Barbell Shrugged - Unlearning Our Parents and Owning What We Actually Believe w/ Anat Peri — Feed Me Fuel Me #114

Episode Date: November 22, 2018

This week we sit down with Anat Peri, founder of Training Camp for the Soul and dive deep into the lessons we got from our parents. In our discussion with Anat, we look at Mother and Father as teachers, and which of them are responsible for our perception of things such as vulnerability. The answers will shock you! We’ll also get into how habits stem from emotion and manifest in how you show up in the world. If your in a phase of self discovery and introspection, are seeking answers but don’t know what questions to ask, sit down and listen up! This episode is for you!   Enjoy! - Jeff and Mycal ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Show notes: http://www.shruggedcollective.com/fmfm_peri ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ► Subscribe to Shrugged Collective's Channel Here http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedSubscribe 📲 🎧 Listen to the audio version on the Apple Podcast App or Stitcher for Android Here- http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedApple http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedStitcher Shrugged Collective is a network of fitness, health and performance shows that help people achieve their physical and mental health goals.  Usually in the gym, but outside as well. In 2012 they posted their first Barbell Shrugged podcast and have been putting out weekly free videos and podcasts ever since. Along the way we've created successful online coaching programs including The Shrugged Strength Challenge, The Muscle Gain Challenge, FLIGHT, Barbell Shredded, and Barbell Bikini. We're also dedicated to helping affiliate gym owners grow their businesses and better serve their members by providing owners tools and resources like the Barbell Business Podcast. Find Shrugged Collective and their flagship show Barbell Shrugged here: SUBSCRIBE ON ITUNES ► http://bit.ly/ShruggedCollectiveiTunes WEBSITE ► https://www.ShruggedCollective.com INSTAGRAM ► https://instagram.com/shruggedcollective FACEBOOK ► https://facebook.com/barbellshruggedpodcast TWITTER ► http://twitter.com/barbellshrugged

This is episode number 114 of the Feed Me, Fuel Me podcast with our special guest, founder of Training Camp for the Soul, Anat Perry. Welcome to the Feed Me, Fuel Me podcast. My name is Jeff Thornton, alongside my co-host, Michael Anders. Each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message related to our three pillars of success, manifestation, business, fitness, and nutrition. Our intent is to enrich, educate, and empower our audience to take action, control, and accountability for their decisions. Thank you for allowing us to join you on your journey. Now let's get started.

Hey, what's going on guys? Welcome to another episode of the Feed Me, Fuel Me podcast. There's Jeff coming to you from Encinitas, California, and we had the pleasure of speaking with transformational coach Anat Perry. How are you, darling? Wonderful. It's a beautiful sunny Sunday. Right. It's so good to sit down with you. We got a hold of you via Mike Bledsoe. In his words, you are responsible for his biggest transformation to date. And I've known him for a handful of years now. And I've seen him go through a number of transformations. So I know that that's saying a lot. And for everybody who doesn't know who you are, what you do, and how you ended up in the hot seat today, kind of walk us through your journey to life coaching and creating a relationship with Mike.

Where does one begin? Thank you, Mike. Thank you guys for having me. Yeah. So I've been in the transformational space for about 14 years, and I spent 10 of those years focusing mainly on myself. On getting to a place where I felt like my life looks transformed, actually looks different. My garden does not look the same. I'm not just tending to the same weeds over and over again.

And it took a lot longer than I ever wanted or expected, but it was something that I was committed to no matter what, because I always knew I wanted to serve others in this way. I just knew that until I serve myself, I cannot serve others in that. So, um, it took about 10 years, like I said, and then I, I, uh, ventured out. I worked with different mentors during those years. I did a lot of different modalities, whether it was NLP or, um, uh, cognitive work, working in big organizations like, uh, landmark education or the Chopra center, meditation, all that stuff, um, to more into, uh, plant medicine, working with healers, energy work, somatic work. So really went full spectrum into all of it to get clear on what the best tools are.

And I knew that I got to the right tools when I experienced that shift within myself. And of course it could be different for each person. But to me it was, the ultimate goal was always being able to bring this to others and serve others. I think ever since I was 16 years old, my friends were coming to me for advice. God knows what I said to them then. But whatever I said to them then was much wiser than whatever they could give themselves at the time so it's like this was something i always wanted to do i actually wanted to major in psychology but i didn't want the eight years of school right so i went the

route of business and finance like my father instead okay and uh ended up spending, you know, 14 plus years in experiential school discovering this. And I'm glad I went that route, but so this was always a deep desire for me. And so for me seeking the things that I knew would work for me, I knew that if I can embody this, I can teach others how to embody it as well. So fast forward meeting Mike about three years ago, I was already leading my own retreats. I was working with clients one-on-one and I wasn't really clear on who I wanted to serve. So I was just like, God, bring me those that need my medicine. Whoever you bring, I will will serve i didn't really have a niche market and i met mike and we had an instant connection and friendship it was just like really deep friendship right away it's like as if we knew we had this big mission together in life and

he invited me to speak at one of his events and really saw that there's a huge need in the fitness space. You know, these are amazing human beings that are up to transforming their body, understanding nutrition, understanding health, always seeking. And I saw that there was a gap in, uh, their mental and emotional, um, strength. Uh, there's a physical strength there, but, um, that there was a gap in that. And so, um, thanks to Mike being, uh, at that event and getting exposed to a lot of people in the fitness space and the CrossFit space, uh, it broke me into working with a lot. And so most of my clients now are in that space, whether they own a gym or they're coaches or they're athletes. And it's been great to see how there's such a level of commitment and openness that they have. And so the results happen so fast because there is such a dedication that it takes to be physically

fit and so if you're willing to do that with the support of being in uh you know in in a loving environment people will be willing to face also their emotional stuff yeah so. So. A lot of the coaches that we've had on the show prior kind of one of the common character traits they have is their, I would categorize them as natural empaths where you just have this innate ability to feel what others feel. And as heavy as that, that coat can be, you, uh, are innately equipped to carry it for us, you know, a short or long period of time. Uh, would you, do you feel like that's a strong character trait for you? Oh, absolutely. I experienced it last night. My, uh, my boyfriend's mom is in town and she's a widow. It's only been like two and a half years. And we were watching some movie that triggered

something for her about her husband. So she just sat there and she's like, and not, can I just share with you about this? And she's sitting there just sharing her story and this and that. And, and then she's like, okay gotta go gotta go brush my teeth and she gets up to go and i'm just like sitting in there like crying and and my boyfriend's like what's up i was like i just i feel her yeah i feel like i feel her sadness i feel her you know her her her grief all that so and uh he's like and i said to him i was like i'm very empathic that's exactly what I said to him. Same thing happens if he ever gets moved to tears when he thinks about his father.

