Barbell Shrugged - Wade Lightheart and Matt Gallant: More Protein, More Digestion, More Amino Acids, and More Muscle — Barbell Shrugged #368

Episode Date: January 5, 2019

Matt Gallant is the CEO of BiOptimzers and has a bachelor’s degree in Kinesiology. He’s been a strength and conditioning coach for multiple pro-athletes, a self-defense instructor, and has over 10 years experience formulating supplements. Fun fact: Matt’s been playing guitar and keyboards for over 19 years… and recorded a hard rock CD when he was young and angry.   Wade Lightheart is the president of BiOptimzers, a 3-Time Canadian Natural Bodybuilding Champion, and one of the world’s premier authorities on Natural Nutrition and Training Methods. Having majored in Sports Science at the University of New Brunswick, he has authored numerous books on health, nutrition and exercise which have sold in over 80 countries. Wade is sought out by athletes and high-performance oriented individuals worldwide for his advice on how to optimize their health and fitness levels.   In this episode, we talk about why our culture struggles with digestion, understanding protease and how it helps digestion, what are digestive enzymes, why you do not need more meat to get more protein, and much more.   Enjoy! - Anders and Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Show notes at: http://www.shruggedcollective.com/bbs-bioptimzers ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Please support our partners! @drivennutrition: https://drivennutrition.net/shrugged/ to save 20% @bioptimizers: www.BiOptimizers.com/shrugged  “shrugged” to save 37%   ► Subscribe to Barbell Shrugged's Channel Here ► Subscribe to Shrugged Collective's Channel Here http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedSubscribe 📲 🎧 Listen to the audio version on the Apple Podcast App or Stitcher for Android Here- http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedApple http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedStitcher Shrugged Collective is a network of fitness, health and performance shows that help people achieve their physical and mental health goals.  Usually in the gym, but outside as well. In 2012 they posted their first Barbell Shrugged podcast and have been putting out weekly free videos and podcasts ever since. Along the way we've created successful online coaching programs including The Shrugged Strength Challenge, The Muscle Gain Challenge, FLIGHT, Barbell Shredded, and Barbell Bikini. We're also dedicated to helping affiliate gym owners grow their businesses and better serve their members by providing owners tools and resources like the Barbell Business Podcast. Find Shrugged Collective and their flagship show Barbell Shrugged here: SUBSCRIBE ON ITUNES ► http://bit.ly/ShruggedCollectiveiTunes WEBSITE ► https://www.ShruggedCollective.com INSTAGRAM ► https://instagram.com/shruggedcollective FACEBOOK ► https://facebook.com/barbellshruggedpodcast TWITTER ► http://twitter.com/barbellshrugged

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with you guys all day we'll all leave the sunburns yeah it's the best part of the day so we came in from vancouver no you're here now wade you're here yeah from vancouver and you flew in from panama correct yeah we got a lot to talk about if you came all the way from panama to hang out with us here today we're talking digestion yes. Yes, sir. How people can get stronger. What's a little bit of your background though and how'd we, how'd you get into just the supplement game? What's your background in health, fitness, wellness, all those pieces? Yeah, well, I was a kid growing up in Canada. This is Wade, by the way. Yeah, hi. Get used to that voice. Yeah, I grew up in Canada, you know, in a very, very rural place.

Played ice hockey, all that stuff. I was a really small guy. Started weight training in my barn. Yeah. Three things happened to me when I was 15 years old. One, my parents moved to a very rural area. Two, my sister was diagnosed with cancer, and I watched her go through the medical model for four years before she died. So that was very impactful.

And she handed me a bodybuilding magazine at the same time, right? With 15 and had a picture of Troy Zuclato and two pretty girls on the cover. And, uh, he had just won Mr. California. And I saw these muscles and going out of my mind with testosterone,

looking at myself like, geez, I obviously I'm not going to get girls like that and have muscles. So Joe Weider influenced me. Yeah. And,. And there was no gym around. So I literally, I had a barn and it was kind of like Rocky. It was five miles to my nearest neighbor. And I started putting saw horses and I put pulley bars and I started lifting weights. And that later, you know, my hockey career ended when I went to university and I got into exercise physiology started working out training and been into competitions and over the course of 16 20 years I guess it was ended up

going to the Mr. Universe contest and after the Mr. Universe I had this massive crash so I had the best coach in the world I had great training you know Spartan focus I was dieting forever and after I always say i went from mr universe to mr marshmallow i gained 42 pounds of fat and water after the mr universe contest yeah and i was like how is this possible you know i'm i'm big i'm strong i've got all these things i'm doing everything right what happened and i met a doctor and he said to me you know wade he said you've learned to build the body from the outside in. You haven't learned to build the body from the inside out. And I was under the impression that if I put something in my body, it went to my muscles, it was fuel, it was whatever.

And then I didn't realize that there was a whole inner world in the mechanics of how food gets converted into energy units, into structure, into building blocks. And I had compromised it by just following the crowd. And so that turned out to be a blessing. And then later Matt and I partnered up and we started educating people about contests and bodybuilding and training. And then we got into a whole lot of weird stuff. But ultimately we realized that the number one thing that people were missing in their equation was digestion. And we focused on that. A lot of people say it's not what you eat, it's what you absorb.

You guys subscribe to that? Yeah. I say it's not. Yeah. That meme is what you are, what you eat. But I say it's what you absorb, digest, and utilize. And also, there's another piece to that, which is what you eliminate is very important. Because if you're not eliminating stuff, you're feeding some bad guys.

And you can walk into any bodybuilding gym or any training gym or fitness gym. You go into the change room, man, you know that something's dying. Yeah. Get me out of here. That's a clue. That's a clue. So if you're listening and you have that going on in your life, you need to listen deeper because we can help reveal

what could be setting you up for a failure like I had. That's actually like the sign when you show up to a fitness competition or expo and you walk in and you're like, no one here is healthy. This is the grossest place ever right now. Were you on stage as well? Was this part of your journey? It was close. So I started working out when I was 12.

