Barn Burner: Boomer & Pinder with Rhett Warrener - 2024 NHL Draft Watch Party | FN Barn Burner - June 28th, 2024

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Uh, buddies. Here we are. We are live at Circa Hotel in Fremont in Old Vegas as we get set for the watch party for the first round of the NFL draft 2024. It is Stinky in the brain. Ryan Pinder from Barnburner alongside the managing head of flames nation.ca. Ryan Pike. It is a huge day pike. We're going to be joined over the next three, four hours by all kinds of pals. We've got lots of time for your comments and questions. We'll get into the Great Clips inbox in the next five to ten minutes as we are underway at the sphere where we are not. But there's a beautiful pool with some Copa America going on behind us. And I know

they did have to drain the one pool that we were in that day, but they've since refilled it and a wonderful place to be fully endorsed stadium swim here at Circo Hotel. Yeah, we've availed ourselves of the facilities. And

highly recommend it. If you have the ability to get to scenic downtown Vegas, stadium, swim and circuit in general, very nice people, very nice place. All right. Let's get to it. Our special watch party today is brought to you by our great partners of Village Honda, Betway, and McLeod Law. We're also going to get into that great clips inbox. I'll remind you to get into the comments, questions and thoughts. I imagine we'll get rolling on the draft floor pretty quickly hear from the sphere.

But until then, we've got lots of time to. react to your questions and comments regarding the draft, regarding the Flames, who are set to select at number nine and number 28, Ryan, there's some interesting speculation on the top few picks of the first round already. And yeah, it should be a ton of fun. A reminder, great clips inbox. Normally you just send us an email at great clips inbox at flamesnation.ca,

but today you can just jump into the comments as well. That probably is the easiest way to go with more than 4,400 hair salons throughout the U.S. and Canada, Great Clips is the world's largest hair salon brand. official hair salon of Ryan Pike. Just kidding, the NHL, the NHL, that's what it is the official hair salon of. Locally owned and operated seven days a week, your time is valuable. Go get that great clips check-in app. See the wait time.

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Love it. Great clips. We'll get to. that. This is not hyperbole to suggest this will be one of the biggest 24-hour stretches of Craig Conroy's managerial

careers from now through tomorrow's rounds two through seven, Pike. Yeah, and I mean, you know, he's been in with the gig for what, 14 months, 13 and a half months. Sure. And you can make a short list

and it'll be very short list of GMs that have had more to do in their first 14 months. I mean, you know, he's, he's had to basically deal with the ramifications of the House of Cards that Bradshaw Living put together to keep a contention window open. And then when the window looked like it was slamming shut, you got to deal with some falling cards. Yep. And as, you know, we saw one to get dealt with yesterday. I think probably a little bit less than 24 hours ago with Andromanchipani becoming a Washington capital, more draft picks, hitting the flames way.

And, you know, I don't think they're done. But I'm very curious what the next 24 hours looks like because there's a lot of everything that they could do. And, you know, we could be sitting here this time tomorrow saying, they just made nine graphics or we could be talking about a whole lot more. Yeah. We had this conversation, a boomer and myself yesterday as we did that emergency podcast following the mangy panning shirt.

And I believe boomer is hanging around backstage. So we can bring him in whenever he's comfy, RJ. but the thought being, you've got a high quantity of picks. Can you turn it into more high quality picks? That sounds very seriously and sportsy. Let's get to our Prairie Insider, live from a small town in Manitoba.

Boomer, how are you, buddy? This, this, how do I sound? How's my levels? Check level. How are we doing out here? So good. The Prairie update brought to you by, Barnburner Blonde,

Orchid Brewery. I mean, it's Friday. Let's get after this. Boys, toast, toast to the draft, little origin draft. No, I'm jealous. All I have is coffee. Yeah, with, there's lots of beverages about 14 floors below us, Dean. That's, that's where the beverages are hanging.

That's maybe the best one I've ever had. Maybe the best beer ever had my life. Origin brewing, Dean, our partners, the Hilton's are fifth generation family farm. And they just said, hey, look, like we're growing this barley. People seem to like it. And then they're like, shoot. We may as well make it into malt. And people like the malt and they're like, well, shoot.

Maybe we'll start brewing our own beer. People seem to like the mall. And people like, buy the beer. They seem to like it. And now we got a beer with them. I feel like we've lucked into some good pal. And you know what? I'm here all night.

I've cleared the decks. I got 23 more of these sons of bitches too. So let's get this. Pike, let's get crazy. All right. Let's get her going. Now, are you with the, is that the spear? That doesn't, uh,

It's more of a rectangle, if we're going to be honest, but it's huge. What, 147 feet? I didn't measure it, but I watched a lot of golf on it this evening. It's quite something, you know, it starts at eight, and there is a base thumping on all 55 floors of the hotel. If it faces the pool until 11 p.m. every single day. I had so many message me after our Madjapani thing last night. I was like, did you have the radio on? Like, what was with the music?

I'm like, a pinders by the pool. The whole place vibrates. looking you to. I'm not sure what to tell you. You don't set your alarm. It's just the window starts vibrating at 8 a.m. to the EDM. Yeah. So what's your setup? Tell us where you're at. You got a screen on over there?

I can't tell you that. I can't divulge. But suffice to say, I am watching it on a, there's a television screen. I have my setup here. I've got my notes, which will pale in comparison to Mr. Ryan Pike and everybody else. but we will get through this son of a gun. What's happening on the old broadcast? Before number one. Yeah.

Teage at nine or no, around the horn. Please, please hockey guts. You're saying yes? I'd love to see it. I think it's possible, but I also just think this is one of those things where

we build it up to be so huge and then we're reminded that it is the Calgary flames and it's been two years where nothing nice seems to have happened to them. Yeah. Are they due or are they cursed? I don't know. Pike. guess there's two things right is he there for them at nine and do they take him so if he's there they take him that's yeah if he's there if he's there is he's wearing a flames jersey i base the

we've seen a lot of different permutations and combinations of possible picks there's some rumors kicking around of how the first three or five could go uh all i know is every player that's outside the consensus group that goes before nine makes it more and more likely that tijigan was there at nine yeah well and let's start right there i know we we've frank sara valley had a prediction of the top three and he said, look, this is the time of year where people are going to try to hoodwink you and subterfuge is a word he used. Other words, I don't know what they mean, but I think it has something to do with espionage. It means, you know what? Malarkey. Malarkey. It's a bit of malarkey. Yeah. Throwing people off the scent, things like that.

But his prediction is that at one, of course, Celebrini goes to San Jose, two, Leves Shunov to Chicago, which is interesting, defenseman, not the winger. Good beer. Really good beer. That's our first overall pick. And then at three, he's got the huge stunner that it's not breaking news but if frank's reporting it it's definitely not just wild speculation becket seneke who has been a really really late rising guy who i believe grew four inches this year and has been shooting up draft boards all season he has the ducks hypothetically taking them at three and as pike said the more non-consensus guys you see jump into the top five the more likely it is a guy that like tige can slide to nine yeah and seneke he's one of those

guys where, you know, I didn't have him in my consensus top dozen, but it also means like Anaheim's list is the only one that really matters at three. And this is the kind of year. I, you know, I had a conversation with Craig Conroy about the 2012 draft, which is one of the first drafts he worked really intensely on. Yeah. And 2012 was one of those drafts where they had a clear one. And then after one, it was just pure, unabashed chaos with pretty much every team having a different two through 20. And that's, kind of what this one feels like. It feels like, you know, everyone's going to have the same top one, maybe two, and then just utter chaos. And if you're the flames, chaos might be your

best friend right now. Yeah. So if we do see Seneca in the top three, that's good news for the cavalry flames, unless they really wanted Beckett Seneca at number nine. But it does mean that some of the consensus guys that you thought would be top eight guys might suddenly become a number nine. And with Anaheim, I've always sort of felt they were a wild card. Patverbeek's got a nice stable of prospects already. And on top of that, that really flush decor of prospects they have, they could have complemented with the 6'7 defense first, Salive, who skates really well, but maybe it's the winger.

So I guess we got our first pick in, no surprise. It's Macklin's Celebrating to the Sharks. Yeah, there he is. They brought in big, Joe Thornton's still hairy, hey? After all these years, he's still going with the beard. Yeah. Brought up big Jumbo Joe to make the pick. So what do we know about obviously?

It's one of those drafts where you're so focused on everybody two and two south. What's the what's the calling card for Celebrini there, Pike? He's good. I mean, he played as a teenager in hockey east. Breaking news, guys. He's good. He's good. But yeah, this is the idea like, you know, playing in that conference against grown ass men is tough.

And playing a regular shift at BU at any age is tough. It's a very good program, you know, for good reason. Never mind dominating, right? Yeah. And yeah, he went, he went into one of the tougher places for a teenage boy to play or play all but professional hockey against grown ass men. And he didn't just, you know, survive. He thrived.

And, you know, there's a handful of guys in this class sort of in that mold guys who, you know, were true freshmen thrown into the deep end of college hockey and said, and, you know, basically told, let's see what you can do. I'd say arguably more than probably most guys in the last quarter century. Sellebrini just went in and just took the bowl by the horns for the whole season. The comp we've heard a lot is Jonathan Taves, not that he's the exact same player, but he's just that incredibly well-rounded player with no weaknesses that can give you offense. He's not necessarily a guy that's going to win Art Ross's,

but he's a guy that you could just count on to be around a point per game, all situations, a very, very complete hockey player is kind of the word. Dino, and he is really young to be doing what is doing. Vancouver Kid, grew up playing in the San Jose area. his old man works for the Warriors in, I guess, sports science. Is that correct, Pike? Yeah, I think he's like their strength coach or something to that extent. Yeah.

So, interesting guy, but he's been around pro sports before. Sharks are happy. Last year, they obviously get Will Smith. Now this, those are two elite centers to build around for the next decade and a half in theory. And correct me, I'm wrong. The sharks have another pick in the top 15th. They got 11. They moved up.

They had 14, I believe, the Pittsburgh pick from the Carlson deal. and then they swapped with Buffalo moving up three spots on the board. So there you have it on the left, you know, our draft board that cuts Pike and I in half, but there you go, and celebrating goes at one. I look good, though. You get all of me.

That's all that really matters, you know what I mean? It really is. Yeah. That's all the matters. So, that, everything according to script now. So far. So far.

We've been talking about this for months. Yeah. Let's get her going. Don't disappoint us. Let's have some real action. Guys in the teens going in the top five. Let's really get after this now. So is it Demadov?

Is that? No. This is, the expectation is Leves Shunov. I would love to see it. Demadov, but the sports books, the number keeps getting shorter and shorter on Lef Shunov here. It's highly expected that they go defense here, which is interesting because I don't think you can argue he's the best player, but he's certainly very ready and well-rounded.

And D versus Winger is an interesting decision for the Hawks here. Yeah. And Kedu, again, Kather, went into Michigan State and played very, very well in a, in a tough environment. So, you know, it's, it's one of the things where, I mean, looking at the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the consensus list, Lefshinov is a three. Demetov is a two, but the gap between them isn't that big. And most of the play, most of the books that had, you know, Demadov at three had Leveshonoff at two and vice versa. Like, there's not a lot of separation between them in the minds of the scouts. And again, uh, the consensus.

rankings are that, but the one list that matters is the team at the podium. Chicago, everyone seems to believe, as you talk to people in Vegas over the last three days, that they're going to eat here. In fact, Mark Lazarus, who writes for the athletic and covers the Hawks very well, essentially said, they're taking Lev Shunov, but here are the reasons I wish they would take Demidaw. That's kind of the storyline in Chicago, boom. Yeah, no, I did see that, and it's, I mean, you watch, in Chicago, you watched Patrick Kane and and Jonathan Tays, but more specifically, you watch Patrick Kane and the breadman. Could you be doing that again here with with Demadov and pair him up with Badr?

I don't know. It feels like the, if you want to go for the upper decker, go for Demadov here, right? I agree. The all world talent. It would be the exciting pick because then if you're looking at Anaheim or I don't want to go into Columbus, you know what I mean? I just think it would be awesome to find two real, high octane high end offensive players that young.

And it's just fun because you look at these teams that you consider good enough to theoretically be a dynasty. And it always feels like there's just a tandem. There's a pair of forwards. They're running mates. You said it, you know, Kane and Taves. We've seen Crosby and Malcon, albeit not on the same line all the time, you know, dry side all McDavid, the same thing.

Like it's just, it feels like if you get a chance to get these two dynamic pals like the bunk beds, best friends, win for a. decade this is their shot but uh you know what like d d's important too it's not nearly as sexy ryan but you can need d yeah but i mean you know if you're chicago like i like son chicago is done like they got corchinski who was a really good pickup uh they have a lot of guys who are gonna fill roles classic a really nice development this year for them came out of nowhere kind of yeah but they they still have a lot of gaps in their system and like you know they've they were deficit spending to keep their contention window open.

This is probably going to sound like music to a lot of flames ears. And it's a song that we've been hearing around here. But, you know, definite spending to keep your contention window open. And all of a sudden, when that window slam shut, you look around and you don't really have a lot in the system. And it takes a while to recover. And, you know, if you're Chicago, I still think they have a long way to go, even if they do. They could get the best possible player. They could have gotten Macklin-Sellibrini at two.

And they still would have the gigantic gaps in their system. Right. Yeah. It's just needs everywhere. So we'll see the expectations. Lev Shunov boom, but I'd love to see them go Demadov. It would be kind of fun.

Like Batman and Robin, right? I would love it. And I would also love it because then Lazarus looks like, it looks like a jerk. It's like, hey, listen, I'd love it to be somebody other than Lev Shunov. So, and we'll watch it here. The pick is about to come down. Why is Lev Shunov ahead of the pack?

Because there's so many high N.D here at this draft. Why is Lev Shunov, at least in the eyes of Chicago, I guess, the guy at the top of that heat? My suggestion is that he's the most well, rounded and complete. The other guys have elements to them, but they're not as well rounded. Like when you talk about Perik, it's very offensive first guy that it's going to

have to learn the other side of the puck. Salio's the exact opposite. I don't know that how you compare and contrast Z. Buoyam, but they both played NCAA hockey. And the other thing with Livchinov is he's played in three different leagues the last three years and he's come over from Belarus. Like, this

human has to be very, very good at everything to make this work. Yeah. Like, if you're, if you're someone in a scouting department you're trying to poke holes in lef's game and you know his his whole demeanor it's like okay well can he do it against men yeah he did it against men can he oh but can he deal with changing circumstances look at his the last five years of his life and ask me if he can do with chasing circumstances and so like just the adaptability and the maturity in his game i think is what a lot of teams like about him are they picking connor badard again what are we seeing here no it is left shunoff at number two they were right the belarus

6-2-205 playing at Michigan State. Yeah. And do you think he can step right in? I mean, he has played against men. It is a growing Chicago team. There's no pressing need in terms of an extra year. I mean, you had a hell of a year as a freshman. A lot of players could step in and play in Chicago that might not have been able to step in elsewhere. I don't know if it's the right move, but I think he's the kind of guy that you bring into your summer camp and, you know, get a good look at him.

and how I think that's, if I'm Chicago, that's the thing that I look at is as a big benchmark. Because if you have some of those guys who were in Rockford last year and you bring in Levshanov, and if he's at least, you know, close to as good as the guys you have in the HAL, screw it. You might as well sign him bring him in because he's going to, there's developmental reps this year are going to be huge for him.

The other thing, boom, we've seen change in the last 10 years. It used to be that huge fear about burning year one, but the entry level. But guys are getting paid right at an entry level now anyway. And so if you're going to sign a guy to a second contract when he's a year younger, it might not be as expensive, if you know what I mean. Rather than like delay it, you get it out of the way and you might be putting him on a second contract before they really start to peak.

Teams aren't worried with that as much anymore. I don't know if you sort of feel the same way. And for them, it's not as though they're in a, you know, cresting towards being a team where they're going to have contracts. We're going to have high priced guys. Maybe by next week they will if they go to market and sign a bunch of guys. But yeah, I don't think at this point there's any real concern about just let him cook or he's good enough to play for us. But we best we'd like to maybe save this year.

I just don't I don't see Chicago in that spot. Yeah. And the nice thing if you're Chicago, just looking at the central scouting list and birthdays, Lev Shunov is in October 2005 birthday, which means based on the quirk in the slide rule, if Chicago happens to sign him before the end of the calendar year, they can park him in the HAL and his deal slides into, until his 20 year old year until he plays 10 games. There's a pike bomb shit right here. Like if you're,

there's a lot of these guys like you saw the flames did this with Conor Zari. You know, his, his year, you know, Connor's area is another year left in his entry level because they basically signed him to a four year deal that they burn three years worth of. So if you're Chicago and you want to have your cake and eat it too,

you can sign him, bring him in. If he's great, great. You can keep on the big club. If he's not, if he's not quite there yet, you can have him in Rockford.

And he can be making his money and you can be, developing them and you're not really harming your flexibility at all. Yeah, he's in their in their hands with the people they're paying money that they think to the best at grooming kids to play in the NHL. It's a good point. Okay, so this is where I'm really curious to, you know, because we've said the draft starts at two, but this last three, four days, it's, the cat was out of the bag. It was going to be Lev Shunov and it is.

So now the draft is incredibly interesting. Pat Verbeek is in what, his second or third year is the general manager of the Anaheim Ducks. He apparently works with a closed door and minimal hours of sleep. The guy is insane in terms of. just, I think it's a silo there. He wants to do things his way. He's not going to be, you're not going to be hearing a lot about what he's doing, kind of the Stevie Y, Lou Lamarillo school, because of course, he worked under Stevie Y. That's sort of what he was groomed, how GMs operate.

And here it could be anywhere, Dean. It could be the huge D man. They already have a huge stable D. It could be a center. We're now, you know, Frank has suggested it's going to be Beck at Seneca. This is where things get very interesting for me, number three with Anaheim. And, and who knows what's coming up with them? with potential trades too, right? I feel like they've got some good young players come, but you're going to, if Zegris moves, that's, is it a pick?

Is it another young player? I'm curious to see how this ducks team, because they're going to turn the corner here at some point. They've got some very good young, a young defense and young players. And we just got to the point where we didn't hate the ducks anymore. The flames snap that curse going into Anaheim. They could finally win in Anaheim.

And then all those jerks get out of there. It's like, okay, well, I don't hate you as much. anymore. Now they're going to start running over people. Well, so you've got Leo Carlson last year at two, you add to, to Mason McTavish, you already had. And they had the defenseman of the year in 2023 in this WHL, OHL and the QMJHL. They have a lot of watching. So watching Zolwiger this year, I was blown away. Yeah, massive talent. Unbelievable. Yeah. He's phenomenal. I can never remember the name of the Q guy. So

OHA was Pavel Minchikov. Yeah. Obviously, Olin Zellweger in the Duh. And I forget the name of the guy in the queue. But yeah, like if you're like, if you're trying to build from the ground up and you're trying to build the net out, like, I mean, you know, you can you can say what you want about what they have in that because I, they're working on it. But that blue, that blue line group is just like if one of those guys pops the way you think he's going to, you're ecstatic. And there's no way that all three guys regress. Someone's going to be great. And it was kind of how they were good. They just, I think they won five Pacific divisions.

in a row, Dean, like when the flames couldn't win there for their lives, it was the decor. It was Vatinin and Lindholm and Hampus and Camfowler. And they also had one tour. And it was a really good blue line. They even had Che Theodore as a youngster before Vegas took them. I mean, when they were good, it was a lot of, okay, they had the stars up front, but the decor was very elite for a long time there.

You're ahead of us as well, Dean. So you let us. I'm a smidge ahead of you. I just, I need two things. do you guys really not have any beers there? Like that's some bad planning. This draft goes for like hours. You're in Vegas and you don't have.

There was some afternoon beers. We could get some beers going here. What's in the ice over there? Is that just Aguas? Where's that intern guy? Get the kid on the case. Let's go. I'll slide them.

And number two, I don't need, you know, here's some radio broadcast. They have what's called a cough button. So if you're here and you press it, it'll automatically mute. I need a, I need a burp button on this end. So if you hear my mic go quiet, chances are that's what's, that's what's happening there. Okay.

A little ball of hate to the podium here. What do you see? Well, they're selecting a player. Okay. Excited for set of players. It's Seneca. Wow. Is.

Oh, Beck, it's Seneca. Right winger from the O who had a monster finish to the season and grew a ton this year. was he a fourth round selection in junior and then grows four inches and he's a man now with great handles apparently do you know and good speed on the way it sounds like on on stephen ellis's uh draft rankings he was 14th that's not to mean that he's not a good player there's very good players throughout the first round it's just to say uh that's a divergence uh looking at the various draft rankings from our or pure friends throughout the hockey world the highest ranked he was on any list was ninth on the elite prospects ranking wow so this is This is Patford Beak's guys betting that they know better than the consensus. Yeah. And like you said, it's, it's Anaheim's list. That's the only list that matters here at three. And came through in the playoffs.

You know how GMs like that. Plays in Oshawa, 6'3, just under 200. Right winger had 27 goals and 65 games in the regular season. Then in the postseason, 10 goals, 22 points in 16 playoff games. Wow. You just dream on that stuff, right? Yeah. But boy, I'll tell you what, three is high.

It's very high. You could have the second best forward or second best defenseman here. And instead it's like, okay, the role that I sent away. You could have moved back to theoretically nine here, Dean, and got Seneca, I would venture to suggest. Correct me if I'm wrong. But I wrote quite a bit about the 2016 draft class for the Flames. And, you know, some of the guys turned out quite well, some of them not so much. But in 2016, that was the year the Flames got Nicholas Baxter.

He won two games in net for the Flames, which hurt. the flames draft lottery. They lost the lottery ranking. And then it turns out they got Kachuk anyway because one of the teams ahead of them picked against the consensus. And the flames got the player that they were committing the whole time.

Was that the defenseman in Vancouver? Was it Pilly Arvi? What was the... I think it was you levy, wasn't it? Oh, you love you. That was only a levy in Vancouver. Okay. Interesting. So, I mean, this is the kind of thing that happens in the draft and this is the kind of thing where you know, five, ten years from now, you can be looking at

you know, back it's necky or you can be going back at Senecky. It could be it could be something that if you're a Ducks fan or a Flames fan, you look back on and however long and go, that was either the smartest move they could have made or a move that made someone very good fall to a divisional foe. Mom is surprised. She is. You know what she is?

She's Misty right now, guys. Mom wasn't getting push alerts from Frank because Frank tweeted that half an hour ago and he's top three, he's nailed it. Do you have the, do you have the camera? Robinson tweet there because I know last year we were in Nashville and we had Cam Robinson on from elite prospects to do the mock draft earlier this week. But last year at the draft, Cam's a huge personality, tons of fun. It's got the huge flow. He's always wearing the bandana in his hair. He looked at me after Badard went one and winked and said, Carlson's going at two.

And no one thought that was the case. It was going to be Fantilly. He nailed it. He also had Beckett Seneca in his crazy suggestion, just 20. 30 minutes ago, going number three to Anaheim after Lev Shunov to Chicago. And here we go. We talked about it. No way there's much consensus amongst the top 10 teams. They show the replay and you'll see you guys will see it. They are.

They're stunned. Dad, dad shit his pants. Mom is like, what? And even the kid is like, holy crap. It does not look like they had the intel that they were going in three. Which is the way Pat Verbeek. roles, right? He's not telling anyone if he's doing it. If they knew, they did a good sell job that they didn't know.

So what's, what's the verdict on these, uh, these orange jerse? I was going to say, we got the young people. I, I, I love them. I think that, I don't know that it would always work, but in 2024, I think they bang right now. Those are deadly. I, I showed the, the, the, the, the NHL put out a tweet after all the reveals. They had sort of all the home jerseys sort of by division. And I showed it to my wife and she's like, hey, look, all the, all the divisional guys in the, in the Pacific are all different colors. That's kind of fun. Yeah, I mean, it's a distinct color palettes at least. I mean, if you're, who else has orange league-wide?

The Cleveland Browns. The Flyers, I guess. Flyers for sure. Maybe a little islanders, oilers, but yeah. Those jerks up the road, it got some orange in there too. What do you think, Dino? I need the Dean fashion reaction to the, to the, you know what? It doesn't wow me and it doesn't discuss me.

I like the Kings. That was my favorite. When they went to those silver and blacks back when you went there, it was like, wow. Those look so good. And you know what? It's weird. I feel like they look better in person with the socks, the whole kit. The whites look so good. The lettering in that, it's going to take a little getting used to. And of course, it's got the whatever Beckett insurance or whatever on the chest.

It's like, jays. The Gellicuddy Industries. Yeah. If we could get that off there, it'd be all right. But no, I think it's all right. I wondered if they would go back to more of those original, whatever it is, purple, plum. Yeah. green gray or whatever they had in there. But probably orange is a little bit more.

