Barbell Shrugged - Why the Worst Parts of Your Life Will Fuel Your Future Success w/ Ryan Fischer — Barbell Shrugged #372

Episode Date: January 19, 2019

Ryan Fischer’s (@ryanfisch) entire life has always been about fitness. At the age of 12 he was a world ranked BMX racer. In high-school he ran track at just about every distance, played lacrosse, and football at the varsity level since his freshman year. As Ryan grew up he got into skeleton and boblsed and qualified for the US Olympic Team Trials for both sports. Ryan has finished top 5 in the CrossFit Regionals for the past 3 years. Fischer even finished top 20 in the world in the CrossFit Open for the past 3 years also. Fischer went from being homeless, couch surfing, stealing food at Whole Foods, and a stint as a male stripper, to becoming owner of the most successful gym in Orange County, CrossFit Chalk. He also created Chalk Online, a groundbreaking corporate wellness program. Fischer always had a belief that life would work itself out if he kept working hard on his passions. In this episode of Barbell Shrugged Fischer discusses why people respond to false information, how flexible dieting won’t fix your shitty nutrition habits, why you need to stare down the fire and not back down, and, the big one, Ryan Fischer’s life story.   Enjoy!   - Anders and Doug   Episode Breakdown:   ⚡️0-10: False information ⚡️11-20: The easy way out with nutrition ⚡️21-30: Therapy animals, diets, 200 and pounds of shrimp ⚡️31-40: If there are no new conversations to be had, what’s next? ⚡️ 41-50: Core principles for life and “the new thing” ⚡️51-60: The power of connection ⚡️61-70: Ryan Fischer's story ⚡️71-80: Ryan gets teary eyed, stare down the fire and don’t back down ⚡️81-90: The stuff you never forget ⚡️91-100: Why following the hard road will lead you to fulfillment ⚡️101-110: What Ryan’s working on now   ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Show notes at: http://www.shruggedcollective.com/bbs-fischer ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ► Subscribe to Barbell Shrugged's Channel Here ► Subscribe to Shrugged Collective's Channel Here http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedSubscribe 📲 🎧 Listen to the audio version on the Apple Podcast App or Stitcher for Android Here- http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedApple http://bit.ly/BarbellShruggedStitcher Shrugged Collective is a network of fitness, health and performance shows that help people achieve their physical and mental health goals.  Usually in the gym, but outside as well. In 2012 they posted their first Barbell Shrugged podcast and have been putting out weekly free videos and podcasts ever since. Along the way we've created successful online coaching programs including The Shrugged Strength Challenge, The Muscle Gain Challenge, FLIGHT, Barbell Shredded, and Barbell Bikini. We're also dedicated to helping affiliate gym owners grow their businesses and better serve their members by providing owners tools and resources like the Barbell Business Podcast. Find Shrugged Collective and their flagship show Barbell Shrugged here: SUBSCRIBE ON ITUNES ► http://bit.ly/ShruggedCollectiveiTunes WEBSITE ► https://www.ShruggedCollective.com INSTAGRAM ► https://instagram.com/shruggedcollective FACEBOOK ► https://facebook.com/barbellshruggedpodcast TWITTER ► http://twitter.com/barbellshrugged

Shrugged family, we are hanging out with Ryan Fisher today. You can usually check him out on Tuesdays on Real Talk, but today he's on Barbell Shrugged Saturday edition. We've got two hours hanging out, talking all things nutrition, but really digging into the story of Ryan Fisher and how so much adversity through his life. A lot of people know about the story of him being homeless, sleeping on couches at my gym in Pacific Beach. But now, as the story unfolds, there's a whole bunch of family things that have happened in his life that really fuel his passion and intensity to succeed. And if you've been following

his career over the last couple years, which has lit up lately, the Instagrams, the podcast, his new YouTube channel, make sure you get over to at Ryan Fish to check out everything he's up lately. The Instagrams, the podcast, his new YouTube channel. Make sure you get over to at Ryan Fish to check out everything he's up to. And two hours with Ryan Fisher. Let's go. Literally, a crunch and brunch. Yeah, they're going to do crunches.

You better have some serious abs when you're running a crunch and bunch. Welcome to Barbell Strug. I'm Anders Varner. Doug Larson in the house. Ashley Van Halen. We're strong New York in New York City. At Solace. New York. All things New York.

Brian Fisher, what up, bro? Welcome back. I'm so excited to be on the show. We literally woke up like 20 minutes ago. We were like, we're just going to put these things on. We're going to talk about things. You guys had great expectations last night. You're like, workout 7 a.m. One thing is going on. We're going to talk about things. You guys had great expectations last night.

You're like, workout 7 a.m. One thing is going on. I get up early. You guys are like, yeah, we'll roll through at some point. Side story. Ashley Van Houten was just really excited to talk about your abs today. Oh, yeah. For those of you who don't know, I did send her a very sexual kiss. It was adorable.

It made my night. I didn't have to go out and be social, and I still got some. I had everything I needed. Just a picture of Ryan Fisher sending me a big kiss. It was adorable. It made my night. I didn't have to go out and be social and I still got some I had everything I needed. Just a picture of Ryan Fisher sending me a big kiss. He did not honor your request. He still has his top on. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, you're welcome to If you want his top off, you're

going to have to work for it. Thank you. I'm getting so excited. When did your abs start to, where you're like, man, I got fucking this thing. Seriously, when I was in seventh grade, yeah, seventh grade, I was running track. And I remember running around the track and literally all these girls would just line up and just be sitting there giggling at me. And I was in seventh grade.

No one had abs yet. And they haven't stopped giggling since. I had this track coach, though, right? So, like, he was fucking ripped and he, like, always was talking about nutrition. And he said something to me one time when I was in seventh grade and he like always was talking about nutrition and he he said something to me one time when i was in seventh grade and he said you know after you have after we do this track practice if you go home and you eat and you drink a soda everything we did is is done it doesn't exist anymore you've

completely ruined the whole practice which now i know to be like completely inaccurate like the soda actually probably would have helped me some fucking glycogen in my body afterwards. But at the time I was like, holy shit, you know, like I didn't know a lot about nutrition, but I was like, well, I'm not drinking soda anymore. I remember going home and like the two liter of Pepsi was just on the counter. Did you have Coke in your house growing up? Oh my God.

Every single Pepsi. It was Pepsi. But it was every single day. Anytime soda was on sale my mom would come home with like a lot of soda yeah and i just thought like it would be summertime and if i was like out playing and doing my thing i could just go in the garage and grab a coke and i'd be like hydrated honestly though i feel like the fact that you were even thinking about soda not being the best thing to drink in grade seven puts you way ahead of a lot of people.

Because I think about so many high-level athletes. Like, I've talked to NFL players for the podcast that were like, a year ago, I was refueling a cheesecake factory. That's what I ate every day. So it seems like a lot of people excel despite the way they eat instead of, you know what I mean? So the fact that you were on top of it that early is pretty... It really started getting me into the whole health thing really fast. I was young, and I was like really really into it and the more i found out

the more i started like adding to my little repertoire of like things that i was going to do and i started doing like push-ups in between tv commercials and like all these different things and i was just shredded all through high school and like seventh eighth grade and i remember just everybody was like damn you know so for yourself yeah it was really cool is that one of those things for you were like the first time you tried to do like 100 push-ups you're like i got 87 that's pretty good right i think i legit got like 30 my first time and i was like very young yeah something like that no big regarding the soda thing i remember when i was 12 i went to a soccer camp and the the guy that was hosting the soccer camp told me that if I drink artificial sweeteners,

specifically aspartame, it would create formaldehyde in my optic chiasm, and I would go blind. Wow. That's an interesting scientific fact. And that's when I stopped drinking soda. That's all you need. I have no idea if that's true at all. Do you ever have soda anymore? No.

Oh, so I will have, like like one a year on a plane. And they bring you that like six ounce glass. And like it's barely enough. Like if you have water, six ounces is like a sip. So I will drink the Coke, the six ounces. And literally as like the last drop is going down my throat, I can feel my body like I'm going to need another one of those. I love the interesting airplane choices

people make. I don't like the bubbles. Has anyone ever had Clamato juice on an airplane? I don't even know what that is. That's a Canadian thing. Not okay. Tomato juice? Yeah. It's like that, except there's clam juice in it. You guys don't know about this? How does this combination emerge?

When you said Clamato, clam was not even part of what I was thinking. When I heard Clam, I went to a totally different podcast in my head. Pierce is on his phone. He's like, I'm out. I wanted to show you guys this. I took this on the plane, and it was a napkin. Zero sugar.

And it said Coca-Cola, zero sugar. And I took a picture of this, and I put it in my story on my Instagram. Yeah. And I was like, how the fuck is this still happening? How are we on a plane with a fucking napkin that says, like, I love Coca-Cola. Also, it's zero sugar and it's great for me and all that. Right. I got so many messages from people who are like, can you explain why you hate this?

I'm like, really? You really think fucking Coke Zero is fucking Coke Zero? That's a real thing. People are really still thinking this right now. It's like smoking cigarettes and the pack of cigarettes doesn't say you're going to die in the next three, two, one fucking

self-destruction. I feel like most people are attacking it from the wrong direction. They're saying, well, it's not that bad for me, as opposed to, why is it good for me? It's like, if you rationalize everything in your life like that, you're never going to do anything that's actually truly good for you. You're just going to do the bare minimum. Well, nobody's asking questions anymore in anything in fitness or health.

They just want to hear the answer, and it's over. So that's what sucks about social media, is you have so many people who are like, do this. And they're like, okay Just fucking robots, right? So like you have to real I tell people all the time and I talk about it on my Instagram a lot I'm like you have to like really trust who you're getting your information from

cuz It's even like like me or you right now if we have a shoulder injury right now We're gonna go to three different doctors and two is gonna say No surgery or no two is gonna say you need surgery one's three different doctors and two's going to say no surgery. Or no, two's going to say you need surgery, one's going to say no, and you're like, right on. No surgery, I'm good, right? Yeah. Which you shouldn't get surgery anyway.

But you're just looking for the right answer, so you're just going to be cruising on social media until you find the right answer. Right. Who's this, like, Kayla Itzines or whatever? Oh, she smashes. She smashes. I'm not sure.

Smashes. But she's a tiny little human. Tiny little human. If you saw her in real life, I bet she weighs 87 pounds. Yeah, you can probably fold her up. I bet she's a wonderful human being, but she's tiny. Fold her up, fucking paper airplane her ass across the room. Hula hoop a cheerio, hang glide on a Dorito.

Women react to that. Slide under a doorway. They respond to it. Because so many of my, like, non-fitness friends who don't care about muscle, I guess, they respond to that because they're like, I want to be tiny. I want you to be able to fold me up into a paper. But I can go. Let's say, because New York has everything.

If they had a ramen shop, right, where all people ate were noodles, I could probably find Kayla Itzien's in there and be like, hey, can you be my trainer? And she's like, all I've eaten is 27 calories today, so you can just do that. Yeah. And that's – I mean, literally there's nothing about her that's like, oh, my God. She's not super hot. She doesn't have a crazy body. It doesn't look like she's ever really done anything.

She was just like – I hope she's not listening. It's fine. It's fine. I'm sorry. But like – We'll meet her one day. We'll have her on.

You massacre – you make more money in a day than, like, I've ever made. Like, yeah, whatever. Yeah. You make more money in a day than I've ever made. Yeah, whatever. But it's just to say that there's people who have that connection with certain people, and they just want someone to tell them what to do. And I think it's just such a bummer now. No one's really doing the research anymore. Can you do it in actually 300 words on Instagram, though?

I don't think it's really possible. But you can do it consistently over time, right? Yeah, but the complexity of everything, I feel like, like this is something that just because of this job, I think about it all the time, right? Somebody walks up to you and is like, hey, can you train me? Like, what do I do to get in shape? I don't know. Yesterday, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon's in here.

Then before that, you've got Mike Boyle. Like, CJ Murphy's in here telling me why powerlifting is so radical. Like, I don't know. There's a lot of things that we have to talk about. We talk to so many people. It's hard to, like, digest. And they're the best in the world about their one specific tiny little niche. So, like.

Yeah, but there's the look test. I think the look test fucking crushes everything. Well, your look is different. No, no, no. Okay, yeah. So if you guys look at me. You were seven years old and had a turtle shell abs. Does that matter?