My dad bought me a weight set and I really got obsessed with it when I was 16. I was training twice a day and then I competed when I was 19 years old once. That was it. But Wade won that show. Now we didn't, I remember Wade when I was in the weigh-in and I looked him in the back at the massive lats and I was in the junior category and then he won the overall that night. And many years later, and again, I didn't know who Wade was. I just remembered him. We met at the gym. So I went to study kinesiology. I got a degree in science of physical activity and kinesiology. And Wade came back and was a personal trainer. We met and then I moved to Vancouver where he was and just built a great friendship. And about a year and a half later, I said, hey, let's market your knowledge

because he was a natural bodybuilding champion at the time. So we built a program called Freaky Big Naturally. And then since that time, we're not as much into bodybuilding anymore. I mean, we still kind of train like bodybuilders and crossfitters. I like functional fitness. But we've really evolved into a digestion company. So I love biohacking. I love biooptimization, which is a little different for us.

You know, to me, biohacking, real definition, is really using technology to alter the body. So that's why biooptimization is more what we're into. So tweaking things in the body you know using data blood work whatever it is to to reach those optimal states how does the journey kind of start because you talk about you're working from the outside in versus the inside out where do you start to put the pieces together of like how like what is the conversation in your head of how do i get healthier like where what's kind of the the entry level to your journey of figuring out how to do that? Well, you know, first off, I, my first introduction to that concept was with my sister's illness. And I realized, well, health isn't a

guarantee. Now I made the mistake that I think a lot of people make, and I associate it with fitness as being healthy. And, you know, we celebrate athletes. We celebrate what I call cosmetic fitness. You know, you've got a certain body fat. You've got a certain muscularity, whatever, both men and female. And it's more out there today than ever. But if you actually look at high-performance athletes,

if you look at people at that level, whether they're in magazines, whether they're in cont, whether in contests, we're at the CrossFit games or whatever, you might be really fit, but oftentimes you're compromising your health. And when you get to the highest levels, the competitive nature often kind of invites you to make decisions, which are based on the short term to get to that final peak. And that's essentially what i had done is you know inadvertently i thought i was healthy because i was really fit i had low body fat percentage i had you know i had great cardio i could lift weights all day like you know i look great all that sort of stuff but you know 12 weeks later i look like a marshmallow at the time what were your biomarkers

looking like were you were you getting that stuff tested we didn't really look at biomarkers looking like? Were you getting that stuff tested? No, we didn't really look at biomarkers back then. I mean, like, I'm an old guy. I'm just shredded. Yeah, I'm just shredded. Here's my biomarkers, you know, like, check this out, right? Have you seen me on the beach lately? Yeah. I'm healthy.

Yeah. Look at this. You're right. He's got veins on his abs. What else do you need? Yeah. To be fair, you were probably still much healthier than a large percentage of the population, but you probably weren't as healthy as you could be for you.

Exactly. And, you know, I didn't know that there was this whole other world inside my digestive train. Nobody knew about enzymes. Nobody knew about probiotics. Nobody was talking about any of that stuff. It was just like, hey, man, we invented this thing called whey protein and just smash as much of it into your body as possible. Right. And you get huge easy.

I'm like, oh, okay, that sounds like. Well and you get huge easy i'm like oh okay that sounds like well you're part of the like our generation i think is like the magazine generation where we flip through the pages and then we bought the thing because it had to work i wonder what like the in like 10 years they'll be like the podcast be like well i was on instagram one day and i saw phil heath yeah and now i went and did his program you're like don't do that program don't don't eat what he's eating yeah there's a much healthier way to go about this this thing yes so that was the uh like there was there was this kind of thinking that i was healthy because of i i was using external performance markers yeah but the smashdown at after the universe i realized

there's a whole world that i just missed and And I think if you look historically, if you look at high-performing athletes in almost every discipline, how they handle that crisis, because it's coming, whether it's they blew out a knee on the football field, whether it was a girl that blew out her ankles and hips, and you look at the history of those folks, almost always the ones that figure out the internal game rise to new levels of heights and kind of add to the influence to the rest of us. And so if you look at the evolution of functional fitness as a great example,

anytime that you're in just one individualized sports, you start to build, you know, biomechanical biases if you will and then that becomes a limiting factor or a damaging factor and then starting to look at the body holistically looking at diets holistically looking at the internal game blood markers hormone levels all this sort of stuff and then you can just keep you can just keep drilling down and now we're in this kind of you know golden age of technology expansion that you can you know an individual person can get a lot of great data for relatively a little cost yeah and you can get great um you know professionals to help guide your your tracking and your understanding and

comprehension you can listen to podcasts like this and wherever you are in the world this wasn't possible when i was a kid i was a kid reading a magazine. We had to wait three months to find out who won the Mr. Olympia. Yeah. You don't find out instantly. You're not watching on Facebook live. Yeah. So the big turning point for both Wade and I was meeting a man named Dr. Michael O'Brien and we spent some time with, and he really taught us about, you know, enzymes and probiotics. So what we did, we did his 90-day protocol, which was taking a massive amount of enzymes, massive amount of probiotics.

And both of our bodies changed, first of all, body fat, muscle building. But that wasn't really the key thing. What really changed was how we felt. You know, we went from feeling, you know, worn down. I mean, I think when you train hard, when you do CrossFits, you just get used to being sore and worn down to feeling awesome, not just physically, but even our brains. I still remember that feeling.

So that really was the first clue that completely changed our direction. We're like, hey, man, feeling good is a good thing. So let's do more of this. Let's keep going down this path. And that was about, you know, 15, 16 years ago. So we've just been going deeper into really optimizing physiology from the inside out. How would a person know if their digestion is less than optimal? A few great clues. First of all, if you feel bloated after a meal, you're not eating the right stuff or you're lacking hydrochloric acid or lacking enzymes.

Two, gas. We talked a little bit about gas earlier. I mean, if you're passing gas after a meal, again, you're either not eating the right thing or you're not breaking it down. Obviously, when you're going on the, in doing number two, if you're struggling there as well. So those are the big clues as far as you're not breaking the food down. So if you don't have perfect poops, that's a pretty big sign. Perfect poops, gas, bloating, and then even recovery.

I think again, when you've got enough amino acids in your bloodstream, and that's really the key, right? So people talk about protein. It's not about protein.'ve got enough amino acids in your bloodstream, and that's really the key, right? So people talk about protein. It's not about protein. It's about amino acids that your body can utilize. And that's why the proteolytic enzymes are so important because that's what breaks down the protein to aminos. And Wade and I have completely different diets. Wade's a 17-year vegetarian. I've been doing keto for about 25 years, like hardcore for the last four.

You guys just like butt heads all the time. We've had some good discussions around that. But what works for both of us is, again, using really good probiotics, using proteolytic enzymes because, you know, plants are not that easy to break down, right? And Wade doesn't need that much protein. He needs maybe 85, 100 grams a day. I don't eat that much protein either. You know, I'm 215, 220. I eat about maybe 100 grams a day.

