Barbell Shrugged - Training, Nutrition and Lessons Learned w/ 4x Mr. Olympia Jeremy Buendia - Real Chalk #104

Episode Date: December 3, 2019

This episode has some training secrets, nutrition talk, and some life lessons learned by one of the most decorated bodybuilders of all time. It’s not every day you get someone on the show who is willing to talk about all the things that made them successful and the things they wish they could have changed. Truly was an honor to have this man on and and I know you’re going to love it! Get ready for an awesome show. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Show notes: http://www.shruggedcollective.com/rc-ep104 ----------------------------------------------------------------   ► Subscribe to Shrugged Collective's Channel Here http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedSubscribe 📲 🎧 Listen to the audio version on the Apple Podcast App or Stitcher for Android Here- http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedApple http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedStitcher Shrugged Collective is a network of fitness, health and performance shows that help people achieve their physical and mental health goals.  Usually in the gym, but outside as well. In 2012 they posted their first Barbell Shrugged podcast and have been putting out weekly free videos and podcasts ever since. Along the way we've created successful online coaching programs including The Shrugged Strength Challenge, The Muscle Gain Challenge, FLIGHT, Barbell Shredded, and Barbell Bikini. We're also dedicated to helping affiliate gym owners grow their businesses and better serve their members by providing owners tools and resources like the Barbell Business Podcast. Find Shrugged Collective and their flagship show Barbell Shrugged here: SUBSCRIBE ON ITUNES ► http://bit.ly/ShruggedCollectiveiTunes WEBSITE ► https://www.ShruggedCollective.com INSTAGRAM ► https://instagram.com/shruggedcollective FACEBOOK ► https://facebook.com/ barbellshruggedpodcast TWITTER ► http://twitter.com/barbellshrugged

Welcome back everybody. It's Tuesday and it's time for another episode of Real Chalk. This time I have Mr. Jeremy Buendia on the show. He's a four-time Mr. Olympia physique champion. So this is the first time we've had like a true, you know, very well-decorated bodybuilder on the show. I had a lot of questions for him that I was really excited about, like how do you train? What are some of your favorite training methods? He actually talked about not even squatting for one of his biggest shows and how he just did hamstring curls and leg presses and leg extension. Sorry. And I was like, wow, this is just some incredible, incredible stuff.

He even talks about the insane diets that he has to do from time to time to put weight on. And it's an amazing show. I mean, it's very rare that you're going to get Mr. Olympia champion even talking about any part of his routine for absolutely free for you guys to listen to. So I think you guys should even take notes on this thing. It is really, really awesome. And Jeremy even dives into a little bit of his life story and some lessons he's learned and just all sorts of stuff. And I really, really hope you guys dig it. I really hope you guys share it with all of your friends. Tag me, tag Jeremy. This is going to go down like no joke as one of my all-time favorite episodes because I just love getting people of this caliber who are just sharing their secrets. It's so fun and it's why I started podcasting. So I'm so, so pumped.

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and let's go. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back. It's Tuesday, another episode of Real Chalk. This time I'm right across the street from my new house. Really exciting. And we're in the vault. I'm going to call it the vault. It's this place kind of like we work, right next door to the gym. And it's an exciting place. And it's more exciting now having Jeremy Buendia here. Four time, Mr. Olympia, really excited to have you on the podcast because most of the followers in my podcast are probably functional fitness people, CrossFit people. They own gyms. They're in the fitness space. Um, they're looking for business advice a lot of the time or, or, um, fitness advice. So what I'm really excited to dig into is just basic bodybuilding principles. So who better to have on than the man himself? So

I'm looking really forward, looking forward to being on here with you. And, um, you know, I have a lot of respect for what you've accomplished in your years. And, you know, I've been doing a little homework on you the last week after we met, about two weeks ago. Yep. And what you accomplished is really inspiring. So to see other people out here hustling and doing things like you are in fitness, I definitely am happy to be here.

Dude, I'm excited. So I saw you in the gym. For those of you out there, you guys know that I've had some problems with my knees and stuff. So I started going to 24-Hour Fitness. I saw this guy, and I was like, I know this guy. I've seen him on the gram. And then I was like, should I go over and talk to him? Or like, how would I feel if someone went over and talked to me? And then I was like, well, I'll just wait till he's done working out. And then he was

like hanging out. And I was like, Hey man, I have this really cool podcast. Like it's really, really big. I promise. I'm not just saying I have a podcast like everybody else. It's, it's actually really big and you should be on. Um, and he was, you know, obviously really nice to me. So it was, it was good anyway. So, um, I appreciate that. Thank you very much. And it actually reminded me when you, when you commented on that post and said, dude, that's an awesome story. And I was like, Oh wow. He actually took the time. Cause that was like kind of a long read. And so that gave me more respect for you too. That means you're actually on your Instagram. Cause there's a lot of people with huge followings like you and they're not on their instagram yeah i don't follow too many

people i think i follow like around 500 people and yeah the people i do follow they if i follow somebody's because they provide some sort of value but what i think is cool because you know for any of the followers that you have that are listening to this podcast right now is like you answer your messages yeah i'm on there yeah that's fucking cool you know what i mean like there's a lot of people they pay people to do that stuff. And you commented on my post. You answered your DMs relatively quickly. To even say relative when someone has 3 million followers is pretty amazing. So I commend you for that.

Thank you. Let's talk about how you first got into bodybuilding because it sounded to me from some of the stories that I had heard. We chatted a little bit before we started. It sounded like you had some back issues and it kind of pushed you in the direction of bodybuilding. Yeah. I mean, I grew up in a weight room. My dad was a weightlifter, so that was his hobby. How old were you when you started lifting?

I was in a weight room since I was a toddler. So did I start lifting myself? I was messing with the weights when I was like five years old. My dad had me doing pull-ups, push-ups, bar dips at the age of five or six. Oh, you know what? I've seen videos of you and your dad working out together. Yeah. That's really cool.

He still does it. He's 65 years old, but he's the one that got me into it. And he was the dad that got up every single morning. I woke up hearing the weights clinking in the garage and you know, I looked up to my dad, you know, he was my idol and I wanted to be just like him. So, you know, seeing how hard he pushed and going out to the practices and seeing all the kids fascinated how big buff my dad was. It was always really cool. And I looked up to my dad a lot for that. And it was something we were able to bond over.

He took a lot of time to coach me up as a kid in all sports. You know, he worked full time. You know, he took care of the family. But he'd travel. He would literally fly across the country for a meeting and fly home to get home in time for my practice that night. He'd hit me ground balls until sunset. You know, that's the type of dad he was. And he really pushed me to be my best and didn't ever let me settle for anything but that. And, um, he expected a lot from me. And I think that's why I expect a

lot from myself now. That's cool. So your first bodybuilding competition, I think you just recently posted a photo of it, which is pretty interesting. Um, how old are you? I was 17 there 17, two weeks after I graduated high school. Wow. Yeah. And you were how high, how tall and how much did you weigh? Um, same height as I'm now five, seven. I was probably 147 pounds though. 147 pounds. Wikipedia has given you an extra inch just so you know, Wikipedia does a lot of things in my name. Um, but, um, you know, that was my first show. I was getting ready for that as i was graduating high school so all the senior activities getting ready you know i was prepping bring my meals to

school you know nobody bodybuilder back then my area so it was really foreign to everybody i was the weirdo i'd bring tilapia and rice six meals to school and protein shakes and you're 17 16 17 years old 17 that's really really good dedication there. Yeah. I mean, I had made a story about today. I was like, hey, I'm going to have Jeremy Buendia on the show if you guys have any questions, whatever. And someone said, like, that guy for sure has more, like, concentration and dedication on his sport than anyone I've ever met. He, like, wrote this really nice thing about you. It was really cool to read. And he was asking me to ask you, like, how do you stay so dedicated?

But I think the answer is, you know, it was instilled in you while you were a young age with your dad. It was just a certain will, man, within yourself that you got to have in order to achieve a certain level of greatness. Yeah. And my aspirations growing up and the way my dad put my head as a young kid was you are destined for something big. He told you that? Yeah.

Oh, that's great. A hundred percent. My mom was kind of like that. I didn't have a dad growing up, but my mom was the expectations just set high for me. And they always were. There was never, I was never given an inch. So even when, even in school, you know, I remember homecoming sophomore year and my girlfriend just got to the house. Their mom, my report card came in. I got an a minus. My dad was like, why is there a minus behind the A? I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, well, maybe you shouldn't be going to homecoming if you're distracted. And my girlfriend's mom was like, are you kidding me?

So that's like the level of discipline. My dad's Filipino. So like there's definitely – Are you full blown? I'm half Filipino. My mom's American. But, you know, there's a lot of discipline in the household. My grandfather was in the military. My dad grew up in a real strict household and, um, it just kind of transpired,

but, um, I wouldn't take anything back. You know, it's, I grew up with a very tough, tough childhood. My dad was real hard on my brother and I, but, um, in the end, you know, it taught me a lot of things about, you know, work ethic that I've applied today still. Was there anything that you wanted to do besides bodybuilding as you were growing up? Um, I've always been into fitness. I, of course I want to be a professional athlete, but the height got stopped at five foot seven. So did my football career. But other than that, you know, I was really into, I was good in school. I liked science. I liked the human body. Um, I went to UC Davis after high school and I studied exercise biology.