You're going to sell more orange than plum, perhaps, to the kids nowadays. Well, and I just think, you know, it's always cyclical fashion. So they're going to go purple in five years, right? So go back to that at some point. Go ahead. Sorry. No, I was just going to say that how many more curveballs do you need here now before nine for there to be? You've talked about it.

Pike, if the next two picks are here. huge because Columbus and Montreal definitely should have some forward interest here. If you get teed through those two, I really think the odds of them getting to nine are much better. Yeah, I have, again, sort of in a ledge with sort of Sam Dickinson and Berkeley Caton, and then the guys above them in that ledge, their left are Demadov, boom, Lindstrom, and Perrek. And you get one or two surprises. and all of a sudden there's, you know, if you're the flames, you could have a tough choice in the sense that if there's any more surprises,

you could be having to pick between the son of the best player you've ever had and someone from that upper ledge that slides. Yeah. Caden Lindstrom goes to Columbus. Which makes sense. Huge center, all kinds of talent, powerful. I mean, just a great athlete and injury marred season, but a guy that you can dream on with his size and strength and physicality.

Yeah. number five on my consensus list. Not allowed to say, like he's center, probably the best center available outside of Macklin Sellebrini, big, mean. He had some injury issues this year,

but I saw him early in the season playing against the hitman, and they did not like playing against him because he's big and he's mean and he's talented, and he knows that he's big and mean and talented and is not afraid to be it. I mean, I know the flames,

when they drafted Mark Jankowski, the big refrain was, oh, he's got the skill, but he's not using, he doesn't use his size very well and he's not mean enough. And the fact that Lindstrom is so damn mean allows him to use his skill so well. Like he, he's just a wrecking ball out there at his best. They, I guess, asked at the Combine, we've been chatting with a lot of the people that are just prospect draft nerds here, Dino, over the last week. And at the Combine, one of the things they'll always ask guys is, you know, we'll keep

your name private, but who's the hardest guy to play against in your league? and Lindstrom was far and away the most common pick you heard from the Western League. Yeah, guys, you talked about a plaque. He's mean, it's that compete level. The guy just, it's almost like it's, it's just intuition. He doesn't even think it. He's just going to go nonstop. I'm going to get that puck.

I'm going to go through you. I'm going through the wall, whatever it takes for me to get that puck, to make this play, to get this goal. He's going to do it. So to some of the set, I know some guys were saying, almost maybe to his detriment because he may injure himself. He puts himself in tough spots at times where maybe you pull back a little bit and not take the big hit, but he doesn't really know it any other way.

But 6-4-2-16, chiseled from stone, competes, plays hard. I wonder how he feels because you have Chicago, Anaheim, Utah, Montreal, all kind of in a sandwich around Columbus there. not to say anything. I'm sorry, Columbus, just the way it is. I wonder how he feels about getting Columbus and maybe not Montreal or Chicago at that point. I do wonder, because I see that I might be by myself now.

I saw the boys drop out from the feed. Hey, you know what? Oh, there we go. I see one guy. Can't hear him. Can't hear him, but we can see him. Check, check. You got us now?

Do you know? We got you now, big buddy. Yeah, we lost your minute. there. Did RJ fall off the bed or what happened? He's drinking all the beer. He's not sharing. So he's hammered running the show back there, I think.

They got room service in Vegas or? We're in this weird industrial developed floor. There's actually a couple podcasts, like 100 paces to our left. And then Denver and Chicago podcasters are live streaming the draft as well. I think what we're doing is unique. And there's just people like us and other stuff. I kind of like it. I kind of, this is my kind of cold industrial environment.

It's got a vibe to it. Ryan, I need to come to you for your expertise. Let's go. Here, I'll lift this up. I wonder if you can put my mic. Oh, look at this.

I've got some raspberry. The Rockyford raspberry. Some more Barnburner blonde. I've got some iced teas in there. Yeah. I think I've got the Mexican logger and maybe a homegrown in there as well. Lots of, lots of Barnburner blondes.

But I just crushed a blonde. Pardon. Yeah. Yeah. He said, what? Uh, what's, what's the next, what's the go to now? So your wife's okay with you? Crushing bonds in the basement.

Uh, I would say if you want something a little sweet, you would, you would hit in, uh, the Rockyford raspberry, which is unreal. Uh, I, I like doing the sweeter, tastier ones early and then get into more of the, your, your staple loggers in the Mexican. So I would go with, uh, just a little treat on the tongue for you here for your second beer. Stand by. Yeah, very good.

Uh, by the way, I, Frank. Sarvali tweeted a few moments ago that Montreal is indeed keeping their pick. They will make the selection at five. This is a huge decision, Dino, for Montreal. They did not select Maffa Mishkov last year when they had the chance to. And they went David Rheinbacher. And it is not what, you know, I think people wanted them to do. It certainly doesn't look like they got the better player.

They didn't know how long it would take Mishkov to come over. And now they're faced with, do we get this Russian player? and does he want to be in Montreal? Demadov is just falling to them at five. Feels like a dream. Well, it's interesting. They're still sitting at the table. There's Kent Hughes sitting at the table by now.

Usually the GMs had started to make their walk. You wonder if Demadov being there at five, or whomever, I suppose. But you wonder if, especially after seeing what's going on with Mishkoff, like you say in Philadelphia, well, maybe this guy, what if it's only a year? What if we don't need to worry about him coming to North America or us getting him here? And I, you know what?

I think he won some people over. There was that media, kind of the media availability two weeks ago, week and a half ago. I think everybody came away, if not blown away, extremely impressed. The guy speaks better English than we thought. He's more engaging than we thought he wants to be here. This is a guy that wants to be in the NHL and in North America. So I wonder if maybe Montreal is making the mark the walk to the podium now. but I see somebody's complaining.

I came here for the draft picks, not Boomer's picks. Hey, listen. Shush. This would be unreal. I expected to be Demadov, but man, they've done a really good job getting some pieces on the blue line. And you add arguably the most dynamic winger in the whole draft class at five here. Make no mistake. If Ivan Demadov is named Jim Smith and he's from Saskatchewan, and he's gone already.

They didn't get to see a lot of these guys. Teams didn't get to go and watch them play best on best. Rush is in the penalty bog, so to speak. They don't get international play. And he also played in an inferior league, the MHL, their junior league, which is really crazy. He didn't get KHL reps, which you usually see for a prospect of this type. Different universe, different passport. He's probably gone already.

This is a dream for the haves. Yeah. And it's one of those things where we have a stereotype in our mind of the Russian athlete. Thanks, Rocky 3. But, you know, Demadov, I think he's had to fight against that a little bit. I think a lot of guys in this class have. And, you know, by all accounts, you know, it sounds like he's willing to come and excited about coming. And, you know, players, teams want players, are excited to be here.

Do you know what sort? They're bringing Celine Dion up to the podium to make the, uh, that's awesome for them. So, uh, mixed review at the sphere, it sounds like for Celine, all, all due respect. So everybody loves Celine. We know that, uh, there are some challenges. but in Vegas they're not sympathetic, apparently, to those challenges. So Celine de'on, he's going to make the pick for the habiton here.

The heart must go on. Here we are. All right, Celine. So this is becoming the NFL draft. We're seeing, hey, do you know, where it's like celebrities now make picks and we're going to have teams in their war rooms next year? I'm curious to see what next year looks like. This is kind of our transition year.

During the pandemic years, didn't the flames have Lanny now? It's a couple of picks. So, I mean, it's now without precedent. I mean, at a certain point, you're basically just, we're going to run out of legendary or quasi-legendary figures. Then we'll be like, here's the assistant equipment manager from the Montreal Canadian. Who is Seattle run out? Like, what are we doing, Eric? It's Marcheon Lynch.

I don't know. You know, you're ahead of us. So let us know when you know. I'll be okay with Marshawn Lynch. Ken Griffey, Ken Griffey Jr. can announce a cool picks? I'm just here. So I don't get fined. Ivan Demadov is a Montreal Canadian.

It was too good of a fit not to happen. It really was. just to give you a little, I guess, run a show here, Dino. We'll go live with this right through the Flames Pickett 9 and a big reaction to the Picket 9. After we've done our piece on 9, we're going to throw to Mike and Kent, who are back in Calgary. They'll kill about a half hour for us as we can find some beers here. You're going to need a potty break at some point.

And also we'll have all kinds of time. I just went now. I just pissed my pants. Just addle dapering it. Okay. Well, I bother. You just quit. That's a,

that's a sponsorship opportunity that we really haven't explored. It really is, yeah. And oddly, origin doesn't want it. They want no part of it. So it's up for grabs. And we also,

we've got, I believe R. RJ's starring comments. We will get to our great clips inbox once we get past the Flames pick at 9. I think it's probably the way to do this, you know. Nice.

Hey, I'm just, I'm just here for the here. Yeah. And next up, the first ever draft pick for the Utah Uts. Or where are we called the hockey club? They aren't a rug.

be club. So yeah. Why, why are they needing a year for this? You know, a year? So there's two theories I have. One is that they want to do a really good job and you don't want to rush it. And then you've got to get the whole supply chain and get things made. I kind of believe it, but not really. And then the second part is you watch what the Washington football team turned commanders did. And you're just fleecing people for an extra three hundo a year later. And they'll hey, oh, this is the year one jersey. It's a collector's item. And this is the jersey we actually have. Like you're just really reaching into people's wallets.

And to be fair, Ryan Smith and the Utah crew, they reached in pretty deep. What was it? 1.2 billion? 1 billion they paid for the yo? So 200. Like maybe they can sell a couple jerseys and will be the people in Utah, I'll be okay with it. Yeah. And from Bettman's, so you want to take a little extra time?

You go ahead. Whatever you need. Sell some. Ryan Smith. Yeah. Whatever you need there. It's all about the HRR. Yeah. By the way, is, can we please have like, I know there's been lots of like investigative

journalism on the topic, but can we have like a comedy remake of like the Morello era and the coyotes? Like I just absolutely thought that was fucking hysterical how that came to an end. It just sort of went out with a way for like, yeah, I'm not going to be pursuing the club after all. Apparently I'm a Richard and no one likes me here. I feel like the last like three years of the coyote's existence have been like a bad episode of Kirby and through his totally where it's basically they're like uh

Alex you got to have the the zoning dealt with so you can buy the land you should have asked about that two years ago and then he just shrugged that and then that music just follows them around everywhere he goes totally as someone who said through a lot of zoning meetings last two years um just handle that first yeah get the people that know what they're doing you billionaire idiot like what you're doing and Gary Betman's like

we have a guy to bury to announce. Like he just absolutely took this guy to the woodshed. Like get rid of the team. Don't have to go into this legal entrenchment with them. And yeah, we knew we wasn't going to get the rank done. We don't have to deal with this turd anymore. We got a nice guy in Salt Lake with tons of it out instead. Hard to know with Utah here.

Lefshunov goes off the board. Lindstrom's off the board. Obviously, we said they get a, their pick a D here is my guess. They need a puck moving defenseman that can get the puck to these skilled forwards. they've been collecting over the last few years. I don't know if they like Perrick or William or Dickinson, but if you had told them that, I mean, where are we at? We've had one defenseman taken in the top five.

They're going to get their second favorite defenseman at worst. Maybe their favorite here, Dino, is my guess. And if you're looking from a flames perspective, there are what, six, seven, eight, nine. So that's four picks, three till the flames. And so if you're the flames, you got boom, correct, cat, Dickinson, Genla, Selae, Heleneke, Hulanius, hanging out.

You're going to have your pick of three or four of them. And I guess we kind of knew that, but now that you kind of get into it, and Lindstrom isn't going to fall, like some people thought. And Seneca definitely seems to go higher than maybe people would have expected. Absolutely did. Yeah, that's the surprise. So now it does become a little bit more real when you start rolling out those names. There's three more names to go.

So the flames are getting one of the following four or five packs. So I, I wonder if this, you'd love to pump proof serum in. So is this, was this working for you, Conroy and the flames? Is this working in your favor? Or did you have Seneca as a wild card? Did you have, I had heard they like Seneca, but I also think him going that early allows better players to be available to them at nine. Like, I don't know that their heartbroken Seneca's gone because they're like,

oh, shoot, we're going to have some options at nine here. I mean, there's the, the ledges I was informed of. are basically around 12 and around 18 to 20, depending on what scouting group you talk to. Yeah, and Todd Button we had on, what was it, yesterday. He wasn't hiding the fact that they think there's alleged 18 and back channeling in the organization. That's not them throwing people off the scent.

They do believe that, you know, 18 and lower numbers are, that's where they think there's a significant drop. Darren Dregor from TSN reporting on the social media's, that the flames were considering moving up from nine, but it sounds like they're staying at nine right now. Yeah, I mean, when Columbus made the pick, the news was them keeping it from, I know I saw Elliott tweet that,

that definitely was in play. But if you're Connie and you see Seneca at three, you're like, okay. I mean, our chances of getting the guy we like might have gone up just a bit. Interesting. So Gary is at the mic, and it looks like he's going to make the official introduction

for Ryan Smith and the, and the group. And Ryan, you know, he's, he, it's he and his wife. It's the team. Anytime you hear him refer to it, it's the Smiths, it's their, their enterprise. So do we know today, did the front office, the brass, did they do all the same suits? Do they leave that in Arizona? I don't know.

I just have, they had better suits. I like the idea. I just thought they were looked like, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, we got to rent tuxedos for this wedding. It's really quick. Hurry. I don't care if they fit well. you can do it a little better than they've done it.

I don't mind the idea. It's kind of cool. Thank you, Smith, for saving us from that disaster. Ryan Smith says, he says, come on, why aren't you booing us? You got to start booing us going for the rivalry already. He's fun, hey? I think he's, they really wanted to get him into the club, so to speak.

Oh, I remember the last presser with Alex Morello, how he just sort of seemed like he was being drag kicking and screaming to be a sports owner, whereas it seems like both Smiths just really enjoy just the fact that they're in the club and they get to they get to talk up their hometown as much as they do yeah they're done a great job with the jazz what are you hearing you know you're ahead of us i don't want to miss this it ain't good if you were wanting tija gindler in calgary the utahs the utah whatever they're going to be with their first ever pick and franchise history select tia gindler at Wow. And a rivalry is born, gentlemen.

Holy. So interestingly here, in a draft class that midseason, we talked about all the D, one gone in the first six selections. It has been the story of the forwards and the late rising forwards. That's a great point. Who are the highest risers. Right? This was going to be the year of the prime high end top end D at the top of this draft.

and one guy has gone through six picks. And still, I do believe it's a very good class of D. But when we talk about Seneca and Ginnla especially, these were guys that just kept getting better and they kept climbing draft boards. In Seneca's case, growing four inches, doesn't hurt them at all. It helps a ton.

And in a Gindler's case, he finally just got ice time. He was a healthy scratch last year in the playoffs for a Memorial Cup team. They both exploded and they've kind of forced themselves above these very good defensemen. But I think the D run is coming here, Dino. Well, it's, yeah, it's basically got to be right now, unless what are we looking at, Caton or I'm just trying to think,

Connolly, who are some of the guys left? Connolly too soon. You've gone through a lot of these guys here in a hurry. But I do wonder, and there will be some Flames fans, some are relieved or whatever, what would they have taken? And we'll never know. He didn't get there. He actually was not close.

There was a couple more teams to pick. I wonder for Jerome, from a father perspective, of is their relief, is their disappointment? I wonder what his emotions are. You're obviously thrilled. Utah, you're going to love the owner, the ownership. It's great. It's not Arizona.

That would be an interesting feel if it was six, eight months ago, right? No kidding. You got to feel good about where the franchise is going, but with the chance for him to be in flames callers, I wonder what the emotions are. If your Papa, though, I mean, A, eldest boys got bragging rights on you. You're not going to hear the end of that for a while. And B, assuming that Jerome is based in Calgary going

forward. It's an easy flight to go visit your son and see his games in, uh, in scenic Salt Lake City. So I mean, you know, it's, uh, you know, I, I assume that he's going back to Colonna for at least one more year and then he'll be pushing for ice time, especially based on how deep, Utah's prospect group is. But I mean, you know, if you, if you remove the, the last name aspect of it, on paper, this is a really good pick for, for what they need. Uh, interestingly, Do you know the Kynelan of Salt Lake. I mean, they've got a lot of

really good young forwards. I think it's just a, yeah, we could use a D, but we just, we can't bet against the ceiling of this high rising kid. He's one of the youngest kids in the entire draft eligible to be taken. And you just saw him get better and better and better. Like, how hopeful are you that

he could go back and even be a centerman in Colonna? We're hearing that the rockets have lost a couple centers. They might try him out there. He might be more than a scoring winger that, you know, can really dominate games. If he becomes a pivot here, this is, you have to take him. He would just be the type of player you can build around for a decade. And he's got to develop and he's got to turn into that player, obviously.

But you can see what the Smiths are trying to do. He's, he is an engaging kid. If you've heard him talk, I mean, he's, he's like his old man, it's smiles and personality. And all of a sudden, this, in a way, this guy becomes partially the face of your franchise, the first ever draft pick. And you can imagine now they are going to trot him out in Salt Lake. And it's going to be quite the, quite the launch, the Aginla launch in Salt Lake. So it's great for the kid.

It would have been a cool story. I just kind of got, I kind of watching the way he developed and slowly moved his way up the draft boards because it wasn't really a rocket ship, right? It was slow and steady. Yeah. I thought that there was a chance. I thought there was a really good chance. I did think we'd be talking about a Ginla.

But now it's wild to look at this and think of the D. What about, you know what? The other name, I'll ask you, Pike, because you're the guy here out of Spokane, Berkeley Caton. This was another guy. A lot of fans were saying, again, we get it, but Caton's the guy you want here. You want the center. Yeah, he's undersized, but this guy has high octane skill and offense.

Yeah, and is he a center? I mean, he is now, but the size suggests it's not a slam donkey is. One of the better centers in the Western League last couple years, though. I mean, he's taken, I did a thing comparing him and Teague, you know, he's taken, I think all, I think maybe three players in the Western League have taken more faceoffs than Berkeley Cat in the last couple of years. He's won about 53% of his faceoffs while scoring a metric crap ton of goals. He's one of those guys that just, he, we talk about size all the time and, you know,

size is always an issue unless you have it. He's the kind of kid who has been able to, progress and really work against the perceptions of what he should be able to do. I don't, you know, there's not a lot of like 5-11, 6-foot centers. The NHL tends to be the land of giants. But, I mean, you know, Conor Zari played center in the Western League. He's starting to transition to that role. I mean, the flames, I think at some point would love to add sort of a bigger body, like,

true stereotypical center. But if the choice is grabbing, you know, Mark Jankowski's or smaller guys with a bit more dynamism to their game. A lot more dinuses. It feels like the current regime will veer towards the Katins versus the Jankowski. Yeah. And so maybe he's like a Giroux

boom where he can play wing and center, but he's just a high skill player that's electric and it doesn't really matter whether he lines up to take faceoffs or not. But there just aren't many guys of size playing center. It's more of a Braden point, you know, Suzuki type situation that that you're hoping for.

Or he's just a dynamic, awesome winger that can pile up points. Are you ready for another one, Ben? Are you ready for another curve? ball. Here we go. Ottawa at seven takes Carter Yakumchuk at the county. There it is. We knew he would go higher than the consensus rankings.

There's enough tools there, Pike, that someone was going to fall in love. We kept hearing that from the scouting community. He's, he's big. He can take over games. He's a right shot. He can do a lot for you. The only, the only qualm I have with this game is sometimes he tries to do too much,

but he tries to do too much because he can do a ton. And because the team was bad, right? It just wasn't a lot around him. And he's like, I'm not passing it to some duster. Like, I'm going to just try to go end again. So they have a backlog at lefty. It's Shabbat. It's Sanderson and it's Chikrin.

And the thought is they're going to have to move chikrin. They needed a right shot guy and Yakumchuk fits the bill there long term. That this also means that if you're Craig Conra and your scatting group, amongst the name still available, Zabom, Zane Perak, Berkeley, Sam Dickinson, Anton Selyev. And Consta Heleneas. that is having your pick of those six guys or five of those six guys at ninth overall, you're probably not going to be too unhappy with it. Yeah, you could move back to 11 and still be very happy with guys you thought might not have been there at 9.

They could have their favorite defenseman of the group team. I will say this. I had heard from a scout from another team. He said, we think the flames like a Ginla, Seneca and Yakumchuk. So it is possible that their three favorite guys are off the board now. And that's speculation. You never know this time of you're right. right, but it was from a scout.

He said, that's what I've heard. Yeah, that the Yakimchuk would be the second D out of that group off the board. And again, I don't, you talk to people. It's, you see him the odd time, he'll make the mistake or he'll get into a brain cramp. It's because he's got the puck all the time. And he's, he's just that damn good at this level. He can make plays. He can take chances.

We're at the next level. Okay. You're not in junior anymore. Stay within, stay within yourself, stay within your game, that that'll, end up being really good for his game. But at that point when you're 17, 18, 16 years old and you can do whatever you want with the puck when you're out there, chances are you probably do it. So 30 goals for a D man is in the Western League is something.

Incredible stuff for a 17 year old season. Do you see Funf vibes here, Pike, in terms of the skill set? Like Funnuf's brain was never exceptional, but physical, shoots it a ton, absolutely fearless, chaos creator. Yeah. He's, he, I would say the things that I like about Cade Lindstrom's game up front in terms of just being physical and being like, I am bigger than you and I'm just going to push you around because I can. There's some aspects of that in, in, in Yakimchuk's game to when he's doing it. I think the challenge with him is like, you know, he's a guy that, you know, I think might not try to get too physical at the Western League level simply because if you take him off the ice, what the heck does the hitman really have, at least last couple of.

years. But if you're in a pro environment where he doesn't really need to for lack of better to him, use so much oxygen and be Mr. Everything, does it allow him to sort of engage a bit more, a bit differently than he has in the Western League level? So now They, man, Dickinson's there,

Williams there, Perik's there. They're elite defensemen that will be there for the flames. At least two of those three, depending on who Seattle selects here ahead of them. Yeah, Seattle is a lot of here. Of that group, I'm curious, Pike. Who did you, who did you think there's no way that guy's going to be available.

And he may not be because there's still a pick to go. But is it, is it, Porek? Who's the guy that you thought, it's nice to dream on that, but there's no chance he gets to nine. I had a, my feeling was both Dickinson and William would be gone.

Like, Dickinson because he's won every, like he was just everything he touched, turned to gold last year. He was a key player on a couple extremely good hockey clubs in very different circumstances. At Denver winning national championship and at team USA, winning oral juniors.

And again, as a teenage, as a, as a, as a as a as a 18 year old. And Dickinson, I mean, you know, uh, Stephen Ellis has written a lot about him over at daily face off talking about he uses the term safe. And he uses the term safe to describe like he's so good at everything. Like he can play with anybody. He just, he's so calm. He's so good at everything that it, he just, Dickinson does not look flashy and game looks easy, right?

Yeah. And so if you're the flames, like, if you have all those defensemen that have, for lack of a better term, works on one side of the other of their games. Dickinson could smooth out a lot of rough spots for a lot of different players in a lot of different ways. Yeah, I've heard that it's sort of somewhere between Hannafin and Petrangelo, like maybe not a pure power play number one defenseman, but big minutes, all situations, power play two at a minimum, 25 minutes a night. And interestingly, Ellis and some of the other draft guys that were with us here from our network,

we're saying, you know, very similar scouting reports on Evan Bouchard. He was viewed as a safe pick, and it's taken some time. But look at the explosion of offense we've seen from his game. And a lot of the things we heard about him out of the O HL are similar to what we're hearing about Dickinson, who I think just feels like the pick at this point. Also, if you want to be afraid of Americans, that helps too. He played the O. He's not a guy that DU.

Right. What about a guy, because we talked to. Salia is the other, by the way. I was going to say, and on the other side, when you go international skaters, Saliav is out there. And I was going to ask you about Consta Heleneas because he's a guy, he's a center. And Craig Conroy, when we kind of pressed them, you know, is situation, what kind of position of needs? Well, you'd like a center.

