Barbell Shrugged - Two Dudes, One Microphone w/ Christian Lucero— Real Chalk #103

Episode Date: November 26, 2019

In this episode we talk about the sport of CrossFit, Christians training, and the ups and downs that come with being an athlete. This episode also happens to have quite a few laughs so buckle up ;)   ---------------------------------------------------------------- Show notes: http://www.shruggedcollective.com/rc-ep103 ----------------------------------------------------------------   ► Subscribe to Shrugged Collective's Channel Here http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedSubscribe 📲 🎧 Listen to the audio version on the Apple Podcast App or Stitcher for Android Here- http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedApple http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedStitcher Shrugged Collective is a network of fitness, health and performance shows that help people achieve their physical and mental health goals.  Usually in the gym, but outside as well. In 2012 they posted their first Barbell Shrugged podcast and have been putting out weekly free videos and podcasts ever since. Along the way we've created successful online coaching programs including The Shrugged Strength Challenge, The Muscle Gain Challenge, FLIGHT, Barbell Shredded, and Barbell Bikini. We're also dedicated to helping affiliate gym owners grow their businesses and better serve their members by providing owners tools and resources like the Barbell Business Podcast. Find Shrugged Collective and their flagship show Barbell Shrugged here: SUBSCRIBE ON ITUNES ► http://bit.ly/ShruggedCollectiveiTunes WEBSITE ► https://www.ShruggedCollective.com INSTAGRAM ► https://instagram.com/shruggedcollective FACEBOOK ► https://facebook.com/ barbellshruggedpodcast TWITTER ► http://twitter.com/barbellshrugged

All right, Chalk Nation, it's Tuesday and we're on the mic with a new actual, actually this time, not only do we have a CrossFitter, but we also have another podcaster. So we're with Christian Lucero and the name of your podcast is? Pardon Me. Pardon Me. I like that. I always want to just, like, as soon as I think of the word pardon me, I'm like, while I burst into flames, like straight into like the song.

But Christian's been competing for how long? Fuck, I didn't study for this my first question um since 2013 i would say 2013 all right yeah same year i freaked out so yeah that's why i knew who you were it's because like as i started getting into the sport like okay who are the top guys where are they they at? Like, what are their times? Like you start looking at all that stuff and then like, oh, here's a fucking like, uh,

here's a guy freaking out on a judge. And there was like, you know, the Dave Castro incident with like him making you apologize. And, but was there any numbers that were at least impressive? Were you like, oh,

he has a really heavy back squat. For sure. I was like, this guy lifts a ton. He's like supposedly super small. It looks like a Ninja turtle, uh, with this turtle shell or turtle shell belly.

And then, uh, still have that even with the broken arm. Yeah. Still got it. Still got it. And then, yeah,

it was always like your back squat, your deadlift. Um, you would see you doing, I think, I think you had one of the best Helen times in the world at that time. And any of the girls. Yeah.

My jam. Yeah. Huh? So literally brings back so many memories. Like, I feel like we're in a video game and it's like, any of the girls. Yeah. My jam. Yeah. Huh. So literally brings back so many memories. I feel like we're in a video game and it's like, you're picking your athlete. You're like, oh, this is this times. This is this.

Yeah. Ding, ding, ding. Like, oh, so exciting. Helen Starr. He's got a badge. Yeah. He's got a level up. And then there's, there was like, I remember people like my training partner at the time was Matt Hathcock.

Do you remember that guy? Oh, dude. Yeah. Kevin, Kevin Ogar. So we all trained together in colorado for a while yep and um matt was really good yeah and uh what i was gonna say is like you i think one of your helen times or something came up and they were like oh this kid out in california that hangs out with kenny and ronnie he's got a sick helen time it's this this this and then. And then we obviously try to beat it and do this. And we're like, there's no fucking way.

He had to be on a track. I was. Okay. I had done it multiple different ways. But Helen was one of my favorite jams. And I did it actually with a red kettlebell. Instead of the... A 70.

Yeah. And I did it with a 53 in the same time. Okay. So I did them inside the jam. What's a red to a 53? I mean, it wasn't a did it with a 53 in the same time. Okay. So like, um, I did them. What's a red to a 53? I mean,

it wasn't a huge difference, but when you're trying to go really fast, I think it definitely makes a difference. Oh yeah. And, uh, yeah, I did it on the USC track.

They have a pull-up bar right on the track with the, with the bar and everything. And then, uh, but you know, what's cool about that is like during that time, you believed it, which is good.

Cause like now you'd be like, ah, it's fucking bullshit. You know, he's lying or whatever. But like at the time, like it and which is good because like now you'd be like yeah it's fucking bullshit you know he's lying or whatever but like at the time like it was yeah i wish people understood like that 2013-14 time like that was like the golden years where like it was such a fun time to compete and like i could probably go to matt hathcock's gym and we could all throw down and it'd be so fun whether we won or lost or whatever and it was just like the vibe of like doing it and being part of it and being present in that moment and then like now it's like i could tell someone in my gym hey i went across the coast to mesa do a podcast and they'd be like you went to cross the coast to mesa yeah what the fuck man why yeah like you know what i mean like i'd be like well dude that's like where the thing was i'm like i don't know

did you work out there yeah like you like it would be weird and then if you came to chalk, they'd be like, oh, you want the chalk? Like, it's just so strange. Like, the whole dynamic is different. You think that's due to, like, people, like, that kind of feast or that, like, famine mentality of, like, oh, if this person has something, I can't have it. And, like, if they're getting success or you're at their gym, it's taking away from our gym. I think what happened was CrossFit fucked everything up by letting people just open gyms wherever they want. Yeah.

It should have been like, dude, you can't be within 10 miles or like, you know, a certain amount of mileage or something like that. But like letting everybody just literally go at war at each other, I think is what ruined it because I used to look forward to going to different gyms to train.

Like I never wanted to train in my own gym, but I didn't have to. And I love to train with other people or, you know, like there was, there was something about like going to different gyms, just like you just PR like you were excited to show off and, uh,

and train with the people who are better than you and, and, and change that environment and see different equipment and experience different things. Like somebody would have a skier and you didn't, somebody would have an assault bike and you didn't, or they'd have an Aleko bar and you didn't have one or like it was exciting to go to different gyms and then um that was like the x caliber of of bars like yeah to a

gym and they had an aleko bar you were like oh fuck that was like you'd like go like ask like quietly like you could use it yeah like if you could pull it out of the rack you can use it sword in the stone so So it was amazing. I was actually at the Aliko factory in Sweden recently. And like when you're in there, it literally is just like, oh, like everywhere you go. And I mean, they have Aliko bicep curl bars. That's so cool. Like just the craziest, craziest stuff.

And the way they treat their employees is insane. They have all these water machines that are instantly sparkling or regular or boiling or whatever you want it to be. And then they also have all the food is made from a farm nearby, all local meat. Their animals have rights like humans. Actually, they actually do.

They treat... All of their animals have their own veterinarian oh they all have like this crazy crazy better than our humans here it's crazy yeah um and then you eat the food and you can feel it you're like wow this is intense so like all the food is made for all the employees like all super fresh like damn all these crazy things swedes doing it right sweden right yeah total side note, but like from there. No wonder they make great shit. People are happy.

Yeah. So did you see like the bar test where they like would bend it? I'm always like so freaked out by how much those things bend. So when you're walking through the factory, they have a machine that like is constantly dropping stuff, constantly, constantly, constantly dropping, and like 10,000 drops a day or something like that. And then also they're bending it. And what's really interesting is the knurling on the bar actually resembles a

waffle because the company of Aleko was actually started as a waffle maker company. They made waffles and like they made like a waffle maker. No shit. Yeah. Which is interesting. It's kind of like Nike. And then if you actually look in at the knurling on every bar it's a it's a waffle design look at it now it's gonna freak you out yeah right when we finish and then also um every bar every three bars gets a new piece of metal that creates the knurling in the in the manufacture process and the little piece of metal that creates the knurling costs 50 bucks and they use two of them so it costs a hundred dollars just for that to make three bars and then also you have the the cost of the metal and this and that and they have a relationship

with a certain company that makes the steel in sweden and they're not allowed to sell the steel to anyone else in the world so that's why they have more world records than any other bar in the world. Damn. It's pretty incredible. Like the whole story of everything is... You're lifting on a Ferrari of bars. It's pretty intense. Yeah.

It's amazing. But anyway, back to the whole CrossFit vibe. It's interesting where it's at now versus then because of, I think, of the every man for himself mentality with your gym. Yeah. And I remember just opening an event. If you want to have an event at your gym, it's almost scary to go to the gym down the street and say, hey, I want to invite all of your members to come.

It's like, I don't want members to see your gym. The whole thing just kind of got screwed out of the enjoyment. They took the joy straight out of it. Well, I remember, like you're, you know, training with Matt and he had a gym in Denver, uh, called Unbroken, uh, CrossFit Unbroken. And that was even a topic of conversation back then was like, Hey, like we, like at the time, I think Denver had one of the highest or close to the highest per capita of gyms, um, out of anywhere in the world. And it was, even then it was like, he made a comment, I think to CrossFit or commented on

something, something about that and kind of like blackballed him from, you know, kind of one of these shadow bands. Uh, yeah, it's crazy. Like if you say anything negative, you're just done. And it wasn't negative. It was like constructive, I guess. Yeah, for sure. It could be construed as negative, I guess. To them, it's negative. Yeah. And it's...

That's a whole nother thing completely. Yeah. If CrossFit likes you or doesn't like you, there's all sorts of crazy things that are attached to that. Yeah, for sure. For sure. And we've both been a... We've both been victim, I think, to some things that CrossFit didn't like.

Yeah. And yeah, so even then in 2013, and I think it's like there's only been more gyms opening up, but you also see more gyms closing now too. Yeah, for sure. And the cream rising to the top, definitely. And I think- And programming is changing.

Yeah. So like I do more of like an interval bodybuilding approach with a lot of the stuff that we do. So like it's not, I do more presses and stuff like that presses squats deadlifts than i do olympic lifting just because people get less hurt uh it's easier for people to learn straight away they get better results honestly like if you're going to be doing presses and deadlifts and squats and stuff you're going to look better than someone who's just snatching a clean drink all the time yeah like yeah reason why bodybuilders don't do snatches

to for a physique show yeah for sure so like i's, like, one of the things that I focus on with my people. They don't always love it. They're like, oh, you kind of want to snatch. And I'm like, well, you don't know how to fucking snatch. Yeah. So, I don't think it really matters. But I think, like, what's really going to matter is, like. I want to fucking run a route on Sunday and score a touchdown.

But that doesn't mean I know fucking how. I just, like, my ultimate goal is for you to be here for three months and people to ask like where you work out. Yeah. You know what I mean? Not like, you know, how much do you snatch? Cause that's not a typical. How'd you fuck up your shoulder? Yeah.

That's not the question you want to hear. So sad. Yeah. I've said multiple times that I feel like, uh, probably 90% of the gyms even still probably don't, it shouldn't be out. A lot of people, they just put numbers together and they're like, Oh, if I had 200 members and they were paying 200 my rent was this and this and that i'm gonna make so much money and it's like no no you're not gonna make any money like that yeah so i gotta pay people so i gotta pay all these different things so yeah like well you have a very successful gym

and a very um cost-effective overhead and i'm sure still like your gym isn't your your your breadwinner your money maker no yeah yeah i sigh of sadness no i like it's it takes the most amount of time of everything that i do and my monthly salary is like almost what i make in a day with everything else yeah yeah it's pretty pretty pretty uh it's what they would call a passion project. It's crazy, man. And like, I still walk in there and I want to buy all new shit and like, I want to make it nicer. And it's like, it's still my baby. And it's, it's hard because you keep feeding something that's not really growing.

Yeah. You know? And. Where do you grow from where you're at? Cause I mean, you have a great membership base, you have great facility, you have great equipment. You can't really. What do you, you don't grow into a bigger space. Cause means higher overhead and then you know i try to i try to grow

the vibe like the vibe is really what i try to sell now and like what we do and like what you guys could do on your own and more like promote the online program yeah um but yeah i mean it's still it still is my life it's it's still all the people that I want to be around. It still means so much to me. If you didn't have it, it would be a huge negative in your life. Having it is such a positive that it outweighs. I don't think I would ever be home if I didn't have the gym. I would just travel all the time. There's no reason to be home.

I'd probably rent my house out that I just bought and just be like a nomad because I don't really see the need. Um, I love being in places where I have no idea where the fuck I am or what I'm going to do. And like having that like uncertainty every day. We talked about this on your podcast, but like,

did you tell your podcast about your new home? Um, I think some of them know they've seen it on Instagram. Okay. I haven't talked too much about it. Yeah. Uh, just because fucking flipping the tables on you.

I'm interviewing you again. It's just like weird. I haven't, I haven't really too much about it. Yeah. Just because. Fucking flipping the tables on you. I'm interviewing you again. Yeah. It's just like weird. I haven't really told anybody too much about it. Yeah. No big deal. Neighbors with Justin Bieber, but no big deal. I'm always interested to know if people are happy for you when you make money or if it's like, well, kind of like fuck him now type of deal.

