell myself a story about being a phony. Oh, this guy's only coached for two years and he's going off on his own. What are these people going to think? I was telling myself all these stories, but the Unlifted program gave me a ton of confidence in my dream and my ability to shape my own reality. And getting back to the sensations in my back and whatnot, that call, we got super sidetracked. But going back to that call where I was sitting in this little closet that's at the gym I work at now,

and you guys asked me to OMG this story and get really animated about the story that I told myself about my back. And it was this- The story you were so committed to that it became reality. Yeah. And I latched onto that for nine years. Nine years, it became more of a physical story too, where I didn't even have to say anything about it. It was like, like I said,

I would try and seek that pain or that sensation out in my body. It was how I felt that area of my body. And so to go through some language work where I was attaching a lot of emotion to it, I think the important part about the OMG exercise or getting really animated about that story is it clears up the blockages in your breathing pattern. It clears up the blockages in your posture and allows you to, it almost forces you, even though I would say allows a better word, but you have to breathe. I had to breathe to do that exercise. And it was

just, it was really powerful once I started to get flowing on it, and that took a while. That first time we did it, it was weird, man. Everybody's first time with that exercise is choppy. Yeah. Everyone is, you can look at someone's face, you can see their eyes where they're questioning things and their identity, some people might call it ego. The identity is really attached to that story.

So the story and the identity are married together. And when we start asking you to put a different filter on that story, what it does is it causes a different emotional response. And the identity doesn't like that. The identity wants to hang on to that story because the identity knows that if that story goes, it goes too. And I'll make a note about this is all the stories that people have running. So the stories are shaping your life. So think about your life as a movie and you're a character in it. You're also the writer and the director. Although most people have no idea that they can write and direct their own movie. They just think they're a character in it. And then what we do is we help you zoom out where you go, by the way, you're the editor, director.

And then you're also placing other characters in your movie too. You actually have control over the other characters and how they show up in your life. And I imagine a lot of people hear that and go, what the fuck is he talking about? But if you do the work, like you get it, right? Like as I'm talking about, you're going, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about now But if you do the work, you get it, right? As I'm talking about,

you're going, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about now. It takes time to fully grasp this. Now those stories are tied to emotions in the body. So the story is something that lives in the conscious or the subconscious. There's a lot of stories that I'm operating off of, you're operating off, we don't even know about them. They're nowhere near our awareness, but we get to expand our awareness and see them clearly at some point in the future and work through them. And those stories are attached to emotions in our body. And if we hold onto the story, we hold onto the emotion, which means we don't really get to experience the emotion fully. And some people might refer to emotions as energy. And so energy gets trapped. So that muscle that gets really tight, that tension in your back,

that's trapped energy or a trapped emotion. And so 10 years ago, if people talked about this, people go, oh, that's woo. But now there's science coming on like, oh, this is really accurate. The emotional energy is getting trapped in the body if you let it go all of a sudden your posture changes right it's like yeah oh that tension went away and it's i talk about this a lot of times where i see somebody they have to wrap bands around their hips or their back every time before they squat or else they're fucked and i get a little chuckle i'm not laughing them. I'm chuckling at me because that's what I used to do. And I go, oh, wow, if I had only known what I know now, like that was completely unnecessary. Yeah. And the solution to your problem has nothing to

do with some, it has to do with your story and the emotions tied to it. You let that go and the whole thing unwinds. And then now your identity shifts. And that story is actually attached to a hundred other stories. You unwind that one, you pull that string. And then what was cool for you is, yeah, it's like, oh, my back feels better. My relationship, my body's improved. But I imagine that there were many other aspects of your life that shifted too. Yeah. I mean, I know this, just the relationships in my life changed a lot. I had much more appreciation for them. And there was a period where I began to take a lot of responsibility for my behavior in relationships. And this was before the Enlifted program as well.

So I started to see the responsibility, but then the story became, oh, you're responsible for this. And then it was like, let me just cling on to this. I'm shitty. Like you made it your fault. Yeah, I made it my fault. Which is different than responsibility. Sure. I want to point that out because people normally associate responsibility with burden and fault.

Because if someone does something fucked up in the government or in a company, and who's responsible? They're not actually looking for responsibility. They're looking for fault and blame. And so I like to create distinctions in these words because responsibility creates freedom, whereas fault and blame create limitation. I responded to the best of my ability in that moment, but because I had progressed to a certain point where I thought I should have been better in that situation, I kept going back to it. I kept reliving those moments rather than taking those as lessons and opportunities for growth.

