Barbell Shrugged - Tips from Celebrity Chef David Fultz — Real Chalk #67

Episode Date: March 19, 2019

Mr. Flutters (@flutters77) is the official chef for more famous people then he can even remember. From big time hip hop super stars, the top names in CrissFit, professional athletes, to his current country singing super stars — (he’s not allowed disclose names) you can rest assure that he has experience making some top quality food. Not only that but he personally visits each farm that he buys products from and he drops the names of the best quality places all over this episode.   I ask a few questions about quality of products that you’re getting at restaurants, what to look for and ask for, we talk a little bit about his struggles, and we just have a fun flowing entertaining conversation that keeps your attention the whole time. It’s a little longer than usual, but the time will fly by. Enjoy!   ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Show notes: http://www.shruggedcollective.com/rc-fultz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @vuori - www.vuoriclothing.com “SHRUGGED25” to save 25% storewide @bioptimizers: www.BiOptimizers.com/shrugged  “shrugged” to save 37% @whoop: "Shrugged" for 15% off a WHOOP ► Subscribe to Shrugged Collective's Channel Here http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedSubscribe 📲 🎧 Listen to the audio version on the Apple Podcast App or Stitcher for Android Here- http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedApple http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedStitcher Shrugged Collective is a network of fitness, health and performance shows that help people achieve their physical and mental health goals.  Usually in the gym, but outside as well. In 2012 they posted their first Barbell Shrugged podcast and have been putting out weekly free videos and podcasts ever since. Along the way we've created successful online coaching programs including The Shrugged Strength Challenge, The Muscle Gain Challenge, FLIGHT, Barbell Shredded, and Barbell Bikini. We're also dedicated to helping affiliate gym owners grow their businesses and better serve their members by providing owners tools and resources like the Barbell Business Podcast. Find Shrugged Collective and their flagship show Barbell Shrugged here: SUBSCRIBE ON ITUNES ► http://bit.ly/ShruggedCollectiveiTunes WEBSITE ► https://www.ShruggedCollective.com INSTAGRAM ► https://instagram.com/shruggedcollective FACEBOOK ► https://facebook.com/ barbellshruggedpodcast TWITTER ► http://twitter.com/barbellshrugged

All right, Chalk Nation, it's Tuesday. You know what it means. It's time for a new episode of Real Chalk. So we're sitting down with David Foltz. A.K.A. Flutters. Flutters. Why are we sitting down with Mr. Flutters here? Well, Flutters is a chef. Yep. Cooks for a lot of famous people. Yep.

We are in Los... We are in... I guess... Is Newport Beach considered Los Angeles? I think it's L.A. County. I think it's L.A. County. Yeah. So whenever you think of the word L.A., for those of you in the middle of America, this is like one of those places where, like, magical things happen. It's a nice beach area. And you do happen to know all of the movie stars.

So it's not uncommon to have something like this sitting across the table. But it is uncommon to have the list of people that you've actually cooked for, which is pretty vast. Yeah, it expands. It's definitely a very long list of humans, ranging from athletes to big-name country people. Yeah. Where I'm at now, currently in Nashville. And you also had some big-name rappers. Yeah, I had some notable rappers.

Some great times in my life. I think it's always funny that you don't like the rappers. It's such a different life. Just very, it was me being released into the world as a private chef and that particular section of music in the beginning was just very rough. Like it was a very hard transition for me because i was winging it mostly so when it came for like paydays or like checks i'm thinking that i'm supposed to be getting x amount of dollars and on a friday and it would be like two months later and i'm like

hey you guys realize you haven't paid me right like i don't know like i'm not working for free anymore they're like oh okay cool and then they'll give you, like, a $100 check. And you're like, there's a fucking bag right there with $30,000 in it. Yeah. Like, give me my fucking paycheck, dickheads. Yeah. And they're like, oh, well, you know, I remember that you did this and I didn't like this. Oh, really?

Yeah. And I was like, dude, fuck you. I'm not part of your fucking crew. I just feel like they'd be throwing money all over the place. I mean, they do probably. They throw their money all over the place in Vegas and strip clubs. For me, just being the chef, I'm just sitting there like, are you motherfuckers for real right now?

Is there anything super interesting that goes on in these people's lives that nobody would ever really ever imagine? I know you can't say the people's names but like are their lives just like not together and it's just a complete mess it's definitely like a there's things that you see that are just like that's why my head's fucked up that's that's why i'm fucked up in the head is because i'm because our rules in the real world don't they don't they're not a part of their lives they're they're on other stuff so you can be sitting there just what we think is supposed to be normal is not normal to them they're like for instance let's talk about narcotics yeah and i'm used to just like they'll be back in the day there

would be like six people just off of one thing and for them they'll pull out a bag like it's scrunched up money and just be like oh this is mine for tonight you're like jesus how are you so alive you have a heartbeat like you wake up like this and then But it was funny is that when I did that and then when I was in New York and I was working for like TV for around like TV people, it was kind of like the same thing. Like they were waking up, starting drinking. Doing drugs and stuff. Just like going all the way through the day. And I was like, wow, you guys function really well on what you do. And I have to be like the shady little like corner guy, like getting shit for him be like oh i gotta find this person so you find out

knowing the plug for all this shit and you don't want to and you're like dude this ain't for me man like here's here this is my paycheck like i'm giving you my paycheck i'm not very happy about this do these people really even like appreciate what their lives are like really or not probably probably don't even get a chance to i depends on who you are yeah i'd say because i've seen some shit where it's like i like i'm a sneaker head and i've seen like a this dude brought just there had to been ten thousand dollars in shoes and all he wanted was an instagram post because this would be in the beginning when instagram was just blown up yeah it's like hey i just want you to blow up i just want you to post about all the shoes we got.

You just do a post for me, and I'm not leaving until I get it. So they personally stalled this dude out from like 10 a.m. to fucking like 5 a.m. the next day. Made him go just do a bunch of just like, oh, I want In-N-Out. Go give me In-N-Out. And you're like, you're a dick. Mind you, this whole time in that particular incident there wasn't any food

in the house so they didn't want to pay for food and I was like well there's no food to eat and they're like well what are we supposed to do I was like

give me money so I can go to the store yeah like oh okay cool and then they just walked away and just like

laid in bed until like this fucking guy went and bought him fucking In-N-Out and then them fucking In-N-Out. And then he got In-N-Out, but his crew didn't have anything to eat. And they didn't have any money. And you're the chef.

Yeah, and I'm just like. Don't look at me, fuckers. You guys need to get food for me to cook. Yeah. I was there when they did a video. They did a music video and they brought all these people in. And you're supposed to cater. The artists are supposed to cater the event.

Yeah. Well, no one said anything. So they're just like, no, we ain't feeding nobody. And I was like, okay. So the models that they got were from like 10 to 2. The artists didn't wake up until 2. And then the models were like, well, how much are we getting paid? They threw a hissy fit.

They bought their own pizza. And then they ended up giving them like $100. Wow. I was like. This is is unreal i can't believe this no way i was like and these people are making like millions of dollars yeah i mean like i've seen louie bags just like with 30 racks in it yeah probably more yeah and they're just and then um they're just on their own they're on their own schedule they're all you know like we're used to like a regiment of things like wake up here you know like sleep in is this they're just like no i'll just do whatever i want i just the sun's out and it's too bright i'm just gonna turn the shades off and just sleep till five like oh so now you're with some huge country country bands

and what's is is it like drastically different or are they kind of the same in their own way no they're very different yeah i think it's uh working for working for baseball players for a while definitely helped prepare me because i deal more with with the wives than i do anything else because they want to you know they're they're very intrigued about what's going on and they'll follow diets so i'll end up talking with them and just seeing what they want. But for me as a chef, I'm just like, you know, here's the thing. This is what I do. And I'll show you some of those things, but we have to go to a farm.

We have to go find these farmers that are growing stuff. They're like, oh, well, so then that fits like paleo or that fits like keto. And I was like, eh, I just call it the way that people did things 200 years ago. And so I do it. Because I don't really like using oils. I use fats and lards. But then I try to make all that myself. It's like churning butter.

There's a certain way to do it. But there's a certain way to do it. And you need like a piece of wood to do it. And it needs to be with you like all the time. Because there's certain bacteria that's inside that wood that helps inoculate the butter on its own. In the wood? Yeah. And it's healthy.

And they've proven it in scientific studies, which is funny to me because stainless steel vats help. They just harvest bacteria because there's nowhere to go. It's stainless steel. And then in wood, there's just so much built-up bacteria in there that's good for you that they're like, oh, it's supposed to do this, supposed to do that. I'm like, well, maybe it will. But right now there's studies showing that it's actually really good for you because that's like saying kimchi sucks. Kimchi is really good for you. But then – so like for an artist –

Kimchi is fermented, yeah? Yeah. So yeah. Just another version of pickles. Yeah. There's another – there's a huge thing going on right now with this fermented fermentation stuff people are like it's good for you it's not good for you this that blah blah but here here where we are everyone's so opinionated about everything on this it doesn't matter what and especially diet yeah oh yeah that you want

to start a fight you know that's the easiest way to do it because there's so many different things like and with me as a chef and working with so many athletes i'm just like i just stopped dealing with the diet shit and was just like this is what the fuck i do i source meat from basically wyoming all the way through the dakotas up in idaho and there's all the animals under the sun and i cook them shits and that's where they come from meat farmer paul that's the goat you just ate. Don't cry. So where are you getting your meat from? Right now I'm sourcing it out of Idaho. Idaho. Yeah.

And why is that? I just found a ranch that has a really good product. And I'm going to start using another one out of Texas. It's called Rome Ranch. They're really good at what they do. I really fall in love with the stories of human beings, especially young couples that are just wanting to get off the reservation and just do something wonderful.

Now they make a great product. I have the ability to afford it to get it to my clients. So when you say great product, is it because of the way that it's sourced or because of the way that it tastes, or is it both? Both. I mean, to taste the meat itself is actually one of those things where you actually have to sit down and do a tasting of it because the meat becomes very sweet.

You can almost taste the grass depending on how it's been grazing. But it's just the quality of life that the animals are having. And I had to actually learn this and actually go. So I was in Montana for a while, and I was learning about how that system works. Montana to me sounds like the ultimate for meat. I just see like huge green pastures because like i think of nobody living there oh yeah and it's like 10 cows like you know slapping each other's hands like hey it's a good day today so i can go party

they have their own bag of drugs this is on a river just like what are you doing today, man? Hanging out. That's what I think of in Montana. Dude, there is nothing in Montana. I mean, it's a beautiful state. Yeah, it's gorgeous. Yeah. But there's a particular ranch out there called The Great Alone that I love working with. And they have.

The Great Alone. Do they have a website? Actually, I don't know. Okay. But their name is Lainey. She's family. It's like sixth generation they can trace it all the way back to the 1700s wow it's fucking rad dude one-eyed civil war veteran blew

up some shit and called it his never left really i love that story brought his brothers and there are sheep herders over there what is this place called again the great alone cattle company fuck i'm gonna hit them up for sure do great alone cattle company all right so they're out two dot montana and two dot montana has a population of like two two hundred people it's like 25 miles wait every person what i don't know how it's on the map ledger but it's basically like per person it's almost like 10 miles in between each other wow there's a little city uh hank williams jr wrote a song about it look up that one i'll check it out all right so now we're getting meat from this place and we're getting there and then so like in nashville just just

going oh yeah you're in nashville now you're coming back and forth between nashville yeah i've actually never been i I heard it's awesome. Do you like it? Nashville's tight. Okay, cool. It's a good time there. I've got to check it out. They're making Nashville, actually Tennessee in general, a tax-free state.

