Barbell Shrugged - Tracking and Optimizing Metabolic Fitness w/ Dr. Kamellia Dimitrova, MD, Anders Varner, Doug Larson, and Travis Mash #785

Episode Date: February 12, 2025

Dr. Kamellia Dimitrova, MD, is a pioneering physician, researcher, and innovator in metabolic health and longevity. With over 30 years of experience in mainstream medicine, including a background in cardiac surgery and clinical research, she has dedicated her career to transforming health outcomes through data-driven precision interventions. As the founder and CEO of Quantum Heart Inc., Dr. Dimitrova leads the development of cutting-edge, noninvasive medical technologies that continuously track and optimize metabolic fitness. Dr. Dimitrova specializes in reversing dyslipidemia, hypercholesterolemia, coronary artery disease, and hypertension using a highly personalized, algorithm-driven approach. By leveraging continuous physiological monitoring, functional health assessments, and AI-driven modeling, she empowers individuals to regain control over their health. Her method integrates metacognition and precision medicine, enabling clients to understand and reprogram their biological responses for long-term vitality. Her expertise has been sought by leading institutions, and her research has been published in over 40 peer-reviewed journals. She holds multiple patents in the field of biomedical innovation and physiological modeling, contributing to advancements in noninvasive tracking of body composition, glucose, blood pressure, and energy balance. Before founding Quantum Heart Inc., Dr. Dimitrova worked extensively in clinical research and product development, applying machine learning and AI to human physiology. Her work bridges the gap between traditional medicine and cutting-edge technology, offering a revolutionary approach to preventing and reversing chronic diseases. Dr. Dimitrova is passionate about teaching and mentorship, working with institutions such as the National Science Foundation, NIH amd NASA to advance new medical technologies. Her clientele includes individuals with complex metabolic conditions, elite athletes, and organizations seeking next-generation health solutions and health . In this episode, we discuss continuous physiological tracking, metabolic flexibility, AI-driven health optimization, and real-time interventions for disease prevention—all designed to enhance longevity, resilience, and peak performance. Work With Us: Arétē by RAPID Health Optimization Links: Work with Dr. Kamellia Dimitrova, MD Anders Varner on Instagram Doug Larson on Instagram Coach Travis Mash on Instagram

Shrug family this week on Barbell Shrug, Dr. Camelia Dimitrova. I nailed it. You got to get the little Dimitrova in there. Dr. Camelia, I've had multiple conversations with her. The podcast is being one of them here, which is very cool. We get to kind of like more professionally lay down a lot of the work that she does. And today talking about metabolic fitness, how to track it, optimize it. We dig into some really big concepts on the HRV side of things not just talking about HRV but

how it relates to a lot of the organs inside your body specific to HRV and the body's response I also think that a lot of the work that she is doing in her practice is very cool I actually just sat watched a 45-minute presentation from her and think that she's she's really doing some very cool i actually just sat watched a 45 minute presentation from her and think that she's she's really doing some very cool world-class innovative things in her practice so get into the show notes and you can check out her website over at quantumheartinc.com and then she also has a very cool product on there called vital site v-i-t-a-l-s-S-I-G-H-T, Vital Sight. And that was really what she walked me through

in that big presentation. I think there's some very, very valuable things in there as far as tracking, CGMs, and how you can collect more data on your metabolic fitness. As always, friends, make sure you get over to aretalab.com. That's A-R-E-T-E-L-A-B.com, aretalab.com. That is where you can learn more about the signature program, ARTE,

inside rapid health optimization, all the lab testing, performance analysis, lifestyle tracking, everything that we're gonna be doing to take your health and performance to the next level. And you can access all of that over at aretalab.com. Friends, let's get into the show. Welcome to Marvel Shrugged. I'm warner doug larson coach travis mash dr camellia dimitrova i did that travis you know what that is that's me speaking bulgarian right there eastern yeah you're basically bulgarian yeah at this point

today on barbell shrug we going to be digging into cardiovascular health and this really cool idea of your physiological footprint. But to kick things off, Dr. Camelia, can you kind of dig into exactly what or how your cardiovascular system

really plays into a person's optimal well-being? So everybody knows the heart and the lungs and the vasculature, the arteries. And is there any beginning point where all the disorders that we're afraid of, like cancer, heart attacks and strokes, that actually start there, right, in your blood vessels? And the heart, most people think, oh, the heart is the one that just like pumps blood. This is so much more than that. The heart