Um, same. I went, did you go to UC Davis? I school and I studied exercise biology. Um, I went, did you go to UC Davis? I went to university of Utah though. Okay. Right on. So I ended up going there. I wasn't the type of student that could sit and lecture and just listen and learn. Like I had to go back, study, study, study, and study. And when you're on a university system like that, that's moving at such an accelerated rate and you have a teacher doesn't speak English, it makes it really hard. So I kind of fell behind a little bit at UC Davis and um you know it was the first time I struggled in school and I really really tried and of course being a freshman too and being 17 at college it was it was a tough transition um but I managed to get back on track

the second semester and pull my GPA back up to 3.5. And then I actually, my lung collapsed on me. Whoa. I had to leave school and recover from that. And I didn't actually finish my first year. I finished it at the JC. Were you still bodybuilding at the time? I was up one year. I took off.

Okay. Freshman year of college. The year I took off, I was, I think I was 18. What does that mean? Your lung collapsed. So I was born with bleps in my lungs, like these little blisters. And when they pop your lung, it causes a hole in your lung and your lung collapses. And then those blisters rejuvenate themselves. So the first time it happened, I was seven years old. It was a freak

thing. Um, we thought it was from swimming or something. And then went in, they put a chest tube in me, lung fixes itself, goes back up a year later, happened again, a year later happened again. So 10 years old we're like okay this isn't a freak thing there's something wrong with me so they ended up doing an MRI and CAT scans and they found bleps on my lungs and the doctor had to go in and he had to cut out half of my half my top of my right lung wow so I don't have a full right lung does that mean that you're not that good at cardio um no my DLT levels are actually normal now my lungs have built themselves up.

It took a while. It took a year or two for me to do a lot of lung therapy. So when that happens, are you just not working out for like a month or something? So last time it happened at UC Davis, I knew it happened. I felt it. I'm like, oh, shoot. I could feel my little pressure in your chest. I could start getting a horse cough.

I was a little bit short on breath. I'm like, damn. I was working out with my buddy. My lung's collapsing. He's like, what? I'm like, just call the ambulance. I'm going to finish my workout. I know I'm not going to be training for a few weeks. So I finished, I had like a couple of sets of rows left. I did my rows and walked out to the front of the gym and wait for the ambulance to pick me up. So it didn't

actually, that time wasn't that bad though. The collapse is only small as a small hole. So it healed itself. I didn't have to get a chest tube or anything, but it's been 10 years since. And I'm hoping it doesn't happen again. Wow. Dude, I'm having, this is the first stent

since I was like 12. I just had surgery in my arm where I've not been able to work out and I'm like going crazy. Yeah, it's rough.

I've had a rough last few years. I had multiple surgeries actually. Really? On what? I had my pec, I tore my pec off the bone in the end of 2017.

So January 2018, I had my pec. I tore my pec off the bone in the end of 2017. So January 2018, I had full pec construction. Tendon off the bone, muscle off the tendon, cadaver graft in my chest. That was a long recovery. I was projected to not even compete in 2018. They told me I was going to be nine months before I could even lift weights again. I got back in the gym three months later. Wow. I competed in Olympia nine months before I could even lift weights again. So I got back in the gym three months later. Wow. I competed in Olympia nine months after my surgery.

Wow. Yeah. What did the doctor say when you were going in for your checkups and such? Because if you're talking about nine months. The first two checkups, he was like, yeah, hopefully you'll be able to compete. Don't be too optimistic. This is a really bad tear. The third checkup, I went in there.

He's like, yeah, man, this isn't going to happen. Like, you're just not going to work. And I was heartbroken. Like, I remember leaving the office to call my dad. Like, it's over. My career's done. So did you just say, fuck it, I'm going to try to work out? No, no, I thought it was done for a little while. I listened to the doctor and, you know, I was like, I was pretty upset for a little while. And I was trying to game plan what I'm going to do after my career, you know, what am I going to do off the stage? And I started doing some traveling. I was pretty upset for a little while, and I was trying to game plan what I'm going to do after my career, what I'm going to do off the stage. And I started doing some traveling. I was still training a little bit here and there, and then I started feeling better,

and I started to get back after my training, and I started putting size on pretty quickly. And within six weeks, I blew up pretty good. My coach looked at me. We were like 10 or 11 weeks out from Olympia. He's like, I think you can do it. I was like, yeah, right. He's like, no, seriously. You put on some size. I mean, coach, if you're serious about this, tell me, and I was like, yeah, right. He's like, no, seriously. You put on some size with me.

Coach, if you're serious about this, tell me, and I'm going to win this thing. Yeah. He's like, let's do it. I was like, all right, game on. And, you know, I put my heart and soul into the 10, 11-week, 12-week prep. And, honestly, like I was the best I was ever like four days out from Olympia last year. Or, yeah, last year, 2018. And, um, I was, I was so confident going into Vegas, uh, to get my fifth consecutive title. And, um, that's how tricky bodybuilding is, is that your physique can be so amazing leading up. And those last, that last week, those last

three or four days can completely manipulate how you look. If I would've looked the way I looked on Tuesday or Wednesday, I would have been hands down the winner in 2018. But the, the water manipulation, the carbon manipulation, the sodium manipulation, we didn't nail that, that those last three days and affect my body and my body went backwards. And I ended up not looking my best on Saturday. So that's all the stuff that I'm really excited to talk about. So since you started bodybuilding, even bodybuilding now for obviously a very, very, very long time, let's start with like bodybuilding, like bodybuilding now for obviously a very very very long time let's start with like bodybuilding like bodybuilding splits what's like your favorite splits like and do you change it often i do a five-day split man five-day split i very rarely am changing now i've been on a five-day

split for years does that mean the other two days you're taking off or you're doing cardio it depends on how i'm feeling usually it's one day off a week and i'll just on a five-day five-day roto so it's not monday tuesday wednesday chest back whatever it's not Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, chest, back, whatever. It's whatever day I have balls on. If I'm feeling good, then I train. If I'm not, then I'll take a day off. So you just go straightly off of feel? Yeah. I like that.

I do. I don't like taking days off in the gym. That's what I do for fun. If I'm not in the gym, I don't feel productive that day. Same. It's what I do for work. Even when I'm in there, it's content. But are you typically taking two days off?

No. No. Okay. Especially during prep, I'm taking two days off no no okay no probably during especially during prep i'm never taking days off okay maybe i once every month so what's it what's your split look like is it like you know chest back chest and back same day or chest monday tuesday back um usually maybe a day off there or i'll hit arms depending on my biceps from back then i'm going to lay day after my back gets a rest from one day from back day, go legs, then shoulders.

Then we'll do arms and then either rest and then chest. I never trained triceps before chest and every train bicep before back. I never trained shoulders before chest because of the secondary muscles that you're training when you're trying to hit the major mover. So if I'm targeting chest, it is a bigger muscle group than triceps, I want my triceps to be fresh so I can get maximum push out of my chest. If I can be able to push more weight with fresh triceps, I'm going to get more pressure and overload on the chest.

I'm more growth and more volume out of it. Opposed to training my triceps prior, them being 70%, I'm not going to be able to press as much weight and put as much stress on my chest because the triceps are giving out. Same thing with the shoulders. Perfect. So when you go into the gym, do you have a plan necessarily in terms of like periodization? Like, are you adding 5% every week or are you just going to failure on, on new and different shit every time? Are you like, what is your, what is your

plan? Cause I went to Colorado and I worked out at Phil Heath's gym. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was awesome. Have you been there yeah so um i remember work you know you know waddy body my boy man so waddy and i are like real close so i trained with waddy um because i was podcasting another guy there who trained with him and he's like hey do you want to do you want to uh jump in this session with me i know you don't really bodybuild but i'm i have this this guy he's he's great he'll love you and i was like all right cool yeah let's do it so i met waddy I don't know if he saw, I don't know if he saw me or not. His eye is like, Oh, he's great. That guy's, he's a savage man.

Dude. He's a really cool guy. I actually talked to him all the time. Now he's, he's amazing. He's so cool. Anyway, he loves, that guy loves what he does anyway. Um, it was interesting to me when I trained with him, I always thought like bodybuilders had like a plan and like blah, blah, blah. And he's, I was like, what do you with him i always thought like bodybuilders had like a plan and like blah blah blah and he's i was like what do you do with your with your bodybuilders and he's like dude honestly like i just change shit up every single time we have a different we we don't have like a full plan we just you know we just do different stuff and i remember it was the first time i had ever done hamstring curls on a machine with him where he was holding my leg and like making me do like three or four second

concentrics and eccentrics it was like one lift took like 10 seconds and i was doing like sets of 15 and then we'd superset it with something else and blah blah blah so sorry that was a long explanation but do you go in with a plan or do you like to just change shit up all the time i never i never have a plan so i have a general format the way I train. I'm fucking so pumped right now. Mr. Olympia, like, tell me he does not have a plan. I love it. I have a general format of the way I train, certain principles that I follow.

I trained with Hany Grambod for the first six years of my career. He coached me for my four Olympia titles. He's coached Phil Heath, Jay Cutler. He's got most winning coach in all of Olympic history. I've talked to him on the phone before. Great guy. I learned a lot from him. So he used the FST training system.