Oh, that's awesome. It starts this year, I think. God bless America. All those rich people now that you're cooking for can give you a little more because they're not paying any taxes. Yes! It just makes my life so much easier so i mean if you're the upper tax bracket in california you can add another 15 or 16 percent to that just for state tax wow i'm horrible at adulting and something so i don't even know i'm just like yeah i'm one of those people that just shows up with just like a trash

bag full of paper because today i'm. That's why I pay you. I don't know. I don't know. But yeah. But have you been to Denver lately? I've never been to Denver. Oh, God. I can't believe how much traveling I've done, and I haven't been to these very simple American places. I've hiked mountains in Norway, and I've done crazy shit.

The most extreme things. And I haven't been to Denver. Nope. Hour flight. The most extreme things. And I haven't been to Denver. Nope. Our flight. Literally. 50 bucks. Let's just go today. Let's bring this podcast straight to the fucking airplane.

Jen Winstrom, we're coming for you. I've always wanted to go to the airport and just be like, next flight, please. And it's just going to fucking somewhere weird. And I'm like, all right, here we go. Let's get weird. Let's pull out my bag of drugs. The bag of drugs comments coming back this whole podcast. That was crazy.

Like it was like they woke up and I was like, I felt like a butler. And I was like, it's like fear and loathing in Las Vegas. Like here you are, sir. Your towel. And he's like, what is this shit on me? Like it's white full. What do you think it is? He's like, what is this shit on me? It's white, full. What do you think it is? He's like, oh, shit.

Good. And then he gives me his gold chain and he's like, yo, can you clean this for me? Really? I was like, god damn it. This is what my life has fucking boiled down to. Well, shit. Okay, let's get back to the important stuff here. So when you're cooking, obviously these people do want high quality

food yeah yeah they're actually probably asking for that too right or do they not really care no they are they're trusting everyone so like everyone wants the best quality food right athletes you me person a and then them they all do they normally say like okay give me the best quality food i don't care how much it costs, this, that. Just take care of it. Or do they say, I want it from here. I want it like this. I want keto diet. I want this.

They'll say diet-specific things. They'll be like, oh, well, right now I'm doing stuff on the Reformer, and it says that I should do this diet to help me lean out. I'm like, damn, girl, you're already 110 pounds. What do you need to lean out for? Yeah. Like, it don't make no sense, but I'm like, okay. But it's a very, there's people that want a lot of things but are very misinformed about the reality of what it is.

So, like, for a premium quality meat from Meat Out of Montana or Rome Ranch, like, it's expensive. Like, you have to decide. It's like anything else. Like, you as a trainer, when you tell people, you're like, yeah, I'll get you skinny in a month if you want but i mean in four months don't be pissed off if you go back into that place where you were before like you're literally changing your entire life you you have to live a certain way you just change your life yeah for sure you

you eat different you act different you're cognizant of what goes on and and that's what i try to preach to them like yeah i'll do i'll do keto or whatever for you but i just want you to know like it doesn't matter if i'm doing keto if i'm getting your stuff from costco or from bonds like i don't think that's really doing much for you other than easing the tension in your mind and so for me i'm like i want to if they're able to go in public because a lot of people that are really like if they're like celebrities celebrities like they they have a hard time going out in public without getting harassed. Yeah. It takes one person to be like, oh, selfies, and then their day's fucked.

But if I can, then I want to take them out to meet the farmers so they can actually see what's growing. So you've actually taken some of them to the farmers? Yeah. that's cool yeah because it's it's really like they need to be educated on just how things go and i want them to know where their meat comes from or where where their food is coming from and a lot of people are just used to seeing everything in the vet in the grocery store in the vegetable aisle and i'm like there's so many different bright colors and so many different things growing winter time it definitely sucks because you're limited to what you have because you know sweet potatoes turnips like boring vegetables but there's a lot of usage in it on all those things it's just people don't know that and so with them I'm like I'm like hey guys like yeah I can get you

broccoli but I just don't want to because I don't think it's good for you. And they're just like, oh, well, we like broccoli. I'm like, cool. Well, I don't because it's not seasoned right now. I'm like, oh, all right. Well, I guess then we won't eat that. I'm like, you're right. So what does that mean when it's not in season? So it's getting made somewhere.

It's just greenhoused. And it's just in a controlled climate environment, which it is what it is, right? We need that sustainability. We have too many people on this fucking planet now yeah we need to provide food for them but it's just but what what is it about them being in inside that you don't like you can't there's no nutritional value within the food when the food is actually coming from dirt yeah like and the farmer is controlling all of that soil like like, there's nutrition built into that. There's a lot of things that just come naturally with food that if you eat enough of it, like, you get what your body needs.

That's the thing that I try to, like, preach to them is, like, touch the dirt, like, smell it, like, ask them what they do. Like, I mean, there's a science to soil harvesting it's it's a trip and it's whether you you can use cocoa nibs or um how you're actually how you're mulching the ground the different just all there's 900 different things and people just people like doing that stuff there's if you use worms there's really high nutritional value in the worm feces and there's certain things you can do if you have the space if you live in an apartment it's's kind of like, you're kind of fucked. You have to go to the farmer's market. But if you have a home and you're able to afford having like a garden,

things like that, and learn from other gardeners, it's a really cool process. And it just goes, I mean, it's like a rabbit hole. It just goes deeper and deeper into the system. And that's what I try to preach to them is naturally like holistic way of eating. Okay. I really like that a lot. Yeah. Speaking of worms, I feel like that kind of like wants to worm me into a little wormhole

here of talking about like quality of different foods. So like I know for eggs, for instance, you have the term like vegetarian fed. Right. You have – and I've talked about this on one of my nutrition podcasts back in the back in the day but it was a long time ago so i think it's cool to bring this up again okay and you have organic and you have pasture raised and you have a bunch of these different things so technically the best eggs would be from chickens that are eating worms okay which would be like your pasture raised like legit chicken that's walking around hanging out with with those same cows in Montana that we're talking about,

having a great fucking day. High fives all over the place. That gang is crushing, Mike. Is there a huge difference that you've seen when you go to these farms, seeing some of the chickens? Because I know chickens right now is, like, they're getting a humongous gnarly rap right now because some of them are on top of each other. the whole farm situation with chickens is really bad like the quality of chicken is

really bad and then like so when you're cooking it since you're so in tune with food like do you taste a humongous difference do you see a difference when you crack the egg open and the color of the yolk like and then and then and then like is there are there any farms that you really trust as far as, like, getting eggs and chicken from? Yeah. So that's actually really dope. That was a lot of questions, but yeah. That's actually really dope. So my boy in Temecula, he runs Primal Pastures.

His name is Farmer Paul. Primal Pastures? Yeah. Right now, he started, got out of the military, started a farm. Him and his family was just like, we're going to raise chickens. And he was like, okay. Temecula is a cool spot. It's pretty big and open.

Yeah. And the way, I'm trying to think, for him in doing very, I would just call it large-scale chicken farming, the difference between that and what you would get in Tyson is, how can I tie this back? So I was a chef in the Hamptons. I'm going to try and tie this back? So I was a chef in the Hamptons. I'm going to try and tie this back. So I was a chef in the Hamptons. Damn, you were a chef fucking everywhere. I've been a lot of places.

So I was cooking for this family, and the house mom, super dope lady from the Philippines, she was just her and her family just providing, just doing their thing. And I was cooking chicken. She's like, oh. She's like, I have chicken farms too. And I was like, oh oh what are you talking about and she's like well back where i'm at uh one of the one of these companies won't name any names they bought chickens from her they had underground uh chicken farms and i was like oh interesting that's fucking gnarly and so they

were underground chicken farms yeah define like they were like no shit chicken farms underground like large commodity chicken farms wow they were purchasing for them for in those countries and then also for the u.s um so you're like so i'm like at that time i was like oh that's interesting. And then the further I started becoming and more involved with athletes, I started thinking about that. And then I meet Paul, and me and Paul, we just hit it off, and he's a good dude, and he starts talking to me about all this stuff and how they plot after plot, and then they scale it, and then they let them always have fresh grass,

and then other chickens come right behind that then they're just it's just an ecosystem yeah and then i was i realized that the chicken that we are eating here in the u.s i'd probably say 50 to 60 percent of it comes on a can on a boat here in the u.s which is terrifying it takes about two weeks to get from one place to the other, let's say. And that's fucking terrifying. So when you get a chicken from Paul, you look at it, it's like the center of my hand here, it's baseball. It's a normal-sized hand from Paul's chickens. And then when you go and you see some of these places in the grocery store, there's like fucking gigantic chicken breasts and thighs. And you're like,

what kind of fucking Tyrannosaurus fucking Rex chicken was this fucker? Yeah. And that's what, that's the difference is there's a completely different skin complexion. There's different texture in the muscle structure of it. Um, and then you just get, and these plumped up gross chickens,

there's no flavor in it. It's just, it's just chicken. It's just commodity chicken served in cases of it. Yeah. And it's to me, I don't know. It's just fucking. So when you cook them, there's definitely a difference in. On texture, flavor.

Yeah. Uh, I mean, it's just really, you can call it love. You can call it what you want. It's just a farmer that just honestly gives two fucks about what's going on in the world and doesn't want to be held down by certain government agencies that put restrictions on you and doing that stuff. Yeah, that stuff is so scary to me. It gets deep. Chicken is like the scariest one. Yeah.

Even Paul Belichick, the coach of the Patriots. Yeah. Bill Belichick? Oh, yeah, my bad. Bill Belichick? Oh yeah, my bad. I'm not a good sports person to really talk about sports, but I do remember seeing him in a quote

and he was telling one of his players to stop eating chicken because it's a scared bird. He's like, that's a scared bird. Stop eating this fucking terrified animal because it's just making you a pussy. is what he was saying which i thought was amazing and it was borderline hysterical so well this is you know what and then you know further into your question you know like for me like as the uh like as a person that wants to raise chickens

and has raised chickens there's there's a way to build in flavor and other nutritional values into your eggs. Yeah, I was going to say, let's go about that. Let's tell people how to do that. Strong beaks on chickens is a really important thing. So you can feed them. When you put all these organic, vegetarian, I don't. To me, I'm like, there's certain labels that are required by companies to put that on their product but it's just a fucking a chicken is a chicken and what

you you can feed a fucking i was gonna say a very bad word but no you can say anything you want dude but you can feed it you can literally feed it shit and it'll figure out what to fucking do with it those animals are built differently yeah so like if you have a garden you can feed it shit, and it'll figure out what to fucking do with it. Those animals are built differently. Yeah. So, like, if you have a garden, you can feed it your vegetable scraps. And then the funny thing about eggs is that, or chickens, is that they can't taste capsaicin, so the heat and peppers. So if you feed them pepper puree, they'll be able to just digest it, turn their yolks bright red. Oh, wow. Like, I used to feed them chia seeds, goji berries. Like, you're building your own nutrition into your eggs.