Immediately I just start to, I just, I feel it. But it doesn't, there is a strength that I have around it where I can allow myself to really feel it, but not have it take over where, and I think that's something that some people that are empaths really are, and they may not be coaches, but people that are very empathic that they're challenged with is it so takes over that they don't know how to ground back into their own emotions and their own energy. For me, it's been really helpful in feeling connected to my clients. Right.

Is to be able to be with what they're experiencing and feel it, but not take it on as if it's my job to transmute it. Right. As if it's mine as well. Is that a learned skill for you or have you always been able to create that separation between self and others' emotions? I would say that the more you heal your own stuff, your own emotions. So is it learned? I don't know if learned is the right word as much as I healed things within myself. I can connect to that experience because I know it, but it's not triggering something in me.

Sure. So I feel that for a lot of people that are empathic, if they are taking it on or it's taking over their system, it's because it's actually pointing at something that there is for you. Got it. Yeah. So along your path and, you know, you said that this is where you're at now has been a conscious life path for you for a lot of years. What was your biggest transformation? What was the thing you overcame?

What did you begin to embody that you're like okay now i'm in a space where i can serve great question yes probably healing the parts of me that were really um um, the, the little girl in me that didn't have the love, the attention that she needed, the quality time that she desired with my father. Okay. And my father was around, he still is is around actually it was his birthday yesterday and uh but he worked when i was a child up until we moved to america from israel so until i was seven he worked 16 hours a day running a hotel so i didn't really have a lot of time

and what people need to understand is that the relationship a child, whether it's a boy or girl, have with their father is father represents father's the first experience that you have of something outside of you loving you. Okay. Okay. I'll backtrack here a bit. Mom, you spent nine, ten months in the womb in mom's energy. Mom's energy feels very familiar to you. You come out of the womb, you're born, she holds you, and you're just like, oh, well, this feels familiar.

You don't know what you're seeing or hearing yet, but you can feel, as a baby, you can feel the energy. And that energy feels familiar. It feels like the energy you just spent nine or so months in. Right. So automatically it forms this relationship with mom that mom is me. Mom is an extension of me. And so mom and dad can behave and say the exact same thing.

But how you view, like you look at mentors right how you view the teacher mom is mom is going to teach me everything about the self because she is me she's an extension of me and then dad comes and picks you up and says son i love you i'm your father and you're like well this energy, I've never felt this energy before, but I'd imagine the first time your father picks you up, he's in a state of extreme love that, you know, his energy is just so loving. And so that baby feels something outside of that familiar energy, uh, that feels very loving. And so suddenly the bond, the mentorship, what this person, this entity represents

is something outside of me loving me. Father represents the world. Father represents the heart. Father represents the relationship with the ultimate father, with God. Because again, God, we don't see God. It's something outside of us that we are told to believe is here for us. So same thing, your father represents something outside of you. So going back to me, not having that time with my dad really created a gap in my learning. There's things that we learn from our teachers, also known as mom and dad. And so mom, a lot of times we will learn about everything related to how to take care of

ourself, how to know what we need and want, um, how to feel safe within ourselves. Father is going to teach us everything related to everything outside of us, love and relationships with others, vulnerability, right? Being open to something outside of us, God,

purpose, passion, courage. And so not having in those early years years which is when you're being developed and that script is forming not having enough time with my father sure uh created learning that wasn't what you really want to learn like how it affected me was i'm invisible. I don't matter. Other things are more important than me because here's this thing, this man that represents the world that presents love and relations with others.

And he's leaving the house at 6am, getting home at 10pm, doing it all over again. And I may see him for a day on the weekend. So how does that imprint me? What does that teach me about God being there for me or a man being there for me? What does that teach me about relationships with men?

Sure. So here I am as an adult in my early 30s repeating the same thing with men because, again, these early years form your script that's very interesting in your description of what mother is here to teach and what father is here to teach and the word that sticks out to me in turn in what father brings to the table is he's there to teach you vulnerability, which is, you know, in a very naive sense, vulnerability is in the feminine category. And for those that don't speak this language, they put femininity in the camp of women. So, you know, if you're connecting those dots in this way, you would think it's very easy to think that mother's there to teach you vulnerability. Whereas as men, especially in American society, vulnerability is shunned.

Put that shit away. Hold that inside. And as a father, I've got a two and a half year old and a six month old. It's very interesting that that's my job to teach that. Can you see why? Oh, yeah. No, I get it. I've been in this circle for quite a while, so I completely understand.

But I've not heard it out loud that way. So that's really interesting. interesting yeah because again the child knows or expects mom is always going to be here mom is me mom is just an extension of me sure and so it's easy you know to to feel that safe and comfortable with mom and so with dad it's like every time there's this chance that you're taking to be open. And for a father to also show his emotions or share with you or open up to you about things. Right. Because, again, he represents the world.

So if dad is just busy being a provider, which my father was a great provider. Sure. Loving man, but just no time in actually showing that. So even now, I'm still learning what vulnerability is. In my relationship, my boyfriend's always saying, be more vulnerable. And the thing that comes to mind is, what does that look like? I don't have a lot of frameworks for that. I don't have a lot of frameworks for that.

I don't have a lot of experiences when I was a child of here's what it looks like. Here's what it looks like. Again, how we learn as children is by what we see, what we hear, and what we feel. Correct. And that imprint is your script. Yeah. And it keeps running. And if you don't replace it or get new learning, then you're going to default to that always. So I'm still learning.

He had a father that was very engaged, very involved in so many ways. So to him, he's got so many frameworks for it. Right, right. And so it's a, you know, he's a blessing in my life because he has, he can bring that out of you. He brings that out of me and he, you know, he, he wants that with me. Sure. But, uh, I spent many years in relationships with men that fit the script of my father. Right. That makes sense. So for those listening, you know, if you look at the patterns in your life, most likely you are just replaying a script, handing new people the role to play. Play my father, play my father, play my father.

I was in many relationships. I'll be 39 next week, so I spent many relationships like that. As you continue to hand out that script, is it with the intention that, you know, here, play my father with the expectation of filling that void that's missing? Or do you not even recognize that the void is there until you get the education that you have? So most people are not aware. It is completely unconscious. I was not aware. It is completely unconscious. I was not aware. But people go towards what feels familiar. Oh, this feels familiar.