Even if you don't know. I worked hard when I was seven, though. Wait, is that true, though? Do you picture yourself when you were, like, single digits and, like, you had abs back then? I was always. Like, more abs than the average eight-year-old. I was a very active child, though. Like, my whole life.

I've just been so active always. Although I did grow up, I don't think I had ever eaten an actual vegetable or even protein until I was like 16. No joke. Everyone out there in the world, I actually am only on Earth right now from the ages of 0 to 11 solely because of the product called Gushers. Gushers were delicious. I love Gushers.

Gushers were incredible. I literally survived on Gushers and Dunkaroos. Remember Dunkaroos? Dunkaroos. Dunkaroos. So good. I was literally just going to say you had Dunkaroos in the mix. You literally became a human Dunkaroos right just now.

I would for sure dunk you anytime. This is going so well. A big scoop of ice cream. This is going so well. A big scoop of ice cream. This is going so well. It's like icing, right? Yes. Icing and a graham cracker, basically. Frosting and cookies.

Yes. Unbelievable that's a product. How about the fun dip where you took a stick of sugar and you licked it and then you stuck it in more sugar to lick the sugar off and then you could eat the stick of sugar right after. Yes. What a product. Or pixie sticks.

Pixie sticks. You can fucking snort one of those. Your day is set. I had a time. Going back to the nutrition thing, though, I think it's still the one thing that people, because they take it so personally, it's like an attack. And it's like this whole freedom of speech, freedom to eat, whatever. So if we say smoking is unequivocally bad, it's bad for you.

If you decide to do it, you're making a bad choice. Most people can agree with that and say, yeah, I still decide to do it because I'm addicted and I like it, whatever. But if you say eating Dunkaroos is a terrible thing for you to do across the board, no matter what, people get fucking pissed. And they're like, I can choose to do that if I want to it's a free country i can eat chips and soda you know what that's called i can't wait to say this right now this is the best part of the whole show guys get ready flexible fucking dieting yeah i don't think flexible dieting is bad right but i think

it's a gateway it's weed yeah it's a gateway to It's weed. Yeah. It's a gateway to fucking everything. Which, I mean, I've smoked weed and I've never actually done heroin. Marijuana is a gateway to anything. I'm just saying. Except sitting around and eating duck roost. How dare you offend me last night. I smoked weed last night and I was not on the corner of New York Lake. No, no, no. Anybody got any heroin?

Anybody got any pixie sticks? I'm looking to downregulate. No, you're 100% correct. But there are some people out there who just can't help themselves I think sugar is way more addictive than marijuana will ever be I agree with that That's very true Okay, so then what do you think about

But anyway, I think this whole flexible dieting craze right now Is just letting It's the easy way out And everybody wants the easy way out And I fucking hate it I think it's so fucking dumb And you're still eating products Zach is a really good dude Yeah. And everybody wants the easy way out. And I fucking hate it. I think it's so fucking dumb. Yeah.

Well, that guy. And you're still eating products. Zach is a really good dude. Yeah. But he's 23 years old. Of course. You can't be 35 and be eating fucking waffles with icing with a dab of protein. Yeah. He's too young.

I will be. Yeah. You could hold him right here, like in your bosom, and he would suck on your nipple. He's got beautiful little. He could be breastfed at this age. To play devil's advocate, I view like on the spectrum of the ways to eat, if I told somebody who's way, way down the line, they're completely obese, like here's exactly how to eat, here's exactly how I eat, you should just copy me,

maybe one in 100 would do it. Maybe. And the rest of them totally fucking wouldn't. And so for them, maybe they do the flexible dieting thing and they hit their macros and they hit their macros with fucking cheesy poofs and gushers and whatever it is. And maybe that was better than what they were doing. 100%.

And if they did that for six months, then maybe they go, oh, well, this worked, but it didn't work as well as I wanted it to work. So now I need to move to the next thing. And so it's like all the dominoes are falling, and then maybe they get to where I am like 10 years later. Yeah. No, yeah, I totally agree. There's definitely a step in that flexible dieting that could be great for so many people.

But their actual target demographic is like 18-year-old girls. I feel like it goes back to, again, though, whether it's food or working out, it's like the best plan is the plan that you're going to stick to. So this goes back to the Joe Rogan thing with, I think it was, Lane Norton and Dom D'Agostino, and they were doing the keto versus if it fits your macros. Did you listen all four hours? I think I did listen to all of it.

Get it, girl. And the comments are like – Is it a good one? It's pretty good. It is good. But, again, the comments are like... Is it a good one? It's pretty good. It is good. But again, the comments are like, the people who you can tell are into keto

are like, Dom's the fucking man. He's so smart. If it fits your macros, it's stupid. Those people are stupid. And the people who like to eat Pop-Tarts and donuts were like,

what is this keto bullshit? It's like, are we actually convincing anybody of anything? These debates, these open, civil discussions, is anyone open enough to learn

any other side, or are they just gonna, as you said, kind of pick and choose the stuff that they're already, aligns with what they're into? I mean, I do know that artificial sugar causes fucking cancer. That's a fucking, motherfucking fact. And if you eat a lot of sugar and you don't have a gigantic base of muscle to burn through that sugar very

quickly, you're gonna get fucking fat. There's just no doubt about it. I think people do learn things and people are convinced, but the timeline that we look at is too short in a lot of cases. Like, if I go to someone, someone joins my gym and three months later they're not eating paleo or whatever, I'm like, that guy doesn't listen to anything. But maybe he did get 2% better. Like, on a 10-year time horizon, maybe he's radically different.

Right. I just think weightlifting is so rad because you can get a weight. Like what do you think of this workout? If these people, there's like this little airboxing, sidestepping thing going on. It looks like a little boot camp class. I don't have any problem with any of those people doing that, but you can't go and eat sugar and do this workout. Whereas if you're doing a very weightlifting-focused, muscle-building workout, you can get away with a little bit more on the diet side of things.

I think these people would argue with you because they're going to go have some brunch right after this. Exactly. They deserved it. They earned it. A cheesy croissant and a fucking 100-gram of sugar. they're going to go, you know, some of these people are going to go have some brunch right after this. Exactly. Get all hopped up on champagne. They earned it. A cheesy croissant and a fucking hundred gram of sugar. I went to my, the very first meal I had of my in-laws over like when I landed and I was like dying, hadn't eaten all day on the airplane.

And I sit down, I had like for dinner that night, it was like, I had some like turkey. She was like, would you like a roll? And brought it over and it was like a sticky bun. And She was like, would you like a roll? And brought it over and it was like a sticky bun. And I was like, that's not a roll. That is a fucking pastry. And I'm going to dot... Oh yes, I'll have two. And also, yes, I want those.

Lately I've really been going out of my way to find the good in things. So I was kind of playing devil's advocate. One of us is doing that. Positivity, right? So I was playing devil's advocate a little bit with what you said, but I think we all fundamentally agree with exactly what you're saying. Like the flexible dieting thing, like food quality matters a lot.

And just because you hit your macros on poor quality food and you also happen to lose weight, like that's kind of okay, but you're not going to be the healthiest person you could possibly be if you're hitting your macros on poor quality food. So in your opinion, what should people be eating? Like how should people be eating? In my opinion, I still just like the basic paleo principles, just fruits, vegetables, meats, and nuts.

I'm a huge fan. High five for that. The paleo magazine. I knew he was smart. I knew he was so smart. I could just look at him and tell how smart he is. There was nine things in front of him that said he was smart. I eat like an embarrassing amount of fat. See how she did that?

She was like, he's so smart. She was, like, rubbing on him. What if we did that if you were a guy? Listen, you guys. You were like, I can tell she's so smart. You guys have had two days of glute lab chats. I get my moment. What if we walk into the glute lab?

This is why you need a woman co-host to be in the playing field, objectify some men. That's what I'm here for. I feel good about it. Ryan Fisher has no problem being objectified. If we walked into the glute lab and we were like, hey, Brianna Fit, yeah, you do know about nutrition. You know what? For once, double standard works in my favor. I love it.

And it makes me happy. How come no one objectifies us? I'll objectify the shit out of both of you. Don't worry about it. Grab me. Touch me. That was the most sexual thing I've seen all morning. Okay, we just found our answer why this doesn't happen.

Oh, this is going off the rails so quick. Everyone listening to the audio, thank God it's just audio for your sake. To add to that real quick, I used to love Charles Poliquin. I have to say used to because he passed away. That sucks. But he used to tell all of his athletes, you're not allowed to eat any carbohydrates until I can fucking see your linea alba on your stomach, which is a.k.a. your abs.

So I think that still works really, really well. And whether or not there's different percentages and ratios that you can eat of all macros to get you to where you want to be, if you have a lower carbohydrate intake, you're going to be leaner. And it's also going to give you better habits. I mean, I love to drink fucking lattes more than anything. Not sweetened one, but just like a regular latte with whole milk. Fucking greatest thing in the world.

It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. It feels like Christmas, even when it's January or fucking February. So August. January was not a good analogy. I needed, yeah, I fucked up. So I'm looking at a Christmas tree that doesn't have any bulbs on it. It was fucking up my vibe. So I think that's, like, very, very important.

So, like, if I start drinking black coffee like I had the last couple days with you guys, I no longer really feel like I need the latte anymore, even though it's just regular whole milk and it only has like probably nine grams of sugar in it. But if you start eating foods that are higher in fat and lower in carbohydrates, eventually after a while you no longer need it anymore. Which is why I don't really like the flexible dieting craze because you're always going to be craving that like thing that's not good.

And it's harder for you to get off of something like that and go to something like paleo. What are your favorite fat sources? I love cashews. For some reason, I feel like I could eat an abundance of cashews and get leaner. But if I eat an abundance of almonds, it doesn't work that way. Yeah. I feel like all of us have a certain food. I just snapped my head to Doug waiting for him to be like, oh, this is why.

Do you have anything? Oh, no. I was totally thinking of something else. I was making jokes in my head that don't need to go on the show. I'll tell you later. Oh, man. You can't say that. No, no, no.

It's a timing thing. The moment has passed. Okay. What were you saying? I was literally waiting. I was like, okay, why? I had no idea you were making dirty jokes about kickboxers in the background. Yeah, we'll say that.

We'll say that. Okay, okay. So for me, I eat a ton of cashews. I eat a ton of just full eggs for fat sources. Another thing. I do eat quite a bit of avocado, but not a crazy amount. Are you into any of the sort of like MCT oil, bulletproof, like all that added extra crap? I don't really.

When I'm really hungry at night, though, I take a giant scoop of coconut oil. Oh, yeah? And it just like turns me off to like where I don't even want to eat. Yeah. So I just take a big fat scoop of coconut oil, and then I'm out. See, this is a reason keto never worked for me because, you know, I've experimented with all these diets because I talk to so many people who do them. And so I feel like I should have some basis of experience and keto never worked for me because everyone always says how satisfying it is.

And you find yourself eating less and you can, you can barely eat. You have like four macadamia nuts and you're so fucking full. First of all, that's never been my experience. I can absolutely overeat fat until I'm dead. When I experimented with carnivore, with the carnivore, I find protein the most satiating. If I'm eating just steak and beef and eggs all day, I will eat enough and be like, I fully do not want to eat anymore, whereas I will overeat fat until I make myself sick. Well, when I first started hanging out with Anders, all I ate was ground beef every day for a year. Yeah. We used to just go.

I didn't even eat vegetables. They used to make fun of me and be like, why do you not eat vegetables ever? Was this just like an ease of convenience thing or what? Yeah, pretty much. Well, and we didn't have any money, and we didn't have any options. So we would just go to the Sprouts, the grocery store, and you can buy ground beef in a one-pound pack. And we – well, he was was homeless i was basically living in a total shithole that you didn't really want to be in his office was just like a computer and a george

foreman so in the foreman grill where i actually 99 of my meals because i was in the gym trying to create a business that could actually survive i would just go over, I would pull out, look like I'd buy a one-pound pack of ground beef, I would open the foreman, I would never touch the beef, I would just flop it over onto the foreman, close the lid, throw four pieces of cheese, and then a pack of guacamole, and that was breakfast, lunch, and dinner all day long. That's like the healthier version of people saying, like, I just ate ramen for every meal for ten years because I was poor. You did a better job. Do you have the ability

to just eat the same thing over and over and over like that? I actually do, which is weird because food really is like my reason for living and most of the joy in my life is around eating. That was a really strong statement. It really is. I don't have kids, you guys. Food is it for me.