You're making yourself wrong. As long as you make yourself wrong for it, you can't progress. Yeah. And then you end up in the shower calling yourself a piece of shit. We've all been there, man. I've definitely called myself a piece of shit in the shower before. Yeah. It was super fascinating. I was asking you about the shift that happened that allowed you to do that. What allowed you to get to a place where you're working three days a week and making more money? And inside the business, I think a lot of times people, I get responses from people. A lot of times I go, Oh yeah, you want a double, triple 10 X your income as a coach. And I've gotten

responses back people saying, yeah, but I'm already working full time. It doesn't make any sense. I can't work any more hours. And that tells me, I go, Oh wow, this person thinks that they're worth a dollar amount per hour versus being able to restructure how business works in a way that is going to work for them. And then also be able to, that time you're getting to yourself and you're taking care of yourself, I mean, how much better of a coach are you able to be now? Well, just to the first question, what brought me to that point, like I said, it was a culmination of things. But I think the biggest shift was that I was valuable. I am valuable. And it took me about 10 years to get back to feeling that way about myself.

And so that could have been something latched in with the tension I was experiencing in my back or a few different things. So that, and then. I mean, if we want to get super woo, that place in your back you're describing is right behind your solar plexus, which is your power center. And if you feel powerless, you can look at someone's posture and go, oh, they, they lack a sense of power over their life. And they tend to say yes to everything and have a hard time saying no. If you break free of that, you're going to notice, oh, you can breathe more deeply there. So the fact that you had tension there wouldn't surprise me. Yeah. I mean, it correlates perfectly with what I was going through. I did feel helpless. So yeah,

I mean, the decisions that I had made up to that point were influenced by others. Not just influenced, they were dictated by others. And one of those people was the inner voice as well. So going back to what I want and what I need in that moment as well was super big for me. And to take a step back and look at that. That was going through the Enlifted program, having the conversations, the initial conversations with Danny about work and setting up a framework that worked for me. It was a game that I said this in one of the Enlifted Masters calls. You were talking about sitting in the stands. I think it was in one of the modules,

either in lifted or in the strong coach, but sitting in the stands versus being on the field and playing in the field. And I imagine that I am creating a field. I'm creating that game. And how do I want to operate in it? And so I'm wearing this baseball shirt here. I like to think of the baseball field and I still working on this analogy, but the foul poles and the foul lines are those boundaries you set for yourself. But there's a limitation right there as well. So I just like to bulldoze that fence and that is my possibility right there for growth. So thinking about it that way allowed me to create the business I wanted, which attracted the clients that I want to work with. And then ultimately, I had a few things fall into place. I lost a couple of clients that

weren't very dedicated and they didn't even make it through the initial month with me. And they said they got a lot of value out of it, but I could tell that it wasn't a good fit. And once that happened, I was really frustrated. And then I was like, okay, this is when I was working four days a week. I was like, all right, let me see. Back in the hard times of four days a week. So this was me. Yeah, exactly. This was me after I'd already started my business. And I got that one day off during the week. But I said, okay, I'm going to fill up these four days during the week.

Then I lost a couple clients. I was like, well, Thursday is just going to be super barren. Let me see if I can move a couple of those clients to Wednesday or one of them to Friday. And I just texted all my clients and moved things around and things just fell into place. So that goes back to, oh shit, I got this problem. Change that language to, oh, this is an opportunity for me to see if I can modify my schedule and make it work for me even better. And now I have two days, which we talk about creation mode. I get to be in creation mode. I get to be in creation mode with my movement, with my food, with my business. And it's just awesome.

What are you creating in your business right now on those days where you're in creation mode and you're choosing to work on your business? What does that look like? Because we talk about working in your business versus on your business. what does that look like? Because we talk about working in your business versus on your business. And in your business as a coach is coaching clients. And most coaches, that's the only thing they see as work. Bob, what are you doing in creation when you're working on the business?