So you wonder now, is Katten? Is he enough of a playmaking centerman? Heleneas is the center. We'll see we're a pick away here now as Seattle's up at the podium. Yeah, they're very different players. I would see Consta Heleneas as like a Kwayvoo type guy. Like he'll be a number two center that could wear a letter you build around. Everyone loves him.

but he's not a superstar offensive player where I think Katten's more of that like Claude Jure like wow, bring you out of your seat. But, you know, number two centers aren't sexy, Ryan, but all good teams have them. Yeah, the big knock on Heleneas is just, it's more of a ceiling thing, but he's, the folks I talked to are basically using the term

very high floor. Sealing's probably not that high from his floor, but like he's played pro hockey in a good league against men since he was like 1617. Dean. Sorry, Pike. Seattle takes Berkeley Caton, another former. Wow. So 2D in the top eight of this D heavy draft. And not the second D that you thought you'd see. Yakum check, a lot of people had is the sixth group. Maybe he's not quite in that top five royalty, but the next tier. We have William Dickinson, Perrick, and Saliov, who was rumored at times to be going three to Anaheim available for the flames to select.

So I was interesting, Dean, because we don't know exactly what he is, but what we do know is that he's 6'7, he skates incredibly well, which is rare. I mean, that's a unicorn and he hits. It's, again, it's not as sexy as points, but NHLGMs love that. They do. They also in one of their draft number two for Craig Conroy, this is a high pick. This is a top 10 pick. Chase some ceiling.

I just wonder if. Because I feel like with Salaev, there's still that we don't know. He is growing into his body. And where are we going with this guy? I mean, he's playing with men. He is a monster. If this is Zedano Chara, then you race to the podium and get this guy. But it might be Jamie Alexiak.

That's the problem here. Yeah. And they haven't got a lot of eyes on him. He hasn't played internationally. That's where Salaev is so interesting. Yeah. And what does Salaiav just turns into what he is in the K? in the K, he's been a very good defensive defenseman,

and his offensive abilities haven't really shown through yet. And he didn't really have showy offensive numbers at lower levels of Russian hockey either. He had respectable numbers, but traditionally the guys who turn heads offensively at the NHL level are the guys that have turned heads offensively at lower level. So, you know, it's a very unique situation. So here we are. I was going to say, is there any way?

and you're as you were as you would go over all these lists pike and you take all the different outlets and so the places that do these is there a consensus now is it boeum over preck is it parake over saleh of have you seen a consistent one of these guys ahead of the other no it everyone's a little bit different and that's when we talked to Craig conroy yesterday uh that was one of the things that he brought up. It was odd because I asked him a question sort of asking just how does this year feel compared to other ones? And he sort of remarked that

the interesting thing this year is that all the defense men are a little bit different. And so you might have guys in a certain list, but you might go, oh man, based on the guys available, this guy might have an aspect of his game that you like better or you feel like fits your team's needs better.

So, you know, they could go off the board in a sense at this point because they have different guys at different traits. Look at that. We got a stranger just joined us here. Who's hanging in the shadows there? Is this the defenseman, the flame selected number nine, Dean, that you've, you've

queued in here on the screen? It's that steady stay at home defenseman. That's right. That's what they need. Who on cue falls out of the feed. There you go. It's got to be D here, doesn't it, fellas? Like, I know that they could do something else, but there's got to be,

there's no way they thought they'd have the pick of these. four defensemen we're talking about in William, Perrick, Dickinson, Soliof, and they desperately need defense guys. Like, there's two years left on Rasmus Anderson's deal. He'll be 31 in the first year of his new contract. They've got a lot of guys that might be second pair guys and a whole lot of guys that could be third pair guys.

They've got no one in the system that is a lock to be a top pair guy. You can select one here. Yeah. They have a lot of guys that fill roles. Like, they have, you know, we've talked about this extensively. The three or four guys that project is shut down, you know, Mavericks and guys that position as the guys that are on your power play. And outside of maybe McKenzie Weger, organizationally, I don't know if you have a lot

of guys you feel comfortable just throwing out in any game situation. And, you know, they could get one here. It looks like the feed from the sphere took a dump. So they're kind of, they're kind of killing time here all of a sudden from the looks of things. Kind of like, uh, yeah, kind of like our feed with, uh, with retro there he was there and then and then he was gone but yeah it is what it is it is interesting with comments on the d just a thought on the d and the needs here do you know i mean it's so hard right it's you look at boyam who was on an elite team within denver they win a national championship but at the

same time this guy as a rookie gets 50 points in 42 games and is a contributing guy on a very good team one of the best in the country. National champs. Right. 50 points. Perrek, Saginaw, 33 goals, wins the Memorial Cup, wins the defenseman of the year

in the Canadian hockey league. You feel like you're in a really good spot here if you're Craig Conroy. I don't know who you put ahead. I'm sure this is all the stuff that you sift through it. That this Perak kid is a genius. Like graduated high school at 15 years old. He's been taking university courses.

It's crazy. whether that translates into being a high-end hockey player, I guess we'll find out, but they're headed to the podium here, man. Yeah, and it'll be a high-end offensive defenseman is what he is, whereas Dickinson's sort of that more well-rounded all situation. So you've got the quickest feed.

You get us up to speed here, you know, on what you're seeing. He's thanking all the fans, and Boomer and Pinder and Pike. That's what he said. Right on. Hands on his hips. They're going with Zayn Perak,

out of stagina off. Shear coincidence. Do you know who the Flames just invited to their development camp at the end of the week? His brother, his big bro.

I'm a climbers. How about that? There'll be two Pericks at Flames development camp. Tell us more on Perik, Pike. He's the only defenseman in the Ontario Hockey League

with better offensive output than Hunter Bustevich, and he's 14 months younger. Yeah, two seasons. That's considerable. Wow. Right shot. Point producer.

elite offensive player and the knocks on defense dean people think that you know they saw a lot of improvement this year from him and that you know it's not that he won't be good defensively so much as he's just going to figure it out because he's figured everything else out this is a really really high ceiling offensive defenseman yeah it is interesting right he's he checks a lot of boxes that's a lot of points 96 points 33 goals d man of the year and and on a very good hockey team. I often wonder what that, how that translates, because you can get some

good players on bad teams and good players on really good teams. Well, were you part of why they were really good? And I would think that Zane Perrick is, was a part of why. Yeah, the point totals would suggest he was distraught during the drink, not just a guy. He, and they went what? All the way, were they hosts of the Memorial Cup? If I'm correct, Ryan. And he, yeah, at least so. They lost in the final. And like a big contributor on a team that was loaded that was hosting the Memorial Cup. To,

be a rookie and have a role in a Memorial Cup team really is, you know, pretty exceptional on its own. We saw Chuck do that the year that it was hosted one in Red Deer, I believe, but you don't often see the 17-year-old's leading the way. I know that the Seth Jones, Nathan McKinnon, and that was a fun one, but it is exceptional to see. And this guy is a defenseman. The numbers are just gaudy. Well, and this guy's a defenseman. He's gotten back into the feed. It's Rhett Warner.

You got a retch on there? Just standing by here. We'll get him in. I'm not sure if we can get him in. I thought I put him in there. I see him. You can hear me. I can see him.

It's going to sound like a shot. This is not, there he is, this is not a defenseman cut from the cloth of Rhett Warner necessarily. Yeah, it's not going to. It's not. We try. You try. You just take a shot at him. He's gone.

You can't do that. Yeah. Take a shot. take a shot and you'll ask them hey so with how this first round how it shook down all these forwards going before defense what did you see where did you have oh we had him ranked so high we had him we love this guy we this is the guy we wanted all along we were going to move up if we could but we you know that's what you're going to get but at the same time years down the road you'll maybe look back and forget the context that we're in right now these all

seem like unbelievably talented, smart, good young players. It's hard to look at the credentials here that this guy boasts and feel like there's holes in his game or there's a reason to stay away from him at 9. He was the defenseman of the year in the Ontario League, or sorry, in the Canadian hockey league as a draft eligible kid. Yeah, it's wild. That's so impressive. And you talked about it, like done high school early.

like elite elite brain. Those are the people I like to bet on. They're really smart and succeeded everything they try. Graduated high school two years early has been taking courses from the University of Toronto since he was 15 years old. Wow. And despite the fact he played in an American best team, he's a good Canadian boy. When was the last time they had a dynamic offensive defenseman?

I mean, I know Geo kind of became something close. And even Dion, it wasn't huge points so much as there was the big shot there. I had 20 goals. Right. But it was, yeah, I don't know that we looked at Dion and said, oh, look, that's a power play Cervant. Like what this guy is is more than that. Dion wasn't an elite distributor. Dion just could rip it from the point, right? Yeah, I guess just in terms of who would be the last guy, Dion could do it all, right?

He was physical, great skater, hard shot, all of that. I don't think that this guy's calling card is physicality. I don't think. No. This is really more from, this is the, today's vintage of a young defenseman, isn't it? Pike, we're seeing it and it's everyone's going to compare guys to Quinn Hughes or compare guys to Kael McCarr.

It's heady praise for sure. But these are the guys that they're emulating. These are the guys that the young youngsters are watching. And I think Perak probably is the high end skill higher than Dickinson. Is that fair to say? Dickinson seems to be the more safe all around. Yeah, I totally agree with that. Yeah.

Kind of a thing, whereas this is, this is high octane stuff. I'll, uh, I'll interject in to read some, uh, some notes from Jordan Harris at Dauber Prospects. Uh, I, I, this is, I think a very succinct explanation, uh, quote, he's the most dynamic offensive creator in the draft and can put up points in a multitude of ways. Perak has a wicked shot with a quick and deceptive release. In addition to his shot, Perreck is a fearless player. with the puck on his stick. He tends to passes, others do not, and he converts on a lot of them, too.

His entire game is built on deception, and you create space for himself using impressive four-way mobility, edge work, headfakes, and look-offs. Perret can play with too much confidence and try to stick handle his way of a sticky situations. You can afford to show more urgency and dish the puck off to a teammate or simply make a clearing attempt. There's almost no physical game with Perick, and his difficulties defending are real. He's used to playing in a free-flowing system, which gives him a lot of autonomy, but he'll need to play more structured and compete harder in the NHL. The offensive upside with Perak is undeniable. he should easily become a PP1 player who puts up a bunch of points,

even if he plays down the line, but even strength. New Jersey has taken Selyev. Wow. That sounds right. That feels right, doesn't it? Yeah. They've got Hamilton. They don't need the offensive defensemen so much as who can be our wet blanket that's mean.

Who's our shutdown guy? When you got Hamilton and two Hughes's, I guess one defense, But they don't, they're not chasing offensive ceiling. If, if you were the New Jersey Devils web crew, their website team, now you have a ready-made web show. You have the Surly Russian and Dougie Hamilton going around having adventures, checking out museums, going on road trips. That just writes itself. Dougie Hamilton trying to make a Russian guy smile. I'd watch that.

It's interesting. He played with men all year in the K. I wouldn't think we wait too long to see him in the NHL. already six, seven and skates brilliantly. Like he's 210 now. I probably play at 2.30 when he's done growing. What's left for him to learn in the K.A. Well, is he going to get better in the KHL?

You want him over if you're in New Jersey. Like, there's no question you want him with your people, rather than like Nizhny Novogarad or where the hell he's playing. Sorry, what is that team? Nishni Novogarad. Torpedo Nizgi Novigrad. If that's where he is. They get the reindeer logo.

Yeah. It's torpedo. You just say torpedo. That way you don't have to have to learn Russian words. Fair. Okay. So this was supposed to be the Flames pick that they got for Markstrom, right? This was supposed to be.

Flames go back to back, right? You go get the offensive D and pair them with the stalwart defender. That's right. And you know what? Red always wanted to get Tees and somebody else. So it's, uh, you got to somebody else. How does that work? Is that going to be good enough?

No, you just got to get Teage. geez, you know, these Canadian-born kids that go to America when they're six, who knows if they're even going to report to Utah. Pull out of talks, get back to Calgary. So now San Jose at 11, they sneak in here with this Buffalo pick. Yeah. Zee, Boyum at 11. Makes sense.

They got Celebrini at 1, and now they added defensemen to the group that they added Will Smith to last year. This is, they got some prospects now, Dean. San Jose. and there's no guarantee they take them. But it's, that's a pretty nice. I guess when you have two of the top 11,

you're going to feel really good about how you're picking. But you get obviously the guy you wanted at one. I'm surprised. I wonder, is it just different tastes for teams? Why Boyam is the guy who now has fallen out of that crop. Is there anybody else that we're kind of missing now, Pike, in that group?

it feels kind of like as far as the defense dickinson's the other guy i guess but was he not always kind of a little bit a step right a step or two behind where boiom was just no consensus right i mean dickinson was the second d on a lot of people's boards and fourth and others and fifth here i mean boiom perrick and dickinson you could pull a name out of a hat going rankings to rank you's there that i saw and like i don't know dickinson maybe because he's the quote unquote safety pick he's the least sexy i mean he's got the least variation in his game i think he's probably the least likely to if you were going to show up at a at a a london nights game you know a a because it's the london nights maybe he gets less credit for being as good as he is because he's

playing on such a good team but he's also kind of guy where if you pick a game out of a hat to go to i don't know if he's going to be much better on either any any other night because he's so consistent yeah whereas perik might make a play that you're like holy shit like i've never seen that for parrick might pop off for like a five point night if you show up on on the right night or there might be nights where he doesn't do much of anything offensively so so i we're i believe we're a commercial break here you're probably close to back there but coming back but you your boeum was not the pick you're just saying he's there if they want no i he he is not the pick they went to they did go to a commercial break i'll uh i'll let you know

so who if not bollium then then maybe who dickinson dickinson or you see helenis where's Cole Eisenman? Maybe the best pure goal score, the best pure shot, right? He passes Cole Cofield for the U.S. development team goals. One pure finisher. Guys just love his shot, which is important. Last time we checked for all teams, no matter how many how many friggin goals your team can score.

But he's going to be. 57 games is a lot of freaking goals. It would not be a surprise to anyone if he's the highest. scoring player out of this draft class, but it's very one-trick pony-esque. And look, it's the hardest thing to do in the sport. He scores goals easily. He almost, you mentioned the Godi goal totals. He slid from a top five pick into the teens while scoring that many goals.

Like, he's not a complete player, but God can he shoot the puck? Sam Dickinson to San Jose at 11. There you go. So they go with the D, but it's not the Pioneer. Is that what you are when you go to the University of Denver? That's correct. Do you? Yeah, yeah. The David Carlsville team?

Is that what it is? I think so. Did I say Dave Dickinson or Sam? I think I've got Sam, yeah. Okay, because it would Dave's a little old, yeah. Overager. I think he could defend pretty well. I've had a couple origins, eh, guys? You know, by now it's, It's a mistake I could easily make. I think we're probably close to this ledge that we've talked about Pike, where it's sort of like 12 to 13, like maybe it's Heleneas or another guy.

And then you're into the more, just another layer of the draft that goes to about 18. Some people have suggested at some point we can throw over some links to Kent and Mike and they can jump in and give us thoughts on the flames if we need a little break. But maybe a pick or two, we get over this ledge and then let those fellows jump in for a bit, you know? I got lots of beer. I mean, it's, uh, well, we don't. We're going to have to solve the problem here. Yeah, well, that's bad planning. That's, and really, of all the guys, I didn't, I did not think you'd be the guy.

I, there was a lot happening. This was an empty room, not long before we started shooting. It's here everywhere. Hey, I was working upstairs and I was just told, go me, go me pender at the elevator. I thought he was going to kill me. So this is, this is a better outcome, but I still wish there was beer. Not yet, Pike. But yeah, well, I'm not going to kill you and I am going to get beer.

So good deal. Oh, nice. So Philly was, I know that there was sort of the drumbeat was, geez, man, if they could get a guy like Katten to slide to them, Katten who played in the Pacific Northwest, kind of goes to Seattle. What does Philly do here? This is interesting. Yeah, I just,

I guess William's the last of that top D class and Phelanians. It feels like they could use everything too, right? They're kind of in that mucky middle. There's not much there. In a way, Cole Eisenman, right? The American goal scoring kid feels like a guy that would be a Philadelphia flyer. Sure.

Planeous, William or Eisman, to me would make a lot of sense. And to your point, there's needs everywhere. Was it you that brought up Michael Hage the other day, Pike? Yeah.

Because here's a guy, injured pretty much all of last year. Elite hockey sets, big, powerful skater, and comes through with 75 points and 54 games with a really good club. I wondered if maybe this is a guy that might jump him into that next ledge as some guys maybe continue to fall.

If I'm like, big, big, big powerful guys. If you have multiple picks, easily you go after Hage. And if you have a, if you need everything or you don't really, you know, you're basically going,

let's fill some holes. Hage has been, he's progressed so well. And, you know, he's got Scott Wheeler over at the athletic road a feature on sort of the off-ice challenges he's had. He had shoulder injuries. I believe he had some family tragedies as well.

And he went to a foreign country. I mean, it's America. It's still a different country than he grew up in to pursue his hockey dreams amidst all that. And with all that noise and learning all the stuff he needed to learn, he's been just flat out phenomenal in the USHL offensively. So the stuff that you can't teach, Michael Hage is good at. The stuff that you can teach,

he's also very good at. And if you're a scouting group, you look at what he's been able to do in Chicago and go, imagine him in like another two or three years with an NHL organization's resources behind him. So, and sorry to change gears a little bit here, but there's one slide that's happened right now. When we went on Betway and looked at projected pick slot,

Zee William was seven and a half over under. We're now looking at pick 12. There's no one else that we thought could be in the top seven that's left here. I don't know that Philly thought they could make the pick of Booiam, whether they like them or not, I don't know. But there's always one guy that we're like, it's William this year that slid, the DU defenseman that, what, 50 points as a freshman.

That's, that's the one to watch here for me. Yeah, I'm trying to look kind of the same way. It just, it felt like Eisenman from the midterm to the final rankings, his slide had already kind of taken place. Yep. It felt like you wouldn't have been shocked if it was Boyum at two or three, right? If he got picked, well, there's, that's great pick. And that he's still there.

10 picks later is kind of stunning. Yeah. The over under, like the betting, the sports books just, you trust it. That's the unbiased what smart people think are happening. And seven and a half was the line. And that's, that's many picks ago. They picked, you know, four or five guys from that point already. You had Yakumchuk at seven, cat and eight, parrick.

9 to Calgary, Salaia of the Monster at 10 to New Jersey and Dickinson at 11. And we've had now for the last five picks, our defensemen. This was the run we thought would happen in the top 10. It's just sort of happening from 7 to 12 potentially. If we see a defenseman here, that'll be 5 of 6. And this is me jumping around a bit. The plugger pal Steven Ellis at Daily Faceoff. Do you know where he had Zane Perak in his final rankings?

Fourth. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And then again, this is what we talked about for months. from two to 12, you could pull names out of hats and say, yeah, like, that could be a team's list. Like, it's just what do you like? They're very, very different things, which aisle are we shopping in?

Do we want the defensive defense, do we want the offensive defense, do we want the trustworthy center? Do we want the one-dimensional goal score? Like, there's, there's so many different players here. Curious if there's maybe a trade happening here as Danny Breyer is still at the table and they're showing a shot of some other suit, gentlemen in suits, furiously and vigorously writing things down on a, on a sheet of paper.

So was there a more famous two men with suits at the draft table than what was it, Brian Burke and was it Brian Murray in Ottawa when it was the Cowan Cadry back-to-back picks? I think Berkey was miced up. That was a famous one. I love that one. You guys want to hear a juicy quote about St. Perak from Stephen Ellis?

Let's hear it. Quote, Perak was far and away the best defensive defenseman of junior hockey this year. And I think the upside of him being a devastatingly good point producer will allow him to go early. I just enjoy the phrase devastatingly good. Yeah. No, and they had the clip of him solving the Rubik's Cube.

Like, this is a sharp cat. These are the people you don't bet against, right? Like, who was it? It was a Tatum that was just hanging out at NASA for the Boston Celtics. Like, I like collecting people like that rather than the,

duh, puck going net. Like, he's using his brain to be successful here. I'd be very happy if they make a trade here because, you know, what it would do? It would allow us to have pinned or do as Gary Ben, when we have a trade to announce thing.

That would be good. Before we got on, I was complaining to Pinder that second year in a row, our pal Craig, we got to talk some sense in this man. So last year, during the Writers' party, he does the Tifoli trade.

All of us had to scramble and sober up and find our way from wherever we were in Nashville to our laptops. And then this year, seconds after that the awards are done before the shine had even gone off some of the awards, it's another trade. So it's two years in row.

He could have teed up Pinder for a, we have a trade to announce. And two years in row, Craig just flagrantly withheld that joy from you. Yeah, Pike and I were crushing high noons in the pool at 42 degrees. And we had to hop out and do manjapani reaction. Thanks, Craig. Yeah.

Yeah. What's your favorite high noon? What's your go-to there? Watermelon. I kind of like them all. The watermelms is good. The peach they have here, I'm not the biggest fan of. I do like the lime.

Don't mind that. They're giving them away too. Really cheap in the pool, by the way. Yeah, I bet they are. Yeah, the semi-retired models and bikinis that handle them. How many do I get? Yeah, I don't know. Just take it for free.

That's for one of these? Okay, great. Just take the credit card and leave me alone. I'll say this. After the auto grad of 20%, a breakfast burrito and a round of drinks was $95 American. Okay. Since we're talking about the possibility of a trade, we'd be remiss. We did not mention that specifically, you know, specifically Todd mentioned to you, Pinder,

about the ledge at 18 that maybe they were trying to go. it over yesterday uh, Craig mentioned to us in his avail that they, you know, they have a group of players they like around 28 in that sort of later first group and they, you know, they think the phrasing he used was,

oh, we might have to move up to get the one, get one of the guys we like. So as we move forward here, every time, uh, Dean alerts us to the presence of men in suits, whispering about potential trades,

I wouldn't rule out with the flames having an insane amount of picks in the second and third and fourth rounds going forward. the possibility of them doing something like that. Yeah, I agree. I don't know that they can get it done, but they'll be trying for sure. Go ahead, Dean. No, there has been a trade.

We'll find it out here. Oh, beautiful. See, if it's Calgary, I'm going to look very smart. It would be wonderful. Who are the men in suits walking around? Anyone we recognize? Do we see any Todd buttons or Craig Conroy's or Dave Notices?

So if someone's... And Minnesota is one pickback. So they're only moving up one slot here. This maybe you take a third to move back one, where you or Minnesota calls like okay well if you're not taking this guy we'll move back one it sounds like it's 12 for 13 and a third in 2025 so they move down gets you a third rounder in a couple of years or next next year so Minnesota is on the clock and it wouldn't be crazy Dean for Minnesota or anyone else to have Z. Boyum is their second or third favorite

defenseman and just like no way is he available at 12 okay we just have to go get them now so Uh, feels, feels like that's got to be the natural here where no one's slid so far, right? And you're at 13 as, hey, hey, Danny, uh, defense are forward at, uh, at 12. What do you think? What, uh, what do you? I, I don't know what we're doing. I'm not sure what we're going to take. Yeah, and I think it's a huge conversation.

I'll give you a third if we could swap picks here. So tell me who you're taking. Okay. We'll do it then. Yeah. Yeah. And if Breyer didn't have volume in the chamber, then he's like, thanks for the free third round pick.

Exactly. Uh, Craig, Craig, or yeah, Craig Button told me a story when I was doing research of the draft. I didn't use it in the book. Just the, the, the thing, remember the, remember in 2002 when the flames got, Eric Nystrom at 10th? Yeah.

The flames originally had ninth. And a team basis, I forget which team it was, called up Craig. And it was like, hey, we're going to take the guy. We're like, we'll give you an extra pick if you move down one. He's like, okay, he had no intention of taking the guy that they're worried about. He just said, okay, and just took the pick and moved down one and took Nystrom anyway. So Bill Guerrin, uh, on the clock here at 12, uh, swole. whopping with Philly who moved back to 13.

Interesting. Third rounder for that. And he gets a fresh clock too, right? So now he's, we're just watching Billy Garon sit there. I do need to give you a little background on what happened at the sixth selection when Utah selected T. Jigginla.

I believe RJ's face went straight into both palms, elbows on the table and motionless for upwards of a minute. Also, we've got his phone here just out of camera. shot that I'm watching the draft coverage on. And immediately he had texts from a brother and mother and Jack, everyone offering condolences to RJ on the, the T-Jigan selection by the U-H-Stre.

I know. Poor Arge. Yeah, that's a tough one, man. How many igonless do you need? Like, how many do you think you deserve in one lifetime? Only one last, no. Yeah, 20, 26, it's the Joe againless sweepstakes. So we'll, uh, folks, I know if you're, if you were planning on demolishing the partially built

Teague Jiginla statue, I think you can repurpose it in two years, depending on if Craig like somebody better at that pick. Well, yeah. And here we go with the hype train. We'll have another two years to talk about Nogynlo. That'll be sniped three picks before them again. So you just, just watch in 20206, he'll go to Edmonton like you did in the Western the gun.

Uh, yeah. And as expected, they move up a spot to take Zee, Boyum from the university. University of Denver. Wow. All right. That's a nice pick. 12 overall. Catch a guy slide.