You're actually getting what nature intended to do without manipulating the system. Wow, so you've done stuff like this with chickens? Yeah. And then when the eggs come out, do they taste different? Yeah. Oh, wow, that's rad. They're creamier. They're fuller when you cook them.

Just have a different color when you cook them when they're finished you feel better so giving them spicy things makes them taste better all the spicy things but it's just cool to fuck with yeah that's really cool I mean if you feed them fucking jizz and fucking cow feed

I don't know what's going to happen if the podcast ended right now we'd be good this is exactly where i like my podcast to go just there has to be at least one inappropriate comment that gets me a dm where it's like you're an abomination to podcasting oh god that guy can die you don't speak of chickens like that. If that was me, I would turn the volume up. Like, I'm ready to listen now. Just so you know, if you guys make that quote viral,

I will come for you. I will get my royalties. Dude, that clip needs to go on YouTube forever. Okay. So it's cool like as a – is that – and then what – and then, you know, so let's say take pigs now. What they're doing – I was going to start going into beef, but yeah, let's go to pigs for sure.

Well, pigs, if they're allowed to be pigs, they're like – they're just – they're trash cans. They love fucking eating. Yeah. I mean, but pigs are smart as fuck. So in Japan, what they're doing is they's how they're figuring out ways to get rid of all their extra food usage is to feed these pigs this extra food. And then they're actually getting a better product. I was going to say that sounds like a good thing because here in America, we're not feeding them extra food.

We're feeding them like dead animals and stuff. It's gnarly. Oh, I've seen those pools like firsthand. Yeah. And it's – dude, the smell, the smell is so wretched. And then – and so that's a segue into another conversation of like what happens when that hurricane comes down in the south and takes all that water into the atmosphere and then puts it down somewhere. It doesn't get evaporated yeah so then you get all that pig's blood and shit and piss in those ponds it gets into the tributaries it poisons the tributaries and people drink from that shit and then it's

it just again that's a segue into something and something and something and i remember a couple years ago i was reading that one of these states had declared a state of emergency because one of their main rivers was so, like, badly polluted that they couldn't serve water to people. Like, they needed help to fix it. And it was from, I'm sure it was a mixture of other things, but, like, involved in that was these large fucking feed farms. And in America, we're only known for growing corn and soy. Yeah. I know, that's gnarly in itself. And wheat.

Yeah. But even the wheat is so, like, toxic that it does nothing. It's literally killing us. Dude, there's studies right now where they're taking people's hair follicles and, like, and testing them and, like, people are becoming corn.

That's terrifying. Like, our DNA has, like, corn becoming corn. That's terrifying. Like our DNA has like corn in it. Which is fucked up because corn was like a way of life. has corn in it now. Corn jizz.

Not corn syrup. Corn jizz. There's a lot of things actually what is it disguised as corn in our food. Yeah.

So we could probably go over a few things for some people like xanthan gum is corn. Yep.. Yeah. So we could probably go over a few things for some people. Like xanthan gum is corn. Yep. It's a binder. It's what a lot of

fancy restaurants use as a natural adhesive. Yeah. That's how you make fancy things. Really? Yeah. Like what?

If you have a broken gravy, you can use that as a thickener. Let's say you don't know how to make a roux, which is just butter, flour, add a little liquid to it,

mix your gravy. Let's say you fuck that up for whatever reason. You just use a little xanthium gum. It just thickens right up. Woo! There we go. A little cooking tip for you guys.

Yeah, there's a lot of things that are very, very corn related. Corn, since it is kind of a grain, it is a grain, for a lot of people out, since it is kind of a grain, it is a grain. Yeah. For a lot of people out there who are trying to be gluten free or be, you know, trying to not have grains in their diet in general, basically creates that like leaky gut syndrome when you have grains. Inflamed vessels.

And a lot of people are like, well, what is leaky gut? And why would I want to be gluten-free? And why this? Why that? So in short, I'll tell you guys, basically, if you can just imagine your intestinal tubes, inside the intestinal tubes, you have these like little finger-like, what are these things called actually? Villi. They're called villi. So the villi basically absorbs your nutrients. And then that's how you really get your nutrients. They go through the intestine. The villi, the little fingers on the outside of the tubes,

absorb everything, and the more you have, the better nutrient uptake you have. So when you eat gluten and grains and different things that your body's not really used to eating, what it does is it causes damage here, and it kills the villi. So you get less and less villi. And then eventually, in certain spots, you kill so many of them that you put holes in your tubes, your intestinal tubes, and then what goes through your tubes? Shit.

So as shit comes through your body, it goes through those holes, it goes into your bloodstream, you get sick, you have a weakened immune system, and so forth. That's why people like to do these gluten-free diets. We just went from a super funny conversation to a super serious one,

but I have to give you guys some value at some points here so you need some takeaways from this yeah so that's like the big big thing with that and that's why i like people to understand like what's going on with your food so with that being said and because corn is such a cheap product like we just said that america is like basically wheat soy and. So when we go out to these restaurants, this is a big thing I really wanted to get into and segue into eventually, is a lot of people out there, they say that they can't reach their goals because of this, because of that, blah, blah, blah. But the reality is a lot of you guys out there, you eat out a lot. And that's a huge thing, right? So like eating out is a lot of you guys out there, you eat out a lot. And that's a huge thing, right? So eating out is a huge thing.

And it's really, really hard to get to your goals when you're eating out. Mainly because, one, you don't know how to order. Two, you don't know what you're actually getting in these places. And three, your willpower sucks because you're like, I'm going to get chicken and lettuce. And then all of a sudden your boy is like, I'm going to get chicken and lettuce. And then all of a sudden your boy is like, yo, let's get this, this, this, and this. And you're like, yeah.

You're right. You're right. You're right. And then all of a sudden your inhibitions are completely trashed. Let me get the grilled peppers. Let me get the corn. Let me get the cheese. Yeah, just put cheese on all that shit. Oh, yeah.

Throw a gawk on top. Sir, you just ordered cheese. Yeah, but put cheese on it. Double cheese. Double cheese. I'm going to pay extra. I know it's a shit. Oh, yeah. Throw a cock on that. Sir, you just ordered cheese. Yeah, but put cheese on it. Double cheese. I'm going to pay extra. I know it's a quarter. And guac.

Yeah, I was going to say put avocado on that cheese. 1.2 pounds of food dog gains. And sweeten it. Boom. Glaze that motherfucker. Yes. So, okay. yes so okay now in your experience and opinion when you go to a very expensive restaurant and when you go to a cheap restaurant what are the differences quality of product um is it always

like that or is sometimes it's just the quality of the chef and he's making that same shit from costco tastes amazing well that's also a thing too. I mean, it all boils down to money. I mean, everything does, right? But, like, the quality of the chef would be just as the quality of the trainer. You have really great trainers. Then you have really shitty trainers. And then you have, like, really great chefs. You have the middle of the road.

And then you have fucking just shitty ones that are just making do. And then you have the big corporate systems like that provide you with all of these things and you know it as a chef in a restaurant your job is to cut costs where you can and stay within 28 that's what i was that's what i was gonna say yeah it's like money is king. So I read some studies where it was like 80% of restaurants that say they use olive oil in their food is actually an olive oil, canola oil mixture. Correct. And you say yes? Yeah, because that's just a blend of oil.

Have you ever been to a restaurant where it was just straight up olive oil or it was straight up coconut oil or whatever? I had the opportunity a few weeks ago to eat at someone that I look up to very much at a restaurant in Nashville. And they use oils, but they're making everything in-house. So that would be ideal if in a perfect world that a restaurant like that would be where I'd want to spend my money at. Don't get me wrong. Restaurants are restaurants. This one right here probably serves amazing food. I saw the chef walk out. He looks like he knows what he's fucking doing.

I still eat him, but it's cool. He looked like he knew what he was doing. Was there a certain outfit that says that he looks like he knows what he's doing? He gave me the glare. I was like, I'll eat you, motherfucker. Don't look at me like that. But there's a rivalry between chefs that work in restaurants and private chefs because you're it's kitchen life you're if you're in a restaurant you're it's 10 o'clock and he's he's

probably been there since like eight and he probably got off at midnight yeah i know that does seem like a rough job at times but yeah so you know again it just it all depends on the usage and what you're doing because certain olive oils are good finisher oils. Certain blend oils you need for cooking because of smoke point and what you're doing and the dish you're making. So it just varies. Like I think that the world has become very confused because of meal prep and then the people that do meal prep and the lack of understanding and knowledge within the confines of a kitchen it's like i worked for chefs because i needed to learn what was going on like i didn't know how to cook but i had to wash dishes i had to fucking pay my due that like everything meant something every pan meant something and then when i was cooking they had to teach me like

don't do this because if you do this you're gonna break a sauce if you do this you're gonna fuck the temp up on this pork chop and you're gonna fuck everybody else up so when we put in the window and chef when he calls for it and then we put in the window your timing's off which then means you fucked me which means that i'm now pissed at you because you suck balls and you're fucking up everything and so everything gets pushed down and then with meal prep came along everyone had an opinion about food or diet or the latest and greatest and what they were doing and they're just like grabbing shit off the shelf and then they're just like yeah i use olive oil i use blend oil i use grapeseed oil i use ghee dude and that shit pisses me off too because they'll just put on the label olive oil right it is they don't say like olive oil blend yeah you know what i mean

and they can get away with that because there's no evaluation right which i can't stand and i feel like meal prep actually is like the potentially some of the worst quality foods you're gonna get yeah yeah even if they market that it's like the best quality food i feel like meal prep companies are trying to make more money than restaurants most of the time i I mean they're really going – They're going – and that's the thing is you get – you're not making – you're not doing jack shit to the fitness world if you're all fucking buying the same goddamn meat from fucking Cisco or Costco on a Sunday. It doesn't make any difference. Like if you're just buying cases of fucking chicken, like what impact did you have on someone's – yeah, no shit. If they cut down their portion size, they're going to lose weight.

If you ate enough fucking Snickers bars in the day, you'd lose fucking weight doing that shit too. So when people came up with meal prep, it was a way to make a lot of these people feel important enough to get income coming into their lives. And culinary students students which really pissed me the fuck off don't let me get too too off on this tangent because sometimes i'll lose my mind then your listeners will be like fuck this kid no i'm good let's go let's go kids in culinary school became very like i did a little bit of culinary school and i realized that i was just not good in school so i had to work in the industry and so that's what i did culinary culinary students

nowadays what they don't understand is they're going to spend eighty thousand dollars to get a fucking degree and then to come here and be told that you're going to fucking wash dishes for fucking minimum wage how the fuck is a kid gonna actually be able to pay off that loan in a matter of time he won't he'll He'll be ready. He's already fucked. Dude, there's so many careers that are like that right now. Yeah. And I feel really, really bad. But, I mean, thankfully for me for college, I got a full scholarship because,

I don't know if you know, I trained with the Olympic team for bobsled and skeleton. That was my deal back in the day. Sick. So I lived in Utah and I got free schooling. But, I mean, shit, a lot of the stuff that i learned is like super geeked out stuff that i can't even really regurgitate on this podcast because people just fall asleep like i don't want to talk about like every single thing that's happening in your body as you digest food and yeah it's just like all the nerdy stuff all the coolest shit that i've learned has been people that are sitting across

from me like right now yeah um on the podcast like my experience through business and just real world experience like I can't I have to learn from YouTube and fucking real world like I have to see with my eyes dude fucking YouTube is like college now I mean you can get college courses on it yeah you can get a master's degree in YouTube for sure on anything like I'm like all, bitch, I learned how to basket weave and that shit is tight. You ever met a motherfucker with a beard that can basket weave? No.

