Barbell Shrugged - The Wellness Conversation w/ Dr. Rachel Hesselbrock  — Feed Me Fuel Me #108

Episode Date: October 11, 2018

Dr. Rachel Hesslebrock is changing the game through the launch of Alinea Health , Arizona's first mobile naturopathic medical clinic. Concierge medicine is making the relationship people used to have with their doctor real again.   Dr. Rachel has created an opportunity for her patients to develop a quality relationship with their doctor in which she not only has the ability to assess and treat acute issues, but also help them develop a true lifestyle around wellness. Rachel is a real-time human resource for her patients. She is able to decipher not only what treatment to prescribe, but also what external factors play a role in the healing process.   Dr. Rachel has a truly eye opening perspective on healthcare, as well as the future of the medical industry. In today's conversation she spells out her mission and the journey through which she got to the point of taking not only her career into her own hands but the wellness of the people she serves as well.   Thanks for allowing us to join you on your journey! Enjoy this episode of the Feed Me Fuel Me Podcast!   Enjoy! Jeff and Mycal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Show notes: http://www.shruggedcollective.com/fmfm_hesslebrock ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please Support Our Sponsor @vuori- www.vuoriclothing.com - Use coupon code FEEDME25 ► Subscribe to Shrugged Collective's Channel Here http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedSubscribe 📲 🎧 Listen to the audio version on the Apple Podcast App or Stitcher for Android Here- http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedApple http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedStitcher Shrugged Collective is a network of fitness, health and performance shows that help people achieve their physical and mental health goals.  Usually in the gym, but outside as well. In 2012 they posted their first Barbell Shrugged podcast and have been putting out weekly free videos and podcasts ever since. Along the way we've created successful online coaching programs including The Shrugged Strength Challenge, The Muscle Gain Challenge, FLIGHT, Barbell Shredded, and Barbell Bikini. We're also dedicated to helping affiliate gym owners grow their businesses and better serve their members by providing owners tools and resources like the Barbell Business Podcast. Find Shrugged Collective and their flagship show Barbell Shrugged here: SUBSCRIBE ON ITUNES ► http://bit.ly/ShruggedCollectiveiTunes WEBSITE ► https://www.ShruggedCollective.com INSTAGRAM ► https://instagram.com/shruggedcollective FACEBOOK ► https://facebook.com/barbellshruggedpodcast TWITTER ► http://twitter.com/barbellshrugged

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Our intent is to enrich, educate, and empower our audience to take action, control, and accountability for their decisions. Thank you for allowing us to join you on your journey. Now let's get started. Hey, what's good, fam? Welcome to another episode of the feed me fuel me podcast there's and jeff coming to you from scottsdale arizona and today we've got the pleasure of sitting down with dr rachel hesselbrock owner and founder of alinea health claps look golf claps that's how you do it he got the name right which i'm very thankful for hey you know professionalism is a courtesy i appreciate it yeah apparently it's hard to say so really well try having your name spelled with

a y people church that shit up all the time really what my cow yeah yeah interesting i'm like man when i first saw it i was kind of like mikhail michael no i was just like it's michael that's gotta be i let people suffer through it like if they're brave enough to just like test it in front of me i just let it ride for at least five attempts see what happens with it yeah i'm like are you just gonna like give up the ghost and just be like it's gotta be michael right it's gonna be something right um darwin told me ders i was like who the all right great so you know most people are introduced to me that way and then when they find out my name is michael through somebody else they're like who the hell are you talking about you know um but no uh darwin uh a good friend and member at the gym linked us up.

He said that there is definitely a lot of synergy between what you do, what I'm always interested in your scope of practice because within the context of naturopathic medicine, you have, you know, a number of perceptions that are like the first thing that comes to mind, you know, everything from acupuncture to essential oils to witch doctors, you know what I'm saying? But as we were having coffee the other day, we'll dive into this in a little bit, you had described what you do as not sexy, it's tough, and it's definitely the long road compared to the perception compared to the perception of, you know, conventional big pharma westernized medicine.

And to which, you know, my immediate question to that is, how does the dialogue go when you reach a level of rapport with a client and you have to ask them, you know, like how bad do you really want to be well? Like how in charge of your life, how responsible, what level of responsibility do you want for your health and wellbeing? You know, so I want to dive into your perspective on how that conversation typically goes and what you believe the answer to that question to actually be. But for everybody who doesn't know who you are, where Alinea came from, and how you became a naturopathic doctor, or why you chose naturopathic medicine in the first place, give us the cliff notes of where you come from and how you got to this point. Sure. So I graduated from ASU 2013, I think it was, um, with a bachelor's in dietetics

and that was super amazing. But after you graduate, they kind of are just like, have fun. So you really don't know what you're supposed to do. So I knew I wanted to help people, but I didn't exactly know how. So inevitably I just waited tables and bartended for three years. So I was like, getting people drunk is probably a good idea. Let's do that. Yeah. Right. Um, so after doing that for three years, just kind of shuffling around, I really got just annoyed with everything. And I wound up at a place that I won't name

because they're here in the Valley. Uh, but I got a job there and it was a weight loss company and the, the caliber to which they operated was not up to par with my standards on how i think people should be treated in regards to their diet and what should be looked at and this and that they were very much a business they're very much um just trying to push their product on you and it was you couldn't deviate from that you had to sell them this that and the other and it was like that's not how you that's not nutrition at all that's a boxed meal that's crap quite frankly um and so i was there and then also at the time i was suffering from uh migraines i did muay thai which i told you about uh and i got punched one too many times i think and I got whiplash from it and which resulted in

a migraine. So I went to the doctor and I was put on all the medications and I even had shots at one point and none of that shit worked. And I was like, holy cow, like what the hell am I going to do? This sucks. So a good buddy of mine was like, go see my chiropractor. And I was like, what? Like that is bogus. Like I don't even think I actually think that works. Um, but I was kind of my wit's end and I was like, well, I really have nothing else to try. So, um, I went in with him, it was six weeks and I was fixed up and I haven't really had a migraine since maybe one or two. So that knowledge that I gained of knowing like, look, you don't have to always take a pill or do some sort of shot or whatever.