So you could have one of your top 3D at 12 there. So Philly didn't want William or they don't do that. That's what I would parse out of that. And so maybe it is Eisenman. Maybe it's Costa Heleneas. Hellenius. Like you've got Mishkov arriving this year. There's your incredible offensive engine.

You can put some pieces around them. They're going to create offense. But what about that next layer? Who's going to defend? Well, Heleneus is kind of that. second line for a decade and a half like Backland plus type player where you just say, yep, that's every that's our number two guy. Yeah.

I think the only thing if you're a GM that you're going to get raked over for taking someone like Heleneas is just he'll never like it's, I'll say like I think we've well established that we think Michael Backlain is good ice hockey. Michael Backin was a late first because Michael Backin just didn't have exceptional offensive upside. He could do everything else really well. It's just the last.

of upside made scouts go maybe a little bit lower. I think he hurt his knee his draft year. So that was really the only knocks on backland. Calanias is sort of the same thing. More offense, but not much. Yeah, like very mature. Play's center, plays the wing.

You can do a lot. He'll fill a lot of holes for your team. He could be, you know, somebody that's a glue guy for your team for forever, but he might not ever be the best player on your team. Yeah. But, I mean, if you're,

again, if you're a team and you have like, I would say, case and point, we talked about how good Utah's prospect base is Utah is a lot of guys that are really good offensive players, but maybe the music between the notes

isn't quite there yet. Heleneas is sort of the opposite, where I think he'd be a really nice compliment for an organization with a lot of high-end offensive players because he can sort of fill in some gaps in a lot of different situations. Yeah, and then the other thing you talked about, Dean, is do you give Mishkov a trigger man?

Because Mishkov is just an offensive wizard. Do you give him a coalizerman to work with? That's probably the other thing Philly's debating. It doesn't call. It just feels like a Philly pick. Kind of does, yeah. Like an American kid that just scores just an absolute goal goal score. Cocky Yank that scores 50 that plays in Philly. Like that feels like erroneic, doesn't it?

Yeah. It kind of does. Yeah, kind of does. Hockey Hall of Famer, Jeremy Ronick? Yes. This sounds odd, isn't it? I'm more excited for hockey Hall of Famer, David Poil, but that's just me. That is just you.

I will confirm that. Yeah. Okay. We've got some people that want to jump in on the stream. So RJ, why don't we invite Kent and Mike to come in and spell us for a moment here? I think after this Philly pick, that might be the time where I have to go hunt beers, Dean, and you can get another adult diaper to slide into. Yeah, I got lots of beers.

I'm here. So whatever it is we need. Flames do have another pick, gentlemen, before the night is through. That is true. Unless we wait right till the end and then Conroy trades it. And then he'll trade down into the, into the second round. He's moved 28 for the negotiating rights to Gensel.

Oh, wow. Oh, he signed in Vancouver. What do we hear it on that Vancouver? Does Vancouver got to pull this off? They're trying. I know they got Tyler Myers finally done. That'd been rumored for a while, really nice low money deal.

I think if Tyler Myers slotted properly is a really good player, the problem is basically entirely that contract in Vancouver is they wanted to be a top four. He was always a five in Winnipeg and a great one. And when he was slotted as a five Vancouver, it worked. So they got low money there. They sort out Dakota Joshua yesterday as well. And I think four years of term, money lower than he probably could have got,

but it's a good fit there. They like him. I think they've said goodbye. And is Nikita Zedorov, who's now free to go to his sixth hockey club that will finally appreciate him the way he believes he should be appreciated. And, you know, the, in fairness Vancouver liked him and would like to keep him. It's not like he's being run out of town on rail.

Oh, of course not. No, I'm not suggesting. I just mean like, Nikita Zadourav is the biggest. I was 16. You talk to people and Nikita Zadorov is the biggest Nikita Zadorov fan on earth. You know, his agents

talking about who he's the best defenseman on the flame. He went for a third and a fifth. The same blue line had one guy go for a first plus and a second plus. Like it's just an exhausting thing. And you talk to guys to play with him. I'm like, that's who he is. He's incredibly cocky. He loves himself.

And he thinks he's worth six. So they're going to say no. Like that's my. take about. Like, I wonder what the market is and what kind of, the reason, six, the reason he came back to Calgary is because his camp thought he was worth so much more. He didn't get it. The market wasn't there for him. And he had to come back with his tail between his legs and take money from Calgary. He thought he was getting the good Branson money. He also, he also did that in sort of the flat cap COVID era where there was just no money for guys

like him. And so if you're someone like him who can move the needle offensively, there's probably you can be a team that little I'm not sure I'm not sure if Nikita Zaduroff will ever get the money Nikita Zadourov thinks Nikita Zadurov should get but like he's he ain't bad like he's you know you put him with the the right defensive partner he can be very like we saw it like he saw him in the chaos giraffe were just a spectacular matchup because just weird stuff happened when they're on the ice if you're like I heard from Canucks fans that they were you know alternately terrified and excited every time they were on the ice together because weird stuff happened but it was so much fun for them to watch.

Yeah. And just to get back on topic, they are definitely hard on Gensel, but there might not be a player with more suitors than Jake Gensel. Everyone wants Gensel. No, who can afford him? Does he cost 10 with that many teams chasing him instead of nine if it was only two or three?

I don't know. Is he searching fit? Is he wanting money? Is it a blend? I know Frank Zarevelli did. Yeah. Yeah, I know Serevelli said today that basically he wants, it's the most money.

and what's the dough. And if you've got 10, 12 teams chasing you, you can get the money from a good one probably. I can live in Vancouver. I can live in Raleigh. I can live wherever. Pittsburgh again. This is about getting it done.

Does that feel like a contract that'll age well, though, in that situation? I don't know what the term would be because he is longer in the tooth, but the money is going to be. Well, to get the money, you're probably going seven. If it's not right, it's got to be 32, 31? Like I don't know. 30s.

Yeah. Like that's, That's why he's not a penguin. They just said, look, we don't know that we can give a max term guy to, a contract to a guy that's already in his 30s, despite how good he is. We'll see. But yeah, like you think about if you have J.T. Miller and Besser and Elias Pedersen and Gensel, you can have those two pairs on separate lines. And that's a really, really, really elite top six group. Gensel turns 30 in October.

Okay. So you see, I'll be 30 to start next season. Breyer is bringing out Philly native Michael Buffer to make the pick for the Philadelphia Flyers. In Vegas, of course. Yes. Buffer in Vegas. Because everyone associates Michael Buffer

with the city of Philadelphia. Bruce Buffer, right? It'd be Vegas, but this will be something. And remember, you can't say his catchphrase or he'll sue you. That's got a trademark, right? You got to give him 10 bucks. He owns those words. It's like three Pete.

Doesn't someone own three Pete? is Phil Phil going to assume you now? Yes I believe it was Phil Jackson Did he that had a trademarked? This will stun you. He's he's talking a lot.

He's the vocal equivalent of Nikita Zedorov. He likes the sound of his voice. It's a thrill for him. Yeah, I'm sure it is. Yeah. It's tough. All right, let us know.

Oh, here he goes. He's, yeah, well, it's taken a long time. I won't lie. Yeah. Is it Eisenman? Is it Heleneas? Is it somewhere off the board?

That's a good question. I'd go Hellenius. Let's see here. How about Mishkov showing up? What a treat that'll be for them next year. Two years earlier than expected. They're getting the Russian guys in. Yeah, everyone is.

Ooh, I think my feeds ahead. All right. So what do you got, Pike? Let me just refresh to make sure I'm not wrong because I don't want to spread in misinformation. Oh, a lot of you. I had a hard time making a note. because he was doing the whole,

the whole whoopty-do they do there. I total, I missed the whole thing. I don't even know what the hell he said. Jet Luchenko. Wow. That's off the board. He good. Yeah.

This is a very interesting guy that teams would love to have slid to them later in the teens or into the 20s. He might have been selling the flames would have won at 28. I sure. I mean, if he's, yeah, if he was there, they'd love that. He's been as high as 12th on some rankings as low as second round. Really?

It's that kind of draft. We're now into that. I think that first ledge has happened, Dean, that top 12. I think we're now into another, another tier here. Yeah, cool. Eisenman's like, do you sure I wasn't in that top tier? No, I kind of thought maybe I'd be in that top tier. It feels like maybe, maybe you're not.

In October, he was. In October, he was. So this guy's calling a playmaker here? Is that what we're talking about, assist, smart, high-skilled playmaker guy? Is that what Lachenko? Is that safe to say? So it wasn't like I expect to be talking about in the teens. I'd be honest.

But I mean, you look at the numbers, that looks like a playmaker. Doesn't it? A centerman, there's 54 helpers and 20 goals? That's what is basic as the analysis can get. But, yeah, I don't have a ton on Lichenko. Yeah, I mean, guys like him, lead prospect's draft guide says, as soon as he steps on the ice, Lechanco increases the pace of the game.

two-fold one second. On the heels of an opponent carrying the puck out of the neutral zone. And the next, he's piercing right through the opposing formation with the puck on his stick. His speed makes him a retrieval and pressure machine. He skates really well. He moves really well. 20 goals, 54 assists in 74 games for Guelph, played in the U-18s and won gold. Guelph, bless their hearts, have not been a stack team the last few years.

His NHL drafted teammates, Michael Bouchinger, Vilmer Alphrixen, and Cam Allen. So he hasn't really been dealing with, you know, a lot of high, high end prospects. So he's, to be blunt,

kind of had to carry the mail for them this year. And, you know, he's, he's been able to do it. And, you know, he took a big step this year

because Guelph would have been in some dire straits without him. I mean, they lost in the first round of the draft. So it's a miracle worker. But, you know, if you're the flyers and you need somebody that can,

you have some guys like Mitch Kov's a good example. You have guys with some, some high, high end skill ceilings and you may need somebody who can play with them and bring some pace. I think you can do a lot worse than Lyshenko. Rank 20th in the North American skater category by the NHL, trusted in all situations, smooth skating center, lots of different gears, does the little things well, good vision, back checks with a purpose. Yeah, I mean, it's, guy, it sounds like a good player. I'm surprised maybe that it's this,

this spot for that guy potentially. But hey, what the hell do I know? Is that the Golden Gate Hotel right in the background there? There's a, I can see the GEO of the Golden Gate. There's a, there might be the gold. Is the golden nugget still open? I haven't wandered around too much.

Oh, sure, but if you go to the golden nugget, you'll see two things. You'll see a huge nugget of gold, which stands to reason. But you'll also see some sharks. I believe at least last time I was there, they have sharks in the pool. Sharks in the pool.

That can't be hygienic. It's different. It's kind of, I think you take a slide and you can, it's like the tube goes through the water where the sharks are. Something like that. Anyway. Are you a gambler, Pike?

How's the, you've been feeling, you've been touching the felt. You've been winning some, get some cards. What's been going on there? Because I know you're a mad man. I've been,

I've been good. I haven't really, had a lot of time to gamble because we've been running around a lot, you know. So thankfully, Craig Conroy's kept us busy enough that we haven't had much time to gamble. But we'll see, we'll see how Saturday unfolds. But, uh, yeah, no, that's, uh, I think on the consensus list, Lechenko is 23rd, which again, I mean, doesn't mean he's not good. Someone like, again, uh, he was ranked 12th, I believe on scrolling up, uh, Jason Bukala over at Sportsnet, his rankings, uh, he had him 12th.

So that's about, he was paid. 13th and in Bukala hasn't in 12 that he's probably feeling pretty good about his rankings. I wonder now, because we talked about the unpredictable nature of this draft in this first round. I wonder how crazy it gets now. Because yeah, there was some for, you know, Boyam falls and Perak fall potentially, but I wonder now if there's going to be some guys that old Sam Costantino is really going to be flipping the page. It's okay, where do I have him 30, 40? How shit, how deep did I have this guy?

He's been taken in the first, the first round. I think when, uh, I think what, Igor, is it Igor Chenikov who got, uh, yeah, it was Yeager Chinikov and no one knew who the hell. Yeah. It was like, in the building, you can hear like a record scratch. We were like, yeah. And I mean, then there's like the handful of guys who'd watch all the Russian guys.

They're like, I can't believe you guys don't know who Yeager or Jagger Chinokov is. You can only have so much time to watch so much hockey. You got to pick your spots, but. It's right. You turn, you know, it's, uh, those kind of reaches make you look either real smart or really silly. So did Pinder leave you high and dry what's going on there? Yeah. What's happening? Yeah, Pender

and RJ, Pender, I think he basically decided he'll get some sort of beverages and then he sort of shuffled away and RJ just sort of shrugged and he's like, okay, like, you know, we've been trying to wrangle Pinder in various capacities for way too long, especially you. Well, I'll tell you what, if there's

one thing I know about Ryan, he's just a great sidekick. You can always depend on him. Lindy Roth making the Pindler, for the Buffalo Sabres. Of course, he's coaching there again. Good for him. Lindy Rough just always seems to show up when you need him. I'm really curious what Buffalo does here.

It is Consta Hellenius, the centerman, going at 14. That is a very nice pick for the Sabres. I'm sure Consta Heleneas will give a shout out to his hero, Rhett Warner. As everybody should. I'm not sure that will happen. Pike, I'm not sure that that will happen, but nonetheless. RJ, when are we, uh, well, I see we've got Mike in the wings. Mike is standing by.

He's ready to roll. Yeah, and I think we're working on Kent. If, you know, I can hang out if you need to go, do you have to go pee? How's your bladder? Oh, I'm, I'm good. If you got a dainty bladder, is it like the size of a thimble? Are you pretty good? No, I'm one of those people that can basically, you know,

I if I'm if I'm if I'm there for a long if I it's a three hour movie I didn't miss any Lord of the Rings. Yeah. So you're good on road trips. We can count on you not to. Oh yeah. I think, uh, RJ's in my ears saying we're going to get Mike Gould in my. Mike. How big is your bladder?

How's your bladder? Mike? Oh, can't hear you. We're going to have to un, uh, unmute. Uh, sorry. Sorry. Live we're live. We're live everybody.

Uh, I just had some, some. Some caffeine-free Coke Zero. So I'm- I should be good for about 20 minutes. Caffeine free, hey? That's interesting. Yeah, I don't dance with caffeine. Don't dance with caffeine.

Really? What's the deal? You know, it's just, it's a little, it's a little intrusive. I don't know. I just, I, it's, I'll tell you, it's a bitch to find. Apparently in the States, they got regular Coke that's caffeine-free. They don't have it up here. I don't get what it is.

Free Coke-0. Caffeine-free Coke zero. So, Mike, since you're joining us, let's get, we'd like you to weigh in on at least two topics, the first of which is the crushing disappointment that you feel in your soul that Tija Ginnel will be playing in a different market. Although, if of all the organizations for it to happen in, it's Utah HC, the, the zomboified remains of the Arizona Coyotes, which might be the next best place. I don't know. I don't know about that. I, uh, I don't know.

I think it might have turned my turn my insides inside out there a little bit going to Utah. It's, I don't know, that was kind of the one place where I didn't want him to go quite frankly. Makes my feelings even more complicated. He feels like a good fit there, doesn't he? Right? New team, exciting young

fan base, they're going to love them there. People don't realize, and justly, because nobody really paid attention to the team when they were in Arizona, but people don't realize how good their forwards are. And, you know, they, they did have. have a bit of an archetype under their previous GM, John Chaka, who was not huge on size.

They got guys like Keller and Machele and they're very good playmakers and Keller can score, but they kind of needed that sniper and that guy who can play with a little bit more, you know, audacity on the ice. And so it's, it's a great fit for them. I like it. But it, you know, the heart part of it for Calgary is, you know, just it kind of stings a little bit. I see Kent is standing by. We'll bring Kent in. I'm going to ask. Kent about his bladder and then I'll duck out and Pike you can do whatever you need to do there and then we'll we'll regroup and we'll jump in at some point here as we're getting ready they take at the break Heleneas at 14 and there goes Pike so we're waiting on I guess it'd be Detroit now

coming up at 15 Kent Wilson how how's your bladder you're good bladder good blood you can hold yeah you can hold good on a road trip we're not pulling over all the time for you to have I got a tinkle that you're not a No, I have the Constitution to do a road trip. I'm good. I'm not stunned. I'm not stunned at all. So, you know, and before I jump out, because obviously you guys are going to take over, I guess. And brought up Tej, I'll start with you, Gold and then with Kent. What are your impressions?

Biggest surprise of shocks, just, I guess, if somebody said, how's the first round going? What would you tell? I'm a little bit surprised. I had most of the top five mapped out. and I was honestly surprised that Zeefe Boyem went as low as he did. I was pretty sure he was going to go to Anaheim because he's an Orange County guy. He's from there and I thought it would make all sorts of sense, especially after Anaheim traded Jamie Driesdale to Philadelphia for Cuttergoe.

I thought that was sort of a position in need. And so when that changed, things kind of changed with it. The other four picks in the top five, I had thought ended up going the way that I expected them to. But after that, once Teige goes to Utah, it's just something that. That was not, like with Utah, that's a team that needs a defenseman. They need a defenseman badly. And, you know, they took Simashev last year, but I could have sworn they were going to take William or Perrec or Dickens, especially Dickinson. Dickinson, who was who I thought.

And after that, I don't know if any of the picks have gone necessarily as I expected them. So it's been, but that's what makes the draft fun. And your thoughts there, Kent, as I prepare to duck out and let your boys take over here for a bit? Yeah, I had like four. earmark for the flames of correct Caton, Gimla, and William, and it's like, all right, well,

as long as they get one of those guys, one of those guys is going to fall to them. So I was happy when they made the back, given how the rest of the top nine had gone. All right, man. I'm going to, here I am chirping you guys about a bladder. I might go to the bathroom.

I'm going to chill out for a bit. And we'll chime in. All right, here we go. Sounds good. I guess it's just the two of us now. Wow. Okay.

All right. Let's talk about whatever we want. Yeah, let's talk about, yeah, boom. I don't know, those sunglasses. Why does he always wear him? No. Yeah, Kent. I mean, we're about halfway through this round. And, I mean, we've been talking about it throughout,

but I'm really quite surprised. And I'm surprised at Zane Perak. I'm surprised they took him over Zeev Boyum. I like Zane Perak. The reason that I was expecting them to take Zeev Boyum is, I mean, I don't necessarily care about the handedness. I think the flames need help on both sides. But for me, you look at these two players, Zeev and Zane.

They both won championships this year. Zane won the Memorial Cup. Zeev won the national championship in the NCAA. And they were both extremely productive. My only reason that I had Boyam ahead of Perrek, and again, they finished so close, was that Boyam did it against better competition. That was really it.

He was in the NCAA. But the OHL isn't exactly, you know, a huge step down. It is a step down, but it's just going to be interesting to see how those two project and compare against each other. Yeah, I mean, Perak had like a 99th percentile season in the OHL. That is, that's crazy. I mean, he scored over 30 goals. He led his team in scoring as a draft year defenseman. That's bonkers. Like, Brian Ellis didn't do that. He's the last guy I can remember who had comparable numbers, right? So it's like, this is a tremendous player to get at nine.

Usually guys like that go top five most years, right? Yeah, I mean, you can't deny it. It's, it's, I mean, when I watched Carter Yakumchuk a lot with the Hitman this year, you know, you, you saw, I think the flaws were more glaringly evident. And he ends up going higher than I pegged him. I thought he was going to go sort of in the teens, maybe, or maybe in the 1112 range. With, with rec, it's, it's so interesting. You know, I don't think nobody is regarding Perrek as, you know, a defensive mastermind.

He's not that kind of player. But I don't think at the same time that he is necessarily as prone to error. Like with Yakimchuk, when you watch him, he, I would bring it up on our pre, on our lottery show. I brought it up. I said he, you know, when he's at his best, he looks like Dougie Hamilton. When he's at his worst, he can kind of do the Nikita's Zablai. Like, Dougie Hamilton. Yeah, yeah.

And it's, and it's just, it's going to be so interesting because with Zane, you kind of, 10 years ago, you wouldn't have been able to necessarily clock any comparables. You know, there weren't necessarily the players around the league who looked like this. And now it's very easy to see the comparables because two of them have won the Norris trophy in the last couple of seasons. And they are Quinn Hughes and Kail McCar. Quinn Huiz. And it's so interesting to see, obviously McCar and Hughes, neither of them came out of

of the CHL. They were both college guys. Now, Perek is an OHL guy. And it's, again, it's going to be so interesting because you look at all the analytical models. We looked at Byron Bader.

We looked at Patrick Bacon. There are so many people who look at the point production. And it's, like you said, it's in the 99th percentile. It's unbelievable. It's just a matter of. And also,

the other thing that I look at here is, where do you manage to fit in both Zane Porek and Hunter Bruce DeVitts, who are the top two scoring defensemen in the entire OHL last year. They're both right-handed shots, but I don't know. Are they going to be able to make it work? It's another question that I have, but it's really interesting to see them take such a swing on skill.

I mean, the problem of having two tremendously productive defensemen is a good problem to have, so I'm not going to worry about that. The guy to think about for me is Evan Bouchard, right? Yeah. This big 10th by Edmonton as and like just scored a point for game in the NHL. It helps to play with Connor McDavid, obviously.

But we've discussed it in the community we're in a couple times. And I've said like if you want to build a true contender these days, you can't just build a couple of superstars. I think you need at least one on the back end. And I'm not talking like a TANF level great defenseman. I think you need a kale macar. I think you need Quinn Hughes, Evan Bouchard. And I think this is the style of player if you're building a contender,

if he grows into that, that you need, absolutely. Now, the other thing I want to say is I like the Bouchard comp. The only thing is he's quite a bit bigger. He's six three. He's big. And Perek is six feet. Now, I did say, you know, 10 years ago, this player might not be as bountiful,

as plentiful in the NHL as it is today. but a guy who very similarly came up through the OHL and turned into a superstar won two Stanley Cups, I mean, you look at it, Drew Dowdy. This is sort of a similar type of player in terms of where he was picked. And he comes out of the OHL, not the biggest guy, 6-1. He doesn't go first overall. He goes a little bit later, although I think if my memory serves me, he might have gone third or fourth. But like you said, Kent, with players like this who have this level of production,

getting them at nine as defensemen is exceedingly rare. A 96 point player in the OHL, if it was a whole goal. Yeah, probably goes down. He scored at a higher rate than San Monzek did in his draft. Oh, man. Right? Like, it's really something. In a tougher league, so that's something.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, Dowdy ended up going number two. In his draft year, Dowdy was actually below a point per game, which is kind of interesting in the OHL. But scoring was so different. and he had been above a point per game the previous year. But you look at it with Drew Dowdy, in the two seasons before he was drafted, collectively he scored 34 goals,

and Zane Perretti just scored 33. 33. In one season. And he led his team in scoring, right? I mean, Scott Niedermeyer is another player to think of. Like, that's going back a little while, but that level of offensive talent, he wasn't big. Yeah.

Niedermeyer was not a big guy, but he was that Romer extremely good everywhere on the ice and just impacted the game in an interesting way. Beyond just being big and top, right? It's going to be really fascinating. And the way that the draft is playing out, there are still some really good players available. I don't know if St. Louis has made its pick yet.

I don't think it has. So I think the most recent pick, still number 15, was that. Detroit picked Bransseg Nygaard. I didn't see that until just now. I had that. I had actually predicted that on the PlayStation mock. It just felt like such a Steve Eisenman type player.

And St. Louis is just going up to the podium now. Brand Seg and Nygaard. Ian heard in the chat saying, what's going on with Boomer and Pinder buggering off and leaving us with these two unwatchable clowns? Thanks, Ian. Appreciate the, appreciate the feedback. Hey, you know what?

I think they'll be back pretty shortly, but we're very happy to be here. And it's going to be a lot of fun. As the draft continues to go on. Brandtick Nagar, though, I believe he is the first Norwegian player ever selected in the first round of the NHL route. Hmm. Yeah.

Yeah, that sounds about right. So with St. Louis now coming up at pick 16, they have picked Adam Uricheck. And that is an interesting pick, too, because he missed a lot of his draft year this past year with an injury. And that's going to be something. I mean, there's been such a run on defense at some, in this first round.

That makes it, what, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven? Is that, I can't see if I'm counting right? I think that's six now to this point in the first round. He was a big dark horse, too. Like, he appeared all over draft. Yeah. Like, he could be top 20, top 10, but also 45. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, it's like, it's kind of like Aaron Kivy Haru, sort of the similar type of guy. Not a similar type of player, but just when you suffer that injury, your draft stock can go all over the place. So it'll be really interesting to see what ends up happening with these next few picks.