I don't really know. I don't. It depends on if they're in that feast or famine or that famine mentality of like, oh, he's doing so well. So now how can I do so well? Yeah. Or somebody genuinely is a healthy human being and they're like, no, that's fucking awesome. Like that dude's been working hard. And that's the majority of what I get in my messages.

People are so, so happy for me. Yeah. So I'm happy. I'm happy about that. Just imagine the people that aren't messaging you. Yeah, for sure. They're probably like, who is this asshole? You can see all that on analytics now people can screenshot or they'll send. Um, I can see all that. Like if, if someone takes one of my photos and send it to someone else and says, I can't see what they said, but I can see like,

this photo had like 500 cents, like of shares or something like that, which is interesting. But, um, anyway, I think what else is interesting is, you know, we're talking about some of the businesses that I've created and different things that bought me that house. Um, but like on your end, you, are you still competing? Yeah. So I competed, uh, I did the open this year, uh, actually had an injury in the second workout. And the fourth, second workout, I strained my calf on, like, my 25th, 26th round. Like, two minutes left. And, like, stopped. Because, you know, I've had an injury in competition before. And I was, like, in that mindset of, like, oh, don't make it worse.

Like, if you keep going, you might make it worse. That's still a really good score, even 26 rounds. It's not. So you can just stop and be good uh i mean not to take top like 20 in the world yeah so um especially to like going off of a great first workout i had and and and then to eat a bunch of points on that one i had to redo it and like try to re like recover tape up my cat or my heel like that that heel cord. And like, it was, it was a rough, a rough one, but it taught me a lot. And then the fourth workout comes around, I do fine on the third one. And then the fourth one comes around and it's, uh, the pistol power

clean all the, or clean and jerk. Yep. And I was, um, powering, powering, got to three 15, powered my first rep and, um, felt like my hamstring like pop or, uh, it didn't like tear like off or anything like that, like strain and like twitch and grab and pull pretty bad. And I was like, Oh fuck. Like, I remember the second workout I stopped and, and like kind of went to the longevity side of, Oh, don't hurt it more like this. You know, you can qualify in other ways. This isn't, you know, end all be all. And in that workout, I was like, you know, like trying to come back and redo it on something that was hurt. There sucked, you know, I should have kept going. And I had to think about that. So I was like in this moment, you know, even if I keep going and it

pulls off, like, I'm not going to be up there if I take another like terrible score or like eat a bunch of more points. So I was like, I have to i have to keep going so i you know had to go through the rest four clean and jerks at 315 with like that and then bruised up pretty bad and and then was able to do well on the last one but i just ate too many points on those those middle two so it put me at i think 30 or 31 oh man still. And so I'm like one. And then with the people going team, uh, it puts me pretty much one outside of the line. Oh my God. And, uh, and so we'll see how like they still have two more weeks of judging and like giving out penalties. So we'll see how that affects. So right now you're just one out. Yeah. Wow. So we'll see how that affects and if it shakes it up and I don't think it finalizes until December 16th. So, uh, you know, just get healthy and you don't, is there any sanctionals left? Yeah. There's like the full

year. Oh yeah. So there hasn't even, I think the first one is this weekend. I think it's like the filthy one 50 in, in Ireland. And so, you know, I could go to all these sanctionals and qualify that way. So, you know, there's plenty more opportunity. Cool. But obviously it's a big stress off your – weight off your shoulders if you can get that qualification in the Open. It's like a 20-buck qualification versus, you know, traveling or – But you already went to the Games, right? Yeah.

So what do you feel like experience-wise, like after you made it, right? Yeah. Because everyone's goal is to make it like you know when you get done do you feel like you know are you so motivated to train again to get back there or are you like equally motivated to like okay like i did it it didn't do a ton for me like financially like and i should probably figure out some other things to do like in my life at the same time like what like what's your mindset on that because there's a lot of kids right now they hit me up all the time like hey i'll do anything to go to the games

and i try to deter them away and i'm like dude i don't know like here's what you're in for yeah like you know because the the popularity is not the same either like unless you win the games you're not really getting that huge popularity like it used to be and especially now that crossfit has shut down their whole media team like they're not making docs on the games anymore they're not they don't even have an instagram like someone like you should have hundreds of thousands of followers yeah thank you just just for just make that happen just for going to the games right you should just for going yeah uh any anybody who's even been there should have like hundreds of thousands of followers and back in the day that's how it was yeah when we were in 2013 2014 like that's what you saw yeah it was like um not

hundreds of thousand but at the time it felt like that even like you saw yeah it was like um not hundreds of thousand but at the time it felt like that even like 10 000 yeah and so and you see guys now that are like barely at 10 that have been four or five times you know and it's sad like you said because you're not making a ton from winnings you're not you know getting a boost in that popularity or following that you can then parlay into something else. And so it's like, what are you doing this for? And it's gotta be for like the love of what you're doing, but also you gotta make, which I'm all about. Yeah. If you, if you need, everybody needs passion in their life in some aspect, if you don't have it, you just kind of lose your own fire. Yeah. Like just to be alive. Like you're not excited to podcast. You're

not excited to do anything cause you're not doing what makes you happy every day. Right. So I definitely say keep doing that. Yeah. But I think that people should definitely be prepared for like, let's say like right now, like I have my broken arm. It's like, yeah, if I was an athlete and I was getting paid, like what the fuck am I going to do? Yeah. Um, if you tore your hamstring to, you know, in that event, like what are you going to do? Like, do you think about those things now? Uh, I'm getting older. Yeah. Maybe a little bit more now that I'm getting older. But like at first, when I first met my wife, I remember in 2014, we were at the OC throwdown and you were competing. Like Kevin Ogar was competing.

Uh, Matt was competing and, and, uh, I was talking to my, my future wife at the event and she was like, what do you want to do? And I was like, I want to win the CrossFit games. That's what I want to do. And she's like, yeah, but what about after that? And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. There is no after that. Like, this is what I want to do. Like, I don't even know, like anything about, I don't care about anything else. Like that, that was it, you know? And so now obviously you get married, you, you know, think about getting a home, you know, having kids, stuff like that. You obviously have to think about like, okay, like if CrossFit and this, this career isn't supporting that and able to build off of that, then like, how do you parlay

that into something that will, cause I've never been the person that wanted, you know, the reason I do what I do is because I am good at it and I love, you know, athletics and competing and testing myself physically, but also, you know, I've never wanted a nine to five job, just, you know, not to knock any nine to fivers, but I never wanted to like go to an office and, you know, go in, clock in, work from nine to five and go home. And it just like felt so shell, like, like a shell of a life. For sure. And I was like, I'd never want to do that. So like, I, I pretty much set myself up to never have to do that. Like I never went to college. I was like, I'm either going to fucking make it and do something with my life or I'm going to, you know, be homeless. And so I was like, no, no plan B.

Like, so at least I didn't go homeless. Yeah, not yet. I know that's like, it's not good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We just talked about that. Um, but yeah. So, I mean, it's, it is to that point too, where it's like, you are putting so much into that. You're putting so much time, energy, effort, you're putting your heart and soul into this and the organization that you're competing for and that you're promoting and that you're a part of, so to speak, isn't giving you anything back, isn't, you know, helping you in any way. So you got to make sure that you're doing the things outside of there to help grow yourself and help, you know, you be able to do what makes you happy i made a post a couple years ago and it was like when i first started the gym and i was like trying to deter people away because i saw like kind of what was happening with my roommate kenny leverage at the time yeah

and i was like all right guys listen up like if you guys get third place at the crossfit games it's less money in winnings than if you had two personal training clients an hour a day three days a week damn that was like that's a tough stat yeah i was like if you make 200 bucks a day like three days a week times 52 weeks like it's like 50 grand right like it's uh like you guys could very easily do this and you got to understand like how much opportunity you're you're giving away and how much opportunity there is right now like let's just say with social media and being able to promote yourself in a different way and like let's say you are a trainer and you're doing cool stuff or you're making a cool program or whatever and then all of a sudden that like

starts catches fire I mean it might not give you the fire inside that you get stepping out in front of thousands of people working out right but like I think that you could do both I think you should be I think you should be building yourself as an athlete as a trainer trainer, as a potential businessman, a podcaster, like whatever, you know, I think that these things should be happening alongside. Yeah. I think too, that's an important thing that I learned too. And, um, I've experienced is like, you don't have to wait. Everyone thinks like, oh, you have an athletic career and you do all this and that, and then that comes later, that comes after, then you go into, you know know all the things you want to do after that like a podcast dude yeah you started

a podcast like in not a good time to start a podcast right like i mean i opened a gym when it was a not a good time to start a crossfit gym but like the difference is there's people who are thinking about doing it and there's people who are just doing it yeah and then like you never know unless you just do it there's people who start shit late all the time it doesn't work out it doesn't work out you know what i mean who cares it's it's it's it was free to start the podcast yeah like relatively you have a couple startup you know the mic and stuff but like i mean the worst thing you could do is ever think about like what could have been exactly i think that's like the worst thing and i think a lot and the other worst thing is just only seeing the CrossFit games and never

seeing anything else around you and seeing other opportunities around you. Like just being who you are and even doing what you've already done. Like it's, it was easy for you to message me and me message you back. And the next day I'm on your podcast. Like, yeah, that was dope.

I was like, maybe we can get Ryan. He's local. Yeah. Like, I don't even know if he's in town. I know he just got hurt, sent a message.

And then you're like, Hey, let's do it. What do you got going on? Let's do it. Let's local. Yeah. Like, I don't even know if he's in town. I know he just got hurt, sent a message and then you're like, Hey, let's do it. Uh, what do you got going on? Let's do, let's do it tomorrow. Like, fuck. Yeah, let's do it. So like, I mean, not anybody can do that. Right. You know, but you have that poll and it's, and you're using it because you earned it through whatever you've done. And I think a lot of people, a lot of people don't even think they deserve it. Right. Cause like you think, you know, you look at everybody else. You're always fucking comparing yourself to the other person on Instagram. You're like, oh, I only have this much reach. I only have this.

And this person's been to the games that many times. Or this person has these accolades. And you think that just because this person has something more or has done more, that it diminishes what you've done. And it doesn't. And so. I was nervous to start online programming because I was like, who the fuck am I? Yeah.

I didn't even, I didn't win the games or even come close. And it's like, look at like, but whatever. Yeah. And now it's, it's up there with like Ben Bergeron and Invictus and all that stuff. Like people, people compare mine with like the top three. Um, and it's just because I decided that I was going to do it. And I believed in the way that I do it.

Like I make workouts that are different than most people think for sure. Like they're, you look at my workouts, like I know it's my because I decided that I was going to do it. And I believed in the way that I do it. Like I make workouts that are different than most people think for sure. Like you look at my workouts, like I know it's my workout. Yeah. I can tell. I'm like, yeah, like no, no, no, that was mine. So I mean, like regardless. I think it's the fear too, though. Like what if I fail?

Yeah. And it's like everything in life, every doing anything great or anything that is successful, you're going to have that fear starting. And it's like, who cares if you fail who cares if you know you hear all the business people and all the like ceos are like or the people that created something great they're always happy to fail yeah or they're like i failed so many times before this happened and i just i was as stubborn as like i'll get out and i kept doing it because I was fucking stubborn. I was like, no, this is going to work. This has to work like one of these, or this is going to have to work. I just got to tweak it. I got to do this. And like, that's how you build something great is

you like, no one has the idea and right off the bat, it's like explodes. It's like, you got to fine tune it based off of what you're finding. The experience is the failures, just like as an athlete, like no one's coming out as an athlete and you know being the best in the world right out of the gate you fine tune it and if you are costa won't like you and they'll just bump you down yeah they'll just blackball you i know some guy won one of the workouts he just posted about it uh did you see that i didn't he won one of the open workouts and they were like they took his video down and said it wasn't good enough reps or something like that. Okay. And then he's like, this is ridiculous. And like his reps were actually really good. Is this Cedric,

Cedric LaPont? I don't know. I don't know. But he, he came out and was like, this is fucking bullshit. And CrossFit has special treatment and all this stuff. And then they just banned them. They were like, Oh, fuck you. No, it's not Cedric. Who is this? Who is this guy? I don't know. Like they just, like he wrote, they put his art. It's not on the game site. They would never do that.

But like, they put them on like one of those, you know, like one of those like CrossFit blogs where like they just talk shit. Yeah. He's on there like saying like all this fucked up shit about CrossFit and how he's, he's like, dude,

I give my whole life and all of this. And then you guys are just taking it from me. It doesn't make any sense. Instead of like, I've actually've given my whole life and all of this, and you guys are just taking it from me. It doesn't make any sense. Instead of like – I've actually won three open workouts in my past. You won the – I remember one specifically, the chest-to-bar overhead squat in 2015. And my hands were like shredded.

And then they said that I didn't open my hips enough at the top. And then they posted a video of someone else doing it, and his workouts – his reps were way worse than mine. And I was like, this is fucked. fucked well it's like when they and the year before that i won the thruster pull-up workout so it wasn't like like not out of the realm of your your possibilities or capabilities or capacity as they would say oh yeah yeah the uh what is that that is the um that's the brooke wells analogy oh that's happening this year too. Is like.

She has the capacity to do it. So it's fine. Yeah, exactly. But it's like, what the fuck? Yeah. Tom Brady has the capacity to throw 20 touchdowns a game, but they don't just fucking give it to him because he steps on the field. And now you're, now they are giving you the Superbowl.