So right now I'm working on different ways that I can better support my clients. I saw that where I was out of integrity with my business was supporting my clients outside of the gym. So they show up, we warm up, they get in the right mindset, and then we jump into some awesome movement, have a bunch of fun,

maybe do some mentality stuff as well. But then they're gone until I see them next time. And that's more of that trainer approach right there, where I see them one hour a week, two hours a week, three hours a week. And I noticed that I could be a lot more valuable to them and therefore potentially harness more value for that as well if I could support them more effectively outside of the gym. So right now I'm working on developing a lot more online resources specifically for movements that actively de-stress the body because I live in one of the most stressful cities in the world and the people are so high strung.

Everything is on demand. They want a quick fix. Who does this sound like? It sounds like me from a few years ago, right? So it's... Coaches, you're wondering who you're going to coach. It's who you used to be. So I'm looking at better ways that I can support people outside of the gym.

So one of those is providing them with movement resources that are going to help them recover on those days off. And then building a more programmatic approach to implement some of the unlifted approach to language, mentality, and goal setting as well, which has just been super big. Just in those moments with coaching, I had a client the other day and a pretty small dude, but we've been packing on some muscle for him and he did like six awesome pull-ups. And one of the things I said in that OMG exercise was like, I could give you like 20 of the worst looking pull-ups with like a 45 pound weight hanging from me. And I remember the feeling of being so imbalanced in that. I could see myself in the mirror and see how

imbalanced I was, but it was just so much ego there. And so the form was so bad. So now when I see somebody that I've coached and they knock out six perfect pull-ups, I just get so pumped. And I was ecstatic for him. And he's like, it was only six. And I was like, I want you to say this back to me. I did six perfect pull-ups. And to see how that changed his posture, how that changed his outlook on it was big. So just those little things in the moment, how can I implement that on a grander scale so we can apply this to all the lifestyle things that I know what it's like when you're super stressed out and you're just looking for convenience and you're looking for, oh, I can just check this off my list or let me order this food, even though I know it's not great for me.

Like I can just get some food in me and I don't have to worry about that anymore rather than, okay, I get to nourish my body. I choose to cook my own food because it's fun and I can go put on my favorite record and enjoy that. So those are the things I'm working on outside or the things I'm working on my business on those days off. And then, like I said, part of my perfect day was to just be doing some movement in a park and have my schedule lined up where I don't even know what time it is. My phone's not on me, but I know that I have clients coming to me. And I was like, just doing some ground-based movement, stretching on the ground, whatever. And out of nowhere, just like my client just walks up this hill and I see him appear and I'm just like, holy shit, dude, that's part of my perfect day.

Now it's not three, four clients in a row, but just the imagery of that where I put myself in a situation where I experienced those little wins. You're still new, man. You're still new. Just wait three years. That perfect day will just be unfolding constantly. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, it's encouraging to see that come through. But I also, one thing I continuously remind myself of, and it helps to have some coaches as well to remind me of it is to see that progress in just, let's say, eight months of time where I'm seeing these things come to fruition. And then also that it comes with repetition. It's not that I'm going to experience these things the first time around.

So that's been a big thing. Some of the strong coaches have been talking to me, I love the way you're talking about this stuff. You just need reps, man. Give yourself more credit. It's going to come with reps. Another thing I've noticed is shaping my business and how I want to support my clients with their goals. And I'm so much more confident in selling that. And I don't even really think of price as an obstacle when it comes up. It's, this is what I'm selling because I feel really good about it. I feel it is genuinely me and my coaching business. So having trouble with sales, chances are what you're selling is out of integrity with what you truly believe. So that's what I've experienced recently is, okay, I'm confident with that. And the last aspect is... Or you're out of integrity about what you really believe. I know a lot of coaches are selling health and fitness, but they're not living a healthy lifestyle

themselves. So even if their protocols or methods or whatever are good for their clients, the fact that if you're not eating well and sleeping well and taking care of yourself, if you feel like if your life is out of balance, of course it's going to be hard to sell health to someone else if you're not healthy. Get your shit together. You got it.

We start off with get your house in order. Yeah. And sometimes people will see that module and they literally go clean their house. And that's exactly what you need. What's happening in your environment is a reflection of what's happening internally. We got to get our own house in order internally, get our physical location dialed in. You take care of that.

Things will seem like they magically fall in line. That's alignment. That's integrity. Yeah, I completely agree. There's always things to be working on in that regard as well. I noticed a lack of integrity with or lack of responsibility with not so much how I was valuing certain things or valuing money, but the organization of it and how that provided a lot of anxiety and stress for me because I'd be like, okay, yeah, I'm spending money on good food and I'm spending money on these certs that align with

where I'm going. I'm not just throwing money everywhere, but okay, how's that organization of that money? And do I really have a pulse on where I'm at? And so that's the next big project for me that I'm currently working through. What week are you on? So going into this week, it's 11. Oh, you're in week 11. So you're almost finished, Strongroach. So you're getting into the money part anyway.