And maybe it's a structural issue. And if you just address the structural issue, things will right themselves. Sure. So after all that happened, you know, I was just like, this is something cool that I think I want to do. And so my now best friend had posted something on Facebook that she got accepted into Southwest college of naturopathic medicine. And I was like, what the hell is that? Uh, so I asked her about it and she told me about it. And I just looked it up online and everything they said online was just right up my alley in regards to ethics and values and everything like that. So I applied and they let me in and then they let me graduate. So

how long is that coursework? It's four years. Oh, damn. Okay, it's pretty extensive. It's med school. Okay, that's it. Yeah, I've never even heard of that path. Yeah.

Interesting. Yeah. So what is the, I mean, I'm going to sound really stupid asking this question, but I'll ask it anyway. With regards to your scope of practice, what is the difference between being a naturopathic doctor and just being an MD? Okay. So biggest thing is we do not work in hospitals. So any emergency situations, your heart attacks, your loss of limb, your car accidents, your things like that, like please immediately go to the emergency room. Like

we, um, while we get some emergency medicine training for those instances where you just have to do something in the meantime, while you're waiting for the ambulance. Um, but big things like that go to the hospital. We can't do anything until they figure it out. We can help supplement afterwards. Scope. Scope is really we can pretty much do anything your Western primary care can do. So we can prescribe you medications. We can do minor surgical procedures. It's pretty equivalent except for that whole emergency

piece of it. Right. And also we're not allowed in hospitals, um, or typically like, um, Western medical office. Sure. They don't really like us. Okay. So I, and I find, I find that extremely interesting because I look at what you, you're the at the conflict, the line in the sand between naturopaths and westernized medicine the same way, like the way the argument goes, the same way I look at the argument between CrossFit and bodybuilding. You know what I mean? Like, does it really need to be like that i don't think so we don't think so people that are um aware get it you know yeah but it seems like it's an it's it's simply just an industry thing you are now in a a category that poses competition, would be my perspective on that whole conversation.

Totally. I'm with you on that. I think it's completely unnecessary. I think all doctors go into medicine because they want to help people in some way, shape, or form. And I think it has now just become us versus them. Right. And I think that's ridiculous.

There are some things that, you know, MDs will do that. I'm like, God, please go there. Like they're going to help you do this. While there are other things that I can do that are different than them. And we both can achieve the same result. So I think unfortunately the people who are the loudest in our industries are the ones who are making it seem like it's this huge, big ordeal. Right.

You know, I don't know if they actually hate us. I hope not. Like, we just care and we just want to help people get better. That's really all it is. What initially got you started in like the health and wellness space? You know, going, taking dietetics and then, you know, eventually finding your chiropractor and getting into what you're doing with Naturopathic Now. What led you down that that route? Did you have a, you know, athletic background growing up or?

What a great question. I actually have never thought about that. Shoo-wee, what led me? I don't even know. So I moved here from Ohio when I was 20 and I moved in with my mom and my mom was at that time taking classes at a community college in dietetics okay and I went to some college in Cincinnati and it was very I started out in nursing and there was a huge ass waiting list and I was like no um and so I switched to EMT and I got certified as an EMT and I tried to get a job they don't like women I don't know I

don't know if that's true but I couldn't get a job no one would hire me um and then I went out to be a firefighter and um before I took the test in Ohio I moved out here and so I took the test in Ohio, I moved out here. And so I took the firefighter test here, got an interview. It went fucking terrible. It was really, really bad. If anybody does a fire interview, like you guys are amazing. It's really, it's really hard. So I'm very bubbly, I guess you could say. I'm very like, hi, how are you? Like, you guys are great, whatever. And it's just five people just mean mugging you and just staring at you.

And they're like, what do you bring to a team? Panel style. Yeah. And I was like, oh God, I don't know. Like, you know, I just, I wasn't prepared at all it was horrible so if anybody goes through that you guys are amazing um so that was that um shoot where was I I don't remember your path to naturopath yeah I know but you tried out for you uh well did your fire interview yeah yeah so that didn't work out so then my mom was taking these classes in nutrition and I actually just started like flipping through one of her textbooks. And I was like, holy shit, this is cool. Like I like how things work.

I like knowing like the pathways that food goes through when it goes through the body and your fats and your carbs and your protein, like all that. Like it was just super, super interesting to me. And so I really was like, well, there's I don't know what else I'm going to do. So I kind of just started taking classes and it, it stuck and it worked out and it was really fun. So. That's interesting. Yeah.

That's cool how you can just stumble upon those things. Just like, it seems like happenstance, but it's like, I don't know if you believe in the universe or whatever, but it's like pushing you in that direction. It's pretty wild because just to read a textbook and just to latch onto that, you know, that's pretty interesting how that happened. It was pretty neat. I was thankful because I was like, great. Now I actually have something to like work towards and nobody will interview me at the end. So it was good. I'm good. No five panel interview to get this happening.

And there was minimal math, which was also good. So I was like, thank God. Yeah, that makes it so much better. As far as your, now that you're off on your own with Alinea, how has that journey been up to this point? I love the hand clap. I love it. Because him and Darwin are the only two people who have said it right. You don't understand. Like I'm super sensitive to that shit.

I can't stand it when people mispronounce stuff. It's terrible. What was the question? Sorry. What has it been like? Yeah. The entrepreneurial journey, if you will. It's been good and terrible simultaneously.

Absolutely. So like in school, we get very minimal business class, which sucks. I didn't get any. So at least you had some. had enough. Yeah. Well, we're not going to go to that, but, um, they tried with quotation marks on that. Um, so you know, I sort of had this idealistic thought in my head that when I got out, people were just going to be like at the door, like, yeah, she's so amazing. I got to work with her. I want to work with her. She's amazing. And I am amazing and you should work with

me, but also that's not life. And that was a huge, not slap in the face, but I was like, holy shit, we're all the people. What the hell? Um, so getting patients is, is, is hard, uh, in the sense that not everybody is on the same wavelength in regards to health and how they think it should be handled and this and that. But the actual building of the business has been super cool and super just, I don't even know. I'm just grateful for it. Like I got the opportunity to try something that, you know, no one else in my family has really tried and it's been super cool Just to be like I don't think I can do that and then you do it you're like holy shit. I did it Yeah, that's super cool

Or when somebody like you know you give someone your card and they call you're like I really like you I really want to work on you like holy shit. That's super cool like you know what I mean. I don't know so But definitely challenging times I'm sure you're aware. You just kind of think to yourself, I literally have no idea what I'm doing or how to make this happen. Sure. I don't know.