Good, bad, or indifferent. Completely absent of labels. This is normal. It's unconscious. Oh, why am i attracted to this person and you don't realize that oh you're attracted because they exactly fit the role that you're looking to fill and then there's the part of you that's really hoping that you could rewrite it you could change it with this person right right yeah how you know you said you moved from israel to america how was that transition and how did it affect you in your life because that's completely two

different cultures you know yeah it wasn't so much the culture because i was six and a half okay so still but uh it was a traumatizing experience, now traumatizing. You know, trauma is a big word. We can say, you know, abuse is trauma, all that. But even just to me, and I didn't realize this until about 20 years later as I started to delve into the work, leaving at six and a half years old, my home, my country, right, my home, my language, my friends, my family being taken out of everything that was familiar to me and coming to New York city, uh, was a real shock. And at six and a half, you don't have logic yet. Logic is formed at seven.

You know, the brain is fully, not the brain, but that part of the brain starts operating then. So I didn't understand it. There wasn't really much understanding. There was more just accepting it. And so the shock of that created this real anger in me towards my parents of like, I can't trust you. Like you took me away from everything that was familiar to me. But I didn't process that experience, that anger or that feeling of you could, it was kind of like, it felt like a betrayal to be to have everything that's familiar taken from you until a few years ago because again it's not about remembering these

things if so if you would have asked me this 10 years ago i would have said i don't know it's fine i just didn't really understand much of the language and then suddenly i spoke it and i'm happy to be an american happy to be be living here. Glad my parents made that choice, right? That's what I would have said and not really seen how much, uh, of the, um, emotions around that experience. I didn't actually process that affected my life later on affected in, in a negative and a positive way i have an older brother and a younger sister my sister was born in america so she she's very different than us my brother and i are both bigger risk takers we both left uh um we've both moved a few times in our lives on our own and just like left everything and started

over for the better. And so it's given us that courage to just take leaps in that way. So that's like a plus I would say. But, um, there was still things that I would say that you don't know in your system that are affecting you and being able to trust others that's really interesting because I was like just trying to think of all the work that it goes through to get to that point is that's the hard process for me because there we talked a lot about blind spots this entire weekend and it's like somebody else say something like Mike asked me a question the other day or after we got done interviewing him and I was like for the first time I didn't have an answer and I was like I just kept rambling and rambling and rambling and I talked to Durs and Max I was like you know that was an interesting question because I didn't know that I needed that question asked I know I

needed some types of questions asked but I didn't know it was that specific question that would throw me so far off balance and it made me me reevaluate, like, what is the actual purpose of, like, what I'm working towards? Or, like, where am I missing? Where's the gap in my knowledge or, you know, my personal life to fill that? It's just crazy how you're able to, through your life, discover that over a time period of continuing to work on yourself. And, you know, like, just having these conversations like this, like this you start seeing like your mindset or Mike's mindset and like people who are willing to go deep and really you know uncover the stuff that is hard to look at because you know if we like to cover things up that's just really

insight or like really enlightening to me so like that's crazy how you were able to do that and just be so comfortable in that zone yeah and i'm still uncovering stuff i'm still uncovering and if you know the the real key to what i found to really uncovering the wisdom the like the answer is being with the sensations and the emotions that we normally run from in whatever way, whether it's food, whether it's drugs, whether it's alcohol, whether it's television, whether it's just, let me just go hang out with friends, um, instead to sit with it and really be with it. I mean, I uncovered something huge two weeks ago that I'm still like, oh, my God, I never saw this about myself. Anger is an emotion that I don't like to express or feel.

Except for at my mother. I think my mother is the only one. And I still don't know why that is. She does. Um, I'm really, I, and I, I actually, I feel that it's probably because that connection I have with my mom is just like, well, she's unconditional love. She's always going to be there. So I can say whatever you want, I can say whatever, and she's going to be there. And with other people, I still feel that, you know, fear of loss in some way with them. And so by no means do I feel that you should express anger

inappropriately, but there's still a need, even if you're not an angry person and expressing it externally, there's still a need for the body, for the system to, um, to feel it and to process. Cause underneath anger is, um, is probably some disappointment or betrayal or, and then like sadness. And, um, so something happened with my boyfriend that like stirred up that anger in me. And was like hey i'm not gonna say anything now and the next day i was just like i didn't notice how fast i went to logic in it most people will go to their head and say well we were under the influence a little bit we were at a concert this has only happened twice before it's fine i love him i know who he really is which can you see i'm just like talking my way out of actually letting myself feel and i'm quick to come back to like unconditional love and so i did

share with him but i had it as like a very um you know like matter of fact conversation here's what you said this can't happen again and like thinking like okay i'm good and um a few days later he and i met up to go to the movies and he messages me the next morning and he's like i didn't sleep well last night i have to tell you i didn't feel connected to you i felt like you were in genuine I didn't sleep well last night. I have to tell you, I didn't feel connected to you. I felt like you were ingenuine. You didn't feel like yourself. I don't know what's going on. And so, long story short, I had to take a couple of days to really process all this and see that a part of me was still really angry at him.

But I was so disconnected from him. This is what we do. We disconnect from parts of us that we don't want to feel. And if we're disconnected from it, then other people around this are going to feel a disconnection from us. And me specifically, I'm normally a very loving person. So if what I didn't see that I do unconsciously is I don't fully process it, but I'm still a bit angry. And so I become passive aggressive and I withhold a bit of my love from you of how i normally am with you right and i noticed that that night that that date that he and i were on i was in my head a lot i was like but and and so again i didn't give myself we should not have met that night and it's perfect because i wouldn't know any of this if it didn't happen it took me another four days to see and what happened four days later

is one evening i just allowed myself to like i got in the shower i was getting ready for bed and i just started to cry and i just felt the anger i felt all of it i went to bed i'm still crying for like 15 minutes i wake up the next day and I'm just like, I pull out my journal and my relationship with them first instead of me first. And making sure that I am loving all parts of me. That I'm really giving voice to my full experience and evaluating everything and choosing from there after experiencing all of it. And so I went to the beach that day. I left my phone at home. I was like, I just went to the beach that day. I left my phone at home. I was

like, I just need to be with me completely. Took my journal, processed everything of like, you know, what do I love about him? What do I not? What do I love about myself? What do I not? And boy, was that list long. I'm like, hey, where am I an asshole, so to speak? Where am I not showing up as my greatest? And because at the end of the day can't change another person so you can look and see but a lot of times how someone else is showing up is a mirror uh for you so i was like okay i could say all these things about him but where am i this as well right and then it came to like well who am i committed to being in this relationship and we just celebrated a year together and we talk about marriage and kids and all that. So this isn't just some whatever relationship. This is my person.