Yeah. So I mean, we've already passed through the module, but it's... Yeah, the modules are built in a very specific order for a reason. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah.

That's cool. They like, yeah, that's where you're at right now. And again, I got to take a look at that progress over running my business for six months. And yeah, I could have been better about organization from the get-go, but I'm here now. And what can I do to build more confidence in that area? And the other thing about coaching that's been really interesting, and it relates to life a bunch too, is as I've started to focus on these different areas of my life and then implement those into my coaching as well. You said something interesting, getting more organized,

and you mentioned certifications. You just did want to check. When did you do this weekend? It was Holistic Lifestyle Coach. Level one. Level one. Yeah. And I have some people reach out. I've had people reach out. They have five certifications. And like, I need to get another certification before I do this program, before I do the strong coach, or I need to get certified in something first. And it's so obvious to me. I imagine that it

may be obvious to you is like do this first i tell people do this first because then you'll know which certification to get yeah because most coaches and trainers are just getting whatever fucking certification seems interesting to them in the moment but it may not be in alignment with where they're taking their coaching business absolutely and that was something that I really noticed. I mean, some people at the cert were talking about this big sale that they had back in March. So that's when they purchased this package. They got a great discount on it.

The check course? Yeah, the check course. But I just registered about a month ago. So it was something where I'm like, okay, I see where my coaching is going. And I am currently going through the certification process for the Enlifted Masters program. And so I see those two things. You're getting the best certification on the planet. Enlifted, check. So we're going to make strong coaches certification. There's some things we need to shift in it before we can start certifying, but yeah. That'll be great. But yeah, I look at those two things and I'm like, okay,

yeah, those are really in alignment with my approach. And that approach is holistic and doing a lot with a little. I love to do ground-based movement, body weight movement, kettlebell stuff, mace stuff. So getting creative, getting back to the feeling your body and helping people build that relationship with their bodies and themselves in a way that is becoming less and less unorthodox or as I like to call it oddball. Yeah, that's your Instagram. Yeah, that is my business name, oddball fitness. So, and it keeps getting more and more weird every day. So, I mean, you're running the gamut. I mean, you're doing a lifted strong coach. The only thing you

got left is a training camp for the soul. When are you coming in for that? When are you coming in, man? You're calling me out on the air. Yeah air yeah you know we'll have to talk about that but you're moving like yeah well the thing is when i see people if they've done and lifted and if they've done a strong coach and then they come in the training camp for the soul they crush it they get like it's a lot easier for them if the people that come in that have done none of the stuff that we put together first it's hard to break through that resistance. But you got the language down, you got the story down, you understand the identity piece, and you've actively made changes in business and stuff. Those people, they get the best results out of it.

Well, then I'm looking forward to it. Yeah. I mean, one of the big things for me with the Unlifted program is getting on a call with people that I really look up to and then 20 other strangers and just spilling my guts out. That felt so uncomfortable. I had difficulty doing that with romantic relationships, friendships, family relationships. I had a ton of difficulty expressing myself. And so being able to open up and then also going through those stories in my head about, oh man, these people are like, what if I cry? What if somebody makes fun of me, whatever? People just supported me. They reached out to me. They said things like,

I really appreciate you bringing up that point. I didn't think of it that way or that I've been having that same thought. And so I found the same thing watching other people. It was incredible. So as a man and somebody, it's funny going back to my childhood, I think about it. Physical pain was never an issue for me like I would experience it but it didn't really impact me but I would tear up at everything that made me uncomfortable and I at a certain point I just started to shove it down and I had a difficult time expressing that expressing my emotions even though it was super evident from a young age that I was an emotional kid. So rediscovering that aspect of myself and opening up and I've continued that with a little weekly segment I do on my Instagram called Grants Rants. I've seen them. Yeah. And a lot of the stuff is right in line with what I've

learned in the Enlifted curriculum and going through the Strong Coach as well. It's just being open, sharing those experiences and meeting people with where they're at. You never know what is going to resonate with somebody. And I was talking about this with Sean on the Strong Coach call the other day. And I was like, my likes are super down. But the interaction that I'm receiving, the meaningful interaction that I'm receiving and people reaching out to me in the DMs or the comments, like people are writing paragraphs. And it's like.