It's worth remembering. So the Flames have a second first round pick coming up, pick number 28. They picked a defenseman. Last year, obviously, they picked a left winger. Kent, you know, I don't know necessarily. Drafting by position is necessarily what you want. But what are you looking at for the flames?

pick 28 you know if there's a good centerman available i think they're going to look at that uh but it's such you know the the draft can go all sorts of ways in the latter half of the of the first round so there's there are some other pretty good defensemen that could be available around there so it wouldn't stun me if one of those guys is is there that they take them but yeah if there's a A C who's good? I think they might go that way. Yeah. I'm almost wondering, you know, because they've taken the defenseman, obviously.

A couple of years ago, they really mucked up taking, not taking, Lane Hudson with the, I believe, 61st overall pick or something around. His brother's available. He is available. And Cole Hudson is coming off a really strong season with the U.S. national team development program. There's a couple of defensemen with the national team development program. Hudson had a really big offensive year.

And then there's E.J. Emery. And he's a player who is a little bit less on the production standpoint. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him go in this first round. He's a six-three. I think he's a little bit lighter. I think he's maybe about 190 pounds. And he's a very good skater. But the production hasn't been there quite to the same extent.

But he set highs in pretty much every category at the combine, which is kind of interesting. I think his body mass percentages. like 3% or something. It's something crazy. It was him and Sam Dickinson tying for number one in that regard. So it'll be really interesting. Other names that I like down there, Andrew Basha is a WHO-HL score who grew up a Flames fan, really productive, would be a really interesting pick there. Teddy Stiga is another U.S. National Team Development Program type player. Really good production again. And then Michael Haig, somebody in the chat. That's the guy I was thinking of. Yeah, I had a feeling you were going to say him.

somebody in the chat just mentioned Michael Hague and it will be really interesting to see if he is still available. I don't think he will be. But Chicago Steel, you never know, really good production. I mean, you know, you look at it. 33 goals, USA, you know, and 57 games, I think. Yeah. So that's a solid pick potentially. Yeah.

Yeah. You might, you might have to move up in order to get Michael Hague, but it's hard to say. Yeah, it's going. I mean, they have to move up. have so many defensemen now in the system given they've traded almost exclusively for defensemen recently. Yeah, it would surprise me if they don't go forward here, but you never know with the draft board, right?

So center is my guess, but you're right, there is a handful of defensemen at that range who could be available and they go with. Oh, look who's back. We got Pike and Pipe and Fender. Pinder looks like he's been freshly watered. Did you borrow Boone's sunglasses? Uh, Mike. I don't know if you can hear me.

There we are. Look, many people have many sunglasses. It's not just one man that has sunglasses. And when you're in Vegas at the tail end of a five-day bender, you probably just feel a little comfier. There's also bright light shining in our face. Uh, not unlike the bright light I witnessed as I walked into hotel at six this morning, but here we are.

We're live streaming. It's the draft. We're excited. Uh, I know you guys have been sort of speculating about what might be around at 28. We got a dozen picks here. Like this is kind of a fool's area. I'd rather, if you guys don't mind, first I'm going to say,

we got the great clips inbox coming up. When Dino is back in the next 15, 20 minutes, we'll jump into that. But before we get there, I want your thoughts on the Mangapani swap. Yeah. The level of surprise you had around it. And now as you sort of zoom out, you know, the first 14 months of Craig Conner,

there's been some massive deletions. But even just Markstrom Mangapani, where are we feeling about, the absolute tear down to the studs. There are now just three skaters left from the Battle of Alberta series. It's Backland, it's Coleman, it's Anderson. Isn't that wild? And maybe Shillington of he resigns.

But it's, I mean, we talk about the change, but maybe let you guys tackle that trade we saw happen yesterday. And I guess the overall direction that Craig's pointed at this club. Go ahead, Cam. You want to go? Okay. No. Yeah, I mean, I've been a rebuild maximalist for a long time.

I think it's the right move. And I'm a big man, Japanie guy, like more than other people, because, you know, after his goal scoring kind of fell off over the last couple years, I still felt he was a guy who brought a lot of value at even strength, especially when he was paired with backroom. Like, that became, that was still one of the best even strike lines in the league last year, which is saying something, right? Because they, the coach went to them against all the hard minutes. and you know but he was never going to stick around like this was going to be his last year for sure

he wasn't going to be here so it made a lot of sense to get in front of that establish a market for him and move him um i'm in favor of it because i don't think they need him this year and i do think they need a second round pick so i i like the player but i still like the move as well Yeah, I agree. Just as an aside, Washington just picked Tariq Paris, who I know was a lot of people's perhaps favorite for 28. 28, yeah. From the Prince George Cougars, he's a very good player, good pick for them. And speaking of the Capitals, who just made that pick, yeah, I was kind of flush to see some of the reactions yesterday about the Mangapani trade, sort of painting it as not good for Calgary. I don't really understand it.

for me, I don't really understand it for Washington. I don't understand why they're trading a second-round pick for a 28-year-old player. For me, I was kind of half of the mind that Calgary might not be able to get anything for Andrew Mangiopani, quite frankly, after he scored 14 goals last season and 5.8 million. I mean, we saw just a couple of days ago, Detroit traded arguably its second best defenseman in Jake Wallman, and they had to move a second-round pick to get rid of him. So I... Yeah, but that was a terrible deal.

trade. It was a terrible trade. Let's not benchmark that. That's terrible move. I understand that. And it just didn't make any sense. But yeah, it's, it's, you don't know, right? You don't know what the trademark, especially for wingers.

People are always surprised by how little winger's return. And you look at it. People were saying, you know, you could hold on to Andrew Montepani, maybe trade them during the season and maybe you could get more. I would be shocked if they got more. I look at a guy like Jason Zucker, who did not. The coyotes didn't want to take on any money, so they didn't retain salary. And the flames didn't retain salary.

So it's kind of a cross. It's kind of a straight across comparable. And in that case, when they traded Zucker with no retention, they got a sixth round pick. And Calgary got a second round pick. And Zucker was making 5.3. Manjapani's making 5.8. So for me, you know, I think it's a clear win. And it's something that the flames had to do.

You know, seven players gone now in the last 12 months. It makes all sorts of sense. Mangapani is a good player, but there's an opportunity here for them to maybe go out in free agency and look in a winger who they like, who is similar. I know there's been lots of talk about Jake DeBrusk.

I think there's a lot of well-founded reason behind that chatter about Jake DeBrusk. I would not be at all surprised if Jake Debrusk is a flame on July 1st. He just bought a house here. There's a lot of chatter about that. But as for what the future holds for Mangapani, again, like I just don't get why Washington,

is giving up a second round player for a player, or a second round pick for a player who, quite frankly, does not fit with Hendricks LaPierre, Ivan Moro Shnecchenko, Connor McMichael, and now the player who they just picked.

Fellas, yeah. Sorry, everyone's waiting for a host to jump in here. So they've got six first, the next three years, fellas. They've selected one. There's five to go.

Just you've hammered the magic panty trade. But, I mean, for a guy that's been yelling rebuild at the top of your lungs, a while can't this this has to feel like it's actually happening and there was a lot of time that you wondered if the owner would ever have the appetite for it um i think the building probably helps that decision but i think Craig conroy's done what he's had to do he hasn't been fooled into adding to a group that wasn't good enough which i think at times bradcher living was when you look

at the uh certainly the hammock trade amongst some other free agent moves what do we see from here i don't know that i do think that de brusk makes sense here sell me on why that makes any sense for a group that's going to suck the next three years, Mike? Well, I mean, you know, I think you got to fill out a roster and I think it gives you a free asset. And I don't really see it as being all that different from when any other team that's in the midst of a rebuild makes any signing, quite frankly, because I don't think DeBresque is going to be the most highly sought after for the same reason that Manjipani wasn't the most highly sought after and why wingers all over. It's just because they are wingers.

And these secondary players, they go wherever they get the most money. And the flames have that flexibility. At what number do you say no? Because it's easy to just say, oh, yeah, go get guys. Wingers aren't worth much. And I know that DeBreska has a tiny bit of center in there. I think that you can, I guess, suggest that he could play a bit of the middle. But I just don't like, why collect someone turning, going into their 30s?

Like you could take an asset with a guy like that, couldn't you? If you're really, if you're screaming about all this cap space, aren't you smarter to take a Jeff Skinner and a first instead? Well, Jake DeBrusk is 26. Okay, so that's a good example then. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I'm suggesting that you, I think there's a very good chance that they get him on like a four-year deal, something like that that takes up the remainder of his 20s.

And I think, I think if that's the case, you're looking, you're maybe paying a premium. I think that's entirely possible where if this is a player who in a vacuum is worth $5 million, maybe you're getting him for six. but it's it's something where I just think the fit is there. Kuzmenko is probably gone within, you know, six months-ish. And quite frankly, you know, even though they have not been the most successful team recently, they also don't have a ton of really good winger prospects at this point. And, you know, they, I think even without Debrusk or with DeBresk or whatever,

they have the room for the guys who are on the doorstep already. They have the room for Pellche, they have the room for Coronado. because those guys were already in the lineup of the end of last. Mike, not to correct you. Yeah, Pike, jump in here. Not to correct you, Mike. He's 27 turning 28 in October. So you're getting the, if you do a four-year deal, you're starting to pay for his decline.

28, 29, 30, 31. Oh, yeah, right. The thing I just don't like about, I'm going to push back on you or they don't have any good forward prospects. They have good forward prospects at the wing. They just don't have great forward prospects. And the best way to block some of your best guys is to sign for NHO 4 is to block their way. I think that the biggest challenge they have right now is that, okay, where the hell's Peltier going to play? Agreed. Where the health of Coronado are going to play? I'm totally

where Sam Hansa going to play? And the example is, just hang on here, Mike. So the reason they move manjapani is exactly what Pike's talking about is they want to create room in the top nine for Coronado. You haven't even done that for Peltier if he's earned that spot. Yes, you have to have guys earn it. But I mean, when you look at this group, they'll, are they're already burdened with too many wingers that aren't dynamic. And if your job is to collect young assets and not be good and make sure you keep your pick in the top 10 next year, where does Jake DeBusk help any of that? He doesn't, you know, you already have enough veterans that are teaching kids to play the right way. You already have a glut on the wings. I could see them spending on a guy whose market

caves in a little if they're a centerman or a defenseman. I just see too many wingers already. Huberto is a winger forever. Coleman's a winger for the next three years. You know, clearly you've got Sharon Govich, who's a better player on the wing. Kuzmenko, you know, is probably a pump and dump candidate. I agree with you on that. But where the easiest thing to find in the league is wingers. I'm not going to go, you know, eat cap space for it.

You could, you could get, you know, like a McKayev for free with a second we've seen. I said Skinner. I'm just using examples of like, don't go pay the market price for Jake DeBrusk. Get a deal on him, sure. But don't outbid people for a middle six winger of which you already have too many. I'm going to jump in here because this is an interesting discussion. And as a rebuild maximalist, I think the team should be as bad as possible for the next few years. So I basically agree with you guys.

But the thing that I think that the org is going to go after, aside from like draft talent in the next few years, is players that want to play in Calgary, players that want to be. build a foundation in terms of culture here. Like they've taken it on the chin in the last few years with guys exiting. Like get me out of here. Zadarov didn't want to be here. You know, Godreau wanted to leave. Kachuk wanted to leave. They've been kicked in the nuts, quite frankly, as an organization as a market.

So when they have a guy who has, let's say a brand name to some degree with DeBrusk, who says, I'm picking Calgary as a UFA. And I'm going to be here. And he has to understand the assignment. when he gets here. We're not going to be good, man. You're coming here and you're going to be a veteran. You have to build, help us build a foundation to make this a winning organization. And I'm guessing that if that happens, they're going to have that discussion with him and say, listen, man, we're going to sign you, but you have to want to be here for what's going to happen here.

My other point that I want to make is that, you know, I'm not convinced that they traded Mangyipani solely to make that room. I think they think that room already exists. I just think with Mangapani, it was an instance of you're here one year out from him having his contract expire. And I think both sides realized there was no prolonging this.

It was, there just really wasn't a point into going into the season with that player on a lame duck contract. Okay, so play along with me then. So which of these players do you put on the fourth line so that Coronavis,

could get top nine minutes if he earns it. Do you put Huberto on a fourth line? Do you put Kuzmenko on a fourth line? Do you put Coleman on a fourth line? Do you put Sharon Govich on a fourth line? Do you put Posipal on a fourth line? Do you put Manjipani on a fourth line? That was what they were looking at.

So which of those players, as we talk about rebuild, can you put on a fourth line to allow Matthew Coronado, you know, the chance to play with skilled players and grow? Like, tell me which of those vets that's going to go over well with, Mike? Marty Pospasal. It's just the way that it goes. And I just, scratch, Huberto for all I care. Right.

But again, I think that sends the wrong message to Huberto, though. I don't care where he plays. I don't care where he were. It's fine. I think, I don't know if anybody, like, boy, we're getting crowded in here. I mean, with Pospisil, this is a guy who a year ago wasn't in the league. I mean, he had a good rookie year, but I think we also have to remember he had eight goals. I mean, this is a guy who is a good player.

He is also 24 going on 25. And he's not a core piece. I mean, for me, it's just something where if you can add a free asset to your organization, I don't really see the downside. And that's also, you know, accounting for the fact that Jacob Palté is coming off a kind of a disappointing season. Agreed. These guys have room. I think there is going to be room for these guys to play.

It's just a matter of you have to kind of keep your expectations and check. So signing Jake DeBresk isn't going to make or break your team. It's not going to drag you out of the top 10. It's about what it's about what it blocks you from being able to do. I'll say this internally, one, they love Martin Pospicil. Two, internally, I think they see Martin Pospicil as the litmus. Test sort of the prototype for what they want to build as a culture. Because I think he's a guy that he only got called up because when they wanted to make a shuffle,

Trent Cull basically said he's the guy who deserves the spot right now. and he turned he basically turned his entire pro career round with a good month in the hl and so if you diminish him unless his performance dictates it you're basically telling all the kids in the organization yeah if uh hello do we lose pike i like's keeping us in suspense could you can hear us yeah i can hear you i can hear me now yeah i can hear you am i dead no you're you're fine yeah so okay good so pike's point is just that But if you can't have the kind of breakout season that Pospisal had and break into the top nine, what exactly are we accomplishing here?

Is this not the exact time in an organization's life cycle where you should be able to reward young players with top nine minutes? Yeah. And we saw, we saw, look at the year Adam Klapka had. Look at the year William Stromegren had. You want to be able to, if you want to get this thing going to where they want it to go, you need to have the ability to reward your Pospasils, your Stromgrins, your Klapkas, with meaningful NHL reps for it to mean anything.

Otherwise, you're basically just twiddling your thumbs going, oh, great work, guys. Great work. Get on the fourth line. Yeah, I'm liking this camera shot. Let's go to Dean here because I think we've done the circles here. Do you know how many figures are you in? How are you doing with the origins there?

Oh, he's muted there. Oh, man. There we go. All right. It's a very good question you bring up, Ryan, because I'm ready to crack another one. I've got homegrown. I've got the Mexican logger.

I've got another raspberry, the Rockyford raspberry, or everyone's favorite, the Barnburner Blonde. It's quality. Which was, what's the across, what are you thinking, Ryan? You're kind of the beer pig. Okay, so the order was you went Barnburner to start and then the Rockyford Raspberry. I think it's, it's high time for a Mexican logger, sir. You need to, yeah, there you are.

Okay, very good. So Vegas just picked Trevor Connolly. This is an interesting pick and it makes a lot of sense for the ruthless. We don't care what people think Vegas Golden Knights. Connolly's a guy who based on skill alone, you could say was flirting with top 10ish, but there are massive red flags. This is not a character guy,

but Vegas don't give a shit. They got the culture, they got the room, they want the talent. This is a classic Kelly McCriman move here. I like our, I like our shot. Yeah.

I really don't. Yeah, that's, we need to get a little pull back a little bit on the, I'm just doing it right now. It's just, there we go.

Oh, poor Pike. No respect for Pike. Oh, we're looking at Pinder's nuts and we lose Pike. Wow, we got another camera. That's a shitty trade right there.

Yeah. That's a bad trade. Pinder's balls. Swim suit. Yeah, you should, you should see what he is wearing in the pool yesterday. Look that purple hat,

too. It's pretty good. more than I wasn't wearing. It's 42. There's not much to wear. All I know is HR is going to be getting the usual weekly text from me

about Pinder. Yeah. Did you get your sunglasses on a group deal or something? Mike, do you own some of that T-moor or whatever it is? They're nice. I like them.

I got a truckload full of them. I got like 100 pairs. Yeah. Yeah. I got a bunch of them. Are we, now again, look, we shocked. Cole Eisenman hasn't gone because everyone said there's some warts in the game,

but he's the best pure shooter in the draft and we're deep into a first round now. Yeah, I think that's absolutely accurate. You could have suggested he would slide, but to say that he's in the 20s, I don't think people would have said that's legit. I think his bet way over under was around 14 and a half. So his slide is now bigger than William's slide, which was the biggest prior, I believe. He is having a better season than Matt Coronado did in his draft year. and Matt Coronado went to Calgary at, what, 13? Yeah.

And Izerman, I mean, he's having one of the best, like, goal scoring season, period. Yeah. But doesn't that tell you everything, though, guys, that while he scores 57 goals or whatever it is, he slides out of the top five into, like, the teens on all these lists, and now he's into the 20s. Like, we love your shot. They like the rest of the hockey. It's everything else we did. We really don't care for.

Did you see, I broke Cole Cofield's goal score? I score. goal of the game. We did see that. We also saw everything else. Yeah. He's a he's a challenging Google. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's a dad dad and the kid were in the garage a lot growing up. Working that shot kid. Working that shot. Maybe the crossovers. Maybe, you know, maybe some power skating. Now we lost Pinder and my more of my fat head now. I'm enjoying watching RJ Swat here. It's keeping his mind off the lack of Tija Gintla in flames uniform. All I know is his frame picture of Tija Gindler has been placed face down on his

workstation. Sorry, real quick. Iserman is available and I believe the Islanders are next. Is that not like scream fit? Like the market, they don't score enough. Like that feels like such a spot for him to land.

The Islanders forever have been, we're old. We can't score a lot, but maybe we can Sorokin our way to the playoffs. It reminds me of when they picked Atu Ratu back in, two or three years ago. And he was, you know, there was a point in time where he was expected to go number one.

And the Islanders, I don't think, didn't have a pick until the second round. And so they made that pick because they could afford to take it on a faller. Was Ratu? That highly touted? Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. And you know where his brother plays.

His brother is Utah. I had a feeling you'd say that. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Very good. Oh, boy. Archie. Hey, look at us.

Look at this motley crew. Yeah. You know what's kind of funny is going left to right. We all kind of have like, it's like the rainbow. Pike's the red one. I kind of have an orange background. Kent's got a yellow one. You're kind of green boom.

Hey. Pinders wear a blue hat. Some people would just say it's five white dudes. It's the same whole way. Cool. He's under the island. Yeah. This is, this is the diversity of the hockey media.

Okay. Nice. I'm sad I don't have a beer. That's a you problem. That's not a problem. That's a shit. Planning. Kent and I got the salt and pepper in the beard.

Pinder does. Just he dies his. He gets it dip. I don't know if I need to go for a dip. I got the old Jim Benning black ink. Do you remember Benning's die job at the draft that one year? That's so much. He just came out looking like Count Chalky.

Like this son of a kid. There's not feeling anyone. The thing I miss most about Jim Benning is the, I'd say this. There's some very, very creative, wonderful people in Vancouver sports media. And one of them did that webcomic called Benning on Empty. It was spectacular and I miss it so much. Yeah, it was basically a comic strip where Benning is just like this oaf and all the people of the order like just trying to stick handle this idiot that makes all these decisions.

Benning on empty. I guess just on a serious note, because like we say, Cole Eisenman does go to the Islanders. 58 goals in 57 games, 89 points with the national development team. He's got all they say, NHL goal or NHL shot, NHL goal score right out of the out of the shoot how and we're in the first round it's not like he fell to the fifth or sixth round but it feels like a it feels like a slide what what is it about this guy's game because you if you can score you can do the hardest thing in the game you hear it all the time we'll teach him how to play d we'll teach you how to play a 200 foot game you can't

teach what he's already got natural they they need to teach you how to play d the the big thing was The term that was used by someone I talked to was glaring challenges defensively. He is a one zone dynamo, but he might be one of the better players in the draft in that one zone. And I didn't really love his response to the slide. He says, I still think I'm a top five player in this draft. And maybe that's just a guy, you know, believing in himself. But I don't know. It sort of plays into my fears of the large ego goal scoring American at the program.

Is there something there? I don't know. We're kind of grasping the straws here. but I just didn't love the, you know, I got to work at it. He's like, no, no, no, I'm still the shit. Trust me on this one. I was like, we'll see. Yeah, what I heard about him was like grossly uninvolved,

like, unless he's scoring grossly uninvolved in the play. So I'm like, okay. It's a lot of good descriptors, just not in your favor. Shockingly bad. I'm trying to think of who the comp is. Like, who are we talking about here? Is it like the Jonathan Chichu 56-Cole year? What is this?

Who was the guy? I'm drawing a blank. The Oilers took him. The Oilers took him in round one. They ended up, he went to the Islanders. Robert Nielsen. No. No, no, no.

I know what you're talking about. But he was a goal score. Rob shrimp. Rob shrimp. Right. Tons of skill. Yeah, Robbie shrimp. It was.

Slides down the first. Slides down the trap. But man, this guy can shoot it. He's. And what was it about him? Well, you know, the, the defensive side, maybe the skating needs some improvement. And he never was able to. take and transform that skill

that he had in junior to the NHL. Josh Hossang vibes, anyone else? Is that sort of similar? Maybe. All I remember is, Kent, you probably remember this because you're old like me. I remember the year,

the year that Shrimp got drafted, there was that infamous post, I forget where it was, but I know it was, it's been kicking on Calgary puck for years. The 600 goals, 600 goals, 1,300 points mean,

yeah, it's like basically, as soon as Rob Shrimp got drafted, they're like, we see a Kimmel numbers out of this guy. And like, I, I feel so bad for like, the guys who have these crazy offensive numbers in their draft year, I feel kind of bad for them because pro hockey is so difficult. And you're basically, you're, if you're getting kicked in the stomach your first year when you're playing against men and you don't really know what to do when you're not scoring. Yeah.

And like we saw that, actually, I would say we saw that a bit this year with Coronado where October Coronado, I think he basically admitted to me at the end of the season that his first month in the NHL is kind of a wake-up call for him. And like, okay, what am I supposed to be doing when I'm not around? And we saw he made some progress. But yeah, like just the, every time I hear crazy offensive numbers, I think 600 goals, 1,300 points and just go, oh, God, you don't want, you're hoping none of these kids is a punchline in 20 years.

My one glorious year. No, I was just saying my one glorious year in Evanston was one of the years he was trying to break camp. And McTavish did not want him on the team. And I don't know, maybe somebody upstairs, wanted them on the team just every day was asking these questions to rob shrimp the media do you think it's fair to say that players need to go to the american league do you need to go and ply your crap you need to learn how to be a pro all these questions and he just said every day it's like no i think if you're

good enough you should make the team and then they'd ask me tabish about it and and he wouldn't really it was like there was just this weird pissing match between the coach and the player geez like directly almost in front of each other but just outside of earshot it was very weird and it never did. Spend Barcy. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I remember Brian Berks, there's three zones on the ice one liner about Sven.

Yeah. It wasn't wrong, but there's nicer ways to say that. He wasn't wrong. They just needed Niederriteriter. It would have unlocked them, right? That's what it was. Got to go get Niteriteriter. I felt for Sven. Spend's a great kid. I was an abister when he was there. And I think the world of the human.

And, you know, there was some stuff happening back in Switzerland that wasn't fun that he was going through family-wise. And I kept waiting for him to, for it to happen. It just didn't. Guy we talked about earlier, Michael Hage, the center out of Chicago, the USHL goes to Montreal. Wow.

That's a nice pick. Very nice. Yeah. Yeah. So injured 20, 22, 23 season, elite hockey sense. And then he came back and just was powerful skater and looked tremendous coming back. Going to the University of Michigan.

Michigan. So maybe this is our chance to get into the great clips inbox. We've got five of us here. If you've got any questions or comments for us, you can direct them to Dean Kent, uh, gold or either of the Ryan's here. But,

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Okay. Question. Fire it in there. What do we got? Okay. Who are we hoping for? Let's go around the hornier. I'm sadly off the board.

Love if they get Teage at 28. Don't know how they could do it, but I would like it too. There's no rules saying you can't draft Jade again, La. I don't know that Jade's... I think there might be some rules. I'm not sure. Good luck. Yeah.