And I was like, who am I committed to being that I haven't been showing up? And I was like, wow, I don't express my needs and wants enough. You know, I'm, I'm always so quick to forgive. And it's like, I'm not like I'm constantly abandoning a part of me so here I am transformational coach help other people with this but you know I'm not perfect I'm still constantly willing to look and learn and the beauty of being in a relationship is it's going to give you that perfect uh mirror constantly and so you know I got clear on all that and clear on who I want to be in this relationship and funny enough he reached out to be in this relationship. And funny enough, he reached out to me that evening and he was just like, I didn't hear from you all day.

And I'm like, you said you wanted space. He's like, I wanted physical space. And I'm like, oh, well, okay. Well, I needed full energetic everything space. But he felt it. We had a great conversation and we shifted it. And now here we are two weeks later and our relationship is stronger than ever and i am aware of the part of me that i'm quick to abandon and that's anytime i feel hurt or anger i'm i don't want to feel that yeah and i never saw that about

myself i saw i knew that i was someone that was like, I don't express anger. You're not gonna, you're rarely, I mean, if you see me yell at you or get angry, then I don't know, you must have really done something that I've still yet to experience. Um, and so, but to see that part of like, it's okay if you don't yell at someone, but you still need to feel through all of that. Uh, and so I don't know how we got to this here. Um, but you know, the, really the, the lesson I've really learned in, in the past few weeks is the importance of seeing what is it that we're not willing to feel what's uncomfortable what is that emotion and uh i you know i asked my clients some of this recently and i gave them like anger sadness joy love and fear shame guilt and i said you know post on in the Facebook group, what are the ones that you're uncomfortable allowing yourself to feel? And you'd be amazed how many of them say fear

and joy, anger, sadness. Right. But it's like, even the ones that you think it should be easy to feel like, yeah, I want to feel love. I want to feel joy. People rob themselves up and it's usually because they're not willing to allow themselves to feel the, um, the lows. So then how can you allow yourself to feel the highs? There's just this like undeservingness and more of this living flat line. Yeah. No do you how do you facilitate that in people that either aren't aware that they need this work or are become conscious of like there's there's a gap in my emotional arsenal and like jeff was saying they know that there's there's an answer but they don't they don't know the question yes perfect okay so i think this kind of circles back to before

so before a lot of time before it's an emotion even before it's a thought a lot of times we're like i'm angry i'm depressed i'm this We put all these labels that are really more like an observation than the emotion. So even underneath the anger, it's a sensation. It's a sensation in the body. And so the practice that I take people through is feeling that sensation. So even at my retreat, sometimes people come up to the hot seat, or as I prefer to call it, the healing seat. And they'll be like, I don't remember anything before I was 10. And I'm like, okay, cool.

Come on up. It's like they're trying to remember with their mind. And the body keeps the score. The cellular memory is there. The, you know, the, the, the emotion, the, the feeling, the experience it's, it's there. So I have them more, I more guide them to what are their feet, what they're feeling in their body to where is that energy stuck in the body, blocking the flow of love. So they may say, well, I'm like, what are you, what are you feeling right now? I'm feeling this like tightness in my chest. And I'll say, okay, just be with that sensation. Allow it. Feel it. Most of the time, we don't allow it.

We want to change it. We want it to stop. What are we doing in that moment? We're rejecting it. That's not love. You know, you look at self-esteem. The definition of esteem is to respect or admire. And so if you are rejecting, you are not respecting in the concept of it and then it's a practice to really develop that allowing yourself to be with whatever it is that you are feeling

allowing that sensation in the body to be there and putting all your focus on that spot and just observing it just being with it with love and compassion and curiosity like oh interesting i'm feeling this tightness in my chest right now it feels really warm okay it's okay think about a child so you have a two-year-old you said and a six-month-old So you have a two year old and a six month old. So you're a two year old. They come to you and they're like, daddy, and this happened.

You know, you're going to listen to them. You're not going to say, Oh, you're fine. Just go play. Right. Cause are they fine yet?

Right. Right. A lot of times that, is it a boy? Yep. Yep. Your son just needs to let all that be expressed. Right.

And felt, and he just wants you to understand. Sure. There's nothing that you need to do. Right. But just give him love and attention in that moment. Yeah. And when you do, he comes out of that and he's like, he forgets about it and he's ready to play it's so funny that's that's how you describe it because that's exactly how it is you know he goes through you

know uh stubs his toe or you know uh scares himself somehow uh he comes running up you know make it better make it better make it And pick him up, hold him. You good? Okay. Okay, go play. And it's over. You know, in a split second. Yeah.

And somewhere we lost the connection to our body and to allowing that. Whether we were taught that or society says that. Toughen up. You're fine. Just go play. Or the way we just rush to run away from pain and distract ourselves and make it wrong. Like as if being sad and angry is bad. Being happy and in love is good.

Instead of they're all just sure emotions well it's funny that you say that because we had a long conversation with uh jessica woods uh one of my old coaches and uh you know we got into a long discussion about happiness being a choice and i think that in this space as people become more aware of uh you know taglines like that you know happiness is a choice you know the the very naive thing to do is to ignore all the other stuff right and instead of the the the masculine rhetoric that society gives us where you know don't feel what you need to feel internalize it uh the the other side of that, happiness being a choice, is, well, throw anger away, don't feel it,

and choose to be happy again. Well, diving into this conversation, there's that extra piece of information where you do indeed need to feel what you're feeling for as long as you need to feel it exactly give your permission give yourself permission to do so and then when that feeling is no longer serves you that's that's the construct in my eyes is when that's when that feeling no longer serves you, okay, now choose to be happy again. Yeah, and it's, there's a difference. Is that accurate?

So it's close. Okay. And there's a difference between being with it and indulging in it. Oh, okay. I use the analogy, I'm like, well, don't jump into the shit pool with that part of you, but connect to that part of you and,

uh, and, and pull that part out. So there's this, you know, you can cry from a place of like, Oh my God. And this like pity and sadness and sorry for yourself.