I just kind of roll with it. Yeah, yeah. What happens, happens. That's literally all you can do. Yeah. How'd you go about landing your first patient? Was it just knocking on people's door like, hey, here's my card. Or was it ads? How did, how'd that work out when you finally landed that? So I'm not going to tell you the whole story. Okay. Um, but I was actually

covering at a clinic for, um, a couple of my friends who were out of town. They're really good friends. And so they asked me to cover their clinic and so she came in and just you know had a bunch of stuff she wanted to talk about and so we sat and we talked about it and that was that I don't even know if you knew the rest of the story you would crack up but um yeah I don't know that's literally how it happened and then after that was just sort of word of mouth building after that point yep um you know sometimes i'll just like i'm very much if i see someone i want to work with i'll i'll say look i really want to work with you because i think we'd be a good fit and a good team and um i know i could make some sort of impact in your life so if you're like when if you're ready let me know and i'll give them a card um and i've gotten a few

people who've called me from that which is super cool that's dope yeah and when when do you reach like your bandwidth do you did have you reached that point yet or like for you just like for one doctor taking care of all these clients what and what it will be what would be that bandwidth point for you um honestly i don't know don't know yet so i don't know how it is for you or for you but like you always try to take on more than you know you're actually capable of doing so i'm worried that the point will come to where people are like let me in let me in let me in i'm like okay yeah and i'm like oh my god yeah this is too it's a lot um so hopefully a lot yeah you know so i can you know do what i love to do and help people and make their lives amazing um but i don't have an answer for you on that yeah that

makes sense because i was just thinking like when you're taking all these patients you're dealing with you know their personal problem and then like when do you know especially opening your own clinic it's clinic right like that that when do you know when to hire staff and start, you know, growing the company beyond yourself? I think that's always the toughest part of being an entrepreneur. Like you said, we take on so much that there comes a point where you finally look at yourself and like, man, there's no, I can't handle it anymore. I need some, I need some damn help.

Yeah. I'm excited for that day. And honestly, like I would really like to grow the company into something that is a great for everybody who lives here um so they have access to good health care and then also to like helpful to other naturopathic doctors like there are not a huge amount of opportunities around for us that are actually really good opportunities um and a lot of the times people wind up going on their own because the opportunities just aren't there not what they want so i'm hoping to really like just grow it into this thing where i can bring people on and give them a great starting

salary or great uh independent contractor contract whatever like and just kind of help the whole community and i don't know make it it awesome. Well, you're also, the way your business model is structured from the way I understand it is you're kind of in that, that early adopter pool of the way that the circles that Jeff and I run in, we all see medicine going, you know, away from, you know, like the, the big hospitals will be where, you know, the, the, the terminally ill, the, uh, the, the traumatic, the, the trauma stuff gets taken care of. But, you know, as,

as time goes on, people are starting to gravitate more and more and more to this, this concierge. I want a relationship with my doctor, not the,-minute consult and then the PA takes care of me the rest of the way. So the fact that you're on that path, I mean, we all see it coming. Awesome. Kudos to you for recognizing that as a legitimate business model. Thank you. And as retro as it sounds, the way I described it, it's actually the way that, you know, it actually should be, you know. Which is why I started in the first place.

I didn't start it because I was trying to be some sort of new up and coming whatever. Like, uh, what's important to me is that I have a conversation with you and that we get to know each other and that I know about your friends and family and your dogs and all that. Like I want us to be on that level so that when stuff comes up, we can deal with all of it and not just one little piece of it, which is how it's dealt with now. So I was just trying to do what I love. That's the cool part because i remember you know you mentioned how you found it through chiropractic when i was in high school you remember i call them the hannibal lecters where you put these cages on your head and you hang the weight from it oh yeah you know yeah you do for the traps yeah to build your neck but i put so

much weight on it that i you know the curvature of your neck I guess I supposed to go out of way dude it threw it the opposite direction so I had these migraines that were excruciating only on the left side of my head so they I got diagnosed with cluster cluster migraines yeah and I couldn't get it resolved like I go to the doctor hey how do you get it fixed and I've never heard this story You're an idiot. Dude. Bro, that's why I was such a banger. Yeah, so it threw me off. And I was like, man, I had these terrible headaches, cluster headaches, man. And I was like, none of the doctors I went to could find a solution, whatever. Then I was in my anatomy class with Coach Brian.

And he's like, you know what, Jeff? Try going to a chiropractor. He's like, when I went, he's like, you know what, Jeff, try, um, try going to a chiropractor. He's like, when I went, when I went, he's like all of my sinus infection or whatever, all my clogged nose went away immediately after like, I got my back corrected. Cause you're, if your spine's in alignment, you know, your body heals itself is what he was telling me. I was like, okay, I'll give it a shot. You know, lo and behold, I did went to the chiropractor and got my back aligned and everything, the headaches and everything went away. And from there I saw like, this is the way, man.

I was like, I didn't understand why it worked yet because I was still so young. And it was like the first time experiencing that. But seeing how a traditional doctor that, you know, take a pill, call me in the morning, whatever, didn't work. And then going to a chiropractor where they actually resolved the problem and taught you how to correct it yourself. That changed my life. And from there, I don't even take like ibuprofen and stuff but yeah because you know it's like the traditional medicine you see it's everything is just like like you said write a prescription get the hell out of the office

but then go into chiropractic or naturopathic it's just like they're actually there to help you not come back to their office so to speak you know heal yourself and to get things going that's literally the goal yeah it's to like not ever see you again after you're better. And that's what I see. That's like, that's where I love is because you can, you can tell like people like yourself, you truly care about the patient. You're not just trying to, you know, extract dollars from them and have them coming back day after day, after day, week after week.