And so it's really about, you know, you can almost like multiply one gram of protein into three or four as far as the aminos when you're using proteolytic enzymes, which helps you with recovery quite a bit. So someone that has less than optimal digestion, they don't have the appropriate amount of enzymes themselves or supplementing with enzymes, you're getting twice as much from the same amount of protein. Like if someone's eating 200 grams, but they're only digesting half of it versus you, who

you're digesting the majority of it. Correct. I hesitate to say 100%, but a much much higher percentage then you're getting the same as that other person but you're eating radically less yeah two three four x yeah i mean i eat i've got one big day of calories but the rest of the day is i eat you know 1500 1800 calories a day one pound of meat usually yeah what is the a little bit of the research process that goes into creating these enzymes that we know help digest, help digestion, help break down foods into usable amino acids? When we started, when we did the Michael O'Brien protocol,

we did his enzymes, which were good, right? But then we said what we really need is more proteolytic enzymes, which proteolytic means protein digesting enzymes. So we started just cramming a variety of different proteases that work at different pH levels. Because your pH from your stomach down to excretion changes quite a bit from there to your small intestine to your large intestine to out. So you need enzymes that work at different pH levels. We've also evolved it quite a bit. We've added something called astrazine which is

an astrologist based ingredient that actually helps transport up to 66 percent more aminos through the intestinal tract because again it's about getting it into your bloodstream so you can break it down but if it's not passing through you're not going to get the benefits so anything you want edward i think i think you pretty much covered it without going too deep into detail but one of the things i guess we would say is during that journey i think we coached over 15 000 people worldwide virtually every age every walk of life and we started to get a lot of what i would say clinical based data yeah and that's why people are oftentimes shocked that we have such different diet choices and i do believe that there may be genetic you know you might be genetic genetically

inclined for one diet or you might have compromised a particularly enzymatic pathway due to you know drug abuse in the past maybe high amounts of sugar in your life maybe you know there's a variety of different things that could come up and would you would gravitate towards a different diet i think i could probably do any diet now yeah i think i'm actually gonna say what so if they're if you're on one end on the keto side and you're doing the vegetarian side you're all at 100 ish grams of protein a day or you're both at 100 ish grams of protein a day or you're both at 100 grams of protein a day i'm probably like double that i don't look yoked like you like how do you guide people on the nutrition path to is it just the enzymes and our ability to process this stuff well i'd say it's the whole unit i mean if we go back

in time what we looked at is we we said look um the guy that we worked with dr o'brien he was taking people who were like dying a variety of conditions and he was using what i would call therapeutic dosages like massive high dosages about it was at the time i think it was costing about 1500 bucks a month and enzymes and probiotics right and so we went through that process and what we were able to do is we were radically able to alter our digestive terrain we didn't even know what the microbiome was in those days. That wasn't part of the lexicon. And we experienced in that. So that 90 day period was so strong and so powerful for us and so transforming us both, not just externally, but how we felt, how we functioned, our awareness level we're like man

we got to go down this route and then from that we started extrapolating so i think you can do it over a slow period of time but i think the three things that if people are really serious especially as you get older if you're 40 if you get to 40 your digestion is probably shot yo it's it's probably screwed and uh you're looking at Yo, it's probably screwed. And you're looking at, I think it's like the fifth leading cause of death now, digestive or gastrointestinal diseases. And people go, is that possible? Well, you think of heart disease, you think of diabetes, you think of cancer.

Well, all of those start in the gut. That's what Hippocrates said, you know. You know, all disease starts in the gut. You know, the father of medicine. And we kind of, it sounds. No one wants to hear that. We can't see it. There's no abs in your gut. Right.

But here's the hard part. No one can see it. But here's what the thing that people aren't able to recognize. We are living in a world that is radically altered from our ancestors. Our ancestors ate their food fresh or they didn't eat. So intermittent fasting, that was just the way of life because there was no food. So we are now suffering the diseases of civilization. That's what it was called 100 years ago.

The excess of food, the excess of processing. And there's advantages to it. Cooking food, all these sort of things that we do that no other species on the planet does. And there's benefits to that, but there's also consequences. Genetic modification. If you look at herb that, but there's also consequences. Genetic modification. If you look at herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides, well, how do they kill bugs? They interrupt the enzymatic processes in it. Antibiotics, what do they do? They kill bacteria. They don't distinguish between good or bad. They kill all of them. So now we're suffering from the

benefits that we've created from society. And I'm not here to poo-poo medicine or get down on antibiotics. That's a useless discussion because a lot of us are here because of those things. It's about looking at reality as it is today and how do I optimize my system for the environment that I'm living today. And then how do I get the most out of that as an athlete, as a business person, as a family person, all of those areas. Because this temple, it's cool to get a trophy. It's cool to get the shout outs on whatever. But at the end of the day, I've got to cart this carcass around.

And I'd like it if it runs relatively smoothly. And absorbing my food and utilizing my food and getting rid of the waste is a critical component to that. Yeah, gut health has really taken kind of the the main stage in the conversation i think too like it like everybody maybe we're just at that stage in our training or in our life and in our path to this longevity living to 120 years old whatever we all plan on doing um but it really feels like if we can just get the gut figured out but is there what are some like the the more natural ways and then clearly supplementing with enzymes and using these products? But what should the diet look like? You're on keto, so there's very few starchy vegetables going on with you.

You're only eating vegetables and beans. And I don't really know what goes on in the vegetarian, to be honest with you. Yeah, most people don't either. Look at me. I'm the weird guy at every dinner. I can't believe I'm actually talking to you. i'm the weird guy but like yeah so how how do you actually have a healthy gut in order like if you're both on such opposite ends of the spectrum and where like how do we have the nutrition conversation and then pairing it with enzymes

so that it works there's a few things about gut health. First of all, there's bad guys that you want to eliminate. You're just eliminating bad bacteria will completely change your terrain, right? So there's the bad guys and the good guys. We can talk about the good guys in a minute. But our probiotic, P3OM, is designed to eliminate the bad guys. I've had food poisoning on the road. we've had countless stories of having food poisoning the montezuma's revenge in mexico i know about that one yeah the bali bellies you take 10 capsules of the p3om within 15 minutes

it's done i actually 100 second what you just said and that was when i started going on my deep dive about gut health because went to mexico iced coffee from starbucks thought i was cool got back it literally took me four days and then i was just as deep as possible into like what is gut health why do i have this thing and why can't I heal it on my own? Like usually being health and wellness people, we think we can heal all this stuff. And then I was like, I need all the good probiotics. And that is kind of like how my journey even started talking about gut health. Well, this is really the Navy Seals of probiotics. It is going into this clean house out of your body in about three days.