It's the FST-7 training system, which is what I utilize the majority of my career. A lot of my roots are based off of FASIA strength training. 7-7 is representing for the number of sets that we do at the end of a workout. So the idea behind our type of training, the basis behind FSC seven and basically bodybuilding altogether as a whole is to try to generate as much blood flow and volume as possible to the muscle. Okay. When you're generating more blood flow and oxygen to the muscle, you're going to create more pump, more micro tears within the fascia. And when that happens, when those micro tears are created, that's where the growth occurs. Okay. We're

tearing down and breaking down the muscles in the gym. It's when you're going home and you're eating and you're resting is when you're replenishing your body and getting the nutrients in your muscles. So when those tears happen, all the nutrients and proteins, everything we take in, go in and basically it heals it like a scar, like a cut on your arm. The tissue heals up stronger, just like the muscles. So the whole idea when you're training, you know, as a bodybuilder, yeah, you want to push more weight because it puts more pressure and more tension on the muscle, but it's about blood flow. If you can't go in there and pump out the set or if you're not feeling the weight and just going through motions, you're not going to get everything out of it. You can go in and press 400 pounds for a couple reps, but controlling 225 under control and manipulating the weight from point a all the way through to point b

is how you're really going to grow kai green had a good good quote the difference between a weightlifter and a bodybuilder is a weightlifter is concerned from getting a weight from point a to point b and a bodybuilder is concerned with everything in between point a and point b oh i like that so all right so you're going in you have a different plan every time is there what what makes you decide between four sets and eight sets because that would be like manipulating the amount of volume you're doing so are you ever manipulating the amount of volume or does it just go off a feel um i usually do like i usually start off my workout with the major mover so i'll do usually the heaviest or strongest exercise i need to do. I always do dumbbell incline for chest, my favorite exercise for growth.

Squats on leg day, back day, deadlift or bent over row. And then I branch off. I usually do maybe six or seven sets, eight sets there, a couple of warm-up sets, four or five working sets. And then when my regular exercise that I do throughout the rest of the workout, usually four or five different exercises, and I'm only hitting probably four sets. So what is that, like 24 sets per workout roughly? So are you keeping that in mind that you're doing 24 sets?

No, not at all. No, I just go until I feel like I'm not doing anything for myself anymore. You can't be in the gym too long either. You know, as a bodybuilder, your body only has so much muscle glycogen stored. If you blow through your muscle glycogen, your body's going to start searching for other energy within your body, and that's stored body fat and lean muscle tissue. And when bodybuilders are as lean as we are, we don't have that body fat to burn, so our body's going to need to pull in from our own muscle. So you've got to make sure that you're getting in and getting out in a reasonable amount of time, getting your body fed, getting the right nutrients in it.

You know, immediately after my workout, if I have to do cardio, I've got to get my BCAs in right after I work out because if I hop on a cardio machine, my body's already in the negative and it's going to start pulling for my muscle. And that cardio is not going to be doing anything for me. So you don't like to separate your cardio and your weightlifting? I do. I do cardio. I do fast cardio in the morning. When I'm on prep, it's fast cardio in the morning. And then I do, I eat two or three meals and then I go to the gym and I do cardio after. Okay. I always do my cardio. My body is depleted. I was going to say, cause you sound like you were depleted and you're going to do cardio. You want to do cardio depleted because your bio will tap into body fat.

You don't want to burn. You don't want to have any glycogen storage when you're doing cardio cause you're just pulling from, you know, whatever you've been eating. So how long do you like to be in the gym for? Are you a 60 minute or 90 minute guy? Uh, 90, 90. I'm probably there two hours. I stretch and warm up good okay i spend a lot i've been focusing a lot on the functionality and stretching in the last four or five months have you found a trend between like the top guys are they doing more stretching and warming up and stuff than most they don't nobody's posting that on social media you don't it's a highlight reel man that's what i'm saying social media is a highlight reel you don't really get to see

everything about these guys you know the best athletes in the world don't they don't they're not going to share their deepest secrets you know so i don't know because it really i to me it blows my mind to know how big these guys are and the way they train if they aren't doing functional stuff how are they moving you know like how do they feel okay i know that i'm in a really good shape i'm'm a very good athlete. Like my flexibility is good, but I'm in pain still. So if I'm hurting, how bad are they hurting? You know, my roommate, he's not really into fitness. You know, he works downtown. You know, I was working on, I was working on his back yesterday. I do tissue therapy for my friends and my girlfriend or whatever, but, um, I was working on his back yesterday and he's just so messed up. I'm like,

why am I always complaining about hurting? And you're not when you're literally a human pretzel you know your trap is above your ear and you're not complaining like how and then i saw him get on a balance board he's doing like single leg squats on a balance board but yet the guy can't squat 135 of a proper form but yet he could do a single leg squat on a balance board you put me on a balance board i'm gonna fall on my face but even posing you need to be flexible i would assume absolutely yeah yeah but there's a difference between flexibility and strength my flexibility is good but you put my put those muscles under some weight right now there's nothing like my adductors are shot they're so they have been so locked up that after releasing them and getting them active again

after putting some little bit of weight on them, they're so weak. And that just goes to show my form has been off. I've been compensating with other muscles for so long. You know, I've been the moment I opened up and tried doing the sumo squat with proper form, like, you know, the form goes down the drain once you add a little bit onto the load. Okay. So now you go from, so when you're bulking, the only difference for you is probably just eating more. Is that pretty much it? Yeah, your training changes a little bit. So we are – rest time is going to be a little bit more in between.

You want to keep your heart rate a little bit lower. And you're not doing any cardio or are you doing some? It depends on my weight. So right now I'm not really gaining because my metabolism hasn't really been – I haven't been eating as much. So I'm not burning yet. I'm not trying to do cardio right now because I'm trying to gain. Because there is that common notion that if you want to bulk, you should not do any cardio. So I was wondering what your opinion is on that.

If you're able to catch up – if you're able to eat the amount of food to catch up to the cardio you're doing, then I encourage you because it's going to speed up your metabolism. It's going to make your body more efficient. If you're able to stay ahead with the food and eat as much, including taking into account all the calories you're burning during cardio, then more power to you because you're going to be growing a lot faster if you're able to stay up to that. But a lot of people aren't able to do the cardio, stay on top of as much food as they need to eat, and still grow because that's so much food you've got to eat. You've got to factor in the amount of calories you're burning with the cardio. I want to get into the diet stuff later for sure. Put it back at the end of calories you're you're burning with the cardio i want to get into that stuff later for sure back to that in your diet yeah it's let's remember that part so now when it comes to cutting how does your training change um cardio is the main is the main thing we definitely up our cardio so the training is similar it's very similar yeah um as you get leaner and as you get closer to showtime, the amount of weight load decreases.

Your body gets drier. Joints get drier. Your body fat is down, so risk of injury becomes more prevalent. And obviously, your energy levels are going to be sacrificed as well being in a negative caloric deficit. So you've got to be really careful. So when you're training, you've really got to focus on contractions and not trying to exert yourself or put yourself at risk of injury. Okay.

I've heard some things like from not Waddy, but the guy that was training with him, this guy named Dave, and he was saying that he doesn't like doing push-pulls unless he's cutting. I mean, did you agree with that? I thought that was a very interesting thing, like push-pull combo, like a bench pull-up combo. On the same day? Yeah.

That just seems like a lot of energy being spent on your workout. I just know how tired I am when I'm prepping. So when you get down and single-digit body fat, your energy levels are shot. And I know how hard my back day is, and I know how hard my chest day is. There's no way I'll be able to do that one day okay and get everything out of it even like arms like doing triceps i do biceps triceps together that's the only thing i do together this is small muscle groups yeah all right cool um all right so now you go from bulking to cutting and then this style that you're talking about training the ramrod style what uh besides like changing the

the movements every day is there anything else that you are focused on or not really just looking just different intensity factors like um we've different principles that we utilize when we're training to make the the workout um more efficient but yet it's not going to put us at risk for injury of packing on extra weight so manipulating your reps like we discussed with wadi keeping your body under tension on the positive and the eccentric and concentric motion that's a way of making the exercise more intense more difficult for yourself when do you know when to do that when not to do it it's just it's based off feel for myself i incorporate as much as possible in my workouts you know i like like i said it's about

feel about volume so when you're feeling the pump you feel like you need to i like to do them like for instance when i'm sorry i'm stuttering no you're good um i just i've had all these questions i throw i throw those principles in like usually in the last two exercise of a set so i'll hit my heavy set on that workout and then i'll branch off and do some more of i call like precision work you know like more focused detailed work on a pump you know i'll do my heavy set and then i'll do two sets afterwards where I'm incorporating lighter weight and mixing up my, my technique. Okay. I feel that's the best way for me to, to volumize. You know, I always get a good pump from pushing a lot of weight, but then afterwards you come in there and you just do some fine tuning work. You get a really good blood flow.

Let's say you're doing back or chest for the day. How many different types of machines or movements are you doing? Five, six, five to six, five to six different movements. All right, cool. Maybe seven, I throw a superset in. I like that. So now, we got a good little routine from the Mr. Olympia.

So now, let's talk about diet. So when you say, you know, when you're bulking, keeping up with the calories and such, like what kind of numbers are we talking about?