is probably the most important muscle in your body. And it's a muscle, just like the muscles that we, you know, used to move, but it moves the blood and regulates these big highways. The infrastructure of the body depends on the heart and the highways, your vasculature. If they're open and well run by the heart and the lungs and organs, then everything runs smooth and you feel great. But as soon as something starts building up like plaque, and we call it atherosclerosis that leads to coronary artery disease that leads to stroke and alzheimer and all these like bad bad bad diseases that we don't want to even hear about

it starts from the heart so the cardiovascular health is the foundation of your well-being and without it there's no you cannot if your heart doesn't work well and you cannot breathe you cannot build muscle you cannot do your work you have to ask for help and use various other drugs and you have to go to the hospital and you name it. So to be independent and to have your life checked and you feel you wake up and you're happy, you need your cardiovascular health. And that's a very broad question. I eventually am going to go to more specifics of how to optimize cardiovascular health and why it's like the foundation of everything. But you didn't ask me, I will jump on it. My background, I'm a medical doctor and I'm fully trained general surgeon. And then I did cardiothoracic surgery, vascular surgery, minimally invasive mitral valve repairs. So I went basically try

to fix the body in the most crude possible way. Whatever we thought is broken, we'll go inside, we'll look at it and just like the plumbers, we're going to bypass the problem and then hoping, you know, it's going to start working the same again. And for my biggest disappointment, and I did a lot of clinical research and then I found my patients, actually I realized, although the plumbing work was beautiful, brilliant, we all were great surgeons and technicians, our patients kept coming back.

They never felt the same. Every time I see a follow-up after surgery, I was expecting to hear, oh, I feel great. I can go and run a marathon. But this never happened. I always, I didn't feel good. You know, I have, you know,

they were all of them were on a beta blocker, on a statin, on metformin, because the diseases, the metabolic issues that caused the coronary artery disease that led them to me was never addressed properly. And the medications, yeah, they keep them going, but they didn't have the vitality. They didn't have the joy of life. And unfortunately, we're at this point of science and understanding medicine where we

can keep the chronic disease going for a long time. But the human, we become like like piece of meat just just like being there breathing and taking the air away without you know the joy of whatever the living can bring you the joy of like flying you know like running and skiing and do exactly what you want yeah um Yeah. On just a mechanical side of things, what happens when the blood comes into the heart? It goes around and then it flushes back out into your body to actually be able to be used. What is the cleaning process of the blood? How do we oxygenate the blood? The actual mechanics of what's going on. I like this question. I like this question. And I love to talk about that. Incredible. You picked a great host. I can talk for a day or two. So the blood, which is almost 12% of you, between 9% and 12% of you, is like 60% water uh and the rest is

called hematocrit which keeps the red blood cells and there's of course other many other cells that are responsible for the immunity for the chlorine of the blood when you bleed so the blood carries oxygen and also nutrients so when it's in the heart so the heart has two parts left and right and uh they're just not because they're okay. It also means the left is the one that carries the oxygenated blood that comes from the lung and is pumped out from the heart to the rest of the body. And then the right collects the blood that comes from the body that has been used already. We call it the oxygenated blood.

And it brings that blood to the lungs. So we have like two circulations. You have the lung and heart, and you have the heart and the body that connect it. And there's a lot of little details here that we can talk forever, but I will just give an example why this is so important. You know, I work with i'm a woman and uh i work with many women and women tend to go get away from upper body most women are focused on the glutes on glutes on the on the lower body and very little understanding is why you know i don't know why no one wants to do upper body but the only time i see improvement in the cardiovascular health in women is when they focus 60 70 percent of their exercise routine on the upper body so what happens when you do that you increase the circulation uh between the ribs in the musculature

of the ribs in the small little tiny muscles that help with the breathing so they're like hundreds of them and then the circulation that's like separate of these just these two circulations helps improving the breathing once the breathing is improved then the process of oxygenating the blood that comes from the right heart to the lung is much more efficient and right there is the beginning of like i know you do the VO2 max. So that explains like why people that, you know, have better circulations,

they have higher VO2 max. Because one part of the process is the oxygenation. And this is more efficient. And then the next part is taking the oxygen and using it to create energy in the ATP in every cell. And that is where the muscle, which is like the biggest organ in the body and completely under our conscious control

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I measure the continuous VO2, which is the oxygen consumption. So basically I measure how efficiently the battery, the nanobattery, the electron transport chain, H-mitohondria, uses the oxygen to create the ATP. And so this depends. First, number one, you've got to have a heart that pumps the blood in a very fluid, regular frequency. And these big highways, the arteries are open. And the interesting thing is that you have several layers of pulsation. So the first one that everybody knows, when you touch your pulse and you feel the heart, right? Yeah.