And where what's actually happening in that moment is you are having a lot of other thoughts and adding story to the feeling. Right. And the thoughts and the stories are fueling that anger, that sadness, that love, any of those. So the practice is to really, it's very like to what the whole point of meditation is is to let go of the thought and just be with the sensation that's there as just all it is is a sensation and a lot of times people like i you know i just can't be with this anymore i can't be with that i'm like no no actually you need to learn to be with it and recognize that it's a sensation and everything else that you're adding to it is just imagined

is just stories. And so, um, you won't actually have to choose at a point to be like, well, this no longer serves me. You'll be like, oh, well I could be this any time that this comes up. All it is is a sensation. And the wisdom shows up. The clarity arises when you can be with it from a loving place. A lot of times that tightness in the chest suddenly won't be there anymore just because you allowed it so much to be. And it happens so many times. I mean, this is how I got to the clarity I got to two weeks ago.

Just like, wow, I see where I withheld like so much of my love from this person. So wisdom comes and suddenly you feel free. Yeah. There isn't this, I need this. Okay, enough, enough indulging. And now let me go be happy. It's happiness will emerge in that you're integrating that part of you back to the rest of you from a place of love. And you're actually able to raise that vibration back to to love. Yeah, so I mean just Allowing ourselves to be with all the energies all the emotions. Mm-hmm

That's awesome key. Yeah, so in your journey of learning everything that you've been going through you've gone through several different prices NLP Was there one person? I know I imagine there's been many people but was there one specific person that sticks out in your mind that really opened you up to, had that profound moment on you that made you dive deep into yourself? Yes. I'm laughing because as you're saying that first, I thought about the body mind psychologist that I worked with that became one of my mentors that really led to a lot of the work that I now facilitate. But then what I really thought about was actually the guy that I was dating at the time and that he was the catalyst for me diving into the deepest work of my life. Wow. Yeah. And so it wasn't like, oh, we should like give him a trophy. Thank you. It was more for, I think for everyone listening here to recognize that sometimes, you know, your, your, your biggest teacher isn't going to be a teacher or a mentor, but it's going to be your brother. It's going to be your former business partner. It's going to be your ex-boyfriend or your girlfriend. And you know, they're coming

into your life to be the thing that just gets you so deep in your heart. So feeling so heartbroken, so frustrated that you can't have what it is that you think you want with this person or in this relationship, um, that leads you to just really seeking the answers. So, yeah. So I'd say, you know, I look back and I'm like, well, thank God for him. He was the catalyst in my life. And then of course the, the other people that showed up to introduce me to, you know, at the time, um, uh, uh, this body, my psychologist that I worked with and specifically the work I did with him was it, and I can't even give credit to the work or to him and not to not give credit.

I could give credit to both. But the credit really is also to myself. And this is the same thing I tell my clients now. Like they thank me. I had a client thank me today in a post on Instagram. And, you know, Michael saying, you know, that I'm responsible for his biggest transformation. And I'm like, hey, well, I can take credit for that. But really, it's each of them doing the work.

Right, right. You know, when people look at doing my retreat, I say to them, I was like, I want you to ask me a question. Anat, is this going to work for me? And they're like, okay. Anat, is this going to work for me? I go, no.

They're like, okay. Is this going to work for me? And I'm like, nope, this isn't going to work for you. This is going to work with you. I'm this going to work for you? I'm like, nope, this isn't going to work for you. This is going to work with you. I'm not going to work for you. I'm going to work with you. It's the same thing as a gym. You can have the nicest gym, best music, best equipment.

But if someone goes in there and they're not doing their part, that shit ain't working. And so I can give credit to a lot of people in my life. And at the end of the day, you need to show up for you. Yeah. How do you get? You're the one that could save you. Nobody else. And we don't know at what point that's going to be.

That's why I tell people, I'm like, my work is great. And you may get to it in some other way. It's when you decide that you're ready to commit no matter what. And then trusting that whoever shows up, whatever teachers, whatever people show up, they're the ones guiding you because you finally made that decision and that commitment. How do you help people gain appreciation for that simple fact that the people in the circumstances that come into your life to teach you the biggest lessons oftentimes aren't in a position of instruction or mentorship. It's some asshole that you dated back in the day or a real shitty business situation or whatever. And I would assume that a lot of people that seek you out are coming from a place of victimhood, right? And part of what you bring them out of is ownership of their part

of the equation. How do you help them gain an appreciation for the concept that these adverse circumstances, this adversity that you've been through, came about to bring awareness to your consciousness and teach you a lesson. Yeah, so I think off the bat, if people are coming and they're in such a place of victim, and some people come to me when they're in that, and some people come because they're just seekers and they're hungry for more. But if someone's in a place of victimhood, telling someone that is not going to register for them. You can't tell them. You have to bring them to seeing where the gift in this lies.

But one of my own practices to this day is when something happens that I don't want to accept, I practice as quick as possible, already saying thank you for this experience. Like literally saying, because how many of you can look back, whether it's two weeks ago, which now I could really easily say thank you

for that breakdown with my boyfriend, or five years ago and say, oh my God, thank God that happened. Right. We look back and we say it. So if we can actually step into believing that everything that happens is for your highest and greatest, even if it doesn't look that way. And so start saying thank you now. And you may be in it like two weeks ago, it was hard. I'm just sitting there and I'm like, thank you now and you may be in it like two weeks ago it was hard i'm sitting there and i'm like thank you thank you and i don't feel it yet but i'm saying it because i want to be able to see the gift in this instead of continuing to see the you know the the the shit

in this the victim of this so it's, if, if any of you listening are experiencing something right now that you don't want to be experiencing, I want you to get that. If you start saying thank you now, it's like clearing that, that, that path. Um, you know, they say, uh, suffering is optional. Suffering only shows up when you are in an argument with reality. The quicker you can accept whatever is happening to you as this is what's happening. It's it. Don't, you know, don't fight it. It's that resistance to it that has you suffer. You know, if you're, if we're in traffic, let's say we're driving from here to LA, most likely we're gonna hit some traffic.

We can resist it or spend time thinking about why is there traffic? Is it that there's an accident, lanes merging, like this sucks, da da da, or I can say, all right, well, me trying to figure that out is not gonna get rid of the fact that what is happening right now is that there's traffic. Right.

So instead I can be like, hey, there's traffic. Cool. Well, I could barely, you know, basically put my car in park right now. I could snack on the yogurt I have. Or great, I have Michael in the car with me. He and I can get into this whole, you know, we really have time to catch up. Or now I can catch up with my mom on the phone or this or that. It's like looking for the gold in, in, in, in all of it. And if you can't

find the gold, it's just start saying, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This is happening. I know this is for my highest and greatest and watch that suddenly your perspective changes and you're not looking for the why this sucks. You're more looking for the gift in it and suddenly you'll see it. So going forward with that, helping people come to seeing, tell us about your retreat. Mike wouldn't shut up about it. Well, then listen to that podcast now. Don't give away the secrets, but I want to know about it. What do you want to know? Well, give us the construct.