That's the hardest part for me is eating. I haven't, the diet my coach wrote me two weeks ago, I haven't been able to keep up with. How many calories is that?

I would estimate close to 6,000. 6,000? At least 5,000. I'll tell you my breakfast. Pull it up real quick. Because I've heard bodybuilders talking about eating like 15,000, 20,000 calories. I was like, what? That doesn't even seem possible.

I'm only 190 pounds. So, you know, that's a lot of food for a man who weighs 190. And I don't have a big appetite. My first, my breakfast is 200 grams of steak, two slices of bread with jelly, 250 grams of oatmeal, two whole eggs, a cup of egg whites, a couple of apple juice, 150 grams of potatoes. Fuck. That's a lot of carbs. A lot of freaking food. That's just breakfast. That's just breakfast. And then how many more meals throughout the day do we have that are similar to that? Five that are like that? Five. And then I many more meals throughout the day do we have that are similar to that? Five. Five that are like that?

Five. And then I have 60 grams of casein and 200 grams of oatmeal, four slices of red and peanut butter before night, at night. What's the macro split on that if you don't mind? I don't know. I can't. I'd have to add it up. I couldn't tell you right now.

It's probably 350, maybe close to 400 protein with all the shakes. I would say probably 600, maybe close to 700 grams of carbs. I don't know. I haven't been able to eat all this food, honestly. I've probably gotten through like four and a half meals of this. And I'm like the breakfast, I eat that, like I'm still trying to catch up to it. So this would be a good time for me to start adding cardio to try to see what towels are to get me hungrier, to help me to catch up to the food. The only problem is I can't lose any weight, so eating is the factor. This sounds kind of serious to me, which makes me want to ask,

are you going to do another show? Oh, I'm competing. Oh, okay. I'm coming back this year. I announced that last month. Okay, I didn't know that. I'm coming back in 2020, yeah. It sounded like from questions I was getting

that you were retired. I retired after my last show. That was the whole idea. Some circumstances happened this past year, and the state is is calling me back i need to get back on there and um do what i do best and um you know i need to i want to walk away from the stage in a positive light and with people remembering my name for something great yeah and um you know we're not winning my last olympia taking fourth isn't really the way I wanted to walk away from the stage and just some of the other stuff that's happened since the last Olympia.

You know, I just feel like I need to change the narrative, recreate my story and, you know, try to, try to leave something behind that I can be a little more proud of. Okay. Is there anything right now that you want to bring up that you're not super proud of? You know, it's just, it's just, I started out really young in this sport, man. Like it, it's hard being. Oh, how old are you right now that you want to bring up that you're not super proud of? You know, it's just I started out really young in this sport, man. It's hard being – Oh, how old are you right now? I'm 29.

29. I won my first title at 23. I was pro at 22. What's normal? I don't even know. I mean, the guys are in their 30s, mid-30s. Oh, really? I was the youngest.

I've been the youngest one in the top five for like every year. Wow. Yeah. That makes it even more impressive. Thank you. Um, but you know, I just, it just beat out spoken and talking a lot and,

you know, getting caught up with the wrong people, you know, trusting the wrong people saying too much on the social media. Like sounds like Mike Tyson. That guy literally was the best and like got fucked by his friends and, and yeah, all those other people.

Actually, I got Mike Tyson a month ago. It's cool. Really? Tyson ranch. He should listen to his podcast with Tony Robbins. Yeah. Mike's a cool guy.

He's an interesting cat, man. He really is. Went over there. We spoke to Joy with him at Tyson Ranch. I love that. Talked about space. That was cool. I like that.

Cool. Very interesting guy. But it was cool. It's a cool dude. And I don't know. I kind of got a little sidetracked there. We were just discussing. Oh, I was just saying, like, you know, is there I kind of got a little sidetracked there, but we're just discussing. Oh,

I was just saying like, you know, is there anything that you want to talk about? Um, you know, it's just cause I don't actually know all the, any, any of the social media is,

uh, it's a, it's a scary place, man. It can be. It's a lot. There's a lot of, it's,

it's, it's a highlight reel for, for most people. And, you know, it's, it's a easy place for people to, to create narratives of whoever they want to. And people with a lot of followers that have

nothing to lose are real dangerous people, really dangerous people. When you have a platform and you have something to lose, you have to be really careful with what you say and what you do. And that's something that I didn't really understand when I was younger. Like I would post stories of me going out when I was drunk and posted on stories and there's nothing you can't do. You can't do that. You know, I wouldn't, I always look back at it like before I post something like with the rock posts that probably not. That's good. You know, like I look up to the rock, that guy is just an amazing human being, like who wouldn't want to emulate the rock for sure. I've met him in person and he's just

everything you would want, everything you expected him to be is. So that's what me being an influencer and moving up in the fitness industry, I want to be able to have that same impact on people when they meet me. And up until this point, I don't feel that I've really done a good job of creating that title for myself. I mean, I don't know all the things,

but I do know that my 20-something-year-old self is way different than my 30-something-year-old self right now. And like I think that anybody who's not at that age, let's say they're – if they're in their 20s right now, they're like, oh, yeah, he was being a dickhead or whatever. But like you wind up being 30. You look back, and you're like, oh, we were all fucking dickheads. A lot of it is, man, is like you're just trying to figure yourself out. I was so young getting thrown into the industry with all the top dogs like i was sitting at the table with philly jay cutler and honey rambod at the age of 23 years old these guys are the legends of the sport i'm just trying to fit in at that point you know i didn't really know

how to act what to say i was 23 years old and you know sit at table guys i've been looking at magazines how a kid yeah and i didn't really know what to do. And then you win. And then I win. And you know, then I feel like I got this false sense of entitlement, people blowing steam up my ass, making me feel great. And, you know, you got, get a little ahead of yourself at times. And, you know, it happens to a lot of people that experience success young, you know, and fortunately, you know, I've been very lucky with continuously moving forward, but we've had a lot of things that, you know, a lot of things, a lot of people that tried derailing you on the, on the way. And unfortunately, you know, we aren't all perfect. We make mistakes

in our lives and, you know, there's only, only so much you can do to, um, it's your personal life, man. Social media is personal life and nobody really knows the true story of anything. And the fact of the matter is, you know, whatever has been said about me, there's two sides of the story. And the people that are being the narrator of the story right now, no one's really taking a look at

the details behind that person. Like, why? What's their motive? Why would they invest so much time in trying to ruin somebody? Who are they? Why are they investing this? Why are they doing so much time in trying to ruin somebody? Who are they? Why are they investing this? Why are they doing that? You know, it's just a lot of it's for clout.

A lot of it's just being sick. Like, you know, I don't wake up in the morning ever and be like, I'm going to deliberately go on someone's page and just run my mouth. Like who does that? You know what I'm happy? These are people, you know, like, you know, Gary V. He always says, like, if someone has something negative to say on your page, they're in a much worse world than you are. I know, yeah. They're most likely in a bad place, right?

And it's hard to think that way. I've had people write – I don't like people not liking me though, man. Nobody does. Nobody does. Nobody does. So you'll have like 100 comments on a post, but you see the two that, hey, you're an asshole. And you're just like, oh, shit.

Yeah. But then you got 98 comments. You're great. For some reason, we don't see those 98 comments. We see i'm sure even the rock has out of the 10 000 i'm sure there's one that's like you're on steroids you're an idiot are we never right i'm sure you know but it's also you know becoming mature enough and and strong enough to be able to not let those people affect you and understand who you are as a person enough to not let it your thoughts about yourself nipsey had a i just saw i not, I wasn't a huge fan of Nipsey Hussle, but obviously

with him passing, he's been everywhere, but he had a quote was saying like, no man will ever have the, no, not one person will ever have the power over me to change the way I feel about myself or something along those lines. I like that. I was like, it's like, damn man. Like, how can I, you know, be so fortunate and let a couple of comments or some people affect the way I feel about myself or how I'm acting around the people around me? You know, it's, it's just, you can't let somebody have the power over you.

I think for me, like throughout my whole career and like the way things are going right now, I've always met like one particular person at a particular time. It's always like one. I think I've met maybe three or four people in my life at this point i'm 33 that have like when i met that person like my life changed dramatically have you been fortunate enough to meet someone recently who's who's who's done a lot of this like you know changing in your life or is it just you just trying to pick up the pieces and move on and all that stuff because it's nice to have i've done a lot of this on my own's nice to have, I've done a lot of this on my own, man.

I have, I've done a lot of this on my own. I've had a lot of people that I've been really close to have turned on me. And it's, it's, it's sad. Like it's even, even family,

you know, and it's because of social media, you know, it's like, I can't, I'm not going on there and, and, and defending the things you're saying,

cause I'm not trying to bring light to my 3 million followers, whereas they only have a couple hundred thousand. It's just bringing it to more people's attention. So I just, if I have someone to say, I'm going to DM somebody, I'll text them. I'll text them and let me decide on a comment. Um, but like, you know, family members will see YouTube videos or something about me and it just affects everything. Then I got to explain to them like, Oh, you know, why are they saying that? Why are they doing this? They said this about you.