I'm very adventurous. You want your kids to have abs or what? It really is. I don't have kids, you guys. Like, food is it for me. I'm very, like, adventurous food-wise. We can change that at any time. Hey! You want your kids to have abs or what? Yes. Instantly read. Anyway. Okay.

This is why Ryan Vicious is on shows. Oh, I love it. It really makes me happy. Anyway, I live in New York. I eat all kinds of weird food. I'm very adventurous. I'll eat anything. But I do have this background with bodybuilding, which for a lot of reasons, people eat the same things over and over again because it's easier.

And I can go three to six months eating rice, ground beef, eggs, oatmeal over and over again. And I think there seems to be some evidence. Some smarter people in nutrition have told me that if you want for maintenance, for fat loss, for things like that, keeping things kind of simple and repetitive can actually be very helpful. I just can't. It's too complicated to think about what I'm going to eat. I only want to actually do like three things in my life. And everything else needs to be simplified to the point where I don't have to think about it.

It's like pre-made meals that are delicious. Great. I don't have to think about it. It's like pre-made meals that are delicious. Great. I don't have to think. Someone just got rid of a thing I don't have to think about so I can go think about the things I actually want to think about. I think if you're eating like hashtag clean paleo, like just meat, vegetables, basically, it is easy and it is fast. Literally, you put meat and vegetables in a pan and put it in the oven for a

half an hour and it comes out and it's roasted and it's delicious. Like there's really. I just don't understand how can something that was put on earth for us and it was the only thing that was actually put on earth for us and we were put on earth and then how can you tell me that that's not the best way to eat? Yeah, agreed.

There is zero argument left. How do you need to tell me that I need to change what I need to eat all the time? How are you going to tell me that? If you go on safari and watch the animals eat, you're like, oh, I'm watching the whole fucking story of the whole everything.

It's so obvious. I've never seen a tiger like, I don't really want to eat a fucking antelope today. Hey guys. Are you a keto lion? Yeah. I'm carnivore only. You look at people's pets and dogs all have fucking anxiety and diabetes

and are dying from being fat now because they're eating our food. So that's not also good evidence that we're doing the wrong thing. Every time I hear there's a dog on CBD. That's fucking really interesting. Right? Anytime there's a dog on CBD oil, I'm like, really? But listen, listen. What is going on?

There is literally a company right now that is working on keto, nutritional keto therapy for dogs with cancer, i.e. make a dog eat normal fucking food that dogs should eat, meat. And they're calling it this ridiculous kind of keto study when it's like, just make them stop eating this weird freeze-dried food that we

made up for them and let them eat. Do you have a dog? I do not anymore, no. I grew up with pets, yeah. I think anytime the world... Therapy... We lost him. It was a vegan, I don't know. Anytime grew up with pets, yeah. I think any time the word therapy. We lost him. It was a vegan. I don't know. Any time therapy. Fucking wilted away.

The fucking breeze in New York and it just froze. It died of anger from living in New York City. Any time I hear the words therapy and dogs together, I'm like, I can't talk to this person anymore. Would you get on a plane and there's like – Just vacuuming money out of your wallet right now. It's ridiculous. Sometimes you'll get on a plane and there'll be some lady with a 12-pound cat and you're like, you need a therapy cat?

Your cat hates you. It has no interest in being around you. Cats have the worst personalities. For your therapy, you chose an animal that would prefer to be away from you. Did you know that there are therapy horses, mini horses, and you're allowed to bring them on some airlines? Shut up. No way. I want one.

Shut up. Am I your therapy horse? I got pointed to. I'll be a horse for a day. Oh, my God. That's your therapy turtle this conversation is going so well for me on the variety front i think it's really interesting that if i tell someone who doesn't eat that well this happened many many times where i'll say like i eat eggs

and blueberries and avocado for breakfast every day that's like basically what i've ate for eating for breakfast for years and years and years the same thing every day and they'll go is that good for you to eat the same thing every day? I'm like, are you under the impression that you don't basically eat the same thing every single day? The food that you're eating the same every day is really bad for you? You think it's bad that I eat eggs and

avocado and blueberries every day? I'm in danger with my health right now? People think that they're making choices all the time, but they're really just acting out of habit. They have no idea that it's just like a constant stream of the same shit but they think they go through their day and their individual actions they think are special and unique and then if you look at it on like a weekly thing it's like uh nope you ate the same thing at the same time you had the same result but do you think that genetically like

you went on like a what a three three-month carnivore diet? You've done the keto thing? Well, not three months, but yeah. I mean, I've done both of those things for like a few weeks at a time, yeah. I did that for a year. Carnivore? Yeah. I literally only ate beef for a year, 100%.

Oh, really? I actually remember going to Whole Foods. It was on another podcast where I talked about I went to the counter because it was like $1.99 one day for grass-fed beef. And I was like, I want 100 pounds. And the guy was like, he just stared at me for like a while. And he's like, I can't. And I was like, how about 50? And he's like, all right.

And he was like bummed. Like he wanted to retire his job. He's just some cow with the back. Some guy just ordered a half a cow. My Australian friend who doesn't just not very good with math and or just really doesn't understand the conversion of kilos to pounds, doesn't really know what pounds are, like, at all, was at the grocery store at Whole Foods and walked up and was like,

I'll get 200 pounds of shrimp, please. And the guy was like, you want 200 pounds of shrimp? And she was like, yes, please. I need to fill a bathtub. Don't ask questions. Hold on for a second. I got to go in the back. And he came out and he was like, are you aware of what you ordered?

And she was like, no, sir. Not at all. He was like, do you know how much 200 pounds is? He's like, that's bigger than me. She was like, oh, how much did I get, sir? And he was like, one pound? He was like, I'll take that. Thank you. For whatever reason, I feel like our culture is more set up where people who eat super clean and are super strict, people are more disturbed and upset and consider that dysfunctional or disordered versus people who eat garbage all day long. And I remember when I was

first learning about nutrition and getting really into it and I was into paleo and I kind of stopped eating processed carbs and things like that. I had a friend truly tell me that she thought I had an eating disorder because I stopped eating bread. And that was very upsetting to me. And I'm like, first of all, I don't feel like I look like I've ever missed a meal or I'm not nourishing myself properly, but the idea that I would cut something, whatever it is, completely out of my diet really upset her for whatever reason. And I just think it's interesting that we're in a world

where somebody wanting to eat as healthily as possible is more disturbing to people than people who are like, fuck it, YOLO, eat whatever. Like people aren't worried about that for some reason. I don't know. Well, they don't have a connection between like what's going in and what. But there is like a weird point where you get invited. One of my favorite stories of you is where you got invited to your neighbor.

He made like the most beautiful bowl of chili for you when you came home and you actually had zero dollars. And it would be very nice if your nice neighbor made you dinner one night and he went in and got the chili. And then I was like, he came back. He goes, what's in this? And he was like, oh, a bunch of like ground beef and beans. And he instantly went back to his house and threw up. Well, no, he said soybeans.

Soybeans. That's what it was. And I was like so against soy. I was like, oh, my God. You went back and made yourself throw up. And I stuck my finger down my throat and threw up. But there was a mirror over the toilet. Thank God.

So I throw up in the toilet and I look up and I'm like, I have a problem. What have I become? I'm like, I can't do this anymore. I have a problem. What have I become? I can't do this anymore. I have to be able to have some flexible portions of my life right now. Just to be like, you know. Over the long haul though, I feel like our body has these set points

and I just I really wonder once you get to a healthy weight and body composition, I don't know if any of the shit matters like you're kind of just stacking the chips but then it's like having like a massive savings account and it's like we've stacked the chip so far in one direction like does it really like my weight specifically when i stopped competing i went from from 185 to 195 over two years, and now I'm just there.

And I can eat really fucking healthy for two weeks, three weeks. Body count may look a little bit better, but it's just kind of like who I am at this point. It's like 195, 197, somewhere in those two to three pounds. And it just kind of is. After 23 years, it would be really painful for me to go on a diet where I was, like, trying to look like that guy, like being Mr. Ab Guy. Like, man, mentally I couldn't even check into something like that.

Really good question, Anders. I was hoping there would be, like, oh, yeah, I have a set point too. Like, do you, no matter what you do, does it matter? You're just going to be ab guy. No, like if I go out drinking. Drinking, yeah. Drinking or like – fuck, dude, on Thanksgiving I went so hard. I was telling – I think I was telling you guys last night.

I like – I woke up. I worked out in the gym with everybody in my gym. I went straight to Whole Foods after. It was like noon. I woke up. I didn't eat anything at like 6 in the gym with everybody in my gym i went straight to whole foods after it was like noon i woke up i didn't eat anything at like six in the morning then it was like noon and i went to whole foods with like all intentions of eating like a bunch of like good thanksgiving food like stuffing and turkey and like sweet potatoes and stuff i go to whole foods and i'm like i'm eating half a pizza right now so So I ate half of a white pizza, my favorite pizza. And then I went on my drive home.

I was like, I really want like donuts and fucking cake and everything, right? Fuck now. So I go to all these like perfect donut and cake places and they're closed. And I'm like, I actually went all the way home. Got in my driveway and I was like, no, I'm making it rain today. So I went like, I go to this food store. I get three different kinds of Ben & Jerry ice creams, pints, because I wasn't sure which one I really wanted.

I'd never really, I don't, like, never have Ben & Jerry's, and now there's all these ridiculous flavors. And I was like, well, I have to try that one and that one and that one. So I bring them home with intention of eating, like, a couple scoops of each one. I ate all three pints. Beautiful. And then, like, an hour and a half later, I went back and ate two Snickers ice cream bars.

How do you handle dairy? Totally fine. Nice. Clearly pretty well. Nice. He's alive after all that. I eat yogurt like every day. The Faya yogurt brand.

Wait, how did we swing from the last story where you threw up soybeans to doing what you just did? There was no soy in any of that. Yeah. I don't know about that. There probably was. Well, there was soy lecithin, which is like, meh. But no, wait.

So what was the motivation behind that? You were just like, fuck it, today is just like a total Thanksgiving day. Well, the whole reason was if after that day I woke up and I didn't have the same linea alba that day. Oh, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. I mean, everybody does have a set point for sure. But I think also the argument that like, you know, when you're already pretty fit or you're where your body's happiest, what's kind of the point is like this is the world we're in.

We're interested in like making tweaks and experimenting and learning different things. And, you know, even if it's not sustainable, it's like you're kind of still learning about yourself. You're learning about how the body works. So if you enjoy it, I mean, keep playing around. Yeah. I feel like I'm just like past the nutrition thing. It's almost you're kind of still learning about yourself. You're learning about how the body works. If you enjoy it, keep playing around. I feel like I'm just past the nutrition thing. It's almost like the fitness thing. I feel like I've tried them all. I know what's going to happen. There's not a new one out there.

You want me to eat more meat? Okay. I can do that. You want me to eat some more carbohydrate? Well, I'll just do that around my workout. Sweet. It's all the flexibility of metabolic flexibility. Maybe you just get's all it's like the flexibility of metabolic flexibility it's like maybe you just get there and it's like okay this is just where we hang out now i i do feel like i look better too like when i'm lifting heavy because like i have a bad knee now to the

reason i don't compete anymore and like i'll find myself lifting 50 60 effort weights for like months and then as soon as I start lifting like yesterday I did like a 545 deadlift it still wasn't even remotely my max but it was like 80-90%

downstairs and like my body feels way different like I can feel like the hormonal changes that I get from from big weights yeah

well today you feel more hormonal yeah like I'm ready to go so how do you I'm the lion ready to fuck up some antelope today. One deadlift later. How do you manage your training when you have an injury

and you can't do the super high-intensity, heavy weights, high-volume stuff that maybe you're used to? It doesn't even bother me at all. Like I'm one of those people who like I'm a great injury type of person. Like as soon as I have it, I'm like, oh, okay, so I'm just going to fucking ski a lot now. Like I'm not going to sit there and hammer the rower and hammer back squats like I have it, I'm like, oh, okay, so I'm just going to fucking ski a lot now. I'm not going to sit there and hammer the rower

and hammer back squats like I used to when I was like 26. You just find something that's less painful and you just enjoy it. And I literally don't really get as upset about it

as I used to. I used to get injured and I'd be so upset and so mentally defeated. And then now, it's not really that big of a deal anymore. I feel like when you're like 30,

you just become so much more responsible with your life. Your life, your choices, everything you do, it's not that hard. Or in Anders' case, apathetic. He's like, there's nothing new here. I don't need it. Fuck it. If you've been in the fitness industry for 20-whatever years, 22 years. You are not making a good argument for the work that we're doing right now, which is constant podcast talking about fitness and nutrition.