Well, we had an Instagram expert at the Strong Coach Summit a couple of months ago. And he was talking about how likes don't mean shit. Yeah. Likes don't mean shit. They feed the ego. Yeah. I've had less likes the last year. I've lost followers. And it's a good thing.

Yeah. It means your message is more focused. And the people you are reaching is, you're having a much better conversation. Yeah, it's been super enlightening to see that as how to connect with people. And I do love the language of movement as a great way to connect with people and get people to start there.

But to take it a step further, like it's a great initial thing to start with, but then to take it a step further and talk about the mentality, how they see themselves, that's a game changer, a straight up game changer. And I have some leads now just because some online client leads that I've been building out these online resources. Well, I can easily dovetail that into online coaching and online programming, which is another thing that I see that avenue developing. Oh, yeah. Doing the online thing. That scale.

Yeah. That gets fun. It gets really, really fun. Yeah. Yeah. You mentioned something about you're an emotional kid. I imagine there's a point where you stop expressing your emotions and it's coming back online now. One thing that is missing from our culture, and I definitely had this experience, is, okay, it's okay to express your emotions as a child to a degree. But then when you get older, it's no longer okay to express yourself that way. But no one ever teaches us how to express

ourselves, our emotions appropriately as adults. So we just don't express at all. So one of the things we get to do is learn how to express appropriately. I'm very emotional. I express myself emotionally, but I don't express myself emotionally as a four-year-old would. I don't throw tantrums and break shit. And the laugh kind of sounds like a four-year-old. There it is. There you go. Yeah. Sometimes you just got to let go. And that's one of the big things I've learned over the last few years is how to really express appropriately the way that energy gets to move. And I get to have that experience and really just have it and it be a healthy thing. And it

doesn't get trapped in the body and it can flow. And when expressed well, everybody's in appreciation for it. When expressed poorly, if you're 28 and expressing like a four-year-old, everyone thinks you're an asshole. Any asshole walking around and if anyone thinks someone's an asshole, it's probably because that person is expressing themselves as a four-year-old, not as an adult. And it's funny you say that because this is my personal experience, but when I let those emotions build up within me, how I did express them was as a four-year-old. Yeah. Yeah. Shove them down, shove them down, shove them down. Now they're going to take over. Fuck everybody. Fuck everybody. You know, fuck this bicycle helmet. I'm just going to obliterate

it real quick. Like there's a lot of stories where I destroyed things or I personally harmed myself. And that's a scary thing when you're going through it. You know what's going on, but you kind of black out. And that's how a four-year-old would express that, but with the capabilities of somebody who's 28 years old. And so it was super scary. I was like, what's happening to me? Well, I wasn't expressing myself. I wasn't communicating well. And a lot of that comes back to the communication with the self. If I don't have a good relationship with that inner voice, then there's going to be havoc there. If in the gym, I'm not communicating with my body well, then I'm probably going to hurt myself to some degree, or I'm going to be building some compensatory patterns that are

difficult to rewire. And so it bleeds into everything else. And one last thing I'd like to say, unless something else comes up, but just about the inner voice. When I started to change my language, that voice rather than being that asshole, and sometimes he's still an asshole, but it was like my biggest fan. It was like my hype man. So I have a friend who is currently in between jobs and he's helping me with some of the video stuff and he's been fantastic and I call him my hype man. But I'm also coaching him with movement

and also some of this mentality stuff, especially as he's going through this transition. And so I'm the hype man's hype man as well. And so it's nice to have that, your own self, your own inner voice being that encouragement for you rather than that word of doubt in your head. It's something like, hey, you got this. And sometimes it calls you out. Sometimes it calls me out. But the approach is not, hey, you're a piece of shit. This is all your fault. It's, hey, what can we learn from this?