And that's why I love the path that you're going on. Like there was mentioned, like people in this community see that path happening. And just so interesting how like you know the big pharma they just have so much money to make make the change because their voice is with the dollars but right yeah man i think it's fantastic what you're doing because literally that changed my life as far as like my thought process when it came to medicine totally you know same for me yeah it's just interesting how that you know the world's collided at that point yeah i guess i don't really have a question back based on that it was just like a story that i had yeah it just came to my mind i haven't thought about that that's awesome yeah i haven't thought about that in years but that's amazing that you found that path yeah well that's cool

i'll tell you we we talked about this over coffee the other day you know as i uh you know continue You know, as I continue to pursue my VA disability, right, I go into these docs looking the way that I look. And then they do their assessments and they're like, wow, your knee is a fucking mess. Your back is terrible. Like, how are you upright? You know, stuff like that and uh i tell them about the way i train the frequency i train and all that good stuff and then i give them my credentials like i feel like that's extremely important in talking to these these professionals because it's like you know oh he's not just some dumb marine you know what i mean? Like there's some, I would like them to think that there's some intelligence behind it. Right. Uh, but they're like you, the, the first thing

out of their mouth from a diagnostic standpoint is stop, cease all training. And I'm like, I think it's common knowledge amongst us, right. That should movement stop, all of these issues get worse. Yes. Right? That's literally what happens. 100%. Yeah. You know, so the fact that like I go see, you know, these conventional medical doctors,

I mean, it's part of the process. I have to, you know, I couldn't go see somebody like you and have you sign off on a diagnosis for a disability rating. They don't find your opinion valid, which I think is a travesty. But in having these conversations, it's like, where is your side of the house with getting the greater population to understand that what we do in the fitness community, not just CrossFit exclusively, is indeed preventative medicine. Like, how do you bring, how are you, how are you guys as legitimate medical professionals bringing that to the forefront, considering the fact that almost 50% of America is

borderline obese, you know the the system the epidemic of ill health that is yeah plaguing our country Um, it's hard. I'm gonna be honest. Yeah, because a lot of it like you said before we started is The patient taking responsibility for what is happening as well. Yeah. So I could talk somebody's ear off until I'm blue in the face. But if they're like, oh, I'm just going to go get this drug, they just want that quick, you know, they're taking care of it. They're handling, okay, that's on you then.

You know what I mean? So, you know, people get um not everybody but they get attached to their doctors who they've had since they were i don't know 21 or whatever 18 um i hear that a lot they're like well my doctor said this and you're like okay and they don't really want to hear anything else sure Um, or they get attached to their diagnosis and they, it's like a, it's like an identity almost for them. It's like, yeah, it is interesting. Um, and they have a hard time like giving it up, I guess. And what that reason is. Yeah. I don't really know. Um, I'd love to do research on that. There's a lot of psychology behind that. Well, yeah, totally. Yeah. Um, but um but so so but for

people like you who we get to sit and chat with and you guys are awesome because you're on board and i'm not saying everybody needs to be on board but you kind of get it and where it's going and i think um we're just trying to explain and teach simultaneously about different ways that can treat somebody with pain or who has diabetes or whatever that doesn't involve a medication. Right. You know what I mean? So diabetes, for instance, type two is completely a lifestyle thing. You know what I mean? Like it's not your pancreas didn't just all of a sudden decide to stop working one day like you it's you did it and people that sucks to hear right like man i just gave myself this horrible disease like shoot no good um so if they can accept that fact

literally all you got to do change your diet exercise good to go you know what i mean like it's totally reversible sure so just trying to educate people on that instead of just here's a pill, good day. And I'm not saying medication is not important. It totally is. We've all used it at one point or another. Does the job great. But also for a lot of the things that are coming up for us, it's not just about that. Right.

Right. I feel like there's, um, you know, with that, the identity that comes with diagnosis also comes in over reliance on medication, which just like, uh, in the gym, when I tell people that, you know, uh, to do their best not to train with belts, not to train with knee sleeves, not to train with grips, right? Because all of those things, helpful as they may be over the long term, can become a crutch. And you're not actually, we'll just use the weight belt, for example, you're not helping your body adequately create endothoracic pressure. Yeah.

So you're not bracing, you're not creating a strong enough core. Now your core has become accustomed to pushing against an external influence as opposed to doing its job. So then in the event that you don't have the crutch and then you ask your body to do what it's supposed to do you come up short can't do it right yeah so i mean i i feel like what you're talking about is that exact same phenomenon from a medical and a prescription standpoint yeah totally and have you seen a certain demographic sort of latch on to the idea of you know naturopathic medicine like the younger

age coming up or athletes is Is it a millennial thing? Because I think they're the more open-minded, it would seem. I know I could be off. I think the bigger argument is who are millennials anyways? What year to what year? I still haven't figured that out. Yeah, that's a good question. Thank you. Yeah, who is latching on to your school of thought and definitely the people who

from what i've seen the people who are into health and fitness already to begin with such as yourselves because they make it a point to educate themselves on what it is that's going on and how can I get better at this and that? And then weirdly, not parents of younger children, but for the children. Oh, yeah, sure. You know what I mean? So like the parents are like, I'm not wearing any deodorant that has aluminum in it and I'm feeding my kid all organic

and not getting any milk, no vaccinations. Yeah, none of it. But then you look at them I'm feeding my kid all organic and not getting any milk, no vaccinations. Yeah. None of it. Um, but then you look at them and it's, they'll do everything for their child, but they have a really hard time doing it for themselves. So oddly enough,

that's what I've seen. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you think causes that? Do you think it's sort of,

I guess they said generationally we get weaker, especially men. Our dads are stronger than us, on and on. They said because your parents want you to have a better life than they experience. Do you think that's sort of like the thought process that goes into that? Even though they might not completely agree with the idea for themselves, they want the next generation to live better than they lived, for instance. Yes. What you just said right there, though, is confusing to me because if you want, if you think that what you're doing for your child is going to make them stronger and better, it will obviously have the same effect for you. You know what I mean? I know exactly what you mean. Yeah. That

was interesting that you said that. I never thought about that. Um, what was the question? Sorry. What? I guess, uh, that. What was the question? Sorry. I guess, yeah, why would you think they would latch on to that idea and help the kids instead of accepting it themselves? I think just like you said, and I also just think, you know, I don't know how old you guys are, but I grew up in Ohio and it was meat and potatoes and box macaroni and cheese and, uh, skyline and like all this horrible food. Um, and that's just what you grew up on. You know what I mean? Like, I'm like my dad, I don't think knew any better if he did. Okay. I don't know that. But, um, I think people just kind of do the best that they can. And I think also it's just habit. It's habit to go through a drive-thru or it's habit to drink your Diet Coke