I just made an egg basket player. In one day, I learned how to weave, I learned how to make the purpose steak, and I can do my own taxes. I did myself a sweatshirt, too, because I was bored. And I have a whole itinerary for my next trip. Like all these great – yeah, travel agent as well.

Oh, yeah. There's everything you can do on fucking YouTube. It's the greatest thing ever. Crazy. Okay. So it's important for people to know these things about when they eat out and the things that they can expect when it comes to coming to a restaurant is there certain things that you can point out that would be like advantageous to everybody when they eat out like certain things to ask for that give them better quality food like i've heard people say things like you if you tell them that

you have celiac disease or you're like you're gluten-free like sometimes they'll cook on a different pan for you or, um, you know, here's the thing. I bet that that never happens. They're probably like, Oh yeah, sure. And then they fucking jizz on it.

You know what happens when you send a fucking ticket with modifications to a young line cook that is balls deep in a 200 cover night, he's going to look at that ticket. He's going to look at the server and be like, fuck you, you fucking dick. And he's going to look at that food and be like, fuck out of my window. Like, and you, you fucking dick. And he's going to look at that food and be like, fuck out of my window.

That's what I always thought. Most great restaurants, if they're getting, like, really premium ingredients, they'll label it. They'll put it up on the board and they'll tell you. You know, if you're just, you know, if you're going to go to, my best advice is that if you're going to go to a restaurant and you're going to take a date, your girl, your wife, your husband,

whatever. Okay. This is good. If you're going to go out and eat, go the fuck out and eat. Like find, find a restaurant that you, that you're going to drop 120 bucks on.

Enjoy yourself. Enjoy the night. Yeah. And just don't, just don't like if we get out of this chipotle mindset better things will start happening like what is the chipotle mindset like it's like meat because i've heard you bring up chipotle a few times now and i'm like i wonder what he wants to say about chipotle it's just like i get it it's just it's very cheap to get

a shit ton of rice some protein some vegetables and you're just like crushing you know like gains you know yeah it's just gain central you know what i'm saying but it but what people don't understand is when you are having that much people come through the door if you think about how many chickens you're actually like breaking down like for steak right like most people don't realize that there's one cut of tri-tip or something on a cow so that means that you to feed like if you're at a barbecue and you have six tri-tips you just fucking took down like eight cows just to get that now what then like a cow yields 60 ground beef was like what happened to all the other ground beef when people start thinking about shit like that, then the Chipotle generation will kind of go away.

Where it won't just be like, you can't get healthy food fast. Unless you eat fucking greens. Just make that shit at home. You'll save yourself money. Somebody was telling me recently how there's really only like two meat companies in the whole world. It's like Cisco and one other one. They just buy all these small things. two meat companies like in the whole world it's like cisco and like one other one yeah they just it's they just buy all these like small things like in montana where the people that i use are

in austin you know they're they're in control of everything and there's other smaller meat companies out there but it's very hard to manage i mean like it's it's a full-time job it's ranching yeah and then if you need to get certified to cross state lines, that's a $50,000 stamp. Oh, wow. Yeah. And there's and that segues into some other shit about how they control that in itself. And they can be paid off. Yeah. Right. The food system is I mean, I don't care what anybody says. The food system here in America is fucking broken. And if people want to say, no, it's the best thing ever. I'd be like, fuck you. You're full of of shit you don't know what the fuck you're talking about like yeah people will come in and they'll feed you the song and dance and that's cool but

when you actually like start layering back the onion like it's fucked up like it seems super fucked up i mean it's fucked up enough where like half of netflix is fucking food documentaries but then you're like and then and then there and then there's some documentaries that are well done and I get where they're coming from. But then it's kind of like, oh, they steer you in their point of view. Like in vegan – I don't think there's anything wrong with people that want to eat fucking vegetables. Cool.

Good on you. Like if I can't get shit from Montana, I typically just like to eat vegetables myself. But no. I think vegetables are just as fucked as meat are. Oh, yeah. They are. Yeah. They have like their – I mean it's not like the same.

It's different. But it's on that same level. I mean. But they have the same amount of asterisks next to every single one of them. And I tell people, if you go to Target to get, next time you're in Target and you go down to get food from Target, look at the point of origin where the vegetables and fruit are coming from. And it's either going to say Mexico, Chile, Venezuela, or somewhere else, not grown here. And people are like, oh, well, it's still organic. And they'll have an organic sticker on it.

Someone want to tell me who the fuck regulated an organic fucking banana out of Venezuela? Yeah. Please tell me that. In 2010, I think there was only three people in the United States that were able to certify something organic. And then they got busted because they were fucking taking bribes from the Chinese government. That's what I was going to ask you was what do you think about organic? I think it's fucking stupid. I think it's a sticker that everybody wants to see just like gluten-free.

When you have to put a gluten-free sticker on fucking carnitas and a little bag at a Cisco, the system is broken. Like that means that we don't know what the fuck gluten is. Which if you – goddammit, gluten. I know. It's gnarly. Like I – sometimes I'll be in the grocery store and I have all these things going through my head. I'm like, all right, well, I want to get pasture-raised eggs. I want this.

I want this kind of meat. I want this. And then all of a sudden I'll see something on sale and I'm like, you know what? Fuck it. It's all the same. I'm just going to get this. You know what I mean? And I'm just like, am I right?

Am I wrong? You're just being human. Yeah. You're doing what everyone should do. But you've been to these farms. Is there, at this point in your life, as a chef and with all of your experience and having been to some of these farms, what are the absolute things that are non-negotiable for you now? Let's say you go to the grocery store right now.

You have no food in your house. You're like this rapper's fridge that you're talking about in New York. Right? Yeah. You got nothing. You got a bag of drugs in your hand bag of acid molly what are you gonna do but let's say the bag is only weed so you're gonna go home and you're gonna have the munchies right what do we have in the fridge or not what do we have in the fridge? Not what do we have, but like you're going to go buy it. You're in the right frame of mind. The drugs haven't kicked in yet. You're going to stock this fridge for the week.

Okay. What are we thinking about in terms of quality? I'd honestly probably just get a lot of greens and vegetables. But what are you looking for when you go buy them? All the jokes aside, are you looking for organic? Are you looking for grass-fed? What are you looking for? I definitely will.

So what people don't know, you can actually go to Grocery Outlet and they sell 100% grass-fed beef. Grocery Outlet? Like the one that we have here in California? Yeah. The really cheap one? Yeah. For those of you who don't know grocery outlet is like it's like it's almost

like the dollar store of grocery stores it's true it's like going to fucking tarjay man like it's a rabbit hole of things that you could find to buy it really is yeah um but to answer your question i won't buy any of the any of the larger like the main label, like the prepackaged broccoli or like broccoli and fucking cauliflower. I'll stay away from that shit. I'll just get, I'll just make sure I stick to the vegetables and greens that are actually outside in the fresh produce section. I'll do a bunch of that stuff. I've read a few things where sometimes the potatoes. Yeah.

A lot of fingerling potatoes um sweet potatoes i mean yeah lots of fruits but you're not looking for anything specific guideline wise no i'm just going it doesn't have to be like only made in mexico or like you don't really care about that stuff as much pretty much i'd say that almost like 80 of it all comes from a different point of origin other than here in this country because like like I said, we're only growing fucking corn and soy. Yeah. Apples. And you can only get those certain things that are native to that specific state there.

I mean, it's very rare that you can get it. Or in San Diego, where I'm at, it's specialty produce. It carries a really great selection of no-shit farm-to-table stuff. Oh, that's cool. So I'll go shop there. It's easy. But for yourself, the meat too, are you trying to get it from these places from out west? Yeah.

If I'm in San Diego, there's a couple great farms. They're mostly primal pastures. I know I'm not trying to fucking slob his knob or anything like that, but I know him as a friend. Once I meet you, I'm very loyal to that particular particular thing and i don't really like to branch off so like i know he's great for chicken and some beef and then that's what i'll buy from him and then bison will be from you know rome ranch turkey same thing then i'll just i'll buy it like i have to buy stuff by like the of pounds. Oh, thousands of pounds. Because I have to have a selection of stuff at all times.

So I'll just pick and choose from all that. But just me as a human, I'm stoned. I need to get something to eat. I'll just get stuff to make a salad or something. I can make my own kale chips. It's fucking kale. You throw it in the oven for 10 minutes and it fucking dries out. Yeah.

I think it's interesting how a lot of these chips and all these things have all these different preservatives. Like, what is the reason for preservatives? I know it keeps it on the shelf a little bit longer, but, like, is there any reason why we have to have this in our food? No. Just ways to get money. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's my personal opinion like couldn't you just bake kale chips put them in a bag that's sealed and there's no air going into it and it

would still last just as long anyway yeah i mean you can the thing is in america like we've gotten lazy like we can make our own chips it's just the process of making our own fucking chips that you don't want to do it yeah literally all it is is blend oil you get up to certain temp and you just drop them in there and just get fucking corn tortilla chips and just fucking drop them in there. If you want to get your own masa and get weird with it, you can do that shit. You want to kettle cook them, start a fire, get a fucking pot, let that shit boil and drop them in there. You got to let your potatoes get the starch out of them. You got to put them in an ice bath, but those potato chips, it's just the painstaking process of doing it.

I just feel like when they start adding all these things isn't that more expensive i mean yeah just anytime you see the back the nutrition label that's why i fucking hate meal prep shit and i owned a meal prep company and it really drove i didn't want to do any sort of fucking thing that would the world tells you you got to do this and i was like i ain't fucking doing that shit because you know what you can't measure how many tablespoons and grams that conversions into after you cook the shit off because they're like oh well the government says you need a nutrition label or nutrition facts and i'm like okay well david says i don't there's that one wait so what are you saying if i have a pound of how can you how can you measure caloric intake in something when everyone is diverse and different? And it takes a million dollars roughly to take one ingredient, send it to a lab, get tested, and get that actual value out of it.

It costs that much? Yeah. Jesus. so it takes it costs that much yeah jesus so when you see so when you when we go into a place and it says this is this amount of calories like that's a estimate of what they think it is but everyone is different and you only digest you can only digest calories through your small intestine and you can only get that sample through shit so you know like you just and and these people at home that are just like going online and like you know nutritionfaglabel.com and they're just like my fitness pal yeah i'm like there's no like

i don't believe in that because there's there's no true way of testing that unless you're like a big time ad like yourself you've been in those tanks with those companies they can do that shit but as a meal prep company or a restaurant, we're really going to drop that amount of money to actually get that done. And each ingredient has to be done differently. Like they cannot be together. A lot of people ask the question of should I measure my calories? Let's say you're going to weigh the chicken. Should I do it raw or should I do it cooked?

What's your opinion on that? Your yield would be the cooked version. Yeah, the cooked version, right? But then, i see like some of that stuff i'm just kind of like i don't know i i'm i've been around a lot of the like especially in crossfit because of like because josh and rich and those dudes those dudes just like they're just fucking bros you know like if they eat they want to eat and then they fucking they got to run more because they're getting too thick on the sides they go run more yeah you know and i'm like and

that's it you gotta you gotta run longer distances burn more calories or whatever and then you're on short distance more explosives so i tell people like you might get shaped just go run they're like that hurts no shit yeah like measuring your chicken and your broccoli to me is like i just think it is a waste of time because it's like just eat it and when your stomach says please don't eat anymore don't say stomach. Say, I'm done. Yeah. And come back to it. Now you have leftovers.