They said that. I'm like, do you understand that this isn't real? It's not real. That's not what happened. So it's just, um, it's just a, it's a nasty place and it's sad seeing how many people are like support it. You know, like they, they think it's funny in the amount of people that are the news in general my mom gets so hyped on the news i'm like mom stop what about all the

shootings at the schools man like it's happening you know those kids are getting bullied yeah 100 they're getting bullied you know i could understand how somebody get bullied to a point where they just they can't handle it anymore they can't they're just they they're trapped they're they're they they're left with no other option they just they they're miserable i think i get it you know i've i felt i felt at a point where i just i felt like everybody hated me you know and it's it's a it's a terrible feeling because then you start looking at yourself and you're saying maybe they're right you know it's like and then then i catch this then you catch yourself like no they're not right i'm me i'm i'm you gotta remind yourself who you are then you remind yourself you gotta tell yourself you're a good person I'm me. You've got to remind yourself who you are. You've got to remind yourself.

You've got to tell yourself you're a good person. When someone tells you you're a bad person, you can't let them make you think that about yourself. Well, the whole reason the news exists is to get viewers, right? It's a sad thing about it, right? That's the news on TV. And my mom is sadly sucked into this news thing. So I feel like social media – this actually just hit me just now. I feel like this is going to be a good thing to say.

I feel like it's the millennial version of the news except it's with all your friends and your family. I just don't know why more can't be done with this whole bullying issue and stuff. Yeah. I don't know why. Who's making it cool? There should be certain words in a certain context that Instagram can pick up and just make it abusive. They do already have that. They just haven't applied it yet. It's crazy. Like if a Tesla car can drive itself, I think

they can filter this. You know, the thing is like, I, I deal with a lot of people that are DM me cause they see me get attacked on online. So then they reach out to me, the kids that get bullied and picked on, you know, how do you deal with this stuff? Well, how do you, you know, all I see messages, man, I got kids literally crying to me. Like, I don't know what to do with my life anymore. And it's, it's, it's insane. You know, I have a handful of guys that I talk to, you know, regularly because he's been going through a lot of shit and I'm worried about them.

Like they're just followers, man. I have this guy that from India that I've been going back and forth for a few months and he's been through some shit. And like, I don't want to grant it. He messaged me all the time, all the time. And it's like, really? Like you guy dresses like me every day. Like if I'm doing an exercise, he posted exercise the same day.

The guy loves me and I appreciate how much he loves me, but it's a little, a little extreme, but I was talking to my girlfriend last night. Cause he sent me this long message telling me all this stuff yesterday. She got a little weird. I'm like, I'm afraid if I don't respond to him that he might, you know, hurt himself or,

you know, I don't want, he's in a very fragile state right now. I don't, I gotta be nice to him. So it's just, there's, if,

if I'm able to, somebody with where I'm at, that's had the success that should have the confidence that I have. Imagine somebody that doesn't feel that way about themselves or hasn't done something that's being attacked. You know, it's just, what do they have to turn to to give them that reassurance? Like I can turn around and look at my Olympia medals and be like, I had there's some, you know, I am something about the person that hasn't done

anything. Yeah. They're going to turn to the corner. What they don't have that friend there, you know, to pick them up. I had a lot of good friends around my head the last few months that, you know, help me keep my head on straight to help me keep going forward. You know, some people don't have that, you know, and those are the people that get trapped, they get stuck and then they react, you know, when all this stuff could be handled and be, um, mediated a lot better if people will be taken more seriously. Well, I would feel like you're, you're probably your all time person.

You probably care the most about, it's probably your dad. Uh, care about my whole family. I love my whole family. I was going to say like, you know, how's your dad throughout all this stuff when this shit happens?

Does he stand behind you? Is the guy you've been working out with your whole life? It's a, it's a touchy subject, man. It really is. I mean, we might have our own personal family issues and, um,

we all do. It's just, uh, it's been a whirlwind, man. Like this whole social media thing has been a nightmare. But at the same time, I'm still standing here. I'm still moving forward. If the things that were said about me were true, I wouldn't be sitting right here.

I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror. So the fact is time will heal things and good people that do good things, they're going to persevere and that's what I'm trying to focus on is just waking up and being a good person every day. As long as you don't put any negative in the world, the negativity

is not going to come back. Honestly, I just try to wake up and help. I have my clients. I genuinely care and help. I have my clients. I genuinely care about them. I have my friends out. As long as you're staying positive and trying to do the right thing, it comes back. That's what I wanted to get into next was – sorry, we went a little bit too far down that road. Sorry.

Maybe not. Regardless, you have a lot of people who probably want to hear some of that stuff. So you are helping people now and I noticed that you are training people to do shows on your own, right? Yeah, I've been doing that for quite a while now actually. And I see you post pictures with them and you're pretty pumped for them and stuff like that.

What's your best finish you've had so far with someone? Have you gotten someone their pro card? Oh yeah, I've gotten probably 15 pro cards. Oh wow. Yeah, 15 pro cards. In perspective, for people who don't understand how hard it is to get a pro card. Oh, it's really, really hard. Really hard.

I mean, the amount of guys that compete at a national level show now. Think about there's five or six classes in men's physique. Each class is between 75 to 100 guys. You have to win your class to get a pro card. And then at some shows, you have to win your class and then overall to get your pro card. If you're international, you have to win your class and then overall to get your pro card. If you're an international, you have to win your class and the whole show. So you've got to win the class

and you've got to beat five other guys from different high classes that were already the best in their class and then the best one out of that gets their pro card.

Wow. So one out of 500 guys will get their pro card. It's tough. And you've got 15. Is that what you said? You've got 15 guys that got their pro card?

Yeah, 15 guys and girls. Awesome. Definitely. So are you creating programs for them? Is it pretty much the whole thing? I do coaching. I do all their diet and nutrition, supplements, workout training, everything. So we have an app.

I use the majority of my clients go through my app. I have an assistant coach who's also an IBU pro that helps me out. And then my pro guys um that i'm working with when getting qualified for olympia were in touch quite a bit my guy from the philippines is like they call him like jeremy 2.0 call him call him vindia his name's van call him vindia because i met this guy in the philippines last year i went out and watched him compete as an amateur and i was like wow this guy's really good and i met i talked about afterwards he wasn't very confident he was like oh I'm like, dude,

you are great, man. You got to start believing in it. And he was a real quiet kid. And I was like, listen, I'm going to coach you because I see something new. He's like, I don't have any money. I'm like, don't worry about it.

I want to coach you. I want to help you. So I've been working with him. We got him his pro card last year. He won the first pro show and the first pro qualifier in the Philippines last year. He was supposed to come to Olympia

and do the amateur, but his visa got denied. So he couldn't do that. We threw him the show the week before he won that. And then he went to Kuwait and first pro debut, uh, I believe it was in April. And he took third at that show, which is arguably he could have been second or maybe even first. And then he was supposed to compete in Japan, got his visa denied. Again, this guy's been prepping for six months. He's been in shape for four months, sub 5% body fat like anybody that's done that before that's miserable to be able to walk around and not only to get in shape but to hold that shape and conditioning

for five months for five months and then he didn't get to go he would spend all of his money like everything he had on this stuff he just had a baby like it's just it was a nightmare so it's just tough because they don't have any opportunities they have like one opportunity every year in the philippines and in a lot of these foreign countries which fortunately ifbb the international federation of bodybuilding um is expanding worldwide it's ivb pro league for you guys that are listening there's a difference between the ifb pro or ifb elite and ifb pro league we were one but we split like two years ago and that's for political reasons um fairness ivb pro league we were one but we split like two years ago and that's for political

reasons um fairness ife pro league we're we're trying to create better opportunities there's a lot of bad politics that were going on with the elite um paying for pro cards a bunch of different shit that was a little shady so jim manning who's our president wanted to cut all ties with that so we started our uh the ife pro league separated and now we're spreading internationally creating a lot more opportunities for these international athletes beforehand there's only a few shows a year where anybody outside the united states you have to go compete so you probably get four or five pros from outside the united states a year but now there's dozens and dozens opportunities so you're seeing the olympia becoming way more diverse the first

olympia there's probably two guys from out of the country. And now, this coming year, probably going to see half the guys from out of the US. Oh, that's really cool. So is there one that's more sought after? Can you get a pro card

for each one of these? You can, but the only way to Mr. Olympia is through the IFBB Pro League. Okay, that's what I thought. Yeah, that's the only way to get to Mr. Olympia.

So how many people do you train typically out of time? Like online or in person? Ooh. I'm not really doing in-person training. When I work out with my clients, I'm usually training with them. I like to work out with my buddies. When my clients come, we just work out like you guys work out with your boys.

We just get in there and train hard. I've seen you work out with a couple of guys. We just have fun. I like to lift. I like to go to 24. I don't need anything too fancy. I just like to work out. Online coaching, I've had up to 200 clients online.

I don't want to get too busy. That way we don't sacrifice any of the quality of our coaching. Because that's what you do for a living now, right? To make money online. Give or take. Social media influencing. I have a clothing company, which is up in the air right now. I'm dealing with some legal issues with that.

My old partner. But you don't have like a regular – you're not like a fucking chiropractor or something, right? No, no, no. I was personal training at the beginning of my career and that's what shifted me into social media influencing now. Um, yeah, we're doing that.

We have, we're working on a supplement company right now, so I should have a supplement line launching in 2020. I was going to say something, but I wasn't sure if you wanted me to say anything. Yeah. We're still, we're still preliminary right now.