And that's encouraging. And to normalize that discussion that goes on in the head is a big aspect of Unlifted because we all have it going on. But to think about talking to yourself, a lot of people have a difficult time with that. They'd much rather they associate that with being mentally unhealthy. And shit, dude, i have so many conversations with

myself that's my journal man my journal and there's a lot of different colors in that journal there's different voices yeah and this is one of the things we do with a training camp is we dissect that voice and they have different names so in in, we start having the conversation with that inner voice. And training camp, one of the aspects of it, there's many aspects, is we dissect that voice into different personalities. And then we're able to have, we sit down and we have dinner. So anytime something's going in our life, we sit down, we have dinner with all those voices. And then we get feedback from each one of them and thank them and then we name them we know when the ego is talking we know when the inner critic is talking we know when the shadow

is talking and we know when the heart is talking and it's like okay we're all gonna get feedback from all these now which voice are we gonna choose yeah which voice are we gonna choose when we take action it's like okay i mean you want to choose your inner critic fucking go for it life's gonna suck you want to live a fulfilled satisfied life listen to your heart follow that and it takes courage and everything we're talking about takes courage because when you listen to your heart, that's the reason people, they're living their lives. And I used to live my life, take it back to me, right? I used to live my life listening to ego, inner critic, my shadow, all these aspects of me that I associated my identity with, and this is who I am. And then when I finally got to hear my heart speak. I go, oh, fuck. Doing what my heart's saying, that is scary

as fuck. And that's when the heart takes courage. And that's why when you see somebody who's leading with their heart, people look at that person and go, that takes courage because they're not doing what everyone else is doing. Most people, 99% of the population, run around listening to their ego, inner critic, shadow, which is all just driven by fear, right? And then your heart speaking from love is like, oh, it's so rare to run into someone with courage that they stand out.

You want to stand out as a coach? You want to be successful? Lead with your heart. And I don't care what you know about, if you're a running coach or a weightlifting coach or an animal flow coach or whatever the fuck it is. That's not what's going to make you different. What's going to make you different is if you're leading with your heart or not. So way to be courageous, Grant, and stepping up to the plate. And I watched you in and lifted during that certification and you're 100% courageous.

I love it. Thanks, Mike. And I'd just like to say the same to you. You led with your heart. You lead with your heart. And that's what attracted me. Going back to the very first question you asked me when I got here

and I think on the podcast, what attracted you to join the Enlifted program? And it was that. I could sense the passion. I could sense the heart speaking that this is what you built with that in mind. And it resonated with me. It was like, okay, this is what he's working on right now. And I can sense that. And it's what he's most passionate about. I'm going to hop into this and see how it goes. And like I said, it rocked my shit. But it was work that,

and it's continuous work, by the way. Yeah, I've had people go, I thought everything was going to be like rainbows and unicorns and shit. Afterward, I'm like, oh, you just got started, motherfucker. You just opened it up. Yeah.

I mean, you talk- Welcome to the party. Yeah. So it's a challenge. It mean, you talk. Welcome to the party. Yeah. So it's a challenge. It's work worth doing. And it's personal. So I'm sure you get asked these questions a lot. And I get asked these questions a lot.

But when it comes to diet or when it comes to what exercise program or how do I shape this relationship with myself? That's really personal. And you look at somebody that's like David Goggins and how he handles his relationship with himself. Well, he's reinvented himself like three times. And the way he handles his inner voice and whatnot, like that voice is completely different than mine. My guy, or we turn up the volume on my heart or turning up the volume on that support system that's coming from the inside, it's a lot more supportive. And sometimes it kicks me in the ass. But then with somebody like David Goggins, it's like he thrives

on that voice that's calling him a piece of shit. So it's like, you got to find that and nobody's going to tell you exactly what to do. And that's the beauty of coaching is it's work, you got to find that. And nobody's going to tell you exactly what to do. And that's the beauty of coaching is it's work. And you allow people to, you give them the tools and then they create that reality for themselves. And that's why you have to actually do the work. Yeah. A guy like Goggins, I'm glad you brought that up.

Guy like Goggins always is interesting. you brought that up guy like Goggins always uh is interesting yeah because he's impressive and people I imagine most men see Goggins and go I want to be like that guy I see that guy I go fuck that like it doesn't seem that enjoyable and I've done enough of that warrior spirit stuff to go yeah my warrior spirit is. It's nice and clean and I get shit done. I get shit done. And I think in our society right now, there is a lack of warrior spirit of that warrior. And that's why he's so attractive is because we do have a society of men that are pretty soft. And what I mean by that is just men who don't take action, men who are just going along with, well, I guess I'll just go to college because I'm supposed to go to college and I'll get that job. And I'm supposed to invest in a 401k and I'm supposed to get married. I'm supposed to

do, do, do, do, so on and so forth, but don't actually do the things they really want to do and take action on. And that's that warrior spirit. And for me, when I'm looking at what it means to be a whole and complete man, there's a book. I have a book club that I started a few weeks ago. I'm excited about it because I've never been in a book club, but I started one. I've been having thoughts about that too, so that's exciting. I started one. It's for men only, and where's the book? The first book we started with was King, Warrior, Magician, Lover. Danny's bringing it over to me right now. Thank you. And I'll let you look at it.