And we all know about this and we follow the resting heart rate, your maximal heart rate. And yes, this gives you a pretty good idea of your overall health. But there's so much between, you know, that's where the HRV that more and more people start knowing about, but no one understands it, comes into play. And there's different frequencies that you can extract from each. When you follow the heartbeats and you measure the time in milliseconds,

and then you can actually see when certain hormones are released. And it's so important for analyzing sleep and how sleep is also related to the work of your heart. So if your heart is not healthy, which means it's not getting enough oxygen itself, it's not pumping in the right proper frequency to the rest of the body and the lungs, then everything starts crapping up, crapping down. I'm sorry. And I don't know.

Did I explain? You nailed it um i mean you anytime someone talks hrv my ears perk up and i would love to uh you said people don't really understand it um dig into hrv a little bit and kind of like what your how you are analyzing it with your clients so the heart rate variability, it's something that has been used for decades. In cardiac surgery and cardiology, it has been one of the metrics that we follow after surgery and after certain events to see how well the patient is going to do.

So the general number, HRV, this is the variations between two heartbeats. And there's a long and short term. So they're called RMSSD and CNND. And then usually the tracker devices and everything that most people know, they generalize. They have like a little bit different algorithms, but it comes down to like the average number. Most of them measure it in rest. It's used in the biofeedback.

What it means in terms of cardiovascular physiology, so the heart, the one you feel the pulse, it's a beat. So the beat is several pulses, several wave pulses that are summarized. And then when they resonate in a certain frequency, it creates the beat. It's very similar to the musical instruments, right? You pull it and there's a vibrations with different frequencies,

but they're close to each other. They create the beat. The same thing happens in the heart and the heart creates this beat. So each end organ, you know, kidney, brain, muscle,

liver, digestive organ each one of these tissues are end tissues so they receive this signal that carries the nutrients and oxygen and all that but they themselves they have something that's called microcirculation and this microcirculation has its own frequency so for for example the brain in rest it's about six beats per minute uh it can go anywhere between like 3 and 24 for the breathing you know which is very tightly related to the high frequency of the height when you when you study the heart rate variability it's also between you know six and when you push it heart rate variability. It's also between, you know, six, and when you push it, it can go to like 62.

And this is associated with like taking the breath, the inhalation and exhalation. And the center that you see is like, and creates these beads is like in the medullobulgata, in the brain. So the same thing, you know, for the kidneys. The kidneys is a very interesting organ because the frequency there is super high. That's why when you put in open heart surgery, we put someone on a pump, on an artificial heart-lung machine that pumps the blood for them until we fix the heart.

So the heart stays free of blood and empty so we can work on it. We cannot do it for longer than a certain period of time because the kidneys are going to fail. So the kidneys, in order to work, they need much, much higher frequency because they cannot extract. Like, for example, the heart can extract up to like 60, almost 70%, sometimes even 80% of the oxygen from the red blood cells. the kidneys can extract less than 25%. So they need more higher quality of that. And then because their own resonant frequency, like a natural frequency of their microvasculature, like opening and closing of the little arterioles

and capillaries is a much higher rate, then resonance never happens. So even when the heart beats or the pump sends blood flow to the kidney, the kidney is not open. It stays closed. So nothing goes to the kidney. The kidney eventually dies. So that's why after open heart surgery, most of the complications are kidney complications or stroke. But doing all of this, you realize a lot of little details in the physiology

that can be applied to daily life. So heart rate variability, the number that you know, reflects overall health actually pretty well. Based on many, many studies done on pro athletes in actually Finland was one of the first countries that started doing this like in a much bigger sample of people. And yes, Finland was one of the first countries that started doing this, like in a much bigger sample of people. And yes, there was a strong correlation between performance and HRV, the way you feel very objectively with the HRV. And then in the cardiac literature, you know, for example, if your general HRV, I described, it's like a number that everybody can calculate in a different way, but approximately the same. If it drops under a certain number, for example, under 20 milliseconds, it's highly associated with high blood pressure. Or patients that already have buildup plaques in

their heart, if the HRV start dropping below 20, this is associated with progressive atherosclerosis and a heart attack. But the variations show you how adaptive the background, which is the autonomous nervous system is, and the background is the one that controls the heartbeats, right? So the heartbeats, because there's a heart, there's a blood coming into it, but also it's regulated by three separate signals. Two of them come from the brain indirectly, the sympatheticus and the parasympatheticus. This is the autonomic nervous system, controls the heartbeat. And there's a natural beat that's inside the sinus node.