You're like, there's nothing new to be said here. Someone's got to do it. You three are all buying into all these carnivore things. After 20 years, most people are 98% down. Yeah. I agree with that. 98% of their journey down the road is complete. Here's the thing.

If you go to dinner. Go to dinner. Here's the thing. If you go to dinner. It's wrong with your time at that point to go focus on something else. If you go to dinner. He wasn't listening to me at all. No, you focus on other things. He wants to say something. If you go to dinner and you look at the menu and you're like, I want to have whatever this smorgasbord meal is, you shouldn't do that.

Whenever you make a meal, it should like uh that looks like about 25 grams of protein i don't look at like it's not like a food a meal like oh i really like we had shepherd's pie last night like i know what i'm getting there's like probably 40 grams of protein probably 40 grams of carbohydrate the meat's probably pretty shitty it's probably 40 grams of fat probably not the healthiest meal all fucking thrown together and put in the oven but you're getting all your macros it's probably around 800-900 calories. Just is what you need. Like I

don't look at food and think like oh I'm going to try the keto thing. Like I don't want to try it. I know what's going to happen. I'm going to eat carbohydrates. I would love to see studies on like how much protein everybody in this circle can actually absorb and actually use. That's what's interesting to me because I think that those digestive enzymes that we've been using have been really interesting.

That is one thing that I have been trying that I've actually really liked. Stuff like that geeks me out. I get excited now to take them. The full macro side of nutrition, I think as a culture, as an education, we figured it out. People just put it in a new box. They're like, oh, fucking, what is the word keto? Oh, ketones, never mind. I just had a fucking blackout moment.

Ketosis. Yeah, that thing. But, like, that whole, like, it's just a new, it's like a new way to talk about it. And then all of a sudden someone writes a book. To be kind of meta about this, though, because we are podcasters who talk about this stuff kind of over and over again. Frankly, if I have another conversation about keto, I'm going to punch somebody in the throat. You're the expert, paleo magazine-er. But if there are no new –

Turn me on, actually. Throw that hip out. He did say he was ready to go. Throw that glute out. Ashley, why is your glute out every time you talk? Why do you look like you're taking one of those bikini pictures for Instagram? That is really good. Thank you.

Thanks. Thank you. Damn. Hip thrust. That's what I'm here for, guys. I'm here all week. Good thing everyone on the way to work saw that. If there are no new conversations to be had,

are there new ways for us to talk about it, to get people who haven't heard this stuff, who are new to the world, to hear things in a different way? Like, I guess my question, I've asked this a bunch of times in my podcast, is what is the point? What are we accomplishing here? If we are talking about keto and carnivore and should you eat carbs or not and what's the best way to work out over and over again and there's kind of no new information what how can we continue to provide value to people well why can't they just look up old podcasts where you were talking about the same thing five years ago well because one they might not find that one so you have to it's it's kind of like we were talking yesterday like squat university like how many different ways can he

talk about the squat well he's done it for six years and it it's 600,000 people, but they may not see the post from four years ago. They have to learn the one that's up today. I think my biggest, like, I don't buy into the new things. Like, I've been through the CrossFit thing from literally probably like day 50 to wherever it is today. And then all of a sudden you see, like, the orange theory pop up. And then there's a bunch of fluorescent people running around in orange. They're like, this is so fucking great. Do you know about my fucking points?

And I'm on my treadmill and rowing and the kettlebell. And you're like, you know what you're doing? It's called high-intensity interval training. And you have increased your activity level. And you may have thought about the food you put in your face. I don't need to know about that orange theory thing. That's just a fucking box you put it in like if we could just talk like the more that i do anything the more i just want to go find the core principles of it so the new keto the new

carnivore the new okay well we should talk about total calorie count in your life and then activity level great how much you weigh great well here's about what you should be eating. But just eat the meat. Stop worrying about all the shit. Eat the meat. Eat the vegetable. If you have some carbohydrate, put some fucking white rice in your life and stop thinking you need to do this special shit. Just fucking eat the normal thing that you know you need to do it, but people want to have, like, this radical answer and they want some magical thing.

It's like, no, how about every day, like business, friendships, marriage, just show up and do the fucking basics, and you don't have to worry about it. Just do the principle. The reason that everything is fucked. That was a good rant. I want to hear what this does. I feel like I was watching Christmas Vacation when Chevy Chase is like, that floor-flushing blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

piece of horse shit that he is, right? And then he like Cousin Eddie gets like dragged in. Which like in this case Where does the strong coffee guy go?

I need one after that. I know, what the fuck? Alright, so everything is the way it is because people want to make money. It just is the way it is. So like options

have been brought in to make money. So it is a fact that high intensity interval training is superior to any sort of other training if you just want to look good and walk down the street and be like fuck right and when i said fuck i pointed for those of you who can't see me so at the christmas tree actually um so um we have that and then we know that eating is – eating all of the whole foods, if we say it correctly, is superior as well. So you have these two things.

Everybody knows that they're correct. So if someone's like, oh, high-intensity interval training, I'm just going to call that CrossFit. Yeah. And then I'm going to maybe call this other thing Orange Theory, which is the same fucking thing. And then I'm going to do this thing called Berries, which is the same fucking thing. And I'm just going to keep putting names on shit because now it's my thing. And this person's uneducated to know that this is really just this. So then this person is uneducated to know that I'm just eating whole foods and I'm just going to call it Keto.

Because now it's my thing and it makes me money and people think it's rad. So you have like all these different little cults of people that are like, oh, I'm this. I'm this. I'm this. I'm this. Diet identities. Even just being gay, right? You're like, I'm fucking gay. You know what I mean?

And you're just like. You're a part of aging where you just stop identifying with the bullshit. Yeah. I don't know. I think when some people get older, they lean into it even further. Maybe it's an experience thing, or maybe it's not even an age thing, but just like you've been through enough shit to recognize the fucking, the Barry thing is the same as this thing.

It's all the same. It's all interval training. And interval training is not new. No. It used to be called a superset. Or it used to be called fucking finding your food. Yeah, exactly. Being on the grassy knoll and just being like...

But these companies can make money because it's a big world. There's a lot of variance in how people want to take in their information. And so, like I was saying for the podcast, we have to keep doing this because some people are going to be attracted to your podcast, some people are going to be attracted to yours. To get back to your original question, yes, well, if everybody around me is talking about the new keto and the new this and the new that and the new this,

I'm just going to stand here and be like, well, you're all fucking talking about the same thing, which is I wake up and I eat eight eggs and some vegetables. And then I fast a little bit during the day. Like I don't usually eat until about 2 o'clock in the afternoon. And then at night, I eat a massive dinner that consists of some large portion of meat, a bunch of vegetables, and some sort of potato starchy thing every day of my life. People do like to have these cults, though. They like to be part of a community. They like to have an identity.

And that's why these things can all coexist because people want to feel like they're different but still a part of something. So I'm Orange Theory. I'm CrossFit. I'm keto because people – We're all victims of it too. I would rather be part of a CrossFit gym than a 24-hour fitness. It feels good.

I like the way I feel in here versus a regular gym right now. We walked by 24-hour fitness last night. I was like, this place looks like fucking 12-hour fitness. There was nobody there. I don't have to talk to anybody in those ones though. I go to the YMCA all the time. It's my spot. Yeah, but the thing is, is there someone in YMCA doing, like, a reverse jerk-off,

thinking he's doing fucking tricep extensions. So those people are the ones that need to be listening to this to be like, man, I'm not getting any results, and what do I need to do? Yeah, that's from us, I swear. Yeah, they're in, like, I don't really want to go and just deadlift either, right? No. But I deadlift every week because I know I need to dead like, I don't really want to go and just deadlift either, right? No. But I deadlift every week because I know I need to deadlift. I don't really want to squat.

Again, how many back squats have I done in my life? Hundreds of thousands of millions. Probably not that many. But, like, a lot of back squats, right? And I don't really want to just back squat anymore for it to, like, get more yoked. But I know I need to back squat. What I really want to do is go like experiment and play weights but play lifting weights like how many different ways

can i do this still keep it fun and sometimes i'll look over in the globo gym and there's some guy that clearly is not as experienced at playing lifting weights and you see them doing something you're like oh you need to go way back you shouldn't be doing whatever you're doing because you've read that somewhere and it's funky looking. This is a good gateway because we've been talking about nutrition for a while and I think it's a good time to talk about programming at this point because this is what you do. Yeah, it's what I do and all that. I think everyone right now is getting way too hung up on following a program

that's taking them to somewhere that doesn't matter. Do you follow a program? I do not. Just your own. Oh, yeah. I've talked to you a million times, but I do. I do generally follow like a template. If I have a goal, I will follow a program.

Like if I'm going to. So how do you make your workouts? Kind of what I feel like. I mean, at this point. Yeah. Bam. Right. You don't need the thing.

Well, because I know I again maturity. I know that I don't need to train like a CrossFit Games champ because I'm not a fucking CrossFit Games champ, and I just want to go look good and feel good and be kind of strong. And you know what the principles are, so you can get 80%, 90% of the way there by just doing three to four different things and then sprinkling some fun on top.

Yes. That's the principle. That's the same with food. Like, I'm going to eat this, and then I might take a handful of chocolate chips to the face because it fucking gets me stoked on going to bed at night. Have you ever seen documentation or, like, met anyone who is, like, the best in the world at their sport where later on they're like, I wish I didn't do a couple of those things? So, like, you have, like, you know, all the Chinese weightlifters, Soviet weightlifters, all that, like all those people who didn't make it to the Olympics and make money and like become like national or world champions and like

celebrities of their country, completely and utterly fucked. They're just like broken. Granted, they're taking all sorts of stuff and they're lifting way too much. But like they went over the envelope and there's people who are willing to go over the envelope for literally nothing more than to be on Instagram and be like, I fucking cleaned 315. And it's like, dude, if you didn't clean 315 when you were like 16 and you didn't do like 30 muscle-ups unbroken, stop training for the CrossFit Games. Like, I have massive respect for people like Fikowski and Vellner who like, they're architects.

They're like CPAs. Like, Ben Smith's another architect like if if if something fails for him or any of them they have this other thing and when you don't have anything and i fuck i'm i was the guy who had nothing and literally just trained with the vision of winning the crossfit games and I had all these other great things happen to me, but, like, I was, like, a 95% to 5% chance of whether or not things were going to work out for me. Like, it wasn't a very good odds that I put most people on. I did have all the tools in the shed, though, at the time.

I just wasn't getting the love that I needed at the time. But, yeah, like, I think there's too many people out there that are just, like, looking for the Instagram post. Yeah. Totally. And they're falling off the mountain and dying. Well, getting back to your program, though, like, one thing that I really like about the program that you write is everyone in the world is writing this program to get people, like, performance, performance, performance. Like, you have to follow my program. I'm going to make you so good.

For what? Your shit's just fun. Yeah. Like, you write to follow my program. I'm going to make you so good. For what? Your shit's just fun. Yeah. Like, you write it for people to have fun in an educated way. And it takes me longer to make fun workouts than it does to make structured workouts, to be honest. Like, for me to make a fun workout takes me a long time. I feel like when people first get into strength and conditioning,

if they have, like, if they have the education and they have a lot of experience, but they don't have a lot of experience coaching, just being an athlete, they write workouts that are like, this is the best workout to physiologically make the most adaptations in the shortest amount of time, and they kind of leave the fun component out of it because they think all the training is fun. Some people like doing 20 rep back squats and throwing up in the trash can afterwards. Let's just look at your peripheral vision right now. I'm not going to turn around and look at this class right now.

But you can see it. It's like a boot camp. And how many of those guys care about their 2RM back squat? Right. Or 1RM back squat? Or their fucking anything? Right? Right.

They care about going to brunch right after this. Yes. And that's the majority of the gym. And if care about going to brunch right after this. Yes. And that's the majority of the gym. And if you actually talk to the owner of this place right now, they're going to tell you that this class right now is actually making more money than the CrossFit class. Yeah. So in reality, you have more people that are just here to have fun. They're here to be part of the community.