And it talks about the four major archetypes. There's many archetypes out there for people and men and specifically, but these are the four pillars of archetypes. And each of these archetypes, these are the aspects of self. Each one of these archetypes can be developed. There are shadow aspects of these archetypes can be developed. There are shadow aspects of these archetypes when they're in their unhealthy expression. By the way, folks, pick it up, read it, hit me up on Instagram, let me know what you think. King, warrior, magician, lover.

And when I look at what it means to be whole and complete and man is having all of those online. And a guy like Goggins, he's all warrior yeah I don't know if he's got the lover magician and I give a quick recap on this so the king has a kingdom and has boundaries and is got his when I say kingdom like he knows what's his and what's not his and he operates within that the warrior is the one who takes action. And the king may set the boundaries, but the warrior is the one who does say no, takes the warrior that takes action and pulls out the sword. The magician, that may sound mystical or whatever, and it can be, but it's also technology, mastering technology. So if you're building websites or tech, or you're able to

build a training program or nutrition, whatever, that's magician energy. And then you have the lover energy, which is being in touch with sensation and being able to enjoy and get lost in something. It might be a good book. It might be a fine glass of wine, eating a great meal, a beautiful woman. All these things are the energy of the lover. And so what I really, I look at my own personal journey and going, oh, wow, my king really couldn't come online until I had a healthy relationship with lover, magician, and warrior energy. And then I was able to really step into king energy. And I'll tell you what,

it's a good spot to be in. It's a good spot to be in to have done that work. And so I bring all this up to say, hey, watch guys like Goggins, love him to death. I would love to sit down and have a chat because I'm curious. But what I get from him is 100% warrior. That's his message. I don't know if that's how his life actually looks because people tend to have a message and you might get in there and go, oh, this guy's well-rounded, but be careful. Be careful. Living a warrior lifestyle for your whole life is not cool. It's not fun. And it's not fun for the people around you. If you're a warrior all the time, your girlfriend or wife is not going to be a fan. It's not going to be a good

relationship. You got to have these other things online too. And they all keep each other in check. So yes, warrior energy is in low supply. That's the word I'm looking for. Thank you. It's in low supply these days. And so it is really attractive. And I would say lover energy is pretty high. And so it's magician, but be careful. Like people pay attention, realize that there's a lot going on here, but if you're low on warrior supply, fucking go follow Goggins for a while, do it.

But it's not the end all be all. Yeah. And what I hear you saying there is take what's out there and get inspired by people, but ultimately come back to yourself and make the reality that you want. And that could be that warrior. But if you want to be the king of your own kingdom or the master of your own domain, Seinfeld, shout out there, balancing all those things is absolutely necessary. And yeah, I couldn't agree more

in terms of that. I love being a a lover that's just fun yeah it's enjoyable but too much love energy can turn to addiction oh yeah so be careful with that too that's why you have the warrior keeps the lover in check it's all really really nice do you i mean i don't know if you've had anybody or had a discussion in the book club about this book yet but do you find some variability on the balance between the warrior, the magician, and the lover in terms of the individual creating their own archetypes to meet their vision? Yeah, I find that most people are leaning into a different archetype more in different times in their life. So a year ago, I'd say between August of last year until about

February, I was very high or January, very high in the warrior. There's a lot of cutting away. A lot of destruction. And then this year has been much more around the king energy. It's like, all right, I'm really establishing my values. I'm establishing my boundaries. Same thing. You can't have boundaries unless you know your values. And for the first time in my life, I can establish my values and boundaries from my heart versus my boundaries and values previously were set up by my ego. And so because I had gone through some transformation myself, I had to have a reestablishment of those things, which means that the king that I was before, anytime I was accessing the king energy, I was showing up more as a tyrant or a weakling, not as a full king. And so it's nice.