But as far as good guys, I think, first of all, your gut is always going to adapt to the food you eat. So Wade and I have very different biomes, right? I've done the biome test, which tests your gut. And, you know, if Wade does a biome test, it's completely different. We did that, didn't we? Is that the one we did? For which one?

The gut health biome test. We did biome. Yeah. So what happens is, you know, basically based on the food you eat, the certain bacteria are going to thrive and others are going to die. They're finding in research, even within 24 hours of not eating certain foods that the bacteria needs, they're going to start dying off. So it's a very individual thing.

And, you know, your gut biome adapts to being keto. And, you know, if you've been at keto long enough, like within around the nine-month mark,, 12 month mark, people start craving meat. It's very, you know, like people start in the beginning, they're craving carbs, but as those carb loving bacteria start dying off, the meat loving ones start getting stronger and they're always sending signals to your brain, right? We're calling the gut, the second brain or third brain so that's a big thing and of course wade he's probably craving veggies most of the day yeah you know if i go a day without a salad you know i'm like you know it's a big salad oh dude i monster yeah monster salad just a big old

bowl of veggies i could tell we'll probably jump over to Whole Foods after, and you'll see. I'm going to make this what I call a rainbow salad. And what's really fascinating to me, I do this all over the world, everywhere I go, and I'm in this giant bowl of all those colorful things, and I walk up and someone always goes, that's an amazing-looking salad. Or like, I can't believe you're going to eat that. Yeah. But there's always a commentary, one in a line, from the checkout, from the cash, about that whole thing.

And it's fascinating. But, yeah, I crave that just as much as he craves bacon and steak. So the body is just endlessly adaptable, though, maybe. And it doesn't matter which one you choose as long as you're consistent and you're feeding the gut healthy quality products and then pairing it with some sort of enzyme that's helping you digest this stuff. And I want to clarify one thing too i think um if you look historically and i if you look at cultures in asia they've they've developed various fermented foods for what creates colonizing strains so i don't think that a you know a caucasian european descent person who might have

their families grown up on sauerkraut and sausages are going to do well on kimchi and rice yeah okay so but what we can take from that is that they figured out what fermented foods and bacteria will work with that particular diet and that particular genetical evolution and environmental conditions and it all kind of works together today though we have um just such a multi-varate diet. I mean, if you look at your breakfast in the morning, it probably came from two or three continents. We have everything from all the world. So we're subjecting our system to a whole different array of tastes and choices and opportunities. And I know a lot of people talk about the 100-mile diet. And that all sounds cool. But hey, maybe I want orange juice from wherever and coffee from Costa Rica. And that all sounds cool, but hey, maybe I want orange juice from, you know, from wherever

and coffee from Costa Rica, and I'm going to have rice from, you know, wherever. And, you know, I think that's an awesome thing. And so I look at, I don't believe that you can limit yourself. I want to expand myself. And in order to do that, I need to have a robust microbiome that can adapt to the environment. How do you create a probiotic that only is attacking the bad ones? That's a great question. And so if I can jump in here. First off, let's just look at antibiotics. Follow me for a second.

We're all aware, one of my good friends, he's a Harvard medical surgeon. He's involved in putting the first stent in the body. He understands surgery at a very high level in physiology. And he said, you know, wait, today surgery has become so advanced that your biggest risk in a surgery is not dying from the surgery. It's dying from the infection from surgery with bacteria-resistant or antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria in the hospitals. And we all heard about it.

We see about it. We see these horrible things on the internet what's going on well how did that come to how did that happen how did any i think we're doing like 10 000 times the amount of antibiotic levels just to kill bacteria today than we did when it first came out and that's just only in a few generations so what happened how did that occur well bacteria it turns out in nature if you try to kill off anything in nature there's like there's a certain group of people and it's like people that are listening to this podcast yeah you want to throw that at me i'm going to compete i'm going to do better i want it hard you know there's a certain group that are just going to

evolve and survive and become better and stronger and fat like they're just going to step it up in that environment and that's like an evolutionary you got so excited there yeah i got you back on crazy guys going crazy over here talking about the gut hell i get so excited about this because it's an evolutionary aspect of life yeah so i believe that life is an independent component that it will always adapt to the conditions happening That battle's happening in there. The battle's on. You get sick, and then you learn that war is happening all day long. Exactly. You don't notice it when you're really healthy.

Exactly. Things are just working. Yeah, it's all great. There's an assumption that it's going to continue on that way. Forever. Forever. So those resistant strains of bacteria were subjected to antibiotics generation after generation, and finally they're just like, yeah, whatever, you know, throw that stuff at me. I just

eat that stuff. Yeah. And so using that same concept of physiology, we're able to take a bacteria strain, subject it to a patented environmental condition, like a CrossFit gym. We're putting it through a series of processes that turns it out into somebody that's not the average guy walking down the street it's not the average bacteria you find on a counter this is a bacteria that's gone through the buds training it's a navy seal and it's designed to go out and hunt bad guys it's designed to go out you created digested proteins high get viruses all these type of things and and was proven in a scientific patented experiment to make those yeah make those abilities and so that's what makes it unique so and that's why it works in his diet and why it

works in my diet because he requires a certain microbiome that will digest his diet matt and for me i just need a completely different, but we both need to eliminate the bad guys because we're constantly getting bombarded by that. We're getting at everything. So we looked at it from that standpoint as, yeah, we want a strong military force in our group to wipe out the bad guys and then whatever diet we want to do.

You created the most yoked bacteria that exists. That's awesome. Everyone's always talking about probiotics. It's a big conversation these days. You are keto, and so you're not eating a lot of fruits and vegetables, of course. As far as prebiotic fiber, how does that play into this whole scenario in your mind? As Wade alluded to earlier, I do eat some sauerkraut, some kimchi, but we talked about Viome a little earlier.