We've been working on this for the past few months. Did you get the name? Yeah. Chosen supplements. Okay. I was going to say, yeah, chosen, chosen, chosen, chosen subs. Did you get the name? Yeah. Chosen supplements. Okay. I was going to say, yeah, chosen, chosen, chosen subs. Did you already buy the website before we say we're getting there? Um, it's going to be good. I got some new, I got some very interesting stuff coming

to the market. Um, so that hasn't really been hit into the supplement industry yet. So, um, I think it's going to be a really big thing. I heard like some of your different ingredients. Yeah. We've got some different ingredients that haven't, haven't been introduced to the fitness space yet. So bringing those forward, it's going to create some controversy. I'm definitely aware of that, but we're ready for it. I know the ingredients helped me in a ton of ways and I know it could help a lot of other people. Everybody I've had to try it has loved it. And, um, I'm always so interested with supplement brands cause everyone just does the same.

It is. I was in the same shit, man. I'm excited to see what you have, but like it's BCAs, it's protein, it's pre-workout and like pre-workouts got a shit ton of caffeine and some arginine.

And I'm just like, dude, how are you guys all doing? Well, I don't get it. Like, cause no, the thing is there's a lot of them aren't.

Yeah. There's so many companies out there flopping right now. It's not, I mean, a ridiculous amount of companies are flopping. Okay. It's so hard to make it in supplement space right now. It's not, I mean, a ridiculous amount of companies are flopping. Okay. It's so hard to make it in supplement space right now. It's really,

really is. And I get, I've, I've been doing my homework and, you know, breaking down companies, you know, I was with Imogen for so many years. Like we broke down the details and,

you know, it's just, there's a lot of work that goes into it, you know, and it's, it's, it's a full time job. You got to make sure you're able to hustle and you have the right team around you to

do it. It's not like, you know, you're just buying something and selling it. It's, it's, it's a full time job. You got to make sure you're able to hustle and you have the right team around you to do it. It's not like, you know, you're just buying something and selling it. It's, you got to put the marketing, the energy behind it. You got to,

it's a lot of work, you know, same thing with clothing. Everybody wants a clothing company, but making a t-shirt and selling it, it's not a clothing company. Yeah. You know,

I actually feel like you'd probably make more money just selling the t-shirt than if you, if you got really big and started doing, cause I, I have, it's complicated. Clothing is complicated. Cause especially when you you got really big and started doing, cause I have, it's complicated. Clothing's complicated. Cause especially when you're trying to scale a business, like, I mean, I said a startup last year with my clothing company, man. And like we did really well, but we, I mean, in order to grow, you aren't paying yourself anything. You're reinvesting

all the money back into the company. It doesn't matter how much money you're making any, you want to see your business successful five years from the road. You're not going to take a paycheck. You know, you're going to reinvest and reinvest in scale and scale and scale. And, um, well, I remember I, I dated a girl who was part of the shreds team as I did. I think I actually know who you dated. I actually dated her friend. Um, so I remember like for me at the time, that was like something I studied a lot. Like when I was, when I was younger and I just opened my gym and I was dating this girl. And I remember going to dinners with Devin and Joey and like – who's the guy that owned the whole thing?

Arvin. Arvin, yeah. We'd all like be – like they would invite me just because I was dating one of the girls. And then I'd hang out and I'd be like, holy crap. Like these guys are doing some really cool shit that like I had never seen. Like I had never seen anybody like in their 20s roll up in a Lamborghini or any of these things. And I remember just being, like, every time we'd sit down, I'd be like, hey, what do you guys do, like, for, you know, money or whatever? And they'd say, oh, we do this and that and blah, blah, blah.

And I'm like, oh, man, like, one day that's, like, what I want to do. And, I mean, I got into a lot of that stuff after seeing that. Is there anything that you've seen, like seen throughout your whole process of this whole thing, like business ventures right now, besides the protein supplement company? What do you really want to get into? What have you learned as far as a businessman? Establishing equity in a company is really important. My time as a sponsored athlete is limited,

so these endorsement checks and sponsorship checks aren't going to last forever. And I knew that going into 2018, which is when I tried starting my own business and working on all that other stuff. I tried going into some real estate properties. But like I said, I got screwed in business pretty bad in early 2019. So those are the things. Investments. Creating money that's going to make money for myself. Rehabbing residuals.

That's super that's super important for me. I know that I don't want to be working like a dog at 45 years old, 50 years old. I want to be able to be comfortable having the money coming in that takes care of my expenses and whatever else I need to live comfortably. You know, my whole, I had this whole dream of, you know, being this type, you know, having all this stuff and it doesn't sound that important to me anymore. So I'm getting closer to 30.'m 29 now like i realize the more important things and like being happy it's just none of that materialistic stuff is ever going to do it for you i mean i know that because you know i mean i'm just 28 years old not too like what last not too long last month

but no i was driving down pch still in sunset in my lamborghini and i'm sitting there my buddies in the passenger seat and i'm pissed off he's like what the fuck you mad about dude i'm like i'm just mad dude and he's like what are you having mad about it's not happy so you're driving a lamborghini down pch on a wednesday you don't have any work you're just doing this what are you what are you mad about you're like you're fucking right dude like i'm pissed off and i you know none of this stuff i have is gonna make me happy it's like what's gonna make you happy it comes from within there's nothing else that materialistic is ever going to change that if you're not happy with yourself like that's what my biggest battle has been happy myself i think that's what's caused a

lot of the main issues and is you know just being good with who you are and then being able to transpire that to the world the way you need to. So I think – I think you can see it in your Instagram now. Like you're putting more content out that's like educational. Like I saw you doing more like foam rolling stuff. Like there's probably – no matter what anyone is ever going to say about you, you still have fucking 3 million followers. 100%.

And a lot of them are probably like, I want to look like this guy. I want to know what he this guy. I want to know what he's eating. I want to know what he's fucking drinking. I want to know how many times it takes a shit a day.

Like, I want to know everything about this guy. And when you post something like that, I mean, it's cool. And I think, you know, you keep giving that free content out.

It really, really makes a big difference. Have you found a difference in your comments from people that are like, oh, man, thank you so much? Yeah, no, I definitely have. I mean, I've changed my whole direction on Instagram and

my whole attitude towards Instagram and I've had to, uh, I definitely got caught in a defensive mode for several months on IG where, you know, I felt like everything I was posting was just like a clap back or a way of being defensive to something. And it doesn't do anything. It doesn't do anything. It creates more people to be like, you know, it's putting negative energy out there. Yeah. So it's like now every time I post, it's like, it's gotta be on the money and it's a highlight reel, man. It's what Instagram is.

They don't, but that is your business, right? So like if you don't have another job, yeah. But at the same time, it's like, you know, people will only see what's on your IG. So put out what you want to be seen. So, but other than that, man, it's, it's fitness has been, it's on your IG. So put out what you want to be seen. So, but other than that, man, it's, it's fitness has been, it's been a blessing. You know, I've been able to travel the world, do the things I want to do, meet some amazing people. And you know, um, can't be much better. We're out here in orange County, living life. When you get, when you travel, do you get,

do you get to put time aside to do fun shit? I didn't at first I've, as I've gotten older and I have learned to do that. I've traveled to a lot of places and just been in expo and out. Like, man, that's not the way to do it. So I have taken some time to travel. Went to China last month. We took the time to go to visit the pandas and stuff. I went to the Shilin Temple and did Kung Fu with one of the grandmasters.

Oh, I saw that actually. Yeah, that was really cool. So we've done that. I'm going to Dubai in a week and a half. Have you been there before? I went to Dubai last year. I've been there a few times. It's really cool.

I'm going out there with my new sponsor, Squat Wolf, which I'm really looking forward to it. They do a lot of really cool content. They have this athlete on there who does a bunch of funny stuff. I'm sure you've seen him. You know the guy that walks around with air lats on Instagram? No. You've never seen him? He's got a million followers and whatnot, but there's all these funny fitness comedy videos.

He's hilarious. So I'm looking forward to going out there and they take care of us when we go out there. Oh, that's cool. The, the, you see the,

the shake, huh? Is it the shake that takes care of you? You know what I'm talking about? No, I know. But dude, check out this spot that I got invited out by the fifth son.

His name is like shake Muhammad, blah, blah, blah, blah. But he goes, this is the room for our tower. He goes, this is our room for our, he goes, this is our room for our assistants. He goes, our room is nicer than that.

I'm like, dude, what do you mean? So he showed me on his phone, the picture of the Burj Al Arab. Or no, not the Burj Al Arab. Burj Khalifa Tower. The light show on that, something else. Five star hotel. Yeah, it's cool. Actually, the hotel is actually the Armani Hotel.

Yeah. So you're, do you know the actual the hotel is actually the Armani Hotel. Yeah. So you know the actual hotel itself is actually the Armani Hotel. So like when you go in there, it's Armani lotion and hair stuff. Very cool. And the whole room is controlled on a controller. I stayed in there for three and a half weeks. Oh, wow. You were there for a while.