These things come in cycles. So I see myself way more in the king energy this year, but come 2020, I might be more of a magician or something. And I find one of the guys in our group, he works in tech and he does a lot of things for the military and building out their tech systems and communication and all that. I'm like, dude, you're so magician. It's crazy. And he's like, yeah. Yeah. It could even be seasonally as well, going through the circadian rhythms and coming back to, let's say the end of the year, coming back to yourself and understanding what you want to do with that. And then when the new year rolls around or the

spring rolls around and there's a lot more expression. Another thing that reminds me of is really understanding the yin and the yang and the balance of those two forces. And Paul talked about this a little bit this weekend. But you mentioned the tyrant and somebody that person's actually weak in some ways or too focused on themselves. Oh, the tyrant is a tyrant because they're unsure and afraid. Yeah. Yeah. And so somebody brought up Hitler as an example,

and he wanted all the power for himself. He was so focused on himself. And that's really the yin energy. And then we think, and that's that feminine energy. And then we've got the yang. And the yang, we associate with masculinity and whatnot, but that's much more like outward and expressive. And it's like, okay, so we've been telling all these men to shove down their emotions. And it's like, nah, like'm focused on myself. I'm going to get big physically and shove all that other stuff down. It's like, no, you have to expand in a lot of different ways to really feel that energy. And of course, it's a balance. It's outwardly giving yourself to others and coaching business is something where you will be struggling with that balance at times where you're giving too much. You're giving too much of your time. You're giving too much of your energy. You're working seven days a week and you're not charging enough. If you were to charge accordingly, then you could have that balance where you've got some

energy coming in, which gives you enough energy to really show up and be full. So that reminded me of that when you brought up the tyrant. Yeah. Well, having right relationship with emotions is so powerful. And anger shows up when your boundaries get crossed. And most people get angry when a boundary is crossed, but they never communicated their boundary in the first place. Or they didn't realize it was a boundary and now they're angry. And now they externalize it onto someone else. It's like, no motherfucker, you didn't even say it. Like this is on you. And so when I get angry, that happens. And I've had this happen in business, which is I'll be in a meeting and I feel anger coming up. I can feel it like

starting to brew in my chest to the point where like, I want to pick someone to throw it or punch somebody in the throat. But I, A, I go, okay, what boundary is getting crossed? What have I not expressed? And then how can I express it now appropriately? And not inappropriately be cutting someone off and telling them to fuck off. And appropriately would be really checking in, making sure whatever it is, and then setting up whatever is happening in the relationship so I can have a proper conversation. But I've had people, I still run into knuckleheads as much as I create a little bubble for myself. I encounter way fewer knuckleheads these days than ever, but even in the last couple of years,

run into knuckleheads in business at times, run into knuckleheads at the, you know, I'm out dancing. And yeah, still that emotion comes up and I harness it and I put people in their place. And I apply just enough force to keep the peace and I harness it well. But if I was out of balance with my warrior, I would overdo it and I would fuck somebody up and now there's other repercussions and things would be out of balance, right? The pendulum would swing. But we go back to the middle way.

How can I harness this, keep the dowel, and go the middle way and apply just enough to bring things in the center. Absolutely. Yeah. Let's wrap this up. You got to go. You got to fly. You got to get out of here.

Really appreciate you stopping by the house and hanging out and giving people the good message. Yeah. Well, thanks for having me, Mike. Yeah. If anybody wants to follow my own journey, I do a weekly. It's about anywhere between like six and eight minutes on Instagram. I'm going to throw those up on YouTube as well. But Grants Rants, I just cover a topic around something I'm going through currently or have

in the past that I can share that experience with others and hopefully it resonates with you. And a lot of what I'm doing in that is applying the language and the story work that I learned in, in lifted and the strong coach. So I would keep an eye out for how I'm talking and yeah, hopefully I did all right on this call. You did great. So we got oddball fitness, oddball fitness on Instagram. Yeah. What's website YouTube, where are we finding uh oddball fitness my instagram is probably the best place right now i do have a website but going through the strong coach a lot of stuff's going to be changing on that but i do have some content coming via a

blog there if you want to check out the gym that i work out of in san francisco it's called kinetic playground perfect name for that's for myself and the other trainers that work there. It's just a funky little place in downtown San Francisco. So good tunes, some fun artwork in there. Yeah, stop on by if you're in town. I have to come up there now. Yeah. Yeah, man.

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