Wade and I talked to Naveen James, the creator, and I got my data. I've seen Ben Greenfield's data. I've seen a lot of people's data. Almost none of, almost no commercial probiotic survives and colonizes based on that test. So, you know, basically I think a lot of what survives is what you ate as a kid. I think that's a big part of the food that you can eat or not eat. For example, I mean, I live in Panama, right? And, of course, coconuts are a big part of the diet down there, you know, coconut rice and coconut water and all this stuff, coconut oil.

For me, and I think, again, it's because of the diet I had as a kid I don't break down coconut that well and you know based on my blood test I had to my triglycerides were too high when I was consuming a lot of coconuts like I just can't break it down so I think a lot of what you can or cannot eat and a lot of what is going on today started as a kid again were you eating potatoes were you eating rice like even rice I don't I don't break down rice that well. So potatoes I can eat in two pounds. When you travel, does your stomach just instantly kind of with the change from the diet

at home to this disaster we have available to us in beautiful Los Angeles? Well, I like Los Angeles. There's good food here. That is one of the perks. No, but I'll stay on track, you know, and just find a good steak or good whatever. But I am cyclical, so I do have one day a week where I eat everything. Load up?

Yeah, load up, refeed. What does that look like? That's my favorite day. Yeah, it's my favorite day too. Ice cream? You know. Black toast probably is a big problem for you. It's the A1.

Yeah. The A1 protein from the cow's milk is very problematic cow's milk is so weird these days I know it's not really milk anymore I've cleaned up my refeeds but a lot of sugar so a lot of sugar, I will eat fruit I'll make some healthy desserts but ice cream

the inflammation is too much I'm getting there I don't want to get there healthy desserts, but, you know, like ice cream, it just, the inflammation is too much. It's not really the lactose. I'm getting there. I'm like really getting there. I don't want to get there. I know. But as I get older, like you're talking about, you come up on a certain age and it's like, hmm, can't really do that one anymore. It doesn't digest. It doesn't clear out as quick as it used to. No, but we have a secret weapon. We just pound more enzymes. Well, that's actually what I was going to ask about. That's what we do. Do the enzymes and the bacteria really just help the process?

So maybe it's not sitting in your gut for three days and just free radical, sort of random crazy proteins, which anything that's just hanging out in your body and not being used and not being processed is really just setting you up for a ton of inflammation, probably some autoimmune stuff. There's some weird things that happen when you just have stuff sitting there. You're feeding the bad guys. Yeah. You're giving them food.

And it's rotting. It's gross. Well, what is rotting? The bacteria are feeding on all that undigested food, and they're producing waste products. They're crapping in your blood. They're crapping in your brain. So you wake up and you feel tired. You got brain fog in the morning.

You go, why do I have brain fog? Well, because last night you just fed a party of bad guys who are sending all these neurotoxins in your brain. So what do you do? You get up. Oh, geez, man, I got to go have another coffee. You slam another coffee with some A11 creams yeah you know load it up in it a whole bunch of preservatives right some chemical agents a little bit of mold inside the

coffee slam that back and you're on to the day right now those guys are like oh we got a war going on i need more sugar yeah you know because they love that they're winning you start you start a trend and you think why can't i stay on my diet why can't't I do, you know, it's so easier. How come I just have one bad day? I'm like bloated for a week. Well, it's because you, somebody else is running your insides. Yeah. And when, when we're lucky because we've gone through that process and we know the difference in what it feels like. And so it's easy for once you've gone through the, through that process, it's like, okay, I get it until you've done that, it's very, very difficult to understand that how much you can control if you get that under control. Go ahead.

The other thing, too, is undigested proteins, which is different than what we were talking about. It's extremely toxic to the body. All allergies is because the person can't break that down. I was even going to go one step further. Have you guys looked into any, like, maybe cancer or anything like that, which is kind of further down the road and exponential allergy thing? Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. I just wanted to add to what you were saying. Hoping to add to what you were saying.

You know, and first I want to be clear, I'm not a medical doctor. I'm not here to treat or diagnose or all that stuff. But I have had the good fortune of serving for the American Anti-Cancer Institute as an advisor to them because what would happen is I used to run a clinic in Vancouver, a holistic health clinic, and it was more, I designed it for helping people get fit and performance, and I was having great results and turning people around, and then sick people, people with cancer, people with all this sort of stuff, and we started cleaning up their diets and started doing things.

And all of a sudden they started feeling better or they were able to process chemotherapy treatments and a variety of things. And so I started to see the connection between how oftentimes I think a lot of major diseases, you know, I can't name all that or not i want to make this a like a medical show but i can say that i really do believe that things like heart disease really things like cancer um things like diabetes are right are controlled by that so for example um we'd put people on a on the program and who are suffering from cancer and all of a sudden the chemotherapy cleared much

they didn't have the side effects the same thing that they were having we put people that had um you know cholesterol issues and things like that they get on you know good enzymes and good probiotics all of a sudden their cholesterol level changes you look at people who are taking diabetics i put those people on it and all of a sudden they needed less insulin all because of various i believe that enzymatic pathways in the body there's about 25 000 they know of enzymatic function so enzymes just to understand so people want to know what that is is these are like catalysts that speed up chemical reactions in the body and one of the things that we started to notice with the thousands of people we worked with is people

that have skin conditions would often have a lipase deficiency because, you know, your skin is your largest organ and the toxins would come out. And guess what? If they didn't metabolize fats well, which is done by lipase, that wouldn't work out. People that suffered from depression oftentimes couldn't absorb and utilize the protein converted into amino acids to make the polypeptide chains to make them happy. People that had diabetes, okay, they couldn't metabolize sugar very well. So they had to pump all this insulin in. And so I started to see these pathways.

And then I had people that were like, you know, I remember one girl, she had a massive necrosis scar from a spider bite. So that's a protein coating that's been built up. It was about a half inch thick. It was really pronounced and about three inches long. And I would give her mass signs as an experiment because we knew each other really well. And I said, okay, let's do an experiment here. I want to track this over time. And I would give her, you know, five, sometimes 10 mass lines on an empty stomach. And within a few minutes, the scar would get red and start to itch. Well, over the course of nine months, she reduced the scar to what was completely flush. The skin coloring changed almost

imperceptible to a point that her three-year-old was feeling her shoulder one day. He says, mommy, what happened to your scar? It's all gone. and so i was able to see that if you don't use that enzyme even in digestion that can be converted to fill up your enzymatic pool for other processes so over time and then if you go into some of the you know if you dive into some of the cancer research and stuff like that where people were using massive amounts of enzymes and specific probiotics in order to recover from various conditions. And it's pretty fascinating stuff. Again, we're not here to treat or cure any condition, but it's great research.