How old is Jade? She's 20. She's still age eligible. Okay. All right. Age eligible, that's fine. Don't know that's going to happen, but all right. Is there a pet sort of favorite pick that Kentor, Mike, that you have at 28?

We talk about like Muse, Basha. Who else is out there? Green tree still on the... Yeah, great to you. It's just very surprising. What about mustard? Because I do like mustard. Colonel?

John mustard. Right? Like if you draft a guy like mustard. I'm going to like that a lot. Yeah. He goes with everything. And if he doesn't make the team, we can ask Craig, why'd you cut mustard? Yeah.

Why'd you cut the mustard? It's great. It couldn't be cut mustard. Yeah. Oh, if I had the shovel right now, we'd all be getting it. A ting, tang, tang, tang. If we're going to do bologna fest, we need mustard on the squad for sure. I mean, I, for me, I know what you say.

that it was a question for the other guys. It's, I mean, we're so deep into it here to pretend that there's a name that, um, yeah, well, there's just certain guys that you might dream.

I know, Pike, you'd have some that you, you really, like Hage was one we just talked about. Your, seven picks away from him getting to you there. He's gone now,

but there's, there's certain guys you can dream of. I know there's the six foot seven center that plays at St. Augustine College north of Toronto is, uh, really intrigued a lot of people off to Boston college next year, two points a game in the, the,

the AAA 18 league and in their, you know, collegiate prep school league. He was a well over a point of game. Like there's there's certain you know types of players you can covet that come around at 28. I mean, the other Norwegian kid, Steen Solberg has been a big riser this year. And you're the flames got a toolsy offensive minded right shot D. So why not complete the set? Don't mind that. Yeah, there's a bunch of defensemen who I like quite frankly.

I mean, I know they obviously got one already. But I like soulberg. I like E.J. Amory. I like Jesse Polkinen, who is a re-entry, but really good production in the Finnish U20 league this past season and played a bit in the league of too. Now, obviously, him being 19, you would kind of hope so, but there are a lot of people who think he could be a late first round pick. There are a lot of people who think he should be a high second round pick, but, you know, one of those three defensemen, the forward crop is kind of thinning out a little bit. I like Andrew Basha. I like Teddy Stiga, but, you know, it's hard to say at this. point who the best player available is because everybody has different lists. Yeah. No question. And just looking if you wanted to get specific with centers, oddly enough, John Mustard would fall into that category. But there's kind of been a run.

Luchenko went earlier, obviously. Sasha Boisvare goes, because I just feel like still, the flames feel like they've sure got a lot of guys who are playing center that maybe are more natural. I agree entirely. You look at the center depth that you, like hardcore, I'm an actually center that are N. R. Chalers, they have two. It's Caudre and Backland. They're both in their mid-30s.

They don't have a center in the pipeline that I think you can say will be a top three center in the NHL. They have a desperate, glaring need for center to the point where they played Sharon Govich. They're out of position this year. How many centers do they have right now have played a full year as a professional at center? Here's the list. Cadrey, Backland, Rooney. And Rooney, to me, is Quade. I don't know that he makes a cup contending team as their fourth-line center. Like they have two centers, guys. They need centers.

Yeah. One other guy who I like is Merrick Vaneker. Sorry, I just, yeah, he is, he's really interesting because he's a relatively late birthday in April. And he played on a Brantford team this past season that was okay, but not very, not great. He led them in scoring by a lot. He had 37 goals, I think, 36 goals, 82 points in 68 games. That's a full 16 points more than anybody else.

So that's kind of the profile that you're kind of hoping for in the late first. but again, could go anyway. Yeah, and the guy I mentioned, I didn't even mention his name, silly. Dean Laterno is the kid at prep school, who's six, seven tools for days like Brian Boyle, but maybe a little more upside. There's your middle six centerman who's huge

and has some nice offensive touch. And as I said, off the BC next year, this is a very intriguing project already at 250 pounds. And when you have nine picks in a draft and you've already taken your high offensive ceiling defenseman, maybe you can roll the dice on a project guy like that.

He might not be there right away. I'm getting Mark Jankowski flashback. Yeah, I know. He's a bit of a project. He's out of high school. He's going to call. He's big. Do we need to get the big and local

Venn diagram because he's big, but he's not local. And if we're going there, Zeme Perak is neither big nor local. He's not small. And yeah, like, it screams, is Jankowski. It's prep school. Most people haven't heard of St. Augusta College, even though I believe.

Is that not where. Thank you. San Andrews. So, Sack. Sorry, that's my bad. And then last year was it not, didn't the kid that played, they drafted out of Penticton in the third round. He played there the year prior year. Yeah. I, Adar Sunni. So you know, UMass freshman Adar Sunni. Yeah. So there's, they're starting to churn out some players there. That's one of the more highly toted academies in the country. But yeah, like the Jancowski one is just next level crazy because no one even knew there was high school hockey in Quebec. Like this,

this is an established program with guys that have been drafted in the last few years and more coming. I only really care about Dean Latterno if there's a fun story about someone driving through a snowstorm, you know, white out snow, getting turned around. We need a, we need a foundational myth about the player for the, I mean, I mean, he's very good, he's big and he's, he's the kind of guy that, you know, scouts late midseason,

we're starting to go like, have you heard about this big guy out of Ontario? He's amazing. So there's, you know, with the comparisons to Jan Kowski, I think are, you know, very tongue and chic, not meant to disparage the player, but you can't ignore the similarities. Okay. Off the board here for Nashville. They take Igor Stern, who is ranked 22nd in European skaters in the final ranking. Yeah, he had an extremely good playoff, extremely good playoff in the MHL. Is that what it is?

Yeah. Yeah, that's what it is. because he flashed in some way, shape, or form. He was 20th at the, he actually fell, was 20th in Central Scouting among international players, and then fell to 22, 6-1-197, a center with Yaroslavl. So I'm not sure if anyone's keeping track. Are we on a run of centers here?

It feels like the bit. Center Rukchenko, Helenas, Hage, and you said it's Surin? Yeah. Or Sorin. On the blended consensus list, he's 35th, just outside the first round. he is a first rounder on probably about a third of the rankings,

peaked at 19th by Cory Promen, second rounder with everybody else, but he's sort of kind of a late 20s guy sort of in that ledge. So it's kind of a reach, though, compared to the rest. And I'd say this, if you had these Russian players going to the U-18s and being eligible to play in World Juniors and you could see these guys more,

I kind of think, you know, this is baked into some of these Russian guys, lower rankings because scouts are just weary. They haven't seen enough. It's a little bit of video, not enough eyeball. Don't get to see them against the type of competition you want to see, which would be, you know, the Americans, the Canadians, the Finns, the Swedes. Russians

are tough to evaluate because of that NHL league is just such an absolute Wild West. Some teams are brutal. Some teams are loaded. It's a tough league to evaluate in. And if this guy could have gone to some international tournaments, you'd probably feel more comfortable putting them, you know, I guess where Nashville has them here. This to me is

a full instance of just picking for birthday as a big part of it because he's an August birthday. It's one of the youngest guys available. Yeah, when you get a guy like that who not only has sort of his profile, wherein he's a bit feisty, he had over 100 penalty minutes in the, in the MHL this year in addition to being over a point per game. It reminds me of when Nashville picked Zachary Leroux, a very similar type of sort of piss and vinegar type player.

So it'll be interesting to see Barry Trots is kind of putting his stamp on this, but it's, it's an interesting pick. Uh, should we get to another question here, Dio? good idea. Can I ask a question in the great question? Yeah, let's go. Yeah, yeah. Of the yeah, yeah, of the crew. Yeah, go. Just upon my, you know, perusal today on social, the talk out there of the flames talking about a Nazim-Cadry deal. What's our, what's our thoughts? I don't know if it's necessarily the appetite. Does anyone have the appetite? More about the likelihood and what possible fit exists where a trade makes sense for the flames. I,

I think if you eat enough money and whatever, you can maybe make it appetizing for some other teams. But I just wonder how do we see this trade. I'll go first. I think if you had no. Of course you will. You can't help yourself. I had four other fucking guys and you've got to jump.

Go ahead. I'll go first. I'll go first. Well, here's the thing. Chewing my arm off to get to. Let me tell you. If you're looking at where they are in their life cycle, we understand that.

Nazim Kadri, the reason he signed in Calgary, what you brought him in to do, and when he's going to seriously decline, this does not match what this team is trying to do. We know that. If there's any sort of way, you can get out from under the remaining $35 million, you absolutely do it. This is a no-brainer for the Calgary Flames. The challenges for me trying to find another team that wants to pay this guy until he's 39. I just don't see that.

34, 35, 36, 37, 38. Okay, so he'll, he's almost 39. which team is itching for a half decade of mid-30 Nazim Qadry? So, I mean, that's the question, right? So we get, so what? So find, find the fit, right? I can't.

I don't think there's a GM that's dumb. It's five years that carries you to almost 40. What are we talking about? It's happening here. I think there might be a trade going down. Toronto's on the car. They got the guys in suits. The guy.

Oh. It's Nazim Khadri for first. Wow. Godry getting traded right now. Someone made the joke today. They were saying, oh, yeah, like get Tavares out of here. He's washed. He's 33.

Same people. Go get Nazim Khadri. He's 33. I just saw David Ludwig walking away. He's Utah's assistant GM. So that would be interesting if something happens there. Toronto needs D and D in a bad way. And tree's not getting up.

Interesting. Trade alert. Trade alert. comes. Yeah, there it is. All right, well, there's what. All right, predictions. I think.

Is it a bit of Anaheim? 23 to Anaheim. They have 31 for 31 and 58. So Tree's going to get some more picks here. And this is the part of the draft where this feels like the Connor Zeri draft year thing, where he just kept sliding back because these guys are all in the same box here. We're now just, everyone's list is different. I'll slide back and get the guy like anyway.

Huh. Interesting. I wonder what Anaheim is this just easy enough to, if they have a plethora of picks and they move up? Or is there some, you know, I always wonder if it's that wide open, who would they, we'll find out. Well, you like a guy, right?

The doctor on the clock. Okay, someone who isn't pindered, talk about potential cadre. Okay, I'll go ahead. Before I do, I, my prediction is this going to be Solberg to Anheim. But with, with, with Godry, it just, it makes sense. You, you bring in a guy who at the time you thought he was, signing up to be part of a contending team and he's two years into this contract and quite frankly seven million for what nasm cadry brings i don't think is excessive i think if codry was a free agent

today you might see a team give him five years at seven million you might even see a team give him more uh so it would be really interesting to see because i think if you're looking we've seen two years ago in the blueprint of how a team builds cadry is kind of an ideal number two center if you want to win the stanley cup so we're give us a team if it makes sense because you're making a compelling case. Give us a team that would do it. I would love to see Colorado go for him. I think it makes a whole lot of sense. They've got a whole lot of unknowns, but who knows?

I mean, they did get Casey Middlestadt, but is he a center? Is he a winger? I don't know. Honestly, Toronto kind of makes sense, but they don't have the cap. That's the tough reality. That's the whole thing. The whole thing is the contract. That's the problem for moving up. It's not the players. It's better than a lot of team's second line center. It's not that.

It's a half decade. All right. Yeah. It's really, it's really difficult. Boston makes a lot of sense, but I think they're going to go for Elias Lentholm. You can't really know without more coming out. And there hasn't really been a whole lot coming out because it's all kind of speculative at this point about even if the flames will even be willing to trade them. So who knows.

But it just makes a lot of sense purely from an asset standpoint. Kent, what do you see? I mean, I think anyone over 25 on this roster should be auctioned off. So if you find. a taker who's going to give you something for cadre i think you should do it i mean pender's point is well taken though like who can do that right now given the cap is there somebody who's like yeah and they might have to give you a bad contract back in order to make it happen so does that make it worth worth it for calgary that's the questions but they should be tendering people out like

Codry and saying he's available. What can you give us for? Pike. Yeah, I'll say this. One Colorado has 10.5 million dollars in cash space and they need to. They need to.

Sorry, Mike. They have 10 spots to fill. What's going on, Mikey? Solberg. Is the pick? Look at this. It makes sense. There's been a guy in the chat who's been kind of ripping me this whole stream

and he was saying if he hoped he hoped I was wrong so I would shut up. Maybe you should shut up, my friend. That's right, man. You should shut up. There you go. And all I'm going to say is we'll send you his personal email for a donation to the Ryan Pinder Retirement Fund. Yeah, I think for the problem with, like a lot of the ones, A, okay, here's a couple of things.

One, if the idea, if you take Craig its face value on the culture, culture, culture thing, there's a handful of guys you really want to have around to establish how you need to play as a Calgary flame and I'd probably put Cadry amongst that list. You wouldn't have a year ago but you would after this season. Especially like I'll give, I'm willing to give him a bit of a pass on year one based on just the cup hangover and the physical toll

took in his body. The last year I think he's been everything you'd hope he would be, especially with the young guys. So I think you want, go ahead. And the other thing is just, I think for him it's basically do you want to be here? Because if he wants to be here, he could be a really important piece for them.

And, you know, he's a guy that he can, you know, Backlands 35, at some point, Backland's game will fall off a cliff at some level. So you kind of need to have some veteran guys to insulate your kids, especially considering right now we don't think they have a third center in the organization. Yeah, we're just talking about it. So if you're going to be teaching Zari, Hansik, whoever,

you kind of need to have some NHL centers to do that. And you also can't have the team get blown out every night. And have the odd and the team kind of keeps you afloat. You could strip it right bare and have guys that aren't NHLers playing in the NHL, but that's probably not the best course of action. I just want to pick up one thing that Gold said there. And I'm curious. Cap goes up.

Percentage of cap. That all changes every year. Yep. Is it farfetched to think someone would sign him to a five, year seven million per deal July 1? I'm trying to think of someone his age that's got a deal like that. I haven't seen it. Pavelsky?

The last few years. Three years. Yeah, but what was his A.A. And how much? But I'm just saying, five years. I haven't seen a 34 year old gets signed to a five year deal. You don't tend to see these types of guys become available at this specific age. I mean, with Pavelsky, what?

How old was he? 36? Yeah. It's not far off. It was a three year deal. Two extra years. So he's 34. No, but so again, there are.

players that are good players at this point, but you're betting against aging curves. Teams are smarter than they used to be. Who doesn't think there's massive decline coming in the next five years for Nazim Kodry? Please raise your hand. Another trade, man. I'll jump in quick. 24 goes to Utah. There's the conversation you saw. For 38 and 71.

Mike, you want to forecast the pick here to? Yeah, Mike. Call on. Mike, who are they taken? I had a feeling Utah was going to get involved. when I saw a loadwig up by the registry, but I don't really know. They needed a fenceman.

Oh, this is going to be E.J. Emery. I almost guarantee it. I mean, if you get this. If you get it wrong, that guy in the chat gets to rip you again. That's the thing, right? And to be fair, this is Mike's Wheelhouse. He's been the biggest coyotes honk outside of it, maybe even in the state of Arizona.

He's been all over this team. Yeah. Enough tweeting about the coyotes. What the hell's out all those? Yeah. Now he's going to start tweeting about the Oilers. No. The Oak Tox Oilers.

The Oak Tox Oilers. They're a good team. Emery would be interesting. That's a guy we've talked about with the 28 hole for the Flames. I really got some anecdotes there. I just saw somebody in the chat. Just by the way, I saw somebody in the chat saying, is there a retention rule that can kick in only for the first couple years? No, it's got to be.

No, it's all. It's uniform. If you hold any money, it stays for the entirety of the contract. Yeah. You can't just eat half for one year. or something like that. If we're talking about retaining salary here now, that deal becomes so much more complicated

when there's five years left on a guy. And when you guys get over 35, there's also punishment for retirement and things like that. And you got to have those retention slots. You get three of them a year, but that doesn't mean you can make. That one trade would take up one of them for all five years.

Correct. It's a complicated deal. I do believe that Cadre would upgrade a lot of teams, and I do believe he's worth seven. It's just the term. That is the great hangout for, for, I think, GMs. And to add some context, if say, let's say, by the year, by 2027, 28, he's hit, the age has hit him, and you buy him out.

Retained salary transactions also have a split buyout. Oh, yeah, that could cost you. So you'd probably want to appoint that if you can for longer term deals. Now, is he signing bonus heavy or is he uniformly paid? Because if he's a tougher buyout, that makes even a harder trade rate. He has six million bucks left in signing bonus money over the last five years of it's mostly salary. We saw that happen with Ekman Larson when Vancouver bought him out Arizona.

It was a really tricky one. Yeah, that was. And they didn't even retain all that much. It was only about 12%. Yeah, they brought him down from 8 to like 6.1 or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm really interested in the chat.

I'm empty here. I got to go get one here. Yeah. Go ahead. I don't have a drink. I got him getting enough. another caffeine-free diet. Yeah, get another caffeine-free, whatever it's working.

Tollberg. Go do what you need to do. So, Pike, get me up to speed. What did he do? Did he go and buy a bucket of beer? Or because he disappeared in there. He literally, yeah, he went downstairs. I don't, he, and then he emerged with beers for, for RJ and I.

So, uh, we, we were, we were saying, Dean, what the hell? We thought there'd be beer. And he provided. So I have no complaints. He's not completely useless. mostly, but not completely. All right, so Solberg goes to Anaheim, and you've got Amory here. I would be, I would not be surprised.

It just, it makes sense because they need a right shot defenseman. And they went forward with the ginnla, as we know. They went forward with Tejjj and they love their big boys. They got Demetri Seimachev last year. If you call this, you have to do the rest of the show by yourself. It's just be you. Yeah, we'll just turn our microphones off. You'll just all drink.

Yeah, exactly. Cole Baudoin. Oh, man. Oh, all this credibility. And we should drop Gould from the, from the screen, add the chirper from the comments.

We'll see, we'll let him prognostigate some pictures. These guys don't know what they're talking about. I got lucky on that one. I don't love that for Utah. I don't love it, but it's whatever. 24th overall. What do we know about Baudoin? He's kind of a,

Kind of a two, three type center if he pans out. It's okay, but it's not the pick that I would have made. 31 on the consensus rankings, mostly late first, early second for on the list. His peak was on. I love the audio kit cut out just as long as taking a sip of that delicious. Caffeine free comes zero. Hey, you know what? It's good.

It's good. It was on sale at the same point tonight. No. It's good. It's got no caffeine in it. It's awful. That's terrible. I get it.

You know the Wendy's machines. No coffee, no caffeine, no caffeinated beverages ever. No, I try not to. I don't think Pike knows that we can't hear him. He's just saying it out. He absolutely doesn't know. I says here on the total

prospect say that Boduan has he has size 13 feet and guys, you know what that means. So he's going to really pan out. Big Skates. Oh, man.

You guys suck. Oh, hi. It's okay, Mike. Real quick, you know, you mentioned the Colorado to Utah swap there. What did Colorado get back? Was it just more picks?

38 and 71. Thank you. Okay. Interesting. 24. I think that's what it was. So someone went from 38 to 24, and all they had to do was throw in a third.

Is that what I'm hearing? So at the flame, have a guy they like right now. It wouldn't cost much to move up at this point. Brian's possible. It's wrong. Four point that. Okay. Well, the four picks out right now is I guess that's the undisputable fact. Lost in L.A., Carolina, Calgary.

I feel like at this point, the best case scenario is Calgary gets a really good winger. And I just I don't see a whole lot of good centers left. And it just comes back to Basha and Bannaker for me. But we'll see. Bash is a great story, guys. Glenn Lake, his old man owns the garrison, which is a pub blocks from our student.

and he played a really gritty checking role as a 16-year-old on this medicine hat club, but is really shown some nice flashes of offense. And that's a really fun team to watch. They have Lindstrom and then, of course, the megastod Gavin McKenna, who's likely to be the first overall pick in 2026. Give us some more on Basha. I really like Basha in my viewings of him. He's just, I don't know if he has the highest skill ceiling,

but he's going to outwork pretty much anybody on the ice with him. And, like, he's a guy that I think a lot of the scouts showed up to, scout Caden Lindstrom and came away going Yeah, Lindstrom was as good as we thought But what that was Bash a kid? He kept, you always notice him And like he's one of those guys that, you know, he does so many little things well.

Like, again, he's not clashy. He's not super high skill ceiling. But he's just, there's so many things he does well that by the end of a game watching him, you have like a half dozen, you know, bullet points saying, hey, that's kind of cool. Oh, that's kind of cool. He's just, he's a, I think he's a kind of player that NHL coaches were really like.

I like him. I wouldn't be disappointed if they draft them. My only concern is when you get these guys who are playing with these generational players. Greg Nemis? You mean like Greg Nemis? That's kind of, you know, more recently, I'm kind of thinking like Dimitri Zavgarodny, playing with Alexei Lafranier. It's that sort of thing.

I would think that the difference here, though, is that this is a guy that doesn't have to be a point producer to be successful. When you're drafted in Nemis or Zavgaradne, you're probably trying to look for offense. He's proven at a 16-year-old age that he could be a guy. good checking player. And Pike talked about the motor. Like, I feel like that's a guy where if there isn't offense, you still, oh, boy, he'd be a great third, fourth liner, which isn't sexy in the first round, but it's an NHL player. This is the range where you can swing and absolutely miss a nod of an NHL or now. This is where I'm thinking, you know, if it comes down to Basha or a guy like E.J.

Emery and all things being equal. And I'm just, I'm just thinking, you know, if you're looking at, you hope a guy is a second third line winger, or if you hope a guy ends up being a second pair defenseman. I kind of might lean the defenseman, but it's just, it's so difficult. And with, with Emery, the lack of offense is a real concern. And it's something that you can't overstate. You can skate, but it's, it's always going to be a risk. Whereas with Basha, you might be more comfortable with that, but it's just hard. Some other guys off the central scouting, just kind of looking, because with Boisvare going, Liam Green Tree. Yeah, Green Tree is a big one. He was, he's at 14. This is a familiar name for Flames fans.

Rider Richie, Byron Ritchie's kid, is in there. And there's a couple names that you've thrown out there as well, Pinder. Yeah, I like the Dean Laterno is an interesting project slash prospect. And we'll be thrown right in against, you know, men-ish characters at Boston College. You can kind of dream on certain body types and maybe they're never players, but a six-foot-seven center that's putting up offense, that's really, you know, even if the offense fades away, that's a nightmare matchup potentially.

We'll see. Yeah, Ryder Ritchie played with Tija Ginla, I believe. He was who you were talking about, right? Rider-Ritchie, Prince Albert, I think. No, but at the Rink Academy. Yeah, oh, sure, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I called a few of their games together back when they were playing there. They very interesting player.

You know, going back to Green Tree, So he's never been a player who I focused on all that much because I just wasn't interested in the flames taking him at nine. But the fact that he's falling this far, I've talked on this show already about how players on bad teams who put up numbers way above anybody else on that team are kind of an interesting value bet. And when you look at Windsor this past year, they were awful really, really bad. And he had 36 goals, 90 points. Second on the team, 66 points. I mean, it's a huge, huge, huge gap.

Like, this is the guy who's being elevated by his linemates. And just a quick, just for clarity, when we're talking about Rider Richie, I know people, there is a hot poop is very concerned. No more Richies, please. This is not Nick Richie. This is totally different. I understand why they can. A cold sweat, I get it.

You got to think of the convenience, though. They can just give the evidence. Yeah, you don't have to create new, like you use the same gloves and stuff. It's perfect. Speaking of names, has everybody already forgotten about Kyle Green Tree? I mean, come on. There's a good farm hands. He actually went on to have a really good age occur outside of the Flinch.

He played for the Flames. He played a few games at the Flames. There you go. A few, yes. Yeah, he was, I just remember he was big and not much else. Liam Green Tree's big too, though. Yes, he is. Yeah, he's six three.

Junior numbers for sure. 2-11. A Boston. on the board, Dino, or is that where we're out here at 25, three picks away? At the podium. Okay. Let us know when you know. Yeah, Sweeney's talking now.

This is interesting. I have no idea what Boston's going to do. Damn it, Mike. No idea. We're relying on you. There's the Turner. They're big center. There you go.

So he'll go Boston College to the Bruins organization. That's interesting. Right under their nose next year. Wow. From BC to the Bs. I'll be honest. I'm glad the flames didn't take them. I was, I mean, at 28, I'm glad, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I, I, and he might go on to be a great player, but just the value bet with taking a kid out of prep school and the first grade prep school. It's really tough. I don't know what the audience would be for, but I would, I would pay to watch like a live stream of the draft with just, you know, not, not necessarily Mike, but a couple drunk guys just ripping all the kids. Like, oh, man, you know, he could have turned to be good.