I was there for a long time. Did you ever do the dunes? I did the sand dunes. I can tell you so much fun stuff to do there. I did the indoor ski resort. Okay. I did skydiving over Atlantis. And you can see all the little islands. It's really, really cool stuff. I'll tell you off air. But yeah, Dubai is an amazing place. Great place. I remember getting

invited out there. Me and my friend, we were like some of the top CrossFitters in the world at the time. We got invited out by the fifth son I was telling you about. And we got like an unlimited spending allowance when we were staying in the hotel. I feel like I have to bring this up. It's so cool. So he was like, yeah, whatever you guys do, you put it on the room, like whatever. But that hotel has like chauffeur service. Like we drove around in G-wagons everywhere.

We'd have like two more G-wagons just following us just because. We'd have like our friends like hanging out in the back. I'd wake up and order a rack of lamb for breakfast. It was like 500 bucks. We'd get like 90 minute massages every day. It has the coolest spa I've ever been like in my whole life inside that hotel. We did so much stuff. And our bill at the end was 260 grand. And me and my friend, Kenny looked at each other. Uh, for those of you who don't know, it's Kenny leverage. He was in the games a couple of times. Literally we're Kennyny's like yo they're we're gonna get beheaded for sure 100 and i was like i was like dude i don't i don't know i think i'm just gonna walk out the back what did you what did you feel when you saw that bill like i felt like i took advantage so bad you

know well yeah a little right i felt bad for having the guys pay for my laundry in china so we went to the desk and then they were just like they just paid and that was it and i was I felt bad for having the guys pay for my laundry in China. So we went to the desk and then they were just like, they just paid and that was it. And I was like, it was like no big deal. I was like, Jesus. But yeah, what an amazing place. And then dirt biking on the sand dunes, quad on the sand dunes, like probably my number one most remembered, rememberable experience there. There's like a thousand horsepower dune buggies out there. Yeah.

They don't let you go outside this little ring. There's like a little ring. You're not allowed to go outside. But you give them like an extra 50 bucks and they'll open it and you can go. All right. Cool. So what's five years down the road look like for you? What's 10 years down the road look like for you?

Five years down the road. You don't even have to know. I didn't know shit until I was like 30. I'm not sure, man. I'm still trying to figure that out at this point. Like I said, this year has been a – Supplement company, obviously. Supplement company for sure.

Ideally, a supplement company I'll be able to sell in five years. That's the ultimate goal. Ten years from now, hopefully have enough residuals working where I don't have to be working anymore. Still in the fitness industry. Give or take. I want to branch off and do real estate as well. I really like real estate. I know all the successful people I know are in real estate in some way, some way, shape or form. So I know if I need to,

if I want to get there, that's something I'm gonna need to do. Um, I like fitness. I like the industry. Um, I want to be a part of it. I want to help it grow. You know, I, I see the new generation coming up and the, the, you know, the generation that's been running is starting to get a little bit older and they're, they're making another way out and the new guys are up and coming and you know, the industry is changing way out and the new guys are up and coming. And, you know, the industry is changing every year and it's going to continue changing as new people become in charge and as they come up through the rankings and, and I'm interested to see, you know,

the division in sports changed so much. Like they just made adjustments to the men's physique criteria that we're going to get more down now for getting too big. So that's something that's new, which is going to play an advantage for me. Cause I'm not one of the bigger guys on stage. A lot of these guys like to eat. We just,

we just got massive and you know that what's the difference between men's physique and classic physique. There's some men's physique competitors that way more than the classic physique guys. So, and that wouldn't even make weight class or classic physique. That actually makes sense to me then. I think so too.

You know, it's just like the guy that won this year, Ray Raymond Edmonds, he's six foot the guy that won this year, Ray, Raymond Edmonds. He's six foot four. You know, I'm five, seven. So imagine us standing next to each other next year on stage getting compared. It's going to be, yeah, I'm going to need a step stool. Arnold and Franco.

Some stilts. But it's just, it's, what's the word I'm looking for? Subjective, the sport. You never, it's who they decide, you know, it's what it comes down to. That's what's so hard about a sport and you know how you can't beat yourself up too much over a place. And because it is subjective,

you know, there's been so many shows where the guy in better shape has lost and there's nothing you can really do about it because it's on the opinion of the judges, you know, and that's, you have to be, and then they control your future. So you got to take it on the chin, smile, be gracious and kiss ass, you know, and that's, that's the name of the game. And unfortunately, um, a lot of these guys won't ever reach the top

and they're going to continuously chasing their goals and spend their money chasing a pro card. And that's what I tell a lot of my guys that I coach is like, I understand that being coming Mr. Olympia is not going to make you rich or successful. Like getting your pro card and that's what i tell a lot of my guys that i coach is like i understand that being coming mr olympia is not going to make you rich or successful like getting your pro card is not going to do it for you a lot of guys think i'm gonna get my pro card and get sponsored make all this money that's not how it works so people make all the money are the ones that are investing themselves on social media taking the time to develop and brand themselves and put out continuous quality content that provides value to their viewers. And a lot of these guys, which I got patronized really bad for, was bringing this to the attention of bodybuilders.

Maybe I delivered it the wrong way when I spoke about this. I was talking about how men's physique revived the industry in some way by making it more obtainable to the general public and making it more acceptable to the general public by not being a 300-pound bodybuilder yet. Men's physique guys and bikini girls. It's my favorite one. The thing is, you're going to shows, you're getting 500 competitors now. Back in the day when I first started competing in bodybuilding,

there's 100 people competing in the shows. And it's created, this industry is blowing up so it's so big so quickly so much money and revenue has been generated you know and there's so much potential out there and i feel a lot of guys um you know that bodybuilder for a lot of years had a lot of animosity seeing the physique guys come up that haven't been training as long only been training for a few years in bodybuilding but have become pro got sponsors have endorsements endorsements, doing all this stuff, making good money. And then you got this 40-year-old bodybuilder over here who's been training five hours a day for the last 20 years, grinding, putting his body through hell. Still isn't pro.

Still doesn't have any sponsors. Living paycheck to paycheck. Then some animosity gets built up. Then they see Mr. Olympia Vince Zizek guy who's only been training for five years driving a Lamborghini. Fuck that guy. Yeah, but I say fuck the old guy too because – well, here's why. Let me say why. Because that guy could be on social media promoting himself.

He's older. That's the point I was trying to make. People would be like, dude, this guy is fucking legit. I don't care if he won or not. He's old as fuck, and he looks insane. If I was old as fuck, I looks insane i would if i was old as fuck i'd be like this is that was the reason that was the point i was trying to make was that these guys that they put as much effort as they did in their body as they did in branding themselves that they'd be very successful too a lot of guys just didn't want to hear that from me you know a

lot of guys don't want to put the effort in a lot of guys i'm gonna get in trouble for that comment it's the truth though and you know the thing is it's like i was the first one to say this and they hate it because it's coming from me the thing is sean ray was the first one to say this, and they hated it because it was coming from me. The thing is, Sean Ray came out. Sean Ray is one of the legends of the sport. He works for Generation Iron, which is a big media team. He came out three months ago and said the same exact thing that I said. But it was okay for him to say it. So it's just like, I'm an easy target.

Yeah, okay, I'll keep my mouth shut because you guys don't want to hear it from me. But it's fine. I won't say anything anymore. I'll just keep doing what I'm an easy target. Yeah. Okay. I'll keep my mouth shut. Cause you guys don't want to hear it from me, but it's fine. I won't say anything anymore. Just keep doing what I'm doing. But the nice thing is, is, you know, I,

ever since that is getting brought up, like I've seen a lot of bodybuilders. I have started taking initiative and do stuff for themselves. And I've seen a lot of guys that are doing well now. And I have had a handful of bodybuilders that have reached out to me and, uh, you know, giving them some advice.

And it's never any way of me trying to, to downplay bodybuilding or bodybuilders. Just the fact that I know a lot of these guys work their asses off. me and, uh, you know, giving them some advice and it's never any way of me trying to, to downplay bodybuilding or bodybuilders. Just the fact that I know a lot of these guys work their asses off. They deserve a lot more. If they were to have a little bit of guidance or to maybe just have a door open for them that they would, you know, have a lot more success and be able to live a lot more comfortably and not be as miserable chasing a pro card.

You know, a lot of people don't realize when it comes to sales, especially in social media, because I have a company that manages a lot of people, like I have someone who has four and a half million followers and like the, and all the way down to 40,000. And it's like, there's someone who has like, Oh, just around 200,000 that makes more money than everybody. And it's literally just because they're relatable. You know, people like the way they talk. They like, you know what they They like what they do. They like their daily thing. Maybe they have a business and some other different things. And people just like that person as a whole person. And I don't think you need to win a world championship.

Or you need to be 18 years old driving a Lambo. Or you could be 50 driving a fucking old Bronco. Or whatever. I think that if you seem genuine you're going to be successful i think and like a lot of you know i mean uh like column von moger yeah he just i've never met him he just seems like a cool dude and i feel like he does well because he just seems like a cool dude 100 yeah um that's like the only example he's a cool guy you know and people like him they want to be around him they think you know he's got a great personality i'd love to get him

on the show yeah you should reach out to him he's a cool guy yeah yeah he be around him. He's got a great personality. I'd love to get him on the show. Yeah, just reach out to him. He's a cool guy. Yeah. He's done a great job for himself marketing, and even with his injuries and not competing, he's still done a good job. He's living the life. He's doing very well for himself.