Well, our mentor, Michael O'Brien, that's what he was doing. This is the doctor you guys mentioned earlier. Yeah, correct. And the working theory is that proteolytic enzymes can break down the wall of the cancer cell, and then the body can identify it and eliminate it. Again, let's just call it a working theory. But that's the working theory as far as proteolytic enzymes in cancer. Because when you take enzymes on an empty stomach, they'll go into your system and, again,

eliminate undigested proteins in your blood, undigested protein in your gut. So they clean house. And we recommend, again, for the first 90 days, taking enzymes and the P3OM on an empty stomach in the morning and before bed. And people also, even before bed, it seems to help sleep. People usually wake up with better sleep. And I'm a sleep princess. Yeah, we talk a lot about the kind of the proteins and processing those but are there specific enzymes that we need to be worried about for fats

carbohydrates things along that the other uh macros yeah i mean we've got like 15 enzymes in our in our flagship product um because you know how you have enzymes that'll break down fiber in the body like hemicellulase you have like things like lactase, or if you get into the inflammatory programs, like with our, our gluten enzyme that we develop for people who are, cause gluten insensitivity is so radical. It's not a carbohydrate, it's a protein. Yeah. And you can't digest this outer coating.

So, um, we developed an enzyme that breaks that down. And so almost anything that you're not able to digest, it's because you lack the enzymatic capacity to break that down. So you might gravitate towards a certain diet. But even if you follow that diet, oftentimes there's still enzymatic pathways, if you will, because there's one thing about digestion, but there's all these other 25,000 chemical processes that are going on related to those enzymes. Well, now you have a predisposition that this protein's not unfolding or this DNA transaction doesn't happen. And if you go back in history to Dr. Edward Howell, who was kind of like the grandfather or the pioneer of enzymatic research, he took species in, you know, animal, he took cats. He took dogs. He took rabbits. He took all these different species. He fed them enzyme deficient.

He fed one group enzyme deficient diets. And that's like cooked food and processed food and things like that. He had another one that had just raw food, the raw food that was natural to that species. So a tiger would eat a zebra. If you notice, it'll eat the entrails first and then it eats the rest because it gets the enzymes and probiotics out of the entrails. I saw that on safari. Yeah. Why does it do that? For all the

stuff is. That's where all the goodness is. And it's going to break down the food that it's about to eat. They intrinsically know it. A horse will not eat grass that has any spotting of blood. It'll eat the grass that's live and fresh because that's the enzymes. Or a deer in the woods will eat a tree. They're so smart. But we've kind of altered the terrain.

Whole Foods is right there. I don't need to think about that crap. Yeah. They have everything, hot bar. Yeah. You name it, canola oil, love it. Yeah, exactly. And so what was interesting about it, and then he had another group where he added extra enzymes to. And what was interesting is the species that had an enzyme-deficient diet,

by third generation, they had weird sociological behaviors, they had a high rate of genetic diseases, and they lost the ability to procreate. Now let's look at where did the food disruption chain happen in humans significantly after World War II. After the war, there was all this nitrogen around. We said, hey, let's throw nitrogen in the ground. You can grow food faster.

But what it does is it sacrifices its protein content to convert to enzymes because it's grown on mineral deficient soil. And so now you have wheat that is 7% protein when at the turn of the century, the U.S. government knew that wheat was 90% protein. It's devolved that much. That's how people lived 300 years ago on bread, and you couldn't possibly live on bread today. So, and we look at society and birth rates. You know, the problem in all industrialized areas, all industrialized countries notice a massive drop- in birth rates and now you look at uh you know you know um reproductive clinics you know for helping people have kids and stuff like that you look at the the rise of genetic based illnesses that has happened like autism was like one in 40,000

and now it's like one in a hundred kind of thing so why is that that's not a genetic you can't make that kind of genetic jump so what it must be is the environmental conditions that are interrupting our our processes of of of genetic replication and so he was able to duplicate them in all these species and the ones that lived the longest were the ones that were fed an enzyme rich diet and the ones that had a supplemental enzyme so for me i was looking at he created what is the enzyme pool. In other words, your capacity to digest, utilize the food and absorb the food that you're eating. So I went, okay, I'm going to just buy into that program because I want to live long,

strong for a long period of time. You know, I'm almost 50. I'm getting close to 50 now. I feel great. You know, I don't have the aches and pains that normal 50 year olds have. And it's an, it's an awesome life that I encourage everybody to enjoy. Yeah. You mentioned earlier there's so many thousands of different enzymatic reactions that happen within the body. So there's many different types of enzymes. If you take a supplement and you're only taking a handful of those, does that really account for all the things that need to be handled within your body? Yeah.

So one of the working theories on enzymes. Same thing for probiotics, by the way, with bacteria. Yes. So the enzymes can convert from one enzyme to another. And one of the enzyme theories that Wade was alluding to is the enzyme bank account theory. So that we're born with a certain supply and depending what we're doing lifestyle wise, when we eat cooked food, our body has to utilize our own enzymes to break that down. And I know there was this one bodybuilder that Wade and I knew and he was dieting. So his strategy was, okay, to deal with the hunger, I'm going to eat an insane amount of low calorie vegetables. Within eight months, he couldn't break anything down. Like he completely drained his, literally his enzyme bank account.

And now he's, he has to take enzymes. But the point is that as we get older, you know, just life, we're utilizing that enzyme bank account and drawing down on it. Another thing too, another very important framework is that enzymes and probiotics are the body's workers. So let's say we want to build an awesome mansion. We got the best materials in the world, right? We're eating good food, but there's nobody there to put the house together. Nothing's going to happen. So the enzymes and the probiotics are the ones that, again, disassemble and reassemble all the materials into the amino acid chains your body needs,

or, you know, the vitamins and minerals because the probiotics break that down as well. Yeah. For example, you need enzymes to get your protein, protein to get your minerals, minerals to get your vitamin. That's the pathway. And what's interesting, we both took nutrition in university and, you know, I studied that extensively and advise sports nutrition advisor and almost all the sports books and all the nutrition books that they'll mention like in a couple of paragraphs near the first book the role of enzymes and then they just get into all the nutrients and all the other things it's like wait a minute like if i don't have a truck that's coming from the amazon warehouse to my house it doesn't matter how much stuff they got at amazon