I think he might suck. That's what this could be right now. Yeah. Yeah. 20 to 32. Hey, all I know is, guys,

expansion is going to make this draft longer and longer. So in a year or two, we might just be like, just, just well into it by like the 30s or 40s. Yeah, there's us morphing into Stadler and Waldorf already. And then there's the end of the first round.

This is just getting nasty, Dean. I thought we already, you guys are Stadler and Waldorf. I'm Beaker. I believe that we'd established that Kent is Dr. Bunsen Honeydew. And I don't remember which Muppet we decided on for Mike's Kerman for Mike.

Mike could be Kerman. He's got big Kerman energy. That might be it. There's some Kermit energy there. Yeah. There's no miss piggy, so we're fine. And Pinder could be animal. Yeah, sure.

Yeah, I can see. Fancy myself more like Rizzo the rat or something. I don't know. Kermit's kind of weird. I've all watched the Muppet show. Yeah. RJ has no idea what we're talking about. Yeah, yeah.

It's not a Disney product. Mike knows the The Muppet Show. Oh, yeah, of course. Actually, it is on Disney Plus. The movies, there were new movies that came out like when I was a kid, when I was like 11. The ones with the same. Yeah, that's right. It's not the same.

The new Muppet movies. No. RJ could be, who's the producer, the guy who, like, runs the show? That's scooter. Scooter runs the show. Pike? That's right. There you.

Wow. learning some things today. Mike coming through. Every backup. Benson Honeydew. We got a doctor, Bunsen honeydew. Dr. Bunsen.

What about the Swedish chef? Does that fall in anywhere? Borski. You were allowed to do that or is it slandering the Swedes too much? Hey, I think the Swedish chef is a positive role model for people. He's very positive indeed. There's been a request.

I'm not sure. We do have a little bit of downtime here. Pinder needs to do his bubbles. Is there a chance we can get a, a Bubbles impression? Yeah. Okay, yeah. All right.

I forget how many questions we ended up doing in the great question. Do you need a topic? Do you want a topic for bubbles before? Well, yeah. Like, is bubbles at the podium with Gary. You know what? Bubbles is upset. Bubbles is upset.

The Teague again, Lewent to Utah and wasn't there for the flames. Boys? Rick and Teague. Stupid Utah hockey club. He's right there, a couple picks away. Ricky.

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I'm waiting on Montreal. Because Montreal traded out of this spot with L.A. L.A. moved back to this pick. It was Montreal's. It was originally Winnipeg's and it went to them in the Monaghan swap. Then Montreal moves up and sends it to L.A. There we are.

Sportsland is showing a graphic right now. The tallest forwards drafted since the 70s. And there's the turn on my boy. There's like Paige Thompson, 6-6. It's like, you're the tallest glute that's ever been taken in the first round. I'm honestly surprised. I'm surprised at how good the quality of that list is.

Like, there were four of those players, or three of those players of the four who were selected before turned out to be pretty good on NHL players. Where was Brian Boyle? Was he second rounder? Was he underrafted? It was, it was Marty Hansel. It was Nick Buk's dad.

And the other one, Marty McCarron was in there. And I forget who the other one was. Michael McCarr. Is it for, it was forwards only? Yeah, only forwards. Was Burns drafted as a Ford or a defenseman? No. He was a defense.

Defenseman. He moved. Yeah. In Minnesota. Yeah. We switched from forward to defense. Yeah. And Tage is amazing.

You know, that is that impressive, honestly. I don't know. Tate is. Sorry. No. I think Hansel. Hansel was a number two center for a long time. He was okay.

Coyote lover. He was good. Florisberg's good, too. too, right? Yeah, yeah. Bukstad. Bukstad's good. Bukstad's good.

Yeah, that's fine. We have 20 goals this year. So are we, are we kind of, we're circling around Green Tree? Is that who? Or a Basha?

Those are five. And let's not, hey, there's two more than Gagreary. Don't forget the mustard. All right, man. You know what I mean?

Just for us saying, the mustard. Just strictly for entertainment value. We need mustard. You can't rebuild without mustard. Yeah. Just want to give a, shout out to two players who I like, who I like for tomorrow, unless we're going to do that later.

Well, how about the Kings right now? Well, okay. Sure. I guess the pick is in. How about tomorrow you tell us what your tomorrow picks? Are we doing a show tomorrow? I hear you are, yes. Oh, that's great.

Gold forecast the third round. Yeah, I'll just say every pick will be E.J. Emory. And then none of them are. Let's go over 160. L.A., then Carolina, then Calgary, three picks away. Liam Green Tree to the Kings He gone back All right

Among the names Among the names still remaining On the consensus list Igor Shurneshav Teddy Stiga Andrew Bashah EJ Emory Nikita Ardamanov

And Emery I mentioned it Dino Like this was one of the rare draft eligible humans That Rhett Warner had heard of He must have like bumped into his father Or something It was wild

But he actually had some insight On the dream tonight too Yeah I was good Good. Yeah, I got to think there was a couple frames. But a guy that apparently has come leaps and bounds in this last year at the U.S. National Development Team program and not a lot of offense, stay at home guy, but big physical defenseman. All right. Do we all have a beverage?

Sorry, is anybody have any more on E.J. Emery? Everyone has a beverage? I do have a beverage. Okay. So somebody in the in the chat, Alberta, Matt says, why has nobody said anything about the Panthers winning the cup i think we should probably all salute our stanley cup champion florida panthers yeah those to that for just an unbelievable run to the championship here's to you guys a lot of pressure being canada's team too but they found away and i am eagerly anticipating the new matthew kachuchuch trophy all those can

statue outside the new dome in three years who can who who else saw that video of vetted and kachuk taking a guy's hat off like pouring beer and who else immediately had a who else immediately watching themselves, well, they, they learn those skills at Stampede. Good, good translation of skills. I don't know. That's true. Stampede would be probably the best training round for a cup celebration. If you can do 10 days.

That's why they go to the Stampede at Development Camp. That's what they're teaching them from early way. Those are sharp jerseys. The kids. They are good. That's a nice. They're good. They are big.

They made them a lot bigger. Like they kind of take up the bottom quarter of the jersey. It really does. Yeah. It's almost like you're a referee lying down or something. Yeah. One of Gold's sneaky, massive areas of knowledge, and everyone has these, like Pat Steinberg, for example, you can blindfold them and play any horn from all 32 rings.

I'll know exactly what you're in it is. But not only is a very unusual coyote lover, but Gold's takes on fashion and jerseys is impressively strong opinions on something that's. cyclical. I really enjoy watching tweet about fashion. We got a trade to announce. We have a trade to announce. Oh, here we go. Carolina per Frank Ceravale. Cains are trading this pick

to Chicago. Oh, wow. So, Fox will step up for the third time. They've already taken Boehvert and Loves Shunov. And Pinder mentioned the nice trajectory that E.J. Emery was on this year. Teddy Stiga's one of those guys

has also had a really good year. The Teddy Stiga just took a giant. I think folks were waiting to see, who outside of like the tippity top one or two guys at the national development program would really grab hold of it this year. Stiga is one of those guys that I think people saw between from October to March saw a huge amount of growth. So he might be someone we see if not at 28 very soon.

Yeah, I like Stiga a lot. I think in terms of the players, he's not a right defenseman, but in terms of the players who are available at this point in the draft, he's probably one of the best bets in turning into a top six forward just in terms of the way that he plays the game he can play center he can play on the wing he's just got all sorts of different tools in his arsenal he'd he'd be a great pick at 28 is there anyone who's not going to want to bolt back to the u.s in five years that's tough part is there anyone from lethbridge the thing with the thing with j emery is he plays for the u.s national development program but he's from he's from he's from he's a question the thing with he's j emery is he plays for the u.s national development program but he's from he's from he's from bc uh he's a dual citizen so there's really less of a thought there is his dad played in the cfl yeah that's right okay yeah milt stiga but uh nico milt's anyone milk segal that's a good line and

and uh and the and the and the and the and come on and Nikita out of manna plays at Cropito

and and no pike shut up it's my lap on my laughs here you're stepping on the laughs oh man Dean just turns off

his cameras I'm leaving on the high note I can't beat that good night everybody see you buddy oh man milt Stiga that's too bad

Oh, that's beautiful. I'm sorry, like, did you have something about a player or something? I mean, our, our, I mean, our, matter of man, I've basically played in the left bridge of Russia. So, I mean, the left bridge of Russia.

Pick them up. What is it, windy and the cheap booze? It's windy and they love wheat. Those are the, there it is. How would you possibly know that? Kent,

it's called being a professional. It's called doing the work in the off season. That's right. That sounds like bullshit. The Leifbridge of Russia, is that where Bob partly is coaching? If Dr. Beaker Honeydew can't do his research on the left bridge of Russia, he's not worthy of the program. Okay, Ryan, I've gone through the Mexican. Yeah.

So it's been the raspberry, the Mexican, and the Barnburner blonde. Yeah. Now it's the homegrown or back to the blonde. Or it's the dealer's choice. What are you feeling? I feel like if you hit all four in your first four. you're in a really good spot. Is it caffeine free?

It's not, I'm pretty sure it is, yeah. There was a small window where caffeinated beverages were allowed to have alcohol in this country. It was, not this country in Canada, it was quickly repealed and changed because people would not fall over and pass out. They just turned into zombies going till dawn. Remember, they were all pinneders. It was no good. They had to change. Yeah, they had to change the recipe of four locoeco.

It really changed the dynamics of Vegas trips. now the Panera bread just got the lemonade that kills you that's that's all that they got allegedly no um chicago chicago here fellas how long is this take for them to be competitive again i mean i think they'll be active in free agency it's a big market they've got badard now leveshunov not yet the top thing is that there we go another one uh yes yes i just don't know which forwards are going to sign with Chicago because, and it's not because they're undesirable, it's just because the good ones all

seem to kind of be gone already, because Gensel might be going back to Carolina from the sounds of it. Sounds like Florida's managing to keep Sam, right? Is that what you're hearing on Gensel? Well, that was, there's been a lot of talk today about Gensel, well, we don't know if he's going to accept it, but that Carolina has met his asking price.

So it's hard to say. But even then, most of the talks been on Vancouver for Gensel. A lot of talk in Vancouver. They get that deal done with Chicago the other day to get McKayev out of there. That opens up some cap space. It feels like they're moving heaven and earth to try to get him out there.

And then you get it. I mean, that would be a really sexy forward group if you put Gensel on there with the group they already have. I honestly don't know on it. Like you put Gensel there and it still to me kind of just feels like a team with two good forwards. What are you talking about? J.T. Miller, Elias Pedersen.

Oh, sorry. I thought you were talking about Chicago. Chicago. Yeah. Okay. That makes more sense. I thought you were still in my kind of town. No,

no, no, no. Phantom Cadry. How about that? Yeah, Vancouver. You love Chicago. Do you know they don't put ketchup on their hot dogs? Don't do it, Dean. It's true.

No. In Chicago, what? What could I possibly be setting myself up for? Mustard and those pickle spears. God, they take mustard at 28. Oh, that would be a reach. That would be a really wild reach. What that show ends.

immediately if they do that. Yeah. Good though. Are there reaches at this point? Like really? Yeah, that's the, that's the thing, right? Yeah. So flames are two picks away, two picks away. Come on, Chicago.

Let's get going here. Let's get caught. What do we got? Come on, Kyle. Aren't they just one pick away? Well, I mean, Chicago picks them. I see, I see what you mean. Chicago trades to get this pick.

Don't you know who you're taking? You traded to get it for Christ's sake. It's true. Kent, while you're here, I forget, did Tulski ever work for the network? Or do we get to claim it as an alum in front of offices or did he not really do that? Yeah, so when NHL

numbers was still a thing and publishing stuff, he came to me and we published his study on neutral zone work. So it's like, he was the one in him. I was like, yeah. So technically, yeah. Okay, okay. So yeah.

Climb them. That's awesome. Love it. Merrick Vanander. I don't know who that is. That's Vaneker, the guy who I like. Oh, yeah, sorry, Benaker. He's in that. How do you possibly know every player in this draft? That's impossible. He likes them all.

I don't. I only know. He likes them all. He didn't like that turn. He likes everyone else. I like, I like Vaneker. I mean,

it goes back to the production where you are far and away ahead of everybody else on your team. It's just, at this point, you can't pass up on that kind of value. But that's, that's a player who I would have liked for Calgary. Yeah, he's good.

82 points in 68 games, 36 goals. That's a pretty impressive offensive. So, yeah. And now the red team. is selecting. Amongst those remaining, everyone I mentioned before,

Igor Shornishav, Teddy Stiga, Andrew Basha, E.J. Emery, Ardamanov. Dark Horse for me is Alphonse Frige from Sweden, who feels like a very flamsy pick.

So is eventually dominant Padinka, who is a Czech who is playing in the Swedish league because he was really good in the Czech league and wanted some competition. I like that kind of...

There's Henry, there's Henry Mews, who is like a right, shot defenseman who scored 61 points in 65 games in the OHL this year right so and of course john mustered yeah and mustard and keep it on topic here dean what are we talking about mustered out of this group i think it'll be basha yeah it would be interesting local guy when was the last time they dropped to the calgary kid i've been off the top of my head i can't think i can tell i can tell you the last time that they picked a Calgary kid at 28

overall. It was more than Clemchuck. Do you know why I ran into it, the hotel when I was getting lunch? Yeah, he was in line behind me, getting sandwiches. He's going to, he might coach an NHL team one day. Yeah, he's well on his way. I was working the hockey Alberta

Challenger Cup or whatever a couple of years ago in Red Deer and he was, he was there and he's what, barely 30? Like, he's really, he's into the coaching thing, big time. And there's a big coaching conference actually at the actual hotel we're at, so it's a funny, how many people are running into it. You don't be unbelievable, though,

is if like 10, 12 years down the road, John Mustard is like one of the greatest centers. It's like Joe Newndyke, who is like one of the best centers that this franchise has ever had. Really setting them up for failure. All I know is if they get John Mustard in the second round, he's going to, like, we immediately have to get a jersey for Dean.

It would be like, guys, the fact. He was talking about mustard all night. All night. I'm talking about mustard to make a mustard jokes. I'm telling you, maybe he knew. As soon as Cole Eisenman was off the board, the fact I wouldn't stop talking about mustard. He would stop talking about mustard. Was he talking about the draft or was he hungry?

I don't know. Yeah, maybe both. But doesn't really matter. It would be both. Yeah, yeah. I am absolutely being selfish and pulling for the second son of a guy who owns a pub in Calgary to get drafted 28th overall by the flames because the Clemcham. because the Klim checks, my dad, I believe,

is the black swan down a cloud and it works in a garage and pub. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, dear. Ew. Milt Stigel. Stiga. Oh, dear.

Emery's there too. Okay. Amory. Where are we at? They're walking up? Give us the visual. Close. Or words, we'll just keep picking defense when it's fine.

I hope it's Emery. think that would be a good pick. No, I know you don't like him, Kent. No. I like the dissension in the ranks. This is good. No more defense. What if he was still there at 41?

There's a rule in the Flames-Aki where Craig is only allowed to acquire a defenseman of Russians. Or Bel-Russians. We're Bel-Russians. We need some boards here. Come on. Kyle. You can convert them.

interviewing a bunch of Flames fans on TV right now. really quickly. Do we have time for a quick chat or are they at the podium? Where are we at? I don't have visuals on this thing. Well, I mean, it depends how long do you talk. Yeah. Level of surprise, Oliver Shillington doesn't have a contract yet, around the horn. I'm pretty high. I thought this was going to be sewn up months ago. I thought it was

a beat, yeah, like an easy put. Six inches. I would give it an eight out of ten. I'm, I don't, I don't know. Very strange. Yeah. Six out of ten. Dean. I am surprised. because even stuff we were hearing kind of yeah it's going to get done there's

an appetite of both sides you hear that all the time still hearing it and it's not like there should be a huge discrepancy between term and dollar from both sides flames got all kinds of friggin money and how much can he really be you know it's not like he's looking for eight million dollars it seemed to be a deal that should be fairly easy to nail pretty automatic yeah and you want to play

20 plus minutes a night. Do you want to play? I mean, it's the opportunity is unbelievable for him there. But I don't know. Maybe they're playing hardball. Seems odd. You checked in on this situation today. What's the latest?

They're working at it. I mean, I think, again, we've discussed this in the past. There's a great deal of affection, I'd say, between player and club and vice versa, because of just how everything was handled. But I also think, like, I mean, what's, what, show me a comparable to his situation? He got Cozantino's top forwards available. And you know who's not there. There's no mustard.

All right. Craig's what he's talking about. He's going to put his hands and his hips, I'm sure. Oh, Todd, Todd went for the mic. Do the hokey pokey. Oh, he is going. Todd button.

By the way, we had on the show yesterday. Okay, from the Muskegon Lumberjacks. Oh, who is it? Oh, what? A winger. something. I don't know what the Russian winger.

Oh, sure of it. Griden. Griden. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right winger. Okay. I'll tell you what. You tune into this podcast for the guys that really know. Right winger. 30 gold, 83 points. That's not bad. Look at gold. Gold is like, what the age? Another Russian here, boys.

Yeah. What did I say? Sure. Why not? An actual right shot right winger? Is this a thing? We haven't seen this since Blair Jones. No, no. I'm pretty sure he's left-handed. Okay, well, he's listed his right-wired.

God damn it. He's left-handed. 38 goals, 83 points in the 60 games last year for the lumberjacks. And committed to the University of Michigan next year. It's not at all uncommon to see Russian wingers play their opposite sides. It's actually more uncommon to see them playing on their regular side. So this is really interesting.

I like that he's going to Michigan. You know, that's a good telltale sign if they're going to a good program. I don't know much about the player, but, you know, he's got good size and he's got good scoring. And in fairness, it's not really off the board.

I just couldn't friggin't hear his name. I'm across the room for him. You're so horned up to hear mustard's name. You didn't hear it. 21 on Central Stoddy for North America. I can't hear us. I don't know if anyone is fluent in Russian, but is it possible that

Griden is the Russian word for mustard? I will say, I will say, this is interesting, because I like, I liked Sasha Boehver a lot as a prospect, and I thought that he would be a good fit for the flames. Same team, and Grideen played one fewer game, scored two more goals, and scored 15 more points. And I believe

he is younger too. And he's a merchmere's number 92, which is a kick-ass number. I sure is. If I made a small tangent here, how many years we've been talking about, oh, the Russia effect, oh,

the flight risk, Russia this, Russia, that. Like, if you had just loaded up on Russians when everyone said not to, like,

how much better of a player have you gotten the whole way through? Like, that's been the market of efficiency. And we talked about it last week, Dean, like, the real challenge now is American kids at college

because they're not afraid to swing their leverage around. Yeah, the latest one, right? It's, it feels like that's the, that's the,

and not for everyone. team. But I'll tell you what, if Cutter Goce is ready to walk out on Philadelphia, no kidding. Who's safe? We talked about it. Are really willing to flex what muscle they have or they don't have and just push teams. And maybe it's credit to the teams that say, you know what, fine. If you're, if you're not, if you don't want to be here, we'll get you out of here. It's not necessarily because you're so talented. We have to respect your abilities.

But yeah, it does not feel like the flight risk to the KHL making so much more money, it does not seem like that's not all a concern. No, you would have had, you know, let's call it a 30% premium on every pick you'd made if you'd just gone Russians. Everyone was scared and in hindsight you shouldn't have been.

It's interesting. And people in chat, why didn't you trade down? You may not have been able to. Well, they just because. Yeah. Why doesn't every team trade up to 18 or wherever you see the ledges? Well, you can't.

There's a price and it's either making. sense or it's too expensive. Yeah, and he led his team in scoring. He didn't just lead his team in scoring. I believe he led the entire USHL in scoring last season. And another point, he did.

He's a Dan Milstein client. And the planes have a ton of Dan Milstein clients. I believe they lead the entire league. I think he's their tent. So let's just quickly. They get a group rate? Yeah. Yeah.

For like seven Russians? gets your eighth one free. Dan can't be the AGM here. He's already the age of him in Vancouver. That's the whole thing, right? Like they're not pulling the whole Vancouver tact because they had a bunch of guys there and now they don't.

So they trade to Foley, Sharon Govich, Bell Russian, he comes in. The Lind, the Zedorov deal was a Milstein client. He went the other way. Then they get the Lindholm deal done. Kuzmenko comes over. Is he a Milstein as well? But a Russian.

He is. He is. They get Grushnikov. Grushnikov comes over. There's another Russian. defenseman, Miramano of Russian defensemen. They had another Bel Russian somewhere there. Maybe it was Grishikovets to Beleroy.

I still love you. Like it's just all over the place. Russians, Bel Russians, Daniel Milstein clients. Guys, this is a little off topic and I don't mean to derail the conversation. But you know it'd be hilarious is if this video gets taken off of YouTube because there's some frigging

soccer game over Pike's shoulder it has like copyright infringement and this whole thing. Like we've been doing this for hours. Be monetized. I don't know. That's funny.

That's a nightmare. The chat really is not like, I can't edit that out. We just have to delete Dr. Beaker. The chat does not like the pick. I feel like I, I feel like I kind of set the talk because I couldn't hear Todd Button. And I think if we go back and listen to it, I do think Todd Button kind of fucking stumbled

over it. I think it's really interesting. I think it's really interesting. I like it. Led the USHL in scoring. That's not. No, that's really That's a good value pick.

I'm okay with it. Give us some intel on him. I know you've got a bunch of guides in front of here. He was, so fourth in the USA, Jell and goals, the three guys ahead of him were all older players, led the league in assists,

led the league in points. You know, he's not small. He's listed at 6-1-180, so there's some room to thicken him out. And, you know, I think the idea is if you're going to college, especially at a good program,

you're going to go there. You're going to learn the, you know, the nuances of the game. The cool thing is, you know, if you're, if you're looking for, like, if you're trying to bet on guys that bet on themselves, like his projection, it's not exactly the same as Idao Sunev, because Sunnev had, like, to be, lack of a better term, a much weirder journey.

Yeah, COVID-mast moved him around a bunch. And he had, like, the, I think the, the visa stuff were because of the situation in Russia, it became difficult for him. It's a whole other story. But Gridden came over two years ago. So he's already played in North America for two years. He's not someone that you have to play the flight risk card because he obviously wants to be here because he came over to pursue his dreams.

So, you know, it's, again, it feels pretty Flamesy right now. When you say Flamesy, what about it? What do you mean? Like, what traits about the player or the pick? Toolsy, see, you know, you're betting on ceiling. You're betting on the guy developing. And then, you know, you're taking guys with sort of different projections. But, I mean, if you just look at the, if you look at the two picks, I mean, if you're

someone going, oh, man, the flames never draft for offensive ceiling, they drafted the leading score in the OHL amongst defensemen. And they drafted leading score outright in the USA. You're making bets on guys that have scored at an elite rate is what you're talking about. And that's the guys that score a lot at the NHL tend to be guys that scored a lot at lower levels. And these are two guys that have scored a lot. There's no Hunter Smith here or Keegan Kahn-Zings. Oh, dare you.

Turn Kent's camera off. Big key. That's a five-minute timeout. Go to your room. Who did Dallas pick? Yeah, they were the draft is still going. Oh, Emil Hemming. Oh, Emil Hemming.

Yeah. Neil Hemming. Still low Basha. Yeah, maybe he'll, I mean. It's surprising, actually. It's actually not surprising to me. I think the players with this profile often fall, and it'll be interesting to see, especially.

Day 2? Yeah, I could see it. He's poised for a monster year, though, in medicine half, right? And to your point, do you know, like, he's going to be surrounded by two of the best players in junior hockey in the country, and Lindstrom and McKenna, who's going to be the, the god of the 2026 draft. Like, how much is him?

How is it a great place to develop? Probably. Yeah. And how many picks away are we from Calvary's next, Pike? Because they'll have the 9th pick in the second round. So yeah, you're just 10-11 picks away. This is the range where everyone's lists are quite

different. Like 20 to 45 would be wild variance team to team. All right. I'll jump in with some sweet musings from our friend Stephen Ellis from Daily Face Off. He had Greeden at 52. Again, this is the point of the draft where everyone's list are different. Quote, Greeden captured the USAHL scoring crown for 2324.

The University of Michigan product has the most multi-point efforts in the league this season two-way game needs to work, but he's been more engaged without the puck. The final few viewings I had compared to say the fall showcase. His offensive upside is interesting as long as he can keep putting up similar numbers in the NCAA. And I do think he'll be a top six threat with Wolverines. Maybe he'll be a nice pickup for someone in the second round. So a little bit earlier than he,

he suspected he'd be chosen, but you can definitely tell. There's stuff that he likes it. He's basically the second round. It's close to it. I just broke my heart. You just broke my heart. Mustard. Could have had mustard.