And it just fucking pisses me off when someone is, like, super into it to the point where, like, oh, I want to squat this or I want to squat that. I'm just like, cool. But that i'm just like cool but like right a lot of media can be partly at fault for that i mean but like you think about people who are the best at things whether it's like steve jobs or serena williams or whatever these people tend to be like psycho focused on one thing usually to be the best in the world at something you have to sacrifice basically everything else. When really, the key to happiness for a lot of people is, I think, what you were kind of, is being a bit more well-rounded. Like, having a couple different things that you're into and that you're interested in and that you can fall back on, that you have

skills that not just in one area, but a lot of people, like, they look at Instagram and they see this, like, sexy, successful, cool person and they're like, okay, I gotta focus all my fucking energy on being able to deadlift. Well, fucking Serena Williams. She knew that she was going to be fucking Wimbledon champion

when she was like 11. Yeah. Like people knew. Did you watch her like docuseries that they did? I haven't, yeah. Yo, that is, if anybody wants to know what it's like to be the best in the world, I don't really know myself and my journey,

but you should watch that docuseries that they did on HBO because they don't have conversations where they give a fuck about what she thinks. There is, she has a baby. Six months later, her coach is sitting in a room telling her, I need you to stop breastfeeding right now or I will stop coaching you. If you want to be the best in the world, it's time you start thinking about tennis more than your baby because you're not going to win a single match. Dude, the Sharapova story is out of control.

I read a book about it. I watched that one, too. That's baller. It's crazy. Insane, dude. They don't talk to these people like they're normal. Imagine being a mom and you're like, oh, my God, I just went through this thing.

And her husband's the guy that owns Reddit. He's back in San Francisco five, six days a week doing his thing. He's not a normal human either. And then she flies to camp in, like, France, and her coach is literally looking at her. He's like, if you don't stop breastfeeding, I will not coach you. We will not sign up for Wimbledon. We're not playing tennis anymore until you stop because your body fat is way too high right now, and it's not going anywhere.

I can't control your hormones. You have to quit. And she's just in tears like, what do I do? I don't think anybody understands how intense it is to be the best in the world at something like that. I remember hearing, I want to say it was the Germans, but correct me if I'm wrong, but that they used to, the female weight lifters used to get pregnant

just for the hormone spike and then abort the baby and try to time it to get the hormone spike at the right time to peak. Damn. God. Good lord. Jesus, I think that's a good time to take a little break. Things got dark. Let's go have some coffee Shrugged family hope you're enjoying this show

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How often are you guys getting these, like, super in-depth, long, like, very personal questions, requests, and how are you responding to them? Like, I just – I get a little bit of this stuff, like questions that people, because they know you on social media and they, you know, feel that you, I don't know, maybe owe them an explanation for something whatever. How do you navigate that stuff? How do you, you want to be accessible, you want to be helpful to people but it's not your job

to fucking answer everybody's personal questions on Instagram. How do you guys deal with it? I get over a hundred DMs a day. Do you do DM roulette too? Do you go like this? That was Baderstrom's answer. It was really good. Just brrrr. She's like, sometimes it's Naderstrom's answer. It was really good. Just... Yeah.

She's like, sometimes it's a dick pic. Sometimes it's a dick pic. Sometimes it's like a girl telling me how inspired she is. So, you know, six of one, half a dozen of the other. So I get, like, a bunch that are... I've already accepted or they're friends of mine or something. And then I get these, like, little requests up in the top corner. And the request could be, like, a hundred.

Yeah. And I request could be, like, 100. Yeah. And I'll look at it. And, like, I just look at the first, like, four words, like, part of the thing. And I'm just, like, because a lot of times it's, like, a smiley face or a flexed arm or something. And I'm, like, all right, keep going, keep going. And then, like, if I click on it and it's, like, this massive thing, I do, like, a really quick speed read to see if there's like anything like this person's like gonna kill themselves or something I gotta like really gotta answer it or um

but otherwise is it like if the question interests you maybe you'll answer it yeah if it interests me or something and if it's a long answer I video them back and when I video them back that makes people's day

they fucking lose their mind yeah what about you guys like do you guys get lots of questions I get a lot of people that are um that are either coaches and they don't know how to be good coaches, or I get people that have regular jobs that are dying to get into the fitness industry,

but they're terrified. Those are the two big ones. Nobody's really coming to me for my average abs. But are you sending stock answers? Like, stick to the butt? No, no, no. Are you answering them? I think that I'm currently at a stage just in my career,

being a part of the show, I think that interacting with the fans of the show is super important, and I do take the time to actually write them back. I'll hop on the phone if people have a real question. Nice. I think that you run a gym, and you have your like your thing going on but like my job is talking to the audience and i want them to know who i am um and if somebody has like a

real question like i think you can tell how genuine someone is like kind of like if somebody takes the time to write this like one page long thing to you and you're like that's a blog post you just wrote me like you reached the character limit now you've got three different things going and your whole I can see that that person's like grasping like they want I try to read it

I will respect that they took the time to write that and yeah like I will if somebody really needs it, I'll hop on the phone with them for 10, 15 minutes and just tell them that. Like, I think the most people that reach out, though, they just want someone to be like, hey, you're right.

Like, you're doing a good job. And everyone is right. They're doing a good job if you just keep doing it. What about coaching people online? Like, coaching people through dm like my right foot hurts what do you think it is like i do not want to get in that back and forth exchange at all if they ask me a specific training question most likely i'll just text them like a link to a to a technique water or a show or something like that but typically if they write

me a big long uh the whole life story and like all these questions, I'll just get on the phone with them. I'll just, I'll skim it and then I'll say, here's my number, text me and we'll find a time to talk. Because I know I can talk to that person for 10 minutes and that's going to be way quicker and way cooler for them than me writing back this big long response and then them writing me back, me writing them back. Like I don't want that at all. They're going to think it's way more fun to hop on the phone anyway.

They're going to be like, wow, the fucking gangster, like appreciate the advice. They're going to go tell their friends like how they're gonna think it's way more fun to hop on the phone anyway they're gonna be like wow the fucking gangster like like appreciate the advice they're gonna go tell their friends like how cool that was it's way more fun so for me if they're if they want career advice like in the fitness industry i'm much more likely to say it's good on the phone and if they're younger if they're like college age or like high school like if a high school kid writes me a message and they want like career advice in the fitness industry i'm 99 of the time i would just hop on the phone with them real quick what about podcast uh suggestions feedback whatever do you get a lot of that on social media i i love it when people do that they're like you know what you should do you should go to coronado and interview all the navy seals and then you

should like get like the the guy that they made the movie sniper about and then rambo should show up and you're like i know know, that'd be rad. Do you know how fucking hard it is to make all these? Yeah, do you have an in? Yeah. Because if you don't, it's really, really hard. Like, yeah, welcome to Barbell Shrugged. That gets you in a lot of doors, but maybe not the biggest doors of all time.

Like, you should interview Arnold. Yeah, you got his number? You have his email? His personal? I hate the questions that are like, hey, man, I want to open a gym. I want a life in the fitness industry. Do you have any tips? Tips.

Super open-ended. And I'm like, fuck. What is a tip? Do you understand how long this conversation is? Do you understand any of this? Actually, I wanted exactly what you want my whole life. Just tell them you can't talk to them until they write down in 500 words exactly what they want out of the next five years of their life.

That's pretty good. And it's like the intro step to being able to have a conversation with somebody because they want you to write that for them, but you can't do it until they know what they want. I don't know what you want. So you figure it out, and I'll help you get there. But there's so many factors. We were talking last night just about how you grew up

and how much of a factor that is. Well, let's get into the Michigan Adventure story. Well, maybe not everyone's even heard any of it, but if you were on the CC Way, I've heard this story a good three, four, five times. It gets better every time I hear it. But, I mean, you're like one of my closest friends, yeah people don't usually hear it yeah i haven't heard it yeah we're gonna talk about it so let's let's go back to the beginning of last night because i think that there was a really cool step that we introed um it was the first time doug heard it last night

um and one thing cool about the story is i heard it like eight nine nine years ago. How many people had you told before you told me? Like two girlfriends. Yeah. And you, and that's pretty much it, I think. Yeah. I think a lot of people have become very comfortable with the story about, like, when you were sleeping on couches and me and you were, like, super in the struggle and, like, trying to make the gym work and you were trying to go to the CrossFit Games and we were all just, like, super grinding. super grinding, but nobody knows the story before the story.

But what was the athletic life of you growing up? You talked about track, and what was the impetus to us telling the story last night? Was it like you hacksawing a fucking cast off your leg to go run in the sprint or whatever track meet for the state championships i think i always like kind of i never really liked being home i never like i had like i had a like my mom was the fucking greatest human ever but like i didn't like love my step dads kind of growing up i didn't really like really like love like my whole family life at the house, really. A lot of people smoked in the house, and I hated smoke. I didn't really want to be home.

So once I found out I was good at something, I was like, I want to be really fucking good at this. So I would always leave and be on my bicycle riding around. I remember when I was 13 years old i was like the 30th best bicycle bmx racer in the world and it was like mainly because i was like just riding my bike everywhere i'll never forget having this fucking giant phone that was a prepaid phone and it's like when phones first came out like having a big screen didn't even exist yet and i remember getting a flat tire and calling my mom and I was like, hey, I'm in this town. And it would be equivalent to like an hour drive.

She'd be like, how the fuck did you get over there? And I was like, well, I heard there was these really cool dirt jumps over here. And I was like trying to find them. And then I'd start bike racing. And then like I'd be like, oh, this is like a little quarter mile track or a mile track or something. I'm used to riding like miles and miles and miles a day. And then I started one day, you know, it came time to like doing school sports and I signed up for track. And I started running and it was like I started running 90 to 100 miles a week, like every single day.

I was like running, running and running and running. And I loved it. And it was like the greatest feeling in the world. And I remember going to like my first big championship, and I had hurt myself a few weeks before, and I had broken my ankle. I was actually running, and I stepped on like this apple kind of thing that fell off this tree. It was like this green weird thing.

And I rolled my ankle and broke it because I really put some pressure on it. I was moving fast. And I got a cast on my leg. And like five weeks – you're supposed to wear the cast for six weeks. It was like five weeks later was the state championships. And I went to watch, and I got myself a number and went to the port-a-potty and hacksawed my

cast off. You had a hacksaw on your person? No, I went to the thing, I went to the competition knowing I was going to hacksaw it off, it was in my backpack and my coach, Pat Thomas at the time, he actually, he goes to the bathroom and he sees this cast, like, just shredded everywhere,

because you could see all my signatures on it from everybody on the track team. And he's like, oh, my God. So he goes to the starting line, and I'm, like, in my full gear, and I'm, like, ready to go. And they hit the gun, and I see him on the sides just looking at me like, you motherfucker. And I got fifth.

Like, fifth, like, at the state championships, there's hundreds of runners there, you know? Wait, what was the race you were running? It was a cross-country race, actually. This particular one was 3.1 miles, 5K. Yeah, yeah. And I was just hammering away on, like, this fucked up leg. When it was over, I was completely, just utterly just crushed. Like, it was such a bad idea.

It actually, like, ruined my life, like, slightly. I wound up getting ankle surgery and, like, all these different things. But, um, I realized at that time that I could endure a lot of pain and I was willing to do anything to win shit. It was a great time, actually. That story gets told

at the first track practice every single day at my high school every year since then. Now he's the principal of the school and he trains the track team still. He's like, I want to tell you guys a story about dedication. And he tells my story every single year. We don't want you doing this.

No. But back to, like, my family life and then that and then the Sisu Way podcast. Like, there was things that had happened throughout my life that it took me until I was, you know'm 30 you're the black sheep of your family yeah you don't fit in yeah and i didn't and i knew i didn't fit in for a very very long time yeah and but i didn't like nobody else in your family was like hacksawing casts off to go do 100 mile bike rides and running 100 mile and i always requested like driven don't go to my competitions. I don't want anyone there. I was always, like, by myself. My mom used to sneak to some of my competitions and, like,

and watch, like, in the nosebleeds because she didn't want me to know that I knew she was there. Because I didn't want to put the pressure on myself to, like, if I had gotten, like, second in something and she saw it, it would, like, break my heart. So, like, I was, like was like really really competitive with everything and i had this podcast with scott mcgee uh called the sisu way like this year and i was telling these guys about it last night and basically he asked about like my my upbringing and my

when you when you talk about your upbringing when you because you've told me this before of how like you i mean you just said it like you had a bunch of stepdads in the house. What is that like on your mentality? Like, do you realize, like, something's not normal? Like, why are there multiple dads in my life? I knew there was step, like, I knew the stepdad. Like, I didn't, like, have to, like, accept that that was my dad type of thing. I just was like, oh, whatever.