and i would i would think of enzymes and in another level probiotics as the people that they clean the streets, they drive the trucks, they run the system. And if you've had a strike in your city of the essential workers of a city and why do governments order those people back? It's because the city shuts down if those people aren't working. Well, we have an audience that is very interested in the performance side of everything we do, specifically when it comes to supplementation digestion stuff like that like no matter how much we talk about health and longevity and living to 120 years old however long we want to live like how does it help on the performance side of things it's huge because

that's really like appear like okay i'll take this but am i gonna squat more tomorrow well let me share some data so the proteolytic enzymes are incredible to speed up recovery. In clinical research, they found, you know, for example, sprains and strains, which happen a lot with CrossFit, right? Let's be honest. It took from eight weeks of inactivity to two. They took karate athletes and, you know, the hematomas went from 16 days to six, swelling 10 to 4, restriction of movement from 13 days to 5, inflammation from 11 days to 4, unfit for training 10 days to 4. And all kinds of other research, you know, again, people would basically recover, you know, two to three times faster. Yeah. So why is that? Because, again, it reduces the inflammation and you're getting the amino acids you need to build the muscle mass or recover from the workout or get stronger.

So proteolytic enzymes are incredible to improve recovery from hard workouts, which is – Do you guys ever have like a gap in training where you're not on the enzymes or on the bacteria and then all of a sudden it's like why do i feel like crap i mean it's happened where i've run out on a long extensive trip or whatever it is yeah and uh i'd say within like three four days i'm like okay i i really miss it you know start feeling it and the funny part is i work on uh i deal a lot with our customers and customer service i answer all the obtuse questions that we get on every single week and we have our customer. Will I become immortal? Yeah. Yeah. And what's interesting is we recently, this is conversation is really expanding a lot. And there's a lot of, we've experienced tremendous growth in the company because of the results we're producing and the popularity of things. We had a, we it was about i think almost two weeks where we ran out of product because we were selling so much and

it wasn't you know we were just growing so quickly and the amount of people who were calling us emailing us on the thing and going i'm running out of my hands. I'm freaking out. It was, it was, it was, you know, it was kind of interesting because it wasn't just like an illusion that I've created in my own head. It was like a lot of people were like, oh my God, I can't live without this stuff. And we're talking like, you know, 65 year old grandmothers and, and, and then high performance professional athletes that are like, man, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm doing winter, winter league in Japan. I'm like, I gotta, I gotta have this. And so, yeah, it's, it's, it's kind of fascinating. It's a, it's an interesting trend and it's a testament of

why we've been around for so long for, we've been around for 15 years. Yeah. So here's, here's a great hack that, you know, Wayne and I did a 300 set workout once just to see that we could took us about three hours. But anyways nonstop. There's research on this. If you're drinking a pre-digested protein shake while you're working out, you'll actually, first of all, your body wants to start recovering the second you finish your set. Yeah, there's a 48-hour recovery window, but instantly, as soon as you put stress on the muscle, your body wants to start rebuilding that muscle.

So if you're drinking pre-digested protein, you're essentially going to start using the aminos right away. So what you can do, you can take like three, four, five capsules of mass limes or enzyme formulation. You blend it in your protein shake and you just sip on it while you're working out. And it's been shown to improve muscle gains and recovery. And it's really awesome because you'll actually start tasting and seeing the difference.

So it'll go from protein to aminos and you start seeing all the bubbling so you can see and taste the chemical reaction or the breakdown of protein to aminos as it's happening. But that's a great hack. So if you guys go to masszymes.com forward slash shrugged, there's actually like a video of the enzymes breaking down steak, right? Yeah, I filmed that in my house.

I took a piece of meat and put it in vinegar just because I wanted to recreate the acidity of the stomach. And I put one in vinegar just because I wanted to recreate the acidity of the stomach. And I put one in vinegar with no enzymes. And you can just see it completely dissolve the meat into a pool of aminos. It's awesome. Yeah, it's awesome. So you guys go and create masszymes. What is the process of actually creating this product and what's in it? How do we make these things?

Yeah, so, you know, again, I'm always reading research and researching ingredients and looking at data. And so is Wade. So we looked at all the different types of enzymes. We worked with some of the best

enzyme formulators in the world. And we said, hey, we want to create something for athletes, something for bodybuilders, something for CrossFitters. And this is what we came up with. So there's a wide variety of different proteases you know again that work at the different ph levels we've got some amylases which break down

the carbs we got some lipase we got a whole variety again we got astrazine which is really really exciting that brings the aminos through the intestinal tract but what the way they're made is you take plants and you ferment them and then you isolate the enzymes. Fermenting seems to be like the way all the really, really healthy gut things. And it's kind of like, well, it's been around for eons. But it's starting to make its way to California. Literally since the beginning of time. Well, let's go back historically.

So humans, and if you want to get into enzymes and fermenting and fungus and all this kind of stuff, you go back to, like, Paul Stamets talks about it, the mushroom guy, and he talks about how we had a common ancestor 650

million years ago. And mycelium grew a digestive system where they digest the food outside the body. We went and started digesting the food inside. And so in order to get a really good enzyme, what you need to do is you need to have some sort of fungus, like penicillin is a fungus that grows and you ferment it. Now, what you can do, and this is what a lot of people don't understand when they look at an enzyme. They say, well, that has protease, and that has amylase, and that has lipase. That's true, but you do not know the conditions that were grown on.

You do not know what the mediums were going. You do not know the time. So it takes eight weeks to produce one bottle of mast signs because you have to grow it on a medium for various durations. Then you bring on another medium, and then you bring on another medium. It's a highly secretive process. you know people don't just talk about this and so the unfortunate part is a lot of people will say oh well i can walk into whole foods and you know pick up you know xyz enzyme for 10 bucks and you'll look at the counter and there's like

there's one enzyme that's ten dollars there's one enzyme is a hundred dollars and they don't understand that there is a culturing process that we use that the the enzymes inside a product that we're producing is a hundred to a thousand times more potent than an enzyme you'll find in a food product like bromelain or papaya or something like that and so i think that's the distinction about quality so it's like it's like race cars you know you. You can have a Formula One race car that goes around the track at 200 miles an hour, can take a turn at 150. And you can have a beat up junker that you don't know if it's going to get around the block. They're both cars, but they're not the same in performance. Wade and I have always been obsessed with just creating the best. We never cared about the cost

of manufacturing. Whatever the best is and then we'll figure out the marketing afterwards. It is a premium product. We price it fairly. As far as the price per capsule and the amount of protease you get, we have more protease per capsule than anyone

else, which is again what you want as an athlete. So value-wise, I think we're right up there in the top. And as far as results, I think we're the best. I love it. Masszymes.com forward slash shrugged. Use the coupon code shrugged. Save in 20%.