Dude, I have – I mean I try to tell people the same all the time. It's like just – there are certain things you know are going to fuck you up. Like huge amounts of carbohydrates and stuff like that. Like just don't fucking do it. And then like you're always going to have that one day where like yesterday for some reason, dude, I was on a bender. Like I needed to eat everything. Like I ate so much food. But I feel great today.

You know what I mean? Whereas most people would probably be all fucked up. Because I don't really eat very many carbohydrates. I usually tend to eat a little bit before I work out. And then I'll eat a whole bunch after I work out. And then I try not to eat any the rest of the day. Because for me, I get paid to be like basically fucking naked on instagram like great job that works that works well for you that works good for me like that's that's the style

that's worked best for me and people always ask me how do you look like that all year round all the time well this is what i found that works for me yeah um and i try not to deviate too much from that but i'm not i'm not nearly as anal about it as people would imagine like yeah i have the days where i feel like i need to fuck up everything and i do it and then i for the most part like actually not even for the most part i never ever measure my food like ever like i i just eat what i think is appropriate for myself at the time and i eat till i'm full and i'll i'll eat every two hours or i'll eat every seven hours it just kind of depends on how the day is going and yeah i think if you stress about it it's almost worse than if you're on point all the time yeah because stress is oh that's one of the number one well that's why you know i don't know i just, just how your mindset is, I wish there was more people out there that took,

because it becomes this, like, serious fucking thing that they're caught up in. Yeah. And you're just like, dude, if you're just hungry, just fucking eat, motherfucker. I don't know what snacks you should eat. Fucking do some raisins. Go eat raisins. I don't know. Cool.

Go fucking squat later. You want to get big? Fucking squat. Well, I think a lot of people, too. Like, they're not Rich or Josh. Yeah. And when we say these people's names, like Rich Froning or Josh Bridges, but, like, and they're big CrossFit athletes, if you don't know that for any reason. But they're working out so much that it doesn't even really matter.

And I think a lot of people are listening to their training programs and whatever, and they're trying to work out as much as them, and they're worried about their diet really matter. Yeah. And I think a lot of people are listening to their training programs and whatever and they're trying to work out as much as them and they're worried about their diet too. Yeah. And in reality,

they're probably still not even eating enough. Oh, yeah. So even if you ate a bunch of fucked up shit, your body needs all the calories from that fucked up shit.

Like, Rich doesn't actually eat all that healthy. No, he doesn't. Dude, I love them so... Those dudes, just God bless their soul because they're so fucking awesome. I was there one day.

Josh literally was like – I was slow. I had just met him and I didn't have food for him. And he was like, all right, well, I'm just going to walk down the street and I'm just going to go grab a burrito. And I was like, okay. And he literally walks down the street with – Pick your mic up. Yeah, there you go. He literally walks down the street and he buys a carne asada burrito and he walks up and he just like he's just chilling

eating his burrito doing his thing and he's like i'm gonna go squat now and he goes out and he prs his squat he had like a like 400 pound squat or something like that yeah like god bless your soul yeah you know rich rich will sit there and eat fucking chick-fil-a and then he'll go do like a chipper workout and beat everybody and then have a glass of milk and potato bread you know and you're like yeah i've seen um my one of my old roommates kenny leverage he was like dude i was at the crossfit games and he's like rich was eating chick-fil-a and a giant monster energy drink and i was like he said he looked down at his sweet potatoes and chicken and he was like fuck my life like he's grilled chicken and sweet potatoes and broccoli

and all this stuff and everyone and you know what and then um it's the meal prep thing became very like huge in crossfit you know everyone was the next fucking meal prep star and like but then you put them for me i was like i was just like – I was cooking for all these athletes and everyone was like, Kenny was – oh, yeah, sweet potatoes, broccoli, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, no. Like we're going to make fucking Mexican pizzas tonight. And they're like, what? I'm like, yeah. It's called learning how to cook and just use good meat.

Like these guys just – when you're at that caliber of you guys, you're just machines. You just need something in there. If you didn't do anything for that whole day, you just survived and just lived, you'd burn like 3,000 calories, 3,500 calories just because of what you do on a daily basis. Yeah. I wish I would have been in a restaurant with a CrossFit athlete and they busted out a freaking scale to measure out what the fuck they're i would oh my god i would have lost my fucking mind i would no there's people doing that on the reg now like

all the time i don't just to me that's you're not living just that's not i don't think that's conducive to live a life i mean like if you if you think it's the magic pill for you cool but like you're in public and you're at a restaurant. And whether it's fucking P.F. Chang's or Friday's, it's still, like, is it really that important? You're that dialed in that you need to not get this. Just order a fucking protein burger, man. But, dude, there's, yeah, I mean, that's, like, equally as, like, being rich as fuck and not having any friends. True story. You know what I mean, that's like equally as like being rich as fuck and not having any friends. True story.

You know what I mean? Like, and not having any money, not having anybody to spend your money on and like do cool shit with. You know what I mean? Like, once you get to that point, because I've been there. Like, the reason I'm bringing this up is because I've been there. It's like, I've been so paranoid about food and so paranoid about like every single thing that's gone on my body where like i couldn't i would go out to eat with my friends like i would have no problem going out with them but then i wouldn't even order anything i'll just be like yeah i'm just here to chill you know what i mean and like and and then no matter how like unoffensive you think it is like

it's very offensive to them you know what i mean they're just like dude fucking order something and then it gets to the point where people go out and they just don't hit you up they're just like you're fucking weird he's fucking weird like yeah i don't know any girls for him to go out with because he's weird and i don't want to recommend it so now you're not getting laid so now your testosterone's lower you're like not eating your performance starts going down you don't even want to jerk off anymore because you're so sad so like now all of a sudden your whole life is a spiral up in a ball're only fun you're having is when you're in the gym. So now all you have is the bag of drugs in your hand. Daydreaming about a cow next to a river in Montana.

They're my friends. They won't judge me. So that's where you get at when you have the measuring at the table. Go ahead, kids. I dare you to measure. When I end up somewhere fucked up, that's where you'll be. You'll name a cow Cindy, all right? But you might have a song on the radio, so there is that.

Kanye West does visit Montana. Does he? Yeah. Oh, right. Good on him. Yeah. Oh. Oh. does he yeah oh right good on good on him oh oh he goes there for inspiration oh man that's good yeah that's yeah food is you know and again that's a kind of like going back to when i was talking about culinary students

everyone's ambition is so fucking high. Especially here in California. Yeah, but it's a trade. And you cannot do your job or run a successful business or anything without just getting the fucking shit beat out of you for however long it takes. Dude, that's my life too, for sure. And we were talking about this earlier. Dude, I drove my life too, for sure. And we were talking about this earlier. Dude, I drove a fucking Prius for a long time. I know.

I'm excited to hear this part of your story, the struggle. You know, I had working for those people in Celebs. I was new to that market, and it was a free-for-all. And I was – I grew up here in California. I grew up in San Bernardino, Colton. Don't want to get offended. The fucking IE motherfuckers. I grew up in New Jersey.

Tight. Same thing. But like I was a sneaker head. You know, I, I don't know. I was just a California kid coming up in the mid nineties. It was just, it was how we were. So when I would, I'd wear joggers and i wanted dope kicks yeah and so i was getting around rappers and they thought i was like trying to be like them

and i was like no man like i just like sneakers bro and so every person in that environment was like like oh good you know hire dave he's cool he's this but then when it came to actually like i'm a chef i don't want to be your fucking security i don't want to be your fucking driver i don't want to sit in the studio for our fucking hours on end just with my thumb up my ass watching you dipshits fucking drink and do drugs all fucking night like sorry that's just not my thing but there was no chefs in la at the time so i was getting taught i was going from like job to job to job it was like i mean i was really like hustling my fucking ass off but i had nobody really to help me bring it all into one business so at the end of the day when the smoke cleared

i was just like left there with my fucking thumb in my ass and i was like oh shit like i was living a good life you know but i was also parts of their life carried over on a mind like throwing wads of cash into a club in vegas with a dollar gun just because I'd never done that before. Yeah. Why not, right? Yeah. And then when I was like, oh, shit, I can't even get gas. Like, oh, fuck.

This is not good. And then I had the opportunity to go to do some food stuff for uh a brand at the at delmar fairgrounds and they they definitely helped catapult me into doing meal prep or get introduced to these athletes and that's what i was doing but when i first went out to arizona i was sleeping in my prius and it was like winter time in arizona and desert it gets pretty cold and i was just like ah you know it is what it is you know you suck it up and you survive and i got to a point you know it's like car apartment this stuff but again i didn't have the business know-how to bring it all together so i was like just running and gunning for a handful of years which was fucking pretty rough and then i needed an investor for a business that

i had and i got the investor and he fucking tanked it four months oh yeah fucking talking and it was because i let i brought him in and they had their own ambition as to what they thought the business should be and i was like well you know just turn this out you get two alphas in a room only you realize that one's not an alpha. He's just a fucking bitch. And you're just like, hey, guy, if I ever see you, it's fight on sight. That's the sad thing is I'm like super fortunate with my scenario, with all of my stuff. I had an investor that literally had my best interest at hand.

He had like all his own money. Like he just genuinely wanted to help me. And it seemed like a too good of a scenario. too good to be true type of scenario and it actually played out like he actually was that dude like good for you like i i made my own money on the side and he was like you can keep it and like never took any of that uh like when i when i when i branched chalk out to like the online world and all that stuff and he lets me keep all that um and then we we split the gym i'm 70 owner he's 30 and uh yeah like if he really wanted to he could because of how much i love this guy if he was like yeah i want you know 30 of these other things too i'd be like i would probably say okay because like

he changed my life. But he does his own thing and he's just like, cool, I paid him back his money and fuck, dude, I got very, very lucky. But for the majority of people out there

who are going out in the business with people, they don't have your best interest at hand. No. The business world is... They actually know before they even go into it, they're like,

all right, I'm going to do this. Oh, yeah. And at some point, I'm going to do this. And I all right i'm gonna do this oh yeah and at some point i'm gonna do this and like i'm gonna write out these contracts that basically say at some point that your thumb's gonna be deep in your ass yep and that's exactly what happened to me and you know what i did a handshake deal with him and then when i when i got sued by him for his investment money it was fucking i was like the attorney was like did you read any of this? And I was like, well, obviously the fuck not, because I'm sitting here looking at you wanting to fucking beat the living fuck out of that cocksucking piece of shit.

Yeah, and you can't even beat him up because then he gets sued again. Yep. It's so fucked up. It's so fucked up. And you know, and I've talked to culinary students, and I'm like, I go into a kitchen with culinary students, and I'm like, who wants to own their own restaurant own their restaurant be a class of 30 you know 28 will raise their hand i'm like get the fuck out all of you whoever raised your hand get the fuck out because i don't want to talk to you i'm like oh you know what the fuck and i look at the two i'm like whatever you're doing right now get the fuck out

of this classroom go work in the kitchen and in 10 years from now find the right person the right chef and they will get you your restaurant do not deviate from that plan don't shy away from that plan you just go work and good things will happen if you're actually worth the shit in life good things will come to you i just needed there was a lot of things for me that needed to happen at a necessity to live and i and that was because i was so focused on working and working and working that i didn't take the time to learn the business side of it. So I had those encounters of pieces of shit and it was like, but I can sit there and talk all this shit.