So you see, it's like super complex. It's complex at the same time. We are oversimplifying it. And to some extent it works, you know, 60 to 70% of the time it works because yes, high HRV generally better. But then I hear something else that like is very disturbing for me. I hear, okay, but everybody has their own HRV. Okay, this is not true.

Because if you're a human being, you have all these organs that work, they need optimal optimization. And when they're in optimal working and you feel good, your overall night heart rate variability calculated by the whoop algorithms or aura algorithms or Garmin algorithms, and you're male and you're like in your 40s or 50s and you're more than, you know, 5'9", your HRV has to be in the 40s or 50s and you're more than you know five nine your hrv it has to be in the 50s at least if you yeah right like the line in the sand what do you mean uh you got to be over 50 that's that's like um when we start seeing numbers below that we know there's things that something's going on some sort of pressure that is showing up that is not, that needs to be fixed.

There's something holding you back. That's right. The time series, when you calculate all this, are important because it takes time for the blood to travel from the heart to the end organ, let's say to the brain. And you have this distance. And that's where the time in milliseconds for HRV, it reflects basically how much time this organ had

to absorb all the nutrients that come from the blood all the oxygen that comes to the blood and this is like how for how long this micro micro circulation was open to receive what the heart was sending and then the heart also is a two-way path the heart also receives a lot of information back from the end organs and then adapts and responds and this is the the heart drive variability basically shows you how uh adaptability of the cardiovascular system to the needs of the body that change you can imagine they change second for second right so when you give you one number for overnight it's very incorrect but you can look especially you know i i study all of them but like for example aura you can look at how the hrv changed overnight or a whoop and you can see

okay you went up to like almost 120 this This is good. Although your average HIV was only like 51, you see your max was like 120. It means that there was some time when the brain got flashed, when you went into that perfect resonance and the brain tissues received

enough of everything to do the job and release this growth hormone that you need so much and gonadotropic, you know, hormone and all that. When you think about kind of like the resilience of HRV, so there's some sort of stressor that comes into your life or some sort of life change. Do you expect there to be large fluctuations. For example, if you go on vacation, are you going to just immediately see, assuming less stress because you're just sitting at a beach hanging out somewhere, you get to sleep without an alarm, things like that, all of a sudden it could jump

10, 15, 20 points higher. Or most recently, I started training in the morning and it's probably been like three weeks of really bad hrv and then just recently it's like back to normal like yeah that transition from waking up at like 7 to like 5 45 is shown up hardcore and and the numbers that come back but it's gonna pay off off, Anders, for sure. Because once you start going into your natural circadian rhythms, which is synchronizing everything that's your choices, when you're going to wake up, when you're going to go to bed, and when the peak of all these hormones release from the brain

and synchronize with your adrenals and the rest of the organs, you're going to see the benefits. But yes, it takes a little time. When when you're younger it can happen in three days when you are a little bit older it's going to take some time but once you start seeing the results they're like you're not going back you yeah you and that's the motivation like and that's the metacognition when you realize uh-huh i don't need to take a pill i just have to wake up early and do my workout and then you see the numbers moving uh but you're absolutely right when you strain so changing habit is very hard and it over stimulates the sympathetic nervous system

which naturally makes the heart your resting heart probably is like higher too and the hrv naturally is going to go down because everything in you is on alert you're focused you're trying to adapt and adjust right it's like taking a step up and of course everything you know you put an effort and you exhausting energy and then you're on the step and then you know you you are stabilized and you optimize and then you look for the next challenge and you go again. But for the vacation, it's very interesting. It depends. Travel, of course, is a huge, you know, hurdle.

Like it brings everything down, especially if it's jet lag involved. Changing the environment always is stressful, even if you don't recognize it. If you're super excited to be on the hawaiian beach it's still you know the travel itself the different house different bed everything affects you and it is beautiful because it gives you this mental kick and you're happy and you're doing something new but don't expect to see jump in the hrv

i found that alcohol specifically crushes my hrv is there like a particular reason for that increase the amount your body will figure it out gotta acclimate in the bulgarian culture like people drink rakia for everything you know rakia is grappa it's like a alcohol almost 60 It's a drink with a 60% to 70% alcohol. And people do it for everything. Can you believe that? But we know that the alcohol is... There's no question about it.