Get over and get some enzymes. I feel like this is really like the future of all conversations. We talk to a lot of people, and it always comes back to these principles of like gut health, digestion. We didn't even really get into kind of the parasympathetic side of gut health and calming your body down to help with that. But man,

the gut just, it keeps coming back. Digestion just keeps coming back and love being able to talk and take the deep dive on this stuff. Where can people find you guys individually? Clearly, massdimes.com forward slash shrugged. Yeah. Yeah, and the coupon's going to work on all of our sites.

So we have p3om.com, which is the probiotic. Bioptimizers.com is our corporate site. WadeLightheart.net is your personal site? Yeah. Or he's nonprofit. Yeah. Personally nonprofit. Yeah.

Probably if they have specific questions related to this, they can go through our website to our customer support team. They forward everything that I haven't answered directly to me, and I answer those questions. I love that stuff because it allows me to figure out, you know, what are the challenges people are facing and how can we best solve it or what we can utilize. And chances are we've already dealt with it,

and I'm happy to help out and answer those questions. At some point you've seen all the questions, right? You get a new one every once in a while? You know what? I get new questions. I answer probably anywhere between 20 and 50 new questions a week. New ones? New ones.

Who are these people? I don't know, but they keep coming, and I've been doing this for over a decade. When you just start saying, I don't know, I don't know, you got me. Well, sometimes the truth is. That's the weirdest one I've ever heard. I'm sorry. I don't have an answer. Well, that's the best part.

I love it when I get those because what it does is it drives me and says, okay, well, I don't know the answer to that. Let me go figure that out. And so it becomes a motivator and a drive because... They drive the time. And so if someone's listened to this and they've gone through a devastating physical event, there's an opportunity. There's a seed there that's saying, hey, there's an opportunity here if you can find it. And, you know, four years later, I went back to the world championships. I felt great. It was awesome. We helped all these people.

And then, you know, this whole career kicked off. And I've been able to deal with, you know, as an advisor at the American Anti-Cancer Institute, I've been, you know, flown to the Swedish national thing to give lectures to the with you know as an advisor the american anti-cancer institute i've been you know flown to the swedish national thing to give lectures to the you know sports performance and and meet some of my idols and heroes and help them in their journey and so for that that none of that would have happened if i hadn't had that challenge if we hadn't had this and it's it's just a great way to serve and so if i have the opportunity to serve i'm going to just do it because that's i got lucky and that's obviously what I was supposed to do on the planet. Fantastic. One of the things that's awesome is people are getting smarter. You know, I mean, guys like us, we're, we're always on the bleeding edge as the pioneers,

but I'm excited for, you know, the masses to start getting smarter about, you know, training, education. So what you guys are doing with your podcast is a big part of that. The people listening and sharing that with their friends and their family is part of that. And it just seems to just keeps disseminating. It feels like everyone I talk to is really, really intelligent when it comes to these things. And then you see the like global state of health and you're like, how?

Just go to Walmart. It's so mind boggling sometimes because these conversations are free like you can go learn this stuff and we've got work to do that's what it sounds like actually real quick before we shut it down you mentioned hydrochloric acid earlier uh how does that play into this and why would somebody not have enough hydrochloric acid in their stomach? Well, that's one of the things that goes down rapidly starting in your 30s. So by the time you're 40, I talked to one of the top anti-aging doctors in the world, Dr. Katz, and he said that it's 90% lower by the time you're 40 compared to your prime. So if you don't have hydrochloric acid, it's very difficult to break down the food.

So hydrochloric acid is another one of our supplements, and it makes a big difference. I want to add to that because one of the reasons why hydrochloric acid also disinfects from bacteria agents, pathogenic parasites, and I was resistant to hydrochloric acid. I was like, I got everything figured out. And, of course, I'm now not a young guy. I won't say i'm an old guy i'm getting there yeah and um i picked up a parasite in bali i came back my naturopathic doctor works with the company katrine valensky she's awesome she says yeah you got a hitchhiker uh you need to take massive dosage of hydrochloric acid i'm like come on and he's like what are you talking she goes no she goes you're you're past 40 you're not producing enough hydrochloric acid i'm like

i was resistant to it um so i pounded massive amounts because you donate ions to your immune system you kill pathogens and you break down your your food with it and i did it and i was shocked i was like wow this really works and so we went out again oh wow let's go build the best one we can and we buffered it with, we stacked some enzymes in it to activate it. We also put some buffering because it provides the alkaline minerals when you come out.

So you stabilize it, your chyme as it comes out of the intestinal tract. And yeah, so it's, you never stop learning. You just never stop. There's always a new thing. Yeah, so like the perfect, the other thing too about our probiotics is they're actually proteolytic.

So they break down protein. So like the perfect supplement stack for any meal is really, you know, three to five capsules of Mazzymes, two to three capsules of P3Oamidine, one to two capsules of hydrochloric acid. If you do that with any meal, like you can eat almost anything, including a tub of Ben and Jerry's and feel great. You're in luck. A tub or a pint? Two pints. Fun experiment. You can always take some enzymes that we produce, throw it in some food

and start mixing it up and see what happens. It's pretty cool. Ben and Jerry's, new flavor with mass enzymes. Make sure you get over to biooptimizers.com and Shrugged will save you 20% on all these fun products. Doug Larson. Yeah. By the way, I can personally attest to some of this stuff.

The first time I ever got blood work done and was recommended, I take hydrochloric acid and digestive enzymes. We talked about at the very beginning where you got less gas, perfect poops, better feeling overall. That totally happened to me. So I was actually pretty pumped to talk to you guys. I've had that experience personally. So if you're a person that you don't have perfect poops, let you imagine what that might feel like and look like, then I highly recommend trying this out. It might change your day.

There it is. You can find me, Douglas C. Larson, on Instagram. I also have my own site, douglarsonfitness.com. Check that out. We've got Barber Shrugs on Wednesday and Saturday and Technique Wads on Sunday.

Yep. At Anders Varner and at the Shrug Collective, six days a week, cranking out podcasts a couple days a week. Got the YouTube thing going on and so much content,

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