Like that's what, that's what the games is. Like they're like, oh yeah, you didn't make it to the playoffs, but you know what? He has the capacity to be at the Superbowl. He sells for us. Yeah. He has the capacity to be at the Super Bowl. Yeah, he sells for us. Yeah. He has the capacity, exactly. You don't got to prove it anymore. Yeah.

But, yeah, so that's the same thing that's going on with, who was it? Lefty, or Leftaris, the Greek guy that's doing really well. Granted, he's super fucking fit. He's, like, got the body of one of those marbled statues. Oh, does he? He's just fucking another first team all body. And he's been killing it. And first on the first workout, third, 13th, fourth, 76th.

Took a shit on the last workout, but whatever. For those of you who can't see, we're looking at the scoreboard right now. Game's leaderboard. And his third. 6.32 on the deadlift workout. Jesus. Yeah. His. uh oh and he's posting the videos yeah so his third workout the deadlift it's the deadlift one handstand push-up he's got some like fucking sideways measurement where like they you know you're supposed to put the tape line

and draw all the shit and you got to have a good like standard to start he has some lady whole like he puts the tape up the camera's all shaky and then she puts her fingers on where the line should be and she has two fingers and then she like puts one of them down and like it's a fucked up measurement like he fucks up the measurement yeah and then he measured wrong with the forearm and then they're like oh well you know if you fuck up a measurement, you should be like, it should not count because it's like using the wrong weight. You fucked up the weight. It doesn't count.

Yep. So they were like, oh, but he showed the capacity. He has the capacity to do the handstand pushups and they looked okay in the workout, but it's like, no, you fucked up the measurement. Like if that's the case and he only gets a minor penalty for that, then why aren't we setting our wall ball targets to nine and a half feet and fucking that measurement

up yeah or nine feet yeah and why aren't we fucking using a 18 pound ball and being like oh sorry i'd only had a 20 i thought this was the the 20 i have the capacity obviously it's only two more pounds per per rep it's sad because they they can just pick and choose who they really want to do well and they must like him especially because he's from greece probably well i think they just had so many like negative or people like being negative on social media about it as far as like oh they gave me this penalty uh you have people complaining about it on social media and them actually taking penalties back that they gave to people they were like had penalized somebody two minutes and yeah that took him out of the top 30 for sure. So he complained about it. And

then they're like, Oh, okay. Nevermind. Really like Indian giving penalties. Um, and then you have this guy where, uh, or you have people doing that. And then you also have people like quitting the open. Like Lucas Hoagberg was like, I don't, I don't, uh, you know, it's not fun anymore to do this. You guys are like penalizing us and it's not like, I'm not having fun with it. And like, yeah, it's not going to be fun if you're like, you know, stressed out and like, you know, having all this anxiety about it, just do the workout. Right. And don't get a penalty. You'll be fine. And so, and I think they kicked out Frederick Agidius or they gave him a much lower time on his first workout because he didn't jump over with both feet. And like he didn't bitch about it.

He like took it like a man is like dropped way lower. He got first place on the second workout, but he didn't bitch about it. And like if you want to argue capacity, like argue it with that. He had the capacity to do a two footfooted takeoff probably maybe give him a 10-second penalty or whatever but you're gonna let him or you're gonna throw him way down and then let this guy stay in or let some of the other guys stay in it's like yeah that's lame picking and choosing i mean you gotta stick with stick with something like have some balls i always get so bummed on the whole when people want to compete in crossfit like i get all these young kids and

they want to put their whole life on the line for and i'm like ah i just don't know yeah like i don't think you should i really think you should start getting into some other things but yeah it's a bummer for sure but um so if you were to start like let's say i don't know are you would you still pick the same path that you're on now yeah yeah you still pick it right yeah 100 and right now you still just care about going to the games that's a big thing i mean i care about a lot of other things but that's one of the the goals is to go back to the games and do the best i can and what would you tell some 25 year old kid right now he's like hey christian i want to go to the games like that's all i care about right now what do you think i should do uh i'd be like all right come

fucking train with us and you know start you know, you know, taking your lumps. And I wouldn't deter, like, I think that's great advice. Like, Hey, don't like, this is a terrible, uh, like my sister, like asked me all the time. She, she goes to Stanford and she plays lacrosse. Um, she's on a full ride to lacrosse for lacrosse and like graduated in, uh, human bioenergetics and, or not human bioenergetics, uh, human biology.getics uh human biology and it's getting her master's in human biomechanics no biomechanical engineering and um she's smart she's smart yeah she's doing well she's got a bright future and she's like i don't want to like do this work i want to i want to go and like go to the crossfit games oh really Get the fuck out of here. Oh my God. If you knew like, you know, the, the, the, that path and what it takes

and like the, the amount of money you're not going to be making and the amount of like pain and, and suffering you go through to, to do this. Um, and you have that other option, but you know, that's a great advice because they don't understand, but I feel like, you know, they'll understand pretty quick if they start training with you and they start like knowing, but do you wish like when you started, you started this podcast at the same time, do you wish that you started and you did more Instagram stuff at the same time? Cause there are things that you wish that you did differently. Like, do you wish you were promoting yourself more the whole time? Or maybe you did? Yeah. I mean, I feel like I had a good

balance of it but yeah i think i would have like when i started there was no social media yeah i think i would have done more like like yeah yeah we call you guys boomers yeah we were the ogs okay boomer no you're not that old like baby boomer yeah yeah yeah uh so i think i would have done more, but I, you know, I've, I've realized pretty quick and I, I'm a quick learner. So like I saw, I think I saw firsthand too. I had a good example of somebody that I trained with every day. Matt Hathcock, Matt Hathcock went to the games before me.

Um, and you know, seeing him, it's like people talk about the Olympics or anything. Like I went to the Olympics. This was all I did for 15 years or anything. Like I went to the Olympics. This was all I did for 15 years or whatever. I dedicated my whole life to this. I didn't go to parties. I didn't do the things I want to do. I didn't do the things that made me happy. I didn't, uh, start a podcast. I didn't grow my business. I didn't do a web. I didn't do all this shit because I thought it took away from what I needed to do to get there. I thought it was just a distraction. I got there.

I competed at the Olympics. I came back, and my life was the same. Or my life was worse because I was so much in debt. I had nothing to my name. And now that experience did nothing for me and was unfulfilling to what I thought it was going to be. Sean White and Michael Phelps both have been on podcasts stating that their most depressed times of their lives were immediately after the Olympics.

Yeah. And they won gold medals. And they were like, I was the saddest I've ever been in my entire life immediately after. Because I was just like, what do I do from here? Yeah. What is it about now? Yeah. And you think that's why they keep going back?

Like, oh, maybe the second one will be it. Maybe the third one will be it. And Sean actually talks about that. Michael Phelps is a little bit different. But yeah, they just have very interesting outlooks on it. And you look up the stats, and there's a tremendous amount of sadness that happens after the Olympics for people. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah. It's like the Ohio. If a month could be a state, it's the Ohio of months. Yeah. It's a month after the Olympics. Dude, Ohio fucking sucks. Yeah. It is the worst state I've ever been in.

I love some parts about it, but the Olympics. Dude, Ohio fucking sucks. Yeah. It is like the worst state I've ever been in. I love some parts about it, but like the weather. I went to the Rogue Invitational and I was like, this place is genuinely just awful. Factory of sadness. However, like my Bumble account was just buzzing, dude. Oh, yeah? Every girl there was like, I'm trying to get some fucking California boy in my life. Yeah. Because like there's nothing to do here.

Yeah. I have never... Ohio and Ireland. My phone almost exploded with chicks. Is Bumble like... It's like a Tinder app. Tinder, okay. I remember Tinder.

So Ireland and Ohio are my two top destinations. Within an hour of being there, it's like 50 people on standby. Oh, wow. Like no joke, 50. I was like, damn. You can plant some seeds in ohio and ireland there's you got some kids you don't know about yeah they're sure they have abs they're walking around yeah they got a little mustache everybody yeah i was doing the mustache for november okay so this is the longest i've ever made it and we're still in november right yep we're almost done so i'm deciding now i'm

deciding to keep it because i think i've i've seen you i feel like i've you've had that forever i feel like that's just part of you it's interesting yeah i look at it now and i feel like it's part of me for sure yeah but it's like cutting off a body part but i look at pictures of me without it i'm like oh i look so much better without it but then it's i don't know you're more interesting with it it's more interesting yeah it creates a lot of mystery it's content it's interesting too because like the girls on a one to ten scale like all the like sevens and below are like you should fucking really get rid of that and like the nines and tens are like what's up i'm like really you're really into this weird shit yeah yeah dude the blonde hair like it's all it's all just a ploy

right to get attention from the opposite sex. Yeah. Yeah. Peacocking. Yeah. They say like everything that we do as men is, is, is that peacocking. Like you build a skyscraper,

you, you own Amazon, you, you know, have a training program that is selling worldwide. You go to the games, everything you do is a form of, of that presenting.

Speaking of owning Amazon, that guy literally lost half of his shit to his wife and his life didn't change at all. Fuck. Yeah. Wow. She went from not on a list to now the, the,

the richest woman in the world. Right. Yeah. Yeah. By doing nothing. Just by having sex with the guy who owned Amazon. I mean, she did help him started and like gave him ideas and like helped him build

that. Yeah. Did she? Yeah. That's what I hear. Oh, Oh, all right. Well maybe that, maybe that helps him build that. Yeah. Did she? Yeah. That's what I hear. Oh, Oh, all right.

Well maybe that, maybe that helps a little bit. Yeah. Blow jobs and ideas. Yeah. I was listening to a funny ass comedian on Netflix and she was like, when I learned about blow job or when I learned to blow, blow jobs as a,

as a young girl, I was like mortified. I was like, at least sex makes sense. Like you're making a baby, a dick goes in a hole. Like it feels good for me. It feels good for you. It made sense. Uh, blow jobs. They didn't make sense. Like you're making a baby, a dick goes in a hole. Like it feels good for me. It feels good for you.

It made sense. Uh, blow jobs. They didn't make sense. Like what, what did they ever make? And then she's like, but then later I realized they make careers.

Yeah. That actually is really solid. Yeah. Well played. That might be the best joke on the, on the real chalk podcast right now. Nice, nice work.

Stole it. But Nikki, Nikki laser. It's perfect. Yeah. Yeah. We're all stealing everything. Everything's just a rip off of something. joke on the on the real chalk podcast right now nice nice work stole it but nicky nicky glazer it's perfect yeah yeah yeah we're all stealing everything everything's just a ripoff of something it really is honestly yeah you put your own twist on it yeah yeah especially with the when you're doing blowjobs you definitely put your own twist on it yeah for sure i feel like if i was a girl and i think i don't know if you can identify with this but like girls have fucking such a hard time in like the world like yeah it would suck to be a girl but if i was a girl i'd probably just like be a hoe for sure like i'm a good dude but if i was a girl i wouldn't be the

case yeah i do wonder what i'd be like as a female for sure yeah you wonder like you you think about things like that because you don't have to do anything. Right. You could just be hot and just be somewhere and get drinks paid for you or like sleep with a dude for a few months and probably buy you whatever you want. Like, I don't even know.

You see the girls that are on like these, like these yachts and they're out in the Caribbean with all these other chicks. And like, you know, the dude taking that photo is just a fat billionaire. Yeah. Like that's like chaining you to his toilet. Dan Bilzerian. Yeah, exactly. Well that, those girls are lucky. Cause chicks. And like, you know, the dude taking that photo is just a fat billionaire. Yeah. Like that's like chaining you to his toilet.

Dan Bilzerian. Yeah, exactly. Well, that those girls are lucky. Cause Dan's actually like bodied up. He actually doesn't, he doesn't talk or anything though.

No, of course not. He just sits there and just like, and they just like fucking go crazy over him. Yeah. It's nuts. Yeah. That was his whole plan.

He said that he genuinely was like, my plan is I want girls to like literally be all over me and I don't want to have to say anything. Yeah. So that's some funny ass stories like of him, uh, like going to a, he was at like a strip club or something. And he was talking about how he, he didn't want to like some, he was, some chick was dancing, he was dancing with her, was paying for lap dances. He was like, Hey, how much, uh, I just want, uh, I'll pay you. Like, I just want a blow job. And she was like, no, like wait for me to my shift. I want to go home with you and like sleep with you. And he's like,

no, I just want a blow job. And then he ended up like taking out too many pills and having like a heart attack and like, and then he's in the hospital and he's got some fucking crazy stories. Yeah. He's definitely got some crazy. I know he wants to run for president apparently. Does he? Yeah. Which is interesting. That would be Kanye. I don't think it would ever happen. No. Kanye wants to run for president too? Yeah. He's pretty adamant about saying like, oh, in 2024, because he's not old enough yet. Interesting.

You have to be old. Yeah. You have to be a certain age. I think it's like 44, 45. Really? Something like that. Is Kanye 40 years old? He's close.

Wow. If he says 2024, he'll be old enough. So yeah. God. The sad part is like he probably would win. It's just a popularity contest at this point. Dude, that is interesting to think about because yeah,

I think popularity will start winning the presidency at this point. if the rock ran for president, there's no way that he's not on the fucking, he's got to be thinking about the white house. He's probably thinking about it. But do you like, why would you want that? That problem?