But when I explained to these two that are in the room, I'm like, ultimately this is on you. Huge. I chose to have this fucking piece of shit in my life. So it's on me. Like my failure is on me. I got, do i want to pass the buck of course is there other circumstances that happened yes but fuck it like i gotta own it yeah and i'm i'm back at square one now and if you run a business you know you'll fail once or twice oh

yeah for sure and you just gotta uh you know i tell you know culinary students again i'm like you have to get used to perseverance. If you're weak-minded in any way, don't do business. Because when you fail, you'll go fucking work a desk job somewhere. And that's cool. There's nothing wrong with that. But if you're trying to do business and you are not used to failing and cannot get past that obstacle, business is not for you.

I think it's fine to have a couple negative thoughts in your mind here and there. Like everyone's going to have a few, but you got to just like really just, you got to, you got to turn that shit out. Yeah. You got to throw it back. It'll eat you like a fucking cancer, man. Yeah. I mean, you will, I mean, business is rough.

I mean like, and I speak from experience and saying like, I've sat there contemplated like living and dying because it sucks so bad. Cause you're like, if you don't have your parents to fall back onto, you're really out there in no man's land. And going back to your parents as an adult, it's a hard pill to swallow. Yeah. Because they want the best for you and they don't understand. I say 50% understand and 50% parents don't understand. The ones that don't understand, you're just tucking your tail between your legs and be like i need a place to stay because like

right now i'm just in a bad spot they think you're on drugs and meth and shit dude and california is a rough place too like you grow up thinking like you need x amount of dollars to live and if you get to that you're going to be balling and they're like no dude like the people who are balling in california are making like millions of dollars. And there's like people, there's like a lot of people making that kind of money around here. It's nuts, especially where we're at right now. We're in Newport beach right now, like outside this coffee shop, like everybody walking by is balling out of control. Oh yeah.

There's seven digits or more. Yeah. And that's the, you know, and so then, you know know for me knowing the chef world the kids working two three jobs just to make ends meet to pay rent for like with a roommate for fourteen hundred dollars yeah you know maybe well newport probably more than that you know like dude like don't yeah you don't do that to yourself if like don't do meal prep like people like want a shortcut and they want to do meal prep like you're no better than anyone else like i don't give a shit what anybody says like you want to see how they can really cook ask them to do a sauce and if they can make the sauce from scratch

then it's like okay yeah this guy can do some shit oh that's cool yeah and that's and that's when you interview someone in a kitchen usually have them cook an egg really yeah because there's like 2 000 ways to cook an egg what's the best way to cook an egg for the listeners? I just scramble that shit. Waffle House cheesy eggs is fucking God's gift to human beings. Not too many people in California experience Waffle House, but like cheesy eggs from Waffle House is clutch. It's just butter, eggs, and cheese on top. An overabundance of cheese

but it makes it amazing yeah cheese is cheese is all time california throw a fucking avocado on it yeah yeah i might as well yeah avocados are a fucked up thing right now too in california i don't know if you've heard this one ah i have heard something about avocados but what is remind me so they so like almonds pomegranates avocados are roughly one tree is like almost a million gallons to like hydrate a year whoa yeah so now they're starting to cut down all these fucking trees because there's not there's california's in a drought i mean like yes there was rain for a month straight woohoo it still hasn't solved the equation of what happened the past 50 years you know like there's underground wells that are just no longer have water anymore

so they're so avocados right now are being outsourced in mexico obviously but yeah which nothing good comes from mexico really basically is what you're trying to say no there's good things that come in but we're we're bringing western philosophy music i can't even think of what. What band do I know from Mexico? Don't you hurt TJ. Don't you hurt TJ. I'll fucking get mad. Anytime a culture or civilization adopts our Western philosophy, we fuck it up.

And you're starting to see type 2 diabetics and all these other fucked up things that we have here in other countries because they want taco bell kfc wendy's and all this other shit and it's like okay dude the low-fat diet was in in terms of history of nutrition yeah the biggest like epidemic of all of all diet trends of all time. Statistically speaking, as soon as they went low-fat, even commercials on TV, no one watches TV anymore, but it'd be like you would see a random milk commercial, and it would just be like, drink milk. And it was no brand. It would just say milk.

Or it would say something about cheese or something. And that was basically the government trying to push certain foods onto people to get rid of an abundance of whatever they had at the time. Yeah. And then a low-fat diet was something that was getting marketed all the time. And as soon as people started eating low-fat, they were in a caloric deficit at all times. So they were, like, getting really hungry, and people started consuming more sugar than ever.

Yeah. So then we went into this enormous epidemic of just obesity. And you can look it up online. You guys can Google low-fat diet epidemic in America, and it literally made everybody fat as fuck. Yeah. In the mid – that was what, mid-'90s? Yeah. No.

It was earlier than that, right? It was like early-'90s. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, and that's – turn that, and then guess what happens? Fast forward, and you're like, oh, no, low-fat oh no low fat is bad yeah fat is good yeah now fat's good but you can't get anybody to like wrap their head around that now so like especially for me everybody that i have coming in who like they want to change their lives i'm like you need to eat this and this and this and like but if i eat

that like they just won't do it like they have such a hard time wrapping their head around it there's so many things that will plague people. I almost feel like fat, carbs, and protein just needs different names. Yeah. Because you think of fat, and you're like, fuck, I'm going to be fat. Like, carbs is a good word. Protein is a good word. Like, we should just change fat to, like, I don't know, fucking something.

I'm like. Drugs. Powdered. Powdered drugs. So you're going to have 30 grams of protein, 20 grams of carbs, and 6 grams of cocaine. That is the recipe for success. If you do this, you will be on that mountain of sunshine in Montana. Trust me. 6 grams of cocaine sounds a lot better than 6 grams of cocaine.

I'm going to go right now! Oh, man. Jesus. Everyone out there, don't do that. We must say that. Do not do that. So everybody listening to this show right now is, they're looking for, I'm sure they love your story.

I'm sure they love our banter back and forth as they always do. The biggest things that I want them to take home is basically quality of food and the way that you've talked about it and some of these different farms that they should probably be reaching out to. Yeah. Like the private farms, which I think is really cool. A lot of times I buy my stuff from U.S. Wellness Meats. Do you know who this is? They have like a small farm.

I forget where it is, but I buy a lot of meat from there. But it's definitely – it's not outrageously expensive to buy from these smaller farms. Yeah. But I do think it's worth it. The meat does taste a lot better. I think it's important that people understand what they're getting when they go to these restaurants and what to expect. And I think I like when you said, like, if you're going to go to like maybe spout out some of your favorite cooking tips for some people. It would be really cool right now.

Like let's go over like maybe your favorite way to cook a steak. Favorite way to cook a piece of chicken, an egg, and your favorite cooking oils that go with them. Okay. How about that? First thing with cooking, if you can, is getting a cast iron skillet. Boom. Equipment. I like that.

Equipment. Let's talk about equipment. We'll go down the line. Yeah. So you need a cast iron skillet if you can get it. But when you get a cast iron skillet, you want to look for the ones that have no lead in it. Lead is a big thing. Ooh.

Yeah. Sometimes you can actually go to Marshall's and find really good cooking equipment. What about, like, the Le Creuset brand? Yeah, that's amazing. But they have, like, a coating over them, right? So they're not – Those are fine. That's fine?

Okay. Yeah. coating over them right so they're not those are those are fine that's fine okay yeah because i've always been told that like this the true like 100 cast iron like soaks up some of the yeah it always retains flavor yeah and there's a way to clean them with but i heard the lay crusade ones don't soak up the flavor because they have a layer that coating the coating liner coating yeah yeah they're they're mostly for like slow roasting stuff okay so they're i mean that that's that's why if you just like searing and stuff like that yeah you want all that fat and that cast iron because that's just going to layer itself yeah make it taste even better um and you don't really clean them really right you kind of yeah you'd say like the way to do it is like you have to use salt water and just

kind of like gently like wash it around and clean it out with a green scrubby salt water and raw salt just scrub it and then you just use water. And then you just oil and then throw it in the oven for like 30 minutes at like 350 and just let it set, and then it's good again. Okay. Okay, so we've got cast iron pans. Yeah. And then for a steak, if you get like a really thin sample size steak that you'll get.

Like a carne asada. Like a carne asada you want to cook over fire okay just you can throw it right on the wood like a lot of people don't know that but you can just throw it right on the on the wood cooking cook it that way what do you mean the wood like what does that mean so like if we're having a bonfire right here and we throw some mesquite down there we'll i'll let the mesquite get like white hot it'll still be intact i'll just throw the meat right on top of it okay and then i'll take it just uh probably like five minutes on both sides pull it off but if you just don't if you don't have that you want to throw it on a grill you're looking i like carne asada to be a little

bit like done at the ends and then start to get a little bit more like rare towards the center if depending on what you get and so i'll throw it out on the grill for like five or so minutes. One side, flip it over, do that. Let it rest on something so it's not sitting in its own liquid. You don't want that because the meat's just like loosened up. You want it to tighten back up. And I like going to barbecue islands and seeing all the different brands and stuff. I've been using a brand called Grill Your Ass Off, veteran-owned company.

Makes some really cool spices. They're the one called Spice then let's see what they have i'll just get like a couple rubs blending together just make my own just um what about like a big like two inch like new york strip like what would you do with that cast iron i use lard to cook my stuff so i typically don't want to use oils i use lard and then that sits in there um biggest thing with steaks is people are afraid of salt because they don't want to over salt it but when you have like a huge thick nice like new york steak i mean you have a huge layer to get to if you're like i'm trying to think of the best way to say it there's the difference i mean like you're trying to get to the center with the salt. So you can be liberal as shit with it and you'll be fine.

But you always got to finish it before, during, and after. That's why you season. I don't like using black pepper in the beginning. I like to use it in the middle and the end because I think you get a better flavor from it. Usually, I think it tends to be a little bit more bitter when you cook, when you add it to the first steps of the cooking process. That's just me, though. Everyone's different. Even you can add a little salt.

It'll help caramelize the top more, so it looks even better. But I'll do that for, like, I'll just, I'll kind of, like, watch the edges. And you'll see that just as the lip of the fat starts to turn this caramel color that's when i'll flip it and then depending what you want if you want like mid rare rare when you say flip it though like what are we doing to this thing right now so like some people it's like so you have it on the cast iron frying yeah and then do you are you gonna bake it after that or are you gonna keep it on the cast iron just keep frying it i'm gonna keep it on the cast iron i'm gonna cook through and then i'm gonna throw throw some herbs, garlic,

then like a huge mound of butter in there and I'm just going to just foile it. Foile is just essentially just giving it a butter bath. Okay. I'll just butter bath it, pull it off and let it rest for a few minutes so it comes down to right around room temp and I'll serve it. I like mid-rare plus personally. Yeah, same. Some people like it bleeding. temp and i'll serve it should be like i like mid-rare plus personally that's yeah same some people like it bleeding i mean i i've i've heard that if you have really good quality meat there's

really no amount of like rareness that's like unhealthy right but if you have a shitty quality meat and you really want to cook it through yeah i agree with that there's because there's prime choice and all that other stuff that you can get at costco it's it which basically the fact the marbling inside of it. I like going to a butcher shop and finding some really good dry-aged stuff. I think it's just better. I just think it's better quality. The dry-aged?