This guy's cool or whatever. I'm used to just having stepdads because my real dad's never around. But you didn't know your real dad. I knew who he was. Not my actual real dad. That wasn't until I was 18. But I thought this other guy was my dad. I was told that was my dad because that's who my

mom was with at the time and basically in her defense i think that she wanted me to think that was my dad so she thought she was going to be with him yeah and my even my name was changed uh at birth to make sure that that was it so fisher's actually not my real last name and then um that you know didn't work out but i remember because one of my brothers had the same last name as me and i remember he would go and hang out with the grandparents and stuff and i would never go and then also just like the way that my brain was like the way that i wanted to do things like everything was so much different than everybody in my family and it drove me fucking crazy. Like, inside, I knew that there was something off,

and then I found out when I was 18 that my dad was somebody else, and then I didn't actually meet who he was until I was 24. How did you find out when you were 18? What was the story there? I was getting my hair cut from my sister. My sister owns a hair salon in New Jersey, and I would always ask her, like, am I going to lose my hair?

Am I going to lose my hair? And she's like, your hair... Because, like, I gonna lose my hair am I gonna lose my hair and she's like your hair because like I don't know when you're younger like you see guys like start to get receding hairlines and stuff and you're like get all like self-conscious about it so my mom my sister is like your dad has so much fucking hair in his head you're out of your mind whatever I'm like no he doesn't and she's like uh I can't do this anymore she's like I don't know why mom hasn't told you basically but like that's not your dad and i remember just being like i was telling them last night it was like butterfly effect of just like all these memories like just like

blasting through my head and i was like oh my god you know and then like i needed to figure it out and the crazy thing was was i found out who he was and what he did in his path to get to where he is right now. He's a super successful business owner. And we had the exact same life growing up. Like when you have all these brothers and sisters. Like I grew up with five brothers and sisters in the same house. And I have some other sisters on my dad's side. But like when you grow up, like nothing like any of them.

And you find out your dad is exactly like you are. It's a crazy, crazy feeling. Do you feel like you're... it's a crazy, crazy feeling. Whoo. Do you feel like you're... I get emotional a little bit. So, yeah. When you find out your dad is very similar to you, does everything start to kind of like make sense a little bit?

You're like, I know why you have those feelings. Yeah. You remember like Nintendo, you're playing like Excitebike and you hit that little like arrow and it's like, when you go a little faster, Excite bike made it into, wow.

I felt a little boost and I was like, all right, cool. So, um, like it's okay for you to be this weird driven freak athlete kid. That's like on your own bike. Like,

Oh, it's all right. I'm, I'm, I'm not this normal person in my family yeah and then it just kind of i got a little bit more fire in there i guess and then i started to realize like why i was doing certain things and then i kind of just shut it off for a while and then went on scott mcgee's podcast and he was asking me all these other

questions about like why i was so driven and this and that and you think it was because you're chasing like the success of your father that you don't really talk to and all these things. And I was like answering them all well. And then like a week later I was like in the gym working out. I was like crying and I was like, fuck, I don't know if I answered it right.

And like, I don't know the answer to these questions. And like, I was like freaking out. Was there like a confrontation or a meeting with your mother where you were like, let's actually talk about this right now. Like I didn't talk about it to the point where like,

I got enough information where like I needed it until like just a couple of weeks ago. Whoa. I'm 32. Fuck. But there's like a, what about, what about talking to your dad though?

Like when you found out who your real father was, I met him when I was 24 and he's just like me. It's crazy. Well, he reached out to you when you were at the Olympic Training Center. Yep. So I was training for the Olympics. I did skeleton for four years, bobsled for one.

I should have went on the Olympic team. What's that? That's where the butt comes in, the bobsled. The what? Oh, the butt? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Have you seen bobsled?

Okay. You're only as cool as your butt in bobsled. I went and watched a bobsled thing in Park City where he was at. They just wear super tight pants. And they, like – But it's all about sprinting. They Instagram model it kind of. But that's why sprinters, like, sometimes have second careers in, like,

skeleton bobsled because of those push-offs. You were the only bobsled skeleton person I've ever met in my life. And then I went and watched the bobsled at the training center, and I, like, hiked all the way to the top, and I got to the top, and, like, all of them were up there. I was like, oh, there's, like, 75 fishers up here. Yeah. They all look like you.

Yeah. It's like they're self-selecting this you. But go ahead. But I think what's cool about the story is, like, I don't need to go too in-depth to make people cry out there, but, like, I could easily do that. But, like, I think what's really about the story is, like, I don't need to go too in-depth to make people cry out there. But, like, I could easily do that. But, like, I think what's really important is no matter, like, what situation that you're in, you can create whatever you want it to be if you just, like, really, really keep focusing on it. But, like, really focusing on, like, what you love to do.

And I think what you really love to do is, like, is definitely inside of you for sure. There's that quote for you. Like, I think everybody knows what they want to do, and there's a level on 1 to 10 of how scared they are to do it, and there's a level of 1 to 10 on how scared they are to let other people down. You think people know what they want to do? I think they do. Or if it's inside them, but they don't necessarily,

they haven't articulated it yet. So it's there. They just haven't figured out a way to. I don't think people have a clue what they want to do. Really? I think people do. I think people have no idea what they want to do. Well, even when I was sleeping on couches and I knew you

and I had nothing, like, I didn't know that what I have right now was what I wanted to do. And I love what I do right now. I can't imagine doing anything else. But I didn't know, know like exactly what it was. I just knew like, I knew that it was coming. And I knew that like, I don't know.

I knew something about it. And I feel like they kind of know what it is. And you shouldn't be asking people about it. You should just be living as like as strong as you can and the best you can. I don't care if you're fucking frying the fries at mcdonald's be the fucking best fryer in the whole that's the best thing my mom ever taught me was that no matter what you do you are the fucking best person at it ever and if you meet someone who's better than you at it now you have another standard and you're better than that person see that's why i don't think people have

a clue what they want to do because they have been told what to do and they've done what they've been told to do for so long that they've lost the switch inside them to be able to actually think for themselves of oh wow this is fun so they chase these simple little pleasures versus the long-term one which is 32 years long of fuck why am i so different why do i feel this in innate desire and thing to go be great at something. And, like, if you were to ask, not that my story is like your story, but if you were to ask anybody that knew me when I was growing up, I was the kid that was outside playing street.

Like, I tried to organize a street hockey league when I was, like, eight years old because I wanted to know if the game that I was playing in my court was the best game in town. So I would go to all of the neighborhoods and find out, do you guys play street hockey? Okay, well, I play street hockey too. And I want to know if I can kick your ass. Let's play street hockey together. I tried to organize a league at eight years old to figure out if I could play street hockey better than everyone in my town. And I don't think people do that like one

when you're little but two they lose the ability to even think about doing that like there's not like a there's no system in place for oh you really like this i think just because a lot of people aren't living their their dream and trying to do what they truly want to do doesn't mean they don't know it it means like going back to what you said, there's a lot of fear. There's terror in contemplating doing what you most want to do in life and not being able to, or not being able to live up to it or failing or whatever. So most people are more comfortable with a sort of mediocre. I'm not really happy, but things are fine. I can kind of, I can kind of keep doing this for a while rather than taking the leap and trying to be the best at whatever it is they're passionate about. I think people often they'll settle for something that isn't important to them

because they don't think what actually is really important to them is possible. When I think about motivation I think it's it's how important it is to you on a scale of one to ten versus how possible you think that thing is on a scale of one to ten. You take those numbers and you times them together if you got a 10 on both your motivation is 100 if you got fives on both your motivation is 25 so people look at it and they say well this thing that i want is really awesome but if there's only like a three on like how possible you think it is for you to do that then you'll go do something else because you feel like you're wasting your time you seem like a super motivated person from for always but do you think when you met and found out who your real dad was it lessened some of that fear of being the best at something because

it suddenly made sense why you were the way you were um i don't ah fuck. So, like, I think when I met him, it just, like... It gave me some, like, reassurance that I wasn't weird. Fuck. Someone else talked to us for, like, a second. You want me to rub your abs a little bit? Bring things up a little bit? It helped a lot. It gave me some reassurance for sure.

And then it definitely helped me not feel as weird. But I still wasn't fully whole, you know? And then my family life just felt even a little bit more weird. And then I latched on to different sports even more. Yeah. So everything that I did, I did, like, the best I could. Yeah. So then from there, I found this thing called CrossFit that I loved a lot.

Actually, well, the Olympic stuff was what I really, really loved, and then I wound up making the Olympic team, and then I tore my hamstring the year of the Olympics. So I didn't get to go to the Olympics. And then I get into CrossFit. And it's like this thing I love a lot. And I get there. And I get fourth instead of third.

And don't get to go to the CrossFit Games. And the next year, I'm like, all right, I'm going to be the best motherfucker in the world. And I was definitely one of those people who should have been on the podium, I think, that year. And I was going to win regionals, and they took it away from me and said, you know, you remember the video of me saying I was going to murder the judge? So, like, I mean, murder is a strong word, but kill. About as strong as it gets, yeah. So I'm doing the deadlifts and stuff, and they're like,

yeah, this isn't right, blah, blah, blah. Bunch of shit happens, 100,000 views on YouTube. And then that goes away, and then everyone's like, man, like, you're out, you know? Like, I had every single hit that could ever happen to a human being happen to me. I, like, lost everything. I didn't get to accomplish any of my dreams, like the Olympics or the CrossFit Games. And then I happened to open a gym that wound up being, like, one of the best gyms in the world. And now I make programs for, like, one of the best gyms in the world and now I make programs for like 20 of the gyms in the world and like everyone who ever told

me to go fuck myself is getting fucked by me so like yeah feels pretty good it does feel good and I feel like there is a motivation I'm not crying anymore that's good so like there is like real men cry there can always be like some fucking gold at the end of the rainbow, you know what I mean, if you really want it to be. I just feel like there is like an inner fire that everyone just needs to fucking just keep staring at and not look at the other ends of the tunnel vision. Like you should just be staring at the goal and everything else is just whatever. I know it's so much easier said than done.

I think part of that thing is like you, now that you have had this level of success, you're not homeless anymore. You live the same life that you did virtually while you were homeless. Yeah, I have the same car. It's easier to eat. You're not stealing food. Yeah. The bank account looks way cool,

but none of that stuff is why you get up and do what you do in the morning. Which I think is cool. I'm not trying to make myself sound cooler, but I think that it's cool when, like, someone gets to where they want to be and you find out who they are at that point. Like, did you buy a Lambo? Did you, like – This is exactly, like, kind of what I was getting at.

So the lottery the other day, like two weeks ago or whatever it was, was like a billion dollars and we're sitting on the couch we bought her like two tickets like we're gonna be billionaires it's possible my wife's like where should we buy houses and i was like one near a coffee shop with wi-fi because i gotta go to work tomorrow she was like you're going to work and i was like i don't know what else to do like I think that the coolest thing about our job is I get to talk to you guys I only hang out with people that do exactly what they want to do you know how weird that is if you go to corporate America you hang out with hundreds of people that don't want to be there. Imagine if that washed over you for 365 days a year for 10 years. All you do is re tap the nail of I don't want to do anything I'm doing.

And everyone around you says, I don't want to do what I'm doing. And then that goes as high up the chain as possible. Maybe the CEO that invented this thing actually wants to be doing the thing. But I only hang out with people that want to be exactly where they're at, doing exactly what they're doing with the people that they want to be doing it with. And their vibe when we're around, it's not like, oh, man, fucking today. I don't have good days. I don't have bad days.

I have every day of my life, and it's fucking radical oh man fucking today i don't have good days i don't have bad days i have every day of my life and it's fucking radical they're incredibly hard it's super challenging to be like this but there's no bad days i might take a little hit something might not go perfect but i'm surrounded by every single person that knows how hard it is to wake up every day and just be in a group of people and have conversations about how rad life is it's really hard no matter who you are whether you hate your job you love your job you love fitness you hate fitness it doesn't matter but we're around people that love their life all the time that's really really strange what's most important to me though personally and when i look back on it is like I don't, I wouldn't have wanted

fucking anything to change. I love how hard my journey was. I love every obstacle that I did because everything that I have now is fucking a thousand times in my mind. Ryan's story leads me to an existential question that I wanted to ask you guys. And thank you for sharing

that again with me because it's an incredible story. It seems like people who find a lot of success, oftentimes, or maybe it's just the stories you hear because they're more compelling stories, it's people who really had to overcome something fucked up or someone has something dark in their life or something difficult in their life.