Like that's a huge fucking headache. Like, and you're the rock rock you're on top of the world but then it's like donald trump you're donald trump you're you're making all kinds of money you you know grabbing girls by the pussy and you're doing donald trump shit yeah like why would you want to do he downgraded in income yeah yeah but he said that the air force one jet and the White House was a downgrade in his life. Yeah. And I believe it. Yeah. And so, but like you have to have a reason for doing that. Yeah.

Making America great again or whatever your fucking reason is, you know? We got to get a podcast hat for like all the podcasts, like a make podcast great again hat. Yeah, for sure. Dude, I mean, people are ruining podcasts because it's so easy to start one now. Yeah. And they're just like, they're taking them all down. I can't tell you how many people are just like, oh, yeah, listen to your podcast. I have a podcast too. And it's like about this or that or whatever.

I'd love to have you on. And typically, you're the only person I've had so far where I didn't ask how many downloads you had. Okay. But typically, I'll ask like, hey, how many listeners do you have right now? Because I would love to help you out. Your time is valuable. Yeah, I can't just go for me. I can't just, I mean, sadly, sadly. Yeah. Like I can't just go talk to someone for a couple hours. Cause even if it's an hour podcast, you're going to chat a little bit for your child,

a little bit after it's going to take a couple hours. And it's like, Hey, if it's not a great, if it's not an up, like at least up and coming, like it's not really worth my time. Right. I'd rather make a podcast with, with someone on my own yeah um and right now like being part of shrug collective it's a little bit stressful um because i have to have a show every week okay like i absolutely have to and like before i had before when i was just on my own you missed a week who fun care i didn't care yeah yeah yeah i mean rogan now has a show every day. I can't imagine that. Every day? He'll do like, I've heard him do stuff and he's like, oh yeah, I just did one.

And he'll be like in there for like six, eight hours. Yeah. Just back to back or like one for four, another for four. But like. He gets insane people on the show though. Yeah. Bernie Sanders. Like people running for president are going on his show. Kanye.

Kanye. Elon Musk. He hasn't gone on his show yet. Kanye went on. When? Yeah. I swear to God he's on there no yes bet money go check it out i i know he was going to but he never did oh really he never did he never showed up they like had some issue with like what he wanted out of it or like i don't know the the the problems with what he wanted but they never got him on oh because i was looking forward to that because i remember him like you know getting it getting it hyped up yeah uh we've had john cena on drug collective

that's dope which is pretty cool yeah um but yeah um uh who else was on elon musk like he's had gnarly sanders he's had gnarly people on there yeah like people like keys were on there wu-tang clan yeah he's had gnarly people on there like that's the level like he's wrong there. Wu Tang clan. Yeah. He's had gnarly people on there. Like that's the level, like he's Oprah. He's the, the male Oprah. You know,

what's sad too, is I look at his, I look at this podcast yesterday, driving to LA and I was like, I don't want to listen to most of this shit. Like a lot of it's about fighting. A lot of it's like comedians, which is like,

I'm sure if you listen to it, it's probably hilarious. Yeah. But it's like, you gotta have some type of identifier. Like, but I think that's why he's so big too, is because he has so many like different people on that to it it's probably hilarious yeah but it's like you gotta have some type of identifier like but i think that's why he's so big too is because he has so many like different people on that appeal to

everybody the grandma in ohio or you know you know she knows who joe rogan is because she listened to uh i get turned on summers i get turned off though when there's so many episodes that i have to keep doing like the the scroll and i'm. And I'm like, I'll just eventually get over it and I'll, and I'll just go to a different podcast. For sure. I remember Joe, I listened to Joe Rogan maybe like five or six years ago and I was like, Oh, that was cool. But I really only wanted to listen to that episode. All these other ones are whack. Uh, and so then, but then you come full circle and you're like, Oh, this guy went on, I'm definitely checking that out. Yeah. But I think that's maybe part of his draw is like he has such a wide range.

Yeah, such a big pool of people. Yeah. So what do you focus on mainly on your podcast? Just talking shit. Just talking shit usually? Yeah. That's why it's called Pardon Me. So like we do just like carving conversations like we're having on here.

Like we might start on CrossFit gyms and then go to Dan Bilzerian getting blowjobs and, and, uh, and, uh, strip clubs and then go to other podcasts, just kind of where the conversation goes. And I really didn't want to have like a structure of like, Oh, I want to make sure I ask these questions. I want to make sure I, I do this and that. I just want to have like a conversation because it really just started because we were, you know, in the gym so much and like talking to like training partners, people around and like having funny ass conversations and like, it needs to be recorded. I was like, this stuff is golden. And like, we need to just put this out there.

Like this stuff's funny. This stuff's interesting. Like a lot of it's just bro science that, you know, isn't necessarily always accurate, but that's why I got Asian Mike and he looks stuff up for us and hopefully saves us from, from some embarrassment and just putting that out there. And like, if you have an Asian person working for you that is on a computer, it's going to work out. Yeah.

That's why it's like every good podcast started with an Asian Mike. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so like when I first started mine, I really wanted to be like the Howard Stern of podcasts. Like I wanted to be like really out there.

You know, like I wanted to have... I'm not of that age where I know who Howard Stern is. So he's, he's, from what I understand, he's like super,

like says the shit that no one says in the media world, right? Talk about jerking off and sex and like he'll have girls on and he'll be like, what kind of position do you like and like how do you like giving blow jobs and like you know and like all sorts of like he was really really raunchy before raunchy it was cool like that's why they had to put him on like serious right dude he was really

raunchy like people were like whoa you know it was crazy and i remember being like i want to be like that like for crossfit like yeah after even though like mine started off as like, you know, a nutrition podcast and then talking about eating out and all these different things. Eating out could go different directions too. But like it started off like that, like very simple. And then I was like, man, but I really want to get like, I want to get like Brooke Wells on here and be like, hey, like what was it like when you fucking first took a dick? You know, like I just wanted to like just do something where you're like, like did he really just ask her that people really want to know and then like i went and interviewed like the uh ceo power crunch bar okay um his name's kevin lawrence you've seen power crunch bars are like fucking every gas station in the world yes yes i mean it's everybody's

had one everyone's had like a thousand and uh it's like the most famous protein bar company probably of all time is it yeah more than like power bar or any of those oh yeah it's like the most famous protein bar company probably of all time. Is it? Yeah. More than like Power Bar or any of those? Oh, yeah. Cliff Bar? It's fucking gnarly big. Really? Yeah, it's insane. So like I'm looking at the ingredients and it has canola oil in it, which I'm like a huge, huge, like I fucking hate it.

And it's like I just I talk shit about it all the time. And I was like, I'm going to ask him why he has it in there. And like he's a fucking piece of shit for having it in there. And then like you get these people on and they're nice and you're like, I don't want to ask that question. I don't want to do that question i don't want to ruin it you know um and i feel like if i was to be that person i would ruin a lot of conversations and probably do a lot of traveling and just get kicked off the show like immediately like but i mean

that's why i never did it but that's what like i feel it out though you're doing well though like it's not like your podcast is suffering because you're not doing that. And I definitely have shows where like, it goes off the band. Like I've had, um, everybody on here knows when I have Hunter McIntyre on, we've talked about, we've literally went from CrossFit, like just like how I'm talking with you and talk about your, your journey and CrossFit and what do you think you do differently? And you know, for him, it's like, you know, if you get to the games, what are you going to do? And blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden we'll start talking about like how we lost our virginities. Yeah. And then like, I mean, just'll start talking about how we lost our virginities. Yeah. And then just the craziest, raunchiest stories you've ever heard in your life.

Yeah. And then people will listen to it and just be like, oh, my god. That turned into a completely different direction. But I could not shut it off. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, so they're in. So I'll figure people out. Yeah.

You know? For sure. We talked about jerking off with left arms and stuff. Left arm. Peeling skin off. Yeah. I don't know why you just didn't get like a, like a, a flashlight or something.

Dude. True story. My sister, I hope she's listening to this podcast, but she used to sell sex toys as a kid, as a kid. No, hold on.

We're on a fucking list now, dude. Gosh, damn. You know, these phones always listen, right? They're going to go on there fucking shadow ban so i was a kid sorry okay okay okay and she's still not good she was a

grown-ass adult yeah and she would have like these sex parties where like she would bring all these sex toys and all the girls would be like oh like and then she'd like sell all these things and make a little extra it's so funny because they start off like, Oh, like she'd like sell all these things and make a little extra. It's so funny. Cause they start off like that. Oh, ha ha. And then like you're, then they're all over there buying like, yeah.

Like the huge black dildo. Yeah. And then it's like, it's also tickles your butthole and whispers in your ear. Like what your mother never told you. And then hopefully not mother, hopefully father. Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know. Whatever, whatever, whatever gets her rocks off the tongue, you know, heat of the moment type stuff. I don't like anal, but if you do it, then it's the moment.

Not me, but like, never mind. For a friend. I got a friend. It's like nowadays, some of these transvestites, or not transvestites, you don't say that anymore, but the transgender, like the T's. The T's. I don't know what they are. The T's.

Q's. Oh, okay. So they're transitioning. Yeah. And they look good. Dave Chappelle. You would never would never yeah that's a good one too and the g's i like the o's that honestly like made me laugh the hardest i've ever laughed at dave chapelle um but like some of these transitioning men to women they're like they're cute they're good looking like you would never know like you would talk go home with them you wouldn't know they were a dude until it's too late. And at that point, like,

what do you do? It's just like, fuck it. You're in the moment. I think Hunter had a moment like that, to be honest. Really? Yeah.

I think he made out with a, with a tea at a, um, at a bar and he went home. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. We'll have to talk to him about it another time.

Yeah. Um, we should get one with all three of us on a three-way yeah with anything the three way with hunters got is gotta be interesting um what were we talking about before that sex toys the sex toys so my sister had this box in her room and i'm a curious like you know yeah teenager and i see this thing it looks like a vagina and i was just like oh my god you know and i remember just making it rain on that thing just like i was just before you've had sex like oh yeah yeah for sure but i like just realized like how to jerk off yeah and uh you know like when you realize that moment it's like such an interesting moment you're like it's like different for everybody because like some kids like know it and some some of them are weird like i remember being a kid and

and being like in we would we would i had to have my buddy over uh no homo and we would like watch like softcore porn oh yeah for sure and like you just find it on the tv and you're like what is this and like you're both sitting there like watching it with fucking boners and like you at first you were playing like video games and then somehow it digressed into you guys both watching softball porn on like showtime or something in the room and then like uh and then you just like i forget like when i figured it out i was just like met like playing with myself while that's on yeah and then eventually something happened i was like okay like oh that's what goes on. Like, that's what happens. I thought I told me or anything.

I thought I had like cancer, like leukemia or something. Like I had like this feeling and like nothing came out at the time. And I was just like, Oh my God, I'm going to die. Like, I don't think like I wanted to look it up,

but like it was dial up internet and shit. And like, nobody like really had computers. And like, it was like a whole fucking, a whole process to get on the internet. Yeah. Cause I'm old. And then like, I was literally, i was literally was like this is so fucked up yeah but i think i'm gonna try it again

and then like i'm like oh my god i'm really like this leukemia is progressing you know like i should probably got months to live i thought about telling my mom about it and then like i just was like i don't know like i feel like it's a good thing like i'm not sure yeah and then like one day when it actually came out i was was like, inspect your gadget, like smell it, touch it, everything, but taste it. I was just like, this is so inconvenient. Like, I really wish that we could go back to the regular, just, you know, air shots. Yeah. Is that a thing like biologically where you're at an age and you can't like, nothing will come out? Oh, that never happened to you? You were older then. I was like super young then i was older yeah so for me yeah you would it would

happen nothing would happen nothing would come out okay just maybe i was like in between and maybe like i eventually got past that point so that's the thing biologically we're like yeah shooting air yeah there's a point where you're just like you're uh your nuts just don't really produce okay remember those air guns that you would like pull back? Yep. And then you'd like shoot it and it'd shoot like a ball of air. Yeah. It definitely wasn't like that.

Nothing ever opened up or anything like that. It just was like, it just felt like something was going inside of me instead of me letting something out. Yeah. So that's why I thought I was dying. Like you're having a seizure. Yeah. I was like, I just remember being like oh my god something

but i don't think i should tell my mom yeah you know and then you know did you have like shame about it because there's like all those like attached feelings to it like i mean i was there was probably a little bit i'm wondering if the shame comes with like the mess like if that's what brings it like now i gotta clean up there's a good story about the mess so like once the mess started to happen i used to just put it i used to just come in my hand and then i would just put it under the bed like on the carpet like wipe it yep on the carpet under the bed yeah but i did this for years dude like in the same spot you just got a crusty-ass fucking sharp carpet? Every single time. Yeah.

And then we moved out of that house, and we're moving the bed, and my mom was like, what the fuck happened to the carpet? And I was like, I think I spilled some juice or something. And she's sitting there with her foot, and she's kicking it. And she's like, it's so hard. And I was like, oh, my God. If she only knew that she's like stepping on more people than the holocaust right now you could use that shit to like build a house that's oh dude it was mortar yeah it was it's cement like indy like you see like indian people laying on the nails

and then like breaking the shit like they lay on that they're not coming back yeah no unreal we really got sidetracked there. Um, well, that's a problem. Like, yeah, I remember my friend telling me, my friend in high school telling me that he, he, he jerked off and his laptop was open and he fucking just passed out after.