You know, you lock yourselves away in the cabin. Yeah, so we take... You set the mood. You do all the things. Yeah, so we take six people. We only take six because it's deep work. Yeah. And we want people to have that.

It's necessary to have that one-on-one attention. Did Mike tell you about my mushroom experience with him? No. Okay. So as soon as you finish setting the stage, I'm trying to decipher how deep it actually goes. Go ahead. Yeah. So, I mean, we'd love to serve more we've just come to realize no six is really that magic number where there's enough people going through it together that um they influence each other like we we you

know it's it's it's like well why not just do one-on-one? Because there's something about being in a group, but that group is like, that six is like the magic number. So we're in a house together for about five and a half days. We do it right now in Idlewild, California, which is in beautiful mountains, gorgeous mountain home views of all the mountains. And we delve into uncovering, what did you learn? What did you learn from your caretakers, which for most people were mom and dad. And even if dad wasn't around, let's say dad left when you were two years old, even the absence of father

creates a learning. Cause again, if father's responsible for certain subjects and even if mom then stepped into playing the role of mom and dad, or so you think it does not translate that way. Okay. Because energetically mom is an extension of self. So if dad wasn't around at all, there's going to be a gap in, in, uh, you know, and there was no male role model there. Instead, there's going to be a gap in the learning that you should learn from dad. So anyway, we delve into uncovering it and we're looking at the five, um, the five areas of childhood development, five areas that you want to be functional in, in order to have the best, uh, chance to succeed in all areas of life as an adult. Okay. So self-esteem, which is like your worthiness, expressing your needs and wants.

So knowing what you need and want and expressing it appropriately. Sure. So responsibility, so your ability to react, respond appropriately to others and to be responsible for yourself. Limits and boundaries. So knowing your limits and your boundaries with yourself and others, like budgeting, money, time, energy. That's, you know, that that's a limit right there. Boundaries of, well, do you have walls so hard that you don't let anyone in? Or are you a doormat that everyone gets to walk all over, right? Just some examples of it.

And accountability. And accountability is more like vulnerability. Like being accountable for what it is that you're experiencing and your willingness to show up authentically in that and, and share that with others and connect with others in that way. And so, you know, we, we uncover first, where are you at as a starting point in these? Do you have low self-esteem? Do you have no self-esteem? Do you have other self-esteem? So, you know, each one we, um, being a people pleaser, um, being a, uh, a workaholic where you feel like you need to succeed in order to feel worthy, um, undercharging, undervaluing yourself in your business, right? Just some examples. So people could see, wow, here's how it affects my life. And so under each one of these categories is anywhere from 100 to 300 possible limiting beliefs.

Jesus. Okay. And so we look at, we spend two and a half days on mom. And we start off with mom. Why? Because that's where you started. Mom represents a self. And so we go through each one of these areas and really look at, um, what, what you

learned, what you learned from her and how she treated herself and how she was with you and how she was with others, what you learned by what you heard, saw, and felt energetically from her. And, uh, so I give you these lists. It's not like you have to come up with the, you know, limiting beliefs. You're going to look at these lists of them and you're going to uncover the ones that you felt you learned from mom. And it's interesting because after people do it and then they read the ones that they highlighted and they're like, Oh, no wonder my life looks the way that it looks. Here's my script. This is it. This is my operating system. This is what's running the show of my life. And so from there, we start the healing seat, the hot seat work of, okay, there's a bunch of these beliefs that are just playing out in my mind.

And then there's like a handful of, let's's say 10 to 20 that are deeply ingrained they've actually formed um your your character so they they don't occasionally show up in a scene in your life like you actually believe that uh like my client today that, uh, posted about, um, his experience on Instagram, he had it that like, nobody, uh, nobody's going to be there for you. No one's going to help you. Something happened when he was, I think in kindergarten. And again, he didn't remember this. He didn't realize this, that, uh, he, um, uh, he didn't feel supported. He felt all alone. And so he like decided in that moment, like you can't count on anyone, no one's going to help you. And how this played out in his life that we uncovered when he was in the healing seat was, uh, he would constantly choose mentors that he felt didn't know as much as him

so that he could prove that no one can help you. Oh, my God. He reaffirmed his story. Oh, constantly. And this is someone that came to the retreat with his girlfriend because he wanted to support her. But he felt like, I'm good. My life's awesome.

I make, you know, he makes like six figures a month. Uh, you know, my parents are great. Everything's good, but I'm curious. I'm interested if you guys will uncover something and we end up uncovering the mothership that has been running his life. And he was in for, for, for the rest of that day when we uncovered that i think it was day two we uncovered that uh he uh it moved so much energy in him that he was exhausted he had no appetite and he was like i feel like i could sleep for like 24 hours yeah that's how much there was to integrate and so that happens a lot where we're uncovering something that is not on the surface, whatever you're coming there with that you think, you know, um, there's, there's

something deeper than that. And this has freed him up so much. Um, so anyways, uh, so yeah, so, so we, we, we do a lot of work to really look at the deeply rooted beliefs that you have. Um, what, what, what's at the root of them? Why, why does this show up and run your life? You know, when people are looking at these beliefs and they say, well, what are the ones that are deeply ingrained? I'm like, what the, what the hell does that mean? Well, it means, well, you could see that it actually, it, it plays such a role in your life that you relate to it as if like, yeah, this is who I am. Like nobody, you know, I, I'm always right.

You know, or I'm stupid or, you know, others are more important than me. Like whatever it is for someone, they'll see it constantly in their life all the time. And, um, so they're like, okay, so here's one. But I don't remember anything or not before I was 10. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, that's fine. Come on up here. And then Mike and I facilitate really getting them to the root of it.

And usually there's some emotional release. Once you uncover this atomic bomb or mothership whatever you want to call it how long from that event happening does the integration take for it all like to finally solidify and have this new yeah belief idea great great question first of all after the five six days together what's also included in working with me is three months of integration. I am huge on integration because you can have great ahas and all that and release, you know, beliefs and have an emotional release. But really what you're doing is you're pulling out weeds, you know, you're getting to the root and you're pulling the whole thing out. And then we're planting new seeds at the retreat, right?