because you've been drinking it so long or it's habit to do it for yourself. But if you can control it for somebody else, it's a lot easier to do that, to tell your kid you're eating your broccoli before you get any sort of anything else. But you eating the broccoli, on the other hand, you'd have to have some sort of willpower to get it in there and then also realize like look this isn't a punishment right you know so yeah

habit i think that's interesting are you so and i know you mentioned you did more thai right yeah are you still practicing that i try really I don't let people punch me anymore I'm just you know the whole neck situation I'm a little freaked out about that cuz I'm only 31 and okay she's like geez but I do the pads and I do the bags and i'll do a class and it's fun to just punch and kick something how's that helped you in your career and everything because that's like that sport is you know mental mastery and you know physical mastery as well like how's that helped you as a person okay honestly um when i was doing it i was a very uh insecure person is the only way I can, uh, address myself

as, and it was very like, I had to hit harder and I had to train harder. And I had just had this front of like, I'm awesome and amazing and this and that. And getting beat and getting punched was like a really hard thing for me to take. I really beat myself up about it um so it's helped me to realize like i don't want to be that person you know what i mean like i was very why am i not good enough why am i getting punched in the face why is this happening existential blah blah blah um so it really just helped me kind of like looking back on it just be like man i was pretty cool back then too you know what i mean like it didn't have to be what it was so if i had a chance to redo it i would do it completely different in all honesty really with the training and the yeah the attitude and all that but it seems like there's always like a not always but

a direct carryover in your case like how it, you know, the symbolism getting punched in the face has carried over to, you know, starting your own practice. And essentially, you're not really getting punched in the face every day, but, you know, but it is like that. Figuratively, you are taking those shots. Yeah. You know? Honestly, I never thought about that. What a great, would that be analogy? That's an analogy.

Yeah, analogy. What a great analogy. It's analogous. Cause it's funny. Cause a lot of them like mixed martial arts guys, we talked to Doug Larson, your brother, you know,

yourself doctor. And it's like people who have taken that, that martial arts background. I don't know if, if they're more in tuned, I guess you would say, but they've exposed themselves to different stressors that most people aren't used to or comfortable exposing themselves to like physical altercation and they're comfortable in that zone where if it happens i'm good to take it there but i don't necessarily want to take it that route it

manifests in all stations of their life i've noticed yeah well you could take it one step further and you know in in the case you've learned to take, accept, and rebound from loss on your own, which isn't necessarily a lesson readily available in team sports. Because if you really wanted to, you could blame it on everybody else. It's not all your fault. If you really wanted to, you could blame it on everybody else. Sure. Right? It's not all your fault. But when it's just you and somebody else, mano y mano, well, guess what? Yeah.

Either you win, either you won, or you didn't. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And that propagates a different kind of reflex to adversity. Yes. For sure. For sure. I would agree with

you yeah took me a long time to learn that lesson mmm but I learned it which I'm thankful for yeah I mean at least at least you learned it true you know yes the the good you take the the good with. And, you know, when you're in the moment, you know, a lot of the bad seems so much longer than the good. You're literally dying. Yeah. No, so I think that's extremely awesome. And going back to your practice and the element of psychology, the discovery of a person's why. When you're taking somebody in that transition from,

I've taken all the pills, I've tried all the fucking diets, and none of it's working. Where do some of the instruments, or how does the conversation go when you're trying to make that psychological leap of responsibility how does the conversation go um fortunately for me pretty easily sure um you seem very direct yeah so i don't see like that barrier being there for you no but because i think it's super important

because i've gone through my own shit you know what what I mean? And if I hadn't done that and all the work that I did, I would not be where I am today. I know that. So I think it's super important for people to have a why or to figure out what is causing you to eat, you know, McDonald's 10 times a day, whatever the case may be. Right. You know what I mean? Um, so for me, the conversation is basically, what are your concerns? What do you want to address? Um, and it's not necessarily, people don't necessarily go, I want to address my anxiety or depression or whatever. It's sometimes it's that, but sometimes not. not um and i don't really force the issue i guess you could say but i do ask questions and i think the more interest you show in people the more willing

they're open to up about things and then you can get to that area so it's not necessarily i'm not a psychologist and you are only here to talk about this right it's a more well-rounded sort of like oh like what's going on with that tell me about that sure and then they give you some story and then you just oh well what was that like like tell me about that so honestly if you just show interest it's really not that hard for people to just open up right and then you can you know your third party you can point things out like hey have you noticed how this correlates to this and like when, when you do this, also this happens. Have you ever like noticed that? And once you bring it to their attention, they're like, Oh yeah, you're connecting the dots. Yeah. Yeah.

Which is fun. So sure. Yeah. The, uh, in your, your path to this point, what are some of the instances or the instance that made you conscious of your ability to develop rapport? Because what you just talked about is not innate for most people. That character trait of getting somebody to like and trust you and be genuinely interested and inquisitive like that's extremely important to what you do but how is that part of your being that's so weird to me that it's not and you know what i mean like i don't people say it to me all the time like there's no way there's no way people don't care not care that much but i guess it's true i know i would be i guess um okay so when i was going through all my shit and trying to figure myself out i was a very

headache part no no no no the like my fucked upness um okay Okay, so. Tell us the story. Oh, no, I'll try to make it short. I feel like I'm talking a lot. No, go for it. You're supposed to talk. I know. When I was younger, childhood was not the greatest. Mom left when I was five.

Dad raised me with my brother. Dad was always at work, so it was really like nobody home. My mom wasn't around. You know what I mean? It all just really got to me. Yeah. but i didn't have an avenue to express that my family is very much don't uh uh just don't bring it up just ignore it like don't talk about it don't do anything don't say anything like you might start something like they're very like that and i love my family to death but they are and so um it was like i had so much built up resentment and so much anger towards all the shit that happened in my life.