And we're in a environment, we're in a time in history right now where life is easiest in general for the largest amount of people that it has ever been. But because of that, people can do these jobs that they kind of, you're kind of half-assing your way through life. You can kind of be like mildly okay, not really doing what you love, kind of depressed, but you're kind of getting through it for your entire life. Can you find the heights of success without having that darkness or those obstacles? Can you be a well-rounded, kind of sorted out person?

You have to be your own fan. You have to buy your own shit so hard. I'm just saying if you don't have to overcome something intense. You don't appreciate it as much. Exactly. That's what matters. If you were to ask me about my story i went to private school i went to regular college i have an mba all these things but i

fucking love doing this thing i have had to over nothing like him but doesn't mean i don't wake up in the like you don't have to come from a terrible place but you have to be driven to be the like really good at something. But those people, like Ace Ventura, when Jim Carrey wrote himself a $10 million check when he moved to L.A. and he was homeless, he lived in his dad's car, and the only way he could be funny and get his dad's attention was to be funny. That whole story plays out over and over and over again i think your story and everyone else that struggles like that is because when somebody wakes up and is like fisher

your program fucking sucks okay i didn't know my dad for 24 years so cool great adversity doesn't bother him the way it bothered you were homeless adversity doesn't bother him he didn't know where he was going he was stealing food from whole foods like it's not a big deal whatever i suppose it's all about the stories you hear too because there are lots of people i'm sure throughout history that faced immense adversity and did not rise to the occasion and were crushed by it and some weren't and there are some people who had beautiful amazing somehow well-rounded not fucked up lives that have no scars that were super successful i I'm sure that exists. You're awesome. You think you're awesome, don't you?

We don't know. I mean, maybe we'll get into my story one day. Like, we all have scars. We all have whatever. But I guess I just, and I think about, like, because I'm a reader and I love to read and I read a lot of books and, like, you hear over and over again that successful authors, that they all have this weird fucking darkness and they're all alcoholics and they're all, you know, it's not, like, not like just super happy like sorted out people

who decide to write about darkness for 50,000 words obsessively in two months and then they're like best selling authors anyway I just feel like I but nobody is nobody is just doesn't and whether people are doing it while they're homeless or they're just genuinely

committed to their craft they're putting the work in for 20 years to be good at lifting weights, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, just like American Idol. Like the overnight success. Those people are professional singers. They're just backup singers. What makes someone have a story like yours and end up where you are versus end up continually homeless and maybe drug addicted

and have no community and no friends, and it goes the other way. What's the difference? I mean, my brother, I mean, I have brothers that are kind of like that. You know, like they just went to a different direction completely. I, fuck, I don't really know. It's crazy, like, seeing what my brothers did growing up, you feel like it would be easier for me to have gone that route it is and everyone in that world will accept you yeah that's why it everyone falls

back to it because they'll accept you i wanted to not do this and go hang out with my friends that are still in the bar they're there they'll take you you can belly up come hang out we'll drink every night. I think there is something that you see when you're little or something that you hear when you're little that sparks a fire inside of you. I was always a huge fan of this movie called Prefontaine and Without Limits, those running movies.

And I remember watching those, and I remember cool runnings. I don't know. I always loved watching some of these those, and I remember, like, cool runnings. And, like, I don't know. I always, like, loved watching some of these movies, and I think it made a huge difference for me. Like, when I have kids, like, I'm going to be very, very fucking careful about what I say. Because when you're younger, it means everything. You know what I mean?

Like, I'll never forget my coach telling me not to drink soda because he said that my whole practice was going to be gone. And I'll never forget meeting someone that looked more like a magazine cover than anyone i'd ever met in my life and i asked that guy like what's the best thing you could ever tell me is i was in 24-hour fitness going to school in hawaii and he was like every single thing that goes in your body better have a purpose like if you want to eat a fucking cupcake why are you eating that cupcake like if you want to eat this like why like it should have every single thing that you put in your mouth should have a purpose.

And ever since then, I never forgot that. Like there's different things that you just never, ever forget. Everyone in this little circle right now has something that someone told them a long time ago. And you're just like, yep. And you just never forget it. Even if it's not true. Mine, this is like spot on to what you're saying. I remember hearing that life is hard if you live the easy way and easy if you live it the hard way.

And I was like, I feel like that makes a lot of fucking sense. You've got to work hard and then your life will be easier, which is paradoxical in a way. It's like if you're working hard, that sounds hard, but then your life is easier. When did you hear that? That was probably high school, late high school. I want to say I was a junior or senior when I heard that. That's a good time to hear that one. Perfect timing.

I don't think I would have accepted it the same way if I heard it earlier than that. It shows up exactly what it's supposed to. But now, I feel like if you're 26 and younger right now, you are the most entitled human on earth, and you literally...

I can't tell you how many people that work with me or shoot videos of me working out or like whatever. And they're like, oh, fuck, dude. Like I want to be making like so much money a year or like whatever. I should be doing this or like my friend's driving a Lambo and does YouTube videos or whatever. And I'm like, it doesn't matter. Just like find your route.

Like everybody you talk to who is at the destination tells you that the road to get there is way better i know you're never ever gonna understand that but like i still drive a toyota tacoma like i don't care about the lambo but that's yeah but i think that's like that is the thing that's so rad like when in the last nine years of hanging out is like i feel like the more things that we do and like man i that's one of the things i feel super grateful and kind of like going back to what you're talking about i was like i want to get to hang out with all these people that like genuinely want to be in this conversation with me like we made it like we kind of did it. Like, I was 13 when I found a barbell. I'm talking to tens of thousands of people right now about the thing that I did when I was 13

because I was somehow lucky enough to realize that if I stripped away all the bullshit and all the things that people will tell me that will make me successful and just did the thing that I really love doing, which is picking up weight and learning about it. I, I'm going to get there. So stop fucking listening to people and just go do the thing you like to do because maybe in three years, maybe you're like good

enough to be good at, like maybe you have some genetic advantage to go do bobsled. Like you didn't know that existed. It just was part of the journey like maybe it's lifting weights but like man if you wherever your friends are at just try and be good at it like i when i was 22 years old i was really good at drinking and what was the other thing i was good at well my friends would always call me and ask what fitness program to do and my buddy and i brian were the only people they called. The internet was not really happening. Him and I were the only ones that were able to provide fitness information to our friends and they trusted us. I didn't know that I was going to

have a client that I was going to do the same thing to. It was just me and my group of friends. And they saw us as the best advice in training. Well, the same shit 15 years later is happening to tens of thousands of people right now. And it hasn't changed. I just do the same thing that I did when I was 13. I want to learn about this stuff. And when I was 22, all my friends saw me as the expert. And then when I'm 35,

strength and conditioning is now changing and reshaping because of the things we talk about on this show. We did it. We made it. It's wild. And we just get started. Like, I don't know where it goes. I don't know how big it can get. I don't know all of that. But if I just keep doing this thing and trying to be the best person I can be, the greatest strength and conditioning person I can be, you be the best programmer.

Talking about fun and creating gym cultures. Like, we all have our thing, and we made it. Like, we actually created a life out of the same shit we were doing when we were 13 years old. Nobody talks about that. It's fucking real. Like, people, if you just do the thing, you'll figure out a way to make $10. And then you can make $20 one day. And one day you're going to have thousands

of people following your program because you just stay true to that thing that like all your friends are in the gym I just want to be there well everyone's going to want to be around me because I'm having more fun than anyone like I when I opened the gym the one of the main reasons I opened the gym was because it was like, I know that I'm the most fun person to train with. Why wouldn't 300 people show up to want to train with me? And that's what I wanted to add to this. You can keep going, but I just want to let people know out there who are trying to find their journey is that competition doesn't matter.

Yeah. Because anyone that met Anders Varner when he was at fucking CrossFit PB, the first gym ever, you were on fire, dude. It like every time you coached i was like yes like i didn't matter who coached what class anywhere like i still would have been part of that vibe and i just thought it was thank you i just thought it was the coolest thing ever so like i think that if you're worried about so-and-so does this or so-and-so does that everyone has their own way of twisting it. It's like we were talking about with nutrition and fitness earlier.

Like, it's all the same shit. You put names on it or you put your own name on it and it still works. There's space for you if you figure out what you're really about. Because you might be the coolest person you know to train with of everyone. Rad. Why? Go figure that out. Like's it's so simple but people are so scared because there's going to be a two-year gap where you're going to eat shit you are going to eat shit and

it's going to suck but man if you could wake up every morning on three hours of sleep and hustle and realize this is where i want to be because this is where all my friends are. People seem to like me here. I'm influencing their lives. Holy shit. Someone just paid me because I'm the most fun person to be around. I'm more excited about this than everyone else. And now I have a gym that I can sell six years later and actually create a life out of this.

Tens of thousands of people are listening to this right now and they're sitting in their car on the way to work and they maybe they know what they like but they're terrified to go do it it's just fucking go be in the place you like to be who cares if you eat shit you have all the money in the world right now more money than money's just man if once you have it what do do? The same shit you did when you were homeless. Even more streamlined probably because you were scrambling to find food. Now you don't have to worry about that. It's easier.

It's easier now. Like it's just a little bit more streamlined. Like it's just the same thing that you were doing when you were 13 riding your bike. I just want to go find the new thing, new challenge. Let's go. Dude, I took one of my coaches to Lululemon the other day because I was like,

oh, let's go check. Oh, I had to bring something back or whatever. And I just told him, I was like, just fucking go buy whatever you want.

Get whatever the fuck you want. And he's like, you don't want anything? And I was like, no. It'll make me way happier to see you buy something than for me to buy anything. Hey, Ryan,

you want to go to Lululemon after this? I know, right? But he's a young kid, you know, and it made me so happy to watch him grab stuff and not have to worry about how much it costs,

and he was freaking the fuck out. For the best day of his life. He loved it, and it was the greatest feeling for me. I thought it was awesome. But yeah, I guess you get... You know, when you're younger and you see people who are older

and they have weird, quirky things about them, or they wear the same shoes, you're like and you see people who are older and, like, they have, like, weird quirky things about them or, like, they wear the same shoes. You're like, dude, you have money. Like, why are you still driving an Oldsmobile? Or, like, do this or do that. And it's like, well, that's not really what gets my rocks off. Wasn't there some study that's like there's, like,

this baseline amount of money you need to, like, live and be happy and be comfortable and then after that it's, like, totally diminishing returns? 75 grand a year. Yeah. I mean, which I'm sure – 75? Someone told me. I heard it was, like, 150. returns. $75,000 a year. Yeah. $75,000? I heard it was like $150,000. I think it varies also depending on where you live.

Our original was $75,000, and then it bumped over six figures. Yeah, yeah. But, I mean, bottom line, it's not $10 million a year. There's a reasonable amount of money you can make that makes you comfortable and you don't have to stress out, and then you can enjoy your life. $101,000 a year or $106,000 a year in San Francisco is considered poverty. Yeah, it's like minimum wage. What?

If you made that like Nebraska, you'd be like living like in George Washington's face in Mount Rushmore. What is the future of you keep this thing going for as long as you keep this thing going? Like with Chalk and the online stuff, what are you kind of like setting your sights on and aiming this, the Ryan Fisher of the future? Do you have any idea of like some big projects that you see in your future that you're really excited about? Well, I'm still trying to work with these Costco guys.

Two years later. So if you want to know how long it takes to'm still trying to work with these Costco guys. Two years later. Yeah. So if you want to know how long it takes to do business. Yeah, there is that thing. How long it's going to take. That's not my permanent mark, though. Like, I want to, like, when you think about fitness, you think about, like, big things.

Like, you think about CrossFit. You think about, like, the more you're into fitness, you think about strength stuff and, like, how many reps equal strength, how many reps equal hypertrophy, like, volume versus low, high volume, low volume. Jen Widerstrom just said goodbye to me. I assume it was all of us, but I'll take it because I was the first person that saw her.