There's nothing good about alcohol, except... I don't know. There's no exception. It's bad. So yeah, when you drink, just prepare. That's the only good part. What is it? It just turns you into a six-year-old. You're just chatty and happy and

things feel good and then everything else goes down. Didn't you have these mornings when you wake up, you haven't had a sip of any alcohol and you feel like you can conquer the world, you can fly and you feel like a six-year-old that can run and make flips?

I'm only saying that for commentary on a podcast. I am the least drinker that, it took me a long time, but I'm even at the place where I could just look at friends and I would go, no, not doing that. But people have stopped asking me if I want drinks because they know the answers. No.

Right. It's, it does a lot of social pressure. I know I, you know, in New York city, this is, this is the scene of New York city.

My, my native culture is this. And I, I myself got a big hit from, from this because I felt like the only way I can socialize is I have a few drinks. And then I realized I can't think on the next day. I cannot solve my differential equations because my brain is stuck. And it's just like going round and round.

And then it's just to a point where initially I was like lying, you know, have a glass of water and I'm going to pretend this is actually gin or vodka. And then I'm just like, okay, whatever. I'm just going to have tea and I'm not going to lie. And I'm just going to have my tea and be happy. And that's it. Now, you know, like hitting 50, I've, you know, even if I have, I might, I love red wine to smell it. But that's about it. Like, I, I just don't want to poison my lap. Yeah. I mean, it's a, that's really what it is. The, the word intoxicated means that there's lots of toxins in your body and probably don't want those. Right. It goes, alcohol goes directly to the brain. You know that, right? It's just the brain cells, just like they take the glucose directly. That's how they take alcohol.

So it goes directly to the mitochondria and it blocks them it's just like the worst thing you can do but anyway if you decide to do it consciously it's different because you understand what's going to happen you understand what you know marijuana would it be would marijuana be the same or is it no no no marijuana it's, it's very different because it's not a poison. Actually, it could be a medication in certain circumstances. When everything that you start doing it regularly and you be dependent on it for well-being, I think it's negative because you're tied to something

and you want to be free. You want your own chemical lab to work so well and you be your master chemist so you don't want to produce your own dopamine and serotonin or insulin. I understand everything has a place to help you get to a point where you can go on your own. You know how the kids, when they start walking, they need a little help. You hold their hand, they do a little walk or think, and then they run. And that's, you know, specifically for marijuana and some of this, you know, I don't know what they are, like herbs, plants.

They have their purpose, you know, for certain situations. But, of course, they impact your physiology. Of course they interfere with the way you're going to perform. That's not normal. That's not the optimal health, right? The idea is you build up your lifestyle, you build up your pattern of living, your pattern of thinking to a point where you don't depend on anything you just wake up you are free to fly and do anything you want you'll circle back to the beginning of the show uh anders anderson you have a very cool term called your physiological footprint uh is that something that you coined and and of course what exactly is that so the physiological footprint is something that

uh shows you directly how your life daily choices impact your physiology and by physiology you know it's health and how you feel it's everything uh and it's associated with a certain bioparameters that you can measure in the blood it's certain parameters you can measure with the you know vital signs but um i was you know when you when you zoom in you look at every little detail of what happened in this 20 minutes when I was on a call with a partner and my blood pressure shoot up off the roof and then it took me three hours to bring it down. When I was so focused on preparing for the call and taking the call that I was sedentary for 300 minutes. And 300 minutes. So, and you can see the impact of this

on your body immediately. So if you don't know, if you're in the dark, it's going to be, oh, whatever, you know, it's like I earned my money, whatever. But once you see what actually you did, you're like, ah, maybe I'm going to plan this better and not going to do it that way. Because what it shows how, I'm just going to give you very rough examples.

Like the glucose probably like showed up, then went straight down. Then you probably like felt very uncomfortable and, you know, fatigue and you wanted to have a drink. And then, you know, this is like the short-term impacts. And the long-term impacts are going to be, probably your sleep is going to be bad. Then on the next day, you're not going to be ready to go for your exercise. You're going to be like, huh, I feel very groggy. I'm not going to do it. So everything has consequences.

And once you see them, when you light up the dark spots, and these are the potholes on the road when you drive a car in the dark. And if you have the light and you see it, you avoid them. And you do like a little turns and your car is like good. But if you don't see them and you don't know about them, you just like drive to the potholes. And then before you know, your axle is down and your tires are gone and you need a new car, you need a new body. But the physiological footprint goes with something very specific that you can recognize and develop a conscious feeling it's like an internal intuition about it you know and like very roughly it could be joy or it could be fatigue uh could be even like depression or um you know like some sadness or any any feeling that objectively you connect to the lifestyle event.