And so he had like the mess. Like, I think he like say like splooshed on his chest or something. And he was just laying there after, and he's got like his laptop open in the mess. And then like his mom comes in and he like has to throw the sheets over and like the sheets like stuck to his chest and it was like a fucking mess but like is that the shameful part or is it like instinctive that like we feel shame after something like that i don't know or do some people just not give a fuck i don't think I think a lot of people don't give a fuck. Yeah. Yeah.

Hmm. I'm trying to think of shameful moments for sure. But my mom's always been like, oh, gee, she's so cool. I didn't have a dad growing up. So she kind of just took over both roles. He was just not there? I met him for the first time when I was 24. I forgot to ask you about that on our podcast. I mean, we were talking about a lot of other great stuff.

My mom or my sister told me who my dad was when I was 18. So he was never in your life? No. Okay. So you always just had a mom? Yep. I met him when I was 24. We don't really talk very much right now, but my mom has just always taken over that role.

I'll tell my mom, like, yeah, I think I like this girl and whatever. And she's like, well, did you fuck her yet? Yeah. And I'd be like, uh, like when she first asked me, I was like, uh, not like yet. And she'd be like, well, did you get a blowjob? And I was like, yeah. She's like, what are you, gay? And I'd be like, yeah, I got a blowjob or whatever.

She's like, was it good? And I'd be like, yeah. She's like, well, if it's not, like you should definitely like move on, you know, like different things, different pastures. And then like, I remember walking around the mall and like the first time i ever liked a girl i'd be like just like staring at this girl my mom's like do you like that girl and i'd be like yeah i think she's like she's really pretty whatever she's my mom like go over and ask her if she wants to come over for some cake and cock and when she gets there tell her you're fresh out of cake i'll never forget that

and i'm like so like every time i would see a girl, my mom would look at me and be like, cake and cock. And I'd be like, I'd be like, mom, like, come on. This is ridiculous. You know? That's so cool. When'd she start like being like that? Was that your like high school?

Immediately. Immediately. She was always like that. That's awesome. As soon as I started having girls over the house, she like knew what was going on. She'd be like, you guys should go down to the basement and hang out down there. Like she knew, like she was like like my mom was like my wingman yeah she was like yeah go get your fucking dick sucked you know like it's fucking hilarious much less

creepy than coming from your dad yeah i think so like your dad does that he's probably in jail somewhere yeah like like my he's getting me too for sure my uncles and brother-in-laws like didn't have the same effect on me when they would tell me about that stuff they'd be like you know you should ask every single girl for a blow job like all the time and i was like i don't know if that's gonna work or not but my mom would just be like you know what you should do she gave you the same advice oh my mom would give me all sorts of different advice she was fucking awesome uh i could never ask for a better mom that's for sure so what did she tell you when you were when you were growing up like where did you ask, hey, where's my dad?

She told me my dad was somebody else. So my real last name is actually not even Fisher. Which has always bothered me. I'm always like, should I change it? My real last name is Vigiano. That makes a lot more sense. You look like a Vigiano. Yeah, more like Italian.

And actually Colombian. I always thought about maybe when I get married, maybe we'll both change our names. Nah, don't do that. You know? But we're like, just keep it now. I know, like, the Fisher is, like, mine now. I guess it is what it is. Yeah.

But it is interesting to think about. But then also. Because when you go to have kids, like, is Fisher your mom's last name or no? No. Okay. But when you go to have kids, like, it's the thing about, like, you're starting this with you. Yeah. Like, I'm starting this with you yeah i'm starting the fish this fisher name um or like if you don't want to be like ah fuck that

asshole like i don't want to like give him like or like my kids that name no he's cool on that name he's cool like we just don't have a relationship just because it's i think it's weird okay uh for him i'm like yeah he has like this 33 year old son out there you know it's like it's it's it's different yeah and he has younger younger kids right now he know about you he did yeah okay but my you know him my mom just had another great relationship broke apart and all this stuff so yeah but whatever um it it was just like weird growing up you know i never like had like that whole dad thing just like me and my mom yeah but i didn't know any different so it it was only weird like when my friends would be like oh me and my dad are gonna go do this or do that i'm like oh that's interesting like i wonder what that would be like yeah but i never really like it

sounds like your mom did a good job of balancing like yeah she cried being the dad and the mom for you the only time i ever like got into a like a weird place where i was like fuck like this is weird and i should figure this out was like a year ago maybe two years ago now i was on a podcast and this guy was just like hammering me with questions about my dad and he had talked to my mom actually uh do you know um scott from the sisu way podcast i know that pot that name mcgee he's got mcgee yeah he used to be the host of WODcast podcast, and he started his own, and it's like super deep. That went into Shrugged Collective, or no? No.

It branched off. Barbell Shrugged went into Shrugged Collective. Yeah. Okay, that's right. But the WODcast podcast broke off, and then he wound up starting his own thing called The Sisu Way, and it's like very deep and emotional. Yeah. And he talked to my mom and got a bunch of like-

He's trying to make you cry. Dude, he basically, and I did. Okay. He fucking crushed. And I didn't know he was talking to my mom so for me like he had all this information that i had no idea he ever would have had yeah so it was crazy to like to have him come out and say some of these things i was like wow like how do you know this yeah and he was telling me all these things and then about two weeks after the podcast i was working out in the gym like late at night

and i just started like bawling. Yeah. And I was just like, what did he do to me? Like he asked me all these crazy questions that no one ever asked me. And like, I freaked the fuck out. Yeah. Did you,

were you first like, kind of like taking him back? Like, like kind of like pissed off that he did that. Uh, the podcast guy. Yeah. Scott.

Scott. No, I was like, at first I was like, yeah, that was great. Like, it was really cool to talk about that.

I'd never really, I could never talk about my dad with anybody because i'll just start crying like immediately yeah uh even girlfriends whatever yeah um but and i would try every once in a while but it's like one of those things which is like i just couldn't even i didn't even want to deal yeah and now i can talk about it and it's like very few things will make me like get upset about it but with him yeah he just asked so many like deeper questions that i probably like always floating around in my brain but i'd never really like come to terms with and i didn't process it during the podcast so like a week or two after and i just like

broke down and like freaked out you know i had to talk to my mom about it and was like hey like i need you to tell me everything about my dad because i've never we've never really like gone through that yeah so we did and it was uh it was cool you know the only thing that tops that is him asking all these questions and then him telling you that he is your dad oh that would have been wild that would have been wild for sure yeah i'd have been thankful though because i met my dad and he's cool yeah papa do i call you is it weird if i call you papa and you're and i'm 33 yeah i do the the, I don't want to get too deep into this. I want to talk more about you. I'm good at pushing things off of me.

Yeah, we're both podcasters. It's hard. I remember meeting my dad for the first time. He said to meet him in this hotel lobby. I was living in Utah, and I was training for the Olympic team at the time. He said, I'll be down there, whatever. I remember going to the hotel and looking around. There's a lot of people there.

It's ski season yeah and um i remember just like having that moment of like i have to literally ask everybody right now like are you my dad you know it's like you go up to like the huge black guy you're like oh this is him yeah look at me i must be half black and then you're like you go and you find nothing worse than like you like picking out like all the like big like good looking guys like, this is my dad for sure. And it's like this ugly little guy. You're like, aw. Fuck.

But it was kind of like I was ready to walk around the room and literally start to ask people, like, hey, is your name Rich or whatever? And then all of a sudden, this guy starts walking down the hallway. He was like a minute or two late. And then I was like, oh, I'm for sure this is him. And it was. Yeah. And he looks just like me.

Late for the appointment, late for my life. Yeah. On cue. I mean, it wasn't really late late i think he didn't understand when i was gonna get there and whatever but yeah and then uh the only thing worse too is like him being fat yeah he wasn't you can't be my dad you're fat he actually competes like in master's level sometimes he does iron mans and stuff now he's like a freak athlete it's pretty great it's pretty crazy actually on my last podcast i actually talked about like what whatever you're born to do like you know what it is because my entire life growing up with my family um you know i grew up with five brothers

and sisters inside a house and i have another four sisters with my dad but um i grew up in a household where like every single day i felt like i wasn't where i was supposed to be like i'm not anything like my brothers i'm not anything like my brothers. I'm not anything like my sisters. I'm not like anything like my, anyone else in my family. None of them are into sports. None of them are like business people, like none of this stuff. And when I found out who my dad was when I was 18, it was like a mission to find out who he was and meet him. And then when I actually did meet him and find out who he was, we did all the same things growing up. We never met each other.

We both own our own businesses. We both super successful. Nature versus nurture. Both into kind of the same things as we got older. He's more into biking and all these different... I mean, dude, we are the fucking exact same human being and have never talked to each other at any point. And I grew up in the same house

with all the same brothers and sisters. We had all the same conversations around the dinner table. We had all the same opportunities. We went to the same school and I literally just genetically was going to be who I am right now, no matter what. And none of your other siblings had on, on that you grew up with had the same dad. No. Right. Okay. Fucking crazy. Yeah. That like lends to the theory that like our kids are just a clone of ourself yeah like another step in ourselves i mean you can fuck it up like you get bad kids for sure um and i think it might maybe have something to do with you just throw those out but i mean maybe

it has something to do on the other side maybe it's your wife or blame the woman or something i don't i don't know but it's a crazy feeling and i feel it every day i i always feel like i i constantly feel like there's more to be done like i fucking wake up every day like like a flame out of bed dude i fucking can't wait to attack every single day and i'm so excited um and i'm wondering too are you the type of person that's like impossible for you to like chill and relax you're like one thing after another from the time you wake up to the time you go to bed like you're relaxing boom boom boom boom everything is happening like you have to do something i don't sit and eat i've never said i don't think

i've sat down and ate a meal in a long time i i never sit when i eat and people always give me shit about like sit down i'm like i don't want to yeah i want to sit down sitting's a new smoking bro yeah dude it's bad for you fucking sitting for four hours now i had to um anyway branching off of my life because a lot of the viewers know about that. Yeah. Have you had any significant, like, impacts in your life or anything that you felt like was guiding you to this point? And, like, I remember you were talking about the OC Throwdown, like, this is what I want to do. I want to go to the games.

Have you ever had any other, like, moments where, like, you knew, like, this is what you were supposed to do? Yeah. I mean, I don't know that necessarily like, uh, I think for me, I've always been somebody that like stuff just happens for and like a lot of that Malcolm Gladwell shit like 10,000 hours and all the his books are like, you got to have dedication, skill, like timing and like luck. And a lot of it's just right place, right time. And I feel like whatever you want to call it, like I believe in God and I'm, I'm religious. So I, you know, call it like, I'll say like, it's just in the God's plan for me. You know, I believe in a destiny or something you're meant to be able to do or meant to do. And I feel that in my path a lot, like all things would just fucking work out. And a lot of people like, like my wife hates me for it. And she's like, stuff just works out for you. And I'm like, um, I think there's a lot of signs on my path, but I think it all stems from me never feeling good enough in what I'm doing. Like I, you know, wanted to be a professional football player growing up. I wanted to, that

was like my sport, you know, that was what I did. And then, you know, realizing in high school, like, obviously, like I'm not super tall or super big. So like, it's going to be a hard path. And unless you're like, you're, you know, juiced to the gills and in the NFL, like running back, running back or a DB or something, um, maybe like a slot receiver. It's like slim pickings for like guys my size. And so then I, you know, out of high school, I, and I played at a high school where we played with massive guys, like our O line and our D line, our O line, no guy was under like six, two and weighed less than 250 pounds. Um, and so you realize pretty quick that you know the level of where you need to be to get that isn't you're not there so then I it turned into fighting just because I had a background in

martial arts growing up and I was like all right like I can't I couldn't be a professional football player and maybe I could be a professional fighter like I have the background in this I'm passionate about this and I can control about this. Um, and I can control my own destiny in that. And then started doing that. And it wasn't like, I realized I couldn't do that, but CrossFit was just booming at the time. And I had already had such a big background in just like training for sports and that, that like being in the gym all the time, that gym rat mentality that, uh, our strength and conditioning coach, Wade Brinkman, shout out to Wade. He told me like, Hey, uh, you have a, uh, he had me do like Cindy or something. And it was like,

let me know what your time is. And it was comparable to like some really good Cindy times. And he was like, you could have a future in competing. Like, I think you should pursue this because X, Y, and Z. And so I, you know, put fighting. I was like, all right, I can come back to fighting. If I ever want to, I'll try to make a name for myself in this Z. And so I, you know, put fighting, I was like, all right, I can come back to fighting if I ever want to, I'll try to make a name for myself in this sport. And then maybe I can get bigger fights down the line. And, um, so then transitioned to CrossFit. So it's just been like trying to, I think, prove and, and get to that point where I'm like, okay, I'm, I'm the best in the world at this. I knew I could be the best in the world at something I knew I was special or meant for something and figuring out

what that was. And then things just kind of lining up, like I, you know, being right down the street from Matt Hathcock's gym and Kevin Ogar, who, you know, were training and some of the bigger names in CrossFit at the time and training with them, learning the ropes and just kind of learning from their mistakes and what they did well. And, you know, going on and on and, you know, meeting my wife in the sport and in the space. And then, you know, all of the things that just kind of go one after another, you're like, oh, this is, you know, meant to be, this is just lining up. This is where I'm supposed to be. I've always been like that.