But I didn't know how to properly explain it to somebody or be vulnerable enough to say, look, this really hurt me and it really sucked. Can we have a conversation about it? So I never developed those skills um and so part of the reason i started muay thai was because purely uh compensatory mechanism to where i don't feel tough enough so i'm gonna go do something tough and then i'll be like invincible and impenetrable and nothing will get to me sort of thing right so i did that and then i got into med school and it was like oh i'm so like i gotta be smart i got into med school and this and that and then you do these things and then you still feel like shit like nothing nothing worked right it was like man i just still feel like a piece of shit you know um and so

luckily i found this amazing doctor his name is dr Dr. Moshe. He's in Canada. Hey bud. Um, he really helped me through all that and kind of the kind of just threw me into the deep end. Um, we're trying to figure all of it out, but, um, working with him really helped me kind of just figure everything out. And so I guess the continuing to feel like shit and then taking, like noting that, like clearly you saying, Hey, and being a friend of me is not making me feel any better.

So I got to like work on something else internally and figure out what's going on. Right. And after I kind of did that, I fucking Pinterest, I read this quote on pinterest and it just said i know everybody's laughing but it's so true it's one of those like um but it just said be who you needed when you were younger and literally all i needed when i

was younger was for somebody to talk to me and like be like tell me how you're feeling what's going on do you see how this is doing this or what you know what i mean just someone to understand i didn't have that so let's literally all i want to do for people now is just be like oh tell me about that that really sucks like what's going on with that or whatever sure so i guess that's how it rock on that's really interesting i want to know about your experience with Dr. Moshe. I'm apparently a very interesting person. This is great.

No one's ever said that. I mean, you don't suck. That's why you're sitting on this couch. I know that. So Dr. Moshe helped you fix that part. You know you don't suck anymore, so that's good. Yes, yes. Props to Dr. Moshe.

He's amazing. Tell us about that. What did you guys work on for you you know since so much of that is in internally self-perception uh negative self-taught lack of affirmation all of those things um you know is he a naturopath he is a naturopath okay yes okay so he fuck this is a lot so he came to the school deep and dope it is i like it i like it he came to the school and i was a student i think i was uh first year second year something like that and i would literally seriously guys get hundreds on tests and i'd be like i should have done better like how the fuck can you do better if you got 100 out of 10?

That makes zero sense. It's stupid. So somebody sent out an email like, hey, this Dr. Moshe is coming in. He needs a student to demonstrate how he does his style of counseling on them. And I was like, maybe I should do it. So I signed up for it. And so I had previously been diagnosed with body dysmorphic disorder. Sure. You guys know what it is? Okay. Um, bodybuilders. Fair enough. I don't

know. Um, so I was previously diagnosed with that. So I told them like, this is what I've been diagnosed with. Uh, this is what I'm trying to figure out. So on and so forth. And so in front of like, I don't know to cut you off real quick what end of the spectrum were you on? were you self perceptually too big or too skinny? Too big go

so I sat down with him in front of like I don't know fucking 150 people or something like that everybody showed up to this thing and it's fucked up because nobody ever showed up to most of the other club shit what is happening right now and so that was really hard but so he sat there with me and he just asked questions and he asked the right questions and i can't tell you exactly what those questions were right but he

very much connected the dots for me and he very much made me go to a level that was much deeper and much more self-aware than i don't look like a model on tv or whatever the fucking case may be you know what i mean my ass is too small or whatever. And so he helped me just to really reflect on where everything came from. And once I was able to make those associations, it was like, okay, I do this because this happened. How can I reroute and handle it a different way and so i would literally explode

in people's faces i would get in their faces and i would yell at them and i would say mean things like i didn't care i just wanted to like hurt people basically is where it was coming from so he just it was a lot of just talk like that, you know. He also used homeopathy. I don't know if you guys know what that is. No, explain. It's a very long, another very long story. Homeopathy, super safe, super simple, effective medicine.

Very individualized. So there are like, I don't know, 300, 400 remedies that you could pick from. And they all have a very distinct set of symptoms. And so the remedies are given based off of how one would present with symptoms. So it's not just like, I'm angry. And they're like, here's a Xanax. It's very much more in depth, much more involved. Um, so he helped or he used that with me and it helped to just kind of like clear the background noise, I guess, kind of shut my mind up a little bit so I could actually see what was going on instead of just making shit up in my head. Right.

Right. So, um, just that, just a lot of counseling with him and a lot of crying and like, I suck. No, you don't like, you know, just going back and forth and just working through it. Yeah. Yeah. So how long did that process take to finally, or is it still an ongoing process, but the like i suck no you don't like you know just going back and forth and just working through it yeah so how long did that process take to finally or is it still an ongoing process but the initial yeah discovery of that i would say a good two okay um until i started to feel better maybe maybe probably six months to a year. Um,

cause it's not easy to go from a lifetime of like thoughts and beliefs and this and that to something completely different. Like you really have to stand there and face your shit and that's scary. Um, so for me it was like six months to a year and then every once in a while still like, it's still an ongoing thing. Like shit will creep back up.

Like, especially with the business. I'm like, what am I, why do i even do this like who am i i'm nobody i'm from ohio like they don't do anything um no offense um i know right um so yeah every once in a while i'll still just give him a ring and i'm like this is happening i don't know what's going on and he'll just he just asks questions and he helps me walk through it and it's like ah okay so when did he make the the the transition from uh professor educator in in your life to mentor because that seems like the seat that he sits in right now he very much so he gosh pretty immediately if i can be honest um

and i think he's amazing but i also think he was the only person ever in my life to really take the time to sit and listen and i know that's what I was paying him for, but I had been to counselors previously and it was never fucking like that. You know what I mean? I remember one session, I literally just sat there out of spite and didn't say a fucking word for an hour. Goodwill hunting style. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I was just like, why am I here? This is stupid. Nobody helped me through anything except for him. Um, and so after that, and because of the progress I was making, I guess it was maybe like a year or so. Sure. Um, to where I was like, damn, like I want to learn how to do that. I want to, I want to, I want to be that for other people. Sure. So, yeah. Yeah. So in saying that, what would,

how would you define your purpose at this point and, you know, down the road? Jeez, guys. Chewy. My purpose in life? In life. Is just to make other people's lives better. To help them get to where they want to go. I don't know.

I feel like I'm more of a coach than I am a doctor. There you go. I don't know. I love the medicine, but also I would rather, if you have a goal or something, even if it's not medicine related, I want to fucking help you get there in whatever way I can.