That's not necessarily like when I say lifestyle event, it sounds like something exclusive. No, like everyday thing, you know, for example, you when you wake up, how this impacted you. This is your physiological print, your HRV, your resting heart rate. Everything was off because you were uphealing. You were increasing in order to go. So that's one thing in quantum chemistry, different from the classic physics, is that there is no continuation.

Nothing is continuous. You know, everything is on a jump. So you build up certain energy, certain skills, and then you go to the next step. But although it looks like overnight, it's not overnight. You know, it takes effort. It takes time. It takes consistency. And then you're like on the next step.

And then everybody, oh, you look amazing. How are you 60? You can write marathons. And the same thing happens the other way around. You know, you sort of like drop off the wagon, you start doing your crappy sluggy thing, you sit like this, you hold me like that, you eat bad food, you don't exercise.

And then initially everything, you know, from a month or two, everything looks good. And then you step on the scales like, whoops, my fat percentage increased with 10%. But it didn't happen overnight. It's just like the quants are a certain amount that they're like the steps instead of being continuous. And we are a little bit more prone to think in this continuous way.

We expect to see this continuous change, increase or decrease, while actually the factual way everything is working in the body is like in the quantum steps. You just said that word, quantum. One thing that we were wanting to know from this show was, you had another term that we all thought was very interesting called cellular quantum chemistry. What exactly exactly is that oh my gosh uh as simple as you can explain it yeah and make it as relevant as possible to people that just want to be healthier kind of regular people that want to train and eat eat well and be healthy okay so i am really

gonna try to like to do a good job here. My husband hates me. I tried to explain this to him for 15 years, and he's like, I still cannot understand this. But imagine how the solar panel, right? Just imagine a solar panel. You know how it works, right? So you have plus and minus that eventually collects energy that comes from the sun, right?

The sun has like these quants of light that hit something, the semiconductors, they do something inside, and then you have voltage, electric energy that is collected between two plates. So absolutely the same process. I'm oversimplifying it, but a very similar process happens inside every cell. So we have like you know several trillions of cells uh and each one of them has several hundreds of organs called mitochondria and it's inside of each mitochondria there's like several hundred thousand sometimes depends

of the organ of something that's called electron transport chain so So this is the nanobattery inside the cell. These nanobatteries are located on both sides or inside the membranes of the mitochondria and then drive a process very similar to that. On one end of the battery is a substrate called NADH. And this is the end product of all the nutritions breaking down from the glucose to the beta oxidation of the fats to the proteins you know the amino acids and then the next this is the this is the plus i'm sorry the minus end and then the plus end of the battery is the copper and the copper holds the oxygen so oxygen comes from the blood it diffuses through the blood to the end organ which is goes through this little nanobattery.

So imagine it's like a micro nanoscale thing. And oxygen is kept right there where the plus of the battery is. And hydrogen is kept where the minus of the battery is. And this is very fluid and adaptive. It depends. So NADH comes from nutrition and oxygen comes from breath. So the two things are the two sides of the battery. And then the electrons go between that and from the NADH go to the oxygen. Very similar to what happens in like photosynthesis and the solar panels, right?

This process of going from here to there inside inside the membrane, creates electromagnetic potential. And this electromagnetic potential basically drives the energy that's locked in quants in the ATP. ATP are the dollars in the body. So you cannot store them. You use them or you lose them. Or they're made on demand. And that's why I call the muscle mass, the skeletal muscle mass, the generator of energy in the body.

Because everything else sort of gets like a steady state by the age of 23 maybe. And the only other tissue that changes in a good way is the muscle mass. So that's where the quants are. And once you zoom in, it's almost like a fractional geometry. It looks very confusing, but once you break it down, it just becomes one line, and you can actually see the ends of the line. How much oxygen you give, how much NADH you can create so your body can meet the needs of the ATP

without going into like this other side biochemical reactions that creates environment to unlock epigenetics that creates the disorder. And, you know, to simplify that, so you go from this nano, you explain, you visualize it, and you realize that, yes, if I didn't exercise today, I should not eat. Because what happens is that, especially like after age of, you know, 40, we think exercise is a hobby. And it is not because of this exact reason if you don't exercise you don't have like the skeletal muscle mass the only the only the only muscle mass that actually requires a little bit more uh by this i mean oxygen and pulls all this uh lakes of static blood that like in the liver in