I've always just been like, even when things were so gnarly, I was like, I just know it's going to work. Yeah. Like even like I was in, you know, Denver at the, at one of the points in my life and, you know, was training fighting, was training CrossFit at the same time and, you know, had a little apartment and was like, shit, I don't know how I'm going to pay the rent in like two days or how I'm going to like afford food. And, um, you know, just working your ass off and, and it stuff lining up and stuff happening, like you getting a personal training client or, you know, stuff getting sent in the mail,

like just like stuff happening to, for me to be able to keep down this path that was like, okay, I'm on the right path. Like this is happening. So what do you think you need to do right now? Uh, like in your own training and everything right now to get a little bit higher up? Like, are you, what do you, what, like, bad at right now that you're working on? I think right now we were in a really good spot. I think if you look at, like, my first open workout and some of these other placements that I've done and some of the other areas where I've traditionally had to work harder at,

I think that machines are something I've always had to, like, be working harder at, like like rowing, biking, skier, getting like putting out calories and being able to produce force on machines has always been something that like I was not always the best at. So because you're a smaller guy. Yeah. How much do you weigh? Like 185. Yeah. I mean, that's like decent. Yeah. I just have never been in a sport where like or like where that was the thing like if you're playing football you never want to if you're getting around a block or getting through you're never going to want to try to

force yourself through a block or like get around somebody that way you're always going to want to try to like not avoid the pressure like and same thing in fighting you're never going to want to like stiffen up and be super like take a punch straight up and like push back into it where a machine you're like feeling pressure and you're having to push back into it hard. And that's the reward. That's how you get bigger calories. So I've just had to train myself to be comfortable with that, to be good at that. And so, um, I think we were in a good spot. I think for me, it's just about staying healthy and like not having setbacks, like pulling something in a workout or straining something or getting injuries is inevitable yeah it's just about setting yourself up to be the best uh or be in the best spot to perform at the highest how

many times have you like changed your training program like change different strength programs like maybe you're like traditionally doing like the same strength template for a little while then you change to something else. Pretty much never. Like when I trained with Matt and all of them, when I was coming up, uh, I,

we just used, uh, his coach who is Rudy from outlaw way. So we were without law way for, for, you know, years. And then once I,

you know, they were kind of, obviously Kevin got hurt and couldn't train to be, go to the games anymore. And Matt kind of had other personal stuff going on he couldn't train anymore very aggressively so um i got my own coach who's max mormon at the gym even when i was still in denver and i've stayed with him since then um and so like he'll he'll change stuff up based off of what he's seeing injuries how i'm doing you know all that and um yeah it's kind of just been that.

And I think that usually we change stuff up based off of what he's seeing in competitions, what he's seeing in tests and obviously injuries. So like knowing like, Oh, you have some instabilities here. We got to adjust that. Or, Hey, you know, you really fucking sucked at the, the snatch ladder or whatever it was in this year. So we really got to work on this and that. And so I think the area that needs the most work is probably the, the, the strength pieces in capacity work. So like being able to put, you know, three 15 together for five reps a little bit faster, Um, because like one rep max wise, I'm pretty proficient. It's just about like adding that together. And then I think too, just, just

letting the time in the sport, uh, run its course as far as being able to do, you know, just progression as an athlete, you know, doing a sport for long enough, your body's going to start to adapt to those changes and what it needs to look like and what needs to be in order to, you know doing a sport for long enough your body's going to start to adapt to those changes and what it needs to look like and what needs to be for sure in order to you know uh produce and to perform i think it's interesting uh travis mash you know who he is yeah he's an olympic lifting coach yeah um he has like his whole new style of training now where he mixes together like the conjugate method from west side barbell with olympic lifting okay and he's getting like insane results from people. They're just crushing their PRs.

Yeah. I know he has a lot of guys that come up super fast in the sport and like make teams out of nowhere. Yep. So he's like, he can just look at somebody and he knows exactly like how much weight he can put on this person's lift in like just like a very short amount of time. Yeah. That's what I was going to ask you is like if there's any training programs that you

absolutely love. Like for me, like my, I never forget amount of time yeah that's what i was gonna ask you is like if there's any training programs that you absolutely love like for me like my i never forget like my favorite squat program i ever did was the hatch squat program i remember that we did that on on outlaw yeah and i just love like throwing out like little training pieces out there for people it's like hey like this is my favorite squat program this is my favorite program for putting on size like i got one uh you ever look at like gunther training like old school like i think it's russian training logs and it's like gunther programming or templates or whatever and they it's basically like um repetition squats or strength movements followed by like explosive jumps or bounds yeah yeah like you'll see him like squatting like 12 at whatever and then you'll see him like doing huge jumps like

jumping four steps up a stadium and then like or running hurdles and then you'll see him like doing huge jumps like jumping four steps up a stadium and then like or running hurdles and like combining that strength strength speed work with the explosiveness yeah that's cool i get a lot of like that's probably the when i'm like peaking and at like my best is when we're doing stuff like that yeah i used to do stuff like that with tommy okay yeah yeah and tommy used to work out uh at um tommy hackenbrook is who i'm referring to he used to work out at jim jones yeah yeah and that's kind of like because everything started with the gym for me like the jim ryan.com and like my new businesses and stuff like that i use the jim ryan okay is that where that came and i

kind of got it from jim jones yeah so yeah, I take that gym analogy. Cause I, everyone's like, you know, Lucero fit or Fisher fit or like everyone's like fitness or fit or CrossFit or whatever. I never heard anyone use the gym analogy except for him. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, Tommy was always doing weird shit over there.

And like the guy who owns Jim Jones, Mark Twight, he's created so many different programs and he's debatably one of the first people who like potentially had the idea of CrossFit. Yeah. And him and Glassman had a falling out like way back in the day. I mean, nevermind that like Asian and Russian weight lifters have been doing CrossFit for fucking decades. Kind of. Yeah. Right. I mean like high intensity interval training is CrossFit. Yeah. Yeah. He just like like he just like put a little yeah he packaged it together but like was like you're gonna do just these movements and we're gonna do this and we're

gonna do that yeah that's kind of like what crossfit is but regardless like tommy we used to always do like super heavy deadlifts and then just do like the highest box jumps we could ever do okay you know and different things like that i remember doing that and it was it was super fun yeah because you're you're just getting more shit done i don't like lifting and sitting around yeah were you in uh that region southwest when you were in utah okay 2011 regional was my first one okay that was before i started like i feel like the first regionals i had was 2013 uh southwest and i competed with matt chan and spieler and tommy and to. Tommy always had like... Pat Burke. Pat Burke.

You remember like EGIT. What was his name? Yeah, Peter Edgett. Peter Edgett. And then like Hoppy had a few good years there. Yeah. Chris Hoppy. But I remember...

Peter was a freak too. Yeah, dude. He was like an ex-meth addict. And then he just got into CrossFit. And he was like the guy, he had like the purple side of his face, like the big birthmark or whatever birthmark yeah yep he was a super cool dude so disrespectful the purple side of his face i mean i don't know any other way to say it a fucked up face yeah a birthmark on his face but i never knew what it was from peter if you're out there i still love you bro you're still you're savage dope i saw him at the games in uh just like walking

around in like 2018 or something. Oh, wow. And I was like, Peter. Yeah. It was cool. But I remember Tommy had all these funny ass theories like when he was like not able to squat heavy because he was like hurt. And all those youth guys, he'd be like, oh, we just do a salt bike. And the salt bike will keep your legs strong.

And so they would never like not squat for the longest time and just fucking a salt bike. Dude, so I don't know. I can't even remember. I can't remember. No, it's fine. Okay. I can't even remember if I did it on this podcast or the one with you or not. But like when I first started training with Tommy at his gym, the first thing he, you know, he was like, I want you to train with me and whatever.

But he's like, but you're already really fucking strong. Like you're already too strong for the sport. like you don't need to do any strength training you need to get your conditioning up so he gave me this program i still have it in my office right now in my gym because it it was a horrifying program is it like handwritten and shit no it's uh it's all excel spreadsheeted out okay um and it's it's an assault bike program yeah dude but it's an assault bike only program dude i didn't But it's an assault bike only program, dude. I didn't lift weights for a month. Yeah.

And he was like, if you're going to lift weights, it's not going to be like in a strength format. You can like do a cross workout or whatever, but you're not going to like lift for strength. And I was like, all right, well, let's do this thing. And I'll never forget, dude, like every single week was some sort of max out assault bike test. Yeah. So it started with like the, they didn't even have assault bikes. It was a Schwinn Airdyne.

And it was the 300. I had to get 300 calories in 10 minutes. GFY. That was the goal. So the standard, the gold standard that they set. Yep. And I think my first time doing it,

like with not a lot of training, like I had only gotten like 240 or something like that. Yeah. So he gives me this program. So like week one, like you max out on 10 cows and like the week two, you max out on like, it something like that yeah so he gives me this program so like week one like you max out on 10 cows and like the week two you max out on like it was like 30 minutes and then week three was like 15 minutes then week four was like uh dude i did a 60 minute max oh 60 minute max

and then what was that what kind of number i can't remember because the number that I'm getting ready to tell you is a 90 minute max. Okay. Okay. Okay. So there was a moment where it built up to doing a 90 minute max calorie. And I remember just being like, I saw it on the program, like the whole week, like, dude, I was fucked up all week. Like just thinking about it.

I was like, Oh my God. Like, I don't even know if I could sit on the bike for that long, let alone go as hard as I can. Like, I know that like what I need to put out. Like, he wants, like, a certain amount of watts and whatever. I burned 1,500 calories, which is a fuck ton. Yeah, usually you get off of, like, the elliptical after an hour, and it's, like, 10. Yeah, I mean, dude, it was 1,500, and I was hitting it pretty hard.

I had, like, four of those goo packs next to me, like a gallon of water. So you're ready. You're belting up you got yep me and this other kid who's an army ranger he's like dude i'll fucking do it with you if you need somebody and i was like dude i need you like i need you there for sure and like he i remember him like quitting several times and not like not quitting but like he would just get off and he's like dude i'm just like dude i but i i'm not letting tommy down he's gonna make me do this shit again yeah so then I remember just crushing it

and getting 1,500 calories and just being like, that was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. Like it was the, dude, I went super hard and like ever since then, like nothing was like hard. Ever.

That's the hardest. So I was excited that he like made me do something like that. And I have the program still and I look at it all the time. What's the number for 90? Do you remember? 1,500. Oh, 1,500 calories. Yeah, the number for 90? Do you remember? 1,500. Oh, 1,500 calories.

Yeah, I burned 1,500 calories. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I can't remember how good or not that was. I remember it was pretty good. Yeah. I mean, obviously. Who else is doing this fucking test? Obviously, he had like five scores from around the world.

He had done like 2,000. I don't even know. He was insane on that thing. He would ride it every day for at least an hour, no matter what like even if he worked out already he would ride it for an hour he'd have it he had one at home yeah he had one in the gym he had them everywhere and he was like he's always been obsessed with them and they were like they used to be low barrier for entry too like you would just look on craigslist like yeah some old guy was selling a or a schwinn airdyne for 50 100 bucks yep wherever you were yeah because nobody wanted them. They were like,

what is this thing? Yeah. And then it just became sat in grandma's basement. Yep. And it just became like a Satan tricycle thing that everybody talks about. And reality, they actually started because of Jim Jones. Jim Jones is the first person to use them.

Okay. Like, yeah. Like in a, in a terrifying way. Yeah. Yeah. Actually,

Max, um, the guy who is the face of, of crossfit his name is max uh max oridius or i don't max fucking something maximus decimus meridius no mcdonald uh rob mcdonald his name is rob mcdonald but they call him maximus okay and uh he uh he did 100 calories in one minute i was gonna, what's your best minute? I can't remember because I remember it was 50 in a minute was like the goal. Yeah.

But I've done 50 in a minute on an assault bike. Yeah. Which is way harder. Well, and also too, I feel like the assault bikes, like you have like some janky, some people have janky assault bikes that are like cheat code assault bikes. Dude, for sure. Like at regionals that one year when we all- thousand or something no we did 50 i think it was the year you got hurt with the dumbbell yeah yeah so like it was the last event you get to do it but it was

like 50 cows first and then like you know yeah d balls and box jumps or something and i was just like some people got off way i'm like there's no way yeah you know what i mean but whatever that's another that's another topic even the assault runner i heard i heard there was a whole bunch of stuff with people like getting yeah their mile was way faster four minute mile yeah i was like come on yeah but i'm like that's just so fucked but i mean what are you gonna do yeah i mean you can really do about that did you hear like if you're if something fucked up with your uh with your runner they had them counting that line that was on the thing oh my god so if your runner shut off or something was going wrong they had them counting that line that was on the thing oh my god so if your runner shut off or something was going wrong they had a uh a yellow line on the tread and every time that

went around you had to count and there was a certain number they had they had estimated was the correct mileage to count so you got to judge that struggles to count double unders and it's counting like thousands of revolutions of this fucking line. It's got to be thousands, right? It's got to be. What was it? Two fifty, two seventy five, two seventy three. Two seventy three.