She's, like, she's so attractive. Okay. True story. Goodbye, my love. All right. Anyway. Last night The bar was talking to her

And I was like Are you an angel Yeah Seriously And then she put you In headlock Yeah And then she was like

Okay Your five minutes is up But I'd like to leave A permanent mark On the fitness industry In some way I don't know what it will be But

Do you ever think about People like Arnold That like Or like Ronnie Coleman Or like the people that like when they're gone, they're just like Lelaine, like Jack Lelaine. That guy had it right so many years ago. I think it would be really cool.

Do you think about people like that? We're like Greg Glassman is one of my favorite humans. Like Cena is one of my favorite humans. Why? It's like, man, they were personal trainers. Charles Poliquin's another great example. Yeah. Like, they're personal trainers.

What's stopping you from doing that? They all invented, like, cool shit, right? So Charles Poliquin, like, invented a bunch of cool stuff. So, like, that's what I want to be known for is, so, like, right now I have this high-intensity interval bodybuilding thing. So, like, everyone's getting all jazzed about high-intensity interval training, and then everyone's getting all jazzed about bodybuilding. Wait, I want to get in on this.

This sounds, like, right up my alley. I actually created this thing. So, I have some books right now, and it's called HIB, so H-I-I-B. This really sounds like something. High-intensity interval bodybuilding. I'm a B into this shit, yeah. New tribe, new tribe. I think this could be something.

You just ruined the whole first half of the thing. I was thinking of the name for a while because the name is very important, right? So I was like, I got my knee injury and I don't really compete anymore and it's mainly because of impact, right? So I can't do a lot of high rep snatches. I can't do a lot of high rep cleans. I can't really box jump. I can't fucking run.

Think about all the things that people really hate to do and they don't really want to do it. so now they can be put under my little fucking term and i just do like deadlifts and like actually i try not to do a lot of double leg stuff it's a lot of like single leg deadlifts i do lunges bench press like a lot of strength movements coupled up with cardio pieces and i get i stay i probably have the best body now that I've, like, ever had. And I'm just, I'm not, like, destroying my body. Is this a program that's available now for people? Yeah.

You can buy. Yeah, I'm going to get on that. I mean, that's what I've been doing basically for the last, like, three or four years is, like, bodybuilding workouts, like, meathead bodybuilding workouts, but, like, fast enough and with some, some like hit stuff in between to get my heart rate up. I just started like selling the books like just this, just this month. And like, depending on when you guys listen to this episode, it's,

is it, it's December. Well, I started selling them in November and like the, like I sold a few thousand bucks like right away. Like people were really, really stoked on it. So I have a little hashtag now it's called Hib and like, I talk about it in my Instagram a lot and like people get really stoked on it. Cool. So I have a little hashtag now. It's called Hib. And like I talk about it in my Instagram a lot. And like people get really stoked on it. So I would love if like that was something that people remembered for a very long time.

And like that would be really, really cool. Stuff like that. I mean, I don't know. I would like to do. You don't have to have like a thing. I want to be known forever for something. Even if it doesn't make a gazillion dollars. It's just more about like that remembrance. Yeah. You've been doing this shit for something. Even if it doesn't make a gazillion dollars, it's just more about

that remembrance. You've been doing this shit so long, it'd be very cool. I think that that's something I think about a lot. I've been doing this damn thing for 22 years now. If you were to walk up to somebody and be like, have you ever done

anything six days a week for 22 years? No. Nobody has done that yeah not this generation you have to when you have done that you have to go and you have to go do that thing and it led you to the high intensity bodybuilding which your own little your own little cult yeah i like it It's cool. And then all of my online stuff that I do is more geared towards fun and stuff like that. Like I really spend a lot of time to make fun workouts. It takes me a fucking insanely long time to make them. But even like last night we were going out

and I was like staring into space and he's like, what are you thinking about? I was like, workouts. I want people to be happy. I have this thing in my gym called sweat and we take all of like the impact well there's impact in there but like we take all the hard to learn movements out so it's like dumbbells kettlebells wall balls cardio pieces and it's just really really hard and it's gnarly and that's part of like my online program and part of what we do in my gym.

And I just called it Sweat. I thought that was the coolest name. And it is exactly what it is. And it's entertainment programming. You come in, you have a good time, and you're out. I like it. And if you're going to have fun, you're going to get in better shape. It's just the way it is. Yep.

So that's kind of the way that I like to program. I think everything right now should be fun related, in my opinion. The high-intensity interval bodybuilding stuff is super fun. I like it a lot. Do you test most of the stuff out on the people at your gym? Like do a four-week block of high-intensity interval bodybuilding just to play with it and see how it feels and then make the outline? I just throw workouts in there.

But I don't throw anything in there that I haven't personally done. Okay, so you try trial run it on yourself, and then you trial run it on people in person at Chalk, and then put it online? There's too many girls in my gym that the word bodybuilding would turn them off. Yeah. So I just throw not the muscle maven. No, no.

Damn shame. I really wish that people didn't have that general notion that bodybuilding necessarily means you're going to be jacked. Right. Bodybuilding means you're putting your tone on, like all the things that girls really want. Ashley even just rolled her eyes when you said the word tone.

Yeah, it's a terrible word because it sells. Like if you're like, you know, it's saying whatever her name is again. That's our next rant. You say tone. We went all the way back to Kayla It Signs. Full circle. I like to full circle it. Wow.

You've got to do a reach around if you can. Reverse jerk. Reverse jerk. Back to that. She does all the – Let's talk about what that looks like. She does abs. Does she?

She has to. She does one giant abs. That's what everybody's selling. Do you know who she is? Yes. Do you just want to reach out and show her your lower trap spread? I do. But what makes me sad, but I guess there's place for everybody.

It's all fine, whatever. But, like, there are a lot of women who that is exactly what they want to look like. They want to have whatever that shape is. All you have to do is not eat, though, and just be listening to this show. Exactly. Yeah. And that's the way a lot of women still go. Throw out all the things that we just stop eating.

But I think what's exciting, too, is,, is once you figure out what you want to do, you figure out what your purpose is and all that. For me personally, the three-year mark, every three years something really cool happens. And you don't know what it is. It's equally as exciting as when you're in the place where you don't know where your life is going and then you finally figure it out. Three years after that, something cool happens again that you get completely sideswiped by, whether it's maybe you get married or you have

kids or you add this other thing to your repertoire of things. Your quiver of life, if you will. And then things just keep happening and happening. But you can never really slow down. I have these times where I have these complete fucking meltdowns where I'm like, what am I

doing? I have this and this and this and this and meltdowns where I'm like, what am I doing? I have this and this and this and this and this. And I've worked for 16 hours today and I'm not even close to done. And I don't even know if I deserve to sleep tonight. You know? And you wake up the next morning and you're like, oh. And you get after it again. And, like, you're just figuring out how to put coffee in a syringe.

And then, like, you have a meltdown for one day. You're like, I'm not going to do anything. I'm going to lay here all day I'm gonna side plank on this couch for fucking 18 hours and then cause we're fitness people we don't just lay down

we side plank so Ben Bruno's making an impact oh that's where I got that reference from so yeah

you have to stay as soon as that like 24 hours of side planking is over, you wake up the next day and you're like, okay, it's back to work. And that's who makes you. That is what makes you who you are. I hate anything past that 24-hour day where you're like,

oh, I didn't do anything. I was editing videos of Pekulski's interview with us and, like, cutting them into these really cool like things and my mother-in-law came over to me and she goes are you working and I was like how dare you I don't know I really enjoy what I'm doing right now I'm learning a lot I'm gonna implement everything I just heard into my daily life. I hope I make money on it, so sure. Sounds like work to me.

But if I wasn't doing this right now, I would definitely be more unhappy. So I don't know if that's work. I feel like our older generation wants to see you come out of a coal mine. And you have a onesie on. And you're black. Black tar on you. Yeah, my generation, if you're not sort of resigned and sad and beaten down by your job, it's like, are you really working? Yeah, she totally gets it.

But she wants to. You're supposed to hate it. Yeah. She totally understands that I like it. And she's super supportive of all things. But she definitely wants to know if I'm working. And I'm like, I don't know what that is. This is just my life. Maybe it'm like, I don't know what that is. This is just my life.

Maybe it's work. I don't know. Maybe you're right. Dude, dude, we did it. You got anything else? 45 minutes later, you want to talk about anything? No, I just think it's important for everybody out there, like, on your journey to just keep the gut feeling alive.

Yeah. I think your gut is telling you what's right to do there's so many things in your life where you're like about to do something wrong and you just feel it in your gut you're like okay it's probably right and i just feel like i held out through a painful time multiple times and it's because I knew that that was just the wrong thing to do. I didn't want to go and my mom really wanted me to do like healthcare,

be a nurse or be a PA or a doctor or whatever and I really thought about going back to school. I had a biology degree anyway so I don't know. I just held out and everything fucking worked out.

You could have gone home when you were homeless. I tried and you guys were like, no, this girl Erin was like, you can sleep on my couch and I was like, nah. and everything fucking worked out. You could have gone home when you were homeless. I tried. And you guys were like, no. This girl, Erin, was like, you can sleep on my couch. And I was like, nah. I saw her at Costco the other day.

Really? How'd that go? I didn't talk to her. Oh, nice work. I'm from afar and abort mission. That's how I feel about Jen Weidstrom. I'm like, I saw her. I didn't talk to her. Blacked out.

I tried to talk to her as much as possible. Woke up in a bathroom with white shit. No, I'm just kidding. Why do I feel so good about myself when you say hello to me yeah Jim Waterstrom I love you

not really a little bit I do I do if you're listening TV crush now that I know you in real life

but yeah I think it's really important to just hold out it's like your career should be like your wife should be like your wife.

It should be like your house. You do a lot of research before you do it. When you choose it, you're stuck with it for a really long time, and it should be a really important decision for you. Put the work in. Don't give up. Right. Cliches are cliches for a reason.

Do you want to kick them to all the things? Where can they find you, bro? Ryan Fish, R-Y-A-N-F-I-S-C-H, is my Instagram. I put a lot of stuff up on there about all the things that I do the gym is CrossFit Chalk Chalk like the stuff you put on your hands to work out I put a lot of

like educational movements on there and tips and technique tips and stuff like that daily and then I have my website CrossFitChalk.com and if you go to the shop link,

you can see all my eBooks that I've been coming out with recently that I've been kind of sweeping the United States, actually like the world, I guess a little bit. The whole Hib thing is pretty cool. People get into it. Yeah, that's where all my stuff is.

And I have my own unique thing going on. So check it out. Don't check it out. I don't care. Either way, it's fine if you would like to did you say real chalk every tuesday oh real chalk podcast every tuesday podcast whole bunch of podcasters talking about talking yeah yeah yeah i felt like i was on the real doesn't two hours two hours of just talking feels a lot easier when it's like just talkers talking about

talking yeah yeah that's kind of my my favorite thing to say right now because i feel like we just talk a lot that's true i originally wanted kind of my favorite thing to say right now because I feel like we just talk a lot. That's true. I originally wanted the podcast to be called Chalk Talk, and then it was taken like seven times. There was like so many Chalk Talks, but there was no real Chalk. So I talk about real shit. Shit gets weird. It gets kind of Howard Stern-ish sometimes.

I do some really inappropriate jokes and ask people inappropriate questions. So real Chalk every Tuesday. No FCC holding you down. No. On the podcasting world. There is not. I'm going to be on one soon. That's going to be really inappropriate.

I can't wait. Who? I don't know. Anybody? I'm just going to get into it. Do you want to talk about your – never mind. Yeah, let's go. Talk about – we got to wrap.

We got to go on the Paleo Magazine podcast. Do you want to just roll this into the Paleo Magazine podcast? Do you want to take over? How have I not even mentioned my podcast this entire fucking weekend? Well, we've talked about a truck collective enough. I do actually not want to roll right into it. I want to take a couple minutes. But anyway, you can listen to my podcast.

I'm going to have all these clowns on it at various times. You can hear us all speaking again. Paleo Magazine Radio on iTunes. You can check me out doing my hashtag HibWorkouts on Instagram at TheMuscleMaven. And I have way less followers than you guys, so you can say hi to me and I'll probably answer. That was a very eloquent send-off you had there. Yeah, just bring it all in. I love that.

I'm trying. That was the best one so far. I'm glad we got that on show six. Thank you. Thank you. Douglas E. Larson. Yeah, that's right. You can follow me on Instagram at, just like Andrew said, Douglas E. Larson. I got my own site, me on Instagram at just like Andrew said Douglas E. Larson

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