So if you could start everything all over again, what do you think that you would change? Not walking around with a chip of my shoulder yeah chip of my shoulder trying to fight everybody you know i was i was grew up in a i grew up in rockland which is like a little rockland rockland california and it's just like upper middle class suck up little white boys everywhere and you know we had nothing better to do but get in fights and start shit that's what we did when we were in high school. Like we just fought and a little hard asses.

Like we thought we were little thugs. We weren't, we like to fight and do all that stuff. And I just, I had this attitude about me. Like I always wanted to, you know, show that I was tougher than somebody. And I think that's what got me a lot of trouble, a lot of trouble, you know, trying to fight people and do all this stuff or get in confrontations. Like this is not worth it to me at this point. Like becoming a man,

you know, you learn things like being a man is my definition of being a man is so much different than what it used to be. You know, by definition, a cool is so much different than what it used to be. So coming into the sport and, you know,

being on fire and everything, would you, what would you have changed as far as, I guess I feel like your actions are probably, it's insinuated what you would have done differently. But let's talk about like – what about like business-wise? Yeah, I would have been a lot more skeptical of the people I trusted. I would have stuck closer to the people that I knew I could trust. So I made a lot of, I made some really bad business decisions with people that I trusted in my life that, uh, definitely derailed me for a little

while and I'm having to recover from, but being very careful of who you talk to, what you say to people, cause it's going to come back. It'll come back to bite you, you know, especially when you're associating with people that are on your level, there can be a lot of envy that gets to, that gets created. And I witnessed that a lot. You know, I tried there can be a lot of envy that gets created. And I witnessed that a lot. I tried taking care of a lot of my friends and making a business and giving them jobs and whatnot. And just envy gets created. No matter what.

No matter what. No matter how much you try to help somebody. I feel it all the time. I hate it. When they see somebody that they – when you become friends with me, a lot of people look at me as Mr. Olympia. But when you become friends with me, it starts to balance people like look at me as Mr. Olympia, but when you become friends with me, like it starts to balance out like, Oh, it just becomes Jeremy after a while.

You know, that's how my friends, they look at me as Jeremy. You know, it's not my best friend, Alex. He's like, it's so weird when people come up to you.

It's like, you're just Jeremy. Like everyone's picture of you is weird for me. Yeah. So, you know, people, I don't know.

I kind of got lost where I was going with this. No, you're good. I was just like wondering, like, would you have a business partner in the future now that you said what you said? So you're going to have a supplement company? Somebody – like I said, I would partner with somebody that doesn't – that has more to lose than I would. Okay.

That's a good – I think that's good. That's what I – I don't want to put myself around people who have nothing to lose because I feel those people are very dangerous. I have business partners in some things and other things I don't, because I know that like it's too risky. Yeah. Trust the trust is a, it's a, it's a hard thing nowadays.

It really is. Especially when business comes in, it comes into play. I've learned that doing business with friends is something that you just can't do, you know, friendships in business aren't good. So what about training now?

Now you've been training for all this time. Is there anything you learned about bulking or cutting or eating or getting ready for stage? Like something that you wish you had known earlier, taking care of my body, taking care of my body and making sure that injuries are fixed before training, um, bodybuilding for so long and neglecting stretching, functional training, you know, it's put me in a place right now where my body, my body's like a pretzel. You know, I've been, I'm all, everything's beat up.

You know, if one muscle group is not working correctly, it affects another muscle group. You know, I can't even, my adductors are so weak right now that my squats are affected. My adductors are so weak right now. I've been over rows affected. I can't do a single arm row cause my left core is weak, right? Right back's tight. So my hips are shifting. It's just,'s just it's it your body works as one so one thing's off it's gonna throw the next thing off that's off it's through another thing off so you wish you just warmed up

more and I wish I just took more yeah I took better care of myself I wish I was I kept my athleticism my athleticism disappeared you know if you ask me to run a sprint right now I'll tear a hamstring oh man yeah so I Yeah. I'm 29, man. I was messing around with my dogs the other day. I jumped from the fence into the dirt. It's just a fence, like a six-foot fence. My heels bruise, man. My knee hurts.

I'm like, come on. I'm not that old yet. All right. So then in terms of training, how much has it changed overall? Are you pretty much the same training for the last five, six years? It's shifted. I'm a lot more cautious now. Like the volume of the training, the style of the training?

I'm not lifting as heavy. Okay. I'm not lifting as heavy as I was before because of the chest injury. That seems to be universal. But that hasn't changed at all, right? So you went on stage and almost had the best body ever even after injury and not lifting as heavy. Yeah, I didn't lift anything over like 80 pounds on chest last year. Because I know Jay Cutler was always a high volume, lower weight guy.

Ronnie Coleman was super heavy. Ronnie Coleman is fucking not walking right now. And Jay Cutler is. Looks great, yeah. Yeah, looks good. Yeah, and there's a lot of truth in that, man. It's tearing your body down over and over again the way these guys are. So you don't think

the heavyweights are necessary? What do you mean? Like the super heavy sets, like two rep max outs and shit like that. Not for bodybuilding. You don't think so? I love to hear that.

That's good. Not for bodybuilding. No, if you're... You probably just saved a bunch of people just now. Don't bench press too. If you guys are lifting for aesthetics, there's no point in bench pressing.

Like barbell bench press? No point, yeah, barbell. It puts your body in a real natural state. It's really hard on your shoulder. If you guys do it, do it light. It's an ego lift. If you guys want to see how strong you are, go grab some dumbbells and see how many times you can flat press some dumbbells.

That's going to test your true strength. If you can't squat with proper technique, then don't squat. You know, those are the basics of everything. And that's where... Have you seen people with really good legs that don't squat? Yeah. Phil Heath. Really?

Phil Heath doesn't squat. Yeah. You can, I didn't squat for years, man. I just started squatting again because my back was so bad. So what are your favorite movements to get your legs really big? My legs grow really easily. so i can just do like i did literally for one year i just did leg extension hamstring curls that's all i did just did that actually that's pretty much last year because my back was i had a ql issue so i wasn't able to do very much back and it probably keeps your core relatively slim because when you squat it makes you just thick yeah oh wow my waist tight

yeah i just i didn't do very much legs last year. My legs blow up real quick. Yeah, leg extensions, a lot of pumping exercises. And then chest, if you don't like bench press, but you like bench press with dumbbells. Dumbbell incline. I don't do very much flat. 75% of my workouts incline. I've heard most bodybuilders when I was at Arms Burst or whatever, they said that they all just do incline.

Incline. And none of them do flat ever. And I was like, oh, interesting. I do inclines a lot of flies. And they didn't bench either. They didn't tell me not to bench, but we did a chest day and no one ever benched. I thought that was really interesting. If you think about it, your range of motion is limited on it.

You can get a lot more efficiency out of a different workout. Even a machine is more efficient than the barbell. What about the old, everybody thinks that the wider is even more efficient than a, the barbell. What about the old, uh, everybody thinks that the wider you hold the pull up, the lat pull down, the wider you're actually going to be. Is there any truth to that? Or do you think that's bullshit? If you go too wide, you're just not going to, there's no benefits. I mean, that was my thought too, but I like, I'd rather I missed your Olympia.

I mean, why, why could black hold on? It's going to obviously hit your, the width of your lats better than doing a reverse grip close grip it's going to hit more of your rhomboids and middle back so I mean yeah I mean

that's the principle wider grip wider you grow but I don't do anything super crazy I like to do a little bit wider shoulder width

wide grip I love it so we're at the end pretty much at the end of the podcast here I know that you do online training is there somewhere

where someone can reach out to you is there a website you can reach out to you? Is there a website? Yeah, you can message me on Instagram. Find me on YouTube as well. I'm pretty easy to get a hold of. My email's on my Instagram. Is there a website though or no?

JeremyBuendiaFitness.com. Okay, cool. Yeah, you can find us. Find me on there. I offer my e-books, my training. I have a lot of great training content on there as well. I have my whole 2016 Olympia prep

week by week on there too. That's really cool to see the process of change, the diet, my feelings, my emotions. Oh, everything's on there too. That's really cool to see the process of change, the diet, my feelings, my emotions. Oh, everything's on there. So there's a three

every week. It's like a 12-week video series. Every week has a three parts to it. There's a physique update. So you see me doing my poses week by week.

You see a training session week by week. And then you also see my interview, my emotions, the way I'm feeling, how I'm feeling week by week as we go in.

Oh, dude, that's rad. It's pretty cool. Yeah, so you can see that on there, jeremybuend'm feeling week by week as we go in. Oh, dude, that's rad. It's pretty cool. Yeah, so you can see that on there, jeremybuendiafitness.com. Cool. Yeah. Well, dude, thank you so much for being on the show. I appreciate it a lot, man. It's been cool to be on here and talk to you guys.

Yeah. Looking forward. I know you're a little bit hesitant at first, but it's cool. It's all good, man. I got to get back on social media one way or another and continuously try to improve and move forward as we all do, right? All right. Well, thank you so much for being on the show. All right, guys. Um, I will see you guys next week and I will post Jeremy

Bundy as Instagram and his website and all that stuff in the show notes. And you guys can check that out. If you guys love the show and I know you will, cause this is all time. You guys make sure you tag me and Jeremy in the show so that we both know you loved it. Not just me. You know, I love when you guys tag it, but it's always nice to have the host tag too. All right. See you guys next week.