New, new beliefs that you actually do want. But if you just plant seeds and you don't go back to that garden, the weeds are coming back. Right. And so it's important to water those seeds. And what waters the seeds is taking action in alignment with the new belief. And so in the three months of integration with me, like that's my focus and intention with you is like having you really take action in alignment,

specifically with new beliefs. And of course, new things are going to show up, but you now have an awareness of it. So you get to keep unpacking it uh i would say um that people like it depends on what it is but it could be anywhere from you know by the next week the next day to three months to like 18 months of really tending to that garden you think about a garden and i actually had a client that has a garden and she's like she's like your analogy she's like this is so exactly how it is with a physical garden I've never gardened before you do have to tend to it every day and some things do take a year or so to plant such deep roots that you're good you don't have to worry about you know it dying on you as long as you just keep watering it and again the water is acting in alignment with that so nice yeah right on so it just depends i love that okay yeah so anyway um we spent two and a half days on mom we go into uh then two days on dad. It speeds up.

It definitely does. There's less resistance. Of course, once we're done with mom, you're really at a place where what you're also getting here is, yes, we're clearing out beliefs and behaviors, but you're also getting the new learning. And the new learning is a learning that you would have always wanted from mom and dad. Meaning if you had the perfect parents, the perfect mom and dad, the best learning, this is how they would show up. And guess what? We're adults now. Mom and dad's job is done. Yeah.

You are now responsible for parenting you. No one's going to tend to that garden bite but you. So you're also walking away with the skills to mother and father yourself, which prepares you also to be better parents for sure. And so you're getting the learning to know how to tend to yourself. So I could talk to someone, and I had a call with a woman earlier this week, and she told me what she's challenged with in her life, and I could see what's missing. Is it mother learning or father learning? Okay.

You know, oh, here's the gap. She doesn't know how to mother herself. She's not mothering herself. And she's busy mothering everything else, everyone else. Yeah. Right? And so it fills that gap as well. So when we complete mother learning, what, uh, in those two and a half days, uh, everyone that's there has this commitment to themselves. Like they just had a child

and they are that child's mom. Like there, there's this ownership of it. And so when you have that connection now, uh, to show up for yourself, you are more prepared to show up for and deal with the world. So if we started with father first and father represents the heart. So a lot of times it's more heartbreaking, emotional for people. Yeah. People wouldn't, they wouldn't be ready to make that commitment. They have to start with the self before they can really take on, uh, the, the world. I love that. So, and I love even more the fact that you acknowledge the integration process and how it's, you know, people get like that seminar high. It's like motivation.

And then they leave that collective energy and they go right back to where they were at. Because you're going back to habitual life. Most of us have a habitual life. We have our routines. What you don't realize is some of these routines came from limiting beliefs. Right.

And you just cleared out those limiting beliefs. So if you go back and operate the same way, doing everything the same, same job, same everything, you're just going to reinforce the old. So Michael, for example, day three of his was like, oh shoot, I got to have a talk with my business partner. I got to step down from my role at Barbell Shrug.

He just saw that him continuing to be in that role came from XYZ, limiting beliefs. And so he was really aware of that. And he's like, here's an action I need to take. And because he took that action quickly, he was able to start to really transform his garden. And you look at what he's up to now, it's all because he took that massive action. So here's a question for you. Why are people reluctant? Are we good on time? Yeah. Okay for you. Why are people reluctant? Are we good on time? Yeah. Okay. Um, why are people reluctant to do this kind of work? I'm, I would, I would consider myself a seeker. I would consider Jeff a seeker. That's why I kind of why feed me, feel me exists is seeking this conversation and creating exposure for it. But why are people so

reluctant to do that deep work and ask themselves those questions people are afraid of the unknown mm-hmm you know we were creatures of comfort and people have found comfort in the in in the survival that they've created for themselves and most people are not operating in creating their life they're operating in survival and they've created ways to survive the things that they don't like and create and and and create this illusion of comfort as much as possible. And so part of it is that fear of, well, if I'm not this, then who am I? And the part of them that's scared is their subconscious,

is their ego that has created this construct of how to like survive in life. Right. I'm surviving. Most people are busy surviving. They're not thriving and they're definitely not in creation. And so there's the fear of what am I going to uncover? And cause I've spent all these years creating this safety for myself, but it's an illusion. You don't actually feel safe. You are in fight or flight constantly. Right.

So that's part of it. And a lot of them know that they have stuff in Pandora's box. And there's a fear of opening that up, of dealing with the abuse from mom and dad or that dad left or this or that. They don't want to open and feel that because they don't know if they could handle that feeling. And no, you probably can't handle it on your own. You're right. the groups that hence the group hence a really like small intimate safe Container as I call it where I'm going to guide you you're not here to do it alone This isn't going, you know, you're not gonna work for this alone, but I'm not gonna do all the work either

This is together. We're gonna do this if I could offer this in work for this alone, but I'm not going to do all the work either. This is together. We're going to do this. If I could offer this in another way, I would. But right now, like in order to go that deep, people need to know that they're, you know, you're safe. I'm here. I'm holding you. And what I love about facilitating this with Mike now, because I did this, I think I led like 14 retreats without him, is to have the balance of the feminine and the masculine. There's times when it's my energy

and love and support that people need. And it's times when it's his. And to have both our ability together to facilitate and take people to really face their, you know, the things, the feelings, the fears, the doubts, whatever it is that they haven't wanted to feel. Yeah. Has been exponential. Yeah. Awesome. I'm stuck with him. Gladly. the table you know that that thing that is your of your creation you know to bring in another energy is can oftentimes be seen as an immediate conflict or a compromise you're not willing to make

for whatever unknown reason yeah so the fact that know, you recognize that Mike is a solid addition to the deal, um, and how much more powerful and efficacious it has become is speaks high, so highly of you. Thank you. So that's awesome. Yeah. And I, and I didn't know that again, I didn't, none of this was my plan. I was just here to serve. And then suddenly I'm, you know, it just keeps unfolding. And the first time, like, it was just like, well, let's, let's try this out. And we did, we facilitated one in March together. And he was still more in the role of, of apprenticing and learning as much as me feeling a 50-50 in it. But it felt great to have him there and then i did one in may they were traveling so i did one without him so i got to have that experience again of not having uh

his even his energy because it's not like he was facilitating that much yeah uh supporting it and i'm like okay i felt the difference and then then in August when we facilitated together and, you know, he was like miles ahead of where he was in March. And it felt so even and such a synergy. It was just like we looked at each other at the end and we're like, we're in this together. Like doing this apart is just not as powerful as doing this together. So I feel very blessed. How often are you guys conducting the training camp for the soul? About every two to three months.