Yeah. Okay. Because most butcher shops, small butcher shops, dry-age their own beef anyways for at least 14 days. Shad's a better fit. I was going to say, what does that do? Because I've seen that in Whole Foods. In the back, they have the dry-aged stuff hanging.

Yeah. And I'm like, I don't understand why. It's just preserving me. It just makes better flavor. What is – I was going to say, what does that do? Because I've seen that in Whole Foods. Like in the back, they have like the dry-aged stuff hanging. Yeah. And I'm like, what is – like I don't understand why. It's just preserving me. It just makes it taste better. It adds better flavor to it. Okay. Yeah. It's a good at-home project.

It's like having a hemidor instead of a big fridge. So what about a piece of chicken? I know chicken is a little bit different. And I feel like a lot of people overcook chicken usually because they're scared to undercook it. Yeah. I think with chicken, you just got to – there's no real set time to it. I think you just got to be real inquisitive with your sense of smell and touch. Okay.

Right? Like when you go to a grill, people flip and turn and fuck with everything. It's just like you put it on there, just let it chill. Same thing, just like if you're going to put it in a pan or a cast iron, just put something weighted on it, let it cook for five minutes or something on the skin side, let it get crispy, flip it, put that pan back on there, after two or three minutes, take it off, put it in the oven for five minutes at like 350, let it chill.

It should come out fucking primo. Okay. If you're going to cook very with i cook feeling and touching and smelling very like i mean you just got to be there to to do it i don't really like have a certain method of how i do it i'm just kind of like okay i know that's there then i'll pull it but if i'm like iffy about it i'll throw it in the oven for a few minutes. Just let it do its thing. Okay. What about vegetables?

A lot of people are pretty iffy on the vegetables. I've tried to read so much stuff about if you can overcook vegetables, if they should be steamed, if they should be only cooked to a certain point, if they should only be cooked in this type of oil or whatever. What's your thoughts on that? A vegetable is a vegetable is a vegetable anytime you cook it you're gonna lose the nutritional value on it especially if you're just buying shit in bulk yeah i mean i but some vegetables they say if you don't cook them you actually can't absorb all the nutrients either so there's like all these fucking asterisks next to everything so i was just wondering what your thoughts were on that you know when it comes to when it comes to that, I blanch my vegetables to where I think that they're, like, halfway done. And then I'll cook them just so I can just – I'll add fat to it and I'll just have to run.

Okay. But, like I said, when using lard, I'm just searing it to just get that nice, like, texture of crunching into it. So when you say lard, you're just saying just basically fat. Yeah. I just get Epic makes a great product. Oh, yeah. They do make a good product. Yeah.

I have some of their bison fat right now. Bison tallow. Yeah. I use that. I've been using that right now. That shit's good. Yeah. I literally just bought it like two weeks ago.

It's weird that you said that. I mean, that's basically all I use. I mean, when I get the pigs, then I can render it on my own, but I haven't had that in a minute, so I've been using that. I do the ghee, and I do the Epic tallowsos and the duck fat is bomb duck fat is amazing i love duck dude spanish potatoes blanched potatoes then smash them like pancakes fill it up with duck fat let them shits fry in that stuff some like grate some garlic in there some thyme some lemon does lard have a cheese does lard have a high smoke point?

Yeah. So you don't have to worry about that. No. I mean, when it comes to like smoke points and stuff like that, I think if you're working at an extremely fine dining restaurant, they preach to you those types of lessons. But if you're just an at-home cook when the avocado oil that's a high smoke i was gonna say avocado oil has the highest smoke point yeah that and grape

seed great and that just means that you're just you don't know what fuck you're doing you just fucking turn the flame on super high and it's just like yeah but yeah duck fat is wild yeah i love using duck fat and then um the last one will probably be eggs because a lot of people are cooking a lot of eggs these days. You know, you need to get a good nonstick egg pan. You can get, again, Marshall's or Ross usually has them. And then duck fat. I like them scrambled. And I just, I mean, it's called marbling, which basically means you take the whole egg and you just use a spoon.

Are you adding milk or anything to them? Nope. No? Okay. I mean, if you're making bulk eggs, you want them fluffier, I would do that spoon. Are you adding milk or anything to them? Nope. No? Okay. I mean, if you're making bulk eggs and you want them fluffier, I would do that. But I don't think there's a need to it. Favorite seasonings to put in there on the eggs? Salt, pepper, and chives.

Chives. Love chives. Okay. Love chives. Love chives. American cheese on top is even more amazing. It's so unhealthy for you, but it's so good. I'm a huge fan, like, when I eat cheese, to try to get raw cheese if I can.

That's usually my goal. Yeah. Like, blue cheese. I mean, I like stuff that has, like, bacteria in it because I think it helps to the immune system. Okay. So I like a lot of blue cheese. Yeah, blue cheese is bomb. Like, variants of that like

brie is good because it's good melting cheese sweeter oh brie i haven't had brie in forever hot brie with some jam or goat cheese on eggs is bomb yeah goat cheese on eggs with some garlic is super bomb oh it is i don't like that feta shit i don't yeah yeah i don't eggs is like fucking weird i've never heard of mediterranean egg before but like when i started seeing that i was like i don't want that shit have you ever had halloumi cheese the grilling cheese i'm not it's a greek cheese that you put on the pan and you grill it and it literally when it doesn't melt it just gets like uh it just gets that brown like crust yeah and you eat it and i swear to, it tastes like grilled cheese with no bread. It's called halloumi cheese.

That sounds amazing. I fucking love grilled cheeses. And sometimes it'll just say grilling cheese instead of halloumi cheese. It'll just say Greek grilling cheese. It is all time, dude. If you out there right now, you're listening, and you are obsessed with grilled cheese, but you don't want to eat bread or eat gluten, then halloumi grilling cheese, out of control. Dude, imagine if you made a mac and cheese with that, like a grilled cheese sandwich mac and cheese. Oh, wow.

Now we're talking. This is what everybody wants to hear. Everyone's jerking off right now. Talking about food porn. Talking about mountains. Dude. oh man and then you can take breadcrumbs and then you can really like get like super crunchy breadcrumbs so it's like the bread you could even almond crust it for those of you that are going gluten-free if you don't ruin this don't listen i'm gonna use almond flour. Don't do that.

Is there anything that you'd like to mention that we haven't really hit? I would think just if there's a takeaway from me being on this and talking to your listeners is really is that food is an adventure. And you really need to branch out to find that adventure and if you're afforded the means to like have planters and chickens and things i think that everyone should do that it's a little bit harder if you don't have that stuff obviously but there are ways to just it goes beyond the farmer's market and that's what i think people should understand it's not just are those farmer market farmers markets legit i'll just say because sometimes i feel like it could just be like someone working for a bigger farm that's just there to sell yeah i mean i say it's 50 50 all farmers markets are fucking designed to they it's all about money okay they charge them they want to get out there so

you know yeah but i do know more people now now that are having their own chickens in their They charge them. They want to get out there. But I do know more people now that are having their own chickens in their backyard and doing their own deal with that. So that's kind of cool. Oh, yeah. That shit's fun. Food isn't – you've got to go out and seek food. I mean, like, you can go to a foreign country and just find a particular dish that you like and just trace its lineage. We've been on expeditions into Mexico that tried to to find the india spice trail that came down into mexico because you go there you see all these different like

different generations and cultures that have influenced food it's fucking rad i love that shit where's your uh favorite actually this is a great question um am i allowed to say that about my own question um where is your like top three places in the world that you've been for food because i i love this question right now i actually was just reading yesterday about how san francisco is like number one in the u.s for food i believe that for you for the u.s they have the best airport food oh okay that's airport food san francisco i love eating at the airport. It's amazing.

I actually had an amazing experience in the London airport for food. Ooh. I had Guinness at the London airport. That was it. A Guinness? Yeah. I was like, I did it. Oh, that's Ireland.

My bad. Fuck me. Wrong country. Sorry, guys. Don't get offended. Fuck. Okay, so top three places. Go.

Damn. Doesn't have to be in order. Definitely, guys. Don't get offended. Fuck. Okay, so top three places. Go. Damn. Doesn't have to be in order. Definitely say Mexico. I was working in Mexico before it became the cool thing to do. But food was still amazing there. And it's better. It's not just fucking tacos. Any particular place in Mexico?

It's called Valle Guadalupe in Ensenada. It's Mexican wine country. Okay. I even want to go to Tulum for a while now. Oh, yeah. It looks cool. Yeah, fuck yeah it does. I don't want to be naked on a beach there.

I mean, we're both naked right now, so it's fine. It was the drugs kicked in, so we took them out. Clothes are too heavy. Clothes are too heavy. Way too heavy. It was cumbersome. It stings off of me. Cumbersome is a perfect word for what

we were just talking about you know what's funny so i i go to my girlfriend's gym and we work out she hates the fact that i just want like you know crossfitters as soon as sweat comes you're just like oh god this shirt oh yeah just i don't even want to have this on you start shaving in the middle of the workout you're just like everything needs to come off. I'll wear Speedos. I don't care. But I go there, and I'm just like, they have some really good workouts. And I'll just be like, oh, this shirt is so restricting. Oh, for sure.

And my girl is just like, shut up. Stop it. And I'm always like, dude, can we make bro tanks or something? I just didn't feel like I need less clothes. People ask about tanks all the time in my gym. No. Take it off. Back on track.

Okay. Mexico is one of them. Yes. It's one of the top three. The movement in Nashville to West Virginia is really amazing right now. Okay. I have a chef named Sean Brock who really really is like when you think southern food you think fried food and stuff like that and they're like no that's not that's not southern food it's it's a

very like uh vegetable driven people like i mean they're farmers right there's poor farmers and then and i think that's really dope is what he's doing to restore the food system in that area i mean it's it's really amazing what he's doing and there the food system in that area i mean it's it's really amazing what he's doing and there's something i wish that i could i could emulate in my own way with athletes um new york new york is insane yeah that's just yeah not necessarily healthy but insane i mean it can be it can't be for sure it be. But I think when you're in New York, it's just like there's culture. There's influence. You got to respect the adventure.

Yeah. I mean, where else in the world can you go get Peking duck at fucking 3 in the morning after a night of drinking? I literally had Peking duck last night at that wedding because I was at an Asian wedding. Dude, they had a 10-course meal. I've never been to a wedding that was like that. Damn, they had money. Yeah, it. I've never been to a wedding that was like that. Damn, they had money. Yeah, every 30 minutes was a new dish. And we were all at a big table.