So from a diagnosis, what's your, what's the best way to put this question? Just ask it. What's your favorite mode of treatment? Like if you're if you're avatar like the perfect patient came to see you like is like what do you love about treatment is it uh like natural remedies is it acupuncture like what is your what's what's your jam it's like

yes this is totally off what we've been talking about, but like minor surgery. Really? Yes. What constitutes minor? So anything above the muscular layer. So pulling out thorns? Yep. So suturing, lipomas, abscesses, things like that.

And it's because you get to like work with your hands and it's not pretty when you start and then you get to make it pretty. Interesting. That's the last thing I thought and then you get to make it pretty. Interesting. That's the last thing I thought she was going to say. I know. I told you it was completely off topic. That's interesting. But if someone came to me,

I'm like, I have this lump and be like, yes, sit down. We're going to fix that. That's how Dr. Pimple got big time. Yeah.

I'm telling you, she's awesome. She crushes it. She's amazing. That shit's gross. You think so? No. Dude, it's relaxing. Just like, I i would agree with you it's soothing to see that i don't know why when you see all this shit come out you're just like oh it's so purified yeah you're both

but while they're sitting there you get to talk with them about their life and like whatever you know what I mean? Sure. I don't know. I just like people. I dig it. I love that, though, because the best doctors, you know, even in my time when I blew my knee out, the best doctor I had, Dr. Jeffrey, he was fantastic, man. But he got to know me as a person, not just sitting there, move your knee, do an ACL test, blah, blah, blah.

He got to understand like my background as a person and really dive in deep by the time i was on the surgery table it was like i was comfortable i wasn't you know apprehensive about getting cut open i just woke up and i was like damn it's time to get back out there you know what i mean yes but it's that you know the social aspect of building that rapport is super important i think like you're mentioning a lot of people miss that in this world that we live in. And that's part of being a business owner, a doctor, or just a friend, just being there to listen.

Well, I think that's the element of the deal that as connected as we've become via technology, that's where it kind of backfires because we're not genuine. We're not genuine we're living in this this microwave of interaction right where um you know if i don't want to deal i just stop texting yeah you know what i mean or i can create literally my own universe on social media where i only see

the good things the butterflies the pretty, you know what I mean? And it completely puts the blinders on to the adversity or the negativity that actually goes on in the world. And I think that filters into our ability to have honest, authentic, vulnerable conversation. And I think some of those words have become, you know, uh, um, cliche, you know, in, in the here and now vulnerability and authenticity and stuff like that. But it's, it's still very true. Totally true. You know what I'm saying? Like I would much rather be uncomfortable for five minutes and tell you exactly how I feel than walk on eggshells or let something great fall apart because things were

left unsaid. Totally. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. And that's how resentment builds too. 100%. You know what I mean? Like you don't get to say what you're feeling and then all of a sudden you're

pissed off. Right. But now I'm not pissed off. I'm not pushing that anger on you who I have issue with. Now it's on Jeff. It's on Max. Like everybody pisses me off. You know what I mean?

Because I didn't have a conversation with you. Right. Which, you know, doesn't make any logical sense, but it is indeed the human condition. It is. It is. I think also too, people, those words like genuine invulnerability, they consider it like a weakness. Oh, sure.

Yeah. Absolutely. It was funny because you had said while we were at coffee, you consider it like a weakness. Oh sure. Yeah. And it was funny cause you had said while we were at coffee, you were like something about crying. I don't remember exactly what it was, but you're like, I had to learn how to cry or what you said something about crying. Well, I did. You did. Funny thing. I'm all about crying. I am a crier. Yeah. But I'm gonna make you cry. Check this out this is for for anybody that's walking the entrepreneurial path right now go see the greatest showman it's gonna make you cry it's the it's the

musical with hugh jackman and uh zach efron yeah okay i saw the commercials for that shit and i was like that's dumb definitely not going to see that shit. Nicole's like, my wife. Yeah. She's like, you have to see it. You'll love it. It's about P.T. Barnum and how he built the circus, right? Bro, I shit you not.

15 minutes into the movie. It's two and a half hours long. 15 minutes in. Waterworks. Already. What? Waterworks. Yeah.

And then three more times throughout the shit I was like man I know what you're feeling bro I've been there ah I need to learn the words of this song

man man but like I think that it's it's you know being able to

just allow the things that strike an emotional chord you know to just be is extremely fucking important you know what i mean like in in my 34 year old self i'm way more mature than my 23 year old self but you know just being able to sit in the movie you know either right next to my wife or in a theater full of 100 fucking strangers and be able to sit in the movie you know either right next to my wife or in a theater full of 100 fucking strangers and be able to just feel whatever i feel like i'm great with that and i look back on other experiences prior to you know the progressive awakening i've had over the years

and i'm just like god i would have that same experience and just have like this visceral reaction to wanting to cry and i can remember having like this interior dialogue like dude just cry yeah like it's fucking okay you know and it's like in the the the conscious part of my my brain i'm having this discussion with myself but there's another part of it this affront that i have this ego that is like nah man don't do that shit yeah you know yeah like that's that's not cool and you know as i've improved my circle of influence and been around uh you know the especially men that are redefining the what masculine what it is to be masculine you know i'm completely cool with it like i don't even give a shit anymore like that shit's sad

i'm gonna go ahead and you know i don't cry like you know bandit panda scratching bellies or anything like that but you know when when it strikes a chord it's cool to let it go absolutely you know what i'm saying it's healthy you know it go. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. It's healthy. It is healthy. While we're on the wellness tip. But that's still perceived to be, in society. Joe and playing football and being a Marine and doing all these things, this culture of aggressive agro-masculinity, a lot of that just gets pushed to the back. And it's not embraced. Until some really traumatic shit happens, right? And then you get to see somebody,

what my dad would describe as emotionally naked, right? That's when you find out the true essence of somebody. You find out what they're really about, where their breaking point actually is, you know, and it, if you're okay with being vulnerable, you don't ever have to go that far to discover that about yourself. And that's something that can be taught and should be embraced. Yes. I would agree with you a hundred percent.

Very well said. Oh, I practiced on the way over. Thank you for sharing. You did not. You did not. I already know you didn't. Go see The Greatest Showman because that shit is, it's like that. For real.

Interesting. Yeah. I always click on it and I'm like, ah, and then I pull away from it. I don't know why. Me too. I'm just like, ah, later. I'll tell you why I clicked on it because it's a musical. We were sitting down for dinner and I wanted to keep my son occupied.