So our next one's in November. That one's sold out. And then we still have spots in January. And then we might be doing February or we may postpone February to March. So, yeah, about every two to three months depending on the schedule. Okay, cool. How would you define your personal vision and your business vision, or are they the same for you?

Personal vision, like for my life? For your life. Same or different. I'd say, well, my vision personally is to serve others and at the same time to stay balanced in my life. I want to have a family and be a mother and I'm big on work-life balance. I'm not looking to build a multi-million dollar business or something that takes over me and I'm traveling all the time. And I really want to experience my own fun and play in my life life and i love what i do i have fun in it but uh i'm my vision is always to to keep balance to serve others and at the same time to have fun and enjoy life so and my uh my boyfriend's perfect for me in that sense because he's not in this industry so

when he and i are together we get to completely unplug and i just get to play. Um, so, and you know, in, in my, my vision for this is really to serve as many people as possible and to bring people to a place of knowing themselves as powerful creators, really getting that you're the writer, director, producer, and actor of the movie called your life. And you're also also the editor and so take a hold of that script be willing to look at it be willing to feel whatever is there and rewrite it and step into creation and keep creating and what you create this year may be different than what you want to create next year but you hold you hold that power to create and more specifically to co-create there's a part of surrender in it

too and know that like um you know you're being you're being guided here as well um so i'm i'm still in the exploration of that vision for my my uh my business my service um and and it's more of, um, a constant question of how can I serve more? You know, when, if our retreats are limited to six people, it sucks and it's what it needs to be right now. Right. And so I'm like in the exploration of, well, will I go into training others how to do this? Maybe. of well will I go into training others how to do this maybe right now I launched a beta program an eight-week program I'm taking six people I like the number six taking six people currently

through that where it's doesn't replace training camp for the soul but it I'm testing out and i'm only into week three right now giving people what i feel i can that is not too much for them to do on their own where they're scared to face it yeah but and can this create enough of a shift for people to step into creation and to be free from stuff. And it's virtual. It's, it's a course with a weekly group call. Um, it's a beta test. You know, I, I'm, I've never felt, Mike is actually the one that told me or not, you have a course in you, you need to put something else out. And, uh, I've never felt such excitement and clarity around it and such fun in creating it. And so it's flowing in a way that has me feel like, yes, yes, this is going to be good. And I'm not attached to that.

I'm really open to like, this is a beta test. And you're not just going to put something out to put something out and say, oh, I'm helping more people. No, if people, if I can't create enough of a shift with them, well, I'll probably try another, you know, it's a beta test. So we'll be like, okay, what needs to be tweaked and all that. But my hope and intention is that it does. And so those that, A, can't take off six days and be in a retreat or can't afford it because it's, it's not, it's not, uh, it's not cheap. Um, and it's worth the investment, um, that I can have something that could serve more people, uh, virtually that. So, yeah.

I just want to, I want as many people as possible to have access to this. Yeah. So whatever way that's supposed to come through. Cool. It's coming.

Yeah, thank you. So before we let you get out of here today, I want to talk about more, more about your personal practice on a daily basis. And I'm going to ask you two questions in succession

and answer them in any which way that that it comes to you the first of which what do you do each and every day to feed yourself and create that that clarity to streamline your process and the the second of which is what do you do each and every day to fuel yourself and create that sustainable momentum over the long term? Feed myself. I'm always learning, always reading books, watching, listening to podcasts, listening to books. My car is, you know, music does not get played unless I have other friends in the car. So always learning, always being a student myself is what I used to

feed myself. Fuel. Every day it's about really checking in with am I in homeostasis? If you're in fight or flight you cannot create like think about it if you're being chased you know chased by a tiger you're not thinking about um what do i want to write today or you're just like go and so many people don't realize that their nervous system, that they are in fear, in fight, is to go in internal, go into those emotions,

feel whatever is there, do the breath work, bring myself back to a place where I feel I'm safe, safe within my body, safe within my system, because then I have access to creating. Right. because then I have access to creating. Right. And so if someone's trying to create something and they're wondering why they're blocked, it's most likely you're not in homeostasis. Right. And so to me, you know, a lot of times what that looks like is breath work,

is my form of meditation, which is really feeling through the sensations in my body. Sure. Yeah. Being in nature, beach walks, turning to my journal. Yeah. Moving my body. So spending the morning hours with me.

And if it takes me 10 minutes, great. And if it takes me three hours, great. That's what's needed. Like the most important thing, what is there to do? You know, so many times people are like, I need to do this and I should do this and I should do that. And just in, in that even energy, you could tell that they're in fight or flight. They feel that they need to. And instead of, uh, and, and then you end up, you're not really creating what you want. You're just, you're still surviving. Right. So to me, it's like the only thing to do is you is, is, is getting yourself back to homeostasis. Yeah. And if it takes the whole day well then that's the most important thing because everything that you're going to try and create if you're not in homeostasis

is just is is just you surviving something yeah and so i i put myself first okay i love that and where can everybody in this community go connect with you and support you with everything you have going i've been working on getting better actually putting stuff out on social media and so i would say following me on instagram or facebook i occasionally do some facebook lives and uh if they're interested in my work they can go to uh training camp for the soul.com I do have a little free PDF on there of uncovering some limiting beliefs. And if people want more, they can always private message me and set up a call. Yeah, I'm always willing to have a call and get to know someone and guide them to whether it's really a fit.

My work is not something I sell people on. Cause again, if you're not ready, you're not going to do your part and this isn't going to work for you. Right. And, um, so,

but I'm always willing to give people a little guidance to whatever it is. So if, you know, they have to show that they're committed. So feel free to reach out, feel free to message me. There it is. if you know they have to show that they're committed so feel free to reach out feel free to message me there it is yeah cool well for everybody out there in feed me fuel me land uh make sure you check out everything that anat has going on if you're interested in that deep work uh i know i'm gonna attend the training camp for the soul awesome love to have you and um you know be sure to check that out see what she has to offer and uh if you're willing to do the work she's here to reciprocate

and uh really appreciate you being here yeah thanks for taking the time guys and sharing sharing your story sharing your journey um and until next time guys feed me feel me and that'll do it for this episode with our special guest, Anat Perry. If you want to check out everything that Anat has going, please go to the full show notes on shrugcollective.com. Also, be sure to connect with us on social media, including Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at Feed Me, Feel Me. We would love to hear from you. If you found this episode inspiring in any way, please leave a rating and a comment in iTunes so we can continue on this journey together.

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