the spleen in the lower extremities especially if especially if you sit and stand up all day, this blood doesn't circulate. So all the hemoglobin, which is basically iron, gets, let's call it rustic. And if on top of this, you have higher glucose that creates bad hemoglobin, you drop the oxygen in inappropriate places. So that's where the nano comes, the quantum chemistry, because everything comes down to one molecule. And there are like trillions of them, of course. And for a long time, when you're young, you can ignore,

you can ignore like little things, you know. But then when you get older and you start like hitting the bottom, you have to like think in that way you have to you have to become very um impeccable uh into like managing your energies and your energies are like what you eat because everything that comes in what you eat understand how you digest what you eat and then how you breathe and the only way you can improve breathing and i mentioned in women you know improve breathing by developing the upper body and focusing on the upper upper body musculature uh and many women ignore this because you focus on the beauty and aesthetics and it's

not necessarily the healthy choice and by, you're improving the oxygen delivery. And nothing in physiology is bad or good. You know, it can be bad or good. It's just you want this optimal, optimal for you. You know, what's good for me probably is horrible for you, Travis, or maybe even better for you, Anders. Everybody is so different. And we're different at the same time, you know, to make it even more complicated.

It changes during seasons. Every day depends on what you take, you know, at this period of our lives. So that's the tool I want to build, something that helps you adapt. The adaptability is life and health and success. And, yeah, the adaptability comes down to this understanding. understanding i feel like people that understand and they see they're much more uh careful and particular and wise the choices they make yeah um when it comes to those choices like as

as we get older like what are obviously we, uh, a podcast that talks about lifting weights and we love lifting weights. Um, but what kind of, um, on the activity side or sports side, or, uh, would you consider to be kind of like the, the best routes to go as people are looking for kind of optimizing their health over time? So, uh you're not gonna like what i'm gonna say but i i have been working 15 years uh and um and i did it on myself first and my family uh and all these fools that follow me so i believe that if you don't exercise you should not eat it's like if you feel hungry you shouldn't you should like develop that instinct that you have to exercise right and uh i uh so when you when i was like

younger like tennis and a little running a little yoga was good enough for me but as i age i am just i i have to i have to do resistant training so So I do it every day. And I, for example, we're very different. My husband works on different muscle groups, you know, in different days. He also works out every day. And it could be anywhere between 10 minutes to hour and a half, depends on your time,

depends on how good you feel. But I don't skip a day. I believe that if you're going to eat, you have to keep up your muscle and a half depends on your time depends on how good you feel but i don't skip a day i don't believe i believe that if you're gonna eat you have to keep up your muscle because the dna the dna and the rna the the environment you create from that like you know sponging out the need nothing can compensate i think 24 hours is too long like if i I don't exercise, I'm hungry. I don't feel well. I don't sleep well. I feel it and objectively can see it. And then, you know, this is the resistance and muscle. I personally am very focused on my upper body and the core muscles because, you know,

five years ago, my HRV started like cropping down because my hormones start dropping and uh the and i try all kinds of things i do like cleansing i increase my sleep i took supplements oh everything you can imagine and then i i signed for a you know a friend of mine started crossfit and she's like come with me and i did it for like you know maybe like less than three weeks and my hrv increased 25 i felt better and i was like oh my gosh this is me this is what i needed uh and now now i'm addicted to it in a very good way because i do it in a way that i don't i don't have to travel with my uh oh, here, you know, like right here. Every time I feel a little jittery, that's like my marijuana, right?

So I feel good when I do it. And then for the cardiovascular, you know, when I used to do a lot of surgeries and work in a hospital, I used to take the stairs or drink a coffee. And now I can't afford that because coffee makes me crazy uh so in my house I have like stairs so I just like I run 10 times up and down up and it's like my coffee shop and also like my show my heart rate now goes to like 195 and that keeps me up so I calculate all these numbers for my patients and I give them their specific goals and numbers, what to look for. And my, and again, I think if you're going to sleep every day, if you're going to eat every day, you have to exercise every day. There's no, there's no exceptions.

And you know, just wait to see, get our feedback. Is it going to be like Anders when you're like the 80-20 rule? Yeah, I was also teeing up when we first met, we talked about tennis a little bit. And that is, in my opinion, it's like the sport we get to play forever. I think you're a big tennis player, right? Yeah, tennis is amazing because you

jump and i feel like every time you jump the same thing you're running there's something with the diaphragm and the muscle just the whole breathing synchronizes with the brain and just brings you like this happiness you know you do it for for 45 minutes and then you dopamine search and you feel calm and like great i think that tennis is is going to be when I no longer have children running around my house, the sport that I'll end up playing for a very long time. It's like, it's very athletic.