I mean, dude, this is how I want my wedding to be for sure. I mean, the first plate came out, and I didn't know it was a 10-course meal. I was like, these cheap motherfuckers. It was like, dude, no joke. All of us at the table. There's probably like 10 of us at the table there's probably like 10 of us at a table we all got one shrimp one and then there was like little things there like little like you know like noodles and shit but like i was like wow like i just had one shrimp

and then the next plate came out and it was like dude no joke it was an enormous plate of lobster so then we were all just like you know taking this lobster and then there was a huge thing of uh pecking duck and then there was a uh some some white fish and then there was a huge thing of rice obviously because they're asian and then i'm gonna address the elephant in the room And then there was like other shit And then at the end They had A lot of you guys out there You're not gonna know what this means But they had afters ice cream

Oh fucking That's my heart melt They had the cookie monster flavor The blue one And then the milk and cookies Just so you guys know This is a glazed donut Cut in half Heat pressed With an ice cream scoop in the center.

Yeah. And you want to talk about jizz? That will make you leave your girlfriend. Dude, and it was unlimited. You can get as much as you want. See, I wouldn't even eat food. I would have been drunk and fucking fat on ice cream. Oh, yeah, and it was open bar.

I mean, it was all time. Good for good for them your friends just good for them so they know the owners of after so that's why it was that's why it was there oh god how amazing would that yeah it was good i want a fucking s'mores if i when i get married one day i want a s'more cake and i just want a fucking flamethrower and i just want to like wow that would That would be so dope. Shut up, babe. This is for me. That would be really, really dope. Everyone's just fucking booze. Okay. So we got, we got Mexico.

We got Nashville, Nashville, New York and New York. Okay, cool. I like that. Those are good. And then best airport food. We have San Francisco throwing that out there. Yeah. And for me, best airport food was in London.

So that was my experience there. What is the next step for you? You said you want to take over the world in some aspects. What would that look like in your ideal world? Right now, it's kind of fingers crossed. How would you like to put your name on the map? Fingers crossed, but I'm trying to work with a university and working with their

athletics program about actually redoing their agricultural program and really bringing sports performance into food like making it like a divider like getting rid of the big conglomerates that run shit but like having my statement as a human being and chef on the athletic on the football player and you have a specific school in mind right now yeah is it a big one yeah okay cool it's here in it's here in la okay i think i i feel like there's only like one of two that i would really yeah prefer it to be okay um so that's really cool and if that goes through that would be I would be able to achieve it opens so many other doors yeah once you're that guy well I will have I've already worked with doctors before and and having studies done as far as the

effects of like using a I guess a ketogenic diet I don't really call it that, but I just use fat. I guess if you're just cognizant on what you're feeding a human being, there's a lot of advantages to it. I was able to work with doctors from that university, and they helped guide what I've been doing. But the biggest thing is always going to be land. That's really cool. And they have these

they have these programs already established i would just come on and be like we're taking over everything this is how we're doing it this is how i want it like shut the fuck up and then hopefully the other universities would adapt kind of the same thing and then you could right it would just be a plug and play thing then you'd be the the guy. The dude. That would be really dope. Yeah, that would be. Like when I think about it on a like just sitting here talking about it, I'm like how awesome that would be. But then I'd look at the bigger picture of it. I'm just like, holy fuck.

Oh, yeah. Everything can be huge in its own way. Yeah. If you're business savvy. So like you said, like you can be screwed in business. Yeah. And then once you figure it out, there definitely a it's just it's just a light like i remember once i figured business out like the light just came down and i was like oh like i know like i just know you know what i mean like

i hope another light opens up at some point it's like when you die like something happens you know and it's just like okay now i'm like that guy who's like so happy all the time you're like are you mormon and you're like no i'm just i'm just don't mind my 10 kids and i have seven wives but i mean how did we get there these drugs are so good no i'm just kidding i love that idea that's really really rad I think once if you do accomplish that I think it'd be cool if you came back

and then gave a little bit to the kids and changed this fucking elementary school yeah cafeterias because it's just an abomination

oh yeah yeah so people don't grow up and I think we're all growing up I think people are growing up lazier and dumber than ever

because they're just getting fed soy and wheat and corn. Well, the problem is that every – we're going to get on another conversation. Yeah. But I think it's – at the end of the day, there's nobody there to say – like everyone has an opinion and there's no one there to say this is what we're doing and that's it. Yeah. Like it's not like cheese pizzas on Monday, wings on Wednesday. It's just like, there's a farm. Our kids are learning about food.

We're trying to have an 80% sustainable ratio of food to kid per day. And it's like, we're doing this, so everyone shut the fuck up. But again, you're dealing with children and parents, and there's over's overworked parents there's parents that would be cool and there's under educated parents yeah and so you're again you're you have to take a system that's broken and let's say i i'm trying to be that dude it's like if you look at the scale of optimism criticism and um like backlash that's gonna come down on me. And no one ever just wants to be like, he's wrong. They want to throw some vile shit at you.

They want to threaten your family, your kids, your wife. And you're like, first of all, motherfucker, let me be very clear on this. I'm twice your size, and I will fucking smash your fucking face into this ground if you say some shit about my wife. If you want to go about my mom, I'll make sure i fucking blast that shit on the interwebs about me beating your ass but i mean that's and that's the shitty part of it is that like my intentions are good with like in dealing with school because i really want to take on that and i've tried to do that um the boys and girls club of phoenix were really really great in helping me do that.

But there was so much outside influence on these fucking kids that it was just like you're hampering them from learning. I'm trying to get them to see the light of things. It's just us trying to help them like farming. And they're like, no, when they get home, no one likes carrots. So he brought home two pounds of carrots what'd you do with them throw in the trash well what the fuck guy yeah like you motherfucker when's the last time you ate a fucking carrot that was actually normal yeah i don't like purple carrots i don't even have to you're like okay yeah i'm picking up what you're putting down here. Yeah, it's an amazing thing right now.

But, yeah, I think that's – I love that goal. That's a good goal. And no one's really doing that right now like in the chef world. There's some chefs that I look up to that are like – they're doing it in the restaurant world. And it's funny is that they're meeting the same optimism because you'll go to the restaurant and he'll be – and they'll serve like this is a single origin butter from a specific cow and they're like it's just butter and bread and you're like yes it's butter and bread but we just it's from this cow but this grain is grown here without any sort of like there's no outside influence on the cells of the germ of the wheat we're not pulverizing it's like there's nutrients in this yeah like oh what i'm i'm gluten intolerant

okay well you'll be fine yeah you're gonna be fine yeah most likely you're gonna be fine and so and again and then we're losing a generation of young kids that are farmers there's some people that are coming back into it now but again then we run into the other obstacles of space and time and effort and i've been in these meetings where i've gone to like uh it's eventually going to be vertical farms it will be and it's it's sad it is sad i went to i was trying to get in with um uh the commercial real estate business as a chef because i was like don't build another restaurant don't build another restaurant don't build another apartment let's build a community farm let's actually have a fast food

farm for your residents to actually come and get their own csa boxes but I was too far-fetched in my thought and I get so worked up when I'm in these meetings that they just think I'm batshit crazy because I'm like I'm like we're employing people in our community let's say if you had it here that building gets knocked down and we build that entire acre lot a garden that can sustain two blocks worth of people and they're like that's fucking stupid that's not enough money i was like but we're helping our community that's what the thing is i know we spend money on dumb shit all the time like food should be yeah pretty priority there's yeah and then there's you know it's just it's all boils down to money and like if you don't have it you're just not gonna get it that's sad yeah but i mean i'm fighting a good fight but you know if you're uh if you're a culinary kid out there

and you're thinking you're gonna change change the world overnight, your dad must be really rich. So where can people find you and see if you are winning the good fight at any point? You can find me on Instagram at flutters77. Flutters? Yeah. I like it. 77. I stay pretty much on that channel.

I don't really... I got off Twitter and keep my Facebook private so family can see what I'm doing. My mom sends me like fucking 5,000 messages of fucking Snoopy memes. And Candy Crush invites. Yeah. Do you ever get on your story and show some of the stuff you're cooking and stuff like that? I do. I need to do a better job of it.

The way that I communicate cooking. Because that would be dope. If you got on there every day and did like a recipe of the day i'd follow the fuck out of that i'm just i don't know why i'm so i'm not intimidated by it i don't know why i'm so taken back by it because of the way that i people look for like well i need to know this and i need to do this and i talk to everyone like i i i'm i would like to think i'm like a manly man and i just thought like well motherfucker guess what like i just burnt man. And I just thought, like, well, motherfucker, guess what? Like, I just burnt the fuck out of this.

Yeah. So if you burn the fuck out of this shit, it just means you fucking shouldn't follow me, stupid. Yeah. Some people get offended by that. But, dude, if you burnt the fuck out of something, that's like. It's like. People can appreciate that. And they're like, okay.

So even he fucks up. You know what I mean? Like, people like that. Yeah. So I definitely. You should do that. I'm going to break down and do it eventually. I just haven't done it. I,

I did have videos on the interwebs on YouTube through a company that I don't speak of cause there's some shit going on with them. but yeah, YouTube's a different animal right now. They're just so saturated with stuff, but yeah, I did an early video for your viewers. If you want to go up and look at – oh, man. It was like, bruh, where's my kitchen? Okay.

I'll show you the video after. Is it funny? Yeah. It's from like when I first, first started doing anything and it's hilarious. Okay. I'll check it out for sure. But yeah, so I'm working on a couple things like that and and then the more that i started diving into the food world i and people that i meet in

my world i usually just throw it up on the gram and let it do what it does all right cool are you are you allowed to take photos with the famous people that you're doing food for or no you know i actually think i've been trusted by them because i actually turned my phone into security before i go and work okay or if i don't do the like broey photos or anything but i like if there's a funny moment and they're like doing something i'll definitely take pictures and throw it up on there okay cool blows people away there's like my goal is to cook for bill murray i heard he's i saw that documentary that he has and now I'm like, I need to cook for Bill Murray. That would be really rad. Yes.

It's complete. All right. Well, cool. I, uh, I appreciate you having, having you on the show and,

um, thanks for reaching out to me. Thanks for having me. Yeah. It was a great surprise. Yeah. For those of you who don't know, I've only met him a few times.

He cooked for me in Miami. Yeah. At Guadalupalooza. That was the first time we officially, first time I ever met him. And then he was like, yo, let's do a podcast. I've only met him a few times. He cooked for me in Miami. Yeah, in Guadalupe. That was the first time we officially met. First time I ever met him. And then he was like, yo, let's do a podcast. I was like, I don't really know a whole bunch about you. I just know that you cook for famous people, so that's cool.

And he's like, it'll be like a blind date. Let's just fucking do it. And I was like, all right. Nailed it. So we met up, and I think this thing went really well. So I hope you guys learned a little bit about food. I hope you guys had a good laugh. And, oh, before we leave, let's just recap.

Your favorite place for meat was in Montana, and it was called? Great Alone Cattle Company. Great Alone Cattle Company. And then there was one in Cali. And Rome Ranch out of Austin, Texas. Rome Ranch? Yeah. And then Primal something?

Primal Pastures. Primal Pastures. Primal Pastures. Okay. And they're all on the interwebs, and you can do their own subscription boxes and stuff like that. They have it all. Oh, they have boxes? All did up, yeah.

Oh, cool. All right. Well, just so you guys know, there's no discount codes on that. There's no nothing. There's no plug on that. That was just straight up genuine. Sorry, guys. I don't know if you're disheartened by the discount code.

That was just genuine love that he has for those people. So thank you guys for listening, and I will see you again next Tuesday. If you want to find this man a little bit more, flutters77 on the IG. Yes. And if you don't know my Instagram, Ryan Fish, then we need to talk. See you in my office. You're fucking fired. Yes.