That's that's two hundred and seventy three revolutions for for five thousand meters for three miles. One mile. One mile. OK. Yeah. He's fucking mute. I mean, he's Asian, though, so three miles? One mile. He's fucking mute. He's Asian though, so he's for sure correct. Especially with numbers. To me, it's just crazy stuff. I'm very happy that I had that one experience.

Is there any experience that you've had in CrossFit that literally made you more mentally tougher just after that one moment? I have one more moment where I did 225-pound power cleans for 100 reps, and every minute on the minute was five burpees. Okay, like a cal-su? Yep, and I did it with this guy, Paul Smith. He was from Texas. Giant human.

Okay. He went to CrossFit Games a few times on a team. Okay. He used to play in the NFL, and he owns a gym called Get Lifted in San Antonio, Texas. Okay. But, yeah, he came to OCCF when I was working there at the time. We did that workout, and I was like, wow. I think something like that would have been like Isabel at 225.

Yeah. In a certain time. Or I remember one workout sticking out, like your assault bike workout, where it's like, oh, that was the fucking worst workout I've ever done was at the OC Throwdown in 2014, that triple Fran. Oh, yeah. I won that. I won that.

Yeah. Congrats, man. I did it. I love that. That's the event. And I won that. That's fucking dope. Yeah.

And it was three Frans and you had a, what was it? A four minute cap on each one of them. Yep. And your score was your worst fran. So you had zero to four to fran. You had four to eight, another fran. And you had eight to twelve, another fran.

And you only counted your worst fran time. And I think if you went over four minutes, you got disqualified and you just didn't get to keep going. Right. Something like that. 2.24 was my slowest one. Fuck. I remember crushing it. That was the first time I had ever just didn't get to keep going right something like that 224 was my slowest one fuck i remember crushing that that was the first time i had ever talked to dan bailey yeah dan bailey came over to me was he competing no he was watching okay and i'd never talked to him before he came over to

me and he's like dude i just want to shake your hand because that was the gnarliest thing i'd ever seen and i had the flu and i was getting like ivs and stuff remember that okay yeah i was really fucked up and i i just like came out of body experience for that because that was like fran was my like i jam i could do fran in like 157 yeah and i was like so excited i was like oh my god i'm gonna fucking crush this is dope so yeah and then didn't like julian cerna end up winning that year yeah that kid from uh miami yeah yeah he's on like soul he does soul stuff now he's like on soul's uh team crossfit soul oh yeah danny i didn't know he was like still doing it yeah he's still like soul he does soul stuff now he's like on soul's uh team crossfit soul oh yeah danny i didn't know he was like still doing it yeah he's still doing team stuff and i think he

quit for a while but i just remember he won it and then like it just looked like nobody yeah a regular body and he was super strong gardener dude yeah he looked gnarly yeah like the plumber yeah and he's just crushing and then like that was the first time I met Rasmus and that was like one of his first competitions, Rasmus Anderson. Yep. Interesting person. Yeah, he's a cool dude.

Super nice, but like, just interesting. I've never like had like super deep conversations with him, so I don't know. I don't think anyone has.

Okay. I don't think anyone has. All right, all right, all right. Okay, okay. Shout out.

Shout out Rasmus. The right, all right, all right. Okay, okay. Shout out. Shout out, Rasmus. The world needs boring people, man. Fuck. I just like how he added the shout out. Shout out. Yeah, dude. To that dope ass motherfucker in the corner. I remember he was like just got off the like just off the plane from uh belgium or wherever the fuck he's from norway europe yeah and he like

barely knew english and was like oh i just came out to train at invictus and then fast forward like three years later and you know he's engaged to lauren fisher and yeah yeah who's definitely not adding any more energy they're a good couple yeah oh yeah yeah yeah you they usually say opposites attract but in this case same as attract same same and as you do that you're like it's like two dicks hitting each other i was like that's docking shout out to dockers you heard of soaking right we lived in utah for a while yeah you do any soaking out there dude i did some weird shit so for those people that don't know soaking is is a adopted way of intercourse that the mormons use as a way to preserve your virginity and you basically put the the p in the V and then you don't move it in and out. You just leave it in there and it soaks. And it's a way to get around to

still be a virgin, but still get something out of it. Right? Yeah. I mean, it's also a way to train yourself to be the worst sexually experienced human on earth, which is why they have the highest uh divorce rate in the country as well yeah mormons or utah uh both okay yeah i think that's bro science i'm pretty no i'm pretty sure it's real i'm pretty sure it's real because they're like they're all trying like they're all test driving some car like after they bought it already you know and they're like this car sucks you know there's all this dude wants to do all this car wants to do is soak all this car knows how to do i mean yeah yeah you've trained yourself for so long to say like all this car wants to do is soak. All this car knows how to do. I mean, yeah.

You've trained yourself for so long to say like, oh, this is bad. This is bad. Don't do this. Just lay there. And then now you're like, what do I do? Yeah. Or it's Ricky Bobby. I just want to go fast.

Yeah. Is this the actual stats? Oh, we have stats on TV. Go back up. Where's the highest? Or down? Oh, Nevada. Oh, that makes sense.

Let's go to like a more oklahoma okay all right all right all right all right all right all right wyoming close to utah close idaho idaho kentucky all right let's just go to mormons it's gotta be it's gotta be mormon say what religion has the highest divorce rate it's got got to be Catholics. Okay. No, Catholics don't believe in divorce. Ooh. Who knows? Catholics are like, we shouldn't have sex, but we're just going to do it anyway. Like, literally everybody is like... Well, that's the old school, like, Catholic schoolgirl.

Like, oh, you're dating a Catholic schoolgirl as a kid. Like, obviously, as you're an adult, you're not dating a Catholic schoolgirl, hopefully. Unless you're running with, like, Jeff Epstein. But... Catholic, you're an adult, you're not dating a Catholic schoolgirl, hopefully. Unless you're running with like Jeff Epstein. Catholic, you're right. Oh, hit it. Oh, no, that's actually not. Is it in order? Is this ordered?

Okay, so the bottom is the highest. Ooh, Muslim. Born again Christians. Born again Christians. Born again divorce. Born again marriage, right? Is this the bottom? What is this?

Atheist divorce rates. Atheist is the highest, right? 2%. Lowest. Oh, okay. Lowest for atheist. Catholic's highest. New Bumble and Tinder profile is that you're atheist,

which gives you a 98% chance of making it in marriage because only 2% gets divorced. Oh, okay. That's a solid... Open people out. Yeah, I think I should. I need to edit my shit for sure. Add on there.

Do you put on there who you are? Not really. Yeah, I was going to say you probably have a bunch of... I had one girl hit me up who knew who I was. Recognized you. Yeah. I don't have any i don't have any like workout photos in there it's all like me like on my bike or like

surfing shirtless though there's a couple of me shirtless yeah um you can tell that i work out obviously but i don't i don't say anything about crossfit and then like my description is more like it just says like i own some fitness businesses and i like to travel and blah blah blah right it's just like it's very it's very basic girl hit me up and we were like talking back and forth. And then when I finally met with her, she was like, Hey, so like, I know who you are. I didn't like want to say like, I know who you are. And I was like, damn it. And she's like, is that bad? I was like, it doesn't like help, you know, because then like, obviously like you question everything, right? Yeah. Like you have a feeling about me already. Cause like you already know some things.

So like, I'd rather you just like not know, but it's, it's also good that you know, cause then you know who I am and you know why I do this certain things. But on your end, like I slept with her for sure. Yeah,

for sure. On your end, it didn't stop me. We'll get through this babe. Uh, on your end, you gotta like protect yourself too from like weird people yeah or people that just like want money or money or something from you yeah you know that's like one thing i don't like when people know if they were to know like if i was to put all my stuff out there and they're like oh i think he's like pretty successful then like i

wouldn't like that yeah like it's like you you turn into the edelman situation where after he wins the super bowl you see that no some chick takes a photo of him sleeping in her bed and goes like hey i just fucked edelman and it was like right after the super bowl right after they won and she got like a ton of hate for it and like yeah interesting yeah nowadays i feel like is it just because i'm not on the scene is it like Like, obviously like the news and media portrays it as like, people are getting sued for sexual assault and saying you raped them and yada, yada, yada. But like, I'm not in the single scene. So like, as somebody, like you have some fame, some recognition, and you're a person that,

you know, could fall victim to that. Do you have ever have issues with, not like you would like say him now? I mean, I, I, I don't like, I don't really go to like the borderline of age you know like right but i'm like you when you sleep with a girl you're not like having her sign like all right you're consenting to this you're not gonna come back later and say i raped you no i don't i don't do anything like that but like typically i like to like know who the person is like i'm not like a random yeah you want to have like meaningful conversations yeah i mean i've had like some random things in my life but like as bad as it could be i don't i definitely don't fully take advantage of that yeah um you're like yeah i'm

a scumbag i'll fuck you yeah i mean i would love to say like yeah i just fuck everybody it's fucking great but like yeah i just don't do that no i think you can at think you can. At this point now, it is scary, for sure. I wouldn't want to, like, I mean, at this point, I'm just old enough now where, like, forget money and all that stuff. It's like, what if I fucking got this chick pregnant? Oh, fuck. And then it's like. I'm thinking about AIDS or something like that. Yeah, I mean, AIDS too.

But, like, let's just say, like, you get someone pregnant, you don't want to get pregnant. And then, like, you're paying child support the rest of your life. Like, this person's in your life for the rest of your life in general. You're just, like, always going to have to, they're just always going to be around. Yeah. It's like, damn. But I think about that type of stuff, where it's like when I was younger and I was like, you know, 2011, 2012,

I was like that guy coming up on the CrossFit scene. And I was like, yeah, we should definitely have sex, like in the next 10 minutes if possible. I'm trying to do this workout after. I got a workout later. Yeah. So, yeah, that's how I got a little bit more to the wayside. On the good part, though,

it looks like you have a pretty strong hairline. So there's one thing we've learned from professional athletes is you can get rid of AIDS, but you can't grow that shit back. The best athletes in the world still got fucked up hairlines. Oh, yeah. I'm definitely lucky with the hair. My real dad, actually, technically, he doesn't really have that much hair either. Okay. Which is interesting.

They say you get your hair from your mom's father, right? Yeah. But he died, like, I never even got to meet him. So you're going to die early. But you'll have a strong hairline. He died in a motorcycle accident. Okay. My mom never let me buy a motorcycle.

I'm thinking about getting one now, though. I've always wanted one. Yeah. It's tough in California, though, like, the way people drive. Yeah, it's tough. You got to worry about everybody else. Yeah. Not yourself.

Yeah. I feel like I'll pay attention more because I don't have a phone, but everybody else does. Yeah. It's a good point. I mean, I guess they always just say it's like the highway. Just don't be on the highway. Yeah. And I mean, people get in accidents around here all the time on the small stuff, but

they're not usually dying. Yeah. Unless you're a big pussy. Yeah. You died? Fucking pussy. Yeah. Yeah, I would definitely... Unless you're a big pussy. Yeah, you died, fucking pussy. I remember backing out. I lived with Matt Hathcock for a little bit, speaking about sleeping in basements. I slept in basements for a long time coming up in CrossFit

and was backing out of the driveway, and it was on this turn in Morrison, in the mountains in Denver. And I was backing out, and I'll never fucking forget it. I back out and I hear like a thump and like it was on this big turn. So I'm backing out to go. I hear like a thump and I start driving forward. Cause I didn't look around. I don't see anything. And then I look out of my left, my mirror or my window. And I just see a bike out of my peripheral on the on its side flying down the road like skidding like sparks just flying a bike by itself and i was like

oh fuck like free bike dude like sweet like where'd this bike come from like i want it and then uh obviously like a guy came around the corner saw me backing up and then had to like put it on its side and lay it down and the bike shot out and he was like this older guy and like skidded down the road and like wanted to blame me for like backing out and my driveway to go um when it was like the gravel and how fast he was going around the corner but yeah and that's kind of like deterred me from like i saw like i get fucked up like on the bike ambulance came and everything um and i was like like you said well like can we wrap this up i gotta go i gotta work out yeah but yeah i mean motorcycles in california everyone's i mean

every fireman that i know is like don't do it like we like literally like spackle them like we take a spatula and peel them off the road every day and it's it's it's crazy to think about like my friends who are firemen are like dude fucking get out of here yeah with that shit yeah but but people that have them like love them swear by obsessed they say like if i go doing this i'll be happy yeah wow i don't know about that i've heard it yeah maybe maybe in ohio more so but yeah fucking ohio yeah there's nothing else to do except kill yourself so i think that's one thing they have is a high suicide rate. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Yeah. I met a really nice girl there. I did, too, my wife. Oh, really? She was born in Ohio, but grew up in Florida. Yeah. I keep saying these things. Like, oh, I met a girl here.

I met a girl there. You just said you didn't sleep with all these girls. Well, I mean, it's rare, but like... Yeah. The things you remember. Is this the suicide rate? Five people die by suicide daily five in ohio uh is that what that says my people die suicide daily in ohio holy fuck every 33 hours a young person in ohio dies by suicide according to news reported by Department of Health in Ohio. Wow.

Damn. That's gnarly to think about. Yeah. Well. Let's end on that positive note. Yeah, let's get on, like, a more positive note. So, um. Yeah.