You sprint and you have to play for like two hours. You got to move side to side. There's jumping, hand-eye coordination, competition, friendship, high fives at the end. Absolutely. Yeah.

It's a, if you were to, if you were to line tennis and golf up of like the two sports that people like, that people like to play for a very long time into the late years, tennis dominates golf. Yeah. Actually studies have shown the people that play tennis, they live with like almost 20 longer, healthier years. Yeah. I think the tennis is, I think, I think we're in, we're, we're,

Doug, were we in Vegas? And we were, as we were all talking about, like the, the, the thing that you would like, what is like the sports you want to do or like, what would you want to do? And this was the tennis was my answer. Everybody thought I was going to choose surfing, which I love surfing too. I love surfing too. I'm all about pickleball now. Pickleball is awesome too.

I love it. I love our pickleball. We got a great athlete. He's becoming my favorite. I'm not going to say names. I haven't asked if I could, but he's the best. We got to get you connected with our – we coached the number one pickleball player in the world, dude.

We've got to get you on his team. I'm working with the number one pickleball player from you guys. Oh, nice. You're doing it all. Oh, yeah. He's the man. I love it. Oh, yeah.

Sick. There you go. Right. I didn't know you got brought into that team. Good work. He is the man. I love it. Just slays people out there. I turn on his YouTube channel and you go, oh, this is unfortunately, most

of the time when you're driving around the park and you see the pickleball, you go, I don't want to be a part of that game at all. That is not impressive. When you see them boys actually getting after it. My guy will kick your ass. It'll make you look silly. Yeah, it's a significant silly yeah yeah it's it's uh it's a significant yeah it's like really badass ping pong yeah yeah and he loves weightlifting man he loves it like yeah talking about cleans and like that's crazy and what about rock climbing rock climbing is another very favorite thing also yeah beast that one doesn't have the cardiovascular benefits

of it the car the rock climbing yeah depends on how long you're on that rock bro like i mean it's very very cardio it's everything actually it's like finance and it involves the core and the breathing and you know just like this depends on what process applying you know like if you go to the i i used to run, believe it or not, my first real job when I was at the Limbit Training Center, I managed a world gym and we had an indoor rock climbing center. It was, we actually had the junior national there. I wouldn't call that cardiovascular because it was, you know,

they're pretty quick up the wall, but, you know, you go up a big mountain, you're on that you know basin 30 minutes and also like for your mental state it's uh just like planning every movement and be so conscious of everything you do and you're in tune with you know the entire system it's crazy it's scary i did a little bit and i'm like um yeah rock climbing. I feel like the adventure part of it is, it's a big, big, big piece of that as well.

You got to go practice. Don't just do it in the gym. You got to go out and do it. Right. So Dr. Camelia really stoked. We get to play on the same team and work with a couple of the same people. And where can people find you and learn more about your practice?

I, I have, you know, and where can people find you and learn more about your practice? You can schedule a free intro call with me on my website, quantumheartinc.com. Just like a name I came up with almost 20 years ago. And you just see that everybody's telling me, this is a very unsuccessful business because no one understands what it is.

It's too long. It's not something easy to is. It's the lung. It's not like, you know, something easy to remember. But anyway, www.quantumheartinc.com. Is that I N C? Yeah.

There you go. Oh, Inc. There you go. Quantumheartinc.com. I love it. Beautiful. And you're,

you're based out of New York. Do you work with people all around the country? I do. I do. I do because I also use allopathic medicine when I work with patients. Some of them need a little bit of tuning with certain medications in the prescription, but this is the one only I can do only in New York state because that's why I'm licensed to. But the rest of the product I'm using, which is lifestyle tracking, implementing changes that are very targeted.

And to the point I work with people all over, mostly people in, you know, on the East coast and Texas and the West coast. I love it. Go Travis Bash. Bashlead.com. Uh, you can read my articles for free at Jim wear.com or come see me. Try out North Carolina area.

It gives me a rise in door sports. I love it. Douglas C. Larson bet on Instagram, Douglas C. Larson. And I am Anders Warner at Anders Warner and we are Barbara shrugged to Barbara underscore shrugged and make sure you get over to Rta lab.com that is the signature program inside rapid health optimization and you can check out

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