Mustards might be there. Where is mustard? Mustard might. I don't think mustard is necessarily like a guy who you would expect to see in the first round. With all due respect, I think there's a very good chance. You know what? No respect. He's going next.

He's going next. You're calling it or what? It's the Rangers. And what do we know about New York? They love their mustard. Deli sandwiches. Oh, hell yeah. Stack it high.

Cats is deli. We're going to get the pastrani sandwiches with some mustard or rye. Where are you at on the power rankings? Are you used to straight yellow mustard at the top? Are you a Dijon guy? Do you like the gray stuff? I don't do Dijon.

I know, Frenches. Give me Frenches. Yeah. What is honey mustard too. I don't like that. Philly at 32. Philly, good sandwich town. Mustard city for sure.

Mustards going tonight. We're getting some mustard. I'll give a free plug to the sandwich place. hotel. I've had two amazing sandwiches. And before I check out, it might go for a third. Do you go Dejan yellow or John? I went, they had like a

turkey sandwich with like a honey mustard it's phenomenal. I didn't have honey in there. What's the name of the sandwich place? Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh, I'm like I look at up. Yeah. It's got the Jewish deli vibes. Yeah. It's really nice. It kind of feels a bit like grumans in Calgary.

Yeah, I was going to say decor and the menu looks similar. Nails. Saganaws. Yeah, Saginaw. Coincidentally, you know, the flames got there. Same peri. Same peri. It's a cizabeth. Once you get Saginawes and mustard and parrick together. I don't know if we can wait till 41, boys.

I don't know if we can wait to 41. I mean, it's a long time to wait for months. We're certainly not podcasts until 41. We're up three to picks to go, boys. Call Betman. See if we just keep this thing rolling. We're having a hell of a good time. I got lots of people. Somebody just pointed out. has this number who ben i was i was going to say somebody pointed out to me uh matt coronado

draft year ush hl 85 points uh matt vaguelyt and 83 so you're saying he's the russian coronado and he's three inches tall and he's three inches tall eight i kind of like it i kind of like it i know nothing about him never seen him play but i really like it that's rangers at uh 30 ducks of 31 fly or The Ducks moved out to Toronto, Toronto 31, and the Flyers wrap around one at 32. We had to record a mock draft, and at that point, it was the day of game seven. We didn't know the outcome. We confidently told you it would be Philadelphia at 32nd because they owned Florida's pick, and the cup winner selects 32nd.

No mustard. No mustard to the Rangers. Oh, it's Emery, it's Emery. It's Emery. E.J. Emery. There you are close. So close. That's an interesting pick.

I like it for them. Well, you know, now that they're trading true, but they're going to need someone to come in. Yeah, honestly. That's interesting. And I'm not a lot of times you hear teams asking for no trade lists from their captains. Yeah. You know what?

Jury's been pretty ruthless. That was a bad playoff. Because I don't remember hearing anything about trade talk. It was, oh, their captain. He's punishing hitter, great leader, all of this as a bad playoff. We're going to need a list of teams. Yeah, we're done. We're done here.

You're getting out of here. I don't know. freaking captain one of the heaviest hitters in the league like tone setter in fairness in fairness he could be one of those guys that when it falls off it falls off in a hurry because just because you're a physical punishing player doesn't mean you're not sustaining damage too you talk to a lot of guys do you unfit off man i was i was concussed from half of the hits yeah i got people crawling behind me they don't want to do they don't want to disrupt this uh this this christ We are not a janky outfit. We're repeating. We're not. When Kyle Akoso won the Stanley Cup, my first thought was that hit that Deonf put him in the preseason, like 15 years ago.

Oh, way back in the day. That is Chris Naginley? Well, that was the same game where Theo Flurry scored in the shootout. That was... Christopher Gimson. Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, that was that long ago. That was the famous preseason. The famous preseason. I didn't realize we had Dion, Theo, overlap, but that one preseason

We sure did. Yeah, we sure did. You know, it's, it's, it's going to be really interesting to see what the, what the, what the, what the, what the, what the, what the second round holds. It's also interesting to see that when Conroy was at the Dan Milstein camp, uh, for, uh, for the Russian who went in the top five. Demadov. Demadov. Demadov. That's right. Right. Uh, he was it, he was at, you know, uh, but yeah, I was kind of, I was kind of, why is he scouting Demadov, but Matt Veigriden was there too. That's kind of, that's kind of interesting. So they would have gotten an extra book on him. He just was talking about him. So going to be interesting. I'm really

interested. I wonder if he'll be a development camp. Dude, they really, probably, I would argue the big legacy of Brad for living in terms of scouting development is he just added extra scouts in the USHL and NCAA and also the NAAHL. And so I don't, I don't know what more they would have learned about greed and they wouldn't have learned during the playing season. That's fair. That camp is really especially important for the guys

that were in Russia proper because they couldn't play internationally. Scouting has become particularly hard in Russia. You're trying to trust video versus your eyes. But yeah, if he's got other clients, he's going to bring them in, right? Yep, that's good points. Two picks to go. Toronto, are they heading up with our Boitre Living, who we saw at a steakhouse couple nights ago here.

Oh, yeah. Name drop. Yeah, there you go. I heard a story that I'm not going to repeat on the air that maybe laugh my ass off. It wasn't me. It wasn't you. I'm never going to speak ill of people who do not have the

I will say this. If the overrunner was on 0.5 drunk people and it wasn't Pinder, you would have got some premium. And I was stung up and I was stung up. The guy I was with was an absolute bucket of water. Pinder was just asking which way church was. They were overserved.

I'll say that. That was the report I got. And again, I was two drinks in, which for me, that's my resting blood alcohol content, so dead sober. The other guy was not. He had spent six hours in the sun drinking pails of liquor. He's a lot. He's a lot of a lot. Hey, guys, we should have it.

You know what? Because this was the originally Edmonton oiler pick, right? Oh, yeah. That they traded away. You're right. This was Henrique and then they traded him. The Henrique. Yes.

Just the not taking your, using your pick. and it sure paid off in the end. Cheers to you guys. Adam Henry sure was a guy that played some. You know what? I hope whoever this is, straight to the Hall of Fame. You know who it's going to be.

It's going to be muster. It's muster. It's not. Don't sleep on Toronto as a hot dog city. You can get smog dogs and street meat all over the place. Street vendors everywhere. Mustons are fit in Toronto. I got a bite.

Well, I almost. I almost wonder. This is an old bitty. He used to do our change. Remember there'd be a hot dog car across the street. And every time teen was rapping the show and he'd leave at 9. This guy would be open up to hot dog. He's like, no, it'd be great.

You'd be talking to people. He'd have regulars. Hey, Pike, you know what I'd be like? I'd be like the sweetest chef of hot dogs. Would you like a, uh, I have a good job in that too. I have a report. Okay. From, uh, from Craig Conroy.

I took the gold, so the Milstein camp. Yep. I said, you like Grideen at the Milstein camp, obviously. He says, loved them. When I was watching the USA program, he was great, high skill and a great shot, good size. And then he says, and Dan Milstein clients. But that's not a good enough there. There you go.

You love Russians and Milstein clients. Yeah, he's gotten some great deals on Milstein clients. and he's kind of been driven hard by other ones. Zadora was a tough one. But, you know, Miramano for a buck and a quarter for the next two years, there's no way that's not a steal, even if you're a number six, seven. Absolutely. And I think there's a good chance that he's more than that.

I agree. I think he looks like a third-year guy that might be able to run power play too at minimum. No, Mike's in love with him. Well, he's not a coyote yet. Hey, hey, hey. Ken, what was the most of the most of the other day? McKenzie Weeger Light? Yes, yeah.

Yes. Yeah. Gould loves him, so it's, we'll see. I like him. I think there's some of that. Ben Danford. Oh, no, no, but you love him. Oh, they took Ben Danford, eh?

Ben Danford to the Leafs. I don't know who that is. Ben Danford. Oh, they took Ben Danford, eh? Yes, Mike. That's literally what we just said. I don't do anything about him, but I'm sure he's good. The Danforth.

The Danforth's, their bloodlines in the sport go back. generations. Yeah. He called the game with his brother for a new 16 camp. Yeah, this is a bit of a a reach from the consensus for the Leafs. They did that last year too though

and it's it worked really well. They love the Cowan kid. Cowan, yeah, that worked out. Yeah, we'll see. Yeah, they're, who's their director of pro scouting? I think it's like Wes Clark or something. They, he really stuck his neck out,

for Cowan and it seems to have worked. So this will be interesting. I think there's a couple defenseman on that Oscewa team. There's another one named Luca Morelli, I think. And I think he maybe took away some of the offensive opportunities. Oh, yeah, very good. I know you.

He loves him too, yeah. He's a great player. If this guy's not getting pulled to the votes, I don't know what the heck's going on with these voters. This Machilli? All right. I was right. You harass other people about Machelli?

What's happening here? I talk to everybody. I got hurt. I don't. Oh, when I told Gould that I had Connor Ingram on my Mastering in ballot. He was over the moon. He's a good guy. He's a good guy. He was very good. I'll tell you this. We've got way too many people watching this thing right now. What are we? We're 530 people. Oh, holy. All in? All in. We're like 48 hun.

We're just. Holy moly. I guess he's a bunch of Facebook too. Yeah. And you know, you know what we have to say to this guys. Thank you. But make sure you like coming and subscribe. Because if you don't, if you don't like and subscribe often enough. RJ can't afford to fly home. You'll just stay great. Yeah. If you don't like comment and subscribe, they get to take turns kicking me. Actually, if you meet a certain, if you meet a certain threshold, then we will. Yeah, give us 2000. It works the opposite way. It's the opposite thing. Yeah, yeah. They each get to boot me. It's like the Bart versus Australia. You'll like this because the feed that I, hang on, Pike, Jesus Christ. The feed that I have is kind of like the producer. What

what do you call it's like the administrator so i'm looking down because i can see all of the it's like okay well we got this and that i'm like so what is what have we got one two three four five what are these five i just realized about five minutes ago there's five of us on this thing it's true yeah i'm like why are there what are all these can't correct what so all these people you were talking to that's the five there's five on there's five on the on the thing right that's correct yeah so how about that is that what the glasses is yeah yeah Yeah, that's right. That's our third sunglasses comment, Mike.

Are you okay over there? Hey, you know what? Hey, Mike, listen. Just get some. They sell them anywhere? It's really easy. Tomorrow morning? Right days.

Tomorrow morning when we're here for round two, you fire them on. And we'll go all day. I bought a pair of Oakley's the year before that I, or the summer before I went off to university. And I lost him on a bus the second day that I was in Ottawa. That's a tough hell, buddy. I haven't bought a fair I've got a good sunglasses since I'm pretty upset

Hey, Pike I know you're dying to get in I can tell you're itching Do you know? Here's a bit of trivia for you gentlemen Okay, okay how many How many flames that played NHL games or finished the NHL season with the club Is Dan Millson the age and four Seven

Seven no I think it's a five So you're saying the 23 man roster that they had at the end of the year Finish the team, finish the season with the NHL club. Yeah, Ahotia Kamiramana of Sharon Govich, Kuzmanko. There's got to be a... Slavia up at the end. Kuzmenko is actually Newport. He is not a...

He changed to Newport after the season. I believe he was still in this team client. This is unbelievable. Why do you know this? I wrote about it. Pinder, where have you been... What's what happening? What are we doing here?

I'm blown away by this. So the answer is seven, if you include Cusmanco, six if you don't. The other guy, the other, the other guy he represents is Ilya Nikolai of. Coming, coming soon, origin, malting, and brewing presents Mike Gold Lager available in four packs. This guy's caffeine free. This guy's up and cover. Look at this. This guy's a star in the making.

Oh, no. Seven little steam clients. Oh, God, the fire's done yet. I was going to say, how's that last pick coming? Yeah, seriously. what the hell is going. They're trying. We're not

stop. They were so upset that Matt Vey agreed and got to, they just had to go for somebody else. I don't know. Dino's got a good point. It's a mustard city. We're not dead yet. Yeah.

Let's go. There's an interesting comment that I'm seeing in the chat. Is Zane Perrek going to play next season? Yeah. Like in Calgary? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think so.

The Oilers are trading in. That's a go back to junior. Oilers have traded to up to pick 32. so they can pick in the first man. Hey, you know what? And the question for you, who is making the pick for? Yeah. So they don't have a.

Connor McDavid? Well, yeah, I guess the point being they don't have a GM at this point. That's quite interesting. Not that Jeff Jackson doesn't have plans in place. He hired the last coach, but he said he isn't going to be the GM. He's going to hire one. This is not typical course of business for NHL teams. They're trying to manifest the Stanley Cup in Eminton by picking 30 second overall.

No, I see the more. I'm not going to happen. Good luck with that. It's not going to happen. Not going to happen. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Well, the last, I think the last time the Oilers picked in the first round, they took Reed Schaefer, I want to say, and they ended up trading him to.

They want to Shafer again. I'm okay with that. In the Eckholm trade, the Reed Schaefer pick was not a very good pick. It was not. No. No. He was on a very good, I believe he was on the saddle Thunderbirds last year, a very good team that Lucas Siona was the captain of. But he was.

even then, like, their sixth or seventh best forward. So I don't know. Wow. Like he was behind Dylan Gunther, behind Brad Lambert. Tees was there. I would say he would probably a better player. So, yeah. And he was a healthy scratch for a lot of the season.

Putting your neck out there, right? No, probably. Yikes. Oh, Edmonton. Yeah, and they're doing something at the registry here. Well, you have to call their next pick then. Oh, man. Me?

This is tough because Edmonton could do, anything here. I have no idea. I will say, I will say, pick your favorite bust here. Could you a gold give us a lot? You know what? I'm going to say Ryder Ritchie just for fun. Oh, Edmonton. Pick your favorite bust.

Edmonton deserves a Richie. For Dean's sake, I hope it's not John Mustard. I hope it's mustard. That'd be fantastic. Mustard Edmonton? How dare you, Dean? That's the biggest turn code I've ever seen. I love them, but I'm not married to the pick.

I could, if Evanston wants them, they could have for sure. I'm not married to it. You're not. I know, I know it felt like I just need, as long as there's some connection. When, uh, when I hear John Lestered, I think 600 goals, 1,300 points. Yeah. Do it. So the Oilers, the Oilers have traded, uh, a conditional future first to get this pick.

That's something that could blow up in your face. All right. So they've been traded. Yeah. So it'll be top 20 protected or something. They haven't done that. They have to round one. Like what are we talking about?

Their first round pick either next year or the year after that for this. Wow, that has amazing blow up your face potential. Why would you do that? Because they're guaranteeing. It will be in the 30s. You're guaranteeing. But no, but you listen, you're guaranteeing that you get the lowest pick in the first round instead of taking a swing and maybe getting a higher one in the future.

I don't know. That doesn't make any sense. No, it doesn't. I hope they pick someone who's already been taken. We'll take Caden Lindstrom. They actually have a procedure for that. You just lose the pick. You don't get second chance.

It was like three hours ago, didn't you? What the hell? You don't have a GM. That's what that. See, that's what happens. You pick a guy who's already been drafted. Before the rules were more clearly defined, the flames drafted a player that they thought did not have a contract in with the, I think

was with the Red Wings at the time. He was a European player who left and was on loan for something. And yeah, they tried to draft a player who was already drafted under. That's in your book, isn't it? It is. Yeah. This guy here is dead. My question is, is this Ken Holland making one last gasp trade? Like, who is making this trade? No, he's not allowed. He's not there. Like, who is it? He's in Edmonton. He'd have to fax it in. It's got to be a terrible thing. Come on. Come on. From the London Knights. Sam O'Reilly. It's Sam O'Reilly. Interesting. He was below a point of game this year, but I think he rose because of a good playoff. 56 points in 68 games. Yeah, that's, of course, the younger brother of Ryan.

Yeah, very. Yeah. And the grandson of Terry O'Reilly, the famous brilliant. And his dad, a part of the. O'Reilly Auto parts. And the Flames will be back up at some point early tomorrow morning when the draft begins at 9.30 in the morning or 8.30 Pacific time where we are in this current state.

I will say, enjoy. If the Flames had made this pick at 28, I don't think I would have been very happy with it. So, yeah, it's, but hey, who knows? Okay, who would you have been happy with? I like Matt Veigreeden. I think he's great. Outside of Green,

what other pick would you have been like? Oh, damn, Craig. That's some nice work. I like DJ Emery. He went two picks later. I like Henry Mews. It looks fine. There's a bunch of guys.

There's guys who were on the board who I expected to go on the first round who are still there tomorrow. Yep. And we see this every year. I mean, last year, Lane Hudson going to the second round was surprising.

The year before that, Logan Stankov and going to the second round was surprising. There are always surprises. That was a good thing one. Don't mention Stan Cove and Around Pike, but it'll be, it'll be really interesting. There's lots and lots of good things. Or can't. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm amazed the Oilers made that trade to get that player. I mean, maybe he'll turn out, but I'm really surprised. Yeah, I'll be curious to hear exactly what the, like the fine print is on that deal, but to give up a future first for the absolute. last pick of the first round. Yeah.

The best you can do is is breaking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All you've done is just basically delay

the pleasure. Well, no, not even. It's the opposite. Yeah. It's the opposite. You have basically traded the future for the now, which is just a... Not the now.

No. And not even the now. That's the thing, right? No. Yeah. That's bad. I love it. Like even if...

Do we know where Pinder went? Yeah. I think he's... dead you're in the same room as him how are we supposed to know yeah i got headphones he just sort of like you're there you have headphones on yeah i got lights my face i got rj doing yeah i couldn't see i got my headphones on yeah you'll have to speak up i'm wearing a towel uh there's always a line oh dear well there you go um who did they take with their first pick again uh zane perak there you're

Perak. So we got the Saginaw Spirit, Zane Perrek, and the Muskegon Lumberjacks, Matt Veigreed. Pike, there's somebody in the chat asking if you're hammered,

and I will say, your face is now the same shade as your shirt. I may or may not, all I might, this might drink over in all that. Yeah. Yeah, oh dear.

You got a beer there, I think. Like, it just, how is he? I have no idea. Let's just, let's just talk about him. He's, uh,

He had to go take care of something. I don't know. Pretty amazing with that correct kid. How many people do you know? And it does, it means nothing necessarily towards translating the hockey skills. But how many guys graduate high school two years early? No.

There you go. Who's taking university courses at 15, 16 years? It's really impressive. It's a special kid. I don't know if it means 20 year old. Right. Like, I don't know if it means he's a good hockey player. But that's,

That's crazy stuff. Yeah. That is crazy stuff. It's really cool. So, you know, I guess just before we wrap, because we're not doing round two tomorrow. No. And July 1st, Frank Serra Valley Daily Faceoff, they're doing their thing. And some of us will reconvene on the second.

And I believe I'm part of the Western conference panel or the Western Canada panel for that show. For sure, you are. Oh, lucky guy. is there is there a name is there a prediction is there a chance the flames do nothing day one which doesn't mean they don't do anything in free agency but do they sit tight on day one kent what's your read it's it's de brusk or nothing on day one right yeah yeah i came in as as pender was like brow beating you and giving you guys shit about even thinking of weird so i didn't oh he's back we'll hear from him here shortly

okay i'm gonna tag you out then I think it's, I think it makes some sense, but we'll, we'll see. I think there is a very high level of interest. I think it, it, it, it's very, let's fight about it if it happens. Yeah, yeah. Which debate are we reigniting here from us? Debrusk.

Yeah. I, I, what is the player? Like, are we talking about a middle six winger? I think he's a second line winger. I think there's, I think he's a, I think, and, you know, it's, it's just, it's not, I see, I see, I see see everybody on this team with very few exceptions as a stopgap player. And the way that I look at this organization is the same as if you're trading Rasmus Anderson. The way that I would handle it is I would sign a player to a two, three year deal.

And then you keep trading until you have a prospect ready. And that's how I view Maggiapani. So you think you're going to get to Breska on a two, three year deal? It feels like he'd need more of a commitment than that. I think it'll be five. I think it'll be four if it happens. That's, that's, but, you know, that's. I just don't know what it accomplishes.

Like, can you be a second liner? Yes. I don't know if you necessarily have to accomplish. anything in terms of the on ice product right away. And I don't know if there's necessarily an immediate need. You're not saying, oh, the thing that's stopping this team from being competitive is we don't score enough goals like right now with the players who we have on our roster right now. That's not the equation.

You're not looking at trying to make the playoffs. I think it's just a matter of you have that guy who kind of exists as the benchmark. And if Coronado outplays him, great. And I don't, I just don't know. But I think in terms of, I think they'll go after a defenseman. I'm not sure who it'll be. Maybe it'll be Matt Dumbah or somebody of that ilk or maybe it will be something a little bit better. I think it'll be short.

And in terms of tomorrow, I like Jesse Polkinen. I like Justin Porier. I like Jeremy's brother. I like, that's a good big. There's a few other guys who I like Justin Pori. Oh, huge goal score. Five seven, but he scored 50 goals in the queue this year. That's something interesting.

I see glaring needs in this organization and middle six wing isn't one. Yeah, that's fine. Just to get back to it. DeBress could be fine and you could probably get them on a contractor. If it didn't work, you could move them. There's just so many things they need more than a second or third line winger. Like they don't have centers. They don't have enough top four defensemen.

But which center are you signing? They're not signing anybody they need in unrestrictory. Yeah, I think it's mostly just a signing. I think it's mostly just the signing to Phil Kemp. app space to be honest with you yeah in which case i'd rather take a contract off someone uh i think you can do both i agree i i think you can't do both you can't add another top nine winger if you get de bruskin here like no no i'm i'm not talking i'm i'm taking on a contract you don't necessarily have to take on a winger contract i i know but that's a defense contract or something else so many wingers like

good players go for almost nothing i was stunned by how do you feel about it yeah are you on board or Like I was to get a second for manjapani might be Craig Conroy's best deal. It might be. Like the fact that they got the fact that they got more for Mangipani than Zadorov is crazy to me. Much more like the third. I don't know what Washington's doing. We did the thing last night. It's insane.

It doesn't make any sense to me. It's a guy for a year for a lot of money, I guess. Too much money. And we see better wingers or comparable wingers making less money that are almost impossible to move. I mean, we saw what twice. last year, Anthony Bovillier got moved for a fifth. Yeah, but Bovilliers stinks. But so does man, Japan.

He's playing on the best checking line on the team. And the other wing are going 30. Like, what is man, Japan he good at now? I love the player. He had a great year a couple of years ago. He's hit 20 once in his life. What are we talking about here? Put your sunglasses on.

It's a good point. It's a good point. But no, there's, anyway, there are lots of good players tomorrow. And I think at, with their two second round picks, I think they can do something really interesting here. And I'm very excited to see what they can do. I'll tell you what. Aside from Ryan, this has been tremendous.

I've had a hell of a good. That's what it feels about most of our shows, to be fair. Yeah. I don't know what you guys do Monday to Friday at about 10.15, 1020. But if you've got some time in your hands. Ryan, run us through the sponsors. Run us through the sponsors and we'll call. Well, just a big shout out to the people that allow us to do this.

And we don't have more important sponsors than, Betway, McLeod Law and Village Honda. They're a crucial piece of us being able to do this. We also have their good pals at Origin Brewery out in Strathmore, now in Calgary at that new location in the Northeast that they've been supplying Dean the Venom to besmirch's co-host here. And on top of that, we also on today's show did our weekly mail inbox, I should say, the great clips inbox.

So we want to say thank you to them as well. It's been a heck of a time down here in Vegas, Dino. now we just have to see if this West Jet Mechanical Strike is real or if I'm going to go home. I was going to say, so now what happens? Yeah. Because essentially you're, you're dark, but tasks are done in Vegas, right? It's getting light when I go. Yeah.

I would suggest it's not a green light night for many of the NHL folk because of how early tomorrow start gets started and goes, but it is still Vegas. us out there, Dean. Yeah, what about for you? For you? Bottle service? Yeah, what about for you? You're not doing round two tomorrow. That's what I mean, yeah. Certainly not. I'm getting out of flight. I got to check in and see what time I need to do at the airport and work

backwards from there. If I can give myself a two-hour cushion between getting in and getting to the airport, that's probably enough, right? That sounds good. Adam wants to know as well. Can we end with some alligators? I got some crock stuff, but I didn't get to not the same. Jack. these two guys over

these two guys are awesome Kent Mike thanks for jumping on tonight that was awesome thank you fellas and we appreciate you and to everybody who jumped in on the on the stream tonight hope you enjoyed it we should probably do more of these things this was fun I'd do it anytime

as long as people want to hear me talk as we can drink that's right I got 10 more cans of this no disgusting All right. From all, from Vegas and points beyond. That'll do it.

See you, buddies. Thanks.