Moving on now. As bad as, like, CrossFit is for making money, it is, like, incredible for meeting these like-minded people and bringing all of us together. Cause we wouldn't have it be having this conversation. For sure. We wouldn't be doing what we're doing if it weren't for this thing. I tell people all the time, cause they asked me about like all the stuff that I do. Like what's like, you know, if you had to get rid of something, like what would it be? And I almost, I almost want to say it's the podcast all the time. Cause I'm like, it puts the most stress on me cause I have to have one every week. Okay. And

like, you know, I obviously like, I'm not making money from the podcast all the time because i'm like it puts the most stress on me because i have to have one every week okay and like you know obviously like i'm not making money from the podcast really uh we have sponsors and such but like it's not something that like i really need to hang on to but it's the one thing that like when i meet everybody in person they're like dude i love your podcast like like they always bring up the podcast and then number two is like almost all the amazing things that have happened to me after the gym have been associated with people that I met on the podcast. Okay. Yeah. Like everybody that I use that runs my ads and my whole other companies and stuff that I have now are people that I met on my podcast.

Yeah. And that's what I'm finding too. It's like crazy. Yeah. The same thing where it's just like having this connection, having these conversations. Cause like when else are we going to have the ability to sit down without our phone without social media without any of that shit and just have these conversations yeah it's very rare now because like the only other place that we've met is at regionals and we're trying to rip each other's dicks off yep yeah and and that's it

and so if that's the only experience you have with that person, it's going to be 100% different than this. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. All right. Well, what do you got going on in the future, you think, here besides? Probably a few sanctionals. Definitely the Del Mar one. They're going to do a West Coast Classic or something like that.

Oh, that's dope. And it's going to be in the same venue as regionals. I think a lot of the same people that were involved with that regionals are throwing it and putting that on. I love that that's gonna be dope um you got to win that one that's got to be the one yeah that's got to be the one and then i'll probably do a few others around here and there around like the rogue invitational looks like a dope one to compete at it is cool and it almost looks better than the games right now uh i wouldn't say not better but like the coverage and like what they're doing is pretty cool.

Yeah, it's pretty cool. So just for experience-wise. Have you been there at the Rogue Invitational? No. Okay, yeah, it's cool. I mean, there's only one year, right? Yeah, so far. It's a very small venue.

My favorite one by far is Waterpalooza. Okay. Have you been there? Yeah, I've done Waterpalooza individual and team. It's just so sick, the venue. You can't beat that. And it's big and there's a lot going on

and you have good views and the hotel's right next door. With Rogue, Rogue's in the middle of nowhere. It's in the city, but it's off to the outskirts. I lived in Ohio for a few months and it's Ohio.

You know you're in Ohio. Well, you also walk through the factory and you can't use any of the shit. They don't let people use it. It's like the Smithsonian. Yeah, so you're just looking at all these cool shit and you can't do anything about it and then you walk the athlete um the athlete area is big it's a big field but then like the um like the tent area with all the all the sponsors and stuff it's pretty small yeah so like if you're not watching an event it's pretty boring yeah which i didn't really like

whereas at waterpalooza i could just walk around all day. It was so fun. Yeah, you don't even have to be at the venue. You can fucking walk into the city. Yeah, and it's just a really good vibe. I really like that one a lot. Yeah, Wadapalooza has always been one of my favorites. I think they should bring the OC Throwdown back, dude.

You should bring it back. That's the next venture. Yeah, it could be. We can do it. I was talking to... The venue was just so sick, and it's huge. The hangar. The hangar.

It's iconic. Yeah, it's so cool. And I don't use that word a lot. Yeah. Some people overuse that word. I was talking to... Because we saw somewhere, but I came up with a challenge that would be fun to do as just kind of content or just like to be like challenge ourselves as a hundred mile race,

uh, a one, one mile loop and you've got to finish it in like under 48 hours. And so it turns out to be like 16 miles an hour. You can, uh, no, sorry. 16 minute miles. You can walk to finish it, but it's just that mental piece. And we'll like have like some sponsors will like do, and we'll make it like, if you don't do and we'll make it like if you don't finish you got to get like a tattoo like a dnf tattoo oh like we'll have like a picked out one and however many like miles you don't finish say you don't finish 15 of them or whatever like this is another idea like that's the point size font that you got to get in it oh my god like if you don't finish 50 you're getting like a 50 point font of like this dnf thing and

if you don't want to get the tattoo you're like super opposed to it then it's like all right well you got to donate x amount of dollars to this charity um so doing something like that and so it's that'd be fun but at the same time it's not fun to watch like a hundred mile race no no not fun to watch but just like it's like low it's like i don't want a lot of people doing it yeah i want it to be like kind of like uh like a fun like yeah stupid thing yeah that'd be fun for like social media yeah like that'd be a good youtube episode you get a lot of hits on that for sure yeah just watching people get fucking tatted so that's the that's the future uh-huh so we got some cool events where people are gonna

get tattoos if they bitch out yeah well like you can do like the 90 minute uh assault bike yeah okay if you get off the assault bike you're getting tatted up you have to get a dick on your forehead like it's got to be aggressive things it's got to be so nobody wants to do it yeah you have like 10 people doing it or you have like a labia tattooed on your neck you know something super fucked up yeah you're You're just like, Jesus. On your Adam's apple. Yep. I'm into that. Yeah.

But I feel like we could bring the, I feel like they tried to, didn't they? Bring the OC Throne down back? Yeah, they tried, but it was just shitty people running it. But yeah. And then after that Kevin Hogarth thing, it didn't really sound too exciting. They're kind of a buzzkill. They're kind of a buzzkill. It made it terrifying. Thanks, of buzzkill it made it terrifying thanks fuck thanks kevin it really made it terrifying yeah i mean there hasn't really been any other

injuries like that no since just one i mean there's always a freak accident yeah and i think i was talking to somebody who was asking me the other day they're like how is he you know in person because he seems or they said how was he before the accident and i was like well he's literally you have to know about this guy he's the only like he this was supposed like this is his path because and this was his path because he's the only guy i know that could have taken this and like turned something good out of it and like his personality he could have taken this and like turned something good out of it and like his personality he could have taken this and like used it for the betterment of everything you know like other people that happen to them and they don't come from back from that you know yeah he's doing he's doing a great job with what he's what he has yeah for sure yeah so it's cool to see and it's exciting for like you know him to be able to i remember everybody like donating and stuff to him at

the time that was really cool yeah that's like when you see the community of crossfit how powerful it is that was really cool and it's something that was outside of crossfit.com or hq it was the community like coming together see and i feel like now i don't know if the community is as strong as it was then like if something happened now you'd be like well that sucks and just kind of keep moving on. Yeah. I mean, like you, did you hear about FaithRx? And like, you know,

did you know who Becky Kahneman was? Yeah, that was really sad. And I fucking keep bringing this back to something sad. Yeah. But I really know how to kill a podcast vibe. That was really sad. I felt really bad about that because she was so rad.

Yeah. And she just passed away like. Out of nowhere. Like out of nowhere. And was relatively young young they didn't do anything for her did they uh there was like a service that they held in denver and like but they're you know you really didn't see the the outreach i feel like of the community as much but you know i feel like that's just the time of like where we're at yeah fucking cross it right

now let people down make crossfit great again yeah dude has anyone ever made that no everyone's scared to wear it because people are getting in fucking fistfights because they think it's a maga hat because like people do spinoffs and like there's all these stories of like somebody wearing a spinoff hat that's like make crochet great again or whatever something stupid and if i was to wear that people think it's a it's a maga and they'll like try to fight him in public i i think if i was to wear like a make crossfit great again hat i would it would immediately get sent to dave castro uh-huh and then he would call me and be like i'm taking your affiliation away okay yeah if i was to honestly you have something to lose from crossfit

yeah i mean but i i think that as as much as i want i'll do it for you i want that hat so bad right now i want to do it so bad you can wear it in private yeah but like if somebody would take a photo and send it i've said certain things on social media and people will screenshot it and send it to dave yeah and like i've almost had my affiliation taken away at once yeah and i was just like you guys are there's like so many trolls out there it's like ridiculous yeah but i think that there needs to be like a make crossfit gritty and fucking hat but i mean mean, you say you talk and you program and you do this for a living and you do so many hours of it.

It's like, you're going to say something stupid. Yeah. And like, yeah, we don't mean it. But dude. But also like, I mean, CrossFit needs to be great again. Yeah, for sure. I think I could make that hat and someone could reprimand me and they're all just going to be like, well, he was kind of right.

Yeah. Yeah. I think your guy's a fucking baller. Yeah. You me and they're all just going to be like, well, he was kind of right. Yeah. Yeah. I think your guy's a fucking baller. Yeah. You know, so whatever. Fuck it. Maybe I'll do it.

Yeah. Maybe I'll do it. Do it live. Yeah. That's what we should call it. That's what the name of this podcast is going to be. Make Crossover Great Again. Yeah.

That's going to be dope. I like that. Yeah. We got a title. Yeah. Nice. Right on. All right. Well, where can people find you right now?

What's going on? We got your Instagram account for sure. Yeah. That's at Christian V. Luce, L-U-C. Twitter is the same thing. Facebook is the same thing. YouTube is the same thing. You can go to my YouTube channel.

I've got the podcast, Pardon Me, with Christian Lucero. That's on video episodes on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, the full nine. Like if you want to find it, you can find it. Uh, Lincoln bio shit, all that. I love that.

Um, and, and are people still using that? Oh yeah. I do it all the time. Yeah. You always Lincoln bio. I mean like in like a,

in a, in like a, um, what do we call it? A caption. Yeah. Yeah. I'll do,

I do it for like the chalk online program all the time yeah just like always link in bio in my uh well you know what it is it's people are just they're so so so not smart they need direction i don't want to say dumb but like direction you know i i sign up thousands of people for you know these challenges and all these different things, and they're always just asking all the questions that are literally just bulleted. It's like, I don't know what to do for you. Yeah.

I've told you four times. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I want to help you anymore either. You might just be fucked. Yeah. And that's why I don't want to be on Amazon, because if I tell someone that they're fucked, you get a one star and no one buys their shit anymore. Yeah. And did you hear Amazon is, um, so Jeff Bezos has a $600 million

contract with the CIA. He built their cloud server that they use. So the CIA backs Amazon. So like analytical data and like all that backend illegal shit that they listen to, it's Amazon uses as well. Interesting. And they get paid. They paid no taxes, uh, in 2018 for however many billions of dollars they made. They paid zero taxes and they actually get paid by the government for every package they send or ship.

So I actually made money. Oh my God. They fucking cheat coded the world wow yeah they're gonna take over the world for sure yeah amazon well i think it'll get to a point where nobody can compete with that anymore because of what the speed at their shipping and how much they're making and how cheap it is and how everything's so convenient that eventually we'll all just be ordering everything from amazon yeah food everything you want a dildo you want a diapers whatever you want diapers and apples from amazon those diapers and apples life essentials all the essentials

everyone's just getting from amazon so the government's gonna know everything you're buying in ordering okay so i think that's what they want yeah because they need to zoom in on people buying dildo diapers yeah dude like what is this person doing you know imagine being like a government worker and like seeing these like search history results and like dude it's gotta be like this and like yeah turning someone's camera on on their phone and like seeing what or search history results and like, it's gotta be like this and like turning someone's camera on, on their phone and like seeing what are on their TV and seeing what they're doing. Yeah.

A pack of Skittles and some fireworks and peanut butter. Yeah. And cough medicine. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Um, yeah.

So you guys can find me on there. Just type in dildos, diapers and apples, the essentials. Hashtag LincolnBio. Yeah, you can find me if you want to find me. I'm there. I got some competitions coming out. We'll see if the Open turns out, rolls my way,

and we make it into that top 30. But I'm going to compete regardless. And yeah, hopefully just keep... Oh, I got the tape company. Oh, yeah. Thumb tape. So we sell... This stuff is actually rad, too.

Thanks, man. Yeah, it's called Grip Tight Tape. Instagram. If you guys like that stretchy type of thumb tape. Yeah. If you like good thumb tape, stretchy and sticky. Yeah. If you don't like...

If you like good... If you like shitty, then don't. Then don't. Keep ordering the shit you're already ordering. we give you like 30 feet so we got big fat rolls a quarter contrary to what your girlfriend tells you bigger is better very girthy yeah girth and size do matter and um yeah grip tight tape for all that grip tight tape.com so got that tape company doing doing the podcast, competing. And like you said, just trying to,

you know, while I'm still competing, while I'm still doing what I love to do, do all these other things that I love to do and that are, you know, fun and I'm passionate about. And coincides with everything. Yeah, absolutely. It's all peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Yep, it's all right there.

All right. Link in bio. All right, thank you so much. Thanks, man. Bye. Dude, that was funny as fuck. Oh. I don't want to drive right now.

You got to go to LA? Yeah. I'm going to get Mike. Mike! Taking a shit? What? I'm hoping to get some food before I... Rooster's right here on the corner.

Has it got some decent food? Yeah, it's got some good food. Breakfast spot. They've got breakfast, lunch. What the fuck? You might have to edit out this last audio. Or just cut it where we need to cut it. I'll ask him where he needs to stop it.

Hello? Hey, what's up? Yeah, we're done. What do I need to do? Stop. Stop. Space.