He likes music. He likes elephants. Cool. Next thing I know, he's sitting there eating chips and guacamole and I'm just crying. Man. Just blubbering. That's awesome. I'm a sobber too. It's embarrassing.

It's snot running down your nose. Excellent. Grab the tissue. Excellent. It's on's on hits an emotional trigger that's weird that stuff pops up sometimes man yeah man but uh no i think i think it's really cool what you got going on um i i really enjoy your perspective on the whole deal yeah seriously you know because you your your approach is very much the person as a collective, not just the body as a system. Like, okay, you're obviously here because you want change. But above and beyond that, why do you want to change? And is it bad enough for you now that you'll stick with whatever treatment protocol we decided to come up with? Cause like you said, when we sat down for coffee

the other day, it's not sexy, it's hard and it takes a while. You know what you were talking about, uh, working with your mentor, you know, it's a, it was a six to 12 month process for you to like be consciously all right with yourself. Like that's the shit that nobody wants to hear. You know, by the way, for you to get from point A to point B, you're looking at 12 months. Yep. Just so you know. Yeah. Right. And that's a very like that walk in in real time, you know, 12 months goes by like that. Super quick. But in the here and now it's like, oh my God, that's so far away. You know? Um, so you know, the, the fact that you, you have the ability to be as direct as you are and still accomplish the monumental task that is developing trust and rapport with somebody that those two things, most of the time in my experience are mutually exclusive you know

people that have your directness in dealing with stranger interaction are like she's a raging bitch he's a fucking asshole you know what i mean yeah they told me all the things i didn't want to hear and that's not why i came here you know but you have the ability to flip that on his head and tell them exactly what the hell is going on. And at the same time, we're going to create a relationship. Totally. We're going to take this thing,

the distance. We're going to be friends, you know? Yeah. And I think that's massive. So I think the, the movement that you're on, you know,

is only going to pick up momentum. Thank you. Yeah. I appreciate that pick up momentum. Thank you. Yeah. I appreciate that. So before we let you get out of here, I want to ask you two questions. Uh oh. Answer them on any level.

I didn't sign up for this. That's what you hear now. I'm just kidding. Right? Remember that deep end thing? Yeah. Start swimming. Oh,

geez. I hate the ocean too. Me too. Right? Sharks. Me too. I'm just saying. That's another another story you were eaten by a shark oh no i was like oh god don't i hear it have you seen all the shark memes from the hurricane

no no as tragic as all that shit is like they're creating this like sharknado scenario like sharks are blowing in some fucking hilarious on google check it it out. It's a mess. That's terrifying. But anyway. Okay. Question number one. Ask them both and then you can answer. Okay. First of which is, what do you do each and every day to feed yourself and stimulate the energy to do what you do on a daily basis? And the follow on to that is, what do you do each and every day to fuel yourself and make sure that that energy is sustainable over the long term so the thing that i do every day is work out easily um i know

that if i don't work out you just feel lazier i don't know you know what i mean so then shit doesn't get done you're like oh man i didn't get it done right so if I just start and I work out I'm good to go um what do I do to fuel what was the other one fuel myself create this to send the energy uh I envision what it's gonna look like when every person is aware that they deserve more out of this life. Because I think we settle. And I think that's shitty. And I think we should all go out and do fucking amazing things. That's good.

That's a good one. I love it. Thanks. I wasn't expecting that. That was a damn good one I wasn't expecting that one damn good one that's massive and then where can everybody in this community go follow you and support you and your business and everything that you have going you can go to my website Alinea health net thank you yes Thank you. Yes, I said it correctly. I do know my own name. I'm on Facebook at Dr. Rachel. No, it's Alinea Health now.

I don't know. I just change it. Look up Alinea Health or Dr. Rachel Hasselbrock. Either one. I'm on Instagram. But let's be honest. I'm actually never on Instagram. So if you follow me there, you're going to get like, I know.

I just don't care. I know. You will. I don't right now like i you get it i can we'll talk social media i don't like it um it's the world we live in start i know i'm such an old soul i'm like give me a paper book. I feel like I was the last CrossFit box to get on People was like my life and I'm like, I don't know I'm just fucking Right now my vision board like no he get a shit about that Yeah, that's weird to me like you surprised. I know but then part of me is like why don't you go make your own vision? Board stop looking at mine I'm trying I know, but then part of me is like, why don't you go make your own vision board? Stop looking at mine. Be the inspiration.

I'm trying. So yeah, those three places would be good. Thanks for asking. Yeah. Appreciate you being on. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for A, having coffee with me the other day. Thank you.

And then B, entertaining the idea of being on the show today. Yeah, seriously. I appreciate you guys having me. And being so deep and dope with us. Thank you. For everybody out there in Feed Me, Feel Me land, make sure you get out there and check out everything that Dr. Rachel has going on. And if you're interested in anything naturopathic, you now have a go-to resource.

For sure. For sure. So thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. You guys are awesome. You are awesome. No, you so much. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. You guys are awesome. You are awesome.

No, you're awesome. We're all fucking awesome. Even Max over there. Crushed it. He's from Ohio. He's automatically awesome. He's already awesome right there, right? He's got to be.

Until next time, guys. Feed me, fuel me. And that'll do it for this episode with our special guest, Dr. Rachel Hesselbrock. If you want to check out everything that Dr. Hesselbrock has going, please go to the full show notes on shrugcollective.com. Also, be sure to connect with us on social media, including Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at FeedMeFuelMe. We would love to hear from each and every one of you. If you found this episode inspiring in any way,

please leave a rating and a comment in iTunes so we can continue on this journey together. Also, be sure to share with your friends and family on social media, including Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram, Twitter, or any other social platforms that you use. We really appreciate you spending your time with us today and allowing us to join you on your journey. We would love to hear your feedback on this episode, as well as guests and topics for future episodes. To end this episode, we would love to leave you with a quote from Hippocrates. The natural healing force within each one of us is the greatest force of getting well. Our food should be our medicine. Our medicine should be our food.

Thank you again for joining us, and we'll catch you on the next episode. Way to make it to the end of the show. As always, go to Shrug Collect over at iTunes. Give us a five-star review, positive comment, and hit thrivemarket.com slash feed me to get that great deal on awesome groceries. See you next time.